Good evening, ship chasers and what now has become an annual
event. We are doing our Dynasty
Superflex tight in premium rookie mock draft before the NFL
draft takes place and to help us do so, we're bringing back Ron
Stewart, bringing back Blair Andrews.
There's no JJ this year. But guess who is replacing JJ?
You guys the chat. Yes, that's right.
You guys are going to get the draft slots here in this mock
draft. We will put up some polls for
you guys so you can try to come to some kind of consensus for
these picks. It's going to be a fun time here
on ship chasing. Let's get to it.
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Play chase. You can't handle the heat.
It looks like we're. Finally, at this point, you're
right. All right.
Good evening, Good evening. Ron and Blair, welcome to ship
chasing both of you guys fighting against the elements.
I mean, Blair has, you know, a a house that's sick, sick kids and
Ron would rather be watching March Madness.
So you guys are both dealing with different things tonight.
How's it going? It's.
Going great, Hopefully can can keep from getting infected, but
that's almost a 0% chance of happening, so this will be the
last time you guys see me. If you.
If you go out how you did last year with a Jamir Gibbs
selection at 1/3, which at the time seemed very, very spicy,
you're you're in good shape here, Ron.
How are you doing? I'm doing good, kind of coming
in here with my tail between my legs.
The last time we did this, I gave Pete the Quinton Johnston
pick. I took Bryce Hung over CJ Stroud
and I think I took Garnell Washington over Sam Laporta.
So we went over 3 Pretty. Awful.
Pretty terrible showing here and I, you know, you you I'm a guest
to you know bring some dynasty love here and man.
I took Tank Bigsby over a Chan which is a chain on the on the
board 'cause he was still a chain at that point.
We'll just say how does Tank go? There are there are some really
funny pairings for those who we did a we we did a two round
twelve person draft so there were six of us.
So we each had two slots in the draft which meant we had four
total picks. And like some of the pairings
are hilarious. Like JJ obviously crushes like
Dijon and then Mr. relevant in this draft Jane Reed and then he
has Jordan Addison. But paired with Hedden, Hooker
and I was like even existed. I had a pretty nice one here,
Anthony Richardson and Sam. That's nice, Florida.
I had a nice one. CJ Stroud and A Chan, Yeah.
That that's very nice. Blair, Jalen Hyatt and Marvin
Mims. Gretch on the turn.
Josh Downs and Zay Flowers Yeah, yeah, my QJ pick.
What a bust. Pat the Will Levis and is is he
a band of what? That, That one was rough there.
Hey, well, I'm millionaire. Pinkcheck.
Levis has kind of worked out. I mean, you would rather have
Addison, you know, but I think you would rather have him than
Austin Charbonnay Hyatt. I love these notes.
The piss boys are dead. Multi millionaire heat check
that was been controlled. It's.
Clear that a lot of these teams were drafting for 2024 and
beyond. Yeah.
So before we get to the festivities in randomizing our
draft order, Pat, I know you have a a little announcement
you'd like to to share here before we get rolling.
I do, yeah. Britney is pregnant and we're
going to be having a baby girl here, and it's happening a
little sooner than I thought. She's actually getting induced
on April 9th, which is in about 10 days.
So yeah, this is not an announcement of something in the
future. Long, long way.
In about two weeks, I'll be a dead.
Exciting stuff, man. Grant, thanks guys.
Joining the you know Gretch blaze the trail with the ship
Chasing Dad Life. I followed behind last year, and
now you will. We're all girl dad.
It's been girl dad. Yeah, not about it.
It's. 4/4 girls. Yeah.
And Ron, you said you had a really big announcement too,
right? Yeah, I'll be betting the over
in Bama, North Carolina tonight. He's.
Literally a child like that. Yeah, Pat is actually just
announcing that he is going to be your surrogate father.
That's. That's what the.
The announcement is all right, we are.
Let's get to some randomization here.
Gretch reminded me that what we did last year to kind of make
sure no one oops gets really stuck with just a bunch of back
end picks. Since we're all getting two
slots is we're going to randomize first for picks one
through 6 and those pairing. So that would be like one and
24, two and 23 etcetera. And then we will do seven
through 12. So, Blair, how many times should
I should I randomize here? 3.
OK, 10, go back two and three. Ben Influencer, 101, Pat 10.
Two, Pete. 3 Blair 1/5 in the chat 6 All right, let me get
these in here And also I have AI Have a big announcement for
overzet.com which is the host for these mock drafts.
The devs have been hard at work on AUI refresh and we are
flipping the board on its head. In 2024 we are going portrait.
We are going portrait. We've been reviewing, doing some
focus groups. People said the scroll off the
screen with the landscape was not ideal.
The devs Got it done. Portrait mode tonight on
overset. Crowd goes fucking wild.
How about that for an announcement, Pat?
I'm fucking sucked about it. Yeah, you're Thank you.
And we also had some people in the chat congratulating Ron, and
I really appreciate that. That's nice.
Yeah. Exactly.
So chat you guys this. The toughest thing is for you
guys. You all have to get on the same
page. I will help you out with some
polls. You guys need to start huddling
right now what you're doing with the 1-6 in this draft and as I
get do the 2nd randomization. Blair, do you want to tell
people kind of the full the rules we're we're operating with
here as far as what scoring settings?
Oh yes, the rules. Of course.
Superflex tight end premium. You don't have to start any
running backs if you don't want. I think I made that one up, but
otherwise your typical your typical FFPC dynasty league.
And I think that is the thing. There is no positional
requirements for this. We are just trying to draft the
best player on the board. OK.
All right. We are going to spin now for
this second one. Fortunately, it means none of us
are going to take running backs. Which 44 tags?
Which is great exactly. Ron, how many times do you want
me to randomize this back half of the draft give.
Me give me 4. OK, 1234 Ron, you dirty dog.
How did I Ron the chat? Pete, Ben, Blair and Pat here.
The chat gets the near back-to-back that Pat had last
year, the 106108. Yeah, it's like the the double
Pete. It's not bad, Chad.
It was a good spot. Yeah, Ben Blair and Pat and then
we will run that back. Pat Blair, you're.
Going. Backwards.
How is the How is the chat going to vote?
Pat's. Oh, thank you.
Thank you, thank you, Pat. Blair, Ben, Pete.
What did you say, Pat? Wait, why am I 13?
We did it as a snake. Last time, OK, I was saying how
is the chat going to decide on their picks?
They they will just shout in the comment section.
I don't. So my hope is that they will be
in the ballpark of a couple names and then what names I'm
hearing I'll put as an official poll in the chat and then they
can vote and the actual votes will determine it.
OK, OK. The disaster would be as if
there's like 19 different suggestions.
You know, like they need to come up with a consensus 4 to. 5
minutes chat is already super heated.
There's a bunch of different arguments.
Charles Cook coming at me saying worry about that yourself, Pat.
I mean, the chat is hard. I'm just gonna help.
You guys out. What is table Talk We're
drafting against you, Pat? Yeah, My goodness.
My goodness. OK, Ben, you do have the 101.
The honors are to you to kick. Yeah, this is this is a lot
better than the free agent draft recently when I had to make a
decision, although a little easier to make the 1:02 and 1:03
in this one. But the 101 is nice to have.
It's simple. I will take Caleb Williams going
into an an all time fantastic 101 spot.
He's got Keenan Allen. DJ Moore.
Yeah, Kolka Met who look pretty sweet.
There's a lot of talk that they might add a rookie receiver like
a Roma Doonsay at the end of the the top ten with their second
top ten pick. Yeah, also pink phone and paints
his fingernails. But I'm we're going to play
through it. OK, yeah, that is the note we're
we're giving here. What about the fingernails, bro?
Caleb Williams? Does anyone, Blair.
Ron, would any of you have gone in a different direction than
Caleb? Or is this the the obvious
chalk? This is the pick the correct
one. I think this is the correct
pick. I always like to make a case for
the top wide receiver at one O 1, and I still think that you
could make a case for for Harrison at one O 1, but.
It's harder, I think the. Case you make is trading down.
I think trading down is probably way more like, I don't know.
I want to say it's like the move, but it's definitely more
in play than people might think because of how strong the what
the two. I think the two wide receivers
behind Caleb Williams are and I also really like Drake May.
So if you you're gonna want something on top, but trading
down is definitely in play. Oh, you're just gonna pick the
1:02 to the 104 for everyone? I don't.
I'm just saying that's what I like.
That's. What I like, yeah, Caleb
Williams, it it does seem like he is going to be the consensus
101. It is interesting just because I
don't know it. It seems like it's been a long
time since we've had two dominant wide receiver prospects
at the top. Like, I I don't think anyone
would be crazy if you took, say, Harrison and Neighbors both go
top five in the NFL Draft. Like I I wouldn't think anyone
was crazy for taking them 101 in one of these.
I wouldn't even. I mean, I considered it like I
have Harrison ranked 102. I made little rankings for this
and I wrote him as 102. Like I I think he's I'm over
May. I mean I think you can consider
it but Caleb Williams, the the kicker for me is just that the
Bears are in such a good spot to add a quarterback right.
And he seems like an absolute lock to go 101.
Kenan Allen is gonna be his best friend.
DJ Moore is gonna be his other best friend.
I mean it's it's really nice. It's a good.
Waldron is like a solid OC. Like, there's not like.
It's not like gets. He's still there.
Like there's no real red flags at all.
It's all kind of it's all good. It's not something I pay
attention to, but do we know a lot about the kind of quality of
the offensive line in Chicago? Is that a concern for any
rookies coming in there? It's been getting better, right?
Like that's it was really bad when Fields came in, but the
idea is that they've been working on it for a couple of
years as far as I understand. Right.
Yeah, I'm. Gonna.
Let's see PF FS Final rankings. We had them at 19, but that was
before free agency, so I don't really know where they sit.
ESPN analytics got them at 5th for pass block win rate.
Was pretty. Good they.
Invested in Darnell Wright last year.
Could maybe take an offensive lineman at 9:00, but I would
kind of doubt it. But it seems about average.
Get the fuck out of here that that we want.
And every time you call clock I take 10 seconds off of your
pole. Do you guys buy 'cause I still
will see mock drafts where they have the Bears taking a wide
receiver in the top ten. I mean, like, I've seen like
Rome. Yeah, no, he gets mocked there a
lot. Yeah, I think.
Bad for Rome and just incredible for Caleb.
But I think that the, you know, it's hard to figure out the
trades, right? But one one really obvious spot
is that the Falcons move down a couple spots.
They've been linked to a lot of edge cornerbacks that you know
you can move down a couple spots and get an edge or a cornerback
pretty easily. So if you know like all the
mocks of the Bears in Odoonse, I wouldn't be surprised if someone
comes up and and gets Odoonse ahead of the Bears, yeah.
All right, Pat, you're on the clock with the 102.
Hard to top announcing a baby, but what are you gonna have at
the podium for us this time? I'm gonna go with the the son of
a former NFL great, Marvin Harrison.
Not overthinking this one. I think you could make a case
for I think you could make a legitimate case for neighbors.
But it's more of like you're kind of giving up the the safety
of Harrison who's such a good prospect in his own right.
And I just, I think the better prospects.
But it's very close. And then I think there's just
like David's talking about like guys becomes Harrison the kill
meme. Harrison is a meme.
There's no like, market panic on Harrison.
It's just everyone's going to be in for forever.
Unless he's like somehow not good, which I don't think is
possible really. So he's he's, I don't know.
I just kind of a not overthink it pick.
Yeah. Really good opportunity to say
Frank Gore junior there. Yeah, it it is interesting just
how I mean by his intention, you know, has been out of the
limelight, but they're like he does not get talked about.
I mean Malik Neighbors has been all the rage, rightfully So what
he did at his pro day. But it's like Marvin Harris and
Junior, like there's there's no buzz on him because he's not
doing anything other. Than it worked.
Out last year. Yeah, I I did some some research
on like target sprout run stuff for rookies the last couple days
and wrote up some stuff for the top receivers.
I kind of expected Marvin Harrison's numbers to not be
great because Ohio State always has other good receivers.
And you know, I just kind of thought maybe he was more of
like a film bro. Like all that.
His numbers are fucking outstanding both of his last two
seasons. His his freshman season he was
behind three future first round picks.
So you obviously he understand that he didn't do a lot
immediately stepped into numbers in his second year that were, I
mean not much worse in terms of in terms of volume earning it
was a slightly better. It was like the same target spot
run at a little bit of a higher a dot.
The Neighbors breakout year his third year and the big
difference is Neighbors like first two years are good, very
good but not in that realm. And then his third year was
amazing and Harrison did it both seasons when he wasn't behind
three future first rounders he was elite very very like way up
here and then took it to another level last year.
I mean at Neighbors was really efficient in that one year but
the two seasons versus the one season I kind of think it's
crazy that people Neighbors is a good prospect but the fact that
people are like it's it's too much it's you you you it's a
little too extra to be like Neighbors as the wide receiver
won. I don't think you can make that
case. I think it's silly.
I don't think it's silly. Like Neighbors is such a high
ceiling prospect. You know, he's got, he's super
athletic. He's kind of seen as more like,
I know some NFL teams, well, some NFL teams have been
reported to have him wide receiver one.
So you know, I think what are you looking for?
Are you looking to take the biggest possible swing?
A Neighbors probably has a slightly, slightly higher
ceiling, 'cause he's more, I think he's more raw athleticism,
Yards after catch kind of blazing, just the blazing
athleticism. I mean the fact that Harrison
immediately stepped into just massive target earning with
efficiency like consistency down to down is how you play wide
receiver at the NFL. He's he looks like I I saw
somebody compare him to like Larry Fitzgerald type of a
prospect. Like he looks like a guy's going
to step in and be a Pro Bowl player every year of his career
for like 15 years. Just earn a ton of volume.
And be through a pro if, yeah, I agree with you.
So that's a really high ceiling, you know?
Yeah. No, it's like you're not the.
What's the point? The ceiling's plenty high
enough. Just take.
Marvin Harris, yeah. I like what Matt Harmon said the
other day too, where Harrison Junior had 47% over the last
two, two years, explosive plays to Neighbors 40% and it's almost
kind of a psychological thing that he gets yak and missed
tackles, fours. But Marvin Harrison Junior
creates the same amount of big plays.
Yeah, yeah. No, he that's that's
interesting. The the other thing too, if
you're thinking about I know this is a dynasty draft, but if
you're thinking about like year like one to two year value like
it seems very very unlikely that Marvin Harrison slips past both
the Cardinals and the Chargers, which are above average going.
Back. Spot.
Whereas it is a very high likelihood that you know, the
giants, you know, end up with neighbors, like that's probably
the smart money for his landing spot.
And those are two very different outcomes as far as what it means
for your early year production? For sure.
I think the big thing for me, if you're going to make a case for
Neighbors over over Harrison is that Neighbors is almost a whole
year younger than him, which is not insignificant, but but I
mean, I don't. I still have Harrison above
Neighbors, I think. It's weird like I I mean I I get
it. I was I was being a little
dramatic about it but I do think there's a little bit of like I
I've been pretty pro at Dunesay too and then digging these
numbers it's like a Dunesay's definitely three I like to think
in in terms of tears and I don't think there's a tear at.
I don't think there's really any way you can do it other than say
Harrison one neighbors 2A, Dunesay 3 and then there's a gap
after a dunesay as well. Like it's it's just very ordinal
at the top of the wide receiver rings to me this year.
I agree. I I think Neighbors is in
Harrison's tier in the sense that they're both extremely rare
prospects. Like they check basically every
box and now we're arguing about you know kind of the more stuff
in the in the micro about who's gonna who's gonna be better in
the NFL, what's you know the style of the games and stuff.
And I agree that Harrison should be the clear one.
But in a way that's sort of like I don't think there's like a
tear break. It's just that Harrison's the
better bet, you know. But God, I mean Neighbors is a
rare prospect. Like I I don't think it's
actually like I'm like dude, I need, I think I need to raise
him in my dynasty ranks like he is.
He does strike me as a dude like we in a year and a half or
whatever. Like we could be thinking about,
you know, Jefferson Chase Slam. Neighbors, Harrison is like the
clear top five. Like he, I think he could be
very, very much a part of that group.
Well, that seems like a good spot.
Well, I I was gonna do this regardless.
I do agree with Gretch, I think. I think Harrison is still just a
slight notch above, but to me Neighbors is such a smash
prospect and I just do not have the same level of conviction
with Drake May and Jane Daniels. I think there's a lot of fun
outcomes for them and I think I I am a little colored by best
ball brain where I'm fully sold on what they can do for me.
But I just don't feel like I have to take the risk of them on
here at 13. And I think the opportunity cost
could just be absolutely massive if Malik Neighbors is that top
five dynasty asset that you're talking about.
Yeah, it's. I mean, it's tricky because in
Superflex QBs have so much value, but that's how I ranked
it too. In my in my ranks.
I was alluding to I I think these two receivers are just
freaking amazing. I think he said that really
well, 'cause they feel like lower risk bets.
Even though at QB, Pat, you always talk about this in
dynasty, like when these guys go top five at QB they retain value
even if they're Zack Wilson. Like, I remember after it was
rookie year, I traded Zack Wilson for two seconds, which is
like not amazing. It was a loss of value, but I
still got two second round rookie picks.
It's still very good, right? Yeah, like I retained 2 seconds
after he had a horrible rookie year because there's people that
still believe and they know he's gonna start.
And I mean but the league neighbors.
Yeah, I really. Yeah.
I think neighbors should be 3 at this point.
I mean, he's just looking so locked in such a high ceiling,
you know? Again, not to compare it to to
Harrison, but just like he's just a such a good prospect and
would be the clear wide receiver one I think, if Harrison wasn't
in the class. So I like the pick.
All right, Blair, you're on the clock #4 here, do you?
I actually. Shocker for us this year again.
Well, I don't know. I think there is a case to be
made for a different player at #3, and it's because people
forget this is a tight end premium league.
It's called Brock Bowers. Wow.
Bowers, of course, put up numbers in his true freshman
season that would be impressive for a wide receiver prospect.
I mean his his production profile is is pretty incredible.
So I'm excited about what he can do.
I'm tempted in a lot of my kind of more, I don't know,
contrarian moods, to put him at number one overall, but that's a
little crazy. I like it.
I wouldn't do it, but I like that.
Not, not saying it's going to turn out the same way, but it is
a little bit like the Jamar Chase, Kyle Pitts here, we're in
tight end premium. You can kind of be like, I mean,
this is a really, really good tight end prospect too.
I brought this up with I think, JJ, where I was like can someone
make this case? Because it's like he's such a
good tight end prospect and reminded me, Ben exactly of that
of of Pitts chase like no one's making this case.
So I'm I'm, I'm glad to hear that you are Blair, 'cause
that's he's that good of a prospect that we should at least
like. Now, I disagree with you, but
I'm I'm psyched. Also, don't you think there's a
bit of almost just like Brock Bowers is so good discourse
fatigue? Because like I remember hearing
about Brock Bowers at this time next year, they're like, oh
this, this tight end class is good.
Wait until the best tight end comes in the class next year.
Brock Bowers would be ahead of all all of these guys you love
in this 2023 rookie class. And now it's just like he's a
lock to be, what, top 15, probably, at worst, draft
capital? Like basically no question marks
on his profile. I feel like people are just
bored talking about him. I think there's Pitts fatigue as
well. I think people feel burned.
Even NFL teams like pushing his draft capital outside the top
ten. Yeah, he's a monster.
I like the idea that he's not like Pitts is obviously great,
but he kind of wins down field as a receiver like Bowers.
Bower's had 19 carries, 193 yards and five touchdowns
rushing. Like in college, which?
Is like he. He's a running back playing like
he's just more like H back. Like you can give him handoffs
if you want to and screen so it feels like there's gonna be a
lot like easier of a ramp up and he doesn't, He doesn't need like
an elite quarterback to get him open down field.
So he's exciting. I'll be honest, he's probably a
favorite to be a Jet, so that's probably his biggest negative
right now. I I did my my video today doing
dream landing spots for the wide receivers.
I included Brock and I know it's chalk Ron but I I do think The
Jets is an awesome spot for him like to just flank Garrett
Wilson could easily slide in as the number two target earner
there. You know Rogers is going to find
him be a big red zone threat, big part of that offense.
Oh, I I would be. I would be beyond Stoke.
It's just like, at this point, like, dude, I've had my heart
broken like so many times. It's just like something's going
to happen. Like our our offensive lines
made of glass. Like, yes, I'm excited we got
Tyron Smith, but Tyron Smith and Morgan Moses are both 33.
The right guard is coming off an Achilles tear.
Elijah, Vera Tucker. Like, it's a very, like Brock
Bauer's 2024 projection with The Jets is standing on a House of
Cards. It's like kind of the way I'd
put it, but it is exciting. It's exciting for sure.
I'll, I'll, I'll say that. Well, we saw that House of Cards
last year. They're all free.
Usually I've. Been playing more than 4 plays
in man, 4 plays in just collapsed.
I just had a flashback to doing our ship cast with you, Rod, and
you were just in a sad state of affairs.
I was. Remembering that as well.
That was an all time ship that was the best, best of the year.
All right, Ron, you are on the clock at 5.
The chat is starting to make their plans at six.
Where you going here? I am sprinting to the podium to
take Drake May. I absolutely love Drake May.
College basketball's on right now.
His brother Luke May UNC legend, which like weirdly give me.
Yeah, Luke May's brother and their dad played football at UNC
as well. It's like almost like a
McCaffrey esque family where they're all athletes.
The mom played at UNC too, I think so that this is going to
sound weird, but that gives me hope that he's less Baker
Mayfield and more Josh Allen if that makes sense.
Where he's like an actual athlete and can move and he runs
the ball. He's made like I think he has
the most big time throws over the last two years.
He has like a 90 plus PFF grade in both years.
He scrambles rocket arm. Like, I don't know.
He has two years of starting experience.
People love to kind of like overthink it.
He he definitely misses some layups.
Like, I'm not by any means a tape grinder.
But you know the guys who grind tape in their basement will say,
well he misses some layups. I don't know.
He's super young. It feels like with the right
coaching that that could get shored up.
Like he just has an amazing arm. He's he's very exciting.
Drake, man. He didn't have a great
supporting cast either this year.
The thing about him too is like, people are like, I misses, he
misses some layups and he takes a lot of half court shots.
And yeah, he sinks a bunch, but you know, I probably should take
those. Like, are you sinking half court
shots? It seems good.
Yeah. And Pat, I know, I know you've
been very bullish on him for best ball purposes.
It does that bullishness fully carry over to Dynasty.
Yeah, I I would have. I mean, to be honest, I
considered. I think he's in the conversation
at 2:00 and then I think he's got that high of a ceiling as a
as a quarterback in Superflex. But you, I mean the safety of
Harrison and the ceiling you're getting, it's almost like the
Neighbors conversation was like, yeah, but you're getting plenty
ceiling and you're it's coming with such a, you know just a
bulletproof prospect profile grab Harrison.
But I I think he's in the conversation at three.
I would have taken him at four. I really like me in in all
formats. I'd say too with like it is an
interesting debate between the ceilings and floors.
But like if you do a start up right now, nine of the top 12
are going to be quarterbacks. Like to me, I like Harrison
Junior and Neighbors. I I don't know.
I think that they'd almost have to have like a Jefferson Chase
type rookie year, which is in the range of outcomes.
But like if they ever wanted to crack like like the top six of
startups is so difficult to get there.
I I think like maybe Jefferson after year one was there.
Like we just saw Stroud, like Stroud was like a top six
quarterback. He was great, but he didn't have
to like be the QB one in fantasy to get there.
And then we also see Bryce Young, he's like a sixth round
pick in startups and he was God awful last year.
So it does feel like there is a a ceiling in four there with May
2. I think it just speaks to kind
of the the depth of the class and we talked about it earlier.
But if you can trade from, like if you can trade from the three
to the five and somehow net a first, you can have to like
throw in a second like it's a. It's a very stacked class at the
top, but these are all like top 50 assets.
All of these picks are really fun picks to make.
Like one or I mean. At two, like, I mean they're and
they all that goes down to five, 'cause you have five really good
prospects. I love the chat is cannibalized.
They are going insane right now. So to to set the table right now
with what's going on. Obviously the the picks have
gone Caleb Williams. Marvin Harrison Junior.
Malik neighbors. Brock Bowers.
Drake may the chat has, you know correctly identified 2 main
candidates here and Jane Daniels the best available quarterback
in Roma dunes A you know that tear break that Gretsch just
talked about. And it's turned into Lord of the
Flies. There's mud being slung there,
there are dead bodies laying around.
And I've been watching. I haven't pulled up here on the
screen you can see the real time votes coming in.
There's 52 votes. Come make your vote heard.
I mean, look, there's no integrity in this poll.
If you got burners and you're Jane Daniel, Stan, fucking fire
him up. Rock the boat here because it's
5050. Guys like this is a dead heat
right now with this poll. Daniels is a paper Tiesman,
Heisman. This is one of the comments
here. Andrew G says Chaos.
I do want to clarify something because people were wondering
about these picks, so this. So to let you guys know for pick
6, this is the other pick that you're making is 17.
That's the team, but you don't really have to worry about then
Then the pick eight and where's the other one?
Did I miss the chat? In Did I miss the Chat?
Six is 19. I got.
A little confused about the. You have them at 19, I think.
Oh. Oh, yeah, yeah.
Sorry. I didn't have all caps.
That's why I That's why I threw me.
Yes, but they're two separate teams here.
Ron, would you have taken a oh sorry, you have patent in
between those two chats in the second round.
But isn't it's Ron between the two, Pat between the two chats?
I think I understand now I'm confused.
Which one, Pat or then what? What needs to be flipped?
The second round between the two chat picks I see Pat's name, but
in the first round between the two chat picks we have Ron.
Oh yeah, you're right. Because Pat got moved up.
OK. I think that, yeah, Pat, Pat had
three second round picks. He traded in a raw second round.
He did want to trade back. This is still like a dead heat
51% Rome 77. Votes Oh, it's flipped.
It was Daniel's. Oh.
Wow, it's 5149. This is.
This is wild. I wonder how Granch, if you
wouldn't have just kind of shared how much he loved Rome on
these airwaves over the past couple of months.
Maybe this wouldn't be as close? I don't think it's I I mean, I'm
gonna make the case whenever Rome gets picked that he's
getting dogged a little bit by how special we just said
Harrison and neighbors are because he's an incredible
prospect in his own right. I saw the the Harmon thing the
other day where like his whole route tree's all green and like
every. I mean he's a little bit of a
later breakout. Yes he he played four years in
college but like he played in a spread offense PFF they just
wrote a thing today somebody over at PFF I I don't remember
the name about how yards per out run when you have you know more
receivers on the field is tends to be lower.
The expected yards per out run should be lower.
You have more competition essentially for targets.
It's fairly intuitive the the Huskies ran a very spread
offense and he was still the clear alpha in a spread offense
with two other good prospects and two tight ends that went to
the combine like they're they have a lot of competition there
and he was always the legit alpha at UW.
I I mean, I think he's a, he'll be good player.
His family has burners on Twitter and they come at me
every time I say he's wide receiver 3.
Really, dude? It is.
It is insanity. Like if you just utter the words
like neighbors, neighbors is really good and like you forget
to even mention odoonze. It's like 2 or one like there
there's like Ron, Ron. Ron that that's me.
Those are my. All right, man, this is 84
votes. It's at 51 percent, 49%.
What? When?
What should we? I like am I gonna hit?
Is this going to go to court? Is there going to?
Be a right. Now I'm hitting Chad's like I'm
terrified though now. Oh shit.
It just flipped them with God, it's even.
Let's here. I want to ask Ron about the
neighbors. May Would you have taken May
over neighbors. It's very close.
I think I would without knowing the neighbors landing spot at
this point, just 'cause I like May that much super young, very
nice prospect, but like you're flipping a coin like I would
have both of them as like second round startup picks, you know?
Oh man, 51%. Here, Rome pulls ahead.
Steph is trying to. The charge of.
Daniels in the chat. I actually have Diego's right to
add a Rome people. Are a SEC religious system cut
reports that there are deceased people voting for?
There you go. Are you in there voting for a
doonsay? The burners didn't apply to you.
Man. Oh my God, it's.
Daniels. Oh my goodness.
This is all right. 98 votes. I'm locking it at 200 votes.
It's at 98. Two more votes.
Two more votes at the side 100. One or something.
You're right, number. One thank you.
Thank you. Yeah, 101.
Hunter 199. Daniels pulls ahead 2.
More votes? Who's going to create a burner?
If it's a doonsay, it's 5050. Yeah, we're going to go to 101
If it's a doonsay, If it's a Jaden vote.
We're locked. Final vote, Get it in.
This is insane. I didn't.
Oh no. It's tied.
No, I think it was it. Has the full time, I think it
was Dan, you had the tied 50. No one at the end, it looked
like, didn't it? I am.
You have to flip a coin. Put it on the generator.
Oh man. I'm letting Steph Miller come to
the podium on behalf of the chat and break the tie.
Steph, Steph, I can't. I can't.
I can't flip a coin. We're letting Vice President
Steph, she is going to certify this vote.
That's fair, all right. Good.
What'd she say? Daniels?
She said. Daniels.
The pick is Daniels. God, that this whole idea in my
head, I was like, oh. This would be Smooch, yeah.
Hop the Steel. We were definitely, definitely
trying to give room for Jay Daniels there, yeah.
Fantastic. 100 votes dead tie. That's crazy.
Insane, OK? Well, we know Ron hates a
doonsay. He's pissed off his whole family
and all those things. So you guys might still get a
doonsay at 1:08. Yes.
Seriously Ron, where where are you at?
You are on the clock at 17 now. We're not letting chat explain
their pick here. It can't be trusted.
We'll be here all night if I allow that.
But yeah, I'll take Rome of Doonsay.
And this is just part. This is just part of my growth
in the dynasty landscape. You guys know younger.
I think, I think it like two years ago I would have been
like, well, Adunde wasn't an early declare, so I don't know
guys, I don't know if he's a top seven, you know guy who won a
rookie drafts but the the film community is so high on him.
I know I think Dale and Drama has like as a top five player on
his big board, he's going to go top ten.
And you have like legit reasons for him not producing earlier
where it's been stacked wide receiver room.
He dealt with some injuries early on, but his final year is
amazing. Matt Harmon loves him and that's
kind of good enough for me. He also killed the combine.
He can play inside and out. He's he's very exciting.
Super good at all depths, yeah, yeah.
Not no separation issues. One of the thing that's
something that pops up with a lot of the the guys in this
class and he's kind of seen I think it's sort of like a
contested catch guy to some extent but like the athleticism
and the the route running is probably undersold a little bit
maybe his yards per outrun as an underclassmen were also pretty
good, 2.17 yards per outrun through three underclassmen
seasons. Not like off the charts or
anything but you know that's pretty good.
And then he had a 28% career market share of yards which is a
pretty good mark for a four year player.
So yeah he was he also had pretty good yards after catch on
deeper throws. So overall just he I still do
care that he's a four year player except as I'm like
comparing him to neighbors in Harrison but like he checks
basically every box you're looking for so and.
One of the things we talked about this before, but as we
talked about the other two Washington receivers, both of
their offensive tackles, Michael Pennix are all potential day one
or Day 2 picks. Then I also mentioned how their
two tight ends were at the if I did the combine, the running
back, all these dudes returned to make a run at a national
championship. So he would have been like the
one guy that was like, yeah, no, actually I'm going pro.
I, I, I, I make a little bit of a mental adjustment for that.
At least he did need that senior year.
As you sometimes talk about pad, it was his best year, but he did
elevate. He's not going top 10 without
that year. Yeah, that's fair.
But I'll also say his second season.
His first season we only played four games and we had a a bad
head coach. His second season we also had a
bad head coach. The first two years we we fired
him. His second season his targets
per out run were actually a career high.
His yards per target were horrible.
Our offense was really bad. His yards per out run doesn't
pop as a sophomore, but he earned volume at a big clip
right away. His first like heavy route
season his his freshman year only ran 40 routes.
We only played four games. Like I said, 250 routes a second
year and was earning volume right away was, you know,
showing some of those traits early.
The other thing I'll say about him, you guys are talking about
all the stuff down field and that is his profile.
Like he runs good route separates and everything.
I've talked about this a little bit though.
But like, we would throw some wide receiver screens
occasionally. We'd throw into a lot of
different guys and they threw him to roam.
Dude, he would always get like 8 yards.
Like he was the kind of guy that would fall forward, whatever.
Like it wasn't a 2 yard gain. Like he's a physical runner with
a ball on his hands. Like another play.
I mentioned to you guys biggest game of the year late in the
year or we had a lot of close games but we're playing our
rival Washington state. We went forward on 4th and two
in our own like 30 yard line and and like a tie game late.
We're about to get upset knocked out of the you know national
championship conversation. They called an end around to
Roma Dunesay. Like that's the way all those
little things about like rushing production and kick return
production that we talked about where like the team knows when
their players are stars and they want to get the ball in their
hands. When our season was on the line,
they go to Roma Dunesay like they.
That's the way that UW was all last year.
I did want the the chat reminded me is I was joking about moving
on from the Jane Daniels pick. But we should talk about that a
little bit too, because he is such an interesting player, kind
of that classic archetype where when he does hit, his Super Flex
value is just insane, but there is a lot of risk to him actually
hitting. Yeah, Jane Daniels scares me a
lot. I I think best ball is like how
I'm going to try to get a lot of my Jaden Daniels exposure,
because, I mean, if he's going to be good, he's going to be
good. Like right away, right?
It's all about rushing. He might, like, he might score
the most points his entire career as a rookie because he
might just run all the time. So I think that the problem
obviously is the floor you get. I I have real concerns about him
as a passer. He's an awesome deep passer last
year, but he's throwing him Malik Neighbors and Brian
Thomas. He was not very good at all
heading into the season. He's the kind of guy like you
follow like the journey of these dudes.
Like he was kind of seen as like an intriguing kind of like
developmental guy. And then he jumps in.
This has a Heisman winning season and then all of a sudden
he's like you know gonna go top three in the draft.
So that doesn't mean he he can't pay off on that.
But I do think it creates some floor questions True.
Like kind of one year wonder as far as like really high pedigree
goes. So this is where I would take
him though. It's just like if he if he's a
starter, you're probably gonna be able to get out.
Maybe it'll get maybe it's a little trickier as like the
market keeps getting burned by some of these quarterbacks.
Maybe you won't have quite as many trade partners as you might
have had two years ago. But I think, I think you'll
you'll probably be able to get out for a decent amount and he's
got such a high ceiling. Yeah, the Ron and he Ron Blair
and he and he takes on on Jayden.
He's tough because he's just I I think that he's comfortably.
I mean like I don't know like the Monk drives and stuff don't
really think so as well but I think he's comfortably behind
May as a in real life prospect. But the aspect of like his
rushing upside like he could be like, you know like his ceiling
is like Lamar Jackson. You know RG3 before the ACL
tear. But he could also like just
absolutely suck. Like he could just be just like
a worst version of Fields. Almost like I I I think Marcus
Mariota is honestly a decent comp.
Like he could put up some like same thing with Fields where he
put up like a top 12 season and then you know there's not a lot
of like job security. But it's tough.
I I've sort of wrestled it with my wrestled with it myself where
we've seen guys like Burrow, where he just comes out and has
this like monstrous, monstrous final year and like nothing much
before that. So weighing like these massive
peaks where I think Jayden Daniels, like ESPNSQBR, is like
a pretty decent measure of how good a player was in a season.
He has like the second highest all time ahead of Kyler ahead of
the Burrow Heisman season. But then we also have three
years of like what the hell happened between I think he was
a decent freshman at Arizona State and then just like it was
pretty awful after that. He's also like very thin and he
takes like these crazy hits when he's running.
So it it's a it's very tough to deal with because like he's one
of these guys where when he hits he's going to hit in a massive
way and you don't want to miss out on that.
And like any aspect, but it doesn't feel great now.
Yeah, I agree. I mean, when you, you kind of
can think about how he has Lamar Jackson upside.
But on the other hand, Lamar Jackson was good for many years
in college, was younger. Coming out, you know there are a
lot more red flags. A lot more productive as a
rusher too, yeah. For sure, Lamar Jackson is a
really unique runner. Like, he's he's not just fast,
like he's agile like he could. Like, we joke about how they
wanted him to play receiver, but like, he could be a legitimate
running back in the NFL if he wasn't a quarterback.
Like, he's really good at, like making guys miss.
It's different than any other QB in.
Mind, there's there's no highlight reel of Lamar Jackson
getting lit up, right? And Justin Fields, too, who has
these long, you know, awesome runs.
And even Michael Vick, who had awesome, you know, highlight
runs, Those guys took hits, too. Like, they, they don't have the,
like, agility that Lamar Jackson has.
Like to make dudes miss. It's in like a phone booth.
It's crazy, That's. Crazy.
All right, you you guys aren't gonna believe this, but the the
chat is in a heated argument once.
Again. The chat's defense.
There's a pretty clear tear break here.
Yeah, so we got a vote going right now it's Brian Thomas at
wide receiver and then quarterback JJ McCarthy.
I will just say I see right now we have 166 people watching and
only 55 votes. Let's can we get can we get over
100 votes here for a decent sample here although Brian
Thomas at 54%. Oh, who else is in this?
It's 5239. Do you have 1/3 option in this
poll? I had, I had a a poll before
this that included Xavier Worthy and then I ended it and started
a new one that didn't. So I don't know what's going on
with that. Isn't that 200?
I was wondering if there was a third option but.
Well, there there was before. But that poll ended.
Xavier Worthy only had 7%. So, oh, that's.
Yeah. You copy paste it, that's the
written part. The the the percentages are over
on the right. 5644. Holy shit, that was trippy.
I guess like this we are stuck in an infinite.
Loop. The yes, so 54% Brian Thomas,
45% JJ McCarthy. We're gonna need a strong push
here from the McCarthy heads, which I was getting in in the
chat here, Jonathan says. Take the 21 year old top five
QB, quite probably going to throw to JJ, Addison and Hawk
with elite arm talent and athleticism.
On the other hand, you'll get lots of game manager stuff about
JJ. What are your guys's takes on
McCarthy? I think I'd probably grab him
here. He's the McCarthy like the
downside is that he had I I looked at like he was fully
managed. He like fully managed in College
in a way that makes you pretty concerned about like oh is he
going to actually be a fantasy relevant quarterback in the NFL
when he wasn't given any volume at all in college?
Like I looked at percentage of games with 45 plus drop backs
may hit that mark in 42% of his games.
Kale Williams and Jaden Daniels were at 17%.
McCarthy never hit that mark. 35 plus May was at 83%.
Williams 67%, Daniels 42%, McCarthy 7 percent, 25 plus May
every single game. Caleb 92 Jayden Daniels 92
McCarthy, McCarthy 53%. This dude was not throwing the
ball. That doesn't seem great.
On the other hand, if he goes to the Vikings, he throws really
well to the middle of the field. He's mobile enough to make some
occasional plays. Can he basically be like Kevin
O'connell's Brock Purdy throw into, you know, JJ Jordan,
Addison, Hawkinson, I think he probably can so and I think he's
gonna get the shot to do that if he if he goes there for sure.
So I probably. The gaps in those numbers you
just listed for the amount of drop backs was crazy.
It's crazy. Yeah, it it's, it's full
projection. I forget who's oh, was it?
Oh, it was Ted Winn I think was with On Davis's Pod compared him
to Trey Lance because of like the the pure projection of the
NFL group. It makes a lot of sense.
Yeah, now that makes sense. I mean, you know, it's hard
enough to evaluate QB's just based on kind of their
statistical profiles. And when you have someone with
such a small college sample, it's even worse.
You kind of. I mean, yeah.
McCarthy has the fact that he's the youngest quarterback in this
class. He's getting some buzz from
scouts, which makes me think that even though kind of from an
analytic perspective, he doesn't look that good, I should
probably be paying more attention to him than I am.
So it's tricky. Of course I have a head.
Of Dave, you're worthy here. So there you go.
That's that's who I am too. Hilarious.
I want to come in off the top rope on Brian Thomas while we're
talking crap about. JJ Yeah, let's let's do Brian
Thomas because it looks like he is going to win this pole for
the chat. He probably isn't good.
No, no, I'm just kidding. No, he he had incredible
efficiency last year, 13.5 yards per target, 17 touchdowns, a
bunch of long touchdowns. So his like per route numbers
incredible. Except for he never actually
really earned a lot of volume in college.
Targets per out run even last year weren't even over 20%,
which is incredibly low for like a first round wide receiver type
prospect. And call it like I was talking
about Marvin Harrison earlier, his two best seasons are up
around 30%. Neighbors got up to 30%.
Neighbors though as like a true freshman was in the 20s already.
He was at 21% and he's at 24, jumped to 29.7 last year.
They had Keyshon Bute or whatever you say his name up
until last year, but he was getting worse every year.
He had like the really good freshman year and then he went
downhill, his sophomore in junior years and Neighbors was
filling some of that space. Brian Thomas wasn't and and he
wasn't efficient either his first two years.
So his yards, Pratt run his first two years are just like
not good. And then last year he has the
explosive season. He has a ton of like monster
yards per team attempt, all that stuff, but it's all yardage,
efficiency. It's really all long touchdowns.
It's like a few plays he didn't show enough consistency, earning
targets per out for me when you're not even at 20%.
I mean obviously like scoring. Like, it's what Pat was joking
about earlier with the Drake May like 50 yard or half court
shots. Like scoring 17 touchdowns is
really good. Like a lot of long TV's is
really good. I'm not saying that's bad is the
potential to be a high efficiency like #2, but this
guy's not gonna be an alpha #1 target earner at the NFL level.
Like, I'm very confident about that when I look at his targets.
Pride running college. I know he's super athletic, but
if he couldn't translate that to draw more volume, I mean even
alongside Neighbors, I'm. I have real concerns about his
like it's like a Josh Palmer profile.
You're hoping for a lot of efficiency.
It's very athletic. There was a lot of touchdowns.
There was a lot, a lot more touchdowns.
He's but he's more efficient than Palmer.
His His profile weirdly reminds me of Jalen Waddles from a
statistical point of view, and I've kind of brought him up.
I brought him up to Eric Froton, who kind of looked at me weird,
'cause, like, they they're not like Brian Thomas is much
bigger. They're not like it's not like a
comp, but like statistically and kind of in a similar thing of
like what he was playing alongside these other really
good prospects. He has like some weirdness in
his profile. Not not as productive as we
would like, but he's really fast.
Came out early, gonna get not as good as draft capitalist
Waddell, but he will be a first round pick and probably in the
top 20. But Waddle was way better all
three years in basically everything.
Target target earning. His worst season was way better
than this, two percentage points better than Brian Thomas's best
season. Yards per outrun his worst
season significantly better than Brian Thomas's last season.
His best season's Waddles are through the roof like he was
incredibly. I understand your point.
You're it's a bet on efficiency in draft capital.
But his efficiency. Waddles was electric 14 plus
yards per target all three years.
Brian Thomas was inefficient 2 years and then one year that
wasn't even as good as Waddle's worst yards per target year.
That's good push back, 'cause I think Waddle Waddle was the
better prospect, but but it's like a similar kind of like,
yeah. It's, I get what you're saying
for sure, but it's like a totally different level of bet
on that profile, right, in terms of the stats?
I think so, yeah. I think.
I think Waddle was a much better bet.
He feels kind of like Quinn Johnson, not not like production
wise, but just that like this could go kind of.
Oh, Josh Palmer. Josh Palmer.
Was, was, was too harsh, but you're going with Josh.
I don't. Know Johnson's a better prospect
than Josh Palmer. No, of course.
Yeah, yeah, exactly. They're both get drafted first
round. I think Josh.
Josh Palmer's like I feel like he was shocked that he even went
like Day 2 or whatever he went. But yeah Brian Thomas junior I
the only thing that I can kind of latch on to him is that I do
like that. You know he's young.
He's coming out. He's athletic.
He'll be a first round pick. I've heard.
I've heard like top 15 buzz and it wouldn't shock me at all he
wins downfield. But I thought like the
interesting part that he's not you're like Mark Davis Bryant
like you know like 16 yard a dot.
He had a 12.2 yard a dot in his career and like 22% missed
tackles force perception. So it seems like he's not.
I think he could develop into almost kind like kind of like
what T Higgins is next to Jamar Chase.
Like that would be like I think a decent ceiling comp where he
could be that downfield guy with a little bit more wiggle.
But yeah, there's definitely, like, there's definitely a very
low floor and the target, you know, earning ability is
definitely a concern. I agree with that take that he
could be like that, like a Higgins.
I like that call. Like actually very high
efficiency play. If you assume he goes in the
first round and put that in the box score, scout Higgins comes
in as his top comp. Interestingly, there you go.
Obviously we don't, you know, a little bit different play style
in terms of Thomas. Well, Higgins, I mean, but
Thomas, one of the red flags that comes up in my stuff for
him is that he had a lot of contested deep targets and so he
has the speed. So I'm like, man, it doesn't, it
seems like he should be able to get open deep, but when you have
a lot of contested deep targets, it's been generally, especially
if you don't have an ultra high contested catch rate, which he
didn't. It's it's been a big red flag
for guys like Quinton Johnston, they're, you know, you're JJ
Orthega Whitesides of the world. Like it's not a great cohort.
It's pretty. It's like, yeah, a lot of fun
there is. That Johnson had, what, 6
touchdowns in his final season or something like that?
Brian Thompson, 17, but that that's that point that he like
had a lot of contesting. Catch That scares me because the
reason I talk about Guitar Sprout runs so much and I and I
look at it so much is I I think I know we all know this, but I
think wide receiver is such a a position about consistency that
we talk about highlights and we talk about athleticism.
And the reason those things don't always show up in the
production is it's down to down. Do you win your route every
time? This is like what Matt Harman's
looking at with reception perception and that stuff.
Can you consistently do the technique and the and the things
that are required of you And it seems like Thomas just like has
17 long touchdowns and that's that's his whole profile in one
season and he and he stacked it all together.
When he's playing with the Heisman quarterback who is
extending plays and he's this athletic player down field that
is. Then on the other end of these
bombs Jane Daniels throws a great deep ball.
Everyone says like I didn't watch a ton of LLC tape.
I'm gonna, I, I I'm just putting this all together in my head.
But it seems a little convenient to me that like, Oh yeah, this
really mobile good deep ball thrower and otherwise he's he's
dealing with a bunch of contested catches.
You're saying like so these are deep.
Targets where? So this is deep, contested,
Sorry, deep contested targets. Now this is actually nuts given
the way this conversation has gone.
Brian Thomas had 46% of his deep targets contested right behind
him. Quentin Johnston at 45% and Josh
Palmer is right behind that 40. 5%, that's.
Crazy. We got his range.
Now Josh Palmer only caught 24% of those.
Johnston and Thomas were at 38%. I brought this up with Connor
Rogers and he he actually felt like some of that's on Jaden
Daniels underthrowing him. That's what I've heard as well
that I wanted to say. I don't watch film, but I have
heard that Daniel's on the deep ball screwed Thomas a bunch
where like a lot of them he would be wide open.
He comes back like 5 yards to get it and it's a contested
target. Right.
And that and that's like this whole exercise is designed to
like find guys who can't separate deep.
And if he's separating deep so well that he's able to come
back, then it's that's noise, you know.
So I'm not as nervous about that as I as I have generally been
like Keon Coleman is a 47%, so just above Thomas, I'm more
nervous about him than Thomas in that in that way because
everyone says Keon Coleman can't separate so.
And he doesn't have the speed to make you think.
That, and he doesn't have the speed right.
All right. Pete, yeah, so the chat did kind
of settle 54% on Brian Thomas to JJ McCarthy, 45% I would say
pretty equally heated as some of their previous decisions, but
they do lock up. Brian Thomas, I am not going to
take their sloppy seconds in JJ McCarthy though.
McCarthy. He just doesn't do it for me.
I I feel like when McCarthy hits, that's typical production.
You can arbitrage even in Superflex like I feel like you
can get the pocket passers especially like you can go out
and and probably not have to give up that much to get a guy
like Aaron Rodgers right now and get like that kind of production
or a guy like Baker Mayfield. Like, I don't know.
I feel like that's kind of where McCarthy is going to land.
If he hits and I understand the draft capital is going to be
there. Minnesota, obviously a nice
spot, but Xavier Worthy, guys, this is this is the guy that I
have to take here. I think if we hit on some like
Devon HN, Unicorn Esque, you know, black box mystery in this
draft, it's going to be Xavier worthy.
I feel very, very confident he is going to go in the first
round of the draft. I am shocked whenever I see a
mock draft that does not have him in the first round.
I think that is insane. I will bet any amount of money
that he's going to go in the first round and I think it's
going to be to a fun team just based on those teams who pick in
the back 10 picks and the fact that he is not just a speed
merchant. The fact that he had this
incredible rookie season at Texas gives me so much faith
that you're hanging your hat on more than just an athlete.
And I get very, very excited about what that could mean for
our dynasty teams. This is the dude that when I did
the Target Sprout Run thing today, I got the most pumped
about Pete. You've been talking about him
that way all all offseason in these shows that we've been
doing. You mentioned his really good
rookie freshman season and it was really, really strong.
The fascinating thing with his targetsprout run stuff is that
he was really inefficient his sophomore year and and I and
Sean rode in the road of his rookie guy that that Blair did a
ton of great work on as well that that was Quinn Ewer's first
season and he was inconsistent. He was in a deep threat role,
but his targetsprout run were massive.
Even had a 17.6 A dot. He was at 28.5% targetsprout
run. That's a .8.
I do this weighted targets per out run that brings in air
yards. It's a .89 weighted targets per
out run. That number not a lot of context
other than it matches Marvin Harrison's best season.
It's the only other guy that's even in the realm of Marvin
Harrison's two seasons to have a season with that type of volume.
Malik Neighbors is the next kind of one in that range he's at.
He had his best season was .80, almost a full .1 below where
Worthy's year was. But Worthy's efficiency was
horrible. So that's actually his worst
yards per out run, even though he had all this massive volume
that year. Last year, his volume went down
a little bit and he was more efficient.
They moved him into a shorter role.
When they brought in Baby Mitchell, they put him in the
deep threat role. Kind of feel like that's a
positive note on the doonsay stuff.
Well, I was talking about earlier where like the team
wanted to get the ball in his hands.
Last year it wasn't working. We had it.
He was earning all this deep volume.
We couldn't get the ball on his hands.
Let's move him down shorter. He's still playing with Quinn
Ewers. Let's get him the ball in in his
hands, closer to the line of scrimmage.
But to your point Pete, I mean this is not just a fast dude.
He has a ton of target earning. Like no guy who ran these super
fast 40s had this type of profile before.
Like this has never happened. Yeah, and I was listening to
Travis May talk too about how a lot of his production with kind
of the drops and stuff, he was playing with a club on his hand
last year at. Time did I hear?
Him say Yeah. What?
What's your? Take player that a few times
that that I keep. Getting that No, I don't.
I don't have a different take. I think that's exactly right.
I mean, his speed obviously is is awesome to see, but he was an
interesting prospect even like he was one of the top prospects
in this wide receiver class even before you knew he was that
fast. So I think you know it.
The fact that his combine is probably moving him up into the
first round does make a difference and makes him maybe
even a little bit more intriguing.
But I don't think it necessarily changes the way you're viewing
him based on his production. You know, obviously a much
different player but his kind of production profile reminds you
of what Juju Smith Schuster did in college where he had this
massive I think it was his sophomore year breakout and then
kind of tailed off a little bit later but still still was good
in the NFL. So yeah, I'm.
I'm super excited to see Worthy. I would even have him probably
above a doonese. Wow.
OK, there's the Spice I. I liked it.
I I'm, I don't know. I I definitely want to have some
worthy and he's pretty attainable in best ball right
now. I'm drafting him a fair amount
but I don't I was not viewing that story.
You told Ben nearly as positively.
To me it's like he was the guy they they try to use him as the
deep threat. The way the difference between
the weighted targets per outrun and yards per outrun is is yards
per target. And that was not that was not
good. You know he had a 1.91 yards per
outrun, not great. And then they moved him out of
the role in favor of a guy who hadn't been there previously in
AD. Mitchell, who is very athletic
in play to go first round himself, but also some serious
red flags including real inefficiency and so it's like.
You know if you lost. The deep threat role to this guy
who it's hard for me to Is that a is that a red flag or is that
a first round pick who's just better at those things and
you're kind of doing things that you're good at and he's doing
things he's good at. It's not a problem.
But it's like I'm not sure if Ady Mitchell's good and if Ady
Mitchell isn't good, that's bad for Xavier Worthy but Ady
Mitchell could be really good. And then maybe they're probably
pretty correlated in their outcomes in that way because
Worthy it didn't work when they used him as a deep threat and
then they they brought in someone else to kind of play
that role. And then Mitchell had 32% of the
offense and. And that's the year in Worthy's
career where you're like, OK, Worthy wasn't as productive in
his final season because Eddie Mitchell was the number one.
So it's like it's not it's sort of like how translatable is his
skill set. You know, can he be like a
traditional NFL wide receiver would be my concern with with
Xavier Worthy because last year was a little bit more kind of
manufactured than it had been. I think he.
Used the Waddle comp for where he's kind of a little bit weird
and I'd also say, I mean like his first year he was downfield
like 13.4 yard, A .12 touchdowns, 980 yards.
I I get the idea with AD Mitchell, I mean he he, I think
that he was a part of those Georgia runs.
I don't think that I think that he was like highly thought of in
the the transfer portal. But he's had like a 15 yard, A
dot his entire career. So it could have just been that,
you know, they I think that they had maybe I'm trying to think of
like who was on those Texas teams these past few years.
But it could have been an idea of just like this is a more
natural fit for our roles here. But yeah, there is definitely
like it is. It's a fair question of like why
is the first year like probably the best year?
But the the thing about Mitchell coming and taking his job,
that's interesting. I mean Mitchell does end up
having a pretty solid share of the offense.
Are you talking about like the specific like hit the the
receiving yards there when you said that 38% of the offense?
Mitchell Mitchell had 3032% Dominator rating his final
season and Worthy dropped from He went 39 percent, 33 percent,
23% in his three seasons. Did were they miss a bunch of
wait or did Mitchell miss a bunch of times?
Mitchell ran more routes and had way more, way fewer yards.
Had a much worse yards per hour did.
He still way more touchdowns? Yeah, he probably was way more
touchdowns. Cause so the point I was gonna.
Red flag is that he's like, yeah, he had 11 touchdowns.
So the the Mitchell red flag is that he kind of just turns it on
and off, which is the real guy. Not good.
So the he he came in, he took the deep threat roll.
He only earned a target on 17.5% of passes in Texas last year.
Worthy fell off from the year prior but was still 25% like 8
percentage points higher. Way more dominant like target
dominant per route and and just raw targets 119 to 86.
And even though Mitchell ran a few more routes and so even
though there was a big A dot gap that weighted targets prop run I
mentioned .64 to .52 like Worthy was still meaningfully higher
out of way lower A dot 'cause he earned so many more targets per
out. That's why I I see it a little
bit like I do in a favorable way for where they were, was like
we're moving you to where we can get you the ball as opposed to
Mitchell's taking your job because Mitchell didn't get
targets really in that role he. Did in the red zone.
But yeah, you're, yeah. Yeah, he scored a lot of
touchdowns. I don't have that on my
spreadsheet. That's a good no.
Do you think it's a red flag that Mitchell got those
touchdowns, and specifically that Worthy didn't?
That he only had five touchdowns his final season?
I think even on 120 targets seems like it, yeah.
Could be an issue for sure. That's probably, that's probably
the biggest, I don't think it's great.
That's probably the biggest thing I would worry about.
I mean, we use dominated rating typically because it it brings
in touchdowns. I think the touchdowns have
signal. I don't love that.
Mitchell's dominated rating, as you point out, is basically all
touchdown driven. Mitchell's a really tricky
prospect because he's yeah. I don't like being.
Athletic. He could be a first round pick.
He had a he had a breakout season.
He's an early declare and I also don't like him.
The per out run stuff is bad all three years.
I mean, he's never out of yards per out run, even of 1.75 in
college, which these guys are all putting up like 3.5 seasons
and he's not even half of that. That's He would have a red flag
in yards per hour run as a tight end.
Good. It's concerned.
Before we shit on my pick anymore, let's move on.
No, you're that's not your. Pick that was 80, yeah.
Oh 80 Mitchell 80. Sorry, Yeah, no, we all like.
Worthy Worthy's fine in yards per hour run.
All right. Ben, you are on the clock with
110. Yeah, I'm gonna I I I do have
worthy right behind the doonsay at 8, ahead of Thomas and ahead
of McCarthy. So I liked your pick.
Unfortunately, it meant that I can't take him.
So I'm just gonna take McCarthy, who I right now.
Yeah, I don't have anything exciting to say.
I'm saying so much about these receivers, 'cause it's the only
position I've done any research on.
Anyone want to tag team in and talk about JJ?
McCarthy I I already gave you my stats on on JJ McCarthy.
Anyone else got anything? He's a leader of men.
There you go, man. That's winner.
Yeah, I feel like you play for Jim Harbaugh.
Yeah, you definitely have that. I think like Purdy's are
stealing, if I'm being honest. Like I I think it could be one
of the Mick Shanahan tree like puppets that just, you know, is
good. Does that do we think it's
interesting? Right?
Because it still feels like there's a decent range of
outcomes on like where he goes, although maybe that band is
tightening now, but is he a quote UN quote safe prospect?
Does he have a really high likelihood of giving us the
Brock Bauer or Brock Purdy Esque production?
I don't think he's safe. Right.
Yeah, so. To me, if you're saying he's not
safe and when he does hit he gives us like average
quarterback play, that's hard to get excited about.
Oh, it's extremely difficult. Yeah.
It's just so hard to know like what his real ceiling is because
of how small the sample is. I think you can.
I mean it's hard to put a lot of specificity to it, but you know,
I'm sure he does have some upside that doesn't show up in
the in the numbers. So yeah, I'm.
I'm not sure, and this is going to seem crazy, but I'm not 100%
sure that he's a better quarterback today than Boenix.
Like I love that take Pat. I'm.
Not 100% sure. I mean, I can actually agree
with that, but it it's in part because Boenix is like five
years older than him, right. Right, Exactly, exactly.
But like he might just be Boenix again, you know, but he's
younger. So you're like well maybe he's
more but he's it's a similar they're somewhat similar and
you're betting that he's the what you haven't seen is you
know is going to lead to to upside but he's got more upside
than what he's been able to show so far which makes sense as a
guy who was a lot bigger than we thought And there was I had
concern he's going to come in at like 199 the combine he was like
well above that and he was like 219 or something.
He had a good three cone. So he can move at that size.
He's, you know, fairly mobile and he's got a big arm.
He's got tools. But like, as we talk about
today, like what does he do today?
He he's kind of like Bonex. Yep.
All right, Blair. With draft capital.
With draft capital, he's gonna get more starts.
He's gonna, yeah, he's a better bet for starts.
This feels like kind of choose your own adventure territory
here at at 1:11. Yeah, that's right.
It's, you know, as I don't have a lot of confidence in McCarthy,
but I do think there's like a huge teardrop after him.
I think you could break the seal on running back here, but I am
going to go maybe a little bit off the board and go Troy
Franklin. OK, that.
Was my pick, too. That was my.
I mean, I almost took them over McCarthy, frankly, because I.
Didn't want to take them. I guess that's a little off the
board just what by projected you know draft capital maybe a
couple other guys more likely to go ahead of him?
Yeah, he's probably a second rounder, right?
So I think if he had had a better combine, we'd be more
excited about him. He came in pretty light and not
maybe as fast as everyone was hoping, But I mean in terms of
his profile, he checks a lot of boxes early, declare he's got
the high market shares. I don't want to say he's a
Justin Jefferson, Esque prospect, but he does.
He does remind you of that season when you know Jefferson
didn't do anything great, but he was like good at everything as a
prospect. Oh, we remember.
And. Checks all the boxes is Blair.
Favorite That guy popped up. So yeah, I don't, I mean
Franklin, I don't think Franklin is Jefferson.
But in terms of a guy who could kind of be a checks all the
boxes sleeper, I like him. Nice three-year early declare
yards per outrun jumped like a full yard each of the two
seasons. Like his freshman year wasn't
great and jumps like a full yard to a sophomore year.
He's a lot more efficient. Jumps another full yard.
It's 3.32 last year. We're just talking about how
there's some prospects that get up in the three plus range.
It was really, really good. Last year's targets, Brown run
shot up his weighted targets. Brown Run really strong.
I mean, just got better each year as like a young guy.
He's declaring early, like you gotta like everything that you
see in his profile. On paper, it's like what you
want. It's early Declare, right?
Yeah, no, I I I want paper. But it's like then he comes in
176 at the combine, only runs A441, says it's 'cause he was
sick, shows up at his pro day at like 184 or something, and then
doesn't run. It's like, oh, you were sick,
why aren't you running? You know, like.
What's on a bunch of water weight?
Yeah, you dropped weight to get to 441.
Everyone thought this dude was going to run in the four threes.
He shows up skinny and runs 441. And then, you know, talking to
some of the film guys like Proton was like, dude, this
guy's like, he's not going to be like winning on the outside in
the NFL very easily. He's very small.
You know, he like, I watched some of the highlights with
Brittany and she's just like, this dude's really skinny.
Like he gums out as being really skinny.
He's he's pretty good after the catch.
Tez Walker's like another skinny guy in this that's not as good
after the catch. And I I think, and I've heard
some good stuff on Troy Franklin's route running.
He varies his speeds well and so the film community seems kind of
mixed on him. But I wanted to be really into
Troy Franklin and then basically since the combine I've I felt
like he's just a little bit harder like the.
When you when you said he was that skinny, you reminded me
that that Sean's like after his combine.
He's basically a perfect physical match for Robbie
Anderson. Robbie chosen That's actually.
A really good comp. Yeah.
I like that.
But also not not favorable in terms of size.
Yeah, it reminds me in terms of his profile of Jalen Hyatt last
year, who was another guy that I got pretty excited about and
didn't didn't pan out, at least in his rookie year.
So maybe it's wrong to chase that profile again.
But I'm I can't keep. I can't get away.
I like him a lot more than Hyatt, 'cause I think he can
play on the outside and Hyatt's about to move to the slot, which
maybe that'll work. But it's not great if you're a
like a deep threat from the slot.
If that's your NFL role, it's kind of tough to earn volume.
All right, Pat, are we going to get our our first running back
pick here? You got you're still going to
piss over there? I'm going to finish pissing.
I've got, you know, kind of like a couple more drops left.
Gotta gotta get that out. I'm going to go ahead and scoop
the falling value here. You guys don't care enough about
NFL draft capital, OK? The most metric there is where
these guys get drafted. The NFL has their say.
Let's pay attention to the signal, OK?
Stop looking at the to the scouts.
Katie Mitchell, baby. You just told us he.
Sucks. I'm pretty sure he does.
And he's gonna be a. First round pick and he's super
athletic and he's got size and he's, you know, I don't know he
could play with Josh Allen or something.
What did you? Say his his yards per route run
wasn't we're. Bad Blair.
Don't bring that up. Yeah.
No, I was. Trying to finally get a value on
AD. Mitchell, Eric I was literally
trying to come up with like anything I could 'cause I knew I
saw the way this was going that I was going to have to take him
and just trying to come up with anything.
I kind of like AD Mitchell. He did score touches.
On that. Yeah, Ron, go for it.
Well, here's the thing. His A dot is kind of like
dependent on his quarterback. Where he's like his A dot This
past year was 16 yards down field.
And the issue is that there's there's, we talked about the
Jaden Daniels cut UPS. There's there's Quinn Ewer's cut
UPS that'll make you cry or 80. Mitchell and Xavier Worthy are
butt naked wide open down field. And Quinn Ewer's.
What is it? I don't even know what the
saying is. I can't hit the right side of a
barn or whatever the hell that is.
Broadside. Yeah, the broadside's talking.
In in similes and metaphors. I'm loving.
That just trying to paint a picture for the people out
there. The audio listeners in Quinn
Ewer's When We Look at PFF, Jayden Daniels had like a 69.1%
adjusted completion percentage on 20 plus yard throws.
That's like first in the class. Even though we talked about like
he's not really hitting things on target.
Quinn he was last year, 36.2 percent, 94th in the nation next
to guys like Drew Alar. So, like, he was kind of like he
plays a role that's going to be dependent on his quarterback and
that's definitely a hindrance to him.
But if he goes to one of these Mahomes or Josh Allen spots at
the back end of the draft, he does get pretty exciting.
Yeah, yeah, 'cause he does fall in that range.
When I did my video today, I I slotted him on the on the
Cowboys just thinking Jerry loving him and then him just
being like, all right, the gallop thing, let's let's get
some playmaker downfield alongside CD Lamb.
That one I could tell myself a little bit of a story with.
That's a good. Thing.
All right, Pat, you do have the back-to-back, the way this
worked out with pick 13 to kick us off with the what most people
will recognize as the second round in their drafts, yeah.
I'll go ahead and and break the seal on running backs and take
Jonathan Brooks. This dude, I think, would be
pretty clearly like the consensus RB1 in all formats if
he hadn't torn his ACL in early December.
He was really productive at 20 years old at Texas, averaged 142
Kermit yards, 1.1 touchdowns per game last season.
He didn't get on the field really until last year because
he was behind Bijon Robinson and Roshan Johnson, which I'm not
really holding against him. You know, he was a true junior
this year, gets on the field. We do have a small sample
though, because he he just got out there for like 11 games I
think, and then towards ACL. But he had really nice breakaway
ability, 67th percentile breakaway percentage, DeAndre
Swift esque. There 97th percentile elusive
ratings, three breaks tackles, 1.46 square yards per outrun,
which is 76 percentile, the 29 receiving yards per game.
So we had some decent production there.
So versatility, breakaway ability can break tackles.
He's not the biggest back. Jacob Sanderson noted.
He was kind of concerned about him like in goal line situations
and stuff. And I would kind of view him
like a little bit Maybe DeAndre Swifty in that way.
Like it's not maybe as I I don't view him as like a a smash
prospect, things like a good not great prospect.
But I do think there's upside for kind of like a A1A in the
swift mould where you're getting receiving and you're getting
some big play ability out of it. So I think the the nice
versatility as a receiver is is how we avoid him just being like
a trap back. But yeah, this is this is where
I'm taking the first run back. I should also know it seems like
he's still going to be the number one running back drafted.
That's not a lock, but he's still the favorite to be the
number one running back drafted, which I think tells you a decent
amount given he's coming off 20 SEAL.
The way things might break too, with him coming back from ACL,
you know, say if he doesn't play until later in the season or
kind of a slow ramp up, that probably helps buoy his year one
to year two dynasty value, right?
Where you can just say, hey, the sample size isn't big enough.
You know, the injury like we didn't get to see enough of him.
Whereas like if you see him from the start and he can't climb a
depth chart, you know, it's like the giants take him or whatever
and he never surpasses Devin Singletary the whole season.
And you're kind of getting worried like it might be a
selling point for his dynasty value that he comes on late and
then we just have a smaller kind of sample on what we're getting
from him. Kind of like Jameson Williams in
a way, where like, he had a lot of goodwill.
Like even though he did nothing as a rookie, it was like a top
six round making startup. It's tough to wrestle with
though, 'cause, like I I only want to draft running backs if
I'm trying to win really, in dynasty.
So it's like like as a rebuilding team, like I'd kind
of would rather like future draft capital than holding
Brooks on my bench. That's like kind of the, like, I
think this is like the fine part to take him, But in terms of
like, roster construction, it's very weird.
Like I I only want running backs if I'm competing.
But he's not going to give you his, his, you know, top level
production until you know. 2025 so.
I I love this point because there's also the issue of, like,
running back primes are like their first three years in the
league. Like, that's when you want a
dude, and this is already giving up one of those seasons in some
respects, or at least half of it or something.
What if he goes and tears the ACL again later in in his rookie
year after he comes back? What if he tears his other knee?
You're fucked. Like you're.
Like you're JK Dobbins. Yeah.
And you're taking Dobbins like you're one strike down and
running backs only get two. They don't get three.
Yeah. Blair, I feel like some fun
decisions here still. What are you gonna do at 14?
Yeah, I think that Brooks and Trey Benson are almost, I mean,
I have them in the same tier. Me too.
I think. I think they're fairly
interchangeable. I have them back-to-back in my
overall, not even my rookie rank 'cause my overall dynasty.
Rank Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're pretty close.
I mean Benson has, you know, obviously had a an awesome
combine. He put up some pretty crazy
numbers. I mean 4.4 yards after contact
per attempt in his sophomore year at Florida State, 31%
evasion rate, a little bit lower in his junior year, but still
very good. So I'm I'm excited to to see
what he can do in the NFL. Yeah, Do we think they're if if
Brooks isn't first running back taken, it's Benson, right?
There's pretty much no way someone else jumps.
One of those. Two.
I think Chalen Wright has an outside shot, but it's those.
It's very likely those two. Chargers.
Blake corrum. Top of the second God.
Man, yeah, maybe. Please, no.
I can't handle the discourse of Corrin chargers in the second
round. Yeah, so.
I'm gonna end up trapped them. Any other thoughts on on Trey
Benson? I've been selecting the hell out
of him in Best Ball Drafts right now, but would love a a dynasty
share as well. Yeah, my running back model
says. My, my, one thing with Benson, I
actually flirted with having him as my RB1 and then I got nervous
because I'm not sure he goes well.
There's a very good chance he doesn't go second round and he's
this college committee back and Blair was looking at backfield
dominated rating which is such an awesome that and it's one of
these things where I mean you you've you've written about this
like backfield domino rating is not the biggest thing we need to
be concerned about with second round running backs or first
round running backs. We see all the time you know
college committee backs athletic, which Benson very much
is gets drafted high gets installed.
As a starter, we're good to go, but it's not the best sign for
dude who might be like a middle of the third round pit.
What if he comes in? What if he has to displace
someone who's good? He never really displaced
anybody. He's he's a committee back.
He didn't run a ton of routes. He didn't, you know, handle a
ton of the production. So that's I'm actually very,
really, really hyper focused on Benson's draft capital.
Obviously it matters a ton for every running back, but I think
it's going to sort of tell us what the NFL thinks he is in a
really important way. He if you want the FUD, he's
never had 1000 rushing yards and he tore his ACL his freshman
year. I think that's something that
goes really under the radar is he already has a torn ACL.
Not that that's, you know, not that he's going to have the same
issues in college, but it's certainly, you know, it's
certainly a a data point. Yep.
Ben on the clock with the 15th overall pick.
I don't really know what to do. It's probably a running back
pick. My boy Michael Pennix has been
not the next quarterback up, but he ran AA45 or something.
Galen hurts like Cam Newton's speed.
It shocked me. I would have put him at like
4-8. He ran like A455 or something.
Today in this pro day, I think you're gonna see him get
boosted, 'cause he doesn't. That doesn't go on film and
stuff, but people are like, oh, he's sneaky athletic, he doesn't
use his legs. So anyway, I think it would be
interesting. It wouldn't be weird to see him
in this range. Wasn't there some medical
concerns about him and that would?
Be big time medical concerns. Yeah big time medical concerns
for him and and he never really wanted to take hets even in the
pocket let alone like running the ball and never ran the ball.
He has a really low sack rate and I saw someone reference the
the good forty time and say that's maybe why he had a low
sack rate. No man the the low sack rate was
because every time someone came through the line he just threw
the ball away like it was he was not going to take a hit.
It wasn't like he was evading hits which is a a concern for me
and for the next level certainly.
But I'm going to go. I don't even have this guy
ranked as my next receiver, but I want to draft him, so I'm
going to. I'm going to take Xavier
Leggett. OK, nice.
Yeah, I like to. So his first Four Seasons, which
is a lot of time, it's all the years that you want to see
production and then one that you're already saying he should
have like been in the in the league by now.
He only ran like 500 total routes and wasn't good for
basically any of that until last year.
And then last year he ran about 400 routes and was really,
really good. His targets per outrun jumped up
a bunch into a solid range at a really high A dot with really
strong efficiency gave him, you know, a 3.15 yards per outrun.
It was as a fifth year guy. That's the concern.
Nothing prior to his fifth year is even like remotely good.
I mean, it's all very, very bad in his profile.
But Sean wrote about I'm going to quote the wrote of his guy
again wrote about how he was an athlete prospect out of college,
I mean out of high school and again didn't never ran more than
200 routes in any of his first Four Seasons.
So like probably was still learning the position a little
bit with a guy like this it's a little bit like the Chase
Claypool profile all that stuff. When we see these really late
breakouts we want the athleticism that's I'm stealing
that from Sean as well. I got to always quote him on on
all this stuff but it's like these guys have to have the
physical traits. The reason we don't love the
physical traits that don't have the production often is like you
couldn't produce at the college level against weaker
competition. You have that athleticism, then,
like, how's that going to manifest in the pros?
But what I'd like is that even though it was late, we did
finally see it manifest. We saw it manifest in some
volume earning ability. We saw it manifest in efficiency
after the volume earning as well.
I'm willing to sell myself a little bit that he needed time
to develop. I'm willing to sell myself on a
late breakout a little bit, 'cause his athleticism is so
dominant and it's the type of athleticism that whoever drafts
him is gonna be thinking about ways that he can tilt things
schematically for them offensively, like they're gonna
want to use them. I wasn't very like, this is a a
learning thing for me as well. Like Ron was saying a few years
back, I was really, really high on A.J.
Brown. I was not as high on DK Metcalf,
correspondingly cause DK Metcalf's rookie prospect
production wasn't that great. I don't think Leggette is
necessarily on DK Metcalf's level, but I think that was a
miss for me on Metcalf because I couldn't see that the team that
drafted him, the Seahawks, eventually we're going to be
like, this guy's an athletic freak, we're going to put him
out there. People have talked about
Metcalf's route tree not being very developed for years.
It doesn't really matter when you're that good of an athlete,
like you're still a better athlete than an NFL players as
long as you are a certain degree of producer is my is my
argument. And I think we'll get showed
enough in that fifth year that I want to I want to buy in a
little bit. I want to be.
I want to be in on this a little bit.
Yeah, it's fun. He is fun.
Can you add the note? I want to draft him, so I'm
going to. There we go.
All right, I'm on the clock with pick 16.
I kind of feel similar to how Pat felt with maybe his 80
Mitchell pick and that this isn't my favorite guy.
But I do think the draft capital is going to be there.
Feels like a million teams are going to fall in love with Ladd
Mcconkey. I feel like a weird profile,
too. I I was reading some of what
Gretch was writing about him today.
Obviously gets pigeonholed, but an an, an athlete and the draft
capital, like I said, gonna be there, can maybe play all over
the field, too, not just in the slot and then just kind of the
weird production profile. That kind of makes you a little
spooked about why he didn't earn more targets in college.
But if he goes back into the first round, I feel like getting
him at the top of the second round of a dynasty rookie draft
is going to feel pretty good. He's a dude.
I had ranked ahead of Leggette, but I just took Leggette, 'cause
I wanted to, yeah. I mean, that was the funner pick
for sure. He's a weird prospect and like I
would have taken him where where Ben was drafting too and the
chat looks like they wanted him, so everyone's excited about him.
But like he his statistical profile is is pretty bad, but
it's like he's really athletic. The the film evaluation on him
is like he wins kind of the way a lot of modern receivers are
winning. I did a podcast today with the
NBC guys and Denny was just like, I'm extremely confident
that this guy's going to produce fantasy points wherever he goes.
So let's drop that. One down.
Seems pretty fair. The the, the, the athletic stuff
or I mean, sorry, the production stuff is bad on a raw basis, but
part of that's 'cause he didn't run a lot of raps.
I mean, like his whole culture, 165 is freshman year, only 352
is sophomore year, which is far and away is highest and it's
still not very high. And then 148 last year is his
lowest but on a PER. Basis.
OK, on a per out basis, the targets per out run were good.
Efficiency's pretty strong high A dot the last two years like
Pete was saying like he gets like typecast as his white, you
know white receiver, but he's actually like 12 + a dot white
receiver. It's a little bit unique.
We don't see that a whole lot yards per out run over three
last year. Like I was just talking about
that, how good that you know is as far as a benchmark and he was
2.71 as a true freshman on the small route sample, not as great
as middle year when he had the the biggest route sample.
But like the per route stuff does make him more interesting.
I I think he's kind of a high floor guy too.
Like, I'm with Denny, where I'm like, he's gonna be, he's gonna
be good. He's not gonna be amazing, but
he's gonna be good. Yeah, all right, the chat.
I'm getting this poll ready for them.
Here we are about to see how united or divided they are.
Did seem like they had a consensus on the three to vote
on. They got wide receiver Keon
Coleman, wide receiver Roman Wilson and running back Jalen
Wright as their options here. You guys have thoughts about
this decision for the chat? I mean I think it's very tight I
I don't I actually have Ladd, Coleman and Wilson all
back-to-back to back in my ranks.
So I would I would be leaning to one of the receivers, but.
I think I'd be going QB oh 'cause you're it's it's Ron
versus the chat in the next 4 picks.
I think I'd be in the QBI. I I mean I'm seeing like if you
go to grinding the mocks like they're saying that Nyx and and
and some of the mocks I've been seeing have have Bonex going
like 12. I was talking up Penex cause of
his his forty time I think he might rise.
Grinding the mocks has their average averages.
Bonex at 15, Michael Penex at 19.4.
Like, these are guys that are gonna go on like the Mack Jones
range and probably get a chance to start early.
It's a pretty good Superflex second round pick, right pat.
Yeah, no, I I kind of liked Nyx. I came out of the my quarterback
evaluations being and and I probably irritated some JJ
McCarthy fans with with the Knicks comment.
But I actually think Nyx is like kind of good.
Like he's not like great, but like is a if you're trying to
like plug in a a dude in a system like Sean Payton's, you
can kind of make the make the throws and execute it and you
know he can throw in the middle field.
Like he's not amazing at anything.
But I wouldn't be shocked if he went twelve.
I think Denver, like Denver's in a spot where they like have to
do something. If what they have to do is sit
tight and take a quarterback, like I think they'll just, you
know eat that. That's that's kind of what the
position. Makes sense.
See what you're What do you get out of him this year while you
have the 48 million dead cap or whatever?
And if you hit on it, great. You build around that for the
rest of his rookie deal. If not, you weren't.
You needed a cheap quarterback this year anyway 'cause you have
all this dead money at QB already.
And if that comes, if that materializes, like we just all
passed on Sean Payton's first round quarterback.
He has no drew duties. Dudes, none of us really like
that much. Oh God.
And everything about Nyx, that's the knock.
Is that all he did was throw underneath?
And Sean Payne's like, that's my whole offense.
That's my whole thing. Since fucking 22,000.
Five I literally I can't be bothered to get Marvin Menzel on
the field 'cause he runs routes too far.
The chat we're dumping Jalen Wright.
He was losing in the poll, but Keon Coleman and Roman Wilson
were neck and neck. So we now need to see what these
Roman Wilson or sorry, Jalen Wright drafters want to do here.
And I will not put air percentages from that last poll
in this time to confuse us. Keon Coleman versus Roman versus
Roman Wilson here. Where do you guys think for for
these rookie drafts in general? I mean, we talked through a few
of the tear breaks, you know, after 10 for JJ McCarthy.
Do you think we're like after these next three picks another
pretty big tear gap or is this smoother for you guys?
After these or for these I think.
After these next three picks. Yeah, I'm.
Talking about the QBs, 'cause I think it's pretty flat, like
that's where I'm like you got to insert these middle of the first
round QBs. If they do get that's I would be
there. Now is what I.
Think it's a short day? Yeah.
I think there are a few other guys that I would have in about
the same tier as Coleman and Wilson and Wright.
Yeah, yeah, it looks like. Let's see if we can get a few
more votes in Keon Coleman, 59% of the votes right now.
Wide receiver Roman Wilson, Thank you to everyone watching
along and voting tonight, and thank you to Ron and Blair
joining us. This is a fun annual tradition
and can't wait for a year to look back and see which of.
The I'm getting, Ron, I know you're into March Madness and
you're missing it. I want to get your thoughts on
did you have a lot of Arizona, 'cause I certainly.
Did I had them in a couple brackets but I did.
I've had a pretty brutal I had a brutal betting first round, but
I I did have Clemson +7 and money line, so just.
Oh wow. I mean just something to.
Know they have a They have a good team, man.
Just something to know. Just something to know.
There you go. Nailed the upset of the of the
day. No big deal.
It looks like, yeah, we only have 40 votes right now.
This is, it's our viewers keep going up and the votes go down.
I don't know. How that's.
That's happening. Exercise your right to democracy
chat here. I am going to lock this up for
Keon Coleman though to keep us moving even though Roman making
a bit of a search why he said that locked in he was getting
too close. It's getting past by bedtime
We're we we got to start to speed this bad boy up here.
That's right. Anyone have takes on Keon
Coleman? I like Keon Coleman.
I like him. I wanted.
I wanted him at this 18 pick. He's going to be a top 50 pick
in the NFL. The contested catch stuff is
there, but like, he's almost, he's almost like a discounted
version of your, you know, your contested catch guys of your
Quan Johnston's like, everyone's scared off of the profile.
Sure, I understand why. But you know, he is one of these
guys. Like, I feel like he is one of
those kind of like vintage rotoviz where he's like, vague,
right? He's like what, like 215 lbs,
six, three. The contested catch stuff isn't
great but he is also this like he he's very young.
He played at Michigan State like he almost reminds me of Drake
London who also had a a pretty high contested catch rate you
know compared to what we're comfortable with.
And then like this this is a little bit like not great.
But he he did well at the combine man where like he didn't
run fast but he had the fastest gauntlet run where he ran 20 mph
in the gauntlet when they're firing balls at you.
And each side is like pretty damn impressive top five numbers
in terms of mph tracking for all the different routes.
So he has a lot of confidence in his hands.
He seems like one of these guys are just like on a not on a
different level as an athlete but he's a great jumper.
He, you know, has the basketball background.
He's young. He has some drip to him as well
where he like. You can see pictures of him
wearing 2 mouthpieces which I love you know leg sleeve going.
He was taking punt returns as well as like a four, six guy
which gives you some Nikhil Harry Vibes.
I know he did that at Arizona State.
But you know you're not paying top five.
You know, he, he looks like Nikhil Harry, you know Quentin
Johnston, but you're not paying top half of the first round.
So anytime in the second round that I see Keon Coleman, I like
him because if he hits in the correct way, he could be kind of
what we're hoping Drake London is.
Guys, is that the first time that the term drip has been used
on ship chasing, I think? Dude, I I'm, I'm trying not to
get passed by here as an analyst and.
We're feeling kind of old right now.
Yeah, no, that's weird. The boomers, you know.
And I mean, it's the second time today what who's?
I can't remember stuff. I think it was Denny was
talking, yeah, Denny was talking about Ricky Pearsall with his
hair, that he's, he's got some of the best hair, best hairline
and he takes the helmet off and his hair is perfectly quaffed
still. So great tattoos, great tattoos.
So there's a couple guys that have drip.
Yeah, I mean, only welcome. Had a ton of it.
Yeah, yeah, that's that's the delivery of the guy who's about
to be a dad here. Pete I wanna I wanna nominate a
a quote though I I heard discount Quinton Johnson in
there, which I think is a real strong argument for for taking
Keon Coleman here. Yeah.
Strong argument for taking him. I'm coming back for more.
I'm coming. Back for more.
Yeah, he's. He's taking.
On 80 Mitchell, too, it's a similar profile.
Right it is. It's reminiscent of 80 for sure.
Yeah. All right, at pick 18, the Riz
God himself, Ron, is, is on the clock.
Look that one up on Urban Dictionary, Pat.
I've heard it. I've heard it isn't baby croc
got the Riz. Is that?
Yeah, baby Croc got the most riz of anyone.
Who I will be taking here is Bonex.
Pretty much pencil him in as Sean Payton's first round
quarterback. Everyone's going to look stupid
here, and I have. I have one stat to present to
you guys. I love Bow Nicks to you.
Like, like, he had a really awful stretch at Auburn, but
like, still not terrible if you kind of peel back the currents a
little bit. Like his pressure to sack stuff
there wasn't terrible. He doesn't take bad sacks.
He plays somewhat smart. And The thing is that's very
discounted with him is his rushing ability is very
underrated. The stat that I'll present to
you is that both of them played five years.
Jaden Daniels has 34 rushing touchdowns.
Bow Nicks has 38 third first of my database.
He has a huge huge like red zone ability to rush.
He was a dual threat coming out of high school as like a five
star recruit. I think that he has a lot more
move and wiggle than we're giving him credit for.
So he's really not all that like my like you know I'll push the
glasses in for a second. My my model like absolutely
loves him like it. It thinks it should be should be
like a top 12 pick but also is an account for COVID year.
So you know you can look at it either way.
My model likes them too. Pete, were you trying to spell
Rizz there? Let's What were you trying to
spell? No.
That's that's let's ride. But this is the kids
pronunciation. It's a little Internet slang
there. A little Russell Wilson call
back. No.
Yeah.
So do you you think you think it's programmed Bonex to the
Broncos there? For the for the integrity of
this mock, I'll just, I'll you know I'll take the fall and I'll
I'll just like conservatively put them there.
All right, I like it. The the chat Mac Nova here is
list trying to list out who but who you guys should.
Oh, it's the Jetavion Sanders guy.
Got it. OK.
Yeah. I was like, Who's JT Sanders?
I haven't seen the JT moniker, but it's the the the longer
name. Got it.
Let me give, let me give one more stat here with Bonex
pressure to Saccharate's been something that's like that's I I
mentioned that's the only WI can take as Anthony Richardson last
year, I mentioned it last year with Andy Richardson.
He has like an uncandidated ability to not get sacked.
Andy Richardson's pressure to saccharate 9.9% Mahomes 11.3%
Boenix 11.6% second lowest in the class behind Michael Pennix,
so he avoids sax. He does everything pretty
correctly. Like, I don't know that he'll be
a first round startup pick, but I do like Nicks if he gets the
capital and the opportunity to start.
I mean I had a little fun in my write up of him but I I was like
if I told you that Nicks has a little Mahomes to his game you'd
be like what the fuck? But he and he does He when he
when you were talking about the highs of their games they he
does not at all. But he does have the consistent
lack of lows which is a huge part of Mahomes game and
something that probably doesn't get enough love in Mahomes game.
And one of the reasons that I think that Caleb Williams comps
to Mahomes. You know not the people saying
he's Mahomes but do keep that in mind with Williams that he does
not. He does not have that part.
He has the highs not the consistent lack of lows.
It's going to be a little bit more frustrating for sure, but
Knicks avoids mistakes really, really well.
And I I do think if that's if he goes in the first round, I think
that that's going to be, you know why Probably Sean Payton
feels comfortable making that bet.
All right, after a brief dust up and confusion in the chat, of
which there have been many tonight, we did just settle on
Roman Wilson, who was not too far behind Kian Coleman in that
last vote. Any takes from the panel on
Roman Wilson here? Good pick.
Chat So I like me too. Is that you were hoping he'd
fall to you then? No, no, I I just was talking
shit to the chat. I actually didn't write him up
today. I only wrote up the the top ten
and grinding the mocks. He wasn't there for for draft
Capital and what they're listing right now.
So I think he's expected to be like the 11th.
Receiver though I was looking at some of the additional names and
making some extra notes, but I didn't do like a deep dive into
him yet. I think all these guys in the
Michigan passing offense are just, you kind of have to take
their numbers with a little bit of a grain of salt.
You know, I was a little disappointed Wilson didn't
didn't do better at the combine than he did, but I still like
him. Really.
Didn't he have a 439? What?
Oh I know, but he there was talk
about him doing like low 4 threes and running a 6.5
something three cone. OK, he did.
He did well. But it it was just, you know,
the hype was. 'Cause he's kind of small,
right? And he's not like a the gap for
the catch guy and you want him to just be an Uber athlete.
He's a little Mcconkey task. It's kind of like this.
He's a similar Clive to Mcconkey.
All right, Ron, pick 20. What you gonna do here?
I'm just going to take two swings and hope one of these
quarterbacks get drafted in the first round.
So give me Michael Panics here, We'll see if he gets drafted in
the first round. I'm I'm going to be honest with
you, Gretch. I'm very bummed that you said
like the 40 doesn't really matter for his pressure to sack
rate, 'cause that would have been great for my narrative to
be like. Wow.
What is the 40? And like, yes, he doesn't
scramble, but he has the lowest pressure to sack rate in my
database. But you kind of said more or
less that it's because he's a pussy.
He doesn't want to get hit it. It's kind of the Tank Man.
The Acls are an issue but he does.
I have like I I don't grind film but like outside of Joe Milton
he has like probably the best arm in the class like it's it's
up there with everybody. So he's fun.
He has kind of an excuse for why he stayed in school so long that
the ACL's and kind of like weird stuff with Indiana.
And I think I think the Bower came with him from Indiana.
Was that is that true Gretsch where the Bower came with them
or maybe Grubbs one of the two he.
They they both. I believe they both.
Or maybe it was just Deborah, but he Deborah was his OC while
he was at Indiana early on. Then Depor went to Fresno State
for a few years. Then Deport came to UW and he
came to play under him because they had that history at Indiana
like early. Like, I think Pennix is true
freshman year. The issue is his floor is like
Carson Strong. If you guys remember him, he
like came out of like Utah State huge arm statue guy and just
like retired like a year ago. So that's kind of what you're
dealing with. All right, Blair, take 21.
All right, let's go. A guy we've talked about a
little, Jalen Wright. I thought maybe there was a
chance he would fall to me. Yeah, he's, I think he's
probably the end of a tier for me and I probably would have
taken him even ahead of like the last I.
Don't know. Five guys who have gone.
But. Yeah.
Just the the low key. A lot of lot of really shitty
picks. You guys got the chat, Rod?
Yeah, the other chat just got a flame.
Audie. No.
I mean, yeah, those guys are good.
But Jay Lenard is also. A good guy, the.
Not a good recovery, me either. Yeah.
Man, I'm torn, 'cause I think there's a lot of different ways
I could go here. I could reach for another wide
receiver that I love. I could crank purple with a
tight end, and then there's a couple running backs that I
could select here. I I want some more running back
love. I've been drafting this guy a
bunch. Right now I'm going to take
Braylon Allen. I get the feeling that he could
be, you know, the 3rd or 4th running back off the board.
I could see him potentially being a guy that finds his way
into one of those nice landing spots.
You know, whether that's like the Chargers, the Cowboys, the
Raiders, kind of a big back. Davis has told me all kinds of
glowing things about Braylon Allen that I'm starting to buy
into a little bit. But yeah, just wanted to to have
some fun and draft a running back for once in this goddamn
mock draft. I hate that he ducked the 40
twice. I would have liked to see him
run at 235 lbs like a speed score.
You. Know like, even if he had, even
if he had run like a four six, that still would have been a
decent speed score at 2:00. Yeah, that would have been fine.
Yeah. All right.
I'll make. It very young, it's like 19.
Maybe, yeah. I think the youngest, maybe the
youngest player at any position in the draft.
Yep. Do you I I mean I guess we could
figure it out with some it picks here if it Pat and Ben but you
guys have are you would you guys be Quorum or Marshawn Lloyd or
someone over Braylon. Yeah, I would.
But I think Braylon Allen gives you a bigger hit if he hits like
he's a big dude and you know, he's really young.
So like if he if he gets draft capital and a team you know kind
of installs him, I I'm not betting against him at that
point. It's just he feels very binary
to me, like if the NF LS like no, we're not that into it, then
he could just be nothing. Yeah.
All right, Pat, you are on the clock.
Second to last pick here. What's it gonna be for you?
This is tough. This is definitely tough.
There's a a few different directions pull up the old model
here. I'm.
I'm actually legitimately torn on what to do because to me,
it's I. Have no idea after you.
There's not even like a. If you take this that I can do
this like I have no idea what to do either.
I'm going to take. Far down the rankings I'm.
Going to take Jetavion Sanders, although I think he just had a
really bad Did he have a bad Pro day?
Combine wasn't great. I think it was 40 was sort of
slow for what people were hoping for.
Yeah. Yeah. 6/9 at 2:45.
No take backs. Take it back.
Can I take it back? You can let me, I want to take
it back and take quorum well. The record is going to show you
know what we're going to now come on, hang on.
Actually, Gretsch gets to decide.
He can have quorum. I don't want.
I don't want Blake fucking quorum.
The the the the athleticism on Sanders not coming in well is is
enough where I I just want Quorum who is the opposite of
Braylon Allen where he's just like gonna do stuff NFL coaches
like and he's probably gonna have enough draft capital he's
gonna get a role probably pretty quickly He was he was coming off
an injury last year right. And so that that I think makes
his pretty uninspiring rushing production a little bit better.
But yeah, I mean he's he's kind of a he sort of profiles it as a
undersized plotter. But I think he's versatile
enough that I forget now who said this but Devin Singletary
was was floated by someone as a comp and that's that's your
upside case. And you know, in a similar way
where Devin Singletary had no season, have you felt like you
ever really had a hit? But he just keeps putting fancy
points in your line up. I think that's kind of what
you're hoping to get here with, Blake Horn.
He had one of the better three cone times at the combine, so I
think you know the idea of him just being a plotter maybe isn't
completely accurate. The the other thing too about
these guys who are projected to get, you know, top five running
back capital, is whichever one of these lands the Chargers in
the Cowboys spot specifically. If it doesn't happen to be one
of the first couple of guys off the board.
I mean we we, how many times have we seen this movie in
Dynasty drafts? They will be like the 110 or 111
in drafts if you're the Cowboys or Chargers in Blake quorum.
Everyone loves connecting those dots.
But yeah, like Blake Quorum's going to go 10 picks earlier
than this if he goes to the Chargers.
It's important with quorum too is like he looks like a Potter,
but he had this knee injury where he like had a torn
meniscus or something heading into this year like his.
He was actually really efficient before then where he went from
5.9 yards per carrier to 4.8 three .35 yards at the contact
per attempt to 2.42 which is pretty brutal.
Like was flirting with 30% missed tackles force per attempt
down to like 11.6%. So he still had production and
he had like I think he would set the record for like most
touchdowns for Michigan or whatever.
But before that looks like he had some juice.
That kind of comes down to his age and thinking that he can
rebound to that former form or not.
All right, Ben. Mr. Irrelevant.
I do like this comment from from Cody that he wanted me to take
Sanders so we can give him the 4th annual Jalen Weidermeyer
Award. One of my initial loves.
Hey, but last year I redeemed myself.
Sam Laporta with pick 23. You.
Sure. Did Pat, Pat.
What was the take on Marshawn Lloyd when we were watching this
film last week? He runs like he's panicked.
He runs. Like, yeah, the Isaiah Pacheco.
Like. It was Isaiah Pacheco.
I thought it was a favorable cop.
It was not a favorable cop. I'm gonna take.
I'll just. I think I'll just take Marshawn
Lloyd. I was going to take this Ben
Senat out of this other tight end is kind of kind of cool.
Yeah. Well.
You want to do it that has right when I'm.
Typing it in. Take that.
No, because that has a risk of going like a sixth round pick
and being the wider mire. So I'll just take Marshawn
Lloyd. If it's safer.
I'll look back and be less less concerned about what I was
thinking. There you.
Go how about this to to close it out on I I'm going to let the
chat have pick 25 and then and then it's done chat One final
heated battle here. Who do you guys want?
I thought. I thought maybe you'd go Pierce
all there Ben. But I don't.
I don't know what his I'm. Saying McMillan do.
You like, do you? Do you have a preference between
the two Washington receivers after a doonsay between Polk and
McMillan? I've said Polk a few times,
sticking into their numbers a little bit.
I think I've come to the conclusion that I I I actually,
I don't think either of them's gonna be particularly good at
the NFL level. I think, to be fair, I think
I've come to the conclusion that if one of them hits in a big way
that it's gonna be McMillan. He's not good after the catch.
He's unreliable with hands, but he does run good routes.
He's athletic. I think he could be a guy who
just wins on on on getting open enough.
Polk is your more traditional outside big bodied good
receiver. I like him.
He's good at contest. It catches all that stuff.
But like you never earned targets at a good clip per
route. He's not going to be.
I mean he's there's your Josh Palmer like you know profile
like at best probably if he gets the opportunity that Palmer's
gone and ran enough routes, he's probably not going to earn
enough targets. He's a stud, like with the ball
in his hands, he always makes big plays in big spots.
Like he's a fun dude to watch. But for fantasy like that
doesn't matter. You know, you got to be able to
like earn a lot of volume. And so anyway, I always really
loved Jalen Polk. He was a guy I always like,
loved cheering on and watching. He always made big plays.
He also disappeared for whole games.
Well, like we had this theory, 'cause he's he's from Texas that
he like can't catch in the rain that we played Oregon State this
past year in the rain down in wherever Beaverton or whatever
the wherever the hell their school is.
And I I think he had no catches in like 3 drops in that game.
He was like really bad at that game.
So if he goes to some like Northern City, if he goes to
like the Browns or the Patriots or something where they play
outdoors, don't take Jalen Bull. That's that's my one little
weird weird note. I this is the chat right now is
throwing a lot of shit against the wall.
But I am. I am honing this down to just a
2 horse race here. This is what it's going to be
for the final pick, Ricky Pearsall, which seems fairly,
you know, rational for Isaac Gruendo.
Isaac Gruendo is getting so much love in the chat right now guys.
He's fun. I almost He's the two that blew
up the combine. Right, He's fun.
He has the highest running back freak score of any running back
in our database. Wow.
How far back does that go? Oh man, I probably 2005.
So like 4. Years old.
Saquan Barkley, Only I. Was four years old.
The other aspect to Gorendo is everyone has blue balls on him
'cause you can't draft him in the big board, so there's extra
enthusiasm to be able to get Gorendo on his squad.
Are there other guys you all thought like, who else were you
considering with these last five picks?
That Ben Sinat Tight end? Bucky Irving on my list?
People like that Audrey. I don't know.
How do you say his name? Audrey.
Guzman, Jersey boy. Yeah, couple of those dudes.
You guys that wrote up as like this Devante's Walker guy from
UNC. Quite a bit.
Yeah, he looks interesting. Yeah, Walker.
'S kind of interesting. He had a pretty good combine.
He was kind of deep thread at UNC.
I think the the kind of the major knock on him is that he
was a four year player who really didn't do much in his
first. Oh no, that's wrong.
I'm thinking of some. I'm thinking of somebody else.
Yeah, he is. He's he's kind of old, started
at Kent State and was crazy productive there before
transferring to North Carolina. Weird transfer issue.
He did. He wasn't.
It wasn't clear if he was going to play for North Carolina.
And so he wasn't even really like, I don't think he was even
practicing with the first team. He was practicing, but they were
like, yes, this sucks. You're not going to have
eligibility And then they, he got eligibility like halfway
through the season. But his what I've heard is from
the film guys that his routes and stuff were a lot smoother
yet at Kent State and that he kind of was just, it was a
little bit like playground ballish.
He's a deep threat. He doesn't add much after the
catch at all but he can win deep kind of outside just like down
the field guy. But yeah, he's a he's a tricky
eval because of all the the transfer stuff.
Yeah. What's the deal with Bucky
Irving? Back combine right?
Yeah, not super athletic, not that big.
Kind of like, he's not like an amazing receiver, but like, he's
sort of in that receiving back mold.
I mean, I guess he. Caught 56 passes, right and.
Yeah, it wasn't super inefficient though.
Yeah, right, 1.39 yards per route run.
That's not bad. But you know, if that's like
your calling card, I'm not impressed.
But yeah, he's. I don't know.
Like he's kind of in this group of running backs who, like,
never does anything except he kind of resembles Kyron Williams
well. Pete's muted he's.
Muted He's talking. We're having a good time just
sitting in childhood. What I was trying to say God, I
was firing off some hot takes. There but I.
Guess they're all just in the show.
That was for the members. Yeah, exactly.
Rod Blair, thank you for joining us for this new annual
tradition. We did miss JJ, but the chat
they did their best to fill in for his big shoes.
I would say Ron, what do you, what do you got going on these
days over on your YouTube channel?
Just draft stuff. Dynasty stuff.
It's all dynasty over there. I do.
I do stream like best ball content sometimes.
Really anything. Fantasy football's on the
channel. Ron Stewart.
It's just Ron Stewart on the YouTube And yeah I I'll drop
everything. Even March Madness the hop on a
podcast with Pete overs that in the in the gang over here.
So it's always fun hopping on here you guys.
You know you keep it light. It's fun.
We're joking around. It's not very it's not a chore
to be on here. Unless you're talking about bone
Nicks. And then things get real.
Serious. Things get.
Steamy. Blair Rotaviz rookie guide out.
I've been enjoying that. What else can people look
forward to? Yeah, Rookie Guide is out.
We got the third one coming after the draft, so watch out
for that. I'm going to have probably some
fun wrong reads coming out over the next few days, so stay tuned
for those. We got a lot of good work going
up on the site, some new writers that are doing some awesome
work. So yeah, it's an exciting
offseason for Rotaviz. Gretch, you just had a big post
breaking down the rookie wide receivers for stealing signal
Subs. Anything else on the horizon?
Going to talk through some of that with Sean on some some
recording tomorrow that will come out on the Stealing Bananas
feed next week. I won't be writing or anything
next week because I'm driving my ass.
Well, my family to to Disneyland.
So yeah, I'm awesome. Oh yeah.
That's awesome. And yeah, we're going to have a
bit of a mishmash schedule coming up over the next few
weeks. Some episodes where Gretch will
be out, couple where Pat will be out, and then we all will
reconvene for our annual round one NFL draft hang.
But yeah, we're still going to have shows for you guys over
these next few weeks. We'll book some guests and
continue talking these rookies in advance of the draft.
Yeah, I've got my rookie stuff gonna be out before April 9th.
All of my will be on legendary upside.
Yeah, so I've got running backs, wide receivers and tight ends
getting that all rolling out. Talking with Matthew Betts on
Monday, talking through some of the injury situations like Nick
Chubb, excited about that. And then, yeah, I'll be from the
9th until the night of the draft.
I'll be out of out of the Commission, taking some time
off, but back from the draft. That'll be a glorious return for
the draft party. I already can't wait.
Yeah, they'll have some big cadarius Tony energy.
I'm sure. For me, I have another video out
on the Deposit Kingdom YouTube channel.
I went through all of the top pass catchers, the with underdog
ADPS and dreamed up the best possible landing spots and then
tried to predict where their ADP would end up if they hit that
dream landing spot. And it was kind of a informative
exercise for trying to actually figure out how much of the
upside is already priced in to some of these guys, and who are
the ones where there actually could be even more meat on the
bone if they get an awesome landing spot.
So if you guys have been drafting, I think you'll enjoy
that video over on the Deposit Kingdom YouTube channel.
Otherwise, yeah, that's it for me.
Very fun night chat. I will post your team on on X
and we can let you know the court of public opinion.
Decide who ultimately won this mock draft.
We'll see you guys next time on Ship Chasing peace.