All right, guys, ship chasing Wednesday night fun.
Show tonight a ship Chasers, do not have the million-dollar
sweat, but do you know who does it is?
Of course, the go bills crew going for back-to-back ffp.
See, Main Event championships are guy, Hassan, who's in the
SFP finals is going to swing by will take a peek at Pat's Best
Paul Mania, three lineup. Anyone who's got a week 17
sweat? We will enjoy it tonight.
All on ship chasing prior homos, fix your side.
All right, it's Pat. It's Ben and I believe first
time on ship chasing which is definitely a fail on our part
considering you guys fucking won the main event last year.
How exactly do you on? It's Dom from FF go bills.
What's up, dude? Hey guys, good to be here.
What's going on? You seem way too calm to be
having another language when I feel like, I mean, there's
something to it happened last year.
Already. And I guess, like, some of those
initial nerves are gone. I also had a pretty crazy
holiday travel week. I mean, I got affected by
Southwest has so many other people did, and I just drove
cross-country from Fort Collins and Buffalo to visit family.
So, in some ways, this is like the least of my concerns are
like not at the Forefront of all my problems, I guess.
But I'll take that as a compliment.
So thanks guys. I know what I have like you know
a sweat or a team or something. I like like all toss it.
Over in my head. Like, when I'm falling asleep or
something, like how many times on that drive, where you just
thinking through this team starts, it batch of Team, totals
weather concerns IV. You must be just pouring over
this thing. Last night, I was laying in bed
with my three-year-old trying to get him to go to sleep in an
unfamiliar place and and I was doing exactly that for at least
an hour. Yeah, exactly.
Looks like we do have Nick part of the crew here, joining you
is, well Nick, what is up, man? Not too much.
Thanks for having me guys. Yeah yeah.
Are you a shot for a million now?
Yeah. Look at.
You're so casual about it to. This is just business as usual
for you guys. Yeah, we've already been here.
So this is so dumb. You just like before is V is
acting like in here. They have literally been here
before not going. Are you?
Guys get, are you guys going to be sweating together on Sunday?
Dom. I know.
You said you drove to Buffalo. Nick, are you in Buffalo?
Currently I am. Yeah.
So what's we actually? We're considering we haven't
talked it through but yeah well I'll be watching.
I like if someone asked me if I was superstitious, I would say
no. But at the same time, like this
last week aside from the southwest Fiasco, like I've done
literally all the exact same things I had done last year,
heading up into this, and one of those was watching the last week
at Nick's Now. So yeah, we'll be doing that.
Again. We'll look at the draft board
here in a second. This was the team when I clicked
on it within the FPC app just kind of the default starting
lineup. I mean of course you can't, you
know tip your hand too much here but is this what we're looking
at right now are maybe say Jones is he get kicked out of the
flex? What's going on with this
lineup? I say this is not a
front-runner. Yeah, I said this is the
FrontRunner for now, but there's there's definitely some things
we had been talking through via text on my drive.
And will have some decisions to make tomorrow night and over the
weekend. Yeah, I thought it was cool that
you guys are cool. Interesting.
Whatever you guys sat say, last week, I saw a lot of people
playing obviously at the monster week. 15 was in your lineup week
15 and was in. I mean he was a big big player
for a lot of That were up here on the top and then you guys
turn around and set him in week 16.
I was kind of curious if that was the intentional knowing that
a lot of other teams adds a Jones or up there.
And he had a weather game and you had other good options or
like was it decision at all impacted by your opponent's?
Or was it just strictly your starts?
It all of the above it's a we're quite familiar with the Jetson
have watched them a lot. This year's Bills fans are
stingy the really good against the Us sauce is really good.
But yeah, I mean, the weather played an impact.
We're always looking at the leaderboard and these situations
and understanding who around us has what understanding ownership
percentages and just like, who's in kind of immediate, Sean of
you. So yeah, we were, well aware of
a lot of teams having Zay and we actually, I mean, I think we
toggled our lineup, maybe like 15 minutes beforehand and there
were a couple other folks who who changed it after us as well.
So we might need to cut it. A little bit closer this time,
even if we're going to do something like that again.
So for people who aren't familiar today, are of course
here, the number one, ranked team Marv, Levy six 544 points.
You guys got a little bit of a cushion here.
What about 18 points? A little less than eighteen
Point cushion. Will look at the draft board
here. But tell us, what has this team
been up at the top for these past few weeks.
Was it one big charge? Like how did you guys find?
Yourself here. This team honestly just had a
monster week 15 we threw up 222 to start off the Sprint.
And yeah, last week we got this A Jones called, right.
So we've just we've just been pulling all the right strings so
far. And we got one more week to make
sure that we do that to try and finish this off.
But, uh, yeah, Sarkozy no good. I was gonna say, yeah, this team
of our portfolio had been the highest scoring team of the
year, but it was, it was like Fringe top 100 for most of the
year, I think. We crack top 100 for a couple
weeks and finish like 1/48, maybe overall and point
something along those lines. So, it mean, it was a very good
team, but in a lot of ways, this experience, this year has been a
lot different from last year's because last year's team, I
mean, to be frank like we hit the knots right?
Like we were in we were in first place overall for like two
months and we were in first place for the entire Sprint and
just kind of had you know, we had Jamar Cobb Debo Depot.
Yeah. Yeah.
Like we kind of had everyone. In a lot of ways.
It's it's not the same feeling is that like it?
You know, it's been a long strange trip for us as well,
just like, it's been for many of you out there since just been
kind of a weird year in fantasy and with a lot of ups and downs.
And when we get to look at the draft board, you you'll kind of
see sounds good. We had you said over the drop
will because it's not on the site.
You sent it over a little bit ago.
I was looking at it. You guys, took Allen Robinson to
the fourth round. Like this.
Dude, fucking sucks! We caught him and week eight
week. Eight week now.
It was like weeks, if you look at the draft board, though, the
whole, entire third, round was receiver.
So like in a typical 312 spot you would have been looking at
like I'm on Steve Brawner waddle and those would have been guys,
we are targeting but those guys went a little bit earlier in
this particular draft. So we kind of had to pick the
next best of the batch and we thought it was Allen Robinson at
the time, guide more. Keep this guy.
Warm. A god let's fucking roll the
die. It's the fucking sickest name
I've ever seen for a wide receiver on my goddamn Skype
if you guys had to use a word to describe Sky Moore's presence.
On this team would you use anchor or Skeleton Key?
Skeleton key. Okay
this was after we drop this team after the Thursday night game.
Yeah, we knew it was her. No.
Debt free logos and then we drop them Sunday morning, got it.
Makes sense. When did when did you finds a 12
week to week, two of them as move.
I do want to retroactively condemn you guys for hand
cucking the Dolphins back filled with Rahim bolster and Jeff
Wilson. You guys should have known as
oracle's that they would both end up in the Dolphins and that
you should be doing that, not happy with Jeff Wilson right
now. He kind of took it away from
most her last week we were at At most or and so he's kind of on
my shit list. Oh, you guys added Greg torch
early to, did you play him? And I'm looking at your fabric,
we did. I mean, we were we were grinding
receivers. I mean, you can just see the
pressure that got put on with the receivers early in the
strapped in like, you know, where Tony and Sky more.
We're at early on like we were grinding receivers early a bit
here. So yeah we played.
We played Dortch at least one week.
It might have been to added jerk McKinnon on this roster.
That's a big n played him. Yeah.
Both week so far. Correct.
Um, this was obviously a live
draft. First of all, how many bullets
did you guys fire at the main event?
Because I know there's people in the crowd saying right now, if I
had x amount of bullets, I would be going back to back for a
million dollars. Yeah, we fired seven this year
we did for last year so we about double that this year.
Jesus, that's it. I was really hoping you'd say
like 30 to make me feel better 7 doesn't make me feel better is
Holy to right before the tourney.
Like all of our teams just had one shit storm after another.
So we were just like watching all of our good teams crumble
and then this team in being the only team in the tournament had
the 222 Point week. 15 is just it resurrected all of our life,
all the out of nowhere. That's insane.
Also, you shout out to our guy Jameson painter.
He's in fifth place right now and drafted, I assumed it wasn't
the same draft. That would be wild.
If there are two teams from the Save draft back that It.
I think that guy was actually in another one of our drafts.
I'm pretty sure it was on our seventh team, I think.
Yeah, yeah, that guy was things are other life, drafted.
In Vegas yet, there was a couple I think the 8th Place team right
now was competing against us on one of our teams as well.
First game. What that?
What the hell? What is everything you guys
really seven drops is its some way that you're drafting, where
either you stress, it gets. Gets you guys next year.
We're obviously the luckiest play.
Who have ever entered this tournament and there's that's
the only explanation so people know.
Obviously, you have some Mainstays on here.
Kelsey Lambda vantaa Smith Patrick Mahomes Ramon Dre.
I guess I can mention fournette but who are the guys?
You know, Jose and McKinnon they supercharge your team late.
What has been the other kind of moving pieces?
Post draft for this team. We had combat combat was on our
team and we played him as a flex.
A couple weeks, DJ charc was preemptively added as a boomer
bus like potentially play him in the Sprint.
We haven't played him yet but he's a food.
Charco Verde this week and it's not I I kind of wanted to play
him a little bit over most her last week but ultimately, I got
with Wilson's injury. I wanted the exposure to a
potential Workhorse back and kind of check it off.
And of course, Wilson ends up playing and scoring the
touchdown via as an And it's just like kind of a little off
the radar pivot from a fun offense and it's just like he's
a nice piece there and can definitely hit.
What was your thought process with?
I mean, other than your receivers which is, frankly not
being very good with flexing like two running backs.
You just mention one and exposure to work horse, running
backs, you have, I mean this is it's interesting.
You have a, a drafter where you look to running backs in the
first ten rounds is that 10 and you were Flexing to last week on
a team that went, it's a very anchor, our be ish, whatever you
want to call it, you know, 0rp adjacent type draft to then be
playing for running backs and being in first place.
I mean, what's just talk about your mind set on running backs,
I guess it's funny. You say that because we're all
about playing receivers in the flex normally, but this is just
one of those spots where we don't have the receiver death
like we normally do. Because this is Seaver.
Avalanche kind of draft was like we were drafting with you guys
in this draft so we play it. We played the best available
options that we had last week and I happened to be must start
and for Nat and luckily for neck just gets dumped off all game
long from Tom Brady because you can't do anything else beside
throat. Oh God.
One in is running backs right now.
It seems like you guys have had a very Deft Touch with some of
your starts its as well. Because you look at a guy like
Leonard, fournette, who, you know, some people maybe even On
the show have been pounding the drum for Rashad white look like
that might happen. You know, getting guys like
banking a couple, I assumed it was one of the colca Met ceiling
games that you got. It seems like you guys have a
really good feel for that element.
Yeah. We benched, we bench for not the
first week of the Sprint. So yeah, like I said, we were
coming in like we had a decent team but not we weren't towards
the top of the leaderboard we understood them homes and Kelsey
were two of the highest own players in the Sprint, right?
So just stepping back for a This team needed ceiling like week,
one of this tournament what are our paths to winning when you're
up against a lot of other Mahomes, Kelsey teams?
Like, you can't be afraid to get a little creative.
And just, yeah, two weeks ago for Nazi.
I mean, we just didn't see him as a ceiling player, right?
Like it just didn't seem to make sense to play in there and then
ultimately we played in last week and yeah, the role still
still wasn't great. I mean, they were alternating
drives him and Rashad white. Like, if you watch they were
alternating Richard, White's drives just gonna write That's
my right down the field. It seemed like it was getting
majority of the work but they are just.
Yeah. I mean you know some of these
decisions are closed and like you're not going to get all
these right all the time and the fact that we're getting some of
these right now. I mean you can draw the
conclusion what you will but I'll just say, like, don't be
afraid to make your own choices and don't be afraid to, I know
better. Some of these situations, right?
Like don't get don't get tunnel vision or locked into a set of
rankings or like, Is Frederick, like, think about what your team
needs, and understand like what your paths to winning our and
then, yeah, we had a pretty dramatic like 222 Point first
week but benching for and I was part of that equation.
We're just like Sky doesn't have ceiling.
I mean, he helped us get to this point.
He was an important player for the first 12 months for us.
But ultimately like, first week of the Sprint we benched him for
is a Jones, right? Like we bench him for something
who we thought had a little more ceiling.
Yeah, that's incredible. What you guys said, you drafted.
Seven teams. Do you approach it from a
portfolio standpoint? Hey, we want to get x amount of
shares. If These Guys these offenses we
really like you can see here you guys kind of on slotted the
Chiefs, or is it just a hey, we got our sheets, we got our ATP
and we want to scoop up as much value.
I'm just kind of curious. How you approach your entire
portfolio. Yeah, we definitely like to be a
diverse like at this at this draft, this was our sixth draft
and we hadn't gotten Devonte Smith yet so it just seemed
right to take him in that spot especially with Many receivers
went in the five there to just felt like you know, there's
Renfro and Michael Thomas and Lon they're just it was a little
dry there. So I felt like a good spot to
get him when we didn't have any exposure to him yet.
So yeah, we have early like to diversify a little bit
especially with the early picks. We did have it.
We had a team that we took we end up with like three waddle
shares pretty early and we had seen that we took like Gabe
Davis over waddle at some point to avoid that like fourth waddle
share which obviously in hindsight like wasn't great.
And the portfolio portfolio wing of your of your teams like
there's pros and cons for sure. But we were, we were a little
sensitive to it and yeah. By the time you're in your six
or seven draft. I mean, Devante was one of our
favorite players coming into the year and we hadn't had them yet.
So it was nice to to make them a priority here and ultimately be
be one of the important guys for us down the stretch.
Yeah, what was what you guys? I was just curious how much you
guys are generally considering stacking, you know, I noticed
like In addition to the chief stack that you guys built, you
have Miami running back with waddle, you've got gain well
with Demonte Smith. I mean, those, those are just
good picks those spots, but you guys thinking about that?
Yes or no. I think we don't force Stacks
but if they come to you at the right spot you know it's pretty
easy to click it especially on teams like Philly and Kansas
City who were very high on this year?
Yeah, I think we had with the field expanding a little bit
this year. We had definitely talked about
it pre-draft that that stacking might end up being a little more
important than it had been in past years and like Ozzy said,
like we weren't forcing it, but we're made sense.
If he had to reach for a guy a little bit, that was a
potential. Tak kind of kind of thought
about it that way. How much did you think about the
Felix been honestly didn't know how many people were going to be
in the shootout. But last year wasn't like 500.
And this year it's only like 8:30 or something.
I think it was six always next year.
Yeah. So what's more?
But it's, I mean, though, I think of those as reasonably
similar. Yeah, sighs GPS.
If you will like they're not, if it's about the same, when you
get down there, you have what your top scoring team.
Either way. You can't just slip into the no
I mean it's still too. 50 more, really good teams but like yeah.
It's not, it's not making the field.
Like a huge GP. Actually, spy think we're ever.
I think we're averaging about the same amount of points right
now and where I think like the same spot.
It's not like well I guess we have a 17-point lead rather than
a 32-point lead. So I thought it was going to be
closer to doubling them, you know, closer to 1,000.
I don't know why I didn't really know how much bigger it got May
because the the high-end prize pool got doubled or something,
but I think you forgot to carry a zero or something, will ya?
I was a little surprised to get into it and be like oh there's
only 800 800 mm what someone in Chad pointed out that Kelsey at
the 112 was wild. I totally agree.
We were high-fiving after this for the the Kelsey CD start that
was like when we left the room it was talking like you know
Kelsey Kelsey know Andrews going into Vegas and Team Six and team
seven ones calcium always Andrew so that was like just macro If
things could go right for you, this is a getting Kelsey at
12:00. There was was really huge.
If Kelsey goes at 10:00 instead of pits, is this Ann Andrews
lamb team? Yeah, Mmm.
Yeah, we didn't have, we didn't have and reason have answers.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's, that's a
million-dollar pick right there. Team 10, you guys.
Oh, like, I don't know. My Christmas cards 100,000.
That was the joke last year with the team.
Finish in the Sprint. But he dropped jobber after what
week 3 week 4, and yeah, you send him a Christmas card.
So, the team 10 here, taking Kyle pets.
He must be a fan of the show and thank you friend.
We weren't taking over, Kelsey's.
Put that on us. We had we had took David
Montgomery. Good thing is so tilting because
all the underlying numbers were great this year, like I wish
you'd just like flat-out busted. It was bad, but I'm gonna draft
him again. So I want to eat you guys.
It sounds like as you talk about stuff earlier to you are very
thoughtful and intentional with your starts.
It decisions thinking about ownership, angles.
I'm curious. What kind of things did you guys
do to get your house in order before the Sprint?
You know, you have a team that's live.
That has some Firepower are you guys to kicker guys?
Did you add backup quarterbacks like what kind of stuff Did you
guys do to get ready for the Sprint?
You can take them. Yeah.
All the above. Think we added all.
I wish this team still had Jared Goff we caught as the backup at
some point earlier in the year. But yeah, we back up quarterback
two kickers. I suppose there's some argument
for three quarterbacks but I this is a negation here.
They're probably see. It seems, you know.
Afford to make any of those little mistakes.
You can't afford to have a good team, you know, lose what you
don't have a backup to jail in her.
It's right. Like to us in a 2000 dollar.
Buy-in tournament. Like, that's pretty egregious.
You need to have backups there. You need to sacrifice a roster
spot to make sure. I mean every Point counts here,
like the margins are so thin, so many just like coin-flip close
decisions. Like you can't be afford to blow
blowing points like that. Did you guys stream kicker in
defense throughout the year? I see you have.
Justin Tucker and Philadelphia defense, which I assume you guys
have been writing. I see Tucker on the roster.
You play them every week, not last week, and last week, for
McManus McManus got one point, three.
More will take it around so good.
Like, we're chasing domes Point basketball in December, right?
And McMahon at They trust him to care fire.
I mean those we joke about kickers and stuff, right, but
like those 55 yard field goals and ffp.
See you mean those are gonna Downs there touchdowns so yeah.
I mean we we think that 12 and we added Philly defense or
something. So we've had them most of the
year, so we didn't really need to take her that too much.
They've had a most favorable schedule, like, the whole way.
Oh yeah, they've been a smash, are you?
Um, you mentioned the ownership stuff?
Like, how deep in the weeds? Are you getting on that?
How many lines? Nups are you hunting?
Are you in putting players into spreadsheet to try to create
basically retroactive ownership projections and then leverage
that like how deep they are. You in it when you have a legit
sweater. Oh yeah, we make like a top-20.
We make, we make a spreadsheet of the top 20 other teams in the
top and just to see what kind of exposures were looking at who
were fading and to see if we need to, you know, look for some
levers somewhere. But yeah, I don't think with our
lineup this year, we can really change it around too much.
We just kind of got to play our best players but last year we
were doing that. I think like a little bit more
with the leverage because we had a bigger lead so you guys see
there are huge Bills fans does it pain you to draft?
Andre Stephenson DeVante Parker Raheem moster like it's like
Hazard Scout, your own division. You are division sucks, though.
Like, it just got to attack it, you know, there's no real, like
good defenses and our division, decide hours, you know, I guess
I've actually I've had the same conversation with would like
more casual friends and family about like how do you how do you
reconcile your bills fandom with fantasy football and there's
some compartmentalizing that Ins along the way.
Write like at some point, you know, your three or four into
this, you just it's just kind of barbecue reconciling is by
winning a million dollars. Yeah.
Are you worried that this stretch of two years is just
going to ruin fantasy football for you forever?
Like knowing how hard it is to have another sweat?
Like this? I contemplated retiring last
year. I'm like how is it not all
downhill from here at this point, right?
Like this has to be the peak. Yeah and I contemplated done
that for the rest of us. What are, what are some again?
You guys are very sharp, you know, I'm obviously running
incredibly hot as well, but like, what are some of your kind
of macro tips for the FPC main event.
I would like to think around here.
We like to build very high upside team, sometimes taking on
maybe too much risk. But with the idea of trying to
chase that top prize, the contest is so top-heavy, like
what are some, you know, pitfalls, you see other drafters
doing or things you guys think you do?
Really well. I would say I've used this
before, like, keep your head up, like, I see a lot of teams even
inexpensive. Well, first of all, I mean,
there are still even though it's like a two thousand dollar
League or whatever. There are still teams, who make
mistakes whether it's not paying close enough attention to
waivers, like not being a week, ahead of things on defense has,
or what have you? So I mean don't miss any of the
details. Like rule number one, like don't
miss anything, but number two is like, keep your head up.
Like don't get so like For example, on this team, we could
have gotten really stuck in tunnel vision and be like this
team needs receivers. Like we need to focus on adding
receivers and maximizing. How many receivers we carry on
this roster at all times, but you might have missed adding
Jerick McKinnon, pretty cheaply. If you did that.
Right? Like Jerick McKinnon I believe
at that point roster does like our rb6 at the bass, maybe even
rb7, but he was a guy who really, really stood out to us.
Like we've seen the ceiling for McKinnon and important stretches
for the Chiefs already. Like we have evidence that he is
like a reliable good player for them and someone caught him in
like week 9, right? Like even though you don't have
an obvious path for that player, like getting into your line up,
right? When he dad someone like keep
your head up. Like don't just like, focus on
what your team needs tomorrow. Like, think about what
ultimately we're playing for this three-week.
Stretch in December, right? Like you're trying to build
these teams that can hit ceiling at the end of the season, right?
So keep your head up, like keep thinking about.
All the ways you can maximize your opportunities for that.
And yeah, I like all your good teams are going to hit.
I mean, this this team was not my favorite team this year.
I had another one that didn't make the Sprint that that was
our favorite team at a couple tough injuries.
But like, keep your head up. Keep trying to maximize those
ceiling opportunities and give yourself the best chance at
least to hit down the stretch. I love that.
I think this team. And the way that it came
together is a root like everything you just said, it's a
perfect lesson for that. Like, you can manage your team
out of old. Whole like your draft doesn't
have to be perfect. You guys are gonna want a
million dollars here or knock on door.
It's okay. Potentially win a million
dollars here with a team that drafted Island ROMs in the
fourth round, which went through all the receivers Sky, more, all
these guys that did, you know, basically nothing jack shit for
your roster. All year, you I'm looking at
your ads right here. You said that you were kind of
bummed, you dropped your golf to drop him to pick up check and
kept. So that was one Whatever right?
But actually we're not in general.
Generals. Right.
No, I mean, what do you when you
see it though? It's like, okay.
Well, I can stomach that drop if that we went.
Yeah, we must have went naked Mahomes for a couple weeks there
then I think very cozy. He was our only quarterback for
a couple weeks we had until we accept.
Oh, yeah, yeah for sure. Yeah, which is, you could have
more on the homes as your only quarterback for sure funny.
How did you guys show enough restraint to only Blast Off on
seven teams? Like I feel like if Pat that and
I won the main event we'd have like 15 the next year, like
this. I mean, you guys seem to
understand your strengths and weak and weaknesses.
I assume you think there's diminishing returns after X
amount of teams Yeah, I don't know if 7 is like we could have
probably handled more. I have two young kids.
So there for me Fantasy, Football Camp.
Consume like every minute of my life all the time and frankly,
like Cosmic Sean's Converse. Yeah, it's a lot of work.
It's a lot of work even doing 17.
Some of these guys do like 50-something teams and hundred
teams and I don't know how they manage that because I don't
believe me do you? Yeah.
But it does seem like, I mean, we felt that at times, we
managed a lot of teams with co-managers but even with that
all that helped, it's still a lot.
And the thing that you said and it was kind of like a wake-up
call for us to of like, you know, keeping your head up and
keeping your head on a swivel like The more teams you have the
harder it is to do like you end up just worrying about the
surface level stop and not what's the look ahead defense?
What's the plan here? And you get sucked into more of
the immediate needs like you were mentioning and forget hey
let's just add the best player here.
You know, I definitely see some of the pitfalls when you keep
stacking teens on your portfolio and then important thing about
having too many teams, sometimes you might be playing a guy in
two leagues and you're like, well, we're playing them in
these two. We shouldn't play in this third
one, and that cost you another Another matchup because that was
actually your best player but you want to go to a different
less strong player sometimes having too many teams can lead
you down like bad decision, making, you know, this is
probably something that we've broken time.
Yeah, we're like well in this kind another league with let's
play the other guy I can just do last few years.
I've scaled up my team's quite a bit and I mean everything you're
saying about like not missing the details and stuff.
I would rubber Stamped Out 100% like I didn't miss the details
when I only had Like five or fewer Main Event teams.
I do now when I have like 20 plus like it's impossible did
you guys think? You know we certainly felt it
this year drafting you know the majority of our teams on stream
but even seeing the draft rooms from our first low Main Event
draft to our live Main Event draft you guys reference.
This being a wide receiver Avalanche room.
Did you guys noticed a trend shift in drafting rooms this
year and was that something that you then kind of had to go out
of your way to think of a strategy to combat?
Bat. Yeah, I mean every dress a
little bit different. You have to you gotta navigate
through every draft a little bit you know.
They all unfold a little bit differently so you got to adjust
to how every draft on, you know, goes and what this particular
draft. Luckily we had Devonte Smith
there at the 512 to kind of Save Our receiver room because if we
didn't hit that, we just have CD lamb and basically nothing else.
So yeah. I don't, it's anecdotal for me,
but I definitely think the popularity of like, Underdog
basketball and some other formats is definitely bleeding
bleeding into other drafts and like those Tendencies carry over
a bit. I don't know how quantifiable it
is. I'm sure sure.
Right wide receivers bumped up a little bit this year, but I
think part of that was the squeeze, right?
Like you doing rankings this year, it really felt like once
you got to like wide receiver 2728, like it got kind of
jumbled up and kind of Then afterwards, I think they
everyone was feeling that pressure a bit and some of
that's just going to fluctuate year-to-year.
Just depending on like how many receivers do really feel good
about as like every week starter or like very reliable ceiling
options like some of that's going to depend year to year.
But yeah I mean there's definitely Trends changing as
far as adjusting to it, I think you just need to be.
You need to come into a draft with an open mind on the way I
call it as like, we wargame, our drafts ahead of times, right?
Like will get the Early picks decisions for ffp C.
And the second we have draft slots will put in like
reasonable rankings and ADP and just try to figure out like your
best and worst case scenarios and where were those squeeze
spots are where those inflection points and drops were like, hey,
if I don't have this position by this round, I'm going to wait a
few more rounds or like, I don't have ax number of receivers by
this point that I need to Pivot and try to find some more like
Boomer bus guys. Like we do try to war game it a
bit and just that would be my recommendation is like stay.
Flexible during drafts and kind of be ready for anything.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's funny. You mentioned the, the wide
receivers, you know, kind of drying up.
We like often been kind of making the argument that wide
receivers. Like not as deep as you think it
is. But this year like that we
didn't have to make that argument.
I don't think anyone thought wide receiver was deep that
that's fine. Yeah I tried.
I don't know if that's gonna carry over till next year like I
don't know if you'll see receivers going later next year
necessarily. But I mean man, though the
fourth round receivers this, Year were pretty much disasters,
like all of them and the fifth to because I don't see brown.
Yeah, I was worried for a little bit.
I mean we were talking about it through six seven weeks because
like 0r B was just such a dominant presence.
Both like in the mainstream macro narratives I was like this
summer is going to be miserable but I honestly think the like
Josh Jacob surge, you know Derrick Henry coming on
Christian McCaffrey lighting things up again with the 49ers
I'm like maybe draft firms will be somewhat.
Curved heading into next year, maybe that's naive, but I'm kind
of telling myself that right now.
If we keep getting great rookie receiver classes, like we have
the last couple of years, I mean, hopefully the receiver
depth kind of picks up a little bit.
I mean, man, those receivers that went and the first round
this year. It seems like, I remember when
the draft was going off and thinking like wow some these
guys are going kind of early but you see you seeing flashes from
London, you see, Miguel Wilson's doing she will love is doing,
it's like, man, these receivers coming out of college seem to be
really, really be good. And it's been like this for a
couple years in a row, so hopefully we get another really
good class this year. I think the running back class
supposed to be stronger. So it'll be kind of really how
that shakes things up. Yeah, yeah.
So what are your guys has big Fades?
Like, it sounds like you've gone through all of your, your main
threats here who are you guys anti sweating this week?
Jefferson and Kettle? Those are the most most to own
and Tanning, agent Browns, AJ Brown and Josh, Ellen.
Sadly, wow. There you go.
That'll be fun. We just have to get a saw Lead.
So we can afford the 30 points that's coming from him because
we know we know that games going to be a shootout of this is,
this is called what it is. Yeah.
Well those are yeah, those are
some tough ones but like, you can certainly tell yourself some
stories. Where were those guys fail?
Kittles, been very volatile on you.
But he could also have five and you could be completely for the
age of ground. Devaugntah Smith run out.
The last couple weeks has been think I would Converse been
battle. I was rise to see as many AJ
Brown teams as high up on the leaderboard, as it was, I mean,
part of it was drafts lot. Reliable, is a couple what was
great about that he can literally walk on water.
He just walks right up leaderboards.
It's not, it's not very difficult for him.
No, I love the player. He just he wasn't.
I mean Devonte, smash last week so it's just out.
There was more that I saw. I was like, seven of the top 20.
I was like, okay, that's a lot. I think the reason why is
because a lot of the teams with AJ Brown and Jefferson so he
kind of hmm. Yeah.
Most people drop the Adrien Broner really smart so Oh they
probably had it was a great. We have we have kids.
I'm sorry. We have Kelsey leverage this
week. There's only like one time other
top 20 team with Kelsey so that's like really nice.
Really nice spot to be as awesome.
Yeah. What do you think?
Kind of happened in best Ball Mania as well?
Because Kelsey said to some what I mean he's been fine.
He's still dislike the top five tied in, but he just hasn't
there's other players scoring. Yeah.
Other players scoring. Yeah.
Didn't-didn't, Kelsey go nuclear.
Last time they played the Broncos, this season to her my
misremembering that money had enough.
Judy went nuclear in that game at the Kelsey for the kettle,
those two weeks ago while supporting your Hawkinson teams
that not Hawkinson as much higbee for sure.
I think one how can send in the top 20 and then you know, for
think or so and prohibit and this is like you You look at a
team like this, too. I mean on otherwise, this team
would be absolutely terrifying but it's like, okay, no, Jalen
hurts for AJ Brown. No, to of her Tyree kill.
Tony Pollard is banged up invited.
Like there's a lot of things that have broke really nicely
for this squad. Yeah.
Pollard doesn't plan because holler down the powers on the
number three. Team to Somalia.
Yeah Power does it go to Stephenson Chris Godwin, AJ
Brown zuerlein. Yeah he's got.
He's got hurts behind Manchu there to assess a painter.
By the way we were we were all going your team all year, like
you were, you had some tough luck losses if I remember
correctly but like, dude, your team was stacked all for.
You're so feisty men. Good job.
That's you guys played against him in a different League.
Yeah, he's in there. He was in there.
Other life Vegas draft on Friday.
God, it is nice. In chakram.
And reappear again to say, yeah, I mean, I haven't seen your
team. How many points is that?
Chasing you guys there? He went five and seven.
Why that's insane. Whoa, yeah, yeah.
How close is it on points? That's that's, we had a pretty
low scoring Point team that started.
Did what Aiden to and then lost the last two weeks and mess.
So we were in first place for way too long.
In that League kind of undeserving late and his team
was floundering in the standings, but just going off
and totally snack. All right, we Caleb wants to
pull up his team, in 27, to 30 30 G's, of course, recognize the
Denver area code there. Trevor Lawrence Montgomery,
Chimera AJ. Brown Watson, Kittle Godwin,
lock it. Those have to at least be some
relatively unique plays. Yeah, I mean, sure, what life
has to be. This is just Intentionally
throwing off, who you're starting?
Because obviously not playing lock it.
Well, Bak it practice, you practice.
No, he was at the walk through. It didn't actually practice.
Did he know she gonna play? There's talking about, he
determined. Wow Kazi, did you just correct
big peacock on there? I'm locked in.
We got our guy Gourmand G here. This is a fun team Fields.
McKinnon McCaffrey Tyree kjb, fryer move, Judy.
The Metcalf gold. This is where it feels.
So painful in a contest like this.
When you look at, you have this jacked up team, but then you
realize so many teams ahead of you have the same guy where
you're almost forced to like bench.
Some studs just from a uniqueness leverage angle it's
funny. You point out that team because
I noticed Gourmand G's during the first week of the shootout
Sean and I had a team that was like top hundred and I saw his
name clicked on it and it was like that fucker has the
McCaffrey Hill. AJ Brown Jerry, Judy connection
We have, but this is even better and he's like way ahead of us
right now. It's very similar to the team
that we have that's fallen out of it, like top 200 but because
it was a Hertz team, but he's now in the position, the
inverse, as you said that, there's a lot of people ahead of
him that have Tyreke that I've AJ Brown.
Those are high on guys man. Yeah and it does.
I mean the way this payout structure is set up like,
obviously every bit is nice to get but you are really
incentivize. To be like, yeah, I'm going to
take a fucking 10-point, projection hit to like get a new
unique guy. It here just to have a chance to
ladder up. I mean, you almost have to the
way that contest is structured. Remember I remember talking to
you, I was talking to my dad about it.
I was like, damn, I finishing ninth, like, I'm literally not
going to care, and he just like, kind of looked at me, like, I'm
talking about like, it doesn't matter.
It's just like, it's like, no money and we'll just absolutely
insane. How have you guys not started
your own if you win this? When are you going to start at
out site? Are you going to go streams?
I mean, what are you gonna do? I love I'm we're just going to
come back and win it again next year.
All right? Little 3pi.
Yeah I don't I don't prefer to be like a front man.
I guess like I prefer to work behind the scenes.
I little bit of Sean Siegel and me, I guess we're like I kind of
try to tune out a lot of the like I pay attention to Twitter
for for news updates and status. But I try not to get like two
into the group thinker like what's going on.
Like he was touting, what all the time necessarily, I read
Ben's work religiously so I know who he's Who he's all about, but
it's like, I don't want to get too much into that because I
really do think you need to kind of chart your own path and, and
iterate on your own process to get better at this game.
I don't know. Like, why you think the group
that's so bad? I mean, like, we've never fallen
victim to that on this show. We are very good about staying
balanced about people. I'll also try harder because he
drafted Sky more. So, yeah, yeah, yeah.
We got you. Hey, you say, you didn't get
influence and yet you have Skype or on your roster?
Very, yeah. Maybe we should check Twitter
more of anything more this year. How could you not?
You know. No that's a good point.
I mean being able to differentiate I mean I think
there's a massive value in anything that is different than
what basically everyone thinks it's really hard to do because
there's a lot of certainty at all times relative to what there
should be with anything NFL. I mean we know what's All chaos,
right? But like all through draft
season, even into the season, there's constant certainty about
what everything is and it's like what we saw most recently is
what it is. You get to this time of year and
you look back what we thought and August, but we thought in
July, what we thought in September and October, I mean
like we thought Bruce Hall was going to be the player that
determined everything this year. I mean, he might have been an
easy one to talk about as an injured player, but if he didn't
go down, yeah, there's so many examples of that do throughout
the year where what we knew to be certain.
At that time we should have Lot less certain about.
So being able to kind of tune that stuff out.
I think it's a huge deal. Yeah.
This isn't a best ball conversation but like it's one
of the things I think I think about best follows is the guys
that are going every single time in the 12th and 13th.
Round their range of outcomes is like, has a ton of overlap with
guys who are not always getting drafted and I don't think
everyone quite realizes that. Yeah, like I think ATP is pretty
reasonable in solid for the first like ten.
Rounds are so pretty often. Once you get past that we get
way too locked into takes a 49ers guy.
Like I remember like, Danny gray getting like a little bit of
hype and being a pretty Hammond 8th round pick and it's like,
why isn't anyone taking Juwan Jennings?
Like what is, what is the difference?
They're like, what is the difference between?
What's his name? The killer got drafted by the
Cowboys Tolbert and someone else who you might have had prayers A
Jones, right? Like someone else you have
priors on and you kind of think you had a conclusion but like
There's way more overlap in the range of outcomes than I think,
most of us realize. Yeah, I've been trying to think
about stuff through the auction lends a bit more.
And like you think about you know like a 13th round pick like
I don't know if that in auction terms, that might be in it.
Yeah, it might be a DOT like if you to have it you're going to
stars in Scrubs room like that would be like a two dollar.
One dollar pick might be a two or three dollars a lot.
Yeah. And and even if not, if it's in
a balanced room it's probably six or seven dollars.
Yeah, you know. So So it's not really worth that
much. Yeah, that is such a and you
know, I said similar this Aussies, I didn't go as
aggressive as you. I think I always said like,
after around 15, I think you definitely can make the case
like you said, but it is true. It's like there's so many of
those scenarios where it's like okay yes the player taken
around, let's say 13 or 14 has a 55 percent better chance than
the player not drafted or 1/18, but then they're drafted 99%
versus like 1%. It's like is that 5% 10% extra
worth sat on? Cedric Wilson Versa, sure.
Field in Miami right like short field, that I wouldn't take him
and he's the three. Like he's the guy they relied on
like Wilson based on the contract was more likely to hit
but like how much more often should you be taking him over
sure field, right? Like least one of the things
that I mean early in the off season, Jeff Wilson was not KDP
because it's EVP, right? Yeah, you could just scooped
Wilson. It was two years ago.
My big one I made the mistake. I was drafting a shit ton of Ola
meaty Zakia. It's in my Matt, Ryan stacks and
I should have been sprinkling in some Cordarrelle Patterson.
You know, like, as again, the like, the third fourth, we were
going early in the offseason. I was like, we gotta get, we
gotta make sure we get Armstead and does Igbo because because
anyone could start in Jacksonville, you have James
Robinson. I will tell people are really
good exercise it it's super hard to get out of this mentality,
but like a really good way is if you do the battle royales on
Underdog where they're just six rounds.
And you can literally build a super team.
Every drop you can just get all studs, only 36 players, drafted
and you force yourself to go deeper.
You seen, as on the badge, Bros, when teams with Josh Reynolds a
guy had Ritchie James, I think took down a tournament.
You know, you get out of your comfort zone, it never feels
good. You're passing on legitimate
Superstars to do this, but the uniqueness element is so
massive. So you just rip a bunch of those
starts to get a little easier and easier to be like, hey, yes,
is this a thinner Boettcher? But my path.
The Firth is first Is so much clearer and I think you hit on
the, the psychology of it really well there because I do think
people probably inherently understand what we're saying
about the 55/45 relative at 90 91 ownership, it's just hard to
pass on players. That you this might be your only
time getting a chance to draft them or what have you haven't
drafting them yet? Because this is where they go, I
want to get some exposure to him.
There's a multitude of reasons. Why when you're drafting your
like I uh, I get that. I should probably take a unique
pick here but kind of want to grab this guy instead, it's I'll
do it on the next difficult to do.
Not this team because I like this team and it's going to win
money. I should just take the more
obvious guy but the next team on mix it up, right?
Right. This seems too good to take
trencher field on Literally had it today.
I was doing a battle royale draft and I was doing it, you
know, Detroit Chicago and I went to do my comfy DJ chart click
and I said, no, slap yourself and I went to scroll down
further and I took Jameson Williams.
I love DJ truck. I love the setup for it, but
it's like, what is the difference of Jameson Williams
worse? DJ chart going off in this game
that much different than DJ chart.
Getting drafted in almost all these and Jameson Williams
going, undrafted know it's hard but it's definitely what you
want to do. Well this was a fun Divergent
treated this conversation here but we are all going to Be
rooting for you guys. I think it'd be such an
incredible story for you guys to take it down twice in a row.
So hopefully you guys get a fun set up of a fun sweat.
Here are you? What's the Monday night game?
Is this sweats going to stretch all the way into London house
listens. Oh my God.
Yeah, come on week 17. You guys wouldn't back to back.
I don't think we can rule out this year.
Oh yeah, Leone wanted us to not ask about that.
Will you tell that story real quick?
You are so we went and we are short story is we only lost the
credit card or left. We bought a steak restaurant got
like the chef special like for the whole table.
They brought in a bunch of different appetizers.
It was like, you know, per per head.
You pay an amount. We have to have to ask his bring
out a bunch of types of steaks to the whole family-style meal.
It was fucking incredible. I just got like pulled into it
because you guys weren't there yet but Leone and I were checked
in To the hotel. He had already talked to you
guys about this dinner, music, I got some guys from Buffalo.
I'm gonna go meet up with. I didn't even notice you guys, I
got there Don we had chatted before and you're like, oh, hey
Dom. But hey, you know, you know,
we've talked but an incredible meal.
I mean, with all these Buffalo guys who are literally arguing
over buffalo wings during the meal, the most efficient shit
I've ever seen, I started getting like a huge arguing
about it, and then we play credit card roulette and we were
pulling one at a time out, and it got down to you, Nick, right?
And Leo, you Last two, mainly it was Leone's idea to do credit
card roulette. He's so excited he's helmet.
And when there was like three left, I took his camera and film
him and then we have the reaction of him losing at the
very end, it was easy. He was so thrilled about it and
then, you know, pick up the tab. I mean, you have a one in seven
chance of having to pay the bill, the odds are in your
favor. You know, I mean that go Bills
team had a three in seven chance, but obviously, these
guys weren't so fucking pure, they do.
Yeah, I run, I run so bad at credit card roulette.
At like, it was kind, I definitely agree to, I don't
want to take credit for the idea, but I was totally on
board. I've lost roulette so many
times, I was so sure I was paying for it.
Like, I run so bad. Relax.
So, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna jinx anything or act like the,
the bird is in the hand here. But like, what do you think your
guys is, you know, contest selection might look like next
year, like, we've really enjoyed playing in the 10K.
The 5K leagues over on NFC, you know, better price structures
better chance to realize, you know, your Have you guys thought
about that? Obviously, you gotta defend your
crown fire bullets there but like, how do you think about you
have a legitimate bankroll now, regardless of what happens, how
do you guys think about that going forward?
Yeah, we dabbled in the 5K this year.
We have 212 Pig there and it's just it in unfold as nicely as
it did in this Propel. See, didn't fall to us in the
toilet. Yeah, yeah.
So yeah, we did one and it didn't go that good.
So depending on how this one goes, I'm sure we'll probably do
another 5K. It's hopefully we just get a
little bit better of a draft pick a nurse, you know, scrunch
behind all the, you know, sharps in the draft, I am fascinated by
basketball. I will probably try to play as
many Of the kind of expensive, short field, basketball
tournaments, as I can. I don't know how I mean.
BBM is cool. I don't know how I feel about
the format realistically, like, it's good practice, I guess in
some ways but like, 150 bullets. Like I just that's not for me.
I don't think we are in the final of the, the Bulldog, the
$500. I think was like a 216 person
field. So I'll probably try to do as
many of the like expensive short field.
Best box. I'm pretty fascinated by The
Format. I'm definitely don't nearly know
everything, but it's just something a little different
that has really piqued my interest over the last couple
months. So I'll probably do a little bit
more of that. Yeah, I think that's I mean be
BF3, it's just, it's so fucking fun to rip those into have that
the chance at that. But as you guys know, I mean,
not that dissimilar from the FPC main event, obviously, have more
control throughout the season, you know, tweaking things, but
it is such an advanced Lottery and everyone I've talked to you
too, has had similar thoughts It's lean into the Bulldogs, the
dalmatian, the Great Danes, the Mastiffs, you know, you can't
really realize your Edge in those more.
So yeah. And I think I mean, we are going
to see the biggest year for best of all we've ever seen this
coming summer. I think both, FPC and Underdog
will continue to offer a ton of new contest.
New formats like I think it's going to be a fucking Heyday.
For anyone wanting to fire up best of all this summer.
I had way too much briefs on like the ten or so, F of BC,
baseball tournaments. I get.
So I have a bone to pick their, I'll probably fire a few more of
this year as well. There you go.
You guys are more than welcome.
I know. Oh God, yeah, he was my most
roster guy, and be bm3 he was going way too late.
He's going way too late. He was an absolute smash the
guys. It's Kim and Garrett.
Wilson, just egregiously priced. No, but they're on the Jerry
there on the Jets, so don't take them.
Gary Wilson wide, receiver 60. Like come on, come on.
Yeah. You guys are bored more than
welcome to hang out. We're going to have our guy
Hassan join us. Talk about one of his sweats.
Pat, I want to check on on yours.
You guys got to go or you want to chill?
No, we can show. I just want to ask you guys real
quick to do you guys like drafting early or late for your
best ball drafts. Do you think you have a better
Advantage going in like April, or like closer to August?
So, I'll just say for, you know, the FPC stuff.
I'll let you guys say what you think about that.
I mean, all of my best teams for best Ball Mania.
Three like my Juggernaut teams were all early.
Like most of them drafted before the schedule at even come out
and, you know, my team that almost made it through to the
finals. Was a late May team.
So, yeah, I'm definitely with with the underdog stuff, like
the kind of teams you can get there early, although ffp.
See, I don't know if I have a thought on that.
Still, we always did. Bait that every year do you guys
have a read on that feel like it's kind of dependent on the
year. I mean, there's pros and cons,
it's kind of probably depending on like what players you're on
and how you are as a drafter. I mean, I think can go either
way, there's going to be years. We're we're you like the early
stuff like you do this here, Pete and it's going to be years,
work towards the end, you like the late stuff because, you
know, stuff that you're on early broke wrong before August.
Yeah. How could, the rookie class is
probably matters a lot because the rookies almost inevitably
get more expensive. Yeah, yeah.
But you know, if they, if they're not going to hit anyway,
Cares. Yeah, that's a good point.
Yeah, come on, welcome to the show.
My did. That's for having me on, man.
I'm excited to be in the presence of gold bills.
These guys are just laughing the field B.
They thought we wanted to interview them for journalistic.
You know, purposes were actually just trying to, like, capture
their Aura just like obvious. It's like bringing some of that,
right? Like, we need it here, I know,
but I have a better question. Would you guys give us your
money? Strategy tips just just alone.
I don't want to loan. I just want you to give me the
prize money. She got a semi series will
probably throw a pizza. Will throw a pizza party pizza
because Dom like you know, our buddy Liam who won best Ball
Mania to last year. Like he was firing hard this
year and part of it. You see it year after year?
I know Scott blumstein. Who won the main event in poker?
He fired hard in a lot of high rollers after because you know,
your shot taking and also you know, worst-case scenario.
Reduce your tax liability. Is that like, did you guys did
that factor into your head this past year or no.
I mean I'm a CPA. So I won't say anything like for
sure loss or gains or anything like that, I mean, but yeah, no,
it's definitely part of it and like, you know, seize the moment
of that right? Like it's a once-in-a-lifetime
thing twice, I guess now. But like the once-in-a-lifetime
thing like yeah, Jason a little bit sure.
I mean we're all were all somewhat degenerate at the end
of the day, right? Like There you go.
There you go. Um, Hassan.
This is a brutal transition to go from a million-dollar sweat
to Ascot fish ball sweat. But do you want to talk about
your teeth? Yeah.
A little bit of money means you
can now For the less fortunate. All right, so tell us about your
fucking team. The sorry champ the waitress on
when Scott Fishbowl then will you give him the prize money?
I think that that would be a little bit of a miracle in all
honesty, which which I'm restarting, 18 points in the
hole. Let me see if I can pull up my
team here. That's not it if you if you win
this and we win the million I'll take it out of my share 10K.
Charity of your choice. Let's go.
There we go. There we go.
It's not even that generous. He's a CPA, he knows that's a
great time so y'all can see my team right here.
I'm currently. So I, I entered the playoffs as
the 1280. 15 starting in, God knows.
When was a week, 11 of them in a little bit on your Chrome tab.
Yeah. Series 1280.
What relevance is that? So the way the Scott fish will
format it set up is that it's supposed to eliminate
hypothetically, the bottom 10% of the bottom, 25% of the league
as you go along, right? But the but the weekly average
in the playoffs follows you over the course of the league, or as
far as you get in the playoffs, it does either drag or So you're
overcoming that pole. Yeah, yeah.
Average. That's Yeah, by a good chunk.
So, so for everyone who said 0, RB doesn't work, probably
actually owes me a million dollars.
I love your wide receivers and quarterbacks.
I am a little worried about your running backs here.
I'm actually very worried about, my, my running backs here as
well. Because so, just so just talking
a little bit about about charity.
I believe, Tony Pollard will donate 50.
Dollars for every yard he puts up this week and he's going to
give it to st. Jude's.
I don't think he's had three straight DNC true.
Yeah, yet if you'd about it so he's see the three straight
dmps. Always don't know.
What is your guys is your own be careful?
Tony Pollard knows that's a great tax write-off.
It's not. So one of the things is so this
is super flex and as All know the now famous animal abuse
start of Dak hurts. And lamb was what was my
preferred but Call me going from nowhere,
right? But so so realistically I think,
the way that the real way to go in these tournaments again you
got to lean into the variance a little bit, right?
So I mean and how else you going to do that is by stacking the
passing game. So it was it was very big.
I got squeezed out at running back but both running back and
tight end in this and I just had values like D Higgins.
Devante Smith Aja Brown of Cortland sudden fall I think and
I'm sorry I missed the early part of the show but Devonte
Smith's price this entire offseason was frankly quite
criminal and how cheap he was right.
And then the fact that I was able to after after you're able
to build a solid wide receiver basic that the fact that you're
and that there's no good tight ends up in the dynamic premium
format. Makes it easier to stomach the
pricing on a guy like A.J Dylan. And to only fall into this,
premium are be at those premiums your RV prices.
I think, really what helped me for most of the season was
Jamaal Williams where I got him was actually at our be 60 and he
leads the league in touch Tails. Hey, it's sometimes sometimes
you just sometimes, Just get lucky.
There was like there was a no thought about it like that, but
I went into it on my end, except for the fact that I knew he was
gonna be on the, on the Detroit Lions.
I need a running back and he reserved our be 60.
So I just took them. He's been huge for you, but are
you still playing him? I mean, he's been strong.
Yeah. Yeah.
I've been playing him ahead of guys like Courtland.
Sutton David Bell died aboard of late just because and even
Michael Gallop just because like the fact that they use him in
third and short situations, get you Jeep you know, Point prefers
down type stuff, he's been getting me nothing.
Yeah I was looking at running back and thinking your deck or
herzl and might be deck cook lamb this time around because I
know I'm definitely going to be starting James Cook this Sunday.
I think I'm already 18 points in the hole so I'm like the 28 out
of 30 out of 30 teams right now. So I'm going to need a bit of a
bit of a miracle. James Cook has really come on.
So I've been unfortunate to have missed his bets the last two, a
couple of weeks where I was trying to bet his rush yards and
Rush a Russian records over ever.
Since he started gaining a little bit more traction, I
guess for the for, for lack of a better term in that offense.
But I think he's going to be a foreplay for me.
This this this, this weekend for lack of a better term.
Are you guys are you guys going to be starting him on your on
your, but you guys are on picked on me, but I'm sorry.
Curiosity where you're like, I want to get the the day from the
buff. Guys, we're definitely rooting
for him. He's on her bull, dog.
Team, I guess I'm still a little skeptical.
I don't see like, I don't see huge ceiling games in here for
him necessarily and obviously hoping for the best.
And I'm from your position. Totally agree with your with
your thought process and would start him.
I'm just not 100% sure. That's how we're going to try to
attack The Bangles, but I mean, he could catch two touchdowns
for you. And like you said, kind of from
where you're at, I think makes a ton of sense.
Yeah. I mean, I'm I mean I'm sitting
at a, as an 18-point dog right now and it's tough making that
point differential up, especially because I've got
Gardner Minshew as much as starting quarterback.
Now this is the last week, right?
Yeah, this is the last week and then how many people are in it?
There's only 30. So the cut down last week, there
were 500 people in the playoffs last week.
I know Pat you were you were running, you were pretty close
to making the the Final Cut. I think Levitan was as well, the
There's a lot of very sharp, very good players who made it to
the final 500 last week. And just if it's a bit was a
brutal cut, right? Like going from 530?
Yeah, because it's very small Cuts.
Like you just basically have to stay just out of the bottom ten
or ten percent I mean right? Yeah.
Just all the sudden 30. Yeah it was like the thing of
snap we're all gone. Yeah.
John do you have a spreadsheet with ownership percentages of
all of your competitors and looking for ways to Leverage.
That with your starts. It decisions.
Go over Vibes on this one, man. Steam, which is again beat that.
You were saying was an early team.
This one had like, Rob Gronkowski in the 12th round,
and I was just like, sat there and shock like, you know, missed
miss moving on to the week 17 from like 10 points or
something. And it was like, well, Wonder
what drinking for a week is like.
So, just a nice old Bender Assad.
We are all rooting for you. What do you put the chances that
you taking this down? Give us a number.
No, honestly, very low. I'd probably put it below 6%.
Okay. Later.
I won't Uncle is still capable of going
for like 140 and and not a not winning, you know.
It's just like I don't really think I want to put a number to
it but it definitely not as confident as last year 18 points
over s 25 over third and Beyond. So a little bit of a cushion
built. I think we have a pretty good
chance of finishing. The top three like I would I
would definitely about us to finish in the top three.
I don't know about winning. No.
I mean, someone could, someone could still charge up the
leaderboard? I think.
But no, I don't like putting a number to it.
It feels like a lock when you look at it now and then I try to
think about the number and I felt like he was under 50%.
It did. Yeah, it is it does definitely
under 50. Like it's not if you get a
quintessential, Kelsey game that number gets gets much bigger,
you have until seal everything. So nicely let's look at your
team that is lie. Here I can pull up.
I'll share a my screen here because I did.
I put the Flash doesn't have grow Joe somehow.
It doesn't. Yeah, I don't know how probably
because, you know, I don't know who's to say, why can I ask you
guys like, where you're at on the calcium narrative about
like, how he's chasing these two records, right?
Most receiving yards, and most receptions.
As it comes down to, from a tight end.
This NFL, see if it could be six at the All-time leader at
records and you guys do you guys buy into this narrative or are
you sort of hoping that it's more?
Kind of just a little random. I wanted to get you guys take on
that. I'm hoping that the Denver
Broncos continue just to be like a corpse of a team and continue
to give up and they didn't stop the Rams once last week.
I don't think so. I mean, that's either Mayfield.
I don't want to overcomplicate. That's the angle.
Yeah, if they're going to be a corpse of a team, he's going for
records. If the Casey could do whatever
they want but Holmes might be more willing to throw.
I mean, you can I mean done, Denver plays them pretty well.
Like even this year, I mean the game Denver actually is what one
of the three games, they scored more than 20 points or four
games of scored more than 20 points.
Like they've played them pretty well.
Historically and I'm always a little cautious about that like
second division game being a little cagey, but yeah, I mean
obviously the Broncos team the showed up last Weak like they
can show up again this week. That would be really, really
nice. Did I see that Baker had?
Like only 100 are yards or something crazy and that they
were just being a part on short stuff, neither is like 2.80
Hardware, something insane. That's crazy 1000, Tyler higbee
Cuts. That's all you need Pat the way
I know you're not emotionally invested in this BBM.
Three finals as you have not titled this spreadsheet and
that's good. You do not want to be heavily
emotionally invested. You want to keep this at an
arm's. Length.
And then be pleasantly surprised that I mean it's a 470 team
field. I had a I had a sweat.
You guys are talking about the fournette thing.
I had Rashad white going against Leonard fournette.
In a Draft Kings final, that would have been a 20-man field.
That's 50k up top got two million but I got bounced from
that because of that and then fading Keenan Allen.
But the Austin echo or two touchdowns at least got me this
bullet. So you know, it's it's a it's a
sweat unfortunately. It's a it's also a dolphin's on
Slot with to it to it being out really hurts this.
Yeah, I kind of had a surprise Barclays 23% Yeah, that's not
great especially because Echo actually have like some Eckler
leverage but he didn't practice today with this knee thing.
So are we get to know you limited today?
You could really use a big fucking Hunter and froggy tiered
systems new favorite color. I guess I got, I got that little
Hunter run for a mini. What if that's who I think?
Kettles and 39. Okay.
Wow. Advantage that far.
Yeah, why do? So I actually have a fair amount
of chalk with Barkley waddle. It is so crazy.
How much more valuable Kelsey spending every other tight end?
He's on your guys's team and the other thing and Kettle and
Hawkinson have those rates higbee's at the bottom of that
screen we're doing. See Kelsey on this because of
the, you know, strong. Yeah.
April you have Kelsey and Harry Golden taysom Hill is nine other
Titans decided to score. For the last two weeks ago.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I think I'm pretty like I
just it's all about Brady. I think Brady to God when a DJ
more come on back because that's that's two percent seven percent
10 percent. So that stack has to go nuclear
and then we'll, then we'll start sweating.
Yeah. Yeah.
Cole. Yeah.
And I mean, it's, I mean, there's still stuff with
obviously not having to of, but I, I mean, there's still plenty
to play for here for the Dolphins.
I think some of that stuff could still be fine, the Patriots like
nuts and pushing. The the Dolphins would be pretty
sweet because I got you have the correlations.
You built this tea with weeks. I would do in mind, I did now
was stacking the, the tooless Dolphins game against the
Patriots, the best bet for probably, probably better.
If you get the Tampa DJ more, come back.
Right? And you get the I mean you don't
have to get all of your loan guys.
If you had run from in kittel, hit like kill kill can hit as
many fun trying to make if Renfro hits with him.
It's incredible Retros. Actually not the worst piece to
have with Jared Stidham and you know this fearsome right pass
rush and everything. Just just check it down dumping
off by of times. It's like Pat it is curious that
you say Darius Layton's better than Juan Del Robinson and yet
you have $1 obviously that's what I did.
And I can say there s better to like week, seven,
we deserve it. We do.
We deserve it, man. That'd be, that'd be really fun.
Yeah, I need I need a bus and you just bring back that would
be that would be well, I've probably shit on get sticky more
than any player. Game.
So, you know that, that drove me nuts.
So anyway, this everyone on here.
I don't like, but let's go one time.
You didn't even think of this fat you backdoored into, I
guess. Yeah.
I don't think he'd signed at this point.
He was of the he's on the Dolphins.
Dude. The dolphins that was the thesis
of your thumb. Oh, that's why you got them?
Yeah, you're right. I was like why did I do that?
Why did I have? But you had it.
You had handcuffed her. He moster you.
Did the to really nice more defensible.
And uh, yeah. Barely because I looked I think
I got most of it in the 16th and I think it's incredibly
defensible. The logic worked out, perfect.
You said I want one of them to be the main guy in most routes
out of really great year for yeah, this roster.
Yeah. And you're right for the wrong
reasons, they handcuffed Jeff Wilson and Rahim most ER I mean
just a lot of Hancock Yang on around here.
These guys could be traded. It is funny that you just said
you hate all these players and they drafted a whole bunch of
fucking Patriots and Dolphins. You guys just got a bunch of
players that you hate on your teams that you're rooting for
this week. Well, I want I won't hate him if
they do well this week, okay. Mike is sticky will be my
favorite player of all time. This works, you touchdowns?
I gotta tell Sean the shutout. The draft, the guys that you
likes Rootin for. We got to start drafting the
guys, we fucking hate shot. Yeah, that's that's right.
Life is not easy fantasy, shouldn't be easy.
She just ate everything. I mean, we drafted Leonard
fournette, we hate that guy. Yeah, I've never whoopee PR
Dynamo do huh? Wow, sure sure.
He sure was last week man. That was, that was tilting.
Yeah, I hate that guy. I don't have any teams.
I hate him because he's beating me.
Me, there's nothing pretty likable which also tells me.
He's he's he's funny on Twitter. Yeah, I can't believe he's like
in the comments though like worrying about what people think
of him at this point though, there's just something about
that that I guess. I don't, I don't think I really
understand. Like I wouldn't I would I'd be
so tuned out I guess if I was him but it's like, Kevin Durant
syndrome. Those guys are just so extremely
online. They just love it.
Yeah. Yeah, Kevin Durant.
Syndrome is the right name for his sweet.
Yes. Hassan are you having a bunch of
people over to sweat your sapt in this weekend?
Yeah, it's going to be going to be.
I just me, everybody throw having them all over to my
house. We're going to have a massive,
massive showing, a big old viewing.
Yeah, I think I think I am going to probably do It's some some
amount of Charity. I guess.
Whatever my has got to pick a charity and then and that Dom
ships you yeah. Yeah.
If I could somehow match that, maybe I go sell a kidney or
something. I don't know.
You don't have to, you don't have to match.
It wasn't like but no. But I am, I am, I'm definitely
gonna percentage of that is that of his whole prize pool million
dollars. Oh no, I just picked a number,
dude. Like a sounded reasonable.
It's out, its out aggressively. I think you needed.
You need to donate one percent of your total prize pool as
well. I will, I will do that hard.
Let's go. I want, I think I get if I get a
belt house until it is the resale value of this belt
because I need No. But you know honestly it's
probably just going to be me binge drinking by myself.
It sounds lovely. That's really lovely.
Our other group ship chasing sweat here.
So we are in the race, the points race in our NFC 10K
League. We do not have a shot at first
anymore. It doesn't seem like but still
relatively live for second, but we keep taking hits, guys.
We lost to uh. So now we're relying on Russell
Wilson who I Told is fixable, hopefully, they plan to fix him
is before week 17 and not before the 2023 season and Austin
Eckler, who has been the Bedrock of our team who now looks
questionable. So guys, we're gonna have to get
real creative with this 10 K line up.
This fantastic and we are incredibly live.
We're only down by like let's see, nine points to office.
Second the second we're in third right now, fourth is right
behind us. First shot out had Kirk Cousins
Jefferson two. It's receivers last week, got a
got a big big week last week and kind of pulled away their about
70 points ahead of us. We would need a Monster Week to
catch them now. But second place still would be
a really nice return. Fourth place would be jack shit.
So we are right in this range of in third place is like money
back. So we are right in this adults
we have already. Collectively discussed.
We need second place so bad so we could fire extremely hard at
the FPC play after that. We like we need this big role
booster. Hasn't been the best week in DFS
best year in DFS. I mean, everyone's down
horrendous. It's so this is Garrett Wilson.
This, this is your time to go nuclear, my friend.
We need it, we need it. Who else, who else are the big
guys were counting on? We're going to be debating like
Tyler algier and Dobbins for a spot assuming.
That's right back Tyler. Yeah I think we're all leaning
out to your so that might not be a big debate.
We have to decide between Jelani woods and train McBride.
A Titan Titan has just been a disaster for this team, dude.
We were like, literally like, oh, should we add chicken?
Anka Okonkwo he be dust now, Hunter Henry was a guy.
We strongly debated. He'd be dust.
Like, every single tight end we even thought about is a zero.
Yes, this app. It's team.
Yes, this was app, it's very pretty proud about that.
We are proud. Yeah, it is, you know, we'll see
what we can do. Oh, a landscape.
It's very salty. Excuse.
Yeah right Elsa freestyle team to all three yeah but it goes to
show when you contest selection correctly you know you could
still be alive even when things don't break exactly right.
For you already talked about the Boomer up though.
For you know I was just gonna say Boomer opto we haven't
huddled yet for what our show plans will be.
I'll tell you right now. I'm not gonna be able to do
fucking five shows like I did last year I will I think I do
Me. So I love this tournament.
It's my favorite. I'm not saying, I'm not saying
you don't love it, maybe sub with Gretchen ivies up without
us but yes we will be back for that achiever.
Saying pretty sure everyone in the ship chasing Discord has a
Pomeranian sweat. I have too much to Unity to talk
about my sweat in the Pomeranian 49 or whatever it is.
I just can't even bring myself to sweat it but good luck to
everyone in the Pomeranian finals.
Any other final sweats, any final Mojo Juju you guys want to
get out here before we close things up.
You guys mentioned, Russell Wilson in the Denver area.
They still run like, you know, there's like a hospital and like
a charity organization that run commercials with Russell Wilson,
and it's still like in December. And I just imagine Broncos fans
like cringing. Every time I show up on the TV
and brings a little smile on my face.
When I see it, I'm not going, it's so good.
Yeah it's a check out. I was just listening to a to
Gretchen Shaw and talk in depth about the Broncos long-term
clusterfuck of a situation here. Check that out on stealing
bananas Nick. Anything else here and he final
shouts. You want to talk shit about
people, talk about what you're going to spend money on
etcetera? No, not really.
We have a sweat in the Bulldog left.
So we're only quarterback is DeShaun Watson.
So we're hoping that DeShaun Watson has somewhat of a decent
game this week. So we can maybe sneak into this,
where our team is. So weird in the Bulldog.
It's not like, it's Unique, but like we got a shot in there.
So we're hoping we win that one, too.
It's a smooth. Just put the Bulldog on the back
burner. Let's worry about the noises
that it's so it like, there's so much Mahomes.
It's like, it's so hard, it's gonna be so hard.
Okay. Forget the bull.
Classic. I see you're going to tell me is
that this is tough because you're going to be rooting for
James Cook on Hassan's, sfb team, just like fucking chill
out of. That's what we have.
A, it's a Sake, One, Pollard, cooked him.
Those are only three running backs were doing anything right
now. So yeah, you know, what is he
brother? Travis Kelce to the moon this
week. Let's go Nick, let's do it.
So let's go and we just hit next year, only ones.
Tyler, Algiers Accords, mini correlation for week 17, which
still the Josh Norris to the Moon?
If we could just recreate that, with Tyler LG rattray McBride,
it's still the same thing for me.
Take down second and attend. K-league faculty, pretty sweet.
All right. Final words from you.
Any other Peta violations you want to list off.
No I just want to wish everyone here the best of luck for their
for their finals and please tweet at me and you guys are
shipping this stuff. So I can I can at least have
some kind of second and sweat while as an image or as I'm
enjoying you guys you know smashing yes I appreciate all of
you ship Chasers tis the season for chasing those ships securing
those ships. Good.
Luck to all of you. Good luck to the go bills, crew,
good luck to Hassan, good luck to us in the NFC, 10K, to all of
you and your palms, your puppies.
Your tibetian Mastiffs will see you guys next week.
Hopefully lifting and trophies, and Counting the cash.