All right, everyone. Welcome to the sports grade
fantasy football podcast. I'm David somatic joined by
Peter over zet and hopefully eventually joined by Pat crane.
He might be, he might be big timing us right now.
He might, he might have honestly gotten too big for his britches
after this report, This morning, I'm the athletic that Greg
dosage might be the Denver Broncos, starting, tight end.
He might just be like, you might just not even want to deal with
with with the Alberto lovers here.
How much till did that? That report Brig you legit legit
anger. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like,
I'm like starting to get. I'm sorry.
Well, you know, it's like I have you.
You've probably done this where it's like the tea leaves are
kind of leading away from the guy you like throughout the
course of the offseason but you're like, I It stopped
drafting him now like my like I would be so screwed if Alberto
is the Denver Broncos. Back up tight ends.
Now that I gotta just keep going full steam ahead, I can't I
can't wave the white flag now. Well, that's the whole thing
about like portfolio balancing. That is such a messes with your
mind, right? Because it's like, you're making
bets on these guys and then they get cheaper and you're like, how
do I not continue to make this bet?
I feel like I kind of get excited with the when the guys
I've been Hammering start to get pushed up like Rashad white is
one of the guys I've been hammering in Basketball Mania
three but that Lenny reports, you know, coming out yesterday
and now he's starting to inch up and I'm like, okay I can take
the foot off the gas. I already packed my bags with a
drop in price. You're like gotta keep scooping
of it's like, it's like I've expected one day.
I'll to get more expensive because kind of you just get
arise on rookie wide receivers, rookie wide receivers.
I guess maybe we're more a part of the narrative last year but
it's yeah. It's like Wanda.
It's like why can just keep drafting him?
I didn't feel like there's not going, there's not going to be
an upward pressure on his ADT yet, I don't think.
And also quraían is a fraud. I'm looking at his got Fish Bowl
team right now. No, Greg dual Stitch to be
found. He drafted Brevin Jordan over
Craig Dole said so. So maybe maybe the false like
himself is feeling the falsehood of his claims.
How is how is your scalp Fishbowl draft been going for
you? It's been like this is for me,
it's been the weirdest year to do Codfish.
Well, because it generally does feel like the summer kickoff and
buyers were sent. We have so many best ball drops
under our belt that I'm coming in with a completely different
frame of mind than I normally do.
I always, I was actually just thinking that when I said you
and Pat this message to do the show is I was like, normally
this is when people start listening to this podcast
specifically when I start you know setting a bunch of fantasy
football tweets every single day like that is gone.
Like like the the day the day that the fantasy football.
Engine starts is basically the day that the NFL draft ends and
we have like an idea. I would say this scheduled a was
probably one of the biggest ones, but best Ball Mania three
was out even before the schedule.
So in some way for us, giant nerds sickos.
Like it does it it's no longer. I think like The Unofficial
start of fantasy football season which is a bit odd.
Yeah, but I guess what makes it fun to and well I'm sure.
Are going to get into. This is like, you know, we're so
used to being anchored to these atp's on the sites.
And, you know, we're in almost an ATP holding pattern.
I mean, I'm bouncing around looking at some of these drafts
that you guys are posting looking at my it's like it's the
wild west. Like these atp's are all over
the place. Not every draft is so similar in
the way they are on Underdog. Like, just Rogue picks left and
right. I mean this is this is insanity,
it spread, it's probably my favorite thing is like you.
Really just have no clue who's going to be there at your next
pick. Like, like you could be like,
for example, I think the craziest pick in mine for me,
was, I got Marquis Brown at the 706 and I was like, shit.
I might have taken him three rounds earlier, you know, it's
like it's like and the the, the horrible take away that everyone
has from these rosters. Every single year is wide
receivers. Don't get any special benefit
from the scoring, right? Tight ends get the benefit good
quarterbacks get the benefit. And everyone loves running backs
anyway. So like it's it is so easy to
just draft 8 wide receivers all of whom you love.
It's this it no matter. What Scott does to the rules is
the same every single year at wide receiver.
Yeah. And it doesn't just because the
scoring is different, it doesn't change the value proposition of
them. It's like if I hit I just
drafted. Deonte Foreman in the eighteenth
round of CMC gets hurt. Like, it doesn't cheat like,
Deonte forbids going to benefit from the running back scoring,
and then we're just playing into You the same kind of you know,
positional dynamics that we're trying to push in other formats.
So yeah, I will say though and I've been feeling this
everywhere, we're starting to feel it in our first.
One of our first ffp. See Main Event drafts like the
tide is turning like draft rooms are just so much more willing to
draft wide receivers early and often in ways that I've never
seen before. I have definitely I have
definitely noticed that even when you know, the the the ffp
see, grinder start to post their draft boards and stuff now.
Now, they do still do the classic ffcc grinder thing,
which is any running back with a semblance of upside does get
like, like actually the the the profile of guy that the Grinders
used to like like a Josh Jacobs? Or is he go Elliot or whatever?
Those guys are actually like relatively in their same range
as Underdog but like Mojo posted this the other day, like Travis
etn. If you want them, you really got
to take him because he might go at the 301, sometimes and like
to Pollard is way pushed up, but there are, I mean, I think that
the people have finally started to understand like the, the
basic math that wide receivers score more points.
And that really the. Number one thing is, like,
consistency does not matter in fantasy football at all because
most weekly scores are not closed.
Yeah, and I think the other thing in general to is like you,
you still have like the typical drafters and the people that
have their running back early philosophy.
But what I've noticed is, you know, two years ago, you would
be the only 0r B drafter in the room.
And you might be the one of to like anchor running back
drafters in the whole room like one in weight.
And now, like, you'll have two to three anchor.
Guys, you'll have 1220 are be like it now is like almost a
50/50 of people who are at least drafting within smart structures
and so it's like these rooms are getting tougher.
Yeah, so I think for the first time in like shit, I can't even
remember how long I didn't take a quarterback in the first round
so like I normally I normally set it up.
Here we have, we have karein. He is he was late.
He was, he was drafting on stream with Liam.
He's coming in Pat, we're already.
We're already recording right now.
We did not. We did not wait for you because
Pete, Pete, of course, has a hard out, but, but you're here.
Welcome to the show, buddy. Thanks, guys, this is entirely
my fault, so no problem that you start with that me.
Well, I said then I sent the link to gratitude, so he might
just show up out of nowhere to, I mean, kitchen says that A time
now, like trying to big-time swirl cast, even though I'm part
of the crew that asked for a Regular Show time.
But I mean, we are saying that at the top of the show, bet that
you're now to big time. After this great Dole chich
report that you're now really feeling yourself and feel like
you don't have to show up on time to things anymore just been
run around the park and super short shorts.
I did notice. I looked up your Scott fish
whole team though. You took Brevin Jordan over Greg
Olson. So how much of a Believer can
you really be? Well, I believe those are still
available Davis so let's not let s do it better.
Be, he better be. I took I took Alberto in the
eighth rounds of my draft and I feel I feel great about that.
Cision, I got ya, I got the Broncos tied in one I got.
I got dusted knocks at 9:12, you're taking the Alberto, the
ate my league, my league win pretty aggressive on the tight
ends as we were talking about it is.
But it's because of you because you discovered about that, Well,
I mean, you guys, you guys know this, like it is, it is a very
interesting challenge, because I also cards on the table.
My projections are not done for this season yet I have not gone
through every team in the NFL, so I didn't have like a cheat
sheet to draft of off of really this year because I've just been
drafting off of ATP on Underdog, really?
Yeah. So and I was, I was flying a
little blind and I think I think those results are are showing
but I Pete you took Josh Allen 101 and also I think why, why
the 101? What was the, what was the
thought there? No, I have to take an L on this.
I remember even Pat was asking us a while back which draft flat
should you get? And I just I literally gave zero
thought this year. I remember in previous years we
had kind of like gamed it out and I just I literally in
previous years in previous years it used to be a big Advantage.
I think. Yeah.
I mean the third president really messed it up.
Yeah. I would do 1050 on sex and He
time if I could do it over so cards on the table, I signed up
for the 101 originally and I got invited into like the 101 group
chat, and then someone and they're mentioned the third
round of versatile. And I was like, I will be
leaving and changing my paper because I care.
I literally was the Deuces. I was like, I was especially
because I would take Mahomes anyways, who I think ended up
third in a teepee in the scopic. Yeah, he ended up third behind
Allen Herbert so it made it made no sense.
And I actually thought there was a reasonable chance I would get
Mahomes at seven. That was his max, well ATP,
because I asked you, what drafts lat, and you told me, five,
which thank you. I've, I've really enjoyed the
five site, but they wind up at 7:00.
So, I thought, five, I thought five and seven were basically
the same value prop, depending on how much you valued getting a
quarterback versus. Did you include McCaffrey and
cup as part of like the super premium ass Assets because
obviously seven you get the better pick coming back around
but five you get the you're locked into a quarterback, you
love. And that is what I ended up
taking the cab free at 7 is and I wanted to have McCaffrey and
in one of these ladies because obviously it's really hard to
get McCaffrey in the main event like I would is he going he's
going first overall in the main event or is Jonathan Taylor
still going because Underdog? He is now officially flip And
Cooper cup. He is he is going s.
Now he is it was a 103 in both of our main event rap so far.
Yeah there's just no logic to taking him over into taking,
Jonathan Taylor over him if you're trying to win a million
dollars, in my opinion. Yeah, saying right.
I agree with that. Take.
And also, I've been tilting. My Scott fish bowls lot too.
Because what happened is my draft room.
Ended up not prioritizing quarterbacks that much.
I got Justin fields at 7:12. I didn't end up taking Zach
Wilson because I started with Alan and Lance, but Zach Wilson
fell. And now I'm just kicking myself
because, if I had that 15 or whatever, it's like, you get one
of the elite guys, maybe you get Jamar Chase.
Like, we're back at did and then Trey Lance Falls to you in the
mid third. I'm Just like, I screwed this
whole thing up and I hate it. Yeah, I I just described my
star. I do I get treatments.
That's why I really felt about it.
I also, I also took Trail ants in the second round, which I
think people think is bad. I think I'm the general tenor.
Is that keep that? I think people are saying the
tray, Lance is like not a fit for the scoring system or
whatever, but my thing is one trailing.
It's is going to run for a fuckload of points, but if he,
if Trey Lance runs for Crazy amount and randomly happens to
have an efficient passing season.
Just because of Kyle Shanahan. Like he is going to dust this
scoring system. He is going to be like
Irreplaceable. I think he could to like they
they could throw like super low volume.
But high efficiency could be like you know, kind of like Ryan
Tannehill type of, I don't think it'll be as past heavy know who
you were arguing to me. Last off seat.
Yeah, I think you stack the Titans and Scott Fishbowl 11 and
you were saying they were a good fit for this.
Scoring system and I was wrong about that they were a good fit
for the scoring system. Yeah.
It's like low volume High completion percentage.
Which I mean that seems kind of like San Francisco's deal.
You know, I know Lance looks a little unwieldy as a pastor last
year but that was a year ago. So this is this goes back to the
whole thing like and you could apply this conversation to a lot
of scoring formats and people's unwillingness to take on risk
and things that haven't happened before.
And it's like of course if we just look at like the super
small sample sizes of these guys and try to retrofit them to the
scoring system, they're not Look good.
Put like we're placing bets on guys that we think are going to
be able to wildly outperform. Their expectations are their
drafts lot period, right? Yeah.
Matter the scoring right? Like it could Trail ants flame
out this year, absolutely? Like that's well within the
range of outcomes or he could just be an absolute boober.
Smash in any you know, scoring nuances relative to Scott
Fishbowl scoring could just be like blown out of the water.
Yeah well so like Lamar Jackson was the 108 Eight in my league.
And I know his draft a pretty highly in every League.
Like Jalen hurts was the 2001. Yeah, so, I mean, Lance, I think
was totally fine in the late S. I think that's totally fine.
Now, if you get them at 308, this episode, I mean, getting
him getting him, where you got them, I think is a huge deal
because you were able to me in my mind you got almost three
first-round picks fat because you got Mahomes how did Chase go
to 2008 in your league was like What, what what were you with?
Robust are be drafters like how did that?
Because the 101 it is pretty wild couples the 101 and then
Jefferson was the 2007. So there's this huge stretch
where no one took another wide receiver.
See, that's so obnoxious, because I chase went in the
first round in mine. That is actually really annoying
to me. I should mention.
I say, that's ridiculous. I was one pick away from getting
Justin Jefferson at 212. He went to 11 so that we Have
noticed some of those wide receivers falling because I do
think there is this, you know, people worry about an avalanche
and they're like, what if the next time I come around?
There's no quarterbacks. Well, the Bible I did that.
I did that in mine. I took two at the 306, which
was, I think compared to getting Trail ants in the third round,
very rich. However, if I may defend myself,
I think to is hashtag a good fit for the scoring system because
he would he have a month with eighty percent completion or
whatever last year. Like and Now, he's going to be
working screen passes into Tyreke.
Oh, I don't know. I'm a little bullish on the
Dolphins, like, at least in terms of range of outcomes.
But I think two in the third round, was probably a bad pick.
What can you do? I'm with you that he fits the,
the scoring system is, I think the system fits the scoring
system as well. Yeah.
Well Drew Brees used to be the example of this where like he
would add these games with like 240 passing yards in the sky
Fishbowl. But he would complete like 32
check dance, Alvin Kamara and just wrapped up the points Pete,
you took you got the DeAndre Swift.
You must have been sweating getting Beyond race with the 312
because that is he is he is kind of a classic motive is running
back post. Your boy right now.
Yeah I mean I was completely prepared heading into this draft
to do what we've seen. A lot of us do of just ripping
wide receivers quarterbacks and tight ends for a while but I
missed out on the elite tight end I didn't get like a waller
or kidal or pits gift like I saw some you guys get and so then
Swift was hanging around there instead of so instead of kind of
like, you know, chasing maybe wide receiver tight end, picks
there. That I didn't think were as
valuable, I decided to just kind of take the big cut with the
Andre Anchor that then that allowed me to kick down my
running back to can down to, you know, 1312.
Now, Pat, I need to eviscerate your kicker stance live on air,
because taking kickers in a draft in July, is I think
totally cannot you cannot do it because the cost of losing a
stash spot for a guy who might jump Ten rounds in a teepee due
to a training camp injury. I think is is terrible.
Well, I haven't drafted a kicker and I'm 80.
No, I know, I know you haven't but you were you were kicking it
around and it's become. It's become a real topic of
discourse on Twitter this week. So the stance that you're trying
to eviscerate here is curiosity. Yes, learning.
Yes. No, we can't have that.
Everyone's gotta have a clock. Yeah.
From a, from a third to September first, you have to
have total, take surveying the community for their thoughts.
That's this, that's the stance. We can't have it.
I'm sorry, I should know, they shouldn't know, but that that is
I do. It's like people people did this
last year to when he introduced the kicker's and it's just like,
you can't. And like I have I think I have
the same amount of running backs and wide receivers on my roster
and this which obviously I would never do in a league where you
couldn't make transactions. But the value of the 18th 19th
20th, round running back is like so clear.
And this is true in like the main event slows that you guys
are doing to like when it gets to be these later.
Lottery tickets, you're going to be looking at like okay Sean
Bond who is not 260 pounds or you know, Deb and Duvernay art
Alan Wallace or whatever and it's like well the running back
is just the better value proposition.
When you're drafting early, we took James White in the last
round which like I mean isn't you know he's probably not going
to make the Patriots but in like the main event you have a
preseason waiver wire run. So like guys who are super
binary like that Like, I'm willing to take on even more
risk and, you know, these manage leaks than, than best ball
obviously. So Davis feel free to say, what
is James White do for this team? What is it?
James White James White is it has like a good range.
I mean, his range includes not playing professional football
this year. His range includes being the
third down running back for the Patriots.
It includes getting cut and being signed by the Buccaneers
getting cut and getting signed by the Chiefs like there are
there are good offenses who are kind of without third down.
For our really locked in third down backs right now so I don't
hate it. I mean I I wonder if Gretch has
take of time Montgomery's is maybe a similar way to play it.
Like I could see I could see either of those guys being
fantasy contributors this year. Yeah, and I think the thing that
is nice and it plays in 20 are be built in general, in this can
apply to the backend of your Scott Fishbowl roster.
Any of these formats where you do have a waiver run before the
season starts, these lies that are Terry propositions as far as
holds or Cuts like that. So nice because I'm constantly
viewing our selections through the lens up.
Hey, is this a promising? Rookie, we're going to have to
sit on for nine. Ten weeks before you feel
comfortable, cutting him. Or is it just a guy in a Back
Field where it's like, let's just figure out if you know,
Jeff Wilson jr. Is actually the running back to
in in San Francisco and then and then we can make that decision
accordingly. So those guys were, you know,
it's binary. I love those pics right now.
That's a That is a great point. So like I skipped over DeAndre
Hopkins a couple times when I would have liked to have taken
in mind because Hopkins and best of all, you know, exactly what
you're getting. You know, exactly why you're
drafting him. But like, you know, it's so
different when you have to manage each roster spot.
Like, I don't know, could be, could be weak for.
I could have for injuries and like really need to spend waiver
dollars on, you know, player X, Y, or Z.
And it's like, I don't want to cut Hopkins, but he just feels
like total dead weight and the Jalen told Burt 1l Robins guys.
They're not dead weight, but they're basically roster spots
that you're getting, you're assuming you're getting nothing
out of for like six weeks, which is a tough ask even though I
guess the 22 roster spots is is a big roster here.
Well, we have the same decision in the main event, we only have
18 scope players and we have Marquis Brown already and we
were look at we're staring real hard.
It taken DeAndre Hopkins in the sixth, but I mean that roster
spot in the main event super valuable, really any Neely like
if it's valuable in an 18 skill player League it's going to be
really valuable and any manage league.
So we ended up taking Kyler instead and hoping maybe the
Hopkins would come back around. He didn't we got the Monte Smith
instead which I feel totally fine about.
But part of it was like, do we really want to be holding this
DeAndre Hopkins spot for six weeks?
When when like we got sniped on Cuyler and don't actually have a
completed double stack. So with the Hopkins, crane, I
notice you week 7. Teen stacks, you grab Jerry,
Judy. As your as your Mahomes bring
back in the Scott fish, bowl. Yep.
Scottish was interesting because there's only two weeks that
really matter. It's 16 17.
Yeah, and and you are carrying over your regular season points
with you, anyways. Right.
So it works kind of the same way as the main event where you're
scoring series season matters. So, the week 17 points,
definitely matter, you want to get a lot of week, 17 points,
but you also need to have a team that has done very well.
Up until that point because if you're if you're like the last
team that gets into the playoff or whatever, you could be it,
like a 20, 30 point disadvantage already.
Basically, it doesn't that make Elite quarterback more valuable?
Because like, if you're sort of figuring out your schedule Flex
you know you get stuck with a couple - scores from your
quarterback while you figure it out like that sticks with you
for the whole playoffs. Yeah, Pete.
You did not draft for shot white.
In this got Fishbowl. Unlike unlike me and crane.
Are you having regrets on taking Darrell Henderson over Rashad
white right now? We did, I'm pretty sure we're
Shaun. White was off the board when I
took Henderson. Well, I can't I'm not looking at
your board. I'm just looking at your team.
So I'm just assuming that decision before Henderson every
single time. So I think would be very weird
if I did it. Matt's it just it is the nut low
especially when we're trying to do all these sacs that we're
trying to do. It really does suck.
Like I when I draw the 112, I'm just like this team's going to
be bad. I I completely agree.
I was thinking about that the other night.
I was like, I hope I have that. You requested the 101.
I'm taking the L. I've argued that he's not, he's
not defending himself, he's all. But I was also thinking about
this in context of I was writing a little bit about the first
round for like an upcoming newsletter piece, and it was
really crystallizing to me the advantage that early drafters
and specifically drafters in the early middle have this year
because depending on where your personal tear break is in the
third round, you know, for me it's kind of after Mike Williams
goes. I mean not only are you getting
a top-five player when you have a picks one through five, but
then I don't you guys like Debo and T, Higgins and Javonte
Williams like any different than CD lamb and Joe Mixon.
And those guys, so then you're getting like the same version of
those guys on the turn and then you're getting the tier break
when it wraps back around. When you're getting an AJ Brown
Mike Williams, even a Nick Chubb if you're going running back.
And so I'm like the advantages this year to having an early
draft slot are massive and they compound through the first three
rounds. Yeah.
It's it's it's a it's more insane than it normally is and
You also have the, you also have the fact that like, I think that
we're probably going to see a shake-up of the, of the ADP,
like in route, like picks 7 through 15.
Like once we started to get some preseason like that shape of his
life stuff too. So it's like you you also have
this weird distribution of exposures.
We're like you might have been drafting Derrick Henry or
whatever and Derrick Henry might end up being like the 14th guy
in ATP by September. So it's like you have a bunch of
teams that drafted player acts at 8, and that combo is, is
unique in a bad way where someone else got them far
cheaper. I don't know.
I just like opening up a draft and finding out you got the
ninth pick. I'm just like, fuck.
And yeah, that's all my drafts these days, like every single
one, I don't know what's going on.
It also leads me to draft the same team, a bunch of different
times two because I'm never taking Henry.
So I'm just like always clicking.
Dalvin cook or Kelsey there and then starring the same players
later on. So you just end up having the
same Stacks. It's it's like, it's bad, I
don't like it. The only Silver Lining actually
did a draft last night and I'm taking advantage of this.
Why this still exists. I've done some hyper fragile
from the back end of round one. So last night, I started, Dalvin
cook, then grabs a Quan, and then got Alvin Kamara in the
late 3rd before that ins. And again, they're not my plate.
Favorite players to take, but like versus taking watered-down
versions. You know, what everyone else is
doing in the first couple of rounds it at least feels like an
angle where you could potentially get ahead on the
leak. Yeah, so what Pete, you you
mentioned, this there seemed to be a huge gap between what the
market deemed as Elite, quarterbacks and then the
secondary quarterbacks for like I got you got Justin fields of
the 712. I took Daniel Jones in the 10th
rounds of my draft and it just feel.
It's honestly it. Had I had that for so I probably
would not have selected a quarterback.
I took two in the third, but I would have just done.
Like, I would have taken Daniel Jones, Kenny Pickett and Marcus
Mariota, and just kind and held for roster spots for a
quarterback and kind of just played the whatever their
matchups happen to me. That that feels like that
strategy is going to be worth more points than taking, like
the quarterback, 14, and the third round or whatever.
Yeah. Yeah.
And it was hard to just like read these the rooms and stuff
too. Like it's so easy to know on
Underdog. Like hey, I know that I can wait
on Daniel Jones because he's going to reliably be here.
You know, and these rooms it's like, yeah, I'm not passing up
on Justin, feel to this price point because I have no idea if
Daniel Jones and Zach Wilson aren't just going to snap come
off the board right after him. Well I don't have a third
quarterback. Actually, I like this Bill P
where you had Alan Lance and then the really nice price on
fields. I just have to at the moment and
I'm going to figure out if I'm going to try to tackle on like a
Gino or just. Yeah.
What's your what's your, what's your plan?
Their you taken or you taking Geno Smith or a baker Baker went
Baker went before Daniel Jones in mind, which I thought was,
was odd. But are you going to tack on
like a rookie quarterback? I think Ritter still available
on of Mariota Mariota is not available and Gino is available.
I was I was leaning towards technology know if he gets back.
The general, the general cheat code in Scott Fishbowl in years
past has been to take a first-round quarterback who is
not projected to be the starter. So, like Justin Herbert, if you
take in Mac Jones last year, you know, something, something like
that. Those had all been huge sheets.
Did the issue is, is that no one can talk themselves into Kenny
ticket? Like, no one, no one believes
in. Kenny picket Scott, Barrett
believes in him and took him in the 15th, round.
I mean, that I just fun. Yeah.
Certainly I mean that that seems that seems absolutely.
How did you get Waller at the 508?
How did you get Waller? Yeah, sure after his Underdog
and he, it's crazy mean, I'm the only one who cannot tell you
that look talk to the other 11 people leak.
I was just sitting there going. Okay, this seems rollers wohlers
average ATP was the 30 to 30 38th overall.
Yeah, Pat, it looks like you got him.
The third latest. There were two teams that got
him at 5:10, but just an absolute absurd price point on
him. Well, the funny thing about it
right is I took Lance of the 308.
Then Aaron Jones was available at the 405 that felt like a
pretty nice value and I'm actually thinking obviously have
no chance at Waller but I'm looking at kid'll kid on Waller
provide some cover. So maybe be I get super, super
lucky and kill gets back to 508 and then kittel went like I
don't tend to like 10 picks before Waller.
I remember just sitting there being like well there's no
chance Waller gets to me. Now kiddo went 48th and I got
Waller 56. It is it like I'm just looking
at these men atp's right now and the the spread of guys who have
single bit. So there were 25.
No, there were 30 players who went in the first round of
various got fish bowl. Apps like that.
That spread is so insane. I mean, it's what I'm saying.
Is the Scott Fishbowl really is more of an art.
It's less, it's less of a science and it's, it's more of
an art because people are kind of just taking whoever they want
to take. It's like it's like not just the
fun of it. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Pat you you got you all. This is not even fun to do with
you. Your team is so much better than
ours. So obnoxious you got Tony
Pollard in the 10th round and then God At your mom's stack,
with Sky more. And the 11th round.
Yep. Yep.
Is that good? He's supposed to do that.
Yeah, that was not. That was fun.
I will say, with the, the running backs here, I want to
build more teams like this in best ball.
And, you know, try to talk to you guys in to do.
And Main Event seems like this because like I just so I didn't
take any, I took Jerick McKinnon in the 18th but after Aaron
Jones and the fourth, I went Pollard Rashad Way Madison as a
Spiller. I just did only the contingent
by you guys, which is a really fun way to draft.
And how did you hear that Davis? Pat pat, what is interested in
doing drafts? Were with us for we get gifted
players around. Has a BP, I would yeah, yeah.
Some of this guy's just get automatically imported to our
team and we don't have to sweat it out like yes I will be taking
Rashad white. I will be taking Darrell
Henderson. I'll get Greg dulcich when I
want him. I'll just take I'll just take
the guys that I want II would also sign up for that.
It's a good strategy. I should employ this more often.
Are you guys are you guys doing anything with this Leonard
fournette stuff? Like you care.
Do you care at all? Not really.
I'm hoping to draft him now because I haven't really
drafted. I think I have like three
percent on Underdog and I think he's probably totally fine where
he's going. So that's like probably bad
take. But maybe I can get bailed out
of a slightly bad take there and I can get some early, third
torn. I did, I would've been?
I did, I did two drafts yesterday and I noticed that he
was going later like he was hanging around when like Nick
Chubb. We still on the board and
normally there's a two-year break between those guys.
Yeah, I'm interested in him. At that price.
Give me give me some 260-pound fournette there.
No, well, my thing with it too. Is like, I just have to be
honest with myself, I can't laugh off the people panicking
about trailing. Burke's has asthma, and say,
it's a non-story and I'm buying the dip and then be like, no,
but do this letter for me? That's a little overweight.
Think is actually a canary the coal by did?
You could never draft of so, well well you gotta you gotta
just for the cost of like Burke's perks.
The most expensive Burke's got was like late sixth letter for
now. Going in the second round and he
might be the size of a hippopotamus, but I would say
that Leonard fournette, like the kind of risk, which is already
kind of baked into his ATP in the early third, right?
Like, if you eliminated any consider it, if he was, if his
name was, if his name was Jonathan Taylor, Christian
McCaffrey or whatever. And he had had this season he
just had yeah, he'd be a first-round pick.
Exactly. And so I feel like the market is
already kind of smartly bake that in.
And now, like you said, And if we're going to get a little bit
more of a discount, or he's slipping to like the mid third,
like then I will grab grab a few of my shares.
Have you guys been drafting much of him in the second?
Basically zero and the second all, sometimes take him early
third, my bags are already pretty packed on him.
I've mm 12 percent because I had a good stretch of getting
McCaffrey a bunch and so, you know, you star U star U star all
the Buccaneers. And so he would just he would
just be there a lot. I think, I think maybe I got
like, in one of the puppies, I got maybe the first puppy.
I got a bunch of them. I mean, I had no No issue, I
think, I mean, I think every Buccaneers running back is good
at coughs, I think for Nets find it cost.
I think that Richard, white is really good at cost and Hayden
kind of talked me into Keyshawn Bond.
He said something to me the other day about Keshawn Vaughn
going in, like, like, only being drafted and like, 3% of best
Ball Mania drafts. And I'm like, shit.
I don't know. He could be out there, bro.
Did he didn't tell you, his Source was David kitchen, his
boots on the ground. We also tell you to live a
little The little a note that the live a little ethos is
absolutely the Scott Fishbowl. It's just like yeah, just live a
little dude in the sky Fishbowl. That is the correct ethos.
Yeah it's maybe not the correct ethos in baseball Mania.
Let's let's look up soccer Dave's team and let's see.
Wow. What a, what a fraud actually
sounds fun. Let me piss.
Does he only took Trail on birds but no Ryan Tannehill.
No, Derrick Henry, no Robert Woods has not Selected for
exercise. Not there anymore.
Is it your awesome new place? It's not.
It's not selected. Austin Hooper.
Don't know how I feel about my strategy.
That Dave also took two in the third round.
No, I don't know how good that feels.
He's and he's got a chief super stack.
He basically just Stolen Valor in this draft, David?
Yeah, he took. He took Mahomes Juju Clyde over
to layer sky and MBS. Wow!
He is just living my dream, right?
This no roof and I know he's a new man, a draft in 0r B best of
all Mania teams on stream. Stacking up, the Chiefs he's
really Progressive these days. Dave, Dave catering to the 0 RB
folks on this whole cast last week.
Was it really was all time. Just being like, Oh I love 0, RB
teams. I do this all the time.
As he pulls up his exposures for two drafts. 100% real on Burks
for him though. Oh man, what did you guys like
with through the Scott Fishbowl dress?
I mean, I've basically been using the ADP, the kind of and,
you know, I've been bullying the ADP more than I would on
Underdog. But have you guys found any
other in efficiencies and like the mid to late rounds or you
know, either positions or specific players?
You think the market is is undervaluing way too much.
There's like a tear of running backs that get drafted all the
time and best of all drafts that the market just completely
forgot about. Honestly, I think because of the
way, the ADP is ordered in the draft applet.
So like the Raheem moster Sony. Michelle D Earnest Johnson,
Jerick McKinnon group of guys seems to be a bit like, and I
this was another thing I was taking on bridge with well while
we're, while we're mad at the fantasy football Community, is
that the response to Yeah, it's fine to take a kicker because
the pickings are so bear at the end of the draft II, totally
disagree with that. I just, I just took dearness
Johnson with my twenty first twenty first round pick the, the
drumbeat of cream hunt getting cut.
Still seems to be pretty loud in which case during his Johnson is
like, literally pretty close to being like a top. 120 ish pick
in fantasy football drafts. And that's just one example of
why again, taking a kickers bad but yeah, that that tier of
running backs. Seems to be pretty free and I
think the thing with the kicker conversation for me it's not
that kickers aren't going to be useful in Scott Fishbowl.
It's just you can pick them up on the waiver wire when you need
them. When you know it and you can
stream them at. Whereas you can take a higher up
side BET right now on a contingency play.
Like you said that could you know jump massively and value
where there's just zero chance that a kicker can jump in value.
So I think there's way too much opportunity cost in drafting
them now but I guarantee you Of these are going to be kicking
around on the waiver wire, we see it every year, there's, you
know, kicker battles, even, you know, guy's flipping each other
on the depth chart like, there's going to be opportunities to get
these guys on the waivers. Yeah, I think that's the winning
argument because it's one of those things where, if the
market it decided like, no, no, we're drafting all the kicker's
like, I'm going to start, you know, two kickers a week to fill
these flexes which, like, the way they score.
Like, I mean that could work but like you're giving up a lot of
opportunity cost because like you know, there's all these but
so like that kicker a kicker might like help you scrape
through a couple weeks but like the nuts teams are the teams
that hit on Like this is just the tired example but you know,
drafted last year's James Conner and Leonard fournette and
whatever stud rookie wide receiver ends up break, you
know, it's like it's like the teams that hit on three of their
late round selections. They're going to be using those
guys in there Flex pots and those guys are going to be
crushing Harrison bucker or whoever.
Yeah, but you also going to have some injuries by weeks and you
have a score, the files you the whole time.
So it does like if there weren't going to be any kickers on the
waiver wire or just like maybe guys, we like lose their jobs
and new guy pops up. Then I actually think there'd be
a decent case for drafting them. But is there is there a by
mageddon this year remember week, six last year?
The, the by mageddon is there, is there really a really bad one
this year? Think it's more spread out this
year. Although, I did pad, did you
see, the Tweet people asking us if we're worried about our Kyler
Marquis Brown stack with the lake Cardinals, pie during the
PC playoff. So like that's something people
are starting to bring into the conversation, week 14 week, 14
as a huge amount of buys, but it's not really, it's not really
any team. I mean, I Jonathan Taylor as a
week 14 by that's kind of interesting for the main event
and really, and really pondered that.
Did you have a week 14 by last year to that sounds familiar?
I remember the Chiefs had a week 14, by two years ago, which was
problematic. A or SAR week, 13 back when the
playoff start in week 13, because of the extended schedule
or whatever, maybe maybe. Yeah.
Week nine, the Cowboys, the Broncos and the 49ers are all on
by. So those are lots of top, you
know, 100 picks or whatever. Who are all on by at that time.
Not great, but nothing nothing like week, six last year where
it was like every good team was on a bye week 6.
Yeah, well I don't I don't really stress.
The bye week stuff that much especially when they're later
and I get that it's a money week and stuff like that.
But specifically I guess this it doesn't pertain to Scott
Fishbowl but at least on ffp see where you can stream
quarterbacks it's just a start 1qb.
I'm not really too worried about it and you know the hope is that
you've built up such a strong team around it by then as well
that you can. You can sacrifice that for a
while. So like the big money and ffp.
See is in the final three weeks. It's for The collars on by for
week 13 which is the first week of your playoffs in your
division in your in your 12-team league.
I mean so hopefully because you had Kyler for 12 weeks, you've
got a bye week you know I mean I'm an automatic bid is what I
mean to. So the finals.
Yeah but don't don't though the points you score that we do
carry over I mean but that'll be true with any quarterback,
right? Every quarterback has a bye
week. You're not going to get their
score every single week. Yeah.
So you would be you definitely you definitely would be hope.
Going to get the automatic bid, the automatic bid saves a lot of
Heartache from from from personal experience.
You don't want to be, you know, we took a zero at kicker one
week because we used all our Fab on my Davis.
I think I don't know. It was is tough.
You learn a lot. You learn a lot playing
high-stakes fantasy football. You you definitely have a chance
to learn from your mistakes. For sure, it's going to be
crazy. Like it is, I do feel like we're
kind of in this bubble like this protected bubble of like just
sort of quiet. You know that things really
haven't happened yet. There's not chaos, they just
remembering the type of fat bits that we have put in the past and
will surely put in this year. The Eli Mitchell, the Eli
Mitchell week 15 beds just like an all-time range of outcomes,
right? Where people were showing their
ass so hard by saying not to bid on him, which was Oh yeah, one
of that. One of the funniest a, but I
mean, look, there will be. There will be some, I don't know
who it's going to be. I don't know what team, but
there will be some running back. Who is getting bids over 50% of
your remaining budget this year? No doubt about it.
Yeah, hopefully it's Rex Burkhead.
Who is selected? There are that is another thing
in the sky Fishbowl every year, the the week zero, waiver wire.
Bids generally tend to be pretty important.
Like there are like there are generally, there will be one
running back generally. There will be Quarterback
competition, that gets an answer.
Great goal Stitch will be a week, zero waiver wire
candidate, this year, probably after he scores five touchdowns
in the preseason, the clear the week, one starter.
Yeah, that's not, that's not happening Bud.
Well, we have it's such a sweet position for me to be in because
it's like a third-round, rookie tight enough.
So like the expectations are zero, like if he makes the team,
it's a web-like making this game is like In any playing time as a
whim. If he somehow flips Alberto this
year it's like an all-time Victory lap with no doubt that
II. The blurb had to have been
written by you. It was the most it was it what
really? That's?
Yeah. It's not because it was so
bullish. It was so bullish.
It was like I was just like this at this has Koreans false flag
you know my gear, the Soros of Greg Dolson, it's just like you
know, he's paying Paying your sources via back-channel, the
pump your bags. Here's the true, the true
outcome, right? Is that they both cannibalize
each other and they and they breaks out, right?
Is that what we're that? Seems like where we're headed.
Yeah, ii-i'm kind of that as a victory if I get from the
Albert, oligarchy told me that nothing.
Nothing would happen. They get they gather the liberal
Elite who are propping up Albert.
Yeah, the, the liberal Elites, I'm a man of the people here.
I'm saying, get your Your guy cheap?
Yeah, sure. Maybe only have a couple usable
weeks, but it's, it's great for the cost are either of you guys
are either of you guys starting to get worried that Judy and
sudden are just being way over drafted.
And that the production is going to be pretty flat between all of
the guys they have I'm somewhat worried.
I am still drafting those guys because I'm I'm just very
bullish on Russ. I think Russ is off.
Sure. I really don't think it could be
like overstated, how important it is to build your offense
around your quarterback. Yeah.
Like and like the takes of like, you know, Rusty can throw the
Middle Field, like he's kind of lost a step is accuracy, dropped
off last year, like they're going to have to kind of build a
Seahawks like offense because that's the only thing.
Russ can succeed in it's like, well, it's only thing anyone's
ever built for him and all the That he's had suck like
everything. Darrell Bevell was a Seahawks
offense coordinator. He just ran the Jaguar shit
show, like they haven't had anybody impressive running their
offense like ever and now they will.
So like, I don't know. I'm willing to bet that like,
maybe Russ has a couple more tricks up, his sleeve, if he's
able to run a fast pace offense, which he prefers and one that's
built around the passing game, being the engine, the offense,
it also could be one of those things where like, whichever one
scores, the long touchdowns ends up being the one that really
breaks out and that it might be totally random, right?
I am worried about Judy's routes, like they there seems to
be some reports, you know, that he is kind of playing out of the
slot that he might, he might not be out there for like a Full
Slate of routes, which is a problem at a fifth run ATP
higher dude. He's like 45th I don't really
take him until he hits the fifth but yeah.
All right, let's get let's get out of here on this the best 20
second round pick in the Scott. Fishbowl is who Pete.
The 20th, your very last selection, your 22nd round.
You're getting out of there. You're closing your clothes, in
it, out your filing that away until September.
Yeah, let me look at who's who's available in mind here.
You know, there's two guys to actually, man, there's a bunch
here. So be the reason I'm like
shocked is because these guys have been flying off the board
in our main event drafts. But like three names just right
away that are still available. As I head into my 19th round
here, dear Ernest Johnson who we already mentioned.
You know, Benjamin who I do really think can usurp Darrell
Williams to be kind of the number two there and then Jerick
McKinnon who is just being massively undervalued relative
to what we saw. Why?
And why is this happening, what will your things got physical
exam? Gotta, they got to figure out.
My answer was going to be Gronk but if any of those if any of
those guys are still, those guys are all better selections than
wrong. I just took McKinnon in the
18th, I think. Yeah, I mean maybe it was too
early, but I mean he might be the cheese passing now back.
Plus, I got to get them home step.
I took I took during his Johnson and Keyshawn Von already in mine
so I can't even have that. I have drunk pre-loaded as my
final selection will see if he gets night before I get there.
But I mean a non retired Gronk Goes For What in the week zero
fat bidding. Yeah and I think some people
will just spend 100 because you because you can pick up guys
without spending any money. Yes, zero.
Zero dollar bids Is there was some running back?
I spent $100 on a couple seasons ago.
I think Tyson Williams. I spent like 40 bucks on last
year. Rest in peace.
Rest in peace types of to her Pete.
We got him in one main we were like Cass.
Oh yeah, that was the with us. I was the one we all did
together. We took yeah, man that team and
I still like I can't remember a lot of our native it teams last
year, but I will forever remember our Jonathan Taylor.
You bought a, I do not you. Yeah, top scenes, top scenes.
All right, what's up? What's happening on?
Ship? Chasing this week, Boys.
Don't Kate's coming on and we're, we're doing some prop bet
talk, and we're drafting a team, believe Pete is out, which I
think means I'm one thumbnail Duty again, some nail Duty path.
I was actually gonna offer you an olive branch to be like, I
can't whip you up a thumbnail before we go, but the people do
love watching, you put together your masterpieces.
I used to What we should do is make a highlight video of me.
Making the thumbnail 100%, it is pretty bad.
If you are able to whip up a thumbnail I wouldn't mind not
having the bit this week. It legit does take me a long
time to do this. My only thing is it with Davis
is the guess I have no problem with you.
You know, but Dalton's never been on the show.
I think we could give him a nice glossy of.
Yeah, sure. Let's give them a figure out
about 28 hours from now if he did.
In fact. Thwip up that thumbnail?
You'll know you'll definitely know.
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