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Good morning from cold but sunny
Buffalo on this 2025 tax day. 

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I'm Mike Shope. 
Our heroes, Jacob Patton Davis 

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will join me in a moment. 
First, a shout out to our 

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excellent, great colleague Zach.
He's tied up with a family 

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thing, does the open and the 
different slides. 

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Best wishes and good health to 
him and his wife Callie and 

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their family. 
Round one of the NFL draft is 9 

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days out. 
We'll check some mock drafts 

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from a few prominent analysts 
today and see if we like their 

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predictions, not only for their 
chances of being right, but how 

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it would help us from a fantasy 
perspective. 

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Also today, Jacobs, last week's 
prescient Tyree kill take. 

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And what is a boring player it 
is Jackie Robinson Day, April 

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15th 252025 ADP chasing with 
Pat, Jacob and Davis. 

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I'm Mike. 
Let's go in Underdog. 

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Best ball. 
ADP is set by two separate yet 

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equally important groups. 
Streamers that set the market 

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and the slappies that chase it. 
These are their stories. 

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May I please start with a Jackie
Robinson story you may like? 

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Of course. 
So I used to host on my. 

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Guys been to high school 
together. 

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Already. 
Yeah, that's right. 

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On my radio station in Buffalo, 
I used to host a card show on 

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Saturday mornings called The 
Hobby and Bulldog. 

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Pat's a big bulldog guy. 
My, you know, daily Co host. 

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I was showing him once how like 
an auction site worked. 

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And here was this auction for a 
1952 the Seminole top set Jackie

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Robinson card graded 8 out of 
10. 

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Like, oh, you know, you know, 
it's a it's a month long 

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auction, but I'll just put a bid
in here to show you how it 

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works. 
A minimum bid and no way it 

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wins. 
Then a month goes by and it wins

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$8000. 
I'm invested on this card. 

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I had no intention of buying, 
had no money for whatever. 

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So I get home, tell my wife good
thing her mother was here. 

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That softened the blow. 
I've just bought an $8000 

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baseball card. 
Hi. 

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So the idea, you know, I put the
money together. 

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I rented a bank safety deposit 
box for this card. 

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I had thoughts of like, this 
will be my son's graduation 

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present someday. 
I'm gonna, you know, own this 

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card and be happy about it. 
So years go by, we bought a new 

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house, COVID, COVID happens and 
card prices spike. 

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It goes nuts. 
Like everybody sort of wants to 

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put their money into something 
else that can't go out. 

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So I sell my Robinson for 13 
grand. 

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I think it. 
Had to. 

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Had to. 
Had to, you know, I was mixed 

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about it because it was if you 
can get 50% profit on anything, 

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you'll take it. 
But you know, I was sort of 

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missing it and six months later 
it sold for 1/4 million. 

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I was oh that is not where I 
thought it was going that so 

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Mike, I thought you were going 
to go and now cards are worth 

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fuck all. 
So I bought it for $3000 last 

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week. 
Here's a 54 But but for real 

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though. 
Here's a 54 just you know, I, I,

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I saved some of my collection 
anyway, 54 Robinson, it's OK. 

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It's still don't you have to 
take you take the 50% every 

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time. 
It's fantasy relatable. 

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It's fantasy adjacent. 
You know, you just sometimes you

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make a dynasty trade and the guy
goes wrong A. 

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A profitable trade you can never
be upset about because it all 

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comes around in the end. 
Yeah, it all kind of comes 

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around. 
I'm pumped I traded Pukukua for 

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a 25 second after. 
Yeah, that was a good decision. 

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Was a good decision. 
I I was right about that. 

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That's a win for me. 
That's. 

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The one that I made, that's just
math. 

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That's right. 
I have one friend who every time

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I see him is like, oh, that 
Robinson. 

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Like really? 
You have to do that every time. 

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Come on, God. 
But you know anyway. 

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There's a my dad is a newspaper 
writer, does feature stories, 

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and he did one on a guy who had 
a Wayne Gretzky rookie card and 

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we had a bunch of rookie cards. 
But he has this tabletop hockey 

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collection, which is why my dad 
did the story. 

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And on the little tabletop 
hockey games, he would cut out 

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player faces and then put them 
on the little guys for each of 

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his games. 
And so he did this with the 

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Wayne Gretzky rookie card. 
So he has a Wayne Gretzky rookie

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card that would be worth like 
$1000 but the face is cut out of

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the middle and put on the one of
the guys at his table top hockey

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game. 
That is. 

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One of the most painful things 
I've ever heard in my life. 

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It's way worse than mine. 
That that is like, that is like 

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the guy who you know about every
six months, there's this guy in 

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the Bitcoin community who 
probably had what is now 1.5 

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billion of Bitcoin, but he had 
it on a laptop that he threw 

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away. 
And he will routinely, it'll pop

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up. 
He'll be like, oh, I, I paid 

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everyone to go to this like 
landfill and go and try and find

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this old laptop. 
Like that's like a similar 

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thing. 
Wow, plus Jacob is Canadian so 

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maybe his dad is too. 
And that's an Opechee card, not 

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a Tops card, which is way 
better. 

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So. 
My dad is Canadian, that's true.

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Was that where? 
Where did he grow up or where 

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was he living at the time of all
this? 

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Winnipeg, MB. 
I mean Winnipeg talking pre show

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about if you meet a girl in 
Saint Louis. 

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Seems like Winnipeg has a 
similar effect on people. 

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He's there for all 63 years of 
his life. 

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I'm still stuck on the Gretzky 
story that the thing about that 

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one that really gets me is 
because it's out of love for for

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hockey, You know, he he 
destroyed. 

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It's like the Bitcoin 1. 
You feel bad, but he just like 

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didn't care about it and he 
threw it away. 

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But like the Gretzky, it's like,
I love this this game so much 

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that I'm going to create a 
realistic table hockey to do it.

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I'm going to destroy this car. 
That's going to be the. 

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Time I did not go to high school
with Jackie Robinson, but I'm 

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old enough that card collecting.
We did write on cards like he I 

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have a 78. 
Well, I used to a 78 rows. 

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My first year collect cards was 
78. 

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I was 6 and he it was a Reds 
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It's kind of iconic. 
He's got his helmet on sitting 

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in the sitting in the dugout and
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and then the Expos or whatever 
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Not a super valuable card, but I
I wrote, you know, in pen Expos 

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for Reds because like that's 
what you did. 

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I mean, I have cards that I've 
bought that are older than that 

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where one checklist for some 
reason somebody wrote on it. 

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Jimmy is a crook. 
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We don't know what he did to get
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stuck to him. 
But you know, I've I've got a 57

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tops checklist with the writing.
Jimmy is a crook on it. 

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I have some really funny graded 
cards down here, but I for this 

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show this is easily the funniest
one this. 

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Is a. 
This is. 

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A Michael Gallup PSA 10 rookie 
card. 

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I thought I thought this was a 
really sharp and in fact, I 

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believe I actually paid to get 
this one graded. 

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Michael Gallup rated rookie. 
Just of all the funny ones that 

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I have, oh man. 
I mean, I've got equivalent 

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baseball ones too, and 
basketball ones. 

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But for this show, Michael 
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Thought that was a really good 
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chasing yeah, people are saying 
more and more. 

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Yes, Harold. 
Harold Fannon coming soon. 

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Harold Fannon. 
PSA Pens. 

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Yeah. 
Hang on my turn. 

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You guys probably don't do this.
You guys, you guys probably I, 

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you guys are Jacob, you're too 
young to for for card collecting

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to to be a thing at all. 
And Korain, you might have you. 

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Might have. 
You might. 

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Have missed it. 
Yeah, I was going to say that 

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because you're like four or five
years older than me, so you 

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probably just missed it. 
I mean I have not shifting. 

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The cards because like my when 
like my grandpa just gave me 

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like 2 big boxes when I was like
4 and I remember like it used to

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be like one of my favorite only 
child activities just like 

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thumbing through the different 
cards and looking at like hockey

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players stats from 1984 but love
something now I've. 

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Known loved that box, Loved I I 
have I have that box over in the

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other room of the ungraded ones.
Just all, just just absolutely 

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everywhere. 
I have an 8384 O Peachy hockey 

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box, 48 packs unopened right 
behind the the screen. 

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Have you ever been tempted? 
Who? 

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Who's the big Every Day 80? 
384. 

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It's not great. 
You still want Gretzky, and 

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they're like 10 Gretzky scar, 
Gretzky cars, all the leaders 

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and everything like that. 
Not Harold Fannin, but this is 

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my grandpa's brother. 
Hey grandpa, it's just Cliff 

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Fannin. 
Grandpa watches from South 

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Florida. 
Now, if he's done. 

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Put it nice. 
Or is he? 

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Wait, wait, is that? 
I never knew him. 

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I I can't ask. 
I don't know who to. 

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Yes. 
No, no, that guy's related to 

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this current Harold Fannon. 
No, he's related to me. 

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Doubt it. 
OK. 

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Oh. 
He's my grandfather's brother. 

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No, I knew. 
Wait, I knew. 

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Just my. 
You're related to Harold Fannon.

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That's what that's where I 
thought. 

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Maybe I am I. 
I find out. 

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How do I find out? 
How do I find no that I can 

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attest to? 
I'm not but. 

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Is duckfed in a recessive gene. 
Let's get the generation I 

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don't. 
Know we're going to to find out 

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and. 
Everybody says they have no 

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heart out and this is how we 
spend the 1st. 

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Ten yeah, this is the we. 
Well, I think we need to have 

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heart out. 
That's the wasn't. 

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Big Chasing has been putting 
pressure on me since day one. 

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Make the show longer so I'm 
doing my best. 

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That's true. 
Actually, we have. 

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So this is how we stretch it. 
All right, whoever wants to go 

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first here the draft is in nine 
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How do we feel? 
What's the most interesting news

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item right now? 
Today we have something about 

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the Giants having a second round
with Chadur Sainters our. 

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Purpose is it's what do you 
actually believe about all this 

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Chadur stuff? 
Because now we've got, oh, he 

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might fall out of the first 
round. 

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We've got all the Giants are 
maybe back in. 

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The Saints are now looking 
pretty primed to select a 

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quarterback at 9. 
Like, is there smoke? 

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Is there fire? 
Is Chadur going to be Geno 

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Smith? 
Is Chadur going to be Ryan 

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Nassib or Sugar going to be 
Michael Pennix? 

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You know what? 
Why I and I don't, I don't know 

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what to believe. 
I, I, I at this point, frankly, 

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there's been too much 
information about. 

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To me, the most interesting. 
Stuff. 

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Oh, sorry, Pat, you go. 
I was I think the Saints car 

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news is the most interesting 
thing because they they seem to 

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have been aware of it maybe. 
And so like the butt like when I

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talked to Nick Irisko, like 
before that news broke, but he 

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was saying he did not think that
they were likely to take Shidor 

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at 9 and like Nick Underhill 
didn't think they were going to 

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do that. 
But if they like if they knew 

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that was only a few days before.
So it's like if they knew about 

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it and there was still like no 
buzz about Shidor, Are they 

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willing to pass on Shidor at 9? 
Would be that to me would tell 

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us a lot if they if they might 
not have a quarterback this 

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year. 
If they don't just scrap him at 

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9:00. 
If he's there, then I feel like 

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anything can happen. 
Well, I think there's a lot of 

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things going on. 
First of all, the Saints thing. 

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I, I listened to that pod. 
It was great. 

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And you know what I got from 
from his name is Nick, right? 

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I just call him fantasy law guy 
but his his like real. 

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Life. 
Yeah, the government. 

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Name is Nick, Yeah. 
Like he's. 

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Themed he goes by fantasy law 
guy so. 

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You're not fantasy law guy. 
Wait a minute. 

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Well, that that's why I want to 
use. 

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Nick, I know it's kind of messed
up. 

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Right, I feel, I feel like it's 
just a little bit rude, you 

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know, territory, but. 
US fantasy law. 

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Yeah, that's true. 
So seemed like a lot of his take

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was based on what Underhill was 
saying. 

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And I agree with you. 
Like the fact that they knew 

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anyways should be indicative. 
But if you you know I've been 

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grinding the Underhill videos 
every single time he records 

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recently as I'm sure you are as 
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And his tune is totally flipped 
like he. 

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No, I hadn't been running 
Underhill lately, so. 

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Like, not necessarily about 9 
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specifically, but he seems to 
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that things have changed, the 
rebuild is here and the things 

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are going to take someone at 9 
or 40. 

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So that might not be Shudder at 
9. 

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It might be it. 
Well, it might be Dart. 

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It might be it might be Shug. 
They apparently really like 

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Tyler Shug suck. 
Duck for. 

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Shuck people. 
And so it could be, it could be 

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shug at. 40 it could be. 
Shark at 40 or it could be 

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standards or maybe dart at 9, 
although that seems less likely.

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So I didn't get sinks are in the
mix. 

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And the other interesting thing 
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more news about Shudder falling,
we also seem to get this news 

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about, you know, Milro, we 
talked about he's, he's going to

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be invited to the draft and Dart
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accept to go to the draft. 
So, you know, I, I listen to 

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that show with, with Nick slash 
fantasy law guy and he seemed to

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be of the view that different 
teams have different QB twos and

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that seems to be getting 
supported. 

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So it's, it's fascinating where 
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who's going to be QB 2. 
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these guys have a pretty wide 
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it seems like Tyler Shug for 
some reason. 

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The so the thing that that is 
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know, when you're in a fantasy 
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draft and you're like, oh, I 
have to take this guy on this 

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team. 
You can never take this guy. 

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But you have the, you know, like
Josh Palmer's a dude who I don't

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take a ton of, but I'm sometimes
I'm like, I really need a 

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veteran receiver. 
I have Allen, I'm going to take 

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Josh Palmer. 
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Palmer and it's like the most 
horrible feeling because you're 

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like, I don't even want this 
guy, OK? 

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I'd never take him, but I needed
him here. 

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And now I'm mad that I didn't 
get him. 

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That's got it. 
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sit there at 40 and assume 
they're going to get Tyler Shuck

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and that's their whole plan for 
next year, and then someone else

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gets him instead. 
I mean, like, it's definitely 

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going to happen. 
Don't do that, Saints. 

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It's only going to lead to pain.
The Yeah take. 

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Him at 9:00. 
The most recent thing I saw on 

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Tyler Schuck was, I want to say 
this was Trevor Sikkima, but it 

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might have been a different 
draft Nick. 

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Maybe it was Norris. 
They tweeted out a highlight of 

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how good he was at throwaways. 
They were like, oh, no one, no 

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one does a no one does a 
throwaway like Tyler Schuck. 

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He's he's Aaron Rodgersy with 
his ability to generate a clean 

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throwaway. 
And I was just like, dude, 

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enough. 
I I will be so glad to be done 

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with the Tyler Shock era of of 
draft analysis. 

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I just don't buy it. 
I just, I really don't. 

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This dude had no draft hype ever
and then all of a sudden we get 

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bored for two months. 
I I would rather be doing Will 

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Howard or Kyle McCord stuff. 
What happened to Quinn? 

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Yours. 
Sure, I'd rather be. 

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Doing it with yours. 
No, I'm thankful. 

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I'm honestly thankful we're not 
doing this with yours. 

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Yours absolutely stinks. 
And Chuck at least like didn't 

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play much 'cause he was hurt all
the time. 

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And it's like he he throws a 
good ball. 

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I to me, it's just like the 
thing about tape is that it 

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takes a long time to get to it 
all. 

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I think, I swear this is what 
happening with Kyle Williams. 

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Is it like people were like, oh,
yeah, I need to watch him when 

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they saw Chris Sims and I'm like
wide receiver 2, like, right, I 

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got to now I got to watch. 
I got to bump Kyle Williams up 

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on my tape watching list. 
And then all of a sudden I was 

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like, yeah, I like Kyle 
Williams. 

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I don't think everyone had 
watched him yet, you know, And I

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think Kyle most, most people 
hadn't seen, like a lot of 

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people had not looked into Tyler
shock because he's like 2526 

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years old and had been hurt his 
entire career. 

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But like, Bruegler was a big fan
the whole time. 

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Yeah, unimpressive stat. 
Yeah, But like, the the some of 

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that, no mobility. 
No mobility. 

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Otherwise. 
Why people hadn't watched them 

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yet? 
Otherwise, on point. 

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So, yeah, I, I think there's 
that story's been consistent 

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this this offseason as far as 
like the tape guys go. 

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Like it seems like most tape 
guys when they when they got 

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around to watching them were 
like, oh, this guy's kind of 

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good. 
So as far as like. 

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A Charizard to Tim Boyle's 
Charmander. 

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He's Mike Glennon I think, or 
something like. 

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That 17 minutes for the 
Charizard, and it wasn't even 

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Davis was. 
Pretty good. 

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Is that the right way to do it? 
I'm really trying to just like, 

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find my place on this show. 
I don't know. 

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I don't really. 
Know anymore? 

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Let me so I can find correct. 
We'll go find a Charizard. 

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The issue is is that to give 
Charizard like this category, 

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the story of player is not does 
not have a Charizard right like 

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the the Tyler Shuck, Brandon 
Weed and Ryan Nassib group of 

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guys just doesn't there is no 
Charizard right? 

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It it kind of is. 
It Russ Wilson, who's pretty 

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good for. 
Them no different it's we're 

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thinking tall white it's it's 
tall white guy is it tall white 

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guy who's at best a date like. 
Ryan Mallett. 

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Brock Osweiler got paid. 
Does he count? 

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Yes, Brock. 
Brock. 

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I mean, Brock played in a Super 
Bowl, right? 

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Or a a day of a conference 
championship game. 

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He started a wild card game he 
got. 

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Reinstalled. 
He started a wild card game in 

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the. 
Was it the Raiders Texans game 

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where car got corrected against?
Do they want to? 

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Do they want to play? 
Remember that guy who? 

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Did Matt Mcgloin that game? 
No Matt Mcgloin, they started. 

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Connor Cook. 
Connor Cook Yes, I knew it. 

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I knew it. 
Didn't Mack McGowan get one of 

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those games though? 
Yes. 

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You're not tired. 
That season, yeah. 

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Yeah, wow. 
Raiders. 

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What about? 
What about? 

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Vinny Testaverde. 
No, totally. 

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Overall he was like 5-9. 
He was a little guy. 

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No, he was a. 
No, no. 

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No quarterback went one O 1. 
No quarterback went one O 1. 

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Oh, you know what? 
You know what? 

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I'm confusing him with another 
old guy with a funny name. 

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Doug Flutie. 
They're these are. 

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These are not. 
Yeah, they were very different 

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quarterbacks. 
Benita Zverdi was a statue, 

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especially about the time I was 
watching him. 

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He was, he was old. 
He's like 40. 

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And he was the ultimate statue. 
But he. 

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Wasn't even 59. 
Doug wasn't even 5. 

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Wow, we're already here. 
I mean, who went to high school 

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with whom? 
Testaverde was like he was the 

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one. 
O 1 Tampa Bay, 1988. 

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You know what? 
You know who's you know who's 

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the Charizard of this, It's Chad
Pennington. 

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It's not. 
It's a different Jets 

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quarterback. 
It's Chad Pennington. 

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No, but he had, he had a noodle 
arm. 

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He he, he wasn't the big one 
guy. 

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Harry Collins. 
Harry Collins is the OH. 

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Kerry Collins is a good one. 
Yeah, but he never, he was not a

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Charizard. 
He didn't fully. 

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Hey, what about Jeff George? 
And he started in the Super 

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Bowl. 
Collins, Kim. 

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George Kim in the chat is 
correct. 

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It's Stafford. 
Is the Charizard of this 

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archetype 100%? 
Yeah, Stafford. 

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OK, that's a good one all. 
Right, there we go. 

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We got there, I mean. 
Plus I think I think Jeff George

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was like 5-1. 
Jeff George. 

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Jeff George was tall. 
In in my mind. 

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You did not get drafted one O 1 
in my day if you were not big 

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until you had to be big. 
Until this moment, right now, 

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Doug Flutie and Vincent 
Testoverdi were basically the 

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same guy in my head until until 
this moment. 

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Both late, late, late stage 
Patriots. 

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Maybe that's you're, you're out 
here. 

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I think both. 
It is that and my only knowledge

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of either of them would have 
come third hand from Bill 

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Simmons. 
Page 2 or what? 

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Section 2. 
What was it called? 

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On ESPN any I mean, have you not
seen the Doug Flutie Boston 

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College Hail Mary on like? 
Of course, of course I have but 

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like. 86 times. 
You know that guy's Vincent 

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Testaverde also, you know. 
That was by the way, that was 

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against Kozar and Testaverde. 
What if it's Kozar it it's in 

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1984? 
Oh. 

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Bad. 
Also, Vinnie Testaverdi's kid 

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played in the UFL. 
Drew Bledsoe's another good one.

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CFL. 
Another giant one O one overall 

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quarterback. 
What, what, what are we trying 

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to figure out? 
Charizard What does it mean? 

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Who is who is just charge? 
Have there any, have there been 

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any good big armed statue 
quarterbacks that are like 6-5 

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And the answer's like that used 
to be the entire position. 

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That used to be the whole 
league, that used to be, that 

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just used to be the position. 
Like if you go back to 2000, 

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you're like. 
Johnny Unitus. 

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Yeah. 
Well, was, was Bledsoe not good?

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I mean, how many thousands of 
yards did he throw for, for, you

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know, 1012 years? 
Was he not? 

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He got he he's not. 
He got. 

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He's not a legend, but he wasn't
bad. 

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He got beaten up by a 6 LB pick.
Stinks. 

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No, he got beaten up by MO 
Lewis. 

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MO Lewis, I've heard through 
Bledsoe, he wins all of those 

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Super Bowls. 
The Sam Sherman's DNA, that's 

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you got to Brady's got to be. 
What happened here? 

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Just talking about where he was 
drafted. 

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I would like to, yes. 
This was supposed to be Trevor 

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Lawrence. 
Trevor Lawrence was actually 

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supposed to be the heir to this 
throne. 

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Trevor Lawrence was supposed to 
be Mega Drew Bledsoe. 

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He was supposed to be Stafford 
with like better decision 

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making. 
Got it. 

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Yeah, Yeah. 
I'm still in on Lawrence. 

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So is Jacob. 
We're in the Jags. 

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It's here. 
Yeah, Lawrence, Lawrence, 

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Lawrence and Chuck actually 
maybe are kind of let me pull up

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my. 
Oh God. 

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Yeah, passing, passing game 
coordinator Shane Waldron really

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inspiring confidence in the in 
the Jaguars. 

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Rebuilt a reality in Colin 
Duvall. 

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Travis, I'm gonna be in on the 
Jags, the Duvall and the Shane 

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Waldgen passing game. 
We've never really cared about 

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passing game coordinators. 
I mean, no, the only time we 

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care about passing game 
coordinators is when they become

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OCS and we're like, who were 
they under? 

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Shane Walton gets hired as 
someone's OCI will react to that

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news. 
That's. 

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Bad. 
I don't know. 

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Famously, we cared when we 
realized that Freddie Kitchens 

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got hired by the Giants. 
Correct. 

452
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,120
Well, that's only because we saw
the future, David is that we saw

453
00:22:58,120 --> 00:23:02,600
that he would become the OC in 
one, one of the only moments 

454
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,880
where I was like, Oh my God, I 
know for a fact what's going to 

455
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:09,040
happen in the NFL. 
Anyway, did we solve what what 

456
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,120
is going on with Chadur? 
Because I don't think we did. 

457
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,320
No, I would just say about the 
Saints, I would like for them to

458
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:19,400
be normal one time every year. 
They're still trading up and 

459
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,360
buying and pushing off their 
debt and whatever else they're 

460
00:23:22,360 --> 00:23:26,080
doing. 
And really, when one thing Jacob

461
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,560
quoted from Underhill. 
I'm not grinding, so to speak, 

462
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,080
Underhill either, but he he did 
actually, I think literally 

463
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:34,760
right. 
The rebuild is here. 

464
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,800
You said that and I I read that 
and that meant everything to me 

465
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:40,680
like that meant finally the 
Saints. 

466
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:42,800
If it's true, if it happens, the
Saints are finally. 

467
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:47,240
It's only, it's only here. 
It's only, it's only here if, if

468
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,400
they like, what if in the second
round they're like, oh shit, but

469
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,560
we could do this instead, you 
know, like like they could, they

470
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,840
could totally change their tune 
in in the middle of it. 

471
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:58,640
Well, what do they do in round 
one then? 

472
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:00,240
Like what do they do in round 
one? 

473
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:04,160
If they were us, what they would
be doing already is trading down

474
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,680
and betting on what the markets 
going to do and then be ready to

475
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,440
trade back up, which A-Team 
never does. 

476
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:13,320
If I were in their shoes, I 
would be going to all the scouts

477
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,440
and go on. 
What quarterback do you like 

478
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:16,640
best? 
Because we're taking him at 

479
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,080
9:00. 
There's no other option like 

480
00:24:19,120 --> 00:24:23,520
you, the salary cap. 
I think the the rookie contract 

481
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,960
stuff is like actually maybe 
slightly overrated, you know, in

482
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,520
terms of like how much it's it's
doing for your franchise, but 

483
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,000
not for the Saints. 
For the Saints, like that would 

484
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,040
be almost a get out of jail free
card because they're going to 

485
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,400
have to eat a bunch of dead cap 
with car after after this 

486
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:39,880
season. 
Like you're still going to have 

487
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,240
car on the roster and then next 
year you're going to have to eat

488
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,320
a bunch of dead cap, but you can
actually get out of it at least 

489
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:46,760
and spread it out over a couple 
years. 

490
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,080
And then obviously, like that's 
their comment, the the Saints 

491
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,240
are still paying Mike Thomas, 
which is true. 

492
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,080
Like this is not a joke. 
He's still on the books. 

493
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:02,160
Like the, they're not. 
For a little bit, not for a 

494
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,080
little. 
Bit he's a mess so. 

495
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,440
They're almost out of the Deuce 
McAllister contract, yeah. 

496
00:25:08,360 --> 00:25:09,840
Exactly. 
He was one of my favorite. 

497
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:11,040
He was one of my. 
Favorites. 

498
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:12,800
I love Deuce McAllister. 
He was awesome. 

499
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,480
They are unfortunately paying 
Jonathan Vilma until 2029. 

500
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,080
When Saints guys start getting 
hired by the NFL Network, does 

501
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,560
that change the the cap 
calculation? 

502
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,840
Like is it like when you fire a 
coach and they get hired, you 

503
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:29,560
have to pay him anymore? 
Like Saints? 

504
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,040
And get some salary relief from 
Darren Sharper, I think. 

505
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:34,840
They they get a compensatory 
pick. 

506
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,720
If you go to work for NFL 
Network, they get a they. 

507
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:38,720
Get the hardest hit from safety 
in the league. 6th round. 

508
00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:42,120
That's a new thing, though. 
Just I think there's an 

509
00:25:42,120 --> 00:25:44,640
interesting point raise. 
Are the Saints even rebuildable 

510
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,560
within the Pick 9, within Pick 
9's Ricky contract leg? 

511
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,920
I wonder if the sharp thing to 
do is don't take the quarterback

512
00:25:52,120 --> 00:25:56,920
and just say, you know what, we 
are literally going to be the 

513
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,520
aints again. 
We are going to go O and 17 two 

514
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,680
or three times. 
We are going to be so bad and 

515
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,840
just like no team. 
So the Browns kind of did this. 

516
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:08,920
Remember they. 
That always works. 

517
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,360
When teams totally take and 
bottom out, they just like they 

518
00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:15,160
bounce right back. 
Well, no, no, but I wonder if 

519
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:19,280
one of the things you could do, 
no, no NFL team has tried this. 

520
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,880
What if you traded your, your, 
your ones now for once, four or 

521
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,440
five years from now? 
So instead of the 9th pick, now 

522
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,760
you say we'll take your 2029 
first round pick. 

523
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,880
So I totally agree. 
With your plan to like to dose 

524
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,240
like Mickey Loomis with like a. 
Well, that's what I'm saying. 

525
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:42,240
With LSD and and shrooms, like 
you're asking this man to flip 

526
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,800
his worldview, like truly change
the way he thinks. 

527
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:46,880
He's gonna hit him. 
He's. 

528
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,880
Been stuck in like I could I 
just, I'll just add I'll just 

529
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:53,440
sacrifice the future again like 
oh. 

530
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,720
Convince him convince him to go 
and convince him to go all in on

531
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,400
the Pelicans for four years. 
He also owns the Pelicans. 

532
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,960
So convince him Zion's gonna be 
healthy. 

533
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,200
We're we're gonna get him on you
know, he's gonna get on Ozempic.

534
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:07,880
We're we're gonna have mega 
Zion. 

535
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:12,000
You you could you could say next
four years we're all in. 

536
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,640
We'll we'll trade all our future
first round picks for the 

537
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,000
Pelicans. 
Kind of have a fun core that got

538
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,480
a good wing defender in Herb 
Jones. 

539
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,920
Just like we're going to be the 
four seed in the West, we're 

540
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,880
going to be all in on the 
Saints. 

541
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,240
My, my, my issue with this is, 
and I, I agree with Davis, if I 

542
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:35,680
was, if I was the owner of the 
New Orleans Saints, I would, I 

543
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,560
would view it this way. 
And then like, to me, it's a 

544
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,200
waste of the rookie quarterback 
contract to do it when you're 

545
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,840
spending a bunch of money on 
players who don't play for you 

546
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,280
like I would. 
I would rather just eat it now, 

547
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,680
clear the books and then do the 
rookie quarterback thing when I 

548
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,000
can actually take advantage of 
it instead of just like like 

549
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:55,160
basically drafting shoulder now 
is like you owe a ton of debt to

550
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,320
1 creditor. 
So then you go to a lending 

551
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,640
company and you're like, I need 
to take out a loan, but just put

552
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,240
the check in my creditors name, 
not in my own name. 

553
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:04,760
Like I don't actually get access
to the money. 

554
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,240
I just have to send it somewhere
else. 

555
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:07,720
I don't think that helps 
anything. 

556
00:28:08,120 --> 00:28:12,720
But I agree with Pat in the 
sense of for Mickey Loomis and 

557
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,200
Kellen Moore, like you know, 
they don't they don't survive 

558
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,080
two years of O and. 70 Yeah, 
they're not going to survive, 

559
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,000
that's not. 
Their that's not their goal. 

560
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,320
So if they're the ones still 
making the decisions and they 

561
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:27,440
have agency and probably their 
best path to saving their hide 

562
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,720
is to take a rookie quarterback,
try to build a representative 

563
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,040
offense and. 
I I also think that that the 

564
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,600
pushback I would have on on your
analogy is like, I don't. 

565
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,320
So I don't really have that much
faith in chador where that's 

566
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,600
where I would agree with your 
analogy, But the Saints are not 

567
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:49,840
a Patriots 2024 level incubator 
for a quarterback like this is. 

568
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,520
It's not a great setup, but it's
it's not a disaster. 

569
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,360
They were able to look really 
frisky at the beginning of last 

570
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,680
season. 
And then, you know, it kind of 

571
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:03,240
with it didn't stick. 
But this isn't it's not like 

572
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,480
there's no pieces here or, you 
know, they can't protect the 

573
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:07,720
guy. 
You can put a rookie out there. 

574
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,720
He's going to get killed. 
Like, that's not where the 

575
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,160
Saints are somehow. 
You know, it feels like they 

576
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,640
kind of should be. 
But like, quarterbacks are hard 

577
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,280
to get. 
You have to have like we're 

578
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,200
seeing from the Giants, right? 
Like, you don't know what the 

579
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:21,640
class is going to hold. 
You don't know if you're 

580
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:22,880
actually going to get the number
one pick. 

581
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,000
There's a ton of bad teams every
year. 

582
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:29,320
And so like tanking, effectively
tanking to get the number one 

583
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,000
pick is kind of easier said than
done. 

584
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,600
And you're fighting against 
these coaches who are going to 

585
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,280
try to save their job. 
They're going to try to win 

586
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,640
games even when they're not 
going to be there the next year.

587
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,120
They'll stick it to you and win 
and win their final game. 

588
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,400
So you don't get the number one 
pick, which is always 

589
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,680
delightful. 
But I don't know. 

590
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,400
I mean, if you have a chance to 
just take the quarterback at 9, 

591
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,520
I think you do it. 
And then if it's if it's Josh 

592
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,360
Rosen's situation, then move on.
Again, you know, like draft 

593
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:02,760
another quarterback. 
But they they need to, for once,

594
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,000
the Saints need to have an 
undervalued player and a 

595
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,440
quarterback on a rookie 
contract. 

596
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:08,920
Is is kind of the ultimate of 
that. 

597
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:13,640
Perhaps an interesting comp 
would be the 17 Bills. 

598
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,680
So Sean McDermott gets hired. 
They they're on a long playoff 

599
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:18,600
drought. 
Doesn't even feel like the 

600
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:19,800
Saints are on a long playoff 
drought. 

601
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:20,840
Whatever. 
Like they're sort of been, 

602
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,120
they're kind of trapped in their
own division because every year 

603
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,840
that division is supposed to be 
won by somebody winning 10 games

604
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,240
where the Bills had the Brady 
Patriots. 

605
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:32,160
Anyway, they hire McDermott, 
they have the 10th overall pick 

606
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,240
and he decides or they they 
don't have their GM yet. 

607
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,400
He decides or they that they're 
going to push it off. 

608
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,200
This is what we're saying the 
Saints should do. 

609
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,240
Now it turns out they trade the 
pick that Kansas City uses on 

610
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:51,160
Patrick Mahomes, but they ride 
with Tyrod Taylor, you know? 

611
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,000
It's all working. 
They got Keon and tall Kincaid I

612
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:54,840
mean. 
They're great. 

613
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,280
Hang on, hang on, let me finish.
They ride with, they ride with 

614
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,200
Taylor. 
They wanted Mike Glennon, who's 

615
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,360
been mentioned here already, and
some other guy that Brian Hoyer.

616
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,200
They tried to get those guys. 
They don't come. 

617
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:06,760
Taylor thinks he's going to free
agency. 

618
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,000
He doesn't get the deal. 
He ends up back here. 

619
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,560
They're like a -, 50 something 
point differential. 

620
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,240
They make the playoffs and 
McDermott is made. 

621
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,200
Then the next year they push up,
they get Alan, they get that 

622
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:19,760
right. 
And then you know you're you're 

623
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,640
going you're a legend at that 
point. 

624
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,120
That's the Saints. 
Should I think like you're 

625
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,480
saying, look at this this way. 
They don't need shooter Sanders 

626
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,840
at 9:00. 
They just they should be trading

627
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,600
down every time right now. 
They're going to get one of 

628
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,920
these mid quarterbacks. 
We'll see what happens. 

629
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,680
If it doesn't work out fine the 
next year, they're terrible. 

630
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,000
They do it again. 
They ride with whether it's car 

631
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,680
or I don't know. 
It doesn't have to be him. 

632
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,640
But Mike, your story ends with 
them getting Josh Allen and I, I

633
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,520
think that the the lesson is 
that you got to find a Josh 

634
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:48,080
Allen. 
Now maybe. 

635
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,200
I mean, I think the strongest 
piece of this is that like, 

636
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,320
Shador is not Josh Allen and I 
don't think anyone thinks he can

637
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:54,360
be Josh Allen. 
Hope for the best. 

638
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,200
You what? 
So then elites draft Jill and 

639
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,120
Milro and hope for the best. 
I just don't get the point of, 

640
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,200
yeah, the whole idea of Shador 
Sanders is like, we're going to 

641
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:07,560
get a $25 million quarterback, 
but we're going to pay him less 

642
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,440
than half of that because he's 
on a rookie contract. 

643
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,800
And then if we surround him with
a great scheme and all the great

644
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,840
weapons, he's not going to make 
mistakes. 

645
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,280
He's going to deliver the ball 
accurately. 

646
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,320
He's going to hit the targets, 
he's going to play on time. 

647
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,680
That's like the theoretical idea
of Chadur, which to me makes him

648
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,120
the perfect rookie contract 
quarterback in a great 

649
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,400
environment. 
But I just, I just don't know 

650
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,440
how that works when you're 
saying like, well, we're not 

651
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,760
going to get it the advantage of
the rookie quarterback contract 

652
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,320
because we're paying $50 million
a year to retired players. 

653
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,920
Who was that? 
Was that Pickett somebody that 

654
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,320
had a good environment, if not 
great and first round pick And 

655
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,320
just like let's just sort of 
give him time and see what 

656
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,880
happens when he was gone. 
I just, I feel like the bet is 

657
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,720
against Sanders no matter what 
happens if he goes, if he goes 

658
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,600
top half of round one. 
We're wrong about these 

659
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,280
quarterbacks all the time. 
That's right. 

660
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:03,760
I know that Shadour is not a guy
that I'm that excited about, but

661
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,320
we are wrong about which ones CJ
Stroud with. 

662
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:10,560
Like if CJ Stroud, I mean, if 
this kind of happened, if this, 

663
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,520
if the Texans weren't that 
weren't didn't sit there and 

664
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,360
take him a 2. 
Like are we like, well, what's 

665
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,720
the point of CJ Stroud? 
Like he's a pocket passer. 

666
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,840
He's yeah, he's accurate. 
You know, it's like kind of 

667
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,320
looks true. 
We didn't have that because they

668
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,600
they didn't, you know, the NFL 
kept their cool with him. 

669
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:30,000
But I don't know, like if 
Shadour is really accurate and 

670
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:34,880
is great at reading defenses and
the sax issue was a lot more to 

671
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:40,200
do with his offensive line than 
him like accurate pocket passer 

672
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,920
who gets the ball out, you know,
is it where it's supposed to go?

673
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,880
Like that's, that's actually 
pretty powerful. 

674
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,360
And his arm talents. 
His arm talents. 

675
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,560
It's it's from an offense that 
runs like 8 plays. 

676
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,920
No, they, they, I mean, they 
didn't have a run game. 

677
00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,200
So you get, you got to give them
that. 

678
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,080
Somebody said trash markings was
deadliest, Yeah. 

679
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,360
No, I mean the the. 
Office you mean? 

680
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,760
I excuse you mean play variety. 
Yeah, I, I, I just mean like 

681
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:14,159
they, they don't like, like, I, 
I, I don't know how pro, like 

682
00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:15,600
you talk about reading the 
defense and stuff. 

683
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,800
And it's like, yeah, like 
there's parts of that that I get

684
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,400
like, I think he's a smart 
player at times. 

685
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,080
But like, they, it's not like 
it's an NFL offense that they 

686
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,440
ran like literally 6 plays like 
over and over and over again. 

687
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,199
So I, I don't know, I, I just 
feel like it's a lot of like, 

688
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,679
what if, what if, what if for a 
quarterback who has a very 

689
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:35,040
middling arm and doesn't run. 
It is. 

690
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,920
It is a lot of what if, I don't 
know? 

691
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,719
I just like if you find yourself
in 30 straights and a 

692
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,760
quarterbacks there, I feel like,
hey, you know what's bad, You 

693
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,280
know what's really valuable. 
Of course this is a. 

694
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,040
This is a good question. 
Who is the last successful late 

695
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,040
faller quarterback? 
I mean, I think the obvious 

696
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:55,040
example would be Lamar. 
I think Gino pretty compelling. 

697
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,560
I think the answer was Gino was 
actually good the entire time 

698
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,840
and had Gino been in the right 
incubator, he probably would 

699
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,320
have been pretty strong. 
Those are the two that I can 

700
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,040
really think of in terms of 
fallers. 

701
00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:10,440
Wilson. 
Was he a faller or was he 

702
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,000
Russell? 
He wasn't. 

703
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,280
He wasn't, ever. 
Like him and Dak were never 

704
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,320
going to go around 1:00. 
Yeah, yeah. 

705
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,040
Yeah, both great. 
Jordan Love. 

706
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:21,800
Jordan. 
Love, Yeah. 

707
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,080
Jordan Love. 
Jordan Love was talked about 

708
00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:26,840
like him or him versus Herbert 
was a big discussion that. 

709
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,320
Draft Hertz. 
Hertz was not a faller. 

710
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,800
NFL teams just were not woke. 
He was never going to go around.

711
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:33,440
Dude. 
Yeah, he was. 

712
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,040
Never. 
Aaron Rodgers was famously a 

713
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,080
faller. 
Aaron Rodgers, Big faller. 

714
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,280
Big, big faller. 
From one O 1 to whatever he 

715
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,120
went. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

716
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,240
And Jackson Brady. 
Quinn So I I mean, honestly, 

717
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,120
falling quarterbacks are not. 
Followers are fine. 

718
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,680
Followers are fine. 
We're obviously we're pointing 

719
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,120
out though, the structural thing
here is like Lamar and Hertz and

720
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:59,040
these dudes and Gino fell 'cause
they're black, you know, like, 

721
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,440
let's be, let's just be real. 
Like Lamar fell. 

722
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:07,680
Because only maybe 10 NFL teams 
could even see the vision with 

723
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,880
Lamar, like a lot of like a lot 
of teams now, you'd get one of 

724
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,080
these coaches on truth serum 
right now and they'd be like, 

725
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,120
oh, we have no interest in 
having Lamar be our quarterback 

726
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,240
because he can't do, not because
of racism, but just because 

727
00:36:19,240 --> 00:36:22,720
they're like, oh, he can't 
execute my offense right. 

728
00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:25,320
He can't. 
He can't do XY or Z. 

729
00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:29,360
And also. 
Yeah, that that was, you know, 

730
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:33,960
that that same Bills here, 
Davis, like they moved on from 

731
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,800
Taylor and they were just never 
going to pick Lamar Jackson. 

732
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,240
We talked about Alan and Rosen. 
That's what we talked about 

733
00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:42,840
every day around here. 
Alan and Rosa was never going to

734
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:47,880
be Jackson. 
And you know, the Josh's maybe 

735
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:49,120
they made the right choice. 
Yes. 

736
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,880
Pick the right Josh. 
Passing on Lamar and being right

737
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,080
is that's that's an amazing. 
It's living well. 

738
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,960
Something that's living well. 
Are you well? 

739
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:02,080
One team dead, Yeah. 
I I I've got some. 

740
00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:04,680
Even the Ravens. 
Took Hayden Hurst over Lamar, 

741
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:05,560
isn't that? 
That's right. 

742
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,280
That's right, they liked him. 
That much they took. 

743
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,800
They took Hayden Hurst over Marc
Andrews. 

744
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:12,760
Yeah, he they, he went two 
rounds later. 

745
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,640
But like you're like, we're 
imagine being in on Lamar 

746
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:21,520
clearly and then be like, yeah, 
well, we can get back in. 

747
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,680
We got to take a nurse. 
By the way, Pat, the Saints, the

748
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,080
Saints debate is a little bit 
like the Browns one we had, 

749
00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:30,440
which is how much pain are you 
up for? 

750
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,560
And then you look at sort of the
status of the coach and the GM. 

751
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,960
That's the thing about the Bills
comp that I like for Kellen 

752
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:37,640
Moore, who's got a name in the 
league. 

753
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,640
He can afford a year. 
Not everybody can, but he he can

754
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,480
spend a year on, you know, 
bottoming out, whatever it is, 

755
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,560
because he'll be back. 
He's not going to be. 

756
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:51,080
He'll be back next year. 
Yeah, but I think that you look 

757
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,280
at the Titans, I think one of 
the reasons they're probably 

758
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:57,040
zeroing in on on Cam Ward is 
that they can't do another. 

759
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,280
You know, if they pass on Ward, 
if they were to take Carter 

760
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,560
Hunter and and they just let's 
say they just run back Will 

761
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,880
Levis, they're all getting fired
and maybe they don't even make 

762
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,760
it through the season. 
Like it's so you get one. 

763
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,320
I, I don't think you're going to
Kellen Moore's not going to get 

764
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,480
like 3 years of, of horrible 
play from the Saints. 

765
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,720
Like they have to be 
respectable. 

766
00:38:17,720 --> 00:38:21,200
So yeah, I mean he's. 
His different next job owner. 

767
00:38:21,720 --> 00:38:24,640
His next job at worst is 
offensive coordinator somewhere 

768
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:28,000
else like at at worst. 
Like one shot as the head coach,

769
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,000
you get like one shot. 
You know, I, I would be, if I 

770
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:35,320
were in his shoes, I'd be like, 
I literally just went from 

771
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,080
thinking we wouldn't have a 
quarterback this year, that this

772
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,040
whole thing was going to be an 
absolute disaster. 

773
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,560
And I'm an offensive guy. 
So if the offense looks like 

774
00:38:43,720 --> 00:38:46,560
crap, that's not, we're going to
reflect well on me. 

775
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,000
Two, I can just sit here and 
take a quarterback at 9 and I 

776
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,520
can get decent play out of him 
and we'll we'll be building. 

777
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:56,800
For the future, it won't be his 
fault if whoever the quarterback

778
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,480
is is not supposed to be good, 
whether that's a rookie or 

779
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,080
whether that's someone that's 
not Derek Carr. 

780
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:04,800
Like it won't. 
It won't really all be. 

781
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,200
It won't be his fault. 
That's the Dabel debate is like,

782
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,000
well. 
I mean people went made the 

783
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,520
playoffs year 1 though. 
But that was full luck too, I 

784
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,640
mean. 
My, my push, my slight push back

785
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,200
on that is that if they pass on 
quarterback this year and we all

786
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,240
agree more comes back next year,
then can't you just take the 

787
00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:23,440
quarterback year 2 and then the 
pressure's lower? 

788
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,040
You don't have to make the 
playoffs in year 2. 

789
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,160
You just need to show signs and 
then you get a year 3. 

790
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,720
Yes, that's Buffalo. 
Callahan takes quarterbacks, OK.

791
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:36,080
Callahan takes Ward this year 
and they are like not good but 

792
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,680
just not a disaster. 
Then he probably gets here 3. 

793
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,560
That's I think that's different 
because it's 101 pick. 

794
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,120
What about the Giants? 
And the Giants are screwed right

795
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:46,760
now. 
Dave Ball Like this is probably 

796
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,800
what they, you know, Dave Ball 
was telling himself like, but 

797
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,160
they're not going to get a 
quarterback unless they take 

798
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,480
Shidor at 3:00 or they take 
Tyler Shuck in the second round.

799
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:56,600
And that's not going to be 
enough. 

800
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,560
They the the losing is raise the
bar on those guys. 

801
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:03,000
So like Tyler Shuck, like a six 
one season from Tyler Shuck 

802
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,200
isn't going to cut it. 
So yeah, I mean you technically 

803
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,720
like the best path, the the 
highest upside path is to pass 

804
00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:14,000
on Shadour and then eventually 
land a real star quarterback. 

805
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,560
But for who, who gets that? 
Who gets like just Kellen Moore 

806
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,240
get that? 
I, I don't think so in a lot of 

807
00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:23,520
cases because he's going to get 
one shot next year and it's 

808
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,520
like, I don't know, he's 
probably looking like Carson 

809
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,880
Beck at pick 5 or something. 
And I I just think I'd rather. 

810
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,240
Well, I think I think we've. 
Called Jared Nustner. 

811
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,280
Yeah, we we've been marked safe,
I think from Carson Beck at. 

812
00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:37,160
I don't know, man. 
Here we are talking about Tyler.

813
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:38,120
He's. 
Good. 

814
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,240
I don't know, dude. 
He'll, he'll, he's going to be 

815
00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:42,400
able to do it. 
Aaron, Aaron Rodgers. 

816
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,000
Aaron Rodgers will need a new 
job. 

817
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,600
Because Jacob is still in. 
I'm in on Carson Beck. 

818
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:51,840
I think his receivers let him 
down last. 

819
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:55,400
I'm. 
Imploring you bro, I need you to

820
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,600
watch the film. 
What man? 

821
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,600
He played great against 
Tennessee, no? 

822
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,400
The Georgia, the Georgia, the 
the, the game, the game that had

823
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:08,520
me, the game that had me out on 
him on Carson Beck was the 

824
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,720
Georgia Tech game where Haines 
King was just beating his ass 

825
00:41:11,720 --> 00:41:15,120
down. 
Not no, no coming back from 

826
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,360
that. 
As you know, Ward was not in 

827
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,000
this conversation really at all 
last year. 

828
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,200
He was viewed as like a 
developmental prospect. 

829
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,800
Oh, guy. 
So we are going to get, we are 

830
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,840
going to get someone. 
QB always bubbles up, he says 

831
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,960
while imploring the host to pass
on the quarterback to at pick 9.

832
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,400
Like what are you? 
I'm not to pass on the 

833
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,080
quarterback to a pick nine. 
I'm I'm imploring them to draft 

834
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:39,680
a different quarterback at pick 
9. 

835
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,880
I would draft Jackson Darter 
Jalen Millrose pick. 

836
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,120
Nine. 
OK, OK, that's fine. 

837
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,360
Why? 
Why not just pick one of them at

838
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,280
40 then? 
Well, I don't well dart, I 

839
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:50,760
don't. 
I don't have the Intel, I'm not 

840
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:52,080
in the league. 
If they think they'll be there 

841
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,840
at 40, then I would, then I 
would wait, but I wouldn't. 

842
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,560
But if if they're not sure, then
I think you would be totally 

843
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,280
justifiable to take a 
quarterback with actual physical

844
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:04,080
tools at pick 9. 
And again, they'd be moving down

845
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,160
already. 
I mean, nobody wants to make a 

846
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,360
trade. 
Every team literally has its 

847
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,160
number one pick right now, which
is rare. 

848
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,160
The Saints, if they're us, they 
should. 

849
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,200
This is 20 minutes ago. 
They should have been moving 

850
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:19,160
down already and be positioned 
to get one of those guys. 

851
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,400
It's not a bad plan. 
I mean, just do that. 

852
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,360
You shouldn't have to do that at
9. 

853
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:27,400
And the Saints are years overdue
for making any move that even 

854
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,240
resembles that. 
They're always moving up. 

855
00:42:29,240 --> 00:42:32,080
They're always pushing it off. 
Enough about the Saints. 

856
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:33,680
Right. 
So I assume, I assume we're 

857
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,560
thinking all this discussion 
that we just had about your 

858
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,240
door, it very much applies to 
the Giants, right. 

859
00:42:39,240 --> 00:42:42,600
So you guys aren't saying take, 
take chador at three. 

860
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:44,480
No, you're not in on Chador at 
9:00. 

861
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,640
Especially not because the 
opportunity cost is so high, 

862
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,440
like you're getting a potential 
perennial Pro Bowler at 3:00. 

863
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,200
Yeah, that's a decision that 
like Day Ball and Shane maybe 

864
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,440
shouldn't even have. 
Like they they shouldn't even be

865
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,000
allowed to to to pass. 
On that's what I think I saw 

866
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,560
Brett Coleman tweet this this 
morning, but like someone quote 

867
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:06,040
tweeted the Oshadur's working 
out with the Giants thing as 

868
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,720
ownership got involved, which is
maybe but it. 

869
00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:11,880
Should be the opposite it. 
Should be the opposite, right? 

870
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,760
Like they're actually trying to 
do right by the franchise. 

871
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,880
Dabel and Shone are the guys 
that are incentivized to take 

872
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,520
the quarterback even if they 
shouldn't, and the owner should 

873
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,680
be stepping in being like we are
not going to give up the chance 

874
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:28,720
to draft a very likely perennial
Pro Bowler in Hunter Carter to 

875
00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:31,360
take a a quarterback prospect. 
That's iffy, but it it's. 

876
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,080
Maybe it's the other way 
somehow. 

877
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:37,120
It would be very funny if the 
Saints still have no interest in

878
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,240
Shidor at 9:00, but now everyone
will assume that they do and it 

879
00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:42,000
causes the Giants to just take 
him. 

880
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,480
They just mirror panics and was 
like, we got to get Shidor, we 

881
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,160
can't. 
We can't get him otherwise. 

882
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,640
I think this one is the is the 
Schefter. 

883
00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:52,680
It's a Schefter operation. 
I bet. 

884
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,840
I bet every year 9 days before 
the draft he tweets something 

885
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,880
that ends with oh, some new 
intrigue. 

886
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,040
I, I don't know what, what is 
this meeting going to be? 

887
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:02,600
Is it, is it they're going to 
subway? 

888
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:03,920
Are they going to work them out 
again? 

889
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:05,840
What, what even is I bet? 
I think this is sort of the 

890
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:09,080
machine at work is like giving 
us something else to talk about,

891
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,440
which, you know, I don't resent 
that, but I want to be. 

892
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,400
By the way, I think Sam Sherman 
has a new name. 

893
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,960
I think he's Eric who just 
posted in the chat. 

894
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,560
Why are people so obsessed with 
Carter 3 when Parsons was better

895
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:19,400
and went ten? 
That is. 

896
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,160
That is the most Sam Sherman 
content. 

897
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,520
That that is well, Michael. 
Parsons went at 10, so he's 

898
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,240
he's. 
We're not bidding like dollars 

899
00:44:27,240 --> 00:44:29,560
for, you know, it's like it's 
depends on who's in the class of

900
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,920
Parsons was in this class. 
He might be #1. 

901
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,200
Also, Parsons should have been 
number one in most classes that 

902
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:37,840
was. 
Incorrect, there is also like 

903
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,880
Parsons and and Carter are very 
similar and in certain like the 

904
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,840
red flags on Carter. 
Have wasn't proven over Parsons.

905
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,720
Wasn't the deal with Parsons 
though that he didn't play like 

906
00:44:49,720 --> 00:44:52,160
strict edge in college. 
Correct. 

907
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:53,880
Wasn't, wasn't. 
Yeah, so so. 

908
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,320
That is, it's. 
Like it's not 1 to 1 then? 

909
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,160
Well, you're seeing that, well, 
Carter wasn't, wasn't he not a 

910
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,360
full time edge until last year. 
Am I wrong about that? 

911
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,360
He's, he's got that same build 
asked. 

912
00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:08,160
Me to evaluate defensive line 
play. 

913
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,240
He's got he's got the same build
as Parsons. 

914
00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:12,520
And so you kind of need to have 
the vision for Parsons. 

915
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,600
And now the NFL doesn't need a 
vision. 

916
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,000
Anytime the NFL no longer needs 
a vision and can just copy 

917
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,400
someone else's work, they're way
more excited about that right 

918
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,040
Copycat league. 
They just go, I'll just put it, 

919
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,480
I'll do Parsons, Parsons works, 
I'll do Parsons. 

920
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,520
So now everyone's in, where with
Parsons, you have to like, see 

921
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:29,920
it a little. 
Yeah. 

922
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,440
Yeah. 
Mock drafts. 

923
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:39,240
So I found a few here, and we'll
start with Todd Mcshay, which is

924
00:45:39,240 --> 00:45:41,280
either last night or this 
morning. 

925
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,760
Want to talk about, you know, 
some of his predictions? 

926
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,240
Are they likely to be right? 
And what would it mean for us in

927
00:45:47,240 --> 00:45:48,600
fantasy Zoom? 
In on this one. 

928
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,520
Todd's with me, he's got the QB 
two at #9 look at that. 

929
00:45:53,240 --> 00:45:55,520
Can I do it? 
Yeah, I think you have to do it 

930
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,600
because it's your screen. 
Oh boy. 

931
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:03,440
Just like Control Plus or some 
other browser. 

932
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,960
Enlarge it This is. 
At least you got for one thing, 

933
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:07,760
before I even try this, it's 
just not faces. 

934
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,920
At least it's not faces. 
Which was hilarious on ship 

935
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,400
chasing last week. 
You guys trying to figure out 

936
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,000
who was who? 
I love that. 

937
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,360
I don't know Pat, this might be 
the best I can do. 

938
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:22,840
All right. 
I can read it. 

939
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:24,880
All right, Carter even played 
some inside linebacker. 

940
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:26,640
Look at that. 
You guys never, you guys never 

941
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:28,400
had me on the soul cast. 
Were you worried I would know 

942
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,520
too much about the the the 
trenches this year? 

943
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,480
You want to come on today all. 
Right. 

944
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,280
Listen here. 
Here's what you need here from 

945
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,320
This is McShane. 
Focus Podcast. 

946
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,160
I resent. 
I resent that. 25%, that's 

947
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,680
called the least. 
The Saints picking Dart at 9, 

948
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:53,240
which we've kind of hypothesized
about. 

949
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:59,720
You've got receivers McMillan at
12 and Golden at 16. 

950
00:46:59,720 --> 00:47:01,560
That's it. 
Not counting Hunter. 

951
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,720
That's it from Mcshay in this 
mock draft. 

952
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,880
Gente at six at the Raiders, 
which is pretty common. 

953
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:11,440
Denver on oh, Marion Hampton. 
That's it for running backs. 

954
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,960
And as far as quarterback goes, 
you have Cleveland moving up to 

955
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:19,400
get Sanders at 15, the Giants 
moving up to get Milro, who ends

956
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:23,840
up quarterback 4 at 24. 
The numbers aren't that 

957
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:25,560
important. 
A lot of people have been 

958
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:29,080
talking about the Browns and or 
the Giants moving back into the 

959
00:47:29,240 --> 00:47:32,160
first round to get their 
quarterback as their second 

960
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:38,240
pick. 
Dart is the most, you know, wow,

961
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,240
prediction here. 
Not to go back to the Saints, 

962
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,680
but Jake, do you like it? 
I, I like it. 

963
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:49,360
I mean, I really like Dart, but 
who, who knows, man? 

964
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,360
I mean, it's I think that all 
all three of the quarterbacks 

965
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,800
other than Ward and maybe even 
to some extent excluding Ward 

966
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,520
have like massive glaring what 
if red flags, right? 

967
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:03,680
You have to be like, what if 
Shudder's pocket management and 

968
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,360
sack tendencies are all his 
online fault? 

969
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,720
And you know, what, if he can 
play in a real offense And with 

970
00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:14,480
Dart, it's like what if he can 
actually read the field beyond 

971
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,240
Lane Kiff and just spoon feeding
him wide open reads all the 

972
00:48:17,240 --> 00:48:20,200
time. 
And obviously with mill row, you

973
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,560
know, there's a lot of accuracy 
concerns. 

974
00:48:23,240 --> 00:48:27,000
But I just think ultimately, 
like, if you I don't know that 

975
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,560
any of these guys are like 
actually round one quarterbacks 

976
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,000
in a vacuum. 
But if you find yourself 

977
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,880
organizationally reaching the 
conclusion that like, we just 

978
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,640
have to do it and these are the 
guys that we have to do it with,

979
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,960
I guess I'm just more willing to
make that wager on the guys 

980
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:46,040
where if you, if the what if 
goes in your favor, you get a 

981
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:49,280
guy that you're hopefully 
legitimately pumped to pay a 

982
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,480
second quarterback contract to. 
And I, I know it's not that easy

983
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,360
to delineate floor and ceiling, 
but that's how I would try to 

984
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:56,960
look at it. 
Like, do I think Jackson Dart is

985
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:00,560
like a good bat at the 9th 
overall pick that will work out 

986
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:04,600
a high percentage of the time? 
I, I don't, but if you come to 

987
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,480
the conclusion, like Pat's laid 
out that you got to do 

988
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:11,240
quarterback, you know, those are
the guys you pick. 

989
00:49:11,240 --> 00:49:13,280
That would that would be the bet
that I would make if I had to 

990
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,240
make one. 
It also is at a point in the 

991
00:49:15,240 --> 00:49:18,880
draft where I think the Giants, 
they really are like Carter. 

992
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:23,480
Carter's a blue chip prospects. 
You know, it's honestly he's a 

993
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,400
blue chip prospect. 
It's the first time I've like 

994
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,800
seen pushback on him in a long 
time. 

995
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:31,120
Like cuz he's just, you know, 
he's one of the guys that people

996
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,760
really feel confident about in 
this class along with Hunter. 

997
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,560
And you're passing on one of 
those guys if you take Shidora 

998
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,640
3. 
But if you get down to 9, you 

999
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:44,360
know, there's like less. 
And I think I think some of 

1000
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,600
these guys are also sort 
starting to shake out too. 

1001
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,080
Like I've heard a lot of buzz on
Jalen Walker recently. 

1002
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:51,480
You know, he'll probably be 
gone. 

1003
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,400
So there's like there's probably
even like a secondary tier 

1004
00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:00,160
that's like that's already gone 
as well by the time you get to 

1005
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,640
to dart or chador or whoever 
else. 

1006
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,960
So it's it. 
I think in this draft class too 

1007
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:07,480
the opportunity cost is an 
insane. 

1008
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,560
Like the 9th overall pick in 
this class is worth less than 

1009
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,760
some other classes is another 
way to to think about it. 

1010
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:18,800
Everybody wants to move down 
from somewhere around that pick 

1011
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,440
to what? 
Pick 70? 

1012
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,360
Like, is everybody kind of the 
same? 

1013
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,720
Everyone wants to move down. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1014
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,280
I mean, it's just one of those 
kind of years, so. 

1015
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,360
Yeah, 9th overall ain't when it 
usually is. 

1016
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,320
Teams would love. 
To move down, I do just want to 

1017
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:36,720
say the Bears are not taking 
Tyler Warren. 

1018
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,240
Tight ends, OK, we've got 
Chicago taking Warren at 10 and 

1019
00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:43,200
then Jacob's Colts with Loveland
at 14. 

1020
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:48,880
I've heard some stuff about Cole
Comet's season and you look at 

1021
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,040
his season and the numbers, it 
was not good. 

1022
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:55,280
I, I don't think they'll take 
Warren at 10, but some people 

1023
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:56,760
have asked like, why don't you 
guys hire and commit? 

1024
00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:01,120
And that's that, that someone 
would mock Warren at 10 Is, is 

1025
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,240
kind of part of the reason. 
Like I'm not sure he's, he's 

1026
00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:06,160
locked in. 
It'll be more probably like I, I

1027
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:11,080
could seem like, yeah, I could 
see them taking Mason Taylor or,

1028
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,960
you know, Elijah Arroyo or 
something in the second round, 

1029
00:51:14,240 --> 00:51:16,520
but I, I, I also doubt they take
more in a 10. 

1030
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,040
But there's not. 
Yeah, kind of a. 

1031
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,600
Red flag for that fine. 
And they have bigger, they have 

1032
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,000
bigger needs like it. 
What? 

1033
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:27,960
I mean, one thing is what if, 
what if Keenan is just like they

1034
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:32,960
think Keenan is done or they do.
He's not willing to resign. 

1035
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:34,000
They do. 
They Why not? 

1036
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,800
Why not just take Ted? 
Why not just take Ted if the 

1037
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,760
whole thing is like we want to 
run the Ben Johnson, you know, 

1038
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,320
give Caleb all these good wide 
receivers Like Ted is like a way

1039
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,520
better fit than Warren. 
Yeah, I agree. 

1040
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:47,960
That's fair. 
I get another reason why the 

1041
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,600
Saints these teams should be 
trading down like a month ago 

1042
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:52,520
because nobody's going to want 
they're going to get we're going

1043
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:54,920
to get to that range of the 
draft and nobody's going to want

1044
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,080
to move up. 
Who are they moving up for? 

1045
00:51:57,240 --> 00:51:59,960
Like what I? 
Do think it's interesting that 

1046
00:51:59,960 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaking of Ted, that the 
Cowboys have Ted here. 

1047
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,000
I've followed Mcshay's stuff all
offseason. 

1048
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,360
He does not like Ted. 
He isn't in the 20s and his big 

1049
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,880
board and stuff. 
He he really likes Matthew 

1050
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:12,840
Golden. 
So this would be. 

1051
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:14,200
Personal wide receiver one, 
right? 

1052
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:16,320
Yeah, it's his personal wide 
receiver 1. 

1053
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,320
So that that's interesting 
because to me, I'm like, if he 

1054
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,720
was making a decision I know 
wouldn't be Ted here. 

1055
00:52:21,720 --> 00:52:23,800
So you wonder if this is what he
you. 

1056
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:25,080
Think he knows you, you're 
saying? 

1057
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,440
Yeah, you think? 
He knows but but I doubt. 

1058
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:31,240
But I like what drove this pick.
It wasn't his own evaluation, so

1059
00:52:31,720 --> 00:52:34,120
it's probably probably what he's
hearing. 

1060
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:35,960
Good point. 
It's an admission against 

1061
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,800
interest, as we as we call it in
the fantasy law guy world. 

1062
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:43,760
Jacob, what is tight end for? 
Like the Colts, odds for what 

1063
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,240
position they take first? 
Is tight end first? 

1064
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,120
Yeah, yeah, it is. 
I think that. 

1065
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:55,560
So the odd thing is, and I was 
just doing a lot of nodding 

1066
00:52:55,560 --> 00:53:00,960
listening to Pat's episode with 
FLG, it is a little weird to try

1067
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,960
to predict the Colts taking 
players that didn't work out 

1068
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:08,640
just based on their history of 
targeting extremely high Ras 

1069
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:12,240
players in the first two rounds.
Although WOTSU is a little bit 

1070
00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:16,200
off brand for them last year. 
But with Warren and Loveland, 

1071
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,560
like I I one thing I don't think
is going to be a big issue. 

1072
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,440
I heard FLG talk about level and
shoulder. 

1073
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,360
The Colts don't shy away from 
medical issues. 

1074
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,360
They took a lot to last year who
had to like medically retire at 

1075
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,680
one point in his college career.
They took Daio Dengbo in the 

1076
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,080
second round with I think it was
like a torn Achilles or torn 

1077
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:34,480
ACL. 
He didn't even play his first 

1078
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,120
year in the league with the 
Colts. 

1079
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,880
So they're they're not going to 
shy away from medicals, but the 

1080
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,480
lack of athletic testing I think
could be a potential issue. 

1081
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,600
But I don't know. 
They're just so they seem very 

1082
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:50,360
sat on enough already with it's 
a tight end committee. 

1083
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,800
Ballard's talked about it a lot.
And you look at the other 

1084
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,920
positions they would need like 
they they could use an edge 

1085
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,880
rusher, but they just drafted 
one last year in the first 

1086
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:00,280
round. 
And I don't think there's really

1087
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,640
a cult player here. 
Like maybe Shamar Stewart would 

1088
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:04,600
be the potential guy they would 
look at. 

1089
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,920
But Mike Green has character 
concerns. 

1090
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:09,720
They don't draft players with 
character concerns. 

1091
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:14,040
Same with with James Pierce. 
There's other guys with some arm

1092
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:17,160
length threshold issues and then
the other position I think they 

1093
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,360
would really like to take if, if
they could choose, would be 

1094
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:23,040
offensive tackle. 
So I think maybe Kelvin Banks or

1095
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,000
it's tight end. 
And then the other guy would be 

1096
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,200
John Campbell, the linebacker, 
But I know he has some medical 

1097
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,960
concerns, too. 
Could they take Loveland over 

1098
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:31,480
Warren? 
What chance would you give that 

1099
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,200
Loveland is +500 to be the first
tight end? 

1100
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,960
I still love it. 
I would take Loveland over 

1101
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,360
Warren. 
I, I don't think that they will.

1102
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:43,200
I think I don't know. 
I just based on the people that 

1103
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,200
are closest to the team's 
reporting, it seems to be that 

1104
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,520
they think that they prefer 
Warren as their Titan 1. 

1105
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:51,440
So I think both run. 
I think if I think if Warren was

1106
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,320
gone like he is in this 
scenario, I think they would 

1107
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,480
strongly consider Loveland. 
But I think if both are 

1108
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:56,800
available, they would take 
Warren. 

1109
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:02,720
I also think like I think that 
they should just take a 

1110
00:55:02,720 --> 00:55:05,280
quarterback if one is there, but
I don't think that they actually

1111
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:06,800
will do that. 
I don't. 

1112
00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:11,320
Yeah. 
Omarion Hampton to Denver at 20.

1113
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,520
Last thing on the Mcshay mock 
draft we're looking at here. 

1114
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:17,400
That's pretty close to 
consensus, isn't it? 

1115
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,760
Yeah, everyone, everyone kind of
thinks this is going to happen 

1116
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:25,560
if the bears don't take him. 
Yeah, neck, I think Put put said

1117
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:29,280
he thought 20 was Hampton 
Ceiling, but the 21 was his 

1118
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:33,120
four. 
The Broncos and the Steelers 

1119
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:37,560
should grab them. 
Not like his his real floor, but

1120
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:39,840
yeah. 
Our next mod draft will show 

1121
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:43,640
different, by the way. 
That would be like for for sure.

1122
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:48,840
Of all the fantasy eligible 
players outside of Cam Ward to 

1123
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:52,440
the Titans, the the one I'm 
would be most confident about is

1124
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,360
Hampton on the Broncos. 
That would that would be like 

1125
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,960
the next most likely. 
If I had to bet on one player to

1126
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,760
team match for my life, I think 
that'd be my second pick. 

1127
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:04,720
And that makes his rookie draft 
ceiling and floor also very 

1128
00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:08,640
narrow, like for between the one
O 2 and the one O 4 at the 

1129
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,600
lowest right. 
And we we'd love that for. 

1130
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:12,920
Considerably. 
By the way. 

1131
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:15,600
Basketball. 
Yeah, I think so. 

1132
00:56:16,240 --> 00:56:19,120
By the way, again referring to 
your ship chasing episode from 

1133
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:21,040
last week really quick. 
I've made Davis. 

1134
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:26,480
I've made two trades recently, 
sending away the one O 2 in 

1135
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:27,840
rookie drafts. 
I. 

1136
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:29,680
Tried to do it in our league 
yesterday. 

1137
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:30,960
No one. 
No, no takers. 

1138
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:35,480
I did one for the 1:03 and 1:00 
for the 101. 

1139
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:37,760
May I real quick? 
Please. 

1140
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:44,560
I was offered 103 mid 2nd, 4th 
for 1/02 and 1/7. 

1141
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:47,560
Fine, great. 
Easily great. 

1142
00:56:48,240 --> 00:56:53,000
Yeah, great. 
I traded the 1:02 and a Monroe 

1143
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:57,400
St. 
Brown for the 101, the 1:09 and 

1144
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:01,560
pure Sol. 
Wait, I'll also. 

1145
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:04,280
Repeat that one O 2 and almond 
raw. 

1146
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,520
Right. 
For for one O 1, one O 9 and 

1147
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,200
pure Sol. 
Would you do that? 

1148
00:57:10,240 --> 00:57:12,520
I mean, I just wanted to. 
I've got 10 I think. 

1149
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:15,160
That I would. 
No, yeah, I don't think I would.

1150
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:16,320
Because I I would. 
Look. 

1151
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:21,280
At one O 2 like I as kind of a 
Washington and then it's one O 2

1152
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:24,840
for one O 9 and pure Sol and I 
would prefer the one O 2. 

1153
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:29,240
OK. 
I mean, that's definitely fair. 

1154
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:31,240
It's way more fair than saying I
went to high school with Jackie 

1155
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:32,360
Robinson. 
Way more fair. 

1156
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:36,360
That was totally unfair. 
That was ridiculously unfair. 

1157
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:41,080
My father was born after his 
debut. 

1158
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:48,120
I mean, come on here. 
I don't know what what player 

1159
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,200
would you guys be trying to get 
the one O 2 for? 

1160
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:52,960
Because like in this league that
I'm in with shop, I'm like ready

1161
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:54,840
to win. 
I'm going to have Bijan Genti, 

1162
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:58,640
neighbors, worthy LaPorte, like 
it's a stud team. 

1163
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:00,440
What what what should I be 
trying to get? 

1164
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:05,040
Any that just a a point score? 
A lot of points I mean. 

1165
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:09,800
Hunter is interesting. 
Well, you're talking about not 

1166
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,000
rookies, but. 
Yeah, I I'm trying to. 

1167
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:13,600
I'm just like. 
Like is like Nico. 

1168
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:15,400
Collins possible. 
I offered it. 

1169
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:20,320
I offered it for Nico and got 
denied but that was that. 

1170
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:21,800
Was the. 
That was the line. 

1171
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:24,880
I think I would do your trade, 
Mike that second. 

1172
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:28,480
Yeah, because I, I think there's
a big, I was looking at the, I 

1173
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:31,000
think there's a big enough jump 
for mom and Rata Genti really, 

1174
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:36,800
that I would actually do it. 
All right, you know, it's always

1175
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,440
portfolio based too. 
I mean, I didn't have any one on

1176
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,520
ones. 
I wanted some Genti and you 

1177
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:45,840
know, a lot of my teams, you can
relate, are down at running back

1178
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:49,200
and good at receiver. 
Also in those FFPC rookie 

1179
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:52,040
drafts, Warren and Loveland will
be, you know, high picks. 

1180
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:55,840
It should be you know, it's 
always fun, but those will be 

1181
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:58,760
mid first round picks in if they
go in the first round in the 

1182
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,880
real draft, I would think tight 
end premium I. 

1183
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:03,880
Hope so. 
I I think that they've been a 

1184
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:06,840
bit underrated in some of the 
mocks that I've seen, but we'll 

1185
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:09,760
we'll get into that in in the 
dynasty St. soon. 

1186
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:15,360
All right. 
One other thing on this mock, we

1187
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:20,160
have Matthew Golden going 16 to 
the Cardinals, then we have the 

1188
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:25,600
Chargers going edge. 
We have no other wide receivers 

1189
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,800
in this mock draft, and he goes 
all the way out to 34. 

1190
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:35,520
So you know, Noah, Mecca, Buka, 
no Luther burden. 

1191
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:41,480
Not even Jalen Royals, not even 
Jalen Royals going in this first

1192
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:45,120
round here, Higgins so. 
That's pretty. 

1193
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:46,520
Yeah. 
That's pretty interesting. 

1194
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:48,640
Yeah. 
Yeah, Higgins. 

1195
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,160
Higgins would be a long shot, 
but those two guys both falling 

1196
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:54,160
out. 
I'm on board. 34 picks is is 

1197
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:55,920
kind of interesting. 
I'm on board. 

1198
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:59,120
I could see it. 
He doesn't have the Titans with 

1199
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:03,640
their pick at 33, so that's. 
You know, maybe, maybe they 

1200
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:06,200
would take one of those, but 
it's still through 34 picks, 

1201
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:09,640
only two wide receivers. 
They're 35 S again. 

1202
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:11,520
Those top three teams rotate 
this muck. 

1203
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:17,640
Titans are 35. 
Those top three teams rotate 

1204
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:21,120
round to round 'cause they tied.
So Cleveland has the first pick 

1205
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:24,720
and then the Giants in Round 2. 
All right, that's a good note. 

1206
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:26,960
All right, let's move to Warren 
Sharp. 

1207
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:29,400
Ryan McChrystal for Warren 
Sharp's website. 

1208
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:33,880
What's interesting here, The 
same Genti at six to the 

1209
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:35,880
Raiders. 
The same Tyler Warren to the 

1210
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:40,160
Bears. 
Davis also McMillan to Dallas at

1211
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:43,600
12. 
Then we get to pick 20. 

1212
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:45,480
It's not Hampton. 
It's Trayvion. 

1213
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:50,400
Henderson to Denver, Sanders to 
Pittsburgh, Loveland to the 

1214
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:52,720
Chargers. 
This little hot region here, 

1215
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:59,080
Golden to Green Bay at 23, Abuka
to the Rams at 26, and there's 

1216
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:03,760
Hampton as running back three at
pick 29 to Washington. 

1217
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:10,240
I mean, I've been on the record 
that I think the Cowboys are 

1218
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:12,960
more likely to take Golden than 
Tet. 

1219
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:18,560
Igbuka does not feel like a 
Ram's pick to me and I I promise

1220
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:22,440
Matthew Golden will not be a 
Packer there. 

1221
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:27,680
I I ran 10,000 simulate 80,000 
simulations and in in zero of 

1222
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:33,120
them did Golden doesn't even fit
one of the Packer like the 

1223
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:36,720
Packers are probably of all 32 
NFL teams the most you have to 

1224
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:38,840
meet our check Marks and if you 
don't meet our check marks, 

1225
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:43,920
you're off our board are. 
You saying he doesn't meet their

1226
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:45,720
their 40 threshold because it 
was fake? 

1227
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:47,280
Are you a conspiracy theorist 
there? 

1228
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:49,440
I guess, I guess he would meet 
that, but he doesn't meet 

1229
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:52,160
height, weight, age, college 
production. 

1230
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:58,040
They they don't even the Packers
are are sort of aged, let's see,

1231
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:03,120
20. 2 The dress of Jane. 
Reed He's 21 years old, then 

1232
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:05,800
turned 22 to August. 
Also the Packers. 

1233
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:08,000
He doesn't meet their weight 
threshold. 

1234
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:11,680
The the Packers also don't take 
Big 12 players. 

1235
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:16,880
I guess technically he's SEC or 
whatever, but so maybe not. 

1236
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:19,040
Maybe. 
Maybe because he got the the SEC

1237
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:21,560
season in, I don't know. 
Yeah, I think he he doesn't 

1238
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:23,000
check all the boxes. 
He checks a lot of them. 

1239
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:25,920
Do you guys still do that in 
your head that that Texas and 

1240
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:28,280
Oklahoma are still Big 12 teams 
even though they're not? 

1241
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:29,880
At all. 
Yeah, to me, they're to me. 

1242
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:32,360
They're in the slack bro. 
Yeah, Oklahoma's in the Big 

1243
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:35,560
Eight. 
Yeah, over here. 

1244
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:40,320
Now Loveland. 
Loveland to Chargers is Loveland

1245
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:43,160
to the Chargers are our 
generations. 

1246
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:47,600
Blake Quorum to the Chargers. 
Yeah, but Loveland's like better

1247
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:49,680
and it will happen. 
They need a tight end. 

1248
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:53,840
I I think this one's like pretty
likely to happen and I I would 

1249
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:55,760
love it. 
Yeah. 

1250
01:02:57,840 --> 01:02:59,680
Pat's going down before they 
take Campbell. 

1251
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:02,520
With who? 
And that question is not for me.

1252
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:07,880
It's from from Mike Brabel. 
MM on the line asked who do we 

1253
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:11,600
trade with please? 
You know what it what it sort of

1254
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:14,240
feels like, maybe this is kind 
of to be expected, but it sort 

1255
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:17,720
of feels like right now, a week 
away is that somebody could 

1256
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:20,920
trade up for Genti. 
Oh, sure. 

1257
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:23,360
Really, somebody could trade up 
for a running back. 

1258
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:28,960
Somebody who would it be like, I
don't know who it would be. 

1259
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:32,800
It's a big trade. 
Pretty good it they they're good

1260
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:35,640
at like I feel like with running
back now there's kind of like we

1261
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:39,360
understand, we all understand 
kind of why they're not as 

1262
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:42,160
valuable as first round picks 
and all of it until you actually

1263
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:44,200
like get the chance to do it and
you're like about this guy. 

1264
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:46,640
I mean, come on, he's worth a 
first round pick. 

1265
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:52,000
So I I think that gentie, I mean
he's I understand why everyone's

1266
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:53,360
excited. 
I'm very excited myself. 

1267
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:56,840
I could actually see teams 
throwing out the rule book on on

1268
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:58,120
him. 
Dallas. 

1269
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:02,560
I just, I don't think Dallas is 
taking a running back the first 

1270
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:03,720
round. 
I just don't think they value 

1271
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:05,560
the position. 
I just think it's like a lot of 

1272
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:10,880
people are like applying logic 
that existed like several years 

1273
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:13,400
ago in a way that we don't to 
other teams cuz people like to 

1274
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:15,480
mock the Cowboys. 
You know, I think they're 

1275
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:17,200
obviously going to take a 
running back in this draft. 

1276
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:18,720
They're they're not going to 
enter the season just with 

1277
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:21,520
Javonte and Miles Sanders after,
after what happened last year. 

1278
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:23,440
But I don't think it'll be round
one. 

1279
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:26,840
I I I that's just my lean. 
I I don't I also I'm not sure 

1280
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:30,880
the Raiders take Jetty. 
I think in my mock I'll probably

1281
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:38,160
do Genti to the Bears. 
Yeah, maybe it's a little too 

1282
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:41,280
easy, but for me the Dallas 
thing is just like, let's get a 

1283
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:44,720
star in here. 
They're so stale, the Cowboys 

1284
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:47,960
and they're so old. 
Like just wouldn't that be like 

1285
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:50,840
whatever, here's a here's a 
first, whatever, Let's just 

1286
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:52,680
let's get somebody in here. 
We can. 

1287
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:55,000
We're the most valuable 
franchise in sports anyway, 

1288
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:58,160
despite we never win. 
Let's just get somebody you know

1289
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:01,680
great. 
And all the things you said are 

1290
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:04,160
are fair, like what what they 
think of the position. 

1291
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:09,360
But Gente is so superlative that
I could see a team being tempted

1292
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:11,800
and Dallas would be a team for 
me that's easily tempted. 

1293
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:15,600
But they shouldn't. 
I I think they should take Tet 

1294
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:19,960
personally, but agreed we'll 
see. 

1295
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:27,320
Trayvion running back 2 Denver 
Davis You're always like, who 

1296
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:29,480
are the classic Broncos 
prospects? 

1297
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:33,320
Is he one? 
I don't know. 

1298
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:36,600
He feels a little less patony to
me. 

1299
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,960
I wonder, though, I, I think 
I've ultimately landed on this 

1300
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:43,560
side of the divide of if this 
class has 20 running backs, then

1301
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:44,760
why would you take one in the 
first? 

1302
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:47,840
I, I think that that's actually 
what we're going to see. 

1303
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:52,760
We'll see Hampton and Gente go 
round one and then maybe one or 

1304
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:55,880
two of them, like maybe oh, 
Caleb Johnson or or Judkins ends

1305
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:58,160
up being Round 2. 
But I think what is going to 

1306
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:02,560
happen is because there are 20 
dudes and so many of them are of

1307
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:07,680
the similar skill set, the 215 
to 225 LB early down guy. 

1308
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:12,320
Some of these guys that are, you
know, oh shit, we're taking pick

1309
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:14,800
your running back in the top 100
of the big board and he was a 

1310
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:17,880
round four pick. 
And it's not going to be a death

1311
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:20,000
knell. 
It's just going to be the teams 

1312
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:24,480
kind of all have this tacit 
agreement that, you know, these 

1313
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:29,240
guys are all Damien Martinez and
Quinshawn Judkins are going to 

1314
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:33,160
roughly approximate the same 
thing on our NFL team. 

1315
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:35,320
So why pay through the nose for 
one of them? 

1316
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:40,160
Yeah, I think then I don't know.
I just buy the reporting on how 

1317
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:43,000
much Denver wants running back. 
They haven't done anything else 

1318
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:46,120
in free agency, like they 
haven't set up contingencies. 

1319
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:50,600
I think they're I think that 
they're probably taking Hampton 

1320
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:52,560
and if Hampton's off the board, 
I wouldn't be surprised if they 

1321
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:55,520
take Henderson. 
Personally, if I had both on the

1322
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:59,360
board, I would take Henderson 
like I'm doing my real life 

1323
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:01,080
running back rankings. 
I think he's a second best 

1324
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:03,520
running back in this class, but 
that doesn't seem to be the 

1325
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:06,160
commonly shared opinion. 
So it it would surprise me if 

1326
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,640
they didn't take if they took 
Henderson while Hampton was on 

1327
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:09,920
the board, but you never know 
what. 

1328
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:16,080
Do you think of Washington as a 
running back pick in round one? 

1329
01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:19,480
I think it's pretty plausible, I
think probably, I think I would.

1330
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:21,960
I think you've switched these 
two names. 

1331
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:23,200
Is is is I think. 
What? 

1332
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:24,840
We'll actually, yeah. 
Then then it becomes a lot more.

1333
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:27,480
I think the Broncos take Hampton
and I think Washington takes 

1334
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:27,920
Henderson. 
I. 

1335
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:30,760
Don't think. 
Henderson's a nice compliment 

1336
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:33,040
though for Robinson too, right? 
Isn't he Henderson? 

1337
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:35,600
I mean, that's not great for him
fantasy wise, but that's a 

1338
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:38,040
compliment. 
Brian Robinson's not going away.

1339
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:41,800
They had a quote yesterday about
how much they want to fund 

1340
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:44,120
running backs to catch passes 
and how much they value that. 

1341
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:46,440
And they didn't name check 
either of their two running 

1342
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:47,920
backs that are currently on the 
roster. 

1343
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:51,960
Henderson is a good pass 
catcher, not just a good pass 

1344
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:54,160
catcher, but he's I think the 
best pass protecting running 

1345
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:56,320
back of the top guys in this 
class. 

1346
01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:59,880
And so, yeah, I think it would 
be a great fit where he can 

1347
01:07:59,880 --> 01:08:04,760
handle, you know, Robinson could
then be like a a complimentary 

1348
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:08,880
guy who handles. 
I don't know, goal lines, really

1349
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:11,960
high volume running back anyway,
but you give Henderson all the 

1350
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:15,320
pass down work, you give him a 
majority of the early down 

1351
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:18,520
carries and a lot of explosive 
fun stuff, and Robinson just 

1352
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:20,439
kind of takes the boring low 
calorie work. 

1353
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:23,319
Yep. 
I also think Robinson could just

1354
01:08:23,319 --> 01:08:25,800
go away. 
You know, they they don't really

1355
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:29,399
value him that much. 
There seems capped a kind of a 

1356
01:08:29,399 --> 01:08:33,560
rotational roll. 
He's the kind of drafting him 

1357
01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:36,880
goes away all the time. 
No, I don't. 

1358
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:39,200
No, I don't even. 
I don't even know where he goes.

1359
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:40,840
And I drafted a party. 
I. 

1360
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:45,520
Rarely take it. 
I'm not interested in the guys 

1361
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:49,439
who if the draft if the draft 
with one of the most loaded deep

1362
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:51,680
draft classes at running back in
years. 

1363
01:08:52,279 --> 01:08:56,800
If if they dodge those bullets, 
we'll go roughly where they're 

1364
01:08:56,800 --> 01:09:00,600
going now. 
I, I just didn't like, I mean, 

1365
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:04,760
you know, you can exempt the 
early rounds from that, but like

1366
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:08,520
Robinson's not even going to 
move up that much. 

1367
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:11,160
Maybe moves up a round or 
something if Fibby dodges a 

1368
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:13,160
bullet. 
But there was no excitement 

1369
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:15,040
about him last year or the year 
before. 

1370
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:19,240
And, and he, I think he's in 
real risk of, of them doing 

1371
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:21,600
something like this or second 
round or third round. 

1372
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:24,840
That would all hurt. 
I cannot tell you that as much 

1373
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:27,800
as Lutz didn't like the first 
mock draft, he also doesn't like

1374
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:31,120
this one either. 
Mock mock draft. 

1375
01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:34,920
Review. 
No fence to Ryan McChrystal but 

1376
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:37,800
this mock is pure dog shit. 
Mock drafting. 

1377
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:40,040
It's very easy to say how 
they're bad. 

1378
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:45,240
It it is, it is hard. 
It it like doing because like I 

1379
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:48,279
actually totally get why these 
teams keep putting Tyler Warren 

1380
01:09:48,279 --> 01:09:51,000
there. 
Like, oh, Tyler Warren, everyone

1381
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:52,479
loves him. 
He's going to be a top ten pick.

1382
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:55,440
Oh well, the bears pick a 10. 
Like they kind of need a third 

1383
01:09:55,440 --> 01:09:58,000
pass catcher. 
They kind they have a creative 

1384
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:00,960
play caller. 
Like I get, I don't think it 

1385
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:05,320
happens, but I get why those 
things happen. 

1386
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:08,840
I think mock drafts are tough 
because when I look at a mock 

1387
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:11,920
draft, I basically just go like,
correct, correct. 

1388
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:14,680
As long as it like literally, I 
just feel myself like confirming

1389
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:16,160
my priors. 
And the second I get someone 

1390
01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:18,280
that doesn't, I'm like, this guy
doesn't even follow the draft. 

1391
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:21,080
What an idiot. 
And then obviously like 

1392
01:10:21,440 --> 01:10:23,360
everything I think is going to 
get blown up. 

1393
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:27,680
I'm totally wrong about half 
this stuff, but yeah, we're all 

1394
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:29,640
probably you got us more 
confident and it was like you. 

1395
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:30,680
Got to set yourself apart. 
I had. 

1396
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:34,400
AI had the right first six picks
and I was like, I am a genius, 

1397
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:36,960
like I'm going to go 32 for 32. 
And then it was like 

1398
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:39,280
immediately, like mock gets 
completely derailed. 

1399
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:40,840
And it was like, what the fuck 
is this? 

1400
01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:43,480
Then Michael Panic. 
Chapman, I did just say mock 

1401
01:10:43,480 --> 01:10:46,360
jobs are hard work, but. 
Yeah, Yeah. 

1402
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:51,120
By the way, we on the last one, 
Sanders, Sanders to Pittsburgh 

1403
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:53,000
on that last one. 
Yeah. 

1404
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:55,480
Oh, Sanders to Pittsburgh. 
Yeah, you didn't like that 

1405
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:57,160
though. 
FLG was was opposed. 

1406
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:03,160
Well, is dark is dark gone or is
no quarterback too quarterback? 

1407
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:05,680
So this one, this one's not a 
quarterback heavy draft. 

1408
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:08,640
We had no mil row. 
This was 4 quarterbacks going in

1409
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:09,560
the first round. 
This is 2. 

1410
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:12,280
Correct, Correct. 
Yeah, this is more likely. 

1411
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:16,680
Maybe you know what I mean. 
Likely. 

1412
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:19,200
I don't know what's more likely 
with this, with the scar injury,

1413
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:21,040
it's it's shaking everything up.
I don't know what you're 

1414
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:24,240
thinking anymore. 
Here we have PFF, this is Trevor

1415
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:27,160
Sikkima and Dalton Wasserman, I 
believe. 

1416
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:29,640
And so the highlights. 
Genti. 

1417
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:34,840
Sorry, yes, is that right? 
Genti 6 to the Raiders. 

1418
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:40,360
Tyler Warren 7 to The Jets. 
Sanders 9 to the Saints again. 

1419
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:45,480
Then McMillan falls to 17. 
Ellis picks linebacker. 

1420
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:47,520
Safety. 
We just signed Cam Bynum. 

1421
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:50,480
What the fuck is this? 
Malachi Starks to the Colts. 

1422
01:11:50,480 --> 01:11:52,600
Sorry to blow past that. 
I'm doing really doing my. 

1423
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:54,880
I'm doing what the commenters 
are doing. 

1424
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:56,400
Just type it in. 
Yeah, just type it in. 

1425
01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:57,200
What? 
Does this guy know? 

1426
01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:59,800
Yeah. 
McMillan and Golden back-to-back

1427
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:04,200
1718 Charger Seahawks, Hampton 
20 to Denver back to that. 

1428
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:07,320
Abuka to the Packers. 
I don't know how many of Davis's

1429
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:10,520
10,000 simulations might have 
landed there. 

1430
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:12,400
Loveland to the Rams, He 
probably. 

1431
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:13,720
Does fit all their thresholds 
He. 

1432
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:15,240
He fits. 
He's way more. 

1433
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:17,160
He's way more. 
Packers even gold. 

1434
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:18,800
A Packer player. 
Yeah, that's. 

1435
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:20,920
Interesting. 
I just I don't want them on the 

1436
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:23,640
Rams because Puka and Ibuka 
would be a lot to sort of have 

1437
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:26,160
to say. 
And the Chiefs trading out of a 

1438
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:30,680
first round pick to let to to 
trade up to take the Oregon 

1439
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:33,440
tackle. 
That is not Chiefs football 

1440
01:12:33,440 --> 01:12:35,760
Chiefs. 
Chiefs don't really trade up. 

1441
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:37,560
They would be much more likely 
to trade. 

1442
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:40,800
Down Bill's Mafia would like a 
word. 

1443
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:43,160
After last year, the worthy 
trade was you. 

1444
01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:50,160
Know a few, but Conner Lee would
be would be a Packer or a would 

1445
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:56,120
be a chief style tackle to take 
so good mock. 

1446
01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:58,160
I did a good mock. 
Yeah, that guy. 

1447
01:12:58,480 --> 01:13:02,200
Matthew Matthew Golden, 18 to 
the Seahawks, so we get 17. 

1448
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:03,200
Oh, that's interesting. 
So the. 

1449
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:06,120
Chargers, right? 
They guess they traded up. 

1450
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:09,840
With the Bengals. 
Logo They traded with the 

1451
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:11,520
Bengals. 
Yeah. 

1452
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:13,520
OK. 
And then the Seahawks come or 

1453
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:16,600
stay at 18 and take Golden. 
It works. 

1454
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:18,680
Hampton to the Broncos. 
Yeah. 

1455
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:24,040
The book of the Packers. 
I yeah, it works. 

1456
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:28,440
I've been working on my wide 
receiver article, hoping to get 

1457
01:13:28,440 --> 01:13:31,560
the first one out tonight and I 
think I'm gonna have a book of 

1458
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:37,000
wide receiver 3. 
Yeah, that's, that's, that's 

1459
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:38,720
where I'm at too. 
That's including Hunter at one, 

1460
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:40,680
right? 
Hunters one. 

1461
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:42,240
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
Hunter 1. 

1462
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:44,720
I have the. 
I've been. 

1463
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:48,080
I'll also have mine shortly and 
I have the same top three in the

1464
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:50,600
same order as you. 
It is including Hunter or not 

1465
01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:52,440
it's it is. 
Including Hunter. 

1466
01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:55,840
Yeah, yeah. 
Abuka Golden and Burden. 

1467
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:58,360
I've been like wrestling with 
and I've. 

1468
01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:01,960
I think I'm gonna go Abuka. 
Golden Burden. 

1469
01:14:03,440 --> 01:14:06,040
You know, can may I on Golden 
again? 

1470
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:09,240
Like we talked a couple of weeks
ago, does he have to be in the 

1471
01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:11,480
first round? 
And everybody was like, yes, I 

1472
01:14:11,480 --> 01:14:13,440
talked to Matt Harman, I 
mentioned this last week, I 

1473
01:14:13,440 --> 01:14:16,440
think, and he's like he's a lock
right in the Discord. 

1474
01:14:16,440 --> 01:14:18,240
He's a lock to be a first round 
pick. 

1475
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:20,840
I don't know. 
We'll get eventually to one more

1476
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:24,280
slide where he's ranked pretty 
low among wide receivers, isn't 

1477
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:25,960
he? 
You guys, you know, you're the 

1478
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:30,120
ball knowers. 
Isn't Golden the prototype of 

1479
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:34,880
the guy you want to avoid? 
There's a lot of red barracks 

1480
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:36,880
for fans. 
Scott Barrett has been had 

1481
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:39,960
picked up this sword and shield.
He's just been like arguing 

1482
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:42,920
against against everyone. 
Well the fun thing with with 

1483
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:45,280
Scott's is like he doesn't even 
actually have golden that low. 

1484
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:48,000
Like he hasn't ranked wide 
receiver. 5 wide receiver. 

1485
01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:50,960
Five, Yeah. 
Well 4 but he he doesn't count 

1486
01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:54,320
Hunter in his rankings. 
So he he has like Hunter is like

1487
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:58,800
in a separate category and then 
he he ranked him 4, but so it'd 

1488
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:00,320
be 5 if he included Hunter 
because he. 

1489
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:02,720
That's defensible, you know, if 
you had burden over him. 

1490
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:04,400
But it's like, so it's like not 
even that high. 

1491
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:06,920
Like it's the same ranking I'm 
going to have on on golden. 

1492
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:11,280
I I have burden at four and 
golden at 5:00 and it's like, 

1493
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:13,000
and I haven't been the same 
tier. 

1494
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:15,720
So it's not like Scott's like 
trying to like be ridiculous and

1495
01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:17,560
he's doesn't haven't like wide 
receiver 10 or something. 

1496
01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:19,840
Wait till the next slide. 
Wait till the next slide. 

1497
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:21,560
You'll see that. 
And it's like, well, The thing 

1498
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:26,400
is like he's the guy you want to
avoid in the sense of let's 

1499
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:28,080
assume he goes somewhere in the 
teens. 

1500
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:31,760
You don't want to draft him as 
highly as you would draft 

1501
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:33,760
average wide receiver going in 
the teens like you. 

1502
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:35,560
You wouldn't want to draft him 
where Ted's going to go. 

1503
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:37,680
And they're probably going to go
similarly in the real draft, but

1504
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:39,440
you're not going to have to. 
You're going to have to draft 

1505
01:15:39,440 --> 01:15:43,800
him like the 112-2012 O2. 
That's 100% defensible. 

1506
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:46,640
In rookie drafts. 
The thing? 

1507
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:50,160
The one thing with guys like 
what Steve and Sam are doing in 

1508
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:52,880
these rankings and when I'm not 
doing in my rankings and I'm 

1509
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:55,440
pretty sure Pat is the same. 
It's like when I'm ranking pre 

1510
01:15:55,440 --> 01:15:58,680
draft, I'm ranking. 
If you have a rookie draft a 

1511
01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:00,760
minute after you read my 
article, this is how I would 

1512
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:02,280
draft them today. 
Yeah, that's. 

1513
01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:06,360
Right, I'm counting the fact 
that Golden is probably gonna go

1514
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:09,480
round one and at worst very 
early Round 2. 

1515
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:13,040
I think Sam and Steve are just 
saying here are my favorite 

1516
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:14,640
players. 
You know, if I was NFL general 

1517
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:17,480
manager, here's how I would take
them that that's freeing. 

1518
01:16:17,480 --> 01:16:19,920
So like I included that at the 
bottom my running back column, 

1519
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:22,480
for instance, and I have like 
Quincheon Junkins, for instance,

1520
01:16:22,480 --> 01:16:25,200
like RB8IN in those rankings, 
but that's not how I would ever 

1521
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:28,360
do it in a fantasy draft. 
I, I would have Golden probably 

1522
01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:33,160
ranked closer to where these 
guys have it if I didn't have to

1523
01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:34,520
tie myself to where he's going 
to. 

1524
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:38,720
Get drafted, OK? 
Yeah, but so I, I mostly agree 

1525
01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:41,080
with that in the way you 
describe the way I'm ranking it 

1526
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:43,840
is exactly right. 
You know, I'm ranking it for 

1527
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:48,520
like actionable, you know, 
fantasy dynasty, best ball stuff

1528
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:51,800
right now. 
But also kind of like where I 

1529
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:54,120
think they'll be close to ending
up. 

1530
01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:57,480
Like I'm trying to bake in some 
of the, you know, the the range 

1531
01:16:57,480 --> 01:16:59,800
of outcomes on where they get 
drafted because I want these to 

1532
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:06,200
live longer than a week. 
But I also like not including 

1533
01:17:07,480 --> 01:17:10,480
big parts of the analysis. 
Like I don't do like tape 

1534
01:17:10,480 --> 01:17:12,600
predictive tape breakdowns on 
these guys. 

1535
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:15,560
Like I've seen them play, but I 
don't that's not a part of my 

1536
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:19,000
process. 
So to me, the draft capital, 

1537
01:17:19,480 --> 01:17:21,560
it's more than just like 
opportunity. 

1538
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:23,800
It's actually a bit of a talent 
signal. 

1539
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:27,640
Like what what does the NFL 
think of these guys is a huge 

1540
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:30,560
part of of stuff that I'm not 
trying to capture. 

1541
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:34,200
Like my bet is basically like 
some of the tape is already 

1542
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:36,800
baked into the draft position 
and I'm not an expert in it. 

1543
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:39,640
So I'm going to be focusing on 
things that maybe the NF LS not 

1544
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:43,600
considering enough and add to 
the draft capital. 

1545
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:45,520
It'll be additive to draft 
capital. 

1546
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:50,200
So in all honesty, I just 
wouldn't have Golden ranked 8th 

1547
01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:53,520
like ever because he's just 
going to get drafted way higher 

1548
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:56,600
than Jalen Royals who's got a 
ton of red flags in his profile 

1549
01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:57,960
too. 
Like, I don't know. 

1550
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:00,240
Understood it. 
Matters for talent. 

1551
01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:03,440
It's the key point is like, 
there's fantasy analysis, 

1552
01:18:03,440 --> 01:18:06,080
there's the mock draft trying to
predict slots, and there's this.

1553
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:09,280
This is Sam Monson, Steve 
Palazzolo ranking their favorite

1554
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:11,240
receivers. 
You guys are right about that. 

1555
01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:16,120
I just think this is maybe two 
guys, some reflection on the 

1556
01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:21,520
NFL, you know, thought process 
on this and Scott Barrett stuff.

1557
01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:25,800
Golden, 7th on Sam's rankings, 
8th on Steve's. 

1558
01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:27,640
Does the league have to like 
him? 

1559
01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:32,080
No, right. 
Does the league have to love him

1560
01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:35,720
enough to, you know, tell us 
what we're all sort of assuming,

1561
01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:39,520
which is he's like a top 20 pick
and I still have my doubts. 

1562
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:41,800
Luther Burden is 3 on each of 
these guys. 

1563
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:43,640
Burden is, you know, such a 
talent. 

1564
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:45,840
Could some team prefer him? 
Yes, I. 

1565
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:48,800
Think people should watch more 
ball if they think Jalen Royals 

1566
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:50,680
is better than Matthew Golden. 
I'm going to be. 

1567
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:52,240
I'm going to be real. 
Let me, let me be. 

1568
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:54,880
That one's a tough one. 
Let me be the old man. 

1569
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:56,640
Let me be the old man. 
Crank here. 

1570
01:18:57,000 --> 01:19:02,280
Golden. 
Golden was a productive but 

1571
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:06,720
injured player at Houston. 
Then he transferred to the top 

1572
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:09,880
five team that played multiple 
College Football Playoff games 

1573
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:15,520
and was like their most 
effective playmaker, 

1574
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:19,320
particularly after Bond. 
What did he did? 

1575
01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:22,880
Bond did something to his ankle 
and he was also, let me let me 

1576
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:26,880
Fact Check myself on this, but 
I'm pretty certain that he was 

1577
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:29,800
also a pretty strong returner, 
which we know that. 

1578
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:31,280
Yeah, he was. 
He was a really good punt 

1579
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:34,800
returner and scored two kick 
return touchdowns his sophomore 

1580
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:37,960
season, which is something that 
we know lens credence to. 

1581
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:40,960
That was one of the Percy Harvin
big things was Percy Harvin was 

1582
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:43,760
like a crazy good returner. 
That is an old John Moore wrote 

1583
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:46,880
of his thing that pun kick 
returns for wide receivers are 

1584
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:50,800
predictive. 
But basically, look, man, I I 

1585
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:55,800
get Higgins and Noel are like 
fun and they produced and stuff,

1586
01:19:55,800 --> 01:20:02,040
but you know, this is this is to
me kind of borders on like rage 

1587
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:04,360
bait. 
That's what someone with Jack 

1588
01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:06,520
called it. 
Yeah, it's just, it's. 

1589
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:09,560
Just it's, it's unserious 
because it's unserious both in 

1590
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:13,480
terms of how NFL teams will view
them and it's unserious based on

1591
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:16,200
what they did in high leverage 
spots. 

1592
01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:22,440
Matthew Golden got open on 4th 
and 14 to win his team a College

1593
01:20:22,440 --> 01:20:26,120
Football Playoff game, while 
Jaden Higgins was, you know, 

1594
01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:29,600
getting down to 218 so he could 
run a good 40 for the combine. 

1595
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:31,320
I just, I just think it's 
unserious. 

1596
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:38,800
Yeah, I mean, golden is not a 
golden has some real kind of red

1597
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:41,960
flags in his profile. 
But for sure if you if you zoom 

1598
01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:43,360
out, it's like. 
Anybody in this class? 

1599
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:46,720
He's a, he's a three-year guy. 
He's going to get drafted in the

1600
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:48,400
first round. 
By the way, if we're trying to 

1601
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:51,600
predict that at this point, if 
you just want to try to predict 

1602
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:54,160
if you're going to use one 
source, I would at this point 

1603
01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:59,400
recommend grinding the mocks, 
which has, but really only kind 

1604
01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:01,120
of threw like the first like 50 
picks. 

1605
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:04,760
But Golden is got an expected 
draft position of 18.6. 

1606
01:21:05,240 --> 01:21:08,480
That's five spots behind Ted, 
but it's ahead of burden. 

1607
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:13,440
Burden's at 26.9 at Buca 24.3. 
He's not like a mortal lock for 

1608
01:21:13,440 --> 01:21:17,440
the first rounds, but something 
like this that's this is not 

1609
01:21:17,440 --> 01:21:19,120
telling us what the league 
thinks of this. 

1610
01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:22,880
We have other sources for for 
right, You know, even if you're 

1611
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:25,200
trying to say I want to, I want 
to try to take the mock draft 

1612
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:28,320
universe to help have me tell me
what the league is going to do. 

1613
01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:30,800
There's other ways to do that. 
And I would I would recommend 

1614
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:32,400
grinding the mocks for that 
exercise. 

1615
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:39,120
But yeah, I think go like I'm 
not even a big golden guy and I 

1616
01:21:39,440 --> 01:21:41,440
assumed I would have him wide 
receiver three following the 

1617
01:21:41,440 --> 01:21:43,280
draft capital. 
I'm not I'm going to I'm going 

1618
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:45,560
to have him behind a Buka, but I
am going to have him ahead of 

1619
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:48,480
burden because of the draft 
capital and because I do think 

1620
01:21:48,480 --> 01:21:51,720
he does a thing. 
Well, let me let me share this 

1621
01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:56,520
I'll share this chart, which is 
going to be in my wide receiver 

1622
01:21:56,520 --> 01:22:02,720
article because I think let's 
see, I got to remove this. 

1623
01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:05,640
My bad. 
All right, I just realize the. 

1624
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:08,400
Dude, the dude on the right 
didn't rank Igbuka at all. 

1625
01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:12,560
OK, what I was putting. 
I'm on the top 10 which that I I

1626
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:14,040
like. 
Blew my mind, but that's wild. 

1627
01:22:14,040 --> 01:22:18,200
Which which as a hater I 
appreciate, But continue Pat. 

1628
01:22:19,200 --> 01:22:21,200
No, I I need to see this now. 
So he. 

1629
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:24,080
I'm a big I'm I'm a big Sam fan.
Jimmy Horn, Junior. 

1630
01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:25,880
Sure. 
Totally, dude. 

1631
01:22:25,880 --> 01:22:27,120
Jimmy Horn Junior. 
Totally. 

1632
01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:32,200
Who is Jimmy Horn Junior? 
He plays for Colorado. 

1633
01:22:32,480 --> 01:22:34,400
He said Colorado's wide receiver
4. 

1634
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:37,160
Can we let how I get their own? 
Opinions. 

1635
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:38,440
Damn. 
Honestly. 

1636
01:22:38,440 --> 01:22:40,840
I mean a buka not in your top 10
is an opinion. 

1637
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:44,080
I'm not going. 
To no, I I like, I mean, I think

1638
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:44,720
it was. 
I'm gonna. 

1639
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:46,680
I'm gonna talk. 
About that I think it's 

1640
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:49,200
something that we should flag 
because it's interesting, but I 

1641
01:22:49,480 --> 01:22:53,200
appreciate people are trying to 
do different things with all 

1642
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:58,040
this right And I actually really
like that we have people in the 

1643
01:22:58,040 --> 01:23:02,520
space that don't try to herd and
they don't incorporate draft 

1644
01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:05,760
capital and they aren't worried 
about occasionally looking silly

1645
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:08,920
because like obviously, you 
know, Aristotle is just clearly 

1646
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:13,160
correct like the the wisdom of 
the of the crowds will always be

1647
01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:16,520
on aggregate better than the 
wisdom of of one individual man,

1648
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:20,240
but not in every single case 
right That's that has to be 

1649
01:23:20,240 --> 01:23:22,880
aggregated. 
So I, I think it's, it does a 

1650
01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:26,200
service to everybody to have 
people willing to stand on an 

1651
01:23:26,200 --> 01:23:28,880
island and and be like, Hey, 
this is my take. 

1652
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:30,800
And that doesn't mean 
necessarily then you just like 

1653
01:23:31,320 --> 01:23:33,240
ignore everything else and 
you're like, I'm willing to bet 

1654
01:23:33,240 --> 01:23:36,000
at all on this guy who has Mecca
Buko wide receiver 11. 

1655
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:39,080
But I, I think it's like 
generally useful if we don't 

1656
01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:41,520
just get funneled into one 
specific. 

1657
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:42,720
That's right. 
Thanks. 

1658
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:44,320
Amen. 
You just have to understand the 

1659
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:46,080
point of what you're reading, 
right? 

1660
01:23:46,120 --> 01:23:51,120
So it's like, if you are, this 
is just like 2 guys being like, 

1661
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:53,960
I watched the tape and I looked 
at the numbers and these are my 

1662
01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:57,600
thoughts. 
And like that is cool, but it's 

1663
01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:00,280
not necessarily. 
And I don't think they would say

1664
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:03,040
this is how I would rank 
everybody to go take him in your

1665
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:05,640
fantasy draft today. 
Like so it's, it's a different, 

1666
01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:07,880
it's a totally different 
objective. 

1667
01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:10,440
And you have to say about Sam 
and Steve, like they put in a 

1668
01:24:10,440 --> 01:24:12,680
lot of work. 
This is not just somebody 

1669
01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:16,880
posting a list that they are on,
you know, on their podcast hour 

1670
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:20,680
and a half a day, so. 
This I just want to share this 

1671
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:22,920
with Golden cuz I do. 
He's an interesting prospect 

1672
01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:27,440
where his Yak stuff, he's got 
40% of his career Yak came 

1673
01:24:27,440 --> 01:24:31,000
behind the line of scrimmage and
like it accounts for decent 

1674
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:34,640
chunk of what he did. 
And so that's that's actually 

1675
01:24:34,640 --> 01:24:37,880
like a red flag in my mind as a 
kind of gadget player, red 

1676
01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:40,360
flags. 
And then you look at him 

1677
01:24:40,440 --> 01:24:42,400
producing Yak actually on 
downfield targets. 

1678
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:46,800
It's not that impressive, but he
draws targets downfield. 

1679
01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:49,240
Like where did he actually 
produce yards at the top here? 

1680
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:53,720
31% on intermediate, 35% on deep
targets, 17 to 20 yards a game 

1681
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:56,680
on those targets. 
So he does a thing at the NFL 

1682
01:24:56,680 --> 01:25:01,680
level that translates. 
He he can draw targets 10 plus 

1683
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:04,480
yards downfield. 
He doesn't add a ton of yak, at 

1684
01:25:04,480 --> 01:25:06,440
least he didn't in college. 
On those targets. 

1685
01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:09,280
If you want yak, you kind of got
to feed him underneath a little 

1686
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:11,400
bit more. 
So it is kind of like a little 

1687
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:15,040
bit Jalen royalty in that sense.
But I think he can actually add 

1688
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:18,320
more in the intermediate in the 
intermediate area of the field. 

1689
01:25:19,440 --> 01:25:23,600
The funny thing about gold, like
someone called him high floor or

1690
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:26,440
low floor, high ceiling. 
I think he might be low floor, 

1691
01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:29,960
kind of middling ceiling. 
That's that's the my issue with 

1692
01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:33,120
Golden is that I'm not if. 
He's not if he's actually not if

1693
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:37,400
he's actually 42940. 
No, that I I don't think that 

1694
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:38,520
the 40. 
Is no one thinks he. 

1695
01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:41,120
Plays indicative of ceiling and 
no one thinks that he plays like

1696
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:44,040
that either, but like to me, the
ceiling on him is more. 

1697
01:25:44,120 --> 01:25:47,080
I mean, this is I think Carmen 
mentioned Jordan Addison and I 

1698
01:25:47,080 --> 01:25:50,320
think I've said Emmanuel Sanders
before, like it's he's like a 

1699
01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:55,760
not necessarily like a a you 
know, Mike Wallace, like I just 

1700
01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:58,240
run go routes guy, but he's 
definitely like more of a 

1701
01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:03,120
secondary wide receiver who wins
on like posts and deep crossers 

1702
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:05,480
and stuff like that, which is 
like Jordan Addison valuable to 

1703
01:26:05,480 --> 01:26:07,320
the NFL. 
Yeah, exactly like Jordan 

1704
01:26:07,320 --> 01:26:09,520
Addison like and it's like 
that's valuable to the NFL. 

1705
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:12,240
Like Brandon Cooks is kind of a 
guy like this, like, and it's 

1706
01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:14,640
like that's valuable, but I 
don't think it's that high of a 

1707
01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:19,640
fantasy ceiling because like, 
you know, I like really bought 

1708
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:21,240
into like Ladd Mcconkey last 
year. 

1709
01:26:21,480 --> 01:26:24,080
And part of that was the targets
for outrun stuff that you could 

1710
01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:25,600
translate. 
But also part of that was like 

1711
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:28,280
he won in a way that I think 
despite people saying he was low

1712
01:26:28,280 --> 01:26:30,840
sealing, I think is wrong. 
Like he consistently just wins 

1713
01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:34,240
in like the intermediate areas 
of the field, like in like the 

1714
01:26:34,440 --> 01:26:37,520
seven to 15 yards, which is like
that to me is a really high. 

1715
01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:40,320
That's how you get 10 catches 
for 120 yards on loop. 

1716
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:43,120
And that's how you become Amanor
Cooper Cop Golden's like a 

1717
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:46,520
little bit deeper. 
So he's more of like a four for 

1718
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:50,000
80 and one type of guy, which is
valuable. 

1719
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:52,840
But I, I wonder how valuable. 
Like I, I feel like the ceiling 

1720
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:56,600
on him, if it works out is more 
like, I don't know, like maybe 

1721
01:26:56,600 --> 01:26:58,800
it's Crystal Lavey, maybe it's 
Jordan Addison. 

1722
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:00,640
Like it's in. 
That range, yeah, he's. 

1723
01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:04,640
Going to be wide receiver 17. 
So here's Abuka and this is 

1724
01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:06,880
where I was kind of like, is he 
low ceiling? 

1725
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:09,840
Because like you look at the 
deep stuff, he's he's not going 

1726
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:11,920
to produce deep. 
His his deep targets were 

1727
01:27:11,920 --> 01:27:13,440
contested and he didn't produce 
there. 

1728
01:27:13,440 --> 01:27:16,720
So like if you're counting on 
Abuka to win deep, I'm sorry, 

1729
01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:20,880
but 39% of his career yards, 
intermediate, 24 yards a game, 

1730
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:25,200
he's adding yak on those plays. 
He's adding yak on short, 

1731
01:27:25,200 --> 01:27:28,720
intermediate and somewhat behind
the line of scrimmage as well. 

1732
01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:32,160
But you're actually like he's 
generating yak and he's 

1733
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:34,600
generating a ton of targets. 
Intermediate area of the field 

1734
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:38,440
also produces short. 
I'm like, OK, this guy, like 

1735
01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:42,160
he's limited in terms of the 
types of routes. 

1736
01:27:42,480 --> 01:27:45,440
Also, you look at Matt Harmon's 
charting, he's he's the third 

1737
01:27:45,440 --> 01:27:47,680
worst that he's charted so far 
on 9 routes. 

1738
01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:50,640
So like it all tells the same 
story like this dude is not 

1739
01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:53,520
going to beat you deep, even 
though he's actually, you know, 

1740
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:56,880
had a good 40. 
Everything lines up here that 

1741
01:27:56,880 --> 01:28:00,040
that Abuka is not going to, you 
know, be a a true downfield 

1742
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:03,160
playmaker, but he can draw 
targets consistently, 

1743
01:28:03,160 --> 01:28:05,760
intermediate area, short area 
and add after the catch. 

1744
01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:08,440
There's a lot. 
There's actually a pretty high 

1745
01:28:08,440 --> 01:28:11,160
ceiling with a player like that,
like if, if you can just 

1746
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:15,080
consistently draw targets and 
you don't just fall down after 

1747
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:18,000
and if you're in a good offense,
if you have a good quarterback 

1748
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:22,680
like that ceiling, like I, I 
don't need a guy to, I'm not, 

1749
01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:25,120
who cares what the safeties are 
doing when I, you know, when I'm

1750
01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:27,840
playing fantasy, I don't need to
like stretch the field. 

1751
01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:30,960
I, I just need a guy to catch a 
bunch of balls and then produce 

1752
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:32,440
a bunch of yards on those 
catches. 

1753
01:28:32,440 --> 01:28:35,000
And I, I think Ibuka has a 
ceiling. 

1754
01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:37,960
That's, that's, that's where I 
landed after kind of digging 

1755
01:28:37,960 --> 01:28:40,880
into it. 
I think he has a higher ceiling.

1756
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:43,320
Than golden. 
I'll put, I'll, I'll put it on 

1757
01:28:43,320 --> 01:28:44,600
that. 
I think it's a higher ceiling 

1758
01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:47,880
than Matthew Golden. 
I think at the I know I dropped 

1759
01:28:47,880 --> 01:28:51,080
out and yeah. 
Goes for. 

1760
01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:54,280
Jacob sorry, I was going to say 
I know I I dropped out for a 

1761
01:28:54,280 --> 01:28:59,520
second, but did the was the 
point made about golden 72 

1762
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:03,520
percent 10 yards or less? 
Like are we sure? 

1763
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:05,920
First of all, Davis, he's a 
perfect bill because they don't 

1764
01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:08,080
throw the ball, you know, past 
the line of scrimmage. 

1765
01:29:08,320 --> 01:29:12,400
But also like, who's throwing 
the ball deep in the NFL? 

1766
01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:15,160
Like are we going to see? 
I hope we get back. 

1767
01:29:15,160 --> 01:29:17,760
I mean, that's, that's, that's 
so funny because that's kind of 

1768
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:20,400
the, the understated element of 
all of this is like, so much of 

1769
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:26,240
this is like, well, are we going
back to the dark ages of like, 

1770
01:29:26,520 --> 01:29:33,960
can we get some fun deep throws?
Like, because Golden is a little

1771
01:29:33,960 --> 01:29:37,840
bit less valuable if he is just 
going to be asked to be this 

1772
01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:44,280
like ground bound like Fancy 1 
Dale Robinson or whatever you 

1773
01:29:44,280 --> 01:29:47,080
know well. 
I mean, that's just The thing is

1774
01:29:47,080 --> 01:29:50,040
like what a what an NFL ceiling 
is and what a fantasy ceiling is

1775
01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:52,520
is very different. 
Like I think when in NFL circles

1776
01:29:52,520 --> 01:29:56,000
they talk about Ibuka as a lower
ceiling player because what he 

1777
01:29:56,000 --> 01:30:00,640
does is not quite as valuable to
an NFL team. 

1778
01:30:00,640 --> 01:30:04,440
Like it's easier to find those 
completions from inferior 

1779
01:30:04,440 --> 01:30:08,600
players. 
But you know, for our purposes, 

1780
01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:11,320
whatever team he's on, he's 
going to be the one that's doing

1781
01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:13,400
it because he's doing things 
that maybe don't have a super 

1782
01:30:13,400 --> 01:30:15,600
high degree of difficulty in an 
NFL offense. 

1783
01:30:15,880 --> 01:30:17,840
But the points count all the 
same. 

1784
01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:21,040
Golden is is running routes down
the field that I think probably 

1785
01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:23,120
do have a higher degree of 
difficulty that's more scarce, 

1786
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:25,040
that costs more to acquire in 
free agency. 

1787
01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:27,680
That makes him maybe a higher 
stealing debt in the NFL, but 

1788
01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:29,520
it's not fantasy. 
So I think when you translate 

1789
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:31,800
these two things, things get 
things get lost. 

1790
01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:34,480
So I have a I'll have a tier 
break between them. 

1791
01:30:34,480 --> 01:30:38,240
I have a Buka tier head and then
I have Golden in A in a tier 

1792
01:30:38,240 --> 01:30:40,120
with burden and I've been very 
back and forth. 

1793
01:30:40,120 --> 01:30:42,440
I think I'm going to have burden
at four and Golden at 5:00, but 

1794
01:30:42,440 --> 01:30:45,080
I'm like 7030 on that to be 
honest. 

1795
01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:49,240
Golden, I haven't finished 
Burden's write up, but he scared

1796
01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:51,960
me the whole time and and I 
think he's the least likely to 

1797
01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:54,040
go first round of all the 
certainly less likely than 

1798
01:30:54,040 --> 01:30:55,600
Golden. 
But I think Ibuka has has a 

1799
01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:57,000
better chance to go first round 
too. 

1800
01:30:57,000 --> 01:31:01,680
And the the NFL cooling on 
burden definitely worries me. 

1801
01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:04,200
Like, I mean, he was supposed to
like we were supposed to be 

1802
01:31:04,200 --> 01:31:07,360
talking about like who are the 
Cowboys taking a 12 Tet or 

1803
01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:08,960
burden? 
You know, that's what you were 

1804
01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:10,840
in Debbie drafted and you had 
the one O 1. 

1805
01:31:10,840 --> 01:31:14,280
It was like, do you take you 
know, do you take burden? 

1806
01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:17,440
Well, the big three was Jeremiah
Smith and then burden and Tet 

1807
01:31:17,440 --> 01:31:19,520
like those were the guys you're 
taking at the very top. 

1808
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:22,880
So it's it's a big fall. 
No one has burden in their first

1809
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:25,240
round of those mock drafts. 
Hopefully. 

1810
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:27,120
I'm hoping some team. 
But a lot of that's off field 

1811
01:31:27,120 --> 01:31:29,360
stuff, right? 
Which matters to us too, 'cause.

1812
01:31:29,360 --> 01:31:31,760
Like, which actually doesn't 
make that much sense to me, 

1813
01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:35,160
'cause like burden was like the 
hometown kid from Saint Louis 

1814
01:31:35,160 --> 01:31:37,600
and he stayed at Missouri, even 
though he could have gotten big 

1815
01:31:37,640 --> 01:31:43,320
NIL money to go to Alabama or 
Texas or Notre Dame or wherever.

1816
01:31:43,400 --> 01:31:45,640
And he was like, no, like, I 
want to stay with the guy who 

1817
01:31:45,640 --> 01:31:49,400
recruited me and stuff. 
I, I don't know, I, I obviously 

1818
01:31:49,400 --> 01:31:54,280
am the the burden apologist of, 
of the ship chasing cinematic 

1819
01:31:54,280 --> 01:31:56,520
universe and I'm, I'm happy to 
wear that badge. 

1820
01:31:59,440 --> 01:32:01,400
I, well, I'd be happy. 
I'd be happy if the Chiefs took 

1821
01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:06,040
burden if the Chiefs if the if 
the Chiefs took burden, smash. 

1822
01:32:06,360 --> 01:32:10,240
Look out. 
This is burying the lead. 

1823
01:32:10,280 --> 01:32:14,480
An hour and 32 minutes in Tyree.
Kill Jacob. 

1824
01:32:14,480 --> 01:32:15,760
I mean, what did you, what did 
you know? 

1825
01:32:17,240 --> 01:32:20,320
You know, I've as a, as an 
officer of the court, I have 

1826
01:32:20,320 --> 01:32:24,040
great relationships with law 
enforcement all across Turtle 

1827
01:32:24,040 --> 01:32:25,760
Island. 
And, you know, sometimes I just 

1828
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:29,840
get certain pieces of Intel that
I can't share exactly how I got 

1829
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:33,200
them, but it'll allow me to make
prescient predictions on on ship

1830
01:32:33,200 --> 01:32:37,920
chasing broadcasts. 
Are we seeing if you guys know, 

1831
01:32:38,200 --> 01:32:41,640
is he falling? 
You would think so. 

1832
01:32:42,040 --> 01:32:44,520
He, he is. 
No, no, that last year. 

1833
01:32:44,520 --> 01:32:45,760
What? 
No, he's not falling price. 

1834
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:47,920
I don't get. 
It at least look the drafts that

1835
01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:52,240
I've done since he's gone much 
higher, he's gone like it's I 

1836
01:32:52,600 --> 01:32:54,800
don't know why Maybe I'm just in
a weird draft with that. 

1837
01:32:54,800 --> 01:32:59,400
Like I've seen, I've seen him go
like 2O2, like I'm telling you, 

1838
01:32:59,400 --> 01:33:00,960
like 2O2 multiple. 
Drafts. 

1839
01:33:01,080 --> 01:33:05,160
I have a theory about this. 
My theory is that he has so many

1840
01:33:05,160 --> 01:33:08,240
different allegations over his 
career that people didn't 

1841
01:33:08,240 --> 01:33:10,600
realize that the second piece of
news, which was like that this 

1842
01:33:10,600 --> 01:33:13,520
isn't a problem, was relating to
a new allegation. 

1843
01:33:13,920 --> 01:33:16,880
So they think that like previous
allegations were weighting down 

1844
01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:18,760
his cost and those have now been
resolved. 

1845
01:33:18,760 --> 01:33:21,520
So people are like, oh, this is 
wheels up for time to kill. 

1846
01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:22,680
That's my theory. 
It's. 

1847
01:33:25,160 --> 01:33:27,880
A theory. 
I have not seen him fall. 

1848
01:33:27,880 --> 01:33:30,320
I think we took him Davis on 
Friday. 

1849
01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:34,720
We took him in like two O 6 or 
something, or sorry, three O 6, 

1850
01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:37,160
three O 6. 
Yeah, we got him in this in the 

1851
01:33:37,360 --> 01:33:39,480
third round. 
Third round. 

1852
01:33:41,720 --> 01:33:44,480
Come on, come on, you still got 
to take him. 

1853
01:33:44,800 --> 01:33:47,080
Thanks. 
I don't. 

1854
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:52,160
Even even like 15% AB risk he 
he's a pick there. 

1855
01:33:54,280 --> 01:33:57,200
Are the odds are the odds that 
he can he's on the on the 

1856
01:33:57,200 --> 01:33:59,840
Dolphins. 
Part of Jacob's thing was he 

1857
01:33:59,840 --> 01:34:03,840
might not even be on the team. 
Jacob almost always has like a 

1858
01:34:03,880 --> 01:34:07,440
super well reasoned, thoughtful 
argument, quotes Greek 

1859
01:34:07,440 --> 01:34:10,880
philosophers. 
And then we get to Tyreek at 

1860
01:34:10,960 --> 01:34:13,680
round 3 and I'm good. 
No, I don't have to take them. 

1861
01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:19,200
I just like, I don't, I don't 
like drafting wide receivers who

1862
01:34:19,200 --> 01:34:22,800
are 30 plus who look like they 
might be getting worse at a 

1863
01:34:22,800 --> 01:34:25,440
rapid pace. 
And then you add on legal 

1864
01:34:25,440 --> 01:34:28,160
problems and, and I, it is, I'm 
good. 

1865
01:34:28,240 --> 01:34:30,320
Like I, this was like the Cooper
Cup thing last year. 

1866
01:34:30,320 --> 01:34:32,680
I was like, I wasn't taking him 
at all in the third round. 

1867
01:34:32,760 --> 01:34:36,240
And then everybody was like, 
you're a total lunatic if you 

1868
01:34:36,240 --> 01:34:37,160
don't take him in the second 
round. 

1869
01:34:37,160 --> 01:34:38,880
I was like, well, I wasn't 
taking him in the third. 

1870
01:34:38,880 --> 01:34:40,160
So I guess I won't take him in 
the 2nd. 

1871
01:34:40,160 --> 01:34:43,600
And we'll, we'll see what 
happens, you know, and he got an

1872
01:34:43,600 --> 01:34:44,640
injury that was totally his 
fault. 

1873
01:34:44,640 --> 01:34:46,680
I think that was settled on ship
chasing last year so. 

1874
01:34:49,760 --> 01:34:52,440
Seems reasonable enough. 
Yeah, I need you to proceed that

1875
01:34:52,440 --> 01:34:53,520
settled law. 
Yeah, great. 

1876
01:34:53,560 --> 01:34:56,640
Sam Sherman once. 
Are the odds any different that 

1877
01:34:56,640 --> 01:34:59,080
he's on Miami today? 
Jalen Ramsey wants out. 

1878
01:35:00,640 --> 01:35:02,040
Yeah, the yeah, what's going on 
in Miami? 

1879
01:35:02,040 --> 01:35:03,400
Things are. 
Going well down there. 

1880
01:35:03,720 --> 01:35:07,320
Apparently the reporting is is 
that the the Raiders are are in 

1881
01:35:07,480 --> 01:35:11,240
on on Ramsey. 
That sounds right. 

1882
01:35:11,760 --> 01:35:14,960
OK. 
Yeah, it's a good, good bit for 

1883
01:35:14,960 --> 01:35:18,360
them. 
Well, if you missed the big news

1884
01:35:18,360 --> 01:35:22,640
earlier, Pat will be appearing 
on Swellcast today with Davis. 

1885
01:35:22,960 --> 01:35:25,720
That was that was announced 
earlier today. 

1886
01:35:25,720 --> 01:35:28,760
Yeah, that's it. 
That's in 90 minutes, Pat. 

1887
01:35:28,760 --> 01:35:30,920
I'll send you the stream. 
Yard sounds good. 

1888
01:35:31,200 --> 01:35:33,040
Get your get your offensive 
lineman. 

1889
01:35:34,960 --> 01:35:37,480
I don't even have to do any 
prep, I've been doing so many. 

1890
01:35:38,040 --> 01:35:40,440
Wow, what a compliment. 
Back drafts and stuff. 

1891
01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:42,520
What a compliment. 
I mean, it won't be best he. 

1892
01:35:42,520 --> 01:35:43,840
Doesn't even have to prepare for
it. 

1893
01:35:44,080 --> 01:35:46,200
Doesn't even need to. 
I'm just going to take a quick 

1894
01:35:46,200 --> 01:35:48,560
nap and then I'll I'll jump on 
at 90. 

1895
01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:49,480
Minutes. 
I don't think they'll be 

1896
01:35:49,480 --> 01:35:51,920
offended. 
Jacob, look for me tonight at 

1897
01:35:51,920 --> 01:35:54,360
Leafs, Sabres. 
Oh, nice. 

1898
01:35:54,440 --> 01:35:58,320
Well, the Leafs are playing to 
to clinch the Atlantic Division 

1899
01:35:58,720 --> 01:36:01,280
for I think the first time. 
Well, the first time ever the 

1900
01:36:01,280 --> 01:36:03,880
Atlantic Division, but the first
time that they'll win whatever 

1901
01:36:03,880 --> 01:36:07,640
division they reside in, I 
believe since I was like 2 years

1902
01:36:07,640 --> 01:36:10,400
old. 
So big, big night for the for 

1903
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:14,600
the Toronto Maple Leafs. 
Wish them the best, huge and 

1904
01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:16,520
hope. 
Hope you hope you enjoy, hope 

1905
01:36:16,600 --> 01:36:20,040
you enjoy the game. 
I sent Jacob pictures from my 

1906
01:36:20,280 --> 01:36:23,040
Friday in Toronto at the old 
Maple Leaf Gardens where they 

1907
01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:25,800
had the Grand Slam of Curling on
the top floor of that old wing. 

1908
01:36:26,760 --> 01:36:28,240
What a place. 
Love going there. 

1909
01:36:29,200 --> 01:36:31,000
All right. 
Anything else you guys want to 

1910
01:36:31,000 --> 01:36:34,120
mention that you have coming up?
Do we do you have to do the the 

1911
01:36:34,120 --> 01:36:34,760
game do? 
We do. 

1912
01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:36,840
Oh, last call. 
We got to do last call. 

1913
01:36:36,840 --> 01:36:40,760
I forgot about last call. 
I'm so oh, no excuses. 

1914
01:36:40,760 --> 01:36:44,240
But since I can't get on 
underdog, I've just sort of 

1915
01:36:45,400 --> 01:36:47,480
disconnected from it. 
Yeah, right. 

1916
01:36:47,480 --> 01:36:50,600
And. 
Although although you are, you 

1917
01:36:50,680 --> 01:36:52,880
are. 
You are now keeping up the time 

1918
01:36:52,880 --> 01:36:56,920
honored tradition of whoever is 
hosting ADP chasing gets rug 

1919
01:36:56,920 --> 01:37:02,240
pulled on being able to because 
Sam Sam got drafted on being 

1920
01:37:02,240 --> 01:37:06,040
able to draft in in Connecticut.
So you are. 

1921
01:37:06,800 --> 01:37:08,520
Oh, you? 
Yeah, Well, he was in Maine. 

1922
01:37:08,520 --> 01:37:10,400
I I think he rug pulled himself,
didn't he? 

1923
01:37:11,360 --> 01:37:14,680
All of New Englanders can't. 
I can't remember the direction. 

1924
01:37:14,680 --> 01:37:16,600
I can't remember if it was 
Connecticut to Maine or Maine to

1925
01:37:16,600 --> 01:37:18,160
Connecticut, but one way or the 
other, he. 

1926
01:37:18,160 --> 01:37:21,320
Was in Maine for the summer. 
He pulled his own rug. 

1927
01:37:21,720 --> 01:37:22,320
He pulled. 
He pulled. 

1928
01:37:22,320 --> 01:37:27,080
I mean, no, no offense Maine 
quote Maine. 

1929
01:37:27,240 --> 01:37:28,440
No, I know. 
This is new. 

1930
01:37:28,440 --> 01:37:30,280
York. 
This is New York. 

1931
01:37:30,960 --> 01:37:31,680
I agree. 
Yeah, I know. 

1932
01:37:31,680 --> 01:37:33,320
But I think we're going to be 
stuck all year. 

1933
01:37:33,800 --> 01:37:36,120
It sounds like there's a there's
a lawsuit. 

1934
01:37:36,120 --> 01:37:37,400
I think I'm going to be stuck 
all year. 

1935
01:37:37,400 --> 01:37:39,080
I don't know. 
Get on the Amtrak, buddy. 

1936
01:37:40,040 --> 01:37:43,200
Yeah, but I'm looking at 
properties in, well, not Maine. 

1937
01:37:43,200 --> 01:37:45,000
That's crossing that off the 
list. 

1938
01:37:45,440 --> 01:37:48,720
OK. 
Anybody ready to start last call

1939
01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:53,480
ADP 200 or higher go. 
Yeah, if I already you go first 

1940
01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:56,400
Jacob. 
All right, well, I posted my my 

1941
01:37:56,560 --> 01:38:00,240
my big running back article. 
So all my running, all my rookie

1942
01:38:00,240 --> 01:38:02,640
running back thoughts are now 
I'm thinking about thinking and 

1943
01:38:02,640 --> 01:38:05,520
one of the dudes sleeper, that's
probably gonna amount to nothing

1944
01:38:05,960 --> 01:38:10,200
but that I'm a lot higher on 
Jarquez Hunter lights up 

1945
01:38:10,200 --> 01:38:14,600
spreadsheets really high miss 
tackles, force ratings, really 

1946
01:38:14,600 --> 01:38:16,960
incredible breakaway runner. 
And then I think most important 

1947
01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:20,160
is that he plays without gloves,
which is just so cool. 

1948
01:38:20,800 --> 01:38:25,000
That's that's like a big a big 
baller sign for me personally. 

1949
01:38:25,800 --> 01:38:29,640
And so Jerkwitz Hunter probably 
going to be like a healthy 

1950
01:38:29,640 --> 01:38:31,560
scratch with the entire best 
ball playoffs. 

1951
01:38:31,560 --> 01:38:33,760
But like him. 
So I'm going to point my flag 

1952
01:38:33,760 --> 01:38:37,000
early just in case he gets 
drafted a little earlier than 

1953
01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:39,240
projected. 
All right. 

1954
01:38:40,240 --> 01:38:42,000
And that means we can't take 
him. 

1955
01:38:42,080 --> 01:38:45,360
That's he's yours. 
Have I already taken Jalen 

1956
01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:47,240
Millroe? 
Do we have the list up? 

1957
01:38:47,360 --> 01:38:49,160
No. 
Oh, that's such a good one, 

1958
01:38:49,400 --> 01:38:50,400
yeah. 
That's a good one. 

1959
01:38:50,400 --> 01:38:55,440
I don't think you have. 
Jalen Millroe if the if the the 

1960
01:38:55,480 --> 01:38:59,320
the goal of the game is points 
added to a roster weeks 1516 and

1961
01:38:59,320 --> 01:39:00,840
17 I. 
Think we're like doing like a 

1962
01:39:00,840 --> 01:39:04,160
best ball roster is is yeah, we 
are talking about yeah. 

1963
01:39:04,360 --> 01:39:04,880
Correct. 
Yeah. 

1964
01:39:04,960 --> 01:39:07,800
So give me give me Jalen 
Millroe. 

1965
01:39:07,800 --> 01:39:11,720
Also, as as Tim notes, I don't 
think we discussed the single 

1966
01:39:11,720 --> 01:39:13,880
boring player so. 
No, that's right. 

1967
01:39:13,960 --> 01:39:15,720
That's right. 
We haven't defined boring yet 

1968
01:39:15,720 --> 01:39:18,360
today. 
We will have to edit. 

1969
01:39:18,560 --> 01:39:21,520
Oh yeah, that was the title. 
In that particular sense. 

1970
01:39:21,840 --> 01:39:24,640
Good value. 
These players are so boring, 

1971
01:39:24,720 --> 01:39:26,200
we're not even going to talk 
about them. 

1972
01:39:26,880 --> 01:39:29,440
They're not even I mean. 
This is actually wrong. 

1973
01:39:29,440 --> 01:39:31,040
We talked about shooters, 
Sanders, for like an hour. 

1974
01:39:31,040 --> 01:39:32,120
Yeah. 
That's true. 

1975
01:39:32,600 --> 01:39:35,520
We talked about the Saints shut 
out. 

1976
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:38,760
Imagine a podcast doing that. 
All right, Pat. 

1977
01:39:38,880 --> 01:39:42,960
Vinnie Testaverde. 
I I didn't realize this player 

1978
01:39:42,960 --> 01:39:45,960
was was even outside the 200. 
He's been kind of floating 

1979
01:39:45,960 --> 01:39:48,040
around there, I guess. 
But I I will go ahead and take 

1980
01:39:48,040 --> 01:39:51,160
Damian Martinez, rookie running 
back out of Miami. 

1981
01:39:52,040 --> 01:39:53,600
Is he? 
Is he after? 

1982
01:39:53,680 --> 01:39:57,640
He's outside the top 2. 100 I've
got I've got him at 205.7 right 

1983
01:39:57,680 --> 01:40:00,440
here on my sheet. 
Wrong 178.9. 

1984
01:40:01,400 --> 01:40:03,600
That's what I have too. 
Oh, I'm on DraftKings. 

1985
01:40:04,040 --> 01:40:06,720
I'm on DraftKings. 
The classic mistake. 

1986
01:40:07,440 --> 01:40:09,160
Classic mistake. 
You'll have to circle back. 

1987
01:40:09,160 --> 01:40:12,520
I'll go. 
I'll go because we're building 

1988
01:40:12,520 --> 01:40:16,480
teams and I'm going to get 
frozen out at quarterback and I 

1989
01:40:16,480 --> 01:40:19,240
kind of a couple weeks ago said 
I've made a case for why I'm 

1990
01:40:19,240 --> 01:40:22,960
drafting this player. 
So it's it's definitely kind of 

1991
01:40:22,960 --> 01:40:24,760
raunchy, but I'll just take 
Russell Wilson. 

1992
01:40:25,480 --> 01:40:27,320
I I do think like a pretty I 
don't. 

1993
01:40:28,040 --> 01:40:29,760
Know if I'd describe it as 
raunchy? 

1994
01:40:30,280 --> 01:40:32,440
All right, I'll let something. 
Go you called Sierra. 

1995
01:40:32,880 --> 01:40:35,920
I, I know, I know what you're, I
know what you're going for. 

1996
01:40:35,960 --> 01:40:40,000
I'd go like, I'd go scrappy. 
I think probably versus but I I 

1997
01:40:40,120 --> 01:40:43,760
get the general sense of what. 
You were gross, is what I was 

1998
01:40:43,760 --> 01:40:44,800
going for. 
It's gross. 

1999
01:40:44,880 --> 01:40:46,640
I see but. 
Rancid. 

2000
01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:50,120
Perhaps rancid that. 
That's all right, Rancid. 

2001
01:40:50,600 --> 01:40:53,840
You guys can you know figure 
that out, but for like 

2002
01:40:54,280 --> 01:40:56,320
quarterbacks are going. 
Maybe kind of split the 

2003
01:40:56,320 --> 01:40:57,560
difference between? 
Rancid. 

2004
01:40:57,680 --> 01:41:02,120
Spicy. 
I think the likeliest season for

2005
01:41:02,120 --> 01:41:07,000
the Giants is they win like 7 
games and he stays on the field 

2006
01:41:07,120 --> 01:41:09,040
and so I'm not going to have a 
quarterback. 

2007
01:41:09,040 --> 01:41:11,600
You guys are taking them all. 
Dart went in this thing, Rogers 

2008
01:41:11,600 --> 01:41:14,440
went, Milro went today. 
So I need somebody. 

2009
01:41:15,320 --> 01:41:18,760
Is Frederick C Kitchens the 4th 
still on staff there? 

2010
01:41:20,240 --> 01:41:23,280
I don't think so. 
Are we back to passing game 

2011
01:41:23,280 --> 01:41:25,520
coordinator? 
He was, he was old regime. 

2012
01:41:26,760 --> 01:41:29,240
Gold regime, all right. 
Wow, he actually has the 

2013
01:41:29,280 --> 01:41:32,880
funniest possible job. 
No, just looked at, no person 

2014
01:41:32,880 --> 01:41:35,920
going to say the same thing. 
Karain Karain What would be the 

2015
01:41:35,920 --> 01:41:38,640
funniest? 
The single funniest job pretty 

2016
01:41:38,640 --> 01:41:41,640
kitchens could possibly have. 
There's nothing funnier than 

2017
01:41:41,640 --> 01:41:42,920
this. 
It's so good. 

2018
01:41:43,800 --> 01:41:45,680
He is a I'll, I'll, I'll give 
you a hint. 

2019
01:41:45,680 --> 01:41:47,400
It's, it's a college football 
job. 

2020
01:41:47,600 --> 01:41:49,240
It's not a professional football
job. 

2021
01:41:49,400 --> 01:41:52,400
He's not a head coach. 
The single funniest college 

2022
01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:55,040
football job he could have. 
Can I ask one question? 

2023
01:41:55,440 --> 01:41:58,280
Yes, about this. 
Is it a better gig than Max 

2024
01:41:58,280 --> 01:42:01,160
Crosby's? 
Yes. 

2025
01:42:01,240 --> 01:42:04,840
Yes. 
He's a head coach. 

2026
01:42:04,840 --> 01:42:07,240
Freddie Kitchen is a head. 
No, no, he's not a headnater. 

2027
01:42:07,480 --> 01:42:10,080
He's a coordinator. 
No, looking at the comments. 

2028
01:42:14,080 --> 01:42:17,480
I don't know. 
He he is the offensive 

2029
01:42:17,480 --> 01:42:20,200
coordinator for the University 
of North Carolina under Bill 

2030
01:42:20,200 --> 01:42:31,400
Bella. 
I mean that you you literally 

2031
01:42:31,600 --> 01:42:35,160
cannot find something funnier. 
Joe Judge wasn't available for 

2032
01:42:35,160 --> 01:42:35,600
that one. 
He. 

2033
01:42:35,880 --> 01:42:38,720
Was not available. 
Apparently. 

2034
01:42:39,320 --> 01:42:43,960
That is good. 
Apparently he was on Mac Brown's

2035
01:42:43,960 --> 01:42:47,680
staff already at North Carolina.
And then Belichick took the job 

2036
01:42:47,680 --> 01:42:49,760
and was like, we got a diamond 
in the rough. 

2037
01:42:49,760 --> 01:42:51,920
I'm promoting him, the offensive
coordinator. 

2038
01:42:54,400 --> 01:42:57,880
Yeah, young talent, young 
talent, young talent. 

2039
01:42:58,600 --> 01:43:01,280
He was the interim head coach 
for the Tar Heels in the Fenway 

2040
01:43:01,280 --> 01:43:04,080
Bowl last year. 
The Fenway. 

2041
01:43:04,440 --> 01:43:06,040
Wow. 
The Fenway Bowl is what? 

2042
01:43:06,040 --> 01:43:08,080
That was a game. 
That was a bowl game, yeah. 

2043
01:43:08,160 --> 01:43:10,480
It, well, it used to be a bowl. 
Game that takes place at Fenway 

2044
01:43:10,480 --> 01:43:12,400
Park. 
Because they do the Pinstripe 

2045
01:43:12,400 --> 01:43:13,960
Bowl. 
So the Red Sox are like, come 

2046
01:43:13,960 --> 01:43:14,480
on, man. 
We. 

2047
01:43:15,000 --> 01:43:16,920
Oh, sure. 
We need our own. 

2048
01:43:17,400 --> 01:43:18,000
Sure. 
Yeah, North. 

2049
01:43:18,880 --> 01:43:22,360
Carolina lost by 13 to the 
University of Connecticut. 

2050
01:43:23,760 --> 01:43:25,000
Tough, tough. 
So 3. 

2051
01:43:25,400 --> 01:43:27,840
Basketball schools playing 
football in a baseball park. 

2052
01:43:28,160 --> 01:43:32,360
Tough scenes, yes, yes, that's. 
Right, I've got, I've got my 

2053
01:43:32,360 --> 01:43:34,720
spreadsheets here. 
One's for DraftKings, 1's for 

2054
01:43:34,720 --> 01:43:37,480
Underdog. 
I was on the wrong 1 and that's 

2055
01:43:37,480 --> 01:43:38,880
why. 
We know, we know. 

2056
01:43:38,880 --> 01:43:41,240
Yeah. 
So now being on the right one is

2057
01:43:41,240 --> 01:43:45,080
just bumming me out because 
Underdog has done a much better 

2058
01:43:45,080 --> 01:43:49,480
job of pricing these guys up. 
Plus, Russell's gone. 

2059
01:43:50,880 --> 01:43:52,880
Yeah, plus Russell Wilson's 
gone, so what's the point? 

2060
01:43:53,800 --> 01:43:56,200
Plus, I've already grabbed 
Harold Fan and I think I already

2061
01:43:56,200 --> 01:43:57,440
took Will Shipley, so I'm going 
to. 

2062
01:43:57,760 --> 01:44:00,800
I'm going to take another rookie
running back, but one that's 

2063
01:44:00,800 --> 01:44:05,400
much less likely to have an 
impact than Martinez. 

2064
01:44:05,400 --> 01:44:09,480
But I'll take Jordan James, 
Yeah, who I do think is still 

2065
01:44:09,480 --> 01:44:12,600
live for pretty solid. 
I wanna say I already took him, 

2066
01:44:12,600 --> 01:44:14,800
which is fine I think in the 
rules of this game. 

2067
01:44:15,000 --> 01:44:15,760
Did you? 
Think it's. 

2068
01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:16,360
Over. 
No, we can't. 

2069
01:44:16,480 --> 01:44:17,240
We can't. 
Double dip. 

2070
01:44:17,240 --> 01:44:21,240
Not OK. 
I think I took him. 

2071
01:44:22,280 --> 01:44:24,720
Obviously we we need Zach to 
have the list up so. 

2072
01:44:24,720 --> 01:44:27,200
I'll take Trevor Etn if if. 
James, do, I was going to say do

2073
01:44:27,200 --> 01:44:28,680
a contingent pick if he does, 
OK. 

2074
01:44:29,280 --> 01:44:32,400
I know, but he's both both guys 
are bets on draft capital. 

2075
01:44:32,400 --> 01:44:35,880
So ETN is the probably the 
better bet on draft capital. 

2076
01:44:35,960 --> 01:44:37,720
I actually like James's profile 
a little bit. 

2077
01:44:37,720 --> 01:44:40,480
He he's like that Abuka thing 
where it's like, hey, he's 

2078
01:44:40,480 --> 01:44:43,080
totally sucks at this thing. 
Breakaway runs in this case, but

2079
01:44:43,400 --> 01:44:44,440
he's really good at this other 
thing. 

2080
01:44:44,960 --> 01:44:47,840
So in that case, he's like a 
really consistent back in that 

2081
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:49,640
all the tape evaluators tend to 
agree with that. 

2082
01:44:49,640 --> 01:44:54,120
So I'll take James if available.
If not, I'll take ETN who I 

2083
01:44:54,120 --> 01:44:55,560
think probably goes third or 
fourth round. 

2084
01:44:56,120 --> 01:44:59,840
If James is available you get 
first crack at ETN next week if 

2085
01:44:59,840 --> 01:45:01,880
you want him to since you 
mentioned his name otherwise. 

2086
01:45:01,880 --> 01:45:02,680
I don't. 
I'm just. 

2087
01:45:02,720 --> 01:45:04,080
I'll be. 
Praying on that information. 

2088
01:45:04,640 --> 01:45:06,760
On my me. 
Yeah. 

2089
01:45:07,920 --> 01:45:10,640
I don't really like him that 
much, but before the draft I 

2090
01:45:10,640 --> 01:45:13,520
feel like it makes sense to bet 
on draft that Capitality still 

2091
01:45:13,520 --> 01:45:18,400
have that out. 
Thank you everybody for watching

2092
01:45:18,400 --> 01:45:20,760
and listening ship chasing on 
Thursday. 

2093
01:45:21,120 --> 01:45:24,760
The draft is next Thursday. 
We'll be back Tuesday next week 

2094
01:45:25,560 --> 01:45:29,760
to, you know, last, last call 
for our takes on what will 

2095
01:45:29,760 --> 01:45:34,040
happen in the real draft next 
week for Jacob Davis and Pat I'm

2096
01:45:34,040 --> 01:45:35,880
Mike. 
Thanks for being a part of ADP 

2097
01:45:35,880 --> 01:45:37,320
chasing today. 
See you next time.