Ladies and gentlemen, the other day we drafted a team with Pat
Crane as part of his legendary Upside Anniversary mega stream.
And you know what left a poor taste in our mouth?
You know, we didn't really hit our marks.
We didn't really stick the landing and Pat.
Ben and I blame it on Mike Leone.
And tonight the three of us are gonna draft a good team without
Michael Leone. Pat Fryer, homo this.
Is why This is why I'm hot. Anita Hand.
Job exercise, Jamar. And also play chase.
You can't handle the heat. It looks like we're finally fist
boys. You're right.
Thanks, Leone. Thanks, Leone.
Ben. Gretch, Pat Kerrane, how you
guys doing? Doing good.
How you doing? Doing good, Gretch.
How about you? How did you not realize he just
did a cold open? Do you not know the music was
playing? Pete was talking.
What's going on with Gretch? That's.
What I'm saying I don't know what's happening with the
grudge. I can hear just now.
Crazy. I was sitting here, I flipped on
Twitter. I was in the room and I had my
Airpods in and they weren't hooked up to the Bluetooth.
I just started recently using the Airpods a few weeks back.
But there's there's the first time I've done that where I was
just got lost on Twitter and didn't realize we had started.
Wow. I mean, let's go.
Your your audio sounds worse than normal too.
I think it. Does I think it's connected
through the Airpods? Yeah, let's get that fixed too.
Yeah, it's not on my Yeti. Does that sound better?
That sounds better. There we go.
I was saying, what's up to you guys before the stream?
I made a joke no one feels. No one laugh at all I was.
Like, all right. Guess that kind of night.
Well, can I can I reveal why? This wasn't normal for me?
So normally I do wear headphones on the streams, but tonight I'm
rocking the new I love wide receiver bucket hat.
And the headphones are just like, don't don't really work on
it. So I'm going with a Bluetooth
speaker for my speakers. So I was fiddling with that.
Gretch didn't even know we were starting, and you were
apparently talking to yourself. I was and then I watched you
guys. But like Gretch was engaged with
obviously with Twitters, but he, but he didn't seem like he was
just like thinking like he was sort of just like.
I mean about a valid option. Not, not for me.
Yeah, we've been, we've been doing.
This show we've done this before.
I'm still haven't really figured it out.
Gretch, are you good now? You good.
I'm good. I mean, I yeah, I was on a
bachelor party this weekend. Maybe I'm still hungover from
that. Who knows.
But yeah, dude, I've been, I've been doing some traveling over
the last month. Good to be back in the lab.
No more trips planned. Last week I was in at a lake in
Washington for half the week with my wife's family, came back
home for one night, then flew out to Park City, UT for a
bachelor party for a three day weekend long, like 8 to 10 days
in the sun in both places, Played golf like four times,
like twice at both places. I'm like just getting my sleep
back. How?
But what everyone wants to know is how many more slow drafts did
you enter? How many fast drafts did you get
in on The Bachelor? Party about your life.
This is this is great. I only got 2 fast drafts.
One of them was from the airport to the house and I let my buddy
hold the phone and it was like a disaster.
I was like, dude, but people are gonna see my name in this draft.
Like, come on man. Like, give me the phone back.
Like this is bad. Not a good team.
I only did one more throughout the weekend.
We were just like going, going, going the whole time.
It's mountain biking, all sorts of crazy stuff.
And then at the very last day, literally at the airport, I was
like, I gotta get into some of these slows.
I haven't, like, been able to draft at all.
And so I entered 40. It wasn't really enough.
I should have had more. I mean that with the slow puppy,
like it's only like 5 bucks to fire on it.
I shouldn't. I need to I need to do that.
Probably just. I honestly should have done like
100, but whatever I got in 40. 40 Yeah, I think I only got in a
few of the fast puppies. It was interesting the fact that
because the the, the Pomeranian was that the one that filled
like within three hours and. It was old.
Because of slow drafters. For some reason I thought the
slow draft one would finish or would fill first just with
everyone like Max regging. I think it makes sense because
people would rather fast draft and then but like you know that
it's not going to like I would do the slow draft Pomeranians
because I was like I got to get the Pomeranians in and the only
way I'm going to get them all in is with slow drafts.
But if it's a fast draft only draft, I would attack that one
first. I think although I haven't, I've
got to do in either. So this is all hypothetical.
Yeah, the chat wants to know my DeMarcus Robinson exposure.
It is zero at the moment, but you know what?
It's gonna it's gonna tick up at some point.
The fast, funky, cold, right? I took Gretch today.
At the end of this My Soul cast best Ball Mania draft.
I took Cordero Patterson. So I.
Thought you're gonna say DeMarcus.
No, but my point was gonna be it took this long for your Cordero
Patterson take to finally hit for me.
That was your first one. I'll start taking to Marcus
Robinson with my wife. That was your first Cordero.
Maybe I took him one other time I have. 18% Cordero Patterson.
What could go wrong? I mean, that's just the 35
completed drafts from the last one, or 37 or whatever.
I have someone asked how many I'm on the clock in.
It's a lot of puppies, but we are on the clock and not many
right now. I gotta figure that out.
That's not too bad. This is this is a good one here,
Gretch, did you see the new Seattle uniform?
Here, they're very cool. Did you see these?
I saw Jackson, Smith and Jigba. They had a very cool video promo
here too that had the whole like 80s, early 90s vibe here with
JSN rolling up. Wow, that's cool.
The King Down. Oh, is that the Rain Man?
John Kemp? Oh, man.
These are better. These are definitely better.
Yeah, they're very fun. I just.
Switched the legs. I didn't see this.
I heard that he didn't know what a Walkman was before he did
this. They had to.
They had to tell him what a Walkman was.
Oh, no. Oh no.
Did you guys have walk, man? Did you actually?
Oh, no, I. Did.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, me too.
That was like in high school when I would listen to music
before my basketball games, I had like my disc man and like
the over the ear headphones. And everyone's like holding
there. They like, even in warm ups you
got like one hand doing like layups and you're holding your
diss, man. And the other one, yeah.
And then, and then there was. The It's been a rough day.
Danny didn't like the uniforms scored in.
Of course, of course he didn't. Good Lord, there's the the CD
Walkmans too, after a while. And those are that always skip.
Like, Oh yeah, those skip. Yeah, I had one of those too.
Yeah, well, what? It didn't CD's, man.
Not the best technology. What's crazy Magnova JSM was
born in 2002. That was literally the year that
I was listening to my dis man in the layup line before JV
basketball games. That JSM was born that same
year. Jesus. 2002 oh shit, Yeah.
Jsn's parents know what walk beds are.
That's that's where we are. Yeah, the the, the Bucks
Creamsicle ones are pretty solid too.
Did you guys see those the Chris?
God ones dude to JSN like an iPod is probably like an old man
device because he was probably like 7 when those were like
phased out basically. The.
Yeah, the other day Lauren, like, had had found like, one of
her really old iPod Shuffle somewhere.
Oh, she was cleaning out her car and she's like, do we need this
for any? I was like, I I don't think I
have a use case for an iPod shuffle for my.
Life. It's just a.
What about a CD? Like a version of a phone,
basically. My wife still has like, like, I
I mean, she doesn't have a ton of DVD's.
Maybe it's like 20, but she still has like 20 DVD's of like,
her favorite movies. I'm like, you're never.
We're never gonna watch these. We don't even have a DVD player.
I don't even think we have the capability of plugging this in
somewhere. Yeah.
What? Records are records are kind of
back there's like. Yeah.
That's still kind of a vintage thing.
Have you guys stabbed in that? Have you guys gotten a record
player or anything? Yeah, I did and I just.
It was What happened to me, Pat, is I start, I have an addictive
personality and I started buying a bunch of records and I was
like, this is gonna get expensive.
Records aren't cheap cuz I've kind of looked at maybe doing
this very thing and it's like they're not inexpensive.
They're. They're not.
I just cut myself off, especially if you're starting to
get and then you go down the rabbit hole, if you go vintage
shopping and you're going in a record store and it's like a
nice hobby but it's time consuming and.
Expensive. How much?
How much is? It like 1520 bucks a pop or
something. So nothing.
It's not crazy, but it's kind of just like a it's an inefficient
way to to get your music. But yeah.
Because I was also. Reading before like that's what
you should easiest to be like. That was crazy right back in
the. Yeah.
Apparently you're supposed to get your records in person
because it's like, it's better for like everybody involved, I
guess, like people that you know, people that own the
business that somehow better for the musicians, I'd heard.
But then also it's like a physical thing, so you want to
make sure it doesn't have scratches and all that stuff.
But I'm like, the only way I really want to do this is like
find some bulk record delivery thing where I can get them very
cheaper. You know what I mean?
But you know, whatever. Ned says Vinyl Market bubbled up
during COVID. Isn't that hilarious too?
Because this is Card Market. All those old school physical
hobbies came back because we just were all so desperate to do
something. Yeah, no, live sports had
nothing to do. Watched all the all the TV shows
that were available, watched them all in the first month and
then you're like, shit, what are we gonna do?
Yeah, I've had the 1:05 in a lot of drafts in this range and a
lot of drafts, and I feel like I've built really similar teams.
So I'm really interested in this draft slot with you guys.
Like, I want to know what you guys want to do on this.
It's not my favorite spot. I love it.
Well, I've really enjoyed it. Well, it might be if you guys
think. Farther.
Yeah, My favorite is 3 right now.
Well, when McCaffrey goes at three, that actually helps a
deep fit. Holy.
I love cup. Cup is.
I love taking cup. That's a ton of cups at five.
Yeah, really. God, I don't get much.
Couple 55 is a luxury for me. I.
Oh dude, I have so much cup. Oh my God, I have way too much
cup. I hope he stays healthy.
I'm checking that exposure next. The I did. 21% Cooper Cup right
now. Like, that's just the word I
draft. Not beautiful, man.
That's a beautiful thing. Yeah.
Feels very fortunate. Both my drafts this morning on
Best Ball breakfast with Pat and Sean started with Cooper Cup,
but those were from the three hole, both of them, because in
my drafts like he very rarely slips past four the.
So the reason I like this so much is Sean and I were talking
about our our last stealing bananas was about the late 1st,
early 2nd, that 108109 range. Through the early second round
is sort of like a big tier, but there is a difference between
the early part of the second round and the late part of the
second round. So the the later drafters lose
in the first round. But I do think or we think that
the you gain back some of that in the second round.
When you're at 5, sometimes you get a guy who belongs in that
one two turn to pair with a Cooper cup and it feels like a
cheat code to me. I don't want to throw out names
yet, but if we get an opportunity, I will name some
names. Well, I love that thinking.
Yeah, I mean, this is, if I can get a cup here, then yeah, Five
is my favorite spot because I think this is where you have a
chance to get a really strong second round pick, a lot
stronger than the Justin Jefferson drafter gets right in
the base drafter. And cup is, I mean at his
ceiling is can produce like those guys.
And then the third round, you can still get these running
backs that are especially right now, like I've been entered all
these slows. Breece is falling, Ramondre's
falling, Jacobs is falling. You can get all these guys at
305 all day. No one wants to take them.
Well, where are you? So I actually did bump Ramondre
down in my rankings with this four net thing.
I feel like the Patriots are telling us every way they can.
They don't want him to be what we want him to be.
So that actually that run out kind of sucked.
Yeah, that, that. Sounds for Barkley, but Taylor
Taylor's one of the big ones and then a lava is kind of the fall
back for me. Pollard is my fall back here.
Yeah, I would be, I would be Smith or or Pollard.
Say Quan gives you the the Week 17 Corps.
We we get to push him with the he might come back around.
I'm OK with Colin or Smith. Who do you want?
Grad Paul Arter's fine. Yeah, The Barkley.
Barkley's falling to at least the 2-3 turn in a lot of these.
And I don't know, like you read the quotes with his stuff and
he's talking about my leverage is holding out.
Really stick it to him. Like I do think he's going.
I don't think it's going to result in him not playing games,
but I do think he might draw this out enough to where the
market reacts to it and they get spooked by it.
I don't. I mean, I think they're gonna
react to it in the short term and then after like a week or
two weeks, the reaction stops and you're like that discount is
over. Like, what was the other?
One, you're trying to get the discount.
Right, yesterday we were. Talking from Andre.
There was somebody yesterday, you said you were letting him
fall for a week and then you like.
Works. Oh, briefs I let fall for a week
and then I know. And then you were like, screw
it, I'm gonna keep drafting it, which is sort of the way that
I'd end up reacting to. I think the market ends up
reacting that way too. They just get back to anchoring
to the price, like. And so there's like a small
window in my mind where you actually get these really
ridiculous prices. In my slows, I took a lot of
briefs, a lot of remondry and a lot of Jacobs at like 308309 cuz
I'm like there's not a lot of teams that have been built with
these guys here. And I do think they're not going
to stay back there and at least that would be my read on the way
the market will act over the next few weeks.
Yeah, it's just that I don't want to take him.
I don't want to take like Barkley here because they're
not. I'm not getting any discount.
In fact, I'm almost, yeah, reaching a little bit relative
to what is ADP will probably be, you know, this week, you know, I
think they're. But I am taking him in the third
round for sure. Yeah, I think they're all
talking a big game right now. It'll be interesting to see what
actually ends up happening, but. I I mean I guess I don't think
that they're actually all going to hold out on you know on these
deal like the the franchise tech guys are are getting an
opportunity to make a lot of money in one year relative to
like potential career earnings and all those things.
I know Jacobs has made some comments were like it's not
about him, it's about other guys that come after him.
I understand like all of that stuff but I mean.
They don't have a ton of earning power already, and to pass up 10
million even over just one year is like like who?
You like here? I like the running backs are
Andrews personally, but. Me too.
It's. I can go in Andrews for me.
I was gonna say let's do Andrews, I feel.
Like, yeah, we already took Pollard.
Yeah, I mean, today was about the worst possible day for
Ramondre in Breece Hall. The Dalvin Cook rumors heating
up for both. Then you have.
Leonard Fournette doing a tryout in New England and then you have
Breece Hall getting put on the public.
And again, I think none of that is going to meaningfully change
their like full season upside when it's all said and done.
But again to the same thing with Barkley, like cheaper prices are
coming on these guys. So I don't know, just like
people. Say so, I really have to say, I
mean if. Money if money signs with New
England, my argument in my. Like newsletter like where I
will make the argument like it couldn't be a better situation
like talent still matters Leonard Forman for Ramondre.
I mean it's not great it's it's obviously bad for Ramondre.
But relative to the way that the market will respond it almost
couldn't be a better situation to get Ramondre because we're
we're just talking I think last week Pat about how he was really
effective in some of the advanced rushing metrics Leonard
Fournette was bad like. Blow.
He had a decent success, right? He was his breakaway stuff,
yeah. He was said 40% success rate I
believe. I mean.
And his and his yards per hour run was solid as well.
That's why I have an issue with success rate, honestly, because
like, there's stuff like that was like, OK, but like I watched
the guy, he was fucking dust last year.
He was. Terrible.
Well, his rush yards over expected was was terrible.
I mean successfully measure different things right?
Success rate is like are you gaining?
One like 1/2 a yard more than expected on a given play, then
success. Are you gaining 40 yards on that
play? Also just success.
So it's going to reward guys who are reliable in certain ways but
don't have any explosion, which sums up for that pretty well.
I mean, he's never been explosive and now he's getting.
Older. I think he was reliable a couple
years ago. I think in 2023, pretty quickly
Belichick will be like, I have a good running back and I have a
bad running back and I'm going to play the good one.
And he's gone away from like. Wanting to use multiple backs
like I think the, you know a few years back he had the Ben Jarvis
Green Ellis role and the James White role and was tipping the
run pass stuff too much and and since then I think New England
has tried a little bit more to not tip their run pass with
their running back, whoever's on the field and Stevenson, like we
talked a little bit about how he wasn't great as a receiver but
he he's confident and I think they they would just leave him.
The yards per hour one was fine for Lenny last year.
He didn't fall off. It was he.
He was above his career high last year.
Right. But I don't think they would do
a. What I'm saying is I don't think
they would do like a room, Andres a lead rusher and then
Lenny's like the lead power maybe a third down back because
it tips that what their play call is like on 3rd and long.
They might do it, but they used to do it on like early downs too
and it would, it would tip to the defense what their play call
was based on basically the running back that was on the
field and they seemed to not care about that.
Gibbs falls all the way to year too geez.
Can we watch or should we get Watson?
Watson. Yeah, I'm good with Watson.
Gretch, are you tempted by the the Gibbs?
Just remember. The I'm tempted, I'm I've made a
I've had a few drafts where I've done 3 detours early because
I've been in spots like this, but I'm fine with Watson.
Right. I'm saying like in the slow
draft rooms, the 3D Tour is like, I do those all the time in
slow draft rooms. But you get, you get punished
with our, with our crew in here tonight.
Fair. Fair.
I don't think you know Lenny is not.
Very good. But I don't think he tips your
hand on the play call because he he's huge.
Like if you want to slam Lenny up the middle of the of the
line, like that's fine. That's the thing he does, like
he will run up the middle. Sure.
I'm saying I don't think they will have specific roles.
I agree. I don't think of specific roles.
And then I think it'll immediately be clear that
Ramondre is a superior player and he'll be on the field a lot
more like it'll be 8020 or 7030, enough that Ramondres.
But there's obviously not 90% workloads that running back,
snapshots are running back. It's not frequent.
He'll be 70%, Lenny will be 30% and we won't be that worried
about Ramon. Ronder will like be the clear
lead from a talent perspective. I just, I don't know.
That's the way I would see that playing.
That's why I said it. It's good.
It's not good from like a projection standpoint or
anything. Obviously there's concern Lenny
can do all this stuff. I just think like.
Part of the bet on Ramondre is he's good enough that Belichick
will lean into using him in a way that he doesn't always lean
into using his running backs. But he does sometimes when the
guys like demonstrably better than his other options, and I
think. This is basically the argument I
made for Ramondre when they signed James Robinson.
So I get what you're saying, right?
I just, I just think fournet like has enough left in the tank
and is it is annoying because he's like huge of the.
You want to do. I've been kind of wanting to get
a little bit more Christian Kirk, but I'm open to to other.
Ideas. Yeah, I'm going to get some
receivers. It's there.
Or just grab Godwin, which I I have so much.
Fucking Chris Godwin. I I'm ready to chill on my God.
I'm trying to. I'm trying to lower my exposure
on Godwin too. Like what I find annoying about
Fournette is that like he he is big.
He can handle short yardage stuff.
His success rate wasn't terrible last year, which would be
another thing like you only do need like half a yard more than
expected if you're at the goal line, you know, so that could be
an issue. He handles the dump off stuff
pretty well. Like he gets up to speed really
slowly, but like he's hard to bring down so you can kind of
like in those little dump offs where he starts rumbling.
He's not, he's not like horrendous.
So I just he strikes me as a potential thorn in the side of
another running back. In a way, they're like I'm.
Doing that generally. But I just feel like as far as
Ramondre is concerned, like, I think Dalvin Cook has enough
left in the tank that it could be an issue, right?
But like, Ramondre is just as big as Lenny.
He's everything you're saying. But younger and probably more
explosive at this point. I would say definitely more
explosive at this point. Ramondre.
Yeah. Then yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're not disagreeing with
that. I wouldn't.
No, no, no, no. Ramondre's way better than Lenny
right now. Like he definitely is, but it's
just like. They're talking about Ty
Montgomery. They're talking about signing
down with Cook. Then they bring in Leonard
Fournette for a workout, I mean. All of that is.
Considering what they want to do, believe them.
You know what I mean? I just.
Don't. That's where we've talked before
recently. About.
How one of the edges left in the market at this stage in fantasy
football is like running back talent, like actually betting
into the guy that can differentiate on the field to
where the coaches like, yeah, we gotta play the guy who's just
better. Like it's just obvious on
Sundays who the better player is.
And there are running backs that are better than other running
backs. As much as we say running back
doesn't matter and this and that, like some guys look more
explosive, yeah, it certainly matters.
And I know you're on this with me.
We've talked about this before. I think this is a great
application of it, like everything you're saying, I
think. Is relevant but that the market
will overplay it to the extent that I will then want to make a
bet on Ramondre. From a talent perspective, it's
basically what I'm saying. Like at 307 or whatever, I want
to bet on Ramondre's profile. Like I think his upside and all
I'm competing with is a Dusty Lenny and Ty Montgomery.
Like. I mean think about Ramondre's
case like. 3/03/07. Are you fucking kidding me?
That's that's incredible. He's a £227.00 back that can
catch. We're on the clock.
Michael Pittman. Mike Evans.
Tony Dotson. Gabe Davis.
George Pickens. The best wide receivers.
I think we go with one of the wide receivers.
I'm open, yeah. I'd probably go Evans in that.
With the I like Evans all right. Let's do Evans the.
Guy I'm trying to take more of going forward.
I wanted to hit this one because I thought this was like, so Dave
pulling up what ended up being a hindsight 2V2 for us.
I'm, I'm curious what you guys, Pollard and Watson, who we have
versus what could have been Devonta and Gibbs.
Thoughts. Devonta Gibbs, I think.
Yeah, yeah. Really.
I think I'm Pollard Watson. OK, I'm not really close.
I think it's really close that I.
Think it's close to. I think it's close.
To I just think Gibbs is reasonably close to Pollard.
I think it's I think I projected Gibbs from more points than
Pollard. Really.
I mean, I projected Zeke on Dallas, so that's a huge caveat
there. I did.
I haven't back-to-back like identical and actually in half I
have Pollard higher. I have this sorted by by full.
Yeah. And I pretended Zeke so that's
not. I mean that's yeah, if Zeke
doesn't sign up from Pollard's case is a lot higher.
The our team for the audio listeners, we mentioned that 2V2
we do have no quarterbacks. Tony Pollard at running back,
Cooper Cup, Christian Watson, Christian Kirk, Mike Evans at
wide receiver and Mark Andrews at tight end here.
I want to hit on Gibbs Noble Socks as I don't know what to
expect from him. I think he's a really
interesting conversation. But we're about up right now.
Yeah. Is that on, on trail?
On in this range? Are we still waiting for cheaper
prices than this? I mean, this is this might as
well be 95 in this room. Right in this room it's we're
getting a potentially at price unless he goes.
Burke's there. He goes, yeah, I mean, I'd be
down to take Sanders a huge ADP discount as our running back,
too. I think we could afford the
detour. I don't know if he's worth the
detour, but. The only other option is if you
want to take cooks and build out like you can get a DAC caller at
117 and play like the Dallas angle.
But I'd rather do that. I would be acres over Sanders,
so let's just go cooks. OK.
I would be if you want to do that, we could do acres with the
Cooper Cup thing. Yeah.
I think it's fine. Yeah, Gibbs, Gibbs, 12th overall
pick, obviously is a big element, right?
But I mean, I think when you when you do it from a projection
standpoint, he's one where I got really excited because DeAndre
Swift has had just absurd like targets per outrun receiving
volume. Some of that's probably skilled,
but a lot of that is probably the offense.
And Jared Goff and Mobile. You know in mobile quarterback
checks down throws to the receivers a lot or running backs
a lot. And then you look at Gibbs
profile. We've talked about it, Pat, and
I'll let you expand that more. But it mean it's just it's a
ridiculous running back receiving profile.
I know you emphasize yards per outrun.
It's something that I've picked up from you.
And when he was at what was a Georgia Tech his two years,
there were just like absurd running back yards per out run
numbers. Not as great in the SEC at
Alabama last year but still very, very good.
I mean he's like. An incredible on paper, money
back receiving profile going into and like very clearly one
for one replacing this DeAndre Swift role.
And they didn't use a 12th overall pick.
I mean, I know they spent a lot of money on Dave Montgomery.
They didn't use a 12th overall pick to not utilize Gibbs and
that's like his role. The clear part of his role is
the receiving side. It's like there's an obvious
opportunity for him to get. I mean, I project him as a
baseline for 81 targets and 61 catches.
Like there's a huge chunk there and the receiving stuff, even in
half PPR, is massive. You get more yards per catch,
you only get the half yards per reception, but more yards per
catch than yards per, you know, carry per rush attempt.
It's they're still worth more, those touches and he's an
explosive player. And then there's contingent
upside if something happens to David Montgomery or if he
somehow falls into 200 plus carries, I mean his ceiling.
Like, I think the Ceilings is close to, like is reasonably
close to Bijon's this year. Like, given his situation is
better. Like Bijon's situation.
For me, a little bit of a concern for a guy whose profile
is just absolutely incredible, obviously, but Gibbs steps into.
It for Bijon. They were an incredible rushing
offense last year. Hyper efficient on the ground.
So multiple backs, lack of overall volume, you know, a
little bit of a lack of passing. He's got a really good receiving
profile. But I think it's tough to, you
know, project him anywhere close to like Gibbs receiving numbers.
Obviously you project him for a lot more rushing.
But I think Algiers is going to get used.
I think, you know, Arthur Smith was content to I I I just might
know. Dommery's going to steal far
more work from Gibbs than Algiers from.
Dijon. Low value touches.
In that case, I think you know Dave Montgomery will take low
value touches from Gibbs. What about the goal line work?
I mean, that naturally goes to Montgomery.
Speak of the devil, Montgomery here is a pretty big smash.
Yeah, I'm into it. Sure.
Unless do you have any other options?
I don't want to lead the witnesses, but I don't.
No, no, I was, I was eyeing. Him.
Yeah. I mean Dallas.
Detroit makes sense. He's got contingent.
I mean everything. I'm talking about he he can
catch 60 balls too, especially if Gibbs were to get hurt.
It's a good running back situation.
It's one of the best running back situations in the league.
I'm not really trying to make a case that Dijon's is bad.
I just think that Gibbs from a from a contingent upside to
perspective if Montgomery went down or he had the like like
Swift has had a role with Detroit over the last couple
years that. Like two years ago was good
enough that last year we drafted him at the 1-2 term, right?
Yeah, that role was pretty valuable.
He was also a smash in the fourth round the year before,
right? Yeah, the 3rd, 4th.
I think we got him at the three fourth turn in that NFC draft.
That we. Yeah.
And we were. That was a.
Crush. Yeah, yeah.
And Gibbs could legit be better than Swift was in that role and
potentially to get more work than Swift did.
I obviously, you know, realize he's competing with David
Montgomery. It's more than Swift was
competing with. But they the lines, like always
seemed to not really trust with health and all of that.
And then they went out on the drafted Gibbs 12th overall.
And they're like, we're in love with this dude.
Like everything you hear about they fucking love him.
And they made that decision after they had Montgomery on the
roster. I mean.
I think with Gibbs, when you look at like guys that he like,
even if you. So I pulled up my profile of him
by comps, which are all pretty big stretches because he doesn't
really comp like anybody. And this is something JJ Zachary
has talked about with like there's haven't been that many
backs that have entered the lead that, that entered the league
that even look like Gibbs in recent years, which makes him
very difficult to kind of think through what are we going to do
with this pick here? Yeah.
So one thing to talk through, so as much as I said we might be
able to push DAC, I doubt Nez is going to pass on him at 17 and
110. I don't necessarily want to
reach for DAC. We also have a golf out later,
just tossing that out there though.
I feel like you made the bet on DAC, yeah?
That's what I'm saying. If you want DAC, you got to do
it. Now let's.
Just do it. Let's do it.
I think the other pick would be like Antonio Gibson.
I think we get a similar in the two V2 cents, a similar running
back on the way back, right? Yeah.
Yeah, Gibson or whatever, I think.
Also guys, we just the chat is just on fire wanting us to talk
about Denzel Mims to the Lions. So did.
That happen, yes. Let's finish up our relevant
Lions talk first. Let's tell Mims to the lions.
So my 3 statistical cops for Gibbs were Christian McCaffrey,
Kenneth Gainwell, and Rashad White which I feel like they're
just like vast like range of that is also like he doesn't
really conflict anybody. But even McCaffrey there like
McCaffrey came in AT2O2. Gibbs came in at 199.
McCaffrey didn't become McCaffrey until his second year
and I my guess is that the Lions would plan, especially given
that they signed Montgomery. But sort of plan to have Gibbs
in a parttime role? Bring him along.
Kind of feel out what? He can do on early downs.
You know he's he's a smaller back.
I mean he's not really like it's just a a natural concern for him
would be like can he actually run between the tackles.
The fact that they talk him up is he's not a running back is
not the best thing for his rookie year value like I would
like my running backs to play running back.
So they can get a ton of snaps and soak up all the touches.
Not that he won't have value, but I think if we're talking
about his ceiling outcomes, This is why I don't think his ceiling
is very close to Bijon's. Unless Montgomery gets hurt
because he's probably getting used in a specialty role
primarily. That was the point Bijon's gonna
it's contingent gives contingent upside is where the ceiling
really gets to that range. That was the case I was making
but you the the the the thing I would sort of disagree with on
the McCaffrey point is just like.
I mean, you sort of just said there's not really great comps
and then we're talking about like the specifics of how
McCaffrey got brought along like that's.
A But my Christian McCaffrey is a is a fucking superstar and
he's a good rusher. Yeah, it's just one situation
though with. Jonathan Stewart, like you know
that's like that's, I mean it is actually.
Pretty similar. Panthers could go back.
They wouldn't do that. They would use him full board
year one, I think Ron Rivera. Would do it.
I think he would. Do it.
OK, Well, I do donkey. Yeah.
So I want to make this big, but basically I think Gibbs
situation is entirely different than that.
I would take Penny here probably.
I don't know about you guys. Or Damian Harris.
I would take Penny or Harris or Herbert or Mitchell, to be
honest. So whoever you guys want.
I'm Penny but. Let's do Penny then.
We're all Penny, yeah. Penny, I am worried Penny's
going to fall because we're we're hearing like be reported.
It's one of those things where I like, I've been so annoyed by
like the reaction to these reports that are like so fucking
obvious, like Breece Halls, like we think he's going to play week
one and then it's like he's starting camp on the pup.
It's like, yeah, no fucking. Shit, he's has to take just like
a couple smart people pointing that out like.
I feel like Leone materially impacted the way DeAndre Hopkins
is viewed by coming out and writing a smart thread about
DeAndre Hopkins. Like, I mean, the market does
react, but the market's fucking fickle.
Like all it takes is somebody like Leone been like this is
dumb and then the market reacts back the other way.
So what you're saying is we need to tell Leonie to pump Penny's
bags after this? Yeah, we do need to get that.
There's gonna be some report on Penny not being a roster lock
because the Beats have been saying he hasn't been a roster
lock the whole. No, exactly.
That's. Already.
Existed, it already exists, but this is.
This whole week has been reports that already exists, getting
rereported and people being like.
Exactly. It's fickle.
The market does know best, as Joe points out, but the market
is so fickle. Like everybody wants to be ahead
of CLV. And I think overtime people are
going to learn to be a lot more chill about the ways that they
respond to this stuff as we move forward in a world where we play
basketball year round. But like right now everyone
wants to get out in front of everything.
And it's it's like. It's crazy like you will Pat.
Just you know give us an example of.
Yeah, well I wish I had a full screen for that one when Pat
just had his his freak out moment there.
All right, where we going here? Lock here.
Herbert does fall. I do like.
I do like Herbert a good bit. I'm fine with Jacoby Myers.
If you want to get a six wide receiver here, what do you guys
like? So what The penny plays the
Giants week. 16 We have Cup We could get a late Giants receiver
and get 1617 correlation, which makes me want to go running back
here. What's my.
I'm down for Herbert. Let's do Herbert.
I was like, waiting for you, Ben.
I was like, what? Are you talking about Wanda
Robinson for some reason? What's happening?
What I was going to say on the on the Gibbs thing and like not
to completely discount the McCaffrey point and I do think
that's a possibility. Part of the reason I'm so
excited about Gibbs is because I feel like he landed in the
perfect situation for his skills that he landed in the spot where
Deandra Swift was running. Tortoise Prot runs of 25% and
higher every year of his career so far and now he's gone.
There's this huge opening they took him 12th overall, way
higher than it like expected which like.
You know, 12th overall, 12th overall, but it's also 12th
overall when we thought he would go like maybe in the first
round, maybe he's getting mocked as the 31st pick of the first
round. You know, like, I mean it's like
it's super aggressive and they definitely want to use this guy.
And then in terms of like do the Detroit Lions, are they as a
team on a two year timeline where they're thinking, oh we
might bring him along for next year like the Panthers were, Ron
Rivera. I mean, yeah, like they were a
winning team. But like, I don't feel like they
were like, like the Lions are trying to win this year.
They're the favorite in the division.
They have not won the division in like 30 years.
They're gonna go like if they think Jamir Gibbs gives them the
best chance to play, to win, honestly, honestly think there's
possibilities that they would be running him out there and like
not even playing did David Montgomery much at times in
certain games, in certain environments where they just
kind of get carried away. And you have Gibbs running like
a 75% Snapshare because they think he gives them the best
chance in that environment. It's a fast-paced game or
whatever. Games like that, Yeah.
Yeah. So I so, I I mean they're.
They're they're in. Go for it mode.
I don't think they're gonna restrain his role.
I mean, they have been complimentary at David
Montgomery as well and they have such different skill sets.
And Montgomery I don't think is very good, but he does some
stuff like he's not, he's not complete dust or anything like
he's he does what he does, you know, and he runs between
cycles. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah. No, he's fine.
So, so I think it could be. Definitely like someone who caps
his Gibbs, his snap share for his rookie season and then I
would I would also just know like in my profile of them I
mentioned that at the time he was an early fifth round pick on
FFPC and going in the early 6th round on Underdog.
So we are paying a lot more for Gibbs post him going first round
post him landing in this perfect landing spot like we did have to
pay a premium for that new information.
How much of A premium like? Are we willing to pay on it
because? I'm willing to pay a premium for
that particular landing spot. I don't think there was a better
landing spot. I mean, I'm willing to pay a
premium, but I guess what I'm saying is like, you know, if he
gets a little more pricey than this, I.
Think I'll still be in? On the clock, this is a running
back zone as far as the best picks you got Jamal taking.
I like for She Rice. Here is a luxury 6th wide
receiver. We could do that.
I'm in all. Right.
Let's do that, I think. We're probably looking at a
quarterback with our next pick, so that's going to put us in the
Matthew Stafford, Jordan, Love range.
Those are the only stacking candidates we have with this
team so far. Otherwise we would need to build
out a back door. But we have deck, Yeah, yeah,
that's, I mean, that works. Stafford's a nice one.
Stafford works great with that. Long as we don't take Van
Jefferson. Oh, he's off the board.
Yes, when I had a Rashi Rice. What the hell?
What I was going to say about like, still being willing to
chase Gibbs up is just he reminds me of Alvin Kamara
leaning with the Saints and I feel like and maybe I'm pattern
matching a little bit, I missed on that.
I knew that was such a perfect landing spot for a running back
and I still kind of like made these hem and haws and excuses.
And I was like, ah, but his profile is not that great and
Gibbs profiles elite. It's a lead in exactly the way
that matters. He's an amazing receiving
running back, like one of the best receiving running back
profiles we've ever seen. Going into a spot where we know
there's going to be a ton of running back targets.
I mean, it feels like the Camaro thing and I shouldn't even have
any questions about the profile fit.
And they use the 12th overall draft capital on them.
It's like I I just, I don't want to make that mistake again.
That's crazy. What's crazy is Camaro is what,
a 13th round pick? Yeah, that year I.
Think we took him to the 12th of that if a PC league, but he was.
A mash late in the year and that's cuz they had three backs.
They brought an Adrian Peterson. They wound up cutting Peterson.
They still had Mark Ingram. They had three guys.
He was a third round draft pick. Different scenario, 2 back
system. As a rookie he he scored 19.7
PPR points per game. That's.
Crazy. It's crazy good.
Yeah.
So, like, you'd be psyched about that in like the third or fourth
round. Yeah, for sure.
Like psyched. I mean, yeah.
Yeah, I think, I think we probably should take Stafford
here. There's no guarantees these guys
come back around. We'll build out that that Rams
Giants game stack by kid to Marcus Robinson late the chat,
said Pete. Oh, The Jets on roll said
something about Pete. How do you feel about Gibbs?
We, me and Pat are definitely involved on debate mode.
How do you feel about? Him.
Everyone gets to listen to me fucking talk my bullshit about
these drafts all the time. This is this is a chance for you
guys to get off your your hot takes.
Here, well, and I mean, you're definitely keeping us on track
on the draft. I like.
I like Gibbs. I just like don't end up
selecting him a lot for like structural reasons there.
With this filming. You know I'm I'm about even with
the field 7.7%. I think I'm I'm content being
even with the field on Gibbs don't want to fade.
I don't want to be super over on him.
And it's like even it goes back to the thing about how the
market is now really pricing in the late season upside in the
same way, no more Garrett Wilson's in the 12th, JSN goes
in the 5th, no more Alvin Camarez in the 12th.
Jamir Gibbs goes in the fourth, like even what ETN as a rookie
was like a mid to late fifth round pick and now Gibbs is
going a full round ahead there and people were really excited
about ETN. So it is you are paying a
premium for the upside you're describing when I completely
agree it's there. But 12th overall pick is is
different than where ETN went and and Harris was going.
Is it even higher? ETN was the first round pick.
Like is it that? 22nd yeah.
Yeah, it's around 20 and I don't think there's any difference.
Every year we talk about the top 20.
I know, but it's a running back. It's like.
I think top 20 running backs different than outside the top
20 when people say there's like usually 21st round grades and
then it's a non premium pick basically when you get into 2223
to take him the opportunity cost of taking him at 12.
He was a hugely different. He was consensus that people
thought he was going to go late 1st.
The Lions reach for him. There's I mean.
I don't know that it feels like we should give him credit for
being first round pick. I'm not really willing to be
like he was the 12th overall pick and that changes my prior
on him. The fact that he was the first
round pick I think is important. Yeah.
All right, we're about to pick here at 164.
Our team so far Dak and Stafford at quarterback.
Running backs Tony Pauler, David Montgomery.
Rashad Penny Kalil Herbert are wide receivers.
Cup Watson. Kirk.
Mike Evans. Cooks.
Rashi Rice. Tight end.
Mark Andrews. Roshon.
A pretty big faller here. If you guys want to double up on
the Bears backfield, you could also grab Jaden Reed and see if
you could somehow, like, push Jordan Love.
Back and double up on the Eagles too.
I don't know. We could do.
I think I could do Spears on. The Bears but.
Spears is available too. Is a.
I don't mind Spears either, Gretch.
I would be Rochon over again. Well, or Spears, Yeah, that's
fine. I I couldn't.
I'm just trying to read the tea leaves there and grabbed Rochon.
I like that. Rochon A pretty big faller there
at 164. Yeah, screw it.
I think they can both have big, you know, big opportunities,
like big, big, big games, big situations, individual.
Ceilings. It's late enough to or if we get
something out of one of those guys, probably OK, yeah.
Real quick, I've been wanting to hit on this because we've been
getting questions about our high stakes managed leagues this
year. I promise we were going to have
an announcement for you guys soon.
We are working to get all of this sorted.
We are going to have high stakes drafts.
We are going to be streaming them.
We are going to be out in Vegas. We're just trying to get all of
our ducks in a row. But that announcement will be
very, very soon. So we'll we'll keep.
Ideally next Wednesday, right we're.
Trying to get you look at Chris's comment.
Ah ah ah back your right BBM 3 winner.
When did I say that? When you had your little spouse.
You read it differently than I did it, so I was like I thought
you were. Yeah, that's.
The go. Ahead, sorry.
Go ahead. No, I was gonna do more GIM
stuff, but. I was too.
Sam Sherman pointed out the cameras like 20 pounds heavier.
I was literally just talking about the fit, the player fit to
an offense that is like so good for pass catching running backs.
That's the key for me here is like some offenses are really
good for pass catching backs, some are not.
And if you catch 60 bowls, you are a fucking top 10 running
back period. Like that's just the way it
works. Like I don't care if it's half
PPR and I mean Gibbs has upside then to be explosive beyond that
anyway, yeah. My, my thing with Gibbs where
he's going that makes it a little tough and I I haven't,
I'm at 7.1%. So it's kind of interesting.
I have very similar to Pete. I have had him on a couple
higher stakes stuff too. So I'm actually quite happy
like, I like that I like being slightly underweight but like
have a couple of like bigger money teams on them and it's
like all right. I like my I'm basically even
with the field overall. So I I'll take that.
But it's not like his price isn't the price in a vacuum.
It's it's in a. Overall, go ahead with Let's
make. This I'm a three quarterback
slappy so I I do like love stacked up with Watson.
But I'm I'm open to other ideas too.
When are the three QB slappy thing start?
I'm in on that, by the way. That sounds great.
We could also do Hodgins zip, bring back.
On the Yeah, we're gonna have a ton of Giants options, though.
Too we can do the love thing, if you wanna do that as far as OK.
Have you always been a 3QB slappy though?
No. No, that's definitely new this
year. I really like having three
different stacks for the playoff weeks if I and if we don't have
a top 100 quarterback deck, Prescott at one O 1.
No, the ACK and Stafford isn't. You can certainly roll out A2QB
room with them based on the capital we spent, but it's not
also a QB room. That gives me a lot of warm
fuzzies about our upside through three specific Gauntlet
Tournaments. That's fair.
They're basically both pocket passers.
That's a little unfair to DAC, but he hasn't run quite as much.
Yeah, recently I was just going to say with with Gibbs, like
he's generally going at like the 3-4 turnish and maybe mid 4th in
some drafts. But he's doing that in an
environment where you can get like Saquon Barkley in the early
3rd and some drafts now Josh Jacobs in the third.
From Andre Stephenson could be in for sure. 3-4 turn pick.
Breece Hall's mid third. Like, you know you can get
Pollard's late second there. Henry late second like Jonathan
Taylor, mid to late second. Like there is a lot of running
back value this year. And to me, I'm like, let's be
picky about it. Let's not be greedy and go
running back value, running back value, Oh fuck, my structures
aren't working because I don't have enough firepower at the
other position, you know? So I have to be, I'm being a
little selective with Gibbs, maybe overly selective, but.
I may be in too. I want to.
Get a guy. I guess I'm 21% on him.
Like that's higher than I thought it would be, honest.
He's not a guy that I've been crazy crazy high on.
It might in my draft exposures. I'm high on him in like as a
player. Obviously I've talked about him
for an hour to. Me like.
I've been. I've been trying to get more
Josh Jacobs, actually. And I like that he's got this
holdout situation so I can get more of him because not that he
has like the perfect path to the legendary upside, but like he,
yeah, he's like, who's challenging this dude for
touches. Like he's gonna have all the
touches And I he's like. Good.
He came out running back three of my projections and I was
like, yeah, I gotta take some of him.
I gotta get more. Yeah, Yeah.
And and you're not worried about age?
He's young enough like. He's just, I'm like, I don't
have any questions. He's not like the most talented
guy of these dudes. But he's not far off like he
would he he was very good last year.
You know. And so when I'm looking at like
Ramondre versus him, like I'm probably picking nits on
Ramondre or Gibbs a little bit. But it's like it's because I
might literally be deciding between him and Josh Jacobs in
that draft. You know him and Breece Hall who
I think Brece Hall has the. Highest I'll take Jacobs over
him every day of the week. Yeah, yeah, I'll take, yeah, I I
my my phone gives the the opportunity costs for most of
the time where he's going is a lot different than most of the
time where where Jacobs is going.
But that's not necessarily going to be true with the falling and
stuff. So that that is like you know
with the other running backs falling but so that that is a
fair point. We need with.
With these last two picks, we need at least one more wide
receiver, at least one more tight end, and then have some
flexibility with the other. Pick there tight end might make
sense here because I love Mayor Lake but he has a week 13 by and
so you wouldn't have Andrews. You can't do that.
Well, we could grab the giant because we have 10 seconds,
Slayton. You want Slayton or Hyatt?
I would be Slayton. What do you go?
I think I'd be Hyatt with this group because we're strong.
OK. I'm cool.
We got like Cooks and Evans and Kirk like we're.
We're not worried about targets early on.
Yeah, that's good for the men. So I like a lot of these guys,
these these Titans. You were saying you like mayor
the most, but you don't. Like, I like mayor significantly
more than most of these guys normally.
But I'm glad. I'm glad we didn't take a.
You guys ever take this swing on Ferguson?
He does add out, because that's why I was.
Yeah, I was kind of hinting that.
We can grab them. We could describe Ferguson.
Yeah, that's that's the move. The move was to take a wide
receiver and get Ferguson. The one other, like if you're
trying to dial up game stacks, like a move that I sometimes
would do here, would do Musgrave with love and then grab like a
Ty Chandler bring back. Oh, we have. 17.
Yeah, that's viable with Andrews.
I like taking Ferguson or Musgrave, like we're banking on
Andrews already. Musgrave.
Does Musgrave goes? Paul I don't really take
Musgrave, man. It's kind of, I don't know,
Tucker Craft seems like just as good of a prospect.
To me, Ferguson goes one pic ahead of us.
We got to pick another tie that yeah, oh man, Conklin is like a
viable like, yeah. One might, as always, take
Conklin. He's fine.
Yeah, yeah, that's fine, Ferguson.
Or Hunter Henry is a viable sandal unto me too I'd take too
much of. Him.
I could do Parker and then Henry and do like a little Patriots
thing. You're now Parker over Thornton,
Pat. Oh, I didn't see that Thornton
was available. We could have taken Thornton.
Well, you got him. Whoa, good move.
That was really quick. That was insane.
As someone who just streams 7 drafts and tried that several
times, and every time I tried it, nimble fingers.
That was the craziest thing I've ever seen.
Too much practice, Too much practice.
That was amazing. Now Henry's 100% going, so we
like, who are we taking? Logan Thomas.
Everyone's going. Four tight ends.
They know you. Can always take like K dot and
or something. You can't really get locked out.
It's it's basically impossible to get boxed out at tight end.
You can also just take Mayor and eat the week 13 by and Mayor
might yeah be a fucking smash in the 18th and who cares?
Like that. That's a good point.
Like, Oh no Week 13 by. Have become more of a bye.
We pro Denny's had a really rough week.
He the Frisbee. The frisbee miss came up on
stream. Is that why that was starting
to? That's why that yeah, that's why
that came back around cuz the interception cuz I floated the
theory that Denny threw an interception last summer in the
flag football game to bury the Frisbee situation, which was
worse because the Frisbee situation, you had a perfect
throw and then he missed it. That was in such a good throw
from So fucking from SO. Far and it was.
It was beautiful. It just had.
It's a great throw, man. I recommend people it's
resurfaced on Twitter. Go check it out.
I don't want to see that again. I haven't seen it.
Yeah, we should. We should pull it up.
He should. You should just.
Yeah, we could pull it up after. We gotta watch that.
But then then Denny through the interception, and I think he may
have done that to cover it up, then he came out and saying he
didn't like, I think you should leave.
Apparently he's on Seahawks uniform, so it's been a rough
week. But with that in mind, I do want
to give Denny credit for another amazing video where he did the
best ball, the bye week, the bye week, best ball pros reviewing
your team. It's incredible work.
It's incredible. Work.
It's so good I I've been working on my script for Best Ball Bros
2023. I have another video I need to
get out first, but there's so much fodder to work with.
This. Year did you like, How shocked
are you? You cuz you probably more fodder
than ever, like there's so many more terms.
They're they're gonna be almost entirely new characters too.
Like, there's a whole new genre of best ball bro characters to
do. By the way, the some of the best
ball bro stuff is like aged pretty well, like with their
takes of aged pretty well. So I think so.
I think this is probably Henry, right?
Because we took, I think. Henry or Mayor, how much you
care about the Bible? I would rather be mayor and eat
the bye week and just. I think Henry's objectively a
better pick than mayor. OK.
All right, then. Let's go, Henry.
It is funny because I with the best ball bro like cuz I have
that as the intro you know for my my streams and I keep
thinking like I need to like these are gonna feel really
dated but a lot of the jokes kind of hold up because.
I feel like we a lot of the stuff we were like that was on
the bleeding edge last year or whatever is now just like what
everyone talks about this year. So it actually got a year ahead
of it. With right with the.
Joke. So now I can get the the 2024
ones recorded now. Exactly.
Yeah. There's one that's like it's
it's something like, I can't, you know, the Davis Zachary,
it's. Tyler Algier bring back.
But the way you do it is like, I can't really get on board with
Eckert's without the Tyler Algier bring back, which is so
perfect because Algier is the one who's smashed.
So like, not having the bring back was a problem.
Like the best phone Pro is, right.
Like you should have the bring back man.
It's so good. All right, this team is in the
books. 3582 Build Dak, Matthew Stafford, Jordan Lovett,
Quarterback running backs Tony Pollard, David Montgomery,
Rashad Penny Khalil Herbert, Roshan Johnson, wide receivers
Cooper Cup, Christian Watson, Christian Kirk, Mike Evans,
Brandon Cooks, Rashi Rice, Jalen Hyatt, Taekwon, Thornton,
Titans, Mark Andrews and Hunter Henry.
Feels like a solid squad to me, fellas.
Is our running back situation good enough?
We've done this before but. Oh, I might think, Bill, should
we have taken a 6th? No.
Oh, David Montgomery actually is a really nice pick on this team.
I didn't realize we had Montgomery because I'd never
taken, but that's. Also, when we do like a Herbert
Rochon type thing, to me that also makes me want to take less
running backs because I'm like I'm just like hitting for a
single. My other picks are smashes now I
know that. And I just need someone, one of
those two to kind of fill in, do a little thing and and that 6th
is better spent somewhere else. Yeah.
You know, what we're really trying to do is just recreate,
you know, Pat's team, right? Because we got the three
quarterbacks. I guess we don't have the double
anchor RB. We do have the two running backs
from the same backfield. We got Mike Evans instead of God
when Taekwon Thornton again. One elite tight end in one punt
scratch off. I mean there's a there's a some
of the fingers. You have Hunter Henry.
Oh, no, that's. So Mikey.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Who was playing? Wait, you had Mike Issicky and
you still hate him? You always hated him.
That's the only guy from your winning team that you didn't
magically start liking. You still hate Mike Issicky.
And Tyquin Thornton. I still don't magically like
that much. Although I'm OK with him.
I'm OK. And I probably, to be honest, I
probably wouldn't like him and I'm OK with him.
So yeah, no, Gazicky is the one. And Gazicky scored a touchdown
in Week 17 and would have. I would have been fine with him
in my lineup instead of Kiddo. So.
He came through. And I said.
It's I I didn't want to pass on the.
I mean Thornton at 197 is really nice.
The other thing though I think we could have justified was
doing Chandler, Ty Chandler as the 6th running back to as like
a little bring back with the love Watson stuff if we did want
to go for that 6th running back. I think that's sacrificing
structure a bit for the correlation.
Pete, you don't. Need the five receivers in this
room? You could get away with it, but
I just think Thornton is a much stronger pick with this wide
receiver room. Then I just don't think we need
Chandler. I'm always trying to break ties
to like, you know, like Thornton is pretty easy to see how he has
a spike week and the right week. You don't have to sell me on
Thornton. It's more just the, you know, if
we get Love and Watson going crazy in Week 17, it would be
nice to have a Minnesota piece. For sure, Yeah.
It's just like who's Thornton is.
If he's not health, if he's healthy, he's not gonna be dead
roster spot. Chandler, we don't need the
running back in like he's got pretty high dead roster spot
odds, I think. Yeah, I I mean you and I talked
about this a little bit this morning too with the same
dynamic with Chase Brown and Trevion Williams too, where it's
like Thai Chandler Nuggets drafted in 100% of these and
like it still could be McBride, you know in in 17.
That honestly, this sounds nuts, but it could be Kenne and Wang
Wu like it honestly could. Is there starting kick returner?
He's fucking fast. We'd never really seen Ty
Chandler do anything. Well, there.
Could be Kareem Hunt? And Wong Wu wasn't heavily used
in college. Either.
No, he wasn't at all. But he's really fast and he's
never. Wanted 61 carries in a or more
than 64 offensive touches in a college season.
But guess what, Ben? It's called having tread on the
tires, dude. I mean, there's a reason that
Taylor got, you know, a lot more work than that in college.
I'm just saying, you know, we just, we don't, we really don't
know with that backfield so. Do you know what?
What was nice about this team? Is generally like if we're in
our crazy piss boy rooms, you're having to reach for the wide
receivers, but then you get pretty good running back value.
We got pretty nice running back value.
Montgomery, a full round after a DP penny, a full round after a
DP Herbert 1/2 round, Roshon a full round.
And then you look at our wide receiver selections.
Kirk was after a DP, Evans at a DPI.
Guess Cooks was just a teeny reach there at the wide receiver
Cliff. But otherwise we didn't actually
have to get too ahead on anything other than really the
DAC pick. We were.
And I like that we went coach. Receivers coach we didn't love.
Yeah, yeah, I did too. Because we had, we had our like
let's snap some, let's snap some value out of the room at running
back and instead of getting it with Sanders, we got it with
Montgomery. And I think that fit what end up
happened with the room quite a bit better.
But like Kirk and Watson were both picks, I don't think any of
us were jumping over the moon for.
But also we're pretty like. By ADP, where I think when we
were picking, we're sort of in their own tier, like 5 picks
ahead of the other receivers. And it's like, all right, well,
let's just take the guy. That's a decent value.
Yeah, yeah. Who did people want?
Some people wanted to get sauce Tier Rhine, Joe Burr and Jimmy
GI mean Jimmy G. My God.
So you got 1 1/2 quarterbacks. We're off to a good start.
That's yeah, anytime you can reach for the Chiefs 4th running
back too. That's a good start.
Look at is this the All Leone team?
Josh Jacobs, James Connor, Jarek consented Jamal Williams.
Those guys were all very relevant five years ago.
I do like your wide receivers, so it's nice that you got.
I'm super distracted, Sam. Sure.
Sam sure was talking about Travis Homer in the chat, and
I'm just like Travis Homer. What?
Wait, did someone? What?
Travis Homer. No, he's saying that Roshan
Johnson's gonna be a healthy scratch for Travis.
Homer. I've made this case on the pod
with Leonie that Homer does play a lot of special.
Because when I went, does he? No.
Yeah. And they gave them a decent
contract. They are gonna play them, but I
think they're gonna just have 4 running backs active.
They're not gonna deactivate Rochon here.
Hey Ryan, your team's less interesting than Travis Homer.
Sorry. No Both Socks wants a little
sauce. Watson, Russell Wilson, Purdy.
Wish I could make fun of you for going 3 quarterbacks with these
two, but then that's just what we did.
Mix in acres, Brian Robinson. Ford Moster.
That's the most boring running back room I've ever.
It's so boring I've been in on You can't makers, but that's
those are just fucking boring players like have someone fun,
live a little, like like enjoy your life a little bit.
Objectively, Jerome Ford is your most fun player and I could not
pick him out of a lineup, right? I had no idea what he.
Looks like I don't know what he looks like.
And he's by far your most fun player in your running back
room. No, no, both Socks did say in
the chat and it's fun to look at this.
So he was sweating the Conklin. So we had Conklin right there
until the last second with Taekwon Thorn because he really
wanted Conklin as his Deshaun Watson stack bring back.
So glad we could facilitate that for you there.
I like that. That's.
Ryan is Ryan saying We tie spiced him.
We went a little too strong there.
Sorry. Right.
Oh, sorry. Yeah, you know.
That's what. What do they say?
You can't handle the sauce, right?
That's more sauce and I was looking more, honestly.
By the way, I'd be remiss if I didn't say we do have our new
Piss Boy merge in the in the store now.
I got those links in the description.
We got this in the tank too, if you guys want it in something
else, if you want T-shirts or whatever.
A piss boy bucket hat really does.
Sort of. I mean.
It's great. It's evocative.
It's an evocative move. I think I might become a bucket
hat guy and it just really it it dawned on us too when I was I
think it was on lulls with Brian and you have the draft capital
buckets and you're like you're if you win bucket one for wide
receivers. So you're the the piss point
bucket one bucket hat really all came.
Together, I just thought it was, you know, kind of covered you if
someone's pissing all over your head.
Yeah, that too. That too.
Piss girl merch. This is, this is gender neutral.
Stephanie. This is also piss women here.
There's nothing on this hat that signifies where this piss is
coming from. Could be we.
We thought this through. We we.
Could be girl on girl, it could be girl on boy, It could be boy
on girl. It could be anything.
Whoever wants to piss, piss away.
Girl on girl piss, that's where we're at.
That is part of this. Yeah, his individuals.
Don't Google that, but Google the frisbee throw.
That's what we gotta check out before we go.
Gender fluid, There you go. Thank you.
I think gender fluid is the winner.
If we could do a little behind the curtain here, Gretchen Pat
will attest. We've been working.
On this merch design for like literally two months, there's
been lots of back and forth with our designer.
There's been lots of storyboarding and creative
ideation with this. And basically the main thing is,
is no one actually wants to wear merch that explicitly shows
someone pissing, but yet you also want to be true to the piss
individual brand. I'm happy with how this came out
after months of work. I am too.
I mean the wide. Receiver we were like.
You know the we want the wide receiver to be.
It's sort of if you know you know sort of situation where is
it a cool WAVY pattern that we picked maybe.
Is it literally written in piss. Yes it is that is that is what
we're going. For.
Duke. A little bit viscous.
At the end of the day, but you. Know we did.
We talked viscosity we. Talked a lot about viscosity.
Viscosity was actually was actually discussed.
There was a point to where like I was sending back mockups to
Gretchen Pat and like you guys are writing these really long
paragraphs. So they were very thoughtful and
I was like I have to go back to my designer and ask for more
Viscosity like. Less viscosity.
Oh my good, Duke says. If he finishes top ten and BBM,
I'll buy the whole collection. I'll hold you up on this because
I use a drop shipper and they have a warehouse full of these.
So buying these forever because I don't know if it's possible
for them to run out. So I'm going to hold you up on.
That Oh my goodness here, sorry about.
Your waiting. Get the Frisbee up.
Let's. I want to Yeah, Yeah.
Let's do that. So to give back story to this,
this was, I think this was 2 summers ago.
We'd on Cape Cod, a few of us got a place for the weekend, Pat
Thorman, Denny, John Daigle Reeves.
And it was on like a like a bluff that overlooked the beach.
And so we were down at the beach, but then we were up at
our place and Denny was down there and we had decided like
I'd just done the randomizer frisbee.
So I had those. And I was like we should you
know throw the frisbee off there and and see if we can catch it
and and that should set it up. Let me see if I can find this in
my mentions where this was. And people do comment on the
quality of the video. There were some like very grainy
versions of this but Rich has a good version here.
Here we go, Denny's my wide receiver.
This is amazing. This is.
There's so many. There's just like a man of
people in chairs you could have had.
There's so much risk here. Jogging.
Come on. Alright, we're about to attempt
a long distance throw to my wide receiver. 1 Denny Carter.
Here. He's down here.
This can only and badly. We got a little tailwind.
Here we go. Ready, Denny?
I mean, what a throw. Hell of a throw.
Oh, that might, actually. Work.
That might actually work? Oh no.
No. Why is this?
No, come on. Yes, Yes, Daddy.
Daddy ohh, he's in the drink so good.
Yes, yes. Daddy die oh.
No, he's in the drink. I will never have a throw that
good of my life. It was just right there.
Oh dude. And I mean almost.
Not to knock the randomizer merch, but I wouldn't play with
that frisbee with my kids in the wind and it was so hard to to
throw it we had to go buy one of the the more heavy duty frisbees
to. All the merch just got knocked.
I'm not so. I don't know how.
I'm just saying like to throw that Frisbee that far is oh man.
It's a little bit of a lighter duty frisbee.
You can see it. And for for Big time Prison.
I like how you just went from you about to throw it to Denny
in the water ZAP. I will say I I hate to do this
because Denny's had such a rough week with some of these bad
tanks, but in Denny's defense, there was a ton of these little
like rock croppings out. Yeah, he talked about the rocks,
how he couldn't die because of the rocks, but look how close.
He was. Come on.
But but look so OK, so he's he's by this little cropping of rock
or whatever it is he was. It's the second time he's by
that. So he he misjudged the arc.
The other thing to not underestimate is like how far
like Denny came to like get to the spot, like right at the
beginning of the video like. That's a lot.
That's a. That's a run.
It's a. Long Run in the sand, yeah, if
he sells out for it in that regard, for sure.
It's just, man, you sell out that once you get that close.
I didn't know about the rock cropping, so that's a key piece
of coffee, he said. His.
Adrenaline was pumping. He went out.
He was in the moment. He was definitely going for it
and. He goes after.
I mean, he's. He He did.
Almost, he starts. Taking off right here like he's
dead Sprint at this moment and he's like, oh, I got this, I got
this. No, no, no, That's when ah, it
just turns on him. Here's a question if you think.
If it didn't carry into the water and Denny stayed on land,
do you think he lays out for it on the sand?
I think, I think if he had stopped and was to the side he
cuz there's a if he doesn't overrun it, he might have had to
dive to the side. And I think he might have dove
that way cuz he's not having to dive head first.
The only option he had was to like lay out like this into
rocks, which is understandable why I didn't do that.
I still can't. Believe how far you do that.
Piece of shit. I mean that.
That really good frisbee. I'm wearing 4 football fields
away. Pete throws it right at the
throat. Dude, how did you get that much
carry? It's insane.
It's a hell of a thrill. Yeah, I mean, well, someone
needs to restore the good name of the quality of these Frisbees
after the grant. Is a is AI good enough to make
him catch it? Cuz I would just want to see
like it's so sad when he doesn't.
I would love to see a version of any catching it.
I just wanted to I want that moment to exist.
I I think it would be fun if like Denny and I if I if I just
fly Denny up to the Cape. If we just go down there we just
try to recreate this and. Just see if I I would guess it
would take you a lot of throws to get close.
Yeah, I would. Say it's more on you than Denny
like to get that throw again. I don't feel more confident my
abilities that I do all. Right.
I mean, it wasn't good throw that's that's a normal throw for
you. Congratulations.
Well, you you have stories of what was it?
Was it last summer or two summers ago you played flag
football with Denny at the Expo? It.
Was last summer. Well, you've got 1 snap with
them. We I get to play like exactly 1
offensive snap with Denny. He threw we and that was it.
He threw an immediate pick into double coverage, I believe,
with. And the ruler?
They only got 1 possession. He he locked in on Rotopad from
the very jump. You know, I was it was Rotopad
was his first, second and third read on that.
So he did. He did follow his progression.
And then probably through an interception.
Rotopad's got, you know, the elite athleticism, so that why
wouldn't you log it on? You know he's gonna go be.
Fair The past rush was pretty fierce.
Oh wait, no, there's no past rush in Black Hole.
Did you see? Oh, by the way, I gotta show
this. The ship chasing Discord tonight
is popping and and has been, but I gotta pull up a few things
that were in there. So Casey got a clip of.
Oh my God, Doherty doing the the W on your stream.
I had technical difficulties. Gretch I.
Don't. Know if you guys can hear it,
but he's got Wu Tang Clan ain't got nothing to fuck with as the
background track to this. They were.
He gave me that to Draft Rashad White.
That's, yeah. Looks like he's saying pass
catcher like W and. Catch.
Exactly. So.
So they he did this. So it was Rashad White.
I was is a Pacheco in the queue with Rashad White next.
So then I I put White ahead and I was like, OK, it seems like
they're good with that. My headphones still weren't
working. Then he threw that up and I was
like, fuck, they want a pass catcher then probably means they
don't want white. So I might as well just take the
highest ADP running back cuz I never, I have no chance of
figuring out which pass catcher and they just wanted white.
That's a W for white. And you took Pacheco.
Yeah, took Pacheco. And Kevin already has your free
gift. Yes, earlier.
Tonight. Yes, that's exactly what it
looked like. Oh my goodness.
Oh my God, that's. Actually scary.
Oh my goodness. That's amazing.
All right. Incredible stuff.
I know you guys want more drafts.
Like I said earlier, we're going to have more announcements soon
about our plan for the rest of drafting season.
Excited to do some highstakes managed leagues.
We're going to have more updates on that.
Like I said, we will be in Vegas.
We're going to be having a party on Friday night.
So any of you ship chasers that are going to be out there doing
highstakes drafts, we will have more info on that soon.
And Pat, Pat. That's not we're not like it
might happen. Why not?
It's happening Friday night. Ship chasing party in Vegas
Pizza park. Pat, are you gonna take
individual pizza topping requests, everyone?
I need to listen. I have yet to connect, connect
with the pizza, connect that Mike Choppa sent over.
So that's that's something I've gotta do, do.
You guys remember this triple pepperoni?
Man, I wanna say Barnwell tweeted about it a couple years
ago. A triple park Vegas.
It's like a $60.00 pizza. I think that's what we gotta do.
Let's do it. I'm, I'm, I'm game.
We can do. We can do whatever we're doing.
A pizza party guys. It's Pete's party ship chasing
party. Yelp And I know some of the ship
chasers. Are getting in on no.
Hoagies is the question. What's that I.
Don't know, Maybe no hoagies. From Oh, that was a bit from I
said I was gonna throw a sub party where everybody gets a
hoagie when I went at Siam. Good pie in downtown Vegas.
Triple pepperoni pizza. We're doing it.
There we go. Yes, and this you will, Ryan
says. If we're not going to Vegas, can
we Venmo request Pat for our Grubhub bill?
Yeah, Pat is paying for the entire community.
It depends how many people get a hold of my Venmo, but, you know,
we'll see. All right.
Yeah. Become become YouTube members so
you guys can enjoy. Gifts of Pat spazzing out.
Get your I love wide receiver individual merge, Gretch.
Anything else going on in the stealing signals realm?
I know you've been doing some awesome podcasts with Sean.
I'm just working through my divisions offseason, stealing
signal stuff, signal and noise from each team wrote about.
The Colts, for like multiple hours today, tip your typical
ridiculously over the top length posts coming division by
division, team by Team I. Love it, Pat.
What about you? I'm.
Going to be back right in tomorrow, finishing up my series
on running backs. I'm going to have another
strategy article that I have kind of started a little bit
probably early next week. And yeah, got a 7 hour stream if
you're looking to fill some time.
Can I watch this to be? Listeners, you elitist service
us. I just, I think I am servicing
the audio listeners by not putting a 7 hour stream on the
podcast feed. That is my gift.
To the audio listeners. Can I read you?
Can I read you a comment from my the best Ball breakfast Sir?
So one of our fine community members said five hours in the
PAT Mega stream and the man has no idea how to service a YouTube
audio listener draft after draft.
I was left on service and unsatisfied for getting picks as
soon as they were made. Left with vague contours of each
position room. Pete tried to coach him up but
there was no saving the common lower class audio listener from
this apathetic millionaire. Great.
So good. He just buried me.
The other thing is Pete was Pete had to focus on just getting me
to service the viewer because I kept forgetting to put the board
up. So I mean don't worry all of you
listeners. The viewers didn't have a great
experience. I mean your.
Co managers were trying to be service.
Just trying to figure. Out.
I just, you know, I wasn't servicing anyone.
I'm sorry. Yeah, what someone say we only
have nine likes on this stream. None of you guys get pizza if
you don't like the stream. That's it.
Show the pizza way more than 9. Likes.
Yeah, OK, let me pull this up. Gretch, what do we got here?
We got this is the triple pep right here.
This won't be the only thing we get.
It's $46 pizza. Is concerned because we we we
will need some vegetarian options as well.
Triple is what I've been calling my hyperfragile builds this
year. Yeah, started out with the
triple pep. Yeah.
Tough crowd. All right, everybody, tip your
servers. Have a great night.