Much like Alexander the Great's generals tried to get him to
March home after the revolt of the Hellenic army, Jacob
Sanderson and Pat Kurain are going to try and get me to stop
drafting Keaton Mitchell. But also much like Alexander the
Great, time will ultimately prove me correct.
That and more and ADPJ said. ADP chasing is for when you
watch ship chasing you go these guys are just football guys.
I have my 4% exposure blanket. Stay poor, actually.
Back in if it's Austinette. It's here to our crystal ball.
close your eyes. You know all your entries are
going to lose anyway. Yeah.
That's fair. You're.
Not going to tell me all this way.
I was here. It's anti cabal.
It's anti the best ball thought leader.
I'm obviously lying to some degree because like, I have a
lot of both of these guys. It's the most disgusting thing
you can make, but. Man.
There's really something there with the fact that all of
Alexander the Great's generals were older than him because they
were all basically his dad's captains who, you know, went
with him across the entire known universe.
There's some kind of slaps this left wing, right wing, young
versus old thing that we haven't quite mined yet.
Wouldn't that make me the Alexander Great of this program
and you guys are my generals? But for me, conceptually I.
Went I was like, literally like Alexander.
The Great and Chope is our general.
Oh. Shope's definitely a general I
got I. Mean, I think that's Chope Shope
knew Philip the second of Mastodon for sure.
I mean, I think, I think we could.
I think we can just say he. Actually just calls him Philip
and he lets you guess whether that's Philip the second of
Mastodon or or not. I'm imagine, I'm anticipating.
I just imagine anticipating that Shope is going to put this on
later and he's already said OK. OK, OK, OK.
Certainly. So I, I mean, before we get to
the slides, I do want to bring one thing up.
First off, there probably are. I'm gonna guess.
There first, 'cause he is, he is actually at the the Sabres game,
right? Yes, Shop Shop is literally
about to see something that the city of Buffalo has never seen,
which is a playoff win in a series.
So shop has and King Phillip the Second has.
Those are the only yeah. When When is?
When is the last time the Buffalo Sabres won a playoff
series not made because it was the longest postseason drought
in American? Sports history, like the Briere
era, they definitely won some playoff series.
I'm I'm gonna guess it was like 12 years ago.
I don't know offhand. That's a long time.
Last playoff series win it was oh Oh my God it was way longer
than I thought. It's been 19 years, according to
Google. Mother of God, there are people.
Who are gonna play 1007? So so here's the deal.
There's someone who's gonna enter best Ball Mania seven who
was not born the last time the Buffalo Sabres won a postseason.
The postings here Shout out to Dominic Koshik.
I'm in. I'm in the market for a a
vintage Dominic Koshik goat head Sabres jersey.
So if anyone. 'Cause that's the Sabres player.
I thought that was like a a 19 year old that you knew who was
going to go ahead and answer best bombing.
History. Oh yeah, he hadn't even made it
in 15 years, so Oh my God. No, he is.
He is an all time goalie legend. He doesn't.
Know who Dom and Akashic is? Let.
Let it go. We'll leave it be.
Leave it be. We can't.
No, it is. It is.
Really like like if I try to
pick the exact same era and the same tier of player it would be
like not. Knowing Calvin Johnson is.
Steve Young? Yeah, it would be like not
knowing who Steve Young is. Like like the world revolved
around Dominic Koshik in like 19.
Not my world buddy, he. He like took the bill, he took
the Sabres all the way, like single handedly basically to the
Stanley Cup finals and won the Olympic.
Gold as a goalie. Republic.
Yes, you can take he really was he really was that good if you.
Just never let in a goal then like your team will win.
Oh. He'll five people are saying.
He was, he was like so dominant and like and then the like.
The Czech Republic won the gold medal that year at the Olympics.
Because the chats packing me up, the only goalie I can remember
is Patrick Roy from Avalanche. I've heard well.
First off, Patrick Roy. Real real, real.
Not ball, though, because it's Patrick.
Woah. Well, I've heard of Patrick Roy
too. That might be from a different
thing. I've heard of Patrick Roy.
I'm very familiar with Patrick Roy.
I'll tell you all about Roy. Oh my God.
Listen, did I, did I hear a lot of game on TV because I wasn't
watching? But I've I've seen Patrick Roy
spelled out before, I'll tell you that.
That's that's so good, that's so good there, there.
So I realized there's got to be at least 10 people sitting here
right now who did just watch us do an hour and a half on dynasty
rookies and they're like fucking can't wait for more.
Can't wait for more of these three chumps 'cause I just put
it, I just put it out Korain on our channels like literally like
two hours ago. So let's go ahead.
I, I do have a, a Keaton Mitchell bombshell later on in
the program that I'm going to drop, but we can go ahead and
start with the slides of which I mean basically quiet.
Am I louder now? Something.
Is the same. You were really quiet on our
rookie stream. I was turning, I, I don't, but I
was turning the volume down when Davis was talking because I was
hurting my ears. Many, many such cases.
Many, many, many such. Cases, How are you doing now?
You're you're better, Pat. You're better, Pat.
Sorry, Jacob. So we have Vrabel and Rossini.
I can now. Hear you now.
Looks like I've heard of Patrick Roy.
I, I don't know how you guys feel about this.
I I tend to like make it a part of my personality to not care
about the current thing. Like when I find the current
thing annoying I I become even more annoying by being like I
don't even care about that dude. Like who would care about this
current thing when you could read a book from 1955?
Like I'm that annoying type of guy.
I do find this current thing so unbelievable in terms of the
digital footprint that I can't help but actually be interested
in this current thing. What the fuck were these people
doing? There is there is a a digital
footprint the likes of which I have not seen for this affair.
Yeah, I guess what I would say I don't know.
I think I I'm pulling the you on this a little bit where like I
the initial story breaks and I'm like, wow, OK.
And we did a whole week, covered it, but I haven't been that.
It seems like they were sort of like not hiding this very well
and doing it for a long time. Like a long time.
Yeah, but I guess I've got I've been letting it kind of, I've
been kind of like it's one of those things where like I'll
enough of this will get to me without me ever kind of digging
into stuff. You know what I mean?
Passive exposure. I'm getting passive exposure to
this story. I I haven't since the initial
stuff. That's all I've been handling.
I know the genre stribling in my rookie drafts.
It's like, yeah, exactly, but. But if he if he goes at the two
O 4 it's not my problem. Right, right.
If you time out on a pic at the two O 8, maybe you'll have a a
share. But yeah, that's kind of where
I'm at. Makes sense.
I think that what's become clear over the course of several days
is that her husband was the affair.
Yeah. Like she, she was actually in
love with Mike Vrabel and cheated on Mike Vrabel with her
husband. Yeah, Yeah.
I, I don't, I, I don't disagree with that.
I, I would like to say I, I've now moved my position to this.
I actually think if you allowed me an even money wager, who's
coaching the New England Patriots week 1?
I I think I'm taking Vrabel no for for even money because my
guess is. I'd take variable, yes.
You take variable yes at even money.
At what price would you? At what price would you join my
side? I'd put variable yes at about
-270. So you think it's like 85%
probability? I would give, yeah, can we do
probabilities because I hate having a cover.
I would say he's about 80% chance to to be the weak one.
I don't know, dude, because it's just that there's, there's more.
It's more and more every day. And I overtook -180 on variable.
Rabel yes or Rabel no Mac noba. I think that's got to be a
Rabel, yes, if he's saying they just if.
They didn't just go to the Super Bowl.
Guys. I have like bad news about like
the NFL and what they give a shit about.
He's going to be the coach. He's going to be the coach.
It's his choice. Like it would be his decision to
step away. So, so Pete.
I think there is some chance of, but I don't think they're not
going to force him. Out Pete said this on the
Swalcast and I was like holy shit.
Like it could be like his last ditch effort to save his
marriage. Like maybe he's like this all is
too fucked up. Like how much does he care?
About his marriage, I mean like clearly not that much.
I I like if it was if I was Mike Vrabel and I'd been cheating on
my wife for six years and my choice was football team or the
wife I've been cheating, I'm choosing football team.
He's choosing football team guys.
Yeah. Like, yeah, I think it's more
likely. Like if, if we were to put, I'll
tell you what I wouldn't take -180 on is, is Vrabel not
getting divorced? Like, in fact, I I might bet on
the divorce side of that ankle, but I'm more inclined to bet on
divorce than resignation. Kalche would never put up
something like Mike Vrabel's divorce, though.
They have no. Surely they would.
Sure. Surely.
Do surely they have I mean, that's that would be gross.
They wouldn't do. Can you bet on that right now?
Let's. See, I mean, I'm sure.
Mike Vrabel. Of course, I think the other
thing with Vrabel, this is a man who coached the Titans, you
know, two what, a 14 win season, one seed type of thing at way
more success than they ever really had a right to have.
And then it it crumbles. He's forced out.
He has to take a year off. He gets to the the Patriots job
after someone else already looked like an asshole trying to
replace trying to replace Belichick and he gets Drake May
and they go to the Super Bowl in his first year.
He's not giving this shit up. He's not like I, I, I just, I
would be pretty surprised if he yeah, if it's the marriage or
the Patriots. I, I think this man at this
point, he's picking the head coaching gig.
He's not going to do better than this.
He said he would cut off his Dick for a Super Bowl.
He wouldn't. He wouldn't leave his wife for
one. I think he in some ways to your
point, he's already kind of left the wife right like this.
Isn't that big of a fan of his home life right like.
Yeah. You know.
So. Anyway.
I don't, I don't, I don't disagree.
I don't disagree. I just to me, what it is, is
that the crisis management has been so poor and like
everything, everything he's done has been like more laughable and
more bad. Like the of all the meaningless
gestures, I would put Mike Frabel, skipping day three of
the NFL draft, go to counseling with his family, up there with
Nancy Pelosi taking a knee in a dashiki, putting her.
In terms of. Just like full full full
pointlessness in terms of the the thing itself meant nothing
and was simply just a gesture for the pure fucking.
Pardon, I really want the Photoshop of Mike Vrabel on top
of Nancy Pelosi's face. In Menard, at least he did it
off off camera. You know, if if Nancy Pelosi
would like gone, you know, like at least he didn't post of him
post himself in counseling. You know, that's the I saw kudos
that I saw. Patriots Some Patriots writer or
radio host. They started referring to the
Patriots group of day three picks as the Rossini 8.
Yeah, that's really, really good.
That's pretty good. Really good.
Nope. Nope.
Coming back from this in the locker room for our our friend
Patrick Roy here. Yeah.
The is isn't there. I don't know that.
I guess that would be the other thing we haven't talked about
was like. I would assume.
We're famous like it's his choice.
If he loses the locker room completely, it wouldn't be but.
I thoughts. Look, I'm just going to say I
don't think NFL players are. NFL players are like
professionally non monogamous, yeah.
Like I I think that NFL players have a a high cheat rate over
expectation. I don't know for sure, but if I
had to guess. I would take the NBA over the
NFL there. OK.
I think, I think you would be. I actually think you'd be
surprised. Really.
Yeah. I I'm not sure I think you
would. I mean this, this lock, like
Stefan Diggs seemed beloved in the locker room.
I don't think he's like has a big interest in monogamy it.
Wasn't, I mean they did cut it. There's, you know, there is
more. There is more religious
fundamentalism in the National Football League than the NBA,
but that can also be that can be a double sided sword as it turns
to well as it pertains to adultery, that could be a double
edged sword. All right, yeah, I'll give you
the floor. We can finish.
Rabel, we're standing.
On this, my last question was just going to be that if I'm
wrong and Pat's wrong and Rabel does step away, does that mean
they wouldn't trade for A.J. Brown anymore because he's the
one with the connection? I I just think it at this point,
you, I, you got to have brain worms if you really think A.J.
Brown to New England is all because of like a mid level
athletic reporters like Benet Jesuit behind the scenes
machinations. Well, I don't think it's because
of that, but I think it's it's that Vrabel coached him before
and is probably advocated for trading for him and wants to
trade for him. But if he's no longer the
decision maker, then I. Like I I'm sure Josh McDaniels.
Plus Josh McDaniels are is in on A.J.
Brown probably. So I'm sure that Josh McDaniels
would love to draw plays for A.J.
Brown instead of Romeo Dubs. Yeah, probably true.
OK all but official A.J. Brown to New England.
How are we playing the eagles passing game?
I actually had a come to Jesus moment Karain after our rookie
show that you guys can go watch on the legendary upside or the
dynastymatic channel. I'm actually now folded off my.
What's done Tavian Wicks in the cuck chair while you had that
come to Jesus moment? I I actually some of Zach's best
work. It's actually all about Stowers.
I think that. Wait, when did you have this
realization? We just talked about stours like
earlier today and you were out. After, afterwards, afterwards, I
was, I was, I was eating my I was eating my dinner and I was
thinking about Eli sours as I often am doing.
And I, I've realized that the pick of stours and just more how
didn't you guys feel like every time a, a a pick was way
earlier, a guy was not on the consensus board.
It was a tight end every time. You were like this team.
Except, except for Stowers, 'cause he's not a tight end.
But yeah, all the actual tight ends did come off a lot earlier
than I thought. Nate Borgacher.
Nate Borgacher, Marlin Klein. Marlin Klein.
Yeah. So that is telling me two
things. First thing it's telling me is
the NFL is absolutely continuing their March into 12 and 13
personnel as a way to combat some of these defensive
packages. The second thing it's telling me
as it pertains specifically to the Philadelphia Eagles is they
are want to throw out of that package.
I think in which case, Eli Stowers.
Why can't Eli Stowers just be quiz Watkins but with tight end
eligibility and and with the lower A dot?
Because Stowers playing and Goddard playing makes it it, it
doesn't fit as cleanly because it takes Lemon, who's an elite
slot prospect, and forces him on the outside where he may or may
not be as good and leads to an alignment that results in two
very, very undersized outside receivers in Lemon and Smith.
And so I I it's like. Why don't why don't vacuum
relitigate your tweet about him as the ex follow follow?
Well, look. I mean, if that was my, that was
my initial thought when they made the pick, I was like, maybe
the Eagles are, are one of the the rumored unknown teams that
we're evaluating them purely as a receiver.
And he's actually the A.J. Brown replacement.
He's going to play. That's just not how they've
talked about the pick. They've talked about him as a
tight end. So I, I think it will be like
Smith obviously is gonna play one of the outside receiver
positions and I think we'll see a lot of Wix at X, Smith at Z,
Lemon at F and Goddard at Y. Maybe we'll see a little bit of
stours subbing in for Goddard. I, I think Pat was more into
that than I am. And then we'll probably see them
at least experiment with stours at the.
I think we'll see some of that. Smith on the outside.
I don't see think we'll see a ton of that.
I think we'll mostly see like Stours in kind of a Dalton
Kincaidy type of role. Hey, hey.
A a year, 1A year one. I'm into Stowers as a 151617 to
18th round pick. If you tell me I'm getting a
Dalton Kincaidy style role. I I know you're not Jacob.
I know, I know, I know. Yeah.
I think we are and. I think the big difference, the
big difference between the Dalton I know, but the current
iteration of a Dalton Kincaid role includes a lot of in line
snaps on 3rd downs and two-minute rolls and obvious
passing situations because the the other tight ends he's with
is like a complete non pass catchers.
But Goddard isn't that like Goddard, Goddard is a completely
reasonable pass catching tight end.
So I don't, I don't know that he just goes to the bench for sours
in those situations. Like if we're, if we're looking
purely at Kincaid's snaps when he split off the line, that that
becomes a much worse role. Like I'm with my clay that looks
right to. Me, I, I, so I, I was, this is
what I was, this is what I was gonna get too.
So two things here. I would probably take the over
on 473 for total targets. I would probably take the slight
under on 57 for Barkley. I would probably take the under
on 28 for Hollywood Brown as the 4th wide receiver.
And so I think if you do I, and I know this is a bad way to do
projections, but around the margins, I think I can get that
to A50 target median, which is obviously a useless player. 50
targets completely useless, right?
And that's not what I'm arguing for.
But then he turns into in in our game.
If you believe that Stowers is good, which I do, if that's not
your prior, then you're gonna have a totally different opinion
that then he becomes a potential spike week guy with like obvious
one to one kind of insane level contingent value where he can
kind of just be the wide receiver too, depending on and
also part of this has to deal with like how do you view the
lemon? Yeah, because I said to become
better than lemon. That's what I was, that's what I
was just getting to is it depends on how you feel about
Lemon, and it also depends how you feel about Lemon's fit with
Hertz. Well, I would feel the reasons
I'd feel bad about Lemons fit with Hertz also would apply to
Stours, right? Like it's they have a similar
route tree. So I don't love Lemons fit with
Hertz, but I wouldn't love the fit of anyone working over the
middle of the field with Hertz. But I feel a lot better about
Lemon as a slot receiver than Stours as a slot receiver.
Like, I mean, I think he's just if we're, if we're greeting them
as receivers like Lemons, clearly the better prospect that
I think even even Pat would agree with that.
Oh yeah, I like lemon. I think maybe more than you'd I.
I've debated putting lemon over Tyson.
I I had lemon over. Tate I didn't do that.
I. I had him at 2:00.
Oh, you have Lemon at Tate, so maybe you.
Just had the inverse one and three.
I was Tyson Lemon Tate. You were Tate Lemon.
Tyson this this landing spot is just bumming me out so hard
'cause it's such a it's. Tate, Tyson Lemon.
Yeah. It's such a sick beat to to
spike really good draft capital of a guy you loved, but then for
him to not immediately get fantasy points like that is
that's such a bummer. Like if if instead of the
Jaguars taking a fake offensive lineman who's never caught a
pass, imagine they took Eli's towers instead.
It'd be so much easier to sell myself on, would it?
I said. I said to me, not not to the
fantasy community writ large, but to me, yes.
Is Goddard better than Strange? Maybe not at this stage of their
career. I don't know.
It's, I think, got its presence. Might be OK, It might be he's.
He's an old man, all right. The thing with.
Yes. Yeah, the what another way to
kind of frame this is like so Chica Conquo last year played 17
games. He was at 64% around
participation. Gunnar Helm was at 40%.
I think you could, you could like probably flip that and then
maybe maybe increase both a little because they they're
going to be out of less 11, right?
They had a bunch of 11 with DK running a lot of routes there.
You know the 3%. Rap participation.
So this is a team I think will run a lot more 12.
But I would I would compare Gotter to Gunnar Helm as the
traditional inline tight end. But I would compare Gotter to a
conquo in the sense that he'll be the lead of the two.
But I, I, there's like a number of ways where you get, I don't
think you have to squint hard at all to get stats.
Around, I think he. Could outplay him some in
certain situations down the stretch.
I don't think Stowers is as clear like a a bet as fanon was
last year. And I don't think he's as good a
bet to like just take the job as Shannon down the stretch.
I think he's much more likely to be in.
Yeah, it's it's a similar type of bet.
The dissimilarity is that is that the Browns had nobody at
receiver. It was Judy who is not that
good. And then like literal nobodies,
like guys who will not even play any snaps this year in the NFL.
Isaiah Bond off the off. Whereas.
The Eagles have, yeah. The Eagles have two good wide
receivers and the complicating factor is that they have two
good wide receivers, neither of whom should really be playing X
wide receiver. And so I think, I think my
biggest disagreement is I would, I would guess that I'm way
higher on the Wix projected snaps this year than you end up
being. OK.
I mean, is Wix a natural X? Yeah.
Is he?
I thought he's more of AZ, maybe I'm wrong.
No, he's, I mean he, he, he projects to me as an X like he's
better versus man than he is versus zone.
And he's got size. He he played all three positions
in Green Bay because he was kind of a fill in.
But when they gone to be in Wix is that he's really fucking the
X. Receiver.
Yeah. 'Cause like I, I just think
their best alignment is Wix X Smith Z Lemon slot, Goddard
tight end. That's what I think is their
best. 4I mean they're not going to have all four like Lock.
I don't think that's their best four.
I think that's the the maybe the four that makes the most sense
from like a skill set standpoint.
But like, I think Stowers pretty soon is going to be better than
Dante and Wix. I don't think.
I think by the end of his rookie season he will be a better
football player than Dante Van Wicks.
So maybe getting your best 4 has someone kind of playing a little
out of position, but it's still be their best four players.
And if a, a good offensive coordinator can find ways to fix
that, right? I, I mean, this is like, we, we
know this, right? A good offensive coordinator can
find ways to, to mark those things.
So these are the riders, these are the risers.
It's a very interesting thing. I don't know, Corrine, maybe you
would have a better memory of this if they actually do this
every year instead of just carrying over the AB.
PS What they did was they just did a reset like they did for
the big board. Like these are just fresh and
they're not Hayden's ranking. So we can't even just straight
blame Hayden. At least I I, I don't, I don't
believe. Come on, Hayden.
Come on.
Well, Woody Marks. Woody marks a suspicious riser.
So maybe, Maybe Hayden. Come on this game.
Somewhere so we have Devonta Smith, Braylon Allen, JCM,
Sharps, Woody Marks. Funny for Sharps to be riser
when he was like got dinged the most of anyone, Menung Guy,
Spears and Rice. We already talked about Devonta.
I think we have, frankly, we've done enough Braylon Allen talk
on the history of this program. Everyone's Braylon Allen opinion
is very, very, very well like. You guys have anything else to
say about Braylon Allen that has not already been said on this
program? Well, you like.
Why did you open with an? ADP Why did you open with an ADP
that was 50 slots higher than his closing?
Like I'm just confused from a technological standpoint why
that was the case. I.
I I have I have literally no idea it.
Seems like there was some manual adjustments on some of them.
Yeah, so the reason why he's I have like. 22% of him pre draft
and then I was like oh he's 50 picks higher now I guess.
Not going to. Have as much this is just how I
did my I haven't done my new market bake when when he pulled
these. So when I when I do a new market
bake, he'll be he'll be higher correct.
And that's it's the same with JCMII.
Just need to and, and in fact, I actually think these are stale
because I just did another run this morning.
I think Jacob's ranking on JCM is correct.
I'm the low man on JCM. I I'm going to go fix that
basically immediately because I'm not scared of Rashad White.
I'm not. Particularly scared than JCM for
what it's worth I think. Yeah, I prefer white as well.
Speak on that. You got you.
Just it was just the absence of Jeremiah Love on this team now
opens up so many potential paths to value for the two of those
guys. Do you think they both should go
ahead of it where they're going right now?
Yeah, by a lot. So I have them both way ahead
ADP, although they're both I expect gonna continue rising and
I expect that I might not be ahead of ADP on them for long,
but for now I am. I have I have JCM one O 9 and
then I have white up at one O 6 and I could maybe move them both
up a little bit as they go up because I'm doing some market
baking in with those. I just think that the K Tron
pick, I mean, first of all, it might be completely irrelevant,
right? He's around six pick like so
like maybe he's like literally never active on game day all
year. But if he's coming for anyone's
such as he's coming for JCM's touches because him and white
have about 0 crossover. So with White, I think he is
pretty safe in his role at the very least, even if he doesn't
get any of the early down stuff, at the very least you're getting
all the pass down work as an absolute floor.
And he wouldn't be a very good pick at like 127 if he's only
the passing down back. But he wouldn't be a disaster.
You know, like you get something for that price and then you get
the chance that he becomes their every down back kind of for
free, which I think is non 0. So whereas JCM you're the floor
is is 0, right? Like white could come for his
early down touches. K Tron could come for his early
down touches. So I think the path is a little
bit narrower. You're I give him better odds of
holding the early down roll than white, but he is dead if that's
not correct. And and I think from like a
range of outcomes perspective, Whites is overall a little bit
better. I tell you what, I I also am not
sure that JCM has that much sealing.
Like he's kind of an early down guy.
He was a committee runner last year.
Like I they still have Mcnichols.
They still, I think they still have Jerome Ford.
They still have, you know, they just drafted Allen.
So and this is, you know, a team that's been with Brian Robinson
a couple years ago very much kind of just like committee
throwing a bunch of guys out there.
I don't, I would be pretty surprised if they committed to
JCM even it's like an early down workhorse, you know, with like a
third down back. Like I, I think we're very
likely looking at a committee here of some sort.
And that hurts JCMA little bit on both the floor and the
ceiling, especially if Rashad White's going to be the
receiving back. And by the way, if he's not,
it'll be Mcnichols. So there's really not a great
path for, for JCM And around once he moves up a little bit
more, I think I'll probably be out.
He he's OK. He's OK where he is now.
But yeah, the the more he moves up, the more I'm just kind of
like, Nah, like you're not paying that much more for, you
know, like Tony Pollard or whatever.
And he's like, that's what you hope JCM becomes, you know, so.
Yeah, I, I agree with that. Like I, I have my JCM bags very
packed from pre draft stuff. I'm, I'm obviously very happy
with my one 30s, one 40s JCM exposure, but I, I, I mostly
agree with you in terms of, yeah, if, if anyone, I don't
think anyone is going to consolidate the backfield, but
if someone does, it would be white because he's the one that
has the three down upside. I think that's a thin outcome,
but but it's. And I just I, I basically
honestly after watching the way they deployed guys for each the
most recent two years, it just feels and I know that I know the
play calling staff is different, but just feels like pretty
unlikely to me. I think it'll be hyper
segmented. I agree that it will be.
I just think if you're looking at the whole range of outcomes,
JCM, like especially if he keeps climbing like he's 111 at open,
like let's say he gets to like 100 or into the 90s, he starts
to look very small hit big miss, right?
It's like at best he keeps 80% of the early down work and he's
a small hit who has like a marginally more valuable role
than white. Whereas white, I think his big
hit small miss, like worst case, he he's just a passing down back
and he's, you know, mildly overpriced, like compared to
like Taiji Spears or something or Tyrone Tracy.
But you know, there's a there's a slim chance that he he screams
up now White could get to a price where I'm out too, like
he's he's been. Screwing up boards and he's not
that far. He ends.
Up in, like, if he ends up in like, the 70s or the 80s, like,
oh, God, absolutely not. God, no.
Yeah. But like, where he's going right
now, I'm packing it. Packing the bags, Yeah.
Yeah, I I think that I think that's fine.
I mean, he's he's right now he's he's next to Aaron Jones, who I
also kind of like more than I wish I did, frankly.
But I mean like those guys, it's like, hey, you're, you're
there's really no competition here.
Or the there is one guy who's kind of competition, but he's
like clearly A2 down guy and he's probably not that great.
And then the other dude is the guy I'm actually betting on
catches passes and isn't zero with the goal line.
So if they were to be, you know, like, like an Aaron Jones, if he
were to get at all expensive, I'd let everyone else have them.
But if you're going to give them to me in the round 1120, Yeah.
And it's, you know, it's depth. It's using my art.
Running back 4. Running back 5.
Where where do you have Jones and Mason rants?
Because I have I I was into both pre draft.
I I've got them both in the in the one 10s now. 120 for me on
Jones. I have him three spots ahead of
White and then Mason. 1:30 on Mason.
You have Jones ahead of what? So I have White all the way up
at one O 7 or or one O. 6 I have Jones ahead of White.
Yeah, I worry a little bit more about White in terms of
Mcnichol. Mcnichols is basically making
the same amount. Oh my God, is is the specter of
Mcnichols going to return again? He could.
Yes. He signed a one year $1.5
million deal and White signed a 1,000,002.
Million I, I think, I think one of your Nichols is a bit more of
a special teams contract. I think Mcnichols can kind of
play in that exact role. And so I think he, I, I don't
think the plan. I just don't think he's as good
as it at white. Like I think White, I mean, he's
probably not a very high opinion of White, but purely as a third
down running back, I I think white is quite good at that.
Yeah, White's better at that than Mcnichols, I think.
But I also like that Mcnichols has done it in this system with
this quarterback and stuff like, hey, I don't know with this
quarterback. He has, hasn't he?
Famously, yeah. That's why he's on the team,
yeah. OK, there you go.
God, but that's so long ago. I mean, they're just, they're
running back that whole offense. Like they have him and Ayuk and
Rashad White and they're just. Going to run back.
Well, bring in you guys. Did you guys see the report?
Did you guys see the report is Ricky?
Pearce all available, you can just build the entire.
Arizona State, I would rather the guy who did it in the NFL
with, you know, picking up NFL blitzes and stuff.
I'm specifically talking about being able to pass protect, you
know, in this system, which I think White can do, to be fair.
Like I'm just saying, I'm a little more concerned about what
the floor is for White. I don't think he's like locked
in 100% to that third down roll. There's some chance he loses it
to Mcnichols over the course of the year.
Can people in the chat stop talking about Jerome Ford
enough? No, it's.
Not enough. Enough Fallers, Jeremiah Love,
Tyler Algier Related Crystal Labe.
That one didn't make any sense to me yet.
I think he's gonna, he's gonna come right back up, Emmanuel.
Wilson wait, why doesn't Crystal Labe make sense to you?
I don't think that having another like a 22% target share
guy on there means that Alave goes back to what our prior
experience of Alave was. I think that.
Tyler was a sixth round pick last year.
Which was ridiculous. By the way, which I mean I.
Yeah, was ridiculous. I also think that, I mean, part
of part of what was feeding into that was we thought their
quarterback play was going to be subterranean and it wasn't.
Tyler Shuck was perfectly, perfectly cromulent, you might
say. He nobly and big and Chris
Olabe's fantasy football soul. But like, if you, if you start,
I mean, let's pull up, let's pull up the Mike Clay because
I'm actually curious. Here's what I would just say on
Olabe is that we're in a range. This looks pretty, pretty
reasonable to me and this would say the market is actually
discounting let's. Zoom in.
Sorry. Here I'll zoom in more.
No, no, Olabe is in a range of the draft.
We're zoomed because I had this. We're going to be looking for
the next JSN type of hit, right? We're trying to find guys who
dramatically out produce their draft cost in that kind of late
second, early 3rd range, you know, in in further than that
and before the draft, you know, Crystal Lave, Devante Smith.
We're looking like guys are like, could these guys have like
30% target shares this year? Like could the whole offense run
through these guys? And I do think that it matters
that both teams drafted first round receivers.
It makes that outcome a lot less likely, and that's part of the
reason I liked those guys. So I've got some pushback with.
That I I'm looking at. This I'll let Jake go first.
I'm looking at this, I bet I'm going to say something similar
to what Davis is thinking because I'm looking at this
projection. I see 144 targets for Crystal
Lave and I see a lot of meat on the bone.
Because I think, I think you could, if Jordan Tyson is a hit,
I think he's coming for Jawan Johnson's targets first.
Because I thought Jawan got a lot of inflated for sure.
Lack of surrounding confidence. Yeah.
And so, like, I I could, I mean, this already has Tyson at 1:10.
But like, if you, I think we could get Tyson to 120 and take
10 of Jawan's pretty easily. Like I I think Alave proved last
year he's he's a legitimate, like maybe not superstar
receiver, but the next closest *.
He's a, he's a star. He's like all he's a really good
starter. He's in like, power.
Shuck takes a step up, you know, And I love the Kellen Moore
offense. They play in a Dome.
I'm that's, I'm quite fun. That's the biggest thing.
That's the biggest thing for me is the Kellen Moore stuff.
I feel like his experience with the Chargers went so poorly that
everyone decided this guy sucks now after his time in Dallas.
People used to talk about Kellen Moore the way that we talk about
Kyle Shanahan like this guy can, or Clint Kubiak.
This guy can reinvent your French like there was I remember
when he was interviewing for the head coaching jobs and then
Dallas convinced him to stay. People were like, yeah, they
should give him a blank check to stay.
Is the offensive coordinator instead of letting him go and
the Chargers experience with and then guess what?
Chargers fucking stink. It's built on a burial ground.
It's it's cursed like everyone just happens to everyone.
But actually my argument was not even about the meat on the bone,
Jacob. It was actually that so much of
what obviously Ilave blew up in terms of volume and Ilave or
sorry, JSN blew up in terms of volume and took a next step.
He also ran hotter than the GD Sun on touchdowns, which is what
is required to have those seasons.
You have to like there were multiple games where he had 6
targets and over 100 yards and a touchdown, which is just very
unlikely to repeat itself. And Ilave in his career has
always been the exact opposite of that.
How many weeks has has Ilave been on the BI Leone model?
He's got it. He's he's got to be he's got to
be one of the record. He's got to be on one of the
record setters for that. And now that he has the marriage
of competent quarterback play offensive coordinator.
And I mean, you know, you certainly could make the
argument that like, Oh, you get Tyson in there a better wide
receiver too. It's not Devon Bailey.
Maybe it changes defensive looks that he gets to face.
But I, I'm still feeling I, I not saying it's quote good for
Alave, but I don't understand A10 spot decrease.
So I I have been ranked pretty aggressively and I I feel good
about that ranking. I think you should drop on them
bringing in a guy that like there's risk here that the
Saints. There's a number of risks.
One, the Saints last year had a negative PROE.
They've got a 2% lean to the run.
Granted, they had Rattler and a rookie quarterback.
I don't think that means that Kellmore's like really trying to
run the ball a bunch. But he did do that with the
Eagles and I think he could do that.
If Chuck struggles a bit this year, I think there's risk that
this team looks kind of like the Panthers, where they're like,
Chuck's good enough, but he's not great.
And you know, we're like kind of what the Texans would prefer to
be with, with an actual OK offensive line.
Now that they have Travis Etienne, they can actually run
the ball a bit. They didn't have any running
backs last year so this identity might not be like totally
focused on passing the ball, especially again if Chuck is.
I think most likely outcome is if Chuck is like fine but not
amazing. It doesn't.
Take a huge step forward. I don't.
I don't disagree with that. I mean, if anything like are we
worried about him hitting the age Cliff this year?
Well, I I was wondering if you were down in the lava because
you thought he hit the target Cliff.
Yeah, the lava hit the target Cliff too, but I I I think, I
don't know, I mean, like Tyson coming in, Tyson's good and it
eats into a lab. Like there's it hurts him to me,
it hurts him because I don't have like, if I just felt like
this offense was like, like I the quarterback play is there.
This is the Cowboy Dak, it's Dak Prescott and they only have CD
Lamb and like actually adding a second receiver lifts the
ceiling of the offense. Like those arguments are easy to
make when you have when you know you have good quarterback play
and and we don't know that now, if shucks awesome, then then I
would think that that is true that Tyson actually lifts the
ceiling of the offense. But I'm not I don't know, I feel
it. It's like it's a trickier spot
when you have this uncertainty around Shuck.
I wanted to just play it as like, maybe shucks, whatever.
But Olave just like is everything.
This whole offense is Chris Olave, that that was the
cleanest path for me for him as like a third, early third round
pick and that, you know, that's tougher now.
Yeah, yeah. I I, I don't disagree.
James Conner, it's over. We already talked a ton about
Lemon to Mary D Gay. I haven't ranked.
I haven't ranked James Conner an entire time this offseason.
I had him controversially unranked throughout all of pre
draft. Basketball, you were right.
And I maintained that. Well, I mean, you certainly post
Jeremiah love going #3 it doesn't look great.
James Conner. Actually it might be better
'cause you might get caught and then you might maybe.
Might be honestly might be better.
Yeah, Amy James Conner. I have, I'm, I'm hoping Ridley.
You're still in on Emmanuel Wilson, eh?
Cuz I, I was Emmanuel. Wilson No, no, that is, that is
the name. Out of the rankings.
That is, he's so he's so invisible to me that I actually
didn't even see his name to remove him from my rankings.
And I literally just on this, I just went to my rankings page
and I clicked remove from list and I clicked publish.
He's not on my rankings anymore. Yeah, cuz my, my fear now is
like, eventually I do think he probably has a weak one role cuz
I'm not really a price guy. But you know what is?
What is the upside of being right on that?
And then eventually Charbonnay is coming back and Charbonnay
will be active and Price will be active and you're in a, he's in
a, he's in a dead heat with George Elani for who's the third
act of running back at that point.
I, I, I frankly AM, you know, I would never admit this and play
company, but I am a little bit of a Helani bro.
People forget George Helani forced Ashton Gente into a
timeshare when they were teammates at Boise State.
People, people, this is. This is another one like when we
cut Keith Mitchell, it'll probably be for George Helani.
Probably. Dude it's so going to be to get
4.6 projectable points from George Elani.
It'll be like. As a starter, we're like, I
don't know, like we need, we need to find a starter this
league. Like I'm with George Elani.
They punched that touchdown last week, the three targets.
George Elani. What if George Elani averages
like 13 points per game for the first month of the season?
I think it's in play. I might start.
I might. I'm not saying you know
definitely, but I would look around at other things to do
with my time. Here's here's the deal.
The schedule hasn't come out yet, so I can't start thinking
about the Eliminator yet. All right.
Yeah, I'm just thinking about George Elani.
As you know, the Seahawks are going to play the first game of
the season because they won the Super Bowl.
So I want, I want take a peek on George Elani and Emmanuel Wilson
on every one of our main event teams because I think Price is
going to play like 23% of snaps Week 1 and 1 of Emmanuel Wilson
or George Elani is is going in our Week 1 main event lineup do.
You remember when it was it Malcolm Brown who scored like 2
touchdowns for the Rams? One correct?
You know this. George Gilani and Emmanuel
Wilson are Malcolm Brown ass players.
Like that is, that is. That was when Cam Akers was
drafted and it was and everyone's like, oh, acres is
not acres for. Every waiver wire column.
Has and then eventually it wasn't.
Kehlani. You you know that that Malcolm
Brown that year was like my biggest stance.
That was like a a, a like a more than.
So good in I. I literally was like.
Not around my house and then not very good for weeks 2 through
17. But really good but.
That week well great next week's followers opening AT PS we are
below market on neighbors sharps IGBUCA, Algiers obvious Josh
Allen we've talked something about that Mike I'm surprised
that you guys are that much lower on Mike Washington junior
than me. It's like I think he's clearly
going to be the running back too for the Raiders.
Sutton is obvious. I need to get even lower on
Sutton and Benung Guy I let's do let's do Washington because I I
think given the context of the Raiders depth chart, he's one of
the few like that guy's just going to be the running back too
behind another guy guys. I think there's a little bit of
risk that they signed Naji Harris because he visited there,
but. If they don't.
If they don't, then I'm with, I mean I'm only 5 spots behind you
Davis. Like I'm we have them like
functionally in the same place. I guess Pat Pat has him further
back 187. I struggle with these guys where
it's like, listen, he didn't do anything in college and all the
peripherals stuck and he was out.
Produced by Seth McGowan. But this guy's athletic.
He's so athletic. You can imagine what would
happen if the guy ahead of him got injured.
He's a wall header. He's so athletic.
He's going to be a second round pick.
Dude. His 10 yard split, do you see
the 10 yard split? Scouts aren't going to be able
to get enough of this guy. Then he falls and he falls to
day three. I'm like, what, what's the,
what's the play again? He's so athletic that in the
worst running back class in history, he's a fourth round
pick. Like I, I don't think there's
that much interest there. And if you tell me that that
profile is guaranteed anything as a rookie, like I disagree.
I, I don't think he's locked into anything at all.
This dude could be a healthy healthy scratch all season.
Well, like the only other running backs on the roster are
Ashton Genti, who is like kind of irrelevant to the Mike
Washington. Play because.
For Mike Washington to have any value, you have to assume the
injury of Ashton. Genti's been hurt, sure.
And the only other running back on the roster at present is
Dylan Lauby. Dobin, I would take Dylan Lauby
over Mike Washington for snacks easily.
OK, so after. We cut Keith Mitchell for George
Solani. We're cutting George Solani for
Dylan Lauby. Dylan Lauby is going to be
picked up on waiver wires this year.
Should I text Dylan right now and tell him that we're talking
about him? Tell him I'm touting Dylan Lauby
right now. Dylan Lauby is a better thing.
I love. This I, I am legitimately, I am
legitimately going to text him and tell him.
I love this. I don't know.
I mean, you know, I'm going a little bit further than I
actually think is real for the bit, but like he played some
last year, you know, like, I don't know, like that's better
than. He's a good running back.
He's just never. He's never.
He's never gonna get a chance. Let me tell you this if Dylan
Lobby was gifted with Mike Washington's God-given
Strengths. Oh my God, he's literally
Christian McCaffrey. He'd be.
Yeah, he'd be. Adrian, you just described.
McCaffrey. Dude, that's literally Christian
McCaffrey. Dylan, lousy with Mike
Washington athleticism, is the greatest running back of.
All time of all time. Yeah, there's a reason why we
still do have Mike Washington ranked and not lousy, because I
could be wrong and Washington is really athletic and he did at
least get drafted in the fourth round.
And yeah, if if Gentie's hurt then he probably has the best,
clearest path to, you know, taking over the early down
rushing stuff. But I I think they could bring
in somebody dodgy whoever. They brought in Roman Hemby.
I don't know if that matters to you, Probably.
Honestly, like this, this is a this is a like we didn't used to
know who Amari Demarcato is. Now we do, right?
You know what I mean? Like we we learn about veteran.
I didn't like Emmanuel Wilson was.
Chris, what I used to. Know about?
Yeah, now I know who Emmanuel Wilson is.
Like Travis Homer. I was like, oh, who's this guy,
right? We learn about these guys, Sam.
Sherman. Knew who that was Sam Sherman
told me who Travis Homer was. Yeah, he he had a whole.
But anyway, the I, I think this is this is potentially how we
learn about. It's a learning better spot I
see. Total total learning.
Spot totally plausible. Also, I think I might have like
I think I'm planning to draft about 27% Ashton Genti this
year. So I don't know if I want to
hedge against. Myself, yeah, big UPS.
Taking like Washington. Big UPS, No, unless you're
unless you don't care about your risk of ruin.
The heavier you are on the starter, the more.
In you should be on myself. It's called hedging.
I don't believe in. It I don't think this is
appropriate hedge situation because Genti is like a three
down workhorse and you you like the the role dissolves once
Genti. It's not a bet on the offense,
it's a bet on his specific profile.
There isn't another Genti. I mean if Mike Washington, if if
my scenario plays out and Genti has to miss three weeks, my
question of junior is going to average 13.700 dollar points.
Per No, he's not. It's a real Alexander Madison
situation. While we're on the Raiders like
here's, this is not the correct version of a true serum take for
per Peach definition. So I guess it's just a hot take.
I think Asha Jetty should be the one O 6.
Yeah, yeah. That's that's just, that's just
good math and data. He's a prospect that we all
thought was like borderline generational last year.
I still think he's awesome. I I completely disregard the bad
efficiency last year based on the situation.
I thought watching him week to week he looks fantastic.
He still had these spike weeks. A lot of his creation data is
way better than his his like overall box scores are and then
they make major improvements on the offensive line and they have
no receivers. Like none at all.
I'm moving ahead of James Cook right now.
He he, I think like is going to catch a lot of passes.
He looked good as a pass catcher last year and he's going to have
probably a ton of work. There's no threat on pass downs
at all. And his backup is Mike
Washington, who we all think sucks except for Davis and like.
I, I think he's, I think he sucks.
I just think it's immaterial. Like we we got cousins, you
know, cousins going to dump off to him maybe 37 times per game.
So I think Gente honestly, like I don't need to so I won't.
But if I had to, I'd take him ahead of Taylor and I would take
him ahead of McCaffrey. Yeah, completely.
Wow. And I'm already taking him ahead
of CD and almond raw and James Cook.
I I'm so in on gente this. Year.
Completely. Completely.
What about Lamb and Jefferson? Yeah, I'm taking Genting.
I haven't ranked at the 108 like in my rankings, but I would rank
him at the 1:06 if I had to. That's what I earned.
I guess he's got him. I'm gonna start taking him ahead
of Cook. All right, I'm actually, I'm
actually glad that that Zach included this clip of Caleb
Lomu, the tackle from Texas Tech, because I actually think
this is very, I, I, I think that we as a society interpret things
like this. This is so funny.
I just love Zach. What the fuck is this?
Is this bearish? He's just panicking in the
slots. I I think we, I think we as a
society interpret behavior like this inappropriately.
Right there, that right there that's telling me that Caleb
Lomu is the ubermensch. It's very it's very nichean to
completely betray your type like that, when this is supposed to
be like people were like, you know who's an alpha?
Ruben Bain. He just walked right through,
put his hat on, didn't smile, got to business, got to work.
Like, well, First off, no, that's you playing to your
character type. That's Ruben Bain junior playing
to people's expectation of what like an all business over age
defensive end from Miami would do.
What Caleb Lomu is doing is is against type and it's doing what
he wants to do despite the societal expectation and the
role that society is trained him to be in as a football player.
Very, very based of Caleb Lomu, I'm.
Very based of you to, you know, support secure masculinity.
I'm actually not even sure that's entirely true.
Like isn't he doing he? This is a joker.
This is a guy. He's like the big funny guy.
Isn't this he's doing like this is like if?
He may be doing a separate bit. You're right, you're right.
You might be. You might be.
He might. He might be doing a separate
bit. This is like Belushi if he was
tackled, if he was a tackle for the Patriots.
I I I think that the Patriots third string tackle this year is
probably not that important to the best ball landscape.
Jacob, since you probably have no idea who John Belushi is.
He's kind of like Chris. I do.
I do know who John Belushi is. Thanks.
Thanks very much. But you know, if if I didn't,
you would definitely be my general as the.
Older man of the program. That's how you know.
Do you know who John Belushi is? You're a general.
That's good. I I, I'm actually given our
respective conversations about Kenya and Sadiq the the I I feel
flummoxed that I am the low man on on Kenya and Sadiq.
I, I don't, I don't know how this happened.
I don't know how I. You're Taylor Blow, man.
I, I don't, I don't know how I let myself get, get Sadiq mocked
because I thought I thought Korain might do a bit where he
had him unranked and had Mason Taylor ranked.
I, I really thought there was a chance Korain would be like,
yeah, dude, we're, we're, we're doing.
We're doing this. I don't think Mason first of
all, Mason Taylor sucks like I'm not correct.
I'm not pretending that Sadiq can't produce here like like and
and by the way, The Jets know he sucks.
They they spent a second round pick on him and then they had
Makai lemon on the board with like no real target earning wide
receiver 2 started 80 Mitchell and like they passed on lemon to
take a tight end because they think they're tight end sucks.
Right. So I'm not going to.
I just think that in dynasty, especially the thing with Sadiq
is like, where are you going to have to take him and tight end
premium and dream that he's like, Oh, I didn't get Colston
Loveland last year, but now it's OK because I got Kenyan Sadiq.
Like, no, it's not OK, Dude. You should have taken Colson
Loveland. That would have been good.
You have Kenyan Sadiq instead. That sucks.
But like it picked 140 or whatever, fine.
Completely agree, completely agree.
Yeah, his best ball price is is like totally reasonable to me,
despite being kind of a hater in in dynasty.
I mean, because I mean the whole idea with Sadiq is I think he's
super high ceiling, super super low floor.
That floor is terrifying. If you take him at the one O 7
of your dynasty draft with a high opportunity cost, you know,
Oh no, I took him ahead of Bretton Strange and he was like
marginally worse. It's fine.
He's not he's not going to kill your best, but I mean he's
clearly going to have like a role this year.
He's going to play. They took him 16th overall, so
I'm in on him. How about the three of us having
the exact same ranking on Jeremiah Love?
Look at that. That's In Sync.
Yeah. That's nuts.
I. Makes makes sense.
I I I it's funny because I was obviously prepared to come in on
Jeremiah love and say, Oh well, I I don't like this landing
spot. Carson Beck.
It's going to be the quarterback in the fantasy football
playoffs. Like it is not a design.
Like how many? What is the week 151617 average
team total going to be for the Arizona Cardinals?
14 1/2. Average team total of Carson
Beck 13 1/2. I don't like, I just.
I'm just. So Michael Carter's gonna be
playing passing downs somehow? Now he plays on the Titans.
OK, who do we think this is? This will be a good.
On the Titans. I know I was going to say the
Bengals. The Cardinals have 5 running
backs under contract and it's Jeremiah Love who will be on the
team, Tyler Algier who will be on the team, James Conner who
might be on the team, Trey Benson who will certainly not be
on the team, and Zonova Knight who.
Corey, Corey Kiner as well. I just learned Corey Kiner.
OK, Jeremiah Love not on the team for Corey Kiner.
It's Week 13 and Jeremiah Love hasn't had inside the 10 yard
touch in six weeks. But but actually, he still has a
100% share of touches inside the tent just because I haven't had
it inside the tent carry in six weeks.
Oh man, Yeah. That definitely that's a
definite possibility like that. I mean, it is a bummer that that
would be true. Yeah, we're gonna.
I mean, a year after having Brady cook in our lives when
we're rooting for Breece Hall, we are about to experience
Carson back. And I just really would prefer
not to. Like I'm just deeply upset at
the Arizona Cardinals for making me have to watch Carson back
games in full in week 1516 and 17 to root for my Jeremiah Love
and train McBride teams. It upsets.
Me, I'm deeply upset with the Cardinals can do whatever they
want and I don't care if they want to start Carson Beck.
I just wish they would have kept Jeremiah Love out of it.
Yeah. You know what I mean?
That's up to the car. The Cardinals want to start
Carson Beck this year. Go with God.
But like, why did you do this to us?
Why do I have to watch it? Couldn't agree with that.
And it's not even just love like they have McBride on their team,
they have Harrison like they they are just the the amount of
skill talent on this team that they're about to subject to
Carson back is is like uncalled for.
It really is. It's I mean.
Yeah, yeah. Don't put yourself in a position
where Jacoby Brissett has leverage.
That would be my general advice to teams.
Listen, A-Team could pay me $1 million and I'll give him one
piece of advice and it will be worth it.
And that piece of advice is don't let you go.
We percent have leverage. Davis, you have you have
Genarian Price at 50th overall. I have him at 71.
Pat has him at 76. I moved him down a smidge but
not I I think the like 56 or whatever, but where?
Do you have him in relation to the law firm of Henderson,
Scataboo, Montgomery, Tooten and Swift?
The bottom, the bottom of it other than Swift.
So that's my big difference is I have him above Swift and I want
it to be above ADP. Yes, I have price above Swift.
I I basically this is the way I see it and we did just do a long
diatribe about Jadarian Price about 3 1/2 hours ago, but I.
Think it's time to talk about him again?
Yeah, So this is where I've landed compared to what everyone
else says. I basically don't care that
Jadarian Price is the worst first round running back of all
time for two reasons. The first being I think the
error bars on how we feel about that are actually quite wide
because he barely played. So it's just very hard to draw a
definitive statement about that. And Crane, as we learned, the
Achilles tear is such a good explanatory variable for why he
didn't leave Notre Dame, for why he stayed at Notre Dame.
And I also would assume another reason why he didn't leave Notre
Dame for like the NIL money and. Also explanatory for why they
recruited Love as well. It's also explanatory for why
they recruited Love. But it's also I think a good
explanation that he must have gotten good feedback from his
agent from NFL people, whatever that like, hey, man, you're
you're good. You you don't need to go to
Florida State for a year to get 300 carries.
Like, like I I would assume it would be foolhardy to have not
put feelers out of like, what is staying at Notre Dame in the
backfield with this absolute monster going to do to my draft
stock? It's a good point, yeah.
And the other and and the second layer of that.
And, and I'm like, it makes a lot of sense because then he did
get drafted in the first round. Because he did.
I bet that's exactly the first round.
And then on top of that, Jacob's I don't find Jacob's argument
convincing. The they just stuffed Kenneth
Walker into a 10 fantasy points per game.
Well, why would they not do that?
Jerry Price and I don't find it convincing for two reasons.
The first reason is there's pretty wide margins for when
Charbonnay is going to return and what type of shape he's
going to be in. I know we've we've become
accustomed to players returning from ACL injuries and just being
like good to go and they return to their normal role and it just
is what it is. I think that is wider.
The other thing is just these guys, a first round pick.
That's just different than the commitment that they showed to
Kenneth Walker. They let Kenneth Walker go in
free agency. Kenneth Walker was a third round
pick. Like it I think being early.
2nd. Well, yeah, same thing I think.
I think being AII truly think that being a first round pick
makes it different in terms of your playing time.
I I I well and truly believe that.
Davis, I think he was drafted like pretty high in the first
round and Price was the 32nd pick.
Yeah, I want. I want to say Walker was like
the 38th. And I want, I want.
To say I don't think it. Was pretty.
Early difference between 32 and 41.
And was was like an infinitely better player.
Kenneth Walker is a really good player.
I'm not saying he's not. I obviously, I think Kenneth
Walker. I hope Kenneth Walker's really
fucking good. I'm begging you can, I'm begging
you. I'm.
So excited to turn to put YouTube on.
The Bank Examiner is marching with a Surrey and the fringe on
top all the way to Davis's home. If Ken Walker's not a good
player. I can't wait for tomorrow
morning putting on some Davis Matic YouTube channel and guys
Ken Walker was the 41st overall pick and now he gets to play
with Patrick my homes. If Ken Walker is not a good
player this year, like Davis is going to be like Nate Jacobs in
euphoria this week. Like it's, it's going to be
like, I have $500,000 that I owe to a, a criminal organization
and like, I don't know if Sidney Sweeney's going to marry me
anymore. Yeah.
By the way, neither of you guys have, neither of you guys have
commented on the fact that I'm wearing a number 19 Chiefs
jersey, by the way. Is that Tony?
Well, it's not. It's a it's a old school Jeremy
Macklin Jersey, but you could never tell.
You could interpret it as Tony. I like it.
Jadarian Prospect.
We have a question. Prospect.
That is a good nickname for. Him.
Jerry Price is definitely a worse prospect than Scataboo and
Tootin in terms of like, what he did on the field.
Like, like, certainly worse. But the number one explanatory
variable to fantasy points scored first three years of a
player's career is draft capital, and it's not even
close. Yeah, it comes out in the same.
Tiers with those guys for me. Yeah, I I had price definitely
lower on like pre draft grading for sure and like decisively so.
But yeah, with the draft capital included, I like I have a higher
grade on him as a dynasty rookie draft asset that I did on on
Tootin and Scataboo last year. All three guys are in the early
second round tier for me and he has the he's a he's a little
ahead of Tootin, but then the same tier and he has the exact
same score that that scataboo had.
I would say though, that like one of the things I liked about
Scataboo and Tootin is that they had really fancy friendly
profiles and and and kind of popped as early fourth round
picks. And so you can go, Hey, what if
their teams treating them more like a second round pick, you
know, and if if these guys were, you know, the 50th overall pick,
then scataboo and would have been two tiers ahead of price
and and two would have been one tier ahead.
So that to me is like kind of a way to think about upside where
like prices, it's hard to get like too much more excited about
price's opportunity because the whole thing is kind of that he
was the 32nd overall pick and he goes to this this place where
he's going to have, you know, opportunity right away.
But I think the opportunity part of it is not baking into this,
but that generally is there when you're a first round pick.
So I think you're kind of like it's harder to dream on price
for me, like it's we all kind of understand the bet.
He's intriguing per touch guy, mostly a runner.
Maybe there's a little receiving juice more than we would have
you know, because of more than you would have think from his
profile because of because of love, but not a ton.
And then he you know he's able to to produce right away.
I do think 50 is a little hot, to be honest.
I I. Moved him.
I moved him down a little, but still much hotter than you guys.
I, I mean my view on him and I want to loop this into answering
Andrew Wallin's question, which was, can you expand on the Swift
tape? I, I want to clarify, I don't
hate DeAndre Swift. His ADP is 58 and I have him
ranked at 54. So I, I do out of the market on
DeAndre Swift, Davis. Davis can expand on the Swift
hate. I, I don't have any swift hate.
I, I like price is the next highest running back ranked for
me by Swift, but it's a massive teardrop for me after Swift.
Like I have Swift at 54 and then I don't have it on a running
back rank all the way to Price at 71.
In between them I have 123456 quarterbacks and that's really
what I'm trying to use. Most of my 5-6 turn area draft
capital on and into the sixth round is is Jackson Daniels, May
Williams, Hurts, Burrow, and potentially even double tapping
them. And I also prefer pretty
decisively kind of the the younger upside receivers to
price if I'm going to bet on the young upside, like I like Ibuka
Moore. Well, he has a way higher ADP.
I'm just really low on him. I like Tate Moore, though.
I like Harrison Moore, I like Tyson Moore.
I like Brian Thomas Moore. I even like Roman Dunes anymore
so and I have Lemon ranked like right beside him.
So I just, if I'm going to bet on the younger upside profiles,
I think I feel better about the fundamentals of some of the
receiver bats than I do price. I'm I'm jamming most of my
running backs in the 1st 5 rounds.
I have him right in the mix with those guys and I think, you
know, if you're like, no, I prefer Roma, Dunsay, I prefer
Lemon, any of those guys. I think it's fine.
I think, I think he belongs in the sixth round.
I think there's upside not. According to your rankings
because you have him ranked in the 7th.
I don't have him like ranked late 6th.
You have 76. That's 7.
O4 that he actually comes out 65th in the in the rankings
right now. Never mind.
So I mean, than me, we put we put a little bit, you know, the
day one rank had a little more of like.
I feel a little. Scoop a little, but I since then
he's updated to 65th and his ADP.
We're still a little ahead of ADPI think but that ADP 60. 8 as
of today, yeah, but I think it's 68 and rising heavily.
Like I think he's gonna be in the 5th in a couple of days and.
I think that we will be fading him in the 5th.
I I don't foresee us taking him over quench on Judkins, Trevion
Henderson, Bashel Tooten, Cam scataboo, David Montgomery and
then obviously like Bucky Irving.
Like I think all those guys like I prefer I think The Sims will
prefer like there's not a lot prices both you know, he's risky
early because he's a rookie and he's risky late because
Charbonnay comes back and he's it's kind of more rushing driven
profile. So if you can get that in the
sixth, I think he can pay that off.
If you have to take it in the 5th.
There's just other bet. There's there's better bets,
there's young running back talent based bets or there's
like at least with Montgomery, I feel pretty good about his
workload and and the way they're going to treat him this year,
even though he is kind of a little dead Zony.
So yeah, I, I think if he gets into the 5th, I think I'm out
or, you know, early 5th. Rookies that we are all ahead of
Jeremy and I actually just trimmed him down a little bit,
but not too much. I did not have Stribling ranked.
I'm fighting it, I guess. I guess I got.
The 33rd pick. I guess, I guess I got to just
let it go. I guess sometimes you got to
just let it go. He was the 33rd pick.
It'll be very you know what? You know what?
It kind of reminds me of Jacob, kind of reminds me of Matthew
Golden, a cheaper version of Matthew Golden.
Yeah, and this time I'm not. I I promise, I promise not to
capitulate. Last time and I'm getting.
On Matthew Golden for almost the entire offseason.
And then in the very late August, I capitulate it.
And this time I'm not doing it. I'm.
Not you don't have time. He doesn't exist.
Matthew Golden's not like he's. Not going to play sixth round
pick. Kirk this year.
Yes he will. He was a he was a 5th or 6th.
I mean Jalen Knoll played like as many snaps as Christian Kirk.
Like the bar here is low I I think.
Knowles have much better prospect than John Sterling.
He's not. He's a worse prospect.
This dude was the 33rd overall pick.
Stribling has some like, he's not a great prospect, but honest
to God, like if we just heard this guy's name, like.
I had her name in my database. I had him ranked like I know I.
Had him. I had him in my stuff too, but
like he wasn't considered. There's he's Jeremy Bernard or
any of these other guys. They're all the same, all these
girls. Jeremy Bernard had actual
production. Like Jeremy Bernard was a a
reasonable prospect who was producing in a major program who
had a 2.5 yard for team pass attempt.
Or or like in the year 3 against Ryan Williams, Stribling got out
produced a 23 year old by Harrison Wallace.
Jeremy Bernard is like the most mid whatever prospect I've ever
seen in my whole. Life.
I agree Jeremy Bernard is mid and Stribling to me is several
tiers below mid. I think.
He's like a This is a Van Jefferson profile.
You know, Van Jefferson is a rookie.
He's going to get playing time, pick 150.
I think it, you know. Van Jefferson was a round two
pick who who theoretically was going to get playing time, but
he didn't because he's terrible. Yeah, yeah.
And and there's a very good chance that Stripling is just as
bad, but you're not paying anything to find out if the 33rd
overall pick in the draft is actually pretty good.
And if he is good, there's both opportunity and a really good
offense with good quarterback play.
So it's just not comparable. Matthew Golden post draft
because Golden was going in the sixth round.
So like what? Like this is Chase Claypool.
This is this is a guy who busts and still hits for fantasy, you
know, for for best ball because like the bar of what we need
here is like a couple weeks. This is a couple weeks play and
the 33rd overall pick in just if that's all you know, wide
receiver 33rd overall. He's likely to do that.
Wide receiver 33rd overall in the Kyle Shanahan offense with
Brock Purdy. That seems like a good bet.
Like I his profile's generally pretty bad, but like, I don't
know, we're we're this isn't dynasty.
We don't care if three years from now he's he's gone.
Like does he get opportunity down the stretch in a good
offense? I think he does.
And if I don't have to pay for it, then I want to bet on that.
Yeah, I I moved Zechariah Branch ahead of Jacob because I could
not possibly get Branch mugged by by Jacob.
That would be fucked. Can you imagine?
Can you imagine letting Jacob get the best of me on a shitty
screen guy whose only attribute is speed?
Embarrassing. I you know who I've also taken
twice in Basketball Mania already and probably need to
stop is Brendan Thompson. 2 two O 152 there totally going to
take Brendan Thompson and Chase Claypool.
By the way his his best season of receiving yards for team past
attempt was 2.67. Stribling was was 2.12 and it
wasn't even OK. I that's.
Like, reasonably similar, you know, I don't know.
Stribling. Stribling is bad.
Is is there a worse Round 2 prospect in the history of your
database than Dejan Stribling? Yeah, Tutu Atwell.
I no Tutu Atwell had production. Tutwell was a little He was.
Really, really good at Louisville, actually.
I'll have to pull that up. I'm honestly a little
disappointed you didn't hit me with he's the worst pick in the
draft. I thought you were going to.
I thought you were going to counter with, well, I mean, I
would go so far to say. Like he's he's clearly not his
ADP is essentially free. So I, I don't, I don't think
that he's the. Worst, I'm still disappointed he
didn't do it. No, all right.
I mean, I don't. Even have him as a full fate in
dynasty. I have.
I have his point 5X in dynasty. So I mean I'm not you.
I didn't rank him at the 1:11, but like I, I will.
Look, man, this, this, this crap.
Yeah. Sterling.
Oh my God, he's. I can't believe I'm going to
take the 33rd pick over a fourth round running back.
You know, like, yeah, Joe, Nicole.
Whatever, man starting running back on the Broncos next year
and Sterling's going to be Van Jefferson.
Hit it up. Burchard Perriman comes out
worse and he was a first round pick.
I'm I'm the first Philip Dorsett comes out.
Worse, he was a first round pick as.
As they do again. Unfortunately, deeply remember
that Philip Dorsett was the first Trump pick.
Xavier Leggett This is all the same.
This is the I have I have Stribling as a late second round
rookie picked here. Here's the other guys, Burchard
Perriman, Philip Dorsett, Xavier Leggett and.
Anthony Miller, Fion Coleman. Fion Coleman Here's another guy
right so and. Then all players that would have
been a a bad investment at like pick 180 at their rookie season.
Yes, generally this is not. Like like every every cop you've
named both today and the Higgins.
Higgins was in the tier. Horrible.
OK, here's here's other guys in the tier.
Michael Pittman. I had Michael Pittman in the
same tier. Pick 34.
I had, I had rush. I had rushy rice in a similar
slack. I didn't.
Think Pittman Rushy Rice being in the similar tier actually
does make sense and. Because I thought he was Rushy.
Rice was. In the tier, although I, I, I, I
was like, OK, whatever, Chief's fine, but I I agree he was a
pretty terrible Pittman, I think looks like a way better prospect
to to me than than stribling. Like he had, he had, he had
multiple years of like, not good production, but like reasonable
production who's a little younger coming out.
Jalen Polk was in this tier. Zay Jones was in this tier.
Did I say Christian Watson because he was in this tier?
Jonathan Mingo? Denzel Boston?
Dorial Green, Beckham, Curtis Samuel, Sterling Shepard.
We're to pick 40 now. I mean, to be honest, like like
stribling as far as like what? What is he likely to be?
Is he likely to hit? No, you know, but like I'm going
to take the draft capital when it's free and it is free and
like you could you guys are going to take Denzel Boston.
I think he's like, what is Denzel Boston on the Browns?
Like give me the guy on the 49ers.
I think I stribling. It's weird.
It seems like he gets this like, Oh my God, this guy's like a
crappy prospect. He's not likely to pan out.
Like lots of these guys that we're going to take 150 plus are
not likely to pan out. We're we're betting on them to
produce a little bit in spurts down the stretch, primarily for
best ball. Or we could be really wrong.
And to me, like, I think we have a chance to be really wrong.
I don't think I'm wrong. I think he's probably bad.
But Jaden Reed, Rashi Rice, you know, sometimes the draft
capital's right and the and the prospect profile's wrong.
Sometimes, all right, veteran winners, the hits you named I
think had had more college production struggling.
Players we all like I. Hope this was to be naming
naming prospects. Bowers obvious.
Scataboo obvious. We should talk about his injury.
Pollard again, pretty obvious. Downs get ready to learn Dion
Burks buddy Rashad white we already talked about Aaron
Jones. We already talked about could
talk about Jonathan Brooks and we could talk about Dole says
let's let's do scataboo. I mean to me it's pretty it's
pretty straightforward. If he's fully if he's fully
recovered from this injury, he I think he could be as high as a
third round pick. I could see him going ahead of
Chiron. If we don't get any real clarity
on that, we'll see. I mean, he was so good for
fantasy before before he got injured like so, so good, you
know, kind of buying on dart. He he unfortunately is going to
have to learn Matt Nagy buddy, But I I'm feeling very odd.
About that. Yeah, feeling very bold.
It is such a. How do you guys rank because I
think this is going to be a pretty critical decision point
in best ball in hot basketball summer.
Is these this group of second year running backs?
How do you rank and order Scataboo, Judkins, Henderson and
Tooten for For reference, Henderson goes 48 and then
Scataboo, Judkins and Tooten. Essentially the exact.
Same 54 I I actually have I actually have scat first.
I have scataboo first. I I I actually have Judkins last
I've got Scat, Henderson, Tooten, Judkins.
I have Scataboo, Tooten, Henderson, Judkins.
Fine, fine by me. I have. 1/3 distinct order which
is or no, you guys have them in exact same order, right?
You have you both had. Scouten and Henderson
flip-flopped. I have tooten and.
Henderson, another different order I have.
I have Scataboo first, then Judkins, then Henderson, then
Tooten. OK.
I mean, they're all I have them all.
Close to you. Turns out you're not as far left
on that slapsis as you thought. I I guess I don't know, I have
to find that. Marks box I mean.
Like, I don't know, like it's tough, man.
I like I'm I'm gonna have to raise tootin like purely for
like bid equity purposes, but I I.
Don't. Yeah, you are.
It's. Better pick than than than
Quinchod Judkins, but. I so I I did.
I did. I guess I have to fiscal mania.
It's kind of like those one of those things where like, I, I
feel like, you know what I feel like right now is like, remember
the debate in 2020 where they were like, should, should like
illegal immigration be decriminalized?
And it's like, I see everyone else's hands going up and I'm
like, yeah, OK, I guess that's, that's me.
I'm I'm like Steve Bullock, decriminalizing immigration.
But it I believe there was a different conversation about
immigration in America. This is what those sort of, this
is one of those things where the Canadian and the American
conversations have diverged, I think.
Pollard, do We Think 20? 20 Democratic primary, surely?
Oh, wow. Wow, wow, wow.
The Democratic primary. OK.
Yeah. Do we think Pollard gets much
higher than this? Do we think Pollard goes back to
like 6-7 turn? I actually think he might.
I, I think he will because that range of the draft is so bereft
of guys that you want to click. Like how many times have you
guys done a draft where 6 consecutive picks in that range
have been quarterbacks? Like, oh, I just looked the
board and six and and and every quarterback from Trevor Lawrence
to Brock Purdy just went because everyone, I mean, why I'm not
fucking taking DK Metcalf. Why would caller?
Not. That is what it is.
That is what it. Is.
You can fuck this. No thanks.
No, I'm going. Jackson Dart.
Yeah, it's like, but it's like your your highest running mate.
Tootin, Scataboo. Henderson, Jalen.
Warren, Jalen. Warren I I think.
I think Pollard fits in perfectly well with the grouping
of like. Madre and we've already.
Seen he is those guys now yeah, like.
He gets right in that mix. And we've already seen that ADP
move in the big board where it was like the veteran running
backs rise to that level when whatever the backfield
competition went. I mean, I actually think, by the
way, this is kind of an aside from what we're talking about,
very, very good for the show. I think we're gonna see some
wild alternate. Name for the show.
This is kind of aside from what we're talking.
About, I think we're gonna see wild, wild ADP movements from
guys. Like, I think there are gonna be
guys who shift like 25 spots in ADP on like relatively minor
news items because like, pick 75 through 130, you have low
conviction with everyone you're taking there other than the
quarterbacks. Everyone in that area is, well,
the guys have to go in some order like players do.
The way snake drafts work, just have to go in an order.
Right, and it's kind of like fine, whatever isn't isn't this
already priced in is both in the intro and something I'll
probably say in a couple weeks when some random player spikes
for no reason. I I think you're right, Tony
Pollard. I mean, you know one of the
things that's funny about this year and I I don't really think
this is wrong. I kind of think maybe we're
nailing it. But like, we took the group of
running backs that was fun and made us feel alive, and we put
them in the dead zone. And then we took the dead zone
running backs. Not all of them, because I think
David Montgomery's probably a dead zone running back, but we
all kind of like him. Nope.
That's that's what my entire best ball season Hinge is on.
And it's like, gosh, take that back.
Like, I'm sorry. David Montgomery is my
investment account and. He's like a whole dead zone
profile that I also kind of like.
But come on, David. Montgomery is what I live for.
I get up out of bed and like, first of all, my alarm song is
Safety Dance by Men Without Hats, so I'm already in a good
mood. And then I think how much Dave
Montgomery might get a draft today.
Five teams. But anyway, then we get then we
get to Warren, Romandre, Pollard, Chuba.
Like could there be more of a dead zone there?
But it's it's late, it's changed the whole it changes.
The whole but it's but it's not as late as it was last year.
Those guys last year were were later like.
They were late. And they were later and they
were post. So the early quarterbacks, they
were post some of the wide receivers.
So like pure disgusting running back volume in round eight,
round nine. I'm I'm fine with that.
Yeah, I'm OK with it. Running back volume into round
six, round 6 gets a little tougher.
So I'm I'm probably going to be white out on on that, on that
group of players. Well, I'm hoping on Pollard,
right? Now I'm very in on Pollard today
I I expect to be out on Pollard if he if he joins like the
romandre ADP tear. Well, what about Brooks before
we move on? Brooks like, let's go, Let's
like I, I'll chase him up as high.
As I can, yeah. I'm, I'm, I took him.
I took him in the 11th with Silva today and I'm like, sure,
whatever. Why?
Not, I mean, if we're being honest, he should just go ahead
at Chuba Hubbard. Yeah, I got no pushback for you.
I do, I mean from just. Gonna be the Panthers starting
running back. This I do have pushback
unfortunately which is that this is best ball and the rosters
locked and if you want to say from redraft you'd rather take
over, True, but I don't have any pushback but from a best ball
perspective. I'm sorry, trying to win some
money playing baseball bro. One, we have one guy with an ADP
that starts with A1 who's fun and you're trying to take that
away from us. I'm not trying to take it away
from you. I was trying to say I'm not
taking him straight up over Tuba Hubbard.
Dude, Well, I, I mean, look, I mean, you don't have to.
We're ahead of. ADP.
You don't. You don't have to.
Without doing it, Yeah, I I'm starting to see Jonathan Brooks
on the sidekick now. So the SIM, The Sims like him,
not just the ranks. It's nice to see he's not like a
smash where he's going, I don't think.
But he's he's I want him like I'll I'll probably I keep being
to Jonathan Brooks a bunch. I am noticing The Sims seem like
a little bit more cautious than I do 1 slightly.
His ADP today is 140. I have him ranked at 1:32 but
that is. I'm 129.
I will be moving with the market.
So like as the market goes up, my rank moves up with it.
So I'm, I'm willing to, if I'm willing to put him into like
the, I mean, I'm willing to put him into like the JCM Rashad
White range if I have. To Yeah, why not?
I am too. And I I think to me it's not so
much about the market because see this is a player of the
market, I think and get way out over at skis on in in a way that
would make him a bad pick. It's more that I'm willing to
move on any kind of news like that.
Like, and by news, I mean, Jonathan Brooks looked pretty
good at OTAs today. That's enough.
I would move him up on that. I, I'd move him up on Jonathan
Brooks. Arrived at OTOTAC like Jonathan
Brooks. What about the news from today?
I I didn't see the news from today.
What it? Was he held a press conference
today, He spoke to the media and he said I'm I'm pretty close to
100% and I've been fully medically cleared.
Is that good or bad? I can't decide.
I, I, I don't think that's great.
I want Jonathan Brooks doing football close to 100%.
I want best shape of my life. OK.
Yeah, that's fair. Right from the player.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
I won't move him down on that, but that's not what I was hoping
you would say. All right, choose your fighter.
When I saw he was going to speak to the media, I thought wheels
are going way up and then the wheels went sideways.
They went sideways, yeah. Predict the running back to on
the 49ers this year. Joe Williams being included on
this. List is some.
Is some of Zach's finest work No, I I'm actually, I'm actually
ready to I'm actually ready to to throw my hat in here.
Shanny's gonna zig when everyone zags.
He's actually gonna play the guy he way overdrafted and fell in
love with for the first time ever.
He's actually gonna. Get Caitlin.
Black in camp do. You think Caitlin Black, of all
people, is the guy who's gonna? I I think Caitlin Black is gonna
do what? Joe Williams, Trey Sermon.
Damn, it's been a lot funnier. I think it's going to be Joe
Williams. I I know that's, I know that's
controversial, but I'm going to thank Joe Williams here over
Kayla, I think. It's going to be T Higgins.
It's. Going to be T Higgins.
No, I I this is this. Is might be Travis Homer.
Picking this, the RB2 on the 49ers in May is just like,
couldn't be less of my job. But why do we?
Why do we have to do this? No, it is definition it is it is
your job, it is it. Isn't my job.
No, it's not my job. It's not my job.
I I don't have any of them ranked.
They don't. So I'll just, I'll just leave
that be. I don't have to have an opinion
on this. My opinion can be no, no.
Correct. My opinion is, is Tevin Coleman
technically retired? Is he technically retired or
just not? Sucks this is.
The thing like it. It could.
If I, if you OK, if you actually made me guess, I'm gonna guess
James. James.
But I wouldn't even say that's a majority guess.
Like that might be the plurality guess.
You might legitimately. Say I would legitimately say
like 38% James, 34% Black, 21% Gorendo.
Like I don't know, some percentage chance that it's some
guy off the street, some guy they trade for.
It's a gross like, like, yeah, I'm with Pat.
No. And by the way, like you might
be naming snap percentages when McCaffrey goes down.
Like there's there's no, there's no indication that one of these
guys would step into a clear cut role.
Like we're all guessing like who gets the plurality of snaps post
McCaffrey injury? Like I just, I'm not interested
in playing that guessing game when the roster spot is locked
for the whole year. Like if, if we're like, you
know, eventually going to take a waiver wire stab on one of these
guys in the first week of September, sure, I'm down, I
guess, Although even then, why are we doing that?
Because we're going to cut him next.
Week the 49ers role is like this incredible.
That's not true. Christian Mccaffrey's
incredible. He's the best pass catcher
running back of all time. If when?
If Gorendo is the guy, which I don't think Gorendo is the guy,
but like if he were to be the guy, he's at least interesting
for fantasy because they throw to him.
James doesn't have a receiving profile.
Black doesn't have a receiving profile.
Like if these guys were to become the army too, they would
just be like worst tank Bigsby's.
Like I I just, who cares? Yeah, 100%.
Fair enough. Biggest.
Differences. Sorry Davis, I got I.
Got nothing, dude. I don't give a shit either.
Like Raheem Monster could show up, man Matt Breda.
Elijah Mitchell's a free agent. All right.
So are the any of these interesting?
I guess, OK, I, I'm, I'm the huge, I'm the huge bull on Jonah
Coleman. I I think this is probably
interesting. 96 on Jonah Coleman.
I had, I have Harvey 90, I have Jonah Coleman 96, and I have
Dobbins 97. I, I'd love for you guys to
change my mind and help me order those in a different order.
I feel that Harvey remains, you know, Jacob, we talked about
this, I think 3 weeks ago. We did like, OK, you have to pay
different prices for the profiles that we used to like,
right? It's now the, it's now the fun
guys who are the most expensive and Harvey will get less
expensive, but is the most expensive, followed by Dobbins,
followed by Coleman. Now Coleman is obviously going
to get more expensive as well. And Dobbins actually probably
will continue. I don't think Coleman's.
I think Coleman's gonna come down in price.
Coleman's gonna. A lot drop like a rock.
Yeah, all. Right, All right, I'm gonna I'm
gonna I guess the way I interpreted that was Jonah
Coleman is like probably by hook or by crook, gonna end up
scoring the second most fantasy points in the Broncos backfield.
I just don't know Robbins or Harvey is 3 but my.
I think, I think that's, I think that's not how I would read it.
I think, I think RJ Harvey is gonna score the second most
points at any given time because I think he has a specific role.
I mean, I think, I think that Dobbins is the starter until he
sucks or gets hurt. And then if that happens that I
think Coleman takes over for him.
And I think Harvey exists in his own role is mostly how I'd read
it now. I think Coleman has somewhat of
a role Week 1 because I think he's the best pass pro guy on
the team and he might be the best short yardage guy on the
team. That's so that that was my, that
was my immediate thought, was that not?
Only no rookie's the best pass pro guy as like in week 3.
You know what I mean If. It's R if it's RJ if it's RJ
Harvey and JK Dobbins though. Sean.
I think Dobbins would be better. Today Did you see the Sean
Payton quote today? No.
He said, he said most rookies you have to project whether they
can pass protect on 3rd down, but you don't have to with
Coleman. Sean Payton is a bullshitter.
Dude. I'm so sick of this guy talking
about, yeah, fuck him. Like everything he said
everything. He's like Marvin Mims was the
best route runner of all time when he drafted him.
Like, I don't give a shit what Sean Payton says today.
Like let's talk in October. I've I've already moved, I've
already moved this Boston ranking down.
So that one is that one's bad. I, I want to be in on, I'm the
low man on Coleman. I want to be in on Coleman.
I would love to be able to draft him late as as a as an upside.
I still move. I still have him in the one 40s.
Even after just doing that. I I still have him in the one
40s. I'm in, I'm moving on like this.
From 171 I think I could move him up another dozen picks
pretty easily and I might do that.
He's another guy on new like, and I, I guess I kind of need it
to be more like OTAs, you know, but probably more training camp
than OTAs with, with Coleman, like like, hey, this guy seems
to be like in the mix, the Peyton fluff stuff.
He does that with everyone he drafts.
I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna get excited about that.
Yeah, yeah, fair enough. I do think he's a pretty good
path for back, but just from like watching him.
But I, I would like to be above the market on Coleman.
I don't know where his ADP winds up, but I would like to have a
an over market position at some point.
I would too. I would too, yeah.
Why? Why, Jacob, if you hate Kyron
Williams? Why?
Why do you have Blake Quorum 1:30 if you hate Kyron as much
as you say? Yeah, I mean, he has like he's
like the most trap back trap back in the history of trap
backs. His weekly role is not very
valuable. So I don't really know why I'm
paying the ninth round for a a backup.
Like I, I get that his contingent value is really high.
We've still never seen proof of concept.
I think that if Kyra went down, the Quorum would just be a total
workhorse. But like, we can't be 100% sure
that he would be. It's possible.
Year 2 Jarquez comes out from the crypt and starts getting
touches. And mostly I'm just looking at
it as like, what's the difference between Blake Quorum
and a complete backup? Like the fact that I might get
six points per game while Kyron's healthy like that ain't
worth it to me. So no, I'm, I'm, I'm using that
range to draft receivers primarily.
I mean, that's a receiver range I love.
Like I, I wanted to bring this up when we got into the
quarterback discussion and the the six round running backs.
But the the wide receiver range of Josh Downs, Matthew Golden,
Casey Concepcion, Xavier Worthy is like a range that I think
will just straight up outscore the wide receiver range of
Parker Washington, Alec Pierce, Michael Wilson, DK Metcalf,
Cortland son like that's that's a that's a heavy wide receiver
range for me. So I don't I don't totally get
the Coram price. Fair enough.
I don't. I don't think it's really fair
to call Coram a trap back. Like he had the same targets per
outrun as Kyron. Kyron's not a trap.
Back on. How on how many routes though?
Looks like 19% rabbit suspicion. Right.
So not not not a lot of routes. So this is this is Schrodinger's
franchise tag where Pickens signed it, then he didn't sign
it. The Pit.
The Falcons are open to trading Kyle Pitts.
I don't think that's going to happen.
Jennings visiting the Vikings actually does make a big time
sense because their third wide receiver right now is Ty Felton.
Percent trying to get more money.
Brandon Nyuk apparently. According to reports today, no
one can get a hold of him. Neither the Commanders nor the
49ers can get a hold of him. He seems pretty bearish, right?
We're very bearish. Where do you guys have Brissett?
Because that is forget Kenny Gainwell and forget the Sean
Sterling. Jacoby Brissett is the worst
pick on the board by like a mile.
He's just not going to play starting in the. 15 through 17
Why is he getting drafted? He's getting drafted because
Davis and I take Patrick Mahomes.
We need someone to help cover early season Patrick.
Mahomes, Malik Willis to Kobe Brissett.
Send it. I would rather, I would, I would
legitimately just rather take shudder Sanders.
I don't. I think Brissett's, well, I, I
mean, apparently he's gonna hold out, so I was gonna say he's
better bet to actually start, but maybe not.
In the late season though I think he starts week 1 but like
isn't isn't. That's what I mean.
I mean like. The odds are, but I take.
I take starting in Arizona. Daniel Jones and I take Patrick
Mahomes and so like he on three quarterback builds, I think he's
I I like the better pre draft before that he was going to hold
out and they drafted back. But yeah, Gino's the same thing.
Are you guys not on the Aaron Rodgers train with me?
Are you guys? He's my.
He's my most. Drafted.
He's my most drafted player. I take Aaron Rodgers some too,
and Aaron Rod what on the sidekick now Aaron Rodgers is
I'm seeing him more than those other guys, more than Brissette
and Geno. I still see some Geno, but we we
like percent a little bit, a decent bit actually before the
draft. Now not so much.
Yeah. And again, it's like in that did
I like him like as my was I like looking at the thing and be like
wow, percent. What a smash.
But like when you draft a decent amount of Patrick Mahomes, which
we do, I think he actually fits in OK.
That's there. Or did I think I?
I think I remain at 0%. Patrick Mahomes.
All right, we are. We are about to we are about to
do something big right here. So recapping just the tip shop
had Deshaun Watson, Anthony Richardson, Damon Claiborne, K
Tron Allen, Jalen Wright, Smush P Ryan, Keon Coleman, Marvin
Mims, Chris Bell, Mason Taylor, Pat Mac Jones, Tye Simpson to A
tag of Aloha hand on shoulder for Tye Simpson.
You. We were a first round pick, but
Brian Robinson, Junior Braylon Allen, Jeremy Sarat, Bryce
Lands, Kendrick Bourne, Pat Fryermuth, Fryermuth Small
winner. I have Rogers, Cousins and Gino.
I have Adam Randall and Najee Harris.
I have Hollywood Brown, Ted Hurst, Kobe Lane, Chester
Geunerhelm, Kate Otten. Jacob sadly is losing at the
It's tough in position. He only has Oscar Delt, but he
does have Derek Carr Michael Derek Carr, Michael Penny's
Junior. Hey, I think I think I like my
tight end better than Chopes ballad Zachariah.
Brandon is a huge win, Malachi Field, Chris Brazil and
Dontavian Wicks. And then we're we're here for
our first picks for last call actually.
And, and guys, my my home league, one of my home dynasty
leagues just sent a request. They want you guys to make a
celebrity pick in my in one of my dynasty.
Horrible. OK.
I know who Pat wants. I'm on the clock at 2:10.
I mean, obviously I want to take Zachariah Branch.
My team is. I can't pull it up right now.
It's pretty good. I believe, I believe Patrick,
Patrick Karen is going to be advocating for one Mr. Dejean
Stribling. That's true, dude.
I can't take Zachariah branch. I mean, that's who I.
Have branch as my as my highest ranked.
Player it's it's kind of silly to me that like we're going to
ikp onto like we're going to ignore draft capital so that we
can take a a yak limited player who probably sucks.
Like why don't we take the guy like in the better offense with
more draft capital. We don't have any confidence
that Zachariah Branch is good. Does it does it change your mind
at all that this team has like every it's every good receiver
like I it, it's completely loaded at receiver and.
If you if you want to take a different position, pitch that
because I think that's that's interesting.
Well, the bad, bad, bad, bad, bad.
News Oh, I. Mean my my boys. 1st that's hand
on shoulder meme. My my boy is here.
My my boy Raritan is available. Hey Raritan, I have Raradan
ahead of Jacob, so I'm down Stink.
Did you move him? Up.
Is that still? I might have to.
I might have. That's still true.
Let me let me confirm my tight. I'm settling for being 17 picks
ahead of ADP on Eli Raradan I. Think you know what?
I actually could use a tight end on this team.
My Yeah, I actually could use a tight end on this team.
Is it tight end premium? Not, not tight end premium it is
and. My best tight end.
Oh no. Antonio Williams is gone.
My my best tight end is is Shiga.
Khan is it super flex? No, but we have we start 6
flexes like it's it's like an insane it's.
Really deep. Roster super deep, yeah.
The type of league where, like before, another slot receiver
might make meaningful difference for you.
The the type of league where like having.
Kirk available with this pick like that might be a nice.
Value. It might be actually.
Well, it's super deep though. We have 30.
Manners. Honestly.
Honestly, I think you should either take Stribling or
Christian Kirk. You should if you believe.
If you really believe that Stribling is not worth taking
here, then I would like you to take Christian Kirk.
Kirk Kirk is rostered. I I will just say this, my wide
receiver 7 on this team is Emek Igbuka.
OK. All right.
I get what you're saying. I don't if it's not tight in
premium though, it's a Raritan is primarily a tight in premium
type of bet, I think. I mean, he's not.
Yeah, All right. Yeah, I, I mean, look, I I'm
willing to, if all of the spots where I'm willing to capitulate
to Dejean Sterling, I've seen worse spots like like it's not
tight in premium. So OK that that kind of nukes
Eli Raritan and like it. Really the only wide receiver I
ever ranked ahead of Stribling is Zechariah Branch, who like
it's terrible. So terrible.
Like he's terrible. That's the thing.
Like, I don't understand why we're not just easily breaking
ties amongst all these. Like, pretty terrible bets to
the guy who got drafted first. Yeah, boy.
Stribling his profile's just. So they're all bad I don't I.
Don't like has like a career? Really matter.
When he's an early declarer like, that's not that bad.
He's a third round pick. He's pretty bad.
Never, never let it be said that I don't listen to the
millionaire on the program, Desean Stribling.
Hey, I'm this guy's like fucking terrible dude, so I am sorry
about. That he's terrible.
He's like 10% if I don't even know why I said it if when
Desean Stribling is like one of the worst wide receivers in the
history, I'm never letting Pat live down ranking him as a Round
1 rookie pick. Never listen.
What am I supposed to do? Like there's no there's.
Come on, give me a break. There's no one else.
Also, at least I had Rarity when my first round.
When, when Jonah, when Jonah Coleman is just like nuking on
the on the Denver Broncos, you'll be hearing from my you'll
be hearing from my people. OK, that's fair.
Yeah. Fourth round, fourth round,
running back over first. First pick of the second round,
you know. Yeah, I think I'd and a bad.
Year to be a fourth round running back Domingo I you know
I made the this is this isn't fourth round capital case on
scataboo and Toot and guess what pretty good argument.
I think I won that. This isn't fourth round capital.
E even Coleman, it's like, it's like a sixth kind of.
Yeah, this is like, yeah, it's like 1/6.
So I mean, I, I think like so then it comes down to do you
want Stribling or do you want eighth round running back K Tron
Allen? Yeah, probably.
I probably should have taken a running back honestly.
It's like a baseball draft. 32nd 32nd round pick A.J.
Brown. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Benny says.
Now hedge and go trade for Kirk. You did teach us about the
importance of hedging earlier in the pod.
I mean, we are Christian Kirk. We carry the flame.
That's true. All right, Last call.
Korain, are you taking Stribling?
Well, we're starting over. We're starting over, but I will
take Stribling, yes. Yeah, yeah, you can have them.
It's definitely all yours. Yeah.
This, this is our new, this is our new official first pick of
Last Call, right? Yes.
So let's pull up the old ADP here.
I got it. I got it.
I got to say, there is a very interesting wrinkle of game
theory here and I'm wondering how you guys are thinking.
About it. Well, it's unfortunate that
Mister Rogers doesn't have an ADP.
That OK, so you you are you are thinking the same way I am,
which is that there's going to be a very, very.
Limited number of quarterbacks with I won't take the
quarterback that I'm most confident is playing in week 15
through 17 and he is unfortunately one of the least
enjoyable quarterbacks of all time.
That is Mr. Carson back. All right, you can have Carson
back. I'm going to take Michael
Pennix, Junior I I think he will have taken over from Tuotega by
Lola by then. So I'm going, I'm going Michael
Pannicks, junior and I might take, I might take to a next
week if I don't get sniped. And we can give Shope Efton
Chisholm or Keon Coleman one of the two.
Yeah, whichever 1 he wants. I saw someone comp Skylar Bell
to to Mark Chase. I think that was a meme.
It was like AI saw the rotor world blurb on it.
I I think I, I want to say someone was memeing.
OK, Is that it? Are we done?
Show. Show completed.
Karain I think. That's the show.
You're are you streaming tomorrow?
Not tomorrow, but back on with friend of the show, host of the
show, original host of the show, Sam Sherman on the leg up
channel on Thursday and doing doing a weekly stream, which
we're calling That's fair. That's really good.
Well, and we are all going to
be. We are all streaming together
tomorrow. We are also all streaming
together tomorrow, a show you might have heard of called Ship
Chasing that is at gosh is that at 1:30 in the afternoon Central
time. That sounds right.
That, that sounds right. It's very hard.
It's 1:00 or 1:30. I mean, I'll just check the
chat. We'll figure that out.
OK, so that'll be tomorrow. One, one or one?
Ship chasing is one, yeah. 11 Central Time tomorrow for. 1:00
Eastern Time. Wouldn't be 1 Eastern Time it it
would be two Eastern Time. Pretty sure it's 1 eastern.
Definitely not because I would have said it.
Looks like it's 2:00 Eastern Time.
Yeah, it's definitely 2 Eastern Time.
Oh my bad, because I would have said I would have said I can't
be free every day by then. This is like some incredible.
Oh, no, no iPod. Yeah, you're right.
It is 2 Eastern. The time of our show.
Of the show that we're gonna do. Yeah 2 Eastern Time tomorrow
ship chasing returns after the X spell draft Yeah we will we will
be back then. Do we have what it?
What is the what is the Sabres score is show is show?
They are. It's choke away this.
Game they are. It's 1:00 to 1:00.
They're head into the third period. 1 Rasmuss Dahlin goal
and one Elias Lindholm goal. There you go.
So we'll see you guys back. If you guys can't get enough of
these three specific guys talking about football, there is
another. I did want to.
I am doing AI, have a hockey pod.
I'm starting with Patrick Roy. I did just want to shout that
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