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We've got coaching changes around the NFL to focus on
tonight. What's up with Joe Mixon?
I mean, really, what is up with Joe?
I'm really asking what is up with Joe Mixon, Quinshawn,
Judkins and more. You know what you get with us if
you don't find out. Peck, Rain, Davis Matic, Jacob
Sanderson. I'm not crack rock this time.
Mike show up here in Buffalo. Thanks for watching and
listening. ADP chasing February 24th.
There's nothing else to watch, 2026.
ADP chasing is for When you watch ship chasing, you go.
These guys are just football guys.
I. Have my 4% exposure blanket to
stay for actually. Back in, if it's Austin A, it's.
Share to our crystal ball. Close your eyes, you know all
your entries are going to lose anyway.
Yeah, that's fair. You're not going to tell me how
this went. I was here.
It's anti cabal, it's anti the best ball thought leader.
I'm obviously lying to some degree because like, I have a
lot of both of these guys. It's the most disgusting thing
you can make. But man, no, I'm I'm podcasting
under threat of the Jalisco Cartel.
I I don't feel comfortable showing my face in this region
while the Cartel de Jalisco Nuevo Generacion rightfully
seeks revenge for Sir Al Mencho. And as such I I must be
podcasting under anonymity. Jacob how, how, how far away are
you from Like, it's like buildings getting blown up.
Well, you don't know if it's me or not actually right now, but
if this were me under this, under this hoodie, like about an
hour. Jacob, I have some good news.
Just tell them you're Canadian, you're you'll be good.
You're good, you're good. It always works, yeah.
You actually are. It was a good fit.
It was it was a very good fit that will go down in the annals.
I, I have AI have a strong feeling that the next time Zach
does a new intro, you with your face entirely covered up with
glasses over is I I have a strong, strong feeling that's
going to make it in the new intro.
We just have to pick music that we can legally use next time.
Correct. You know, it's it's never good
to be stuck like approximately a one hour drive from an active
cartel war, but if you're gonna do it, you may as well make a
bit out of it on your fantasy football podcast.
I. Mean how much work are you
getting, guy? I feel like you got to.
Be Yeah. What's your What did your day
look like? Oh, I mean I got so much more
worked on the last day and a half than I could have possibly
thought because of two factors. Factor 1L men show and Factor 2
was the day prior to L men show. I was out surfing all day.
I was having a great time and then little did I know the sun
the sun got. The sun, Yeah, you, you have a
sunburn. You have a sunburn the likes of
which someone with your pasty skin.
You got sun mugged, you got UV mugged.
I got I got brutally sun mugged. It looked like if you took a
picture of a Canada flag but replace the Maple Leaf just with
my penis and then you rotate it at 90°.
That was what it looked like. It was just red bathing suit
where my bathing suit goes translucently white and then red
all the way rest of the dam. Jacob, Pat Jacob sounds like Pat
Jacob sounds like he doesn't know.
That's one of the slides. It's slide 5.
Yeah, we'll get to that later, Jake.
Apparently all men show leaked the photos he had of me so.
Jacob tried to Solar Max. You weren't.
You weren't ready to Solar Max bro.
I looked up this thing called Hell's Itch and it is sort of
like 48 hours after you get the sun exposure, you just start
getting this like rapid tingling and it's like it's crazy dude.
I thought I was going through like a psychosis yesterday.
Are you? Is it?
Are you? Getting the bubble.
Itching. Is it the are you?
Is the skin bubbling up? A few, a few, a few small
bubbles, I'm fine. Don't.
Well, don't worry, it'll stop fully recovery.
This is a long show. Sometimes we'll we'll get
updates as we go through the night, I think.
Yeah, Yeah, seriously. So seriously.
So I mean, the good news, the bad news is, is that, yeah,
today I, I did do like a slight walk down the beach.
I'm reintegrating myself to the sun and to the outside world.
But the, the, so that's the bad news.
I didn't get as much time outdoors.
The good news is, though, I got some time to add, you know, like
Kevin Coleman Junior to my spreadsheet or like.
Hey. Reginald, Reginald Virgil.
Reginald, Virgil. Yeah, I did.
I did this late last week. I like the Stribling.
I added Stribling. Yeah.
Stribling No don't stribling removing dude he's I have I have
a lot of thoughts on. Things I had to, I had to add
him to see if he was. If he's so, he's dog.
No, you could. I want to play, take him out.
I want to play game. I call guys that Pat and Davis
and I added to our Google Sheet today.
Does Shoape know they're a real person or, or are they?
Or are they? Are they a prospect in the 2026
NFL draft or did we just make them up like 2 days ago?
OK, it's. Really good.
All right, I. I really, I want to know before
why you set this up. Yeah, go for it.
I want to know when it was last year that we had this same sort
of jocular conversation about Harold Fanning.
And then I mentioned like, oh, that's a long lost relative of
mine. What are you asking?
Are you asking when Davis started talking about?
Yeah, when I did? Because those are two different
times. Those are very two different
conversations. You know, but it's one show.
It's one show. So I don't know.
It would have been, it would have been before this because
the first show that Karina and I did on the rookies where Ferrin
and came up was in January of 2025.
So it would have been around this time, but probably before
this specific show would be my guess.
This game is not an attempt to embarrass me, I'm sure.
How many names will there? Be it's the opposite.
It's it's an attempt to embarrass us for, for knowing
who these people are. Oh good, I can't lose that.
Well, well adjusted. That's good to know.
People like aren't aren't like me knowing who these people.
Are do I want to do badly? All right, let's go.
Let's just. You want to do badly?
All right, here we go. I'm going to give you I'm going
to give you 4 names and you need to tell me which one of these is
not actually a prospect in the 2026 NFL craft.
All right. OK.
We have Kobe, Prentice, all right.
We have Dionne Burks, we have Malik Rutherford and we have
Cyrus Rivers. 2 is fake. No, he's real.
Cyrus. Cyrus Rivers.
Cyrus Rivers is fake. I.
Think. He's fake because it's Cyrus
Allen and Eric Rivers. Malik Malik Rutherford was a
Georgia Tech wide receiver. OK, what was the one I I got
wrong? Dion Burks because my name is
Dion. Burks is like, of the four, he's
the only one that might actually be kind of even a little bit
real. OK, so whoever has the least
sort. Of I did a pod with Proton today
and he saw Dion Burks sitting at like one O 7 on the consensus
big board and he was just like no, like don't do.
That so Proton just by the way, just just so you guys know,
Proton is biased because Burks was like an all time Debbie
college football fantasy. Just before we go any further
and you're talking about bias with relation to Dionne Burks,
what school did he play for? Look this is on the same.
Page. No unbiased throat on his.
No, no. Listen, listen, no, if anything,
if anything, I have caused to be pissed at Dion Burks because he
was an all time no show during Oklahoma, you know, being a
College Football Playoff team. He just said like I don't want
to play him and Jade not he like the the Oklahoma offense the
most recent two years under like 2 quarterbacks who very
generously like might be replacement level in the UFLII
think I think that the consensus big board is more right than
than the analytics Bros on Dionne Burks because he was
insanely good his final season at Purdue.
Arch. Shope these are.
I think whoever the right the right before you talk game.
What a. Comment This would be what a.
What AI think whatever the name was, that wasn't real.
Ted Hurst should change his name to that up two rounds.
Yeah, Ted, Ted Hurst is not a wide receiver name.
It's true. Up two rounds.
Immediately, I like it, I think. It I think.
It'll Who was the big name? It was a fake name.
Well, it was kind of a trick because there's a Cyrus Allen
and there's an Eric Rivers. So I said.
Cyrus, what a compliment. What a compliment.
You thought I was. That's why.
That you got me with that, I was like, I I know both of those.
Names. I'm touching so much grass that
I still got it wrong. Davis What?
OK, I'm going to give you 3 running back prospects.
Oh boy. From from 2026.
Two of them are real. One of them is fake.
Le'veon Moss, Cam Porter and Roy Dell Robinson.
Is well, I'll let Mike go first, but I'm not even sure.
It's my turn again. It's your.
Turn. You gotta go first.
I'll say Le'veon Moss is fake. He's for sure real.
He's from A&L. The other two I don't know.
I think. I think Roy Dell Robinson is too
hard to make up, so I'll say Cam Porter is fake.
Cam Porter. Like, honestly legitimate
workhorse at Northwestern a la Evan Hall Roydell Roydell
Robinson. Is le'veon Moss one of these
sort of Rooney Mara situations where like there's a le'veon
tree and a Moss tree and there's.
Sort of. I'm almost, I, I he, he's not
quite the right age. I was going to say he's not
quite the right age where he could literally be named after,
but but frankly, not that far away because he's 22 and Le'veon
Bell his first season at Michigan State.
This is how old we are, guys. Le'veon Le'veon Bell's first
season of Michigan State 2010. That's how old we are.
I mean, Henry Lamar. Roy Dell Williams, There is a
Roy Dell. He played at Florida State.
I knew there was a Roy Dell somewhere.
There's also a Roy Dell, Pittsburgh, OK.
I'm excited, Pat. I know you agree.
I'm excited to do this next week with women's hockey players from
the Olympics. But Jacob will know all the
names. Jacob will know them all.
Do you mean he gets home safely? No, I just, I just know the men,
you know all. Right.
One more. One more for your show.
Kidding. Is this a big setup or are you
guys just doing this sort of stuff?
I think this is just fun. This is just fun for us.
I think this. Is I'm winning by last?
February podcasting show. Yeah, I'll do one more.
One more for your show, but I'm gonna give you 4 tight end names
One of them is not real. Oh God.
Daquan Wright, John Michael Gillenburg, Justin Justin Jolly
or Kenny Utah The. First one's fake.
No, he goes to all this. The 4th 1's fake.
Yeah, Kenny, you, Tommy? Yeah.
Kenny, you Tommy's fucking fake. I'm trying to.
Make it so. Easy.
The third, third one is NC State.
I don't actually know the second one.
What? Who's that?
Good acting on the 2nd. 1 John Michael Gillen Gillenborg.
The way you move your head on your second one, I've never.
Seen Wyoming, I've never even Yeah, a real.
Person because we're gonna draft a Wyoming.
Colby Colby Parkinson is a descendant of Colby Parkinson
from Wyoming tight end lore. All right, so I won by getting
them all wrong. Correct.
You've been outside. You have a lot of you've been
outside recently. Yeah, well choke.
'S been doing great. I'm just killing it out here,
going to Canada every other day for hockey tournaments and
whatnot. Listen, no, aren't you have a
lot of? Tournaments in the States Now
didn't we forfeit our right to host hockey tournaments despite
winning by three and XG. Oh my God.
When will they award the gold medal in XG?
That's all I'm asking. Look, as someone who has been
closely following every like footstep Nathan McKinnon has
made for the last since 2014, the the the Nathan McKinnon
third period like effective empty netter that he sent wide.
I mean, I was rooting for the United States, but I, I felt for
him, 'cause I was like, that screenshot is going to follow
Nathan McKinnon around basically until, until he's no longer on
this mortal coil. I mean, that was that was hard
to watch. For some, for some.
Yeah, my, my my comment is yeah. He also gets bodied on the
winning goal. By the way, I think Macar Macar
doesn't Sprint back because he knows it's his teammate are
going to be winning. Nathan.
McKinnon who's going to win that?
The one no one wants to say it, but the guy who's most at fault
on the on the game-winning goal, in my opinion is unfortunately
Mr. 97 because Macar makes a very like people were blaming
him for the pinch that. Has his 4% McDavid security
blanket. People were blaming the car for
the pinch. What we doing like in my
opinion, it was a completely reasonable pinch if he gets.
It's about football, McKinnon kind.
Of bungles the play along the boards, but like, what are you
going to do? It happens.
McDavid is just fully cheating for offense and let's let's
Hughes just you know what? You know what, pal?
What? Looks like sleep maxing.
Did any? I'm rematching bro before we
actually. Do content I promise for me.
Have any of you guys watched big the franchise Big Brother
before? Sure.
I'm familiar with the concept. Yeah, like Pat looks like when
whenever they're like outside the house and they're about to
compete in an HOH competition and they have like the big wall
of like shrubbery behind. That's to me what Pat looks like
in this. In this.
They're about to do a live head of household competition.
In incorrect he looks he looks like Nick Steamy from Grey's
Anatomy on like a like age. Was he the one that died or was?
That aged up Mcsteamy is like 20 years older than.
Me in the in Grey's Anatomy in the first season of Grey's
Anatomy, he's like 20. 25 I thought.
You were talking about this. I'm saying, I'm saying you look
like Mixdimi. Now, I and the only reason I
know this is because I've been watching golf on TV and they
keep showing the commercial for some show that Mixdimi.
I mean, he's still Korean. He's still very handsome.
He's still Mixdimi. All right.
OK. My turn Which of these 4
contestants on the Traitors Australia Season 1 is fake?
My wife has been watching Traders.
Yeah, I watched the US version. Well, if you want to see better
handwriting Australia. Angus, Alex.
But you got to give us, you got to give us last initials for
this to be true reality. I only got the first name.
We don't have that in Australian traders, Angus.
OK. Is it?
Traitors or traitors? What is this?
Traitors, Mike in order to in order to probably.
Cast. Yes, I was right.
Mcsteamy did just die. He did. 48 Davis Are you saying
I like a dead guy? What?
The fuck? Oh, sorry Mcdreamy.
Sorry I. Mcdeamy.
Mcdeamy, Mcdeamy. Mcdeamy.
MC Davis kept insisting that
our. Apologies to Mcdeamy and our
apologies to Mcdreamy for just yeah.
RAP Mcdeamy I did not know that's a.
That's in order. In order for me to guess
correctly, I need you to do them in an Australian accent, yeah.
I won't. Please.
We should get. We should get to business.
I will not. No, go ahead, go.
Ahead I do. Not I need you to press Angus
Alex. Angus, Alex.
Nothing that's happened yet has had has met with my approval and
neither will the first slide. I mean, I love Canada.
I had nothing to do with the making.
I disown the first slide of tonight's presentation.
Wow. Although, although I to be
clear, Jacob is very much not from bum fuck, he's from a very
large metropolis, like Metropolitan, yeah.
He's from 2. One of one of the nicest cities
in the world, frankly. Yeah, Coming.
Yeah, he did. He did start a cartel war
though. Yeah, I mean it.
It was suspiciously right after the gold medal game.
Fumble dream French woman is pretty good.
That's the one. Yeah, that that side is
unfortunately wrong. I was going to London, England,
not to Toronto, but other every was.
Otherwise it's correct. Well, she was from Toronto.
Was that what it was? Montreal.
France. Oh, France.
That's she was from France. OK, Yeah, yeah, I thought.
If she was if she was from Toronto then it would be weird
that she was so French. Unless you think all Canadians
are just French. I think they're all kind of
vaguely French, yeah. Yeah, I'm just the Americanized
version. Anybody for risers?
Incredible work on the sly. I stayed up late for this.
Javonte Williams signing with Dallas, Mecca, Buca, Omar
Cooper, Junior, Interesting. Mike Evans.
Who would be the perfect Bill? Mike Washington, George Kittle?
Malachi Fields? Xavier Worthy?
Bryan Robinson, Davis. Who jumps out?
I mean the Omar Cooper Junior thing is very funny because you
can tell this is like kind of non organic in the sense that he
goes from unranked and Daniel Jeremiah's first 50 to 19th
overall. Also it it does just go to show.
Non organic. Like non organic in the sense
that. The podcast didn't push it.
No, we've all, we've all known who this guy, you know what it
you know what it feels like to me, Karen?
This feels like Kyle Williams, the sequel to me.
It feels like more more like Matthew Golden.
Both bad Which? Is worse.
Yeah, yeah. Which which is worse?
I mean, one of them went in the first round and one of them went
in the third round. So I I think I don't there's
like this gigantic second tier at wide receiver in this class.
And I actually don't think that like Denzel Boston is like an
amazing prospect or that like so like I if you're going to take a
non Tyson Tate lemon, I don't have them in that order.
But those three, those guys, if you're going to take a non one
of those guys in the first round, to me, it'd probably be
Concepcion would be like the guy I'd be most interested there.
But if it's not him, I don't really care who it is.
Like they're they're probably all a bit of a reach in the
first round. So I don't think it's like, I, I
don't know, I, I just doesn't seem that strange to me that one
of these guys from a very deep group of guys who are probably
more like late second round or early third round kind of level
receiver prospects would jump up into the first on some kind of,
you know, some agreement among NFL teams on on this guy being
the best of the rest. I mean, this is the vibe I have.
You tell me you're probably more vibed in both both you and and
Davis is like there's three guys who are 100% going around 1
barring like a disaster, right? Those guys are locked in.
We know who they. Are, and I think Tyson avoided
the disaster, by the way, by just saying I'm not going to
run. Right.
Yeah. And then I think like probably
your next best bets purely on draft capital to get first round
draft capital are are your Concepcion in Boston.
And they're probably like at least reasonably safe around
2:00. But like I still think they're
kind of in this morass with like Zach Branch and Omar Cooper and
Elijah Sarat and Chris Brazil. And then like after that, it
seems like everybody else is probably a like their range is
what like the mid to late Round 2 all the way to it's round
five. And we're wondering why they're
still on the board like a like a human or last year like then.
It feels like it's kind of wide open.
Yeah, I think that's right. I mean, I think like Jeremy
Bernard, I'm not sure exactly where he, he's probably in that
last group you said, or Chris Bell and Elijah Sarat probably
in the last because Bill had the had the ACL.
But yeah, it all could have been late. 1 potential I think if you
didn't get the ACL. He was getting that buzz anyway.
Yeah, but yeah, I mean, Cooper, he does like he seems like a
fairly versatile type of player. It doesn't jump out to me as
like a great prospect or anything, but I don't know, like
I'd like to take first round wide receivers who are free and
he's free. So like get into the one 50s and
you want to take a receiver who's like very live to go in
the first round of the NFL draft and if not, pretty, pretty good
bet to go in the second round. Seems like a good way to play
it. Yeah, I'm, I'm in, I'm in on
Omar Cooper Junior. Now my fear is that after, you
know, everyone gets home from Indianapolis and the
intelligentsia start to like, oh, he's going in the first
round, is that we get, like a pretty bad Omar Cooper junior
price tag for sure, yeah. I mean, and then like, if he
does go in the first round and it's like, no, dude, he's like,
trust me, he's the number one wide receiver on whatever team.
Do you wanna know? Do you wanna know I'm?
Willing to bet against that? I don't think he's very, very.
Great. Well, do you wanna know that the
out that that both he and Sarat have is that the Raiders then
pick again at the top of the second round with Mendoza on the
roster? And there's like I would assume
my read of the situation is that Mendoza is like, please give me
one of my guys. Like I would like that.
I could I would really like that.
I would really. Appreciate it.
What if he goes to John's five tech?
He's like, actually, Charlie Becker's better than both these
jabronis. Well, and I mean, you want to,
you want to really get your wind tourist antennas up.
The Raiders do not have a backup running back on their roster,
and both Kaylin Black and Roman Hemby look like day three guys.
We talked about that last week, like that's James Conner.
It's going to be James Conner or somebody like that, some sort of
a culture veteran to go with Gente.
I think love that. I mean, it's happened before the
quarterback wide receiver correlation.
Sometimes it busts, but I could see it.
No, I would say, I would say it actually happens a a good chunk
of the time where where the quarterbacks want to bring their
guys. Troy Franklin.
I mean, that was later round with Nick's, yeah.
That's a good one. Lawrence and Lawrence and etn.
No. Isn't he brothers with Tess
Johnson? Oh, maybe.
But he, yes, he's brothers with Tess Johnson, but he's, he was.
He was teammates with. He was a.
Teammates with Troy Franklin. OK, sorry, right.
But as Nope, as you said that that James Conner thing, I just
it just hit me that we're going to have to deal with the summer
of like James Conner or whatever other veteran back.
Is going to. Is going to.
Talked in the Charbonnet role because the Kubiak, they're
going to be like, yeah, we envision a similar split to what
we did with Walker and Charbonnet.
We're going to have to just deal with that shit all summer.
Be a lot of guys. Could be Nixon.
Well, I don't know. I don't know what would be more
frustrating like, like it would be the narrative would frustrate
me greatly. But in the World War that
narratives like what's what will be more annoying?
The narrative? Or when we've drafted 27% Ash
and Genti, it turns out the narrative is true.
Well, that the second one will definitely be more annoying,
Yeah, but the. Narrative.
I'll be more annoyed by the narrative.
As it's happening. And then when, when gentie's
like getting 55% of the snaps, I'll be like, there's no way to
see this coming. Like imagine there's no way
imagine a week, imagine a week 3 when like I'm DM ING you and
Davis and I'm like, look at look at this Sean Mitchell tweet.
He just, he just said, you know, don't shoot the messenger.
But like, it turns out that Joe Mixon is indeed playing 44% of
the snaps for the Las. Vegas, I'm looking forward to
the week 7 message of do you guys want to start Ashton Gente
or Sean Tucker this week? Oh my gosh.
Oh no. You guys have a take on?
What the Williams the. Williams contract is worth for
his like established value as the Cowboys #1 like is it that
good contract is it? Oh, I mean, he's like, yeah,
he's he's like the 12 fives paid running back in the NFL now he.
It's yeah, it worked that well. Yeah.
So is he going to end up at 50 or better?
Oh no, higher. That's a that's a third round
FFPC main event there. He's going to end up way higher
because I would take him at 50. And I know that like, right, the
capacity for people who actually want to click Joao Ante
Williams, I just know is a round higher than whatever I'm willing
to say. And I'm looking at 50 and I'm
like, hit the fucking smash button.
So like, surely his actual ADP has got to get up to like. 20
You know what? You know what?
Would be got to be a buffer between what I would pay.
Yeah, You know what would be really funny, though?
Would be if this was finally the year that the Cowboys took a
running back that all the nerds liked.
Like they've just totally ignored the running back
position. And.
Then and. Then running back that all the
nerds like, shouldn't they? Yes, they should.
Who exactly is Ted Williams? Emmett Emmett Johnson is the
nerd running back this year. I actually think it's I'm not
convinced he's good. I don't think I'm not.
I think maybe Jonah Coleman could be the nerd running back.
Is he? No, no.
His receiving yards per team pass attempt.
Is I don't like, I don't like, I like Coleman a lot more than.
Johnson, Emmett Emmett Johnson ran the most pass routes of any
draft eligible running back last year.
He he just like, is like. What happened on those routes?
Well, he got targeted. A decent amount. 14% receiving
Dominator rating for Nebraska. Emma, Emma Johnson is like, is
just Rashad White. Like he, he, that's.
Exactly what I was going. To say yeah, Rashad White was a
way better prospect than Emma Johnson.
He can run roads, he has size but like his breakaway stuff is
brutal. His yards after contact is
brutal, his like missed tackles force is super mid.
Like all all he's he's like a bad runner who can past catch a
bit. I don't know.
He's like, he's like 29 year old Semaj P Ryan, but like he's not.
One, Rashad White does have a meaningful higher a meaningfully
higher slap score than Emma Johnson.
Well, if you're trying to establish who the nerd running,
yeah. Rashad White was like.
He's very well decent. Breakaway guy, No sorry.
Decent tackle breaker. Elite yards per out run.
Elite like receptions per game. That was a backfield dominator
had size. Rashad White was a pretty good
prospect. You know he's not like the most
fun running. He also, like Rashad White, had
a 9.87 wrasse. Like Emma Johnson would kill to
be Rashad White. Was Rashad White a better
prospect than James Cook? Probably.
I mean, I think from a purely fantasy football perspective,
yes, cuz he, Rashad White was like a really box checking
prospect in terms of just like size and volume and all the
metrics and stuff. In terms of like who I think
projected as the more impactful NFL player, I think definitely
James Cook. But interesting how he did it
right Jacob? Like he didn't do it by catching
the ball he led the league in. Russia No, like James, James
Cook I think had like a a narrow pathway to fantasy success that
he's obviously hit, but like that pathway depended on him
being awesome. Whereas Rashad White is the kind
of prospect who could be mid and still be very fantasy viable,
and he has indeed been both mid and fantasy viable.
Yeah, I mean, he early, he lost his job what, in his third
season, but he had 3rd, 4th season, I think he was fourth, I
can't remember third, he lost his.
Job. He was behind Fournette year 1.
He was the starter year 2. Year.
Two yeah, fantasy metrics socked, and then yeah, he got
place midway through Year 3. He was like a fifth round pick
year three. It was a terrible pick, but he
was a pretty good pick in that year too, because he's a very,
very fantasy friendly profile. He's just not very good.
But imagine. He was good.
Speaking of the Bucks, Mike Evans, We talk about him in
Buffalo a lot lately. I mean, he'd be such a cool
bill, right? I mean Hall of Fame, I'm.
Convinced No, no, I, I do. I completely agree with you, but
I'm convinced that people didn't know he's a free agent to start
the year or just didn't think they would.
He would get out of Tampa Bay. But Tampa Bay's been like, you
know, compared to where they were last year with Chris
Godwin, where they were like Godwin's going to be a buck for
life and all that stuff. Evans, they were like, we
thought you were going to retire, dude, I guess see you
later, you know, so like it does seem like he's going to get to
the open market no problem and potentially sign with a team
like the Bills. I mean, he would be pretty great
value at at 69, you know? 66 He's still too low.
What else is possible outside of he either goes back to Tampa,
which I mean, the spin was I'm ready to leave if somebody will
have me for $30 million a year for two years or something, or
he goes to a winner. There's nothing else that's
going to happen here. Like he he's not going to you
know who. What if?
What if the Eagles trade A.J. Brown and they just find Mike
Evans? I mean, it seems like eagles.
Management. But.
They could. I mean, he's, he's wherever he's
going to go, is going to be a Super Bowl contender, right?
Like you're Mike Evans. You're not like you're Mike
Evans. You've won a Super Bowl, you
have a bunch of stats. You're going to the Hall of Fame
already. You're not going to go play on
on like the Arizona. Cardinals.
Like, right? Exactly.
That's my. Point you have, you have money
like so it's going to be the bills, it's going to be the
Patriots. What if the Bears trade DJ Moore
and he signs with the Bears? You like that?
Yeah, You can sign with the bears, I think.
He's a little it seems I was going to.
Say, like I was going to say, I think they, I think ideally they
would want someone who does what DJ Moore does, but without 30%
of the snaps containing 0% effort, I think is the ideal.
They actually are they are they good with 25% of the snaps
because they got Lucas verdict? Well, Luther Burden has effort.
He just doesn't have focus. That's that's fair.
That's. Fair I'll I'll buy Evans all day
here at. 60 he's running. He's running the wrong Rd.
So, so I, I've been, I've been fighting this war with the
sidekick like every draft, all, all spring, because I, I start
to get, I start to get. Big.
I, I start to get the really, we're, we're, we're, we're
talking about a 33 year old wide receiver who just had his so
before last season, his career yards per target was over 9.
In eight games last season, he generated 5.9 yards per target.
He will be switching teams for the first time in his career.
You know what, you know what this starts to enter in my head.
Julio Jones in a Titans jersey, Dez Bryant in a Ravens jersey,
Emmett Smith and a Cardinals jersey.
I'm not saying that is, but I start to get the the vibes of
like Patrick Ewing and a Raptors jersey.
Like I it's not something I I want to be courting too heavily.
Does does switching teams matter when you play it on the box?
And so therefore you've had like 17 different quarterbacks and.
14 offensive. Coordinators.
They've been organizationally committed to giving him stats.
They they they ran a play that could have eliminated them from
the postseason if it had gone poorly.
The entire defense knew he was getting the ball.
If that ball gets intercepted, they do not make the postseason.
That is how committed they were they this fucking 1000 yard
streak. Like his numbers have been stat
padded because he was such an important buck.
Come on, his numbers in that in the 2024 was that important at
the very end they they tried to get him to 1000 yards to keep a
streak alive. But his numbers have not been
stat padded like consistently like he there was like one game
where they literally stat padded to to hit 1000 yards.
I don't think that it's it's fair to just generalize that and
say his numbers are stat padded in Tampa Bay.
I've been very. Very I'd say he's one of the
least stat padded wide receivers.
Like he's, he's like a grown man expertise.
'Cause it it's all, it's all ethical.
It's all it's all ethical. Dude, he's doing, he's doing
real wide receiver stuff. It's it's ethical hooping.
I, I would just say, I would just say this, if at the end of
the year Mike Evans ends up as you know, Memorial Titans wide
receiver or whatever, no one, not one person is surprised like
it. I would be surprised.
I would be. Surprised Why is Mike Evans
Titans? Look, he when he came back from
injury, he looked like Mike Evans and now he hits free
agency and a bunch of teams could really use Mike Evans.
Like there there's an I mean, even like the Ravens or
something like that. Like it doesn't have to be the
Bills, but it could be the Bills and that would be pretty
awesome. You know, it could be the
commanders, it could be it could be the Patriots.
There's a number of teams that got money to spend and have a
pretty big Mike Evans hole in the offense.
So I don't could be Seattle. I I don't see why Evans, who has
been in the league since 2014 and has been paid well and has
never gotten a ring, Why, why would he be chasing, you know,
30 million instead of 24 or something instead of getting the
chance to make a Super Bowl run? Right, so one ring, but yes,
totally. Oh, I'm sorry, I I stole his Tom
Brady ring, but I mean, but yeah, so he's got 1 ring but.
Why would 22 week 17? Why wouldn't you go play, you
know, for the best team that that wants you And I think there
will be teams that want you. So to me, I'm like this could be
this could be a Devante Adams who were getting not.
But you're and you're. Getting a big discount on on
that kind of thing where like if if Mike Evans lands on the
Bills, he's not going to be going in the 60s, he's not going
to be going in the 50s. He might be going in the 30s.
I'm not real interested in that, but I'd love to take him now.
Me too. While a lot of that risk is
priced in. Yeah.
And I'm sorry I stole his ring. He does have a ring.
But it was, it kind of made my point stronger if he didn't.
So, you know, I just decided he didn't.
We know that about you. We've also been doing.
This for enough. Years now to know that like the
market, the market is so irrational with how it prices
uncertainty such that if Mike Evans goes to like a below
average to bad landing spot, his base will just like stay the
same or even like rise 2 points because it'll be like Mike Evans
signed a contract like better draft him, whereas he does go to
the bills. It's rocket ship.
But like people literally are just so uncomfortable uncertain.
There's man like, he's a free agent like.
Yeah, Anything good? Like, yeah.
That he might retire, I mean, even if he goes to like he said
he's. Playing I think that's a crappy
landing spot, but like I don't think it would meaningfully
shift his ADP down much. I think he'd go up.
I think he'd move up. Yeah, yeah.
I I think a lot of landing spots he moves up now granted the
Titans, he goes down. No one wants him to go to the
Titans, but like, well. If he goes to the Titans.
Why would he go there? That's that's like going to the
farm upstate. Right, there are there are
downside elements to him for sure.
It could it could not pay off and he could land somewhere
awesome and go in the third round, fourth round all summer
and completely bust in the sixth round.
The sixth round picks are dead as well.
But you know, I just think there's upside to the profile
and we're getting a big discount on it where I think he's
probably more likely than not going to go later.
Let's move to fallers. So Rashi Rice, of course, Travis
Hunter. We'll get to Travis Hunter.
Stefan Diggs, Keyshawn Booty, Elijah Sarat, Devon Valet,
Kenyan Sadiq, Jalen Coker, Katron Allen Jacob.
Where are you at on Travis Hunter?
Like we talked about him last week.
I I mean, I think unfortunately I'd rather not be martingaling
this, but unfortunately I think he's a really good back at that
ADP. He's most of the reports to me
First off are like largely people guessing from context
clues in my opinion, more than they are like very direct
reports. Now I agree with those contracts
clues. Now I James.
Gladstone said he's playing more corner.
No, that's not exactly what he said.
He said we're going to see a focus on more of corner.
He didn't, he didn't go into snaps.
He didn't say anything specific. He said there's going to be more
focus on corner of this season. Now I I agree like I can read a
depth chart just like anybody else can.
I think he's clearly going to be 4th if if this is their team in
week 1, I think he will be 4th on their team in wide receiver
snaps and he'll play more corner snaps in wide receiver.
But like again, this range of the draft at 1:50, I mean, look
at some of these rookies for drafting.
Like I would bet that there's a pretty good chance that Elijah
Sarat is also 4th on his team in snaps in week 1.
Or like several of these other players are like fighting for
snaps and rolls on their team. So if if you were telling me the
entire season he's just their wide receiver for and his price
is 150, that's like cheaper than Dantavian Wicks was as a wide
receiver for which is a patent. That's true because we thought
that he was good. I'm 1,000,000% more confident in
Travis Hunter's talent than I am in Dantavian Wicks is and you
still get for free all the rest of the offseason for the reports
to change or for Brian Thomas junior trade.
And I'm just thinking that's likely.
But it's like some percentage of the chances.
And then you also get all of the entire season for someone to
sprain an ankle, someone to pull a hammy.
Oh, we, we, you know, Parker Washington's out for three
weeks. We need someone else to step up.
Oh, look, Travis Hunter's playing 75% of the roads this
week, and he looks awesome. So maybe when Parker Washington
comes back, we're just going to keep him at 75% of the routes
like, and even if he just stayed there before, he's still a bunch
of his time plays. So I, I think you're, I think
150 would make him like a slightly bad pick if you knew
that his role was going to be rotational wide receiver for all
17 weeks. And it still seems to me like
you're getting a ton of free upside on top of that.
So I, I'm, I'm going to be drafting a lot of them again,
unfortunately. I'll tell you what I like Davis
about Hunter is I think there's some chance Jacksonville is
really good and if their front 7 is dominant, they can do
whatever they want with him going into next year.
I mean, it's Jacksonville. So it's a little bit of maybe a
little bit tough to imagine, but they did win 13 games I think
just now and he was hurt last. Season.
Yeah, yeah. I think they could have like a
dominant team and they get big plays out of him.
He's like Shaheed, only better and on a better team, kind of.
Yeah, I mean, I think the the thing of it being Jacksonville
too, I mean, this is a a new regime.
Liam Cohen, he looks really good.
And they they end kind of keeping the the band together
there mostly. So yeah.
I mean, I, I like being invested in Jacksonville.
I like being invested in a player who I think is really
talented, and then it's like. Kind of this weird situation
where he's so talented. He also plays corner and that
hurts. And you know, Parker Washington
has kind of come out and been a guy who deserves to play, you
know, but there is this there's there's some potential that they
trade Thomas. I don't think they will, but
it's it's not, you know, completely out of the the realm
of possibility and that would change things pretty
dramatically. I do think that outside of a
Thomas trade, though, his his upside is like a little bit
muted, you know, where it's like, yes, he can get out there
and he can he can kind of return to what we were hoping a little
bit more last year. But it is hard to see him like
being the number one, you know, on the team in any real way.
And so, you know, compared to some of the, you know, the picks
when you get into the early double digit rounds, it's
actually a little less exciting that way.
But man, he, he's really starting to fall now.
So, you know, when you get down to like 150, it's like, OK, well
now I don't even need like the access to this guy being like a
true week in weekend, week in, week out, like fantasy starter.
I mean, look, man, if you're, if you're buying, if you're buying
5th 6th round Parker Washington and not buying 14th round Travis
Hunter, I have a 2021 NFT to sell ya.
Like come the fuck on. This is it's this is basically
the most obvious by he was the number two pick in the NFL draft
last year. Like it, it, it's just like you
you'd have to, you'd have to be legitimately like not understand
the activity that we're doing to not be like, well, yeah, most of
my fourteenth round picks are going to suck anyway.
So I might as well take the guy who has like exponential, he's
got exponential upside in in like, I mean, he might just be a
0, but like, you know who else is probably going to be a 0 I.
Actually don't think he'll be a zero though like he's.
Going to be a 0. He's going to have design
touches. He's going like he's going to
have at least a couple, maybe you know, a handful of times
where he like puts up solid scores even if he's mostly
playing cornerback. So I think he's there's like a
little bit of safety of something.
There's safety of something, right?
And when you get down to the 1:50, there's not a lot of guys
where there's any kind of safety at all for Hunter.
You're protected a little bit by like this dude was the number
two pick in the draft and a really, really good wide
receiver prospect. Well, you have exactly Pat.
You have Booty who's 2 picks later on a team with tons of cap
room that'll want a free agent and has two or three other guys.
I mean, who would you rather have?
Yeah. Like to me, to me, all of
Hunter's, all of Hunter's negative stuff is like very
priced in which like it's often diminished how concerning that
is. But like all of the idea that
he's going to be primary corner, 4th wide receiver seems really
priced in at 1:50 in a way that like, yeah, all these other
guys, you have a lot of risk of team signs, a free agent right
on top of them, draft somebody right on top of them, all that
stuff. And like, so much of the upside
is is, yeah, people get injured in front of him.
The reports just change over the course of the summer when they
get into camp. Thomas gets traded, all all that
stuff. And, and I agree, like, I think
the worst case, I mean, I guess the worst case would be that he
plays literally 0 wide receiver, but I think that's really
unlikely. I think that they drafted him at
2 with a commitment that they're going to play him in some
capacity on both sides. And exactly what that balance
was going to be was up in the air.
But he's he's going to have snaps on offense.
I think your worst case is that he's like a Chief's Nicole
Hardman type of guy. I.
Think I was going to say like like. 35% route rate, he gets a
few design touches, he gets a couple go balls like and most
weeks that's nothing but like every 4th week in best ball 18
points like. Yep.
Damn, I stand by like we will just never see it in the NFL.
But I I I stand by with remarkable conviction that if he
ever gets a chance to be a full time wide receiver in the NFLI,
still think he's an absolute stuff.
No, I think he's AI think he's a yeah.
I mean, the, the receiving efficiency and stuff wasn't,
wasn't great last year, but like the timing of the injury was
like worst case scenario it, it seemed like, you know, it was
just about to, to finally show something on a consistent basis
and then he goes down South. Right.
He had the big game in England against the Rams garbage time,
and then it was over pretty much after that.
So yeah. Right.
And then Parker Washington does does really well, you know, in
the exact role that he was playing.
So I don't know, I think there was quite a bit more on the bone
in this rookie season that we we probably would have seen.
But so I I I wasn't quite as talking to Jacob Marvin, but I
but I think he's very. Marvin Mims is a good comp.
Actually. Kevin just said it in the chat.
It's like, yeah, kind of Marvin Mimsy.
Marvin Mims but like, where you have more confidence that that
kind of role is going to be there and like, he won't get
like, phased out because he's just better.
He's just better than Marvin Mims.
You better. So yeah, or memes didn't go
number two overall. Like there's some, there's some
like baseline level of like we're going to keep trying.
That comes with trading up for a guy and taking him second in the
NFL draft. Davis what's the path forward
with Rashi Rice? Like what's going to happen
legally, draft capital wise or ADP wise?
Like where are we going with Rice?
I mean, his ADP is going to keep falling until there's news one
way or the other. And there probably isn't going
to be news one way or the other is, is my guess.
Yeah. So I'm, I mean, honestly, I
would say like all the legal minds, we have one with us right
here. But Drew Davenport did well.
Drew Davenport over here, Drew Drew Davenport kind of did the
the classic hedge your bets where he's like, I don't think
he's going to be suspended. It would be very abnormal if he
was suspended. The NFL does not move on these
civil cases, but there are extenuating circumstances
because he's literally a felon who's literally on probation and
literally supposed to serve 30 days of jail time.
So I'm not going to take him. But also the events that
transpired that are currently dealing with this civil case
took place prior to his legal incident took place prior to his
probation took place, prior to his negotiation with the NFL.
So you then you kind of get into like a double jeopardy style
situation. Not the double jeopardy applies
to an NFL suspension, but all that is a long way to say that
I, I, I would be a little surprised if he was suspended.
I guess the interesting thing is, and I'd be curious Jacob and
Pat's thoughts on this. I think he either just gets like
the total ban hammer like Goodell.
Goodell says, Goodell says get the fuck out.
You're at year 2 years, you know, or or is not suspended at
all. That seems to be my vibe as well
because if they if they don't want to suspend, it's very easy
to not suspend. Their precedent is to not
suspend players during civil cases like this.
If this was if this was any other player with no history, I
think your risk until until or unless criminal charges were
brought would be near 0. The only reason there's a risk
is because he's such a high profile player and he's a repeat
offender. And so I agree.
I think like it's not like Rodger Cadell could could come
up and say four games, right? Like the union would grieve
that. The union would have good reason
to grieve that. There's no real precedent or
something like that. So to me, it's likely either,
you know, we're putting you on the exempt list because we don't
want to be associated with the Rashi Rice business anymore
because we think you're a piece of shit, or it's just, you know,
perpetuity of of nothingness. So.
Yeah, I mean, I don't get hit with six games, right?
That's the number last. Year, I would be very surprised
if we. Got and they wanted more people
wanted to to put to lay the hammer like there's.
Yeah, I mean, there's no reason for the NFLI think to announce
anything until they have to. So like I, I would unless
there's like something that comes out new, it's like why
would the other dealing with this kind of until the summer,
because they might as well just learn as much information as
they have to before they have to face.
Back. And then, you know, the the
claim is like or anything, see why it would the NFL certainly
never going to come out because they never do this ever and say,
Hey, you know, we're not going to suspend this guy never right,
Right. They they just like, why would
they do that? Because it's something else.
That that's definitely not happening, yeah.
Also, they're going to want the Chiefs bag.
They're going to want the Chiefs bag.
Sorry, Jacob, I'm not trying to talk over you, but your
connection is bad. Oh.
Yeah, Jacob, I apologize. You're starting to really break
up. I, I'm, I'm in agreement with,
with Jacob. Then like if the NFL wants to,
they basically are like picking a fight with the NFLPA and
stuff. Or, you know, it's just like
going to create. Why would you come in and be
like, yeah, we're doing 2 games, We're doing four games.
It's like you're going to come in and be like, no, you're done.
You're, you're out for the year, you know, or, or longer like if
you're gonna, if you're gonna do the like, Roger Goodell can
decide whatever he wants at any time.
He's the ultimate authority. And you guys all just live in
Goodell's world. If he, if he's gonna pull that
move, he he's gotta like pull it for a huge suspension.
Otherwise, just don't have the fight.
Don't right, because they they're protect if they don't
want to have the fight, they're protected by the fact that this
is civil. They've got plenty of precedent
here. They don't have to suspend them
so. You know, You know what?
Else I think it's it's unlikely to get suspended, but if he does
it's probably for the whole year.
I I just add too when this can be wrong, but does the NFL have
to? It's a relative thing, but does
the NFL have the problem right now with its image and violent
players or criminal elements in the league?
I don't think they really do. I think Rice, I mean, of course
he's not alone, but at other times through the years, they've
had more of an image problem and that's when you might expect
them to lay the hammer. I don't think they really have
that right now. I don't know what they do have,
but unless we get sort of other things over the course of the
offseason, I don't think Rice is going to be that big of a story
in. A league, so it's.
National Way. It's, it's kind of interesting
because obviously the Chiefs are the marquee team, right?
They have the biggest * they got Taylor Swift, they got all this.
Does that help or hurt Rice's case?
Like to know that like you're going to be on national TV 10
times? Big way I.
I think it hurts a big way. I agree.
I don't, I would say. Like they're they're not like
they are the especially, especially because Travis Kelsey
sounds like he's returning for another year now.
So they like they could have who?
Could have possibly predicted that.
They're they're the friends and family Taylor Swift team, right,
Like for sure they're the team that the NFL is using to market.
It's it's brand to as many non traditional football followers
as possible. Like do do you want?
You know, I've been waiting all day for Sunday night to come on
and it's like the first, first like player highlight is that.
Would be surprising. Rashi Rice.
Like, it's, it's like, it's like.
And Rashi Rice is returning from a suspension.
Oh, what was he suspended for? What was he suspended for?
It's funny he's not returning from.
That that's that's not the NFL. He's but he's not returning from
a suspension anymore. And I just don't think, sad to
say it, but I don't think that really resonates.
I don't think that's like a sort of a deal breaker for NBC or the
NFL. Never has been.
No, no, I agree. I agree show.
I think the other thing for Rice that that would be bad is if the
Chiefs, we're like, we want to get out of the rushy Rice rice
business, but. They're they're not paying him.
You can, you could, but you could sit.
You could, you could bet your bottom dollar he's not getting a
second contract with the Chiefs. And you know what else I'm
starting to think? Starting to think Mackay, Lemon,
Carnell, Tate, Jordan, Tyson. Yeah, well, they should add
anyway, right? They should be.
I mean, they've been they've been tied to Jeremiah Love, but
why not add a receiver? That seems like like Tate would
really change that often. Dude, the the the Jeremiah love
the Jeremiah love scuttlebutt, by the way, is starting to get
like loud. Like there's a lot of I, I, I
read her, I. Think that would be a shame to.
I've I've been thinking, I've been thinking that's fake.
I've I've been penciling them in.
That's why I've been avoiding rice because I think that the
suspension risk is real. But I think last year you done
the legal stuff is illegal stuff.
But if he plays, he's getting targeted a million times.
Good, awesome. And he like, but also the GL
limitations of what a Rashi offense look like.
There's multiple games where Ivan we're calling the drag
route out of the bunch formation again for Rashi up the safety
knows exactly where he's going. We're punting like there were
times where they tried to make plays downfield and he was
dropping the past and like he's just offense that you build on
him as a wide receiver. One is limited in a way that
last year they weren't set up, in my opinion, to care about.
But I were the Chiefs. I would look at it and be like,
we have this guy who's a massive red.
He is. He's he's, he's a human and he's
not. We got to get off and on with
Jacob, I think, yeah. Jacob's making really good
points, just no idea what he's saying The the Internet
connection's getting sorry, getting really shaky.
I, I, I think with, with rice, if they, if they obviously if
they add like Makai lemon at 9, like that's bad, yes.
But if they, if they add like Tate, I don't know, or if they
add a second, if they, if they add say this, like if they add
someone in the second round, like a like a Brazil or
something like that, I think that's pretty bullish for ice.
Like I would like the offense to be able to get back to beating
people down field and doing stuff that's not so, you know,
just like only like we're going to have guys who can like beat
zone underneath. Like Rice is what he is, but he
draws targets very consistently. And I think he's going to
continue to fill that role with Kelsey, you know, kind of
getting older and older and not really, you know, he's falling
off significantly since his prime.
So I think there's always going to be that Rice role.
There's always been that Rice role, that underneath guy for
Mahomes. It wouldn't be the worst thing
if they had like a even a Tate. I think now maybe, you know,
Rice should be going more like in the fourth round if that
happens. But I.
So, so I agree, I agree with you, Crane, largely because this
is their wide receiver depth chart.
If they don't draft a first rounder and you, you know, you
assume a third round or whatever.
So you've got Rashi, you've got Worthy Hollywood unrestricted
free agent, Juju unrestricted free agent, Taekwon unrestricted
free agent. Now Juju will probably return.
But like, it's Juju. Like, come on.
Right? Enough.
Already he's just, he's just
back up Brashi. Taiwan.
Taiwan will get paid, I think a decent amount.
Somewhere more than Kansas City wants to, fam.
Then you've got Jalen Royals and you've got Nico Ormegio.
So you basically don't have, you basically have 1 1/2 good wide
receivers and that Rashi is like .9 of a good wide receiver and
Worthy is like .67 of a good wide receiver.
Maybe you can do it later in the first round if you can make it
work, but come on. I'm not saying this at all from
a bill standpoint, 'cause I like this player.
But we got to get Concepcion and then on the back it's just KC
and then two underneath it. That's.
Nice. That's pretty good.
That's. Pretty good.
I mean, if I if I were the Chiefs, I'd sit at 9 and take
one of the top three wide receivers.
Like I think that is the correct move.
It would not be great for for Rice, especially if it's like
Tyson or or Lemon, where I think it's kind of more about being
target dominant as opposed to like stretching the field and
and improving the offense like, you know, in terms of its
explosiveness. So I do think it'd be a shame
for their real life, you know, kind of team building if they
took Love at nine, that's a lot to invest in a, in a running
back. And obviously that would be a
smash for love where he's going. He's you know, he he'll jump
like 6 picks into the probably the 1-2 turn or whatever.
I. I would rather I would rather
them if they're if they're hell bent on this and they're like
like we just we we really want to improve the running game.
We were dead last an explosive run rage the last three years.
I'd rather them find a cat machination way to give Travis
ETN what he wants and give him the free agent money.
Yeah, just. Get ETN or Walker or Breece.
Like spend, spend the money. Spend the money there.
Like taking love. Big time.
Taking Taking Love is like a franchise altering disaster.
It's, it's so clear. It's, I mean, I posted the, the
tweet about this, about like the, the spreadsheet maxers
don't think you should ever spend on running back, but then
you get nickel mogged. Like I I think ETN makes total
sense if you sign ETN for like 12 million a year.
Like if if Jeremiah Love is a hit, he's going to be worth what
in real value to you in terms of a second contract like 16 to
18,000,000. If he's like a.
Star right back. Right.
If if Kate or Lemon or Tyson are a hit at that same level,
they're going to be worth like 30 million in terms of second
contract real dollars. You're you're just so much
better spending the the. And the value, like the surplus
value in terms of like having the talent level of that player
on the contract that's that cheap.
Like you're, those guys are likely to be producing like $30
million worth of value to your team.
You know, on year 2 year three-year 4 year five, fifth
year option contract, like, yeah, you just, you gain so much
more. I, I think the, the free agency
thing, given how much running backs have dropped in terms of
what they get paid, I think it's.
Sharp. Signing free agent It's sharp to
sign a free agent running back at this point in part, you're
not going to draft 1. So now you get your right.
You already you you filled the need.
So now you know we don't need a running back.
You take it off the draft board. You know, you bump those guys
down a little bit, you don't really need them.
Maybe you're looking for a deaf guy in day three or something,
but you're not going to take your most valuable assets from a
team building perspective and put them into a position that
you just can't really like hit a true home run on because you
don't ever pay the guys that much, even when they're awesome.
So. Gingwell, Dowdle.
Especially like, think, think of how you.
Acquire even even freaking Tyler Algier instead of Corolla.
But like, think, think of the guys that you acquire at wide
receiver or tackle or edge in free agency.
Like occasionally you can get really lucky or you have a late
bloomer like a Trey Hendrickson or something.
But like, for the most part, like, you know, the marquee
tackle signing as the Chiefs know a little while ago was
Jalon Taylor, who's like pretty mid and doesn't know how to line
up on a football field. The best one?
Who's the guy that Titan signed? Dan?
What's his face from the Dan Moore, Dan?
Moore. He was a disaster.
He's a disaster. Disaster.
The best wide receiver in this year's free agency class is
going to be like maybe Alec Pierce.
And he is going to, if he gets there, probably cost like $25
million a year. And he's like, I don't know,
like the 35th to 45th best receiver in the NFL, Romeo.
And if Pierce and like if it's not Pierce, it's fucking Dobbs
who's like a good starter but no one would classify him as a.
Star he's. Only 30 by any stretch.
Evans is 33. So you're the only guys you're
getting at the premium positions of free agency.
You're that Euro draft, you're either trading a first round
pick plus to get a needle mover. And usually that requires them
being willing to sign an extension with you and wanting
to go to your team. And you have to give up a ton of
draft capital for it and a contract.
Or you're paying like AB minus receiver A+ money or you're
paying an old like wide receiver with like a couple of years
left. But you like it's very
plausible. A-Team can just sign Travis ETN.
He's a good running man. A-Team might be able to just
sign Ken Walker in free agency. I think it's a it's a great
starting running back in the NFL.
You know, if you wanted to sign and extend Breece Hall, the
Chiefs could have last year for like a third round pick.
You know, like you can. To me, the way to use free
agency is you take the elite players that are available at
the less quote UN quote valuable positions because that is the
only chance you can actually get those elite players without
drafting them. You can't get elite players with
the other positions. You have to draft your tackles,
your wide receivers. Your get interior lineman,
right? Yeah, get, get, get guys, you
know, who are good players who don't cost a bajillion dollars
and then draft the positions where you do have to pay a
bajillion dollars to get the elite guys because they don't
really become available. Like if you want a top end wide
receiver that you didn't draft, probably going to cost you a
first round pick because you got to trade for them.
You know, they don't really hit the market like just straight up
free agency because they'll get tagged and all that.
So yeah, I think if you're the Chiefs, I mean, come on, they
should they should draft one of these guys.
It would we've been drafting Rice still.
You know, we've I've got we think if he gets suspended, it's
for the whole year. Like, wait, there's some risk in
hey, man. We could.
We could all, we could all die tomorrow, you know what I'm
saying? Yeah, but at the same time,
maybe. They draft like the David Bailey
and then it's like, who cares? Yeah, after having this
discussion, I mean, it is just, it would be so kind of it just
would be like the Chiefs really shooting themselves on the foot
to not take one of the top receivers in a in a class that
has three of them, one of them will be at 9, right for.
What it for what it's worth? They give her pick early.
I personally am not that interested in them taking a wide
receiver. Like just give me a give me a
fucking 300 LB guy. I don't care what side of the
ball he plays on but just someone who weighs £300 please.
That's the line almost like last call at ADP 200, only this is
300 and pounds. Let's move to coaches.
Zach did the work. Thank you, Zach Lennars, always
great work on the slides, coaching carousel. 10 teams on
this slide, Arizona, Atlanta, Baltimore, Buffalo, Cleveland,
Vegas, Miami, the Giants, Pittsburgh, Tennessee.
Is there a most interesting one? I wanted this to be Atlanta when
I asked myself this question, but those guys were pretty
productive anyway. Dijon.
I think, I think Arizona is fascinating because Nathaniel
Hackett stinks and the floor is really good.
So who wins out there? Like what?
What kind of situation? We've seen Nathaniel Hackett be
totally fine as a non play calling offensive coordinator
because like what does he really have to do at that point?
Like he goes up to the old line and he's like, hey, bend your
knees. And then he like does like I'm
Ron Burgundy impressions and I. Don't know.
Yeah, he's he he loves Goldfinger and you know, the of
the Austin Powers movie, if you're like really into
Goldfinger specifically, that's like a pretty big red flag.
But he's he seems corny and it's just like kind of like cringey,
right, But like not hard to get along with and probably not like
the worst guy to just like have a round where like the less he's
in charge, less he's in charge, the better, right.
And so I don't know, but are we sold that Mike Lafleur is is
anything? I mean, I'm not sold, but I I'm
the only evidence we have him being bad is just evidence of
Zach Wilson being bad. I I certainly don't think he's
bad. I'm just kind of viewing him as
a blank slate, like he's like insert Rams guy, not not Olive
worked. Some of them are Shane Wahlburn,
but like some of them are really good.
I don't know. I think I think Hackett is like
he is. Oh fuck, what's the what's the
saying? Is it the Peter Principle?
He's like. You rise to the level of
incompetence. He's like, he's like the classic
Peter Principle guy where it's like if he is in your office.
Rise. Rise to the level of your
incompetence, yeah. Right.
He's he's literally Michael Scott where it's like if he is
not in charge. Of he's very Michael Scottish,
yeah. Like he's if he's not actually
in charge of much at the paper company, he's like a good guy to
have around. He's like company.
Didn't Michael kind of shine the most when he started his own
company and then he managed to sell it back?
I didn't. I didn't want some better OK.
No, in the thing, the thing that Michael was, the thing that
Michael was very good at was sales and then he was bad at
everything. Else, that's true.
He was a good salesman who got promoted to manager and it was
it was too much. But like, you don't want you
don't want Nathaniel Hackett having like a vision.
It's funny enough because he's also on this list.
But the guy I was going to say he he is similar to, in my
opinion, is, is Pete Carmichael. Where like he had a lot of
successful years as a air quotes offensive coordinator from the
New Orleans Saints, where he just like got to hang out with
Sean Payton and and shoot the shit.
And Sean Payton had a lot of great offenses.
And then as soon as they let Pete Carmichael actually call
plays, it was like, oh, fuck. Like this guy stinks.
And like, I think as long as Hackett's not the one making
decisions, I wouldn't worry about him.
Is Austin Powers, by the way, before your time?
Pat, 1990. Six.
No, no, no, no. I was.
I was 11 not. Not in.
Theaters, I was kind of prime. Theaters.
It's sort of the prime demo. I don't know if I saw it.
No, I don't think I saw the. I certainly didn't see the first
one in theaters, but I think I might have seen the second one
in theaters. OK, I did.
I loved it. Still love it.
Good stuff. My dad was a big fan.
We, yeah, we I'm very familiar with those films.
The but you know, both fingers, not the one right of the three
or are there 4? Whatever those I mean, it's.
Just incredible that you went to Austin Powers and and not James
Bond movies. Gold member I keep.
Saying gold. Things Gold member.
Austin Powers is a spoof on James Bond movies.
That's the whole point. That's what I'm saying.
Like it's funny that Karain went Austin Powers and not James Bond
movies. No, I'm saying Nathaniel
Hackett, like on Hard Knocks he was showing every he's doing.
It's like his slides had jokes from like Goldmember and stuff.
He's making everyone watch Goldmember like he's obsessed
with. White.
I don't. I don't remember that.
Yeah, all I remember was mine was the Anchorman quotes.
Yeah, he he, he gets, he gets along great with Aaron Rodgers.
OK, Great vibe. He's best friends with Aaron
Rodgers. Who doesn't know somebody who's
constantly quoting movies? Aaron's smoking ayahuasca
watching like the Pineapple Express.
Yeah, yeah. Although you know that I enjoyed
that movie when I came back, I will say.
What do you guys think of the Giants pineapple?
Church was above Nathaniel Hackett.
He wouldn't get it. Yeah.
How do we feel about the Giants? Well I think it's super bullish
that the first thing Connor Hughes reported on the situation
after Matt Nagy got hired was hey man Harbaugh is a hard ass.
He will not be scared to fire him after week 8 if it's not
working. Yeah, great, great vibes.
I think most of these like, it's easy to be optimistic this time
of year, but we know that a lot of this stuff isn't going to
work out. And so when I look at the
Arizona one, I'm like you seen dead set on getting rid of Kyler
Murray for what I guess Malik Willis, but we're going to have
like a Nathaniel Hackett slash Michael floor OC head coach
combo with what Malik Willis at quarterback or Jacoby percent
like this looks pretty bad. Seems scary, seems scary.
Floor is super low. And then the the New York 1 like
you get John Harbaugh. I think they probably thought
they were getting Munkin. Is the OC getting naggy instead?
I I was impressed by dart in his rookie season, but this is this
is bad. Like I Harbaugh couldn't win
with Lamar Jackson and then he brings in naggy like.
The concept of Jackson Dart is the quarterback 7 after 5
recorded concussions last year with Matt Naggy who turned Pat
Mahomes into Gardner Minshew. It's just like, wow man, people
really love Jackson Dart bro, they must they.
Must love him. Yeah, man.
Right there. Trouble as mad he is for real.
Like at least he will call like a + 9 PROE.
Odd you got that going for you. He did with with Mahomes, but
like, I don't know if he will with the Giants.
And like, I don't know if Harbaugh wants that.
So I mean, it's different. Like when you're under Andy
Reid, you can call as many passing plays as you want, but I
don't know if that's going to be the case here.
And. Then you also didn't.
Nagy wasn't even the play caller.
He was. He was the non play calling OC
in Kansas City. So like why would you hire Matt
Nagy as your OC like this crazy guy?
This means. So much less of John Arbaugh
because I I had always really one of the things I liked about
him is I always thought he had pretty interesting coordinator
hires and like, they weren't all successful, but I, I almost
always felt like I could see the vision, you know, like he, he,
he brought in Kubiak, which was obviously a sharp call, was like
a veteran, but really good. They won the Super Bowl
together. They he, he took a chance on
Roman where they they had this, they draft the stretching
quarterback. He's like, I see what he did
with Kaepernick. Let's bring him in.
Like we got frustrated by Roman at the end, but that made a ton
of sense when it happened. Yeah, it was smart Trestman
hire. The Trestman hire was a
disaster. But like, I thought that still
was kind of an A defensible hire.
Like he was an open minded CFL guy who had a pretty decent
offense in Chicago and I could see why you'd bring him in as
OC. He moved on quick, but it didn't
work. Like the mall can hire that was
great and was mostly successful. Me too.
So I've always thought like he's gonna be good for I mean, he'd
hired Mike McDonald. But yeah, the Matt Nagy thing is
like it's, it's indefensibly stupid.
I I can't wrap my head around it.
Well, do you do you want to know be?
Optimistic. You guys, you guys want a
conspiracy theory here. I just might have.
This is actually probably just what happened.
Like Reed was probably actively making calls on Matt Maggie's
behalf when they realized like we can't bring this guy back.
Like this guy has naked a Pat Mahomes offense, but he was
like, I can't in good conscience hire the enemy, bring him back
in unless I know Nagy at least has got someone who's
considering him. So read.
All those old special teams coordinator.
I mean, I assumed he called a butt like I assume he's calling
everyone. I'm assuming he's calling all
his boys like, hey, can you get Nagy an interview?
Can you bring like, would you consider my guy?
Because if you remember the timeline of how it worked as, as
Zach says, quiet fired. We were getting oh, the Mahomes
wants Kingsbury. They're gonna they're gonna
interview the enemy, they're gonna interview X, they're gonna
interview Y. And there'd been no reporting on
Naggy other than that the Titans maybe wanted to hire him.
That was the only. It looked like the Titans were
gonna hire him, and then the Chiefs were gonna get to walk
away hands clean. And then the Titans were like,
actually, we're not hiring that naggy.
The Chiefs were like, yeah, I mean, it's crazy that Matt Nagy
has to leave. That's really too bad.
That's too. Bad.
Too bad. Whatever will we do?
Yeah. I mean, what I don't get about
that is, you know, why wouldn't some team give him the Cliff
Kingsbury? Like you're the assistant head
coach, you know, whatever. Like he brings some guy in with
a nice title on a good coaching staff already and he gets to
kind of kind of absorb some of that reputation and then maybe
go get an OC job or even a head coaching job in a year or two.
But like to actually make him the OC where John Harbaugh is
like he's a former special teams coordinator, but he's really a
defensive guy. You know, like he's he's got his
his fingers on the on the defensive side of the ball, not
really the offense. So you're just like putting Matt
Nagy in charge of your offense. Went to Davis point.
He wasn't in charge of the offense before this.
Like he's he's a failed head coach who made Pat Mahomes
worse. Like what?
What are we doing? It's really bad.
The the key man is neighbors. Like where do we want neighbors
to? Neighbors is a bad pick right
now. He's coming off, unfortunately,
coming off a major injury. Like he, he might not start
until, you know, he might go on the PUP to start the year.
Yeah, he might miss a month of the season and he's going at
like the 1-2 turn her early 2nd. Like I would love to draft Malik
neighbors, but like that's not where I'm doing it.
And I assume the other thing is I don't think that's where I'm
going to have to do it. He's going to drop a lot.
He's going to drop a lot by the summer, by August.
We're not actually drafting a ton of volume.
He's ADP 16 right now. So he's the he's the two O 4.
We're we're going to get him at 26 in August.
Yeah, dude, and I'll take him there.
I'll take him in the third, but. We will take him there on a on a
main event stream together in August.
Yeah, yeah, sure. Some Malik neighbors.
Actually, and the the answer by the way to why you would why
Shawn McVey would hire Cliff Kingsbury as the come hangout
coach for a year and not and that naggy is is so simple.
I mean Cliff Kingsbury, think what he brings to the table as a
as a non football coach, football coach, he has an
awesome house that you can go hang out at and and throw
parties at. He's where's the house?
You. You wherever like you go, you.
Like you just saw, his house comes with.
His house with him and, and like, he's super handsome.
You like bring him out to the club.
All the ladies are coming over to like say.
Hi to He reminds me of mixed steamy actually.
Cliff Kingsbury Very. Handy recipes like he knows all
the best spots in in the Southeast.
So like you you want you want to hit him up for travel tips.
Seems like a pretty yeah man. You're.
You're you're joking, but you're not.
You're joking but you're not. I have no feel, kind of.
Real estate he has, I assume it's middle of the road.
Like who wants to hang out with Matt Nagy?
Seems like a terrible. Hang Cliff Kingsbury seems like
a way better hang, especially if you're like an NFL coach and
you're hanging like if ES McVeigh, you're just basically
like, like Kingsbury is like Timu you, you know, like you're,
you're like, you don't have anything to worry about.
Like he's just like the worst. Version.
Of exactly you. So you know, he can like kind of
you're like, hey, man, like why don't you come hang out?
We'll probably have pretty similar interests and we'll just
get your head coaching job in a year or two.
I just got I got a head coach. You're not going to believe
this. I got just got a head coaching
job for Mike Lafleur, the failed Jets OC.
Good face, good name, good house.
It's tough recipe to crack. We have a second coaching slide.
I know got a record, but still good.
Denver, Detroit, Kansas City, Chargers, Rams, Jets, Eagles,
Seattle, Tampa, Washington. This is mostly new play callers,
new offensive coordinators. Denver is official as of today.
Davis Webb, Frank Reich, I mean Zach Reich last call plays for
the 1950 Baltimore Colts. You got to love how he slips in
these little gems. I got AI, got AI, got a take to
get off as it applies to David Bling, Blang Blau, Sean Manion,
Kellen Moore, Davis. Is the take that we're old?
So the take is that I mean, we are the same age as these men.
I have played them all. Exactly.
Take take my my take on top of this is I think there's
something to really good college quarterback failed NFL
quarterback third string NFL quarterback play caller
pipeline. I think there's something, I
don't know if you would call this like spatial reasoning or
something, but like the the different, the differential
between their bodies abilities to do with their mind can see
that that makes them, that makes them uniquely qualified to call
plays when a better quarterback is executing the plays.
You know it's funny. But it's also sorry you got
show. No, just quickly.
I talked to Cody Carpentier last week in about this year's
quarterback class. He's like, I see one, maybe 2
good players. Everybody else is going to be a
backup for a long time. And I said that means they're
all going to be offensive coordinators in six years.
Yep, exactly. You nailed it.
Yeah, Carson Beck is going to be like the all time hottest OC
name in like 2034. He's just been named the Titans
20. 34 he's actually being drafted to coach the Titans.
That's. Right.
Why is why is Drew Stanton not an offensive coordinator?
That's like the most offensive coordinator ass player I can
think of. I I mean, also, it's probably
just if you're the backup OC, you're like in all the, the like
meetings, but you're not doing anything right.
So like you're on the headset, right?
Like the backup, like the third string running back is not on
the headset, but the backup quarterback is right.
He's, he's absorbing the plays. He's, he's taking down notes on
the clipboard. He, he gets used to wearing it.
He, he looks good wearing a ball cap.
You know, that's, that's like, that's the stuff.
Yeah. And as a Ken Dorsey apologist,
you know, I think this is a a good trend probably like it's,
it's more like offensive guys, you know, who like, wouldn't you
want, you know, kind of like quarterbacks running the league
in a way it makes it makes sense, like.
You know how you guys did the coaches draft last year where
you drafted coaches to play. This year on ADP chasing Lock it
In, We're we're drafting the players draft, but we have to
draft them as coaches. Oh.
Yeah, yeah. You have to draft a head coach,
an OCADCA linebacker's. You have to draft a coaching
staff. You have to get the coaching
staff, players. That's going to be that's going
to be a banger episode of ship chasing.
Yeah. Bring it to the show.
I'll be ready. Who who is who is Brian?
So. Good.
Seattle Super Bowl winner Brian Fleury.
Is oh, sorry, show up. I'm sorry.
We made that one he made. That one, yeah, that's yeah.
Well, he's actually related to Theo.
Fleury, Tracy. Fleury No.
What? Theo.
Fleur is he related to to to the goat Fleurry, though to Marc
Andre he can't be. No.
Just just Theo. Fleurry I the.
Tracy Fleurry. It's a little tough is like they
bring him in. They're like, what's your
offense? It's gonna, what is it gonna
look like? And he's like, I don't know,
probably pretty close to the one that just won the Super Bowl.
And everyone's like, ah, man. But like, what is it gonna look
like? Are you are Shope?
Are you doing a bit? You don't know Marc Andre
Fleury. No, of course I do.
Tracy Fleury bronze medal, Olympic curly for Canada just
now. That's who I was going.
For yeah. Sorry, yes, of course I know who
the flurry. Davis, do you not know Theron
Flurry? He's like the he's might be the
most king short king of all short kings.
No, I am familiar with him. In terms of diminutive French
Canadian wingers, though, he he's he's not my all time.
Oh, he's not even French Canadian.
Stolen Valor. No, he's from Oxbow,
Saskatchewan, but he's he's a 5 foot six man who had 1000 points
in the NHL. I I would say, I would say my
favorite Flames winger of all time is Ginla, though, yeah.
Pat, thoughts? None.
No good. Next slide I'm.
Good. Well, hang on.
I think of these of these coaches, I think the but I mean
the Rams will be fine and chill House was was a name that people
were talking about. I was going to say he was
getting buzz, yeah. So that that had the Browns job
if you wanted it. Yeah, yeah, good point.
So that's that's a good one. Mike McDaniel.
I think maybe we're still not bullish enough on that, that
that has a ton of upside. The enemy going to KC feels like
imagine imagine if that team had.
A quarterback, Pat. Oh, come on.
I mean, you, you have the ability, like you get me to
agree with you on Justin Herbert in the industrial complex being
out of their minds and then you say stuff like that.
Well, no. Do you know?
Do you know what's funny is Herbert is now going to have
insanely good EPA stats. Like he finally, like he's going
to be like second in the NFL in like cumulative quarterback EPA
now. Yeah, I'm I I think you're
right. And I think we're probably not
drafting enough of them. I'm not kidding when I say he's
probably a pretty good MVP futures vote.
I think, I think the voters will actually all be too ashamed
because of what Sam Monson did, that even if he deserves it, I
don't know if he gets enough. Votes.
Do you think Sam Monson cost him all future MVPS?
At least for a year. For a year.
And I and I think tail. For a year.
Sam is very well respected. Sam can be well respected he he
made an ass of himself in public it's like.
And take take it from somebody who knows how to do.
That Take it from someone who knows, Take it from somebody who
knows. Why I like Sam so much.
Like you guys. Deep down, you know he's right.
We certainly wrong about that. I mean, no, Herbert was Herbert
was like the 20th most valuable Herbert or something.
Yeah. Herbert had a good year given
the situation. Campaign slogan, who I assume is
also. Your you guys are all.
Friends show. You're all breaking up again.
I'm sorry. The next slide is.
They call those on new. Teams.
Hang on, hang on. Can we talk about, can we talk
about two more of these? Sean Manion?
Sean Manion I think is actually kind of intriguing.
He's he, he was like a name people were pretty excited
about. So this could be, you know, the
Eagles are on and off with the OC hires.
This could, this could be an on one.
Sean Manion could be a head coach in a year or two, you
know, if this goes well. So I don't know, I, I'm kind of
kind of optimistic on that one. And then the David Blau one.
What, what was the plan here? Why?
Why did why did we get rid of Kingsbury Just to bring in David
Blau who was on the staff already, right?
Well, Crane, if you remember, I actually think this one is maybe
an example of the organization maybe being a little bit more
forward thinking than we thought.
Because if you want to remind your rewind your brain all the
way back to when Jayden Daniels got drafted, Kingsbury and
Daniels were not a fit. Like, if you think about the
overarching history of Kingsbury calling plays both in the NFL
and in college does, it's not kind of like the high variance
out of the pocket. Like remember when Kyler was
good before? So Kyler's short Oh, Kyler.
Kyler can't play because Call of Duty Zombies is coming out.
It was like, it was like, OK, well, Kyler's obviously awesome
and like is executing all these plays, but like, why is
everything horizontal? Well, but is Kyler obviously
awesome because he got benched after Kingsbury left, so it's
like kind of in? Retrospect.
I mean Kingsbury. Wasn't.
I mean, maybe like I, who's to say?
But I, I do wonder if maybe there's an element of like
Daniels and or maybe Cliff's offense in this version of the
NFL just doesn't work like that, like like spamming mesh every
single play like David. Blouse like who?
Who? I I think that if I think that
if Dan Quinn kept Kingsbury, he was being fired in week 4 and
Kingsbury was being named. Yeah, that, that's probably.
So he hired an offensive coordinator who's so woefully
under qualified that he can't get canned for an interim OC in.
I think this is right. This seems bad.
There we go it. Seems like Dan Quinn's Dan
Quinn's going to get fired. David Blau's like not we're
going to have to be like he's going to be trivia.
David Blau's like most likely outcome is trivia.
Who is the 2025 Washington Commanders OC and everyone no
one's going to get Cliff Kingsbury 2026 I said the wrong
year, so you would have been right. 2026 it was it was David
Blau though, so that's I don't know.
I just what This seems like a bad plan.
Davis's mocking voice isn't really higher or low or just
louder. You can't draft Kyler Murray a
new a new Call of Duty's coming out.
New Call of Duty's coming out I. Actually enjoyed this the Kye.
Zombies so bad. Like I have you.
Have you played Nazi zombies bro?
I I've never had an Xbox so I was never a Halo.
Guy and I wasn't a call of. Duty guy in the OG run and I
haven't really had time to play video games and but Pat Pat
singing Pat sing Call of Duty Zombies is a good twist.
It seems like a guy who's not played the Nazi zombies mode in
Call of Duty. I think I played it a couple
times back back in the day. I I had Call of Duty.
Yeah, I found it funny. I found it funny.
What? Why does that mean?
I haven't played it I I'd like to address 1 comment from the
chat I I. Don't I?
Don't get mad when someone criticizes Kyler.
I get mad when someone lazily criticizes Kyler with like not
even good rage bait. Like if you were gonna if you
were gonna criticize someone, you cannot just copy and paste
like a dude's rule Twitter account about about playing
video games. I'm not having it, bro.
What about the Warren Sharp thread about all those rankings
in the last three years and all those games that that?
Is I mean I I like get so tilted.
Because of how he does sample sizing things like he'll create
like a whole PDF stat about something that was like a sample
size of like like the n = 8. It's tilting, but but that's not
this. That's not this.
That's like 4 years isn't it? I choose not to see it, even
though Warren was probably right.
I. Can't handle Warren.
Chart right now because he was posting screenshots of the.
Gold medal game and like talking shit on Austin Matthews like
he's ever watched hockey game before in his life.
And it was tilting me extremely hard.
But I got the same tilt as you, Davis.
I posted the tweet about basically just being like, I
think it's kind of dumb to like pay Kyler Murray 50 million to
go away and another 35 million to Malik Willis in the same
season. And then like basically 17 of my
replies were just yeah, dude. But Malik Boots doesn't play
video games bro. No, it's.
Mostly just but Malik Wills is 2 inches taller so we can see the.
Field. All right, we're singing now.
The lowest hanging fruit. I just if if if low enough for
Keller Marie to. Grab him.
That that was a good joke. Here's here.
How about? How about a new rule of?
Thumb, If a large language model could make your joke off of
reading ESPN tweets, it's a bad fucking tweet and a bad opinion
and you should change it. You know Davis, I bet a large
language model is making a lot of those.
Jokes that are guarantee it. I guarantee it.
Pretty sure that's is what's happening all right.
Players on new teams. Next slide here, play callers.
Yeah, anything here? Play callers.
I'm sorry to the right. Yeah, I mean, nerds don't like
to admit. It but Mike McCarthy is just
like a A. A marginally above average NFLOC
in play caller. It tends to end really
annoyingly for him mostly. Because of the expectations.
For the team like you have Aaron Rodgers, you can't, you can't
win. Shit seems crazy.
You probably should be able to win with Aaron Rodgers people.
Also, and this is a little bit above by pay grade, but people
like hate his passing scheme because his route concepts are
just like very very bland and people are rationally get mad
about that. Well, I I just have no like, am
I watching Packers games like? Or Cowboys games saying why does
this guy keep running the same route all the time?
Like, not really, if I'm just being honest.
Like it's not the type of granular detail I pick up on the
issue. This is this is Jeff Fisher,
man. This is this is bad.
Yeah, this is bad. Like Mike McCarthy if you need.
If you have a a. 14 win team and you need 12 wins like you should
hire Mike McCarthy. He'll he'll deliver, but like
what's the point of him on the Pittsburgh Steelers?
Rogers is like, I thought it was just to get Rogers to come back
and sounds like Rogers might not come back.
So no, I I'm hearing, I'm, I'm reading the opposite.
Maybe I'm maybe I'm not up to. Date but to me the most recent
thing I read was that Rogers is like almost for sure coming
back. Well, that I mean that is the
only way the hire kind of makes any sense, but like.
And and it that does make sense to me because they are so in the
fucking. Wilderness if they do not have
Aaron Rodgers yeah, they're. Does that make sense?
Like your entire goal is like like to.
Like take a Mike McCarthy and 40 million year old Aaron Rodgers
and go 9:00 and 8:00 again like that.
Yes, yeah, that's very, very, very Steelersy.
It is. The issue with Mike McCarthy the
playbook was mentally. Like no, not doing this anymore,
right? Like that?
It's bad. They just got Teamu, Mike
Tomlin. They did.
And I mean, look, if you're
trying. If you're a team that goes 9 and
8 and loses in the first round of the playoffs, that's not bad.
You know, like make the playoffs as tough.
But if your goal is to go nine and eight and lose in the first
round of the playoffs, like you can miss quite a bit lower than
that. And I think given what we saw
from Rogers last year, they don't have much on off.
They're going to lose Kenny Gainwell probably.
I mean, maybe they maybe they resign him.
Like, you know, they're you could replace some running back
talent. Warren's OK.
You know, Metcalf is fine is the number one, but like they don't
have any depth. They probably cut Janu.
I think it doesn't really make sense to have three tight ends
there. So it's just like there's
nothing. They have a decent offensive
line. Defense is solid.
But like, I don't know, man, this Mike McCarthy, Aaron
Rodgers at this point, it didn't really work the first time.
You know, it worked less than it should have.
So uninspiring. It is starting to warm my heart
to think that maybe Pat. Is cold down in southern?
No, I feel great. I feel great.
I'm still. I'm still in.
Shorts, you want to jump ahead to last call here.
I know there are a couple other. Slides in the way if.
You want to play with this one, I guess.
Let's do this. Let's do this.
What's the? I mean dad problem.
I I actually. Predict.
That. I I predict Sadiq will probably
have some pretty good workouts. So he'll probably end up being a
riser and his name is gonna like he's not gonna not be a first
round pick. So he's gonna he's gonna stay
pretty high. What will happen is some tight
end will Luke Musgrave it and and post like A10 rasp.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, and that could literally
be anybody like. I mean, it could be, it could
be. Dallin Bentley or whatever, Like
like literally whoever. There's been a lot of buzz about
Kenny, Utah. Lot of buzz about Kenny.
Utah. I I'll you started it right now.
I mean, I'm all. In I'm all.
In on Eli Stowers, I think he's gonna have a great combat.
Yeah, he's gonna be a second round pick.
He he's gonna be great. He just might not way enough to
have. The 10.
Raz 'cause if you if he comes in, he weighs at like. 239 then
he's gonna have the Evan a room problem where he likes kind of
yeah. And he is kind of like you watch
him play on the Raz for me. You want you want to run like a
459. At like 258 you don't want to
run like the 449 at 2:37. I'm worried Sadiq is not a
riser. I was just I.
Just did a pod with Eric Proton and I think his Sadiq's 40
timeline was 451 and he was taking the over there.
So yeah, that's that's bad. Yeah, it is bad.
I. Would say Sadiq my my.
Guess would be Sadiq Faller, Price Riser, Simpson I don't
know who cares and Makai Lemon Riser.
You think you think lemon and will be a riser with no drills?
I don't know. He'll maybe he'll interview.
Well, price, price will be price will be a riser because he's
going. To be fast at at a good weight.
Yeah, Price will I I was, I was Lemon.
Lemon's not doing anything. I didn't realize he's not doing
anything. He's he's not gonna, he's not
gonna run. Cuz I think, I mean, I think I
bet he's gonna do the gauntlet. I bet he'd.
Be good in the he, he is he, so he is gonna do the drills.
He's gonna run and he's gonna catch passes.
And do whatever. OK, but you know what?
You know what math Lemon did? He did the math and he said,
well I'm fucked if I weigh 185 lbs and run a four three.
I'm also fucked if I weigh 2O3 and run a 4/5.
So I just might as well just not do it.
You're, you're going in the first round, you only have, you
only have something to lose. I can't believe.
Love is gonna apparently run the 40, which makes me think he's
like, very accomplished. He's gonna run a 432.
He can't really be a riser, which which makes me feel.
Which by the way also. Makes me feel better about.
Price like if love is running and love is that good, then like
price has got to be like really good.
Price is fast one of these random running backs because.
This class is just crying out for any sort of running back to
get excited about behind Love and even Price a little bit.
I don't know who it's going to be.
It should have been Nick Singleton.
If he didn't break his Dang foot, it was going to be Nick
Singleton. It also should have been Kaylin
Black, who for some reason did not get.
Invited to the combine. And then alternatively, it
should have been Jayden OTT, who also did not get invited to the
combine. Yeah.
So that's a great sign. So I don't know who it's going
to be like. I don't.
Know if it's going to be. I don't know if it's going to be
Adam Randall or if it's not going to be Randall or if it's
going to be Damon Claiborne. That's who it is.
Yeah, but like 1. One of these guys is going to
come in and they're going. To.
Get the 9.90 raz and because everyone is just begging for
like begging for some guy to be like this is actually my RB2 or
RB. Three like he's.
He's going to go. It's going to be, it's going to
be Claiborne because he caught passes.
He's got a good. He's a he's a good Turner and he
is the he he was well, this is very Jacob.
You should know this. He was the fastest player in
NCAA 26. So The Jets, The Jets are
probably going to take him then. Yeah, that's why I don't like
Emmett. That's why I don't like Emmett
Johnson because it was normal dev trait.
Brick, Brick, and Johnson's all over that Jack and brick.
While. Davis and.
Jacob get set up for last. Call.
Let me throw this at Pat again. The rule is the same.
If you get it wrong, that's something that speaks well of
you. I've got 4 names here of
legendarily great high scoring wingers for Canadian hockey
teams not located in the Eastern Time Zone, which is fake.
No help. Ready, Pat. 4%.
Again, LA. We'll see if he's been paying
attention Again. La Lurie mondu Timu.
I'm going to say Timu's fake. Wrong.
Timu Salani. He's a fucking.
Manju. Manju flash brother.
The finish. Although he can.
Fucking suck it because he was whining.
His ass on Twitter about the high sticking call the semi
final. So suck it Team Musalani, now
we. All Now we all know what.
Timo. Timo is now Karain.
You. You gave that one away because
and. And Cho did a linguistic trick
here where Mondu is just my God in French Mondu.
This is just like I'm trying to think of a French sounding name.
Sorry, Jacob. No offense.
He gave it. He gave it.
Mondu. Pierre Mondu from the Yeah,
Sorry, Jacob. Wait.
Sorry. Because you're French, that's.
Actually Emily's husband. Mondu.
Let's go to last. Ball, Who's ready?
I got a fun one. Tonight.
Have fun. Go for it.
Have some fun. I'm.
Going to take Anthony. Richardson OK, Woo.
That's. I got I got mine.
Not the reception. I was hoping.
For not are we doing these. Are we doing?
These here's I have a key question are.
We doing these cumulatively from now until August or are we going
to restart? No, this is this is not the
official Alaska. This is tipping out the.
Bartender tipping out the bartender.
What does that mean? It's like the change of shift,
you know? When you tip out your.
Bartender, but then last. Call, we'll start.
Is this pre season? Last call, I didn't want to say
yeah, we were doing this two weeks ago.
Now we're doing it. But we're not doing it.
OK, fine. We are. 8:00 PM There's two
slates. There's two slates.
And the waitress comes up. She's.
Like hey, my shift is ending. You guys have been here for
four. Hours.
But, like, Nicole's gonna take care of you.
Yeah. Would you mind?
Would you mind settling up with me?
And we're like, sure, sure. We'll settle off.
Of course.
Anthony Richards. Of course.
Yeah. It's no problem.
We'll take Anthony Richardson. We'll pay for our Anthony
Richardson and we'll pay for Ty. Simpson, who I'm taking with my
pick. Yeah, flip it if it's not
official and so be it. We do have a slide for.
The last call. Rosters last call.
So I'll take Ty Simpson with my second pick here.
No, my third pick. No hope for Richardson.
Like there's no path at all. Anywhere trade in is the path
he's he's Trey Lance. He'll be a developmental backup
for five years, and then he'll. Do a.
Season in spring football and then he'll do LinkedIn or
something. Should honestly get traded to
the Packers and just try to be Malik Willis.
That would be pretty good. He gets traded to the Rams.
Matthew Stafford goes back. In the Interstellar.
Cryogenic sleep. But this time he shows up on
Matt Damon's planet, and Matt Damon takes out his earpiece and
kills him. And Anthony Richardson starts
Week 16 through 18. Spoilers.
Did Zach give me the badge? Because.
I won last year. Yes, that was my idea.
That was my idea. So he had it set up. 2025
winner, like give him that blue crown from the FFPC.
He's like, I'll do the red badge.
So we won with the red badge. Very nice, right.
Thank you. I appreciate that.
All right. I still.
Can't see underdog ADP in Mexico?
Because of the Because of the cartel.
But is Mike Washington 200 or later, or is he ahead of 200?
I believe he should be. He should be good.
No. He's 215.7.
Yeah, you're good. I will.
Take I will take Mike Washington.
Junior. All right, well, I'm gonna let
these slaps. Keep slapping, just sealing
themselves away. I, I learned lessons from
playing last year. I'm gonna be, I'm gonna take
Geno Smith as, as, as my tip and tip of the bartender.
I'm I'm going to starve the beast at quarterback and and
leave these guys with them with nothing left because chop chop
and Jacob are are drawing a quarterback.
If you if you tipped your waitress with Geno Smith and you
wrote your. Number on the receipt she's.
Not texting you the next day? Well, imagine when you have to
write Chadur Sanders on the receipt, buddy.
Hold that, Hold that wrist down, waitress Josina Anderson.
Because I'm getting an immediate.
DM Yeah, you're going to. Tip out Josephine, which would
which would in fact be my second DM about Chadur Sanders from
Josina Anderson. All right, pics are in.
What's on tap rest of the week? The Olympics are over.
Pat, So you got to find something to do.
Yeah, I'm going to have all this free time that won't be.
Watching the Olympics that I get.
To spend, I recorded a podcast with Eric Proton earlier today
that'll be up soon, and we talked through the rookies kind
of doing a little bit of combine preview, such as getting his
thoughts on the rookie class he's been coming on every year.
And has had some awesome takes follows these guys all year
doing the the college football props and everything.
So that was really fun. Dove deep on the wide receiver
class, but covered the the four positions.
There's just a lot more to talk about at receiver this year.
So check that out. And yeah, check out legendary
upside, sidekick rankings, dynamic rankings, all that good
stuff. Updated every day.
Jacob, you need to get home. Yeah, I first of all, obviously.
I want to thank our dear friends.
At the East Coast cartel. For sponsoring this episode and
my freedom and well, soon I'm going to talk about the running
backs with the most to gain and lose in the upcoming free agency
cycle. And then I've been steadily
working through all of my rookie class stuff.
Most of that's going to start actually rolling out on the site
probably in mid to late March, But it's the process is
processing. And I, I forget if Pat already
just said this 2 seconds ago, but we're, we're, we're doing
our round table tomorrow, right? Good.
I actually forgot to promote that.
So yes, thank. You we are.
We're doing a. Dynasty.
Roundtable talking through the rookie class tomorrow.
I'm ready for all the dynasty content you guys can offer.
I'm your biggest fan, so I'm ready for that.
To listen I I sent you guys a message but can both of you guys
send me a CSV so I have. Visuals ready for the program?
Yes, OK, sure. That's that's Go ahead, Davis.
Sorry, good on that. And then?
I have the the. Swap model is done.
It's done. I shipped it.
It's a web page. You can search it, you can look
at, you can click on player cards, you can do the whole
thing. And I have a video coming out on
that on my channel tomorrow. So if you want to know, how did
someone as dumb as Davis, Matic and non-technical, how did a man
who doesn't even know how to play Call of Duty build a
prospect model that beats draft capital?
Due to a bunch of fancy math that I learned about from
reading Michael Leone articles, You can.
You can watch that and figure out how I did it.
Come look me up. We'll play Atari skiing.
Together, one of the great games.
A classic. Maybe it's not Pitfall, but it's
good. My show in.
Buffalo WGR weekday afternoons. We got a good line up with the
combine and the draft in mind. Tomorrow is Chris Trapasso at
4:00 eastern, Thursday's Theo Greminger, Friday is Mike
Jannetty of Spot Track to get a better feel for the contracts
here in in Western New York. Mike, what's anybody on the the
Ship Chasing channel? What do we got this week?
Do you guys know anything with Pete going on?
Are we doing? I don't think, I don't think I'm
sure we're yeah, I don't think we might be taking another week.
Off, OK. Well, we'll be back next
Tuesday. Thanks.
Jacob, Pat Davis, everybody for watching and listening.
I'm Mike. We'll see you next time.