1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:05,160 Today on ship chasing, we got myself, we got Pat Karein, we 2 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,600 got Davis Matic, and we are going to dig deeper into this 3 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:11,400 rookie class as it pertains to dynasty drafts. 4 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:13,840 We're going to tear these out, really try to figure out where 5 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:16,560 these tear breaks are. We're kind of sniffing around 6 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:20,040 them when we did our mock draft a few weeks back and today we 7 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:22,040 are going to get really into the weeds with it. 8 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,000 This is ship chasing with Davis and Pat. 9 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:36,160 Let's do it here. Pat Fryer, Helmo, Anita, Handjob 10 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,840 Fix Your Sight, Jamar and Alpha. Play Chase. 11 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,440 You can't handle the heat. It looks like we're finally at 12 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:46,160 this point. You're right. 13 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:58,320 All right. We had initially booked Danny 14 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,080 Kelly. We were excited to talk with him 15 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,720 about his favorite prospects. Does a ton of great work over at 16 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,240 The Ringer. Unfortunately, had an emergency 17 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:11,320 that popped up, so maybe we will be able to get a rain check with 18 00:01:11,320 --> 00:01:13,840 him. But we will press onward. 19 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:15,840 Like I said, we're going to talk some dynasty today. 20 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,120 Pat Davis, How are we doing? Doing good. 21 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,960 How you guys doing? Doing great man. 22 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:26,520 I I have a rookie draft that starts theoretically it was 23 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:31,080 supposed to start yesterday but the commissioner forgot to press 24 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:33,120 the button and I had to remind him. 25 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:34,720 So it's going to start tomorrow I think. 26 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:39,120 But a pre draft NFL rookie draft where I have 4:00 first round 27 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:40,560 picks. So this is actually, I think 28 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:44,200 going to be pretty, pretty instructive, hopefully. 29 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,160 Is it? Is it super flex and tight in 30 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:49,600 premium? It's it's it is the Soccer Dave 31 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:51,840 format. Although it's managed, it's not 32 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,440 best ball, and managed versus best ball actually changes 33 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:57,440 roster construction. It does. 34 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:02,040 In dynasty to like an like an almost unbelievable degree like 35 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,760 some guys you're like, oh, I trade a second for him in best 36 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,920 ball and then a manager like that guy's garbage, No. 37 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,960 Interest because you need you need more ceiling. 38 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,240 You're like I need this dude to be like a locked in you. 39 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:14,840 Just you just need to know who to start every. 40 00:02:14,920 --> 00:02:16,760 Yeah. Like it's it's like I just want 41 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,760 to click the button on this guy versus like, Oh yeah, I'll have 42 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,520 Keenan Allen hang around at the the Yeah, sure, why not? 43 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:23,600 Right. Yeah. 44 00:02:23,920 --> 00:02:27,120 And guys, also, the floor falls out like once, once a dude's no 45 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:31,680 longer, you know, reliable. You're like, he's, he's useless. 46 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,600 There's no point. Hollywood Brown, for example, 47 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,800 not not movement the needle for anyone in. 48 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,920 Wait, did you call? Did you call Hollywood Brown one 49 00:02:40,920 --> 00:02:43,520 of the best picks on the board on ADP chasing this week? 50 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:45,560 Did I hear? That for best ball he's fine but 51 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:49,400 but for for manage leagues my God in dynasty come on. 52 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:52,960 Yeah, my, my dynasty brain is so rusty. 53 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,400 I have AI have a guy who's trying to send me George pickets 54 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,280 right now in a league and I'm like, what? 55 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:00,600 What? Like what is George Pickett's 56 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,720 value in dynasty right now? Like, what would it be a 57 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:07,360 reasonable thing to pay to get George Pickett's like, a good 58 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:09,400 deal for me? I mean, if you could get him for 59 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:11,720 like a third, I'd be super psyched, yeah. 60 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,600 If you could get him but but you wouldn't want to trade him away 61 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:16,680 for 1/3 I don't think. How about this? 62 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,160 I have like a bunch of the formerly great tight ends I 63 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,880 have, like Travis Kelsey. I have Mark Andrews. 64 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,320 I'm not including Dalton Schultz with that crew, but I have 65 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:27,600 Dalton Schultz. Like is there anything A1 for 66 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,120 one along those? Is it Titan? 67 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,800 Premium Titan Premium No. No, this is sorry, this is 68 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:36,320 sticker. Cut him, you know. 69 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:43,320 They just have zero tight. I think if I was competing and I 70 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,240 like really needed Kelsey, you know, there's like the hold down 71 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,480 a spot or something, then maybe not, but I I'd rather have 72 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:50,080 Pickens on those guys and not attending. 73 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:51,440 Premier See, that's what that was my thought. 74 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,960 I was like, I I'm the idiot that I've, I've had Kelsey like his 75 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,760 entire career, won multiple championships and then being a 76 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:01,440 lazy dynasty manager, didn't offload him at a peak time. 77 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,320 And so now I just have to ride it to 0 or dump him. 78 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:11,520 George Pickens, apparently. Yeah, I think that would be 79 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:12,960 fine. It it I would. 80 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:14,880 I would honestly, I'd go the other way. 81 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,240 I'd be actively trying to buy Kelsey in all formats right now 82 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:19,680 because you could. Get in. 83 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:24,440 You could or, or, or Mark Andrews or, or George Kittle, 84 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:31,280 any, any of these guys who are, you know, 30 plus with like 85 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,880 elite level production because the, the we are at peak like 86 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:39,000 Tyler Warren's going to take over the NFL season and like, 87 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,840 like Mark Andrews just going to like easily outscore Tyler 88 00:04:42,840 --> 00:04:46,200 Warren this year, you know. This is this is like I don't 89 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,480 know if it's quite peak, but it we're nearing the peak because 90 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:50,640 people are still have like the peak value of rookie drafts and 91 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:54,800 stuff. But this is sexy roster season. 92 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,560 You, you want, you want to be able to show off what like 93 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:00,560 you've just got. You don't have a single veteran, 94 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:02,160 no one's over 30 on the whole team. 95 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,040 You, you don't know who you're possibly going to start at 96 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,200 running back to, But that doesn't matter because some 97 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:11,000 random rookie is going to be a an absolute crusher out of the 98 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,040 gate in August. You're going to look at the same 99 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:18,640 roster and panic and, and actually start trading for draft 100 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:20,960 picks because you realize you're not going to score any points 101 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,240 this year. But this is the this is the year 102 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,640 where people people actively want almost like a rebuilding 103 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:30,200 looking roster. Dude, Speaking of like sexy, 104 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:32,720 this is a dynasty. But, and we've been talking 105 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:36,240 about this on a few shows, but again, I did another draft today 106 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,560 where I got Dallas Goddard, I think at pick 180. 107 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,120 Like, yeah, crazy. People like it. 108 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,640 I, I truly think it's like the sexy screenshot thing. 109 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,680 Like no one wants to stare at a team that has Dallas Goddard on 110 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:49,240 it. But I'm like, what is going on? 111 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,360 Every time I go to double check that like something catastrophic 112 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:54,800 didn't happen. But man, people do not want that 113 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,360 guy. No, no they don't. 114 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,440 And and Dallas Goddard will probably just finish like Titan 115 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:05,400 9 in points per game, you know? Yes, yeah. 116 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,120 I wonder like if if they came out like I'm always trying, 117 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,720 fascinated by like the psychology of what's going into 118 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:12,520 that. But is it if the Eagles came out 119 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:15,840 and now said we're not trading Dallas Goddard or like we worked 120 00:06:15,840 --> 00:06:18,320 out an agreement, whatever, whatever it is that's like 121 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:19,800 Dallas Goddard's on our team this year. 122 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,160 Does he immediately like snap back to his ADP? 123 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:26,480 Like it's just the unknown that that people hate about it. 124 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:30,480 I don't know, because there is upside if he gets traded. 125 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,680 You know, you think it's more tilted to the downside because 126 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,320 if if Dallas guard is like traded to somewhere where he's 127 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,880 not the clear cut pass catching tight end. 128 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:44,520 You know, like I one thing I float is like what if the what 129 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:48,520 if the Eagles traded in for mayor for Michael mayor just 130 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,920 like reset, you know, a tight end get a cheap. 131 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,720 Would the Raiders, I mean, do the Raiders have any interest in 132 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:56,880 that though? The Raiders have floated trading 133 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:58,680 Mayor. No trading, Mayor, but what do 134 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,400 you want Dallas Goddard for? Blocking and. 135 00:07:01,840 --> 00:07:03,320 Costs like. Traditional tight end stuff. 136 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:07,120 He costs like $15 million. You I, I, I they're. 137 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,280 They're like in love with the idea of being competitive. 138 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:11,960 Tomorrow you. Know, I guess. 139 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,000 I guess you're right. I don't know that I, I'm gonna 140 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,000 put that I, I think that's fan fiction. 141 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,040 I I don't think you're. Getting It's literal fan 142 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:19,960 fiction. I yeah, I. 143 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:24,640 Player Player When is when is the last player for player skill 144 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:26,280 position traded? Why don't we have it? 145 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:27,840 We should have more of it we deserve. 146 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:31,160 It because of how it's because of how stupid the NFL cap is. 147 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:34,000 That is the only reason we I've talked about this with Rotopat 148 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:38,880 recently about how dumb the NFL salary cap rules function for 149 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:40,880 trade. Specifically where the team that 150 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,920 trades the player away ends up having to eat a bunch of dead 151 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:45,400 gap. It shouldn't be that way. 152 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,640 It should just be the contract. Just like the NBA, the contract 153 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,320 just gets traded. If you can afford it, you can do 154 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,400 it. I I don't know why it doesn't 155 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:57,480 function that way. Now here's the deal NFL, if you 156 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,280 want to add an 18th game, which they do and are going to do and 157 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,160 it's going to ruin our lives, then you have to figure out a 158 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,240 way to make player for player trades possible. 159 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,960 That that's that's the deal that I proposed to you. 160 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:12,840 NFL please accept. Also, I was laughing and someone 161 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:14,240 I think pointed this in the comments. 162 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:20,640 Jacob on Monday making the case for just not thinking Tyree Kill 163 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:24,080 is going to be a dolphin and then another domestic. 164 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:25,600 Violence. Yeah, that was precious. 165 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:29,040 Popping up like 2 days later like what is in the water over 166 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,039 there in the Azores because Jacob was hitting the news 167 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,720 early. I hate to I hate to be this guy, 168 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:40,159 but the the the police did literally already say like close 169 00:08:40,159 --> 00:08:43,120 case moved on. Nothing, nothing to see here. 170 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:47,320 Now does, does Tyreek have 7 long months left to go for 171 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,560 another incident to pop up? It's April buddy. 172 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,720 Is he is he 30? Is he 31 years old? 173 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:54,880 Is he maybe on the Antonio Brown track? 174 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:58,320 Absolutely. But this if you're like oh man 175 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:00,080 can't draft Tyreek cause of this. 176 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,880 But also, every time, every time he has an incident with the 177 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:07,040 police, his wrist is broken for the next, you know, year. 178 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,760 So are we gonna have to when Tyreek Hill has some horrible 179 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:10,600 season? He's been like, well, I 180 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:14,240 actually, he tweaked his ankle and the risk came over. 181 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:16,600 Yeah. Yeah, you're making, you're 182 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:18,680 making some good points. You're making some good points. 183 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:19,280 It's true. It's. 184 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:23,360 No good. All right, so as we scramble 185 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:30,880 here to to set up this show, I did find a pre loaded tears with 186 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,760 the NFL rookies in them, so I didn't have to manually upload 187 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,440 these. However, it should not shock you 188 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,880 to know that I only know about what, like, four of these guys 189 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:41,920 look like. I know that this is Ashton 190 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:43,960 Genti. I know that this is KF Scataboo. 191 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,720 So we as we create these tiers for Dynasty, we're all gonna 192 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:51,840 collectively have to work hard to make sure I know which guy is 193 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,320 which, OK? I know that like the guys who 194 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:56,880 are in their jerseys, that's easy, but a lot of these guys in 195 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,480 their suit coats, I am not going to. 196 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:01,920 Recognize this is your guy Jackson Dart. 197 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,000 Right Tier Watch. Yeah, that's Jackson Dart. 198 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,560 Yeah. KU Jersey's Devin Neal K State 199 00:10:07,560 --> 00:10:12,680 Jersey is Giddens. God, can you zoom in a little 200 00:10:12,680 --> 00:10:13,000 bit? There's. 201 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,360 Technology on there. I'll yeah, I'll zoom. 202 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,160 In Is that Justin? Field at the bottom help us. 203 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:22,360 That's Jayden Higgins. Judkins is the 2 colored hair. 204 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,920 That's Trouse Hunter. This is easier now, OK. 205 00:10:26,680 --> 00:10:28,760 OK, I'm gonna need you. Here's Shader Sanders. 206 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:30,720 OK, so maybe collectively we got this. 207 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:33,800 If not, I need to chat to be like playing Battleship. 208 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,160 Right, I see two more. I see. 209 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:40,080 I see restrepo. I see Restrepo's pretty 210 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,920 unmistakable. Yeah, is. 211 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,360 He like all the way down here because he wasn't fast enough. 212 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:49,160 He's down all the way. Down Golden Golden is the UT 213 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,520 Polo. Which one? 214 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:57,240 UT polos? There's four UT polos that's gun 215 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,280 or hell. I know a gun or hell, but I see 216 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,120 him. Savion Williams is the big tall 217 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:06,480 dreadlocks in the purple polo, The TCU polo. 218 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,960 OK, this is gonna be tough. This is gonna be tough. 219 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:13,760 It's gonna be tough, but we, I think, I think oddly, people 220 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,560 will enjoy us struggling to figure out. 221 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:19,080 Might not, might not be great for the audio listeners. 222 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:21,840 You know what? That's true, but we will be 223 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:23,440 sure. I think what we're gonna try to 224 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:28,520 do is put these in tiers, and this is what we were kind of 225 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:32,480 discussing as we were doing that rookie draft the other day where 226 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,480 we felt the tier breaks. Like I remember even after I 227 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:38,400 took Tyler Warren, like Davis took Travis Hunter, like I felt 228 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:40,840 that tier break and then there was a couple others. 229 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:46,000 So we're going to do this for Dynasty Superflex, Titan 230 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:47,800 Premium. So exact same format that we did 231 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:53,840 with the mock draft. Gente's the layup in Tier 1 The 232 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:55,000 question. Is is anyone? 233 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,560 Else I I know I know which one Jetty is. 234 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:02,400 The question is, is anyone else deserving to be up here with 235 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:06,400 him? No, he's in a He's in a tier of 236 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:10,120 his own. What what do you guys think? 237 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:14,200 Cuz like so here's another example from a league I'm in 238 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,120 that is superflex, just not Titan premium. 239 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,320 I have the one O 2 I am. Traded away. 240 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:21,040 Trade. Trade it. 241 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,400 I, I want your advice is get rid of every single player on my 242 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:27,880 team. I, I want gente. 243 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:31,800 I I'm good at quarterback, so I'm terrified of gente going and 244 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,280 then me like staring at like Cam Ward or whatever. 245 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:38,320 What would be a fair trade for me to get from the one O 2 to 246 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:39,680 the one O 1? Like what? 247 00:12:39,680 --> 00:12:42,400 What is that gap? Because I think that offered him 248 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,480 in this tier. I offered Theo Greminger now of 249 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:50,600 fantasy points. I offered him the 1/5, the 1-6, 250 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:56,440 the 110 and the 111 for the one O 1 in this rookie draft and he 251 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:01,080 snap declined. Like like like like got like. 252 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,960 The e-mail must have got to his phone and he just. 253 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:06,320 You're like did this not send? What did it? 254 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:10,920 Happen. And frankly, he was right to do 255 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:12,480 it. That's hilariously light. 256 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:13,920 That is hilarious. That is hilarious. 257 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,880 That's one of those things you would have had a better chance 258 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,400 of of getting it accepted by just doing the one O 5 and the 259 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,520 one O 6. But by adding the the two extra 260 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:25,080 picks, you're like you're just saying like I know, I know this 261 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:26,520 isn't. Working I know you're you're 262 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:31,280 you're so right. I think the only way to get the 263 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:37,280 one O 1 is to SIOP the person who has the one O 1 and the 264 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,640 saying dude you have the one O 1, your team stinks by the time 265 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:44,360 Genti is ready to lead you to a victory like he's going to be 28 266 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:47,800 years old. I think it's I think it's to you 267 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,720 got to take like a star, you know, you got to you got to be 268 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,800 like I'm look, I'm looking to move Puka. 269 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:59,200 You know I'm looking to move yeah, a quarterback. 270 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,720 You said you're good at quarterback like you know, 271 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:03,960 you're trying to move now. I think you're probably adding 272 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:07,320 like if you take like a Kyler, you're adding to Kyler to get to 273 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,400 Gentie. I think at least that's what I I 274 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:11,760 would if I had the one O 1, I'd be like Kyler and what. 275 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:16,040 And I have Kyler and I'm just like I'm bringing up Kyler is 276 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:19,480 that to move up to get gentie fuck. 277 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:23,200 But I am naming this tier the snap decline tier because it 278 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:25,720 sounds like that's that's what we're dealing with. 279 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:31,560 We're dealing with here. All right, SO1O2 coming off this 280 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:35,600 was kind of a topic of debate in our mock draft as far as I think 281 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,960 Ray double tapped Omari and Hampton with Genti, but there 282 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:43,080 was a discussion about Cam Ward. Are are are both Hampton and 283 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:46,400 Ward at least in a similar tier for you guys in Tier 2? 284 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:50,160 I still have TET in that tier as well. 285 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,960 Yeah, I have, I have Tet and I think, I think Anthon for 286 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:58,000 dynasty value purposes is is in this. 287 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:00,480 Yeah, no, I think Hampton's the the 2. 288 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:03,840 You think Hampton over Ward? Yeah. 289 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:08,240 Oh, I I disagree. I think Hampton's most likely 290 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,080 going to end up on the Broncos and we're going to be taking 291 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:16,320 him, but extremely high. You I mean Corrine, you know how 292 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:20,280 that goes bro. Hampton comes out and has a Josh 293 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,920 Jacobs rookie year and Cam Ward averages like 17.5 points per 294 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:29,440 game and Ward is all of a sudden the 19th pick in startups or 295 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,360 whatever. Yeah, sure, that's a that's a 296 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:36,440 fairly Safeway to go, but Ward's a pretty boom bust prospect as 297 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,680 far as #1 picks go. They're ceiling from an NFL 298 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,160 perspective, for sure. There's not as much ceiling from 299 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,040 a fantasy perspective. He has a ceiling, but it's not 300 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:47,920 like he's a true dual threat. He's not a Jaden Daniels type. 301 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:51,160 Like, OK, we're talking about him at the One O 1 in startups 302 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:53,040 the following year. He's not that type of guy. 303 00:15:54,000 --> 00:16:01,880 And, you know, I think Hampton, you know, before the draft ward 304 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:05,400 over Hampton, I think is easier for me to get on board with 305 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,480 after the draft. If Hampton, let's say, goes to 306 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:09,240 the Broncos, I'm like, I don't know, man. 307 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,400 I'm pretty sure you're going to want Hampton this year and next 308 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:15,840 year. And people are going to be like, 309 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:19,280 if any like at running back, like we just see guys fall away 310 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:22,680 from relevance quickly. You know, like there's going to 311 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,160 be like 5 running backs that we think are great to have on your 312 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,680 team now that actually are not great to have on your team in 313 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,160 2026. But I don't. 314 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,440 But I think Hampton, you know, given that he's going to be 315 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:36,000 entering Year 2 again, I'm assuming he's on the Broncos. 316 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,200 I have, I have, I have Hampton fatigue. 317 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,960 I'm just like, I'm sick of it just enough. 318 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:44,720 Like he's like, he's just so fine, you know what I mean? 319 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,320 I like I've got no issues with the Marion Hampton I. 320 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,600 Mean he's an elite athlete with size who can catch the ball and 321 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:55,320 kind of do everything so. He's he's the Charizard of James 322 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,280 Conner's Karain. What is that worth to you just. 323 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,720 Stop. It it's worth the one O 2 in 324 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:03,080 this year's draft class, That that's what. 325 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,319 I'm saying is part. I also want to say behind the 326 00:17:06,319 --> 00:17:08,400 scenes over here guys, the ingenuity. 327 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:11,920 I have another browser set up with these same things. 328 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,880 I'm in Google Chrome inspect element, the file names are 329 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:17,319 there. I'm searching. 330 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:19,760 It's a 5 these guys had confirmed. 331 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:23,720 So that is my lifeline right now as I get care board of our 332 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:28,079 inhibited tete up here. In I would put Hunter in this 333 00:17:28,079 --> 00:17:30,960 group now too. I mean, you're not going to have 334 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,600 to twist my arm. It's looking like he's a 335 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,200 receiver. So then we should have a larger 336 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:42,360 conversation on if that is just the designation we're making, 337 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:46,120 that Hunter is a wide receiver. He might be in the snap decline 338 00:17:46,120 --> 00:17:48,960 tier for me. He he, he is a better wide 339 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:50,720 receiver prospect than Ted to me. 340 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:54,640 I agree with you, but I have to uncertainty. 341 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,640 Means you're not snap decline and you're thinking about it. 342 00:17:57,880 --> 00:17:59,680 You're thinking about it. I don't think he's in the same 343 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,560 tier with Genti, but you could argue he's in his own. 344 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:06,600 Like if he was definitely going to play wide receiver full time 345 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,880 and not play any cornerback, I would have him in his own tier 346 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:14,120 and Tier 2. But we don't know that and so I 347 00:18:14,120 --> 00:18:15,800 think he belongs in Tier 2 with these guys. 348 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:20,400 He's arguably the one O 2, but I think he's in the same tier as 349 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:23,720 these guys. The IT does just from 350 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:27,280 conversation, obviously it seems like the best ball community and 351 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:30,960 as evidenced by his ADP are quickly coming around on him 352 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:34,560 being an awesome selection even at elevated prices. 353 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,400 From the conversations I hear in dynasty circles, there still is 354 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,480 that lingering doubt. I don't see a lot of people 355 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:44,120 putting him in their top five overall dynasty picks right now 356 00:18:44,120 --> 00:18:47,280 for this class. No, but they will though they 357 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:49,320 would When when it when he goes to the podium. 358 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:54,600 He's 5 for for us at leg up now. And the the Roger Goodell says 359 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:58,760 the University of Colorado wide receiver Travis Hunter. 360 00:18:59,920 --> 00:19:06,080 It's it's over. So the, I guess circling back on 361 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:10,280 the Hampton thing, I mean, isn't part of the reason everyone's so 362 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,920 high on him is almost kind of what Davis is describing as 363 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,720 like, he's just good. It checks like all the boxes. 364 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:19,520 He doesn't like, he's big, he's fast, can catch some passes. 365 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:23,560 Draft capital's gonna be good. Like not one thing is like wow 366 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:25,280 worthy. It's just the whole package is 367 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:28,000 like, this is a bell Cal back. There's not a lot of bell Cal 368 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:29,840 back profiles in the league anymore. 369 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:31,480 Like this is something to get excited about. 370 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:34,000 Yeah. I mean, I think if you were to 371 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:38,680 give him credit for one kind of superpower, it is that he was a 372 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:42,320 Bell Cal back in College in a way that some other prospects 373 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,880 that, you know, have some really good peripherals, better 374 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:48,440 peripherals in in some aspects like like a Javante Williams, 375 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:53,480 those guys were not bell cows. So you know that if you're 376 00:19:53,480 --> 00:20:00,000 versatile, big, very athletic, and can handle a ton of touches, 377 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,520 that combination is like more than the sum of its parts. 378 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:11,520 Yeah, the is there anyone else? So right now we have Genting his 379 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:13,920 own tier and then we're building out this Tier 2. 380 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:19,520 Cam Ward, Amarin, Hampton Tet, Travis Hunter is the tier in 381 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:23,000 here or is there another name that could be included here? 382 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:27,000 Henderson. I think the tier ends here 383 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,600 because the way I would think about it is, is what I think 384 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:34,080 you're insane to take one of these guys at one O 2. 385 00:20:34,360 --> 00:20:36,640 And I think it would be kind of nuts if someone went into a 386 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,520 draft right now and took Henderson at one O 2. 387 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,760 I'd be like, whoa, where I wouldn't feel that way about any 388 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,640 of these four guys. I know Ted isn't a popular guy 389 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,960 to take it one O 2 these days, but I still think it's very 390 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:49,760 defensible. So it would be. 391 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:53,360 More all of these guys are locked in round one draft 392 00:20:53,360 --> 00:20:56,280 capital, like when you start talking about Henderson even 393 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,760 like obviously it's different for running back, but there's no 394 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:02,760 guarantees really past these guys as far as round one for 395 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:04,320 skill position. I mean the tight ends. 396 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,320 But yeah, you get my point. Yeah, totally. 397 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,040 OK. So, yeah, so Davis, are you, it 398 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,080 sounds like you would include Henderson if you were doing this 399 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,840 on your own, but you're yeah, I would, but do you. 400 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,880 Disagree with with my take there that would you consider 401 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:22,560 Henderson one O 2? Would you consider all these 402 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,600 guys one O 2 including Henderson I guess? 403 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,760 Yes, yeah, kind of depending on like, oh, the Chargers took 404 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:29,760 Henderson. Like I, I like that better than 405 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:33,080 the Broncos, honestly. Like, you know, OK. 406 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:38,000 I Sean Payne is. Fucking begging to give Audrick 407 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,520 estimate goal line work over the running back that he trades up 408 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,760 for in the NFL draft. Dude, he's just begging to do 409 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:44,360 it. But like to do the thought 410 00:21:44,360 --> 00:21:48,360 experiment of like what I I like this framework for this tier 1O2 411 00:21:48,360 --> 00:21:51,440 potential. Like what would it take for 412 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,520 Henderson? Henderson would probably have to 413 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,920 go top 15 and for it to be a clean landing spot for him to be 414 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,760 one O 2. I think top Davis makes a good 415 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,160 point. I mean, if he were to go like 416 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:06,520 even late first round in a good landing spot and you're like, 417 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:07,960 I'm taking Henderson one O 2 now. 418 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:12,360 I, I would, I'd be like, OK, maybe, maybe he belongs in this 419 00:22:12,360 --> 00:22:14,720 tier. Where where did Gibbs go that 420 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,200 year? Cuz that is like the comp of 421 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:20,320 like the the explosive pass catching back who goes way 422 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:24,080 higher than anyone thinks. But people were not necessarily 423 00:22:24,360 --> 00:22:26,400 thrilled about the landing spot at the time. 424 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:29,680 Yeah. And it's although he did end up 425 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,160 at the 3-4 turn of basketball draft. 426 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:33,720 So we got on board maybe by rookie. 427 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,920 It's like we didn't have the time to fully readjust our 428 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,120 priors by rookie draft. Susan, I don't, I don't know. 429 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:45,600 I I've actually been meaning to do this on a show I have the 430 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:50,680 conversation around that clip that went around is so dumb. 431 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,960 That clip was from I believe someone said it was 2022. 432 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,840 It was three years. Ago, three years ago and 433 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,200 listening to. Just throw it out. 434 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,840 I mean throw it out my. Sake, I mean, throw it out if 435 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:05,520 you care about predicting the future. 436 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,120 If you want to just slam on Tet, it's fine. 437 00:23:08,120 --> 00:23:12,680 But yeah, no, I listen to like Connor Rogers and Trevor Sigma, 438 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,080 like way more plugged into these guys, like over the course of 439 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,400 their entire careers where that was their exact take. 440 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,480 Like, what are we doing? This is the dumbest thing. 441 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,560 Yeah, he, he was like literally a young kid like Edie is. 442 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,880 It's like it. There's no way that that 443 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,880 represents his framework of what he feels about football right 444 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:31,560 now. Here's a. 445 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,960 Here's a Here's a dirty little secret about all your favorite 446 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,920 NFL wide receivers. They all wanted to be NBA 447 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,840 players, and they don't like they don't really like to be 448 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,880 tackled that much. They just want to go make a 449 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,080 bunch of money, so they. Should we, should we not draft 450 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,400 Puku Nakua this year because he's going on podcast saying he 451 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,560 wants to retire at age 30 and would rather be playing 452 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,600 basketball for some small European club team? 453 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,080 Like, yeah, none of these guys want to be playing football. 454 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:01,160 It's a brutal sport. Well, there's there are some 455 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,880 character red flags at wide receiver in this class, but it's 456 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,480 not Ted. That's the other funny thing is 457 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,920 that like people, it's bond and and burden a little bit. 458 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,480 Those are the those are the wide receivers that we've heard teams 459 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,720 have actually some questions about in terms of like work 460 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,880 ethic and buying into the program and everything. 461 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:21,640 We haven't heard that about that. 462 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,760 So yeah. Yeah. 463 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,120 All right. So we're going to close out Tier 464 00:24:26,120 --> 00:24:29,120 2, but we'll let Davis then we're we're definitely opening 465 00:24:29,120 --> 00:24:33,880 up Tier 3 with Henderson. I'm I'm OK if you guys want to 466 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:38,680 put Henderson in. I I don't, I don't necessarily 467 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,600 hate it. I just I still, I still can't 468 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,800 see him leapfrogging any of these guys for one O 2, I guess 469 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,920 is where I'm struggling with that. 470 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,080 But that's not to say he's not a Tier 2 guy, just with the 471 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,720 framework of who could be one O 2, which I kind of liked for 472 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,720 this, that that's the the harder part. 473 00:24:55,360 --> 00:24:58,800 Yep. OK, Davis, which one of these is 474 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:00,800 Henderson? My inspect trick is not working 475 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,960 right now. I don't know. 476 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,680 Is it? Henderson No. 477 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:17,400 All the way bottom, bottom row to the right 32 there you go. 478 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,080 Yeah, that's Henderson. This one that I just. 479 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,040 That's Henderson. OK, OK, good job. 480 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,680 Good work, team. OK, so we're putting Henderson 481 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,920 in here, I guess. Then the next logical thing is, 482 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:31,520 is his teammate Judkins right there with him in this tier? 483 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:39,240 Yes, I mean Warren Judkins, Burden, Igbuka. 484 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:45,000 Let's let's pace ourselves. I bet you I bet you'll be able 485 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:49,880 to find Tyler Warren, brother. I'm working on I'm working on 486 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,800 Judkins right now, I believe. This is Judkins. 487 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:53,760 That's Judkins. Yeah, he's got, he's got the 488 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,440 cool hair. Yeah, OK. 489 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,680 I mean, let's let's talk about these two right here just 490 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,000 because they are teammates and it's convenient and most people 491 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:05,880 have them like back-to-back. Do you think it will just be a 492 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,560 combo of landing spot and draft capital? 493 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,760 Or let's assume draft capital is relatively equal. 494 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,120 Do you guys prefer Henderson or one of them strongly to the 495 00:26:15,120 --> 00:26:19,000 other? Henderson feels way more likely 496 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,000 to be a league winner. I completely agree. 497 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:26,600 I think Henderson especially like if we're, you know, if one 498 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,240 of these guys sneaks into the first rounds and in a good 499 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:34,080 landing spot, you know, I I would be much more excited about 500 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,400 it being Henderson than than Judkins. 501 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,280 I think Judkins is definitely interesting, but is more of kind 502 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:45,280 of a he's like the Hampton bet, but he's not as as versatile in 503 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,520 terms of the pass catching. Let me give you 0 there, though. 504 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,720 Let. Me give you a scenario and and 505 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,080 tell me how you would value these guys. 506 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:57,480 Let's say don't bank the perfect landing spot for Treviana 507 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,400 Henderson. I'm going to throw out the 508 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:00,720 Titans. Take him at the top of the 509 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,720 second round and we're just like, man, Pollard's there 510 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,640 Spears like this is a kind of weird. 511 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,320 Like what are we doing? And let's say Judkins goes to 512 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,560 the Steelers. It's like clear bruiser back 513 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,120 compliment to Jalen Warren, the new Naji or whatever. 514 00:27:14,360 --> 00:27:15,960 Like how? We second round or is he first 515 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,040 round? Let's say he there I just for 516 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,920 the use of it, let's say they're both early second round in that 517 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:26,000 scenario. Gimme Henderson. 518 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,960 Yeah, Gimme, Gimme Henderson. Which which almost seems like 519 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,960 you're rooting for kind of a somewhat murky spot for 520 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,800 Henderson to get the value on him where the market will not 521 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:42,280 give you value on the next Naji. The Naji role essentially like 522 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,840 that will be priced efficiently whereas people would be spooked 523 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:49,520 about that Titans committee. Henderson is someone that I 524 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,800 think from a long term perspective we should be like 525 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,000 even more excited about then from the short term perspective 526 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,120 because he's like a little bit, he's a little bit undersized. 527 00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:02,800 We want to see him be be utilized in a receiving role. 528 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,280 He's one of the better pass catching prospects, but we don't 529 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,760 generally see guys come into the league and are like immediately 530 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,560 just like stoning NFL edge rushers and stuff or blitzers. 531 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,680 Like there there's a learning curve even if you're good at it 532 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,760 in college. So I could see and then, you 533 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:26,240 know, it could take him a little bit to consolidate an entire 534 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,000 backfield since he's not this big guy like a Hampton that you 535 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,680 just kind of handed off to Argenti. 536 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,360 You're just like, it's yours now, you know, lead us. 537 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:40,880 So Henderson I I it's more of a ceiling play, whereas Judkins is 538 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,640 more of like a hippo. That's how you win dynasty 539 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,000 leagues anyways. You know you you don't win 540 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,520 dynasty leagues by chopping and changing a bunch of guys to 541 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,120 score 12.7 points per game. You know you find you find 542 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,840 ceiling guys. Yeah, well, but I, I like. 543 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,360 Henderson in best ball, but I think I like him even more in 544 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,760 dynasty. That and that, that makes sense 545 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,400 to me too, because I I even in my just kind of wild 546 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,840 hypothetical here, like already in the chat, Henderson would 547 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,120 have too much competition on the Titans. 548 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,880 Like I'm telling you, that would exactly be the sentiment across 549 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,360 the board. I would be OK and maybe this is 550 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,480 always split the difference of the previous concert, but I 551 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,600 would be OK having him in his own tier. 552 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:23,760 No, I I think that is not real. Like maybe you can maybe you can 553 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,800 mentally think of it that way, but like. 554 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,040 Mentally, I would. They're they're like Judkins, 555 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:30,320 Caleb. Johnson That is how I like to 556 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,000 think of things. And Trayvion Henderson are gonna 557 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,400 go within like 15 picks of each other, and it's gonna be like, 558 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,200 who went to a good spot? Who didn't? 559 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:43,840 Yeah, it's more that like I see no scenario in which I could 560 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,880 take Judkins one O 2. I do see a scenario where I 561 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,920 would be OK with Henderson. One, Cowboys don't take a 562 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,560 running back to round one, and they take Judkins in round. 563 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,760 Two, I'm not taking Judkins 102. There will be someone else that 564 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,320 I'll take. They someone will. 565 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,960 Someone will, yeah. Well, someone might, but people 566 00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:01,400 took. Remember when Keyshawn Vaughn 567 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,880 were you in the that league? Keyshawn Vaughn went 106 when 568 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,040 when the year he was he was drafted. 569 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:12,280 The fun thought requirement is how far down the board, like an 570 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,640 actual draft capital board can you go before people would just 571 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,400 chill on whatever rookie running back the Cowboys draft. 572 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,440 Right. Like it's like round two like, 573 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,160 or round one just like fucking forget. 574 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,400 It man Round 2 is the same as round one to the slappy market 575 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,720 for Cowboys running. Back round 3 might be the same 576 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:29,600 as round. One that's. 577 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,520 What I'm saying honestly? I I did this thought experiment 578 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,320 last year. If instead of trading for Trey 579 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,480 Lance, the Cowboys had just stayed put and taken Braylon 580 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:38,600 Allen, how high would we have taken? 581 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,720 Totally. Well, dude, I mean, think about 582 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:46,080 like if, especially if it's a guy that we at one point thought 583 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,200 of as a potential round one running back. 584 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,040 Like let's say Caleb Johnson fell to early round three. 585 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,960 Cowboys snap him up. He would be drafted extremely. 586 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,160 He's a top 50 pick in in basketball mania for sure. 587 00:30:58,320 --> 00:30:59,200 Oh, for sure. Scenario. 588 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,320 For sure. It's funny you say that because. 589 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,320 And no different than if he was drafted in round two. 590 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,520 Like there would be no discount. That's what I was gonna say in 591 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,520 in Thor's mock draft, his most recent one, he did do Caleb 592 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,720 Johnson to the Cowboys in Round 2. 593 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,280 And I I don't think there would be a difference in how the 594 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,240 market handled that. I agree. 595 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,440 Yeah, which is funny. Like if there was like a gap, 596 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,520 like if you think about the difference of like the NFL says, 597 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,840 three to four other running backs came off the board between 598 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,160 Johnson and round two to round three like that. 599 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:33,680 And 32 other players. Yeah, OK. 600 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,680 I think Luther Burden was the next name that Davis tossed out 601 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,560 here. Do we all agree he's in a part 602 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,760 of this Tier 3? Or is he part or not? 603 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,320 I don't think probably doesn't because Pat has. 604 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,400 Pat hasn't gotten his elbows dirty watching the film. 605 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,240 Which film you watching the 2023? 606 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:54,880 You just living in 2023 over there. 607 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,680 How about how about Dane Bruegler's running back three in 608 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,080 the class in the Beast brother? Who? 609 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,320 Who did he have? Scataboo? 610 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,120 Larrison, Caleb Johnson. Oh, Caleb Johnson. 611 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:07,720 Oh, that's right. Yeah. 612 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:07,960 Yeah. I. 613 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:13,120 Bet. So Luther Burden, I mean, if if 614 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:17,400 Luther burden goes round one, like let's say somewhere in the 615 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,920 20s or whatever, like he, he's definitely a tier 3 guy. 616 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:24,000 I guess then the conversation is is he a tier 3 guy if he slips 617 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,440 to early. 2nd and I don't so I agree with that framing. 618 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,760 I think if he's a first round pick, then I think he's a tier 3 619 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,800 guy. But I so I just finished up a 620 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:38,440 podcast with Nick Orisko, who's who's the fantasy law guy on 621 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:43,160 Twitter and he's like just really dialed into mocking the 622 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,360 first round. He does not think Burden's going 623 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,400 to go first round. He noted Lance's earline's first 624 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,680 mock is kind of the Canary in the coal mine on his draft 625 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,520 capital of people realizing that maybe there was an issue there 626 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,600 and then there been follow up reports that like, yeah, there 627 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,640 there does look like maybe there's an issue with him kind 628 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,880 of there's like basically diva wide receiver Devo reports on 629 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,880 him plus you have the 2024 season not at all what you want. 630 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,320 Plus you have the way that he generated production being like 631 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:15,400 kind of gadgety and concerned like a concerning level of of 632 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,080 gadget stuff. His his range of outcomes is 633 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,320 extremely wide. I do not think he's the type 634 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,160 player you want to write off and say as a bust. 635 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:27,120 He could be a huge hit, but I don't think I want to like I 636 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,920 just would never take him over Henderson at this point. 637 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,320 Like Henderson would have to go to some crazy landing spot for 638 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,200 me to for me to take Burden over him. 639 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:42,280 I think, I think that makes it seem like he should be in Tier 4 640 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:46,120 where it sounds like almost no matter what, like happens to 641 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:50,080 say, Henderson, you're going to be excited about his long term 642 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,440 dynasty value in a way that you can't say the same for Burden is 643 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,120 what I'm hearing. That's that's how I feel. 644 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,360 Davis, it sounds like, though, you would have been willing to 645 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:02,040 include him. Yeah. 646 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,200 Burden, burden Round 2. I don't care man. 647 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:10,239 He he's, so I think Burden is, I mean, I think he's DJ Moore 648 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:15,880 basically. And I give a large pass to what 649 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,520 the Missouri offense was in 2024. 650 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,960 The the red flags are not, they're more, they're more like 651 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:28,159 pink flags for me really, 'cause he's like, he's a good deep 652 00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:29,840 threat. He 'cause he kind of does the 653 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,480 two sick things for fantasy. He can do the gadget shit that 654 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,880 kind of builds you in a nice little floor, but he can also 655 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:40,320 win down the field. Yeah, but isn't the sickest 656 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:45,440 thing getting open? I have the matter of 657 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:49,440 perspective, Pat. That's how I'm starting to feel 658 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,520 that the that the very sickest thing you can do is just get 659 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:56,800 open all the time. What let Let's maybe table the 660 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,640 burden thing for a SEC. Are there any other surefire 661 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,400 Tier 3 guys that you think should be included with Judkins 662 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,040 and and Henderson here? Golden for sure. 663 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,800 Really, Golden is someone I really struggled to. 664 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,280 Golden should should be probably ranked over burden, yeah. 665 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:20,520 In a different tier. I mean I golden might be the 666 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,160 12th overall pick and and burden might be like mid second. 667 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,200 You know, I feel like the 12th overall stuff is kind of cooled 668 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,520 out. Felt like that was like 1 random 669 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,920 mock draft and then that just became too much of A talking. 670 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,040 Point it's cooled a little bit, but it hasn't worked or people 671 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,760 expect golden to Yeah, so there you go. 672 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,440 But but but it's not cooled because people are like, I don't 673 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:41,640 even know if he's a first rounder. 674 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:46,080 Everyone expects there to be golden and and T Mac off the 675 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,480 board in round one. That's those are the two guys 676 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:52,040 who look relatively locked in to round one at this point. 677 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,520 So I don't know. I mean, I do struggle with gold 678 00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:01,280 and I don't like him as much as I should because based on the 679 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,040 draft capital, I just, I don't know. 680 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,280 To me, to me this this conversation of these two here 681 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,280 is so funny because it's almost like how you'd want to play 682 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,920 these guys in best ball and dynasty is entirely different 683 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,120 where it's just you just blindly take golden because of his draft 684 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,080 capital and that opportunity is going to get. 685 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:23,720 But you're way more nervous about him having a bust profile 686 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:30,040 in dynasty where it's burden has a much stronger dynasty profile. 687 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,400 Where I think you you feel more confident about him just being a 688 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,360 good player over a three to five year time span, but is way more 689 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,840 susceptible to probably year 1 wonkiness based on his draft 690 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:47,560 capital based on his team fit. Exactly the the guys that I go 691 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:48,320 ahead. Go ahead, David. 692 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,440 I think this is just, this is must just be about my risk 693 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,000 tolerance profile because I'm just like, yeah, dude, just load 694 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:58,080 me up on these guys. Like like I'm just like if I can 695 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,320 just, if I can just snap these dudes off at the 110 and every 696 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,160 rookie draft or whatever, I'm like, yeah, send it. 697 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,240 I'm I'm doing that every time. I'm not taking Chadur, I'm not 698 00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:11,560 taking Jackson Dart, I'm not taking Caleb Johnson. 699 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,840 I'm just like, yeah, dude, Gimme Luther Burden. 700 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,520 Gimme, Gimme Golden. Where are you at on the tight 701 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,440 ends? I mean Warren is for sure Warren 702 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:24,080 is for sure tier 3, but I I've been lower on Tyler Warren this 703 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:25,960 whole time than than everyone else. 704 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,640 Warren or or Loveland? See, that's The thing is I think 705 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,560 Loveland is gonna, we're starting to hear the chatter 706 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,400 like, oh, Loveland actually is a better run blocker. 707 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,680 Loveland is a better, yeah. You're tights that whole 708 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,960 breakdown about that because Sims says he's the he's the best 709 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,120 run blocker in the class, so the run blocking thing is kind of 710 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:47,760 flipped. What is the dynasty market gonna 711 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,840 do if you get the chalk war into Colts, which everyone agrees 712 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,480 sucks? People are too woke now that 713 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,280 they're like, can't project who the Colts quarterback is gonna 714 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,680 be 12 months from now. Just send it. 715 00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:06,560 You're, you're saying that the, I, I kind of disagree. 716 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,880 If if the market's going to overreact about Judkins versus 717 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:14,040 Henderson, you know, landing spot, you know projected volume, 718 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,000 the market will overreact about his quarterback play in the 719 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,920 short term. Depends, obviously depends on 720 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,080 the the league a little bit, but like, I don't know, man, this 721 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,560 used to be like I was actually, I'm writing an article right now 722 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,160 and I, I went back and looked and like there was a, a time 723 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:35,120 when Nicole Hardman was the consensus one O 8 and like we 724 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,040 just are not doing that type of stuff anymore. 725 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:43,680 I do think that if it's Loveland, people will really 726 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,520 care, and I don't know that they care so much. 727 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:49,240 It's Warren because I, I feel that the fantasy community has a 728 00:38:49,240 --> 00:38:54,440 bigger distance between those two players than is backed up by 729 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,280 the scouting community or the numbers. 730 00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,440 I agree. I, I, I don't understand why the 731 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,600 perception of these guys is that like, it's Warren and then like 732 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,600 down here's Loveland. They're very close to me as 733 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,520 bets. You Loveland. 734 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:10,720 I have way more of than best ball. 735 00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:14,920 He goes way later. I think in the first mock draft 736 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,760 we did, I took Loveland and it was like, oh, you know, but I, I 737 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,480 think Loveland's as soon as Warren goes off, if you want to 738 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:25,440 tight end, take Loveland, you know, and, and by the way, 739 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,640 Loveland is probably less likely to go to the Colts. 740 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,040 So you could end up, you could see them flipped after the 741 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:33,680 draft. You know, that would be, and to 742 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,120 me, that would be a reasonable thing to do of like, hey, 743 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,760 Loveland landed with the Chargers and Warren landed with 744 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,640 the Colts. I'm just going to take the dude 745 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,400 who's in the better situation with a better quarterback and 746 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,760 they're compare, they're very comparable prospects. 747 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,040 In fact, a lot of NFL evaluators are now saying they think 748 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:56,760 Loveland has a higher ceiling. So I do think Loveland belongs 749 00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,520 in this Tier 3. You could maybe just Add all the 750 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,760 wide receivers in this tier. But then do we talk about the 751 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,280 quarterbacks being in this Tier 2? 752 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:08,400 Like how big is this Tier 3? Well, that that's what I'm 753 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,800 starting to try to tease out. So right now, just as the 754 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:15,440 placeholders, I have the two out Ohio State running backs and 755 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,920 Warren in Tier 3 and then we have Burden, Golden and Loveland 756 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,000 in Tier 4. To me, the conversation is like, 757 00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:25,600 of these six guys, which ones do you feel most confident on? 758 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,160 It sounds like we're already there with Henderson. 759 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,000 That almost no matter. Where they move Henderson to to 760 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,600 Tier 2. I think I was wrong about that. 761 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,560 That's what I was getting out of either he needs to be in his own 762 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:40,600 tier or he needs to go up based on this combo because he's Tier 763 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,480 2 beyond man. He's Tier 2, yeah. 764 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:46,560 He's Tier 2. And then are all of these guys 765 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,400 part of Tier 3 then? Yeah. 766 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:55,560 Yeah, see, I I know Ball. But Igbuka is also in this tier. 767 00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,000 Igbuka is in this. Tier, yeah, that makes sense. 768 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,480 And it does seem like, like you said, the fact that these two 769 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:06,800 could be flipped by perception based on landing spot like means 770 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,120 I think necessitates that they have to be at the same tier. 771 00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:11,760 Same with the golden and Burden, right? 772 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,760 Because if their draft capital is really similar, the market's 773 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:18,440 going to prefer Burden, I think. But if you get that gap and 774 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:22,640 Golden is way ahead, then I think you you go with gold in 775 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:23,720 there. Or at least that's how it will 776 00:41:23,720 --> 00:41:26,680 shake out in in drafts. Yeah, and I'm always trying to 777 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,800 like, look at as I as I do this stuff and I am writing these 778 00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,040 guys up now. I'm starting to write up the 779 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,000 receivers now. And it's like I am trying to 780 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,200 separate out these two things in my head at least a little bit 781 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:42,000 because you have this opinion of what I think these guys value. 782 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,520 You know what, what is their value? 783 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:47,080 And it's based on where they will be drafted and how good of 784 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,640 prospects I think they are, you know, and then you combine the 785 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,760 draft capital in there and you're like, OK, this dude's 786 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,040 like a late first round type guy. 787 00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,120 But I'm going to be wrong about where they're drafted in like 788 00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,720 some pretty important ways. You know, like Henderson could 789 00:41:59,720 --> 00:42:01,520 go way earlier than I thought he was. 790 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,360 It turns out actually some team has Henderson as a running back 791 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,360 too. He'd like leapfrog frogs. 792 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,880 Hampton, he goes to, you know, Hampton doesn't go to the 793 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:11,120 Broncos. He falls further. 794 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,040 Henderson ends up going to the Chargers or something. 795 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:14,440 They, they they're in love with him, right? 796 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,880 Something weird like that is going to, I don't know 797 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,280 specifically what, but there's gonna be some weird stuff. 798 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,360 And so I am trying to be like, you know, like with Burden. 799 00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:28,360 If Burden was like the 20th pick and Golden was the 21st pick, 800 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:30,720 give me Burden. You know, there's. 801 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,560 Yeah, right. I don't want to get too married 802 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,520 to the projected draft capital because it is still pretty 803 00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,600 murky. Do we feel good? 804 00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,520 So for our audio listeners here, we got Gente in his own tier. 805 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,960 We're calling it the snap decline tier in one O 2 806 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,080 potential. This is for dynasty Superflex 807 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,120 tight end, premium shout out David Kitchen drafts, Cam Ward, 808 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,960 Omarion Hampton, Ted McMillan, Travis Hunter, and we just 809 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,560 bumped Trevion Henderson up into this one O 2 potential. 810 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,480 And then I'm calling this third one capital versus talent, 811 00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,760 saying that there's a lot of ways these guys could flip flop. 812 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,200 But your mix here is going to be Judkins, the two tight ends, 813 00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,480 Loveland and Warren, and then the three wide receivers, 814 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:11,040 Burden, Golden, Ibuka. Judkins, by the way, does have 815 00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,960 like some pretty real red flags I've seen about like for for a 816 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,720 bruising runner, he like broke fewer missed tackles per rush 817 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:23,280 then like Laquint Allen, who's like Samaj P Ryan Part 2, which 818 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:27,640 is like kind of interesting. Yeah, that's not great. 819 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,440 He he is more, he's like his rushing profiles kind of in that 820 00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,520 Hampton zone where you're like, you do all this stuff really 821 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:39,440 well, like on a per game basis you could you can break tackles. 822 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,480 You better get 19 rushes a game though. 823 00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,800 But you need 19 rushes per game and you're not going to be as 824 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,280 involved as a receiver as Hampton, so he is landing spot 825 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,880 dependent for sure. All right, Pat, I got a either a 826 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,480 gotcha moment or an addition to capital verse talent because you 827 00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:58,840 took a player ahead of IGBUCA and Golden when you were on the 828 00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,160 clock at 1:12 in our draft a couple weeks ago. 829 00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,200 That has not been added to the mix yet. 830 00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,120 Was it chador? Yeah. 831 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,960 That's what I was going to ask, where these quarterbacks go. 832 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,720 I think Chador should be in this. 833 00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,440 He's going to end up being the Eat Your Vegetables. 834 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,240 He and Dart are going to be the the Daniel Jones Eat Your 835 00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:20,320 Vegetables picks where you're like, I guess, but it's not fun 836 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:24,120 to take them. It's not fun, but I think as 837 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:28,200 long as he goes, let's say he goes like 21 to the Steelers, 838 00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,800 which is. That I think that represents 839 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,720 close to his floor. That's what I that's what I 840 00:44:35,720 --> 00:44:38,800 think. Like, yeah, as long as that is 841 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,400 the real floor, as long as there's not some additional 842 00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,760 like, Oh my God, the NFL just does not like this guy floor, 843 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,680 then he's worth a late first round pick. 844 00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:49,720 And that's kind of how I'm viewing all of these guys like 845 00:44:49,720 --> 00:44:51,160 this. These are your late first round 846 00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,240 picks. He's definitely in that 847 00:44:53,240 --> 00:44:55,720 conversation. And we could be wrong. 848 00:44:55,720 --> 00:44:58,720 Like we he could end up I I don't think he goes to the 849 00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:02,360 Giants at 3:00 or anything like that at this point, But maybe 850 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,720 the Browns trade back up for him and pair him with Travis Hunter 851 00:45:05,720 --> 00:45:08,120 and all of a sudden we're kind of excited about him and Kevin 852 00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:11,760 Stefanski offense. There are some scenarios where 853 00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,320 we're like psyched about Shadour and he's going up quite a bit 854 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,320 higher than this in, you know, or at least ahead of like this 855 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,040 group in. In super and that's why I think 856 00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,800 he should be in this tier 3 capital verse talent because 857 00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,920 that capital is ultimately going to determine it like his I I 858 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:30,760 wrote this up for the newsletter this morning, so I was looking 859 00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,600 at it. His line on DK right now is 8 860 00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:37,960 1/2 and it was juice to the over, but that's still kind of 861 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,880 playing him in that 910 in the middle range of what you just 862 00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,320 described the 21, the floor in the previous highs of like two 863 00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,240 or three. I think if he's in that 8 to 12 864 00:45:49,240 --> 00:45:52,400 range, maybe the trade up scenario you like you said, I 865 00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:56,200 think he's going at 19110 in drafts and then belongs in this 866 00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,760 tier. One of the scenarios that I 867 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:03,120 talked about with Nick is that the Rams would take him, whether 868 00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,880 that's sitting tight at 26, probably probably not. 869 00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:10,480 But maybe they trade up a bit. If, you know, if he falls, you 870 00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,880 know, kind of into that 20s range, they could maybe get up 871 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,720 and and take him at like maybe they'd have to trade up ahead of 872 00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:18,720 the Seahawks at 18 or something like that. 873 00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:21,320 But they could maybe get him if he falls past the Saints. 874 00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,560 And it sounds like the Saints probably are less likely than 875 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,000 people think to take him at 9:00. 876 00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:31,280 So the from a dynasty perspective, him being the 877 00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:35,240 successor to Matthew Stafford in a Sean McVeigh offense is 878 00:46:35,240 --> 00:46:38,080 pretty, pretty exciting. You got to wait a little bit. 879 00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,080 The best ball bags are hurting if you have him. 880 00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,200 But but yeah, we would be excited. 881 00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,440 And similar like Saints at 9, you know, if they if they did 882 00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:52,000 that, you know, you'd be feeling pretty good about I think his 883 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,880 stock. Saints, Saints, you're loving 884 00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:55,360 it. It's just like that is just 885 00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,320 that's going to be an asset that's burning a hole in your 886 00:46:58,320 --> 00:46:59,880 pocket. If Shooter is sitting on the 887 00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:03,040 bench all year, he'd be like, man I really wish I would have 888 00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,360 done anything other. Than so I don't know. 889 00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:10,240 Take this guy. Oh, I mean, I tend to like those 890 00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,960 those types of plays if you can get them cheap enough because 891 00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,840 like you, you can turn around and like you take your your 892 00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,080 Michael Pinnix. Who would we thought we're going 893 00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,600 to wait two years to get anything out of he was a second 894 00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,360 round pick. You take him, you can massive 895 00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,800 profit on the table already. You're JJ McCarthy. 896 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,720 We're we're already starting to get he hasn't played it down. 897 00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:30,680 We're already getting kind of excited about him for best ball 898 00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,560 and stuff. I think you can turn a profit on 899 00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:38,000 these quarterbacks as long as there's actually a floor, you 900 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:42,080 know, like if it's if he's frigging Malik Willis, you know, 901 00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,520 and and it's like basically going to be a backup 902 00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,080 immediately, then there's no there's no floor. 903 00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:51,760 But that's not who Shidor is. Shidor is kind of a a lower 904 00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:55,480 ceiling NFL archetype, but one that we are confident can kind 905 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,160 of be play point guard at least. So he'll get a shot. 906 00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,000 He'll get a shot to be a starter, and that's worth a lot. 907 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:06,000 And Superflex. So the only other player who was 908 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:12,360 off the board before anyone that is still up on this, That's a 909 00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,400 really weird way to say it. That win ahead of IGBUCA and 910 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,280 Golden in our draft who hasn't been selected yet, was Caleb 911 00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,760 Johnson. Blair took him at 11. 912 00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,600 He seemed. This feels like a tear break to 913 00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:27,320 me. I I there's stuff to like about 914 00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,760 Caleb Johnson but he feels like the start of Tier 4. 915 00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:31,920 Or does someone want to make the case he should be in tier 3? 916 00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:39,600 I mean, I would like to make the case that I, I mean straight up, 917 00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,320 I think he's just better than Judkins. 918 00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:47,120 I think he's like a more. I think he comes in right away 919 00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:52,720 and is like, I have no, like he can do all the things he is fine 920 00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:54,760 at pass blocking. I think he's going to be fine in 921 00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,680 the receiving game. I don't think he's like nearly 922 00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,840 like Judkins is probably more dynamic in like the open field 923 00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,800 than him. But like the thing that all the 924 00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,120 teams are talking about in this job, we need a big bodied guy. 925 00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:06,560 We Damien Martinez. Yeah. 926 00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,600 And I think like, he's the best version of that guy. 927 00:49:09,720 --> 00:49:15,960 He's the best version of the 225 LB guy who can run a 4-5 and 928 00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,760 break tackles and have a 52% success rate. 929 00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,040 Yeah, those success rates sucked in college. 930 00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:26,280 So that that's one of the concerns is that he's maybe like 931 00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,560 a bit more boom bust. He's maybe more like a Kenneth 932 00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,080 Walker as far as like big backs go. 933 00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:31,600 He's like more of an explosion guy. 934 00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,840 I don't know, I, I mean, I, I'm kind of just spitballing here, 935 00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,600 but like his Iowa teams were so bad. 936 00:49:37,720 --> 00:49:40,640 It's kind of the Pacheco thing where like they were so 937 00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:42,360 disinterested in the forward pass. 938 00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:48,000 I feel like that his his final season at Iowa, he had more 939 00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,000 yards from scrimmage than the team threw for. 940 00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,600 That's good. Yeah, it's pretty good. 941 00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:58,000 I guess the, the the push back on the the Caleb including him 942 00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,360 in this stuff is like the draft capital for him is definitely 943 00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,120 going to be meaningfully different. 944 00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,240 Like all of these guys we're talking about are either round 945 00:50:05,240 --> 00:50:08,960 one or at worst top around 2. Like it would be pretty shocking 946 00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:12,160 if Caleb Johnson went like earlier than middle of Round 2, 947 00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:16,160 right? Yeah, I, I. 948 00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:22,960 I think it's possible if you're like a zone run team and you you 949 00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:27,440 want like an outside, like outside zone downhill runner, I 950 00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,360 could see a team being like, let's not mess around, let's get 951 00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:31,800 this guy. I mean, I think Bruegler's rank 952 00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:35,960 on him would show you that there is some real love for him and 953 00:50:36,240 --> 00:50:39,280 you're competing with with those other teams like that. 954 00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:43,120 Like, I guess I wouldn't be shocked if I don't. 955 00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,280 I guess I don't. Are the Bears going to be 956 00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,280 running that kind of system? But you know, it wouldn't shock 957 00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,760 the Bears. We got Lamic in the chat saying 958 00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:52,280 Johnson is his own style running back. 959 00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,680 All those zone style running teams already have backs. 960 00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,560 Besides, the Bears landing spot seems murky and potential 961 00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,840 faller. Yeah, so if the bears were to 962 00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:03,880 grab him, he would be. But that's that's I guess maybe 963 00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:05,680 why I wouldn't have in this tiers that it's like it kind of 964 00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,280 takes a landing spot, like specifically the bears using one 965 00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,400 of their spot. Yeah, a perfect spot. 966 00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:16,760 Maybe that's what Tier 4 is. It's like it's, you know, hoping 967 00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:21,320 for a perfect spot. The guys that could be a top. 968 00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,880 Chiefs. Chiefs that pick 64 or whatever 969 00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,040 or 63. Yeah, I mean, come on, that'd be 970 00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:29,360 awesome. Yeah. 971 00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:31,800 Guys, you can dream on kind of thing. 972 00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,560 Yeah, dream on. And there will be a lot of 973 00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,840 personal preference like some years you'd like know who you're 974 00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,440 gonna get at your pick. You're like, oh, I got the the 2 975 00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,920 four. I know exact like this draft 976 00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,280 will not be like that. There will be a lot of personal 977 00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,400 flavor. I I think that comes in. 978 00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:53,120 So we're we're. Kicking off one other one other 979 00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,360 guy, 'cause I actually think there's someone else we need to 980 00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,920 talk about before we, yeah, we fully move on to Tier 4. 981 00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,680 No Loveland we got in Tier 3. Oh, OK. 982 00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:02,840 All right. I didn't remember that. 983 00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,080 Jackson Dart. That's Ollie Gordon, by the way. 984 00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,520 What that's? That's Ollie Gordon. 985 00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,800 What are you talking about? That right there in the dream on 986 00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:18,240 team on that's. Ollie Gordon, I thought you were 987 00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:19,920 saying Loveland was Ollie Gordon. 988 00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,560 Thank you. That's actually derogatory. 989 00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:23,600 Dream on. Like, come on. 990 00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:27,400 It's not. Yeah, no, I got I got to change 991 00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:28,640 this. Not happening. 992 00:52:28,720 --> 00:52:36,280 No. Let me get my let's see. 993 00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,320 This is him, right? That's him. 994 00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:38,920 Yeah. That's. 995 00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:39,320 Good. OK. 996 00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:40,760 All right, Thank you. Thank you. 997 00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,920 All right, Jackson Dart in this in this dream on tier. 998 00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:48,320 Yes. I think, no, I think he's in. 999 00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:49,800 I think he's in capital versus talent. 1000 00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:54,440 He's gonna go first round. OK, right. 1001 00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:58,200 OK. Yeah, if he, if he's. 1002 00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,320 Yeah. And and to your point, if you 1003 00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:06,280 get the Sanders slide and DART like holds strong in the mid 20s 1004 00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,280 or whatever, if those two are close and we've already heard 1005 00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:11,720 the sentiment like Jacob mentioned it on ADP chasing like 1006 00:53:11,720 --> 00:53:14,880 I'm taking DART over Sanders in dynasty. 1007 00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:18,000 Like, people are way more excited about the dark tools 1008 00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:23,080 than they are Sanders. And Dart, you know I've. 1009 00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,720 I've as the leader of the Dart brigade, I frankly find this a 1010 00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:31,560 bit What's. Ridiculous about it. 1011 00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:36,440 Chadur's better dude, like Chadur had to play in like the 1012 00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,400 opposite of a real offense like Chadur's. 1013 00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,480 You know, Chadur's offensive coordinator was do you? 1014 00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,920 This will be good, Crane. You know, don't say it, Peter. 1015 00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,600 Just it's it's one of the funniest names you can imagine. 1016 00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,640 Who do you think? Old NFL guy in his 70s. 1017 00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,040 We he's been around forever. Just what? 1018 00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:55,040 Sorry, what's the question? Chadur's offensive coordinator. 1019 00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,200 He's supposed to be an offensive guru. 1020 00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,240 He's literally one of the worst of all time. 1021 00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,560 Pat Shermer was his offensive coordinator. 1022 00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:10,880 Basically the Colorado game plan was we're never going to run and 1023 00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,480 and you're our offensive line is not going to be particularly 1024 00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:17,120 good and we're just going to let you run around and do stuff. 1025 00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:21,480 And there's a lot of, I'm not saying Shdur, like Shdur, if he 1026 00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,720 hits is gonna be like the at best, like the 13th best 1027 00:54:24,720 --> 00:54:28,720 quarterback in the NFL. I'm not like Shdur is him QB 1028 00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:33,600 one. But compare the two systems. 1029 00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,160 Go watch Jackson dart highlights. 1030 00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,960 It's him just like hitting dudes who don't have anyone on the 1031 00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:42,040 screen with them 'cause Lane Kiffin is really good at his 1032 00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:45,080 job. Like I just, and I was the dart 1033 00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,640 guy originally, but it's gone. It's a bit too much. 1034 00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,760 It's not your own take. I love it. 1035 00:54:53,240 --> 00:54:55,920 The the thing with Dart because I've done a whole spiel about 1036 00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,320 how, you know, quarterbacks don't sit and and stuff. 1037 00:54:58,720 --> 00:55:02,520 The nice thing about maybe chador and Dart from, you know, 1038 00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,960 but I, I would say more more so Dart, who I think probably needs 1039 00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:09,360 to sit is that he will go late enough in the first to where a 1040 00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,280 team is going to be able to to pull that off for at least the 1041 00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:14,840 majority of the season. It'll be more like a panic 1042 00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:17,960 situation. I think like, for example, he 1043 00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,320 could end up going to the Steelers and then they sign 1044 00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,320 Aaron Rodgers and he doesn't really play this year, but that 1045 00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:25,200 that would be pretty good for him. 1046 00:55:25,240 --> 00:55:29,000 Like being a first round pick, who's the the successor? 1047 00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:31,240 You're going to have to wait on it. 1048 00:55:31,240 --> 00:55:34,600 His value might fall in the short term next year. 1049 00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:36,880 If he's not the start of Rodgers does another year, his value 1050 00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:38,800 will fall. People will lose patience, but 1051 00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:42,520 eventually with first round capital, he will be a starter 1052 00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:45,080 and he's got tools and people will will see stuff to get 1053 00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:46,960 excited. So he's just like kind of you're 1054 00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:50,680 banking a profit with Jackson Dart unless he falls out of the 1055 00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:53,200 first round, but I don't think. He that that I agree with. 1056 00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:55,200 I I agree with that. Yeah. 1057 00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:01,480 So do you guys envision scenarios where like Sanders and 1058 00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:05,680 Dart are just going back-to-back in rookie drafts like a 19110? 1059 00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:07,800 Yeah, but. That almost feels like most 1060 00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,320 likely to me, assuming they both go in the first round. 1061 00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:11,800 So then that's. How we have it right? 1062 00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:15,040 I literally have Sanders first but then dart right behind him 1063 00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:15,840 once behind. Him. 1064 00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:19,280 So, Davis, are you willing to include Dart with Sanders or do 1065 00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,000 you think there's still a? Break no, no, we we can include 1066 00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:25,080 it, but I do just I do just want to push back on this whole thing 1067 00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:29,120 a little bit like that like we got we got we got we got we got 1068 00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:33,680 Dan Orlovsky going on TV every day it being like The Jets 1069 00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,440 should just take him at 7, you know, and I'm like all right, 1070 00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:38,400 let's just. Well, I'm with you there. 1071 00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:40,000 That's yeah. Where? 1072 00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:41,680 Where do we get tears? Exercise Where? 1073 00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:44,880 We're being pretty level headed right now, I would say. 1074 00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:48,680 All right, as much as it hates me to bring him up here, not 1075 00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:51,240 because I don't think he's. Valuable I know because 2 lines. 1076 00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:54,040 Second line it's just like, is there someone? 1077 00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,840 Else I wish, I wish other guys joined him on the line. 1078 00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:01,040 Oh no, I got him on the line by zooming out. 1079 00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,760 We're good, we're good. Easy fix. 1080 00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:09,080 OK, so this dream on tier, this is going to be a longish tier, 1081 00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:10,440 right? Because even looking at our 1082 00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,080 dynasty draft, this is really where you start to get your 1083 00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:17,240 choose your own preferred flavor at wide receiver, running back, 1084 00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:20,560 tight end, flyer. Yeah, but I do think that this 1085 00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:23,640 tier for me is going to be at least somewhat tied to draft 1086 00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:26,280 capital where there's guys that I like, but I'm scared they 1087 00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:30,000 might be day three picks. If if Caleb Johnson's in this 1088 00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:33,280 tier, then it shouldn't include guys like that because Caleb 1089 00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:34,760 Johnson's going to be a day two pick. 1090 00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:36,560 You know he might not be. Around to anymore. 1091 00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:39,280 I think Scatabo should be next to Caleb Johnson. 1092 00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:40,520 I agree. I agree. 1093 00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:46,000 Running back 12 in the Beast. If you can't, if you can't dream 1094 00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,560 on scataboo, then no. Exactly if. 1095 00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:50,960 You can't. If you can't dream on scataboo 1096 00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:52,720 then then you're you're. Right. 1097 00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,920 What are you watching this for? Right, exactly 2. 1098 00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,160 A great point. Find something else to do with 1099 00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:01,520 your time. Scataboo too big come on too big 1100 00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:04,960 for the take cast. I I DM D him nothing nothing 1101 00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:06,760 from Cam. That's that's bullish. 1102 00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:10,920 No, no. Unironic in so many ways. 1103 00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,000 Unironic, unironic bullish because you know who's coming on 1104 00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:18,240 land Larrison's coming on. So I would I would I would UN 1105 00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,440 earmark your fourth round rookie running back flip. 1106 00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:24,040 For land. Thanks for coming on land, 1107 00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:29,880 you're now undraftable. Here we go, I am. 1108 00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:33,360 This is just production value on the fly. 1109 00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:37,840 Final tier Matic kiss of death. I put Jalen Millroe in the kiss 1110 00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:41,560 of Death Pier then too. Dude the best. 1111 00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:46,680 So I had Thor on my after dark show from fantasy life and I 1112 00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:48,800 asked him. Someone in the chat was asking 1113 00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:53,720 about Lynn and I passed it along and he said he was dollar store 1114 00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:57,360 Dylan Lauby, which is. Yeah, let's go. 1115 00:58:57,440 --> 00:58:58,760 That's. About right? 1116 00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,080 I was under the impression that I was, that I was all. 1117 00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:13,640 Right. So we got Caleb Johnson, Cam 1118 00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:16,800 Scatabo. Who else do you guys should be 1119 00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:17,920 in this tier? Are we going to start to 1120 00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:19,600 introduce some like Jayden Higgins? 1121 00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:21,960 No bonds? Jayden Higgins should be in this 1122 00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:23,040 tier. Yeah, sure. 1123 00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:27,920 But there's no there's no more Dream on guy than Isaiah Bond, 1124 00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:31,640 who, like, never did anything. Yeah, I guess is. 1125 00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:36,760 That Higgins, Pat. I think it is Higgins. 1126 00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,840 Yeah, Noel. Noel is the one with the braids. 1127 00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:46,280 OK so to me like this dream on tier to me this is like this is 1128 00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:50,360 like Round 2. Yeah, priority round two guys, 1129 00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:53,000 early round two priorities, which I actually don't think 1130 00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,760 Bond is. That's what I was was going to 1131 00:59:55,760 --> 01:00:00,920 try to suss out there. I think Bond's more like a. 8 1132 01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,680 Round 2. Feels like the NFL, like we've 1133 01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:10,400 gotten enough kind of fuss about a priority. 1134 01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:15,080 Yeah, I don't know, maybe maybe I'm wrong because like some 1135 01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:18,600 people still like Bond has still been around 1 mock guy even 1136 01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:22,080 after getting literally booed at the NFL scouting company. 1137 01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:29,280 I think I've, I've seen him more as like a round three guy like, 1138 01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:36,120 you know, in the 80s and stuff of big boards because I think 1139 01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:38,040 he's probably having like. Probably bad. 1140 01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:41,520 Yeah, yeah. I don't think he's in this tier. 1141 01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:44,280 I think he's in the next. So this tier might actually be 1142 01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:47,480 smaller. Well, there's two guys that we 1143 01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:49,200 should add. I think 1 is mill row. 1144 01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:51,240 Mill row. Yes. 1145 01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:56,160 No row getting invited to the draft is interesting. 1146 01:00:56,160 --> 01:01:00,800 I don't think it means he's going around 1:00, but it can't 1147 01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,560 mean he's dead to go round one. There must be a team that under 1148 01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:05,400 the right circumstances, be willing to consider it. 1149 01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:09,480 Or why did they invite him? They only, they only invited 13 1150 01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:13,000 dudes and he's one of them. What would be your and he 1151 01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:17,040 accepted, right? What would you like, if you 1152 01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:19,480 like? If you're all these guys think 1153 01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:21,320 the world of themselves, I'm sure they all think they're 1154 01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:23,480 going higher. But if you're in your heart of 1155 01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:25,560 hearts and you're like, I don't want to do the waiting in the 1156 01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:30,880 green room thing, on the other hand, you get the invite, then I 1157 01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:32,800 don't know. I'm just like the psychology of 1158 01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:34,200 it. I think you just have to say yes 1159 01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:35,880 if you're a fringe guy who gets the invite. 1160 01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:39,400 Well, the other thing with Milro that from what I understand, I 1161 01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:45,160 mean, it's like character and likability and like it's all 1162 01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:48,520 very high. The people, people really like 1163 01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:51,560 Jalen Milroe, teammates, coaches, all of it. 1164 01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:57,320 And so I just feel like you would, I don't know, like why 1165 01:01:57,320 --> 01:01:59,720 would you do it to this guy? Like, you know, like this is a 1166 01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:02,480 this is a guy who people who people respect. 1167 01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:05,360 He went to a big time program with a lot of NFL connections. 1168 01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:09,440 So, you know, he's and he was at the program for a while. 1169 01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:15,720 It it just, it's strange to me that he would that there would 1170 01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:20,960 be like no buzz within NFL circles that that he's live to 1171 01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,760 go round one. If there isn't, then why did 1172 01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:25,320 they invite him? It's just very strange. 1173 01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:29,800 Who was who was the other person that you thought should be in 1174 01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:32,720 this tier, Pat? Harold Fannon. 1175 01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:36,320 I OK, I'm glad you said that, Davis. 1176 01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:40,680 You took Harold Fannon at 15, wrapped a head of Higgins, a 1177 01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:42,360 head of Scatterbo, a head of Mill Row. 1178 01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:46,160 A head. Of dark all the OK I did do 1179 01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:48,120 this. Let me try. 1180 01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:51,400 We just need This show just needs to be 3 different versions 1181 01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:52,800 of. Dave, can I from like 2 weeks 1182 01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:55,200 ago? I wonder if I can easily wriggle 1183 01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:59,640 my way out of this channel. Do you make anything out of it? 1184 01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:03,440 I have a hard time differentiating in my brain 1185 01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:06,440 between what I want to have happen and what is going to 1186 01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:10,440 happen. And I feel so strongly that the 1187 01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:13,560 NFL is telling us that Harold Fannon is not going to happen. 1188 01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:16,440 But I really want it to happen and I don't know what to do with 1189 01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:19,840 that. I that's not my read with the 1190 01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:24,640 NFLI feel like the NFL is saying maybe this happens. 1191 01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:30,560 Maybe like maybe it does like Harold Fannon to be a Bowling 1192 01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:36,520 Green duck footed slot receiver playing tight end that that he 1193 01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:38,440 is basically. I don't I don't want to say 1194 01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:43,120 universally, but on on the majority and it you know, maybe 1195 01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:45,800 you could even say vast majority of top one hundreds you'd see 1196 01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:48,760 him. Now, does he going to go round 1197 01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:50,960 two? No, Is he going to be any 1198 01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:54,440 earlier than the tight end 5? No, and he might be the tight 1199 01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:58,200 end 6, but like who cares? He's going to get drafted. 1200 01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:00,080 That in the beast. Yeah. 1201 01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:03,320 So he's gonna get drafted specifically for the type of 1202 01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:06,160 role that that we value that. That's what I've been making. 1203 01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:08,640 The argument is that if he does end up being a round three pick, 1204 01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:11,200 it's like so bullish because no. Team is. 1205 01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:16,480 Up No no team is drafting him thinking he's tip Ryman a. 100% 1206 01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:19,160 if he's a fifth round pick, I'm worried 'cause you know, it's 1207 01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:23,600 like he becomes Brevin Jordan pretty pretty easily yeah, it 1208 01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:26,680 there's so much Josh Oliver like these dudes are like, oh, this 1209 01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:28,880 guy's an interesting receiving guy it's like no, it's not 1210 01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:31,760 happening, but with round three capital, that's enough Where 1211 01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:34,280 Oliver. Fucked himself by getting too 1212 01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:36,120 good at blocking once he got to the NFL. 1213 01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:38,040 That's true. Actually. 1214 01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:41,040 We just talked about Isaiah Bond. 1215 01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:43,920 Isaiah Bond is ranked in a pretty similar spot on a lot of 1216 01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:49,880 big boards and is in like an unproductive undersized speed 1217 01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:53,160 receiver. This dude is a massive slot 1218 01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:55,400 receiver who has tight end eligibility and might end up 1219 01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:57,040 going ahead of Bond in the draft. 1220 01:04:57,600 --> 01:04:59,600 I think we're like. Criticism. 1221 01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:01,360 Criminally under excited about him. 1222 01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:06,120 Yeah, OK. And you know who agrees with me? 1223 01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:12,680 Davis from a couple weeks. Ago I know this is my favorite 1224 01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:16,400 thing to to pull up our mock draft here and I was like see if 1225 01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:19,240 I could get pat on the shader Sanders thing, but he he stayed 1226 01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:21,040 consistent. Let's just be honest, I'm just 1227 01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:24,920 I'm always playing to the crowd and like I knew that the Harold 1228 01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:27,120 Fannin and the mock was going to go over really well. 1229 01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,680 I mean, it was going to go. It was going to go over well 1230 01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:33,520 here again, too. If you could, you could pull it 1231 01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:39,680 off all right. Should we flesh out one more 1232 01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:43,040 tier below this and above the vatic Kiss of Death tier? 1233 01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:49,680 Yes. OK, let me add a tier here. 1234 01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:54,160 Shockingly, for as many of these tiers as I have seen on on 1235 01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:57,120 Twitter and over the years, I've never done one of these myself, 1236 01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:59,440 so I'm figuring it. Shout out to whoever created 1237 01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:01,400 this template because they saved me a lot of. 1238 01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:05,040 Time You know what IO Manor IO Manor should probably be in the 1239 01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:11,400 The Dream On tier. He is he gonna the I feel like 1240 01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:16,880 all of these guys have a shot at like some solid round two 1241 01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:20,000 capital in a way he doesn't. I guess that's how. 1242 01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:23,040 I not Harold Fannon, but the Titan premium adjustment. 1243 01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:25,920 But we're kind of judging on a curve for for Titan, Yeah, yes. 1244 01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:30,000 Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm happy to put him in this next one, but. 1245 01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:34,760 I like, I like I am Manor, but I don't think he belongs in this 1246 01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:36,480 tier because of draft capital concerns. 1247 01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:41,640 Like there's no chance that Higgins falls to round 4, but I 1248 01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:46,520 am an OR absolutely could. And that would that would be 1249 01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:49,200 bad. Maybe it wouldn't kill his 1250 01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:51,920 value, but it would not be. You're not considering him over 1251 01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:55,600 Caleb Johnson? Yeah. 1252 01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:58,640 And I mean, I've this, I'm guessing this would end up being 1253 01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:01,680 like the longest tier because now you're just getting into 1254 01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:06,560 super deep running back class. These these other wide receivers 1255 01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:08,840 here. I guess we've pretty much you 1256 01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:12,320 can include what the Mason Taylors and Arroyo's potentially 1257 01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:15,760 in this tier as well. I think those tip down. 1258 01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:17,960 Those guys I feel like tip Rymans to me all. 1259 01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:21,240 Right. I think even if Mason Taylor 1260 01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:26,280 gets round two capital, he's. Almost like him better in best 1261 01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:28,840 ball where I'm like. He did run that gauntlet. 1262 01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:36,240 He did run the gauntlet. Well, yeah, let's see. 1263 01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:38,920 I think that the first guys I would mention are the running 1264 01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:40,320 backs. I think this is where we get 1265 01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:45,760 like our premium dart throw like locked in second round rookie 1266 01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:48,040 pick type guys. You're you're excited to just 1267 01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:53,200 kind of RIP off. Yeah, Sampson, Tooten, Giddens, 1268 01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:56,880 Harvey, those guys are probably the the cream of the crop right 1269 01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:59,960 now. Man, I'm learning what so many 1270 01:07:59,960 --> 01:08:02,280 of these guys look like today. This has been a valuable 1271 01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:05,320 exercise for me because I normally don't know this until 1272 01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:09,080 about week six of the NFL season, so I'm so far ahead of 1273 01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:13,000 schedule. I found too. 1274 01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:16,080 I should have known the the Virginia Tech polo was a pretty 1275 01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:17,439 big giveaway. Yeah, the polos. 1276 01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:19,200 The polos are a nice inclusion. Polos are a. 1277 01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:21,720 Little bit more difficult. Davis Who else? 1278 01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:23,840 You want the. Hair there in the in the top 1279 01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:24,760 who? You want in here, I'm gonna 1280 01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:27,080 we'll start adding them since we agree this is kind of a long 1281 01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:32,080 tier. My my personal biases would have 1282 01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:35,680 Ollie Gordon in this group. Well, I am familiar with what he 1283 01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:37,840 looks like. He's your top left corner. 1284 01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:44,439 So Ollie, Ollie Gordon's interesting in that he, I mean 1285 01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:48,200 his draft, you know, at least his ADP on underdog is like not 1286 01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:50,479 in a same. I guess this is the thing. 1287 01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:53,840 The the range of how these guys are being valued now, at least 1288 01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:57,160 in the redraft market is all over the place, right? 1289 01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:59,840 Like the gap from Tooting to Ollie Gordon is pretty massive. 1290 01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:02,200 No one. No one wants to be brave enough 1291 01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:06,120 to suggest that Ollie Gordon's sophomore season might be more 1292 01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:08,399 indicative of who he is than his junior season. 1293 01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:12,520 Well, Davis, you weren't brave enough to select him over 1294 01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:15,359 Tooting in Sampson or Devin Neil in our rookie job. 1295 01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:19,240 Yeah, Giddens, Giddens and Neil go in this group of for me as 1296 01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:20,359 well. OK. 1297 01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:24,600 Yeah, I'm Lauren. I'm Lauren Gordon. 1298 01:09:25,399 --> 01:09:28,120 I think Gordon might deserve to be in the mat at Kiss of Death. 1299 01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:31,640 Weird. The thing is is I don't even 1300 01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:33,800 actually really like if the dude went to Oklahoma State. 1301 01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:38,520 I hate him so that should be me being unbiased. 1302 01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:43,640 I can't keep on. We're not getting Take whiplash. 1303 01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:46,760 I think he you know you know Corinne, this is the comp to 1304 01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:50,880 make the dude is Braylon Allen where his his his final season 1305 01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:54,520 was his least efficient season, but he has all the he's got the 1306 01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:58,400 body, he's got the tape If you look for the tape and I. 1307 01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:00,440 Don't wanna have to do a treasure hunt for the right tape 1308 01:10:00,440 --> 01:10:02,760 just. Be good. 1309 01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:05,960 Davis is like gatekeeping this, too. 1310 01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:08,680 And, you know, he saw one Twitter highlight that he was 1311 01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:10,440 like, maybe if you watch the tape. 1312 01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:14,560 No, this for for Ollie Gordon. This is not true. 1313 01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:18,480 Ollie Gordon's 2023 it's dude. I mean, we've literally done 1314 01:10:18,480 --> 01:10:19,920 this with Oklahoma State running backs. 1315 01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:23,000 I know Huba Hubbard was like the best running back in college 1316 01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:24,160 football. Then he sucked. 1317 01:10:24,480 --> 01:10:28,400 Then he was good NFL player. Where was he and the beast at? 1318 01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:33,840 Still perusing. Low low like RB16 or something 1319 01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:35,560 like right next to Damian Martinez. 1320 01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:39,040 But RB 16 in this class is not that bad. 1321 01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:42,280 He has an RB14 ahead of Neil actually. 1322 01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:44,920 Yeah. Oh he has. 1323 01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:45,920 Jerk. Was Hunter 11? 1324 01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:47,000 Yeah. All right. 1325 01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:54,400 So I just added Tooten, Giddens, Neil and Samson in here. 1326 01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:57,120 Pat, are there any other wide receivers that should be up here 1327 01:10:57,120 --> 01:11:03,440 with Aya Manor? Trey Harris, probably Jalen 1328 01:11:03,440 --> 01:11:07,320 Knoll. I think those two and and bond. 1329 01:11:07,480 --> 01:11:08,840 Bond should probably be in this tier. 1330 01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:12,880 So I mean this is this is choose your, choose your own. 1331 01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:16,400 Yeah, Yeah. Other guys, I would say Damien, 1332 01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:23,760 Damien Martinez, you could have Ollie Gordon in this tier. 1333 01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:28,680 I thought that you could. You could. 1334 01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:31,120 We won't, but you could. Good. 1335 01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:37,560 I like it. I like it too much having Ollie 1336 01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:42,640 Gordon and LAN Larrison here together as two guys that Davis 1337 01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:44,720 both loves and hates at the same time. 1338 01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:49,200 No, no hate to LAN LAN LAN good, good guy good. 1339 01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:51,800 Guy, please, please tell LAN, will you? 1340 01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:55,160 You do me one favor. And when you record, tell him 1341 01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:57,280 what? Tell him about Dylan Lobby Stout 1342 01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:58,960 Light after he came on the podcast. 1343 01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:02,720 I'm gonna have to tell him the whole sort of history. 1344 01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:04,800 I'm gonna have to tell him about about Pat. 1345 01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:06,200 I'm gonna have to tell him about Brian Hill. 1346 01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:08,880 I'm gonna have to tell him every running back who came on my show 1347 01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:16,120 basically immediately went to 0. Hey, I mean, Laird played out 1348 01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:18,800 his full, his full rookie contract full rookie. 1349 01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:21,000 Contract. That's pretty good, yeah. 1350 01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:25,000 And that's how old I feel the Laird bit was when he was a 1351 01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:27,280 rookie. And we have we're. 1352 01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:30,360 Still here Laird Laird is is 28 and married now. 1353 01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:33,840 Yeah, damn, dude. And we're doing the same old 1354 01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:38,800 bullshit. When we Peter, when, when you 1355 01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:43,800 and I went to New York, I, I was 25 years old. 1356 01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:48,800 Wow, I was AI was a child. Yeah, I don't know what makes me 1357 01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:50,480 feel really old. Right now. 1358 01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:55,400 Yeah, yeah, is what it is. You were a child who was not 1359 01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:59,200 willing to ride the subway, no. Fuck no and I stand by it. 1360 01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:01,760 IA 100%, IA 100%. Stand by it. 1361 01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:08,400 The the only man who will who will brag about his deadlift 1362 01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:11,240 while simultaneously saying he's too scared to ride the subway. 1363 01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:12,760 He. Didn't have his parent, a 1364 01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:18,440 guardian with him. There are more people on a New 1365 01:13:18,440 --> 01:13:20,720 York subway than in the town I grew up in, dude. 1366 01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:27,240 That would be like, yeah, I, I OK, that's easy for me to get my 1367 01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:29,000 head around. Then that's that's that's 1368 01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:35,560 overwhelming dude. Request to put Rashard Smith in 1369 01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:36,880 the the matic kiss of death group. 1370 01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:38,960 Wait, who's this Texas? Oh, Gunter Helm. 1371 01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:40,360 Yeah, I just had to put Gunter Helm. 1372 01:13:40,440 --> 01:13:42,560 In this valid I, I literally killed him. 1373 01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:46,720 I, I burst his ankle. I'd like to I'd like to put 1374 01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:48,440 Brashard Smith in that group as well. 1375 01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:50,440 Crane. Crane might fight back against 1376 01:13:50,440 --> 01:13:53,440 that. My only my only push back would 1377 01:13:53,440 --> 01:13:55,080 be maybe he belongs to choose your own adventure. 1378 01:13:56,240 --> 01:13:59,440 He is just like locked into being a fifth round pick I feel 1379 01:13:59,440 --> 01:14:01,120 like. I like Burchard Smith. 1380 01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:03,240 He's he's this year's Tyrone Tracy, right? 1381 01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:04,840 Like that's that's what we're hoping for. 1382 01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:07,600 I think that include that warrants choose your own 1383 01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:10,040 adventure territory. I think so. 1384 01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:14,720 Yeah. To raise him up a little. 1385 01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:17,360 Bit there might have been a couple other guys you guys 1386 01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:20,160 mentioned here. These are the options. 1387 01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:23,520 Any of these faces deserve to be in this super long. 1388 01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:28,880 Can we put Tez Johnson in the weighs less than a child tier? 1389 01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:38,400 Yeah. How about short short king? 1390 01:14:39,480 --> 01:14:41,360 He's not even poor dude, he's like 5-10. 1391 01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:43,480 You're right, he's not sure. Which one is Tess? 1392 01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:46,680 I mean I should be able to tell. Green the The skinny guy in the 1393 01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:50,080 green Polo, the guy who. How about would would be bullish 1394 01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:53,920 if shorter? Straight up, though, it'd be 1395 01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:56,840 like Restrepo would be bullish if he was faster. 1396 01:14:58,360 --> 01:15:02,880 Tough, It's tough. What are you? 1397 01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:04,360 What are you doing? If you or five, six what? 1398 01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:06,440 Are you doing with with Kyle Williams? 1399 01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:12,680 I I'm on board, he's not in this tier. 1400 01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:16,000 But he's I was going to say he feels like someone that you're 1401 01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:20,360 going to draft with the 212 in your rookie draft and just like 1402 01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:22,840 you're going to be like, oh, I'm never going to start him. 1403 01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:28,560 I think he's more of like like 3-12 like that. 1404 01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:30,480 At least I think that's what you have to pay. 1405 01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:32,760 Maybe I'm wrong, maybe it'd be like mid. 3rd Not if the Chris 1406 01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:37,560 Sims rankings are right. Yeah, I think actually Harmon 1407 01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:39,160 just had a profile on him today. Let me see. 1408 01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:46,080 I believe we have now slotted at least all 24 players from our 1409 01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:49,880 our mock draft a couple weeks. Tyler Tyler Shuck. 1410 01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:52,080 Oh yeah, do we want to put him in? 1411 01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:55,400 Here, bullish if he was not literally older than Joe Burrow. 1412 01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:01,640 Tyler Tyler Shuck is so old that he was Justin Herbert's backup 1413 01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:05,000 at Oregon. Is this is this Shuck here? 1414 01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:12,080 No, that's Will Howard, OK. Which What is Tyler Shuck? 1415 01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:15,200 He might not even be on this. I was gonna say bullish if could 1416 01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:17,080 not rent a car. It would be. 1417 01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:21,960 I I don't think, I don't think Tyler Shuck is in there. 1418 01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:23,920 I believe. OK, yeah. 1419 01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:25,200 He what? He didn't pass. 1420 01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:27,880 My bullish if this site bothers to him. 1421 01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:30,200 Bullish if he was in the tear maker. 1422 01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:38,800 Man, no. And and some people are still 1423 01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:42,240 riding or dying for Tyler shock. They're still just like I've 1424 01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:46,280 seen like this is such a fake sharp film thing the guys will 1425 01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:47,400 do. They'll put you in a non 1426 01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:51,640 falsifiable position where they're like you put on the tape 1427 01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:54,440 and you show me what Tyler Shuck would do that shows that he 1428 01:16:54,440 --> 01:16:57,400 doesn't belong. And it's like, dude, he had 3000 1429 01:16:57,400 --> 01:16:59,200 yards and eight seasons in college. 1430 01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:01,240 How about can I, can we just start from there? 1431 01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:04,480 Why do I expect him to do better than that against professionals? 1432 01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:07,760 I just haven't put on the tape and then just that, right? 1433 01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:14,600 Like this man is 26. Years old this guy right here. 1434 01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:18,040 So this could actually be actionable for people. 1435 01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:20,600 Davis, you said you had a a draft coming up. 1436 01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:25,160 We can now say the kind of the spots you would want to trade up 1437 01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:28,760 into or trade back down to that's kind of the sweet spot. 1438 01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:33,320 So obviously one O 1 is nice and then 3456. 1439 01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:38,680 So like the one O 6 looks like a sweet spot to guarantee you one 1440 01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:45,360 of these five here 789101112 round one round two. 1441 01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:48,920 So the two two, you know, pick you want. 1442 01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:52,320 Team, you want to know a sharp move trading back from like the 1443 01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:55,280 110 to the 2.1? There's just like a 1444 01:17:55,280 --> 01:18:00,080 psychological thing there. And there's like no, as I think 1445 01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:01,680 we demonstrated, there's like no difference. 1446 01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:05,280 Yes. And my guess is like just 1447 01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:08,960 randomly how we put these guys in Chadur and Dart, it's 1448 01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:10,400 probably how this is going to play out, right? 1449 01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:12,800 Because you're going to have one of these dream on round two 1450 01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:14,840 priorities. A couple of these guys like the 1451 01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:19,000 market is going to want to take the starter that now has like a 1452 01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:21,640 clean runway that got drafted with the early round two and be 1453 01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:24,240 like, yeah, Sanders, Dart, someone else can have that 1454 01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:26,160 value. Probably not going to be a 1455 01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:28,640 fantasy impact right away. So like I do think if you're 1456 01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:32,400 trading back to that 2122, you probably are looking at Sanders 1457 01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:34,760 or Dart. Yeah. 1458 01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:37,480 And I also think the way these things go when you're like 1459 01:18:37,480 --> 01:18:40,680 trying to position yourself in the draft, it's never like 1460 01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:43,760 efficient off of off of what way you would have it ranked. 1461 01:18:44,200 --> 01:18:48,520 So you can you can take some risk on and trade back a couple, 1462 01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:50,680 you know, a couple picks pass because there's usually some 1463 01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:54,200 fallers and the fallers start to happen more in the late 1st 1464 01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:56,200 through the the early to mid second. 1465 01:18:56,200 --> 01:19:00,840 Like that's where like 2O3 you might land a guy that you had 1466 01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:03,360 ranked 10th. You know, it can be like that. 1467 01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:07,760 So yeah, I think the middle of the second could be interesting 1468 01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:12,160 to try to catch fallers. I also do think that the the 1469 01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:16,720 kind of early 3rd range is gonna be pretty good because you're 1470 01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:19,840 gonna get, you're gonna scoop guys who you who you feel like 1471 01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:21,840 maybe should have gone off like 6 or 7 picks ago. 1472 01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:25,840 Right Yeah, because then this dream on round two priority tier 1473 01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:30,280 is like 2-3 to 27 and then this the choose your own adventures 1474 01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:32,840 like two O 8 to mid mid threes but. 1475 01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:35,640 I've missed weights less than a child. 1476 01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:37,160 I just saw that was Davis's. That's. 1477 01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:40,720 Good. There are 13. 1478 01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:43,520 There are 13 year olds who are not obese who straight up weigh 1479 01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:48,360 more than Ted Johnson. Derek Henry weighed more than 1480 01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:51,720 Ted Johnson when he was 9. Easy. 1481 01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:57,640 That's that might be true. Ted Johnson was so slow that it 1482 01:19:57,640 --> 01:20:01,160 caused him to like, question the nature of time itself as like a 1483 01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:03,160 concept. He was like, he was like doing 1484 01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:06,240 like ayahuasca tweets about like, what is being fast even 1485 01:20:06,240 --> 01:20:08,520 mean? Because he was so bummed out 1486 01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:10,480 about how the Internet responded to his 40. 1487 01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:17,040 I would really like to see a picture of Derrick Henry at like 1488 01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:21,040 18 or 17 or 16 or some age where he should not have looked the 1489 01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:24,600 way he did and the picture of Tez Johnson that at that same 1490 01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:25,440 age that. Would be. 1491 01:20:25,480 --> 01:20:30,720 How about the what of Andy? Reid at the yes at the cake 1492 01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:32,960 punk, whatever. Yeah, that would be good. 1493 01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:34,440 What is it? I don't. 1494 01:20:34,440 --> 01:20:35,360 I don't know that I know this one. 1495 01:20:35,480 --> 01:20:38,600 You haven't seen that photo? Oh, I I got to pull it up. 1496 01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:42,440 I mean, Pat, this is a classic. What is it K? 1497 01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:46,280 What was the pass it on 13? Oh, I don't think I've seen 13 1498 01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:51,280 year old Reid. Oh, there's a it's, it's here 1499 01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:52,600 you go. It's it's great. 1500 01:20:55,440 --> 01:20:56,960 Yeah. Also it's on the, it's on the 1501 01:20:56,960 --> 01:20:59,440 broadcast all the time. So I don't know how you've never 1502 01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:06,120 seen this. Oh my God, yes, Oh my God, he's 1503 01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:15,320 #22 but Oh my God, dude. You've never seen this bat it 1504 01:21:15,480 --> 01:21:16,320 it. Is all the. 1505 01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:20,480 All the time. Oh my God, that's crazy. 1506 01:21:20,480 --> 01:21:23,200 I mean, I I'm a red zone guy primarily. 1507 01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:25,920 Unless this is what this is what they're not gotten to on Red 1508 01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:28,800 zone. Oh man. 1509 01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:32,040 Man. Man, I was trying to get a 1510 01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:33,400 bigger version here, but yeah, it is. 1511 01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:36,720 It is a special, special footed photo here. 1512 01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:39,400 Look at this, this. Imagine this kid getting ready 1513 01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:41,960 for his crazy. That's crazy. 1514 01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:46,240 What are we doing? What are you doing? 1515 01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:48,920 That's a man. It's like a 35. 1516 01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:51,480 It's like a bull on top selling mustache. 1517 01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:58,400 It's So let's see Andy Reid. I I got to do some. 1518 01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:02,280 I think they said he was 13 here, but I want to confirm this 1519 01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:06,520 was from 71 and yeah, 13 year old Andy Reid. 1520 01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:12,880 Nuts. He's like literally is the exact 1521 01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:15,080 same height as he is today and he's added. 1522 01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:19,600 On so many levels. Good God, look at this kid. 1523 01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:22,240 Part of the That kid looks seven years old, so. 1524 01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:25,320 That's Tess Johnson. That's Tess Johnson. 1525 01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:27,360 Dude. That little known, little known 1526 01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:29,760 fact. That's Tess Johnson. 1527 01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:37,920 He's like 2 times as big as this kid's dad and he's fine. 1528 01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:43,440 Oh my. God, yeah. 1529 01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:48,640 All right, all right, well, that was that was actually a helpful 1530 01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:50,880 exercise. I I will say like thinking it 1531 01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:54,160 through and I mean, I guess this makes sense, but the one O 1 1532 01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:57,560 like in dynasty drafts. That we're seeing with the 13 1533 01:22:57,680 --> 01:23:01,120 year old, yes, right, yeah. That was the 13 year old, 13 1534 01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:04,880 year old 1971. One O 1 is nuts because you get 1535 01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:07,840 Genti, you get the two O 1, which is the end of that tier we 1536 01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:09,560 talked about where you might be able to get the quarterback. 1537 01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:13,480 And then three O 1. You're in the sweet spot of that 1538 01:23:13,480 --> 01:23:18,200 Choose your own adventure. Yeah, yeah, the oh man, that's, 1539 01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:20,640 that's a great. The the thing about this year, 1540 01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:23,640 you know, one of the reasons that Gentie's in that snap 1541 01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:28,440 decline tier, I think is that when you look at like the way I 1542 01:23:28,440 --> 01:23:33,360 tear these guys out, I would say that like gentie's in like a no 1543 01:23:33,360 --> 01:23:36,360 brainer one O 1. Like you don't have to think 1544 01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:39,640 about it tier. The kind of an instant top 12 1545 01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:42,840 startup asset like that. That's what you're getting at 1546 01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:47,200 least top 15 anyway. But I have them ranked 12th and 1547 01:23:47,200 --> 01:23:50,000 then the next guy's like a solid middle of the first round. 1548 01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:54,160 You know, whoever you decide, Hunter would be higher than that 1549 01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:57,000 if he was definitely a receiver. But I think baking in that risk, 1550 01:23:57,040 --> 01:23:59,680 everyone after that is like, there's no guys that I would 1551 01:23:59,680 --> 01:24:03,360 slot in as like solid early first round rookie picks. 1552 01:24:03,440 --> 01:24:06,840 It goes from like the clearest cut 101 type of dude you can 1553 01:24:06,840 --> 01:24:11,640 find to especially for non quarterback to like, yeah, 1554 01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:14,560 totally happy to like Psych to take this guy at the 1:06. 1555 01:24:15,160 --> 01:24:17,120 But there's no there's like no middle. 1556 01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:19,000 And that's why I think if you're trying to trade from one O 2, 1557 01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:22,480 it's like you're starting with the one O 5, trying to get to 1 1558 01:24:22,480 --> 01:24:24,800 O1 if you're trying to go one O 2 to one O 1. 1559 01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:30,000 One O 2 feels feels really gross after doing this exercise. 1560 01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:32,480 It's a. Bad year to have the one O 2. 1561 01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:35,920 Trying to trade the one O 2 as much as as I can. 1562 01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:39,040 Trying to trying to ship it out, trying to get bets. 1563 01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:42,640 I guess you could ride it out and hope and hope Hunter just. 1564 01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:46,600 There are also some like good guys who are pretty gettable 1565 01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:49,760 right now. Like both The Jets guys, Breece 1566 01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:51,960 and Garrett Wilson are like super gettable. 1567 01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:57,200 Like trying to think of like other young guys T might be like 1568 01:24:57,200 --> 01:25:00,440 kind of gettable right now. Like there are some guys who are 1569 01:25:00,440 --> 01:25:03,840 more gettable than their projected points would be, which 1570 01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:06,320 is, you know, kind of interesting. 1571 01:25:07,200 --> 01:25:09,560 You know who you could get right now, Snap, you could get the one 1572 01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:11,800 O 2 and something else you get Kyler Murray. 1573 01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:14,400 People are just like they're done with that. 1574 01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:16,240 They're like Kyler. That guy stinks. 1575 01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:21,120 I would. Take I would take Kyler. 1576 01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:23,360 Over the one O 2. Yeah. 1577 01:25:23,480 --> 01:25:26,000 Because that's I've been kind of the Hampton bull on this 1578 01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:30,760 podcast, but I guess, and I'm Hampton bull in a lot of setups 1579 01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:32,000 because I like him a lot in best ball. 1580 01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:34,000 I think he's underpriced because he's going to get draft in the 1581 01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:36,080 first round, potentially to a really good landing spot. 1582 01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:38,560 And that's he's going to be a lot more expensive after the 1583 01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:42,440 draft. But I don't like I'm not that 1584 01:25:42,440 --> 01:25:45,880 bullish on him from the prospect profile perspective. 1585 01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:49,280 So if you could trade out of the one O 2 for like a like a Kyler 1586 01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:52,760 Murray, like hell yeah. If you could go, if you could 1587 01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:55,640 get like, what would you have to add to the one O 2 to get Drake 1588 01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:57,880 May? Is that possible? 1589 01:25:57,880 --> 01:25:59,880 Depends if I'm dealing with you or a normal. 1590 01:25:59,880 --> 01:26:01,560 Can I get Drake? Can I get more Drake May in my 1591 01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:04,080 life? You could I I was actually just 1592 01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:05,960 writing that up. I was like I so I'm writing up 1593 01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:08,640 like a strategy guide for like what to do and my advice 1594 01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:11,280 literally with the one O 2 to the one O 5 is trade it. 1595 01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:13,480 And I was like going through some names and I was like, you 1596 01:26:13,480 --> 01:26:15,600 know what? You could for sure get Drake, 1597 01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:17,320 May you? Could I? 1598 01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:20,040 Think you should do that? You should do that immediately. 1599 01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:23,400 Getting the one O Drake may set up better. 1600 01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:27,480 We should be more confident that he's good and he's set up to to 1601 01:26:27,480 --> 01:26:31,520 actually produce some this year. Why wouldn't you I I would 1602 01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:33,600 instantly trade the one O 2 for Drake May. 1603 01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:36,400 How much would it cost to get Caleb? 1604 01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:42,280 Caleb the Drafter is probably like. 1605 01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:44,520 They're just doubling. Down they're they're just 1606 01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:47,720 doubling down yeah, they're. Nicks. 1607 01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:52,520 Oh, I mean, Nix there. The guy who took Nix in your 1608 01:26:52,520 --> 01:26:55,880 draft is like, thinks he found a 20 in his old jacket pocket. 1609 01:26:55,920 --> 01:26:58,120 He's like, he's like, dude, take him. 1610 01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:00,840 Take him, please. Yeah. 1611 01:27:01,320 --> 01:27:03,120 Yeah. I mean, maybe you get Nix plus. 1612 01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:04,120 I would. I would take that. 1613 01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:06,600 You know you could get, you know you could get, if you had the 1614 01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:09,960 one O 6, you could get JJ McCarthy and a wide receiver. 1615 01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:14,120 You could get, you could get JJ. You could get JJ McCarthy and 1616 01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:18,120 Brandon Iuke right now for the One O 6. 1617 01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:22,960 The one O 6 I'm almost less inclined to trade 'cause I'm 1618 01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:24,240 like. I'm getting the back at. 1619 01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:27,240 The the end of the tier the one O 2. 1620 01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:29,320 Could I get Herbert for the one O 2? 1621 01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:34,240 Herbert people are their own. I've never been one of these 1622 01:27:34,240 --> 01:27:36,520 people, but they're kind. Of their own people, our own 1623 01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:42,560 thing. You know, you know the I. 1624 01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:44,600 Do I know what you? Mean we all know the Herbert 1625 01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:47,760 people and they're very select group of individuals all right 1626 01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:52,800 Davis where it is or. Points. 1627 01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:56,680 Where is this dynasty article coming out? 1628 01:27:56,680 --> 01:27:59,480 I don't think we've been blessed with Davis Matic written word in 1629 01:27:59,480 --> 01:28:02,360 a long time. Patreon.com slash. 1630 01:28:02,520 --> 01:28:08,080 OK, I didn't know if you were, you know, you'd hit up dlf.com 1631 01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:10,680 and said I got. Yeah, yeah, I'll be, I'll be 1632 01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:14,760 doing, I'll be doing freelance articles on fantasypigskin.com. 1633 01:28:15,240 --> 01:28:25,680 Real rents due you guys. OK, this is I got to talk about 1634 01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:28,040 this Pepper, Tony said just Herbert almost won the Super 1635 01:28:28,040 --> 01:28:29,040 Bowl. Show some respect. 1636 01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:33,080 I had the most Liam fucking moment yesterday of all time. 1637 01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:37,680 We were talking about something and he goes, you know, Keon 1638 01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:40,520 Coleman almost won the Super Bowl, referring to the fact that 1639 01:28:40,520 --> 01:28:44,360 the Bills almost quote, UN quote, won the Super Bowl. 1640 01:28:48,200 --> 01:28:51,520 Wow and. It took What is he talking 1641 01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:52,480 about? What's his case? 1642 01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:56,840 Basically, he was like, Oh well, if the Bills had beat the Chiefs 1643 01:28:56,840 --> 01:28:58,960 in the playoffs, they would have easily won the conference 1644 01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:00,760 championship and then easily won the Super Bowl. 1645 01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:07,720 That's that's diabolical. No, it was it was the most it 1646 01:29:07,720 --> 01:29:10,280 was so good. And it took me a second to 1647 01:29:10,280 --> 01:29:12,720 realize what he was saying. Like I thought he was talking 1648 01:29:12,720 --> 01:29:14,680 about someone else. And then I was like, no, you did 1649 01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:18,520 just mean in your head cannon. The Bills were basically a a 1650 01:29:18,520 --> 01:29:21,240 Dalton Kincaid 4th down catch away from winning the Super 1651 01:29:21,240 --> 01:29:22,440 Bowl. I thought it's that easy. 1652 01:29:24,360 --> 01:29:26,760 It was it was the way Liam sprinkled it in it. 1653 01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:30,000 It was, it was fantastic. Man, so good. 1654 01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:33,880 Pat, what's going on at at Leg Up? 1655 01:29:35,080 --> 01:29:38,360 A couple of articles out this week did the final part of my 1656 01:29:38,360 --> 01:29:41,160 rookie running backs, and then Michael Dugner had an article on 1657 01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:43,960 predicting closing line value of the running back position and 1658 01:29:43,960 --> 01:29:46,320 how he's playing that in his remaining best ball drafts. 1659 01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:51,040 Going to have my wide receiver article or articles out next 1660 01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:53,520 week to finish up the rookie stuff. 1661 01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:57,920 And then, yeah, check out Dynasty rankings, basketball 1662 01:29:57,920 --> 01:29:59,920 rankings all over at legendaryepisode.com. 1663 01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:03,760 Beautiful Davis, what else you got going? 1664 01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:07,360 Streaming Big Board's about full. 1665 01:30:07,360 --> 01:30:13,000 I've got 20 left So so got to get done there. 1666 01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:15,760 Crane, you want to you want to hop on tomorrow morning again? 1667 01:30:16,120 --> 01:30:18,000 I do. OK, there we go. 1668 01:30:19,360 --> 01:30:23,320 View Someone tagged me. Hang on, They might have a 1669 01:30:23,320 --> 01:30:26,200 photo. OK, Yeah. 1670 01:30:28,280 --> 01:30:31,200 You get a share. Frankie Dash sent this to me 1671 01:30:31,200 --> 01:30:32,800 too. It's it's insanely good. 1672 01:30:33,400 --> 01:30:35,640 OK, Yeah. And how do I share this though? 1673 01:30:37,480 --> 01:30:40,880 Just to open it, open it, open it in preview here. 1674 01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:44,280 Do you want me to do it? Yeah, no. 1675 01:30:44,280 --> 01:30:46,600 That'd be really funny if he sent you guys different content. 1676 01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:52,000 It would be, it would be. I, I meant to, I meant to send 1677 01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:53,720 this to Pat earlier. It's very good though. 1678 01:30:54,520 --> 01:30:57,920 He must have made this with AI. Beautiful. 1679 01:30:58,080 --> 01:30:58,520 No. Here's. 1680 01:30:59,080 --> 01:31:00,720 Someone's coping and seeding about it. 1681 01:31:01,720 --> 01:31:07,840 Oh, this is different. So there's there's Henry. 1682 01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:18,320 And here's Ted Tess Johnson again. 1683 01:31:19,120 --> 01:31:21,840 This is Derek Henry. In high school. 1684 01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:23,760 In high school. In high school. 1685 01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:28,960 And at the same age in their respective lives, here is Tess 1686 01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:31,240 Johnson. Beautiful. 1687 01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:33,080 Now are now are you going to share? 1688 01:31:33,080 --> 01:31:36,440 Davis, What do you got? Yes, hold on, let me I will add 1689 01:31:36,440 --> 01:31:41,640 a slide and or PDF. Oh, it's not letting me upload a 1690 01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:44,520 JPG so I'm not going to share next week on Jason. 1691 01:31:45,200 --> 01:31:47,160 OK, we will. People in our discord are 1692 01:31:47,160 --> 01:31:48,480 confused about which one is which. 1693 01:31:48,880 --> 01:31:54,320 Yeah, yeah, All right. Also, apparently I'm in a tears 1694 01:31:54,320 --> 01:31:57,280 mood because I just realized my article for Fantasy Life this 1695 01:31:57,280 --> 01:32:02,720 week, I ranked by tears all of the landing spots in the league 1696 01:32:02,720 --> 01:32:07,360 for running backs, which was kind of an illustrative 1697 01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:11,080 exercise. For one, how good this running 1698 01:32:11,080 --> 01:32:14,440 back class is, But two, like how many good spots there are 1699 01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:17,880 available up for grab? So if you want to keep an eye 1700 01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:22,960 out for that also, I love that Frankie says I didn't send that 1701 01:32:22,960 --> 01:32:27,880 to Pat. He told me he in the DM he said 1702 01:32:27,880 --> 01:32:30,680 he said for you and Corrine so I assumed he sent it to you too. 1703 01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:35,600 All right, we will be back next week. 1704 01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:39,600 We have a guest booked. I would love to get a rain check 1705 01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:41,240 with Danny. I don't know if we're going to 1706 01:32:41,240 --> 01:32:43,440 be able to pull that off schedule wise. 1707 01:32:43,680 --> 01:32:45,320 Maybe we can get him on our draft stream. 1708 01:32:46,040 --> 01:32:49,280 He's not busy, but we're going to have Dwayne McFarlane from 1709 01:32:49,320 --> 01:32:53,360 Fantasy Life next week. Obviously as a supermodel up at 1710 01:32:53,360 --> 01:32:56,520 Fantasy Life has been in the weeds with the prospecting 1711 01:32:56,520 --> 01:32:59,960 there, so we will talk through this class again with him next 1712 01:32:59,960 --> 01:33:01,960 week. Otherwise, the fellows will be 1713 01:33:01,960 --> 01:33:07,560 back for ADP chasing on Tuesday. Really strong show this Tuesday 1714 01:33:08,520 --> 01:33:12,520 if you guys missed it with Jacob broadcasting from Portugal. 1715 01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:16,360 Otherwise, become a YouTube member, join us in the discord, 1716 01:33:16,720 --> 01:33:20,520 Great group of ship chasers in there talking ball at all hours 1717 01:33:20,520 --> 01:33:22,280 of the day. Have a great rest of your 1718 01:33:22,280 --> 01:33:24,040 weekend. We'll see you guys next time on 1719 01:33:24,040 --> 01:33:24,600 ship chasing.