We're back for Thursday afternoon offseason ship chasing
and today we are going to pull up the AD PS We started to
reference them a little bit last week.
We now have the big board officially launched on underdog.
So we are going to take a little stroll through the ADP
landscape. What strikes us as good, what
strikes us as bad, all of that stuff.
Gretsch has been fresh off of his targets per route run series
over on stealing signals. Pat has been in the lab over at
legendary upside with their rankings.
So all kinds of good fodder for conversation and nitpicking
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Let me get the background updated here we are live on
ship. Ji just realized I hadn't been
doing our overlays the past couple weeks.
I've been I've been rusty here, but it.
Was it before? What are we open with?
Well, no, no, I I just didn't do this.
It looked like it was just like that.
And I have. These fancy little boxes.
God, God it. Makes us look very professional.
I'm laughing because I I hadn't checked.
I hadn't seen this conversation this morning in our our playoff
basketball God, have you guys seen?
That yeah, talking ourselves into some absurd Super Bowl
outcomes that will win US the tournament.
Yeah, I I haven't even weighed in because like, I just don't
want to kick Leonie Wise down like after the whole Dills
losing the Super Bowl. But yeah, like Gretch said,
they're going to run Sims on like our odds of winning under
like very specific circumstances like KC Defense outscoring
Kelsey by 8 and Worthy by 5. I'm just.
Going to let up. I'm not going to I'm.
Not well, but they're doing the same thing basically, Yeah, I'm
just going to if a kicker if a Casey saw fade becomes optimal
in A33 Gamer Super. Bowl, we're going to win.
All the money will win, yeah. I think he put the odds in it,
so it was 7.1. Then he added the worthy thing
and it came down 2.8. So let's say, I think it came
down to what we have about a 4% chance.
That seems way too high for what we have.
I know. I, I I'll take it.
I'll take that 4% chance is pretty sweet for what we need to
happen. Yeah.
And you know, it's, you know, I don't think I'm going to make a
big bet or anything on the game. I like the idea of my like big
interest is just the KCDST for me having a big game.
Would it be shocking if they had multiple return touched?
I mean yes it would, but like. It could be, it could happen
like very shy, especially because like the Eagles, don't
throw the ball. The Eagles.
OK, but what if? What if Kansas City runs back
the opening kick for a TD? At what point?
Because that's when I go. That's when.
Honestly, the way this is gone, I'll start tilting the bucker
points. If they if the DSTS going, we're
like we're going to need bucker, Bucker's the one we need.
Yeah, field goals. Only we're also going to be
like, it is kind of funny the way the Chief stuff has.
I mean, not that many people use Pacheco either, but it's like
every Kareem Hunt touchdowns good, every Juju Smith Shuster
touchdowns good. Like when you're fading the big
dogs, those random pieces are actually really nice.
But the Kelsey thing, I mean the only reason this really popped
up is because he had like 2 catches for 15 yards in the last
round. Like with tight end premium, he
has to have another game where he catches 2 balls for 15 yards
right? Like it's so hard to beat to
beat him otherwise. It it.
Let's not forget too, the opposing tight end that just
faced this Eagles defense earned 16 fucking targets last week.
So 4% is right other than that. We're in good shape.
So Pat, you've been, you're, you're already in the big board
streets. I, I assume Gretchen and I are
aligned in that neither of us have done a big board draft, but
Pat, I'm guessing you can't say the same.
I cannot say the same. Let me let me see how many
drafts I've done. Completed drafts. 17 big board
drafts in the books. Wow.
Any slogs are all fat, they're all fast.
I think he. Is 122.
Sorry, I'm just right now looking at ADP's.
Who's ADP? Travis ETN.
Yeah. Really late on ETN, I've been
taking ETN, yeah. One 22122 I didn't.
Even get that far? On my show on Monday I started
scrolling through some of these. I didn't even get that far.
That's nuts. He he started much lower.
He started in like the one 40s. People think Bigsby, like, took
his job this year, which is just not a thing that actually
happened. He's not.
Yeah, it's not a lot of the early down stuff, but ETN was
always playing more snaps and was injured and like what?
Now they have Liam Cohen. What are we doing?
I don't know. I mean I do I did want like his
I was going to about to have like a really big bag on ETN and
I did go look at his efficiency this past year and it is bad and
it is a super deep running back class.
So if you think about like, this guy could lose his job pretty
easily over the course of the year, and the fact they brought
in Cohen is not necessarily good for a running back who's had two
bad years in a row. You know, they might be looking
for a new guy. And there's lots of guys,
there's so many guys in this draft box that could like
outperform what ETN's done do. You think the guy going right
ahead of him is somebody that could lose his job?
Also dude. Rico Dowdle is a free agent like
this. This is the so on a lot of these
AB PS we have you know, we're tied to the ADP.
We don't want to like go too far not on Rico Dowdle.
Rico Dowdle is arguably the worst pick in the entire player
pool and you guys know of someone I was into.
So it's the last year. So it's like hardly like I have
a bias against I still. Got to nominate Pacheco for that
one, but. Oh, Pacheco very much.
We have him. Newt.
I mean he's, I think I took him
for the first time at like think 119 and I was like, what's he
doing here? Because his ADP is like 60
something. Look at this ADP Gretsch.
He's at 72. It's.
Out by Kareem Hunt right now. ADP is 72.
He's literally not even a starter on his own team in the
playoffs and it's a super deep running back class.
So but Dowdle, yeah, Dowdle we have at 163 and his ADP is 120.
I don't, I don't get it. Like he's.
That's weird, yeah. He's not on the top like you go
look at like ESPN plus like what they have the free agency class
ranked like top 50 free agents. He's not in there.
He's in like the honorable mentions, but he's behind Aaron
Jones, well behind Najee Harris. Like he's probably a backup
running back next year, but we don't know behind who.
At some point I could see myself drafting him, but I don't know.
I don't know. It's just a really weird ADP.
This one I saw you're right up on on Pacheco and thought that
was that was sharp for sure. He's way overpriced, way
overpriced. Yeah, that I, I mean, we're,
we're just going to popcorn around here, guys.
Anything that stands out to us because kind of like Gretsch,
some of these I'm seeing for the first time, like, oh, go ahead.
Naji Harris. Naji Harris is one that I think
is undervalued. And again, I did not expect to
be the Naji Harris Bull, But like, he is a free agent and
there are some really good landing spots where you could
have him form a committee with, you know, with a rookie and
potentially where he kind of just gets fed his.
Style of the question, Yeah, yeah, no, when I saw the ETN
thing, I, I picked on Dowdle instead.
I saw Harris's name. He's always our our foil, right?
Like, but I was like, I don't really want to pick on Harris at
a 122 ADP. His style of back is the style
of back that benefited so much this year with the lighter.
We've had a progression over multiple years with the lighter
linebackers, lighter defenders, right?
We saw we see rushing boost. I wrote about this a little bit
in my like my whatever biggest thoughts from the 2024 season
article right after the season ended.
But I felt like the lighter, faster, more explosive backs
didn't necessarily benefit from this particular feature.
But we had bigger backs that were just like 10% better than
you'd expect, which included like Brian Robinson had a great
year. Zach Charbonnet was sort of
better than Walker, who Walker's heavier than you think, but he's
that style of back. There's several other ones that
I use as examples. I can't recall right off the
top. Dave Montgomery had another
really strong year. It's like all these dudes, Joe
Mixon is always like played lighter than he is, but finally
like looked like for a part of the year for Houston that back
that was like a size speed, actual like positive, right,
Because there's dudes in the secondary, these lighter
defenders that don't want to block you on the OR tackle you
on the second level anyway. I think that that trend in the
real NFL trend is very favorable for Naji as a free agent.
Someone's going to go pay him. They want heavier backs right
now. Yeah, I think, I mean think
about Naji, first round pedigree.
Does that matter for his skill at this point?
No, he's not very good, but it should help him on the free
agent market compared to a guy like a Rico Dowdell, like who's
more likely to get installed as, as us, you know, at least A1A,
if not an outright starter Week 1 Naji by a mile.
And, you know, I don't want to touch Naji if he's going in the
sixth round, but he strikes me as someone who, like, could go
in the sixth round if he lands like the nuts, you know, in
terms of landing spot. But there's actually quite a few
good landing spots. Like he could go.
What if he goes to the Raiders and it's just like their
backfield and he's probably seventh round pick?
Carol would love Najee Harris. Yeah, he would.
Absolutely. He's a new Marshawn Lynch.
You know, we're going to get that narrative.
So I I just think it's like all, a lot of the volatilities to the
upside on Najee at this price. And he started lower too.
He was, he was buried in the initial ranks.
He's like 14150. It was crazy as I was like
taking them, you know, I was taking the one 30s, but still
well ahead of ADP. The yeah, I mean, people talking
about the Cowboys in the chat, I mean, we're about to enter
another offseason where whichever running back, whether
free agent, whether NFL draft ends up in Dallas, that that
ADP, there's not a ceiling on it, it feels like.
Yeah. Yeah.
The the tricky part for Naji is that this class does have a
bunch of big running backs, like 2/22/30 type of guys.
So and, and who are like going to be more explosive as rookies
than Naji will it be at this point.
So it's not like he's some incredible pick, you know, like
last, it would have been nicer for him if he was a free agent
last year, you know, with the with the incoming rookie class
not being very good. But so he's you know, he's going
to have real risk at the end of the season of being a backup.
But that's what this is where we draft backups.
This is a this is a contingent value type of price.
So I. Don't know and we we don't like
him in fantasy for the for the reasons that like you know, his
his actual efficiency is not great and his whatever basically
that. But the NFL likes the size they
like the fact that he's had 280 plus touches in all four years
of his career like being a workhorse is a thing at the
running back position. They think of that as reliable,
whether you think Naji sucks or not.
And. He's been healthy.
He's, he's plugged along, you know.
He's right. He's reliable in that sense,
too. Still in his prime, just like
ETN that came in the same class. These guys, I mean, they're,
they're, they're a little bit older in running back terms.
He's going to turn 27 here in March.
Actually, Naji, they're 20, 26 and 27 respectively.
Etns 26. But like he's.
He's going to get a lot of touches this year.
Wherever he's playing, he's going to play somewhere and he's
going to touch the football like that's going to happen.
Yeah, it's like hard for me to think go.
Ahead. No, I I was kind of changing a
little bit and just talking about ETN that surprises me.
It's like what what is one of the things that can really swing
fantasy value? It's some kind of change in
scenery. I mean, they're getting a new
OC. They're like cleaning house
there. We just saw what Liam Cohen lean
on Bucky Irving down the stretch.
I, I think we all feel pretty good about Liam Cohen's ability
to evaluate talent. Like, do we not think, you know,
that things could be different with this new coaching staff?
And if they do return to ETN, like the range of outcomes like
this seems pretty closely priced to his floor to me as far as how
things could go right? I think one of the things to
think through is like, what would you do?
Like if it was August and this player was like the clear cut #2
on an offense we were interested in, where would we take that
player? And to me, I think I would
probably take that player around pick 122.
Like like ETN might not be even need to be the starter to pay
off this it because I mean, I think Cohen is good for this
offense. I think it could be a big
improvement. There might not have been a
better situation for running backs in football than Tampa
last year. A lot of that probably had to do
with Baker and everything else, but Sean Tucker had a week where
he was in RB1 for all the on the overall RB one overall in the
week, or maybe it was RB2. Siegel had the stat in season.
They had three different backs that were either RB1 or RB2IN
different weeks, right And Rashad White like kept scoring
even when he wasn't even playing that much.
Obviously Bucky has an incredible year and the high
value touch stuff that I look at was through the roof on the team
level for them all year. That's.
He's got 35 plus balls every year of his career.
He's played three years, first two years, 1400 plus scrimmage
yards. Last year he's banged up.
He plays 15 games. He goes for 800 scrimmage yards.
2 touchdowns is all and everyone thinks that he can't play
anymore. Again, first round pedigree like
you're talking about with Naji. Two 1400 yards seasons, just,
you know, in 2022 and 2023. Like what are we doing?
Yeah, yeah. And I would, I would say
compare, compare him to a guy like Brian Robinson, who's got
an AP one O 7. And Robinson's been pretty good
over the last couple years. But like we've seen in this
playoff run, you know, they're mixing in Jeremy Nichols and
Austin Eckel are like, it's not like what is his upside?
Like he's not going to be he's a commit.
He's a committee back who could generate some positive weeks for
you. But then you you think about how
deep this class is and that's a lot of guys who are good early
down runners. Like there's risk with Robinson.
So I don't know, I just like, why wouldn't we be taking ETN
over over Robinson? We have ETN one spot ahead of
him in the ranks, But I would be willing to go higher if the ADP
was different. Yeah.
Any other guys Pat, that you your guys ranks are just wildly
different than the market or if you weren't anchoring to ADP in
some regard you guys would be wildly different?
One guy is right up top if it wasn't for the ADP and the not
wanting to fade the guys ahead of him.
I I don't really get Amanrah's ADP.
He opened at 12 I believe, and he's now up to 10, but I think
he should probably be the 7th player drafted.
He's like, I mean, they lost Ben Johnson, but like dude is
awesome. He showed a ceiling last year.
He's just like you're so locked into, you know, the like you the
floor ceiling combo in him is just really, really strong and I
just don't want to fade CD or Nico who are both going ahead of
him by ADP. But like, you know, like Brian
Thomas Junior still has an ADP ahead of Amin Raw and I wanna be
in on Brian Thomas Junior, but man, this is like one of the
elite wide receivers in the elite.
Yeah, I mean that Almanar definitely stands out as a weird
one, yeah. Yeah, and I I get it, right.
Like people I think have stigmatized Amon raws like, hey,
there's going to be games where Detroit wins in other ways and
you're not needed. Whereas like you watch Nico
Collins down the early in the season, you watch Brian Thomas
and it's like, oh, this guy can just be the full blown alpha and
there ain't anyone stealing targets away from this guy.
So I could like see how that sausage gets made.
But like you said, the floor ceiling and just really the
floor like the floor of what you're getting in this first
round is, is pretty good. And even last year.
So I'm just looking at his numbers.
Two years ago in 2023, he went over 1500 yards, right?
He had 119 catches, 10 touchdowns.
He had 115 catches again last year, but he only had 12161
yards. Not as many like explosive
plays, not as you know, they they want other ways, whatever.
He still had 12 TDs. Some people probably want to
fade the TDs. But even this last year where he
does have some lower games, it's several 10 plus catch game.
Like the again, that you guys just said the floor ceiling.
But like he still took over games.
He had a game with 18 targets and 14 catches and 193 yards in
December. You know, he had an 11 catch
game with two touchdowns in November.
He had an 11 catch game in September.
Like, yeah, you want to draft guys that can do that multiple
times throughout a year. That's really good.
Yeah, and I think, you know, I think they'll be fine.
They they're bringing in with some this guy from Denver that
that Dan Campbell had worked with previously when he was with
the Saints. And it's like really highly
regarded as a football minds. Like I think they'll be Ben
Johnson's great and everything, but like, I feel like you want
the the genius offensive coordinator for to like, hey, we
kind of have the players, but like it's not quite clicking
like this guy's going to install an offense that works for all
these players. But we have multiple seasons of
like we know what works well for the Lions.
They have all the same pieces. Like you kind of like if someone
can come in and be like, I'm going to tweet this, put my
fingerprints on this a little bit, but I'm not going to like
blow it up and try to do. Something Ben Johnson leaving is
good for almond raw like it's outright good.
Ben Johnson was creating all these like exciting like plays
and ways to get the ball into Jameson Williams hands and all
this stuff. But whenever they like didn't
have a play call, they would go to Almond raw like that's he's
their alpha. Like when Laporta got pushed to
the side, he's the guy who gets the ball.
Like you, like you said, three years in a row now where he's
had these monster yards per out run, monster targets per out run
is a little lower this year than the two years prior.
But I would argue that's because you had a coordinator who's
doing a really creative job of getting the ball to the
ancillary guys. This is the dude that
consolidated the volume, right? Like the other guy who comes in
is going to be like, yeah, just throw it at him every time.
That's that's seems that way. What, what do you guys think
about why I was on the Lions there?
Jameson Williams, ADP, I guess he's up what, like 30 picks?
From well, that's what I was just going to ask 40 when I was
saying that he's up really high. Do you guys think he actually
like earns volume from Almanar or he kind of gets schemed a lot
of stuff in the bit like it's the Ben Johnson thing.
Seems like it's more of a concern for him to me.
I think he he was earning like as far as like you look at his
first read stuff, it was it was pretty solid.
This is more from memory right in the walkthrough every week,
but it's just like very clear he had passed Sam LaPorte as the
number two in the offense. You're like, this is real.
This is like a real receiver downfield earning.
Earning volume slash like the offense designed to include him
in in the reads and stuff. So I think he's I think last
year's breakout was legit like a real wide receiver breakout that
I think he'll be fine too. Like I'm not worried about.
I'm not worried about anyone in this offense really from from a
Ben Johnson perspective. Maybe that's under reacting to
it. But I mean, their offensive line
is awesome and all these guys individually are really good and
the quarterback play is very stable.
You know, Goff's going to meltdown a couple times and
probably the playoffs one of them, but there's.
Dudes, they already ran this playbook.
They already installed all these plays.
It's not like they have to like give, give him his playbook.
Like they're going to still run some of this stuff under a new
coordinator because the new corner's going to come in and
say, Goff, what are you comfortable running?
What's what's your answer on 3rd and medium and this and that
needs to be like, I love these plays that we ran last year and
they're going to run variations of that.
Like that's the right you work with a veteran team.
You don't just come in and like, say I'm going to run my whole
new scheme and you're going to do everything that I say.
That's not the way that's going to work for the Lions.
And I think if you think about what could be added to this
offense, it's like maybe another early down guy, you know, like
another David, like a David Montgomery kind of successor and
waiting. There's certainly those guys
here and maybe some lineman. It's a deep inside lineman
class. Talk dirty to me, baby.
Now I'm fired up. Right.
But it's, it's like, and the other thing, it's a really deep
defensive line class. So I don't, it's not like
there's not a very good wide receiver class.
There's some guys, but like you're not worried like, oh, in
the third round, they're going to take some wide receiver who's
actually going to be amazing, is going to like change what
they're doing, like take the Tim Patrick role and and become like
a. They got to address defense
after all those injuries and everything, they're going to
draft a lot of defenders this. Year there's dudes on defense
too, particularly like the like the edge class is really deep.
So I just I'm like not worried about the draft for them, not
really worried about free agency for them.
It just feels like a very stable situation and alliance, even
though they lost Ben Johnson. They're gonna be a good offense
again, for sure. When I looked at it like just
out of context 46, I'm like, that feels a smidge high.
But then you like pull up the receivers going around him and
it feels right. Like maybe I'd quibble.
Like, yeah, probably prefer Rome to him.
Probably would take a stab on Jordan Addison over him.
But it's like this feels like the right the right price.
One guy in this range that we're pretty high on is is George
Pickens. And I just feel like it's not
like as bad as it could have gotten, you know, it could be
worse next year, but it's not like he had some amazing
situation and his his route running, you know, is a is a
rookie. He was like pretty terrible in
open score last year's very, very solid.
There feels to me like he he took a jump.
He's not like, I mean, he was just watching him.
He used to be the dude who's like making the highlight reel
one handed catches, but not getting any separation.
He can separate now and you looked at like yards per outrun
over 2 yards per outrun in the last two years, his second and
third seasons in the league. He's entering year 4.
You know, this is a guy one time before he tore his ACL in
college was like, you know, going to be a, a first round
pick, ends up going second round.
So I don't know. I mean, like this, this is a
high pedigree receiver who's playing really well and it's the
clear number one on his own team.
So you're getting, I think a discount, which I understand why
the discount exists on on the Steelers, but you're getting a
pretty big discount on like Steelers.
Steelers are gross. Still has Arthur Smith though.
That was Arthur Smith. That was a long pro list.
I got a con list that's pretty long too and it's like 5 words
it's. It's just Arthur Smith in one
letter. Yeah, one letter.
Yeah. I mean, there are.
I'll tell you the guy. That you just described for me
that I think in this range is underpriced.
Is Chris Olave the clear number one on his team?
All that kind of stuff. He's coming off the concussions,
but he was practicing late in the year.
Pat, what's the stat you had a few years ago when the the Debo
Samuel year where he was going into his third year 2021, two
plus yards per outrun both of your first two years the cohort.
Was just the cohorts are outrageous.
It's yeah. Crystal Ave. now has three
straight years of two plus yards per outrun and he's being
drafted in the 60s. Like because he had concussions,
he's going to have the whole offseason.
It's not like an an ACL rehab. I am concerned about the head
injuries, to be to be clear, but I started fading Brandon Cooks a
few years ago when he was getting a bunch of concussions
and it seemed like it might be career threatening.
That dude's continued to play for several years after that.
You know, I mean like all yeah, every player's a little bit of
injury prone. You give him a whole offseason.
Like I said, he was already practicing end of the year.
They didn't activate him, but he was back with the team.
It's not like they just shut him down because the team was
horrible. Right?
Like it's not like he was like he's going to play next year, it
seems, unless he's planning to to retire.
I I the fact that he's going outside the top 60 picks with a
guy who started his crew with three straight 2 plus yards per
hour run seasons is just weird to me.
I think you're, isn't it really, you're just getting this
knucklehead discount like people are worried about him just like
self combusting and like punching someone after a play
and getting ejected or like falling out of favor with the
coach and getting, you know, going the way of Deonte Johnson
essentially. I think that's the only thing
keeping his ADP down. You're talking Pickens.
We were just starting to to a lava.
Yeah, but that's probably part of it with Pickens for sure.
Or Arthur Smith. One or the other.
It is weird with like, I mean we have a bunch of these second
round guys, right? I mean Devante Smith's a little
higher, but waddle, you guys were just talking about alave
like the the overreactions to like how we feel about these
guys year to year when like not that much has changed as far as
what they can do for you. And now it's like we were going
to draft Jalen Wallet the 2-3 turn, but now he's going 40
picks later. Well, I mean, he played a lot
and was bad. Like the, the, a lot of the
thing for me it, it seems like the guys who just didn't play a
lot last year and especially with a lot, like I understand
some of the other injury rehab stuff you want to be clear on,
but concussions again, it's I, I feel like he's being discounted
just because he missed a lot of time last year.
But we have a lot of evidence through a 3C.
He's still very young. A lot of evidence during the
three seasons that he's a very good receiver.
And yeah, you're just going to, I mean, I think he's a third
round player. If you want to do a little bit
of a concussion discount, he's a fourth rounder.
You're getting him at the 5-6 turn.
It's just seems silly to me. Yeah, like I I could not fathom
taking Jerry Judy over Chris Olave.
Yeah, I mean, I'm with you guys. I think he's a really strong
pick. The one thing with Holabe is
that it's possible that Carr is not playing at the end of the
season because he would be pretty clear cut candidate after
the year. And I don't there's no like
injury guarantee stuff in his contract that would, you know,
incentivize the Saints to to bench him.
But this is a class with guys in it that are like somewhat like a
few like kind of more project guys or, you know, like day 2
type quarterbacks. The Saints were to take one of
those guys. They're tied to car this year.
They can't move on before the year, but after the year if
he'll be gone. So unless he like really
surprises with his play. So that's like a little minor
thing of like, it's quite plausible Lobby's playing with
the back quarterback at the end of the year.
On the other hand, he will have car this year, which at least
locks in a floor for the beginning of the season.
I think he's like, you know, fairly safe, fairly fairly safe.
There's a sight like a little end of the season risk.
See this chat, this comment and chat from Stefan or Stefan says
Alave is maybe one big hit away from his career being over.
I think that's why he's priced where he is.
And I don't know that that's actually true or and like the
way that the concussions actually work.
It feels that way because he had two concussions in pretty quick
succession this year and they shut him down after that for a
long time. And he has had several
concussions up to this point. But that's why I brought up the
brand and Cook's thing. I think Cook's even ended up
having another concussion in the interim, but he had the one
season where he had multiple and it was a concern.
I do think after you heal up and whole offseason and everything,
my understanding is that you're not, you're not like most of the
concerns then are long term, right?
Like if he gets another concussion next year, they'll
probably hold him out for a couple of a couple of a couple
of weeks. But it's not, I mean, see,
there's another thing here like concussion discount of around
for guys careers in jeopardy if he gets another one.
There's people that literally think that once you get a couple
of concussions, your career is over.
And and I don't know, we just we haven't seen that, let's put it
that way. We have not seen somebody's
career actually end on concussions for several years.
That linebacker for the 49ers several years ago and he sort of
retired on his own. The reason he was put on IR this
year is because he got a pretty bad concussion and he got
another pretty bad one the game he returned like 2IN pretty
quick succession. That's when they respond.
Once you've had 8-9 months, 10 months to rehab.
I don't, I'm not trying to like discount brain injuries, but I,
I don't think people are actually practical about it.
It's a very visceral thing like this dude's brains going to fall
apart. But I, I don't actually think
that's how we, I think we have some evidence with guys like
Brandon Cooks. That's not how that actually
happens. That's all I'm saying.
Kat, is there any we can keep going through some of the micro
stuff, but any macro trends that you're noticing in these drafts
that maybe feel different? For sure.
Yeah, 11 big one is that quarterback is getting snapped
up right around pick 100, pick 1:10-ish.
There's like a big run of quarterbacks and 1:00, if you're
like not participating in that run, you can get locked out
pretty easily. People are taking too many
quarterbacks. There's lots of like 4
quarterback builds, some 5 quarterback stuff that you know,
might be seeing some invalidated drafts and some of these you're
like, what are people doing? But it can get frustrating
pretty quickly. You think everything's like
going along great and then all the sudden you're like, I don't
have any quarterbacks left. I'm screwed.
So you're you definitely want to like consider, you know, hey,
I've drafted, you know, just drafted jail McMillan and I have
my Gavin. So I'm just going to go ahead
and take Baker in the 80s. You know, I'm just going to do
that. And then in the next turn, maybe
I grab my second quarterback, something like that.
I think it's it's it's a good idea to just like secure some
quarterback guys a little bit quicker than maybe it feels like
comfortable. And I think honestly, a lot of
these guys are underpriced in their ADPI.
Think a lot of these guys. Like I think Kyler's a really
good value at one O 7. I think Caleb's a good value at
one O 8. Perry's a good value at one O 5.
Like Drake Mays behind this, I think he's a strong value.
I think like Bonex is one of the most expensive guys in the group
is like that's a fine price for him.
Like no one here is really crazy.
You can get like a Trevor Lawrence is a backdoor stack
because you can get Evan Ingram and Christian Kirk later you But
the way it works out, you probably only get one of them
because they're all kind of like being drafted together.
But it's still an easy enough 1 to get a a backdoor stack with.
But yeah, overall making sure that you're not like just kind
of I'll figure out quarterback later because you're probably
looking at like unstacked DAC, which I mean, there are worse
things than unstacked DAC, but it's not your first choice
heading into the draft. You could do like backdoor stack
Michael Pennix and then you get into the rookies and it's not a
good rookie class. That looks like where it falls
off to my eye that Yeah, right. You were naming some of the the
pricier ones around 110 the group from Lawrence to Pennex.
Those 5, Lawrence, Dak 2 of people still do the concussion
thing with two just played a full season.
I don't I mean Bryce Young, Pennex, those guys are all going
to start, right. I have no concerns about any of
them starting Week 1, but like, none.
But then right after that, you're like, I don't know.
I don't know about the next guys.
Maybe McCarthy, Gino, Stafford and Carr is another little
pocket that I would say those guys are going to start, I
think, right. They're not even on their own.
Their particular team, like McCarthy's going to start for
the Vikings. Gino might not be with the
Seahawks potentially, but I think he'd start somewhere else
if he wasn't. Yeah.
I guess so that's one genome. Stafford and McCarthy are all
like kind of the, I don't want to say like sleeping giants, but
guys that I was like not taking it first because of uncertainty,
but now I'm sort of leaning more that I should be taking them.
So Stafford, there was retirement questions.
He's going to play, it sounds like, but he might not be on the
Rams. So it makes it a little bit more
difficult to stack the one Cooper Cup might not be on the
Rams even if Stafford is. And then maybe Stafford isn't on
the Rams. And Gino, I was kind of nervous
about some of the comments that Mike McDonald had made after the
season that they didn't really seem committed to him as the
starter. But if you look at his contract,
Geno Smith, I think is someone that you're going to want to
extend past this year. They're like it's like a move on
or extend moment. If you look at his cap number.
And I think given the quarterback market that they're
probably going to just have to to bite the bullet and like
tackle on another two years of the contract and probably go
into him, go into the season with him like being the clear
cut starter. His cap number jumps from his
cap hit last year was $26.4 million.
It's $44.5 million this year. It's the type of it's, it's the
contract was structured so that they can cut him easily.
It's 13.5 million in dead cat. So they'd save like 30 +
1,000,000 dollars if they were to cut him.
But I don't think that's like the situation that they ended up
being in because there's not like really good.
There's not many better options than Gino Smith got caught.
Him you're right, it's either a restructure or trade possibly.
Trade maybe, yeah. But he's very, but if he gets
traded, he's starting somewhere probably.
I mean, who knows, he could land somewhere where they draft like
a Jackson dart and now he's going to get passed by the end
of the year. But so he's not completely safe,
but I think he's like think about like there's most likely
downs, like kind of the reasonable range.
He's a starter I think now and I wasn't sure about that.
You know, a few weeks and Mike McDonald has said he's our
quarterback. Like we're we're treating him as
our quarterback. They bring in Clint Kubiak.
I think that's like a fair like. It's.
Reasonable enough. Like, I'm not super worried
about the offense. They're not gonna be super
passive or anything, but I think he'll be fine in that system.
So I think Stafford and Gino are kind of back to like very
solidly draftable McCarthy. What happens with Darnold?
Because if Darnold is gone and McCarthy's like the 17 game
starter in Minnesota, he's a smash at this ADP.
But I'm just not entirely sure that happens.
And but I'm wondering if I'm just being too cautious.
I think it's like 80% if I had to handicap it that that's like
maybe it's not 80% likely. Maybe that's my like my
prediction, maybe I'd be ahead of market on that.
But I, the way that I've read everything and, and you know,
O'connell's comments after the after the playoff game and
everything are like they're ready to move on from Darnold
and the fact that they sunk so much capital into McCarthy and
all those things. I, I just, I think 80%'s maybe
too low. I, I, I'm like, really confident
that that's what's going to happen this offseason.
He's a, he's a really good pick then and one of the few ways
that you can get some upside injected into quarterback late
in the year or late in the draft.
And couldn't you still, even if there was some of the risk, I
think you could still play him as a QB3 with the thought like
there's no way he's not starting by the end of the season.
Like almost like I get like him redshirting for two years would
seem pretty hard to believe. Like you'd still have really
good week 17. That's the thing.
Equity. When you have the two things are
the he already redshirted in one year and they drafted him in the
top 15 overall picks and redshirting in two years, you
have to have a really good reason.
And the second thing is the way Donald closed those two games,
Week 18 and then the playoff game where he just couldn't even
get the throws out to the places that you need him to go.
And they're basically like, we just can't do this.
I mean, you can't run an offense this way.
I mean, it's, it's brutal. Kevin O'Connell got a lot of
heat for being out coached and all this stuff.
And I, I was on Twitter arguing like, no, he didn't get out
coached. This is absurd.
His quarterback's not throwing the balls where they're open
down the field. You can only scheme it up.
You can't make him throw the football, right?
Like there's only so much you can do.
I don't think a coach is going to NFL teams don't want that.
If you have two quarterbacks, you have, you know, none or
whatever, right? Like they, they, this is their
off ramp with the Darnold thing. It went OK for a year, but he
blew it at the end of the year. This is their off ramp and they
can just say we're going forward with McCarthy.
They already have his back up on the roster in Dino Jones.
They're just going to keep Dino Jones around.
That's that's their quarterback room next year.
I mean the weapons are so good like, you know, he's he's really
in strong position. I I have, I have not taken much
Cam Ward, who I do think goes, you know, at least top three,
but he's a kind of expensive, I think, well, he's actually
falling a little bit. So he's not like too, too bad.
But I've taken a little chador when I've been boxed out as kind
of a desperation measure because he goes like later.
I've taken some Fields as you know what if he's the starter
all season in in Pittsburgh, it's possible you go somewhere
else. I mean the quarterback, free
agent market and draft class combo such that you could see a
guy like Fields landing a starting.
Job and I assume all these are emergency QB 3 selection.
Yeah, Yeah. They're all emergency
quarterback three guys. Yeah.
And that's about that's about as the I haven't taken car yet.
I think you could, but it's not you just I just don't want to be
in this business right now. Like they these aren't.
They're either like really kind of low floor or low ceiling
plays. Yeah, but like you can get like,
hang on. I can just take like Kyler and
Drake May and like pick like one O 2 and one O whatever matches
up. With.
That I'll do that. Why don't I do that?
Have you been mainly doing 3 quarterback builds?
I've I've the the screenshots I've seen is most people doing 3
quarterback stuff. I, I, I would like to, but I'm
not going to force it. And yeah, I mean, you, you, you
would like, I mean, I don't know when the buys are.
So it's possible the guys share the buy, which would be
annoying, but I don't know. I mean, the quality of
quarterbacks you're getting around pick 100 are good.
Like I don't think you need to have three quarterbacks and with
some of the that you can sit there, pick 90, take your first
quick guy, get your second guy by like pick 115 and have really
like what we would normally consider A2 quarterback field no
problem. Right.
Let's do tight end real quick. If that's the one position we
haven't really talked about Brock Bowers going middle of the
second. You got McBride in the third.
Kelsey obviously dropped a good bit compared to where he was
going. What are you noticing at tight
end? Well, I mean one of, I think
probably the two, two big targets, 2 of my biggest
targets, especially the second guy are are Bowers and McBride.
Bowers is generally being drafted pretty high, but I think
he's like a 12 turn type of pick who you can get in the kind of
early 2nd range. And then McBride I think is a
mid second round pick. Who you can get in the early
3rd. Why would Browers go behind
Brian Thomas, who I really like? I really want to take Brian
Thomas this year but they both had ridiculous awesome rookie
seasons. Bowers was the better prospect,
drafted higher, more dominant production profile in college,
and it's because he plays tight end, which should make him go
higher that people want to draft him later, right?
I don't have any pushback. I mean, I guess quarterback
would be the the concern. Maybe.
Yeah, offensive coordinator situation.
Thomas's situation is nice with Lawrence and Cohen.
It's pretty nice. Yeah, yeah.
It is just and it's just, it's the, it's the Halo effect of how
Brian Thomas finished, right? There wasn't a single blemish on
his, you know, playoff stretch like he every single week
delivered. Even even Bowers, you know,
famously had a couple crucial duds during that that playoff
stretch. And I think that like, stuck in
people's minds in a way where they're just like, Brian Thomas
didn't have a dud. Like Brian Thomas should go
where he's going. I wasn't trying to bash him.
It's more just like, yeah, you said 1-2 turn.
I'm like, why is Bowers going 16?
He should be going like eight overall.
Dude like year 2 breakout wide receiver that gets tight end
eligibility. People are just afraid of elite
tight end structurally but like this is a different player.
Yeah. And then I think McBride, I mean
McBride, like I was thinking through this, like you, why are
we doing elite tight end fundamentally like the case for
elite tight end? Why?
Like why is it good in these tournaments?
It's because we're pretty good at identifying the players who
generate spike weeks at tight end, and we're actually better
at that than we are at the other positions, you know, in terms of
like capturing a big chunk of the spike weeks in a small group
of players. And McBride was, I mean, this
dude can clearly generate spike weeks.
He didn't score any touchdowns and he was still generating
spike weeks. Like, I, I mean, he's just like,
it's such a clear cut target. And I, you know, Ben, he was
your guy last year. I was kind of like, yeah, I like
him, but but like, I mean, after what he just did, he had the,
you know, a generation wide receiver joins the team and
McBride's at tight end still the clear number one on the team.
Like that's really bullish. I don't know.
Yeah. So I think he's a target.
I also think, by the way, Kittle's a pretty big target at
tight end three. He is another guy who has just
got such a long track record of generating spike weeks.
He's more inconsistent, but you know, you got you got IU dealing
with injury. Debo is potentially going to be
traded. So it's like Jawan Jennings,
Ricky Pierce all and and George Kittle probably to start the
season is the top, is the the top three guys that's push
Kittle. I think it #2 in the target
pecking order. And then, you know, we'll see
down the stretch. But he didn't like if you look
at like kind of any of the peripheral stuff, it doesn't
look to me like he's falling off.
So again, Kittle looks like a target.
You just got to be taking a ton of Bowers and McBride at these
prices, man. I mean, the other the other
player, I'll say with Bauer, I haven't looked at this a lot,
but the Bowers comparison, Puka Nakua right after his rookie
year, we were all taking him at like 10:00 and 11:00, right
coming off Bowers broke his record for rookie receptions,
but OK, because he's a tight end.
I mean, he had he had fewer yards, but he the tight end
thing is a feature, not a bug. It's good.
This actually works in our favor.
It's a positive. Why is he going later than puka
was going last year going into year 2?
And then the other thing as you're talking through these top
three guys and how good of values they are, it's Titan's
not as deep as last year. We talked about the top 7
profiles last year and then even that next group.
I remember saying that next group was better than the like
Titan 5-6 range in other years, meaning the Titan like 8910
range last year, which was Bowers, but it was also in Joku
and Evan Ingram was like a nice little group there.
Those guys profiles last year that you could get as Titan
8910, I'd argue are are like the same as what you're looking at
with Hawkinson, who's Titan 5 right now.
I mean, he was good with the Vikings two years ago, but
Jordan Addison wasn't even on the team.
Jordan Addison has broken out. We talked about this recently.
Like you can make a case he's like a top 20 receiver in the
league on his own right, on his own merits.
He's Hawkinson's now competing with volume for volume and
doesn't have cousins anymore, which was a big part of, you
know, his profile two years ago. He's playing with the rookie
quarterback potentially and Hawkinson's Titan 5 because who
do you want to take over from Kelsey's Titan 6?
Laporte's Titan 4 had a had a unequivocally bad second year,
right? Like we we were all pretty
frustrated with his. He's still want him high because
he's a young star. He's good.
Like Andrews is next. Like there's not a ton of dudes
here that you're like, I'm excited to draft these guys at
these prices again this year. So you've got Bowers and McBride
at these costs, right? I'm seeing it exactly the same
way. I mean, you, you have like what
it to me it goes from guys who can like win a week, right?
And we need to win weeks. We need to win three different
weeks in this tournament. So who can win win you a week?
And to me, the top three guys very clearly can.
And then it pretty quickly shifts to rock solid mid to low
end tight end one all season, right, like Hopkinson plug and
play tight end one like like in a redraft league, you're like I
I know I'm getting a tight end one.
This isn't it's a floor play, right?
Like I can I he's going to hit. He's going to hit my lineup
pretty regularly. But that's not really the point
of, of spending capital on tight end.
It's, it's for the ceiling, the weekly ceiling that
differentiates you from from a bunch of teams in a pod.
And yeah, LaPorte is the number 3 on his team maybe #4 you know,
want to talk about like Gibbs and stuff.
Hawkinson's the number three on his team.
Like they're these aren't guys who Kelsey, I mean, like Kelsey
might retire, who knows? But he's but he could be the
number three on his team next season.
At a certain point, you go, why wouldn't I just take Jonas
Smith, who might be, you know, the number one?
Probably not. But like, I don't know.
It's it's I think it's middle class, is probably overpriced.
And that makes me want to take the top three guys even more.
Yeah. Or the late round.
I mean, some of the chats talk about some of the late round
guys. I don't know if Tim mentions
pits. I don't know if I'd be taking
pits, but there's there's some cheaper guys like like Firemouth
and Otten and stuff are going way down there.
Yeah, Cole Commet's going way down there.
I mean, I would probably stab some of those guys.
Yeah, I think those guys are good and there's even guys later
you. Know Higby?
You been doing 12 Higby, I'll take that.
Will Disley, will Disley's under contract.
He'll, he'll be, you know, with the Chargers next year.
What about Ben Synod after catching that big fake?
Punt. I bet.
I bet Birds comes back. Yeah, he's a free agent.
But this back that would be so tilty.
I think he probably is. Yeah, it it makes sense, but
he's like 35 man. Just retire.
You're so. Let it go.
Man, let it go. Can someone get him like a
podcast deal? I think that's the thing that
keeps these guys going is they don't they don't have a podcast
to go. If he had a podcast he'd be
like. Kelsey's got a podcast and he's
still going. You have to be careful, you
know, it might, it might rejuvenate him.
Barely. He's barely going to be.
So bad he wants. 3 plays like a podcaster plays like a podcast.
God, we let's not poke the bear before we need him to go 2 for
12. Again, seriously.
How many? What kind of tight end builds
like if you take Bowers or McBride, are you just like
taking? Well, I told you one guy, if you
want to just go to you can, you can grab Evan Ingram.
Again. You guys know I'm not like an
Evan Ingram guy, but you can take Evan Ingram at 1:42 and be
completely done at tight end. What are you doing?
142 for Evan Ingram, it makes no sense to me he's.
Man, do you know what it it actually again, it doesn't make
sense to me. It makes sense with the Brian
Thomas ADP right, because people are just saying no one else is
gonna earn high targets at a high clip in this offense ever
again other than Brian Thomas like that.
That's that's what it's saying I.
Guess, but I mean Thomas is gonna have his weeks and I and I
I'm gonna take him you know a fair amount.
But my God, I mean Ingram Christian Kirk is an income of
candidate. I think sticks around and
Ingram's a cut candidate, but I think sticks around so that you
think your downside. I think he does.
Your downside is he's, he's not on the Jags, but like he's.
I think he gets cut. His cap number's 19.5 million.
If they do him post June 1. It's only four mil and dead.
They can open up over 15 mil. OK, I I feel like Ingram might
be the one that does get cut, but he's still they probably
land somewhere, right? They have to do it soon, but
maybe don't have to. But but they have one and a half
million guarantees in March of of this year's salary.
So you would anticipate they probably they caught him then
maybe they designated post June 1st or whatever.
But but he would be a free he would be like a free agent.
He would go get to find a new team.
And I mean, he's not like he's like 30.
He turns 31 in September. He's not explosive.
The whole play is like he will like gets 4 yards downfield and
like turns right and then like gets the target right.
So like he's he's going to go find.
What if he turns right on the Bengals?
You know, like there's some pretty good spots where this
dude can run little outlet routes.
Yeah, no, I mean it's. There was in AGPP, there was
what if he's the guy you need now?
There's What if he turns right on a good team?
This is this is another one of those examples we were just
talking about with like some of the QBs, they're going to
quarterback somewhere next year. Like people are worried about
the uncertainty. They go, oh, he's not going to
be on that team anymore. He's a 30 year old.
He's a former first round pick writer.
Yeah, first round pick, he just had the second most tight end
receptions of all time in 2023, right?
Had an injury, played 2024, only played nine games, but has been
he's not been great, but he's been productive.
He had 98 catches in 2022. He's come on later in his
career. I mentioned the the first round
draft capital. It's years and years and years
ago, but we know that sticks with players and it sticks.
It sticks with NFL teams and evaluators.
If you don't believe that, just look at how Jerry Jones traded
1/4 for Jonathan Mingo and then was like, you won the you won
the second, you know, two years ago.
Like you like outright reference to draft capital.
It's like that doesn't mean it's a value in the fourth.
Give up and pick like you. Guys lose the value since Jerry.
But people like, I mean, Ingram's not too old, like you
said, and is a guy who had capital, has played for multiple
teams, played a ton throughout his career, ran a ton of rounds,
caught a ton of balls. He's got 44 balls for eight
straight years every year of his career.
In some of those years, he's missed games, but like, it's at
least catching some passes, you know, close to 50 passes
minimum. I mean, what, what are we doing?
He's definitely going to play. Yeah, it's strange.
And you know, there's there's other guys in the range actually
that I like that Colson Loveland is very likely to be a first
round pick. He's a pass catcher type.
One of the concerns actually is like he's not an amazing blocker
and that maybe, you know, maybe he's like in a more part time
role as a rookie or something like that, but he's going to get
drafted in the first round and catch passes.
So I'm pretty in at that price. Loveland Colson Loveland from
Michigan. He's going to get drafted in the
first round. First round that very likely I
mean he he could fall to the second, but.
I thought Warren was the like clear first round.
They're both. They're both they're both gonna
go first round. Warren is the tight end one in
the class. But if you look at like mock
draft database, Warren's at 14 and Loveland's at 20.
And I'm not hearing like any like I don't know about
Loveland. Like Loveland's considered very
locked in. And then this fannin dude is
like. Fannon is actually the guy where
I'm not 100% sure the NF LS bought in.
He's at the Senior Bowl right now.
And the guys you're hearing about are Elijah Arroyo, who
didn't really produce anything. But like maybe he's got kind of
an interesting background where I think he was like newer to
football and he's just like apparently like running routes
like like just getting behind the defenders with ease.
So I'm intrigued, we'll see if he ends up being a day three guy
or sorry, day two guy, like a third round guy.
And then Mason Taylor from LSU is also seems like the most
complete tight end of the Senior Bowl from what I'm hearing.
Not hearing a ton about Fannin, but Fannin was like an
outrageously productive guy in college.
And so it's not like, but it's just like he I was hoping he
would use the offseason process to consolidate the tight end
three position and then like maybe second round draft capital
seems like maybe more like he's a third or fourth round pick,
which will make him a little trickier obviously for for best.
Ball, do you remember Mario Fannin?
He's that running back. He's that running back that like
broke the Speed Score model way back when.
Speed scores were really cool. I think Bill Barnwell came up
with Speed Score right years and years ago.
And like right after he did, I just pulled up.
It was 2011, he's like 2:30 and he ran like a 437 and it gave
him the speed score. That was better than like any
other running back. His name is always stuck in the
back. So now I'm like really into
Harold Fannon because he has the same Fannon name for whatever.
I'm pretty sure Mario Fannon was a stud too.
So that means that I'm. Still in the I want the NFL to
really like Harold Fannon because if they if they were to
take this guy in a second round, I would I'd draft a ton.
But so far it seems like maybe things are blowing in the other
direction. Are the just from a macro?
Are the are the rookies underpriced, overpriced about
right? Like are there big edges and
just hammering rookies? I feel like that's what it's
been in the past few years. I think there are there are
edges in hammering rookies for sure.
Let me pull up just the rookies and see.
I don't have a ton of rookies that I think are overpriced in a
big way. I actually think Tyler Warren is
maybe slightly overpriced, but not in a huge way.
We're a little behind AEP. Matthew Golden was kind of one
of the He was the Golden Boy. Clipper Nation in the jet.
Pete is in a buzzer beater with me right now.
Try to get BA. Don't worry.
It's. The robots are drafting for me.
Matthew Golden, I think he's kind of hit a point where I'm
ready to to cool off, but I was drafting a bunch of him.
I thought he'd be a riser. He's a guy who's gotten a lot of
buzz as a potential first round pick after being kind of a late.
He declared he's an early declarer, but he declared like
recently, like it wasn't. People didn't realize he was
going to come out for sure until fairly recently.
And so he's kind of rocketed up, but it wasn't very productive.
But he's a early declarer who people like his route running
and, you know, high pedigree guy that, you know, just was at
Texas and impressed people there previously Houston.
So I guess, you know, maybe not like the I don't think he was an
amazing recruit or anything, but big program scouts like him
might go first round early to Claire, but the production isn't
really there and he wasn't particularly efficient.
So it's kind of a boom bust profile.
And I might I was taking a lot of them before.
I might kind of cool off on them now.
I think generally The thing is trying to figure out how to
attack the running backs because the running back class is so
deep. I love.
We talked about Travis Hunter last week briefly, and yeah, I
feel stronger about are you? He's still like, like, are you,
are you coming like pretty, pretty firm on that too.
So he's rocketed up. You you kind of kind of, it's
hard to keep. Yeah.
If you're in drafts, you almost need to like start him at the
beginning and and like, because his ADP keeps coming up.
I think he's actually pretty fairly priced now.
But he, he started without an ADP.
So you could get him in the one 70s when the first days of the
tournament, you could get him so cheap at some points.
You know how it is. It's like, I've taken this guy a
few times. I'm going to mix in like Jaden
Higgins and I'm like, why? Would I?
Why did I take Jaden? Jaden Higgins wasn't going to
move up. I just just didn't get your
slutter. So yeah, but he he's up.
He's up considerably from where he started.
It's getting starting to get like a little more
uncomfortable, I think, because now you're talking about a guy
who could just be straight, straight zeros at at a is like
your wider 05. I was talking about buying for a
pot. It's like it is it's probably
bad if your wider 05 plays cornerback.
Yeah, it's like, what are you? Going to say about the backs
though, I cut you off. The back, the backs are kind of
the the big part of this class. And I think Genti, I actually
think Jetty is a pretty big target right now.
His ADP is 16 1/2, so it's not like he's cheap, but just an
outstanding prospect. Pretty good chances that he
lands somewhere in the first round or he's just like a day
one guy. I think even some of the spots
are people like like what if he goes to the Broncos?
Like if he goes to the Broncos, I'm going to take him at like
10. That's a really good offensive
line and he's awesome. Then you go to, I also think
with Genti, like he, it's kind of like the he is the one who
knocks thing of like most other running backs get demoted once
he's on the depth chart. Maybe not Week 1, but like he's
taking a job. That seems very straightforward
to me, too. Like wherever he lands, there's
going to be capital associated and he's going to go in the
first round in August, like he's going to be a first round like
Bijan was. I mean, and Bijan, we were
worried he's under Arthur Smith and he's going to split with
Algier. We had all these concerns, but
he still went like 10 as a rookie and then even higher the
next year, even though he didn't have a great, necessarily a
great rookie year. But like Saquon is a rookie,
Zeke is a rookie. You keep going back to these
guys that were, you know, relatively high picks and and
really thought of the way that Gene T is like, they don't go in
the second round. They go in the first round.
The rule. I think the the second tier
running backs are all pretty good.
I don't none of them jump out to me.
It's like you got to hammer this guy.
It it, it cost, but I think of all of them, actually, maybe
Quinton Judkins is probably the best value because I think he's
sort of in, in a tier with the other guys and he's the cheapest
now of, of the four, Marion Hampton, Caleb Johnson, Treveon
Henderson and Quinton Judkins are kind of forming a Tier 2.
And I think they're all pretty good picks.
But yeah, Judkins like a mock draft database.
Omarion Hampton's at 48, Henderson's 60, Johnson 62,
Judkins is 63. But in the ADP here you get
pretty big discount on Judkins relative to even Johnson, so.
And explain to the uncertainty of that, because when you're
talking about the mock rot draft database, that means that
Judkins could pretty easily still go ahead of those guys.
And if he does, and if the landing spot's better or
whatever, his ADP is going to wind up ahead of those guys.
Yeah. So take the cheaper guy.
Take the cheaper guy. Yeah, and and I'm just mixing
them all. Mixing them all in.
I got Hampton the other day and I was excited about that because
he's the hardest to get since he's he's more expensive, but I
think he's fine. Cameron Scataboo just just
pulled up comment. He's going to shoot up.
I would say he already has shot up the board.
He was going in like the one 40s I think and now he's up to 122.
He's like the full hero of this class too.
Like he's going to get some meme ability for sure.
He's kind of like but. He's not like a great heck,
there is he I. Think he's a good pick there?
He Is he that good of a prospect?
He's white. He's he's 81 on mock F database
and the big thing is he catches passes.
He's he's got a really strong cast.
He's like thick Echolor is kind of like what you're you're
hoping for. He doesn't have any, didn't have
anything like top end, but he accelerates.
He runs like super hard. He's like that's kind of the
folk hero stuff is like he just like he's like a big try hard
white guy, but he's actually like a good pass catcher too.
And he's big. So I think, I don't know, I
actually think he's a pretty solid pick.
I don't know, I want to chase him up too much further from
here. We have him like ranked right at
ADP at at the moment. And then after that it gets like
a little bit there's like a group of guys that I don't love,
but I think are fine, except for Devin Neil, who I think is a a
clear target. He's going to 147.
He just weighed in at 220 lbs at the Senior Bowl, kind of
profiled this like this year's Bucky as far as like really
productive, good college peripherals, but wasn't expected
to be like super athletic. But at 220 lbs, it's like hard
like I don't he's not going to run like a four or seven.
You know, he'll be fine. I think teams are going to be
more willing to cut him some slack if he runs like a four six
is, is what I'm saying. So I think I like him.
And then RJ Harvey was a guy that I wasn't particularly into
at first glance. He's kind of more of like a scat
back guy. But I was talking to Eric
Proton, who who's like deep in the weeds college football
expert predicting, predicting these guys week to week.
And he's a big RJ Harvey guy and he's really fast and apparently
having a good Senior Bowl as far as a pass catcher.
So he's someone I've kind of flipped on a little bit in a in
a good way. And then you get to the end and
like you just want to mix it up, Just mix it up.
There's a bunch of these guys, Damian Martinez, Carlo Mullings,
Trevor ETN, Prashard Smith, like there's just a lot of them.
And I don't think it makes sense to have like big, big stands on
any of the running backs in that range.
And now we're talking around like pick 210 kind of to 202,
ten 215, I think. Who was the sickest name though?
Sick name guy of this class? Maybe not even just a running
back, but who's the dude that we got to draft because his?
Name Bashaw Tooten is kind of a fun name.
His name's Tooten. That's going.
To be hard drug quest hunter. I like jerkquest hunter.
That sounds like a guy you can bet on for sure.
And on that. Trevor Etienne is Travis
Etienne's brother, so we got the.
Another Neppo baby. Facial tootin is.
That was the answer I was looking for.
Yeah, Facial tootin is pretty good and he's fine.
I think he's he's another one of these guys you can like mix in
and then yeah, I will just mention Cologne Mullings.
He apparently is not participating at this.
He's he's not. I think he's dealing with a very
minor injury expected to be full go at the combine.
But so we're not going to see any of him at the Senior Bowl.
But I am excited to to kind of get a sense of where the NFL is
on him. He's a converted linebacker who
is just really fun to watch. He just gets downhill like
immediately just runs through dudes and looks like an NFL
running back to my eyes in a way of like he's going to hit the
whole like he looks a lot like Tyler Algier and I think
converted linebacker. I think it'd be fun, like a fun
fifth round pick who we can take very, very late and might emerge
down the stretch. Nice.
All right. I mentioned in the tweet, I
think the tweet was the only place I mentioned it, but we
have an announcement for you guys from Gretsch.
And yeah, I don't feel like I need to set it up anymore other
than tossing it over to Gretsch. We had a conversation with him
last week. And yeah, Gretsch want to give
you the floor here to kind of say it directly to to the ship
chasers. Yeah, appreciate that.
It's certainly tough, but this is going to be my last show as a
regular on ship chasing. It's there's a lot of reasons
for that. It's been an absolute honor to
do this with you guys for four years.
The biggest reason is, is my family's grown up.
My, my oldest daughter starts high school this fall.
My youngest is a little more demanding at this age than my
oldest was at that age. And in some ways, my, my wife
and I, we kind of went from sort of 0 demanding kids to two
pretty quickly. The kids go through different
stages, you guys, you guys know that in the early stages, you
get kind of a break at a point where, you know, they go off to
school and, and they're young and they're not really in a ton
of activities and things are a little easier in elementary
school. And then they get a little older
and, and they come back around and, and they need a lot more of
your time. Man, the chat, you guys are
killing me. It's going to be hard as it is,
but I, I, I, this is the the biggest reason this is so hard
as I do. I love this community so much.
I love this, this the chat, all you guys.
I love Pat and Pete and getting the chance to work with you
guys. I've been so fortunate to do
this with you guys for so long. Obviously I've already told you
guys this a ton, but I feel like I, I mean, I feel like in a lot
of ways that, you know, grew up a ton in the time that we've
done this together. We've been doing shows together
weekly for, for over 4 years now.
I was doing some math in my head and we took some weeks off in
there, but there's more weeks that we did multiple shows and
there's 52 weeks in a year. I'm pretty sure we've done over
200 shows together. Pretty sure our average show is
well over an hour, probably closer to two hours with how
many 3/4 hour shows we've done. I mean, I think we've done close
to 500 hours streaming together in the last four plus years.
It's a lot of streaming. I spent the heart of my 30s
talking to you guys. You're 2 of my very best
friends. I mean, we're Internet friends,
we've met in person, but we've done so much awesome stuff
together. And I mean, I'm really excited
for you guys to continue crushing the show. 1 of the
other reasons, in addition to my kids growing up, some of the
stuff like I want to focus on my health more.
I, you know, I've gained weight over the years and I'm trying to
free up some time so I can do a better job with my health.
Something I've talked about a little bit in the ship chasing
discord at times, one of the other ones is just my own sort
of interests as a content creator because I, I know I
appreciate the, the chat, loving, loving it.
And, and, and saying all these nice comments.
It's not essentially my own interest, my own skill set.
It's not something that I think that I'm particularly great at.
I don't necessarily and I, there might be people who disagree,
whatever. There are also probably people
in the chat that are laughing. I'm sure Vadeem's back there
going, God, I knew that it was coming.
Gretchen sucks at this. No, I'm just kidding.
The deep The deep is. Great, The team knows the team
knows that that that reference, it's from years ago.
We were kind of joking at each at each other years ago on it,
but it's something where I don't I don't have necessarily.
I mean, you guys see me get going with the chat sometimes,
have a little bit of thinner skin, get pretty passionate
about sometimes about things sometimes.
And it it does affect me outside of the streaming a little bit
sometimes, to be completely honest.
And so when I'm thinking about ways that I want to free up more
time with my family and things, it's it's this the live
streaming that for me was like, yeah, that's the thing that
there's the most like friction. It's not, you know, for any
reason other than I'm not particularly like whatever.
I, I just I, I, I, I get the way that I would put it is I've been
asked a ton of times what like what you can do to break it into
the industry and these things. And people say you've got to
find the niche, you got to do something unique or whatever.
And my thought is always like been on those lines.
But as I've gotten a little older, I think my main, like
other thought has been you got to be really true to yourself
about what you're good at in those things.
I think I'd do a much better job weighing my thoughts and the
ways that I want to do things in writing and and the different
interactions that I have in in writing.
And I will continue to do that writing and I'll do you know,
recorded podcast over stealing bananas still, and I'll still be
coming on the show. You guys, you know, thankfully
let me know open door policy whenever I want to come on and
I'll be back for sure all the time.
But it is something that the actual, you know, the streaming
element of it, the, the, the live element of it isn't as
easy. I think is, you know, probably
it feels for other people when they're watching.
And to me, in some respects, it's like it's a young man's
game. And I think you 2 are both just
so good at it. I told you guys this personally,
but I don't think the chat probably knows or understands
how freaking good you 2 are at it.
And how lucky in for me that I feel that I was to work with you
guys. So that for any reason that the
chat may think that I'm actually good at streaming, I would give
both of you 2 the credit for because you guys have been so
good at, you know, balancing my imperfections.
I'm not necessarily national natural conversationalist, not a
great listener. I cut people off constantly on
this show. Those are whatever, you know,
those are minor things. But Pete, you are so good with
your improvisational stuff. So good as a host.
Obviously you've built an entire empire of on YouTube and Pat
your your superpower. And the thing that I've learned
so much from you about is how nothing ever really gets under
your skin. You're so chill about stuff and
like, I'm a lot more thin skinned.
Skinned stuff does bug me and stick with me and that kind of
stuff. So anyway, that's, that's just
me wanting to give a little bit more color to it.
It's not like a major issue. The biggest thing is that, you
know, I want to spend more time with my family.
I am getting older, but it's also, you know, I've loved doing
this for four years. This is the place that I wanted.
If I if I was going to keep streaming, this is the place
where I'd do it. This is the place that I've
loved doing. I've loved doing it with
YouTube. I've loved doing it with this
community, these people in the chat like it's it's the coolest
freaking thing that I get to do it here in this setting with you
2 and with these people that watch that makes it so hard to
walk away from. But that's why I'm kind of
giving a little bit more color about why I'm making that
decision because it is more just a broad thing where it's like
it's not really what I'm passionate about or I love.
I don't think I was like designed to be a streamer, you
know, as a human. Look, that's just a reality of
it. So I'll still be around.
Like I said, I'll still pop in, you know, the ship chasing meet
up that we talked about this summer.
I've already talked to Pat and Pete and Penn, like, man, I
still want to definitely try to make that.
I'm not 100% sure that I will, but it's it's already something
that I'm, you know, in my mind planning that I got it, I got to
make happen. I want to see the people that
I've had the opportunity to meet in person over the years.
That's another, you know, part of this that has been so cool is
the opportunity to meet that some of the community in person.
But even those of you who, you know, haven't had a chance to
meet in person, that have just been in the chat or even just
been watching, have been just absolutely the the coolest
people. And, and, and I consider friends
as well the same way that I consider, you know, Pat and Pete
to be really good friends. It's been just an awesome, an
awesome time here. And the word that I use for you
guys was fulfilling because, you know, I found two people who
were willing to kind of let me be me and, and let me be the
better version of myself as an analyst and do this medium that
again, I don't think I'm necessarily great at.
And that was really fulfilling for me.
And it has been, and it's been really, really cool.
Well, and I'll, I'll just say for us, like, I mean, obviously
this started initially as Fantasyland and then something
that was unfortunately called High Stakes Diaries.
There was. There was.
Technically, there was. Virgins at one point, right?
High stakes Diaries of high stakes virgins.
Oh. You're right, you're right, they
haven't. Got even.
Worse. It was worse and.
And technically there was a period of ship chasing that
didn't involve Gretsch, but like when I hear ship chasing like I
don't even think of anything other than US 3 doing the show.
I literally. Don't even remember the.
The origins of you becoming like full time with us, it just felt,
I think at the time it just felt so natural of like, of course
you're now on the show with us. Every you've been doing, Yeah,
my, my Rep is like, you've been doing the show with us every
week for like a year. So I think you're on it, dude.
And I, I already told you this in our our other call off off
air that I think you're definitely selling yourself
short as a broadcaster and a live streamer because you bring
so much to the table, both your analysis and just your energy.
Like the thing people don't realize when you talk about
being a good live streamer is you got to be in it.
Like you got to be having fun with it.
You got to be someone who's looking forward to what they're
doing. And you were always present.
You are always bringing that energy.
And that's why everyone in the chat is devastated that you're
not going to be on the show every single week.
But all the reasons you gave, like all of that hit home.
Similar stuff we've already told you as far as like we understand
with the family stuff and how hard it is to pry back time in
your day. We understand how stuff on the
Internet can affect in fact, you we understand like all of it.
So for us, like it's, it's really a a bummer.
But there's nothing that's like confusing about it to us.
And hopefully the audience feels the same way.
And as as you said, as Pat said, like open door policy, we're
gonna do drafts with you. You can drop by when it works
with your schedule. It's just that you're not gonna
be here every single week at, you know?
3:00. On a Thursday and and that's OK,
but ship chasing would not have become what it is without you.
And it's going to feel weird, man, because you are.
It's not saying you're a big part of the show like you are
this show. Yeah, exactly.
And we're going to miss you, man.
And still will be, you know, even if you're not here every
every week, you know, you'll be well, as you said, you'll be
back for some, some guest ups. And in person.
I mean, I'm, I'm, you know, the in person stuff is such a cool
element of this. So I'm hope we get to hang out
again soon. Yeah, for sure.
And I mean, I really appreciate all those thoughts from both of
you. The chat that is my surrogate
father. I feel sad.
I don't feel like I, I mean, I think you 2 are the parents in
the room. I'm kind of the font uncle.
So I'll still be coming in as the font uncle who's like, you
know, a little too tipsy on stream sometimes.
But yeah, man, I'm I somebody else in the chat said something
like weaving quite a tale here. And I mean, a big part of the
reason I I did that. I wrote down all these thoughts
over here. I wanted to make sure to, to, to
explain it. Well, first of all, it's because
I am who I am. You guys have watched the show
before. You know that when I get going,
I'm going to go for a while, but it's, it's also that like I'm a,
a very like curious person by nature.
So whenever this kind of thing happens, my mind sets always
like, whoa, you know, what's the real story behind the scenes or
something? And I, and I always hear other
people say that kind of stuff. Just important for me not to, to
reiterate that I have felt so fortunate to get to work with
Pat and Pete. I mean, those of you who've met
him in Vegas know this, but they're even better people
behind the scenes than they are in person.
I, I mean, you guys talked about all the stuff that we've done
together on ship chasing. Like I said, I we've developed
these friendships feel like growing up in a lot of ways.
Or you know, during this time, I've watched both of you guys
become parents. I've watched Pat become a
millionaire at this time, I've watched Pete grow this awesome
YouTube empire. There's so many memories I've
been thinking about a lot over the last like week or so.
The things that we've done. I mean it cuz it, I started in
the fall of 2020 right in the middle of a pandemic.
And we used to just chill on here for like 3 hours cuz what
the hell else were we doing at that time, right?
And then after the show, we would hang out for like 2 hours
more just talk and like chill. Like, I mean, we would, we we
did that for so long, you know, during those years where we were
just like looking for something social as part of this.
And you know, I've been dreading this, talking about it.
That's why I ran through 9,000,000 words in 30 seconds
right there. But at the same time, we got on
the stream to talk about these underdog AD PS And you know, I
was like, man, it's going to be kind of tough to do a show
because we got that announcement coming at the end.
And I wanted it to be at the end because I wanted an opportunity
to go a little long for the people who want to listen to it,
but not have it be like too much of a thing or whatever.
But we get on that stream and like the 45 minutes or whatever
an hour before we got into this just absolutely flew by and I
had an awesome time chatting ball with you guys and chatting
about AD PS And like the when I when I talk a little bit about
the like, you know, comments getting into my skin or things
like that of the streaming stuff.
Like, again, I just want to reiterate that getting a chance
to do it with you guys is what has made it so much fun over the
years and made it so manageable and whatever.
Because like, what just happened for me in the first hour of this
stream where I was like stressed out coming on the show and then
had an awesome time. And then now we're having to
have this conversation, which is the chats going, Ben's going to
cry. I mean, look, I'm not not going
to cry. Yeah.
No, I couldn't agree more. It's all, it's always been a
blast. We've prepped I think
approximately like 0 minutes for combined shows over the last.
You know, it's just we get on, we jam out and just like RIP off
one another. And that's been the the joy of
it for me. For sure, and I'm sure people
want, you know, show for for us. You know what, we'll keep
rolling. We're going to keep having the
time. You know, Pat and I will discuss
some stuff, but same as same as usual on our end.
And like we've said a few times, Gretsch open door policy when he
wants to swing by all of the the tent pole streams, all that good
stuff. Maybe we have to have AI.
Don't know how much it aligns with your new health goals, but
if you want to ring the bell. You.
Could do that, but yeah, man, it's it.
It won't be the same not having you around here, but fully
appreciate you needing to kind of take care of what you need to
take care of and prioritizing that stuff because it's it's
very important. Yeah.
I mean, that's again well said. And yeah, I mean, I just want to
say one more time that I really appreciate the chat and, you
know, the audio listeners and, and everyone that's that's hung
out over the years, If you listen, if you've only, you
know, watched a couple of shows, if you've watched a bunch of
shows, if somebody in there was like, this is the first.
Time. It's his first shot.
I thought that, yeah, like we've done this like 200 times and
this. Is his first shot.
I think, I think that's a testament to how good my title
was. The most absurd 25.
So we're just searching YouTube and like what is the Most absurd
1. That's amazing.
But yeah, I mean, I, there's not really much more I can say.
And you know, it as a sort of my, my, my style.
I wanted to get a lot out there and I kind of threw it all out
there, but now I'm kind of feeling the emotion of it.
So I just, yeah, I think we got to, we got to shut it down and,
and, and move on. I mean, it's, it's one of those
things where it's like, you know, the kind of thing about it
too, like whatever, like bands break up shows that you love and
whatever things happen and like you guys are going to you guys
are the heart of this show. You guys, again, are the good
streamers. I'm an analyst like I if you
guys bring on a new person to fill my seat, that person's
going to fit in seamlessly because you guys are so freaking
good at what you do. I mean that so genuinely.
And I'm excited for that for you guys and for the Chad and for
everybody. But it is one.
Of you like yeah, you reiterate for people who like think you're
not you're just not doing ship chasing regularly.
All you're the sub stack even let people know.
Stealing bananas like let people know.
Yeah, stealing, stealing sub stack is Yeah, Ben
gretch.substack.com is the stealing signal sub stack.
I'm still doing the betting stuff as well as stealing lines.
And then I have the Stealing Bananas podcast with with Sean
Siegel where I'll still be doing those.
I mean, we record those at various times.
It's less stringent on, you know, we move things around.
Sometimes we just take weeks off whatever.
And and it's a little bit easier as well on the pre recording
side as opposed to live streaming.
It feels a little bit different, at least for me, as far as
making content. And so, yeah, also be doing that
podcast and the and the newsletter are the two the two
main things. But yeah, I just wanted to, I
guess wrap it up by saying that, yeah, things do come to an end.
That's the that's the way I'm looking at it is like, yeah, I
mean, we one of the like big things I learned in business
early on when I started doing my own stuff at that newsletter was
like, it's there's a lot of value in saying no, right?
And that's not what this is. But it's sort of similar is like
value in knowing when things are kind of just at the natural
point where you, you know, it's time to move on.
And for me, like it's really important that I that I be a
good dad at this stage of my two daughters lives and anything
that's kind of getting in the way of that in any way, even
just for me emotionally was not probably the right thing.
And and so it's not, it's not like there's been like a an
event or any kind of problem there or anything, right.
And I mean, This is why I just want to wrap it up because you
get talking and you're like, I don't know, I'm making it sound
weird, but it's just, I want to, I want to focus on different
things. And you know, that's just sort
of the natural like like you guys said, we still have to do
this. It wasn't like a plan where I
just started doing the shows with you guys and then we
started doing it more and more and more.
And we've done them for over 4 years now.
And like, that's where I'm at with it.
As we, you know, as we close this down and I won't be here
next week is like, I feel so freaking blessed to look back on
these four years and be like, this has been an awesome ride.
Like something that was so fulfilling, Probably the most
fulfilling thing I've done in content in this industry in, in,
you know, this little weird career that I've carved out.
I've had so much fun. We've done so many, such a
variety of things, so many guests on so many different
types of live streams, drafting the playoff stuff, which like
will probably be something I'll be around for next year because
I'll want to come hang with you guys and do that stuff.
The NFL draft streams, which you guys are going to see me for
because what the hell else am I going to do on the NFL, Jeff?
I'm going to want to come hang with you guys.
Like I'm not going to fucking watch the draft on my own.
Like there's a whole lot of of variety to the things that we've
done over the years, the clips, everything that I just look back
on and I'm like, man, I'm, I'm going to have that with me for
the rest of my life. And it's so, so cool.
And at the same time, like I said, streaming's kind of a
young man's game. It's a hard thing for me to
answer the bell every week at this point.
I know what the whole offseason's like.
I know what the the drafting season's like.
I know what the end season's like.
And I know that it's something that I can't really give my all
to anymore. You know, I the other thing I
didn't want to go into is like how much I, I do tend to drink
on stream because I know like Chad's been like, dude, you got
a drinking problem before and I got kind of mad at him one time.
But I like the funny part about that is I like never drink other
than on stream, but I, I, that's another thing where it's an
example of what was a, a signal to me that it's time is that I,
I felt like in this last year, I was leaning on, on drinking more
as sort of a crutch to kind of like go be fun on stream on
camera live. And it's like, if you're doing
that, man, you got to rethink like the decisions you're
making. I mean, it's, it's not that it's
a bad thing. It's not that I, I feel like
it's a massive problem. I haven't drank at all in
January. I'm doing a dry January.
I'm going to probably go a couple more months and I can
still stream with you guys and do that.
But if I'm starting to use that as a crutch or something, then
that's your signal, That's your sign that like you're not doing
healthy stuff anymore. It's just time.
And, and that's what life is. You know, there's stages and
there's, there's a moment in time where you're like, I'm
going to, I'm going to move forward and I'm going to yeah.
And you guys are going to continue to to crush and and I'm
anyway I'm, I'm just, yeah, I'm ready.
Well here's the thing, you know Patrick said the outro music is
going to hit a little harder today.
Tim said. Got to play a clip to send
Gretch out in the true ship chasing away.
What if I told you we have a special clip, a never debuted
clip? Maybe you could even call it the
Gretchest hits. This is how we're going out
today. A celebration, a Ben Gretch.
Let's do it do. You guys remember that?
Hang on one second. I want to make sure I get this
on the screen right? My bad.
And then we can do this. Here song.
This is what? This is what do you guys
remember that This is why I'm hot song.
This is why This is why This is why I'm hot then six hours ago
could speak to it better. But Jesus this morning we were
talking about your birthday that mine's in 10 days.
I also will be 35. We were born 10 days apart.
Wow bro. You're ten days old then.
I could like, be your dad, dude. I don't really have like a
clear, you know, to quote my NFT Bros road map for where we're
headed here. Go dogs.
I used to be able to name and spell every country Trump
capital in the fucking world. Spelled Kurdistan right now.
KYRGYR I could when I'm rage you dipshit.
This is important for dad's work.
I'm a community could party with me except Chris G and Patton
Pete. You're eating nachos like these.
Fucking Cleopatra eating grapes. Well, let's get some Taco Bell.
Forget whether you know Ball. It's all about whether you know
Bell. There's different ways for the
order to go, guys. There's going to be some Nacho
cheese involved. No sour cream.
Replace it with Nacho cheese. You do the Nacho cheese,
chalupa, maybe a cantina Taco. Pretty good.
PS You take a look before. You took a look at the Taco Bell
menu board. Are you ordering the bell?
Are you ringing the bell? No.
I'm not worrying the bell. I only ordered the bell.
Would we? Sweep.
I just want everyone to know I'm going to be ringing the bell.
So Oh my God, they put it the wrong place.
They sent me a picture of somebody else's house.
This is the house I lived in four years ago.
You have the wrong fucking address in dude.
Gretch, I'm starting to think you don't know bell man.
Any final words guys? DJ Moore Week.
All right, we got DJ Moore week. We got Brandon Iuke week.
Gretch, what do you got for us? Oh man, I don't have a good week
for you. Put on the Lavisca highlighter
or something for three seconds. Give me one.
All right, you got to take Ben. Gabriel Davis Week.
Week. We'll see you guys next time.