1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:05,400 We're back for Thursday afternoon offseason ship chasing 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:08,360 and today we are going to pull up the AD PS We started to 3 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:10,440 reference them a little bit last week. 4 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:13,800 We now have the big board officially launched on underdog. 5 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,200 So we are going to take a little stroll through the ADP 6 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:18,080 landscape. What strikes us as good, what 7 00:00:18,080 --> 00:00:20,400 strikes us as bad, all of that stuff. 8 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:24,680 Gretsch has been fresh off of his targets per route run series 9 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:27,440 over on stealing signals. Pat has been in the lab over at 10 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:29,120 legendary upside with their rankings. 11 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:33,240 So all kinds of good fodder for conversation and nitpicking 12 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,880 these AD PS I'm Pete, this is ship chasing. 13 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:40,760 Let's do it. Pat Fryer, Helmo. 14 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:43,880 This is what This is what I'm Pat. 15 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:45,520 Anita Hand. Job. 16 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:49,320 Fix your sight Jamar alpha play chase. 17 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,840 You can't handle the heat. It looks like we're finally at 18 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:55,560 this point. You're right. 19 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:05,120 All right. We're back in the lab. 20 00:01:05,519 --> 00:01:13,520 Let me get the background updated here we are live on 21 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:15,040 ship. Ji just realized I hadn't been 22 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,400 doing our overlays the past couple weeks. 23 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,800 I've been I've been rusty here, but it. 24 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,240 Was it before? What are we open with? 25 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,080 Well, no, no, I I just didn't do this. 26 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:27,600 It looked like it was just like that. 27 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:29,320 And I have. These fancy little boxes. 28 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,880 God, God it. Makes us look very professional. 29 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:35,240 I'm laughing because I I hadn't checked. 30 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:39,680 I hadn't seen this conversation this morning in our our playoff 31 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:41,320 basketball God, have you guys seen? 32 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:46,360 That yeah, talking ourselves into some absurd Super Bowl 33 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:48,120 outcomes that will win US the tournament. 34 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:52,320 Yeah, I I haven't even weighed in because like, I just don't 35 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,800 want to kick Leonie Wise down like after the whole Dills 36 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,400 losing the Super Bowl. But yeah, like Gretch said, 37 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:01,960 they're going to run Sims on like our odds of winning under 38 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:05,880 like very specific circumstances like KC Defense outscoring 39 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:12,160 Kelsey by 8 and Worthy by 5. I'm just. 40 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:13,760 Going to let up. I'm not going to I'm. 41 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:17,120 Not well, but they're doing the same thing basically, Yeah, I'm 42 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:21,160 just going to if a kicker if a Casey saw fade becomes optimal 43 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,080 in A33 Gamer Super. Bowl, we're going to win. 44 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:30,040 All the money will win, yeah. I think he put the odds in it, 45 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,240 so it was 7.1. Then he added the worthy thing 46 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,160 and it came down 2.8. So let's say, I think it came 47 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,560 down to what we have about a 4% chance. 48 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,560 That seems way too high for what we have. 49 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:43,360 I know. I, I I'll take it. 50 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:47,240 I'll take that 4% chance is pretty sweet for what we need to 51 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:48,520 happen. Yeah. 52 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,160 And you know, it's, you know, I don't think I'm going to make a 53 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:55,880 big bet or anything on the game. I like the idea of my like big 54 00:02:55,920 --> 00:03:00,600 interest is just the KCDST for me having a big game. 55 00:03:00,640 --> 00:03:04,200 Would it be shocking if they had multiple return touched? 56 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,200 I mean yes it would, but like. It could be, it could happen 57 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,760 like very shy, especially because like the Eagles, don't 58 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:13,400 throw the ball. The Eagles. 59 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,440 OK, but what if? What if Kansas City runs back 60 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,360 the opening kick for a TD? At what point? 61 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:19,520 Because that's when I go. That's when. 62 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:24,560 Honestly, the way this is gone, I'll start tilting the bucker 63 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:26,640 points. If they if the DSTS going, we're 64 00:03:26,640 --> 00:03:28,720 like we're going to need bucker, Bucker's the one we need. 65 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,480 Yeah, field goals. Only we're also going to be 66 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,920 like, it is kind of funny the way the Chief stuff has. 67 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,920 I mean, not that many people use Pacheco either, but it's like 68 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,840 every Kareem Hunt touchdowns good, every Juju Smith Shuster 69 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:46,680 touchdowns good. Like when you're fading the big 70 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,160 dogs, those random pieces are actually really nice. 71 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,280 But the Kelsey thing, I mean the only reason this really popped 72 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,000 up is because he had like 2 catches for 15 yards in the last 73 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:56,600 round. Like with tight end premium, he 74 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,880 has to have another game where he catches 2 balls for 15 yards 75 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,640 right? Like it's so hard to beat to 76 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:04,520 beat him otherwise. It it. 77 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:08,000 Let's not forget too, the opposing tight end that just 78 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:11,640 faced this Eagles defense earned 16 fucking targets last week. 79 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:20,120 So 4% is right other than that. We're in good shape. 80 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:25,520 So Pat, you've been, you're, you're already in the big board 81 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:27,400 streets. I, I assume Gretchen and I are 82 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,840 aligned in that neither of us have done a big board draft, but 83 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:32,560 Pat, I'm guessing you can't say the same. 84 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:37,080 I cannot say the same. Let me let me see how many 85 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,640 drafts I've done. Completed drafts. 17 big board 86 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:42,200 drafts in the books. Wow. 87 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,400 Any slogs are all fat, they're all fast. 88 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:48,520 I think he. Is 122. 89 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,040 Sorry, I'm just right now looking at ADP's. 90 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:53,880 Who's ADP? Travis ETN. 91 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,360 Yeah. Really late on ETN, I've been 92 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:01,960 taking ETN, yeah. One 22122 I didn't. 93 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:04,000 Even get that far? On my show on Monday I started 94 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:05,920 scrolling through some of these. I didn't even get that far. 95 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,000 That's nuts. He he started much lower. 96 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:13,400 He started in like the one 40s. People think Bigsby, like, took 97 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,800 his job this year, which is just not a thing that actually 98 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:16,800 happened. He's not. 99 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,520 Yeah, it's not a lot of the early down stuff, but ETN was 100 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:23,080 always playing more snaps and was injured and like what? 101 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:24,880 Now they have Liam Cohen. What are we doing? 102 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,320 I don't know. I mean I do I did want like his 103 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,240 I was going to about to have like a really big bag on ETN and 104 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,840 I did go look at his efficiency this past year and it is bad and 105 00:05:34,840 --> 00:05:36,480 it is a super deep running back class. 106 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:39,560 So if you think about like, this guy could lose his job pretty 107 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:41,760 easily over the course of the year, and the fact they brought 108 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,760 in Cohen is not necessarily good for a running back who's had two 109 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,480 bad years in a row. You know, they might be looking 110 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:49,320 for a new guy. And there's lots of guys, 111 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:51,360 there's so many guys in this draft box that could like 112 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,240 outperform what ETN's done do. You think the guy going right 113 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,000 ahead of him is somebody that could lose his job? 114 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:02,440 Also dude. Rico Dowdle is a free agent like 115 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:04,680 this. This is the so on a lot of these 116 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,720 AB PS we have you know, we're tied to the ADP. 117 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:11,000 We don't want to like go too far not on Rico Dowdle. 118 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,960 Rico Dowdle is arguably the worst pick in the entire player 119 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,280 pool and you guys know of someone I was into. 120 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:19,280 So it's the last year. So it's like hardly like I have 121 00:06:19,280 --> 00:06:21,760 a bias against I still. Got to nominate Pacheco for that 122 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,400 one, but. Oh, Pacheco very much. 123 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:26,240 We have him. Newt. 124 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:28,840 Newt. I mean he's, I think I took him 125 00:06:28,840 --> 00:06:31,840 for the first time at like think 119 and I was like, what's he 126 00:06:31,840 --> 00:06:34,720 doing here? Because his ADP is like 60 127 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:36,080 something. Look at this ADP Gretsch. 128 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:39,440 He's at 72. It's. 129 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,040 Out by Kareem Hunt right now. ADP is 72. 130 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,320 He's literally not even a starter on his own team in the 131 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:47,400 playoffs and it's a super deep running back class. 132 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:53,520 So but Dowdle, yeah, Dowdle we have at 163 and his ADP is 120. 133 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,400 I don't, I don't get it. Like he's. 134 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,120 That's weird, yeah. He's not on the top like you go 135 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:03,480 look at like ESPN plus like what they have the free agency class 136 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:05,840 ranked like top 50 free agents. He's not in there. 137 00:07:05,840 --> 00:07:08,480 He's in like the honorable mentions, but he's behind Aaron 138 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:13,360 Jones, well behind Najee Harris. Like he's probably a backup 139 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,520 running back next year, but we don't know behind who. 140 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:21,240 At some point I could see myself drafting him, but I don't know. 141 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,280 I don't know. It's just a really weird ADP. 142 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,240 This one I saw you're right up on on Pacheco and thought that 143 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,320 was that was sharp for sure. He's way overpriced, way 144 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:32,400 overpriced. Yeah, that I, I mean, we're, 145 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:34,880 we're just going to popcorn around here, guys. 146 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:37,560 Anything that stands out to us because kind of like Gretsch, 147 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,680 some of these I'm seeing for the first time, like, oh, go ahead. 148 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,320 Naji Harris. Naji Harris is one that I think 149 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:45,920 is undervalued. And again, I did not expect to 150 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:51,200 be the Naji Harris Bull, But like, he is a free agent and 151 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,440 there are some really good landing spots where you could 152 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:58,760 have him form a committee with, you know, with a rookie and 153 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:03,400 potentially where he kind of just gets fed his. 154 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:07,200 Style of the question, Yeah, yeah, no, when I saw the ETN 155 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:08,880 thing, I, I picked on Dowdle instead. 156 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,520 I saw Harris's name. He's always our our foil, right? 157 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:13,920 Like, but I was like, I don't really want to pick on Harris at 158 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,800 a 122 ADP. His style of back is the style 159 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:21,480 of back that benefited so much this year with the lighter. 160 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,280 We've had a progression over multiple years with the lighter 161 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:25,960 linebackers, lighter defenders, right? 162 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,280 We saw we see rushing boost. I wrote about this a little bit 163 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:33,360 in my like my whatever biggest thoughts from the 2024 season 164 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:34,960 article right after the season ended. 165 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:39,520 But I felt like the lighter, faster, more explosive backs 166 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,919 didn't necessarily benefit from this particular feature. 167 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,920 But we had bigger backs that were just like 10% better than 168 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,680 you'd expect, which included like Brian Robinson had a great 169 00:08:48,680 --> 00:08:50,680 year. Zach Charbonnet was sort of 170 00:08:50,680 --> 00:08:53,760 better than Walker, who Walker's heavier than you think, but he's 171 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,880 that style of back. There's several other ones that 172 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:58,720 I use as examples. I can't recall right off the 173 00:08:58,800 --> 00:08:59,960 top. Dave Montgomery had another 174 00:08:59,960 --> 00:09:02,120 really strong year. It's like all these dudes, Joe 175 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,320 Mixon is always like played lighter than he is, but finally 176 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,800 like looked like for a part of the year for Houston that back 177 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:12,880 that was like a size speed, actual like positive, right, 178 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,160 Because there's dudes in the secondary, these lighter 179 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:17,520 defenders that don't want to block you on the OR tackle you 180 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:21,240 on the second level anyway. I think that that trend in the 181 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:24,600 real NFL trend is very favorable for Naji as a free agent. 182 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,680 Someone's going to go pay him. They want heavier backs right 183 00:09:26,680 --> 00:09:28,560 now. Yeah, I think, I mean think 184 00:09:28,560 --> 00:09:30,960 about Naji, first round pedigree. 185 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,880 Does that matter for his skill at this point? 186 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:37,880 No, he's not very good, but it should help him on the free 187 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:40,960 agent market compared to a guy like a Rico Dowdell, like who's 188 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:44,600 more likely to get installed as, as us, you know, at least A1A, 189 00:09:44,680 --> 00:09:47,720 if not an outright starter Week 1 Naji by a mile. 190 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,120 And, you know, I don't want to touch Naji if he's going in the 191 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,200 sixth round, but he strikes me as someone who, like, could go 192 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:59,480 in the sixth round if he lands like the nuts, you know, in 193 00:09:59,680 --> 00:10:02,680 terms of landing spot. But there's actually quite a few 194 00:10:02,680 --> 00:10:04,400 good landing spots. Like he could go. 195 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,960 What if he goes to the Raiders and it's just like their 196 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,840 backfield and he's probably seventh round pick? 197 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,760 Carol would love Najee Harris. Yeah, he would. 198 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:17,160 Absolutely. He's a new Marshawn Lynch. 199 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:18,640 You know, we're going to get that narrative. 200 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:22,240 So I I just think it's like all, a lot of the volatilities to the 201 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,960 upside on Najee at this price. And he started lower too. 202 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,160 He was, he was buried in the initial ranks. 203 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,920 He's like 14150. It was crazy as I was like 204 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,800 taking them, you know, I was taking the one 30s, but still 205 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:40,800 well ahead of ADP. The yeah, I mean, people talking 206 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:42,840 about the Cowboys in the chat, I mean, we're about to enter 207 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:46,120 another offseason where whichever running back, whether 208 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:50,920 free agent, whether NFL draft ends up in Dallas, that that 209 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:54,120 ADP, there's not a ceiling on it, it feels like. 210 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:55,360 Yeah. Yeah. 211 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,720 The the tricky part for Naji is that this class does have a 212 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:05,520 bunch of big running backs, like 2/22/30 type of guys. 213 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:10,720 So and, and who are like going to be more explosive as rookies 214 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:12,520 than Naji will it be at this point. 215 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:17,520 So it's not like he's some incredible pick, you know, like 216 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:19,800 last, it would have been nicer for him if he was a free agent 217 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,440 last year, you know, with the with the incoming rookie class 218 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,880 not being very good. But so he's you know, he's going 219 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,360 to have real risk at the end of the season of being a backup. 220 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,480 But that's what this is where we draft backups. 221 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,680 This is a this is a contingent value type of price. 222 00:11:36,680 --> 00:11:38,600 So I. Don't know and we we don't like 223 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,200 him in fantasy for the for the reasons that like you know, his 224 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:46,320 his actual efficiency is not great and his whatever basically 225 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:50,080 that. But the NFL likes the size they 226 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:53,640 like the fact that he's had 280 plus touches in all four years 227 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:56,520 of his career like being a workhorse is a thing at the 228 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:58,920 running back position. They think of that as reliable, 229 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:00,760 whether you think Naji sucks or not. 230 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:01,400 And. He's been healthy. 231 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:03,480 He's, he's plugged along, you know. 232 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:05,760 He's right. He's reliable in that sense, 233 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:07,560 too. Still in his prime, just like 234 00:12:07,560 --> 00:12:10,080 ETN that came in the same class. These guys, I mean, they're, 235 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:12,240 they're, they're a little bit older in running back terms. 236 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:13,960 He's going to turn 27 here in March. 237 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,720 Actually, Naji, they're 20, 26 and 27 respectively. 238 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:18,880 Etns 26. But like he's. 239 00:12:19,680 --> 00:12:21,640 He's going to get a lot of touches this year. 240 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:23,440 Wherever he's playing, he's going to play somewhere and he's 241 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,160 going to touch the football like that's going to happen. 242 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:27,520 Yeah, it's like hard for me to think go. 243 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:29,840 Ahead. No, I I was kind of changing a 244 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:33,080 little bit and just talking about ETN that surprises me. 245 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:37,120 It's like what what is one of the things that can really swing 246 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,200 fantasy value? It's some kind of change in 247 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,080 scenery. I mean, they're getting a new 248 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:42,760 OC. They're like cleaning house 249 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:47,320 there. We just saw what Liam Cohen lean 250 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,280 on Bucky Irving down the stretch. 251 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,640 I, I think we all feel pretty good about Liam Cohen's ability 252 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,880 to evaluate talent. Like, do we not think, you know, 253 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:59,160 that things could be different with this new coaching staff? 254 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:03,280 And if they do return to ETN, like the range of outcomes like 255 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:07,560 this seems pretty closely priced to his floor to me as far as how 256 00:13:07,560 --> 00:13:10,240 things could go right? I think one of the things to 257 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:12,880 think through is like, what would you do? 258 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:20,680 Like if it was August and this player was like the clear cut #2 259 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:26,560 on an offense we were interested in, where would we take that 260 00:13:26,560 --> 00:13:28,640 player? And to me, I think I would 261 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:32,600 probably take that player around pick 122. 262 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:40,040 Like like ETN might not be even need to be the starter to pay 263 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:43,520 off this it because I mean, I think Cohen is good for this 264 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:45,920 offense. I think it could be a big 265 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:47,280 improvement. There might not have been a 266 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,960 better situation for running backs in football than Tampa 267 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:51,240 last year. A lot of that probably had to do 268 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:55,000 with Baker and everything else, but Sean Tucker had a week where 269 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:59,240 he was in RB1 for all the on the overall RB one overall in the 270 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:03,600 week, or maybe it was RB2. Siegel had the stat in season. 271 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,080 They had three different backs that were either RB1 or RB2IN 272 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,240 different weeks, right And Rashad White like kept scoring 273 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:09,680 even when he wasn't even playing that much. 274 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,200 Obviously Bucky has an incredible year and the high 275 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,840 value touch stuff that I look at was through the roof on the team 276 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,160 level for them all year. That's. 277 00:14:17,560 --> 00:14:19,800 He's got 35 plus balls every year of his career. 278 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,920 He's played three years, first two years, 1400 plus scrimmage 279 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:24,520 yards. Last year he's banged up. 280 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,120 He plays 15 games. He goes for 800 scrimmage yards. 281 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:30,520 2 touchdowns is all and everyone thinks that he can't play 282 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:32,000 anymore. Again, first round pedigree like 283 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:36,480 you're talking about with Naji. Two 1400 yards seasons, just, 284 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,320 you know, in 2022 and 2023. Like what are we doing? 285 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:41,760 Yeah, yeah. And I would, I would say 286 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,760 compare, compare him to a guy like Brian Robinson, who's got 287 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:48,560 an AP one O 7. And Robinson's been pretty good 288 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,400 over the last couple years. But like we've seen in this 289 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:55,240 playoff run, you know, they're mixing in Jeremy Nichols and 290 00:14:55,240 --> 00:15:00,600 Austin Eckel are like, it's not like what is his upside? 291 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:02,960 Like he's not going to be he's a commit. 292 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:06,240 He's a committee back who could generate some positive weeks for 293 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,120 you. But then you you think about how 294 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:12,360 deep this class is and that's a lot of guys who are good early 295 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:14,360 down runners. Like there's risk with Robinson. 296 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:18,320 So I don't know, I just like, why wouldn't we be taking ETN 297 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,560 over over Robinson? We have ETN one spot ahead of 298 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:24,280 him in the ranks, But I would be willing to go higher if the ADP 299 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:26,280 was different. Yeah. 300 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:31,600 Any other guys Pat, that you your guys ranks are just wildly 301 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,960 different than the market or if you weren't anchoring to ADP in 302 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:36,800 some regard you guys would be wildly different? 303 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:41,400 One guy is right up top if it wasn't for the ADP and the not 304 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,520 wanting to fade the guys ahead of him. 305 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:46,040 I I don't really get Amanrah's ADP. 306 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:55,200 He opened at 12 I believe, and he's now up to 10, but I think 307 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,480 he should probably be the 7th player drafted. 308 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:03,280 He's like, I mean, they lost Ben Johnson, but like dude is 309 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:05,640 awesome. He showed a ceiling last year. 310 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:10,800 He's just like you're so locked into, you know, the like you the 311 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:14,520 floor ceiling combo in him is just really, really strong and I 312 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:19,200 just don't want to fade CD or Nico who are both going ahead of 313 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:25,120 him by ADP. But like, you know, like Brian 314 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:28,520 Thomas Junior still has an ADP ahead of Amin Raw and I wanna be 315 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:33,160 in on Brian Thomas Junior, but man, this is like one of the 316 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:34,680 elite wide receivers in the elite. 317 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:40,280 Yeah, I mean that Almanar definitely stands out as a weird 318 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:44,960 one, yeah. Yeah, and I I get it, right. 319 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:50,120 Like people I think have stigmatized Amon raws like, hey, 320 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:53,840 there's going to be games where Detroit wins in other ways and 321 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:57,440 you're not needed. Whereas like you watch Nico 322 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:00,520 Collins down the early in the season, you watch Brian Thomas 323 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,280 and it's like, oh, this guy can just be the full blown alpha and 324 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,440 there ain't anyone stealing targets away from this guy. 325 00:17:06,599 --> 00:17:08,920 So I could like see how that sausage gets made. 326 00:17:09,319 --> 00:17:12,920 But like you said, the floor ceiling and just really the 327 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:16,040 floor like the floor of what you're getting in this first 328 00:17:16,079 --> 00:17:18,960 round is, is pretty good. And even last year. 329 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:20,680 So I'm just looking at his numbers. 330 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,440 Two years ago in 2023, he went over 1500 yards, right? 331 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,599 He had 119 catches, 10 touchdowns. 332 00:17:26,599 --> 00:17:30,160 He had 115 catches again last year, but he only had 12161 333 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:31,760 yards. Not as many like explosive 334 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,440 plays, not as you know, they they want other ways, whatever. 335 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:36,320 He still had 12 TDs. Some people probably want to 336 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:39,360 fade the TDs. But even this last year where he 337 00:17:39,360 --> 00:17:43,120 does have some lower games, it's several 10 plus catch game. 338 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,320 Like the again, that you guys just said the floor ceiling. 339 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:48,080 But like he still took over games. 340 00:17:48,120 --> 00:17:51,800 He had a game with 18 targets and 14 catches and 193 yards in 341 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,040 December. You know, he had an 11 catch 342 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:56,000 game with two touchdowns in November. 343 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,520 He had an 11 catch game in September. 344 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:00,640 Like, yeah, you want to draft guys that can do that multiple 345 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,880 times throughout a year. That's really good. 346 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,840 Yeah, and I think, you know, I think they'll be fine. 347 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,840 They they're bringing in with some this guy from Denver that 348 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:16,120 that Dan Campbell had worked with previously when he was with 349 00:18:16,120 --> 00:18:20,040 the Saints. And it's like really highly 350 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:23,520 regarded as a football minds. Like I think they'll be Ben 351 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:27,040 Johnson's great and everything, but like, I feel like you want 352 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:30,000 the the genius offensive coordinator for to like, hey, we 353 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,200 kind of have the players, but like it's not quite clicking 354 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:35,680 like this guy's going to install an offense that works for all 355 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,080 these players. But we have multiple seasons of 356 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,440 like we know what works well for the Lions. 357 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:44,240 They have all the same pieces. Like you kind of like if someone 358 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:46,280 can come in and be like, I'm going to tweet this, put my 359 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:49,200 fingerprints on this a little bit, but I'm not going to like 360 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:51,680 blow it up and try to do. Something Ben Johnson leaving is 361 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,000 good for almond raw like it's outright good. 362 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,000 Ben Johnson was creating all these like exciting like plays 363 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,600 and ways to get the ball into Jameson Williams hands and all 364 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:01,360 this stuff. But whenever they like didn't 365 00:19:01,360 --> 00:19:04,640 have a play call, they would go to Almond raw like that's he's 366 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:06,680 their alpha. Like when Laporta got pushed to 367 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,080 the side, he's the guy who gets the ball. 368 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:11,760 Like you, like you said, three years in a row now where he's 369 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:14,840 had these monster yards per out run, monster targets per out run 370 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:17,440 is a little lower this year than the two years prior. 371 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,560 But I would argue that's because you had a coordinator who's 372 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:22,440 doing a really creative job of getting the ball to the 373 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,960 ancillary guys. This is the dude that 374 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,800 consolidated the volume, right? Like the other guy who comes in 375 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,240 is going to be like, yeah, just throw it at him every time. 376 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:36,920 That's that's seems that way. What, what do you guys think 377 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,440 about why I was on the Lions there? 378 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:43,840 Jameson Williams, ADP, I guess he's up what, like 30 picks? 379 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,240 From well, that's what I was just going to ask 40 when I was 380 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,640 saying that he's up really high. Do you guys think he actually 381 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,520 like earns volume from Almanar or he kind of gets schemed a lot 382 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:53,640 of stuff in the bit like it's the Ben Johnson thing. 383 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:55,520 Seems like it's more of a concern for him to me. 384 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:59,680 I think he he was earning like as far as like you look at his 385 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:01,800 first read stuff, it was it was pretty solid. 386 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:03,960 This is more from memory right in the walkthrough every week, 387 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,840 but it's just like very clear he had passed Sam LaPorte as the 388 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,000 number two in the offense. You're like, this is real. 389 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,800 This is like a real receiver downfield earning. 390 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:16,360 Earning volume slash like the offense designed to include him 391 00:20:16,360 --> 00:20:20,360 in in the reads and stuff. So I think he's I think last 392 00:20:20,360 --> 00:20:24,280 year's breakout was legit like a real wide receiver breakout that 393 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,400 I think he'll be fine too. Like I'm not worried about. 394 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,160 I'm not worried about anyone in this offense really from from a 395 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:33,160 Ben Johnson perspective. Maybe that's under reacting to 396 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:34,360 it. But I mean, their offensive line 397 00:20:34,360 --> 00:20:37,760 is awesome and all these guys individually are really good and 398 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:39,960 the quarterback play is very stable. 399 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,280 You know, Goff's going to meltdown a couple times and 400 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,520 probably the playoffs one of them, but there's. 401 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:47,720 Dudes, they already ran this playbook. 402 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:49,360 They already installed all these plays. 403 00:20:49,360 --> 00:20:52,840 It's not like they have to like give, give him his playbook. 404 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,720 Like they're going to still run some of this stuff under a new 405 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,480 coordinator because the new corner's going to come in and 406 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,080 say, Goff, what are you comfortable running? 407 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,800 What's what's your answer on 3rd and medium and this and that 408 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:03,760 needs to be like, I love these plays that we ran last year and 409 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:05,160 they're going to run variations of that. 410 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,720 Like that's the right you work with a veteran team. 411 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:09,720 You don't just come in and like, say I'm going to run my whole 412 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,240 new scheme and you're going to do everything that I say. 413 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,200 That's not the way that's going to work for the Lions. 414 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,880 And I think if you think about what could be added to this 415 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:21,800 offense, it's like maybe another early down guy, you know, like 416 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,040 another David, like a David Montgomery kind of successor and 417 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:26,600 waiting. There's certainly those guys 418 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:33,280 here and maybe some lineman. It's a deep inside lineman 419 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,920 class. Talk dirty to me, baby. 420 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,000 Now I'm fired up. Right. 421 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,600 But it's, it's like, and the other thing, it's a really deep 422 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:46,320 defensive line class. So I don't, it's not like 423 00:21:46,360 --> 00:21:48,400 there's not a very good wide receiver class. 424 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,360 There's some guys, but like you're not worried like, oh, in 425 00:21:51,360 --> 00:21:53,160 the third round, they're going to take some wide receiver who's 426 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,600 actually going to be amazing, is going to like change what 427 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,880 they're doing, like take the Tim Patrick role and and become like 428 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:00,600 a. They got to address defense 429 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,880 after all those injuries and everything, they're going to 430 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,440 draft a lot of defenders this. Year there's dudes on defense 431 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,600 too, particularly like the like the edge class is really deep. 432 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,680 So I just I'm like not worried about the draft for them, not 433 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:13,960 really worried about free agency for them. 434 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,800 It just feels like a very stable situation and alliance, even 435 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,520 though they lost Ben Johnson. They're gonna be a good offense 436 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,280 again, for sure. When I looked at it like just 437 00:22:23,360 --> 00:22:25,800 out of context 46, I'm like, that feels a smidge high. 438 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,800 But then you like pull up the receivers going around him and 439 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,280 it feels right. Like maybe I'd quibble. 440 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,720 Like, yeah, probably prefer Rome to him. 441 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:35,920 Probably would take a stab on Jordan Addison over him. 442 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,720 But it's like this feels like the right the right price. 443 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,800 One guy in this range that we're pretty high on is is George 444 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:49,200 Pickens. And I just feel like it's not 445 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,400 like as bad as it could have gotten, you know, it could be 446 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:55,920 worse next year, but it's not like he had some amazing 447 00:22:55,920 --> 00:23:02,160 situation and his his route running, you know, is a is a 448 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:03,560 rookie. He was like pretty terrible in 449 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,560 open score last year's very, very solid. 450 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,600 There feels to me like he he took a jump. 451 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,560 He's not like, I mean, he was just watching him. 452 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,920 He used to be the dude who's like making the highlight reel 453 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:14,960 one handed catches, but not getting any separation. 454 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:19,800 He can separate now and you looked at like yards per outrun 455 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,520 over 2 yards per outrun in the last two years, his second and 456 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,800 third seasons in the league. He's entering year 4. 457 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,040 You know, this is a guy one time before he tore his ACL in 458 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,440 college was like, you know, going to be a, a first round 459 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,480 pick, ends up going second round. 460 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,280 So I don't know. I mean, like this, this is a 461 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:42,840 high pedigree receiver who's playing really well and it's the 462 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,240 clear number one on his own team. 463 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,840 So you're getting, I think a discount, which I understand why 464 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,040 the discount exists on on the Steelers, but you're getting a 465 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,200 pretty big discount on like Steelers. 466 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,800 Steelers are gross. Still has Arthur Smith though. 467 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,920 That was Arthur Smith. That was a long pro list. 468 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,720 I got a con list that's pretty long too and it's like 5 words 469 00:23:59,960 --> 00:24:01,960 it's. It's just Arthur Smith in one 470 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,160 letter. Yeah, one letter. 471 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:05,840 Yeah. I mean, there are. 472 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,160 I'll tell you the guy. That you just described for me 473 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,040 that I think in this range is underpriced. 474 00:24:10,120 --> 00:24:13,360 Is Chris Olave the clear number one on his team? 475 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,880 All that kind of stuff. He's coming off the concussions, 476 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:17,920 but he was practicing late in the year. 477 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,360 Pat, what's the stat you had a few years ago when the the Debo 478 00:24:21,360 --> 00:24:25,720 Samuel year where he was going into his third year 2021, two 479 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,480 plus yards per outrun both of your first two years the cohort. 480 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,680 Was just the cohorts are outrageous. 481 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:32,640 It's yeah. Crystal Ave. now has three 482 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,400 straight years of two plus yards per outrun and he's being 483 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,440 drafted in the 60s. Like because he had concussions, 484 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,080 he's going to have the whole offseason. 485 00:24:40,120 --> 00:24:44,200 It's not like an an ACL rehab. I am concerned about the head 486 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,160 injuries, to be to be clear, but I started fading Brandon Cooks a 487 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:48,800 few years ago when he was getting a bunch of concussions 488 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:50,160 and it seemed like it might be career threatening. 489 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,680 That dude's continued to play for several years after that. 490 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,080 You know, I mean like all yeah, every player's a little bit of 491 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,360 injury prone. You give him a whole offseason. 492 00:24:57,360 --> 00:24:59,280 Like I said, he was already practicing end of the year. 493 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,880 They didn't activate him, but he was back with the team. 494 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,000 It's not like they just shut him down because the team was 495 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:04,840 horrible. Right? 496 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,320 Like it's not like he was like he's going to play next year, it 497 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,720 seems, unless he's planning to to retire. 498 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,920 I I the fact that he's going outside the top 60 picks with a 499 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,160 guy who started his crew with three straight 2 plus yards per 500 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:18,880 hour run seasons is just weird to me. 501 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,520 I think you're, isn't it really, you're just getting this 502 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,600 knucklehead discount like people are worried about him just like 503 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,520 self combusting and like punching someone after a play 504 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,960 and getting ejected or like falling out of favor with the 505 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,160 coach and getting, you know, going the way of Deonte Johnson 506 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,200 essentially. I think that's the only thing 507 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,560 keeping his ADP down. You're talking Pickens. 508 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,480 We were just starting to to a lava. 509 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,760 Yeah, but that's probably part of it with Pickens for sure. 510 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,960 Or Arthur Smith. One or the other. 511 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,800 It is weird with like, I mean we have a bunch of these second 512 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,720 round guys, right? I mean Devante Smith's a little 513 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,000 higher, but waddle, you guys were just talking about alave 514 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:59,880 like the the overreactions to like how we feel about these 515 00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:04,120 guys year to year when like not that much has changed as far as 516 00:26:04,120 --> 00:26:06,200 what they can do for you. And now it's like we were going 517 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,960 to draft Jalen Wallet the 2-3 turn, but now he's going 40 518 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,360 picks later. Well, I mean, he played a lot 519 00:26:12,360 --> 00:26:13,680 and was bad. Like the, the, a lot of the 520 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,400 thing for me it, it seems like the guys who just didn't play a 521 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,560 lot last year and especially with a lot, like I understand 522 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,000 some of the other injury rehab stuff you want to be clear on, 523 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:28,560 but concussions again, it's I, I feel like he's being discounted 524 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,320 just because he missed a lot of time last year. 525 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,200 But we have a lot of evidence through a 3C. 526 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,000 He's still very young. A lot of evidence during the 527 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,000 three seasons that he's a very good receiver. 528 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,800 And yeah, you're just going to, I mean, I think he's a third 529 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:41,640 round player. If you want to do a little bit 530 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,200 of a concussion discount, he's a fourth rounder. 531 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:44,680 You're getting him at the 5-6 turn. 532 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:49,120 It's just seems silly to me. Yeah, like I I could not fathom 533 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,880 taking Jerry Judy over Chris Olave. 534 00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:57,600 Yeah, I mean, I'm with you guys. I think he's a really strong 535 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,040 pick. The one thing with Holabe is 536 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,280 that it's possible that Carr is not playing at the end of the 537 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,800 season because he would be pretty clear cut candidate after 538 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,160 the year. And I don't there's no like 539 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,920 injury guarantee stuff in his contract that would, you know, 540 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,160 incentivize the Saints to to bench him. 541 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:23,680 But this is a class with guys in it that are like somewhat like a 542 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:28,000 few like kind of more project guys or, you know, like day 2 543 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,000 type quarterbacks. The Saints were to take one of 544 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,720 those guys. They're tied to car this year. 545 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,040 They can't move on before the year, but after the year if 546 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,120 he'll be gone. So unless he like really 547 00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:42,040 surprises with his play. So that's like a little minor 548 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,960 thing of like, it's quite plausible Lobby's playing with 549 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,360 the back quarterback at the end of the year. 550 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,640 On the other hand, he will have car this year, which at least 551 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,680 locks in a floor for the beginning of the season. 552 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:57,640 I think he's like, you know, fairly safe, fairly fairly safe. 553 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,240 There's a sight like a little end of the season risk. 554 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:05,400 See this chat, this comment and chat from Stefan or Stefan says 555 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,720 Alave is maybe one big hit away from his career being over. 556 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,440 I think that's why he's priced where he is. 557 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,160 And I don't know that that's actually true or and like the 558 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:14,600 way that the concussions actually work. 559 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,360 It feels that way because he had two concussions in pretty quick 560 00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:20,560 succession this year and they shut him down after that for a 561 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:21,960 long time. And he has had several 562 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,480 concussions up to this point. But that's why I brought up the 563 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,480 brand and Cook's thing. I think Cook's even ended up 564 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,800 having another concussion in the interim, but he had the one 565 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,240 season where he had multiple and it was a concern. 566 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,960 I do think after you heal up and whole offseason and everything, 567 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:41,400 my understanding is that you're not, you're not like most of the 568 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,800 concerns then are long term, right? 569 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,400 Like if he gets another concussion next year, they'll 570 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,240 probably hold him out for a couple of a couple of a couple 571 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,040 of weeks. But it's not, I mean, see, 572 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,080 there's another thing here like concussion discount of around 573 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:56,720 for guys careers in jeopardy if he gets another one. 574 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,160 There's people that literally think that once you get a couple 575 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,440 of concussions, your career is over. 576 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,520 And and I don't know, we just we haven't seen that, let's put it 577 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:06,760 that way. We have not seen somebody's 578 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,080 career actually end on concussions for several years. 579 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,880 That linebacker for the 49ers several years ago and he sort of 580 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:18,080 retired on his own. The reason he was put on IR this 581 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,160 year is because he got a pretty bad concussion and he got 582 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,440 another pretty bad one the game he returned like 2IN pretty 583 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,720 quick succession. That's when they respond. 584 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,800 Once you've had 8-9 months, 10 months to rehab. 585 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,080 I don't, I'm not trying to like discount brain injuries, but I, 586 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,360 I don't think people are actually practical about it. 587 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:38,240 It's a very visceral thing like this dude's brains going to fall 588 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,480 apart. But I, I don't actually think 589 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,800 that's how we, I think we have some evidence with guys like 590 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,280 Brandon Cooks. That's not how that actually 591 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:46,560 happens. That's all I'm saying. 592 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,520 Kat, is there any we can keep going through some of the micro 593 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,640 stuff, but any macro trends that you're noticing in these drafts 594 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,000 that maybe feel different? For sure. 595 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:04,120 Yeah, 11 big one is that quarterback is getting snapped 596 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:09,400 up right around pick 100, pick 1:10-ish. 597 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:15,480 There's like a big run of quarterbacks and 1:00, if you're 598 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,240 like not participating in that run, you can get locked out 599 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,320 pretty easily. People are taking too many 600 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:23,800 quarterbacks. There's lots of like 4 601 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,040 quarterback builds, some 5 quarterback stuff that you know, 602 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,640 might be seeing some invalidated drafts and some of these you're 603 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:35,200 like, what are people doing? But it can get frustrating 604 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,680 pretty quickly. You think everything's like 605 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:42,120 going along great and then all the sudden you're like, I don't 606 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,040 have any quarterbacks left. I'm screwed. 607 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:51,080 So you're you definitely want to like consider, you know, hey, 608 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:55,560 I've drafted, you know, just drafted jail McMillan and I have 609 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:56,800 my Gavin. So I'm just going to go ahead 610 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,160 and take Baker in the 80s. You know, I'm just going to do 611 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:00,600 that. And then in the next turn, maybe 612 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,560 I grab my second quarterback, something like that. 613 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:07,440 I think it's it's it's a good idea to just like secure some 614 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,640 quarterback guys a little bit quicker than maybe it feels like 615 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,360 comfortable. And I think honestly, a lot of 616 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,520 these guys are underpriced in their ADPI. 617 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,360 Think a lot of these guys. Like I think Kyler's a really 618 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,640 good value at one O 7. I think Caleb's a good value at 619 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,320 one O 8. Perry's a good value at one O 5. 620 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,080 Like Drake Mays behind this, I think he's a strong value. 621 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,800 I think like Bonex is one of the most expensive guys in the group 622 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,080 is like that's a fine price for him. 623 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,360 Like no one here is really crazy. 624 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,000 You can get like a Trevor Lawrence is a backdoor stack 625 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:41,280 because you can get Evan Ingram and Christian Kirk later you But 626 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,800 the way it works out, you probably only get one of them 627 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,600 because they're all kind of like being drafted together. 628 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,000 But it's still an easy enough 1 to get a a backdoor stack with. 629 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:56,160 But yeah, overall making sure that you're not like just kind 630 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,280 of I'll figure out quarterback later because you're probably 631 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,440 looking at like unstacked DAC, which I mean, there are worse 632 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,960 things than unstacked DAC, but it's not your first choice 633 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,720 heading into the draft. You could do like backdoor stack 634 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,760 Michael Pennix and then you get into the rookies and it's not a 635 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:16,360 good rookie class. That looks like where it falls 636 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,480 off to my eye that Yeah, right. You were naming some of the the 637 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,120 pricier ones around 110 the group from Lawrence to Pennex. 638 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,840 Those 5, Lawrence, Dak 2 of people still do the concussion 639 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,160 thing with two just played a full season. 640 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,920 I don't I mean Bryce Young, Pennex, those guys are all going 641 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,720 to start, right. I have no concerns about any of 642 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,040 them starting Week 1, but like, none. 643 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,120 But then right after that, you're like, I don't know. 644 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,440 I don't know about the next guys. 645 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,640 Maybe McCarthy, Gino, Stafford and Carr is another little 646 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,520 pocket that I would say those guys are going to start, I 647 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,160 think, right. They're not even on their own. 648 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,680 Their particular team, like McCarthy's going to start for 649 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,400 the Vikings. Gino might not be with the 650 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,840 Seahawks potentially, but I think he'd start somewhere else 651 00:32:58,840 --> 00:32:59,400 if he wasn't. Yeah. 652 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:05,280 I guess so that's one genome. Stafford and McCarthy are all 653 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,760 like kind of the, I don't want to say like sleeping giants, but 654 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,040 guys that I was like not taking it first because of uncertainty, 655 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,680 but now I'm sort of leaning more that I should be taking them. 656 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,640 So Stafford, there was retirement questions. 657 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,560 He's going to play, it sounds like, but he might not be on the 658 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,800 Rams. So it makes it a little bit more 659 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,480 difficult to stack the one Cooper Cup might not be on the 660 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,160 Rams even if Stafford is. And then maybe Stafford isn't on 661 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:33,040 the Rams. And Gino, I was kind of nervous 662 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,240 about some of the comments that Mike McDonald had made after the 663 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,000 season that they didn't really seem committed to him as the 664 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,200 starter. But if you look at his contract, 665 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,680 Geno Smith, I think is someone that you're going to want to 666 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,720 extend past this year. They're like it's like a move on 667 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,960 or extend moment. If you look at his cap number. 668 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,360 And I think given the quarterback market that they're 669 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,840 probably going to just have to to bite the bullet and like 670 00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:01,640 tackle on another two years of the contract and probably go 671 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,440 into him, go into the season with him like being the clear 672 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,639 cut starter. His cap number jumps from his 673 00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:11,840 cap hit last year was $26.4 million. 674 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:17,440 It's $44.5 million this year. It's the type of it's, it's the 675 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,159 contract was structured so that they can cut him easily. 676 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:25,480 It's 13.5 million in dead cat. So they'd save like 30 + 677 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:26,960 1,000,000 dollars if they were to cut him. 678 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,400 But I don't think that's like the situation that they ended up 679 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,360 being in because there's not like really good. 680 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,159 There's not many better options than Gino Smith got caught. 681 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:39,040 Him you're right, it's either a restructure or trade possibly. 682 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,560 Trade maybe, yeah. But he's very, but if he gets 683 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,239 traded, he's starting somewhere probably. 684 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,800 I mean, who knows, he could land somewhere where they draft like 685 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,360 a Jackson dart and now he's going to get passed by the end 686 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,040 of the year. But so he's not completely safe, 687 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,239 but I think he's like think about like there's most likely 688 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,200 downs, like kind of the reasonable range. 689 00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,920 He's a starter I think now and I wasn't sure about that. 690 00:35:01,240 --> 00:35:03,120 You know, a few weeks and Mike McDonald has said he's our 691 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:04,840 quarterback. Like we're we're treating him as 692 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,160 our quarterback. They bring in Clint Kubiak. 693 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,680 I think that's like a fair like. It's. 694 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,960 Reasonable enough. Like, I'm not super worried 695 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,480 about the offense. They're not gonna be super 696 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,440 passive or anything, but I think he'll be fine in that system. 697 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,400 So I think Stafford and Gino are kind of back to like very 698 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:25,160 solidly draftable McCarthy. What happens with Darnold? 699 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,360 Because if Darnold is gone and McCarthy's like the 17 game 700 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,200 starter in Minnesota, he's a smash at this ADP. 701 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,200 But I'm just not entirely sure that happens. 702 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,520 And but I'm wondering if I'm just being too cautious. 703 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:40,200 I think it's like 80% if I had to handicap it that that's like 704 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,800 maybe it's not 80% likely. Maybe that's my like my 705 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,080 prediction, maybe I'd be ahead of market on that. 706 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,280 But I, the way that I've read everything and, and you know, 707 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,920 O'connell's comments after the after the playoff game and 708 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,640 everything are like they're ready to move on from Darnold 709 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,560 and the fact that they sunk so much capital into McCarthy and 710 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:03,440 all those things. I, I just, I think 80%'s maybe 711 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,520 too low. I, I, I'm like, really confident 712 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,120 that that's what's going to happen this offseason. 713 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,560 He's a, he's a really good pick then and one of the few ways 714 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,040 that you can get some upside injected into quarterback late 715 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:16,600 in the year or late in the draft. 716 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,640 And couldn't you still, even if there was some of the risk, I 717 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:26,080 think you could still play him as a QB3 with the thought like 718 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,240 there's no way he's not starting by the end of the season. 719 00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:32,360 Like almost like I get like him redshirting for two years would 720 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,480 seem pretty hard to believe. Like you'd still have really 721 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,320 good week 17. That's the thing. 722 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,200 Equity. When you have the two things are 723 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,360 the he already redshirted in one year and they drafted him in the 724 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,920 top 15 overall picks and redshirting in two years, you 725 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,320 have to have a really good reason. 726 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,920 And the second thing is the way Donald closed those two games, 727 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,080 Week 18 and then the playoff game where he just couldn't even 728 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,240 get the throws out to the places that you need him to go. 729 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,200 And they're basically like, we just can't do this. 730 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:56,680 I mean, you can't run an offense this way. 731 00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:00,400 I mean, it's, it's brutal. Kevin O'Connell got a lot of 732 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,240 heat for being out coached and all this stuff. 733 00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:05,160 And I, I was on Twitter arguing like, no, he didn't get out 734 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:06,280 coached. This is absurd. 735 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,640 His quarterback's not throwing the balls where they're open 736 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,200 down the field. You can only scheme it up. 737 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:11,760 You can't make him throw the football, right? 738 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,760 Like there's only so much you can do. 739 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:18,280 I don't think a coach is going to NFL teams don't want that. 740 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,600 If you have two quarterbacks, you have, you know, none or 741 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,080 whatever, right? Like they, they, this is their 742 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,440 off ramp with the Darnold thing. It went OK for a year, but he 743 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,280 blew it at the end of the year. This is their off ramp and they 744 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:30,800 can just say we're going forward with McCarthy. 745 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,120 They already have his back up on the roster in Dino Jones. 746 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,000 They're just going to keep Dino Jones around. 747 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,120 That's that's their quarterback room next year. 748 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,280 I mean the weapons are so good like, you know, he's he's really 749 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:47,240 in strong position. I I have, I have not taken much 750 00:37:47,240 --> 00:37:50,720 Cam Ward, who I do think goes, you know, at least top three, 751 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:56,080 but he's a kind of expensive, I think, well, he's actually 752 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,280 falling a little bit. So he's not like too, too bad. 753 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:03,480 But I've taken a little chador when I've been boxed out as kind 754 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,600 of a desperation measure because he goes like later. 755 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,440 I've taken some Fields as you know what if he's the starter 756 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:15,760 all season in in Pittsburgh, it's possible you go somewhere 757 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,240 else. I mean the quarterback, free 758 00:38:17,240 --> 00:38:20,440 agent market and draft class combo such that you could see a 759 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:21,640 guy like Fields landing a starting. 760 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,920 Job and I assume all these are emergency QB 3 selection. 761 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,160 Yeah, Yeah. They're all emergency 762 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,520 quarterback three guys. Yeah. 763 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,120 And that's about that's about as the I haven't taken car yet. 764 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:38,560 I think you could, but it's not you just I just don't want to be 765 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,920 in this business right now. Like they these aren't. 766 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,320 They're either like really kind of low floor or low ceiling 767 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:49,360 plays. Yeah, but like you can get like, 768 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,040 hang on. I can just take like Kyler and 769 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:56,880 Drake May and like pick like one O 2 and one O whatever matches 770 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:57,440 up. With. 771 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,240 That I'll do that. Why don't I do that? 772 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,760 Have you been mainly doing 3 quarterback builds? 773 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,440 I've I've the the screenshots I've seen is most people doing 3 774 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:11,160 quarterback stuff. I, I, I would like to, but I'm 775 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,880 not going to force it. And yeah, I mean, you, you, you 776 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,040 would like, I mean, I don't know when the buys are. 777 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:18,960 So it's possible the guys share the buy, which would be 778 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,160 annoying, but I don't know. I mean, the quality of 779 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,920 quarterbacks you're getting around pick 100 are good. 780 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,480 Like I don't think you need to have three quarterbacks and with 781 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:32,360 some of the that you can sit there, pick 90, take your first 782 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,720 quick guy, get your second guy by like pick 115 and have really 783 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,400 like what we would normally consider A2 quarterback field no 784 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:39,480 problem. Right. 785 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,680 Let's do tight end real quick. If that's the one position we 786 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:47,840 haven't really talked about Brock Bowers going middle of the 787 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,760 second. You got McBride in the third. 788 00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,680 Kelsey obviously dropped a good bit compared to where he was 789 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,160 going. What are you noticing at tight 790 00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:01,440 end? Well, I mean one of, I think 791 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:06,120 probably the two, two big targets, 2 of my biggest 792 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,840 targets, especially the second guy are are Bowers and McBride. 793 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:15,240 Bowers is generally being drafted pretty high, but I think 794 00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:20,240 he's like a 12 turn type of pick who you can get in the kind of 795 00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:23,240 early 2nd range. And then McBride I think is a 796 00:40:23,240 --> 00:40:26,480 mid second round pick. Who you can get in the early 797 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,640 3rd. Why would Browers go behind 798 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,960 Brian Thomas, who I really like? I really want to take Brian 799 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:36,040 Thomas this year but they both had ridiculous awesome rookie 800 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,240 seasons. Bowers was the better prospect, 801 00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:41,840 drafted higher, more dominant production profile in college, 802 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,200 and it's because he plays tight end, which should make him go 803 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:49,480 higher that people want to draft him later, right? 804 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,440 I don't have any pushback. I mean, I guess quarterback 805 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:57,120 would be the the concern. Maybe. 806 00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,840 Yeah, offensive coordinator situation. 807 00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,200 Thomas's situation is nice with Lawrence and Cohen. 808 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:03,800 It's pretty nice. Yeah, yeah. 809 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,560 It is just and it's just, it's the, it's the Halo effect of how 810 00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:11,280 Brian Thomas finished, right? There wasn't a single blemish on 811 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:15,320 his, you know, playoff stretch like he every single week 812 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,400 delivered. Even even Bowers, you know, 813 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,040 famously had a couple crucial duds during that that playoff 814 00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,160 stretch. And I think that like, stuck in 815 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,760 people's minds in a way where they're just like, Brian Thomas 816 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,120 didn't have a dud. Like Brian Thomas should go 817 00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:29,720 where he's going. I wasn't trying to bash him. 818 00:41:29,720 --> 00:41:31,640 It's more just like, yeah, you said 1-2 turn. 819 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,400 I'm like, why is Bowers going 16? 820 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,560 He should be going like eight overall. 821 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:40,440 Dude like year 2 breakout wide receiver that gets tight end 822 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,400 eligibility. People are just afraid of elite 823 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,800 tight end structurally but like this is a different player. 824 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,800 Yeah. And then I think McBride, I mean 825 00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:53,320 McBride, like I was thinking through this, like you, why are 826 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:57,080 we doing elite tight end fundamentally like the case for 827 00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:57,920 elite tight end? Why? 828 00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:59,960 Like why is it good in these tournaments? 829 00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:03,440 It's because we're pretty good at identifying the players who 830 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,160 generate spike weeks at tight end, and we're actually better 831 00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,720 at that than we are at the other positions, you know, in terms of 832 00:42:09,720 --> 00:42:14,760 like capturing a big chunk of the spike weeks in a small group 833 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:19,080 of players. And McBride was, I mean, this 834 00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,280 dude can clearly generate spike weeks. 835 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,360 He didn't score any touchdowns and he was still generating 836 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:27,600 spike weeks. Like, I, I mean, he's just like, 837 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:31,920 it's such a clear cut target. And I, you know, Ben, he was 838 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:33,880 your guy last year. I was kind of like, yeah, I like 839 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:39,720 him, but but like, I mean, after what he just did, he had the, 840 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,880 you know, a generation wide receiver joins the team and 841 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,680 McBride's at tight end still the clear number one on the team. 842 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,600 Like that's really bullish. I don't know. 843 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,000 Yeah. So I think he's a target. 844 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,080 I also think, by the way, Kittle's a pretty big target at 845 00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,920 tight end three. He is another guy who has just 846 00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,640 got such a long track record of generating spike weeks. 847 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:05,360 He's more inconsistent, but you know, you got you got IU dealing 848 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,560 with injury. Debo is potentially going to be 849 00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,440 traded. So it's like Jawan Jennings, 850 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,920 Ricky Pierce all and and George Kittle probably to start the 851 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,320 season is the top, is the the top three guys that's push 852 00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,480 Kittle. I think it #2 in the target 853 00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,520 pecking order. And then, you know, we'll see 854 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,960 down the stretch. But he didn't like if you look 855 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,360 at like kind of any of the peripheral stuff, it doesn't 856 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:25,560 look to me like he's falling off. 857 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:30,040 So again, Kittle looks like a target. 858 00:43:31,240 --> 00:43:34,400 You just got to be taking a ton of Bowers and McBride at these 859 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,160 prices, man. I mean, the other the other 860 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,320 player, I'll say with Bauer, I haven't looked at this a lot, 861 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,760 but the Bowers comparison, Puka Nakua right after his rookie 862 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,320 year, we were all taking him at like 10:00 and 11:00, right 863 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,280 coming off Bowers broke his record for rookie receptions, 864 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:49,640 but OK, because he's a tight end. 865 00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,960 I mean, he had he had fewer yards, but he the tight end 866 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,720 thing is a feature, not a bug. It's good. 867 00:43:57,720 --> 00:43:59,080 This actually works in our favor. 868 00:43:59,240 --> 00:44:02,560 It's a positive. Why is he going later than puka 869 00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,800 was going last year going into year 2? 870 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,080 And then the other thing as you're talking through these top 871 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,640 three guys and how good of values they are, it's Titan's 872 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,200 not as deep as last year. We talked about the top 7 873 00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,640 profiles last year and then even that next group. 874 00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,720 I remember saying that next group was better than the like 875 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:23,080 Titan 5-6 range in other years, meaning the Titan like 8910 876 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,200 range last year, which was Bowers, but it was also in Joku 877 00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,560 and Evan Ingram was like a nice little group there. 878 00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,680 Those guys profiles last year that you could get as Titan 879 00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:36,400 8910, I'd argue are are like the same as what you're looking at 880 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,640 with Hawkinson, who's Titan 5 right now. 881 00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,240 I mean, he was good with the Vikings two years ago, but 882 00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,280 Jordan Addison wasn't even on the team. 883 00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,480 Jordan Addison has broken out. We talked about this recently. 884 00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,080 Like you can make a case he's like a top 20 receiver in the 885 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,240 league on his own right, on his own merits. 886 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,920 He's Hawkinson's now competing with volume for volume and 887 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,080 doesn't have cousins anymore, which was a big part of, you 888 00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,280 know, his profile two years ago. He's playing with the rookie 889 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:03,040 quarterback potentially and Hawkinson's Titan 5 because who 890 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:04,720 do you want to take over from Kelsey's Titan 6? 891 00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:08,880 Laporte's Titan 4 had a had a unequivocally bad second year, 892 00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:10,360 right? Like we we were all pretty 893 00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,800 frustrated with his. He's still want him high because 894 00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,360 he's a young star. He's good. 895 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,520 Like Andrews is next. Like there's not a ton of dudes 896 00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,720 here that you're like, I'm excited to draft these guys at 897 00:45:20,720 --> 00:45:24,880 these prices again this year. So you've got Bowers and McBride 898 00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,800 at these costs, right? I'm seeing it exactly the same 899 00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:32,960 way. I mean, you, you have like what 900 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:37,680 it to me it goes from guys who can like win a week, right? 901 00:45:37,720 --> 00:45:41,560 And we need to win weeks. We need to win three different 902 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:45,760 weeks in this tournament. So who can win win you a week? 903 00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,280 And to me, the top three guys very clearly can. 904 00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:53,560 And then it pretty quickly shifts to rock solid mid to low 905 00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:57,360 end tight end one all season, right, like Hopkinson plug and 906 00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:01,600 play tight end one like like in a redraft league, you're like I 907 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,360 I know I'm getting a tight end one. 908 00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,160 This isn't it's a floor play, right? 909 00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,960 Like I can I he's going to hit. He's going to hit my lineup 910 00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,600 pretty regularly. But that's not really the point 911 00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,280 of, of spending capital on tight end. 912 00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,560 It's, it's for the ceiling, the weekly ceiling that 913 00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,680 differentiates you from from a bunch of teams in a pod. 914 00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:25,840 And yeah, LaPorte is the number 3 on his team maybe #4 you know, 915 00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:27,320 want to talk about like Gibbs and stuff. 916 00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,320 Hawkinson's the number three on his team. 917 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,440 Like they're these aren't guys who Kelsey, I mean, like Kelsey 918 00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,160 might retire, who knows? But he's but he could be the 919 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:37,560 number three on his team next season. 920 00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,560 At a certain point, you go, why wouldn't I just take Jonas 921 00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:45,080 Smith, who might be, you know, the number one? 922 00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,120 Probably not. But like, I don't know. 923 00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:52,040 It's it's I think it's middle class, is probably overpriced. 924 00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,160 And that makes me want to take the top three guys even more. 925 00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,000 Yeah. Or the late round. 926 00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,720 I mean, some of the chats talk about some of the late round 927 00:46:57,720 --> 00:46:59,760 guys. I don't know if Tim mentions 928 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:00,920 pits. I don't know if I'd be taking 929 00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,520 pits, but there's there's some cheaper guys like like Firemouth 930 00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,200 and Otten and stuff are going way down there. 931 00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,280 Yeah, Cole Commet's going way down there. 932 00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,600 I mean, I would probably stab some of those guys. 933 00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,840 Yeah, I think those guys are good and there's even guys later 934 00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,760 you. Know Higby? 935 00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,400 You been doing 12 Higby, I'll take that. 936 00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,720 Will Disley, will Disley's under contract. 937 00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:24,000 He'll, he'll be, you know, with the Chargers next year. 938 00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,800 What about Ben Synod after catching that big fake? 939 00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:28,640 Punt. I bet. 940 00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,520 I bet Birds comes back. Yeah, he's a free agent. 941 00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,520 But this back that would be so tilty. 942 00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:38,480 I think he probably is. Yeah, it it makes sense, but 943 00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,360 he's like 35 man. Just retire. 944 00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:41,360 You're so. Let it go. 945 00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,920 Man, let it go. Can someone get him like a 946 00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:45,600 podcast deal? I think that's the thing that 947 00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,240 keeps these guys going is they don't they don't have a podcast 948 00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:49,520 to go. If he had a podcast he'd be 949 00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,280 like. Kelsey's got a podcast and he's 950 00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:52,520 still going. You have to be careful, you 951 00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:54,000 know, it might, it might rejuvenate him. 952 00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,280 Barely. He's barely going to be. 953 00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:02,520 So bad he wants. 3 plays like a podcaster plays like a podcast. 954 00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,920 God, we let's not poke the bear before we need him to go 2 for 955 00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:10,040 12. Again, seriously. 956 00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:15,040 How many? What kind of tight end builds 957 00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,600 like if you take Bowers or McBride, are you just like 958 00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:21,680 taking? Well, I told you one guy, if you 959 00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,560 want to just go to you can, you can grab Evan Ingram. 960 00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,640 Again. You guys know I'm not like an 961 00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:31,920 Evan Ingram guy, but you can take Evan Ingram at 1:42 and be 962 00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,840 completely done at tight end. What are you doing? 963 00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:39,240 142 for Evan Ingram, it makes no sense to me he's. 964 00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,480 Man, do you know what it it actually again, it doesn't make 965 00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,600 sense to me. It makes sense with the Brian 966 00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,840 Thomas ADP right, because people are just saying no one else is 967 00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,240 gonna earn high targets at a high clip in this offense ever 968 00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:51,960 again other than Brian Thomas like that. 969 00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:53,160 That's that's what it's saying I. 970 00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,200 Guess, but I mean Thomas is gonna have his weeks and I and I 971 00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:59,680 I'm gonna take him you know a fair amount. 972 00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:03,800 But my God, I mean Ingram Christian Kirk is an income of 973 00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,480 candidate. I think sticks around and 974 00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,840 Ingram's a cut candidate, but I think sticks around so that you 975 00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:09,960 think your downside. I think he does. 976 00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:14,920 Your downside is he's, he's not on the Jags, but like he's. 977 00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,840 I think he gets cut. His cap number's 19.5 million. 978 00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,840 If they do him post June 1. It's only four mil and dead. 979 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:27,640 They can open up over 15 mil. OK, I I feel like Ingram might 980 00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:31,280 be the one that does get cut, but he's still they probably 981 00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:35,240 land somewhere, right? They have to do it soon, but 982 00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,000 maybe don't have to. But but they have one and a half 983 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:42,400 million guarantees in March of of this year's salary. 984 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:48,280 So you would anticipate they probably they caught him then 985 00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:50,840 maybe they designated post June 1st or whatever. 986 00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,920 But but he would be a free he would be like a free agent. 987 00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,440 He would go get to find a new team. 988 00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:00,360 And I mean, he's not like he's like 30. 989 00:50:00,720 --> 00:50:04,280 He turns 31 in September. He's not explosive. 990 00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:08,320 The whole play is like he will like gets 4 yards downfield and 991 00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,360 like turns right and then like gets the target right. 992 00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,640 So like he's he's going to go find. 993 00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,440 What if he turns right on the Bengals? 994 00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:21,920 You know, like there's some pretty good spots where this 995 00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:23,640 dude can run little outlet routes. 996 00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:28,120 Yeah, no, I mean it's. There was in AGPP, there was 997 00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:29,280 what if he's the guy you need now? 998 00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,480 There's What if he turns right on a good team? 999 00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,440 This is this is another one of those examples we were just 1000 00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,440 talking about with like some of the QBs, they're going to 1001 00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,200 quarterback somewhere next year. Like people are worried about 1002 00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:42,560 the uncertainty. They go, oh, he's not going to 1003 00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,160 be on that team anymore. He's a 30 year old. 1004 00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,920 He's a former first round pick writer. 1005 00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,960 Yeah, first round pick, he just had the second most tight end 1006 00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,840 receptions of all time in 2023, right? 1007 00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,840 Had an injury, played 2024, only played nine games, but has been 1008 00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:00,800 he's not been great, but he's been productive. 1009 00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,800 He had 98 catches in 2022. He's come on later in his 1010 00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:05,560 career. I mentioned the the first round 1011 00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:07,000 draft capital. It's years and years and years 1012 00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:08,880 ago, but we know that sticks with players and it sticks. 1013 00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,640 It sticks with NFL teams and evaluators. 1014 00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,280 If you don't believe that, just look at how Jerry Jones traded 1015 00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,920 1/4 for Jonathan Mingo and then was like, you won the you won 1016 00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:19,960 the second, you know, two years ago. 1017 00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,440 Like you like outright reference to draft capital. 1018 00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,280 It's like that doesn't mean it's a value in the fourth. 1019 00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:28,320 Give up and pick like you. Guys lose the value since Jerry. 1020 00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:34,000 But people like, I mean, Ingram's not too old, like you 1021 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:38,360 said, and is a guy who had capital, has played for multiple 1022 00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,400 teams, played a ton throughout his career, ran a ton of rounds, 1023 00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,440 caught a ton of balls. He's got 44 balls for eight 1024 00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:45,720 straight years every year of his career. 1025 00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,520 In some of those years, he's missed games, but like, it's at 1026 00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:51,080 least catching some passes, you know, close to 50 passes 1027 00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,240 minimum. I mean, what, what are we doing? 1028 00:51:53,240 --> 00:51:56,440 He's definitely going to play. Yeah, it's strange. 1029 00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,200 And you know, there's there's other guys in the range actually 1030 00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:02,160 that I like that Colson Loveland is very likely to be a first 1031 00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,480 round pick. He's a pass catcher type. 1032 00:52:05,720 --> 00:52:08,080 One of the concerns actually is like he's not an amazing blocker 1033 00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:10,080 and that maybe, you know, maybe he's like in a more part time 1034 00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:12,600 role as a rookie or something like that, but he's going to get 1035 00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:14,160 drafted in the first round and catch passes. 1036 00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:22,160 So I'm pretty in at that price. Loveland Colson Loveland from 1037 00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:23,400 Michigan. He's going to get drafted in the 1038 00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,880 first round. First round that very likely I 1039 00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:27,840 mean he he could fall to the second, but. 1040 00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,600 I thought Warren was the like clear first round. 1041 00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:32,560 They're both. They're both they're both gonna 1042 00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,320 go first round. Warren is the tight end one in 1043 00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:35,920 the class. But if you look at like mock 1044 00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,480 draft database, Warren's at 14 and Loveland's at 20. 1045 00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:40,960 And I'm not hearing like any like I don't know about 1046 00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:42,360 Loveland. Like Loveland's considered very 1047 00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,600 locked in. And then this fannin dude is 1048 00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,440 like. Fannon is actually the guy where 1049 00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:50,840 I'm not 100% sure the NF LS bought in. 1050 00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:52,720 He's at the Senior Bowl right now. 1051 00:52:52,720 --> 00:52:57,000 And the guys you're hearing about are Elijah Arroyo, who 1052 00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:01,840 didn't really produce anything. But like maybe he's got kind of 1053 00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:03,920 an interesting background where I think he was like newer to 1054 00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:07,200 football and he's just like apparently like running routes 1055 00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:10,240 like like just getting behind the defenders with ease. 1056 00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:14,920 So I'm intrigued, we'll see if he ends up being a day three guy 1057 00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:16,880 or sorry, day two guy, like a third round guy. 1058 00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,680 And then Mason Taylor from LSU is also seems like the most 1059 00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:22,600 complete tight end of the Senior Bowl from what I'm hearing. 1060 00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,080 Not hearing a ton about Fannin, but Fannin was like an 1061 00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,200 outrageously productive guy in college. 1062 00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,200 And so it's not like, but it's just like he I was hoping he 1063 00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:34,080 would use the offseason process to consolidate the tight end 1064 00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:37,120 three position and then like maybe second round draft capital 1065 00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,320 seems like maybe more like he's a third or fourth round pick, 1066 00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:44,600 which will make him a little trickier obviously for for best. 1067 00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:46,760 Ball, do you remember Mario Fannin? 1068 00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,880 He's that running back. He's that running back that like 1069 00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,240 broke the Speed Score model way back when. 1070 00:53:54,240 --> 00:53:56,080 Speed scores were really cool. I think Bill Barnwell came up 1071 00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:57,800 with Speed Score right years and years ago. 1072 00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,120 And like right after he did, I just pulled up. 1073 00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:04,200 It was 2011, he's like 2:30 and he ran like a 437 and it gave 1074 00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,000 him the speed score. That was better than like any 1075 00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,120 other running back. His name is always stuck in the 1076 00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:10,800 back. So now I'm like really into 1077 00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,480 Harold Fannon because he has the same Fannon name for whatever. 1078 00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:17,640 I'm pretty sure Mario Fannon was a stud too. 1079 00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,320 So that means that I'm. Still in the I want the NFL to 1080 00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,360 really like Harold Fannon because if they if they were to 1081 00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,320 take this guy in a second round, I would I'd draft a ton. 1082 00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,240 But so far it seems like maybe things are blowing in the other 1083 00:54:28,240 --> 00:54:31,520 direction. Are the just from a macro? 1084 00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:37,600 Are the are the rookies underpriced, overpriced about 1085 00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:39,920 right? Like are there big edges and 1086 00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,000 just hammering rookies? I feel like that's what it's 1087 00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,640 been in the past few years. I think there are there are 1088 00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:47,520 edges in hammering rookies for sure. 1089 00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:51,000 Let me pull up just the rookies and see. 1090 00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:54,240 I don't have a ton of rookies that I think are overpriced in a 1091 00:54:54,240 --> 00:54:59,080 big way. I actually think Tyler Warren is 1092 00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,760 maybe slightly overpriced, but not in a huge way. 1093 00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:05,880 We're a little behind AEP. Matthew Golden was kind of one 1094 00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:12,720 of the He was the Golden Boy. Clipper Nation in the jet. 1095 00:55:12,720 --> 00:55:14,560 Pete is in a buzzer beater with me right now. 1096 00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,360 Try to get BA. Don't worry. 1097 00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:21,120 It's. The robots are drafting for me. 1098 00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,920 Matthew Golden, I think he's kind of hit a point where I'm 1099 00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:29,080 ready to to cool off, but I was drafting a bunch of him. 1100 00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:31,160 I thought he'd be a riser. He's a guy who's gotten a lot of 1101 00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:34,960 buzz as a potential first round pick after being kind of a late. 1102 00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:39,040 He declared he's an early declarer, but he declared like 1103 00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:42,440 recently, like it wasn't. People didn't realize he was 1104 00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:46,000 going to come out for sure until fairly recently. 1105 00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:49,880 And so he's kind of rocketed up, but it wasn't very productive. 1106 00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,560 But he's a early declarer who people like his route running 1107 00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:58,120 and, you know, high pedigree guy that, you know, just was at 1108 00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:01,000 Texas and impressed people there previously Houston. 1109 00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,840 So I guess, you know, maybe not like the I don't think he was an 1110 00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:08,440 amazing recruit or anything, but big program scouts like him 1111 00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:11,320 might go first round early to Claire, but the production isn't 1112 00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:12,880 really there and he wasn't particularly efficient. 1113 00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,640 So it's kind of a boom bust profile. 1114 00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:19,840 And I might I was taking a lot of them before. 1115 00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:21,120 I might kind of cool off on them now. 1116 00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:25,720 I think generally The thing is trying to figure out how to 1117 00:56:25,720 --> 00:56:28,520 attack the running backs because the running back class is so 1118 00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:31,520 deep. I love. 1119 00:56:31,720 --> 00:56:35,200 We talked about Travis Hunter last week briefly, and yeah, I 1120 00:56:35,240 --> 00:56:39,880 feel stronger about are you? He's still like, like, are you, 1121 00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:42,400 are you coming like pretty, pretty firm on that too. 1122 00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:46,680 So he's rocketed up. You you kind of kind of, it's 1123 00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:48,200 hard to keep. Yeah. 1124 00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,560 If you're in drafts, you almost need to like start him at the 1125 00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:53,680 beginning and and like, because his ADP keeps coming up. 1126 00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:56,280 I think he's actually pretty fairly priced now. 1127 00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,240 But he, he started without an ADP. 1128 00:56:58,240 --> 00:57:01,720 So you could get him in the one 70s when the first days of the 1129 00:57:01,720 --> 00:57:06,320 tournament, you could get him so cheap at some points. 1130 00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,120 You know how it is. It's like, I've taken this guy a 1131 00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:09,520 few times. I'm going to mix in like Jaden 1132 00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:10,720 Higgins and I'm like, why? Would I? 1133 00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:12,960 Why did I take Jaden? Jaden Higgins wasn't going to 1134 00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,000 move up. I just just didn't get your 1135 00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:19,400 slutter. So yeah, but he he's up. 1136 00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:21,200 He's up considerably from where he started. 1137 00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:22,840 It's getting starting to get like a little more 1138 00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:25,120 uncomfortable, I think, because now you're talking about a guy 1139 00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:27,960 who could just be straight, straight zeros at at a is like 1140 00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,240 your wider 05. I was talking about buying for a 1141 00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:32,440 pot. It's like it is it's probably 1142 00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:34,640 bad if your wider 05 plays cornerback. 1143 00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,400 Yeah, it's like, what are you? Going to say about the backs 1144 00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:41,840 though, I cut you off. The back, the backs are kind of 1145 00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:46,240 the the big part of this class. And I think Genti, I actually 1146 00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:47,880 think Jetty is a pretty big target right now. 1147 00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:52,520 His ADP is 16 1/2, so it's not like he's cheap, but just an 1148 00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:56,120 outstanding prospect. Pretty good chances that he 1149 00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:58,360 lands somewhere in the first round or he's just like a day 1150 00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:01,160 one guy. I think even some of the spots 1151 00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:03,840 are people like like what if he goes to the Broncos? 1152 00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,280 Like if he goes to the Broncos, I'm going to take him at like 1153 00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:09,520 10. That's a really good offensive 1154 00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:15,600 line and he's awesome. Then you go to, I also think 1155 00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:17,920 with Genti, like he, it's kind of like the he is the one who 1156 00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:22,400 knocks thing of like most other running backs get demoted once 1157 00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:25,000 he's on the depth chart. Maybe not Week 1, but like he's 1158 00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,440 taking a job. That seems very straightforward 1159 00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,480 to me, too. Like wherever he lands, there's 1160 00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,560 going to be capital associated and he's going to go in the 1161 00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,080 first round in August, like he's going to be a first round like 1162 00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,840 Bijan was. I mean, and Bijan, we were 1163 00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,280 worried he's under Arthur Smith and he's going to split with 1164 00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:41,120 Algier. We had all these concerns, but 1165 00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:44,440 he still went like 10 as a rookie and then even higher the 1166 00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:46,280 next year, even though he didn't have a great, necessarily a 1167 00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,400 great rookie year. But like Saquon is a rookie, 1168 00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:50,800 Zeke is a rookie. You keep going back to these 1169 00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:54,560 guys that were, you know, relatively high picks and and 1170 00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:57,360 really thought of the way that Gene T is like, they don't go in 1171 00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:58,600 the second round. They go in the first round. 1172 00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:05,400 The rule. I think the the second tier 1173 00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:06,880 running backs are all pretty good. 1174 00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:08,120 I don't none of them jump out to me. 1175 00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:09,560 It's like you got to hammer this guy. 1176 00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:13,840 It it, it cost, but I think of all of them, actually, maybe 1177 00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:17,400 Quinton Judkins is probably the best value because I think he's 1178 00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:21,040 sort of in, in a tier with the other guys and he's the cheapest 1179 00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:27,360 now of, of the four, Marion Hampton, Caleb Johnson, Treveon 1180 00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:30,080 Henderson and Quinton Judkins are kind of forming a Tier 2. 1181 00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,800 And I think they're all pretty good picks. 1182 00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,560 But yeah, Judkins like a mock draft database. 1183 00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:40,480 Omarion Hampton's at 48, Henderson's 60, Johnson 62, 1184 00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:44,200 Judkins is 63. But in the ADP here you get 1185 00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:47,960 pretty big discount on Judkins relative to even Johnson, so. 1186 00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:52,800 And explain to the uncertainty of that, because when you're 1187 00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:54,520 talking about the mock rot draft database, that means that 1188 00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:57,040 Judkins could pretty easily still go ahead of those guys. 1189 00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:58,960 And if he does, and if the landing spot's better or 1190 00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,960 whatever, his ADP is going to wind up ahead of those guys. 1191 01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:03,480 Yeah. So take the cheaper guy. 1192 01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:06,800 Take the cheaper guy. Yeah, and and I'm just mixing 1193 01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:08,680 them all. Mixing them all in. 1194 01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:11,840 I got Hampton the other day and I was excited about that because 1195 01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:13,960 he's the hardest to get since he's he's more expensive, but I 1196 01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:17,800 think he's fine. Cameron Scataboo just just 1197 01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:18,840 pulled up comment. He's going to shoot up. 1198 01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:20,520 I would say he already has shot up the board. 1199 01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:24,560 He was going in like the one 40s I think and now he's up to 122. 1200 01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:27,440 He's like the full hero of this class too. 1201 01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:29,840 Like he's going to get some meme ability for sure. 1202 01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:33,200 He's kind of like but. He's not like a great heck, 1203 01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:35,680 there is he I. Think he's a good pick there? 1204 01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:37,120 He Is he that good of a prospect? 1205 01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:44,560 He's white. He's he's 81 on mock F database 1206 01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,000 and the big thing is he catches passes. 1207 01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:48,640 He's he's got a really strong cast. 1208 01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:51,200 He's like thick Echolor is kind of like what you're you're 1209 01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:53,720 hoping for. He doesn't have any, didn't have 1210 01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:56,360 anything like top end, but he accelerates. 1211 01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:59,360 He runs like super hard. He's like that's kind of the 1212 01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,200 folk hero stuff is like he just like he's like a big try hard 1213 01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:05,240 white guy, but he's actually like a good pass catcher too. 1214 01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:09,120 And he's big. So I think, I don't know, I 1215 01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:10,800 actually think he's a pretty solid pick. 1216 01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:12,600 I don't know, I want to chase him up too much further from 1217 01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:15,280 here. We have him like ranked right at 1218 01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:20,120 ADP at at the moment. And then after that it gets like 1219 01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:23,440 a little bit there's like a group of guys that I don't love, 1220 01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:27,400 but I think are fine, except for Devin Neil, who I think is a a 1221 01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:31,880 clear target. He's going to 147. 1222 01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:38,000 He just weighed in at 220 lbs at the Senior Bowl, kind of 1223 01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:41,560 profiled this like this year's Bucky as far as like really 1224 01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:44,560 productive, good college peripherals, but wasn't expected 1225 01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:48,600 to be like super athletic. But at 220 lbs, it's like hard 1226 01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:51,320 like I don't he's not going to run like a four or seven. 1227 01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:56,120 You know, he'll be fine. I think teams are going to be 1228 01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:58,360 more willing to cut him some slack if he runs like a four six 1229 01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:01,960 is, is what I'm saying. So I think I like him. 1230 01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:06,160 And then RJ Harvey was a guy that I wasn't particularly into 1231 01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:09,440 at first glance. He's kind of more of like a scat 1232 01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:11,120 back guy. But I was talking to Eric 1233 01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:14,760 Proton, who who's like deep in the weeds college football 1234 01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:18,400 expert predicting, predicting these guys week to week. 1235 01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:23,880 And he's a big RJ Harvey guy and he's really fast and apparently 1236 01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:25,720 having a good Senior Bowl as far as a pass catcher. 1237 01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:29,280 So he's someone I've kind of flipped on a little bit in a in 1238 01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:31,760 a good way. And then you get to the end and 1239 01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:34,760 like you just want to mix it up, Just mix it up. 1240 01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:38,880 There's a bunch of these guys, Damian Martinez, Carlo Mullings, 1241 01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:45,000 Trevor ETN, Prashard Smith, like there's just a lot of them. 1242 01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:48,960 And I don't think it makes sense to have like big, big stands on 1243 01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:51,280 any of the running backs in that range. 1244 01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:56,120 And now we're talking around like pick 210 kind of to 202, 1245 01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:59,240 ten 215, I think. Who was the sickest name though? 1246 01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:03,920 Sick name guy of this class? Maybe not even just a running 1247 01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:06,120 back, but who's the dude that we got to draft because his? 1248 01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:08,800 Name Bashaw Tooten is kind of a fun name. 1249 01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:12,280 His name's Tooten. That's going. 1250 01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:17,520 To be hard drug quest hunter. I like jerkquest hunter. 1251 01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:20,320 That sounds like a guy you can bet on for sure. 1252 01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:25,240 And on that. Trevor Etienne is Travis 1253 01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:26,360 Etienne's brother, so we got the. 1254 01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:31,000 Another Neppo baby. Facial tootin is. 1255 01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:33,480 That was the answer I was looking for. 1256 01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:40,200 Yeah, Facial tootin is pretty good and he's fine. 1257 01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:42,600 I think he's he's another one of these guys you can like mix in 1258 01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:47,560 and then yeah, I will just mention Cologne Mullings. 1259 01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:49,720 He apparently is not participating at this. 1260 01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:54,320 He's he's not. I think he's dealing with a very 1261 01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:56,200 minor injury expected to be full go at the combine. 1262 01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:58,760 But so we're not going to see any of him at the Senior Bowl. 1263 01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:03,040 But I am excited to to kind of get a sense of where the NFL is 1264 01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:06,280 on him. He's a converted linebacker who 1265 01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:09,120 is just really fun to watch. He just gets downhill like 1266 01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:12,840 immediately just runs through dudes and looks like an NFL 1267 01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:15,280 running back to my eyes in a way of like he's going to hit the 1268 01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:17,560 whole like he looks a lot like Tyler Algier and I think 1269 01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:21,320 converted linebacker. I think it'd be fun, like a fun 1270 01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:24,680 fifth round pick who we can take very, very late and might emerge 1271 01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:26,600 down the stretch. Nice. 1272 01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:31,040 All right. I mentioned in the tweet, I 1273 01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:33,240 think the tweet was the only place I mentioned it, but we 1274 01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:37,480 have an announcement for you guys from Gretsch. 1275 01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:41,240 And yeah, I don't feel like I need to set it up anymore other 1276 01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:45,080 than tossing it over to Gretsch. We had a conversation with him 1277 01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:47,760 last week. And yeah, Gretsch want to give 1278 01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:51,400 you the floor here to kind of say it directly to to the ship 1279 01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:56,400 chasers. Yeah, appreciate that. 1280 01:04:56,400 --> 01:05:00,760 It's certainly tough, but this is going to be my last show as a 1281 01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:06,520 regular on ship chasing. It's there's a lot of reasons 1282 01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:09,160 for that. It's been an absolute honor to 1283 01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:10,800 do this with you guys for four years. 1284 01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:15,200 The biggest reason is, is my family's grown up. 1285 01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:17,840 My, my oldest daughter starts high school this fall. 1286 01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:22,800 My youngest is a little more demanding at this age than my 1287 01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:25,320 oldest was at that age. And in some ways, my, my wife 1288 01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:28,800 and I, we kind of went from sort of 0 demanding kids to two 1289 01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:30,400 pretty quickly. The kids go through different 1290 01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:34,000 stages, you guys, you guys know that in the early stages, you 1291 01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:37,680 get kind of a break at a point where, you know, they go off to 1292 01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:39,560 school and, and they're young and they're not really in a ton 1293 01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:41,800 of activities and things are a little easier in elementary 1294 01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:44,000 school. And then they get a little older 1295 01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:47,000 and, and they come back around and, and they need a lot more of 1296 01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:48,960 your time. Man, the chat, you guys are 1297 01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:50,560 killing me. It's going to be hard as it is, 1298 01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:54,920 but I, I, I, this is the the biggest reason this is so hard 1299 01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:56,560 as I do. I love this community so much. 1300 01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:59,200 I love this, this the chat, all you guys. 1301 01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:03,240 I love Pat and Pete and getting the chance to work with you 1302 01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:04,440 guys. I've been so fortunate to do 1303 01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:06,320 this with you guys for so long. Obviously I've already told you 1304 01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:12,080 guys this a ton, but I feel like I, I mean, I feel like in a lot 1305 01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:15,160 of ways that, you know, grew up a ton in the time that we've 1306 01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:17,000 done this together. We've been doing shows together 1307 01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:20,520 weekly for, for over 4 years now. 1308 01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:23,280 I was doing some math in my head and we took some weeks off in 1309 01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:25,720 there, but there's more weeks that we did multiple shows and 1310 01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:27,800 there's 52 weeks in a year. I'm pretty sure we've done over 1311 01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:32,040 200 shows together. Pretty sure our average show is 1312 01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:34,480 well over an hour, probably closer to two hours with how 1313 01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:36,880 many 3/4 hour shows we've done. I mean, I think we've done close 1314 01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:40,080 to 500 hours streaming together in the last four plus years. 1315 01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:43,840 It's a lot of streaming. I spent the heart of my 30s 1316 01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:46,160 talking to you guys. You're 2 of my very best 1317 01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:47,360 friends. I mean, we're Internet friends, 1318 01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:50,120 we've met in person, but we've done so much awesome stuff 1319 01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:53,280 together. And I mean, I'm really excited 1320 01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:55,400 for you guys to continue crushing the show. 1 of the 1321 01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:58,520 other reasons, in addition to my kids growing up, some of the 1322 01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:01,440 stuff like I want to focus on my health more. 1323 01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:04,160 I, you know, I've gained weight over the years and I'm trying to 1324 01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:06,520 free up some time so I can do a better job with my health. 1325 01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:08,440 Something I've talked about a little bit in the ship chasing 1326 01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:13,120 discord at times, one of the other ones is just my own sort 1327 01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:16,840 of interests as a content creator because I, I know I 1328 01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:20,440 appreciate the, the chat, loving, loving it. 1329 01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:22,280 And, and, and saying all these nice comments. 1330 01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:26,320 It's not essentially my own interest, my own skill set. 1331 01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:28,560 It's not something that I think that I'm particularly great at. 1332 01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:31,560 I don't necessarily and I, there might be people who disagree, 1333 01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:32,920 whatever. There are also probably people 1334 01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:34,880 in the chat that are laughing. I'm sure Vadeem's back there 1335 01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:36,800 going, God, I knew that it was coming. 1336 01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:38,400 Gretchen sucks at this. No, I'm just kidding. 1337 01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:43,520 The deep The deep is. Great, The team knows the team 1338 01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:46,440 knows that that that reference, it's from years ago. 1339 01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:49,360 We were kind of joking at each at each other years ago on it, 1340 01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:55,480 but it's something where I don't I don't have necessarily. 1341 01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:00,240 I mean, you guys see me get going with the chat sometimes, 1342 01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:02,360 have a little bit of thinner skin, get pretty passionate 1343 01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:04,480 about sometimes about things sometimes. 1344 01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:08,880 And it it does affect me outside of the streaming a little bit 1345 01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:10,440 sometimes, to be completely honest. 1346 01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:12,400 And so when I'm thinking about ways that I want to free up more 1347 01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:16,640 time with my family and things, it's it's this the live 1348 01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:18,760 streaming that for me was like, yeah, that's the thing that 1349 01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:23,120 there's the most like friction. It's not, you know, for any 1350 01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:30,000 reason other than I'm not particularly like whatever. 1351 01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:33,359 I, I just I, I, I, I get the way that I would put it is I've been 1352 01:08:33,359 --> 01:08:36,600 asked a ton of times what like what you can do to break it into 1353 01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:38,720 the industry and these things. And people say you've got to 1354 01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:42,000 find the niche, you got to do something unique or whatever. 1355 01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:45,200 And my thought is always like been on those lines. 1356 01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:49,520 But as I've gotten a little older, I think my main, like 1357 01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:52,720 other thought has been you got to be really true to yourself 1358 01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:54,359 about what you're good at in those things. 1359 01:08:54,359 --> 01:08:58,560 I think I'd do a much better job weighing my thoughts and the 1360 01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:02,000 ways that I want to do things in writing and and the different 1361 01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:03,880 interactions that I have in in writing. 1362 01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:07,720 And I will continue to do that writing and I'll do you know, 1363 01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:10,920 recorded podcast over stealing bananas still, and I'll still be 1364 01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:13,600 coming on the show. You guys, you know, thankfully 1365 01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:15,920 let me know open door policy whenever I want to come on and 1366 01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:17,479 I'll be back for sure all the time. 1367 01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:23,200 But it is something that the actual, you know, the streaming 1368 01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:26,720 element of it, the, the, the live element of it isn't as 1369 01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:28,640 easy. I think is, you know, probably 1370 01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:30,560 it feels for other people when they're watching. 1371 01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:33,000 And to me, in some respects, it's like it's a young man's 1372 01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:35,359 game. And I think you 2 are both just 1373 01:09:35,359 --> 01:09:37,040 so good at it. I told you guys this personally, 1374 01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:39,720 but I don't think the chat probably knows or understands 1375 01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:41,439 how freaking good you 2 are at it. 1376 01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:45,479 And how lucky in for me that I feel that I was to work with you 1377 01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:47,240 guys. So that for any reason that the 1378 01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:50,120 chat may think that I'm actually good at streaming, I would give 1379 01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:52,720 both of you 2 the credit for because you guys have been so 1380 01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:56,040 good at, you know, balancing my imperfections. 1381 01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:58,920 I'm not necessarily national natural conversationalist, not a 1382 01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:00,960 great listener. I cut people off constantly on 1383 01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:03,800 this show. Those are whatever, you know, 1384 01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:07,680 those are minor things. But Pete, you are so good with 1385 01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:09,520 your improvisational stuff. So good as a host. 1386 01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:13,320 Obviously you've built an entire empire of on YouTube and Pat 1387 01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:15,560 your your superpower. And the thing that I've learned 1388 01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:17,760 so much from you about is how nothing ever really gets under 1389 01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:20,280 your skin. You're so chill about stuff and 1390 01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:21,880 like, I'm a lot more thin skinned. 1391 01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:24,440 Skinned stuff does bug me and stick with me and that kind of 1392 01:10:24,440 --> 01:10:26,440 stuff. So anyway, that's, that's just 1393 01:10:26,440 --> 01:10:28,520 me wanting to give a little bit more color to it. 1394 01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:30,880 It's not like a major issue. The biggest thing is that, you 1395 01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:32,600 know, I want to spend more time with my family. 1396 01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:36,480 I am getting older, but it's also, you know, I've loved doing 1397 01:10:36,480 --> 01:10:38,600 this for four years. This is the place that I wanted. 1398 01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:40,720 If I if I was going to keep streaming, this is the place 1399 01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:42,120 where I'd do it. This is the place that I've 1400 01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:43,200 loved doing. I've loved doing it with 1401 01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:46,360 YouTube. I've loved doing it with this 1402 01:10:46,440 --> 01:10:50,520 community, these people in the chat like it's it's the coolest 1403 01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:55,480 freaking thing that I get to do it here in this setting with you 1404 01:10:55,480 --> 01:10:59,880 2 and with these people that watch that makes it so hard to 1405 01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:01,400 walk away from. But that's why I'm kind of 1406 01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:03,400 giving a little bit more color about why I'm making that 1407 01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:06,920 decision because it is more just a broad thing where it's like 1408 01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:09,800 it's not really what I'm passionate about or I love. 1409 01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:13,440 I don't think I was like designed to be a streamer, you 1410 01:11:13,440 --> 01:11:15,360 know, as a human. Look, that's just a reality of 1411 01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:17,160 it. So I'll still be around. 1412 01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:20,960 Like I said, I'll still pop in, you know, the ship chasing meet 1413 01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:22,040 up that we talked about this summer. 1414 01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:23,760 I've already talked to Pat and Pete and Penn, like, man, I 1415 01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:25,000 still want to definitely try to make that. 1416 01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:28,160 I'm not 100% sure that I will, but it's it's already something 1417 01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:31,320 that I'm, you know, in my mind planning that I got it, I got to 1418 01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:33,640 make happen. I want to see the people that 1419 01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:36,400 I've had the opportunity to meet in person over the years. 1420 01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:40,440 That's another, you know, part of this that has been so cool is 1421 01:11:40,440 --> 01:11:42,560 the opportunity to meet that some of the community in person. 1422 01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:44,760 But even those of you who, you know, haven't had a chance to 1423 01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:48,720 meet in person, that have just been in the chat or even just 1424 01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:54,800 been watching, have been just absolutely the the coolest 1425 01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:56,640 people. And, and, and I consider friends 1426 01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:59,080 as well the same way that I consider, you know, Pat and Pete 1427 01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:01,760 to be really good friends. It's been just an awesome, an 1428 01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:04,040 awesome time here. And the word that I use for you 1429 01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:07,640 guys was fulfilling because, you know, I found two people who 1430 01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:10,320 were willing to kind of let me be me and, and let me be the 1431 01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:13,640 better version of myself as an analyst and do this medium that 1432 01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:15,680 again, I don't think I'm necessarily great at. 1433 01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:17,840 And that was really fulfilling for me. 1434 01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:19,680 And it has been, and it's been really, really cool. 1435 01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:23,600 Well, and I'll, I'll just say for us, like, I mean, obviously 1436 01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:26,960 this started initially as Fantasyland and then something 1437 01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:29,400 that was unfortunately called High Stakes Diaries. 1438 01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:31,880 There was. There was. 1439 01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:33,720 Technically, there was. Virgins at one point, right? 1440 01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:35,840 High stakes Diaries of high stakes virgins. 1441 01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:37,280 Oh. You're right, you're right, they 1442 01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:38,120 haven't. Got even. 1443 01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:39,120 Worse. It was worse and. 1444 01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:42,840 And technically there was a period of ship chasing that 1445 01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:45,440 didn't involve Gretsch, but like when I hear ship chasing like I 1446 01:12:45,440 --> 01:12:49,280 don't even think of anything other than US 3 doing the show. 1447 01:12:49,440 --> 01:12:50,960 I literally. Don't even remember the. 1448 01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:54,560 The origins of you becoming like full time with us, it just felt, 1449 01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:57,000 I think at the time it just felt so natural of like, of course 1450 01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:59,880 you're now on the show with us. Every you've been doing, Yeah, 1451 01:12:59,880 --> 01:13:02,320 my, my Rep is like, you've been doing the show with us every 1452 01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:04,640 week for like a year. So I think you're on it, dude. 1453 01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:12,160 And I, I already told you this in our our other call off off 1454 01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:14,760 air that I think you're definitely selling yourself 1455 01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:18,880 short as a broadcaster and a live streamer because you bring 1456 01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:21,920 so much to the table, both your analysis and just your energy. 1457 01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:24,320 Like the thing people don't realize when you talk about 1458 01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:27,120 being a good live streamer is you got to be in it. 1459 01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:28,640 Like you got to be having fun with it. 1460 01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:30,920 You got to be someone who's looking forward to what they're 1461 01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:32,240 doing. And you were always present. 1462 01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:33,720 You are always bringing that energy. 1463 01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:36,320 And that's why everyone in the chat is devastated that you're 1464 01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:38,560 not going to be on the show every single week. 1465 01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:41,720 But all the reasons you gave, like all of that hit home. 1466 01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:44,800 Similar stuff we've already told you as far as like we understand 1467 01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:47,800 with the family stuff and how hard it is to pry back time in 1468 01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:49,720 your day. We understand how stuff on the 1469 01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:52,480 Internet can affect in fact, you we understand like all of it. 1470 01:13:52,480 --> 01:13:55,800 So for us, like it's, it's really a a bummer. 1471 01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:58,400 But there's nothing that's like confusing about it to us. 1472 01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:01,000 And hopefully the audience feels the same way. 1473 01:14:01,480 --> 01:14:05,560 And as as you said, as Pat said, like open door policy, we're 1474 01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:07,880 gonna do drafts with you. You can drop by when it works 1475 01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:10,320 with your schedule. It's just that you're not gonna 1476 01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:12,320 be here every single week at, you know? 1477 01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:15,360 3:00. On a Thursday and and that's OK, 1478 01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:20,680 but ship chasing would not have become what it is without you. 1479 01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:23,480 And it's going to feel weird, man, because you are. 1480 01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:25,640 It's not saying you're a big part of the show like you are 1481 01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:27,200 this show. Yeah, exactly. 1482 01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:28,440 And we're going to miss you, man. 1483 01:14:28,480 --> 01:14:30,760 And still will be, you know, even if you're not here every 1484 01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:33,240 every week, you know, you'll be well, as you said, you'll be 1485 01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:36,760 back for some, some guest ups. And in person. 1486 01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:40,960 I mean, I'm, I'm, you know, the in person stuff is such a cool 1487 01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:42,880 element of this. So I'm hope we get to hang out 1488 01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:44,840 again soon. Yeah, for sure. 1489 01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:48,560 And I mean, I really appreciate all those thoughts from both of 1490 01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:50,960 you. The chat that is my surrogate 1491 01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:51,840 father. I feel sad. 1492 01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:54,960 I don't feel like I, I mean, I think you 2 are the parents in 1493 01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:56,200 the room. I'm kind of the font uncle. 1494 01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:59,040 So I'll still be coming in as the font uncle who's like, you 1495 01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:01,000 know, a little too tipsy on stream sometimes. 1496 01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:06,240 But yeah, man, I'm I somebody else in the chat said something 1497 01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:08,960 like weaving quite a tale here. And I mean, a big part of the 1498 01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:12,040 reason I I did that. I wrote down all these thoughts 1499 01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:14,120 over here. I wanted to make sure to, to, to 1500 01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:15,800 explain it. Well, first of all, it's because 1501 01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:17,240 I am who I am. You guys have watched the show 1502 01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:19,160 before. You know that when I get going, 1503 01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:24,280 I'm going to go for a while, but it's, it's also that like I'm a, 1504 01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:27,000 a very like curious person by nature. 1505 01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:29,120 So whenever this kind of thing happens, my mind sets always 1506 01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:31,400 like, whoa, you know, what's the real story behind the scenes or 1507 01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:32,480 something? And I, and I always hear other 1508 01:15:32,480 --> 01:15:35,480 people say that kind of stuff. Just important for me not to, to 1509 01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:38,960 reiterate that I have felt so fortunate to get to work with 1510 01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:41,240 Pat and Pete. I mean, those of you who've met 1511 01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:43,160 him in Vegas know this, but they're even better people 1512 01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:44,920 behind the scenes than they are in person. 1513 01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:47,520 I, I mean, you guys talked about all the stuff that we've done 1514 01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:49,960 together on ship chasing. Like I said, I we've developed 1515 01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:52,920 these friendships feel like growing up in a lot of ways. 1516 01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:56,000 Or you know, during this time, I've watched both of you guys 1517 01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:57,680 become parents. I've watched Pat become a 1518 01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:00,720 millionaire at this time, I've watched Pete grow this awesome 1519 01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:02,680 YouTube empire. There's so many memories I've 1520 01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:05,040 been thinking about a lot over the last like week or so. 1521 01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:08,400 The things that we've done. I mean it cuz it, I started in 1522 01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:11,680 the fall of 2020 right in the middle of a pandemic. 1523 01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:14,560 And we used to just chill on here for like 3 hours cuz what 1524 01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:16,440 the hell else were we doing at that time, right? 1525 01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:19,600 And then after the show, we would hang out for like 2 hours 1526 01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:22,920 more just talk and like chill. Like, I mean, we would, we we 1527 01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:27,240 did that for so long, you know, during those years where we were 1528 01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:29,920 just like looking for something social as part of this. 1529 01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:33,320 And you know, I've been dreading this, talking about it. 1530 01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:36,600 That's why I ran through 9,000,000 words in 30 seconds 1531 01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:39,040 right there. But at the same time, we got on 1532 01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:42,520 the stream to talk about these underdog AD PS And you know, I 1533 01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:44,400 was like, man, it's going to be kind of tough to do a show 1534 01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:47,400 because we got that announcement coming at the end. 1535 01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:49,520 And I wanted it to be at the end because I wanted an opportunity 1536 01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:51,480 to go a little long for the people who want to listen to it, 1537 01:16:51,480 --> 01:16:53,640 but not have it be like too much of a thing or whatever. 1538 01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:58,400 But we get on that stream and like the 45 minutes or whatever 1539 01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:01,520 an hour before we got into this just absolutely flew by and I 1540 01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:03,800 had an awesome time chatting ball with you guys and chatting 1541 01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:08,800 about AD PS And like the when I when I talk a little bit about 1542 01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:11,280 the like, you know, comments getting into my skin or things 1543 01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:12,520 like that of the streaming stuff. 1544 01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:14,520 Like, again, I just want to reiterate that getting a chance 1545 01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:17,240 to do it with you guys is what has made it so much fun over the 1546 01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:19,800 years and made it so manageable and whatever. 1547 01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:24,120 Because like, what just happened for me in the first hour of this 1548 01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:27,160 stream where I was like stressed out coming on the show and then 1549 01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:29,120 had an awesome time. And then now we're having to 1550 01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:32,120 have this conversation, which is the chats going, Ben's going to 1551 01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:33,840 cry. I mean, look, I'm not not going 1552 01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:34,280 to cry. Yeah. 1553 01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:39,680 No, I couldn't agree more. It's all, it's always been a 1554 01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:41,680 blast. We've prepped I think 1555 01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:45,760 approximately like 0 minutes for combined shows over the last. 1556 01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:50,920 You know, it's just we get on, we jam out and just like RIP off 1557 01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:53,080 one another. And that's been the the joy of 1558 01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:56,720 it for me. For sure, and I'm sure people 1559 01:17:56,720 --> 01:18:00,640 want, you know, show for for us. You know what, we'll keep 1560 01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:02,000 rolling. We're going to keep having the 1561 01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:05,480 time. You know, Pat and I will discuss 1562 01:18:05,480 --> 01:18:09,040 some stuff, but same as same as usual on our end. 1563 01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:13,520 And like we've said a few times, Gretsch open door policy when he 1564 01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:18,240 wants to swing by all of the the tent pole streams, all that good 1565 01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:20,160 stuff. Maybe we have to have AI. 1566 01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:22,520 Don't know how much it aligns with your new health goals, but 1567 01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:25,080 if you want to ring the bell. You. 1568 01:18:26,480 --> 01:18:29,800 Could do that, but yeah, man, it's it. 1569 01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:35,160 It won't be the same not having you around here, but fully 1570 01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:38,960 appreciate you needing to kind of take care of what you need to 1571 01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:41,320 take care of and prioritizing that stuff because it's it's 1572 01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:43,680 very important. Yeah. 1573 01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:48,200 I mean, that's again well said. And yeah, I mean, I just want to 1574 01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:51,480 say one more time that I really appreciate the chat and, you 1575 01:18:51,480 --> 01:18:54,800 know, the audio listeners and, and everyone that's that's hung 1576 01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:57,120 out over the years, If you listen, if you've only, you 1577 01:18:57,120 --> 01:18:59,320 know, watched a couple of shows, if you've watched a bunch of 1578 01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:02,920 shows, if somebody in there was like, this is the first. 1579 01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:04,000 Time. It's his first shot. 1580 01:19:04,200 --> 01:19:10,320 I thought that, yeah, like we've done this like 200 times and 1581 01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:11,560 this. Is his first shot. 1582 01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:15,240 I think, I think that's a testament to how good my title 1583 01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:17,600 was. The most absurd 25. 1584 01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:20,680 So we're just searching YouTube and like what is the Most absurd 1585 01:19:20,680 --> 01:19:22,640 1. That's amazing. 1586 01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:27,160 But yeah, I mean, I, there's not really much more I can say. 1587 01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:31,520 And you know, it as a sort of my, my, my style. 1588 01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:33,880 I wanted to get a lot out there and I kind of threw it all out 1589 01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:36,080 there, but now I'm kind of feeling the emotion of it. 1590 01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:40,720 So I just, yeah, I think we got to, we got to shut it down and, 1591 01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:43,680 and, and move on. I mean, it's, it's one of those 1592 01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:46,720 things where it's like, you know, the kind of thing about it 1593 01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:49,880 too, like whatever, like bands break up shows that you love and 1594 01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:53,000 whatever things happen and like you guys are going to you guys 1595 01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:55,480 are the heart of this show. You guys, again, are the good 1596 01:19:55,480 --> 01:19:57,880 streamers. I'm an analyst like I if you 1597 01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:01,160 guys bring on a new person to fill my seat, that person's 1598 01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:03,880 going to fit in seamlessly because you guys are so freaking 1599 01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:06,600 good at what you do. I mean that so genuinely. 1600 01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:09,560 And I'm excited for that for you guys and for the Chad and for 1601 01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:12,800 everybody. But it is one. 1602 01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:15,640 Of you like yeah, you reiterate for people who like think you're 1603 01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:18,440 not you're just not doing ship chasing regularly. 1604 01:20:18,440 --> 01:20:21,280 All you're the sub stack even let people know. 1605 01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:23,000 Stealing bananas like let people know. 1606 01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:26,280 Yeah, stealing, stealing sub stack is Yeah, Ben 1607 01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:29,080 gretch.substack.com is the stealing signal sub stack. 1608 01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:31,600 I'm still doing the betting stuff as well as stealing lines. 1609 01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:36,720 And then I have the Stealing Bananas podcast with with Sean 1610 01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:39,360 Siegel where I'll still be doing those. 1611 01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:41,480 I mean, we record those at various times. 1612 01:20:41,480 --> 01:20:43,520 It's less stringent on, you know, we move things around. 1613 01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:45,240 Sometimes we just take weeks off whatever. 1614 01:20:45,240 --> 01:20:49,800 And and it's a little bit easier as well on the pre recording 1615 01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:52,760 side as opposed to live streaming. 1616 01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:55,280 It feels a little bit different, at least for me, as far as 1617 01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:59,080 making content. And so, yeah, also be doing that 1618 01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:02,480 podcast and the and the newsletter are the two the two 1619 01:21:02,480 --> 01:21:05,840 main things. But yeah, I just wanted to, I 1620 01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:09,320 guess wrap it up by saying that, yeah, things do come to an end. 1621 01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:11,720 That's the that's the way I'm looking at it is like, yeah, I 1622 01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:14,680 mean, we one of the like big things I learned in business 1623 01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:17,840 early on when I started doing my own stuff at that newsletter was 1624 01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:19,920 like, it's there's a lot of value in saying no, right? 1625 01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:22,840 And that's not what this is. But it's sort of similar is like 1626 01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:25,760 value in knowing when things are kind of just at the natural 1627 01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:27,800 point where you, you know, it's time to move on. 1628 01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:31,680 And for me, like it's really important that I that I be a 1629 01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:36,600 good dad at this stage of my two daughters lives and anything 1630 01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:39,080 that's kind of getting in the way of that in any way, even 1631 01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:43,000 just for me emotionally was not probably the right thing. 1632 01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:46,320 And and so it's not, it's not like there's been like a an 1633 01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:48,960 event or any kind of problem there or anything, right. 1634 01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:51,680 And I mean, This is why I just want to wrap it up because you 1635 01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:53,840 get talking and you're like, I don't know, I'm making it sound 1636 01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:58,200 weird, but it's just, I want to, I want to focus on different 1637 01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:00,680 things. And you know, that's just sort 1638 01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:03,280 of the natural like like you guys said, we still have to do 1639 01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:04,600 this. It wasn't like a plan where I 1640 01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:06,440 just started doing the shows with you guys and then we 1641 01:22:06,440 --> 01:22:07,760 started doing it more and more and more. 1642 01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:09,560 And we've done them for over 4 years now. 1643 01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:12,320 And like, that's where I'm at with it. 1644 01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:14,480 As we, you know, as we close this down and I won't be here 1645 01:22:14,480 --> 01:22:17,360 next week is like, I feel so freaking blessed to look back on 1646 01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:20,320 these four years and be like, this has been an awesome ride. 1647 01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:23,120 Like something that was so fulfilling, Probably the most 1648 01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:27,400 fulfilling thing I've done in content in this industry in, in, 1649 01:22:27,480 --> 01:22:30,000 you know, this little weird career that I've carved out. 1650 01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:32,600 I've had so much fun. We've done so many, such a 1651 01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:36,760 variety of things, so many guests on so many different 1652 01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:40,880 types of live streams, drafting the playoff stuff, which like 1653 01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:43,200 will probably be something I'll be around for next year because 1654 01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:45,280 I'll want to come hang with you guys and do that stuff. 1655 01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:49,520 The NFL draft streams, which you guys are going to see me for 1656 01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:51,320 because what the hell else am I going to do on the NFL, Jeff? 1657 01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:52,440 I'm going to want to come hang with you guys. 1658 01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:55,240 Like I'm not going to fucking watch the draft on my own. 1659 01:22:55,280 --> 01:23:00,200 Like there's a whole lot of of variety to the things that we've 1660 01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:02,680 done over the years, the clips, everything that I just look back 1661 01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:04,880 on and I'm like, man, I'm, I'm going to have that with me for 1662 01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:06,840 the rest of my life. And it's so, so cool. 1663 01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:09,120 And at the same time, like I said, streaming's kind of a 1664 01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:10,840 young man's game. It's a hard thing for me to 1665 01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:13,080 answer the bell every week at this point. 1666 01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:15,040 I know what the whole offseason's like. 1667 01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:17,400 I know what the the drafting season's like. 1668 01:23:17,400 --> 01:23:18,800 I know what the end season's like. 1669 01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:20,920 And I know that it's something that I can't really give my all 1670 01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:23,440 to anymore. You know, I the other thing I 1671 01:23:23,440 --> 01:23:27,040 didn't want to go into is like how much I, I do tend to drink 1672 01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:28,800 on stream because I know like Chad's been like, dude, you got 1673 01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:31,440 a drinking problem before and I got kind of mad at him one time. 1674 01:23:31,440 --> 01:23:35,000 But I like the funny part about that is I like never drink other 1675 01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:37,600 than on stream, but I, I, that's another thing where it's an 1676 01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:43,120 example of what was a, a signal to me that it's time is that I, 1677 01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:46,360 I felt like in this last year, I was leaning on, on drinking more 1678 01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:49,000 as sort of a crutch to kind of like go be fun on stream on 1679 01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:50,800 camera live. And it's like, if you're doing 1680 01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:53,440 that, man, you got to rethink like the decisions you're 1681 01:23:53,440 --> 01:23:55,040 making. I mean, it's, it's not that it's 1682 01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:56,680 a bad thing. It's not that I, I feel like 1683 01:23:56,680 --> 01:23:58,560 it's a massive problem. I haven't drank at all in 1684 01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:00,080 January. I'm doing a dry January. 1685 01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:02,400 I'm going to probably go a couple more months and I can 1686 01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:03,720 still stream with you guys and do that. 1687 01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:06,760 But if I'm starting to use that as a crutch or something, then 1688 01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:08,840 that's your signal, That's your sign that like you're not doing 1689 01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:10,720 healthy stuff anymore. It's just time. 1690 01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:13,160 And, and that's what life is. You know, there's stages and 1691 01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:15,320 there's, there's a moment in time where you're like, I'm 1692 01:24:15,320 --> 01:24:20,360 going to, I'm going to move forward and I'm going to yeah. 1693 01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:23,560 And you guys are going to continue to to crush and and I'm 1694 01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:26,960 anyway I'm, I'm just, yeah, I'm ready. 1695 01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:31,680 Well here's the thing, you know Patrick said the outro music is 1696 01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:33,720 going to hit a little harder today. 1697 01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:35,680 Tim said. Got to play a clip to send 1698 01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:37,120 Gretch out in the true ship chasing away. 1699 01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:41,880 What if I told you we have a special clip, a never debuted 1700 01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:44,480 clip? Maybe you could even call it the 1701 01:24:44,480 --> 01:24:47,480 Gretchest hits. This is how we're going out 1702 01:24:47,480 --> 01:24:50,440 today. A celebration, a Ben Gretch. 1703 01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:57,560 Let's do it do. You guys remember that? 1704 01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:00,240 Hang on one second. I want to make sure I get this 1705 01:25:00,240 --> 01:25:02,800 on the screen right? My bad. 1706 01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:05,360 And then we can do this. Here song. 1707 01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:12,360 This is what? This is what do you guys 1708 01:25:12,360 --> 01:25:14,200 remember that This is why I'm hot song. 1709 01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:18,160 This is why This is why This is why I'm hot then six hours ago 1710 01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:23,880 could speak to it better. But Jesus this morning we were 1711 01:25:23,880 --> 01:25:26,400 talking about your birthday that mine's in 10 days. 1712 01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:29,760 I also will be 35. We were born 10 days apart. 1713 01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:31,680 Wow bro. You're ten days old then. 1714 01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:35,720 I could like, be your dad, dude. I don't really have like a 1715 01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:40,160 clear, you know, to quote my NFT Bros road map for where we're 1716 01:25:40,160 --> 01:26:03,920 headed here. Go dogs. 1717 01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:11,160 I used to be able to name and spell every country Trump 1718 01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:14,960 capital in the fucking world. Spelled Kurdistan right now. 1719 01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:26,040 KYRGYR I could when I'm rage you dipshit. 1720 01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:28,960 This is important for dad's work. 1721 01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:34,480 I'm a community could party with me except Chris G and Patton 1722 01:26:34,480 --> 01:26:41,640 Pete. You're eating nachos like these. 1723 01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:45,400 Fucking Cleopatra eating grapes. Well, let's get some Taco Bell. 1724 01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:48,680 Forget whether you know Ball. It's all about whether you know 1725 01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:52,600 Bell. There's different ways for the 1726 01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:54,640 order to go, guys. There's going to be some Nacho 1727 01:26:54,640 --> 01:26:56,560 cheese involved. No sour cream. 1728 01:26:56,560 --> 01:26:59,000 Replace it with Nacho cheese. You do the Nacho cheese, 1729 01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:01,880 chalupa, maybe a cantina Taco. Pretty good. 1730 01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:06,640 PS You take a look before. You took a look at the Taco Bell 1731 01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:08,640 menu board. Are you ordering the bell? 1732 01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:09,520 Are you ringing the bell? No. 1733 01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:12,080 I'm not worrying the bell. I only ordered the bell. 1734 01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:12,800 Would we? Sweep. 1735 01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:15,640 I just want everyone to know I'm going to be ringing the bell. 1736 01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:19,480 So Oh my God, they put it the wrong place. 1737 01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:22,880 They sent me a picture of somebody else's house. 1738 01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:25,640 This is the house I lived in four years ago. 1739 01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:29,600 You have the wrong fucking address in dude. 1740 01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:36,960 Gretch, I'm starting to think you don't know bell man. 1741 01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:41,680 Any final words guys? DJ Moore Week. 1742 01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:45,280 All right, we got DJ Moore week. We got Brandon Iuke week. 1743 01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:50,880 Gretch, what do you got for us? Oh man, I don't have a good week 1744 01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:54,320 for you. Put on the Lavisca highlighter 1745 01:27:54,320 --> 01:27:56,200 or something for three seconds. Give me one. 1746 01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:08,880 All right, you got to take Ben. Gabriel Davis Week. 1747 01:28:09,960 --> 01:28:11,240 Week. We'll see you guys next time.