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The date is July 8th and we're 
absolutely starved for NFL news.

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Desperate times call for 
desperate measures. 

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ADP chasing listeners. 
Get ready to learn who Will 

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Mallory is, buddy. 
ADP chasing is for when you 

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watch ship chasing you go these 
guys are just football guys. 

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And the targets for outrun 
leagues, that's going to be 

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really nice. 
Actually back in if it's Asha 

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neck. 
Compared to our crystal ball, 

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close your eyes, you know all 
your entries are going to lose. 

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Anyway, yeah. 
That's fair. 

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This is a Deuce von show. 
It's anti cabal, it's anti the 

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best ball thought leader. 
I'm obviously lying to some 

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degree because like, I have a 
lot of both of these guys. 

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It's the most disgusting thing 
you can make, but. 

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Man, but that's fair. 
Tilting Face really got me this 

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week. 
It's something new. 

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It's something new every time. 
I mean, really, it can't be. 

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It can't be overstated. 
How good? 

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It is for the audio listeners. 
You really got to check out the 

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the animation that goes along 
with it really, really brings 

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the clip together. 
Really impressive work. 

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But yeah, welcome guys. 
As I teased in In the Cold Open,

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we're going to be talking 
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this week. 
Really. 

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Another week of just absolutely 
no NFL news. 

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I think training camps are gonna
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God, God, I hope so. 
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Need it we. 
We, we do need it. 

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I don't think they fully like, I
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until like the very end of the 
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Yeah, I think each team has a 
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I remember correctly, but it's 
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days. 
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Oh yeah, that makes once. 
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That, that's the thing, is we're
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And then once the fire hose 
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It never stops. 
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Feel like we're drowning for the
next six months, so yeah, what 

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you wish for. 
Right, enjoy this time. 

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I know it feels a little slow, 
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Drafting, drafting right now, 
drafting right now does feel 

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insane. 
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the same draft I've done each 
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And you know what? 
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camp starts, it starts feeling 
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swole cast ass mission. 
Like, oh, I got to make sure I 

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get Lucas Kroll in this one. 
You know like like you have to 

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be reacting to things live. 
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But I think I kind of like that 
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What is this, you know, what is 
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maybe won't be offered later? 
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get that, you know, like I did a
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going to try to get the Hertz. 
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board and I was like, I'm going 
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Brown Hertz with Hertz in the 
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And that's that's very fun. 
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draft knowing some of these 
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of you know, those, those stacks
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fourth round quarterbacks is, is
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prioritize. 
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So yeah, we'll get into the 
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pull up any visuals, I think the
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think it's it's been pretty well
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If you listen to fancy podcast, 
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a good year for elite tight end.
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priced down and also maybe a a 
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to late elite tight ends. 
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but guys like David and Joku, 
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the sort of tight end. 
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to not to know that's not true, 
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It always feels kind of true. 
It always feels kind of true. 

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It's never once been true. 
It's never been true. 

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Yeah. 
I mean, we here's the deal, Sam.

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You messed up the title, though.
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Who's this year's Kyron 
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Who's this year's Pukanukuo? 
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Who's this year's Trey McBride 
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I think I pitched that to to 
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He's the one in charge of the 
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He might have been tired of all 
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with, so he switched that one up
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But that was the pitch I gave. 
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we're going to do on today's 
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the elite tight end tier. 
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like the Friar Muth and Joku 
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I am generally leaning towards 
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Joku Bowers grouping this year. 
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So it's still good to have 
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strategy. 
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environment in some ways sets up
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on late tight ends, even if it 
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And I've, you know, I talked 
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breakfast a lot, but it's like 
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We're like, I don't loving the 
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running backs. 
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running backs like Romandre 
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touches, James Conner, you know,
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running back rooms where you 
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say I take 5 running backs. 
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with Pete today. 
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we tacked on Ty Chandler, but 
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Williams. 
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But then the wide receivers, 
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not just priced up at the 
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of these like even like guys 
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are, are very expensive. 
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drafts and it's like, man, I 
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Khalif Raymond again, but like, 
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I do not, I do not, I do not 
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I'd rather take Dawson knocks. 
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to like there should because OK,
I'm, I'm basically, I could take

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Will Shipley or some running 
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it's not that exciting. 
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actually help me get through one
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you know, week 15, week 16, like
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is I bink a touchdown from a 
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Maybe I bink a couple touchdowns
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All of a sudden I I'm through, 
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So like I want to find I want to
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think like even on like Kittle 
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we're done. 
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Kittle Gotter. 
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year. 
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structurally. 
It's just that like, who is that

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guy? 
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but so this visual I've pulled 
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organize depth T tight end depth
charts in terms of ambiguity and

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what really stuck out to me, if 
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far right, I titled this 
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There's basically six teams 
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just not selecting a winner at 
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The Panthers, Broncos, Colts, 
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basically no tight ends are 
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at all. 
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of two O 7 is getting selected 
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So they're if we can like pick 
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right guys that are definitely 
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get into it. 
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So it's really a A-Team by team 
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We'll go through this and try 
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The well I want to start. 
I want to start by taking 

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Umbridge with one of your 
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I know this is not the the 
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Of sure, go ahead. 
It very much is the point of the

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program. 
I I, I I would like to take 

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Umbridge with the idea that the 
Arizona Cardinals do not have an

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exciting backup tip tip. 
Ryman was the third draft, the 

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tight end of this class. 
He was a third round pick, 

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second round pick maybe. 
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receiving guy. 
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that he just ends up being one 
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guys that like was randomly 
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then just blocks for his entire 
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best offense in the NFL kind of 
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And were McBride to be injured 
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and ran A4640I. 
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was grinding tip Ryman film, but
86th overall pick kind of 

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intriguing. 
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about him. 
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him like like Brenton Strange or
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of these second round tight ends
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So I'll be honest, I haven't 
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exciting contingent category 
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Can I interest you in a guy who 
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receiver to tight end on the 
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Is like Jordan Matthews on the 
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Elijah Higgins used to be a wide
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to they converted him to tight 
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So I I never thought I'd be the 
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got, we got to keep this tight, 
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We got a lot of Ryman. 
Ryman was just the starting 

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tight end for the Cardinals. 
We wouldn't draft him. 

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Like Theo Johnson, Ryman is an 
intriguing backup. 

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Yeah, let's let's, let's try to 
keep this on. 

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We're gonna, this is quick. 
Let me get off the rails if we 

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don't write it in here, but 
there are a couple teams. 

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So in terms of ambiguity, this 
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I actually wanted to start with 
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ambiguous in terms of the tight 
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But do you have very late ADP's 
that's on this far left column 

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here, the Dolphins, Patriots, 
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I'll pull up some of the 
advanced stats on those guys 

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here. 
But yeah, starting with Ukraine.

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Do you I guess agree with my 
premise that the depth charts on

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these teams are are pretty clear
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And then if you agree with that,
any of these guys jump out as 

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targets. 
Again, all these guys are going 

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ADP of 175 plus I guess Hunter 
Henry's at 160, but all very 

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late round tight end targets. 
Yeah, I think all of these guys 

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belong here and all of these 
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K Dotton is a little less 
exciting as far as like what 

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he's actually going to do from a
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But like one of the ways to 
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end is to just pay for routes 
and you're getting that with K 

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dot. 
And as far as like searching for

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big breakouts and everything, 
paying for routes has never been

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my favorite way to go. 
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the guys who can actually earn 
targets, But if it's cheap and 

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it's best ball, right, Like I 
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the end zone a few times, 
hopefully at the end of the 

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season and be the clear cut 
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my mind where he's priced like I
have him rated. 86105 is like 

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totally fine for all of these 
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
But I mean like, so Hunter 

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Henry, it won't surprise you to 
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of these guys. 
We're all found another way to 

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do this I. 
Mean, honestly, he is. 

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Because I mean, you, you're 
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on Drake May, which I'm very 
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breakout. 
Whereas Otten, you're kind of 

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almost paying for last year's 
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little bit and hoping that it 
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good, Henry would be going quite
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So I like I like Henry a lot. 
He's my third highest drafted 

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tight end at 15%. 
Noah Fance, my fourth highest 

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drafted guy at 13%. 
I think he's he's pretty strong 

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as far as like we know this guy 
is an athletic receiver. 

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I don't know like how good he is
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ton of targets available, but 
previously he was getting taken 

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off the field like for half the 
routes because they're bringing 

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in blocking guys and that 
probably doesn't happen. 

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I mean that's gone now. 
Hopefully the guys are gone, 

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right? 
This Lee's gone, so it's not 

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like they're literally not 
there. 

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now, which is like an 
acceptable, he's like kind of in

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the 50s before and that's 
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And Jonnu is another guy. 
He's like he's been fun after 

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the catch. 
He's done well in this type of 

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system. 
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guy that I'm I'm very 
comfortable with. 

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Yeah, and I think all like what 
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is, you know, Jonnu, Noah, fan, 
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yards for Outrun, around 18 to 
19% targets for outrun. 

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Like that's pretty good for a 
tight end. 

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It's certainly not elite like 
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Percent plus targets. 
For Outrun, but yeah, like we're

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going to see some really gross 
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through the show today. 
Like if you can get that level 

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of per route efficiency at this 
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understand why Phant and Jonnu 
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I guess with Jonnu, he he hasn't
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blocker through a lot of his 
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Like he's never run more than 
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I guess that's the concern with 
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for the running plays with HN 
and Moser and Smythe works in 

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more than you want. 
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don't think there's a lot of 
routes risk for like any of 

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these other guys. 
They're all pretty good 

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blockers. 
I, I've got a, I've got a route 

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to risk for Otten, which is that
they really didn't have a third 

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wide receiver they liked last 
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So they were doing a lot of they
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they their base personnel like 
always had a tight end in and it

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seems like our boy, the 
Mcmillionaire seems like their 

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So they might just have less 
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And I mean, like we just saw 
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Like what? 
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him and Kokeef? 
If if the if the blocking is is 

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the point. 
I just am not that into Auten 

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because I'm not that into 
Buccaneers stacks that that that

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would be. 
Yeah, I just like the chat just 

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said it. 
Otten played like the most snaps

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of any time in football and had 
the one spike week in the 

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regular season. 
I I think he probably, you're 

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right, is like pretty safe to 
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Is real, real low. 
What I don't think that chat 

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realizes is that like, that's 
not all that common in that a 

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team doing that with Otten is 
likely to do it again. 

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Like it's not like a thing that 
randomly happened. 

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This guy in his second season 
played all the snaps at tight 

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end. 
That's bullish. 

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It just is right now. 
Is he good? 

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No, he's and he's he's not. 
He's especially not good as a 

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receiver, but he's he's trusted,
right? 

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It's kind of the, you talk about
this, you talk about this all 

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the time. 
Tight end development is like 

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not linear guys can be awful 
awful awful and then just like 

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randomly be good for 18 games in
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Row. 
I mean, this one does. 

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Happen. 
We heard Tyler Higbee sucked for

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years, right? 
And and he does, he did kind of 

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suck, but like he was kind of 
OK, especially when he was 

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cheap. 
But like Higbee, people might 

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not remember, but like it was 
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They gave Higbee an extension. 
Everett moved on. 

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And then they just like played, 
they just gave Higbee the full 

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job. 
Like I am interested in that 

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even though I don't think, you 
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it's like at a certain point and
Otten I think is at the point. 

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I think he's very draftable. 
I I'm at like 6% hot and I'm not

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like a huge Otten Bowl, but like
I think he's very draftable. 

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He's not a wasted pick because 
he's a clear cut starter at 

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tight end that that has value. 
Yeah. 

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And and we'll get into these 
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probably talking tight end like 
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committees. 
I feel good about Alton being 

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the start of there. 
So I agree with Ukraine. 

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I think he's definitely 
draftable. 

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Another weird note I'll say in 
Alton is that his best like 

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statistical games of his career 
have all come in the NFL 

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playoffs. 
So I think fantasy managers are 

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not really paying attention to 
it. 

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Last year, two games in the 
playoffs in the wild card round,

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I believe against Philadelphia, 
11 targets, 89 yards, 8 

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receptions. 
Then against the Lions, 8 

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targets, 5 receptions for 65 
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Also had four for 58 on 7 
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against Dallas. 
So again, that's baked into 

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these numbers. 
So the .9 here bakes. 

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In those good games. 
Yeah, but so again, you can't 

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get too excited about it. 
But I do think people are 

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probably forgetting those 
playoff games a little bit with 

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on, which makes him look a 
little better than the regular 

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season stats would show. 
Yeah, but yeah, let's. 

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There's one side that I think 
should be in this list, 

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actually. 
Yeah. 

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What do you think? 
I think Tyler Conklin should be 

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in this list. 
Yeah, we'll we'll get to Conklin

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later. 
I I have an argument for why 

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not, but we'll definitely. 
Yeah, that's a 17 minute segment

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coming up. 
Yeah, OK, great. 

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Yeah, buddy, get ready to learn 
Jeremy Ruckert. 

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All right? 
No. 

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No, I was hoping we would start 
here. 

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Yeah, this gets it. 
So we're now going into this, 

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the completely ambiguous tight 
end depth charts, starting here 

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with Carolina Jatavian. 
Sanders is the favorite by ADP. 

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He's being drafted a little bit 
at an ADP of 213. 

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There's also Tommy Tremble and 
Ian Thomas here. 

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Davis, you, you have any takes 
on the Panthers? 

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Cause the market's basically 
completely ignoring them right 

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now. 
No person cost himself more 

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money at this year's NFL 
scouting combine than Jatavian 

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Sanders. 
Jatavian Sanders, 19 years old, 

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the University of Texas. 
He's playing with first round 

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pick Xavier Worthy. 
He's playing with first round 

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pick Bijan Robinson. 
He's playing with Roshan 

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Johnson, Jonathan Brooks, yadda 
yadda, so on and so forth. 

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He is second on the team in 
receptions. 

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He is second on the team and 
receiving touchdowns. 

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He's 4th on the team in total 
touchdowns overall, ahead of 

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other guys who are NFL players. 
Keelan Robinson, NFL player, 

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Jordan Whittington, NFL player. 
I mean, if he could have just 

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ran a freaking 4-5 dude, I don't
know. 

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I don't know what. 
Maybe he was hurt, maybe I don't

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know what it is, but if that guy
could have just put on a like if

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he could have had an 8.67. 
Ras, he, he would have been a 

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second, right? 
He would have been the 50th 

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overall pick. 
I don't know what. 

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Happened to him. 
Do you wanna? 

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Do you know his vertical off the
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It like 7 inches. 
I mean it's, it's one of I think

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his Ras was like I think his Ras
was like 3. 

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I, I I If I remember correctly, 
I think his. 

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Ras, it's actually 3.53. 
I mean, I, I don't know. 

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I don't know, I don't know what 
it is. 

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I don't know what it is, but I 
it's like if we get to it's week

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9 and Jitavian Sanders is 
running 77% of the routes and 

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him and Adam Thielen are like 
Spider man pointing meme like 

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targets per game. 
I'm not going to be, I'm not 

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going to be surprised. 
I'm really not going to be 

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surprised. 
The thing with Sanders that's 

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difficult is that he wasn't like
that productive, right? 

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And he's kind of it was this 
like promise of like, yeah, he 

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was sort of behind these other 
two stars. 

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And The thing is though, he's 
very athletic and the NF LS 

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really gonna like him. 
And then he wasn't athletic. 

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He wasn't athletic. 
Good round. 

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So like the bull case took a 
huge hit during the draft 

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process and during the draft 
itself and I've just had a 

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really hard time being excited 
after that. 

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I mean, he he peaked with 1.86 
yards per outrun. 

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He's at 1.81 over his career. 
It's not like a huge red flag, 

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but like it it like what is the 
bull case now? 

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Is a third round pick unathletic
and not particularly productive?

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I guess it's like that he's 
young and he once had pedigree, 

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but it it feels kind of Irv 
Smithy to me. 

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Or we're just like, it was 
exciting once, so let's draft 

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him for five years. 
Very, very Irv Smithy. 

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And you said third round, Crane,
I assume you meant you meant day

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three, right, 'cause he was like
a what? 

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Fourth round? 
Fifth round No. 

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I keep, I keep thinking he did 
go in the third round. 

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He didn't. 
Where did he go? 

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Fourth round. 
Fourth round. 

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OK, God. 
All right, Well, I'm over. 

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I'm overstating the draft 
capital in my bear case. 

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Yeah. 
So here here's like that's, 

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that's not great. 
That's really not great. 

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The the only bull case I can 
come up with is here. 

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Here is his competition and 
obviously a tight end more 

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matters than receiving 
efficiency. 

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Blocking and stuff matters a lot
at tight end. 

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So this doesn't like rule these 
guys out. 

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But Tommy Tremble and Ian 
Thomas, they've ran a lot of 

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routes in their NFL careers and 
have just been God awful. 

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These these are these are dog 
shit NFL players. 

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These are like some of the worst
you're gonna. 

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Find Yeah, yeah. 
And we definitely never took Ian

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Thomas in Round 8. 
I'm in a I'm in a, a long term 

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dynasty league that an industry 
guy that I won't name traded 

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AA2024 first at the time in 2021
for Ian Thomas. 

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He was like, I gotta get him, I 
gotta get him. 

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He had hype, man. 
He had that one. 

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He had like four games at the 
back half a season when Greg 

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Olson was leaving and he's 
athletic and we were like the 

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next guy. 
We found him. 

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Yeah, Crane, from your prospect 
research, do you remember 

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anything about Jetavian Sanders 
blocking ability 'cause that 

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strikes me as a big deal. 
If not, it's all good 'cause I 

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do think that the one like bull 
case, I'm not drafting Sanders 

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now, but I will say the the Dave
Canales, you know, the fact that

445
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,840
he was willing to just have Kate
Alton out there for 100% of 

446
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,160
snaps last year does make me 
somewhat interested. 

447
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:40,160
Like if it comes out in the 
preseason that Sanders is the 

448
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,760
starter that that would kind of 
surprise me honestly as a round 

449
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,680
4 rookie, if you earn that. 
But if he did, I don't know. 

450
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,280
I'm I'm just not like he's the 
only guy on my radar as like a 

451
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,960
potential flyer. 
If we get good buzz 'cause these

452
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:58,720
other guys I know Josh Norris 
over at underdog was was hyping 

453
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:00,440
up Tommy tremble. 
Sorry Josh. 

454
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:04,760
I'm I, I just really, I don't 
get what he's seeing with that. 

455
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:09,880
Sanders run blocking grade his 
last year at Texas, 61.5 at PFF.

456
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,840
Which is like no, it's fine. 
Not not enough to be a 

457
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:17,200
specialist, not enough to say 
you gotta take him off the field

458
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,040
for it. 
Yeah, yeah, it's, I would say 

459
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:25,680
it's like a very minor red flag,
but like Sanat was at 67, Bowers

460
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,600
was at 75, which is one reason I
think he's underrated in terms 

461
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,880
of the size and stuff. 
I was hoping that's where this 

462
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:34,120
show would end up. 
Hour 2:00. 

463
00:24:34,120 --> 00:24:37,120
We'd be like, just take Bowers 
and every time you draft, yeah. 

464
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,440
Yeah, I'm getting close to that.
All right, let's let's move on 

465
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,640
to the Broncos. 
I did my research here. 

466
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:46,840
Yeah. 
Do you wanna start with? 

467
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,560
So here there's there's 
basically two guys competing for

468
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:50,600
it. 
I'd say it's down to Greg 

469
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,240
Dulcetch and Lucas Kroll. 
Kroll overtook Adam Troutman at 

470
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,360
the end of last year and is 
getting some hype to start the 

471
00:24:57,360 --> 00:24:59,120
year. 
Huge shocker. 

472
00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:01,680
Greg Dulcich is injured and 
can't get on the field this 

473
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:02,920
preseason. 
Who? 

474
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,200
Who could have seen that one 
coming? 

475
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,400
So Davis, yeah. 
What's your what's your take on 

476
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:09,560
the Broncos tied end situation 
right now? 

477
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,640
Basically neither of them are 
getting drafted for the record. 

478
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:18,600
So Dulcich definitely, they are 
like Sean Payton and these guys 

479
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:22,040
are, are self aware enough to 
know that if Dulcich could get 

480
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,000
on the field, he would help 
them. 

481
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,960
Which is so funny that we're 
doing the show actually 'cause 

482
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,440
this is really one of the only 
things Karine and I've ever 

483
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,400
disagreed about was the the 
Dulcich Alberto year where we 

484
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,080
like going to war and we were 
both wrong in the. 

485
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,160
I was right for one for like 
half a season on Dulcich you. 

486
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,760
Were right for you were right 
for one game where I hit a 40 to

487
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,600
one first touchdown bet on Greg 
Dulcich. 

488
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:48,480
So I'll forgive you in in the 
end, but Dulcich is already 

489
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:53,040
injured and his injury is a bad 
one for a tight end 'cause it's 

490
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:57,400
a foot injury. 
Just like, dude, it's July and 

491
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:01,160
you have a foot injury. 
I I mean, it's not great. 

492
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:05,320
It's not great. 
Now, Kroll, people forget this. 

493
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,960
In fact, I just learned this 
about 90 minutes ago. 

494
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,480
Lucas Kroll is a Saints nepo 
baby the same way that little 

495
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,240
Jordan Humphrey and Adam 
Troutman are. 

496
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,200
He signed in 2022 as an 
undrafted free agent for the 

497
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,880
Saints. 
Spent the entire season on the 

498
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:24,240
practice squad? 
Hang on. 

499
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:25,280
Hang on. 
With Peyton. 

500
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:27,720
Well, Peyton wasn't there in 
2022. 

501
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:35,480
It's still his proxies. 
Yeah, come on, You think that 

502
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,520
it's a do you think that it's an
accident that a guy who played 

503
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,240
zero snaps and was on the Saints
practice squad is on the 

504
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:42,160
Broncos? 
You think that? 

505
00:26:42,360 --> 00:26:45,120
You think that's an accident? 
Like if Kendrick Miller watches 

506
00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:46,800
up with the Broncos, is that 
nepotism? 

507
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,000
No, I think the separation is 
enough now that it wouldn't be, 

508
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,720
but I think I think 2022 would 
be. 

509
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,360
So Lucas I. 
Think Sean Payton was just lazy 

510
00:26:56,360 --> 00:26:59,560
about who he brought in? 
That's what he's just like, he 

511
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,920
just called up. 
Dennis Allen was like, hey, 

512
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,080
that's. 
What I think players I should 

513
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:05,000
pick up? 
Yeah. 

514
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,720
Exactly, I think, I think. 
I think it was just laziness 

515
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,080
more. 
Than that OK all right so he's 

516
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,240
he's a lazy he's a he's a lazy 
roster edition but he. 

517
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:20,000
Step Nepotism. 
So he was in college for from 

518
00:27:20,120 --> 00:27:23,520
2017 to 2021. 
He started out at a junior 

519
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,440
college, went to Florida, didn't
play, went to Pittsburgh, didn't

520
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,920
play, then had 13% dominated 
rating his final season. 

521
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:34,440
I mean, he's the most creative 
player ass tight end of all time

522
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,360
to which is to say I'm not 
really buying this idea that 

523
00:27:38,360 --> 00:27:41,040
he's tearing up training camera.
You know, Peyton had that quote 

524
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,520
where he was like, look at this 
guy, look at you. 

525
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,160
You're going to remember. 
You're going to remember this. 

526
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:47,320
I think the quote was I. 
Think, he said. 

527
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,000
People are going to remember 85,
right? 

528
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:54,000
People are going to remember 85.
I think the plan is probably for

529
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:58,360
him to be the Joker in that 
offense in the same way that 

530
00:27:58,360 --> 00:28:02,520
like Kobe Fleenor was, the was 
the Joker people might have been

531
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:03,240
still going to. 
Plan. 

532
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,240
Not Eric. 
Remember how many Eric's he gave

533
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,240
us last year? 
Eric Sauber. 

534
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:09,880
Eric. 
Tomlinson. 

535
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:10,960
Tomlinson. 
Yes. 

536
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,200
Maybe people will remember. 
Or maybe they'll remember Eric. 

537
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,080
Maybe they'll remember 85 
because he's going to find three

538
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:21,840
more Lucas's to throw out. 
I, I have taken Kroll a couple 

539
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,840
times with Nicks. 
I'll admit it, I'll admit it. 

540
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,680
I have. 
But I, I, I think the move is 

541
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,160
probably just to take dosage and
just be like, I hope I get six 

542
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,520
games out of him. 
I I think that's probably it. 

543
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,840
Well, I guess so just I do want 
to again kind of to the Otten 

544
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,720
thing, and I think this very 
much includes the Panthers. 

545
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,120
But like our baseline 
expectation for some of these 

546
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:50,240
rooms should not be that one of 
these guys emerges as a clear 

547
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,560
cut tight end when an NFL team 
doesn't really have that. 

548
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,320
They're usually very comfortable
rotating like three guys and 

549
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:02,880
they run like 30% of the routes,
40% of the routes, right? 

550
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,680
Like there's like a few guys, 
we've seen this repeatedly over 

551
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,880
the years and it's and it kills 
production like these these 

552
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,760
dudes just are not good enough 
to produce 40%. 

553
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,920
Yeah, who is 2% of the routes 
You, you can't. 

554
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,800
You're running fewer routes than
a running back, you know, at 

555
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,640
that point, like it's just not 
enough, you know. 

556
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,800
And then these target for route 
runs for most of these player it

557
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,400
is in like the 15% range if 
we're lucky. 

558
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:33,240
So I think now there can be big 
hits, but like the baseline 

559
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:37,560
assumption should be that 
there's it's just a a wasteland 

560
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,120
with a lot of like that there's 
several tight end wastelands at 

561
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,000
the end of the season where 
there were where there were no 

562
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,120
right answers. 
Yeah, I agree. 

563
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,080
And I, I do think here, like if 
we get reports that Dulcet is 

564
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,320
healthy and please like just get
him on the practice field at 

565
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,080
some point this offseason. 
If I'm willing to take some last

566
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,520
round Dulsage, I definitely do 
want to see that he's healthy 

567
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,320
first. 
Like I'm not taking him now, but

568
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,520
he was a guy who had a solid 
rookie season. 

569
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,440
I think it's maybe like people 
remember it a little bit more 

570
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,040
fondly than it it actually was 
productive. 

571
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,520
Like 1.3 yards per out run. 
Scored in his first game and 

572
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,800
then went to yeah. 
But he he was used like deep 

573
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,400
down, he had a pretty high a 
dot. 

574
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,160
He was, he was kind of used as a
wide receiver, like more of a 

575
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:19,600
slot receiver than a tie down. 
If I. 

576
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,120
Remember, that's why these guys 
are interesting, because the 

577
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,160
wide receivers on they might 
have the worst wide receiver 

578
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,280
room in the NFL. 
Like it really might be the 

579
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,360
worst. 
That's why I think dulcet like 

580
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,560
if he can get healthy, if he's 
like firmly with the starters 

581
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,200
and the preseason games, I'm 
willing to take some 17th, 18th 

582
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,960
round dulcet. 
These other guys like the Lucas 

583
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,080
crawl hype like I I tweeted 
about it. 

584
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,040
So I'm so I'm guilty of feeding 
into the engagement farming 

585
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,080
there, but I I just. 
Don't you engagement farmed your

586
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:56,480
Co workers dude. 
Yeah, the only only slightly 

587
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,800
positive thing on on him, I'll 
say before we move on, he is a 

588
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,840
Ras freak and was like a former 
baseball prospect. 

589
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:03,880
So again, tight end is super 
weird. 

590
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,680
If like some guy's just gonna 
figure out tight end later in 

591
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,960
his career. 
Like it's not impossible. 

592
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,560
We've seen other weird stories, 
Logan Thomas, Darren Waller, 

593
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,160
etcetera, but I don't know man, 
I'm, I'm not, I'm probably not 

594
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,200
drafting crawl unless 20 rounds.
I'm super desperate. 

595
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:24,800
Yeah, in retrospect, it probably
wasn't ideal that Nathaniel 

596
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,160
Hackett loved Greg Dulcich. 
Yeah, that's that's a big round 

597
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:33,520
black. 
That's a good point. 

598
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,320
That press conference was was 
pretty funny. 

599
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,040
Let's move on here to the Colts.
This is perhaps the most 

600
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:45,760
disgusting rotation drafters are
somewhat confident in Jelani 

601
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,520
Woods at two O 5 ADP. 
I'm, I'm kind of throwing the 

602
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:54,720
challenge flag on that one a 
little bit like, I don't know, 

603
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,640
man, like look. 
How long this is? 

604
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:04,440
They have to expand the chart. 
This is the most Indianapolis 

605
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,760
Colts graphic. 
The thing is you like can't like

606
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,800
all these guys got snaps last 
year besides Jelani, like they 

607
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,760
all got like 30% of the Staffs. 
So I think. 

608
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,360
I played, I think I played 
Drogletree in the Spy on 

609
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,440
DraftKings one week. 
I'm pretty sure I did. 

610
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,880
So this is what you need for 
like you can't touch any of 

611
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,360
these guys right now in in order
to draft one of them. 

612
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,480
This is what you need. 
You need them to cut Moalli Cox,

613
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,280
he I think they can. 
Save like. 

614
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,760
Yeah, they can save like 5 or 8 
million or something by cutting 

615
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,000
him like I think they probably 
will. 

616
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,680
I'm guessing he's just on the 
team now to like see if Jelani 

617
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,280
is healthy enough to play. 
And if Jelani is, they're 

618
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,080
probably going to get get rid of
Moalli Cox. 

619
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:50,520
So if if he gets cut and then we
get reports that like the two 

620
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,760
guys I'm intrigued by here are 
Mallory and Jelani Woods, like 

621
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,320
very, very similar rookie years 
for both of them. 

622
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,120
Jelani's rookie year was was two
years ago. 

623
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,760
He didn't play last year 
effectively, but both of them 

624
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,440
had like intriguing per route 
metrics as rookies on very 

625
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,400
limited routes. 
So I'm on intrigued, intrigued 

626
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,160
by two of these guys, but 
they're definitely on my like 

627
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,120
watch list, not my draft now 
list, if that makes sense. 

628
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,120
I don't. 
I don't have enough. 

629
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:17,560
I would have worked really 
quickly. 

630
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,920
I would have spun up a spider 
man pointing meme with these, 

631
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,280
with these headshots. 
But I was like, that's going to 

632
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,760
take me at least 5 minutes. 
And then the moment, the moment 

633
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,320
is going to be gone past that. 
But yeah, Jelani Woods is just 

634
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:33,800
2425 year old. 
Well, Allie Cox and Will Mallory

635
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,720
and Drogletree are the same 
dude. 

636
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,880
And then I mean, multiple of 
these guys have had two 

637
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,760
touchdown games and not crested 
15 fantasy points. 

638
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,920
Like it's just it is an 
impossibility that any of these 

639
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,520
guys get enough routes to 
matter. 

640
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,840
Well, the continued value on 
these guys, like if there's four

641
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:57,480
injuries. 
You're, you know, the Bruno 

642
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,880
Caboclo line, He's two years 
away from being two years away. 

643
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,040
Like dude, Colin grandson is 2 
injuries away from being two 

644
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:10,040
injuries away. 
I I I can't like complain too 

645
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,760
much of an ADP of two O 5 but 
like what? 

646
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,120
What is the drafter psychology 
of like Jelani Woods getting 

647
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,560
drafted in almost. 
We've got a, we've got a a 

648
00:34:18,679 --> 00:34:22,239
truther in the chat. 
He's big and fast and they said 

649
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:27,320
he he was back on the practice 
field and he was big and fast 

650
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,199
again. 
OK. 

651
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:33,120
He is, I think like of the the 
guys that we've talked about, 

652
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,880
like I'm willing to take Jelani 
Woods, like I'm not really 

653
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,199
taking Dulcich and I'm not 
really taking Sanders. 

654
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,080
I think I have clicked them like
once, but like Woods, I've 

655
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,880
probably clicked five times. 
And the reason is he's 

656
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,040
correlated with Anthony 
Richardson, which is a more 

657
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,760
exciting way to play things from
the quarterback perspective. 

658
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,679
And like he is, I don't know, I 
mean, like I like Dulcich a lot 

659
00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:59,200
better when they were coming out
his prospects, but like he's he 

660
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:03,680
is very big and maybe maybe he 
catches a touchdown, you know, 

661
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,960
he. 
Was a clean 1010 of 10 in 

662
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,320
relative Athletic score too. 
Like a true, true athletic 

663
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,960
freak. 
Yeah, I think I'm most 

664
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,680
interested in Woods if he has a,
I think. 

665
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:19,200
He had a two touchdown game in 
his third career NFL game. 

666
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,280
Right. 
Well, of all the guys we've 

667
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,560
talked like let's say they all 
are going to run 50% of the 

668
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,920
routes this year, Woods is the 
most interesting to me at that. 

669
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,000
Probably take him. 
If you locked me in to 15% of 

670
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,120
the OR 50% of the routes I 
would, I would take him. 

671
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,480
I would take him over like Knox.
Yeah. 

672
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,280
And I think he'll probably be at
six, 5560. 

673
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,880
Yeah, I do think going into last
year, like the plan was for him 

674
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,720
to be the starter. 
He he did come on at the end of 

675
00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:51,840
2022 and again, it was still a 
rotation, but I I believe he led

676
00:35:52,240 --> 00:35:57,560
the Colts rotation in routes 
towards the end of the season in

677
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:01,000
2022. 
But yeah, it's. 

678
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:05,160
I mean, he had a couple 60% snap
games after he came back from 

679
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,240
being injured in week 11 in in 
2022. 

680
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:13,240
Yeah, so I, I agree he's the 
most interesting here again, I. 

681
00:36:13,240 --> 00:36:17,200
Will Hey Sam save this graphic 
for week 10 Ship chasing waiver 

682
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,520
wire bid show? 
We're gonna have to go back. 

683
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:21,880
We're gonna have to go back to 
this one. 

684
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,760
Oh. 
Man, yeah. 

685
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,200
And then this, this thing from 
Athletic I thought was just 

686
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,960
comical too. 
The the roster projection has 

687
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,360
all 5 making the team so so 
great. 

688
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:43,960
I love, love to see that. 
The idea, the idea of all of 

689
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:49,360
these guys just being on this, 
the they're just all they have 

690
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,240
to have a whole bench. 
There's a whole tight end. 

691
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:55,120
Bench, tight end bench. 
You know, they have the, they 

692
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,400
have the, the online unit, the 
cornerbacks are all there 

693
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,240
together. 
And these five, they're just in.

694
00:37:00,240 --> 00:37:02,440
They're just the Spider Man 
being pointed at each other. 

695
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,720
With Jelani Woods and Molly Cox,
they're literally taking up as 

696
00:37:05,720 --> 00:37:08,280
much space on the bench as the 
starting offensive line. 

697
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,960
You have to have one bench just 
for Wiley Cox and Jelani Woods. 

698
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,040
That's that's why MO Alley might
not make the team they can't 

699
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:18,560
afford. 
That they can't afford that. 

700
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,800
I mean, they're, if I'm to be 
serious for one second, maybe 

701
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,840
there's an argument that the 
Colts use a ton of 12 personnel 

702
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:31,800
because they're going to be 
doing this like very ground 

703
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,040
pound, Anthony Richardson, 
Jonathan Taylor thing. 

704
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,720
But even then you can't get to 
enough routes. 

705
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,280
Yeah. 
And I mean and downs is good, 

706
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:41,640
right. 
So you you have the slot 

707
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,640
receiver that you're going to 
want to use a decent amount. 

708
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:48,640
Yeah, although maybe if if they 
keep 5 tight ends, that's not 

709
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,080
great for downs, that's not 
great for. 

710
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:50,960
Downs. 
That's really. 

711
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,040
Not good for Downs. 
And the yeah, the worst part of 

712
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,200
this whole thing is we I don't 
think we've even said like Kylan

713
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,600
Granson's name yet. 
Like he's been the starter of 

714
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,800
the past two years at like. 
Yeah, he's he's the one who 

715
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,640
played all of last year. 
Yeah, but he's just kind of a 

716
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,560
nothing. 
But he has been the guy who they

717
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:08,640
trust to play the most snaps. 
So it's it's just a mess. 

718
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,880
Let's move here to the charges. 
I think this is a team like 

719
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,000
maybe not now, but I think this 
is a team where one of these 

720
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,560
guys could emerge and be a 
pretty interesting target, 

721
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,640
interesting environment. 
The charges where the wide 

722
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,200
receivers are really weak. 
So a tight end could come out 

723
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,560
here and have some decent target
earning. 

724
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:33,440
The market has it in in order 
that I probably would not. 

725
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,120
Hayden Hurst is the most likely 
to be drafted. 

726
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,520
Of these three, Will Disley was 
the one who got paid in free 

727
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,280
agency. 
He's the better run blocker. 

728
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,240
If you look at PFF run block 
grade from last year, Hayden 

729
00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:50,600
Hurst was dead last 96 of 96. 
Like with a score way below the 

730
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:54,320
person who was in 95th. 
Will Disley was third of 96. 

731
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,080
So just kind of reading the tea 
leaves of what the Chargers want

732
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,000
to do on offense, they're going 
to want a tight end in there 

733
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,800
that can run block. 
Hayden Hurst also zero million 

734
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,720
guaranteed. 
Had some pretty scary injuries 

735
00:39:05,720 --> 00:39:09,000
last year. 
Will Disley Will Disley got 10 

736
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,480
million guaranteed. 
Hayden Hurst as the receiving 

737
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:15,240
tight end on this roster with 
1.1 yards per out run is it's 

738
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,280
perfect. 
It's 0 million guaranteed is 

739
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,560
also good work. 
How, how much fast do you have 

740
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:22,800
on you right now? 
Zero Million. 

741
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:29,840
They didn't even give him the JK
JK Dobbins 50K memorial tryout. 

742
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,200
They they gave him literally 0 
so. 

743
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,040
Insane. 
Yeah, I don't know, I I've been 

744
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,360
drafting some disley like that 
could be really dumb, but I 

745
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,600
think I've. 
Taken Disley on DraftKings like 

746
00:39:41,240 --> 00:39:44,360
you're, it's like a play action 
touchdown, right? 

747
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,560
You're just like, give me that 
play action touchdown on Disley 

748
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:47,960
'cause he's he's the guy out 
there. 

749
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,560
Run blocking. 
It seems plausible. 

750
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,560
You know, I know he's probably 
running half the routes and no 

751
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:57,880
more, but Hearst, I mean, coming
off the concussion that he 

752
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,440
seemed to be considering 
retirement, Purim seems like one

753
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,440
of those guys where it's like. 
He's a gimmick player, The. 

754
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,760
Gimmick player from a different 
regime always scares me. 

755
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:16,920
Yeah, So Disley is like a 
literal lineman, like he's a a 

756
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:25,400
converted converted lineman. 
But Hearst is like the I think 

757
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:29,400
the tight end here could like 
pretty easily catch 55 passes if

758
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,480
because I have there are huge 
question marks about all the 

759
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,720
wide receivers, right? 
Like literally every Charger is 

760
00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:36,440
wide receiver. 
You're like Ken. 

761
00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:39,080
I mean, Mcconkey played like 9 
snaps in college. 

762
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,800
How good is he? 
Palmer is like kind of miscast 

763
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,560
as a #1 Quentin Johnson might be
the worst wide receiver in the 

764
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:49,320
NFL, but DJ Shark, I think we've
said plenty about DJ Shark on 

765
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,520
this program. 
Brendan Rice, I, I tried to make

766
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,520
a bowl case that it was 
aggressively good that he was 

767
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:59,000
drafted in the seventh round 
instead of a UDFA on this show 

768
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,440
last week. 
Like, it's a really bad wide 

769
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,920
receiver room. 
I think sadly, though, we 

770
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,720
probably land where we landed 
with the Colts, which is Parham 

771
00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:09,280
plays in the red zone. 
So that takes out some of those 

772
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,440
really important targets. 
But he never gets I mean, 

773
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,080
Parham's just not going to get 
enough following to be relevant 

774
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,280
for fantasy. 
Hearst is like weird injury 

775
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,160
stuff. 
Zero million guaranteed. 

776
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,240
These are some tight ends that 
will Disley makes more money 

777
00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:29,280
then Dejuan Johnson, Gerald 
Everett, all the rookie guys. 

778
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:35,200
More than Johnny Smith, more 
than Troutman, more than yeah, 

779
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,760
more than Gassicki, more than 
more than the aforementioned 

780
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,480
Jelani Woods. 
Like like it. 

781
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:44,160
They paid him a lot, but sadly 
they they paid him to block. 

782
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,680
I don't know, I I take her stand
Disley a little bit. 

783
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,880
Yeah, yeah, they definitely paid
him to block, but again, like 

784
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,320
his receiving stats, I'm not 
going to tell you they're great,

785
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,880
but career 1.4 yards for outrun 
is not like abysmal. 

786
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,000
Like we've talked through a lot 
of guys that are sub one K dot 

787
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,080
in the sub one. 
I think there's a decent chance 

788
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,880
that Will Disley is like, I 
wouldn't say it's a median 

789
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,360
outcome, but a decent chance 
he's like 75% routes this 

790
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:09,600
season. 
If, you know, if they don't 

791
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,880
trust Hertz in the run blocking 
and he's just their base in line

792
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,120
tight end, like that could just 
be a route accumulation role. 

793
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:21,440
So yeah, he's kind of a Herbert 
Stacks only guy for me, but I 

794
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,440
don't think he's like, he's at 
least like guaranteed to make 

795
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,920
the team and be out there enough
to catch a touchdown, right? 

796
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:32,080
I mean if if Hurst is injured 
though, I don't I don't see what

797
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:37,200
would stop this Lee from 67% of.
The round Hearst has also been 

798
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,040
like really bad the past couple 
years. 

799
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:44,320
Like his career stats look OK 
here, but that's really buoyed 

800
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,320
by his early season Baltimore 
days. 

801
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,560
Like let me let me pull it up. 
I was looking into this, but 

802
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,760
it's been really ugly the past 
couple years for Hearst and 

803
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,400
yeah, the PFF grade of dead lass
and run blocking. 

804
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,480
That's not something that's 
gonna inspire confidence in John

805
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,480
Harbaugh. 
Yeah, I mean, he's been asked, 

806
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,320
he's like it's sort of the B 
Austin Hooper role that he's 

807
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,440
been given a couple times and he
wasn't he, he fell below B 

808
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,320
Austin Hooper. 
You know, they had the the fact 

809
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,880
the Falcons asked him to do that
and then he could he got clear 

810
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,720
runway on the Panthers last 
year. 

811
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,920
Didn't happen so. 
Yeah, no target competition last

812
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,600
year in the Panthers, 13% 
targets for outrun, 0.8 yards 

813
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,000
for outrun. 
Like he he was paid to be the 

814
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,960
starter there. 
Like he he just straight up lost

815
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,520
the job because of how bad he. 
Was and we've seen, you know, to

816
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,560
the to the Conklin point, you 
know, that we'll get to later, 

817
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:36,720
but like we've seen guys emerge.
Conklin came got on our radar 

818
00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:42,640
because or Smith was kind of 
Hayden hursty, you know, and so 

819
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,720
Disley the route. 
It's never exciting. 

820
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,600
The exciting thing is to find a 
guy who looks like Donald Parham

821
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,680
and hope that he gets 80% of the
routes, because that's that 

822
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,560
would be amazing. 
But that rarely happens. 

823
00:43:55,240 --> 00:44:00,040
What more likely happens is good
run blocker makes his way to 

824
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,880
more routes, which is kind of 
what Jake Ferguson was last 

825
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:04,120
year. 
He's a better receiver than 

826
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,760
Disley by decent amount, but 
like that's how Tyler Conklin 

827
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,280
became. 
Relevant the Ferguson argument. 

828
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,280
The chat is really missing the 
point. 

829
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:16,280
It's like, yeah, 97% of the guys
we mentioned on this show are 

830
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,400
going to be the worst players 
you could possibly have on your 

831
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,760
roster. 
But like, Jake Ferguson was a 

832
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,680
huge win rate guy last year. 
Like, he was massive, yeah. 

833
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:31,400
Yeah. 
Oh chat easy in chat makes a 

834
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,600
great point. 
Someone's got to acknowledge 

835
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:37,000
that the the Greg Roman is a is 
a big tight end coach and he 

836
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,880
drafted hers. 
And much like Neppo baby JK 

837
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:41,720
Dobbins wanted to bring him 
along. 

838
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,040
Yeah, and just like didn't 
Gregory Allman use Hearst as the

839
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,920
backup tight end in Baltimore? 
'Cause they also they also 

840
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,560
drafted a guy by the name of 
Marc Andrews in the same draft. 

841
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,560
Yeah, what's what's like the 
bullish, I don't know, I don't 

842
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:57,400
remember Hearst Baltimore days 
being that exciting. 

843
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,400
I guess they were passable, but.
You know how in movies like 

844
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,000
there's like when they do 
flashbacks, there's like kind of

845
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,080
like a film over the camera, 
It's a little fuzzy and 

846
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,360
everything. 
Is that just how Roman lives his

847
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,800
whole life? 
Like what he's got JK Dobbins, 

848
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:11,720
Hayden Hearst? 
Like what? 

849
00:45:11,720 --> 00:45:14,800
What year is he imagining these 
guys from? 

850
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:17,480
I I don't know. 
It doesn't do a lot for me like.

851
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:21,600
Yeah, 0 guaranteed man like. 
He's a, he's an FoB. 

852
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:24,000
It's kind of the way I take 
that. 

853
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:30,160
Yeah, and this quote from this 
was from Daniel Popper, I 

854
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,160
believe is the athletic guy in 
the Chargers. 

855
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,480
He had Disley and Hearst as the 
top two tight ends of the depth 

856
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,920
chart. 
So yeah, we, I don't think we 

857
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,200
were seriously considering Param
here. 

858
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,560
But for anyone drafting him, I I
think it if you're taking shots 

859
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,440
here, I think it should be hers.
Could you pull up the? 

860
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,600
The blurpy did very similar to 
this on the the backfield. 

861
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:50,760
Yeah. 
Can we get a Kamani Vidal? 

862
00:45:51,720 --> 00:45:53,320
Yeah. 
Anything he did do that and he 

863
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,560
basically predicted Vidal didn't
exist. 

864
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:56,600
So sick. 
Sick. 

865
00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:59,680
We love that. 
That's exactly what we want. 

866
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:04,480
I love I love a guy who you 
cannot find a Google News 

867
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,600
results on. 
Skyrocketing and ADP, That's 

868
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,880
always my favorite thing. 
It's when every day I have to 

869
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,760
take a guy earlier and he 
doesn't exist on the Internet. 

870
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:17,720
Yeah, God, I'm still doing it 
though. 

871
00:46:17,720 --> 00:46:18,960
I'm still taking. 
Him, I know I'm still taking 

872
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:24,480
him. 
The the chat is primed for this.

873
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,160
You better have good notes on 
Rams tight end because they 

874
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,040
cannot wait to talk about Colby 
Parkinson, Sam. 

875
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:34,280
Yeah, this one, I, I think this 
one is maybe the best one on the

876
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:40,040
list in terms of my interest 
because Sean McVeigh has always 

877
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,800
just had a clear starting tight 
end that's been out there for 

878
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,440
basically all the routes. 
Maybe that's a Tyler Higbee 

879
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:47,640
step. 
I don't think Higbee's 

880
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,280
particularly good. 
I think he just likes having one

881
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:51,800
guy. 
You know, he likes the workhorse

882
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,240
running back. 
He likes having a wide receiver 

883
00:46:54,240 --> 00:46:56,120
and throughout receiver sets 
that can always be out there 

884
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,520
blocking. 
He likes his guys and likes to 

885
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,200
play them a lot. 
So identifying the tight end 

886
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:07,120
here I think is big. 
And yeah, like as to why we're 

887
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:11,960
ruling out Higbee, he had a 
CLMCL surgery in mid to late 

888
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,280
February. 
That means like best case 

889
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:19,640
scenario, he's back by week 12. 
I think there's also scenarios 

890
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:23,280
where he misses the whole 
season, maybe even sort of like 

891
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:27,920
a cut and injury settlement type
of situation situation for Tyler

892
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,440
Higbee. 
So I think the guys we should be

893
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:34,320
interested in are Colby 
Parkinson and Davis Allen. 

894
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,520
Yeah, starting with you, Davis, 
you, you got takes on sort of 

895
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:42,040
Parkinson versus Allen. 
If you're taking shots here, who

896
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,000
who you would be taking? 
Parkinson would be a good 

897
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,400
example of who could be a Jake 
Ferguson. 

898
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,960
You know, just a guy who 
basically is barely played, 

899
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:55,120
seems to be a good run blocker, 
but there's not a ton in his 

900
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,800
way. 
Colby Parkinson is the 14th 

901
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,520
highest paid tight end in the 
NFL. 

902
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:04,480
More than Phant, more than 
Conklin, more than Higbee, more 

903
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:08,240
than basically every other 
veteran who has signed a 

904
00:48:08,240 --> 00:48:12,120
contract extension other than 
the the very the very obvious 

905
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,800
guys. 
He was like a finish receiver. 

906
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:19,560
I mean, he did have 1200 
receiving yards in college, 

907
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:23,520
which is for a tight end can be 
a lot more than Davis Allen. 

908
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,320
Allen like kind of flashed a 
little bit playing last year, 

909
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:31,160
but it basically just seems like
McVeigh and Sneed wanted 

910
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:35,240
Parkinson, so I think he's gonna
get the chance to play. 

911
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:40,800
Yeah, and he's apparently looks 
good in camp, but I guess I 

912
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:46,200
would just push back on the idea
that McVeigh wants like a clear 

913
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,960
cut starter he split. 
I think he cares about tight 

914
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,320
end. 
Yeah, and he he split Higbee 

915
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,600
with Everett for a while. 
I mean, this was a team that for

916
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,840
years ran a committee at tight 
end. 

917
00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:01,280
There's also Hunter Long, who 
returned to practice a few weeks

918
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,720
ago. 
He's recovering from a from MCL 

919
00:49:03,720 --> 00:49:06,240
surgery. 
And then Jordan Rodrigue noted 

920
00:49:06,240 --> 00:49:09,800
that this is in one of the final
reports from mini camp. 

921
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:14,360
I think that he, Davis, Allen 
and Parkinson were all extremely

922
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,280
active with both Stafford and 
backup Jimmy Garoppolo. 

923
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:22,520
So there's a role for a tight 
end here, but this would 

924
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,760
actually be one of the ones that
I think has the highest chances 

925
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,520
of being a committee, just kind 
of a gross no one emerges 

926
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:29,160
committee. 
And one of the reasons I feel 

927
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:33,400
that way is that Higbee will 
return by the end of the season,

928
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:38,760
most likely. 
And so I might not even have a 

929
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,760
guy who's doing anything by the 
end of the year. 

930
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:46,160
Like, is this like if I knew the
Vikings starting tight end in 

931
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:49,200
the meantime, wouldn't? 
And who is that, by the way? 

932
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,280
Is that Tanya? 
Probably pass sketching Tony and

933
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,560
blocking Oliver I'm. 
Getting Oliver, you want to talk

934
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,120
about you want to talk about 
guys who are getting paid. 

935
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,080
Josh Oliver, 14th highest paid 
tight end in the NFL. 

936
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,560
I mean that that honestly feels 
just as fertile ground to me. 

937
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:06,800
Like I, I don't and it's, and 
it's, it's a, it's a, it's a 

938
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:07,960
wasteland. 
It's stones. 

939
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:11,600
I'm not interested in it. 
But it's just like this does not

940
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,920
seem like where a breakout tight
end will come from, partly 

941
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,280
because unless Higbee gets 
caught, if, if there's an injury

942
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,600
settlement, I'll change my tune.
But and. 

943
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,600
How many targets, how many 
targets are even there for like 

944
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:29,360
a blocking tight end on the Rams
roster anyway? 

945
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,560
Like I'm thinking back to like 
the Higbee explosion games. 

946
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:36,080
That was when they had one 
really good wide receiver to be 

947
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,840
targeted. 
Now, I mean are are 60% of the 

948
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:43,320
Rams throws are going to go to 
two guys you're you're looking 

949
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:47,480
at, you're looking at a very, 
very small slice of a pie for. 

950
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,400
A tight end yeah, I will say 
Higbee has had multiple like 

951
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,440
pretty high target earnings 
seasons. 

952
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:59,400
He has a 24% targets per route 
run in 2022, a 30% targets per 

953
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,160
route run in 2019. 
That was on just like 300 

954
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,080
routes, but still that's 
insanely high. 

955
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:07,920
So yeah, you probably would need
an injury to one of the top two 

956
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,640
wide receivers for something 
like that to happen. 

957
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:15,120
Or you know, maybe Kuper cough 
does hit the age Cliff, but. 

958
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:20,000
I also think like the the thing 
with tight end hurts us here. 

959
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,880
We're like, Higbee knows the 
assignment, right? 

960
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,160
And he's not he's not 
particularly athletic to begin 

961
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:27,760
with. 
So like, what is the bar for him

962
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:29,200
getting? 
What is the bar for us drafting 

963
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,560
him higher than it? 
It's gonna be like we we 

964
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,080
shouldn't be drafting Higbee, 
but what's the bar for him 

965
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,600
coming back and playing a bunch 
of snaps by the end of the 

966
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,040
season? 
Not that high. 

967
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,520
You know, he's got it. 
How much movement is required of

968
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:46,960
him to block guys and then 
pretend to block a guy and 

969
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:51,400
squiggle out five yards like 
he's gonna, he's gonna be able 

970
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,240
to return physically. 
Now maybe they decide it's time 

971
00:51:54,240 --> 00:51:57,600
to move on, but I don't know. 
I I think by the end of the 

972
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,880
season. 
Yeah, I I wouldn't, I get your 

973
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,280
pushback and you're definitely 
souring me on Parkinson. 

974
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,200
I'll I'll just say like I 
wouldn't have that much 

975
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,800
certainties returning like this 
is still a multi ligament ACL 

976
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:13,840
tear, like a late late February 
surgery timeline like that week 

977
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,760
12 is like best case. 
But if it's, you know, you know,

978
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:20,560
for an older guy, if it takes a 
bit longer, I think that it's 

979
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:21,920
certainly. 
Like it's a risk factor that I 

980
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,800
don't appreciate given how like,
in the bed already is. 

981
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,240
Like, I don't know, I it's just 
yeah, it's a lot. 

982
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:30,680
Poor lay, not really that 
interested in. 

983
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:32,560
Again, I have no interest in 
Higbee. 

984
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:37,120
Yeah, and Davis Allen, we 
haven't really talked about him.

985
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,880
I will say he was just like 
mildly interesting in like one 

986
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,960
or two games last year, put up 
some numbers in a spot start for

987
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:46,360
Higbee. 
So yeah, I, I think you've sold 

988
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:47,840
me Korean. 
I, I kind of was completely 

989
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:49,960
ruling out Higbee. 
It is a good point that he 

990
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,400
probably will be back in the 
most important weeks. 

991
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:56,640
That definitely puts a damper. 
On and Allen has been involved 

992
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:00,120
in in OT as a mini camp. 
Like I don't think Allen is like

993
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:01,880
this. 
My guess is that this is some 

994
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:05,920
kind of split and then it's 
potentially a three-way muddled 

995
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:07,720
mess by the time Habee gets 
back. 

996
00:53:07,720 --> 00:53:09,520
So that's the other part of it 
too, is like, I don't think it's

997
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,960
as clean as Parkinson's, the 
starting tight end for most of 

998
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:13,000
the year. 
I think Parkinson's an 

999
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:17,440
intriguing athletic guy who's 
never done anything though and 

1000
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,120
is new to the team. 
And Allen has filled in this 

1001
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:23,920
role, you know, functionally and
might actually be the starter. 

1002
00:53:24,240 --> 00:53:30,120
So you might be drafting like 
Will Mallory. 

1003
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,760
You might be drafting Colby 
Parkinson last year on Seattle, 

1004
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,000
yeah. 
You might be drafting Colby 

1005
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,520
Parkinson. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1006
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,760
Yeah, I just, I think I think 
these guys are dogs to matter 

1007
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:47,320
for the fact that we're even 
debating them competing against 

1008
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,400
each other. 
Like Easy does make the point 

1009
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,520
that McVeigh doesn't like to 
rotate mid drive. 

1010
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:55,600
Like we've seen like Royce 
Freeman scoring touchdowns 

1011
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:58,120
because he just happened to be 
on for a drive that went well or

1012
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,560
whatever. 
But you're still talking about 

1013
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:04,680
like pretty unlikely to finish 
in the top ten in tight end 

1014
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:06,960
scoring even with like a couple 
good spikes. 

1015
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:11,360
Yeah, yeah, I'd say my 
submission is like I'm still 

1016
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,160
willing to take. 
I'm probably going to wait more 

1017
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,200
to see if there's like a clear 
starter that comes out. 

1018
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,880
I'm still willing to take one of
these guys in Stafford stacks, 

1019
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:23,520
even with the Higbee factor, 
just 'cause, I don't know, 31 

1020
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:26,600
year old coming back from multi 
ligament knee surgery. 

1021
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:30,400
I don't think it's like that big
of a much of A lock that he 

1022
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,680
plays like at all this year or 
has a really lot. 

1023
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,680
I agree it's a factor to. 
This is one of the things that 

1024
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:41,560
like so Ferguson, you know, I 
wasn't super into, I don't think

1025
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:44,040
this time last year, but maybe 
by this time I was starting to 

1026
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:47,920
get intrigued. 
But the news on him was pretty 

1027
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,000
bullish. 
Like Schoonmacher never made 

1028
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:53,920
noise and it was like Ferguson. 
Ferguson had had been really 

1029
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,520
involved as a run blocker. 
Even when Schultz was there. 

1030
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,280
He was used on the play action 
stuff a lot and then it was just

1031
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,680
a drum beat of like, Yup, looks 
like Ferguson's taking this job.

1032
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:05,640
If we get that kind of out of 
training camp, like Yup, it 

1033
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:10,640
looks like Parkinson's the guy. 
Then I, you know, especially if 

1034
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:14,920
it's accompanied by like bearish
stuff on Higbee, then I'm 

1035
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,880
definitely open to the idea of 
taking Parkinson. 

1036
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,640
I just, it just feels like kind 
of one of those like super 

1037
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:22,320
muddled running back depth 
charts right now. 

1038
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,360
It's like, I just, why not just 
spend the pick on something else

1039
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:28,480
and keep Parkinson more on kind 
of the watch list? 

1040
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:32,560
There's there's no chance that 
we're doing drafts on August 

1041
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:36,200
20th and you're like not wanting
to take Colby Parkinson around 

1042
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:37,720
14. 
He's just not going to be that 

1043
00:55:37,720 --> 00:55:42,720
big of a riser, right? 
Let's talk here, Giants, This is

1044
00:55:42,720 --> 00:55:45,440
the last like completely 
ambiguous depth chart. 

1045
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:49,320
And I think of these six teams, 
maybe the one that is talked 

1046
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,920
about the least, obviously 
Darren Waller retired. 

1047
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:58,120
That left Theo Johnson, a day 
three rookie from Penn State, 

1048
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:02,920
Daniel Bellinger and Lawrence 
Cager as the top three guys on 

1049
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:04,760
the Giants tight end depth 
chart. 

1050
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:09,480
You look at Bellinger and Cager,
Bellinger sort of has a a full 

1051
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:13,000
season of routes through two NFL
seasons. 

1052
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:16,640
He's been, again, 11% targets 
for route run. 

1053
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:20,360
When you're competing for 
targets with Darius Slaton, 

1054
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:25,600
Isaiah Hodgins, these type of 
guys, that's pretty, pretty bad 

1055
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:30,280
for Bellinger. 
So yeah, for me, like I would 

1056
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,800
take stabs on Johnson. 
If we get good hype, I want the 

1057
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:37,200
mystery box over the guy who's 
been pretty bad and hasn't 

1058
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:39,200
earned that big of A roll 
through two seasons, but 

1059
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,240
certainly not enough confidence 
that he's going to be the guy to

1060
00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:48,880
draft him now. 
Yeah, Johnson pretty much every 

1061
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:52,400
season gives me a a tight end 
that sort of tilts me with how 

1062
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:58,160
much people get excited about 
the Ras score because other 

1063
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:01,840
things matter too. 
And Johnson is kind of that guy 

1064
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:07,480
for me this year where he had 
the 9.99 Ras, but he's not a 

1065
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:11,520
very good blocker. 
And so that's, and the other 

1066
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:13,520
thing that's funny is that 
Bellinger was really. 

1067
00:57:13,720 --> 00:57:16,280
That's I was I was wondering if 
you were going to say that 

1068
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:20,320
Bellinger 9.66 rafts. 
It's not it's not it's it's not 

1069
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:24,120
like, oh, there's one, there's 
there's two Hayden Hurst with 

1070
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:28,000
the with the OR there's two 
Tavian Sanders and then then a 

1071
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:31,880
guy who's crazy. 
No, Bellinger is also an insane 

1072
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:34,240
athlete. 
Also, Theo Johnson, for all his 

1073
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,240
gifts, could not do shit at Penn
State. 

1074
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,960
I mean, just did not generate 
receptions. 

1075
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:43,760
I guess he did get to 34 
receptions as a 21 year old 

1076
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:47,160
senior that was tied for second 
on the team. 

1077
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,960
So I guess, I guess maybe I'm 
being a little bit unfair in the

1078
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:53,000
context of what a Big Ten 
offense offers. 

1079
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:58,760
I mean, this is this is your 
most clear as day split, though.

1080
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:03,040
It's just not not one is going 
to play a ton more than the 

1081
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:05,080
other. 
And Lawrence Cager, by the way, 

1082
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:10,240
this is this is for, this is for
Sam converted wide receiver 

1083
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:14,400
buddy, he was, he was, he was a 
wide receiver at you want to 

1084
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,640
talk about pedigree, a receiver 
at Miami and at Georgia. 

1085
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:22,720
Yeah, the the closest comp for 
me when I did Johnson's stuff 

1086
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:26,480
was Zach Koontz, another really 
athletic guy who has done 

1087
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,240
absolutely nothing, you know, 
through one year. 

1088
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:32,600
But like we're going to talk 
about other Jets side ends. 

1089
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,040
I don't even know if he'll get 
mentioned like these super 

1090
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:37,760
athletic guys who didn't have 
much production or efficiency. 

1091
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:41,080
And he had a peak of 1.58 yards 
per out run, a career mark of 

1092
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:46,920
1.22 in college, in college, 
Like we're looking for guys to 

1093
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:50,040
be even a tight end, like around
2 yards per out run. 

1094
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:53,800
You know, this is he just 
wasn't, he just wasn't 

1095
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:59,280
productive or efficient really. 
16% yardage share was his peak. 

1096
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:04,560
He didn't really score that many
touchdowns, 16% career touchdown

1097
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:06,760
share. 
So it just wasn't really much 

1098
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:10,880
production. 
Like you want athleticism. 

1099
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,480
Athleticism is really important,
but it's kind of like it gets 

1100
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:15,840
you in the door. 
And then I still would like to 

1101
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,240
see if there's anything else to 
the profile. 

1102
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:20,480
And in this case, there, there 
isn't really. 

1103
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:28,160
And so as uninspiring as 
Bellinger is, he he has earned 

1104
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:33,960
snaps at the NFL level. 
And that's, that's something, 

1105
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:36,280
you know. 
That's I've got I've got some 

1106
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:39,880
some cold water to throw on the 
idea that he would even play a 

1107
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:43,920
lot of snaps. 
They also in free agency signed 

1108
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:49,960
Jack Stoll and Chris Manhurtz, 
who are like the goats like real

1109
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:53,800
like like stolen Manhurtz are 
like really good blockers like 

1110
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:56,520
top five PFF in run and pass 
block grade. 

1111
00:59:56,800 --> 01:00:01,000
So even playing 85% of the snaps
like assume Theo Johnson doesn't

1112
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:02,960
exist. 
He still might not get those 

1113
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,360
snaps. 
Yeah, no, I I don't think any of

1114
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:07,880
these got to me. 
I'm not really that interested. 

1115
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:10,840
Theo Johnson I sprinkle in like 
a tiny bit because of the 

1116
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:15,600
mystery box element, but like 
most likely he's running 25% of 

1117
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:20,200
the routes this year. 
Yeah, yeah, I think so. 

1118
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:22,960
Here's maybe a somewhat 
realistic scenario. 

1119
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:26,960
Say we get to week 3 of pre 
season, we get the you know the 

1120
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:30,480
snaps from Nathan Janky and Theo
Johnson's playing. 

1121
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:32,640
It's almost Yankee season, dude.
It's. 

1122
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:33,800
Almost. 
We're almost there. 

1123
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:34,600
I'm. 
Excited. 

1124
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:36,760
I miss it. 
Say by the way the Jarkson's 

1125
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:38,960
playing. 
This is the Dark Dark show. 

1126
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:40,480
Feels like I'm watching the 
road. 

1127
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:42,920
This is probably This is the 
darkest. 

1128
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:46,200
This is the darkest edition of 
ADP chasing ever. 

1129
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:50,360
No, these, I mean, I think I was
probably the first person to 

1130
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:53,400
Google like some of these things
I was Googling to pull up like 

1131
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:55,200
Lawrence Cager, college stats 
Lawrence. 

1132
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:58,200
Cager College Stats. 
No one I googled that in in 

1133
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:02,040
years, potentially ever. 
Did Duke? 

1134
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:05,320
Did Google suggest? 
Did you mean things to do in 

1135
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:08,960
your area? 
Where to touch grass? 

1136
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:14,640
I played. 
I played Lawrence Cager in a 

1137
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:18,080
Thanksgiving DFS late once. 
Yeah, I mean, he's a wide 

1138
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:19,720
receiver. 
Like I looked up his, I tried to

1139
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:23,120
look up his PFF run blocking 
grade and he played like so few 

1140
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:26,080
run blocking snaps. 
He's like, yeah, he's he's not a

1141
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:29,640
tight end, but OK, Sacram back 
to live with that. 

1142
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:33,360
Say, say Theo Johnson's playing 
half the snaps, running half the

1143
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:35,360
routes with the starters in the 
preseason. 

1144
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:37,680
Is that enough to get you 
interested? 

1145
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:41,480
Say you know he's starting 
already in a 5050 committee, 

1146
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:45,120
maybe he grows to the full time 
starter by end of the season is 

1147
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:47,000
because I think that's the type 
of information we'll have to go 

1148
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:48,480
off of. 
Would that be enough to get you 

1149
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:50,240
interested? 
It would be a. 

1150
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:51,880
Little. 
Bit it would be I'm not like 

1151
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:56,040
taking a full zero a tight end 
and I'm getting this really, 

1152
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:59,520
really athletic guy who was, you
know, if you're going to make 

1153
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:03,600
the bull case on him, it's that 
he was used on a lot of deep 

1154
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:08,360
targets where like at least 
downfield targets, 42% of his 

1155
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:11,640
career production came on 
targets 10 to 19 yards down 

1156
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:13,680
field. 
Another 23% on 20 plus yard 

1157
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:18,640
targets he had. 
He had 4% of his career targets 

1158
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:23,160
behind the line of scrimmage, 
only 4% and a lot of his yak 

1159
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:25,880
came down fields as opposed to 
behind the line of scrimmage. 

1160
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:29,040
He was not schemed for is the 
point here. 

1161
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:32,320
And some tight ends either 
scheme for and it's like it's 

1162
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,680
actually kind of a red flag 
because you're like, you know, I

1163
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:38,520
don't like Jaheim Bell, right? 
Like, I, I don't know if that's 

1164
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:41,000
going to happen for you at the 
NFL level, Jaheim. 

1165
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:44,680
Bell not getting mentioned for 
62 minutes in this show. 

1166
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:48,280
I mean what a huge upset. 
What a guess. 1st 20 minutes for

1167
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:50,920
sure. 
But you know, Johnson's like 

1168
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:53,200
that. 
He was just kind of a downfield 

1169
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:56,960
receiver at tight end. 
It it gives like a little bit of

1170
01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:00,520
upside of like maybe a team more
interested in featuring him. 

1171
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:02,240
He would actually be kind of 
fun. 

1172
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:04,080
And it doesn't the bar is low at
tight end. 

1173
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:07,280
Like if it if they want to get 
him a couple targets a game, 

1174
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:10,280
like all of a sudden, like, OK, 
you know, like a couple screens 

1175
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:13,680
to this guy sounds incredible. 
You know, a little can go a long

1176
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:16,680
way. 
So yeah, I I do think we want 

1177
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:19,920
to, these are kind of especially
Johnson, kind of prime watch 

1178
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:22,160
list for the preseason. 
Watch list definitely want to 

1179
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:24,840
see he's like somewhat involved 
with the starters in the 

1180
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:28,320
preseason. 
Yeah, just pointing out here. 

1181
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:32,840
Theo Johnson 9.99 Ras. 
I also want to say like how how 

1182
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:36,360
is every tight end like a 9.8 
Ras and above. 

1183
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:39,720
Like I trust Kent Lee Platt. 
I know he does good work, but. 

1184
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:44,040
It's it's the weight multiplier.
I think, I think these guys will

1185
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:47,600
figure it out, but I think the 
weight multiplier is off based 

1186
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:49,680
on how these guys are able to 
train now. 

1187
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:53,120
Like I just think the average 
260 LB college football player 

1188
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:56,640
can just move so much better 
than they could 10 years ago. 

1189
01:03:56,640 --> 01:04:01,800
So like 10 years ago just 
Atavian Sanders have like a 0.3 

1190
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:06,360
rasp. 
Chatavian Sanders shows up to 

1191
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:08,720
your local Planet Fitness and 
just looks like it just blends 

1192
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:18,520
in. 
Does not set off the lunk alarm.

1193
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:22,400
Chatavian Sanders comes in, 
curls the 15 pounders, gets on 

1194
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,760
the treadmill, walks for 20 
minutes and goes home. 

1195
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:28,240
Oh God I love this skull. 
I don't know if this is supposed

1196
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:29,760
to go on the private chat from 
Davis. 

1197
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:31,160
Sam. 
We have 10 teams like. 

1198
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:36,200
No, no, no, some guy said. 
So basically at this point if 

1199
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:39,920
you say a guy named Sam said 
better to go solo tied in and I 

1200
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:42,480
said we're getting there. 
We got league winners left 

1201
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:44,840
there, there. 
This whole screen is full of 

1202
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:47,560
guys I like to take. 
Yeah, so let's start with the 

1203
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:49,320
Bengals here. 
This one is interesting. 

1204
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:53,640
The market's presuming Mike 
Gusicky is the starter here. 

1205
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:58,200
He has an ADP of two O 6. 
They signed both Drew Sample and

1206
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:01,440
Tanner Hudson, I guess resigned 
both of those guys. 

1207
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:05,080
Both of them worked into the 
rotation last year that 

1208
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:09,280
Cincinnati had Drew Sample more 
of a blocking guy, Tanner Hudson

1209
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:12,840
almost purely a receiving tight 
end, but he's kind of a bit 

1210
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:15,520
older. 
Sort of a weird profile there. 

1211
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:21,640
And then Eric all is like maybe 
the the moon shot upside guy in 

1212
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:25,840
this room. 
Per JJ Zachariessen has tight 

1213
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:30,640
end stuff in his prospect guide.
He said that Eric Gall had 

1214
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:33,600
arguably the best or sorry, 
arguably the second best 

1215
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:36,000
production profile in the class 
behind Bowers. 

1216
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:39,200
Kind of a weird profile because 
he was injured in college so 

1217
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:41,840
didn't play a ton of games, but 
on a per game and per route 

1218
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:46,800
basis was quite good. 
So yeah, that's the state of the

1219
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:49,400
Bengals side and competition. 
Pretty tough one to figure out. 

1220
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:53,960
You missed the guy who might be 
my favorite clique of them all. 

1221
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:55,600
He's not. 
He didn't, he didn't even make 

1222
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:57,920
the graphic. 
I, I got this one. 

1223
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:00,040
You guys are not going to like 
the thing I'm about to say. 

1224
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:03,160
You guys are not going to 
believe Tanner McLaughlin. 

1225
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:06,760
Fifth round pick, sixth round 
pick, actually out of Arizona 

1226
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:10,040
University. 
He finished his career with more

1227
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:13,440
receptions at Arizona than Rob 
Gronkowski. 

1228
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:15,920
Broke the school record for 
receptions by a tight end where 

1229
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:23,360
Rob Gronkowski went to college. 
Ran a 4.6140 at six, six, 245 

1230
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:27,200
lbs. 
I'm, I'm with Davis on this one.

1231
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:30,680
I, I don't think so. 
Like I thought Tana McLaughlin 

1232
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:35,080
was a better prospect than Eric 
all ahead of the draft and even 

1233
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:37,440
after the draft. 
I think it's like kind of close.

1234
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:42,640
And the, the thing with the 
thing with tight ends is that 

1235
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:45,840
when you're like doing models 
and stuff, draft capital matters

1236
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:47,760
less than at the other 
positions. 

1237
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:52,280
And I think that's partly 
because like the teams aren't 

1238
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:54,160
necessarily been looking for the
same stuff. 

1239
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:57,360
You know, it's like, let's let's
waste a second round pick on a 

1240
01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:02,200
blocking scoonlocker. 
You know, let's do like let you 

1241
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:03,880
know. 
I I'm not that interested in 

1242
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:06,160
kind of like an OK, big 
receiver. 

1243
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:09,240
It you know, we can we can take 
him in the sixth round or 

1244
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:12,480
whatever, but he might actually 
be a better receiver than Eric 

1245
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:15,560
all ultimately. 
So I don't know. 

1246
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:20,000
It's not that I want to take 
McLaughlin, but he was he was 

1247
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:25,040
kind of intriguing to me as a 
prospect and all, you know, kind

1248
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:26,880
of at the level or a bit above 
of all. 

1249
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:31,040
So it's another situation where 
I'm like, I don't feel at at all

1250
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:35,720
confident that I have the right 
guy when I drafted her call. 

1251
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:39,800
This this is worse. 
This is actually worse than the 

1252
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:41,960
Colts room because it's. 
Just one of these. 

1253
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:46,040
Well, if one of them existed, I 
could like really sell myself on

1254
01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:48,720
Tanner Hudson. 
I could really sell myself on 

1255
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:50,760
McLaughlin. 
I could really sell myself on 

1256
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:52,600
air. 
Oh, he went to Iowa. 

1257
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:54,760
He's a great blocker. 
He's going to be on the field. 

1258
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:57,640
But the fact that they're all 
there and they made sure to 

1259
01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:02,640
retain Tanner Hudson, who I 
believe for like 6 weeks at the 

1260
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:04,960
end of actually, I don't 
believe, I know when Matan 

1261
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:08,200
Hudson was playing last year, he
was leading tight ends in 

1262
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:11,760
targets per route run for like 
six weeks of the season last 

1263
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:14,120
year. 
It it, it's just annoying. 

1264
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:16,920
This is insanely annoying. 
And like Sam, you put in our 

1265
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:19,319
chat yesterday like, oh, all we 
have to do is bet against 

1266
01:08:19,319 --> 01:08:22,120
Kasicki. 
Yeah, that's not really true. 

1267
01:08:22,399 --> 01:08:25,240
But it's it's if it was true, it
would be sick. 

1268
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:28,520
It would be like if the if the 
depth chart, if they just ran 

1269
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:32,200
back the depth chart from last 
year, Kasicki Hudson sample. 

1270
01:08:32,399 --> 01:08:35,279
I'd be like, dude, we should be 
taking Tanner Hudson, But it's 

1271
01:08:35,279 --> 01:08:38,880
just it's a mess now. 
Yeah, I, I guess I think I'm 

1272
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:41,760
just like more anti Gassicki 
than pro any of these guys. 

1273
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:46,000
Like Gassicki's been really bad 
in back-to-back seasons and he 

1274
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:48,760
again, he's like in the Hayden 
Hurst mold of like a guy who 

1275
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:51,240
can't run block at all. 
Like he's purely a wide 

1276
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:54,720
receiver, which maybe sounds 
exciting, but I actually think 

1277
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:57,200
on this Bengals depth chart, 
like their wide receivers are 

1278
01:08:57,200 --> 01:09:00,520
pretty solid. 
I think both Yoshi Bosh and 

1279
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:04,080
Jermaine Burton would definitely
play ahead of Mike Gassicki, 

1280
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:06,760
like for slot snaps. 
So we actually want the true 

1281
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:10,120
tight end here. 
And yeah, Mike Kasicki got less 

1282
01:09:10,399 --> 01:09:12,760
money guaranteed than Drew 
Sample did. 

1283
01:09:13,319 --> 01:09:15,560
They both were signed this year.
So I don't know. 

1284
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:17,279
I'm just, I'm not really seeing 
it with Kasicki. 

1285
01:09:17,279 --> 01:09:20,240
Like terrible per route metrics 
and you like can't block at all.

1286
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:21,960
Like, what am I? 
What am I getting? 

1287
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:25,319
But when he's when he's in the 
slot, he's going to be split off

1288
01:09:25,319 --> 01:09:27,319
the line as essentially a fourth
receiver. 

1289
01:09:27,319 --> 01:09:31,399
He's not literally going to be 
like you're saying it's like a 

1290
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:34,240
four wide set. 
It's essentially A4 wide set. 

1291
01:09:34,279 --> 01:09:37,840
I mean, slot snaps are very like
it just means he's not in line. 

1292
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:42,479
He can be like just two steps 
back and he's in the slot or 

1293
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:45,840
over slightly. 
He's in the slot like he's he's 

1294
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:50,240
gonna be detached from the line 
and Joe Burr's out of the 

1295
01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:52,600
shotgun, right? 
And they've got, I mean, 

1296
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:55,360
frankly, they don't have like a 
true Tyler Boyd slot receiver 

1297
01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:57,640
anymore. 
Some of that would go to 

1298
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:00,040
Gazicky, I think, if he's out 
there. 

1299
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:01,240
The question is if he's out 
there. 

1300
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:03,160
I don't know. 
I've actually taken some 

1301
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:04,240
Gazicky. 
I've bet. 

1302
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:06,240
I've bet against this guy his 
entire career. 

1303
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:09,960
I'm not generally a fan of the 
he's the big soft receiver. 

1304
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:12,080
So it's another one. 
It's another one we argued 

1305
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:14,000
about. 
I was big on Gazicky the Chan 

1306
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:18,440
Gael year and boy was I wrong. 
Yeah, I, I was not, I just 

1307
01:10:18,440 --> 01:10:20,120
never, he's never been that 
good. 

1308
01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:23,560
But he, he was functional for a 
couple years. 

1309
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:26,960
He had 1.6 yards per hour and I 
think in the year that I was out

1310
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:30,720
on him, and then one point, 
which was OK, but he didn't do 

1311
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:33,840
that much, and then he had 1.45 
yards per outrun. 

1312
01:10:34,440 --> 01:10:36,880
Then he got franchise tags which
was weird, remember? 

1313
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:39,960
It was so weird. 
So that, you know, they thought 

1314
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:42,440
something of them. 
But then he has 0.99 yards per 

1315
01:10:42,440 --> 01:10:45,280
outrun, ends up on the Patriots 
horrible 0.72. 

1316
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:46,920
But he's a backup to Hunter 
Henry. 

1317
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:50,480
So like, you know, it's kind of 
like the Jonnu Smith thing where

1318
01:10:50,480 --> 01:10:53,600
like the last couple years 
aren't maybe not reflective of 

1319
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:56,160
what the role's going to be. 
So I don't know. 

1320
01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:58,680
I'm actually like a little 
intrigued by Gassicki is like 

1321
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:01,800
that pure receiver who's 
completely for free 'cause he's 

1322
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:05,600
attached to Joe Burrow and some 
of that like underneath dump off

1323
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:08,000
stuff is available. 
It's a good bet against Burton, 

1324
01:11:08,440 --> 01:11:11,000
who I'm betting on. 
I I'm all over. 

1325
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:14,400
Being like a true downfield guy 
with not a ton of nuance to his 

1326
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:15,920
game. 
I guess I just questioned that 

1327
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:19,080
Mike Gassicki is like the 
underneath dump off guy. 

1328
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:23,600
Like his clear ADA is like 
closer to 10 or 11. 

1329
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:26,720
Like he kind of has the wide 
receiver like deeper A dot so. 

1330
01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:29,800
Yeah, that's fair. 
I I get what you're saying, but 

1331
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:32,240
I don't know man, the the money 
on this one scares me. 

1332
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:34,720
Like you look at the other tight
ends getting paid like these 

1333
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:37,520
absolute bombs are getting like 
10 million guaranteed. 

1334
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:41,680
Will Disley Colby Parkinson you 
you know you're getting paid 

1335
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:46,440
less than Drew's sample like. 
Dude, Tanner Hudson got targeted

1336
01:11:46,480 --> 01:11:51,880
a lot last year. 
He got targeted 50 times on 276 

1337
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:56,480
snaps. 
This is so this is one like we 

1338
01:11:56,480 --> 01:11:59,640
talk about the watch list like 
this is one where I would be 

1339
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:03,320
hitting it hard if we have any 
concrete information that one 

1340
01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:05,600
guy is the starter. 
Yeah, save, save this. 

1341
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:08,000
Save this graphic for Week 3 
Ship Chasing. 

1342
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:13,640
Save, save, save this for 
August, you know, round 15 FFPC.

1343
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:18,120
Let's take this to that's I want
to be in on this. 

1344
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:22,360
To me, if there's a Ferguson, it
would be the clear cut starter 

1345
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:25,920
like and remember, Ferguson 
didn't run like 80% of the 

1346
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:28,880
routes in week one last year. 
It took him a little bit of 

1347
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:30,160
time. 
I think he was more in the 60 

1348
01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:33,800
something percent range and then
he consolidated routes as the 

1349
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:35,360
season went on. 
But he was involved around the 

1350
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:37,800
red zone from the beginning, 
which is partly why, you know, 

1351
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:42,640
he was a But I think we could, 
we could end up with something. 

1352
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:46,120
So like if Tanner Hudson starts 
out as like, you know, a decent 

1353
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:48,440
starter and emerges over the 
course of the year, he could be 

1354
01:12:48,440 --> 01:12:50,720
a huge it doesn't matter to me 
who it is. 

1355
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:53,720
Drew Sample, Tanner Hudson, 
please someone do this 'cause it

1356
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:56,400
would be a smash. 
It would be an absolute smash. 

1357
01:12:56,440 --> 01:12:59,640
Like, yeah, I think there's 
targets, there's there's 8 yard 

1358
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:02,760
targets available on the top. 
My fear is it's gonna be a lot 

1359
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:06,040
like last year where it was kind
of a three man rotation like 

1360
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:10,240
samples, kind of the inline 
blocker guy, Tanner Hudson, pure

1361
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:14,280
pass catcher, Irv Smith. 
Maybe Mike is sick in the Irv 

1362
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:16,680
Smith Esk roll. 
Probably, you know, hopefully a 

1363
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:19,400
little bit bigger of a role. 
I should add, by the way, Eric 

1364
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:21,560
All might not play at all this 
year. 

1365
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:26,000
He's got he had a herniated 
back, He had a he had a back 

1366
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:28,960
injury. 
So that would be an easy way for

1367
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:31,920
them to be like, Oh well, we'll 
just red shirt him and play 

1368
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:34,560
McLaughlin and see what see what
happens. 

1369
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:38,320
Yeah, I don't love that they 
also drafted McLaughlin though, 

1370
01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:41,640
'cause I just want, yeah, I want
someone to consolidate this and 

1371
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:43,640
maybe it doesn't happen anyway. 
I could see this being kind of 

1372
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:47,320
like a worse version of the 
Chargers the last few years 

1373
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:49,680
where like maybe someone's in 
Everett but way. 

1374
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:52,560
More throws, you know. 650 
throws available. 

1375
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:56,200
That's true, yeah. 
McLaughlin also drafted in the 

1376
01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:58,120
CFL draft. 
So you got to, you're sweating 

1377
01:13:58,120 --> 01:13:59,600
that. 
You got to make sure he got to 

1378
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:02,560
make sure he doesn't go to the 
Saskatchewan Roughriders. 

1379
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:07,920
He's also 25 years old. 
McLaughlin has a rookie. 

1380
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:09,800
That's tight ends. 
Tight ends are just so weird. 

1381
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:12,120
It's like I can't even. 
Yeah, it's just such a weird 

1382
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:13,920
position. 
Yeah, I mean, he'll never be 

1383
01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:17,160
like a star, but I do you you 
keep the light on for any. 

1384
01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:20,480
It's like, hey, I've managed to 
run like 70% of the routes on 

1385
01:14:20,480 --> 01:14:22,720
this team. 
I'm like, great, you're 33, I 

1386
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:25,560
don't care. 
You know, yeah, that's true. 

1387
01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:30,520
Packers here, this one. 
I I think there's a guy here 

1388
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:33,040
with some upside, Luke Musgrave,
second round pick. 

1389
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:35,320
Obviously the market's 
reflecting that to some extent. 

1390
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:38,600
He's going 150, so a bit earlier
than the other names we're 

1391
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:42,360
talking through today. 
Tucker Craft going at ADP of 

1392
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:45,800
214. 
Here are their stats from last 

1393
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:48,960
year. 
Tucker Craft did kind of emerge 

1394
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:53,040
towards the end of the season 
after Musgrave got injured and 

1395
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:57,520
was trusted as the starter in 
the play offs after Musgrave has

1396
01:14:57,520 --> 01:14:59,160
been had been back for a couple 
weeks. 

1397
01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:02,280
You look at their per route 
stuff though and Musgrave to me 

1398
01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:05,560
looks a lot more interesting. 
Higher target per route run, 

1399
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:07,520
higher yards per out run, higher
a dot. 

1400
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:11,280
I think if one of these guys is 
like a receiving weapon, it's 

1401
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:14,280
Musgrave and Tucker Craft is 
just like the competent blocker 

1402
01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:17,640
who can catch dump offs and be 
fine. 

1403
01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:21,800
So yeah, I I haven't been 
drafting Musgrave much, but his 

1404
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:24,280
rookie year was a little bit 
better than I expected. 

1405
01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:28,600
Like these are pretty solid 
numbers for a rookie start with 

1406
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:29,920
Ukraine. 
How are how are you playing this

1407
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:33,600
Packers tight end situation? 
So I didn't realize Musgrave 

1408
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:36,880
looks exactly like the actor who
played Larry Bird in Showtime. 

1409
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:44,720
Yeah, that's an interesting. 
The Musgrave was not someone I 

1410
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:47,160
was drafting a ton of early 
'cause I'm like, man, I'm 

1411
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:51,440
getting a guy who could get that
other rookie they drafted last 

1412
01:15:51,440 --> 01:15:54,760
year. 
But I've been drafting him a 

1413
01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:58,040
decent amount more recently. 
I'm up to 9% on him. 

1414
01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:03,200
I think he's a pretty good pick.
Kraft Tour is pectoral and there

1415
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:06,480
hasn't that hasn't been like 
super widely publicized, I 

1416
01:16:06,480 --> 01:16:08,920
think, but he could end up 
missing. 

1417
01:16:09,040 --> 01:16:11,200
It's like, oh, he's gonna be 
back for training camp, but like

1418
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:15,080
the beginning of training camp, 
you know, like how much how much

1419
01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:17,560
offseason work is Kraft gonna 
even get in? 

1420
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:23,200
And when you have something like
like if Musgrave, I think 

1421
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:24,880
Musgrave, it's now kind of up to
him. 

1422
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:27,600
Like if he's good enough to 
consolidate this role and be the

1423
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:30,680
starter, I think he can do it. 
Like I think he would just like 

1424
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:34,120
will be the starter and tight 
ends generally. 

1425
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:36,960
Like sometimes we see like with 
AK dot and like if a dude is 

1426
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:41,520
functionally doing the job, he's
just left to do his work 

1427
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:44,120
sometimes. 
And and Musgrave I think is 

1428
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:47,720
probably good enough to if given
the opportunity to just be a 

1429
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:52,280
clear cut starter, he can do it 
and and the pectoral injury 

1430
01:16:52,280 --> 01:16:55,080
potentially gave him. 
Yeah, and other people have 

1431
01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:57,480
pointed this out. 
There was just a couple like 

1432
01:16:57,480 --> 01:17:00,920
boneheaded Musgrave plays last 
year that prevented him from 

1433
01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:03,360
having much better stat lines in
a couple games. 

1434
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:07,200
A couple times where he was like
wide open deep and didn't keep 

1435
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:10,040
running on a Jordan Love pass, 
like could have been a wide open

1436
01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:12,080
touchdown. 
A couple other things where I 

1437
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:16,680
think it was just sort of rookie
sort of stumbling blocks that 

1438
01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:18,360
that stopped him from having a 
better season. 

1439
01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:21,560
But yeah, I think, yeah, I'm 
with Ukraine. 

1440
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:23,720
I wasn't, I was kind of like 
ignoring him early. 

1441
01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:26,480
But now with Kraft's injury and 
sort of looking back at his 

1442
01:17:26,480 --> 01:17:29,760
rookie season, I think it was a 
little bit more exciting than I 

1443
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:32,400
was giving him credit for. 
Also high draft capital like he 

1444
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:35,120
was what like 40th pick in the 
NFL draft or something like 

1445
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:38,040
that. 
Yeah, he got in a decent rookie 

1446
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:42,080
season, You know, like, I don't 
think he's gonna be awesome, but

1447
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:47,400
I I think he's as bad as it gets
late as we've kind of gone 

1448
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:49,960
through. 
Like he's, I mean, what's the 

1449
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:53,160
difference between him and Cole 
Commet? 

1450
01:17:53,440 --> 01:17:55,960
You know, like what's what's 
Cole Commet's ADP relative to 

1451
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:59,640
him? 
He's like a commet's like a 

1452
01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:03,920
little bit ahead, but the the 
thing that makes Musgrave like, 

1453
01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:07,200
oh man, I I would really like to
I would really like to click 

1454
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:09,080
him. 
I'm in on the Packers, I'm in on

1455
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:11,280
Jordan Love. 
I'm in really kind of on 

1456
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:14,560
everyone but Dobbs, although 
maybe I need to start taking 

1457
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:18,800
some some more Dobbs. 
But you could have the ultimate 

1458
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:21,080
run bad, which is like 
Musgrave's pretty good. 

1459
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:25,560
He's kind of like the tight end,
9 scores some touchdowns like is

1460
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:28,840
is running down the field. 
And then Kraft is like fully 

1461
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:31,600
healthy from this torn pack. 
And then you have a 50% round 

1462
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:33,840
chair guy and it's like, wow, 
great. 

1463
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:35,000
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1464
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:36,080
And he goes right next to the 
command. 

1465
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:38,240
So that's a bad example. 
But Schultz would maybe be the 

1466
01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:39,960
guy of like, what's the 
difference, the name of Schultz?

1467
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:42,840
But I guess the difference is 
Schultz doesn't have Tucker 

1468
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:44,480
Craft potentially coming back by
the end of the year. 

1469
01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:49,280
Yeah, let's talk to your Jets. 
This is maybe like a 

1470
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:53,880
controversial 1 to to put in 
this bucket here. 

1471
01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:56,440
Here's the only reason I did 
this last year. 

1472
01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:58,880
Tyler Conklin, you look at his 
like full season route 

1473
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:01,280
participation and it's pretty 
high. 

1474
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:04,280
It actually was kind of 
intriguing if you break it down 

1475
01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:06,280
in some splits. 
So the first couple weeks, I 

1476
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:09,720
don't know if Jeremy Rocker was 
hurt or just like not playing, 

1477
01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:13,040
but he just had a handful of 
snaps In weeks one through 3, 

1478
01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:15,120
Tyler Conklin was a full time 
player. 

1479
01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:17,960
Then there was this big stretch 
of the season where they kind of

1480
01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:23,760
phased CJ Uzoma out and insisted
on playing Rucker a little bit 

1481
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:25,880
more. 
You know, it's still only 30% of

1482
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:29,160
snaps, but during that period, 
Tyler Conklin was just at like 

1483
01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:34,680
60% of routes, which is really 
not sort of the bet you're 

1484
01:19:34,680 --> 01:19:36,760
hoping for when you take Tyler 
Conklin. 

1485
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:39,520
And then towards the end of the 
season, Rucker got injured, 

1486
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:41,760
Conklin went back to being the 
full time player. 

1487
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:44,720
So yeah, I just wanted to bring 
that up in that I think people 

1488
01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:47,840
are saying like Conklin's locked
in 80% routes. 

1489
01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:51,160
I don't think it's quite that 
simple still. 

1490
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:53,360
I think he's clearly like the 
favorite to be the starter. 

1491
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:57,240
But yeah, the Rucker itself did 
jump out to me a little bit when

1492
01:19:57,240 --> 01:20:00,560
I went through this. 
So Conklin has apparently had a 

1493
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:04,640
pretty strong offseason. 
I've I've read stuff of, you 

1494
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:07,120
know, Rogers having a good 
connection with him and stuff 

1495
01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:11,920
from the Athletic. 
This piece that everything's 

1496
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:14,000
kind of old now. 
This is from June 17th. 

1497
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:17,520
But it was a note on all 90 
players of The Jets. 

1498
01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:20,520
Conklin, the note was one of the
stars of OTA's. 

1499
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:23,800
He made multiple acrobatic 
catches and, next to Wilson, 

1500
01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:26,200
stands to benefit the most from 
competent quarterback play. 

1501
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:28,680
He's in the last year of his 
contract with a lot to prove. 

1502
01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:32,920
He acknowledges that the Bowers 
to The Jets talk motivated him. 

1503
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:36,800
And then the Rucker note is it's
time for the former third year, 

1504
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:38,560
third round pick to live up to 
his potential. 

1505
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:41,560
He flashed in spurts last year 
and this spring he should at 

1506
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:45,400
least be an upgrade over CJ 
Uzama as the number 2 tight end.

1507
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:50,120
So I can, I can definitely see 
your point on Rucker like having

1508
01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:52,760
some kind of role, but I would 
expect that Conklin is at least 

1509
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:55,400
in kind of the 60% round 
participation range with with 

1510
01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:59,120
upside to get close to 80, you 
know, 75% ish. 

1511
01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:03,280
And Rodgers has liked the tight 
end over the course of his 

1512
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:06,440
career. 
He's he's made guys who don't 

1513
01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:09,040
have never really have mattered 
elsewhere matter. 

1514
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:14,400
So yeah, I mean, I I'm 
interested in 70% route 

1515
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:15,640
participation. 
Tyler Conklin. 

1516
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:17,880
I think that could be fun at 
this price. 

1517
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:23,520
Davidson and IT. 
Could be like I prefer Phant and

1518
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:25,680
jig. 
Who we are, we already kind of 

1519
01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:31,520
like, I guess the thing to me is
that I sort of feel Conklin is 

1520
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:34,360
just kind of like, yeah, 606 
totally possible. 

1521
01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:37,080
I mean, I guess actually 
Conklin, maybe I should be more 

1522
01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:40,680
into it because if Rogers just 
hates all these jabronis, you 

1523
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:44,160
know, like I'm kind of fading 
Mike Williams the the wide 

1524
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:46,200
receiver depth chart after 
Corley. 

1525
01:21:46,480 --> 01:21:50,320
And like Corley I like, but 
could just not be an NFL wide 

1526
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:51,880
receiver. 
That's totally possible. 

1527
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:53,720
Like he can only do gimmick 
stuff. 

1528
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:57,680
You could definitely see Tyler 
Conklin having the Robert Tunyon

1529
01:21:57,680 --> 01:22:00,160
Memorial season. 
Or it's just Rogers. 

1530
01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:02,560
It's just like, I hate all these
guys so much. 

1531
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:05,920
I'm just throwing it to Conklin,
Brees and Garrett Wilson and no 

1532
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:08,760
one else. 
I I guess we just have to know, 

1533
01:22:09,320 --> 01:22:12,400
is Conklin in the inner circle? 
You know, is Conklin, is he in 

1534
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:14,240
with Rogers or is he out with 
Rogers? 

1535
01:22:14,240 --> 01:22:16,280
Like, can you can you pull up a 
picture of Tyler Conklin, 

1536
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:18,880
please? 
He looks like Guy would be He 

1537
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:21,160
looks like he. 
Will Tyler Conklin because he 

1538
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:24,080
looks like in a dis Manvan the 
PFFSI think he's. 

1539
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:27,680
Has he gone? 
Has he gone on a three day 

1540
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:31,000
camping excursion with Rogers to
take ayahuasca? 

1541
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:32,720
We we got to know. 
How? 

1542
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:34,400
How long has he been in the 
dark? 

1543
01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:36,320
How long? 
Was he on the Egypt trip with 

1544
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:37,440
Rogers? 
Is he on? 

1545
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:44,320
Oh man, the Egypt trip. 
Tyler Conklin had 622 yards last

1546
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:50,360
year for the 2023 Jets. 
Like I know he's not great, but 

1547
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:54,920
like he had zero touchdowns. 
Like what's the easiest way for 

1548
01:22:54,920 --> 01:22:56,280
us to just hit on one of these 
guys? 

1549
01:22:56,280 --> 01:22:59,800
It's like guy goes from zero 
touchdowns with Zach Wilson to 

1550
01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:01,920
8. 
Touchdowns there in 1010. 

1551
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:04,240
Touchdowns with Rogers, totally.
But I mean he's done it with 

1552
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:07,040
worst players. 
Yeah, so like, I don't know. 

1553
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:09,440
Like, yeah, I know he's had. 
By the way, Conklin has seven 

1554
01:23:09,440 --> 01:23:13,320
career touchdowns, so if he got 
to 8, he'd more than double his 

1555
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:14,640
career total. 
But like. 

1556
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:17,120
Look at the dabrones Tyler 
Conklin has played with though. 

1557
01:23:17,480 --> 01:23:19,720
Right. 
I mean, you know, just like kind

1558
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:23,440
of a you're you're it's like a 
slightly more interesting guy 

1559
01:23:23,440 --> 01:23:26,880
than Kate Onton. 
Weaker target competition, 

1560
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:30,080
better quarterback play. 
We know Rogers wants to throw 

1561
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:33,280
the ball in in the red at the 
three yard line and I like 

1562
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:36,760
Breece, but you know he's 
audible into A to a pass play, 

1563
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:40,720
you know it. 
Quick pop quiz Who had more 

1564
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:43,560
yards for outrun last season, 
Garrett Wilson or Tyler Conklin?

1565
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:46,280
That's so good. 
Yeah, that's awesome. 

1566
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:49,200
That's awesome. 
I'm going to say Garrett Wilson.

1567
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:51,720
Yeah, but it's it's closer than 
you think. 

1568
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:58,120
I just looked it up. 
It's 1.54 for Wilson and 1.32 

1569
01:23:58,120 --> 01:24:00,960
for Conklin. 
Like the fact that it's that 

1570
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:06,240
close is either really good for 
Conklin or pretty bad for 

1571
01:24:06,240 --> 01:24:07,480
Wilson. 
I think it's more likely to be 

1572
01:24:07,480 --> 01:24:10,240
good for Conklin. 
Like 1.3 in the context of that 

1573
01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:14,080
Jet's offense last year. 
For a tight end is is actually 

1574
01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:15,240
pretty good. 
Yeah. 

1575
01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:18,560
Can we do 'cause EPA for play 
for quarterbacks is a little bit

1576
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:21,800
like, you know, hard to parse. 
Can we just do like how much, 

1577
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:24,200
how much yards per out run we 
should just add to your Cedars? 

1578
01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:29,800
Like with with Zach Wilson, he's
like worth 2 yards per out run 

1579
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:31,560
subtraction from all subtracts 
Wilson. 

1580
01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:35,000
Yeah, Gary Wilson is like a 3.5 
yards per out run without him. 

1581
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:39,320
So Tyler Conklin's 2.9 then if 
we're using two whole conversion

1582
01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:45,520
let's move here to the Titans. 
Yeah, let's, Yeah, you, you 

1583
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:48,200
definitely sold me on Conklin 
being a little bit more 

1584
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:48,920
interesting. 
Definitely. 

1585
01:24:48,920 --> 01:24:50,400
I think belongs in the bucket 
with. 

1586
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:53,560
I'd say it's pretty comparable 
to like Hunter, Henry or Kadok. 

1587
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:56,480
Yeah, yeah, like 70% route 
participate. 

1588
01:24:56,480 --> 01:24:58,560
He won't have everything, but 
he's out there enough. 

1589
01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:00,600
You know you're betting on the 
offense to improve. 

1590
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:05,280
Yep, the Titans won this. 
This is one that has come up 

1591
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:10,760
recently as like a sneaky 
competition, some Josh Wild hype

1592
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:14,760
I've seen, you know, something 
that you could only see in the 

1593
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:17,360
early days of July. 
That is the depths, dude. 

1594
01:25:17,440 --> 01:25:21,960
That is the depths. 
But I don't know man, Josh Weil 

1595
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:24,440
ran like 50 routes, so these 
stats are fake. 

1596
01:25:24,440 --> 01:25:28,040
He did flash like a little bit 
on those routes, but I kind of 

1597
01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:32,360
have the same take that. 92nd 
out of 96 PFF run blocking grade

1598
01:25:32,360 --> 01:25:35,160
on 58 snaps. 
Yeah, and that's the thing, like

1599
01:25:35,160 --> 01:25:37,200
the the thing with Jig is 
supposed to be that like he 

1600
01:25:37,200 --> 01:25:39,960
might lose his role 'cause he's 
like too small and can't block. 

1601
01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:43,520
But and all the blocking stuff 
again, I I can't watch film and 

1602
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:45,720
tell you whether Jig Josh Weil. 
Is not big. 

1603
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:48,960
Josh Weil is 235 lbs. 
It's not. 

1604
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:50,880
It's not the the guy he would 
be. 

1605
01:25:51,200 --> 01:25:53,480
I can't believe this is a name 
getting said on a fantasy 

1606
01:25:53,480 --> 01:25:55,880
football show in 2024. 
The guy you'd be worried about 

1607
01:25:55,880 --> 01:26:00,440
him losing run block snaps to 
would be Nick the Net. 

1608
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:06,400
Nick the net, an unrestricted 
free agent on on the the Titans.

1609
01:26:06,480 --> 01:26:10,920
Yeah, I Chig is like, Chig might
be terrible, he really might be,

1610
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:14,400
but come on, like it. 
Look, look at the context of the

1611
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:16,600
offense. 
Look at what Chig has done as an

1612
01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:19,040
NFL player. 
You don't even have to squint 

1613
01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:21,760
and see it. 
You just have to say the guy can

1614
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:25,120
get 70% of the routes he can 
get. 

1615
01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:29,800
What's a bullish per 91 targets?
Is that bullish? 

1616
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:32,640
Is that appropriately bullish? 
Yeah, that seems like a solid. 

1617
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:37,240
And he and he scores, he scores 
8 touchdowns because he can get,

1618
01:26:37,440 --> 01:26:40,760
you know, he can kind of get 
going in the open field. 

1619
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:45,640
It's just Chig is the good bet 
to make on Levis can actually 

1620
01:26:45,640 --> 01:26:47,520
play that. 
This big bet the Titans have 

1621
01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:50,680
made, signing Ridley, signing 
Boyd, revamping the offensive 

1622
01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:52,680
line. 
I mean, the Titans did the smart

1623
01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:55,560
thing basically being like, 
let's see if we've got anything 

1624
01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:57,840
with Levis. 
If we don't, we figure it out at

1625
01:26:57,840 --> 01:27:01,440
quarterback next year and at 
least the quarterback comes in 

1626
01:27:01,720 --> 01:27:06,280
to like a team that's not the 
worst team in the NFLI. 

1627
01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:08,680
Like Chick. 
I think Chick is a potential 

1628
01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:11,960
Jake Ferguson guy. 
I could see it. 

1629
01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:15,960
I mean, his route participation 
was like 68% last year. 

1630
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:18,880
He's shown an ability to earn 
targets. 

1631
01:27:19,440 --> 01:27:22,880
I would put in more kind of like
a Jonnu Smith kind of territory 

1632
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:24,240
than. 
It's literally exactly what he 

1633
01:27:24,240 --> 01:27:27,480
is, yeah. 
Yeah, but it also it does feel 

1634
01:27:27,480 --> 01:27:32,800
like a little ferk daddy to me. 
Oh God, yeah, yeah. 

1635
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:34,960
Remember, we all got excited 
about Anthony Perkser. 

1636
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:37,440
Who's gonna run the routes? 
Who's gonna run all the routes? 

1637
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:39,120
So. 
I think I went to Harvard. 

1638
01:27:40,480 --> 01:27:42,360
I don't, I don't know. 
OK. 

1639
01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:47,120
But he he had like similar kind 
of flashes in a small sample and

1640
01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:52,480
it was like his year to step up 
and do a thing and it just just 

1641
01:27:52,480 --> 01:27:55,240
did not happen. 
But he started out 1.84 yards 

1642
01:27:55,240 --> 01:28:02,320
per hour run 1.61.77. 
And then yeah, but he never he, 

1643
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:04,640
he peaked at 431 receiving 
yards. 

1644
01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:10,280
So I'm just like I, I'm a little
nervous about Shake given like 

1645
01:28:10,280 --> 01:28:11,920
he's always been a part time 
player. 

1646
01:28:11,960 --> 01:28:16,200
You're kind of hoping for him to
get used in like sort of a 

1647
01:28:16,200 --> 01:28:18,840
specialty yards after catch type
of role. 

1648
01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:22,560
But is he good enough to 
actually earn that? 

1649
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:25,680
I don't know. 
He could just kind of end up 

1650
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:28,760
being like a rotational bit 
player pretty easily. 

1651
01:28:29,320 --> 01:28:32,200
Yeah, I mean, I get it's in the 
context of a couple offenses 

1652
01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:35,760
where the wide receivers have 
been really weak, but 2021% 

1653
01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:39,400
targets for route run on like 
600 career routes is quite good.

1654
01:28:39,400 --> 01:28:42,080
It's pretty good. 
Like you're not yeah, you're not

1655
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:45,080
seeing that number with like any
of the guys we've talked about 

1656
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:49,520
so far today basically. 
But yeah, I, I do think people 

1657
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:52,840
talk about with Hopkins, like 
comparing Hopkins targets for 

1658
01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:56,040
Outrun to like Ridley, for 
example, last year, like those 

1659
01:28:56,040 --> 01:28:59,240
Hawkins targets for Outrun are 
just juiced by the fact that 

1660
01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:01,400
he's playing next to, you know, 
Nick. 

1661
01:29:01,400 --> 01:29:04,320
West I'm just not really 
considering any statistics from 

1662
01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:07,320
the 2023 Titans. 
They just were, you think? 

1663
01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:10,160
You think target stats are 
juiced when from a guy who had 

1664
01:29:10,160 --> 01:29:11,960
to play with Will Levis last 
year as a rookie? 

1665
01:29:12,200 --> 01:29:14,480
No targets for route. 
Targets for route run are. 

1666
01:29:14,480 --> 01:29:16,760
Just like Navy, but it's yard. 
Sprout Run was good. 

1667
01:29:17,240 --> 01:29:19,480
Yeah, yeah, no, I'm not. 
I'm not bashing Hopkins. 

1668
01:29:19,480 --> 01:29:22,920
I'm just saying like when your 
target competition is dog shit, 

1669
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:26,080
like I don't think Chigakonkwa 
is gonna put up 21% targets per 

1670
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:28,560
route run right in this offense.
This year, eight he. 

1671
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:33,480
It'll be 17% targets per route 
run, but the fantasy points 

1672
01:29:33,480 --> 01:29:36,440
available should be higher for. 
Everyone. 

1673
01:29:36,440 --> 01:29:39,800
Yeah, they pass a lot, I think. 
I don't love Boyd, I don't love 

1674
01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:41,320
Boyd being there. 
They're gonna be out of true 

1675
01:29:41,320 --> 01:29:45,880
three wide a decent amount. 
Yeah, but but they're like, I 

1676
01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:48,440
think you're right. 
But they're receiving depth 

1677
01:29:48,440 --> 01:29:50,920
chart after Boyd. 
I mean, it goes to 0 

1678
01:29:50,920 --> 01:29:53,480
immediately. 
There is not one other talented 

1679
01:29:53,480 --> 01:29:55,000
player on this. 
Lovers come. 

1680
01:29:55,760 --> 01:29:57,160
On. 
Man, you can't. 

1681
01:29:57,400 --> 01:29:59,400
He's not making. 
He's not making. 

1682
01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:02,880
He's not making the team, dude. 
He's a pretty good 4th receiver.

1683
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:06,560
He's such a tough ball case for.
Jayla, he is, he is not, he is 

1684
01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:08,480
not making the team and it would
be better. 

1685
01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:10,360
He's on the Jalen Reger career 
path. 

1686
01:30:10,360 --> 01:30:11,480
He's. 
Going to be paid for it it's 

1687
01:30:11,480 --> 01:30:13,640
over it's. 
Over dude, there's reports that 

1688
01:30:13,640 --> 01:30:15,240
he was he was punt gunning 
really well. 

1689
01:30:19,240 --> 01:30:21,600
The the thing that the thing 
that everyone is doing now is 

1690
01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:24,960
being like, well, you know, the 
kickoff rules might help my guy 

1691
01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:26,720
who I really want to make the 
roster. 

1692
01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:29,040
Chillin Burke's doing the new 
kickoff rules. 

1693
01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:31,440
Come on. 
I think he might have hurt him. 

1694
01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:34,800
You want him running, like, run 
far is like one of his 

1695
01:30:35,320 --> 01:30:36,600
strengths. 
It might actually hurt him, 

1696
01:30:37,360 --> 01:30:40,040
Yeah. 
Let's move here to Washington. 

1697
01:30:40,080 --> 01:30:44,120
I, I don't have AI, don't have a
lot to say on this one, but I 

1698
01:30:44,120 --> 01:30:47,560
don't know it's going to be Zach
Irts as a starter like through 

1699
01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:50,200
at least mid season I think. 
Until he gets hurt. 

1700
01:30:50,360 --> 01:30:52,680
Until. 
Until he gets hurt, he's running

1701
01:30:52,680 --> 01:30:55,600
71% of the routes. 
There's nothing I can do about 

1702
01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:57,160
it. 
There's nothing you can do about

1703
01:30:57,160 --> 01:30:58,440
it. 
There's nothing Ben Sinnett can 

1704
01:30:58,440 --> 01:31:01,040
do about it. 
It just it, it is a fact of 

1705
01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:04,160
life. 
So I I'm I'm understanding why 

1706
01:31:04,160 --> 01:31:08,360
Pete didn't put finding the next
Tray McBride on here because you

1707
01:31:08,360 --> 01:31:11,240
guys are out on the intriguing 
young title. 

1708
01:31:11,240 --> 01:31:15,920
No, because of Zach Ertz. 
In incorrect I love Ben sinnett.

1709
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:17,720
Ben Sinnett went to my alma 
mater. 

1710
01:31:17,960 --> 01:31:22,680
I like Ben Sinnett, I especially
now that his price kind of came 

1711
01:31:22,680 --> 01:31:25,280
back to reality. 
It was like a week there where 

1712
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:28,320
he was like the tight end 16. 
And I was like, that might be 

1713
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:32,480
that might be a little bit much.
But now that he's like, yeah, 

1714
01:31:32,920 --> 01:31:35,720
which is reflective of which is 
reflective of reality. 

1715
01:31:36,040 --> 01:31:41,080
But I I think there are 
arguments to take Senate and I 

1716
01:31:41,080 --> 01:31:42,840
think there are there are 
certain like when you take TJ 

1717
01:31:42,840 --> 01:31:46,320
hawkinson Ertz is a great 
sandwich, right? 

1718
01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:48,720
You get the, you get the first 
six weeks of the season where 

1719
01:31:48,720 --> 01:31:50,040
ertz. 
Yeah, what could go wrong there?

1720
01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:55,280
The TJ Hawkinson and Zacker. 
The T you don't think the TJ 

1721
01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:58,360
Hawkinson Chicaconqua Zach Ertz 
tight end room is what you need 

1722
01:31:58,360 --> 01:32:01,240
to ship? 
Imagine flipping over a week 17 

1723
01:32:01,240 --> 01:32:03,880
lineup and it has TJ Hawkinson 
and Zach Ertz on it. 

1724
01:32:03,880 --> 01:32:08,080
This is Michael Scott, please 
God no. 

1725
01:32:09,040 --> 01:32:12,960
This is the only reaction. 
So this was for Arizona last 

1726
01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:16,880
year before Zach Ertz got 
injured sharing a team with Trey

1727
01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:26,040
McBride. 6 for 21, six for 56, 
two for six lol. 6 for 53, two 

1728
01:32:26,040 --> 01:32:29,320
for 10 on 75% of the snaps. 
That was the first month of the 

1729
01:32:29,320 --> 01:32:31,760
season. 
I'm sorry dude. 

1730
01:32:31,920 --> 01:32:34,920
I, I don't I, it doesn't make me
like I love Ben Sinnett. 

1731
01:32:35,000 --> 01:32:37,040
I loved him as a prospect. 
I took him and tell him these 

1732
01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:40,760
rookie drafts brings me no joy 
to report this, but it will be 

1733
01:32:40,760 --> 01:32:42,520
happening. 
I'm not saying I'm out on 

1734
01:32:42,520 --> 01:32:45,200
Sinnett, but I'd I'd be pretty 
shocked if Zach Kurtz wasn't the

1735
01:32:45,200 --> 01:32:48,480
starter for at least like a 
month and possibly more. 

1736
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:53,480
The the reports on Senate from 
camp is that he's been playing 

1737
01:32:53,480 --> 01:32:56,600
fullback. 
Well, that is pretty awful. 

1738
01:32:57,760 --> 01:32:59,160
Position that he played in 
college. 

1739
01:32:59,160 --> 01:33:03,000
That was his natural position. 
No, he was a converted fullback.

1740
01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:06,560
He played tight end, Yeah. 
I think he's fine where he goes 

1741
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:10,480
at 175 and definitely is like if
you want the mystery box upside,

1742
01:33:11,120 --> 01:33:14,000
he's I think, I think he's 
priced appropriately now. 

1743
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:16,720
I just think like it was crazy 
when he was going. 

1744
01:33:16,720 --> 01:33:18,600
Out. 
Yeah, it got a little. 1:45 or 

1745
01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:21,320
whatever at the peak. 
But now, now he's just a good 

1746
01:33:21,320 --> 01:33:22,720
pick. 
You can take him Correlated. 

1747
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:25,840
Yeah, yeah. 
I, I like to take Sennet, 

1748
01:33:26,120 --> 01:33:28,400
obviously with Daniels. 
Yeah. 

1749
01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:30,280
I mean, now you're kind of 
deciding between him and 

1750
01:33:30,280 --> 01:33:33,680
McCaffrey and you, and you might
not get both, which feels a lot 

1751
01:33:33,680 --> 01:33:40,000
more reasonable. 
But I mean Zachary turns 34 in 

1752
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:43,640
November. 
He had 1.08 yards per out run in

1753
01:33:43,640 --> 01:33:48,120
20221.01 last year. 
Like this dude? 

1754
01:33:48,280 --> 01:33:50,760
No one's saying he's good. 
I don't think anyone, I don't 

1755
01:33:50,760 --> 01:33:52,560
think anyone is arguing that 
he's good. 

1756
01:33:52,960 --> 01:33:58,480
Well, he's, he's washed enough 
that I think he can, he can just

1757
01:33:58,480 --> 01:34:03,240
hand off the job to it's up. 
It's how good Sanat is. 

1758
01:34:03,360 --> 01:34:05,920
How good is Sanat? 
And I think he's probably pretty

1759
01:34:05,920 --> 01:34:07,720
good. 
Like I think he probably is 

1760
01:34:07,760 --> 01:34:10,920
pretty good. 
So I think it happens the the 

1761
01:34:10,920 --> 01:34:14,520
combination of him being more 
washed than he was each of the 

1762
01:34:14,520 --> 01:34:17,520
last two seasons with Cliff and 
Sanaa being pretty good. 

1763
01:34:17,840 --> 01:34:21,400
I mean, obviously the thing that
gives you pause is people do 

1764
01:34:21,400 --> 01:34:23,880
actually forget this. 
He was literally the first name 

1765
01:34:23,880 --> 01:34:27,040
announced an NFL free agency 
like the the legal tampering 

1766
01:34:27,040 --> 01:34:30,440
window hit and Adam Schefter 
tweeted out Zach Ertz signed a 

1767
01:34:30,440 --> 01:34:33,120
one year $5,000,000 deal with 
the Washington Commanders. 

1768
01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:37,160
Like Cliff could not wait to get
that one across the finish line,

1769
01:34:37,160 --> 01:34:40,480
dude. 
How pissed are the Washington 

1770
01:34:40,480 --> 01:34:42,880
commanders that they didn't get 
Ben Johnson? 

1771
01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:44,520
They're just, they're never 
gonna get over it. 

1772
01:34:44,760 --> 01:34:48,720
They get Cliff Kingsgury, and as
a result, they prioritize Zach 

1773
01:34:48,720 --> 01:34:52,680
Ertz in free agency. 
Like just just such a bad run 

1774
01:34:52,680 --> 01:34:54,600
out for them. 
And they didn't get Drake May 

1775
01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:57,640
because because Cliff and Cliff 
and the new coaching staff 

1776
01:34:59,520 --> 01:35:02,800
that's really that's really if 
you if you want to go down the 

1777
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:05,880
rabbit hole that could end up 
being a real sliding glass 

1778
01:35:05,920 --> 01:35:11,760
doors. 
So I don't have a ton of. 

1779
01:35:11,760 --> 01:35:16,640
So these next two guys, two guys
who were injured right now who I

1780
01:35:16,640 --> 01:35:20,360
think are the clear starters. 
I don't think there's a ton to 

1781
01:35:20,360 --> 01:35:22,800
discuss here. 
I think like the only guys that 

1782
01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:25,080
are draftable are Hawkinson and 
Johnson. 

1783
01:35:25,080 --> 01:35:27,360
I'm not really touching any of 
the depth pieces. 

1784
01:35:28,640 --> 01:35:30,400
I don't know. 
I guess we should start with 

1785
01:35:30,400 --> 01:35:33,200
talking about Hawkinson. 
I actually think at 150 like 

1786
01:35:34,080 --> 01:35:36,480
I've drafted him a decent bit 
there. 

1787
01:35:36,480 --> 01:35:39,840
Definitely depends on your team 
structure, but I think you're 

1788
01:35:40,120 --> 01:35:44,880
getting like a pretty good bet 
for the last 6. 

1789
01:35:45,080 --> 01:35:47,840
Weeks. 
Ten weeks the season, like in an

1790
01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:51,000
upside case I think it's fine at
150. 

1791
01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:53,200
Like if you're gonna draft 3 
tight ends anyways. 

1792
01:35:53,200 --> 01:35:57,640
So it's it's. 
Fine at 1:50 I guess, but he's 

1793
01:35:57,640 --> 01:36:01,120
going behind Musgrave and and 
I've Musgrave is on my mind 

1794
01:36:01,120 --> 01:36:02,640
because they play each other 
week 17. 

1795
01:36:02,640 --> 01:36:06,280
So I often have, if I'm in the 
Hawkinson market, I often have a

1796
01:36:06,280 --> 01:36:09,800
Packer and a Viking and I'm 
like, why wouldn't I just take 

1797
01:36:09,800 --> 01:36:12,720
Musgrave? 
You know, second year player, 

1798
01:36:12,920 --> 01:36:15,360
promising rookie year. 
I gotta take this guy coming off

1799
01:36:15,360 --> 01:36:17,160
a late season multi ligament 
tear. 

1800
01:36:17,800 --> 01:36:23,200
Like I don't know, I I've taken 
him, but it's he's not quite to 

1801
01:36:23,200 --> 01:36:26,320
the level where I think he's a 
comfy clique. 

1802
01:36:26,320 --> 01:36:29,040
You know, if he was another 
round lower then I would 

1803
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:30,360
probably take him at a decent 
clip. 

1804
01:36:30,360 --> 01:36:34,360
But it's still like, I don't 
know, there's, there's still 

1805
01:36:34,640 --> 01:36:36,520
guys in that range. 
Like I don't like Cole Commet 

1806
01:36:36,520 --> 01:36:39,280
very much, but I, you know, he's
going like 5 picks ahead of 

1807
01:36:39,280 --> 01:36:40,800
Hawkinson. 
I'd, I'd much rather have him. 

1808
01:36:40,800 --> 01:36:45,080
He's he's healthy. 
Yeah, I don't know. 

1809
01:36:45,080 --> 01:36:49,800
It's just that Hawkinson was so 
at his peak, was so much better 

1810
01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:53,680
than those guys that I'm trying 
to take the mindset of like, no,

1811
01:36:53,680 --> 01:36:56,320
no, it feels so tough now to do 
it versus those guys that are 

1812
01:36:56,320 --> 01:36:58,200
clear starters gonna be healthy 
the whole season. 

1813
01:36:58,920 --> 01:37:02,080
But what if if Hawkinson's not 
injured in this drafting 

1814
01:37:02,080 --> 01:37:04,800
environment, he's probably, 
what, like it was right next to 

1815
01:37:04,800 --> 01:37:07,440
Kyle Pitts, I would guess, if 
he's fully healthy. 

1816
01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:12,880
I think that would be if he were
to one of the worst picks on the

1817
01:37:12,880 --> 01:37:17,360
board because he's he's he's got
JJ McCarthy or Sam Donald at 

1818
01:37:17,360 --> 01:37:19,400
quarterback. 
Like Kirk Cousins isn't there 

1819
01:37:19,400 --> 01:37:24,000
anymore, you know, like, and I 
think Hawkinson has never been 

1820
01:37:24,000 --> 01:37:27,520
like truly elite. 
He peaked last year with 1.89 

1821
01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:30,320
yards per out run. 
He had 1.73 the year before 

1822
01:37:30,320 --> 01:37:31,800
that. 
That was the year he was traded 

1823
01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:35,280
from Detroit to Minnesota. 
His career is 1.63. 

1824
01:37:36,160 --> 01:37:39,480
Like he's been better than Cole 
Comet, but Cole Comet was at 

1825
01:37:39,480 --> 01:37:41,360
1.69 yards per out run last 
year. 

1826
01:37:41,360 --> 01:37:44,080
Like he's not. 
He's he's. 

1827
01:37:44,080 --> 01:37:49,000
Been very productive in a high 
volume passing offense that may 

1828
01:37:49,000 --> 01:37:51,560
not be as high volume as it has 
been in the past. 

1829
01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:55,920
Partly, you know, because 
they're losing Kirk Cousins and 

1830
01:37:55,920 --> 01:37:58,200
partly because by the end of the
season it might be JP McCarthy, 

1831
01:37:58,200 --> 01:38:00,360
like it might actually get lower
volume over the course of the 

1832
01:38:00,360 --> 01:38:03,560
year if they move to the rookie.
And then you also have Jordan 

1833
01:38:03,560 --> 01:38:07,680
Addison coming on, who looked 
good, like Jordan Addison by the

1834
01:38:07,720 --> 01:38:10,080
end of his second season is 
going to be more target 

1835
01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:13,000
competition for Hawkinson than 
he was last year. 

1836
01:38:13,000 --> 01:38:17,480
So I don't know. 
I, I, I think Hawkinson has a 

1837
01:38:17,480 --> 01:38:20,880
number of factors that you have 
us down on him compared to last 

1838
01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:24,120
year other than the injury. 
And then you factor in the 

1839
01:38:24,120 --> 01:38:28,120
injury and it's like, bam, like 
is this guy even adding that 

1840
01:38:28,120 --> 01:38:31,000
much upside for me at the end of
the year? 

1841
01:38:31,720 --> 01:38:33,720
You know, if I'm talking about 
JJ McCarthy's number three 

1842
01:38:33,720 --> 01:38:37,080
target. 
I see the side of it. 

1843
01:38:37,120 --> 01:38:39,880
Davis, what are your thoughts on
Parkinson at this press? 

1844
01:38:39,880 --> 01:38:44,160
Every person who is sharp or 
sharp adjacent has had the fake 

1845
01:38:44,160 --> 01:38:47,600
sharp thought of I struck out on
all the elite tight ends. 

1846
01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:50,360
I didn't get Marc Andrews. 
I didn't even get Brock Powers. 

1847
01:38:50,360 --> 01:38:53,360
I need to get some upside in the
fantasy playoffs from tight end.

1848
01:38:53,600 --> 01:38:57,360
I'll simply take TJ Hawkinson 
and two veterans and then 

1849
01:38:57,360 --> 01:38:59,440
Hawkinson will give me the elite
upside. 

1850
01:39:00,680 --> 01:39:02,400
It's like maybe he will. 
I don't know. 

1851
01:39:02,400 --> 01:39:04,520
You don't know. 
No one really has any way of 

1852
01:39:04,520 --> 01:39:05,720
knowing. 
This is one of the more 

1853
01:39:05,720 --> 01:39:09,080
unknowable situations, like if 
he comes back and he's helped, 

1854
01:39:09,080 --> 01:39:11,680
you got to hit this parlay. 
He's got to come back probably a

1855
01:39:11,680 --> 01:39:14,160
little bit earlier then you'd 
think. 

1856
01:39:14,160 --> 01:39:16,400
Like this does have to be a spot
where we look back and we're 

1857
01:39:16,400 --> 01:39:19,200
like, oh, modern medicine. 
Modern medicine really did 

1858
01:39:19,520 --> 01:39:23,040
really did work there. 
And McCarthy has got to be good.

1859
01:39:23,840 --> 01:39:26,840
Like McCarthy has got to be 
justifiable. 

1860
01:39:26,840 --> 01:39:29,160
What was he? 
The 9th pick? 

1861
01:39:29,160 --> 01:39:33,320
6th, 4th pick I. 
Don't know the 12th pick I 

1862
01:39:33,320 --> 01:39:35,000
think. 
The 12th pick, Sure, he's got to

1863
01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:39,360
justify that. 
The thing is, I just think it's 

1864
01:39:39,360 --> 01:39:43,440
going to be like, even if 
McCarthy's not that good and 

1865
01:39:43,440 --> 01:39:47,320
assume Hawkinson is back healthy
for the back half of the season 

1866
01:39:47,320 --> 01:39:50,080
here, it's going to be one of 
the most concentrated passing 

1867
01:39:50,080 --> 01:39:51,480
attacks in the NFL. 
Like who? 

1868
01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:54,600
Who is the Vikings #3 wide 
receiver? 

1869
01:39:55,040 --> 01:39:57,520
Like they're talking about in 
the beats that they need to sign

1870
01:39:57,520 --> 01:39:59,360
some veteran because the number 
three's there. 

1871
01:39:59,360 --> 01:40:01,000
So unproven. 
Like there. 

1872
01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:04,080
There's just not a lot of like 
tertiary guys that are going to 

1873
01:40:04,080 --> 01:40:06,120
be involved there. 
I don't think it's that hard 

1874
01:40:06,120 --> 01:40:07,800
from a projection standpoint to 
get. 

1875
01:40:08,280 --> 01:40:13,720
Jefferson to his 30%, Addison to
2025 and Hawkinson also 20% 

1876
01:40:13,720 --> 01:40:16,960
plus. 
Yeah, I I just don't see it as a

1877
01:40:16,960 --> 01:40:21,880
situation where it matters that 
much from a target competition. 

1878
01:40:21,920 --> 01:40:24,040
But yeah, going to the running 
backs, I don't know, that feels 

1879
01:40:24,040 --> 01:40:28,680
like if you have two receivers 
that are combining for 50% of 

1880
01:40:28,680 --> 01:40:33,320
the targets, it doesn't leave a 
ton or 55% of the targets maybe 

1881
01:40:33,960 --> 01:40:38,160
it doesn't leave a ton. 
And I don't like to be honest, 

1882
01:40:38,640 --> 01:40:40,800
even if he was fully healthy, I 
would take Bowers over him. 

1883
01:40:43,080 --> 01:40:45,880
Yeah, I mean it. 
Seems crazy to me. 

1884
01:40:45,880 --> 01:40:47,960
I would not. 
I would take him at Titan Seven.

1885
01:40:47,960 --> 01:40:49,240
I would take him ahead of 
Ingram. 

1886
01:40:49,400 --> 01:40:51,160
You would take Ingram? 
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. 

1887
01:40:51,160 --> 01:40:53,200
Like if Evan Ingram in this 
draft environment is getting 

1888
01:40:53,200 --> 01:40:56,400
propped up based on just like 
volume. 

1889
01:40:56,400 --> 01:40:58,120
I think maybe we should be 
taking Bowers ahead of Ingram 

1890
01:40:58,120 --> 01:41:01,000
though. 
Yeah, well, OK, so so that is 

1891
01:41:01,000 --> 01:41:04,040
the total that's a that's a 
neither here nor there situation

1892
01:41:04,040 --> 01:41:05,800
like an alternate sliding doors 
reality. 

1893
01:41:05,800 --> 01:41:09,240
The thing is, is Hawkinson gets 
to play a bunch of Dome games 

1894
01:41:09,480 --> 01:41:11,920
with like I say this all the 
time talking about the Jefferson

1895
01:41:11,920 --> 01:41:14,080
thing. 
I mean, people do forget this is

1896
01:41:14,080 --> 01:41:18,520
the same cheating bullshit that 
Brock Pretty gets to deal with. 

1897
01:41:18,560 --> 01:41:23,320
Like the the Minnesota offense 
is the same West Coast paint by 

1898
01:41:23,320 --> 01:41:26,680
numbers, easiest possible thing 
you can do as a quarterback and 

1899
01:41:26,680 --> 01:41:29,320
he gets to throw to Justin 
Jefferson, Jordan Addison, TJ 

1900
01:41:29,320 --> 01:41:32,280
Hawkinson and a really good 
receiving back and Aaron Jones. 

1901
01:41:32,280 --> 01:41:37,320
Like it, it is set up like if 
you told me Hawkinson was like 

1902
01:41:37,320 --> 01:41:40,600
the low advance rate, high, high
EV. 

1903
01:41:40,800 --> 01:41:43,960
Guy, I'd be. 
Like, absolutely, I totally get 

1904
01:41:43,960 --> 01:41:46,040
it, yeah. 
Yeah, that's what I think. 

1905
01:41:46,040 --> 01:41:48,920
You do have to be careful with 
how you're building with him. 

1906
01:41:48,920 --> 01:41:52,520
Like I don't think like 
Hawkinson Bowers is that good of

1907
01:41:52,520 --> 01:41:55,120
a combination cause both of 
those guys could be slow 

1908
01:41:55,120 --> 01:41:56,960
starters and like tank your 
advance rate. 

1909
01:41:57,160 --> 01:42:00,160
But maybe like Hawkinson with 
two of the boring guys like 

1910
01:42:00,160 --> 01:42:03,600
Hunter Henry and yeah, I don't 
know, whatever, Kate Alton, 

1911
01:42:03,600 --> 01:42:05,160
right? 
Something like that I think is 

1912
01:42:05,160 --> 01:42:08,280
actually a pretty high upside 
tight end build that doesn't 

1913
01:42:08,280 --> 01:42:11,840
cost you that much and I think 
you can survive it with those 

1914
01:42:11,840 --> 01:42:13,720
boring guys. 
Yeah, it's a little sonati to 

1915
01:42:13,720 --> 01:42:18,680
me, you know. 
Yeah, but like, I don't know, 

1916
01:42:19,240 --> 01:42:21,760
like Hunter Henry is kind of 
just as appealing to me as TJ 

1917
01:42:21,760 --> 01:42:26,200
Hawkinson where you're like this
guy, it's not as exciting, but 

1918
01:42:26,200 --> 01:42:29,600
there's like available targets. 
He's healthy all year. 

1919
01:42:29,680 --> 01:42:32,400
And I'm betting on the late 
season upside in the sense that 

1920
01:42:32,400 --> 01:42:34,440
the quarterback is coming on 
down the stretch. 

1921
01:42:34,960 --> 01:42:36,720
And, you know, there's 
touchdowns to be had in this 

1922
01:42:36,720 --> 01:42:38,880
offense now because the the 
offense at the end of the year 

1923
01:42:38,880 --> 01:42:43,160
is way better than we, you know,
we're imagining it to be and 

1924
01:42:43,160 --> 01:42:44,760
then probably was in like Week 
1. 

1925
01:42:45,200 --> 01:42:50,640
So I don't know, that's just 
like given the full bet. 

1926
01:42:50,760 --> 01:42:53,240
But again, I think Hockinson has
always kind of been overrated. 

1927
01:42:53,320 --> 01:42:57,520
He's never had from the 
efficiency side of things a 

1928
01:42:57,640 --> 01:43:00,320
really impressive season. 
He's had some good seasons. 

1929
01:43:00,480 --> 01:43:03,680
He's been very productive. 
But I think he's he's more 

1930
01:43:03,680 --> 01:43:07,600
sensitive to to overall passing 
volume than the market seems to 

1931
01:43:07,600 --> 01:43:09,880
think. 
Yeah, and he definitely was 

1932
01:43:09,880 --> 01:43:13,680
trying to having a career year 
last year. 1.9 yards for Outrun,

1933
01:43:13,680 --> 01:43:16,360
20%, twenty 4% targets for 
Outrun. 

1934
01:43:17,160 --> 01:43:20,160
Like I, I think you kind of 
would have got to the elite 

1935
01:43:20,160 --> 01:43:22,280
category with how we're defining
elite these days. 

1936
01:43:22,280 --> 01:43:25,360
Like those are much better 
numbers than Dalton, Kincaid, 

1937
01:43:25,360 --> 01:43:29,000
Kyle Pitts, like any of those 
guys have ever put up in terms 

1938
01:43:29,000 --> 01:43:30,840
of yard sprout, run. 
Maybe, maybe not Pitts. 

1939
01:43:31,640 --> 01:43:33,480
Rookie. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1940
01:43:33,480 --> 01:43:36,080
But yeah, but I see where you're
coming from. 

1941
01:43:36,080 --> 01:43:40,480
Let's talk quickly on on Saints.
I'm still thinking Juan Johnson 

1942
01:43:40,480 --> 01:43:42,120
last round. 
It's it's a little scary with 

1943
01:43:42,120 --> 01:43:45,880
this foot thing, but. 
Just completely happy to hear 

1944
01:43:45,880 --> 01:43:47,720
that. 
Yeah, it's completely free now. 

1945
01:43:47,720 --> 01:43:50,920
And like the reports are that 
he's likely to be back for the 

1946
01:43:50,920 --> 01:43:55,840
start of the season, even if 
that is like overly optimistic 

1947
01:43:55,840 --> 01:43:59,720
and he misses a month. 
Like, I guess it doesn't seem 

1948
01:43:59,720 --> 01:44:02,480
that bad to me. 
Again, it it depends on your 

1949
01:44:02,480 --> 01:44:04,280
tight end room. 
Like if you desperately need 

1950
01:44:04,280 --> 01:44:08,520
tight end scoring, hopefully you
don't pick two O 8 but. 

1951
01:44:09,160 --> 01:44:10,480
Yeah. 
Because there's no. 

1952
01:44:10,480 --> 01:44:12,280
If you do, I have bad news, 
Yeah. 

1953
01:44:12,920 --> 01:44:16,000
Don't take, don't take, don't 
take Juan Johnson with TJ 

1954
01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:21,080
Hawkinson, but maybe take him 
with Zach Ertz can I sell you? 

1955
01:44:21,080 --> 01:44:24,120
Can I sell you? 
Can I sell you on a Noah fan? 

1956
01:44:24,160 --> 01:44:26,160
Juan Johnson, Zach Ertz tight 
end room. 

1957
01:44:28,160 --> 01:44:29,360
It's. 
Not the worst thing ever. 

1958
01:44:29,360 --> 01:44:33,080
No, you can't. 
Here's the deal. 

1959
01:44:33,200 --> 01:44:37,280
I was I apparently missed the 
memo from legendary upside slash

1960
01:44:37,280 --> 01:44:40,360
ship chasing slappies that we 
were all in on Juwan Johnson 

1961
01:44:40,360 --> 01:44:42,920
this year completely passed me 
by missed it. 

1962
01:44:43,080 --> 01:44:46,320
You know, I go into chat, I go 
into I go into the Discord and 

1963
01:44:46,320 --> 01:44:49,400
people are are, you know, 
rending their garments and 

1964
01:44:49,400 --> 01:44:51,800
gnashing their teeth about this 
Juwan Johnson injury. 

1965
01:44:52,200 --> 01:44:53,960
So now it's time for me to catch
up. 

1966
01:44:54,000 --> 01:44:56,560
I get to be part of the group 
now because now I can take him 

1967
01:44:56,800 --> 01:44:59,520
in the 18th round. 
So it feels feels great now. 

1968
01:44:59,520 --> 01:45:01,480
Now I can be part of the of the 
friends. 

1969
01:45:02,400 --> 01:45:06,440
I, I like it. 
I yeah, no, he's his profile 

1970
01:45:06,440 --> 01:45:11,080
like isn't that impressive, But 
he was, you know, he's kind of 

1971
01:45:11,080 --> 01:45:15,840
the big receiver type. 
He's been used downfield, 

1972
01:45:15,880 --> 01:45:19,240
although last year you only had 
an 8A dot, but he, he was at 9.8

1973
01:45:19,240 --> 01:45:21,160
the year before, 11.5 the year 
before. 

1974
01:45:21,160 --> 01:45:24,560
So he's been used downfield as 
kind of a big receiver field 

1975
01:45:24,560 --> 01:45:25,520
stretcher guy. 
Well. 

1976
01:45:25,640 --> 01:45:27,360
He was the receiver. 
At all. 

1977
01:45:27,680 --> 01:45:31,160
Yeah, converted wide receiver 
Jimmy Graham also like caught I 

1978
01:45:31,160 --> 01:45:33,240
think 4 touchdowns last year. 
He's gone. 

1979
01:45:33,640 --> 01:45:36,560
There's like a little bit more 
like to the tight end position 

1980
01:45:36,560 --> 01:45:40,280
than there was last year and 
then like they just don't have a

1981
01:45:40,280 --> 01:45:44,520
wide receiver three. 
So, you know, it's not like the 

1982
01:45:45,000 --> 01:45:48,440
highest upside crack, but in a 
tight end environment that got 

1983
01:45:48,440 --> 01:45:52,560
gross pretty quickly. 
I I liked Juan Johnson a lot 

1984
01:45:52,560 --> 01:45:55,400
when he was healthy. 
It does scare me, the foot 

1985
01:45:55,400 --> 01:45:57,760
injury thing. 
I mean, like players with 

1986
01:45:58,120 --> 01:46:01,080
offseason, you know, and, and 
not like early offseason, but 

1987
01:46:01,080 --> 01:46:05,560
middle like summer foot injury, 
like probably back for Week 1 

1988
01:46:06,520 --> 01:46:09,880
makes me nervous as hell. 
And I had a bag of them ahead of

1989
01:46:09,880 --> 01:46:11,880
time. 
So now I've kind of the opposite

1990
01:46:11,880 --> 01:46:15,120
where I'm like, well, I already,
if Juan Johnson is what you 

1991
01:46:15,120 --> 01:46:19,080
need, like then I'll I'll be OK 
'cause he wasn't ever that 

1992
01:46:19,080 --> 01:46:20,640
expensive. 
You know, I took him to like 

1993
01:46:20,640 --> 01:46:23,600
pick 160 or whatever. 
Like it's not that different 

1994
01:46:23,600 --> 01:46:26,960
than the 20th round. 
And why am I gonna add to the 

1995
01:46:26,960 --> 01:46:31,040
position post foot injury? 
So I'm I'm down to 11%, but at 

1996
01:46:31,040 --> 01:46:33,080
one point I was like at like 
1516%. 

1997
01:46:33,080 --> 01:46:35,080
Johnson. 
You were rending your garments. 

1998
01:46:35,240 --> 01:46:35,880
I was. 
You were. 

1999
01:46:35,880 --> 01:46:38,120
Yeah, I have some. 
I can go grab them. 

2000
01:46:38,120 --> 01:46:41,560
They're rended. 
Down your your greatest when 

2001
01:46:41,560 --> 01:46:44,160
you're funny is extra funny 
'cause that's not like your 

2002
01:46:44,160 --> 01:46:48,000
brand being funny, you know? 
And I sometimes will just be 

2003
01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:50,880
doing something on my own and 
I'll laugh thinking about your 

2004
01:46:50,880 --> 01:46:53,280
Zach Ertz tweet right after they
took Ben sent it. 

2005
01:46:53,640 --> 01:46:56,480
Like I will like I'll just, I'll
just be doing I'll be doing some

2006
01:46:56,480 --> 01:46:58,160
yard work, walking my dog or 
something. 

2007
01:46:58,160 --> 01:47:00,760
And I'll be like, remember when 
Karain did that really funny 

2008
01:47:00,760 --> 01:47:02,560
Zach Ertz tweet? 
And I'll just go look it up. 

2009
01:47:06,600 --> 01:47:09,560
I kind of had you in my head a 
little bit when I was like the 

2010
01:47:09,640 --> 01:47:11,240
the just a ration it. 
Was kind of for. 

2011
01:47:11,240 --> 01:47:13,320
It was kind of for. 
It was kind of for you, It 

2012
01:47:13,520 --> 01:47:18,200
really was. 
Yeah, last thing I said in New 

2013
01:47:18,200 --> 01:47:22,440
Orleans, this comment from 
Burgundy in the chat, Yeah, all 

2014
01:47:22,440 --> 01:47:25,400
the like. 
So both Shaheed and Olave have 

2015
01:47:25,400 --> 01:47:30,400
had really high a dots. 
So one of these Saints pass 

2016
01:47:30,400 --> 01:47:33,240
catchers has to kind of fill the
over the middle role. 

2017
01:47:33,560 --> 01:47:35,920
Kamara obviously will soak up 
some of that, Taysom Hill will 

2018
01:47:35,920 --> 01:47:38,360
soak up some of that. 
But that's kind of why I was 

2019
01:47:38,360 --> 01:47:41,120
interested in Juwan. 
And everyone should check out 

2020
01:47:41,120 --> 01:47:43,720
Gretch and Leonie's projections 
podcast. 

2021
01:47:43,720 --> 01:47:46,520
They made that point as well 
that like someone has to fill 

2022
01:47:46,520 --> 01:47:49,920
that void on New Orleans of sort
of the short dump off territory.

2023
01:47:49,920 --> 01:47:52,840
And I think Juwan, if he can get
back from the foot injury at 

2024
01:47:52,840 --> 01:47:56,280
some point early in the season 
is the best bet to do that. 

2025
01:47:56,720 --> 01:48:00,360
So yeah, again, not a huge high 
upside crack, but I think a 

2026
01:48:00,360 --> 01:48:03,400
pretty. 
Maybe I'll get back in and just 

2027
01:48:03,400 --> 01:48:06,280
start kind of and try to stay 
kind of even ish with the field 

2028
01:48:06,280 --> 01:48:10,360
now, which which isn't even at 
8% since he doesn't get drafted 

2029
01:48:10,360 --> 01:48:11,920
all the time. 
But I like that. 

2030
01:48:11,920 --> 01:48:14,560
I mean, God, they do need 
someone to be that third guy. 

2031
01:48:15,000 --> 01:48:18,520
What if it's what if they? 
What if they totally subvert all

2032
01:48:18,520 --> 01:48:21,480
of our expectations and they 
just run Shahid on 8 yard 

2033
01:48:21,480 --> 01:48:24,720
crossers all day? 
I think both Shahid and Allah. 

2034
01:48:24,760 --> 01:48:27,600
They probably have more in their
bag than what they've shown. 

2035
01:48:27,640 --> 01:48:32,200
And and AT Perry can't do that. 
So AT Perry then becomes the 

2036
01:48:32,200 --> 01:48:35,400
DeVry Anderson where he just is 
is 9 routes all day. 

2037
01:48:37,320 --> 01:48:40,680
I I think AT Perry would love to
be Deborah Henderson like that. 

2038
01:48:40,680 --> 01:48:44,880
Would be Perry is is he? 
Would love to be remembered on a

2039
01:48:44,880 --> 01:48:49,680
podcast 8 years from now. 
That's a good outcome for him. 

2040
01:48:49,760 --> 01:48:51,640
Remember. 
Remember wide receiver 38 

2041
01:48:51,640 --> 01:48:53,800
Marquez Callaway that. 
That's what he. 

2042
01:48:54,040 --> 01:48:55,720
That would be peak AT Perry. 
He would. 

2043
01:48:55,840 --> 01:48:58,720
He would settle for Callaway's 
peak ADP. 

2044
01:48:58,840 --> 01:49:00,840
He doesn't. 
Even if he doesn't match the 

2045
01:49:00,840 --> 01:49:02,040
production, that would be the 
one. 

2046
01:49:03,240 --> 01:49:06,160
So true, yeah. 
That was the biggest form of 

2047
01:49:06,160 --> 01:49:08,160
mass delusion I've I've ever 
seen. 

2048
01:49:08,160 --> 01:49:09,720
In it was insane. 
I am. 

2049
01:49:09,720 --> 01:49:12,800
So I'm so proud of myself 
because I'm so susceptible to 

2050
01:49:12,800 --> 01:49:15,720
being influenced by stuff like 
that, and I am so proud of 

2051
01:49:15,720 --> 01:49:17,560
myself for realizing that was 
insane it. 

2052
01:49:17,960 --> 01:49:19,720
Was one of the worst. 
It would be like the equivalent 

2053
01:49:19,720 --> 01:49:22,720
of what, like Josh Reynolds 
surged to like the eighth round 

2054
01:49:22,720 --> 01:49:24,520
off good. 
It would it would be like, it 

2055
01:49:24,520 --> 01:49:30,240
would be like if, if Josh Palmer
this year was like a sixth round

2056
01:49:30,240 --> 01:49:32,560
pick in this in, in this wide 
receiver environment. 

2057
01:49:32,640 --> 01:49:34,480
It even seems crazier than that,
though, because at least 

2058
01:49:34,480 --> 01:49:36,480
Palmer's done like something 
like Holloway. 

2059
01:49:36,520 --> 01:49:38,480
Was Holloway had done nothing. 
Right. 

2060
01:49:39,200 --> 01:49:41,360
Yeah, he'd done nothing. 
And it was, it was like an 

2061
01:49:41,360 --> 01:49:43,880
offense because what it was, 
Thomas got hurt or something, 

2062
01:49:43,880 --> 01:49:46,080
but it was like an offense that 
was sort of built on one player.

2063
01:49:46,400 --> 01:49:49,560
Honestly, it would be like if 
Trey Tucker went in the eighth 

2064
01:49:49,560 --> 01:49:51,760
round like it's. 
Almost. 

2065
01:49:51,760 --> 01:49:55,680
That would be. 
That that was the first Michael 

2066
01:49:55,680 --> 01:50:00,520
Thomas injury year. 33 year old 
Emmanuel Sanders led the wide 

2067
01:50:00,520 --> 01:50:03,160
receivers in targets that year 
for the Saints. 

2068
01:50:04,920 --> 01:50:08,200
All right, ADB chasing 
listeners, we're almost, we're 

2069
01:50:08,200 --> 01:50:10,840
almost done here. 
Last slide, I do think it's 

2070
01:50:10,840 --> 01:50:14,880
interesting to point out some 
contingent tight end upside 

2071
01:50:14,880 --> 01:50:16,840
plays. 
Isaiah Likely is obviously the 

2072
01:50:16,840 --> 01:50:20,480
one that everyone knows about 
and talks about, but I think 

2073
01:50:21,080 --> 01:50:24,680
there are some other ones that 
are draftable and stacks only. 

2074
01:50:25,720 --> 01:50:28,760
So yeah, curious what you guys 
think. 

2075
01:50:28,960 --> 01:50:32,480
Davis, do you have any takes on 
the Chiefs situation, 'cause I 

2076
01:50:32,480 --> 01:50:35,680
think if we knew who the clear 
backup was there that would be 

2077
01:50:35,680 --> 01:50:39,320
draftable in the home stacks. 
But yeah, any any takes on like 

2078
01:50:39,400 --> 01:50:42,680
any of these guys? 
Are they worth drafting if you 

2079
01:50:42,680 --> 01:50:46,200
have it stacked? 
So there there are. 

2080
01:50:46,240 --> 01:50:47,800
I mean, there are a couple 
things to note here. 

2081
01:50:47,800 --> 01:50:51,600
So the first is, is that Herb 
Smith junior is still on the 

2082
01:50:51,600 --> 01:50:54,400
Kansas City Chiefs. 
Like he he's actually still he's

2083
01:50:54,400 --> 01:50:58,200
still on the roster. 
I anticipate he will probably 

2084
01:50:58,200 --> 01:51:02,160
make the roster. 
I I think he I think he probably

2085
01:51:02,160 --> 01:51:05,360
will make the opening day 53 man
roster. 

2086
01:51:05,360 --> 01:51:12,120
I think their ideal would be to 
put Wiley kind of a red shirt 

2087
01:51:12,120 --> 01:51:16,120
year. 
But I do think they realized 

2088
01:51:16,240 --> 01:51:19,720
when when Kelsey has not been 
available and when Kelsey was 

2089
01:51:19,720 --> 01:51:23,720
playing injured last year, like 
the obviously the idea was for 

2090
01:51:23,720 --> 01:51:25,560
Noah Grey to like get time in 
the system. 

2091
01:51:25,560 --> 01:51:27,120
He's been on the team. 
He plays all these snaps. 

2092
01:51:27,120 --> 01:51:31,960
He's a great run blocker. 
Like, can we just roll on like 

2093
01:51:31,960 --> 01:51:35,160
Kelsey retires and we kind of 
already have our guy ready made.

2094
01:51:35,160 --> 01:51:37,560
And no, Grey is not it. 
No, Grey is more of a a 

2095
01:51:37,640 --> 01:51:43,320
traditional blocking tight end. 
Noah Grey played 55% of the 

2096
01:51:43,320 --> 01:51:45,320
snaps for the Kansas City Chiefs
last year. 

2097
01:51:45,560 --> 01:51:49,440
He turned that in for 28 
receptions, 305 yards and two 

2098
01:51:49,440 --> 01:51:52,200
touchdowns. 
He's just not going to earn a 

2099
01:51:52,240 --> 01:51:53,720
ton of targets. 
And I don't think that would 

2100
01:51:53,720 --> 01:51:57,960
change if Kelsey got hurt. 
My expectation would be if 

2101
01:51:57,960 --> 01:52:01,520
Kelsey got injured would be for 
them to try Wiley out in that 

2102
01:52:01,520 --> 01:52:04,040
role because he's a more 
prototypical receiving tight 

2103
01:52:04,040 --> 01:52:07,040
end. 
I don't think either of them, I 

2104
01:52:07,040 --> 01:52:10,440
think the fact that they both 
exist means that you can't 

2105
01:52:10,440 --> 01:52:14,600
really draft like I was drafting
Noah Gray a little bit last 

2106
01:52:14,600 --> 01:52:18,160
year, like round 20 on DK. 
Like, you know, he's going to be

2107
01:52:18,160 --> 01:52:20,120
on the field, contingent value, 
whatever. 

2108
01:52:20,720 --> 01:52:23,840
It didn't, it didn't play out. 
And I think that is sadly the 

2109
01:52:23,840 --> 01:52:25,040
way it is. 
I mean, I'm not going to tell 

2110
01:52:25,040 --> 01:52:27,920
you don't take them because 
you're betting against a 34 year

2111
01:52:27,920 --> 01:52:30,720
old tight end. 
But they definitely and if 

2112
01:52:30,800 --> 01:52:33,040
Kelsey gets her herbs, that's 
definitely active. 

2113
01:52:33,440 --> 01:52:35,680
Yeah, if it was more clear cut, 
it'd be more interesting, but 

2114
01:52:35,680 --> 01:52:37,920
it's it's too muddled for me to 
really take shots on. 

2115
01:52:38,360 --> 01:52:41,960
Yeah, I think. 
Knox is the best Knox is the 

2116
01:52:42,000 --> 01:52:44,600
best screen right now. 
I agree. 

2117
01:52:45,120 --> 01:52:49,440
Yeah, Knox is very draftable. 
You're betting on a touchdown 

2118
01:52:49,640 --> 01:52:52,960
from Josh Allen. 
You know, he, I, I tack him onto

2119
01:52:52,960 --> 01:52:56,880
Josh Allen's stuff where I don't
get Dalton Kincaid kind of as a 

2120
01:52:56,880 --> 01:52:58,960
contingent value play to some 
extent. 

2121
01:52:58,960 --> 01:53:01,360
But also just like he's going to
run. 

2122
01:53:01,360 --> 01:53:03,800
I don't know, I said like 5560% 
earlier. 

2123
01:53:03,800 --> 01:53:06,240
That's probably too high. 
It's probably more like 40 to 

2124
01:53:06,240 --> 01:53:10,800
45% of the routes. 
But he'll be out there a decent 

2125
01:53:10,800 --> 01:53:13,120
amount of the time. 
And when he's out there, it's 

2126
01:53:13,120 --> 01:53:14,880
probably going to be in 12 
personnel stuff. 

2127
01:53:14,880 --> 01:53:18,560
It'll probably be more around 
the goal line, you know, so 

2128
01:53:19,480 --> 01:53:23,080
you're I mean, it's a it's an 
Josh Allen offense. 

2129
01:53:23,480 --> 01:53:25,400
You're betting on a touchdown in
the last round. 

2130
01:53:25,400 --> 01:53:29,960
It it seems fine to me, you 
know, and as far as contingent 

2131
01:53:29,960 --> 01:53:33,360
value goes, I think it's 
reasonably similar to Isaiah 

2132
01:53:33,360 --> 01:53:35,280
likely. 
You know, he's not as good as 

2133
01:53:35,280 --> 01:53:37,040
likely. 
He's not as fun as likely, but 

2134
01:53:38,000 --> 01:53:40,160
it's you know, you're you're 
getting Josh Allen's starting 

2135
01:53:40,160 --> 01:53:41,800
tight end. 
If if don't Kincaid where you 

2136
01:53:41,840 --> 01:53:43,720
hurt? 
Might might like he might 

2137
01:53:44,160 --> 01:53:46,400
played. 
He might end up 5th on the Bills

2138
01:53:46,400 --> 01:53:50,000
and receptions anyway. 
Yeah, that's honestly true. 

2139
01:53:50,000 --> 01:53:52,360
Yeah. 
And I mean, Joe Brady showed 

2140
01:53:52,360 --> 01:53:54,400
some interest in kind of playing
more power football stuff. 

2141
01:53:54,400 --> 01:53:57,080
So maybe they they still run a 
decent amount of 12 this year. 

2142
01:53:57,080 --> 01:54:01,600
I I really don't know. 
But yeah, I mean, just as like a

2143
01:54:01,960 --> 01:54:05,400
dart throw, please God, get in 
the end zone like you could, you

2144
01:54:05,400 --> 01:54:08,240
could do worse. 
Michael Mayer's the other guy 

2145
01:54:08,240 --> 01:54:12,040
that I draft here a little bit. 
Yeah, he's gonna point him out. 

2146
01:54:13,280 --> 01:54:16,320
I mean, another guy, like, if 
we're thinking about contingent 

2147
01:54:16,320 --> 01:54:19,640
value here, like I think Mayor 
will have a role, you know, he's

2148
01:54:19,640 --> 01:54:22,440
probably like Harrison Bryant, 
you know? 

2149
01:54:22,440 --> 01:54:24,480
Yeah, But like. 
Yikes. 

2150
01:54:24,760 --> 01:54:27,120
Yeah, 200. 
Harrison Bryant is also on this 

2151
01:54:27,120 --> 01:54:29,520
team, I'm pretty sure. 
He is, that's true. 

2152
01:54:30,000 --> 01:54:32,200
That's yeah. 
He signed a one year, $4 million

2153
01:54:32,200 --> 01:54:34,880
contract. 
I mean, he had. 

2154
01:54:34,880 --> 01:54:39,640
So Harrison Bryant had three 
straight seasons of or two 

2155
01:54:39,640 --> 01:54:43,120
straight seasons of 230 plus 
yards and three touchdowns. 

2156
01:54:43,200 --> 01:54:44,680
That's you're just hoping to get
one of those. 

2157
01:54:44,720 --> 01:54:46,560
Touchdowns and that and and that
and Mackie. 

2158
01:54:46,640 --> 01:54:48,920
Yeah. 
But I mean, the it's just the 

2159
01:54:48,920 --> 01:54:52,560
Bowers pick was so bizarre cause
like Meyer's like a fine NFL 

2160
01:54:52,960 --> 01:54:55,360
tight ends. 
I don't know, but yeah, like. 

2161
01:54:55,520 --> 01:54:57,040
They wanted Pennix. 
I'm convinced they wanted 

2162
01:54:57,040 --> 01:54:58,880
Pennix. 
I think it was a panic pick. 

2163
01:54:59,200 --> 01:55:03,920
I I wanted a quarterback, yeah. 
The the someone a story is out 

2164
01:55:03,920 --> 01:55:06,240
there that they flipped the coin
between him and Terry and 

2165
01:55:06,240 --> 01:55:08,120
Arnold. 
I I think Terry and Arnold was 

2166
01:55:08,120 --> 01:55:12,160
saying that in in like media 
stuff afterwards that would. 

2167
01:55:12,200 --> 01:55:14,520
Be like FaceTime, Terry and 
during the coin flip. 

2168
01:55:14,520 --> 01:55:16,200
How does that All right now let 
me let me look. 

2169
01:55:16,200 --> 01:55:18,600
Let me look. 
Brock Bowers, Terry and. 

2170
01:55:18,600 --> 01:55:20,320
Arnold put the coin first before
you call him. 

2171
01:55:21,920 --> 01:55:23,240
I think we're going to draft 
Atarian and. 

2172
01:55:25,120 --> 01:55:27,080
Bummer. 
Yeah, yeah. 

2173
01:55:27,320 --> 01:55:30,440
Raiders Raiders draft Brock 
Bowers over Atarian Arnold, 

2174
01:55:31,240 --> 01:55:34,440
according to a coin flip. 
Oh my God, dude. 

2175
01:55:34,520 --> 01:55:36,080
And then and then Antonio 
Pierce. 

2176
01:55:36,120 --> 01:55:39,160
Antonio Pierce denied it. 
Oh. 

2177
01:55:39,760 --> 01:55:42,640
So what is he going if that coin
flip comes up the other way? 

2178
01:55:42,640 --> 01:55:45,520
Is Brock Bowers on the Rams? 
Is that the alternate reality? 

2179
01:55:46,360 --> 01:55:48,400
In In the perfect world, he's on
the Bengals. 

2180
01:55:48,400 --> 01:55:50,800
He goes to Elast to pick 18 and 
the Bengals take him. 

2181
01:55:51,400 --> 01:55:53,200
God. 
It's disgusting. 

2182
01:55:54,320 --> 01:55:56,640
Yeah, Michael Mayer, All I'll 
say I'm Mayer is like, I was 

2183
01:55:56,640 --> 01:55:59,720
trying to think of like the Trey
McBride archetype. 

2184
01:55:59,800 --> 01:56:02,960
And it's not a perfect one for 
one, but Mayer is the closest to

2185
01:56:02,960 --> 01:56:07,680
that in that he's second year 
tight end, a prospect we really 

2186
01:56:07,680 --> 01:56:10,640
liked at one point and is just 
completely buried. 

2187
01:56:10,640 --> 01:56:13,280
On a really uninspiring rookie 
year, 'cause that's the thing 

2188
01:56:13,280 --> 01:56:17,440
with with Trey McBride. 
Rod had a terrible rookie year. 

2189
01:56:17,640 --> 01:56:20,680
Yeah. 
So yeah, these small sample like

2190
01:56:20,680 --> 01:56:23,920
tight, I'm not reading too much 
into these small sample tight 

2191
01:56:23,920 --> 01:56:27,800
end rookie years. 
Mayor, The thing is like Mayor 

2192
01:56:27,800 --> 01:56:30,280
just needs the Bowers injury. 
But I agree with Ukraine that I 

2193
01:56:30,280 --> 01:56:34,920
think we'll have like a 40% 
route participation even if 

2194
01:56:34,920 --> 01:56:36,120
Bowers is. 
Healthy. 

2195
01:56:36,120 --> 01:56:38,560
It might be 35, yeah, but. 
It'll be. 

2196
01:56:38,640 --> 01:56:42,080
Just like. 
Yeah, it's, it's like definitely

2197
01:56:42,080 --> 01:56:45,120
a bad scenario, but not like 
you're totally dead to have him 

2198
01:56:45,120 --> 01:56:47,200
hit the line up on a couple 
touchdowns. 

2199
01:56:47,200 --> 01:56:52,200
But it yeah, it's basically a 
contingent play at that point. 

2200
01:56:52,880 --> 01:56:56,680
Yeah. 
All right, yeah, let's let's 

2201
01:56:56,680 --> 01:57:00,000
maybe summarize like going 
through the tight end. 

2202
01:57:00,000 --> 01:57:02,680
Let me get out of my paper bag 
and just summarize this podcast.

2203
01:57:03,200 --> 01:57:05,440
Yeah, just looking at our 
podcast. 

2204
01:57:06,800 --> 01:57:09,320
What an insane we didn't even 
mention Kade Stover. 

2205
01:57:11,000 --> 01:57:13,040
Oh God, what? 
What team is he even on? 

2206
01:57:13,440 --> 01:57:17,640
Come on, dude, Ohio State. 
You, you don't, you don't know 

2207
01:57:17,640 --> 01:57:21,920
about the Ohio State bias, bro. 
He's on, he's on the he's on the

2208
01:57:21,920 --> 01:57:23,160
Texans. 
He's on the Texans. 

2209
01:57:23,160 --> 01:57:28,320
He might be, he might be the, 
the dude who's making you curse.

2210
01:57:28,560 --> 01:57:31,640
You know, I got CJ Stroud after 
ADP, I got to take Dalton 

2211
01:57:31,640 --> 01:57:33,680
Schultz and Noah Brown. 
And then it's all of a sudden 

2212
01:57:33,680 --> 01:57:35,680
it's week eight and Kate 
Stover's running the routes. 

2213
01:57:35,920 --> 01:57:38,360
It does. 
It does seem like an OK year for

2214
01:57:38,360 --> 01:57:42,800
like like I I'm more interested 
in late round tight end in 

2215
01:57:42,800 --> 01:57:45,280
manage leagues after doing this.
Cause like there's a lot of 

2216
01:57:45,280 --> 01:57:48,440
stuff like show me week one, 
Like let me take a peek at this 

2217
01:57:48,440 --> 01:57:49,800
tight end room and this tight 
end room. 

2218
01:57:49,800 --> 01:57:51,880
And then all of a sudden like 
all the Bengals might be 

2219
01:57:51,880 --> 01:57:53,920
interesting. 
There's contingent value guys 

2220
01:57:53,920 --> 01:57:58,640
like can't you see us Davis 
FFPC, it's week 11. 

2221
01:57:59,200 --> 01:58:01,720
We're just like, empty, the clip
Brevin Jordan empty. 

2222
01:58:01,720 --> 01:58:07,560
The clip this is, there's gonna 
be Mike Asicki. 

2223
01:58:07,560 --> 01:58:09,840
Mike Asicki is out for four 
weeks. 

2224
01:58:09,840 --> 01:58:11,600
He, he hurts his wrist or 
something. 

2225
01:58:11,880 --> 01:58:15,320
And they've, they've put Eric 
all on the IR and it's like, 

2226
01:58:15,320 --> 01:58:19,720
dude, I, I just bid $411.00 on 
Tanner McLaughlin in the main 

2227
01:58:19,720 --> 01:58:22,240
event. 
Yes, I can see it. 

2228
01:58:23,040 --> 01:58:25,800
Yeah, I agree. 
And in the the Titan premium 

2229
01:58:25,800 --> 01:58:29,040
leagues, I think there's going 
to be like starting tight ends 

2230
01:58:29,040 --> 01:58:31,840
that don't get drafted and week 
one on waivers, you have going 

2231
01:58:31,840 --> 01:58:35,120
to have the chance to, I don't 
know, pick up Davis Allen, who's

2232
01:58:35,120 --> 01:58:38,480
surprisingly the starter for the
Rams or Tanner Hudson for the 

2233
01:58:38,480 --> 01:58:40,480
Bengals, right? 
Like, there's so many of these 

2234
01:58:40,480 --> 01:58:44,120
completely muddled situations 
that it's definitely worth 

2235
01:58:44,120 --> 01:58:47,280
monitoring. 
But let's let's let's give our 

2236
01:58:47,280 --> 01:58:50,320
favorite late round tight end 
bets. 

2237
01:58:50,320 --> 01:58:53,240
Let's cap the ADP at 1:50 and 
above. 

2238
01:58:53,240 --> 01:58:56,120
So Luke Musgrave is out, but 
Hunter Henry, all those other 

2239
01:58:56,120 --> 01:59:00,640
guys are in. 
What is your guys bet for, you 

2240
01:59:00,640 --> 01:59:05,280
know, most likely to be a top 
five tight end in per game 

2241
01:59:05,280 --> 01:59:08,720
scoring out of anybody who's 150
ADP and above? 

2242
01:59:08,720 --> 01:59:11,680
I'll start with Ukraine. 
Hunter, Henry. 

2243
01:59:13,880 --> 01:59:19,400
Yeah, if it was top ten, I would
say no, a fan, but I don't think

2244
01:59:19,400 --> 01:59:22,200
he's got top five in his range 
because he just can't get the 

2245
01:59:22,200 --> 01:59:26,600
raw number of targets. 
So I'll say jig, I'll I'll 

2246
01:59:26,600 --> 01:59:29,320
actually, I think I think we 
could just see like a a super. 

2247
01:59:29,360 --> 01:59:31,600
I mean, didn't he already have a
nine touchdown season? 

2248
01:59:32,200 --> 01:59:34,680
Or is that Jonny Smith? 
One of those two guys did have a

2249
01:59:34,680 --> 01:59:36,320
nine touchdown season for the 
Titans? 

2250
01:59:36,520 --> 01:59:39,720
I I'll say I'll say jig. 
He just randomly spikes like an 

2251
01:59:39,720 --> 01:59:42,880
11 touchdown year. 
Yeah. 

2252
01:59:42,880 --> 01:59:46,280
I mean, so the Hunter Henry 
thing, it is just basically just

2253
01:59:46,280 --> 01:59:49,760
a bet on May, but we have seen 
guys that we were excited about 

2254
01:59:49,760 --> 01:59:54,000
earlier in their careers, late 
in their careers turn in seasons

2255
01:59:54,000 --> 01:59:56,880
that, you know, we're like, oh, 
OK, Eric Ebron, you know. 

2256
01:59:57,560 --> 01:59:59,840
Henry was like, not bad last 
year either. 

2257
02:00:00,040 --> 02:00:02,200
He scored. 
He scored 6 receiving touchdowns

2258
02:00:02,200 --> 02:00:04,840
on a team that scored 23 
touchdowns total. 

2259
02:00:04,920 --> 02:00:07,240
On off Yeah. 
He's always been a high 

2260
02:00:07,240 --> 02:00:10,320
touchdown rate guy his whole. 
Year that's the other thing you 

2261
02:00:10,360 --> 02:00:15,520
you can count on him around the 
red zone completely again, it's 

2262
02:00:15,520 --> 02:00:18,120
mostly bet on May but like if 
you look at the depth chart at 

2263
02:00:18,120 --> 02:00:20,640
wide receiver as we know like 
we're we're drafting all these 

2264
02:00:20,720 --> 02:00:24,280
random guys at the end of the 
you know KJ Osborne is in the 

2265
02:00:24,280 --> 02:00:28,040
conversation like you know 
there's I have a baggage of Von 

2266
02:00:28,040 --> 02:00:31,560
Baker, but he might literally be
a zero like there's lots of 

2267
02:00:31,560 --> 02:00:34,640
targets available in this 
offense and he's just like he's 

2268
02:00:34,640 --> 02:00:35,680
gonna be out there running the 
routes. 

2269
02:00:35,680 --> 02:00:38,240
So the last couple years he had 
Jonnu Smith behind him and then 

2270
02:00:38,240 --> 02:00:41,920
Mike Asicki that guy's not there
anymore that dude who's like 

2271
02:00:41,920 --> 02:00:45,920
gonna take a bunch of his routes
uselessly like he's he's gonna 

2272
02:00:45,920 --> 02:00:47,520
be out there. 
I think I don't think he'll be 

2273
02:00:47,520 --> 02:00:50,440
like every snap like Otten or 
something, but I think he's 

2274
02:00:50,440 --> 02:00:54,200
probably and he's very safe for 
like 70% of the routes could be 

2275
02:00:54,200 --> 02:00:59,640
80% and you know, you're he's 
he's been like pretty good his 

2276
02:00:59,640 --> 02:01:03,280
whole career. 
So just like a a sneaky awesome 

2277
02:01:03,280 --> 02:01:07,080
set up for Henry, especially 
when you think about what the 

2278
02:01:07,080 --> 02:01:10,040
late season version of this team
could look like if May is good. 

2279
02:01:10,680 --> 02:01:14,080
Yeah, I think those are both 
good ones and and better than 

2280
02:01:14,080 --> 02:01:16,320
than mine. 
But the third name I throw out 

2281
02:01:16,320 --> 02:01:19,040
is is Johnny Smith. 
I think similar to Hunter Henry,

2282
02:01:19,200 --> 02:01:22,240
just a guy who's been pretty 
good his whole career. 

2283
02:01:22,400 --> 02:01:24,320
The big difference between 
Johnny and Henry is that 

2284
02:01:24,320 --> 02:01:28,160
Johnny's never earned the full 
time tight end role. 

2285
02:01:28,160 --> 02:01:31,760
So it's certainly a bit of a 
leap projecting that on Tim in 

2286
02:01:31,760 --> 02:01:33,920
Miami. 
But if he does like his per 

2287
02:01:33,920 --> 02:01:36,960
route numbers, could certainly 
get him there. 

2288
02:01:36,960 --> 02:01:40,240
Maybe you get a couple games 
where Tyreek or Waddle are down 

2289
02:01:40,240 --> 02:01:43,640
and he's kind of forced in as 
the second target earner in 

2290
02:01:43,640 --> 02:01:45,720
Miami. 
So yeah, I'll throw Jonny in 

2291
02:01:45,720 --> 02:01:47,720
there. 
Just wide open depth chart. 

2292
02:01:47,840 --> 02:01:49,760
Been a pretty good, efficient 
player. 

2293
02:01:49,960 --> 02:01:53,320
Hopefully he gets the role that 
he sort of hasn't hasn't fully 

2294
02:01:53,320 --> 02:01:57,120
got thus far in his NFL career. 
And you know, ADP value isn't 

2295
02:01:57,200 --> 02:01:59,600
huge at this point in the drop, 
but he goes like 30 picks after 

2296
02:01:59,600 --> 02:02:01,680
Henry. 
So yeah, I mean, he is. 

2297
02:02:01,680 --> 02:02:03,080
He is really, really well 
priced. 

2298
02:02:03,080 --> 02:02:05,640
I like Jonny a lot. 
It's just hard for me to take 

2299
02:02:05,640 --> 02:02:08,240
tertiary dolphins because I'm 
always having to cover up for 

2300
02:02:08,240 --> 02:02:10,720
week 6 buys. 
Just always having to. 

2301
02:02:10,720 --> 02:02:14,080
I'm always having to figure out 
week six buys so I'm just like, 

2302
02:02:14,080 --> 02:02:16,480
shit. 
Dude I've never once sweated a 

2303
02:02:16,480 --> 02:02:19,080
week 6 by week 14 buys. 
Good God. 

2304
02:02:19,440 --> 02:02:24,280
Well, the Week 6 by, the Week 6 
by is the Vikings, the Chiefs 

2305
02:02:24,280 --> 02:02:27,080
and the Dolphins, and I take 
players from those guys in the 

2306
02:02:27,200 --> 02:02:30,000
first six rounds a lot like 
probably every draft. 

2307
02:02:30,520 --> 02:02:33,640
Yeah. 
All right, well on the show, 

2308
02:02:33,640 --> 02:02:36,560
let's do the the game we always 
do. 

2309
02:02:36,680 --> 02:02:40,160
Biggest closing line value 
risers. 

2310
02:02:41,280 --> 02:02:43,560
Doesn't have to be tight ends. 
You gotta take a tight end. 

2311
02:02:44,600 --> 02:02:45,800
Should we do that? 
Gotta take a tight. 

2312
02:02:45,800 --> 02:02:46,720
End. 
Yeah, you gotta take a tight 

2313
02:02:46,760 --> 02:02:48,000
end. 
You gotta take a tight end all. 

2314
02:02:48,480 --> 02:02:50,160
Right. 
I'll let me go first, yeah. 

2315
02:02:50,960 --> 02:02:54,480
Please do. 
Fuck, why did I say that? 

2316
02:02:54,480 --> 02:02:55,000
I don't know. 
I'm gonna. 

2317
02:02:55,000 --> 02:02:55,920
Pick. 
Oh, I got it. 

2318
02:02:55,920 --> 02:02:58,080
I got one easy. 
Let me go before both you guys 

2319
02:02:58,080 --> 02:03:01,600
'cause I have the fucking clear 
answer, which is Brock Bowers. 

2320
02:03:01,600 --> 02:03:04,080
Brock Bowers. 
I know I was gonna pick Bowers. 

2321
02:03:04,120 --> 02:03:06,080
He's gonna. 
I almost took him but I got I 

2322
02:03:06,080 --> 02:03:08,560
he's. 
Gonna catch a 27 yard swing pass

2323
02:03:08,560 --> 02:03:11,440
in the first preseason game and 
he's gonna go ahead of Kyle 

2324
02:03:11,440 --> 02:03:13,240
Pitts. 
I mean, you could just write 

2325
02:03:13,240 --> 02:03:15,520
that. 
You can get that tattooed on 

2326
02:03:15,520 --> 02:03:17,320
yourself right now. 
It's a lock. 

2327
02:03:17,920 --> 02:03:19,600
I mean, we can. 
We can all admit that Brock 

2328
02:03:19,600 --> 02:03:22,120
Bowers is definitely a better 
NFL player than Kyle Pitts, 

2329
02:03:22,120 --> 02:03:24,960
right? 
I don't know if I I don't think 

2330
02:03:24,960 --> 02:03:28,160
I would say that, but I know 
beyond a shadow of a doubt he is

2331
02:03:28,160 --> 02:03:32,440
going to get a minimum of three 
lay UPS per game that Kyle Pitts

2332
02:03:32,560 --> 02:03:35,440
will never get. 
He'll never get the the easy 7 

2333
02:03:35,440 --> 02:03:38,880
yard crossers that that Brock is
going to get or are. 

2334
02:03:39,080 --> 02:03:41,680
Has Kyle Pitts ever been thrown 
a screen in the NFLI? 

2335
02:03:41,680 --> 02:03:43,160
Don't think so. 
Bowers. 

2336
02:03:43,200 --> 02:03:44,840
Is going to get looking it up. 
Never. 

2337
02:03:44,840 --> 02:03:46,680
Yeah, he's, he's going to get. 
He's bad. 

2338
02:03:46,760 --> 02:03:48,880
Like watch Kyle Pitts after the 
catch. 

2339
02:03:48,960 --> 02:03:54,840
She's like, he's bad at it. 
I don't know, I've been fully 

2340
02:03:55,080 --> 02:03:57,880
Jacob Sanderson pilled on ever 
since he bullied me on that 

2341
02:03:57,880 --> 02:03:59,960
podcast and. 
This Yeah, Sanderson, like, 

2342
02:03:59,960 --> 02:04:01,400
because he's Canadian, he's 
nice. 

2343
02:04:01,400 --> 02:04:03,680
He's like a genuinely nice guy. 
But when he bullies you, it's 

2344
02:04:03,680 --> 02:04:05,920
extremely effective. 
Like I've never. 

2345
02:04:06,160 --> 02:04:08,320
He's a he's a very convincing 
man, yeah. 

2346
02:04:09,520 --> 02:04:12,040
Yeah, all right, Crayon. 
You got another another riser. 

2347
02:04:13,200 --> 02:04:20,400
God I I don't this. 
I'll, I'll look for one. 

2348
02:04:20,400 --> 02:04:23,200
I'll I'll take a swing here. 
I'm taking big cuts this game. 

2349
02:04:23,600 --> 02:04:25,920
TJ Hawkinson. 
Maybe we just get. 

2350
02:04:26,120 --> 02:04:28,440
No, like through good reports. 
You're so right. 

2351
02:04:28,600 --> 02:04:31,600
Exactly like last year, Zach 
Ertz was supposed to be out for 

2352
02:04:31,600 --> 02:04:35,800
a while coming off his ACL tear 
and was just like back week one 

2353
02:04:35,800 --> 02:04:38,400
and the starter, right? 
Obviously that that failed on 

2354
02:04:38,400 --> 02:04:41,120
the stretch. 
But what if like Hawkinson just 

2355
02:04:41,120 --> 02:04:43,360
beats the timelines? 
We get a good report. 

2356
02:04:43,880 --> 02:04:47,880
I think the upside on his ADP is
a lot higher and I definitely 

2357
02:04:47,880 --> 02:04:51,040
can see it going the other way. 
But you know, I'm I'm not trying

2358
02:04:51,040 --> 02:04:53,280
to finish second in this closing
line value game, trying to 

2359
02:04:53,280 --> 02:04:55,440
finish first. 
So I'll take a big cut with 

2360
02:04:55,440 --> 02:04:56,800
Hawkinson. 
Hope hopefully we get some good 

2361
02:04:56,800 --> 02:04:59,280
reports. 
All right, I'm going to go with 

2362
02:04:59,280 --> 02:05:04,040
a guy that I'm actually not that
excited about it at a rising 

2363
02:05:04,040 --> 02:05:06,160
price. 
We've fallen actually slightly 

2364
02:05:06,160 --> 02:05:11,720
behind on him, behind ADP on him
at legendary upside, but it's 

2365
02:05:11,720 --> 02:05:15,760
kind of the Dontavian Wicks mold
of I've yet to hear a bear case 

2366
02:05:15,840 --> 02:05:18,920
on him. 
No a fan, no a fan. 

2367
02:05:18,920 --> 02:05:22,200
We're all, we're doing the Ouija
board thing where we all just 

2368
02:05:22,200 --> 02:05:26,280
kind of push no a fan up and 
there's no countervailing force.

2369
02:05:27,200 --> 02:05:31,800
Well, no, the to be fair, I 
think the fan thing is mostly 

2370
02:05:31,800 --> 02:05:34,880
content creators who do 
projections and things the the 

2371
02:05:34,880 --> 02:05:37,280
chat does not see. 
Any time I talk about no a fan 

2372
02:05:37,280 --> 02:05:39,920
on these shows our our friends 
in the chat are like dude, are 

2373
02:05:39,920 --> 02:05:41,560
you kidding me? 
The fourth option on the 

2374
02:05:41,560 --> 02:05:43,440
Seahawks? 
Like they're not into it. 

2375
02:05:43,800 --> 02:05:46,760
All right, maybe it's a bad 
pick, but he's I could see him 

2376
02:05:46,760 --> 02:05:49,480
just kind of getting continually
steamed by content creators 

2377
02:05:49,480 --> 02:05:53,400
until it's ridiculous. 
The narrative is just too clean,

2378
02:05:53,400 --> 02:05:58,240
like the the David and Joku 
comparisons, like the Eric Ebron

2379
02:05:58,240 --> 02:06:00,040
comparisons, like it's just such
a clean. 

2380
02:06:00,520 --> 02:06:02,560
It's a clean for him. 
Yep. 

2381
02:06:04,320 --> 02:06:08,880
All right, guys, Davis, I know 
you got some streams coming up 

2382
02:06:08,880 --> 02:06:10,920
tomorrow. 
I think I'm joining you on one. 

2383
02:06:11,360 --> 02:06:16,440
Anything else you got going on? 
Yep, streams, best ball and 

2384
02:06:16,440 --> 02:06:19,920
dynasty rankings are are updated
on the Patreon if you guys want 

2385
02:06:19,920 --> 02:06:21,560
to check. 
Actually just actually, I just 

2386
02:06:21,560 --> 02:06:24,480
did an article today about some 
of the guys I'm I'm scrolling 

2387
02:06:24,480 --> 02:06:26,760
the F down for including Lucas 
Kroll. 

2388
02:06:26,760 --> 02:06:30,160
I, I, I buried my own lead here.
I gave away the Lucas Kroll 

2389
02:06:30,640 --> 02:06:34,560
alpha for him being a seven-year
college player and a nepo baby 

2390
02:06:35,160 --> 02:06:37,120
for free here here on the 
stream. 

2391
02:06:37,120 --> 02:06:39,080
But yeah, you'll you'll be on 
the stream tomorrow noon 

2392
02:06:39,080 --> 02:06:42,080
central. 
Sam's coming on, Neil Orfield's 

2393
02:06:42,080 --> 02:06:43,480
coming on and Levitan's coming 
on. 

2394
02:06:44,560 --> 02:06:46,920
Don't worry, the Tanner 
McLaughlin Alpha's behind the 

2395
02:06:46,920 --> 02:06:48,600
pay. 
That's behind the paywall. 

2396
02:06:48,760 --> 02:06:52,000
That's for Subs only. 
Yeah, Cade Stover, you got a 

2397
02:06:52,080 --> 02:06:54,480
Deanne Davis. 
You got to Venmo him to to get 

2398
02:06:54,480 --> 02:06:55,880
that Intel. 
Correct. 

2399
02:06:57,000 --> 02:07:01,160
Crane anything legendary upside 
you want to tell people about? 

2400
02:07:01,960 --> 02:07:04,320
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We've got Best Ball rankings. 

2401
02:07:04,800 --> 02:07:08,320
We've got lots of content coming
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2402
02:07:08,320 --> 02:07:09,800
I'm working on like three 
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2403
02:07:09,800 --> 02:07:12,800
Hopefully I'll get some writing 
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2404
02:07:12,800 --> 02:07:16,520
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2406
02:07:20,960 --> 02:07:25,400
All right, And we'll be back 
next week, I believe, with JJ 

2407
02:07:25,400 --> 02:07:27,440
Zachary Reeson. 
So that'll be a much better 

2408
02:07:27,440 --> 02:07:29,680
episode. 
This will say eat your 

2409
02:07:29,680 --> 02:07:32,920
vegetables episode here. 
Eat your vegetables. 

2410
02:07:33,120 --> 02:07:36,160
The only I guarantee you this is
the only fantasy podcast that's 

2411
02:07:36,160 --> 02:07:39,120
spent 10 minutes on a giant 
tight end wrasse. 

2412
02:07:39,240 --> 02:07:41,120
The entire. 
Offseason festivals are 

2413
02:07:41,120 --> 02:07:42,360
nutritious. 
At least I mean. 

2414
02:07:43,720 --> 02:07:46,800
You did not need to know about 
Lawrence Cager's college career.

2415
02:07:46,840 --> 02:07:48,360
You really? 
Didn't I did not need to pull up

2416
02:07:48,400 --> 02:07:50,720
Drew Ogletree's. 
Statue this year. 

2417
02:07:51,160 --> 02:07:54,360
Who was The Who was the tight 
end you touted early on that I 

2418
02:07:54,360 --> 02:07:56,280
can't even remember behind 
McBride? 

2419
02:07:57,000 --> 02:07:58,760
Tip Ryman bro. 
Tip Ryman I've. 

2420
02:07:58,880 --> 02:08:00,400
Wiped that name from. 
My man, I did not. 

2421
02:08:00,640 --> 02:08:02,040
I did not. 
I did OK. 

2422
02:08:02,040 --> 02:08:06,280
I did not tout Tip Ryman, I 
merely pointed out that he was 

2423
02:08:06,280 --> 02:08:10,000
the 3rd tight end drafted and he
put him in the non. 

2424
02:08:10,080 --> 02:08:13,760
Berated Stamp about 
inappropriately listing Chip 

2425
02:08:13,760 --> 02:08:15,240
Ryman. 
That wasn't sufficiently. 

2426
02:08:15,480 --> 02:08:20,000
All right, it's over. 
See you guys. 

2427
02:08:20,320 --> 02:08:21,160
Chip chasing.