Morning and welcome to wintry Buffalo, where if yesterday's
Broncos Bills game had been played today, the snow would
have been the story. Last year was the other way
around. They moved the game to Monday,
got through it. Right now down there, 20 miles
South of where I sit, it's kind of a mess today on ADP chasing
we will whip around Wild card weekend.
Feels to me like a lot of chalk hit, except for maybe
Philadelphia. We know that most of our entries
were already going to lose, but how many of our entries for this
year's postseason tournaments have already lost anyway, with
our heroes Pat Kurain and Davis Maddock, I'm Mike Schoeb.
It's great to be with you. Thanks for watching and
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actually, back in if it's Austinette.
It's stared to our crystal ball. close your eyes.
You know all your entries are going to lose anyway.
Yeah. That's fair.
This is a Dusvan show. It's.
Anti cabal. It's anti the best ball thought
leader. I'm obviously lying to some
degree because like, I have a lot of both of these guys.
It's the most disgusting thing you can make, but man.
Davis, our boy, is ailing. Our boys ailing.
I I was really sick God, like six weeks ago or something and I
just like when you work from home and your job is to talk on
a podcast, you you kind of just are like, dude, I got to just do
it. But Karain, I I feel for you
man. I know you're, I know you're, I
know you're ailing, but you know, at least, at least Justice
Hills 10 point 5.5 PPR points hit our best ball teams right in
in the God damn mouth. Ty Johnson too, I mean.
Ty Johnson. Yeah, it's about as good as it
gets. Yeah, really for, for, for
people of our Slappy proclivities, the only better
thing that could have happened would have been for Gainwell to
to, to get in the box at some point.
But you can't really ask for much more.
Yeah, there's lots of stuff to tilt this weekend, but like, I
knew I truly felt appropriately at the sickness had like fully
gotten to my bones when probably the biggest thing I tilted was
that I drafted too much Mack Hollins and not enough Curtis
Samuel. Yep, Yep.
Yeah. Can you believe the Ty Johnson
play? Does it make sense at?
All it was so good. And yeah, like, how did he?
He tilted forward just enough so that his foot doesn't slide.
It's kind of, it's really crazy. He's celebrating before he comes
to a stop. He's got the ball in one hand
and he's got his arm up like this.
He ran 7, a 70 yard wheel route maybe like just sort of all the
way around and all the way back and Allen is just toying with
them. It's fourth and one.
Why isn't he under center? Why isn't he just sort of taking
the obvious 2 yards that he gets every time?
No, he's in the shotgun. He's rolling right and he's
going to stand there. He's going to wait for Ty
Johnson to run 70 yards and hit him at the back of the end zone
with his knee down and his foot. But it's, it just what an insane
play. It's one of many.
We. Used to make cooking there the
Kate. Let's just listen to the Kate.
And that was poetry. That was beautiful.
I just was sitting back, I appreciating that.
Mike, I, I got to, I got to ask you because my feeling watching
the, the bills in the first half was like, I felt this as a
chiefs fan of just being frustrated.
Like, God, just let him play man.
Just let, just let Josh go do some stuff.
Why it like it 3 possessions in the first half and obviously
they totally broke out in the second-half.
And maybe that was just, that was how they'd always cooked it
up. But was that, were you, were you
feeling the same as me or you were just like, ah, we're just,
we're just taking care of business?
No, much like you, it's been the dilemma I have faced with the
Bills all year, which is I think that's how they want to play.
And Denver is a kick off the goal post from 10/10 at halftime
and they get Sean McDermott coming off the field.
He's like, yeah, a couple of pre snap penalties got us off
schedule. One was on purpose when they're
on their own 1 yard line just trying to draw Denver off.
Like there really wasn't that much of that.
That's how they want to play. But they continue to survive, if
not thrive with Cook, you know, inside the tackle runs for 5-6
yards of pop. And my bet on this team has for
years been that they just, why would you want that?
Why would you want that to be your offense when you have
Allen? But here was a game where they
get down early and they still get through it and then end up
winning easily that way. So now it's Baltimore.
You know, Baltimore and Kansas City probably like now we're
going to find out if they can bully the Ravens at home, but
they don't cook. Can't bully the Ravens so that
is not going to work against the Ravens.
It could work against the chiefs because the chiefs are not going
to get into second year against them They they could definitely
bully the chiefs. Now the chiefs have a very good
run defense and so do the Ravens.
But like you know a very good run defense.
What what does that even mean in the context of winning a Super
Bowl like literally means nothing.
So they like Kansas City has literally not scored 30 points
this season. You know, like they they could
definitely like either the Ravens or the Bills if either of
them avoid getting in their own heads.
They can like, I think easily beat the Chiefs, like like
literally easily. But.
Do you agree that one of those teams, the Ravens and the Bills,
is much more likely to get in its own head?
I mean, I think the Raven, I think the Ravens are much more
likely to go into Arrowhead and be like, what is this now?
Well. What, they got to come here
first. They got to come here first.
It's going to be 10° and snowing.
And you know, the last time they did this, Lamar Jackson talked
about, yeah, I've never seen snow.
And they scored three points they the playoff game.
I did. I saw.
Our. Our, our good friend, friend of
the show, Jack Settlement tweeted that Lamar is not going
to be wearing sleeves. So maybe, maybe he's trying to,
to shake some of those demons. I don't know.
I, I find myself this is where I've ultimately landed.
I am just an unreliable narrator on the Josh Allen versus Lamar
thing. You just can't really take
anything I say about these two guys as it pertains to one
another seriously. I, I am incapable of not being
biased towards Lamar. And I think it's mostly an
aesthetic thing. I think it's mostly just Lamar.
Like a four yard Lamar run could be the most exhilarating play of
the game. And that is not even a value
judgement on Josh Allen, who is also very fun.
I saw a great tweet that said Lamar looks like a Maserati and
Josh looks like a cement truck. Both get the job done.
They're just doing it in a very different way.
So I get a. He's more of a monster truck.
Give give the guy credit, he's a monster truck.
Yeah, yeah. Make him the best truck there
is. Make him, Yeah, whatever, any,
anything like that. But I get accused of that.
To me watching football, irrespective of who's, you know,
who are we rooting for? Where do these teams exist?
The the Ravens, Texans game that the Ravens won 31 to two on
Christmas. There's a play where Jackson
reads it and gets out to the right.
He goes like 50 for a touchdown to me there.
There's 2 plays in football that I think are the most exciting
that that could be a running back, too, but somebody who's
like super fast, you can't see 20 yards downfield on TV, so you
don't know what's out there. Does he have it?
Is he going to be able to cut the corner, get the edge, go all
the way, whatever that is? I love that.
And I also love the great physical quarterback against
whoever, the great edge rusher. There was a Cam Newton, Mario
Williams game here that I went to Carolina, Buffalo like 10
years ago, whatever that was, and it was riveting.
These two guys like, can Newton get out?
This is more Allen like can he get out of that tackle?
Can the the defensive player win that sort of head to head within
the game? Those to me are the two most
exciting things in football. So Jackson offers you that.
Allen does too, you know, to a point, depending on who he's
playing against. It's just so with the Bills,
it's just so easy. It's always been so easy.
Anything short yardage and the the Ravens right from the
beginning of that game, Pat, I mean, they were much the better
team, but it's like third and three and Jackson comes left and
he's got to do this and then the guy has them, but he gets four
and there were six to 10 plays like that in that game that.
They end. Up being a little bit more he.
Should have. Scored 45.
The The Ravens should have scored 45.
Points. But they don't in that game.
They don't that's I think the thing I like about the Bills is
when it feels like they are able to like fully unlock, they're
able to hit that like in the video game, like when you're
like on fire, you know, like that they they get to that
level. Oh yeah.
That level exists for them. We've seen it and their ability
to like hit, you know, the, the, the to power up enough to get
there. They like, know how to do it.
The Ravens, it feels like they're constantly like, a
little short of that now. They're like, the thing about
them is that they can just, like, destroy teams even when
they're not. Even even fully second gear.
Yeah, even in second gear they can destroy teams, so.
For two years. Yeah, that's not to say that,
you know, that they're not a great team, but it's like it's
just aesthetically like I'm watching the Bills like click on
all cylinders. Like, you know, like they they
were putting it all together. Even in that Rams loss, you
know, you're like, my God, this team can score at will.
I never really feel that with the Ravens.
It's much more, it's more methodical, I think.
And and then you get, you get Henry rolling downhill.
And that that's the part of it where sometimes you're just
like, this is impossible to stop.
Yeah, the the Henry thing, man, I think I'm I'm think I'm like
full like boomer running back pilled.
I'm just like, dude, you know what, 49ers, just take Gene T,
just do it. You know, Broncos, you ready to
accelerate the rebuild? You ready to win a playoff game
next year? Just take Gene T.
You know, like I, I, I, I'm, I'm fully because last year, I think
part of the reason why the Ravens were so quick to forget
the forward run existed against the Chiefs was it's taking the
ball out of Lamar Jackson's hands to hand the ball to Gus
Edwards. That doesn't feel like a very
good trade off. But taking the ball out of
Lamar's hands to hand it to Derek Henry?
That feels like a much better trade off.
I think Davis like that's right and I think this is a Jackson
thing, like what was frustrating for them last year in the
playoffs, even in the Houston game in the first half, but then
certainly against Kansas City. First play of the AFC
championship is a 2 yard run hand off to somebody.
Second play is he gets out to the right and slides.
These games, you're the Cleveland game they needed for
the division. The Pittsburgh game, it's
immediately Lamar Jackson keeping that ball.
So that's where like that's the adjustment they've made and the
Bills will be ready for that. I mean, that's just there's no
way I'm not, I'm going to sound like a Homer to you guys, but in
Buffalo I get accused of being a Homer for Lamar.
Like there, there's no way the Bills let that happen against
Baltimore on on Sunday night. Like.
Just have have you guys seen this tape going around the
Internet that this is this? So like I just said, I was going
full boomer and I'm going to go back to being full slappy.
There was this this tape going around.
I saw some bills fan saying this.
You just got to smoke Lamar once he's got it, usually don't.
Don't care. Don't care about.
Basically they're saying don't care about the running back on
the read option because that's what the Steelers did.
The Steelers were immediately going to Justice Hill or Derrick
Henry on the read option. That's why Lamar just kept
getting 6 yards, like, oh, do you just smoke Lamar once?
And then I would just like to ask those people, think about
all the times you've watched Lamar Jackson play football, how
many times has the defender squared him up in?
Your mind 0 like. I can't, I can't really think of
one time where defender got him shoulder to shoulder, you know,
picked him up and talked. I really can't remember once.
I'm sure it's happened, but it does not happen very often and
there's. A that's right, that's right.
It's part of his his brilliance. Well, and.
And you know, that's that's where like the running back
discussion has been. I think the like, we definitely
took it too far as far as the running backs don't matter
stuff, you know, on the analytics side, but it's like
they're they're kind of they're closers in in baseball or
something. The final piece that you add to
it. Really helps to have a good one
you you. Notice if you're not good, it
just doesn't matter. It doesn't matter like it
doesn't matter like, oh, you're going to be good in close games
like well, you suck so who cares?
You know, and I think but Derrick Henry, you know, the
idea of like, oh, I just got to hit Lamar once.
Well, that means you're focusing on Lamar instead of Derrick
Henry, which might be horrible for you there.
If you focus on on anything but Derrick Henry, when he's getting
the ball, that can be an 80 yard touchdown immediately.
So and that's, I mean, the Henry signing has been awesome for
them. I do, I do still kind of hold
steady on like this draft class is bad enough or maybe Gene T is
going to be fine wherever he goes, But you you know, it's not
it's not particularly strong. It like it's there's like no
tackles in it. Like it's not a good class.
There's no quarterbacks or tackles.
So like, you know, there's the high, high value positions are
are kind of not there. But generally, I think if you
have a chance, like you're not signing Derrick Henry over a
really strong tackle who's available in free agents, you
know, it's like, it's money that, yeah, you, you, you know,
like you get a safety, you get a linebacker or you get a running
back, Like, OK, get a running back if you need that.
And Henry's been amazing for them.
Well, well, that's right. Ronnie Stanley has played every
game after a season where he was in and out all the time.
The Bills offensive line, none of them has missed a game.
Like they never get hurt and their their line is better than
Baltimore's. And again, now we have James
Cook 5 yards every time. I mean, Cook has been sort of
the overall dilemma I find with the Bills.
Like can you really, do you really want to win that way?
Is that how this is going to be? And then Cook within that, is
this really a guy who can just bust off runs and just get 5-6
yards of pop? But yesterday he was, and I'm
not sure how eager you guys are to talk about next year, but
what what is Cook then? I mean, did you guys, I, I, I
heard you, Pat last week, you guys were on so much.
And I was right with you when you were talking on I think it
was Friday night's show. Just I don't think I want to
roster James Cook like just you, you have Alan, but OK, what's
the pivot in FFPC anyway in that context?
And I I was right there too, but that was a yesterday worked.
It worked. I mean, I have lots of cook in
playoff basketball, but it was more like so the context I was
saying that is that I'm I'm taking one bill.
I still don't want cook in the FFPCI want Allen, right.
I mean, and if you're going now, I think what I was wrong about
is that Lamar Cook is probably going to be what you want if
Lamar wins it maybe because it's possible that the let's let's
see how Jane Daniels does. I think you'd rather have Josh
Henry. I think that if you offered me
the two, I think that is the the combo.
Well, yeah, if the bills. Depends on who wins if the
Bills. Win for sure.
But what if the Ravens win? You still might.
You still might want Josh Henry.
Still might. Yeah, I went to Kincaid, Pat, I
went to Kincaid Overcook. Oh, that's see, that is pure
homerism. No, it is not you.
No it. Is not Mike I Mike I played
Kincaid on on one of my 200 teams too and I just.
Like I watched the game because you know, the Rube gold machine
stuff that they don't do it on the trick plays to your point
show. But they, you know, they they're
doing this thing where Allen would drop back and he'd like
hand, he'd like fake a hand off and then he'd like spin around
real quick. I was like, what is going on?
What's the point? So he did that.
He spun around and then he like, look, he like looked like he was
gonna throw deep. And then he like threw like 4
yards to Kincaid on like a cross.
It, it almost seemed to be like coming back toward the
quarterback. It's such a weird route.
And then he like slid down. I just I knew Davis was laughing
his ass. Off the guy played fewer snaps
than the fucking third tackle. I mean it's just like we gotta
be I and I am saying this to myself because I keep wasting
money on Kincaid. I just I keep doing it because
in the back of my head I kind of believe Liam.
Like in the back of my head I'm like, maybe Kincaid really just
has gotten unlucky, you know? But that game yesterday, I was
like, dude, Dawson Knox just is better than him.
Just like straight like Dawson Knox is just a he's a much
better blocker. And then Knox gets wide open,
shakes the safety off for the 25 the the the 25 yard gain.
I'm like, dude, Knox just a better football player, man.
He just is. Well fine, but I mean Kincaid
had a three for 47 thanks to a 35 yard catch that shouldn't
have counted. Which puts.
I mean Zach Ertz caught 2 passes.
We liked that a little bit. Otten.
Nobody was talking craft. What were we supposed to do?
Did he had a Did he had a play that wasn't reviewed?
Yeah, 'cause the cause the Bills never miss cause one of the
Allen points is they never miss the edges.
Like they sprinted up. Denver was down in the
second-half. Don't throw the challenge flag,
it's over. Counts fine, put it in the book.
So I mean, you didn't get the game.
Kincaidif was always a bet against tight ends.
Andrews caught 2. Four points ertz 2 catches.
I don't know, Kelsey. I think the tight end you want
in the FFPC probably has not started playing his games yet.
I think right now Travis Kelsey is getting, you know, he's, he's
getting the blood spun in his knees.
Travis Kelsey has not had to play football in 24 days and
really didn't even have to play in the Christmas Day game,
right? I mean, he did.
He got a touchdown. But like, you know, that is just
so much rest for an old team. It's crazy.
And then, well, maybe not. They're 7 1/2 point favorites
against the the Texans. Yeah, they just, you know,
handled them easily at home Gotter.
I mean, I like Hawkinson actually as a as a pivot too.
We'll see about him tonight. But Goddard got in Philadelphia.
Was, was I right in the open? Was Philadelphia the one team
that sort of didn't deliver of the chalk?
I mean the 4-5 game. Goddard got 14 and half PPRI
think but like bar I mean you want to talk about a playoff
best ball swing? Barkley kneeling on that play
instead of scoring A70. Yard Touchdown I.
Mean that's probably that's probably like how many how many
Eagles chief stacks didn't how many how many Mahomes Barkley
starts went from they would have easily advanced in two out of
six yeah to easily not advancing.
One out of six on DraftKings, my God.
That killed. Oh yeah, yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, the Mahomes, the Mahomes
Barkley start would have been the absolute nut.
You had to, well, not you had to have it, but you really wanted
to have it to like it's, it's really, it's, it's gonna be hard
to advance Chiefs pieces if the Vikings do not do really well
tonight because a lot of the NFC sides you would have paired with
them did pretty poorly. Like Baker.
Baker did not do very well. I guess Jayden and Maclaurin did
well. It'll be easier to advance lions
because, like, I had a lot of, like, not a lot of good amount.
Yeah, well, Henry, Henry. I did like Goff Henry mix that
in and then you then you you added like Bateman and stuff.
So you'll be you'll be OK think with lions, especially if you
did to any Texans from. That Houston, right?
Right, yeah, and LAD, I mean, and LAD was obviously massive.
The discord was saying this morning, or at least somebody on
there was like that Goth Henry was the nuts at 6-7.
Yeah, Goth Henry was the nuts. If you if you took if you took
Bateman, like Bateman scorer probably counted a lot for them.
Well, it's going to be someone in the chat just said it.
It's going to be really like if the Rams super smash in a loss,
like if, if Puka and Kyron and Stafford and like even cup gets
like 11. You know, in a loss, it's just
the whole bracket is just going to be messed up because Puka and
Kyron were expensive. They were they were.
Puka was the but closed in like the third round and played with
the. Ball almost second.
And he was. He was.
He would have flipped Jefferson if you gave it another week, I
think. I, I ended up being really light
on the chargers and the Rams relative because I'm like these
teams, particularly the Chargers.
I'm like, the chargers are literally drawing dead to give
me points in the Super Bowl. Like just they're, they're I, I,
I did my, my 80,000 simulations and the chargers don't make it
to the Super Bowl once. So I just was super like lad, I
I'm sorry, man, wide receiver 14 for a guy whose Super Bowl
projection is 0. I just I don't know, maybe I'm
playing the game wrong and maybe play at best ball is far from
salt, but I just it's like, dude, I'm not taking Ladd
Mcconkey over even like Isaiah likely, you know, like.
How shocking? How shocking was 4 picks from
Herbert? Was it shocking?
Was it not He threw 3 all year? You're you're asking another
unreliable Herbert narrator. Might be might be better to go
to Pat on that one. I last week we talked about this
and I'm like, you know, isn't LA the one team that could beat
Kansas City? And you're like I mentioned it
on GR a couple times this week, Like they just don't have enough
good players. They just don't.
They just do. They couldn't block.
They couldn't block the Texans. I mean, the Texans have a really
good defense that the Texans have a really good pass rush.
Like that, they when they get ahead really good when they get
ahead, right? Yeah, I mean, but you know,
their numbers all season, like they've had, they've let they've
had let downs, but like throughout the whole season it's
been you know, it's a right at the games and stuff.
It's like the Texans are good defense, good pass rush.
You know, they can they can hurt you.
And I guess my thing with Herbert is like, it's one of
those situations where like, had they missed the play offs, had
the had the Bengals gotten in, they drop the game and you know,
they don't make the play offs, I think people would go, look, I
mean, maybe don't give this guy rookie wide receiver as his
number one wide receiver. Like lad's really good.
But like, let's build around this guy and and set him up for
success a little bit more. Like even JK Dobbins had a
surprisingly good season. But like, what if he didn't?
You know this is this is how you team build.
Good point, good point. The the Chargers had a winning
season. I mean, they were around even
money to make the playoffs. They do now.
It's more just sort of like the Chargers are still the Chargers.
They lose in the playoffs, but what was to what you said, Pat?
What was their goal? Like?
What was the Chargers blueprint this year?
What was it supposed to be in the offseason?
It was it's Greg Roman. So they're going to run the ball
forever, you know, constantly and maybe Dobbins, Vidal, right,
all of that. And they got there.
I mean Johnston had a couple of spike week games and they got
there anyway, but and end up losing by 20 to a pretty bad
Houston team in the playoffs. I don't know, like what was it
supposed to? What was their idea of what the
season would be before it started?
I think to me, I think this year was about Harbaugh establishing
and his identity, you know, putting his fingerprints on the
team and kind of getting like, like steering the ship towards
like the direction that he wants to take this franchise.
Have it more be about like building through the trenches.
And you know, like they just they were not they could have
had neighbors, you know, like this team could have had like
neighbors on it. And they were like, no, we're
going to be we're going to focus on building through the
trenches. So that may ultimately prove to
be the right move. But in my mind, it's kind of a
little bit of a slower, like a like a more long term view,
which you've got a young franchise quarterback.
So maybe that's prudent and and it's going to pay off in a big
way. But yeah, I just this year, like
I was it's really drafted. Think about where we took
Herbert in playoff there in in regular best ball, you know, and
and in regular fantasy leagues like like this team is not going
to have any juice on offense like they just don't have any
weapons. So and.
That was right. Yeah, it was until until lad
broke out and and and looks like he's going to be a star, but OK,
he's still a rookie and one guy. And Quentin, you know, Quentin
Johnson's revival, I put like partly on Herbert, partly on
partly on them not having anyone else and then needing him to do
it. And then, yeah, he's been a
little bit better this year. But like, yeah, it's this is not
there's certain teams where you're like, everything was in
place for you, man. This, this was your shot, this
was your year. And and you threw 4 picks.
Like what the hell? This to me couldn't, it's harder
to be like further from that for her.
Like this was, this was house money.
This was house money for her work.
Now he blew. He blew it with the house money.
He put it, he put it all, he put it all on double zeros and.
Double zeros did not did not. I mean, great.
We we talked about this, we talked about this on Friday on
the on the leg up preview. We said it.
You know, they're, they're like the NBA team that just like
unexpectedly is in the second round in the, in the conference
semifinals. And they didn't even, they were
like, what how do we? And then they just get shit
canned by just a more veteran, more experienced team, which is
exactly what happened. Now is Justin Herbert what
people on TV and like big NFL want to tell you he is?
No, you know he's not. Justin Herbert is just simply
not what like Dan Orlovsky and these guys tell you he is.
Like he just is too inconsistent.
I think it might even be a mechanical thing, but.
You know who he's going to be. He's he's shaping up to be the
the new Philip Rivers. I was going to say Troy, not
Troy. Tony Romo, Yeah.
Tony Romo. Yeah, he's more stylistically
similar to Romo, but like that kind of that guy that one of the
powerhouse quarterbacks in the league could just like it.
Never he. He he's like.
Tony Romo, but in Mahomes Division.
Yeah, I. Mean he's clearly like the 8th
best quarterback or something, you know OK yeah Lost cosmonaut
is right. It is more the guys who just
like watch a lot of the game and I can see why if all you do like
you just watch, you're just like, oh, I just like to watch
the game. Why Why you love him so much?
Because he looks cool. He just look he just like looks
really cool playing the game. But like you know, next year I
saw age 27 season. Yeah, I bought into a narrative
this year that like I like I mentioned last week with them,
he just sort of took over a couple of games down the stretch
and sort of this is I've got the coach, I, I, I've got this.
And the Texans might have been like a as good a draw as you
could hope for. I thought he might have been
hurt early in this game. He was shaking his elbow a
couple times and then he was really missing before the
onslaught started. He was just really missing.
So that that might be true. He.
Might be he, might be Stafferty
I I could see, I. Could see.
I could see Stafford and it's like, it's like it took Stafford
a long time to get his due and the ball knowers have always
liked Stafford more than the numbers based analysts for for
as long as he's been in the NFL. Right.
And he put, he put the stats up on bad teams.
Herbert will not have that and he's not going to be a guy that
gets compared to Stafford in terms of stats, but maybe.
Although look, man, I mean, things could turn around like
they, the Chargers take Luther Burden and it turns out Luther
Burden is good. They sign a competent outside
wide receiver and they don't have Will Disley as their
primary tight end. And they take, you know, there's
a great, there's a great running back class.
They could probably do what The Jets did last year, take 283
guys and they're both good. I'm like, all of a sudden you're
like, oh, the Chargers scored 25 points a game and they look
awesome and they won 10 games and Kansas City thought maybe
they weren't going to win the division for a little bit.
Like it's totally well. If I were, if I were his agent
Davis, if I were Justin Herbert's Herbert's agent, I
would immediately enter the transfer portal and look for a
team in the NFC that might have. That's isn't it so funny.
It's like I remember this when Brady was doing his will.
He won't he right of like, oh, where's he going to sign?
I was like Brady, brother. I know Brady Sharp, Brady's
going to the NFC and then of. Course Rogers.
Rogers exact opposite Rogers will he, won't he?
It's like I know Rogers is is just he just doesn't think so.
He's going to the AFC for sure. Rogers just does not think
through the permutations. And that is, of course, that is
exactly what happened, you know? Well, in the in the Denver
Buffalo game, they spent a minute on like, OK, Bo Knicks,
right? I mean, nice, cool, pretty good.
Alan Mahomes Jackson is your gauntlet to the Super.
Bowl, I think. I think those guys are basically
the only quarterbacks who matter right now in the current NFL.
They're the only ones who are so good you could drop them
anywhere. Any teammate, any coach.
I think everyone. Else, I think Burrough,
Burrough, if you gave Burrough a better defense this year, I mean
Burt and he can knock off the Chiefs, he could, he can make
noise. The sacks are so problematic,
they're they're. He has beaten them all.
I mean, he's beaten Allen in the playoffs.
He's beaten Holmes in the playoffs, but.
The sacks are bad. He's there too.
The sacks are bad. The offensive line is not great
and he takes sacks. Even if he even if he even if he
had a great offensive line, he would still take sacks.
That's took sacks. In the greatest like college
football offense of all time, Like it's just a it's just a
stat the quarterbacks kind of own.
So I wouldn't disagree he matters, but I think he is
because of the sax. Just like a smidgen of a tier
lower than those guys. Interesting for Stroud here.
I mean, pretty good day for him. And a year ago we were all in
love, lost in the playoffs. OK, not all of us.
I so, I mean, I'm not trying to write, I'm not trying to write
his obituary or anything, but like he was fine in that game.
I don't I I did not come away from.
That game, he was horrible in the beginning.
I was like, Oh my God, they're going to, they're going to blow
this. Yeah, that dumb, that dumb play
with the wasn't a bad snap either.
He dropped it and then chased it down and the charger just sort
of froze. And that was how about?
How about? The first interception, well,
who was he even throwing to? I don't.
Know man. Well, he gets he gets Mahomes
this week and all you want is an opportunity.
He's got it. If the Chiefs, if the Chiefs
lose that game. Continuing the the storied
tradition of my showing you guys my drafts.
I, I, I put so I did 19 gauntlet teams.
Is that good? I I I guess I didn't have time
for 20, but I did 19 and. That would drive me crazy Mike
to to see. The odd number.
Yeah.
Well, this was my I thought my worst I I label all these teams
I've got if you guys can can find it up here.
This was like my least favorite because you sort of make plans
and. Share your screen.
Pat can. Pat can.
I did. Did not.
Oh. There we go.
There it is. Bark.
Well, I mean very good, very good, very good advance rate
What? What's?
Quarterback. Is it Stroud it's got?
To be, it's got to be Stroud. Let's find out, yeah?
It's I mean, I'm sure, I'm sure. Yeah.
It's like, so the six hole was really interesting towards the
end with four of the quarterbacks and sometimes five
of the quarterbacks being gone. So those did end up being heavy
advance rate slots. Like I mean look you'd rather
get your $20 back than than not get your $20 back.
But it's like, what's gonna that?
Never made sense. What, what choked it here?
You're not getting your 21st of all, it's 25 to enter.
So if you get $20 back, you've already lost money.
Why not play for something unlikely?
But if you if it happens all of a sudden you're like, I think
I'm have the nuts like if, if, if you get an Eagles Texans
Super Bowl here, you're in great shape.
Although do you do you have enough Texans?
I think you might need more. Texans or.
No, he does. He's 4.
Lions, Lions, Texans, Lions, Rams, Lions, Eagles.
He has. OK, OK.
What I did with those teams was I did Vikings teams.
I would, I would, I would, I mean sometimes I would, I would
do, I would do like Bark. I would do Barkley, Henry and
then I would do Addison, Aaron, Jones, Darnold, Hawkinson and
then 2 Ravens, 2 Bills or two Chiefs to set up the back door.
Viking Super Bowl 'cause I still think the Vikings are are fairly
live. Yeah, me too.
What did we get? And let's, I want to go quickly
at least game by game here if we can.
But what did we get out of the NFC this weekend?
Like Philadelphia, Hertz got injured and none of those guys
hit. Hurt.
It's like I, I kind of still think the Eagles are the best
team in the NFC, but Hertz did not look great.
The defense did look really good.
I think, I mean, I think we learned that like wins against
the Packers might not be worth that much.
Has anyone I the, the commanders have won their five most recent
games, all on the final play from scrimmage.
And I mean, I, I actually like don't know, like how did the
commanders not, or how did the Baker only had 18, I guess he
had 20 drop backs. That was crazy.
I, I guess the commanders just kind of ran the air out of ball
33 team rush attempts. Brian Robinson, junior man, if
you, if you took him as an advance rate piece, you are not
feeling that. I guess it was the Baker fumble
that kind of ended up. I did more in start. 1st place
for to head of that game in the FPC playoff challenge with a
team that was a Washington fade and had Mike Evans.
So before that fumble, we're like, this is we just need this
to hold. And then we have a a Minnesota
fade on that team too with Reichert and Puka.
So we're like, you know, this is looking really good.
And then once that fumble happened, it just they never, I
mean, you, you, you kick the field goal to tie it up and then
never touch the ball again. Like it is just such a dagger.
And then for Terry McMahon to also score the touchdown, who
was really chalky in that contest that that crushed me
last night. I was like riding high.
Bucks are going to are going to win this game.
Terry's kind of quiet. We're we're in control of the
FPC playoff contest and the team's it's not like definitely
dead because of the the Minnesota fade, but.
Last week. Oh.
My God, we we got this to it's probably dead.
Sorry, last week you were talking about catching up on
Washington, did you not? Did I not?
What? In playoff basketball.
Oh, in playoff baseball I did. I maybe not as much as I wanted
to, but I definitely followed through on that as like a point
of emphasis to get more Terry and Jane Daniels is like advance
rate pieces. But the way they have APCPC
playoff contest works is even if you like start with a decent
monetary and we have like some Jayden Daniels teams.
And so we didn't like the initial position was not like
Washington's going to lose. But then you're like, well,
which teams have lad and which teams, you know, have, have all
the pieces have like Josh Jacobs, but also have an eagle
and like, you know, you get down pretty quickly to like, all
right, here's the teams that are looking really strong and what
do they need? And they all needed all they all
needed Tampa Bay, like basically they all needed so that that
fumble, that stupid, that stupid play call to get, you know, it's
like this, this plays me really cool.
Unless the snap is slightly mistimed, in which case we'll
lose the game. But but man, it'll be so cool.
So let's call this, you know, on our on our 15 yard line or
whatever it. Was how about 18?
Davis mentioned it when you stepped away.
I mean how about 18 passes for Mayfield in this game like it
was Evans, Bucky Irving sort of made his par and nothing else.
Like 18185 yards for Mayfield after the season he just had.
It just did not come. Yeah. 48 plays Davis, that's
your area 48 that's so. Bad.
Let me tell you, if I had gotten wind that the Buccaneers were
going to run 48 offensive plays, I would have had probably stone
0 in right in playoff basketball, I don't know.
It's a playoff best ball it it's always.
It's always the ship chasing curse was due.
Yeah, we were celebrating the curse being broken, and the
curse had had one more. So I guess.
I guess. Ladd is the Ladd is the Jake
Ferguson this year, compounded by the fact that the other Jake
Ferguson was in the game with him.
Nico, yeah, it's just a it's a tough game.
And it's also a particularly tough game when you play it the
way that we think is optimal, which is to focus as much as
possible on winning in the Super Bowl round.
It it would be, it would be as if in best Ball Mania you, you
were literally actively taking guys who would stink early or or
get or get 0 points early like on per it's like 0 RB but like
with no possibility of upside in the first four weeks or
something. It's it's well, The thing is
that in regular best ball, advance rate still matters.
Even if we focus a little bit less on it, we still want good
advance rates in play at baseball.
You'd love good advance rates, but we're actually like betting.
We're actually like intentionally taking on lower
advance rates because the best way to get advance rates are to
draft teams that are like insta dead to win the tournament.
So we actually are sacrificing advance rate relative to our
opponents. And that's where Andrew's like,
play at. Baseball sucks.
Hang, hang in there. This is the week.
This is the week where it really does suck because.
This is the worst week. And then every week from now, if
you did it right, you're going to be like, holy shit.
I got 30 teams through and then twenty of them got through to
the semi. Final, that's the goal, right?
It's that now we we've like taken our medicine and now we're
going to start advancing teams better than the field and
potentially like way better than the field.
So that's, you know, we'll see. We'll see if that actually
happens, but. Depends how many fantasy points
the Kansas City Chiefs decide to score.
This week, yeah, we need some chiefs, we need some Lions to to
put up points. Yeah, if the if, if the Chiefs
score 17 points and like never get out of round one or like
never, never get out of first gear.
It's it's not, it's not great. Yeah, Jordan's asking if 50, if
150 is good. I think.
I mean, that's that's actually expected, but it's very, very
good if you built the way you're supposed to.
I was. Going to say it's if you, I
would honestly say if you built the way to have as many Super
Bowl pieces as possible, I'd find it very hard for you to
actually have accomplished that because.
Maybe a lot of Ty Johnson or something.
Yeah, it's hard. A lot of Ty Johnson, yeah, you
could do it if you had like a shit ton of Ty Johnson.
If you guys, if you guys don't mind, can I just ask you as like
a relative novice. So I've never wandered into grab
kings, that world for fantasy underdog for me, FFPC in a it
reminds me of a a documentary I watched about the great Roger
Ebert, the film critic, where a friend of his had said how he'd
worked a lifetime in Chicago when he got this huge offer to
move to New York City and right there for way, way more money.
And Ebert apparently said, I don't want to learn new streets.
At a certain point in life, you just don't want to learn new
streets. And I hear you guys talk about
DraftKings all the time. Like those are new movies?
What? No, just that was that was the
line. It's it's sort of a good
metaphor for a lot of things just to want.
To learn new streets. I like, I like that line.
Yeah. It's like I don't want to learn
a whole new city, you know? I know, I know about.
I know about. I know Chicago.
I I totally. Get it?
You don't get it. Just like.
I can't do it, but I mean you come on.
Across the country, you learn new streets.
You are up new streets, buddy. You're getting old.
If you if you don't want to learn new streets, you still got
to challenge yourself. Keep trying to challenging
yourself. I'm out here.
I'm out here recording sick. I can barely get through get
through more than two sentences without fun coming up.
You're all about new streets, then that's you learn new.
Streets. Karain is a new streets guy.
I am not a new streets guy. What I'll tell you what I'll
tell you about DraftKings best ball is it's just, it's just a
different atmosphere because you have people who don't get the
game that's being played. They're they're I would say it's
like this people sort of treat DraftKings best ball, both
playoff best ball and regular season best ball like a lottery
where they're not all that it like they don't even want to
pick the numbers. They're just like, ah, sure,
whatever. I'll enter this lottery and see
if I win later, and then you have to deal with that as their
opponent. By the way, Speaking of of of
fighting getting old much, much earlier in the show, we had a a
comet that I traded in my guitar for my vacuum.
So that's why I got up earlier, traded that, put the guitar back
in place. You got up and moved, did you?
Did you just notice it in this in the camera like you just had
the vacuum? Yeah, in the camera people are
noticing I had a vacuum behind me.
So I, I went and got my guitar because I, I watched Ronnie
Chang special last night and he's talking about how you know,
him and his wife are freezing her eggs and stuff so they can
have kids much later. So I don't want to have kids
right now. Everyone I know who has kids
looks like shit. I'm like, well, I'm not going to
beat those allegations. That's I'm probably looking like
shit, but at least, you know, I can still show that I, I did not
go full domestic. I've still got the guitars
there. Every week we want to see
something different in that corner like the.
That, that, that would be a really good bit.
Yeah, the. Fishbowl in The West Wing The
fishbowl in The West Wing There's always a different
little item in the fishbowl that referred to the rest of the
episode, so. We.
Could do that. Well, the idea of going game by
game, we've covered a few of these games pretty well already.
I don't remember exactly the context but you guys mentioned
Rashad Bateman earlier. I don't know what Flowers is
going to be going forward. Was was Bateman a bet you guys
wanted to make? Yeah, I mean, I just.
Haven't done playoff baseball for sure.
Yeah. Yeah, Flowers is done.
He, like Rotopat, made this point to Pat and I on Friday.
But like when the guy doesn't even pretend to practice, you
know, for a playoff game. That's during they they did,
they buried the report. I think that came out Friday or
Saturday. He has an outside chance to play
in the divisional round. He this is a this is a, if they
make the Super Bowl, we're getting a two week run of Zay's
going to test it out. Zay's going to play.
He might be on a snap count, but he'll be out there.
You know that. I think we're getting a Super
Bowl return. It's one of those things where
like I drafted, I kept kind of drafting Zay obviously at a
discount, but I kept drafting him playing at baseball.
And Pat said that and I was like, yeah, he's right.
The the, the way this one that he's not playing in the
divisional and he's probably not playing in the conference
championship. Game.
It's a four week injury, yeah. And they, they like, you know,
Anthony Miller, man, Anthony Miller's out there making
catches in a playoff game. How about that?
Yeah, like the, well, the thing that makes it so easy for the
Ravens is they have two really good tight ends.
You have two really good tight ends as a play caller.
The world is so open to you, man.
It it's really it's it 2 tight ends who can both catch passes
and block. And like we like to make fun of
Mark Andrews, but he can he can block like that is the number
one way to combat the two high safety make the like you you
gonna, you gonna have a like a linebacker and I say likely
doesn't work. And a defensive back is like,
these guys are like literally too big for the defensive backs
to interfere. You.
You actually see this on 3rd downs a lot.
I was actually surprised one of the third downs the Ravens
didn't convert was like a third and 13 out to Andrews, where
normally the defensive back is literally too small to jump up
and get through Mark Andrews's arms to get to the ball.
Like normally they're just literally not big enough.
It was a hell of a play. Like my God damn.
Just having two tight ends who are good is such a fucking edge.
It's crazy. He mentioned likely was that
unironic last week. I hope so.
He he did, he did make a couple of athletic catches in that game
likely. So he's good.
He's good. My favorite, my favorite way to
beat the two high this this past weekend was that Troy Franklin
play where they they ran past on the go route from the scene and
you're like, wait, we're like, you're not supposed to do that.
What do we do? Cool how Denver tried that five
more times. And by 5 more times I mean not
at all. Instead, when they got down 21
seven, they ran up the middle a couple times.
Yeah, that was that was plastic. Peyton is like, well I like
Bonex, but I don't love Bonex. We'll keep it close now we'll
just try to get out of here with our self respect.
That point, after the Johnson touchdown should.
Have been, should have been. Go ahead, Pat.
Well, you get the Peyton. It's like one of those things
where like you don't like, you don't know the score, but you're
like, they get the Troy Franklin touchdown, they get the fake
punt. You're like Peyton is cooking.
Then like you, you reveal the score.
Oh no, it's, it's not it's just the the quality between the two
teams. Let's.
Just you really don't want to have to punt 4 plays after a
fake punt that works. You really don't want to have to
do that. But how much Pickens did you
guys take? 0 Little anything I, I have them
a little on clip because on DraftKings I would go anytime I
had lions or chiefs. Once I got like the full, full
Super Bowl. I just feel like who's going to
help me advance? Who's going to help me advance?
Like I, it's one of six, like you got AI will sacrifice a
roster spot to, you know, to have Gibbs and Amanrat and Goff
come on in, in Week 2. Like give me, give me a few
A-Team, few teams like that with a dead picking spot.
Like yes, so that I, I used him, I used him for a purpose on
DraftKings mostly. I.
Think that by the end I was taking Quinton Johnson over him.
I just was like the Steelers playoff.
The Steelers equity to beat the Ravens is 0% implied probability
in the Davis Matic math model. They're they're they could have
played that game 100 times. Steelers were never winning,
which is like, I don't know, I'm probably doing it wrong, but
yeah. FFPC Did you guys ever get to
Pickens? I didn't and.
A little. Just a little, yeah.
Did he end up did? Did he end up being necessary?
Maybe not like a couple of other losers yesterday.
Yeah, because there's Pickens, there's Evans, there's Jacobs,
and then you want LAD for sure. So yeah, Pickens didn't really
separate. There's like a basket of guys
that you probably are going to need to have one of, but but it
doesn't have to be Pickens, I think.
And we'll see tonight. Good chance one of those two
teams, the losing team, has somebody in that same realm. 20
points. Well, to the to the Eagles stuff
I tend and there's no way to prove this point correct or
wrong, which is why I'm going to make it the, to me, the Eagles,
if they get the Rams in round two, I think we'll look really
good. You've got you've got a Rams
team that wants to be balanced against a really good run
defense. You have a terrible pass
protecting offensive line against the team that covers
well and can get to the passer and the Eagles defense.
And then you have a Rams defense that is bad against the pass,
but teams have ran on most of the year.
They're kind of like a run funnel, sort of like a run to
set up the pass type of defense that that works really well
against them. It's a really strong match up, I
think, for the way the Eagles want to play and then the way
the Eagles defend. So I think I think we're going
to feel like the Eagles are going to win the Super Bowl if
they get the Rams in round two. But if they get the Vikings, the
Vikings have a good run defense. They've got a guy on the other
side and Kevin O'Connell has got no problem being aggressive and
taking chances, which I think you know the right way to play
against the Eagles. And I love this point.
You, you, you know, you get a, you get an Eagles team that's a
little overly conservative. So are they going to take a
bunch of chances against the Vikings pass defense or are they
going to kind of run into the teeth of the Vikings run
defense? So I I really think what we
think next about the Eagles is going to be so dependent on who
they play next, because these matchups are quite different for
them. I love this point.
I mean, one thing about tonight is Minnesota is coming off a
very stressful game against Detroit.
They needed it. High stakes, they lose.
Now they have to travel not to LA but to Phoenix for this game.
And if it happens that the Rams just have more to give, then LA
flies home, deals with life at home at this point.
And then it's Sunday noon body clock at Philadelphia in the
cold for a team that's just, like always playing indoors.
Yeah, I think so too. I think that's a really smart
analysis for Philadelphia's sake.
And then did is Detroit happy to get Washington?
Maybe 2? I think probably yes.
I think Detroit's very happy to get Washington very happy.
I think it's a good match up for for Detroit.
I mean, Washington's a run funnel.
They have a a good, not great pass defense.
But the Lions are not they're they're one of the rare run run
first teams That's not overly conservative.
If if Daniels is putting up points through the air, they
will also take to the air like they they will play aggressive.
They'll go for on 4th down, as we know, you know, they they're
not going to they're like most of these teams that run and
that's like built around their identity.
Their identity becomes running the ball.
But the the Lion's identity is playing to win the game.
And the way they're built, that usually involves them leaning on
the run, but it doesn't have to. So I think it's a really good
match because like they're they're plan A should be very
effective here. They they should be able to to
pound the rock and then play action off of that really well
against the commanders. And back to the other game.
Remember, the Eagles and Rams did play this season in LA
Barkley a smooth 26 for 2:55 and 2:00 in that game against the
Rams, +4 for 47 through the air. Yeah, it's terrible for the
Rams. Like, it it really terrible for
the Rams. Like you'd much rather, I think
go play Detroit Lions. Yeah, because at least that you
have a chance there of, you know, like the Lions are going
to have to blitz and do all this stuff and dial up all this
pressure because their front 7 so banged up.
So that's ideal for the Rams. You know, that's like the Rams
can't protect anybody, but they got a smart quarterback.
You know, it's boom bust, but I would I would much rather play
the Lions than the the Eagles if I'm the Rams.
So it yeah, they're. Baltimore Buffalo Baltimore
Buffalo Davis Who wins? I got to think about it more
Gut. Gut is Baltimore is the better
team, but they're. So much they're.
Just. They're just so much more likely
of the two teams who's more likely to just like do some dumb
things and just like forget their identity and like it's a
third and three and they like call a screen to Nelson Agalore
for no reason. You know, like I, I, I, I, I I
feel pretty strongly that way. But like, I don't know, Joe
Brady also just like lost his mind in the week 4 game too in
prime time. So like, I don't know, I just I
feel like both these teams need to have a real, you know,
apotheosis where they just like they meet their they they meet
their fears head on and just like come through it on the
other side. So I don't.
Know what did? You ever see it happen until
next week that that's felt beating the Chiefs.
I mean that that they're waiting on that I what a.
What a loss for the loser. I know, I know.
Yeah, I, I favor the Bills because I think like in power
ratings and stuff, you probably have the Ravens slightly ahead.
I wouldn't quibble with that, but it is at Bills and I think
they're close enough to where that gives the Bills a slight
edge. And then I, I just think about
like, what team am I feeling Like, OK, I've, I've picked this
team to win. There's 3 minutes left in the
third quarter and my team's down 10.
How am I feeling? I feel so much better with the
Bills. Yes, so just.
So much better with the Bills, like the Bills.
And that's, that's like why I, I think it's very, very close.
It's kind of like tiebreaker. But to me, it's like the Bills
can win in a variety of game types where the Ravens, they can
win again, you know, I'm not saying the Ravens can only win
from ahead, but I do think they're much, much stronger
when, you know, they're kind of playing their game and playing
from ahead. Pittsburgh hit a couple of
passes, too. Like the Bills will do that.
Yeah, yeah, they're obviously very dangerous.
It's just like, I just don't think they're quite as dangerous
playing, you know, a little from behind as the Bills is, is my
point. Not that they're not dangerous,
but that's just they're both such good offenses.
The defenses, you know, the Ravens have really improved to
where their defenses looking horrible at points this season,
but but they've kind of gotten that together and they've been
strong against the run all year. And you could, you know, you
could say what the Bills like, Chuck, do you see the Bills
potentially shooting themselves in the foot a little bit here
with trying to run James Cook too much against a good run
defense or they going to be aggressive enough to win?
They that's a good question. They might, but the Ravens are
not going to get Allen. You know, they're not going to
get him on one of these plays like a pick six you saw against
Cleveland. Well, I know, but I don't think
that happens. And I think that could happen
for Jackson Davis. You have that Sunday night game
so entrenched in your mind at Buffalo, Baltimore game, that
trick play, I think. You know, I just, I literally, I
literally can't shake it, man. It's that.
It's that play that I cannot shake.
That was September 29th and you could take this as a good thing
or a bad thing for Buffalo. That is literally the Bills last
lost fumble. I take that as a good thing.
I mean, I think that the Ravens are the better one through 53
roster. I think Munkin is a very good
coach. I wonder if one of the things
that we will say is that actually having Josh just play
with like all these shitty wide receivers.
I saw yesterday. I believe no wide receiver
played more than 62% of the snaps.
And I think it was Matt Collins who led the most.
And maybe we'll end up seeing this with the Ravens too because
they Flowers was banged up. But like having, you know, and
maybe the Chiefs ruined the math on this, like, this is the
rebuilding year for the Bills. This was supposed to be the take
the medicine year. Let a bunch of our dead cap go
and we'll just, you know, kind of see what happens.
But having Josh roll out there with Keon Coleman, who's like
unreliable at best, Kaloshakir, who's like a good slot wide
receiver, but that is just kind of all he is Cooper.
I like the idea of adding Cooper.
I wonder if Hopkins maybe would have been the better move for
them at their stage in their careers because Coleman and
Cooper are kind of duplicative and they don't really have
anyone like Hopkins, just like they they just have a bunch of
guys. They just have, they just have
a, they just, you know, Curtis Samuel, you know, is, is popping
out. And I wonder if they kind of
feel that. Well, I wonder if they feel the
same way that the Packers feel, which is when you have a wide
receiver won by committee, it just means you don't have a guy
who could just go win. And it's just kind of very hard
in the NFL these days to to win that way.
The Bills are a little bit like some of these best ball teams of
ours where like, you get to this point and you have it.
And here's Samuel, who was hurt much of the season, never really
got entrenched in the offense, but he's good, he's healthy.
There's no tape and I don't know, the Ravens, that's Agalore
for them. Who is that even?
At least it's not four years ago when they dragged Dez Bryant
into this game in the playoffs. So they're a little bit ahead of
that, but still like. Yeah, yeah, I the thing about
this game that bugs me is how defining it's going to be for
whoever it's going to be. So annoying I even as someone
who likes to participate in the histrionic discourse, which I do
even, I'm going to be like, I'm not saying anything bad about
Joshua Lamar unless one of them really fucks up then I'll laugh
with everyone else. But if it's just like they both
play well it, it is going to suck Pat.
It's going to suck because it's like they, you know, the Chief,
the Chiefs win all these close games to get the one seat, you
know, and like both these guys have had such incredible
seasons. They deserve to at least make
the AFC Championship. Their their biggest crime was
being born at roughly the same time in space as Patrick Holmes.
Yeah. And it's each other, you know,
it's like, and then to be in the same conference, you know, like
you could have, you could have the the Ravens over in the NFC
side and we'd be like, oh, they're going to easily, they're
going to coast. To analyzing the 18 draft is the
gift that never stops getting. Into this how much better, how
much better is Lamar than Jalen Hurts?
And I'm a Jalen Hurts guy, but how?
He is. He's a lot better, yeah.
He's like, he's like three times better of a player than Jalen
Hurts, four times better or something.
He's a lot better. Here we go.
It'd be a great weekend, Pat Feel better.
What do you take? What do you do for a cold?
Like what's mine is the Alka seltzer, fizzy orange things
that you know, you stir in the water and then drink.
That's my #1 cold. Cold medicine draft Cold
medicine rankings. Dayquil dries, dries it all up
to me, nothing better than when the it's like a wind.
It's like it's, it's in the middle of winter and it's been,
it's been cloudy and kind of drizzling little snow.
It's like it's terrible snowing now, you know, just a few little
flakes come down. What the Hell's going on?
And then all of a sudden the sun just comes out and it's like one
in the afternoon. It's like I had a little heat to
it and you just like let it hit your face for a few minutes.
That's me. The day quilt.
It's it just the sinuses are open.
I can breathe through the nose again.
The orange caplets? Is that the word?
The Orange Day quilt. Yeah, they're way too big.
They're just way, way too big. Way too big.
Way too big, I think those orally, yeah.
I, I, I lived in, I lived in the East Coast in, in, in New York
for, you know, decades. OK, I can say this even though I
now live in city. You go.
You got to. Just east.
Coast you got to just jam zinc, vitamin C and bone broth I I
when. I'm Oh, bone broth's a good tip,
yeah. When I'm, when I'm sick, I buy
the big I'll, I'll show you guys exactly what I buy and I drink.
I drink about 42 fluid ounces of of this and it gets you back or
32 oz. I drink, I drink this, this
whole thing, but beef, beef, beef bone broth.
I'm literally writing down Davis Matic cold recipe, you know,
ideas. You are you'll.
You will be. You'll be I I.
Generally the chat is not convinced.
The chat is not conveyed. Yeah, God.
God forbid God. Forbid so bad about it.
You, well, this is you. You don't don't start sharing
alternative medicine with people online manner they'll they'll
they'll. Bone broth's good for you, man.
It's got a lot of good stuff in it.
Who doesn't like bone broth? You, you cook with it.
Is that, like you said, pig's blood or something like that?
I mean, it's not pig's blood. Bone broth, Bone broth gravy.
It's delicious, right? It's.
Literally zinc. It's literally delicious.
Like it's like actually like you'll, you'll put it in the,
you'll put it in the microwave or on the stove or whatever and
you put it back in the glass and you drink it.
It's like, delicious. It's honestly delicious.
Yeah. It's not like it's not like
liver or something where it's got like, you know, that taste
bud. It's it's.
You got like salt. There's, there's salt.
It's it's, it's really, it's really good.
I'm open to it. I'm I'm fully, I'm fully and I'm
going to get it. It's, it's Gatorade.
It's Gatorade from nature. It's literally, it's doing the
same thing for you. The Gatorade's doing.
It's it's getting, it's getting magnesium, potassium and sodium
back in your body, which is what you need when you're sick.
Maybe maybe somebody is just anti zinc.
We don't even we're assuming it's the bone broth that's the
problem. Maybe there's just anti there's
an. Anti Zinc.
Zinc. Zinc.
Yeah, You want, You want. Wasn't the zinc stuff overblown?
I thought this thing was debunked.
It's the the thing that actually gets the the thing that's
actually overblown is vitamin C once you're already sick.
OK. You you want to take it like you
want to have like vitamin C, like if you are a supplement
person do it then once you already get sick it's actually
not that helpful for you. Bone bar I wish every day fast,
also good. If you are sick, if you are sick
and you fast, generally speaking pretty good for you.
I wish we, I wish we could have closed on.
But I might die on stream, so that'll that'll be a test of of
if it's good to eat 'cause if I die on the.
Stream you should have. I wish we could have closed on
wasn't the zinc stuff overblown? But we didn't quite, you know,
stick the landing when it. Comes to that hard, hard to
close the show with Pat and I. We, we, Corrine and I did
another show on Friday together and someone in the comments said
these guys are real show elongators.
That that's just, that's just kind of what we do.
We just, we'll just, we just, we just, you know, we can't help
but. You guys are tough to close a
show with, really is. That you.
Telling me that you think so? Yes.
We are, yeah, Mike, no, because someone of the comments said
that. Do you not think that as the
host? I think we are doing, I think we
are doing just fine. And these little tangents are my
favorite part of of watching you guys wherever it is.
Thank you boys. Feel better, Pat Good luck
tonight and we'll talk next week for Pat Crane and Davis Maddock.
I'm Mike Shope, ADP chasing. Talk to you later.