1 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:05,640 All right, Ship chasing is back at our afternoon time. 2 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:09,360 We're going to move forward here at this Thursday afternoon time 3 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:10,920 slot. We got lots to catch up on. 4 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:14,840 I believe last time the three of us were on air, it was a late 5 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:18,680 Friday night show with Dink and Leone getting ready for the FFPC 6 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:21,440 playoff challenge. So do a little recap on what's 7 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:25,280 transpired in the playoffs, how our FFPC portfolio is looking, 8 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,680 maybe if we got any other playoff best ball sweats and and 9 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:30,440 the like. It's good to be back, Pete, 10 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:33,920 Gretch and Pat. Let's do some ship chasing here. 11 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:44,280 Pat Fryer, Helmo Anita. Hand Job. 12 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:50,960 Fix your sight. Jamar Alpha play chase you. 13 00:00:51,160 --> 00:00:53,560 Can't handle the heat. It looks like we're finally at 14 00:00:53,560 --> 00:01:03,600 this point. All right, fellas, it does feel 15 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:07,240 like it's been a long time here. We've had a lot of football that 16 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:09,560 has transpired since we were last on the airwaves. 17 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:11,120 How we doing? Gretchen Pat. 18 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:13,720 Doing good. How you guys doing? 19 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,160 Good. Yeah, there's been a lot of 20 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,240 football. We we're last doing the playoff 21 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:21,520 stuff. I was just thinking about it 22 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,800 before we went live. It's crazy. 23 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:28,040 Like, there's still a lot to come for the sweats for like 24 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,440 underdog where you're just trying to kind of advance each 25 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,000 round. But at this point, we're through 26 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:35,360 two rounds. You think of it as like, there's 27 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:40,880 4 rounds in FFPC, 110 of the 14 teams are finalized. 28 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:45,200 The other four teams have, you know, have played and we kind of 29 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:46,800 have an idea of what they're going to be as well. 30 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:50,440 Like the tournament's like 90% done right, right? 31 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,520 Yeah. Well over on on underdog and 32 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,600 stuff, it's it's kind of, you know, it's consolidated too, 33 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,440 because you're there's like kind of these chalk teams that have 34 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,040 advanced like you're kind of you're, there's specific 35 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:08,960 instructions that have advanced. So like you're like, you're, 36 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:14,000 you're happy if you have like a Mahomes Saquon, like I have AI 37 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,520 have a gauntlet that's Mahomes, Saquon, Kelsey worthy Hollywood. 38 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,880 But it's like in a pod with a like a better version of that. 39 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,600 And then I know when I get to, if I, if I get to the final, 40 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,560 that I'm going to be like facing off against probably better 41 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:31,600 probably blocks. There's probably a version of 42 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,120 that team that also has Kareem Hunt or Kareem Hunt and sell 43 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,920 Hollywood, right? So it's like there's that team. 44 00:02:36,920 --> 00:02:40,640 There's also the, the, the Jayden Daniels version of, of 45 00:02:40,640 --> 00:02:44,200 stuff with maybe that has Saquon too, but then also has chiefs. 46 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,480 So it's going to be interesting. I think the bills making the 47 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,440 Super Bowl would really shake up the playoff baseball concept 48 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:53,160 because there's very few bills that have advanced. 49 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:57,000 I also happen to have a live DK team that has Jayden Daniels and 50 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,400 Bills. So this is me also selfishly 51 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,880 hoping that the Bills get that team through, but yeah. 52 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,040 Because if you, if you would have known the outcome and the 53 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:09,240 scores of say like the Bills games and the fantasy points, 54 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:15,240 you probably would have just drafted like Allen, Ty Johnson 55 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:19,400 and like Curtis Samuel, like just like get through with those 56 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,920 two and then just have Allen as like your only piece. 57 00:03:21,920 --> 00:03:23,280 I don't even know that you draft Allen. 58 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:28,040 I think you draft Daniels and Hertz and you, you know what I 59 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,840 mean? And you're like, I'll like 60 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:33,520 because Allen hasn't scored enough points. 61 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:37,640 I had some sick Allen teams I thought heading into last week 62 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:41,040 and I was like, as long as Allen does his part, I'm in and I'm 63 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,520 not. I didn't get it, you know. 64 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:48,880 Yeah, I'm, I'm similar to you. I have one team in the Gauntlet 65 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:50,080 final say it's actually pretty good. 66 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:54,640 It has seven live players, but it is there's a similar 67 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:56,960 construction to a lot of though, which is Mahomes. 68 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,200 It's Mahomes and Daniels on both of them. 69 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,960 And then I have Barkley. But the reason the team like 70 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:05,640 worked out so well is 'cause I had Ladd and JK Dobbins as a 71 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:09,240 round one advancement and then I had likely last week as a one 72 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,400 off piece. And those two things like helped 73 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:13,040 keep the other seven players intact. 74 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:17,240 But you you really had to thread a crazy a crazy needle there. 75 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,360 I don't I don't draft a lot of those, but that's what I've seen 76 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,040 on I mean, I was a Cam. I don't draft any of them other 77 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,440 than with you guys a little bit. But that's what I'm saying on 78 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,160 Twitter is people being like the ways to advance this year were 79 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:33,200 to just have like basically, not necessarily good builds, builds 80 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,600 like the what the the lineup center thought to be dead. 81 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,600 We're just taking random players from different teams that have 82 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:38,960 a. Bad. 83 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:42,920 Well, you needed to have like a kind of a team That was not what 84 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:48,160 I would say was like optimal, but wasn't a total garbage pile 85 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,720 either, right, Because you need to have a lot of teams that are 86 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:56,080 so the the nuts, the nut. Like if you have Jay and Daniels 87 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:00,720 with a bunch of Eagles, that's pretty sweet because especially 88 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,080 if you have like Bills or Chiefs on the other side, now you're 89 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:04,280 like, you're feeling great. You couldn't. 90 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:07,080 Get the Eagles through because AJ Brown's done nothing. 91 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:08,960 Devante Smith has done nothing like. 92 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:10,240 Well, that's why you need Daniels. 93 00:05:10,840 --> 00:05:14,160 You have to have Daniel to make. You had to basically use you had 94 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,360 to build like the Eagles had a bye with commanders with your 95 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,360 bye league team. And but like then then you'd be, 96 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:23,880 but you'd still like built a very structurally sound team 97 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:25,600 with that one thing. Like I'm going to draft the 98 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,400 Eagles, like they're not going to score any points because they 99 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:30,600 have a bye. But then I'm going to like keep 100 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,880 it ideological after that so that I have like a bunch of live 101 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,400 commanders, bunch of live chiefs or Bills. 102 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:38,080 You're right. And you probably have lad or 103 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:39,880 some other advance rate piece on there too. 104 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,440 That's dead. But it's tough because you you 105 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:48,000 still need to have like, you know, 6-7, ideally more live 106 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:53,760 pieces, but it's tricky. Yeah, and we were talking about 107 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,960 this on Swellcast and Davis's line was Kitchen said did you 108 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,600 learn anything because Davis didn't advance any. 109 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:02,280 James and David just said what is there to learn? 110 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,080 And partly it does. Like with the randomness of how 111 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:08,400 some of this breaks, it's like, I don't know what the actionable 112 00:06:08,840 --> 00:06:11,800 takeaways are. It's just a very cruel random 113 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:16,400 game. Yeah, I, I am, I am starting to 114 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,080 let's see, I got this, the team I got through in DraftKings, 115 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:23,960 maybe I can pull it up is I am, I am excited about it. 116 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,000 It requires, I mean, it has to be the right Super Bowl, but. 117 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:35,080 Yeah, the if. I get the right Super Bowl. 118 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:39,400 I'm I'm very live. So we should talk a little bit 119 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:45,200 about our FFPC, obviously, because we went pretty hard at 120 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,720 it like usual. Gretsch, do you want to kind of 121 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,240 maybe set the table for people kind of like what our overall 122 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:55,360 portfolio look like or what kind of our big stands look like 123 00:06:55,360 --> 00:07:03,120 heading into the first round? Yeah, We had 80 teams in the 200 124 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,360 dollar one, so pretty, pretty big. 125 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:11,880 Went pretty hard at it. Like you said, definitely tried 126 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:16,720 to balance our exposures and stuff relative to Pat's 127 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,120 ownership projections, which came in really, really great. 128 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,000 We haven't had time to talk through that, but your ownership 129 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,200 projections were, I think, the best ever, right? 130 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:25,000 I think it was my best every year, yeah. 131 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:27,760 Hats off to you on that. That was awesome. 132 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:34,120 We had, I'm pulling up our leverage right now, our biggest 133 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:41,440 underweight position on I guess this is yeah, it ended up. 134 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:43,200 Being an actual. Leverage. 135 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,760 It ended up being Saquon Barbie. So we were like, look, you know, 136 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:47,640 we went down with Saquon in the regular season. 137 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:48,520 We might as well go. Down. 138 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:53,320 In the post season as well our third biggest was Lad Mcconkey 139 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:57,880 who scored the most non QB actually I think the most raw 140 00:07:57,880 --> 00:07:59,680 points. Remember how grossed out the 141 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:01,800 chat was by the by the lad chalk? 142 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,800 The lad chalk grossed the the the chat could was barfing in 143 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,000 the streets. We had people watching while 144 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:11,400 they're outside walking the dog, just puking into the gutter and 145 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,120 he was the absolute nuts. He was and then we all get to be 146 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:16,600 to puke. He had that 88 yard touchdown 147 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,000 catch. I think that broke Leone because 148 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,920 the first game was going really well for our different positions 149 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:25,280 and that play because we had like an overweight position on 150 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:28,600 the Chargers D, for example. Yeah, and without that play, 151 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:32,200 Lad's score was fine, but not like you had to have it. 152 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,919 And the Chargers D had had a really strong game in a loss, 153 00:08:34,919 --> 00:08:37,320 and they were looking really likely to be the optimal D. 154 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,440 And as soon as he had that play, it's like, well, now Houston's 155 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,080 D, who had already had a defensive touchdown, might be 156 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,360 optimal at a 2 gamer. And a lot of our like Chargers D 157 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:50,920 stuff was like predicated on Nico or we had our overweight 158 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:53,600 position on Joe Mixon as well, because the market really didn't 159 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,760 like the Texans to win. And we, it turns out, smartly 160 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:58,920 played the Texans to win more than the market. 161 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:04,800 Unfortunately, even though the Texans won, lad was so explosive 162 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,080 with that late 80 plus yard touchdown. 163 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:11,240 He had to be in and and the the the Texans saw fades in two 164 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,000 games were viable. So it was almost like you wanted 165 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,440 to be playing it the way that the field did as if the Chargers 166 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:18,720 won. That one didn't break our way 167 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,520 all really because of that Mcconkey big play. 168 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:24,160 That's why I say it kind of broke me in the first game. 169 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,720 But like as we were tracking it through the whole weekend, 170 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,640 everything else went really well for our positions. 171 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:33,840 We also had Maconkey. Maconkey wasn't like someone we 172 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,920 we played with a lot of teams, so we had good Maconkey teams as 173 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,960 well. 56% field ownership, we were at 40%. 174 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:44,880 We were 16 points underweight, but still had him on 40% of our 175 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:46,120 teams. So it's not like we didn't have 176 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,960 any Maconkey, right. And so we had some really good 177 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:52,920 Maconkey teams. What is that 40% of of 80 teams 178 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:56,400 is should be able to do that math, but it's 32, I think I. 179 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,400 Mean, I think that's all right. A decent number of teams, 180 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:01,520 obviously they have Mcconkey, and we had some really good 181 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,240 builds after the Saturday night game. 182 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:07,880 The Sunday morning and the Sunday afternoon was the Packers 183 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,120 game, and we had a really big overweight position on Josh 184 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,000 Jacobs. That was a very specific one 185 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,400 that we thought #1 the Packers had a chance to potentially 186 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:16,920 upset. They didn't really play well 187 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:18,920 enough to do that. But again, that we thought that 188 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:21,200 the field would play it less than the market was telling us. 189 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,320 The odds were because the market did kind of like the Packers in 190 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,360 a way that was maybe a little bit overpriced, but you know, 191 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,000 looking back on it because they didn't look great. 192 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:32,280 But Jacob scored their only touchdown and was sort of the 193 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:35,360 key piece in a loss there. And so we were pumped about 194 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:36,640 that. Jacobs was a guy we knew we 195 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:38,600 needed to get right. We locked him in as the as the 196 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,320 clear Packers piece, but he wound up not even really 197 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:45,240 mattering, in part because the chalk just absolutely smashed 198 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:45,440 in. This. 199 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,680 Contest you could also get that piece was with with Pickens and 200 00:10:48,680 --> 00:10:51,400 stuff right. You could go get another guy who 201 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,120 was like solid in a loss. Those weren't like. 202 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,960 Even Pickens. Pickens, what wasn't super high 203 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:01,080 own, but in terms of actual ownership. 204 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,600 So Jefferson, Nakua were the top 2, but we were talking about all 205 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,600 this before Monday night and Jefferson obviously ended up 206 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:09,920 failing and it did. It did help us because we had a 207 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:14,560 decent Hawkinson position, but Nakua winds up with a pretty 208 00:11:14,560 --> 00:11:16,560 good score. Saquons, the next guy he hits in 209 00:11:16,560 --> 00:11:18,120 this tournament. Kelsey's the next guy. 210 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,520 Clear chalk tight end hits in, you know, in both games so far 211 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:25,320 he's hit big. Mcconkey was the next chalkiest 212 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:29,080 player at 56% by the field. He obviously was massive. 213 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,280 Derrick Henry's next, because the field really played Josh 214 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:36,480 Allen Henry combinations like we talked about and Henry had 190 215 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,560 something rushing yards and two touchdowns in the first round. 216 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:42,200 And so he was it over Allen and Allen threw touchdowns to Ty 217 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,360 Johnson and Dawson Knocks in the first round or whatever. 218 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,280 And then he became the logical 1 and he's in the second round. 219 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:51,160 So yeah, I mean, the Allen teams are very live, but oddly enough, 220 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:53,520 the Jane Daniels teams are are pretty live as well. 221 00:11:53,560 --> 00:11:56,640 Not oddly enough, but the the Allen or Jane Daniels 222 00:11:56,680 --> 00:11:59,960 quarterback path is is really going to be the answer. 223 00:11:59,960 --> 00:12:02,200 And Henry, who was really chalky, is going to be the 224 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:04,760 Baltimore answer. And so anyway, the point was 225 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:08,000 like the top scoring players across the board, you know, 226 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,880 including like Terry McLaren, including Nico Collins, all of 227 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,280 these dudes scored. So the Jacobs play was like. 228 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:19,120 Yeah, Daniels should be amazing as like a pivot, but he's not 229 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,840 because the Bills don't score any points, so you still just 230 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:23,760 want Allen assuming they go to the Super Bowl. 231 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,680 Daniels now has to like go to the Super Bowl and not face 232 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:30,080 Allen to be the the quarterback that you actually want. 233 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,440 Because you'd probably rather just have Terry instead of a 234 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:35,160 Bill, right? The Bills don't. 235 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:39,000 It's all spread out so. Mclaurin's big first round made 236 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,760 it tough for Daniels. So there was a bunch of dudes. 237 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,960 When I say a bunch, there was maybe like 15, I can't remember 238 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:49,560 the exact number that had 34% or higher ownership, so 1/3 of the 239 00:12:49,560 --> 00:12:51,920 field or more. And then the rest of the field, 240 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:54,840 the rest of the players in the in the player pool were 25% or 241 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:56,440 less. So there's this like real 242 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,280 delineation where you're either in a third of the lineups or 243 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,320 more or a quarter or less. And if all the players and a 244 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:06,800 third or more, basically all of them are going to be optimal or 245 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:10,000 close to optimal for their team, except for the players that were 246 00:13:10,560 --> 00:13:12,280 the teams where there was multiple players. 247 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:17,280 So like Gibbs and Amanraw, the one that ended up working out 248 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,760 really poorly is the guy that I loved all week was Bucky Irving. 249 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:22,200 And he still had like 16 points, scored a touchdown and all this 250 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:23,720 stuff. But Evans was a little better 251 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:26,800 and Chase McLaughlin wound up wound up being a really great 252 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,640 kicker option. But the big thing that hurt us 253 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:32,160 on Sunday night was that Tampa Washington game. 254 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,840 We had a really big fade position on Mclaurin, one of the 255 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:42,880 ways, one of the. Ways this tournaments works is 256 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:46,480 even if you have a bunch of teams, you end up getting 257 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,160 funneled because there's like OK, you got a bunch of teams, 258 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:53,200 but like you don't have like every single combo evenly 259 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,440 distributed on each team. So what ends up happening is 260 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,480 like where are lad teams? Where are the LAD teams that are 261 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:03,680 paired with, you know, Houston D or Nico or, you know, like the 262 00:14:03,680 --> 00:14:05,840 right fades on the other games that don't? 263 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:07,400 What are the lat teams that don't have Jefferson? 264 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:09,640 So you're like you're all kind of funneled. 265 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:11,680 I guess the Jefferson game was after, but you know what I mean? 266 00:14:11,680 --> 00:14:15,520 You're kind of looking for the right combos and the combos that 267 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:17,200 we were looking at that were pretty good. 268 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:20,240 In fact that we're leading the contest. 269 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:22,720 We had the number one team in the contest heading into the 270 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:24,520 Tampa Bay game. So we were feeling good about 271 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:26,560 that team. That was a straight up 272 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:31,080 Washington fade, a hard fade, hard fade, which could have. 273 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:35,040 We had a bunch of other stuff. Yeah, that was that was all kind 274 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,800 of they lose. And they probably should have 275 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:39,240 lost. That was the other thing that 276 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,720 broke all of us. Because Baker fumbles an end 277 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:44,280 around. Play with Jalen. 278 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:46,720 McMillan, This is what I was talking about this offseason 279 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:48,320 about Jalen McMillan being unreliable. 280 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:52,360 This is he had these drops in. That's the shit that I was 281 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:54,360 trying to tell you guys. The biggest moments. 282 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,160 This dude is like not getting his hands up for a fucking 283 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,280 handoff. Like I was watching that game 284 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:01,480 and I was like, this is what I was trying to convey to people. 285 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:03,960 Like just like the lack of focus. 286 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:06,880 Anyway, the fucking settle was that they get a short field 287 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:10,040 touchdown, they drive all the way down and they have a shot to 288 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:13,480 score TD to regain the lead and fumble another snap and then 289 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,680 have to kick a tying field goal and turn the ball back over in a 290 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:18,160 tie game with like 2 minutes left. 291 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:20,040 Washington goes down, kicks the game whenever they win the Game. 292 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,640 2 snaps hap related snafus in the last like 2 minutes. 293 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:26,840 I mean that was a such a frustrating thing cuz to your 294 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,200 point we had a lot of these teams where we are fading. 295 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:33,560 Washington corn had a good game but not like a must have game 296 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:34,560 necessarily. I have. 297 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:35,720 A. Jacob B. 298 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:38,960 Both the kickers in that game were doing well. 299 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,960 If Washington loses that, we had a huge overweight position on 300 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,880 Zane Gonzalez. He becomes a really nice kicker 301 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:46,960 option that trades off with the Mclaurin stuff. 302 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,640 Because so many other chalk players hit, you didn't have to 303 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:51,440 have Mclaurin. You might actually have wanted 304 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:52,840 their kicker, even though Mclaurin. 305 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,280 Kind of sucked too. The losing. 306 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,080 The losing team kickers kind of sucked, right? 307 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,080 All the. Cookers were terrible. 308 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:01,920 It was it was like blowouts all weekend. 309 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,240 And so we're in this position where like, man, if Tampa pulls 310 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:08,080 this out, we have some really nice teams that do have Mcconkey 311 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,480 but have Washington soft fades. And instead, because Washington 312 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:14,160 won, it basically locked in, you're going to wind up needing 313 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:17,320 a Washington player. And and then it flipped the 314 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:21,400 Tampa side to the clear saw fade because McLaughlin had kicked a 315 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:23,200 bunch of fuel and we were underweight. 316 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:25,480 McLaughlin, as it as it turned out, because we had a lot of 317 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,200 Evans, we had a lot of Bucky. Some of the Evans stuff worked. 318 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:31,480 Some of the Bucky stuff was certainly not as good, but was 319 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:33,320 on some of our better teams. And we're sitting there like, 320 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:36,720 man, if Tampa would have pulled that game out, which is a 321 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:38,760 fascinating sliding doors thing, We were talking about it with 322 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,240 Dink the other day. Because Tampa would have played 323 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:46,080 Philly and then the Rams would have went or sorry, yeah, Tampa 324 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:47,680 would have played Philly. The Rams would have went to 325 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:49,560 Detroit. And so where would we be at now? 326 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:51,200 Because Washington goes to Detroit and wins. 327 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:55,080 Yeah, the whole postseason. Yeah, it's wild. 328 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:58,720 And the, the other thing too, you mentioned, like the chalk, 329 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,960 the one way you could tell it's pretty chalky is like there's a 330 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,280 bunch of like dupes up at the top. 331 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,119 You know, if if the if the bracket breaks in a slightly 332 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:11,760 contrarian way, you're probably not seeing too many dupes at the 333 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:13,599 top. But there's like a train here in 334 00:17:13,599 --> 00:17:16,359 fourth place. Our guy Toyo looks like he self 335 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:19,920 duped himself here. The two teams in second are 336 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,640 duped. Toyo and duped both of my Toyo. 337 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,119 I love how he's duped. Yeah. 338 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:29,960 That's so good. But yeah, you can see that team 339 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:35,160 in first. So much chalk here, other than, 340 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,000 you know, mixing, mixing and Jacobs, I guess. 341 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:39,160 What? What did Jacobs come in? 342 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:43,280 Did he come in as chalk? He he was not really that he was 343 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:45,480 34%. He was like that last one I was 344 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,880 talking about that cut off of he's right at like 1/3 of teams. 345 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,600 So not like heavy chalk that. Counts as a pivot in this 346 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:53,640 contest. It does, yeah. 347 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,040 Yeah. But other than that, looking at 348 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:02,720 this, I mean, it's what it's it's Chase McLaughlin in Jacobs 349 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:06,160 like or sorry in Nixon. Rams defense Rams defense is a 350 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:09,040 big pivot. Yeah, getting off of Puka, who 351 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,800 was the second highest that's true roster player, which is 352 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,640 fascinating because they played two games and so to have the 353 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:18,080 Rams defense they have Jefferson that teams in first. 354 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:20,840 I mean, that's what, what am I because? 355 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,920 What Rams defense just had so many sacks in both of those? 356 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:25,080 They did. That's right. 357 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,240 They they were like. One of the nuts after that. 358 00:18:28,360 --> 00:18:31,360 And Puka didn't really have a great game in either game. 359 00:18:31,360 --> 00:18:35,640 I guess I hadn't really thought through that, but he didn't have 360 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:37,800 a great game in the first game. Kyron had more points in him in 361 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:39,400 the first game. The second game, because I 362 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:42,320 played a little bit of the of the round two tournament with 363 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,280 Sean and in the second game, which just starts in the second 364 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,760 round, he was behind Chiron for most of the game. 365 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,000 At the end, he caught a couple passes, went ahead of Chiron. 366 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,600 They both finished behind Higbee, who some people like 367 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,440 pivoted to and like some Higbee lineups have a shot to win that 368 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,680 Round 2 contest. But anyway, Puka's Puka and 369 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:03,400 Jefferson were the two chalkiest players wound up both being 370 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,200 players you didn't necessarily have to have, which is the one, 371 00:19:06,360 --> 00:19:07,680 you know, way that Chuck didn't hit. 372 00:19:08,360 --> 00:19:11,400 Right. Yes, Bruce saying was Texans D 373 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,960 the defense he needed. No, so far it's looking like 374 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:16,920 Rams. And there as I click through 375 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,440 some of these teams at the top, there were a lot of different 376 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:20,480 Texans. There's some mix in. 377 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,160 There's a Nico, there's a fair Baron. 378 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:25,840 But what? What's technically optimal for 379 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:29,200 Texans Nixon? I don't know. 380 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,160 I do. I think there's a couple 381 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,360 different combinations. First of all, because 382 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:44,400 essentially there was no clear one and done soft fade options 383 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,040 that were like really perfect. Like even that team just clicked 384 00:19:47,120 --> 00:19:49,240 on Chris Ballwell. What's that? 385 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,640 McLaughlin was probably pretty close, but I don't think he was 386 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:56,240 played heavy enough. Maybe as maybe he was played a 387 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,400 decent amount, but just not like so, so much. 388 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,400 He couldn't have played that. Much because of Bucky Evans 389 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,240 chalk. Right. 390 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:08,720 Yeah, He was only played 4% by the field, but like you just 391 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:10,600 clicked on Boswell. Boswell was the chalkiest 392 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,400 kicker. He had like one point or two 393 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,120 points, but he's actually in some of these very best build. 394 00:20:15,120 --> 00:20:17,520 He was one in some of our best lineups where we played him a 395 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:22,440 little bit sort of by happenstance for us because we 396 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,080 didn't have a big position on him. 397 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:26,840 Actually, we did. We we played him 19%. 398 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,000 So that was part of why we had him in a decent amount of teams. 399 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:33,760 But I think because the and one of the things we'll have to 400 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,360 think about next year, and I think as far as lessons learned, 401 00:20:36,360 --> 00:20:38,240 as we've always talked about the soft fades, you want to play 402 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,560 them on one and done teams. Last year, the Texans were 403 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,360 optimal in two games. This year, the Texans were 404 00:20:44,360 --> 00:20:47,440 looking close to optimal, but maybe aren't because the Rams 405 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:51,040 might be in two games because their players didn't really hit. 406 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:55,360 I'm starting to think that one of the like longer term lessons 407 00:20:55,360 --> 00:20:58,280 is we have to consider more of these soft fades in multiple 408 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:03,600 game situations, which is. It's just annoying because 409 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,480 that's how the field plays it, right? 410 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,400 Well, it's like you're going to, we're probably going to the 411 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:11,760 field a little bit more on that. And yeah, the hard fades on the 412 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:15,160 teams that like you definitely like you really, really want 413 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:19,200 your hard fades to lose. So the the teams that get over 414 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:24,760 faded, you got they got to you want them to win like the 415 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:26,440 Packers. And it was frustrating because 416 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:31,080 the Packers, the Eagles do not look approved at all, right. 417 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,880 They they, they kind of tried to give that Rams game away. 418 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:39,080 The Packers go out and lose the opening kickoff to the fumble 419 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:43,080 and everything and then kind of just like just didn't have it in 420 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,040 that game. But the Eagles did not look that 421 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,520 great in that game. So in like a different universe, 422 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,480 I I could see the seven seed winning in round one, but 423 00:21:52,360 --> 00:21:55,920 ultimately like, yeah, Jacobs didn't have a big enough game. 424 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,480 And then you then you lose the ability to have hard faded one 425 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:03,280 of the teams that that was pretty likely to lose in round 426 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,600 one. So yeah, but Boswell kicker is 427 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:09,880 probably worse than than it. I mean, that was chalk too. 428 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,360 I, I, I was wrong about that. I keep being wrong about the 429 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:13,680 chalk kicker. It drives me nuts. 430 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:18,280 I thought it was going to be Zane and then it ended up being 431 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:22,240 Boswell, which kind of makes sense. 432 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,760 But I actually think to your point, Ben is is probably not 433 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:27,640 good. Like if you're picking them to 434 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,000 lose you probably just hard fade them. 435 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,720 It it right, But it's it's the classic, you know, he feels 436 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,160 comfy because he had such a good season. 437 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,160 You know, Pickens limps into the playoffs doing nothing. 438 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:45,240 And even though you should just fade them, it feels good to have 439 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,560 a kicker that you actually like. It was the one name brand kind 440 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:49,560 of kicker. Right. 441 00:22:50,120 --> 00:22:53,280 That was. So we just to finish that a 442 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,800 couple of thoughts there. We we went in the division round 443 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,240 not in great position. The Vikings Rams game did go our 444 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,360 way. We did need some like crazy 445 00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:03,040 chalk to miss a little bit in the game. 446 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:04,640 It did. Big time, yeah. 447 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,160 Yeah, Hawkinson was a a big piece and he ended up the 448 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,640 Vikings top scoring player. So our some of our Hawkinson's 449 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,200 teams were in really good shape going into the division round. 450 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,160 The biggest thing Leonie was talking about during the week 451 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,600 was we needed A.J. Brown to come back and have a 452 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,840 big game for the Eagles and be right for the Eagles. 453 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,400 And Saquon went absolutely nuts against the Rams. 454 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,120 So that was the nail in our coffin was that Saquon game 455 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,040 against the Rams in the division round. 456 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,520 We're pretty, pretty dusty at that point. 457 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,640 But to Pat's point, we had the team that was number one unduped 458 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,200 overall with a Washington fade. If Tampa would have won that 459 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,520 game. In addition to that part of the 460 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:44,720 IT wasn't just that team. We had another top 10 unduped 461 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,720 team that had the Zen Gonzalez thing we were talking about and 462 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:52,440 had either Evans or Bucky. And then we had, I want to say 463 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:57,640 two more in the top 100 that were reliant on this Tampa over 464 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,320 Washington path. They're really pretty reliant on 465 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,120 that. So we were going to have like 4 466 00:24:02,120 --> 00:24:04,680 really nice combinations going forward. 467 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,640 If Tampa would have just closed out Washington in a game that 468 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,680 they fucking should have won like they they absolutely should 469 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:15,120 have won. So I thought a couple people 470 00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:19,360 were asking about our Jane Daniels teams because we do have 471 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,400 some Jane Daniels. What what percentage was he 472 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,320 rostered and what did we play him at? 473 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:31,240 Daniels was, I mean we had a, we had him in, I want to say like 474 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:35,160 he had six climates, maybe 66. Let me find him. 475 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,440 He was in 3% of the field. We played him 9%. 476 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,240 We had seven. It was right between what me and 477 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,720 Pat said. The tricky thing on that is we 478 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,440 all really like the Daniels stuff. 479 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,120 And when we started to do our builds, we were like, OK, we'll 480 00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:51,480 start with some of the, you know, the, the non chalky 481 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,040 quarterbacks. Let's knock some of those teams 482 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,000 out. And we built the Daniels teams 483 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:56,480 1st. And I remember this because on, 484 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,360 on Saturday, we were going back through like a whole portfolio 485 00:24:59,360 --> 00:25:01,760 trying to like line things up and figure out some of the 486 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,360 combinatorial stuff. And it's, it's a, it's a whole 487 00:25:04,360 --> 00:25:06,960 process when you do a lot of teams in, in this because 488 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,640 they're, they're all uncorrelated builds, right? 489 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,360 So you do, as Pat was saying, like you do wind up on these 490 00:25:12,360 --> 00:25:14,240 certain paths where you're like, because of certain things 491 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,560 happening, all your good lad teams have this and you don't 492 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:20,240 you still want to have your lad team spread out on the Bucky 493 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,880 versus Mike Evans point, right? Like you want, you don't want to 494 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,640 have everything be completely lined a certain way. 495 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,440 So we're trying to do that as best as we could. 496 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,560 And we we were talking about Daniel's and I remember him 497 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,560 being like, I don't really want to touch with Daniel's teams. 498 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,440 We spent the most time on that because they were the first 499 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,720 teams we did. And we really did spend a ton of 500 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,440 time on it. And not because we always start 501 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,000 really inefficiently when we start our Bills on Friday night 502 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,760 after the show, but after the contest had started and we're 503 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,320 looking at it, we're seeing Daniel's could be good. 504 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,160 I kept looking at those teams and I'm like, man, these are 505 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,840 like they're not our best builds. 506 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,520 It's like we kind of, as we started building more, we kind 507 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,560 of found the things that we liked and we had some really fun 508 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,440 builds. I think with other quarterbacks, 509 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,880 this is just my perception of it, but we because because we 510 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,680 started with the Daniels builds, I feel like they're overly like 511 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:09,720 leveraged and wonky and weird, not like our best possible set 512 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,560 of seven Daniels teams. We played all the, I think as a 513 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,920 as a whole, the issue with our Daniels teams was that we played 514 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:23,400 Daniels as A2 game play. We never played Daniels to beat 515 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,920 the Lions. What happened, right? 516 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,920 So like it was all like, well, we got to make sure we got 517 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:32,760 Cortland Sutton in there. We got to get right. 518 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,160 We we would saw fade Buffalo. So the album wasn't even in the 519 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:36,920 tournament. Yeah. 520 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:38,960 And then? Maybe let's fade bucker so we 521 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,640 don't even have a chief. And it's like, what if, and I 522 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,480 know this thing's crazy, but what if the commanders win two 523 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:46,640 games? Like why? 524 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,880 We didn't really build line UPS like that, which is another 525 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,040 path. The most the obvious path was 526 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,320 Daniels is optimal in two because like Allen blows it and 527 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:59,160 Lamar doesn't and it's Henry and then like, but they lose to the 528 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,840 chiefs or whatever. But we could have just done the 529 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,480 simplest. The path of least resistance 530 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,520 really is just like the commander's surprise. 531 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,040 And in three games, Daniels is optimal. 532 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:15,160 If it's not Josh Allen, if it is Daniels, the Bills, what is it 533 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:16,520 going to be? James Cook, Who's it going to 534 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,920 be, do you guys think? Probably cook. 535 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,840 Probably. So I'm looking at our teams. 536 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,120 Of our seven teams, it looks like we had two cooks because to 537 00:27:25,120 --> 00:27:28,920 Pat's point, we did. We did Bass, we did a hard 538 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:33,280 Buffalo fade. We have two Shakur's, We have a 539 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,720 Daniels Kincaid team it looks like as well. 540 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,720 So we were we were doing these weird like one and done 541 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,280 potential scenarios or fluky like 2 gamers for Buffalo 542 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,400 because you're you're inherently fading Alan. 543 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,600 And to your point, you're like, we're thinking, oh, well, it's 544 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,400 probably a 2 gamer for Daniels. So we need Alan to like, you 545 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,560 know, not be right. And so we need some weird things 546 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,240 to happen for Buffalo And we did other weird stuff. 547 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:01,280 We have some KCDST on two or three of these Daniels teams 548 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:02,800 looks like. So there's just like. 549 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,480 It's too much weird. I'm bummed about that because we 550 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,240 we did like the Daniels position, but you, you build 80 551 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,720 teams and you're three times the field's weight and yet this is a 552 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,080 12 man lineup and you just don't have a good combination for what 553 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,880 actually happened. It's it's a dynamic that you 554 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,000 were just describing that kind of plays out like in basketball 555 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,680 mania drafting right where say you go hard at someone like 556 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,240 look, this is actually a really good example. 557 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,600 I was drafting a shit ton of Marvin Mims at the beginning of 558 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,000 the season and then I'm like, all right, this isn't looking 559 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,520 good. Like I need to back off of this 560 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,880 exposure. Sean Payton's going to Sean 561 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,240 Payton. Then at the end of the year, I'm 562 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,480 building my information heavy teams. 563 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,800 You know, I'm getting my Jordan Masons on there and building 564 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,720 these really good teams and I'm done taking Marvin Mintz, who 565 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,440 ends up being a really fucking nice piece and. 566 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:52,480 The plus but. I'm already done with it from an 567 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,640 exposure standpoint. And it's like, how do you break 568 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,120 out of like these takes I have, I want to sprinkle them out 569 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,160 throughout your whole portfolio. It's hard to do. 570 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,200 Yeah, but you know The funny thing about what I just said of 571 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,360 like, why didn't we build Jayden Daniels just to beat the Lions? 572 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,680 I bet you we don't end up with Gibbs on those teams, right? 573 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,960 And we need you want Gibbs back. So it's like Daniels. 574 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:22,920 How do you get to Daniels Gibbs without some goofy, you know, 575 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:24,960 Tyler Bass, Scotland, Sutton pivot? 576 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,920 It was kind of tricky. You you kind of we always talk 577 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,360 about building a bracket and then playing that bracket. 578 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:36,960 And it was Daniels was a tough one to like really see like, OK, 579 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,120 the Lions are going to score very they're going to run the 580 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,720 ball really effectively with Gibbs and he's going to go nuts. 581 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,720 But then they're going to lose at home. 582 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,520 Like, OK, what are they going to give up 45 points to the rookie 583 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:50,880 quarterback? Give me a break. 584 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,880 That even setting aside the Buffalo stuff as you were 585 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,760 talking through, like how bad you want Gibbs, we have 7 586 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,160 Daniels teams. Again, I just mentioned that 587 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,600 it's 3 * a field because of the way that this tournament just 588 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:08,640 works out as you build stuff. We have 3 Gibbs teams, 3 Almond 589 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,600 raw teams I'm missing. Maybe we have a Lapora team in 590 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:17,200 here. And then we had four Mcconkey 591 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:21,720 teams with Daniels as well, which is like 4 out of seven. 592 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,920 We were actually underweight the field at 40%. 593 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,280 So we actually got a nice little bill or no, sorry, it's only 594 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:27,720 three. So now I'm lying. 595 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,120 Anyway, three out of seven closer to our actual percentage. 596 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,560 The 33 Mcconkey teams, 3 Gibbs teams, we landed with two that 597 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,400 have both Mcconkey and Gibbs who both wound up being like these 598 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,760 awesome one off pieces on Daniels teams but like 1 is a 599 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,080 KCDST team. The other one was our best 600 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,320 Daniels team but it it ended up with Bucky and A.J. 601 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:47,720 Brown. That's the one where we needed 602 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,280 A.J. Brown or we needed Tampa to win 603 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,440 and get Bucky. And that's the thing where a guy 604 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:58,160 like Jacobs or Pickens or Sutton not going like nuclear in a 605 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:03,200 loss, really, or like Hawkinson, like someone it would have been 606 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,680 if you're doing the Daniels thing, right, and you're doing 607 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,200 like, OK, let's play it. We're going to be a little too 608 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:10,280 cute. And we're going to bet we're 609 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:11,280 going to take. Tyler Bass. 610 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:15,880 We're going to take, you know, Justin Tucker, right, Raven's D 611 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,960 that didn't work. But there's in this contest you 612 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,880 can sometimes be saved by like getting Ferguson, you know, and 613 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,400 there was no Ferguson this year. Didn't have a Ferguson didn't 614 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,720 really have anything close. So that's another thing that 615 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,120 kind of broke against. So we we kind of sprinkle around 616 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,680 looking for Ferguson types. There wasn't one. 617 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,000 Yeah, and I think, you know, it's always going to look silly 618 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:42,840 when the chalk smashes, but the amount of line UPS you have to 619 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,880 compete against when one of those underdog or contrarian 620 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,320 plays does land in the optimal, it's like, holy shit, there's 621 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,920 six other teams that are even live to compete against for 622 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,720 this. And so I do think the lesson 623 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,840 there is still like, I I want to press those spots because it 624 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,240 won't always go so chalky. You just, you just look like an 625 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,560 idiot when it does go super chalky because you're like. 626 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,440 Why wouldn't you have? Jameer Gibbs on this team. 627 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,520 Yeah, This is why we do 80 teams in this contest too, because 628 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,960 like we we do want to press those spots and some of the like 629 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,520 the the the player that we played, the absolute that that 630 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,480 we played at all that was in the fewest number of teams, I 631 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,600 believe was one of the Packers receivers because Leonie was 632 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,960 insisting that we do a little bit of Jane Reed, but then also 633 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,160 a little bit of Dobbs and Wicks. I think Wicks was only in like 634 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,840 40 teams. I think Dobbs only in like 50 or 635 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,520 maybe even less, but like one of the things that happens is in 636 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,080 these 12 man teams, like, OK, well, you're you're really we 637 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,400 only put these guys into like one team, which and I think it 638 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,960 was sharp to your point into what Leonie was arguing, I think 639 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,560 was was was frankly sharp. If those guys in a loss 640 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,720 outscored Jacobs, which is not hard to see. 641 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,400 All they had to do was be the guy who scored the touchdown at 642 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,120 the end of the game. They scored one TD in the fourth 643 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,240 quarter. If instead of Jacobs, it was 644 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,560 Wicks catching that, then he's like a really nice piece in this 645 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,280 contest, especially if the chalk didn't hit as much as it did 646 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:01,200 this year. We talked about how. 647 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,720 Frankly been crap because remember we were thinking Kraft 648 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,840 would have done this the push push instead of Jacobs he got he 649 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,600 got tackled right at the one and we all thought Kraft was 650 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,360 probably live to get that tush push. 651 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,640 That's right, kind of a goofy way for the tight end to get in. 652 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,440 But like, easily could have been craft. 653 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,160 Yeah. And I mean, the, the, the, my 654 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,440 whole thing though, is like when you build any teams, you build a 655 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:27,080 couple of those guys in even when they hit in this contest, 656 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:28,680 like part of the reason we're building a teams because even 657 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,720 when they hit this contest, it's like, what was that a Daniels 658 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:31,840 team? Was that an Allen team wasn't a 659 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,000 Lamar team? Maybe like, and then suddenly 660 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,800 you're like, well, Lamar was not right at all. 661 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,960 You have to get the core pieces right, you know, and there's, 662 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,840 there's just so many different ways that this build can go. 663 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,640 I'm looking at our best Daniels team that has Gibbs and 664 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,560 Mcconkey. It's a KCDST fate, which I think 665 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,160 is the biggest issue. And it had Sutton on it, but it 666 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:54,760 has Henry as James Cook, it has Mike Evans, it had Hawkinson in 667 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,640 addition to Naku. It has Saquon on it. 668 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,360 Like, does it say no? We did play Saquon on some of 669 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,960 these teams, I guess just because it has Casey's DST 670 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,960 instead of Kelsey, Like because Kelsey wound up being pretty 671 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,920 important out of, you know, he's really hockey and he scored a 672 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:10,120 ton of points. What? 673 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,360 What place is that team in? I don't know. 674 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,480 It's our team four. It's numbered. 675 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,840 Because you also think about like from a, a leverage 676 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,760 standpoint, like how do you keep Josh Allen? 677 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:26,320 You know, KC defense has a couple, you know, scores. 678 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,600 Then all of a sudden it's like Jane's optimal KCDST can maybe 679 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,520 approach Kelsey a little bit. And then you wipe out the bills, 680 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,719 too. Who is out there in that team? 681 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,080 The bill on that one? Is well, if you wipe out the 682 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,880 Bills, then you get KCDDST in the Super Bowl. 683 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,920 You need to pick. You need Jane Daniels to get the 684 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:47,199 Super Bowl. They meltdown. 685 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,719 I mean, if we're just talking real football, I mean, KCDST is 686 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,280 the best player on the Chiefs after Kelsey, I mean, so I don't 687 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:55,960 mind that. I don't have a counter. 688 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,280 Kelsey has just scored so many points. 689 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,200 I'm trying to, yeah, I've pulled this up. 690 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,320 It's it's in 201st, but maybe it's still alive. 691 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,280 I mean, it's got Daniel Saquon Cook in KCD. 692 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,720 Yeah. I mean, I don't know. 693 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,960 There we go, fire me up. Mike is the ultimate leverage. 2 694 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,680 pick sixes. Who says no? 695 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,840 Who? Says no, it's only, it's in 696 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,200 200th, but it's only 33 behind first. 697 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,320 I mean, I say only, but like you're matching a lot of the 698 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:29,280 players, so you need to gain 33 like Casey's D has to gain 33 on 699 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:30,840 Kelsey. You know something like that has 700 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,160 to happen. We would be at Daniel's. 701 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,760 What Daniel's? Nuke in the Super Bowl. 702 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,480 Daniel's Cook, James Cook, is that her? 703 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:41,240 That's what we would do. They probably want. 704 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,880 There's gotta be a big case of DST. 705 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:46,920 Kelsey. I'm trying to think that's 706 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,360 Kelsey with the DST. I'm trying to think the story 707 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:55,480 where James Cook goes nuts and the KCDST also has two defensive 708 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,080 scores. This is a team where we're 709 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,160 talking about the the Chargers win thing. 710 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,680 The reason we weren't talking about this team more and Leona 711 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,440 Pride doesn't talk about it more is this a team where we did 712 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,800 Mcconkey, Kaimi, Fairbairn, we were doing what the field kind 713 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,240 of did. We talked about even though we 714 00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:13,360 were heavier the other way in this game, we were playing the 715 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,080 Chargers to win. We are playing the Texans to get 716 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,000 eliminated and soft fated them. And then when the Texans win, 717 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,920 you actually wind up with Fairbairn, your kicker versus 718 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,880 your DST in the second round. And you're like, well, this 719 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,920 isn't great. One of these teams is going to 720 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,920 advance. And yeah. 721 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,520 That's where that's where next year, if we do that stuff with 722 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:37,200 Daniels, I think we we should use it to play both sides of the 723 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,520 game or play a cheat. Let's like make sure that 724 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,520 doesn't happen. I don't want to end up, I don't 725 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:46,000 want to get Daniels right and then have Houston kicker versus 726 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,160 KCDST. Like that's just that's why were 727 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:50,440 we that specific? It's annoying. 728 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,040 I actually love that point. What what we did with a lot of 729 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,480 these Daniels teams is we said because he might need a 2 gamer, 730 00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,320 we need to shoot out in the first round. 731 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,440 And so we do want to play both sides of Washington. 732 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,840 Tampa, that's I mentioned a little bit ago, our other team 733 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,800 had Bucky and I was like we might need Tampa to win. 734 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,640 And then I realized, well, we didn't want Tampa to win because 735 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,320 it's a Daniels team. We were, we played one Daniels 736 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:11,840 with Bucky. Most of our Daniels was with 737 00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:15,920 Evans, which is nice because Evans did outscore Bucky, but we 738 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:22,400 were saying shoot out you want. We should have said we want but 739 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,000 we need, but teams are dead if Daniels loses round one. 740 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:26,480 So that was actually we should have. 741 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:31,040 Hindsight helps a lot here. But you could have, OK, it's a 742 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,280 shoot out, but we have to have the Bucks lose. 743 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,480 They have to lose. What's a good play there? 744 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,080 OK, good play. The kicker, you know. 745 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:39,200 It. Is. 746 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,880 It is so much easier to do it when there's like, all right, 747 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,200 we're just going to analyze this one thing that didn't go our 748 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:46,680 way. Now imagine doing this without 749 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,680 the benefit of what happened and be like we're going to go 750 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,160 through every single situation with that level of specific. 751 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,760 'Cause we did have one Daniels Chase McLaughlin and I and I 752 00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,360 don't think we played a Daniels Tampa DST, but we did a Daniels 753 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,520 with a full Tampa fade. So two of our 7 Daniels teams we 754 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,840 did play that way as well. We were like, look, we're you 755 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,040 know, we're not playing a bring back necessarily. 756 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,720 We just liked the bring back on five of our seven. 757 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,960 Our our Daniels McLaughlin happens to be our Buffalo full 758 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,040 fade with Cortland Sutton on the team, you know. 759 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,840 And Bruce is saying maybe the play is whoever your quarterback 760 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,160 is, you always choose the opposing kicker. 761 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,200 Dsti think generally you don't. You just want a hard fade. 762 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,560 You're opposing quarterback because most of the time you're 763 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,920 opposing the quarterback will be Allen, he'll be Lamar. 764 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:37,120 Those are huge chalk pieces. And so you're like you're dead. 765 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,760 I mean, you're dead, dead, dead if they don't if they don't win 766 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,040 round one. So like, pick them to win round 767 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:43,920 one and you don't even need it to be a shootout because you're 768 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,800 you're saying you're probably dead if they don't make the 769 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:51,160 Super Bowl or at least, you know, go three games. 770 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,040 Maybe Allen in two could be optimal if he goes nuclear, but 771 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,120 that's probably more round two than round one. 772 00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:57,760 You're betting on that like in a loss. 773 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:02,680 So when I when I'm thinking about Daniels, it's it's not 774 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,840 because of the quarterback thing. 775 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:09,120 It's because he was a contrarian quarterback that I'm saying 776 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:16,240 could be optimal in two because he goes nuclear in both games. 777 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,680 So that's a more specific bet where you're going. 778 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:23,200 OK, then I probably we we played it as we were all aligned on 779 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,080 this. Let's get more Mike Evans in 780 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:26,120 there. Let's get more Bucky in there. 781 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,280 This is going to be a big good game environment. 782 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,080 Those two guys are going to score well, they both did. 783 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,960 But ultimately you'd just rather have faded them and taking the 784 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,160 kick. Another thing I'm realizing we 785 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:39,120 did a lot of, and we did on this one that we had McLaughlin, is 786 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,960 we use that extra flex piece not to play both sides of the AFC 787 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,040 team like you were saying, but to play Josh Jacobs onto this 788 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:50,000 team because if Green Bay upset Philly, it helped Daniels path. 789 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,000 I still like that. I still like. 790 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:56,920 That if Green Bay and Washington both would have won in the first 791 00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:58,800 round, Green Bay goes to Detroit. 792 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,600 But. They beat Detroit. 793 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:07,040 They went to Detroit. Detroit, you're like, this is 794 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:08,760 the best. Way to help Daniels get him 795 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,360 going away from Detroit and then just goes into Detroit and 796 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,160 fucking beats them. I mean, that's the other part of 797 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,240 it. There's the whole what if Jane 798 00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:18,240 Daniels is just him element of of every contest. 799 00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:20,920 You know, any best ball contest, anything you're building, you're 800 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,040 like, well, what if this is just the breakout moment for this 801 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,360 player, you know? Yeah, Yeah, it is. 802 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:31,000 It is hard to know, like what what are actual lessons like in 803 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,240 the way we do it. Like we do jot down some notes 804 00:40:33,240 --> 00:40:35,480 each year of like process tweaks we want to make. 805 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:40,080 But you also don't want to like overfit it to a specific set of 806 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,680 outcomes and then get away from like we were saying, like you 807 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:44,840 still want to pull those levers. You still want to press some 808 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,960 spots that you think the field is overconfident in. 809 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,840 What do you guys have any macro takeaways? 810 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,520 I know obviously the slate's not settled, but kind of just 811 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,080 talking through some of the stuff that you want to do 812 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,200 differently. I think Pat was just doing a 813 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,280 really good job of talking through I what sort of a second 814 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,640 order effect of what we are already talking through, which 815 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:08,400 is not to think about your kicker and DST as like needing 816 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,680 to be like soft fades, I guess because there's just so many 817 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,320 combinations even in a year like this where all the chalk hit, 818 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,200 we're seeing Boswell up near the top. 819 00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:19,120 You know, like you don't have to be perfect. 820 00:41:19,720 --> 00:41:22,800 And so like Pat was saying, well, you, you you want your 821 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,360 quarterback to win the first game for sure. 822 00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,960 You might as well just hard fade the opponent and give yourself 823 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,680 some other outs. Like we've we've always talked 824 00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,840 about picking a bracket and not necessarily worrying too much 825 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,040 about optionality. I guess I'm going to be a lot 826 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,800 more open to optionality, even with the the soft fades and and 827 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,680 then how the bracket can play out and thinking more about, I 828 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:43,520 guess the teams, right. Like, who makes sense for the 829 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,320 Bills? It's mostly Alan, even in two 830 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,560 gamers, you know, Alan can be the dude. 831 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,680 Then I want to play him without really worrying about how far 832 00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:55,080 I'm picking the Bills, you know, and that kind of a thing. 833 00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,800 It's tricky, but yeah. Yeah. 834 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,560 I think one of the things for me, that's kind of this is the 835 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,800 thing I kind of already thought, but I think one of the things 836 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,960 that this year, again, kind of underlines is like in the 837 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,840 playoffs, if you're unless you're betting on a team to 838 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:17,360 lose, it's really nice to have the engine of the offense. 839 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,240 You know, And this is I think where you're seeing the chalk 840 00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:24,280 hit so hard this year is because like, you know, in a way that's 841 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,560 not going to happen quite this much every year. 842 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,840 But I know in a in a way that I do think is part of the way the 843 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,360 playoffs work. Like when the Eagles win, it's 844 00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,440 because Saquon Barkley had a good game because their whole 845 00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,720 offense is built around Saquon Barkley right now. 846 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,240 You know, that's why I like the Jacobs piece so much, is that 847 00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:46,160 like, their offense was Josh Jacobs to close the season. 848 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,680 And so if they win, you're going to have to have Jacobs. 849 00:42:48,720 --> 00:42:51,320 Like Jacobs is going to be the guy because they beat the 850 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,240 Eagles. So he had a good game and now 851 00:42:53,240 --> 00:42:55,560 you're getting them in a second game and they're going to build 852 00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,200 it around Jacobs again and you're going to feel really good 853 00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,640 about having him. But even in a loss, he was fine. 854 00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:06,000 But The funny thing about the way these things work is who's 855 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,000 next year's Josh Jacobs? Like there probably isn't 1, You 856 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,800 know, it's or like you, you almost got to like look ahead. 857 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:13,960 Like next year we should be looking for who's the Aaron 858 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,000 Jones, you know, who's the Ferguson? 859 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,760 Like go back a couple years because Jacobs was kind of Cam 860 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,120 Akers from years ago. But the Cam makers wouldn't work 861 00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,760 better because Cam Akers and the Rams beat the Seahawks in that 862 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,400 game. And obviously we didn't get it 863 00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,440 with the with the Packers. But yeah, I kind of like I'm 864 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:37,040 filing away like types of plays from each year and it's sort of 865 00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,680 like you're reviewing like, do we have do we have an acres 866 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,400 again? Do we have a a Ferguson again? 867 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,040 You know, that kind of thing. One thing I think I want to do 868 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:50,920 more of to the Ferguson point is take two years in a row we've 869 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,960 said, you know who we're not fading the Uber mega chalk 870 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,360 receiver because he's just too good. 871 00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:01,160 He's too locked in. Stevie Lamb got to play him. 872 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:05,600 Puka got to play him and and that's I think that's a leak 873 00:44:05,720 --> 00:44:08,920 like let's let's have more courage and fade the biggest 874 00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,880 chalk on the board and then we're obviously that's going to 875 00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,600 kill us next year, but like. I know we did that. 876 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:19,560 We did that in 2021 with Cup and it wasn't great when they went 877 00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,040 all the way to the Super Bowl. You had to have cut, you had to 878 00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,920 have cut. But I think Jefferson was also 879 00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:26,520 that. Jefferson, we did hear. 880 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:28,560 What? When the Giants beat the 881 00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,920 Vikings, I think it's been 3 of the last few years where there's 882 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,320 been a shock. I think he was a A. 883 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,080 Miss, That's a shocking. He was a miss, yeah. 884 00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:37,360 He didn't want, I think he wanted to talk. 885 00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:42,040 So like that's I think one of the bigger edges is like 8085% 886 00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:43,480 of the field is going to play this guy. 887 00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:48,360 And if they lose, like that's probably bad because you could 888 00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:52,360 soft like soft fading because I mean, we're probably not 889 00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,640 catching Ferguson, but what if we had Dallas kicker last year, 890 00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,080 you know, one more instead of more CDs. 891 00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,760 So taking the guy who's like 85 S locked in at receiver, which 892 00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:06,920 you know, you know, can fail any week and and soft fading that 893 00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,040 team. Yeah. 894 00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:11,680 Catches in that Giants game. So it's your point. 895 00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:15,760 It's been I think three years in a row it was that Jefferson 896 00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:21,680 lost, Vikings lost to the Giants, then Lamb last year and 897 00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,360 then both Jefferson and Puka. Really. 898 00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,720 Cuz the Rams D winds up. That's a pretty good play. 899 00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:32,560 And I think my take away just knowing how much, but we were 900 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:37,240 relying on the Bucks to win because looking at that spot, I 901 00:45:37,240 --> 00:45:40,440 think it's the spot we would say the field is being too 902 00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,560 overconfident, right? Like we kind of fell for that 903 00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:46,960 same trap of like not building out more soft fades of the box, 904 00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,320 knowing that that would be underutilized by the field. 905 00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,560 Like we basically were in line with the field right on our 906 00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,480 Bucky and Evans ownership. Yeah, yeah. 907 00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,240 And thinking through that overconfidence, there is 908 00:45:59,240 --> 00:46:02,360 probably like a good take away of like, in the same way like I 909 00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,480 was OK, like fading Jefferson. I'm like, you guys are all 910 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,640 piling in on this. Like, I don't necessarily love 911 00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,440 that spot, but it was like, it is really hard to do it when 912 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,840 it's like. 2 plays is. Like everything you love. 913 00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,880 But I do think maybe a humility in that spot would be would be 914 00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:17,840 pretty. Yeah, that's a good point. 915 00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,800 That's a good point. Bucky and Irving, we were 6% 916 00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:25,200 overweight, Bucky 4% overweight. Evans, we underweight sort of 917 00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:32,280 the other stuff to offset that, but we played a lot like we 96% 918 00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:33,800 of our teams had either Bucky or Evans. 919 00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,760 We we didn't play McLaughlin like at all. 920 00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:38,600 So. Yeah, that was a mistake. 921 00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:44,120 Yeah. How did Montgomery do, Pete? 922 00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,680 I don't know what this is in in reference to, I don't think. 923 00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,720 I mean, Montgomery, like, didn't get played at all in this 924 00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:50,520 contest, right? No. 925 00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:53,320 And I don't think he was somebody we ever really talked 926 00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,120 about either because Gibson Almond raw so. 927 00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,520 And if you did play him, that team is dead. 928 00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,760 Toyo chiming in in the chat because someone mentioned he did 929 00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:06,800 the dupe thing in the $35 contest too. 930 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,040 He says it was a clerical error export error in which I intended 931 00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,720 to input a lever and he's not doing OK about it. 932 00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,160 Well, if if those teams finished first and 2nd, you'll be doing 933 00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:22,000 plenty fine with it there. It happens, it happens. 934 00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,520 Casey says Leone dunking on us with the olds. 935 00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,080 We maybe shouldn't dismiss them as much. 936 00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,040 That's an Evergreen comment there. 937 00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,880 Any other like maybe zooming out from like the contest specifics? 938 00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,800 Any other like either things that have really surprised you 939 00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,640 in the playoffs or things that have delighted you? 940 00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,120 We we haven't really gotten to talk about these games outside 941 00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:48,000 of this fantasy lens. Jane Daniels is going to be a 942 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,760 future MVP. Like this dude is the best 943 00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,440 player to enter the NFL in a long time. 944 00:47:54,720 --> 00:47:57,040 Yeah, it's been. A yeah, I mean doing. 945 00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,520 I've been working on the rankings for the big board. 946 00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,360 Well, really, you're already at that lab. 947 00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:07,000 Oh, yeah, I'm, I'm pretty deep in the lab because it's like, 948 00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,520 you know, the big board will be out like pretty soon, I think. 949 00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:13,240 So we got to, you know, we got to, we got to get things sorted. 950 00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,520 Daniels, we have a head of Hertz quarterback 3. 951 00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,000 I mean, I'm just kidding. I'm just. 952 00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:22,760 Kidding. Maybe. 953 00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,960 Maybe. But like, yeah, I think he'll go 954 00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:25,920 ahead. Like, I don't think that'll be a 955 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:27,240 stand. I think he'll go ahead. 956 00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,080 That's where he's gonna go. What do you what do you have it 957 00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,440 as, Alan? Lamar, Alan. 958 00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,800 Lamar Hurts or sorry, Alan? Lamar Daniels Hurts, Yeah. 959 00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:37,640 He's in that group for sure, you know? 960 00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:43,200 Yeah, definitely. I think it'll be some debate we. 961 00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,480 There will be people that that want Daniels to be the QB one I 962 00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,560 think, right? I I don't know if he necessarily 963 00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,080 should be. The size stuff is still 964 00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,400 important. He did get banged up this year 965 00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,960 and couldn't throw down field for a good chunk of the season 966 00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:00,360 as a result of that. I mean, Allen and Lamar have 967 00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,880 done it for a long time and scored at a really high level. 968 00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:05,200 I think I should say could be Allen Lamar. 969 00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:06,520 You can debate the order of those. 970 00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:11,000 We have them back-to-back. I also like the other thing that 971 00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,840 could actually boost him is if they invest in a wide receiver 972 00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,080 in free agency or the draft. Like if they get a name that 973 00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,880 gets people excited then you're like holy shit and he just got 974 00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,760 an extra weapon and Diami Brown isn't his wide receiver too. 975 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,240 Like that could be fun. For sure, yeah. 976 00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,560 And I guess I didn't really think about this, but I thought 977 00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:29,240 I thought Kingsbury would be gone. 978 00:49:29,240 --> 00:49:32,320 But with Ben Johnson landing in Chicago, I haven't really heard 979 00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,240 a lot of buzz. Kingsbury It was a little bit of 980 00:49:35,240 --> 00:49:37,320 buzz at King. Jacksonville mix, I don't think. 981 00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:39,880 Yeah. And we're left with just a 982 00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,080 couple spots available now. So I don't know. 983 00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:46,560 The nuts to go to the Raiders. Yeah, I don't think think he 984 00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,360 might be back and and that would be I think, a pretty big 985 00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,440 positive for Daniels. I think the offense was cleverly 986 00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,640 designed for Daniel's strength. But in Daniels is just I wrote a 987 00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:56,480 whole piece over at the newsletter for anyone who cares 988 00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:57,640 about some longer thoughts about it. 989 00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:01,720 But I got asked by my subtitle was a question from an IRL buddy 990 00:50:01,720 --> 00:50:03,960 Sparks a random long post because I got asked from one of 991 00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,400 my one of my good buddies. We talk sports all the time, you 992 00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,240 know, like, basically just how was he so good? 993 00:50:09,240 --> 00:50:13,840 And I went into just this long, like take about him, but you 994 00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:18,240 just don't have a dude this athletic with this much arm 995 00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:21,280 talent and accuracy and the throat of Diami Brown that they 996 00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,680 kept showing in that game where it's under pressure. 997 00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,040 I mean, when you're off platform, you're under pressure, 998 00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:29,160 stepping into a hit, being able to hit those throws downfield, 999 00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,560 that's what the best pocket passers were able to do. 1000 00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,800 You know, Peyton Manning and Tom Brady for their whole careers 1001 00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:37,720 deals is doing that shit as a rookie and he's a a hyper mobile 1002 00:50:37,720 --> 00:50:40,480 quarterback. Once you have all of those like 1003 00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,400 things and the ways that defenses have to play you, they 1004 00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,600 got to put more guys in the box. Like that's part of the reason 1005 00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:47,720 why like all Lamar's receivers have these great separation 1006 00:50:47,720 --> 00:50:51,320 stats, etcetera, etcetera. Once Lamar developed and 1007 00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:53,480 especially the Todd Monk and offense came around and 1008 00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:56,240 developed the he's always been a good passer, better than people 1009 00:50:56,240 --> 00:50:58,040 give him credit for. But the really elite passing 1010 00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,520 stuff, their offense looked unstoppable too, because you 1011 00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,120 have to count for him in the running game with extra guys in 1012 00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,880 the box. Allen, same thing once he 1013 00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,760 developed as a passer, took him a few years, but there you get 1014 00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:12,400 that mobility with that type of touchdown field and consistency. 1015 00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:14,920 But Daniels I think is even more of a consistent downfield pass, 1016 00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,960 consistent downfield passer than and I think Alan and probably 1017 00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:20,880 Lamar, I mean, he's dude he's got. 1018 00:51:21,240 --> 00:51:23,280 He's not as good as a runner. As those guys, he's not as good 1019 00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:24,160 as a. Runner as Lamar. 1020 00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:29,160 No, but he's so good as a passer for a dude that's as mobile as 1021 00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:33,160 him, it's like, yeah, it's a really hard thing to scheme for. 1022 00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:34,280 That's what my whole piece was about. 1023 00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,800 Anybody wants to read it, but it's like, it's as far as how 1024 00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,040 defenses are going to play him. That's why he's so good. 1025 00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:40,920 It's you can't do anything about it. 1026 00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,000 You can't just leave. That's why Brian Robinson had a 1027 00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:44,400 great year running the ball, right? 1028 00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,920 Like, and their RPO offense was really good and we had like 1029 00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,880 Zacchaeus and and Zach Ertz popping up on good games. 1030 00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:51,800 Like you can't account for everything. 1031 00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,200 You where are you going to put your numbers on defense, right? 1032 00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:55,640 Like you can't take away everything. 1033 00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,960 So anyway, he's a, he's the biggest storyline of the of the 1034 00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,800 postseason for me and really fun dude for the future that yeah. 1035 00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,520 Matt wants to know where you have Terry Mclaurin in. 1036 00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,200 Early ranked? Let's see. 1037 00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:15,400 He's what early fifth round pick I think is where he closed this 1038 00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,680 year. We don't have him super high 1039 00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:24,680 because hang on, I got this sort of like quarterbacks Mclaurin, 1040 00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:30,720 we have it 35 or 30, yeah, roughly in that range because I 1041 00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,000 don't know what I don't know what ADP will be at. 1042 00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:40,240 FPC actually has some ADP looks like McClure. 1043 00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:45,800 Yeah, because FFPC launched their never too early basketball 1044 00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,560 contest. He's got an ADP of 34 over 1045 00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:50,280 there. So we're we're kind of in line 1046 00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,800 with that. But the concern with Mclaurin, I 1047 00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,760 would say is that they're pretty live to add somebody. 1048 00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,160 The other thing is like you talk about Daniels, you know, what 1049 00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,960 are they, what are you kind of looking for him to improve on at 1050 00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,560 this point? And it's like just like, do it 1051 00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:08,120 at higher volume like this, like this, this is what we want. 1052 00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,120 No notes, just like more, you know? 1053 00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:18,200 And so, so like, that's pretty appealing if you're a receiver, 1054 00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,320 right? You're like, there's openings. 1055 00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:24,040 They like, I can replace Olamita Zacchaeus or, you know, whoever 1056 00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:27,480 else. And I can or like, you know, run 1057 00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,040 out of the slot. Zac Ertz is a free agent. 1058 00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:34,280 They'll probably come back, but like, there's plenty of targets 1059 00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,120 available in this offense for a talented receiver. 1060 00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,800 You could see a Chris Godwin wanting to go there. 1061 00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,040 You know, you could see T Higgins wanting to go there. 1062 00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,040 If he if he obviously he doesn't return to Cincinnati. 1063 00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:50,280 Devante Adams is essentially a free agent and it looks like 1064 00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:53,720 Rogers is going to retire. So like he could end up he's got 1065 00:53:53,720 --> 00:53:56,320 a, you know, chance to like play with a fun young quarterback 1066 00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,800 slash, maybe ring chase. At this point. 1067 00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,680 They like they're not not in the ring chasing conversation. 1068 00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:03,520 They're about to play in the NFC Championship game. 1069 00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:09,200 So I think with Mclaurin you are, if it's this setup again, 1070 00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:12,520 he's a steal at at like 30-4, but it might not be the setup 1071 00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:17,640 again. And he only had a basically in 1072 00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,520 line with his career numbers in terms of targets per outrun. 1073 00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,160 He's always been really efficient. 1074 00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:26,200 He had a high A dot, he had a strong like weighted targets per 1075 00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:29,760 run, but it was about 21% targets per outrun. 1.98 yards 1076 00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:33,000 per outrun is good. It's really good being around 2. 1077 00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,520 I mean this is what PFF numbers is solid. 1078 00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,480 It's one of his better seasons of his career. 1079 00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:41,080 It's not like, and this has been the whole thing with Terry 1080 00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:42,680 Mcgorner's whole career. Some people want him to be 1081 00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:45,080 really, really good and he is really, really good. 1082 00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,200 And then now this year, I think a lot of talk was like, well, 1083 00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:48,840 he's just never had a quarterback and he finally has a 1084 00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,240 quarterback. He's never been an elite 1085 00:54:51,240 --> 00:54:53,600 receiver. He's never earned targets the 1086 00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,400 way elite receivers do. Even with bad quarterbacks, he's 1087 00:54:56,520 --> 00:55:00,200 always been a very, very good, but not elite, a great but not 1088 00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:02,520 elite receiver. So you start talking about third 1089 00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:06,280 round and you're starting to talk about added competition. 1090 00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,880 That would be a concern for me. I think it'd be still very good, 1091 00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:11,840 so at third round I want a guy who can finish top five, you 1092 00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,640 know, for a wide. Receiver yeah, I agree we're 1093 00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:16,720 we're probably going to be a little bit behind market to 1094 00:55:16,720 --> 00:55:20,120 start I and just baking in some of the downside. 1095 00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:23,720 But look, I mean, if he if they do bring in somebody and then he 1096 00:55:23,720 --> 00:55:27,240 ends up being like a fifth round pick or sixth round pick, like I 1097 00:55:27,240 --> 00:55:29,240 think I'm pretty into that because he can obviously have 1098 00:55:29,240 --> 00:55:31,960 good spike weeks to a really strong quarterback. 1099 00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,400 But like, just to compare him to Nico Collins, who would, you 1100 00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:39,080 know, be kind of the breakout receiver of 2020 threes, really 1101 00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,120 strong rookie quarterback season. 1102 00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:45,920 He had 3.11 yards per route run, which is absolutely insane. 1103 00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:49,360 And then this year he was at 2.86, even with the offense 1104 00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,960 taking a step back, far more efficient than Mclaurin. 1105 00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,400 So that's like Mclaurin just didn't have anywhere near that. 1106 00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:57,120 Like, OK, you're now an elite receiver. 1107 00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:00,440 Now, granted, if he did, he'd be going in the second round, not 1108 00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:02,520 the third. But yeah, there's just like a 1109 00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:08,760 little, he's a little fragile and the ceiling, like what's 1110 00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,200 different next year? Why would it ceiling unlock 1111 00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:12,600 next? Year that wasn't available, 1112 00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:14,680 people are going to double count that because they think that he 1113 00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,960 now finally has a QB and so now he is the Nico Collins. 1114 00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,920 But probably this was like his best moment. 1115 00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:23,400 He's going to be another year older as well. 1116 00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:25,760 He's not a young receiver. He's like 29, right? 1117 00:56:26,240 --> 00:56:29,920 He didn't come in super young. He's at least 29 I think. 1118 00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:34,360 Yeah, he turns 30 in September, so yeah, he's going into his his 1119 00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:36,720 seventh season. He started as a 24 year old. 1120 00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:40,120 He was an older like you would think at 29, this would have 1121 00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:42,080 been one of his best years without much competition. 1122 00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,640 And it was it was a really good year, but people talk about it 1123 00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:47,320 like it was a top five overall year. 1124 00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:50,280 And that was the thing to your point, Nico, back-to-back years 1125 00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,280 over 2.8 or higher yards per hour run. 1126 00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,920 I was just saying Makono's about two O right, Like that was the 1127 00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:56,320 thing where I was talked about with A.J. 1128 00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,160 Brown starter's crew with 2.5 plus every year. 1129 00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:00,760 He's probably, you know, continued. 1130 00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:02,400 What? What would Terry's be at if he 1131 00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:06,160 played alongside Stefan Diggs and tanked L for the year? 1132 00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:10,680 A.J. Brown has been 2.5 or higher 1133 00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:12,240 yards per hour run every year of his career. 1134 00:57:12,240 --> 00:57:14,240 Jamar Chase, you know, every year, you know, about like the 1135 00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:18,640 very best wide receivers, they're at 2.5, They're at 3 1136 00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:21,040 yards per out run. To Pat's point about Nico, like 1137 00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:25,840 1.98 is very good. He is very good, but just, you 1138 00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:27,320 know, pump the brakes a little kind of thing. 1139 00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:30,720 One more, one more of the where? Where's JSN at? 1140 00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,280 JSN. We have early 3rd. 1141 00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:38,840 Yeah, 30. And let me see, he's got an ADP 1142 00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:43,560 of 30 on FPC. On FPC, we have my 33 right now 1143 00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:44,760 because more tight ends jump him. 1144 00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,720 So basically like kind of the same thing. 1145 00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,520 I think my my take on JSN is like you got a new offensive 1146 00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:54,680 coordinator, which for him isn't great since he became the number 1147 00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:57,240 one down the stretch. I kind of prefer the status quo. 1148 00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:02,680 I don't like, I'm not sure Gino's locked in and Gina to me, 1149 00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:06,240 I'm like Gino's like the best case scenario, but they don't 1150 00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:08,840 seem completely sold on Geno. So that worries me a little bit. 1151 00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:13,320 So it's less about them adding somebody than about like what's 1152 00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:15,120 a team that could bottom out next year? 1153 00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:19,680 And I think Seattle's fairly high on that list, especially I 1154 00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:24,440 think who's their OC? You know, 181 yards per out run 1155 00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:28,720 got by a little bit on routes this year. 625 routes is a huge 1156 00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:30,280 number. There was, I think he was like 1157 00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:34,800 fifth in the NFL in routes, not so much great on a per route 1158 00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:36,200 basis. I mean, I think you can make the 1159 00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:37,960 case that he's going to be overdrafted next year. 1160 00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:42,800 Yeah, I mean, I'm, I'm, I don't think we'll have like a big fade 1161 00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:47,720 position, but like two or three picks behind ADP most likely to 1162 00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:48,800 start. Obviously I don't know what 1163 00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:53,520 underdog ADP is going to be, but but yeah, I mean in the third 1164 00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:56,200 round, I think he's fine. Yeah, the argument for him is 1165 00:58:56,240 --> 00:59:00,160 like he was a a young rookie. He had a really strong second 1166 00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:04,080 season and we don't necessarily know what a ceiling is. 1167 00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:06,760 He's still in 2223. It looks like in a couple weeks 1168 00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,080 he could be an even bigger year 3 breakout. 1169 00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:10,200 Like we just talked about Nico Collins. 1170 00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:13,080 His big breakout was year three, similar to this, actually, in 1171 00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:15,880 these yards per out run ranges in year 1 to year 2. 1172 00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,920 And then year 3 is when he really took off JS NS not Nico 1173 00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:20,920 necessarily, but it's with Terry. 1174 00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,840 I'm talking about a guy we've seen six years on and he's never 1175 00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:27,920 been higher than two point O 5 yards per out run at 30. 1176 00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:28,960 What do you what's going to happen? 1177 00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:30,520 You know, like, how's he going to become even better? 1178 00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:35,600 It's funny to think that JSN and DK Metcalf could just do like an 1179 00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:39,040 exact flip in ADP spots from. I think that's kind of what's 1180 00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,560 going to happen, although Metcalf will be higher than JSN 1181 00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:44,320 was in. JSN will be probably right where 1182 00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:46,720 DK was though, so they'll both be a little higher but. 1183 00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:48,240 Where do you think Metcalf's going to come in? 1184 00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:52,240 Probably in the 50s. So that would be slightly higher 1185 00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:53,880 than JSN. Little higher than JSN. 1186 00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,640 Yeah, JSN was at times in like the eighth round last year, but 1187 00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:57,800 you're thinking like fifth round. 1188 00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:02,280 I'm thinking fifth round. One guy I think we'll be pretty 1189 01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:05,360 high on compared to the market, at least where FPC is right now 1190 01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:09,600 is, is Marvin Harrison. I think he should go on the 1191 01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:12,880 third round. People over you're saying 1192 01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:14,440 overreacting too much. Interesting. 1193 01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:18,360 Yeah, yeah, cuz like he, you know, this dude was one of the 1194 01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:20,040 best wide receiver prospects ever. 1195 01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:23,080 He. I think was at like 1.6 1196 01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:26,280 something yards per hour and ultimately, which is not great, 1197 01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,400 but it's not like a huge red flag. 1198 01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:30,720 Lots of really good receivers kind of start there. 1199 01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:36,240 Trey McBride is the number one there, but he's got solid 1200 01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:41,240 quarterback play and very little target competition outside of 1201 01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:43,840 the tight end. And so I think you could see him 1202 01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:48,880 taking more and and also just like being better and lifting 1203 01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,600 the ceiling of the of the passing game down the stretch 1204 01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:58,320 next season at the third round Price, you know, man, it's just 1205 01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:02,600 like from the the pedigree and like a pretty good situation. 1206 01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:05,800 And not like it's not like you had a disastrous rookie year 1207 01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:07,600 now. I mean, we just got JSN in the 1208 01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:10,120 eighth coming off a disappointing rookie year and 1209 01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:13,160 you'd probably prefer to get more of a discount than that. 1210 01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:15,680 Then you know, we're going to get on Harrison, but I don't 1211 01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:18,000 know, I think Harrison in the third is going to be pretty 1212 01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:19,320 good. It's a, he's a really good 1213 01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:22,000 example of betting and uncertainty and some of those 1214 01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:25,760 things, which is similar to what we did with JSN last year. 1215 01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:30,400 Rowan a minute ago said that like Terry's no Nico third feels 1216 01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,560 solid for that profile. I don't think a top five, I 1217 01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:35,240 don't think the top five upside really exists in round 3. 1218 01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:38,320 And I, I kind of earmarked that in the back of my mind because I 1219 01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:40,640 was like, I mean, I just, I don't think I could disagree 1220 01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:43,400 with you more, buddy, because that's like where Cooper Cup 1221 01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:45,920 went and he had, you know, the greatest season of all time a 1222 01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:47,080 few years back. There's other. 1223 01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:50,360 Examples worth I think. He was like 434 turns. 1224 01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:52,280 Higgs was fifth in his It's happened a ton. 1225 01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:55,880 Allen, it's happened a ton. It just maybe hasn't happened 1226 01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:59,920 last like one or two seasons. But I bring that up because you 1227 01:01:59,920 --> 01:02:03,040 said Harrison in round 3 and it reminded me of that comment 1228 01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:05,400 because what you're describing is like this guy wasn't a 1229 01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:08,160 legendary receiver prospect. What if he does have the huge 1230 01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:11,920 year to take off season? Are we really going to say 1231 01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:13,880 Marvin Harrison can't be a top five wide receiver? 1232 01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:15,640 We're drafting him in the first round as a rookie. 1233 01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:18,680 You know what I mean? Like there's obviously pass and, 1234 01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:21,640 and when you're talking about round three feeling high on him, 1235 01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,040 you push him down to round 4 around 5:00. 1236 01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:26,960 I mean, maybe feeling a little high, you push him down to round 1237 01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:28,600 4 around 5. Like you're still talking about 1238 01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:31,280 Marvin Harrison definitely has top five ceiling like those 1239 01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:34,040 guys. It looks like this early. 1240 01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:37,520 Round three pick and for a while in this year as a rookie was 1241 01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:39,480 looking like he was going to be a top five rookie, you know, 1242 01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:44,360 overall player and then, you know, have young players can do 1243 01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:47,360 it from round three, yeah. Absolutely, yeah. 1244 01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:51,280 Harrison's been drafted it looks like 4 times on FFPC looking at 1245 01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:55,400 fantasy mojo stuff. Four times that's that's our 1246 01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:57,840 sample size. Right now there's only 6 drafts 1247 01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,800 that have been started. So yeah, four, maybe 6 drafts 1248 01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:06,680 he's been drafted, but he's he looks like he's got an AP of 39. 1249 01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:10,880 So early 4th rounds, but maybe even a little later because I'm 1250 01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:12,600 not sure how far along that fifth draft. 1251 01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:14,240 Is where does Brian Thomas come in? 1252 01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:18,720 Oh, I think Brian Thomas is going to be like 1-2 turn. 1-2 1253 01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:21,680 yeah, yeah, I figured higher. Is he going ahead of neighbors? 1254 01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:25,600 Let's see. Thomas I don't want to I don't 1255 01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:28,080 want to be like anti Brian Thomas. 1256 01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:31,800 No, he's going, he's going. He's going after neighbors. 1257 01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:34,920 And we have it that way too. I've seen that position quite a 1258 01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:36,960 bit that people are saying Brian Thomas has to go ahead of 1259 01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:39,120 neighbors. And I'm like, man, this has been 1260 01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:41,560 something as far as like edges and things to think about as we 1261 01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:43,560 go into the offseason. That's something I've been 1262 01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:45,720 hammering in my content for years. 1263 01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:49,040 But people need to take a longer view and really still consider 1264 01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:50,760 the college stuff after the rookie year. 1265 01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:53,760 You just said it with Marvin Harrison, Neighbors was 1266 01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:56,200 meaningfully better than Brian Thomas in the same offense for 1267 01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:58,320 multiple seasons. Meaningfully better. 1268 01:03:58,320 --> 01:03:59,800 Go back and look at all the numbers. 1269 01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:02,680 Go back and look at the per out stuff, the volume, earning, all 1270 01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:04,160 of it. Neighbors had a worst 1271 01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:06,320 quarterback this year. He's got continuity at the 1272 01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:07,760 coaching position. They're going to get a 1273 01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:09,880 quarterback. Worst quarterbacks, Neighbors 1274 01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:12,120 would have killed for Mac Jones, right? 1275 01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:14,840 It's been delighted to have Mac. Jones Brian Thomas also late in 1276 01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:17,160 the year was getting a ton of designed looks. 1277 01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:19,280 I still think he's a superstar, but he was getting a ton of 1278 01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:22,240 design looks because every other player in that offense was 1279 01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:24,320 injured. They lost Christian Kirk, Evan 1280 01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:26,840 Ingram and Gabe Davis, and they were just throwing him wide 1281 01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:29,720 receiver screens like nobody's business in the last month. 1282 01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:33,040 I still think, again, Brian Thomas is is a star. 1283 01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:36,600 It was situationally, there was really no comparison. 1284 01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:38,120 And then he doesn't have a coach right now. 1285 01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:39,880 We don't know if Trevor Lawrence is any good. 1286 01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:43,080 Like more importantly the Longview stuff on the player 1287 01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:45,000 talent. Like I feel pretty confident 1288 01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:47,280 that Malik Neighbors is better than him because they were in 1289 01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:49,080 the same offense and he was better than him. 1290 01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,200 I don't think anyone's going to. Well, we'll see. 1291 01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:56,160 But I mean, right now I was looking at, yeah, the ADP for 1292 01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:59,600 neighbors is 12 and Thomas is 14. 1293 01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:02,760 Yeah, I'm fine with that. People are going to get upset or 1294 01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:05,920 get excited about the QB upgrade for neighbors and I think 1295 01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:08,120 that'll that'll. Keep that, that'll help for 1296 01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:09,840 sure. I was also looking at Hayden's 1297 01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:11,560 ranks. Let me see where he's got it. 1298 01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:17,640 He had I think his neighbor's at 14 and Thomas at 13. 1299 01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:20,480 OK, so so Hayden has them, has them the other way. 1300 01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:22,080 So maybe, maybe there will be an. 1301 01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:24,800 Argument there's, I've seen that on Twitter a few times. 1302 01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:27,440 So anyway, I just want to it's not they're going to be close. 1303 01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:30,240 It's not a huge deal. I guess my argument is long 1304 01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:33,280 term, looking at their prospect profiles, their, their draft 1305 01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:35,800 capital, all that stuff. Long term, if you told me one of 1306 01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:38,400 these guys is one of the five best receivers in the NFL in two 1307 01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:41,040 or three years, we're thinking about him like Jefferson and 1308 01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:42,240 Chase and A.J. Brown. 1309 01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:45,000 I would bet a lot of money it's neighbors over Thomas. 1310 01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:47,520 I still think Thomas is going to be very, very good. 1311 01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:50,280 I think he's more of like the 10th best receiver in the league 1312 01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:54,240 than me. Too that, but I do think like if 1313 01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:56,200 I was going to make the counter, which again, we have neighbors 1314 01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:59,680 ahead and I think neighbors should be ahead, but which guy 1315 01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:05,040 is like when I turn up in week 17, I'm like feeling very 1316 01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:07,880 confident that I'm like sick Ryan Thomas is on my team. 1317 01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:11,280 Like I'm feeling good. Like, you know, Lawrence is 1318 01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:13,240 healthy. Everything's like normal. 1319 01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:15,200 Lawrence is healthy. The Giants quarterback's 1320 01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:17,640 healthy, right? But like, fortunately the Giants 1321 01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:22,320 quarterback is Aidan O'Connell or something. 1322 01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:26,200 It's like the corpse of Kirk Cousins. 1323 01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:29,880 Or like, what? What is the The upside is? 1324 01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:33,280 I guess it's Darnold. But it could get Week 17, 1325 01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:35,480 especially for neighbors. Could get bad because Darnold 1326 01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:38,000 could be bad. Dabol gets fired. 1327 01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:41,280 Like now we're back to DeVito in Week 17. 1328 01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:45,920 I could imagine feeling pretty awful about neighbors in Week 17 1329 01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:48,480 because of how uncertain that situation is where Thomas is so 1330 01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:51,560 locked in. To at least. 1331 01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:54,360 Trevor Lawrence, which isn't ideal, but it's, you know, it's 1332 01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:56,840 better than. I mean, Giants have the third 1333 01:06:56,840 --> 01:07:03,320 overall pick if they don't get anything done in the in the free 1334 01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:05,840 agency period or anything else if they don't land down there or 1335 01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:08,920 anything, even if I know it's not a great quarterback class. 1336 01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:11,440 But even if quarterbacks go 1-2, don't you think they're just 1337 01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:12,720 going to take a quarterback at 3:00? 1338 01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:18,880 No, there isn't a guy. There's no quarterback at three 1339 01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:21,400 if if they go 1-2, there's two quarterbacks in the first round. 1340 01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:26,120 Like they would take Jackson Dart in the second round maybe 1341 01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:28,920 or Jaylen Millro in the second round or something, but you 1342 01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:30,520 don't. Ward, there's not. 1343 01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:33,320 You are the only ones I've been hearing, probably through the 1344 01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:35,680 process some. Some other guys might bubble up 1345 01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:38,720 like Dart. So like I was listening to Nate 1346 01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:42,960 Tice and he was saying he has Pam Ward ranked, like he had JJ 1347 01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:45,680 McCarthy or graded, I should say, like you had JJ McCarthy 1348 01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:48,280 where he'd like you'd be comfortable to take him to 25. 1349 01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:50,440 But then like half round inflation, you get to like the 1350 01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:52,280 early teens and then there's no quarterbacks in the class. 1351 01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:55,880 So like maybe we just take him one, but he isn't really there 1352 01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:59,440 with Shidur Even so the guy you're talking about like that, 1353 01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:01,920 you're just like, fuck it, we need a quarterback, let's take 1354 01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:04,720 him is kind of chador for. A lot of people. 1355 01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:08,160 And he might be gone at 3:00 and then there's like not really a 1356 01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:11,480 guy, I don't think maybe maybe, you know, it's a long process. 1357 01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:13,720 There could be. I think Jackson Dart has his 1358 01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:15,840 fans. Mill Row was like looking like 1359 01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:20,040 an intriguing first round project type of bet at one point 1360 01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:21,439 and seems like that's cooled off. 1361 01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:27,920 I think it's like. That is, the Titans or the 1362 01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:33,439 Browns don't take a quarterback because there's Abdul Carter's 1363 01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:36,279 like a sick edge prospect and obviously Travis Hunter. 1364 01:08:36,279 --> 01:08:40,560 So those two guys maybe maybe like the Browns, just like we're 1365 01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:42,439 going to take our favorite of those guys and then they take 1366 01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:44,040 Shidora 3 or something like that. 1367 01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:49,520 So they have a decent amount of cap space, right? 1368 01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:53,680 Yeah, they're like middle of the pack. 1369 01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:55,800 I just looked it up over the pack, over the cap. 1370 01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:00,600 I guess what I, what, what I was thinking is even, I mean, I, I 1371 01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:02,800 do know that the quarterback class is not expected to be 1372 01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:04,760 great and maybe they won't take one at three, maybe they'll have 1373 01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:08,560 to trade out or something. I think Dabel knows that he kind 1374 01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:11,200 of like needs to take a quarterback at this point or 1375 01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:12,840 else, like you just said, he's got fired. 1376 01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:15,600 I think the, the overwhelming wisdom or like thought process 1377 01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:18,560 is he's getting fired this year. But if you take a quarterback, 1378 01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:20,120 you almost buy yourself another year. 1379 01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:23,600 Like I think they're like really likely to be like, we actually 1380 01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:25,120 want to handpick our own quarterback. 1381 01:09:25,359 --> 01:09:27,399 Let us do that. You kept us on to let us do 1382 01:09:27,399 --> 01:09:29,080 that. We we got settled with Daniel 1383 01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:30,680 Jones. And so they're going to do 1384 01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:32,880 almost anything in their power. They might trade up, you know, 1385 01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:34,200 to get to. They could trade up. 1386 01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:37,359 Top one, maybe give up a future 1st to do it because they're on 1387 01:09:37,359 --> 01:09:38,600 their last year. Who cares? 1388 01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:40,479 Yeah, yeah, they don't give a shit. 1389 01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:42,200 Like it's not our, it's not our money. 1390 01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:46,640 We're going to be gone anyway. But then also bring in a vet as 1391 01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:49,000 a bridge. So like it it you mentioned JJ 1392 01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:50,200 McCarthy. It could wind up being very 1393 01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:52,399 similar to what the Vikings came into this year with where they 1394 01:09:52,399 --> 01:09:55,840 just replace Cousins with a Darnold McCarthy tandem. 1395 01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:59,040 And if you do that, then I start thinking, OK, well, the 1396 01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:01,800 quarterback play has a little bit of a higher floor when you 1397 01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:03,760 give me two options. I mean, I made that case with 1398 01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:06,520 the Raiders last year when you had both Minshew and O'Connell. 1399 01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:09,800 Those guys are both bad options. But it did actually end up being 1400 01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:11,480 a pretty decent passing environment. 1401 01:10:11,480 --> 01:10:14,200 Bowers ends up having a great year and still doesn't. 1402 01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:16,520 The Raider had to play and then it was horrible and doesn't know 1403 01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:19,880 how to play. But that's so frustrating, like, 1404 01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:23,000 you know, I had a 555 with Bowers and it was like, as long 1405 01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:25,200 as Bowers has a good game and then you're like, does see 1406 01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:28,560 Desmond, you're like, I'm so fucked. 1407 01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:31,280 No for. Sure, but I'm hoping the Giants 1408 01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:34,760 love two guys where the floors like, you know, a little bit 1409 01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:35,440 there. What? 1410 01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:40,720 So dude, in ranking the quarterbacks, it's so ugly. 1411 01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:45,320 Like I have Chador and Cam Ward in there and then I'm like, I'm 1412 01:10:45,440 --> 01:10:47,640 out of quarterbacks by 30. Like there's just not enough 1413 01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:49,320 dudes. Like I think is Daniel Jones 1414 01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:53,320 starting for for a team this year is well, that's why I 1415 01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:55,040 think. Donald's gone from the Vikings. 1416 01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:57,920 I think Daniel Jones and McCarthy is what the Vikings do. 1417 01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:02,800 I think they just keep him. Minnesota, he chose to go there. 1418 01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:06,360 Kevin O'Connell seems like a guy who likes likes to give guys 1419 01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:07,880 other chances and like build them up. 1420 01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:10,800 And they want to probably turn it over to McCarthy after Donald 1421 01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:12,800 completely collapsed late last year. 1422 01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:15,000 I don't think Donald's going to be back. 1423 01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:17,000 Like Hayden, for example, I know has been talking about they're 1424 01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:18,440 going to use some type of tag on him. 1425 01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:22,240 I guess I'd be kind of surprised the way that O'Connell talked 1426 01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:24,320 about it after that loss too in the postseason. 1427 01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:27,040 He had some really good, like, I, I tweeted about it. 1428 01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:29,680 I, I thought he's a great coach and just like a good, like 1429 01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:32,040 thinker. A lot of really good stuff about 1430 01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:35,480 like, like perspective about like, look, we've been through a 1431 01:11:35,480 --> 01:11:38,720 long journey this year and, and things that we can do better and 1432 01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:40,680 things that Donald can do better and all these things. 1433 01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:44,840 When he was asked directly about it, he wasn't avoiding the 1434 01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:47,560 question, but he also was talking in a way that was like 1435 01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:51,480 certainly wasn't like that chapter is certainly over for 1436 01:11:51,480 --> 01:11:55,000 us. But to me, it was like, I wish 1437 01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:57,840 him the best sort of was the vibe that I got, you know, in a 1438 01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:03,400 very like mentor way. But I don't know, I just never 1439 01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:05,400 really heard a coach handled something as well as I thought 1440 01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:08,320 he he handled that. But the the vibe that I got, I 1441 01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:10,440 could be wrong, was that he was basically like, yeah, I mean, 1442 01:12:10,440 --> 01:12:11,880 we're we're going to move on from it. 1443 01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:15,720 So I'm assuming that McCarthy, I'm assuming that Darnold is 1444 01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:18,520 elsewhere. I'm assuming that Fields or 1445 01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:20,920 Russ, let's say, but I think it's probably Fields takes the 1446 01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:27,480 Steelers job. And I'm assuming that, you know, 1447 01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:31,480 like some of the like Justin Fields is still, sorry, Geno 1448 01:12:31,480 --> 01:12:36,800 Smith and Derek Carr and like kind of like the some of the 1449 01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:39,280 starters we're like less excited about are all still in place. 1450 01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:42,880 What about and? You were saying, what if he's 1451 01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:45,080 gone? Well, but I what I'm saying for 1452 01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:46,920 this is that I'm assuming he's there. 1453 01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:50,280 I'm still I'm still and I'm assuming Shidor starts week 1 1454 01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:53,200 and Cam starts week one. I'm the quarterback short, 1455 01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:55,440 right? So here's the guys someone 1456 01:12:55,440 --> 01:12:58,880 starting from this group. I get like or maybe, maybe 1457 01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:04,400 another name, but Kirk Cousins, Daniel Jones, Will Levis, But it 1458 01:13:04,440 --> 01:13:07,160 won't be him. Gardner Minshew, Aaron Jones, 1459 01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:09,600 Deshaun Watson. Obviously won't be Russell 1460 01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:11,720 Wilson. You think it's? 1461 01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:13,360 You said Aaron Jones. Did you mean Aaron Rodgers? 1462 01:13:13,480 --> 01:13:17,600 Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, so I mean between Rodgers 1463 01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:21,000 and Cousins. A team at the Giant retires, I 1464 01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:22,080 think. I think Rodgers is going to 1465 01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:24,280 retire. Maybe he retires, but I think 1466 01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:26,280 it's possible he continues to play because he wants to go out 1467 01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:29,200 on his own terms. Cousins, I think, start 1468 01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:32,280 somewhere. Yeah, I think that's what it is. 1469 01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:34,560 Probably it's cousins. He's going to get cut or 1470 01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:36,520 whatever, but wherever he goes, he's going to go where he thinks 1471 01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:37,920 he can start. It could be the Giants. 1472 01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:39,880 I mean, I'll take Kirk Cousins throwing them in league 1473 01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:40,840 neighbors. Fuck it. 1474 01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:44,320 Yeah, it won't be great, but it'll be. 1475 01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:51,240 Better won't be great last year. It's something I'd like Cousins 1476 01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:57,360 to the Browns because then the Browns can take Abdul Carter or 1477 01:13:57,360 --> 01:14:00,880 Travis Hunter and like get a blue chip defensive guy, which I 1478 01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:03,240 think I I think Hunter. That's another one of the big 1479 01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:05,080 questions the offseason is what position is Hunter play? 1480 01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:06,680 It seems like cornerback. What are you, what are you 1481 01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:08,840 putting him at? Because I think I heard 1482 01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:11,120 underdogs just going to put him as a wide receiver and let 1483 01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:14,040 people take the risk. Oh, he should be. 1484 01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:15,360 He should. If they don't list him in a wide 1485 01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:17,200 receiver, I'll be annoyed. I want him in the pool. 1486 01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:22,040 Yeah, he'll be in the pool. I think he should be. 1487 01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:27,040 We, we have him at like 1:30. That's that's where. 1488 01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:32,120 We have him Jalen Polk range. Jalen Polk range where like he's 1489 01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:34,640 he's he could literally be a zero all year. 1490 01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:37,240 So you maybe there's a chance he plays receiver? 1491 01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:39,960 You could draft Travis on the set up, Kirk Cousins if we're 1492 01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:42,560 going to extend that. And I feel like he's going to be 1493 01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:45,960 a top five pick and even if he is a corner, he's not going to 1494 01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:47,600 be a 0. They're still going to put him 1495 01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:48,680 on. Off won't be a zero, it'll be a 1496 01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:50,120 0. Yeah, you'll have some trick 1497 01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:52,920 plays and some shit that maybe it'll work out. 1498 01:14:53,480 --> 01:14:56,200 The issue is the ceiling though. Like you're like at what point 1499 01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:59,680 is it OK to not really have a ceiling for sure? 1500 01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:01,480 You know, like you're like in the best case. 1501 01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:04,120 Scenario is like discount Jameson Williams or he's just 1502 01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:07,360 like racking up explosive plays on pretty limited volume. 1503 01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:09,600 Right. It's like where does like one 1504 01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:12,840 spike week get me to where I'm like, man, OK, that's fine. 1505 01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:16,080 And it's it's not it's not like the knife. 1506 01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:18,040 You just. Count Marvin Mims, even. 1507 01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:19,920 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. 1508 01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:21,960 A few manufactured touches, a few bombs. 1509 01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:25,200 Yeah, but I, I mean, I don't know where he goes. 1510 01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:27,640 It's I think we're probably fading him, but I would kind of 1511 01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:32,960 love if he's announced as a corner and but honestly, like if 1512 01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:34,760 he's a receiver, then I'd be really in. 1513 01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:38,920 He plays both ways. At the NFL level for a period of 1514 01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:41,920 time, I honestly it. Would be so fun young. 1515 01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:45,400 Players like they're going to draft him really high. 1516 01:15:45,480 --> 01:15:48,560 He did it in college. He's not going to like when they 1517 01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:50,840 start interviewing him at the combine and stuff. 1518 01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:52,600 He's going to be like, I'm playing both ways. 1519 01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:54,040 Like stop asking me that question. 1520 01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:55,760 You know, like when Lamar would people like, are you going to 1521 01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:57,320 work out a receiver? He's talking about quarterbacks. 1522 01:15:57,320 --> 01:15:58,440 Stop asking me this stupid question. 1523 01:15:58,440 --> 01:16:00,720 Like this is just speculation about him because people think 1524 01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:02,800 he's a better corner. I think he's going to be like, 1525 01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:05,240 you want to draft me? I want to play on both sides of 1526 01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:07,440 the ball. That'd be my guess. 1527 01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:14,280 Man, I, I think I'm, I think I'd get mostly on board if he is was 1528 01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:17,880 adamant that he's playing both ways and the team and that 1529 01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:20,880 started to be noises that the team drafting him would be open 1530 01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:24,720 to that. Then I think then man, you'd 1531 01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:32,240 talk about him maybe in the 70s, something like that, because now 1532 01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:33,720 you actually do have a bit of a ceiling. 1533 01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:35,840 It's risky. It's still like riskier than 1534 01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:37,960 it's a lot riskier than Tat because he might not play 1535 01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:41,280 offense. But this dude went and played 1536 01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:45,760 for Dion the last, like the last best guy that played a little 1537 01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:48,080 bit on both sides of the ball. Dion actually played some legit 1538 01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:51,720 receiver for Dallas for a season, followed him to 1539 01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:55,040 Colorado, desperately wanted to be great, desperately wanted to 1540 01:16:55,040 --> 01:16:56,600 win the Heisman. There was talk about that. 1541 01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:59,520 There was like a whole campaign. Players don't want to just like 1542 01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:01,920 limit their ceiling and go, I'm going to go play defense my 1543 01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:03,400 whole career. This guy wants to be known as 1544 01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:06,480 the greatest player of all time, like play individually. 1545 01:17:06,480 --> 01:17:09,320 He wants to be elite at everything. 1546 01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:12,280 I think he's going to play receiver and. 1547 01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:15,240 We need we need FFPC to judge his question to weigh in and 1548 01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:18,960 what they'll do because they they're the the site that goes 1549 01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:21,560 with the official depth chart, even if the basketball contest 1550 01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:24,240 has been opened. So what is it 80s quarterback, 1551 01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:25,520 what happens? Tell us now. 1552 01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:30,120 That would be incredible. We need. 1553 01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:31,880 To know. All right, well, we're gonna 1554 01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:36,040 have a we're gonna have a long offseason to discuss all such 1555 01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:38,160 matters, but it was good to sync back up. 1556 01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:39,960 Like I mentioned at the top of the show, we are gonna be 1557 01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:42,880 rolling regularly in the afternoons on Thursday, which is 1558 01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:45,080 what we did last year in the offseason. 1559 01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:47,680 Works much better with all of our schedules. 1560 01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:52,400 We'll also have ADP chasing you guys will keep your your Monday 1561 01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:53,680 time. Although there was something in 1562 01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:55,480 your group chat path that you guys were going to maybe try to 1563 01:17:55,480 --> 01:17:58,120 get together for an episode later this week, or I guess that 1564 01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:02,120 would be tomorrow. Yeah, I need to figure that. 1565 01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:04,240 Out. So maybe that'll happen. 1566 01:18:04,440 --> 01:18:07,640 You know, we had we had the bike show Davis Matic bills versus 1567 01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:10,600 Chiefs angle in case you didn't get enough of the Davis Matic 1568 01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:14,480 versus Liam angle there. And why is Lambie on radar? 1569 01:18:15,440 --> 01:18:17,160 The Davis Matic versus Leone angle? 1570 01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:18,880 I mean, there, there's Davis against the world. 1571 01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:22,880 That's true. Oh man, we had yeah, Mike was 1572 01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:25,560 busy, but it's it's he's lucky the bills won, you know, cuz 1573 01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:27,800 it's it's a it's a different vibe. 1574 01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:31,040 If if we cancel the show after bills win than after Bills loss 1575 01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:33,920 you know. It's true, it's true. 1576 01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:38,200 All right, appreciate you guys. If you want to hop in the 1577 01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:40,800 discord, you can become a YouTube member, hop in there. 1578 01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:44,360 Otherwise, you guys should see ADP chasing and then we will be 1579 01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:49,160 back next Thursday at this 3:00 PM Eastern Time. 1580 01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:52,480 All right, for Gretch, for Pat, I'm Pete. 1581 01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:54,480 We'll see you guys next time on ship chasing.