Tonight on Ship Chasing Another FFPC Main Event Draft $2000 Buy
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Kerrain, and of course our guests of Honor, Roto visits
Sean Siegel. It's tonight on Ship chasing
Let's roll. Do you guys know Ball, Pat
Fryer? Helmo this.
Is what this is what I'm hot Anita hint a hand job?
Fix your side Jamar and also. Play chase.
You can't handle the heat. It looks like we're finally this
way. Through right Shawn.
Are are we? Are we still piss boys?
Are we? Are we robust to our B boys now?
Because I've been drafted with you and I I don't think you're a
piss boy anymore. How how many running backs did
we take in the first 7 rounds yesterday?
It was it was a lot. Someone asked me in my discord,
Shawn. There was and I haven't even
gotten around to responding it. There go he, he said.
Pete, I want you to know, what did you honestly think about the
team you drafted with Shawn? Yesterday.
How many running backs did you draft?
We drafted 4 through, Was it 7:00 or 8:00?
And then we did add Kenny Gainwell as well.
So it's ended up being 5. Total happens.
It happens. I've done stuff like that
occasionally. Yeah.
You know, you got to live a little.
Of course. Kerrane Gretch, Sean Segal
joining us. Of course, you know, it's, it's
fun because Sean, I remember, you know, a few years ago we
would have you on for a couple shows like 1 early in the summer
or early in August. Then we would maybe draft a team
and it was so rare to get to get you on stream or to even do like
podcast stuff cuz you're mainly exclusively writing.
And now I feel like we're blessed with you doing all kinds
of podcasts with column with with grads.
You've been doing the show with me.
How does it feel to now be just part of the the content churn
here in the fantasy football space?
Well, I love it. The podcasting has been an
absolute blast and. Yeah, I mean the only question
is whether it makes this like just not so special.
I I did appreciate it last year when you made that same basic
point and people chimed in and said we can never get enough.
So you know, just somebody throw that in there for me, it's still
special. Sean, would you do an A draft
for $1,000,000? And I do think this year is
particularly unique because we joked about the the Piss Boy
stuff, but we have a very unique landscape in in drafts right now
and I think we're gonna get to put some of those ideas to the
test here. I never thought someone asking
for validation could be so endearing, but.
Hold it on. And two minutes into the show
chat. This guy, they could never do
it. Come on, help him out, man.
There it is historical. There you go.
Come on. There's no such thing as enough.
That's right. But just don't call him your 0
RB King or he might. He might disappoint you on that
front. All right, so we're off to the
races here. We're drafting from the 1-6
tonight. I think a spot we're all excited
about. You know, especially in this
kind of landscape that's still settling ADP wise.
You know, there's lots of fun stuff you can do from the middle
part of the board. We see Jefferson Chase, Kelsey
Hill come off the board. We're about to be on deck from
1/6 here. McCaffrey still on the board,
Cooper Cup still on the board, Austin Eckler on the board here.
Any initial thoughts from you guys?
Well, Chase went to again, which I guess is, uh, I don't know, I
thought Kelsey was gonna be locked into two.
I I mean, I obviously get taking Chase there though.
I had another. Three where I got yeah I mean it
it I've got because we had one together as well and I've had
couple threes and gotten Kelsey in both.
It's like, I'm, I haven't seen Chase go three.
I've seen, but like the ADP says that Kelsey's, he says Kelsey's
too. Yeah, yeah.
No one actually wants to collect Kelsey yet too, anymore.
Yeah. Does that happen in our draft
with the stat chasing guys? Right.
So Cooper Cup does go guys. We had looked at him initially.
Is this a CMC pick for you guys or anything else you want to
float? Well, this does throw wrench
into the predraft plan that we had put together.
I was actually going to pitch a more aggressive predraft plan
that would. Actually work with Christian
McCaffrey here with Cooper Cup and Christian McCaffrey as the
two guys who are most likely to fall to six.
I mean, you're getting the two guys with the very highest
ceilings and so it just really underlines how valuable it is to
get a pick in the top six when five and six might be the best
guys. Any other thoughts here other
than CMC guys? No.
No, All right. The CMC.
It's like the, it's like the biggest tier drop I can remember
in the last several years, right?
Like I mean. Eckler is kind of an interesting
little mini tier down, but then you get to the receivers at like
108. I mean, I would just not want to
have 108. I get asked a lot what's what's
your favorite draft slot or whatever least favorite.
I think my my answer is my least favorite.
Is 108 or one or nine like that's it?
I'm not even as into Eckler at that price, like it's, you know,
he's another year older. They've got they added firepower
at wide receiver that in some ways I think.
His his amazing season last year was like a symptom of the
offense not functioning all that well.
Obviously he played amazing, but I don't know, I it doesn't like
whereas McCaffrey, I feel like it's set up really well.
I I was like looking recently just to go back and see his his
scoring with the 49ers. And yeah, it was.
It was what I wanted to see at all.
We do see Amanra St. Brown go right after us here.
I believe we also have some friends.
Our guy Clay, I believe is from the 18.
There's also a team in the 12 hole named Chasing Cars.
I feel like that might be someone who might be washing
this stream, but I don't know who that is.
They're not chase, they're not ship chasing, they're chasing
cars. That's.
Feels like it's it's a big. It could be, it could be, or it
could just be a complete coincidence.
Sean, I feel like we, when we've been drafting on underdog a bit,
you know, we've sometimes taken McCaffrey, but then a little gun
shy of just being like, are you going to get buried by an
avalanche? I get the impression though
you're still very excited about him though, especially at this
cost. Yeah, once you get into a two to
two format, it's just it's so dramatically different.
In terms of what you can do with it and what the downsides are to
taking running backs, if the running backs are the best
value. Because one of the things that
we have to think about with any format that the very Max you can
play is going to be 3 running backs and you have to play at
least three receivers, then receiver depth is dramatically
important and then that kind of also influences.
The easiest and best ways to make sure you're also covering
the flex and you're building the depth that you need to handle
all of those elements. Whereas if you're getting these
great running back values throughout the draft, you have
different opportunities to hit those guys and you can do that.
And so if you pass McCaffrey early, there's not a huge
penalty for it because you're going to get other options, and
getting up to like 4 elite running back starters is far
less valuable in this format. Especially in 2023 where one of
the things that you're dealing with here that I think is
important to, you know, keep in mind is that once Jalen Waddell
and Chris Alave are off the board, the highest scoring
player is basically going to be a running back all the way until
JK Dobbins is off the board. And so there is a a big stretch
there that you have to be I think more.
Flexible in your thinking about how you attack the flex than
ever before, where I mean zero RB was all about let's score the
most points, let's dominate the Flex, let's avoid all of those
running back landmines, and let's benefit and especially,
you know, in 2-3 one formats where I think for a long time
drafters didn't understand that. I mean, what you could do with
the running back position was somewhat limited, but what you
could do with wide receivers. This whole idea of let's get six
of the top 15 wide receivers. And I was kind of going back
through and looking at the years it was possible and thinking
about, you know how those guys are going to be valued.
And even thinking about, you know, 2013 is where the berth of
Rotov is and the excellent success for subscribers that
year. And one of the reasons is not
just loading up on the early guys, but that we had strongly
recommended Josh Gordon and Alshon Jeffrey, who went later
and had huge seasons. And so you also have to kind of
decide like who are the guys in that 78910 range at wide
receiver who are interesting for you and who are going to be able
to get the job done and make that 5 round jump that.
I mean obviously when you're around 2:00 and 3:00, there's a
limit to how far the guys can go up.
But you want to be thinking can this guy be A1O21O3 guy next
year after you get a little bit deeper than that.
I mean, you're looking for 3-4 round jump guys and I mean that
part of it is just so fun to. Like game out all the different
scenarios for in 2023 we've had some interesting picks come off
the board. Barkley at 9.
Pollard at 11. Bijon falls to 12.
The turn drafter also pairs in with a J.
Brown. The Pollard drafter grabs Nick
Chubb. Then we have Devonte Adams, CD
Lamb come off the board. The 8 hole with Austin Eckler is
on the clock. We are two away from picking
here. We'll be curious to see what the
Austin Eckler drafter does, but already some some interesting
picks you don't normally play. See Barkley go at 9 ahead of
guys like Bijon specifically. And we're seeing Pollard
continue to climb to your point at 111.
It really, it does seem that people were waiting for that
Zeke shooted drop and they're ready to take him at 111 now.
Yeah, yeah. I think now that we've cleared
out the Zeke not returning to Dallas, I think people are
finally starting to get the confidence in him.
Although you guys got to check out the Stealing Bananas podcast
projecting the second round, I know Sean's not disappointed to
see Tony Pollard going this early.
Garrett Wilson does come off the board here.
We'll see what the Amman on Saint Brown drafter does.
Were you grats? Were you hoping for Wilson to
fall? I mean, that would have been
ridiculous. Right.
Yeah, that would have been fun. Yeah, come on, come on.
One more pick here. See, Sean, there's two players I
feel like that that you like that are available here.
So I I feel like we're going to like our selection regardless,
but I am curious. So Mark Andrews does go.
That was who you wanted. That was one of them.
I was hoping that, you know, Mark Andrews is a personal
favorite. And then obviously everybody
watching has read about him from one, you know, very good
legendary upside post. So that's too bad.
That's why I was going to pound the table for.
I was very excited the opportunity to take Andrews.
But getting receiver here is nice too.
Yeah, Jalen Waddell would be would be the guy from me.
Anyone else? At what point Sean was calling
him the best pick of the first round, What he wasn't going at
the first round? I think a lot.
Of his name should be mentioned, but I prefer.
Yeah. Waddell was my pick as next
year's 104, so that's probably a little aggressive.
I don't think he would be the best pick in the first first
round. Right now, but with John says
the next year's 104, I just clicked the button we.
Just set the ceiling bananas episode everyone asks us the
most about. It's where we predict next
year's redraft first round. And there's your spoiler that
John and Jalen wattle at the 104.
That's always such a fun exercise where Sean, how do you
see that that playing out is? Is it because him and he'll stay
neck and neck and drafters then just want to bet on the younger
guy a year later? Or do you actually see Waddle
kind of surpassing Hill as the 1A in that offense?
Yeah, I think that you have potential for Hill to, you know,
get dinged up for, you know, one of the things that people it's
just it's so hard when a guy has been that good, just like with
Travis Kelsey, I mean. But at some point you have a
little bit of deterioration and then at some point you have a
lot of deterioration. We're not necessarily predicting
that. But one of the things that you
look at is that Hill's ability to command targets and you can
see this through a wide variety of different stats, but it's
just crazy. And Wattles.
Ability to command targets was okay, but even with that being
the case, Wattles. You know, yards per route and
the other different elements. You look at his ability to get
some of those yards after the catch.
You look at the ability to put up fantasy points at a level to
where if he commands a few more targets or runs more routes
because both of those guys get dinged up and have maybe lower
route percentages that people realize.
And that's probably going to stay down compared to other
elite receivers. But you have some possibility
for him to add some legitimate volume.
To where people are looking at him and, you know, trying to
figure out why he wasn't a top six pick in this year's draft.
That I mean the only thing that can derail him other than just
the avalanche of very ticky tack injuries that he's always
suffering, which I think you have to, you know, be a little
bit concerned about. But just if somehow defenses are
able to adjust. But.
I'm a very big believer that this Dolphins offense is going
to continue to evolve as well. You've got a great mind there,
and they're going to, when they've been the best offensive,
getting the ball to their playmakers.
That's something that I really value.
When you have a guy who number one has done what Waddell has
done through two seasons and #2 the speed there, the athleticism
there, the things that you can do when you have something that
even at the NFL level very few other people have, it just gives
you crazy upside in a young player.
We do see some interesting pics here.
Calvin Ridley goes AT28 right after us.
We said Jamir Gibbs goes at 2:11 to the Jamar Chase drafter.
So and then the Travis Kelsey drafter stacks him up with
Patrick Mahomes. But we're.
In a loose room. Tonight it is loose for sure,
Yeah the I am excited to see what falls to us here in the
middle of the third round AT36 Josh Allen comes.
Off the board, TJ Hawkinson comes off the.
Board We've seen Jerko before in a lot of these drafts.
After stacking KC there, I would have guessed a different
position. That's a fun start as well.
I mean, we're getting, we're getting a lot of people doing
some fun stuff in this in this room.
Today. Jonathan Taylor finally comes
off the board at 3-4 to the Tyree Kill Crystal Lava drafter.
That seems fun. We'll see what the Cooper Cup
Calvin Ridley drafter does here and then we will be on the clock
at 36 here. Jalen Hertz is in the top by
80P. We've seen Mahomes and Allen
come off the board. Are you how?
There's nothing else here, right?
Like it has. Yeah.
I think. I'm prepared that I'm gonna get
my no, no, I'm saying like, I don't even know what he could
take instead. For.
Few or she. I see what you're saying.
We're gonna get heartbroken. It's it's Jalen Hurts.
Or. Jalen hurts.
How did that happen, Shawn? Do you like T Higgins here?
I thought we were talking about Compass.
No, I'm just kidding. No, I mean, it seems very
obvious that it's T Higgins. And yet I do want to mention
that Ramon Ray Stevenson now has.
Like. Maybe the worst running back
who's going to have gotten touches in NFL history behind
him. So are we not like boosting his
projected volume? It got elevated with Zig side
this. This is the genius of Shawn.
He comes in here and he starts a draft saying, you know, we
haven't been able to get T Higgins in the middle of the
third round in any format all fucking summer long.
Shawn says the running back is the best pick at every single
juncture after the first round. And then Higgins finally falls
to us in the third. Your psyops here, Sean has
finally worked. Amazing.
Yeah. Well, I'd love to see that
Eckler, Barkley, Pollard, Robinson, Chubb run there
because yeah, that starts to get you to think.
I mean, some guys are going to fall and I don't know, I mean
Waddell Higgins, as your round one, round two start would
actually be fine and you? Have Christian McCaffrey on.
Top of that. So I'm pretty excited.
Lot of Higgins at the 1-2 turn. I think Gretchen nailed it.
This room is loose tonight. Like people are having some fun.
That's a fun room, yeah. When when I was talking about
Jocko taking Hawkins in there, I mean, I I was saying like, we've
seen him. We've seen him in a lot of these
drafts in the past. Definitely recognize that name.
I thought that was going to be Higgins.
And then I didn't even really dare to dream.
I'm looking at my list going, who could it be, Pete, you
called it. It could be Hertz.
But I mean like. We we couldn't have got.
Higgins to go one more pick I don't think.
I mean people don't want to take from Andre this high right now.
That I mean that was a that was a fun run out.
We don't get. It's nice, right?
When you get it's, it's stressful.
But it you want to get the very last guy in that tier right.
He's like you want there to be one obvious pick every time then
it hurts when he doesn't get there but but he did.
Yeah, and it just kind of goes back to the 5-6 too, where.
I mean, it could still very easily be the case that we
prefer Cooper Cup when we're another three or four rounds in.
But I mean, now you're kind of looking at it and thinking that
Christian McCaffrey being there at six could end up being like
the like the massive piece that makes this all work and you
know, creates that $1,000,000 upside.
I I was just gonna ask you, Sean, 2V2 Cooper Cup, Ramadre
Stevenson, Christian McCaffrey, T Higgins, Which side?
I'm I'm really high on Stevenson and so I think that's pretty
close to a wash And yet when you think about different scenarios
that could play out I I don't know that there's one with cut
Stevenson to where you're really saying OK things change and it's
even way better and certainly we always talk about like the last
thing in the world as we ever want is for somebody to get
hurt. But with the build that we have,
if Jamar Chase does miss some games like he did last year, I
mean that's gonna definitely be better than like cut Waddle and
Stevenson would be. And last year he missed some
time, but Higgins wasn't right at any point.
Last year we didn't really see that breakthrough.
But like if you have a healthy Higgins for a stretch with with
Chase out, like you said, I mean it's he's a first round pick at
that point himself. Yeah, right after, you know, the
ADP and wasn't trying to figure out like the cheapest way to get
guys, I wouldn't have a huge problem, you know, at least
taking some shares of Higgins where A J.
Brown and Devonte Adams are going.
Right. Yeah, we So we take Higgins the
pics following we get Keenan Allen AT37 Debo AT38, Metcalf at
39. That feels pretty standard.
We do get Joe Mixon at 310 goes to the digs and Adams drafter,
the Pollard Chubb drafter. Takes Jerry, Judy and then we
see Darren Waller come off the board at 3:12.
I mean, people are living a little tonight.
Guys, well, didn't Waller go 312 in our first main event too?
I think, I think our first and our second.
I think all three of the ones that we've done, yeah, they've
been living all summer, man. Yeah, the Waller's team is real.
The Waller's team is real. Ramondre does go to the turn
here, so Ramondre goes at 41. Feels like a nice pick.
Yeah, that guy's watching. Sean's been talking about him
for 1/2 round. He doesn't remember that you.
Can't talk about. That, that haven't been drafted
yet. The guy.
That's right. But I mean, Stevenson wasn't
going to come all the way back to the fuzzy.
You know what? They did this me.
They did this to me last night. Sean did.
This to me last night. Yeah, they they won't admit it.
They won't admit that Stevenson wasn't coming.
He would have if he didn't talk about him.
Sean he. Would have been.
We'll never know. Butterfly effect.
Yeah, you never know. He's chasing cars.
If we would have started talking about Josh Jacobs, he probably
would have taken Josh Jacobs. Yeah, exactly.
All Sean needed to say was that he's super high and Josh Jacobs
and Josh Jacobs is gonna he would have seen Stevenson still
on the board right now. I mean, hang on.
I'm gonna go full screen, Sean, talk about Naji Harris.
So maybe the best way to describe what Naji Harris is
currently doing is that the other day, again, just to kind
of recalibrate myself, was to look at Jalen Warren as a
college player. And you see that he's a small,
slow guy with mediocre peripherals.
And then you throw him into the Pittsburgh Steelers offense and
like his advanced stats are crazy.
So again, we're talking about a little bit of the contrast that
these two players are putting up.
I mean, I hope that Harris works out.
I think that there are some tiny elements with him in terms of
some of the tackle breaking things that are similar to what
Josh Jacobs had where he did eventually break out, but
probably a lot more similarities to Trent Richardson, right to
where it was just going to be done so.
My job is done. I got Naji here.
We lost Greece Hall on the Naji. The Naji.
Yeah, to just like that was the that was the most depressing
Talk up, pump up speech I've ever.
Heard just pull up out of this like burial of Naji Harris to
go. I hope he works out.
I hope he works out just buries him.
I hope it works out. He's probably Trent riches.
Him though. I mean one of the concerns, and
I would I would mention Dave Cabins breakaway rush score here
and just even at Alabama when you have these massive holes and
you have this elite athleticism, if you're not breaking big
plays, then how are you going to do it against NFL defenders And
it's really easy to get tied up in a guy's broken tackle rate
and realize that Zach Moss and David Montgomery are you know,
two of the best guys there. You've got to turn it into yards
which is one of the reasons why athleticism that translates into
yards and thus fantasy points and also potentially big plays.
When you talk about Jonathan Taylor his you know some of his
peripherals are merely good as opposed to supernatural.
But when they're really good and then there's a hole and you're
going to run for 70 yards, that is huge.
I also don't think, like people maybe remember that Naji was
talked up as like this. He can want, he can run wide
receiver routes. He's going to be this like
receiving weapon and that whole part of his profile cuz that
coming out the the lack of explosiveness was, was regularly
cited and was like, I feel like a widely understood red flag on
him. It's been as bad as we were
worried it would be. So the receiving side just has
not materialized in any way. He was.
He was inefficient last year as a receiver and as a rookie.
So we're on the clock. The Mark Andrews drafter stacks
up Lamar Jackson. We see Josh Jacobs, Christian
Watson also come off the board here.
Thoughts. I mean, ETN is the last of a
tier running backs for me and then there's some tight ends.
That's where I'm at. What do you guys think?
I think that's very clear at running back.
And yeah, I probably should have a tight end as.
Well, jumping out to me here. What do you think Sean I I have
it as ETN and then there's you know potentially some even
options at a different position in the next round but I I'm.
Perfectly so you would. You would prefer ETN, right?
Yeah. OK.
Yeah, I got a little. I'm sorry.
I got a little confused as to what which ones everybody was
saying, but I I mean, I just, the, the numbers on ETN are
crazy, right? And I mean, he was the guy in
the recent article where I talked about there are some
Jamal Charles echoes there. And I say echoes as opposed to,
you know, some of the fun headlines where you're like, I
mean, obviously they're silly, but like the next such and such
because nobody's going to be the next Jamal Charles.
He's probably the best pure runner we've ever seen.
But I mean, Etn's ability to slashed that line to create the
big plays and you go back to what he did in college, but also
what he did last year when he probably wasn't 100% in an
offense that was still kind of being put together.
So that was good. The variety of upside that you
have with him should not be there in the fourth round.
Yeah, yeah, I agree. Yeah, We were all, I think, in
agreement. The chat was saying that the
Naji stuff we were saying was like kind of how we were killing
Josh Jacobs. I just kind of want to point out
that like. We, I don't know if we've really
discussed this at length. Like the Josh Jacobs thing was
like, I mean we were wrong about it.
Like like he hit, he hit in multiple ways.
We talked about that. Like one of the really key
things about the way that he hit or if you were on his profile
last year that you kind of have to acknowledge is you would have
been on a lot of profiles that also busted.
I mean, there's really no way around that unless you knew
specifically what Josh Jacobs had that was unique.
But trying to find, to Sean's point about trying to find the
next like great Jamal Charles, trying to find the next Josh
Jacobs by looking at somebody like Naji Harrison saying that
he's going to be the next Josh Jacobs.
The hit rate for what Josh Jacobs did last year is
incredibly well. That's just like, I also think
it's just wrong. It's just the point is wrong.
It he doesn't actually look much like Josh Jacobs.
Like if you look at, because I went back and looked at some of
Josh Jacobs stuff and was like, you know, he actually rated OK
in NFL Next in success rate. And like he wasn't he was buying
in yards per hour on it. Like some of the stuff that I
regularly cite and look at, like Jacobs was not bad in.
He just wasn't that good. And I bet against him like three
years in a row and I was ready to bet against him again.
Like, I do think he was a little bit of a blind spot.
He wasn't like this amazing profile that I missed, but once
he fell into the seventh round or whatever I should have, I
should have thought through the bet again.
And I didn't really do that. Harris looks like a meaningfully
worse bet than Jacobs was last year and is more expensive.
So I I just, I do not. I do not think it's a good idea
to go well. Josh Jacobs hit last year.
I can take Harris cuz you guys don't know what you're talking
about. He could get there on
projection, like he has a lot of projected volume.
He could get there. It's not impossible, but I just
don't think it's a good bet. I think you want to use it just
second, which makes a good point.
If you want to do it, you got to know Ball I.
Mean, he says. So would you?
Would you need to buy the next Josh Jacobs?
Would you need to know Ball? I think so.
I feel like a guy like Kim Acres would be the closer comp to this
year's Josh Jacobs, right? Like as far as like Price and
like what he's done before and feeling you know ho hum about
the offensive situation. Damian Pierce comes to mind.
We talked about this. Yeah, like he he was fine last
year and the stuff I look at and could be a workhorse and I don't
like, I'm not excited about the offense and I don't love the
player. I don't really want to take a
running back there, but he could he could consolidate all the
work and be really good and he's not going.
I don't think he's going to absolutely like crush in terms
of like putting up a legendary season or anything, because I
don't think he's that good. But he would be someone where I
could see him. I could see me being like there
were signs and I I didn't really take them that seriously.
Well, Jacobs also is somebody who, I mean, he posted a 17%
broken tackle rate as a rookie, which is crazy.
I mean, it's a ridiculously high number, average, almost 5 yards
per carry. And one of the other big
differences I think for me is that the Raiders put out a lot
of very misleading signs or just bread crumbs.
However you want to talk about it in terms of what Zamir White
was for them last season with the Steelers, we already know
that they are aware that Jalen Warren is a similar kind of
player. So I think that the risk that
Naji's going to go out and get all of the work and that that is
also going to be the thing that kills you.
That risk is pretty minimal by comparison.
Yeah, I agree. Kyle Pitts comes off the board.
We are on deck here after the team 5 picks.
You got a couple of quarterbacks kicking around here.
Burro Herbert Fields wide receivers.
You're in the Terry Mclaurin, Deonte Johnson, Brandon Iuk
range here. Anyone else that were
interested, Well, I put a couple names in the chat I I feel.
I feel. Comfortable saying it.
In this room, JSN is not coming back.
So if we want JSN, this is the pick.
Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't, I wouldn't hate it.
I was going to, I was going to float Terry McLaren, who I been
in. Your piece that I read today,
you talked about as a floor pick and I I just wanted to make the
case for his ceilings. I think he has one, but he's
gone, so I'm good with Jason. Sean, what do you like?
Because I know you got a few different options here.
We we definitely don't. I mean, we've talked about it
now, so he probably won't come back for sure.
I I was thinking that either JSN or the tight end here would be
the way to go. Got her.
Yeah, I mean, I think we could go.
Got her too. I like Goddard, but he's.
I don't know. We're gonna.
Village for Goddard in this range, it's more like he's not
like a he's not like a tight end, premium type of boosted
play, right? Like he's more like yards after
catch, big play type of guy. I don't know.
Sean, JSN or God If people are are OK with JSN, let's do that.
Yeah, we're very OK with it. We made a mistake last night.
Not getting JSN when we wanted to get him.
Let's not make the same mistake tonight.
So I've got our ADP pulled up, which I can look at just the
last day, which has like 20 or so drafts and fantasy pros, main
event. And Walker, you know overall had
come back to the spot with him going off at the 4:10.
I do think it made it a a question of I mean obviously
you're kind of hoping Pitts is going to make it a couple more
spots. The only reason that I really do
like Goddard right there is I think that like all three of the
Eagles past catchers are are rich in some ways and they have
some weaknesses in that. I mean, you're basically banking
on some efficiency with all three of them being elite
talents in and of themselves and then also or at least for the
wide receivers and then got her maybe just a good talent and
then you're banking on that offense.
One of the things, and I was there before and then especially
after reading through Pat's research on the tight ends, I
actually don't like hardly any tight ends at all after this.
And so it does. That's the portion of all of
them, too. Right, right.
It's like but it is. Interesting right.
So in my rankings that Sean was kind of you were joking about
this on a recent. So the videos I I put these big
tier breaks where I think there's a big gap and I do have
one after Goddard. But the way that I have tight
end prior to my big tier break is Kelsey in his own tier,
Andrews in his own tier. And then I have the next four in
a tier. And then I have Goddard in his
own tier because I do have him like this half tier down from
this Hawkinson, Waller, Kittle pits range and then the big tier
break and then everyone else that we're saying like we don't
really like anyone else. But I do think it's fair to be
like God. It's not on the same level.
As the first six like to me, that is how I ranked.
It was my point there. I I do think he's a clear 7 in
in past. Defense.
Yeah I think for me like from a best ball perspective I I
quibble with that you know but because I think like Waller
presents like some real injury risk as this older guy he seems
to be fading a bit but you're going to feel good about start
like if he so once we get to managed I agree.
I actually think Waller is just like a better managed league
pick and you could say 1/2 tier, both Goddard for sure,
especially like when you get to tight end premium like what does
Goddard give you? He gives you big plays, he gives
you spike week upside and elite offense.
He does give you a little bit of contingent value I think, which
is now we could be talking about some tight end premium boost,
but yeah, I don't, I don't. Mind that at all.
I do want to talk about this because I'm surprised at the
chat. So people saying JSN over Iuke
is insane. Then they say I like JSN, but he
could be the 3rd to start in Seattle.
I mean, isn't Iuke. I mean, we all like Iuke, but I
mean, he's also, he could legitimately be the fourth
option in San Francisco's offense behind CFC, Debo, and
Kittle. Like I don't actually think it's
that different. I also and I I really like how
you, but I think when you're taking him in this range you're
buying into the real drum beat that's there and it is a valid
you know I think it's the legit drum beat.
It's like the only like camp stuff that I'm like the like
adjusting the ranks on to steal the the Denny Carter thing.
But it's a legit like Brandon and Iyuke is getting the types
of reports that you think he's about ready to to absolutely
take off and and ascend them to another level.
But part of that, part of the ways that that happens are if
things don't consolidate or I mean if things are like opening
up in in San Francisco in some way.
Either Debo's not playing particularly well or Kittle
misses time, which he does often, or Christian McCaffrey
misses time. And we have McCaffrey already
and we're already kind of saying that Mccaffrey's going to be
this legendary RB1. And I don't think in the
scenarios where McCaffrey is a superstar running back, I'm not
saying that you can't stack them together, but I I'm not like
crazy about how you get this price on a McCaffrey bill.
The other thing the the difference between JSN and Iuke
is I think what's in front of JSN is far more surmountable
than what's in front of Iuke. You know, like I I don't think
JSN closing out the year as the top dog on Seattle is an insane
take. I think it's probably fairly
realistic where I don't know if Iuke can do that in San
Francisco. I think that's, yeah.
All four of those 49ers are better than DK Metcalf and Tyler
Lockett. That yeah, exactly.
And I think the thing that I used gonna battle is that they
don't really want to have someone emerge as like this
target dominator. Like this is a team that wants
to be able to tack you different ways, wants to keep you off
balance, wants you to think you know what they're doing and then
punch you from the other direction.
So I guess I'm just, I like IUK and I take IUK over JSN and Best
Ball most of the time. But I don't think it's
outrageous at all to take a guy who can offer you elite target
dominant upside down the stretch.
I mean, and that's what JSN I think offers us like he he could
just be open constantly in the short and intermediate areas of
the field and we know Juno Smith is hyper accurate to those areas
like it. It doesn't even have to be that
he's better than anyone. It's just that he's open where
his quarterback likes to throw the ball and he that's the case
on almost every play. That's going to draw a lot of
targets. So some of the pics that have
coming off the board. So JSN we took then I you
Christian Kirk Deontay Johnson, Joe Burrow, Chris Godwin.
Goddard does go to the turn team also the Waller drafter, then
James Cook then Addison Alexander Madison to the Joe mix
and nausea Harris team. Justin Herbert goes to an
unstacked team out of the 9 hole.
Marquis Brown comes. Off the board at 8:00, we are on
deck right now. Definitely some interesting
names. The the chat is very excited
about Justin Fields falling this far.
We'll see if the Lamar Jackson owner would double tap.
Do you guys have interest in Justin Fields at 6-7?
Well, I wrote him up as the best pick in whatever round he was
going in this format. And so I do like in there, but I
just have a hard time when I'm actually playing the leagues
myself, burning a pick at QB when there are such tantalizing
other options. And so cuz I think tantalizing
you right now, Sean. Yeah, it's JK Dobbins.
It's tantalizing, Sean. I do like Dobbins here.
I think Dobbins is a stealth candidate to go for 2000 yards.
Let's take Dobbins. What are we doing?
Take them. I can't wait.
Chat. You're gonna have fun with this.
That is so, man. Realize that we were we were
counting down as well, but not from Fields.
The chat was getting too comfortable with liking our
team. It was time to To go full heel
Dobbins in fields is nuts, no. Enjoy it here and next, that is.
The funny thing is if they knew, if they knew some of the things
we were discussing before the show with this team, that the
entire chats brains would just like in clone and just melt onto
the floor. Which is so beautiful, but the
chat also has not moved from UH from best fall season yet.
I don't think guys it's still really early in in the main
event season. I saw a comment on James Cook
going 601 and FYI guess that's his ADP now in high stakes.
He's going there. His when I just looked it up the
other day when I was writing up my RB tears article, the highest
he's gone in the main event and there hasn't been a ton yet is
5/01 his average. I think his ADP was like right
at 60. If I'm not misremembering that,
that's like literally where he goes.
Like if you want to get James Cook in the main event, that's
where you take him. You might get him to fall a
little bit. But to get Dobbins after him.
To get Dobbins after Madison and White like.
Feels pretty. Good.
Yeah. Yeah, people are spooked on on
Dobbins even I I mentioned to you guys have been doing a bunch
of the weekly winners drafts and and guys like James Cook and
Madison, they're all going ahead of Dobbins in that format too.
Just people in general are are very spooked about Dobbins right
now. Yeah, but I'm disappointed
though. We only have one player so far
who's either injured or holding in.
I thought we might, you know, already be up to like 3.
So yeah, I mean, Taylor and Breese, I would have loved to
have if they fell a little further.
Yeah, I mean. Justin Fields does go 2 picks
after us, by the way. For For the People team.
Four Sex Panther has a pretty fun team here.
Tyree Kill, Chris Olave, Jonathan Taylor, I'mari Cooper.
But then Kyle Pitts and Justin Fields is a nice team.
Totally redeem yourself. You know the thing with like, JK
diamonds, right? He goes one pick ahead of David
Montgomery. Like, I mean, you know, this is
kind of my thing, but like the don't play running back as like
a floor play, like swing, swing for the fences at running back
like Dobbins. What if Dobbins is just holding
in as completely healthy and is going to like be back with the
Ravens offense pretty soon and the Ravens take a step forward?
I expect all of those things to happen.
I think none of them are guaranteed to happen and I'm
creating a little parlay, but I feel like I'm stringing together
some favorites and it actually pays out pretty good, that
ticket. So I mean, I don't know.
Dobbins feels like a guy normally, I don't know, 2-3
years ago would have been a third or fourth round pick when
without the holding stuff. But we'd be like, man, that's so
pricey, I mean. The funny thing is that Chad
doesn't realize if Ramondre Stevenson and Kenneth Walker
were available at certain junctures, we might have, you
know, 5 running backs through six rounds.
Right now, they don't realize that's the way you alluded to.
You guys don't even know what was about to happen.
Yeah. Sean, how do you feel about
this? Start Christian McCaffrey, Jalen
Waddell, T Higgins, Travis Etn, JSN JK Dobbins.
I feel like right there. There's probably like. 40,000
words you've written about those players this offseason.
Yeah, it's so much fun and it's so much fun to come on with you
guys and draft them. I just I've got some drafts
going right now that look pretty good, but I don't know if any of
them compared to this. It's pretty fun.
We are seeing a run here of running backs Javante Williams.
Goes to the one hole here they also grab up Kamara.
Then we see by Sanders come off the board.
Damien Pierce. We're back to the fields in
Pitts drafter the team. The chat is lustfully staring at
here during this draft. Definitely some interesting
names though for us here in the in the seventh round as Michael
Pittman comes off the clock, we got a guy on the board that was
in Shawn's 2024 second round. That is one of my next best
players out of position. I also have to say that from
following the drafts and reading the newsletters, it's probably
time to start throwing Evan Ingram out there as a
possibility. That's the one guy Pat Corinne
will not let us draft around here.
He refuses to let us draft him even as.
Such a good. Movie ADP value.
Yeah. Was this a dark storm Cloud just
came over? Yeah, we had to wait to select
Greg Dolchich. Adam Troutman's backup instead
is what is what we had to do. Well, I'm so sorry that we have
Jordan Addison on our team, guys.
I'm just gonna have to apologize all season, I think.
Yeah, exactly. All right, 5 hole bleeding out
the clock. Here it is.
That's back. Shawn has me hyped on George
Pickens. Is there anyone else you guys
would like to take here? I think to me it's kind of flat
here. There's a few other wide
receivers who I would be interested in, in the queue, but
I don't feel strongly. So if you guys strongly prefer
Pickens, I'm good with it. I was who who Sean ranked in the
second round that I was referring to.
But there's actually another guy that ranked in the second round
that's here too and another guy that I know he likes just as
much as those guys. Sean, who is it going to be?
You got you got the four. I agree with that.
I like, I like Pickens. I think some of the things that
they did last season artificially deflated his
ability to command targets. Now it's always been a little
bit of an issue even stretching back obviously.
I think you could make the case that in some ways even his
really impressive season as a a rookie in the SEC, but with.
How dominant he's been in their camp with Deontay, Johnson and
some of the other players. They are also being able to
challenge defenses and with the big play ability and I mean the
contested catchability is unreal.
And you also have a guy here who seems already sort of beloved by
his teammates, by his quarterback and probably has one
of the best personalities in the NFL.
And I do think that that kind of thing.
Hang on, John, you know it's gonna be tiny that I read a
fantastic article on the Ringer I think, I think by Kevin Clark
about him and just the fact that this dude like goes out of his
way on every single play, regardless of if he's involved
in the play, not involved in the play.
I mean he he loves to talk about his blocking, which I have no
idea is even good or not. But he goes out of his way every
play to be weird and sometimes to run the routes incorrectly
because he thinks the defensive back is going to be very, it is
going to execute his own plan well on some of those routes.
And so if you blow your route, the defenders not going to know
what you're doing now. I mean, some of these things,
you can argue maybe aren't the thing you actually want.
This sounds like a big old idea to me.
Yeah, but I mean, Pickens is. I mean, he's a crazy, weird, fun
dude who also happens to be just a fantastic football player
stretching back a long time. And I mean, to be able to get
him in the seventh round is only possible because he had serious
injuries in college And maybe because he is weird and that's
turned off, you know, some people who let him fall to, like
the 50th pick of the reality draft.
So yeah, I mean, I do think there's a little bit of risk
with Pickens that he just gets buried by Deontay Johnson, like
being up there and leading the NFL in targets.
But even then, I think you got a decent floor and the ceiling.
It's just it's so much fun and it's it's really, really high.
Yeah. I feel like, Sean, you might
look at George Pickens and you might.
You might see a very simpatico, you know, personality.
A guy, Sean, you're willing to get weird in drafts.
George Pickens willing to get weird while running his routes.
I feel like you guys might be on the same wavelength.
It definitely feels good to have him on the team.
So our team here through 7 routes.
I I fucking love this team. CMC Jalen Waddell, T Higgins,
Travis Etn, JSN JK Dobbins, George Pickens.
This is a super fun team. Pat, how are you feeling?
I'm feeling good. I'm not to.
My concern with Pickens is the route running.
He didn't really get open last year and that's based on
reception perception and ESPN open score.
That might be overstating the reception perception, but he was
saying he, Matt Harmon, had him as a longterm starting X
receiver, but was saying he thought we need to pump the
brakes a bit on his ceiling and in open score he didn't rate.
It wasn't terrible. He's actually ready next, right
next to Mike Williams, which I kind of think is fitting, right?
Like it's like probably not going to get open that well, but
he's going to make those fun catches with the long arms and
and everything and got amazing hands and all that.
But that that's the part that concerns me a little bit,
especially next to Deontay Johnson.
So I've been mixing him in the 7th, but he hasn't been a huge
target for me there. I I don't want to mention anyone
else in case they went Oh yeah, I was going to actually float
Mike Evans although he's he's less fun.
And then Dotson was the other guy that I thought would be
pretty interesting. But again I think it is flat and
I like I certainly like the idea that you're getting Pickens now,
you know several years removed from the ACL.
Maybe the offense takes a step forward.
Deonte, he gets open, but he's not really do much other than
that. Like maybe they just, you know,
move pickings up in sort of the play calling hierarchy we see
for more first reads. So I think it's an upside swing.
It's it's a good one. I think it can be a real trap to
get like too hung up in what team observers are saying.
Because I mean often that stuff is actually already priced in or
already factored into how fantasy analysts are thinking
about it. And then if you factor it in
again, you're double counting in a way that then starts to lead
you in the wrong direction. But kind of building off what
Pat just said there. A lot of people you know in and
around the Steelers think that that target gap between those
two guys is going to come down dramatically.
And if it did, then I mean Pickens would be in great shape.
I also love Dotson and he's somebody I draft ahead of
Pickens depending on the situation.
His ADP here suggested to it to us that like there was at least
a slight chance he would come back, but obviously didn't.
We so the pics. So we took pickings.
The pics that came off the board after Cam Acres, Trevor
Lawrence, DeAndre Swift, Michael Thomas, Jahan Dotson who we were
mentioning was probably in the conversation there as well.
Mike Evans and Cortland Sutton go at the turn to the 12 team.
Zay Flowers then Dalvin Cook, Isaiah Pacheco were up in 2
picks. We'll see what the Trevor
Lawrence drafter does here. Looking at the top of the queue
here, you see names like James Connor, Pat Fryermuth, Deshaun,
Watson. Brandy Cooks, Antonio Gibson.
We'll see what comes back to us here in the eighth round as we
have 4 wide receivers, 3 running backs, No quarterbacks, no tight
ends, no kicker, no defense, no Justin Tucker quite yet.
Guys I will say on the just to close at the Pickens thing like
if if one of him or Dotson is just going to like take over the
offense to me it is Pickens. I think that's that's the way
like if I just think he has the higher upside of like because he
can. He can get downfield in a way
that Johnson's just not going to be able to do.
And if he ends up being the number one receiver and their
primary downfield threat and he can separate a bit better as a
second year player which wouldn't be shocking then yeah
he he definitely feels like the bigger swing.
So I'm I'm glad we went that way.
The Chad is just me and Pete talking about options like you
Pat or. Or SHOT has looked at it, but
we're talking about a guy. In that TV because wants to look
at it. So Elijah Moore goes, I was like
running back has been pretty wiped out here.
What are you guys seeing? I like the player you have in
the queue. I do think there's a slight
chance he could come back but probably won't.
And with the build that we have, I think he's the most fun way
the play. I was gonna float Elijah Moore,
but then he does go. You can start looking at Chiefs
receivers in this range. Grudge.
Pat. Any other thoughts?
I don't know who's in the queue. Quinton Johnson.
The man whose name is literally queue is in the queue.
Quinton Johnson. That would be my preference.
Just swing. We're all in.
We're all in lockstep then. Quinton Johnston, John, You
think there's a chance he comes all the way back to 906 years
saying, I think you're crazy? Well, I mean, it's gonna happen
if we passed on in there. I'm seeing in the last day that
he's going at 903. And I mean, you could start to
throw in like, man, that dude, like he dropped so many passes
and. Like he let a couple into his
body. Like he let him get into his
body. You can't.
I mean, you can't take the guy who's gonna his body.
You can't take the guy who's gonna lead the Chargers in
targets if you let some of those targets get into his body.
Come on. Wait, Sean.
Sean, how many players could you guys been reference it?
You guys just did your podcast on projecting the 2024 first two
rounds. How many players have we
selected from those two rounds collectively from you guys?
Well, The funny thing is, yeah, the the my 2000 yard rusher is
the only one who wasn't in that group.
That's why it's Stealth Shot. That's why it's That is why it's
stealthy. It's stealthy.
Yeah, BJ was his two. 12 Wow, yeah.
That's. You're 104 and you're 106 and
neither of those is McCaffrey. Oh man, that's great.
Yeah, where did you, where did you guys, where did you guys
have McCaffrey? Did you have him out late 1st?
Sean might have had him 201. I had him like 111.
OK. Yeah, we were, we both put cup
McCaffrey and Tyreek back-to-back to back.
I think I had a 9/10/11 and he had an 1112. 201, if I remember
right. Well, now that I have an
emotional connection to him that's greater here, I'm going
to move him up with three or four spots.
But yeah I think it's just with that workload split in San
Francisco you get a year older if he does get any Dings which
we hope he doesn't do. And then I mean you're you're
starting to even you know even really good players who have
hung on like I mean Donald Cook is actually a lot better I think
then at least the Vikings realize Alvin Kamara could still
do some things but and and Christian McCaffrey is a lot
better than those guys. I I would love for him to have a
Marshall Faulk type of, I mean, but yeah, you start to get to
that range I think and and one of the things too is that you
put a guy who's kind of a running back and is in that age
range at the 1-2 turn. It's actually a really positive
sign for him in terms of what you think he's going to
accomplish this season for the reasons that, you know, Pat just
mentioned, you know, he might even be a little bit lower on
Austin Eckler right here. I mean Eckler is coming off of
tournament winning season and he's still a little bit tough in
that range. We got a lot of kind of in on on
Dalvin Cook. Is that what you're saying?
Well, if we look at Aaron Rodgers running backs and how
that whole thing could be set and I do have a little bit of
concern about what The Jets might do, but I think it is an
offense that could generate a lot of total EP to the running
backs. And I think that, I mean one of
the things that is interesting I think for Stevenson is that
Elliott could be so bad that it helps Stevenson's volume.
Cook could be so good that it keeps a lot of those drives
going to where The Jets become the scoring machine.
And if you have the guy who's basically now just soaking up
the Carter Knight abandon Canada touches and does it in a very
efficient way. I mean you could see that as a
rising tide kind of lifting all boats within that offense and
and letting those guys score. That being said, I I'm not
comfortable with the price on on Cook.
I think that with him not actually being healthy and being
in all likelihood Reese's back up, this feels a little bit
rich. Yeah, Dalvin Kook goes at 8,
three in this strap. Reese Hall goes at 4/2 after we
took QJ. We get Khalil, Herbert, Sky
Moore, roll the clip, James Connor, Cadarius, Tony and then
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We are on deck here. Our team CMC Jalen Waddell, T
Higgins, Travis ETN, JSN JK Dobbins, George Pickens, Quinton
Johnston. Sean, any thoughts here about
this ninth round pick? Well, among the sort of
positions that we're talking about, I do have a pretty strong
preference for the wide receiver.
And one of the things I kind of pitched to you guys before the
show was that maybe running back paths, we're going to give us
this extreme upside for filling the flex.
And yet this particular draft I think has given us some names
and some guys that in a more traditional and obviously this
isn't A0RB draft, but stylistically there are some
things that we've been able to accomplish that if we do hit the
one more guy here, I think it gives us just massive upside.
Does the name rhyme with smirks? It does with a smirk.
Do we do have an interesting series?
Of considerations. Sorry, no, Gretch, I didn't.
I should have. I should have built some drama,
I mean Gretch, he said. Does it rhyme with smirks?
And Sean said it does. It's over.
If you wanted someone else, you had to speak up before that.
I have like 47 comments in our private chat about this pic and
it just was does it rhyme with smirks?
And then B click yes on 50 seconds left to go.
All right. All right.
That's fine. I think we're going to come back
around to it anyway. We're probably going to go first
no matter what, but you never got to say your.
Piece, he was a key part of the discussion.
So yeah, well, I do think the other guy that we're really
looking at there, I think there's a really strong chance
he comes back. So from that perspective, that
was one of them there. Pat Fryarmuth I think is kind of
the last of a group, but there's some interesting ways to play
tight end later. I don't think we had to go
there, probably would have. Been my third choice.
Talk about Fryarmuth because his guy been drafting a lot.
Sean, you were talking a little bit about Darnell Washington.
I was looking into some of the stuff about Darnell Washington,
who's having an incredible camp. Getting some rave reviews, I
could notice a little bit of trepidation in your voice on
Mondays or Wednesdays. Basketball Breakfast,
specifically about Darnet Washington.
Is that changing the Friarmuth thesis a little bit for you?
It is for me because, you know, and again wrapping in with some
of the notes that the PAT had on him.
But I think the Friarmuth is like the next guy who has that
TJ Hawkinson breakout potential. And yet, you know, maybe the
quarterback play doesn't help you quite as much.
I think for me too, I tend to draft Firemuth.
You know a lot in basketball when I have JSN, and he's the
last way to put that together. I probably don't prefer to play
in maybe as much when I already have a Steelers receiver.
But the other thing that just, you know, again with that
Washington deal is that, I mean, I think he was the guy who
really surprisingly in the draft became a little bit less of a
priority than players who just aren't good or you know, at
least have to outperform their profiles to justify where they
were picked. And I mean, Washington looks
like he's going to be a massive steal for them.
And I don't think that that stopped.
I mean, if Friarmuth is is good, I mean, if he's the next guy to
make the leap, then Washington's not going to be a problem.
But if he's a little bit down, or if the offense does do the
thing where they lean into their running backs who aren't good,
then at this price probably there are other better options.
That's. The exact.
Comp that I've been making like sort of the whole offseason and
that Hawkinson but for Friarmuth to do that sort of requires
Pete. I'm gonna share this yards per
route run look up thing I have. We pull this up really quick
Yeah so this is yards per outrun routes, yards per target,
targets per outrun, the weighted targets per outrun and then on
the far right you have the percentages of like pass
blocking slot wide inline etc. Main thing is Hawkinson is
rookie year. In 2019 lower yards per outrun
had a 19.5% targets per outrun. Literally the same as prior Ms.
rookie season. Similar a dots especially where
Fryman was in the second year at 8.4 and Fryman took a similar
step forward to talk about run. But the big number for Fryermuth
is those routes 395 in his rookie year 435 last year.
Hawkinson last year finally got to 573 routes there his yards
brought run still not same range that fryer moves was in.
Actually Fireman last year's yards brought run better than
all of Hawkinson's career years but you see how it's a really
similar profile from even from the year 1 to year two leap that
Fireman did. Fireman's TV's fell off last
year and that's the thing that could actually bounce back in
his favor. But I think this comp is really
interesting. But I also think you guys are
making a great point of Pat also made a great point in his
article and I moved frying with down a significant tear break in
my rankings after reading Pat's write up about Donna Washington
about the run block snaps because that routes number is
really the key for whether or not frying with can be
Hawkinson. Yeah.
And I'll note that Washington, I believe also fell in the draft
due to some injury concerns that like, I don't know, don't seem
to be a big deal. Now.
You know he's crushing in camp, so you know, it's one of those
things where maybe they were being prudent to discount him a
little bit, but it doesn't. Those, whatever those concerns
were, do not appear to be manifesting with any issues so
far. And he is just a massive dude.
Like he is going to crush as a run blocker.
I think we can we can count on that.
And yeah, my whole article is basically just pointing out
that, you know, the guys who crushes run blockers are usually
out there when they fake the run two and play action snaps and
play action routes more specifically are actually really
valuable for tight ends, especially for touchdown
production. And that's another thing where
you look at Washington E 6/7, he's out there blocking in goal
line sets. Like is it gonna be hammers?
It could be Firemouth who benefits from play action stuff
at the goal line. If he's if he has a meaningful
role, you know, it just starts to make you a little bit
worried. But I still, I still do like
Firemouth. I don't want to be out cuz I
think he he does have that Hawkinson kind of breakout
profile. I agree with that.
So we got a. Lot of running backs come off
the board. We also after frying with you
saw Kincaid and Higbee and Schultz go the running backs.
We saw Charbonnay, Jamal, Williams, Jalen, Warren, Semaj,
P, Ryan, Tank, Bigsby, Rashad, Penny.
We are on deck here. We're going to see what the
Seven Hole does. Definitely some interesting
names here for us depending on how we play it.
We still have no tight ends on our team, every team on the
backside of this board. Has already selected at least
one tight end, Devon. A chain comes off the board I I
had earmarked him. Yeah.
What do you guys think? I kind of like Sean's tight end
at this point. Get our.
First tight end. In the chat, what do you I'm I
would lean quarterback here, but I'm open to the tight end for
sure. There's no reason to do
quarterback here. None.
I've had it. On the chat.
There's no way every single team behind us already has a
quarterback. No one's sniping.
Ohh okay quarterback here is it Sean.
Who do you like here as far as running back or wide receiver or
tight end? Well, I don't think the exciting
tight end comes back, so if we want him, I think we have to
take him. I also just like stacking or
stashing Jamison Williams, but I strongly prefer the tight end.
If you guys are good with that, I strongly prefer the tight end
too. Sean I I don't know what you're
doing with James and Williams, but the camp reports are are
there's never been a player with worse vibes.
In the history of you just, you just talked of George Pickens
vibes and personality and we're going to take James and.
Williams I'm I'm very concerned about the James and Williams
vibes man, like he would have brought down the the the
excitement of this squad. So we don't want the locker room
presence is is what I'm getting here.
Yeah, that's the concern for sure, Yeah.
So Sean, talk about he's not gonna play the rest of preseason
down with the hamstring that came out today.
Like he's not even gonna get reps before he's suspended when
he needed to get some reps in. He's gonna come back.
His coach doesn't think he has terrible hands, right?
So that's not right. So he also only ran him on like
10 routes a game to end the season last year when he.
Let's talk about Sam Laporta. Do Am I the only one?
He has more than one prereception though, right?
Definitely no, actually. The only one who knows how to do
this. Sean, Talk about Sam La Porta.
Well, I mean, La Porta was one of these guys where once you get
into all of that prospect stuff, it was really interesting
because you have someone who you know is productive.
He has some of those, you know, after the catch types of things.
I mean, he's the next guy, right, to be a superstar.
And Dalton Kincaid, because of the Buffalo Bills connection,
has been pushed up. And I'm not saying that that
won't also work out. I mean, you could get multiple
guys from this draft. But, I mean, La Porta is the far
opposite end of the spectrum from the the jokes we've got
going with with Williams here, where the Detroit Lions
absolutely love him. They drafted him because they
think that he's the guy who beats this type of, you know,
evolving defense that you're going to face all year long.
They think that Sam La Porta is basically the defense breaker.
And I mean, Stan LaPorte is also a freak athlete, right?
You've got him training people like George Kittle who are
saying, I mean, like, this guy's unstoppably unbelievable.
Now. I mean some of those quotes you
get from the players are going to be like some of the quotes
you get from me where occasionally there's a tad bit
of hyperbole in there. But there are so many things
that are pointing in the same direction for Stan LaPorte that
you know when you when you have a shot here.
I mean, the thing I'd be concerned about is just you're
taking a rookie tied end for your first tied end.
So you're probably going to have to continue to make some, you
know, build some other contingencies in as you go
along, which isn't the most comfortable thing when we've
already sort of said we don't like the Titans going forward.
But I mean, La Porta, I just he could be so good.
And especially if Williams is not going to factor in all
season. I mean, you're talking about an
offense that's going to be Amman, Rah, La Porta and Gibbs,
and all three of those guys are going to be absolutely electric.
Yeah, how, I mean. To me, it's like once once you
see Higbee and Schultz come off the board, I mean, it's La
Porta. Feels like a slam dunk.
I mean, do you do you think his ADP could rise even more?
I mean, everything out of camp sounds incredible.
There's there's no reason, like, I don't know what's stopping the
La Porta hype at this point. Well, it feels Waller ask in a
sense. It's like, you know, you just
keep hearing like they have a plan to use of this guy a lot
and he's you know with Waller it's I think maybe people kind
of recovering from the injury stuff a little bit.
But also just like the drum beat of this dude's their number one
receiver, you're not hearing that with Laporta, but he is
immediately cemented himself as their starting tight end.
Like to me, like one of the reasons we're worried about
rookie tight ends is that it takes them a while usually to
work into a fulltime role. But if Laport is in a fulltime
role out of the gate, that's very, it's very bullish and I
think people will eventually kind of start to push him up and
start drafting him like he's just starting tight end.
I mean, maybe not a ton more than this, but I don't see any
reason why you couldn't take him ahead of Higbee.
Right. I mean, for sure.
So yeah, that's easy. Outside of How should this Kitty
Kitty? Flipped Kincaid?
And Friar move, I think here's a here's a take.
I think in in managed league like this he probably should
flip Kincaid. Yeah.
I like that he's gonna be an easier.
He's gonna be an easier weekly start.
Thank Kinki. He's gonna be an easier weekly
start this year, yes, separate from my drafts with Pete, I am
up to I think 52 Bbm's and so I'm like a third of the way
there or whatever. It is.
I thought you were going to say 52% Laporta.
Sorry, go ahead. I'm at 37.5.
Is that that's when they were added.
Yeah. Wow.
Jesus, I need to get more Laporta.
Yeah, I've had so much Laporta predraft, I'm at 14, 1/2%
Laporta. So I feel I feel real shame
right now. I need to slide some of my
Dolcich exposure over to yeah, let's let's see a Thunder Dog.
We'll take some trade-ins. I had to slide Dolcich.
Way down my rings. That's I'm getting.
That was a shame. Yeah, this feels like the point
of the show where Shawn makes an impassioned case for Dolcich at.
11. So the pics that we.
Took Laporta gain well, the chat was reacting to now going at 10A
McKinnon 10/9 Dubs Juju. Tyler Boyd ZE Jones Roshan at 11
two Odell 11/3 Taje Spears. A guy we all like at 11 four we
are on deck. We'll see what the gain well
drafter does here Sean. Are you?
Is this you want to build out a Lions bet here?
If he makes it back, well, not now.
I mean, I started to worry that Williams is gonna be dropping
passes for the rest of our guys, so.
I. Mean I I have a I have a rule on
this show. If someone makes a case for a
guy and he comes back, you know, 12 picks later, you take that
guy. That's just.
My. Case for Tua.
We don't have any interest in Jameson.
Will like I have. I couldn't be less interested in
taking Jameson. I love that you were like, don't
talk about him and me and Pat. We're like, we're like, we don't
want him, but like. Good job of it.
Who? Who are you guys worried about
taking to it? The 11th hole there you.
Go. But we're still not taking to it
here, dude. He's past 80P and he's stacked
with our number one wide receiver.
What do you mean past 80P? We've taken to a in two straight
Main Event drafts in the 11th round.
This is where he goes. This isn't past 80P.
This is where he goes literally past 80P.
His 80P is a 10/10 we've. Gotten him twice in the 11th
round. He is the 11th round P.
Hang on the 11th round, Sean. Tell the people that.
But there's a better pick. Well, he's the only guy
currently in the queue. I the the players that I would
push for here over him, I think can be drafted later.
And I do actually think that to just separate from a DP is the
most undervalued quarterback by a country mile.
So I guess I would probably prefer not to risk the guy who
doesn't have a QB taking it. Now we have 100% exposure to to
A and made it so right concussions and it's fair I'm.
I'm not afraid of concussions. I legit think we could have
gotten him at 12, seven, full stop.
I mean, who's taking? But like I don't know the
opportunity cost wasn't like what What do we pass up to no
one else. I'm Damian Harris is the next
best running back on my board. Did you want me to do another
Damian Harris? There.
Well, your board is a lot different than everyone else's
board who doesn't have Damian Harris there.
I I honestly would have rather have taken Dulcic or Algier or I
I I legit think you can push quarterbacks in these rooms.
Like, look at the board here, the day flowers.
Yeah, we did. We did.
There's some 5 rounds. Behind you guys are acting like
this is after ADP. We've gotten to it in two main
events at this exact same spot. This is where he goes.
We've gotten him. I mean, ADP is like literally a
thing. And it's ADP is in the 10th of
Half I. Don't know what.
When you're saying listen to this, what are you actually
saying? Cuz he he has a.
Tender thing. We don't want him stacked with
Waddle yet. This is our first ball.
Are you saying that the two drafts that we got are more
powerful signal than the average of all drafts?
Because that's fucking nuts. The tyre kill drafter is behind
us. There is no candidate, Pat.
How many drafts have you done on Underdog where Tua falls because
people do not want to take Tua on?
Yeah, but no one is taking. We have Waddle in the the Hill
drafter is behind us. It's not happening.
There's one team on the board who doesn't have a QV.
I would have probably right that we could.
I know, yeah, Tua in the 12th round, but there's no one that
was even floated That like makes it move a little.
Like I don't, I don't even two players.
What's the point? I know, but I I I'm not.
I don't know. It just felt like it feels to me
like you're getting cute a little bit.
If you're saying the room can't do something stupid and you're
doing it to facilitate something you're not even that excited
about, where it's just like, hey, you know, at this point,
guys 10 picks after ADP or whatever, let's grab them and
stack them up and and that's a nice pick for us.
And I don't know, the guy we get next round will probably be
pretty similar to the guy we could have gotten instead.
I do think running back gets wiped out here really quickly
and and I I that's the one I don't I don't see the Dolcech
one he's got to have fallen into a tear that stretches back for
rounds but I I think you're you can make a case that we could
have went running back. I think I'll agree with that.
Damon Harris was there. I mean, we're all, we're all
looking for the guy who won the. Dragon Harris I I am, yeah.
I think there's something to that argument, but we're so
strong at running back. I'm just it's like let's just.
The Here, I'll give you guys one here.
So the team from the 10 hole took Dak Prescott, so he
definitely could have gone. But I also think we could have
pushed it. We could have pushed it and I'd
have been down to push it if that guy has three receivers, 6
running backs, It just took his QP too.
Yeah, let's keep him. You can push it in these rooms,
but also you get you get crazy stuff in these rooms.
Yeah, it just would have really stung in my mind if we lost him
for something. Then we're like, I don't even
give a shit that we took that guy.
I will say this, though, the the guy who takes, Here's another
quarterback. The guy who takes Zach Prescott
as his second QB with three wide receivers.
He thinks that two is getting a cussion in week two and is never
He's out. He thinks he's not tough enough.
For sure he. Thinks the concussions are a
sign of of like his weakness as a human being.
Exactly. I I do agree with you that it
was it was flat like I I wish I had someone to run to the podium
just so I didn't have that guy. I get.
I get if you had that guy, then I would have felt sick to my
stomach, but we'd probably just take that guy.
Well, because in our slow main event draft that we're doing
with the slow Bros, Jalen Warren almost made it and we were in a
similar spot where we had Tyree kill.
And I was going to push for Jalen Warren over 2 in that
spot. Jalen Warren goes one pick
before we didn't have a Jalen Warren pick here so.
Right, right. That's the key, I think.
Yeah, I would say that if there, if there was a guy, Rashi Rice
would probably be it for me. I was hoping that he would come
back to us for the 12th round there.
I yeah, I do think he would be a lot more expensive if Sky Moore
hadn't busted last year. They're different.
He's, I mean he's like this discount Quinton Johnston and
that would be fun with Patrick Mahomes.
So I think that was a good pick by the drafter there at the
turn. Let's recap this team through 11
rounds. So we got our running backs are
CMC Travisy, TN and JK Dobbins, our wide receivers Jalen
Waddell, T Higgins, JSN George Pickens, Quinton Johnson
trailing Burks. And then we just grabbed our
first tight end, Sam La Porta and our first quarterback to
here. Still loving this team though.
Casey Brink likes it. This draft is fire.
These guys know Ball. Casey Brink didn't say that, but
I was just imagining. That that's what he means.
He. Doesn't really mean.
Yeah, I'm a little mad he didn't say that now.
Sean, Sean, let me ask you a question.
Do you know Ball? I no, We have a lot of moments
we need to, you know, it's been a couple years since we've
updated the ship chasing reel and there's a couple moments we
need to bookmark tonight. I used to try to get Shawn to
say he's a piss point. Now I just trying to get him to
say he knows Paul. Holy shit.
Excuse me? Wow, we're getting a gretch burp
now. We're really cooking, Damien
Harris went. I It was, you know, I was.
Porn Porn run out for Damien? Harris Gretch wrote 6000 words
in our private chat about Damon Harris and now he's off.
I doesn't want to remember. All right.
We That's the guy I actually put in our private chat was Moster
I'm. Just, yeah, Moster comes off
with porn. UI Mitchell, Gerald Everett,
Damien Harris, Amir White, Raheem Moster at the start of
this 12th round here. What do you think, Sean?
Well, I know that there have not been a lot of positive
developments for the guy that a lot of us thought was the
probably the 4th best wide receiver prospect in this draft,
but. With.
Being fairly set at some of these positions, he would be
kind of interesting here as a look.
Toward a little bit later in the season, setting up some of those
kinds of possibilities, there is a running back here who I think
is really talented and has managed to like do everything
weird possible to like knock down his value.
He would be somebody that I think, you know, again, kind of
pointing toward the second-half of the season, even though a lot
of people were hoping that he could do something early.
I mean, those are kind of the two guys I'm probably most fired
up about. We kind of those fun picks.
Let me put all suit in the back. There's, I mean the tight end
you floated last time is here, right, Pete?
Dolce. Yeah, he is, but.
Yeah, he's here. Oh yeah.
I like the receiver. The receiver, I'm, I'm, I'm good
with the receiver because receiver's gonna dry up after
this pick. Yeah, it is probably our last
we're talking. About Marvin Mims, right?
Yeah, I I mean, I'm good with Marvin Mims.
I just want to say, you know, we were supposed to take Dulce's
over to. Anything.
So I mean, I, I'm. I'm Mims.
Here we. Don't you don't?
Acknowledge that it was flat otherwise, all right.
This is why This is why. This is why I'm hot.
I'm hot cuz I'm. Flat you ain't, cuz you.
This is why we This is why we This is why we are.
This is why this. Is Why We Hot Remix.
I've never heard that one. What I like about that clip?
My favorite part. Is when Mims is like run over
the middle field and he gets like tackled by like this
shoestring angle tackle bullshit that he should not get tackled
by. But then he gets up and does
this like really sweet celebration and I'm like, I'm
back in. As Andrew says, rest in peace to
all of your Mims shares. That's the Mims mush.
The Mims. Mush.
The Mims Mush. We've done Mims.
We got a Mims clip. From the crew who has mushed.
I had not seen that clip before. I love it.
We. Sent that in.
Yeah, we bushed Sky bar and now we will Bush bar Fitbits.
Did Pete, did you make that or did someone else make that?
No, I believe Chris, was that you?
I'm pretty sure it was. Chris.
Chris, I apologize. There's been a lot of people.
I've worked. With on clips.
Sean, were you talking about Kendra and Miller as the running
back? I was, but I I I'm still like
processing that clip. And I really like Texas.
Back end defense there. It was Phil.
That's how you know. My bad Phil.
Phil I worked. I worked with Chris on another
clip. Look at that.
I That clip just got Sue Ann to become a YouTube.
We're, we're we're doing good things around here.
Awesome job. Phil I thought we could push
Kendra I I've seen him. Uh Goes latest 1310.
And and and took him at 1310 just earlier this week.
So. A little bit.
Surprised to see him go there, honestly, because I see him
going to the 13th round multiple times, but yeah, he did go right
after. We're getting, we're getting a
little. Thin at running back, but the
Chad pointed out a little bit ago, we do have three 2000 yard
rushers on our team, so. We don't, actually.
Need to worry too much? Yeah.
It is funny. That was fun.
It was and we set out to do a robust running back draft and
and now we're all like, man, these running backs are flying
off the board feeling a little naked here at running back.
Well, it reminds me a little bit of the NFC draft that we did
with Leonie. I mean and that's that was only
two guys like, I don't know, the upside that we have at running
back is pretty ridiculous. I mean, we've got McCaffrey
going for 2000 total yards. Dobbins is going for 2000 yards.
On the ground, how many yards do we have from ETN?
His coach says 1700, so just boost that by a couple.
I mean he's gonna catch some passes too, right?
So that's right. So he's there's another 2000
total yards. So.
Why didn't we drop Dobbins ahead of ETN if Dobbins is going for
2000 and Etn's going for 1700? Dude.
I'd also like to say that since we have 3 running backs, we
could be done at the position. I think.
I think we could too, yeah. That sounds really fun.
I. Did.
Yeah, I'm always in to get weird.
So after we take Mims, Jeff Wilson goes Kendra Miller goes
Devin Singletary Chig, Alan Lazard, the Watson drafter adds
Kirk Cousins to complete his stack with Justin Jefferson.
And we are staring down our 13th round of pick here.
Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of. Options at one position,
especially if we don't care to take anymore running backs.
I'm not doing a great job of hiding the position I'm talking
about. Yeah, right.
On Ford with your own Ford. Yeah, I mean, he's hurt right
now, but it's hurt and I don't, it sounds like he's iffy for
Week 1, which I guess he's kind of, well, four Nets out there,
right? So that would be the the
concern. One of the things that you had
written about Ben and I hadn't necessarily seen, but I have
seen in some other, has at least been referenced in some other
places as I tried to confirm that sense is this idea that I
mean Ford is really locked in to that to spot, at least according
to the people reporting on the Browns and.
I just talked. About it on the.
Broadcast you're you're referencing my preseason
stealing signals. And I I heard on the broadcast
they were talking about it like it was very, very clear there
held him out this before he got her in practice.
But they held him out because he's very locked in there and
the battle is for the number three job.
I mean, and that was. They absolutely love him.
And I mean there's standalone value plus there's contingent
value and hopefully we would never need to use this
standalone value with the guys that we have.
But he is an interesting pick, I think, at this price.
Ty Chandler Goes Is Jerome Ford the pick here, guys?
It's that or it's. You're tight.
You don't take dolsage at this point.
That was the other I was gonna be like at this price.
Sean Weary, Are you Uber spooked on Dolcich where he's not a
value here? Well, my exposures are so and
they're high enough that I am now not adding, but at this
price it's a little bit ridiculous.
Not ridiculous, but just I don't even think he has to be a guy
who runs a ton of routes. If they are willing to play him
at this price helps you, right? And it helps us if we have a
rookie tight end as our top guy. Like, I don't know, I think he
can kind of like I don't like be kind of a bust and so help us.
Also, the guy who is in theory playing ahead of him is not good
and at some point you would expect the team to move in a
different direction. Yeah, I think that's.
I'm definitely down. I was down for Dolcech earlier,
so you guys wanna do it? Yeah, yeah, all.
Right. Let's do it.
You wanted to push two or we wanted to push Dolcech.
Hey, there we go. Both of us were right.
Roll it. Wait.
Oh shit, You're right. God I'm.
Oh my God, look at that hair. Oh my God.
It's so beautiful.
That's all. The crap he's like feels like
awkward. He.
Feels really awkward. He's like, why's this guy
talking about my hair? Just trying to meet my fucking.
Coach. Well.
If we want to take JJ Taylor, we can complete the triumph, right?
By the way, like, Dulcage look like a you know, we got our
clip, everything's looking good. And then sure enough he's he's
benched for Adam Krautman. Yeah, we mushed him.
It was a that's right. It was a sneaky mush that time.
Sneaky mush. Right the David.
Bell one was the worst. Cuz that's That's an incredible
clip. And we didn't we?
Only got to play it like five times and he's just gone.
He's. I know, man.
Have you guys ever thought about, like, streaming some
baseball? David Bell's A cautionary tale
of these players we fall in love with.
Then you're like, man, he could, he could just be the Jarvis
Landry on the Browns. Let's make a clip for him.
Next thing you know is out of our. 2023 Jarvis Landry.
Yeah. Exactly.
Oh man. Jerome Ford does go off the
board to Team 9. Here some interesting
constructions. Team 10 takes their 4th.
Wide receiver in the 13th round with KJ Osbourne.
Don't laugh, Gretch. Try the way he said it was so.
Good it's like. A funny.
With KJ Osbourne, just dead, man.
Don't laugh. I have.
You know what? You know, sometimes I don't
like, want to talk about. Picks that we might make.
I've never seen like the fantasy community on Puka like this Puka
shit is out of control. Everyone loves.
Especially, we have yet, I believe, to mention this dude's
name on the show. They want a clip for him.
Dude, the puka slappies are just.
Out of control. Right now, if you are gonna make
a I want to get some puka shells in the clip, but you're gonna
remember the puka shell fad. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, it. I will give it to you.
Like the Saints signed Jimmy Graham as a bit.
Every best ball chat has Puka as a bit like everyone needs their
bit. I like it.
Was the puka shell and the gel, remember?
Like the gel down, like combed out hair?
Yeah, the 90s, man. What were we?
What were we doing? Luckily, I never did either of
those things. My hair was too.
Yeah. Too too frizzy?
Why? Why?
Why would anyone take Puco when 22 Atwell is still on the board?
Right, Sean. I I think he's pretty good.
It'll be. You're breaking your own rules
here, bud. I mean, I still have people
telling me that Van Jefferson is going to have a rubber like a
Peak Rubber Woods Year too, which I think also crazy is.
That a compliment? A peek.
Woods here. It is for Van Jefferson, it is
Now who are those people? Are the people you respect and
trust or people that you're making fun of?
I could I you're so deadpan here.
I'm actually not sure what you're saying.
It just one of the things I do think is a little bit
interesting and you know, would have been potentially a
discussion if we had gotten cup instead and then hadn't gotten,
you know, fantastic value. On two, I just like if you get
into big trouble, would you feel comfortable with Matthew
Stafford going back to 2021 if like these guys who are buzzy
late at a little bit, right. I mean, I don't think that
there's any way they could come through one with the buzzes.
But if they would add something, does that make Stafford with cup
more interesting than you know, look last year where everything
was, you know, pretty traumatic I think.
So I think, I mean, I take them at best ball I think.
I think he has some upside. I think his weekly upside like
in a couple different ways like either the weapons come on or
he, you know he's just on the team is bad enough to where they
have to Chuck it and his his elbow is is a bit healthier and
then he has job security. So I take him, I mean I guess he
could just like reinjure the elbow and he's old so he's not
like the safest guy in the world.
But I I've been, I've been betting on him a decent amount
in best ball. We got our first defense off the
board of Philadelphia defense. We also see Tank, Del.
Randala, Moore, Gino Smith. We're about to pick in the 14th
round here. We got one quarterback.
We got 3 running backs, 2 tight ends.
One quarterback and 12347 wide receivers, Chase Brown comes off
the board. What are you guys thinking here?
I put a couple names in the chat I don't know about.
The chat one. Or well, I think the guy that
you've mentioned and probably gets through a.
Round or two? OK, that's what I was wondering.
Yeah, So what about the first name?
I said. Is that a guy that's interesting
to anyone? It doesn't, yeah.
It's not really interesting to me and just kind of a value at
this point. He's mildly interesting to me.
I mean, yeah, so we could we. Could talk about Deontay
Foreman, cuz he's not coming back.
He's the top of the running back.
Cue Jack's. Pounding the table for another
clip. I don't They want Justin Tucker.
Yeah, they want Tucker. Yeah, let's let's relax on
Justin Tucker. Just honestly, I mean, Foreman
does almost seem like the last viable running back, so I kind
of like him as our RBC. If that makes sense.
Do you have any real, like, reason to not take him?
Shawn, is there a running back that is like no I-17 spots lower
that you just absolutely love and would smash over Deontay?
Foreman? No.
I was gonna mention Chase Brown. I There are guys who go
undrafted that I think are interesting, but Foreman is the
last guy who's getting drafted who I think is Draft A.
But he's the he's the last guy I think who's well, I knew there
was guys. That are not getting drafted.
That you were probably willing to take over to you on day four.
But I mean, there are players who I think are not going, who
will end up being interesting waiver wire ads.
I mean, obviously that always happens.
I think you could put in there in Round 20.
But of the guys who are being drafted right now, I think the
foreman is the last person who is just even rosterable right
now. Yeah, yeah, got.
It, I mean looking at the names after.
So we take Foreman here in the 14th round just at the top of
the queue by ADP. You're looking at Kareem Hunt,
Gus Edwards, Leonard Fournette Ceh Joshua Kelly Duce Vaughn
Kyron Williams, Dineric Prince, Chase Edmonds.
I mean it's it's the bottom of the barrel.
Quarter Old Patterson's down there somewhere.
Keep going. Didn't he get hurt?
Didn't he banged up now? It does have a key.
Next to him, yeah, it's the the quarter old Patterson.
Dream is probably gonna die pretty quick.
I don't know why it was ever intrigued.
You were so in. You were so in.
You convinced me. Don't do not.
I mean, I like they got. Mack Hollins is their wide
receiver, too. Like the whole thing was he's
gonna play wide receiver and now he's like banged up and it's
like, Oh yeah, he's fucking old. Me.
You knew that before? I know, I know before.
It's just as soon. As he got banged up, I realized
it more clearly. Here you go, Sean.
Ryan's giving you the idea for your next article.
These undrafted players are the best pick in the 13th round.
It's an article by Sean. I would read the hell out of.
That's. A really good article.
That's, I mean that has the perfect title.
I almost want you to go right that now you literally have to
have that up on rotovis in the next couple of days like I don't
know how you don't that that's that's pretty clicky.
I'll, I'll deliver on that. Yeah.
Yeah, the The only thing you need to change Sean, is some of
the Youtubers now will do this thing where they'll say like the
five players, you're idiot league mates aren't drafting
that. That's the only other part you
need to add to that. But you would never call your
league mates idiot, so that's probably not part of your brand.
That doesn't feel like a Sean, a Sean title to me.
Yeah, you can. You can just like insinuate it a
little bit of like the people who are still watching Netflix
or. Shawn, yeah.
What? What shows?
What shows are you watching? Still watching Netflix?
Hey, man, drive to survive. It's good, OK?
I I still watch Netflix? What's wrong with those?
I will give, I'll give it to Shawn.
Definitely gotten worse. There's nothing on.
There I don't. Really go on there anymore.
Everything's on Apple TV, HBO, Hulu, Now, Netflix.
Is. Yeah, Sean, what's the show
right now? How do you say that I have?
Not watched a show on Netflix in a Really cuz all the.
Recent shows have in all those other places beat well.
They also cancel there. Like there's a couple shows that
people who did dark did another show.
It was like even more intense and that seems like something
you'd be into. Sean, did you watch that show?
What was the more intense 1? 1898, I think it was called.
Yeah, I started watching it and I was just like, this is too
much it. Was like real intense.
But then they canceled it after one season.
And it's like, it's like a dark level.
It's gonna be three seasons and they were gonna do the whole
thing where it gets crazier and crazier and crazier.
Is that the one on the boat? Yeah.
But then there, if you think space is not involved, you're
wrong. So it got they cancelled that.
Yeah, I did watch that. Season, Yeah.
Oh man. Yeah, it really pissed me off.
I'm like, you can't, don't. Yeah, I need to know what the
fuck was going on. And now also the space thing at
the end of the season was pretty cheap.
It was like, this is, I mean, well, I also, there's no way
that that was they weren't in there.
There was going to be another thing above space, right.
Right. There was layers.
Yeah. But I wanted to know what.
The hell was happening. And now I'm mad that I never
will. It was kind of.
I thought it was a little bit of a rug poll.
It was like it was intriguing. Throughout the series.
And then it just got like a little crazier and crazier and
crazier. And then they're like, oh, it
was all a dream, you know, like that was the plot line.
It's, it's a simulation sort sort of thing is going on there,
right? Yeah.
The listeners gotta love us, just like.
Deep diving. Into a.
Cancelled Netflix. Spoiler alert, you're never.
Gonna see what? Yeah, we.
Don't, I don't think. We have to do spoil alerts
because right, it's dead. Yeah, it's dead.
All right, we're about to Oh, my hunter got cancelled that.
Wasn't that was a great show now, yeah.
My hunter was. Justin Ross comes off the board
we. Don't get to roll that clip
about to pick in the 15th round. Here we have a Justin Ross clip.
We do. We do.
We got clips for half the NFL now.
Isaiah likely comes off the board.
We got some Ave. Maria, Jared Goff, a couple guys
in the queue. What do you guys think?
Can we talk about the guys in the queue yet or are we trying
to push them? I think we take the dude that I
mentioned. In the chat before too.
Long because me, I know. Prank it.
Both Pat and Shawn love him and I think we got to get him on
this team. I don't even like him that much.
I would love to take him. Yeah.
Let's Shawn Michael Mayer. Yeah, I mean his his ADP is
still. Another round and 1/2.
But. I don't think you can count on.
That at this range and he is a really good fit with this
particular team. One of the things we had
discussed a little bit beforehand was this idea of if
we don't get to. And you, you know you.
Can get. Your quarterback pulled.
From you in these formats, especially if you pull it like
we wanted to do, then we could load up on some a variety of
late Q B's. I don't know if that is as
necessary now, even though obviously too it has some
pretty. I actually think it the injury
risk is more or less pretty similar to every other
quarterback. But you could say that maybe
there's more extreme injury risk Even with that.
I I don't know that we necessarily need to go that
route. And without being the case, I
mean the two guys here that I liked, I I wouldn't have anybody
in between. So I don't think there's any
like need to push them down. And Mayor gives you that other
option where I I think there are some good ways to look for tight
ends who might have the right type of role to, you know, get
you across. And we see some of those guys
going from 12 to 14. I think that Mayor is another
player who just is simply so good, even though he doesn't
have the athleticism of a la Porta.
And again you you kind of look at what the team is trying to
do. And the Raiders want to build
this very new identity around Jimmy Carpolo and the new
weapons that they brought in that may or may not work.
And yet Mayor has a chance to be a breakout.
And I'm always wanting to kind of stack breakout options at
tight end with the idea that. Maybe we do hit even if the odds
aren't great for us. Because when we're talking about
not just winning our league, which I think our team is set up
nicely to do. Even if you don't get great
tight end production. When then you start going and
facing the truly awesome teams in the big race, when you're
going to be looking for not just somebody who gets you through,
but that at least chance at the big points.
And I think that Dolce gives us that too, because.
You know, the other guy's there, you know, probably if Greg
Dolsich is who we think he is, those other people are going to
fade away. And so we've got three shots at
it now and you're starting to give yourself a real chance,
even if the the shot for each one of them is a little bit
thin. You know, it's starting to build
up to where I really like where we are.
Yeah, I'm really excited to add Hunter Henry to this.
John and I would go back and forth on this.
He really likes. Just taking a bunch of those
shot. Plays that he was describing.
I really like to get one of the boring guys like Hunter Henry
into the mix. He.
Does go? You just go saved from the
hunter. Henry I think Hunter Henry's a
fine. Pick He's just, you know, not
quite as high upside as mayor for sure, yeah.
Is the 10 hole not? Taking tight ends.
Are they on a tight end? Fast.
The 10 hole has not taken a tight end.
They've barely taken wide receivers. 3 quarterbacks, 3
quarterbacks. Yep, this is not taking.
Receivers we can. We can.
Confirm that it's a Damian. Harris before their wide
receiver four, he was their running back seven.
I mean, they know how to pick running backs, but besides that?
And Alexander. Madison drafter, and he took
Damian. This is not good for the Damian
Harris brand. Can I?
Can I see the team name again real quick?
The team name is oh, he took Mix and two TaylorMade.
So this guy's name is. Taylor and he names his team.
TaylorMade Mix and Harris, Madison, Dalvin Cook.
And he. Took Damian Harris.
I mean, those are, I don't think I've taken those five running.
Backs, I don't think. I've taken them five times and
all the drafts I've done combined David Hairs.
There you go. That guy knows Paul JJ
TaylorMade. There it is.
There we go. There it is.
It's JJ Taylor. Roll the clip.
Should we roll the clip for this guy?
If he take if. Someone takes JJ Taylor.
I will. Roll the clip.
Don't tempt me with There We Go. Yeah, Conklin goes here.
All right, Shawn's got another upside.
Tight end. He.
Mentioned to us. Earlier in our our.
Chats he he referenced. Another upside tight end that
could be a tight end for here. Do we, do we want to go, you
remind? Me of who was.
Yeah. Do we want to go completely do?
We want to just go one. QB or.
Do we want to one of the things that I like the idea you if.
The Q is what you're. Floating I like yes.
I because I like the setup. I like what the Q is.
Yeah, go ahead, Sean. Well it's it's may seem really
strange but I. Do.
I'm very comfortable. With either 1QB, if you're going
to start that QB and then you're going to, you know, add in if
you run into an injury or as many as four I talked about
earlier. But there there is a player here
who again we're talking about how do you win?
The tournament that I think becomes kind of interesting.
Can you put him in the chat? Somebody.
Then you you have this player italicized in your rankings, are
you? I don't know who it is I put in
the chat, in the chat. That's fine.
Together made a. Fool out of you.
He did a little bit. He took Compton right after.
We made fun of him for not taking tight ends.
Jalen Hyde goes off the board who is also a guy we had put in
the queue here. Dawson Knox comes off the board
and then Richie James. Yeah, I like, can we?
Speak freely. Yes, yeah.
Go go. For permission taking, taking
Tyler makes a ton of sense. Ton of sense for this team.
He feels like a great backstop with Tua if you're going to play
for that upside and we're. Probably going to only do two
Qb's here, Gresh. Yes, you have someone else you
like? Do.
Yeah. I say go for it a couple times.
Yep, I do have. Italicize as a fade in my
rankings. I mean mostly thinking for my
subscribers that are playing in like in a lot of like home
leagues and things like that. I do think there's like a
potential fool's gold element to it that I my immediate response
this offseason was ohh, I mean the only cheap upside candidate
here. It used to be a top five
quarterback like. This is amazing, but I do think
there's. Concern that he.
Won't run as much when he. Comes back and all those things.
But Shawn's got me a little more excited.
He's talking about some camp buzz.
I'll probably italicize and move him up a little bit at some
point. We'll turn him off off the fate.
But yeah, when you're talking about a deeper.
Format like this particularly, yeah.
I mean, it's a different ball game.
The ranks are tough. It's.
Tough to make it perfect. But yeah, I mean, I totally
understand the merit of taking him here.
Yeah. So we do add Kyler.
As our second QB. Go ahead, Chad is killing us
here because you're saying from a vibes.
Based perspective Kyler was not a good addition to this team.
Wait, we're We're worried about vibes?
Yeah. What's wrong with?
Kyler's Vibes Kyler Yeah. What's wrong with Kyler's chills
and plays Cod? It was what's he doing today?
Just chill, Person here says person, Person says.
Playing video games. Kyler's gonna quit football and
stream. Well man, just let him live his
life bro. Well, I don't too acquits like.
He's playing on streaming Call of Duty cuz that problem for
this team. When too acquits football, we're
gonna be streaming quarterback. So you know Kyler will come in
handy then. Yeah, Schefter.
Kyler might not even play. Schefter just reported about
this. Can you link?
That Schefter report where Kyler's gonna quit playing?
Well, I'm gonna go to fieldtwitter.com.
Oops. Where did my drop board go here,
Sean, how much kicker and defense research have you done?
I always, I always put that. Last and but I usually forget to
do it until I've done. Most of my main events.
And then it's too late. Yeah, it sounds familiar.
Around here I'm scrolling through Schefter's.
Twitter account retweeted. Seattle Seahawks account
retweeted. New York Jets talking about
raising money for Hawaii shirts. Chargers meme.
Joe Mixon being found guilty. I'm I'm, I'm struggling.
The last time he tweeted about Kyler was on July 30th.
And let me just check Murray. The last time you tweeted the
word Murray. Was also July 30th.
So wow, bullshit on this, On this guy.
Yeah, man. And to think that I take all of
the chats words as gospel and this is really shattered my
faith in the chat, knowing what they're talking about get you,
get yourself an order chat. You mean I what I like about the
chat? Is there's usually some self
policing in in the chat and yeah yeah fix fix your priors, all
right we are about to be on the clock here in the. 17th I got a
table the pound in the 17th round.
You ready for this? Pound it away.
I'm ready. I hope it's what you guys want
to do too. I do too.
That's such a polite table pounding.
I hope you also like what I want.
I mean, we gotta stack up. We gotta stack this pitch up.
We definitely gonna stack this pitch up.
Yeah, yeah, exactly. With with.
Great, Dortch, right. We're all on the same page with
Great Dortch is what you're saying, right?
Yes, May I # gentlemen, Yes, we, we, we.
Any objections to one Mr. Trey McBride here?
No objections, Your Honor. Sean, Any objections?
Your Honor, He also factors. In fairly high on my.
Exposure Leaderboard, which is not good, but I'm I'm in favor
of it right here John. Don't use that all made.
Event. Draft to balance your exposures.
It's not good. We're gonna take a beak.
On him, we didn't have the four QB.
But we did get the four tight. And they're all fun.
Have we done a true crank purple with Sean before?
I don't. Think so.
I don't know. Yeah, this is this is a.
It's almost like a a. Stream swap with crack.
Rock here, We gotta go 0. Running back with crack rock.
It's a very Sean tight end room which I'm I'm I'm always trying
to make him draft like Dawson Knox and Hunter Henry and stuff
when we draft together. So I'm I'm glad he got to play
the hits here. This is a fun one.
It's fun when you. You try and find some
information on Trey McBride and it's all about like how he's and
somehow this doesn't factor in Zacharitz, who I guess it's not
around, I don't know, but like. He's now the.
Leader in the tight end room. Like you've got a guy who's the
leader in your like offensive room, who's got like 3NFL
receptions, so, but you like him.
Well, Trinity Pride was again a very good.
College player. He is incredibly athletic and so
if you're going to bet on that kind of second year leap at the
tight end position, you want to do it for a player who has some
of that past production is extremely athletic, was a
priority for the team before everything changed and isn't
A-Team where I mean, there's some buzz from Michael Wilson,
but. The Cardinals need a guy who
could go out there and add some dynamism to their roster who's
not like a, you know, a pure lottery ticket.
Kind of. Player and I'm not.
Even necessarily saying that Trey McBride is that guy.
I mean, certainly in fantasy he's looked at as a lottery
ticket, but I think there's some under the radar enthusiasm about
him. And again, I mean, you look back
to the one big game he did have and we're talking about a tight
end where the expectations are slightly different.
He just, he was, he was incredible in that game and when
it comes, you know, down the stretch, I think that does give
you a little bit of enthusiasm carrying over because obviously
there are a lot of things that were dysfunctional about the
Cardinals last season to where we can.
You know, if you want to make a case for someone who is in the
17th round and isn't going to cost you in redraft now in my
best ball leagues in May. But you know, this is the good
kind of bet to make. Sean, are you sad to see Kenny
Pickett and Sam Howell come off the board and not be on our
team? I know it.
It is too bad because. Pal was saying, I mean every
time that that. You know we have our little
chats and and Pat's like I I'm getting this little vibe that,
you know, like he might, he might do it, he might be that
fun. That's not the whole thing.
Usually it's like he's going to get himself benched because he's
fun. But I mean, Sam Howell is fun.
So Sam Howell is like I I actually am kind of disappointed
we haven't taken him yet in a main event because that is the
format. I think you take Sam Howell in.
Like I've been very skittish of taking Sam Howell in best ball,
but like it that is a fear based take.
Like I think he's going to be fun.
I worry how much that fun lasts. You know how long we have of it.
But if you want to punt court, like if we didn't take Tua and
we took like Kyler and then Howell.
And then probably a third quarterback after that.
I mean, I could, I could see that working.
You know, I think he's gonna be chucking them.
I think he's gonna be chucking the ball downfield and he's got
good weapons and he runs a little bit, so could work.
Should we add the other? Biggest like injury.
Uncertainty Guy to the two of Kyler mix and and stack up our
first round pick No. Is that what you're saying?
Uh, I'm not sure. I'm saying brought Purdy, which
I don't even mind to say because I don't actually like.
It that much but. Oh, I thought you were saying
Lance for a second. I was like I love and remember
who was our first round. Concussions Kyler with the knee,
Purdy with the. Elbow.
Are all guys that I think have been held down all offseason.
By like fear of injuries. And it would just be a really
funny three quarterback staff, yeah.
We don't know who's going to be healthy, but we're just going to
throw them all out there. No, I guess I'd be open to that.
We got one more pick right before.
Kickers and defense here. Running back absolutely wiped.
I guess a couple tied in names if you squint wide receiver, a
couple names we got in the. Queue who could be fun.
We could just go kick her and D. And like lock up decent options.
But I was going to say where. Where is everybody?
On that in terms of, you know, do we want to?
Get a kicker in a high scoring offense or that isn't isn't a
big priority. No, let's do it.
I I think we, I think we could. Punt our last pick until the
19th or 20th or sorry our our last non kicker defense pick.
I floated a guy in the private chat.
Which, yeah. You know, I think will be also
shout out to. Stephanie, who's going to be?
Helping us with our waivers. This year, who loves the idea of
us getting a decent kicker defense?
Yes, Stephanie will. Maybe we'll.
We'll toss you a bone, I I told her.
She didn't read the fine print, which is us lazily selecting our
kicker in defense in the 19th and 20th round of every single
track. I mean, we got McPherson sitting
there. Let me.
Let me make. A Case for Michael Wilson as a.
Starter. On the team where we just
drafted Kyler and double stacks that bitch up for us, you gonna
make the case or you gonna say? You're gonna make the case he's
he's athletic. And stacked.
He's athletic. Stacked and starting.
That's the. That's the.
Whole case Can he kick your farts out of McPherson?
He cannot. But he plays a better position.
Sean. Evan McPherson or Michael?
Wilson or different kicker? Pat, what are the chances that
Wilson comes? Back around I I.
Have a I do have some guys I like better at the positions
left, but I also think they may not even get picked up in free
agency in leak one, in which case, you know you're not using
that roster spot very effectively for the first
weekend. So do you like McPherson?
Yeah, I mean it. They're gonna score a ton.
And he's got a massive leg. And so, I mean, it probably
doesn't matter, but well. When T Higgins falls down on the
one we are gonna love all of these vehicles I do like.
So here's where the two cases just just for the record, cuz.
You know, I think this is helpful for the debaters out
there. OK, I went with.
I went with athletic, stacked and starting.
And Shawn went with they're gonna score a ton of points and
has a massive leg. And that argument won the day.
So just take notes. Do with that information what
you will. Yeah, I mean, he kicks hard,
bro. He kicks.
I mean, Pat, do you even know kickers, bro?
Do you know? Bob, I don't.
I don't know. I truly don't know.
Kicking. I don't know.
I think we got to steal there. I think that was some biweek
slappies. These guys are afraid of his
Week 7 bi and they're having McPherson fully kicker 5I mean,
oh, you just reminded me I'm supposed to look at biweeks.
We're pretty evenly distributed. On our biweeks, I will say La
Porter and Dulcich both in week 9.
Good thing we got Michael Mayer and Trey McBride.
We cranked it purple to cover it.
They're talking about the chasing kickers.
Club that was the most kickers. Analysis you're getting out of.
Me this whole year. No, you're right.
You're right. We did Chase.
Kickers, kicker chasing. It's the show where we chase the
best kickers, the kickers that help you win championships, the
biggest legs, the breaking news. It's everything you've come to
love and know. The time is now for kicker.
Let's get some fucking kickers. Yeah, that.
Didn't make fear sense. I love the way that kicker is
just plastered off. Like a child today.
Like kicker child. Hey, I've made this.
This is back before I. Outsourced clips to the.
Audience and then sent them through a rigorous editing
process, but I mean if you're giving part.
Of the bit that it's like. We're just slapping.
Kicker over this and Jason's a fucking kicker.
It is amazing, Pete. You're like, I mean, it is
amazing. Right, like.
Apparently in everything, you first create and then you go
into the director phase, just give notes.
But I don't even know if you're saving any time.
It's just more more fulfilling. No, I'm.
I'm incapable. I outsource all of my editing
work now. I got lots of of people helping
out, and I don't even know how to edit videos anymore.
That's that's probably the last video I ever edited.
Was that JC? Yeah, you gotta give Kevin.
Kevin's David Bell clip. That needed no, no intervention
by me on it, Kevin. Kevin nailed it right out of the
gate. God, I wish I had eight hours to
make a clip. God.
That would be the life Ryan asking was that patent?
Ban on the Oh yeah, that's not us.
But who is it? It's a good question I must
have, I think. I must have been.
Searching for oh. Yeah, sound bites on my royalty
free music site that I use. Nice.
That's so good. Sean.
You're over. There if you got sued for the
OH. Yeah, if it was an extra.
Royalty for you. You're over there thinking hard
about something. Is it a defense?
Is it a sleeper play? What do we got?
Well, I'm trying to. Balance some of my own personal
incentives here, cuz I kind of wanna push a defense so that.
I don't have to just. Come out and say that I don't
want Michael Wilson, but then I'm like but if Michael Wilson
has a huge game in week one, then that would be worse than
any other scenario. So we'd better just take Michael
Wilson. It is a rule on this show if.
Someone floats a player the round before and he comes back
around. We are legally obligated to
take. Well, not not if Sean's fully
out on Michael Wilson. Just.
Come out and say that I don't want Michael.
Wilson on this. Team the political section.
Starting Sean, what don't you get about that?
Who, what? What?
What's the anti, Michael?
Wilson case Sean. And I know a body by He had a
long time in college to prove that he could stay.
Healthy or that he was good when he was healthy or any of those
kinds of things. But I do want to take him here
because that's argument convinced me.
That's a lot. Because if.
Well, there's. A guy that I don't know he's
like. There's a guy that's.
Argument. You can't even say it.
That is argument. Convinced.
Convinced.
You're the least convinced person I've ever seen That was
like a blink twice if this is a hostage video thing.
There is a player. I really want for this team,
but. He's gonna be.
Is he a defense? Sean because that would work out
well. No, he's he's one of these
players who the. Best pick in round 13 even
though. He's going under.
If he's going to rise before we can add him, then we should have
drafted it well, does his name. Ryan.
With Ron Dollar, yeah, we have about 45% in underdog.
So hopefully he plays before. Too late in the.
Yeah, exactly. Oh man, I thought.
His name might. Rhyme with fucker, I mean.
I mean sucker. I think that's another one
there's. We gotta get these.
Oh, oh, oh. Josh Palmer we gotta get No, not
Josh Palmer, Trey Palmer. We gotta get some Trey Palmer
shares at some point. Not really nice to have a guy
you feel comfortable cutting. You know, just right away where
you. Don't have any emotional
attachment to it. That's the that's the Trey
Palmer thesis. I'm not making a clip, but
Gretch, Megan, Kim, I'll. Take it easy on you on the
rigorous editing, but he's he's he's going to be too good for a
clip. Unfortunately all right our team
as we head into the last round. Christian McCaffrey.
Galen Waddell T Higgins Man, That Christian McCaffrey pick
feels legitimately ages ago. CMC Jail and Waddell T Higgins
Travis CTNJSNJK Dobbins, George Pickens, Quinton Johnson,
Tralenberg. Shout out to the audio Listener
Sam Laporta to a contrapretal US election could have pushed into
the 12th. Marvin Mims Greg Dulch is by the
dip. Dante Foreman, The last
draftable player. Michael Mayor Kyler Murray.
Why not? Trey McBride Stack it up.
Evan McPherson, Huge Lake. Michael Wilson Stacked that
bitch up twice And then we're heading into the so the chat
very torn on the Michael Wilson pick.
Watches Netflix, then we've got Michael Wilson equals.
We've got Michael. Anquan Bolden tears up Week 1.
Michael Wilson has a good locker room personality.
And what was it? There's one more.
Oh, Harb said. I prefer Trey Palmer in managed
parentheses so I can cut it. I What I'm getting is Michael.
Wilson's A. Polarizing player Pat.
He really is the the Michael Wilson watches Netflix got.
Shawn, to do a legitimate spit take there.
Love it. Love it.
Shawn, I didn't get to hear. What show are you watching right
now? I was trying to think because
Colin and I actually even did. Like best?
Show on like every streaming service bit on one of our shows
I was watching. A little bit.
Of Pat referenced it on one of our current or recent land.
The plane situations where you have that hijack, they're almost
there hijacking off again, they're going to stretch that.
That's the going on for five. Seasons and then a week will
have passed. That's where we're headed with
that. They landed the plane well in
season one, but don't We're on the clock.
We're on the clock. Let's just keep talking about
the plane. I don't what plane are we
talking about? The one that Idris Elba saved
from being hijacked. I mean the first defense, you
name. I will say yes to so.
But yeah, wait. Week 1 Schedule Chat Steelers
Are we? Steelers.
Versus Brock Purdy. Are we OK with that, or do we
want to go? Denver versus Sam Howell?
Wait, Steelers are available. We're sorry.
Good Steelers. Yeah.
Steelers are available. Who do they plan week two?
You told me, Cleveland. Cleveland week.
Is it still the Iron Curtain then?
The Raiders? Yeah, I mean.
Pretty, yeah. Kind of.
Probably not a great match. Against the Niners.
But let's do it. I mean Brock Purdy.
Elbows still gonna. Be hurting him.
Throws a few and then you got Deshaun Watson and then you got
the Raiders. And then you got the Texans.
Pretty. Start CMC.
Catches 14 balls. Brock Pretty throws 4 picks.
I think it works out. That's another one too, where it
it is nice for Stephanie to have.
That defense in there? Yeah, Sean's already thinking
about Stephanie. We've got her for saving.
Sean, Four weeks there. There we go.
That's having four weeks with. Defense is pretty nice for the
waivers. Yeah, I've never had a defense
for more than one week. You're welcome, Stephanie.
The team is in the books. Sean, give us your thoughts.
Let people know you, would you? Would come into this draft with
aspirations to draft 19 running backs and 14 quarterbacks.
We didn't quite do that. But we drafted A-Team and this,
and this is perfect, right? This.
Is one of the most fun teams. You could draft to and.
You know, I don't know that talk about structure is as important
in. But to have balanced out our
positional objectives so well, we we came in not like locked
in. We certainly could have gone
with a Justin Fields and that would have been a fine pick.
But to get Dobbins where we got him, you had a Javante Williams
option there as well I think. But to get those 3 running backs
with the crazy upside and to have Higgins fall to us, but
then to be able to come back and to get Pickens.
To get Johnston to get Treylon Burks when you're not going to
need to start him during this time period that he's recovering
from that injury, it's really unfortunate for him.
It's really unfortunate for the Titans and for people with
shares and best ball. But it's almost perfect for you
if you're trying to build out the kind of team in redraft
because you got a guy who you don't have to start right away,
who has against league winning upside, you're talking about
round nine. That should not be the case.
And then to be able to put Tua and Kyler together, really the
two quarterbacks, outside of the elite quarterbacks who you can
look at, you protect yourself forward, use those flash forward
moments and you say who could be a tournament winner who doesn't
go with those elite guys? These are the two players and
they're both on our roster now. There are other players I like
in there who? Yeah, they've got that really
low probability, but Two and Kyler are the two very clear cut
guys to have both of them there and then take those four tight
ends where if you get an elite tight end, you're probably not
going that route. But one of the things we kind of
ran into and we saw is that there are not a lot of great
picks in the double digit rounds, which you know there
shouldn't be. And if you can hit contingent
plays at tight end where I mean two of those guys are elite
athletes. He also has a lot of receiving
ability in his profile and then mayor is this fantastic overall
tight end to have some differences in the profile, but
to have that upside in the profile.
I mean it feels a long time since we were in those single
digit rounds that were so exciting.
But I mean, you know, if you were to fall asleep and draft
the perfect team and then wake up.
And be like, oh, it didn't happen.
This, I mean, this is the team. So again, it doesn't mean you're
going to win because so many things can happen, you know,
even before we start. But I love what we were able to
do and we talked. We had a little celebration as
soon as we got the 106 because it does set you up so perfectly.
So I think that we have to be appreciative of just having
gotten the best dressed slot too.
That allows you to do things the people at the edges probably
can't do. But again, I mean, this was so
much fun to draft this team and I love the way that looks at the
end. Every time you've ever broke
down a team we've drafted together, I'm convinced it's
gonna I want to run to a fucking brick wall and count my million,
person Person says. He is a time.
Traveler This team does win. That's official.
I do think that's like a good point about like the drafting
from the middle. It does.
You know, we we had our some decision points.
But man, it feels so much better than when you're having to make
those decisions on either of the wraps where you're essentially
like planting your flag. Reaching to get the guy, like
letting the draft come to you from the middle of the board
feels really good. Yeah, we we got a couple really
nice values. Fall our way.
We we did a couple reachy things.
You know we took JSN the chat, chat revolted right.
But we got most of the most of the guys we took.
It felt like pretty easy clicks pretty pretty great values and
that's that is the dream when you're in the middle of the
board that's that's what it opens up to you.
So you kind of need the rest of the room to cooperate and hand
you the guys that you like more, but for the for the most part
that happened here so. I think it's a really fun team.
Together, you know, this team's like you get the the running
back, you know? It's like I love a team that
feels like it's. Investment is.
Higher than we typically make. But it's with.
Guys that have a ton of upside but also like should have two of
the guys should have very big roles right out of the gate.
I think Dobbins will as well and what do we pair that with?
We pair that with scratch offs at tight end with a lot of
rookie second year even injury risk at.
Wide receiver but all super high upside guys and then we have
high upside at quarterback for cheap price tags.
So it's just like that's like exactly I feel like how you
should build out. That's a great thing that's been
a little bit more running back. This is one of those teams are
like sometimes you get in season you're.
Like man. What do we do with our bench
here? There's so many things that we
need to accomplish with these last few roster spots.
I wanna add some depth at this position, this position, this
position that we only took. 4 running backs and we might not
even keep the odd day form in that long.
If the other three just hit, we'll just roll with three.
Probably like I I don't even like I feel like we we have all
the adequate depth we needed, all the positions we need.
They do work like the way you're saying it, like this roster
throughout the year is going to feel very correctly configured.
It's a coherent. It's like, yeah, it makes a lot
of what we did, pieces together in a way that I think we're
going to, we're going to like. We need those running backs to
come through. We obviously need those upside
bets to hit at least some of them and, but I just think it
just makes a lot of sense. Let's close on this.
Let's each say our favorite pick from this draft.
I will say my favorite pick was Quinton Johnston in the eighth
round. I look at some of the players
he's going around here. Sky, Moore Cooks.
I definitely prefer him to those guys.
I think he gives us immense upside, gives us the kind of
profile we want to win in that 15 through 17 stretch, giving us
our cheap but high upside exposure to the Chargers
offense. Gretch, what was your favorite
pick in this draft? I want to go last.
I got a few. All of these guys, all right?
Corrine favorite I'm worried I'm.
Going to steal Gretch or no? If you pass.
You get to take whoever, All right?
I'm gonna say Travis Etm. Who is a guy that I feel like
I'm lower on than Sean and Ben, but that was one of mine.
Yeah. I'm super excited to have on the
team, partly cuz. They've.
Been talking him up and it's one of those things where when I am
trying to think through players right and draft and drafting a
ton of teams this year, drafting more teams than I ever have and
there's certain. Certain guys that sometimes get
lost in the shuffle or they're just hard to fit on my teams.
They don't fit the way I like building teams as much and eat.
That was kind of ETM for me for a lot of the the offseason and
then you hear the the tank Bigsby drum beat.
You know he's get all they like when short yardage don't like to
hear that they would like him as a pass sketcher.
That's not great but ETM really pops in my stuff.
Like. He He had.
A Very. Strong rookie season.
As a rusher, he's a solid pass catcher.
We think he's going to be on a very strong offense.
He was a much, much stronger prospect than Bigsby.
Like that's not even he wasn't even close.
And it's like, dude, he's in the fourth round.
Like all of that risk is baked in.
He gives you a ton of upside. You're getting a talent profile
on an elite offense, potentially, maybe not elite,
but they could be right. They could break out.
It's a breakout that twice break out on the offense who has a
very strong quarterback. Break out on this really
talented running back in his second full year.
I'm trying to get back to being really comfortably overweight on
ETN in My Portfolio in Best Ball and just psyched to get them on
this roster where that upside swing in the fourth round is
exactly what we wanted. Sean, Favorite pick?
Well, JSN is my favorite pick in every draft that I have been in
this. But outside of him, I'm going to
go right back to the very beginning where I was saying and
we were all hoping the Cup would fall, in part because it would
open up this potential to take those running backs in 3456.
But with the way it actually fell, with Higgins getting to
three with the decision to take JSN over Goddard and then
getting those deep tight ends instead.
I think that Christian McCaffrey, even if his ceiling
now is a little bit lower, but we know.
That he did score well. With the 49ers, and I mean,
you're talking about a guy who is the only player.
And again, maybe it's not this high now, but in recent memory
to a sniff 30 points per game. I mean, you're talking about the
guy. And now to have McCaffrey, ETN
and Dobbins together and to potentially be able to play in a
222 format 3. Like top six overall running
backs when you get into the tournament and still have all
the receivers that we have. So you have the flexibility if
you're wrong, right? But to be able to play like
three of the top 6 running backs in the tournament, I think it's
going to be really difficult for other teams to match that who
don't have those guys. So I actually love the way the
draft fell in the first round for us.
Grudge. Give us a walk off.
Favorite pick? Well, I mean, we have a lot of
fun guys. I think you could pretty much
pick anyone. From like round one to round. 10
But I do. I do think.
I gotta say T Higgins. I mean, Higgins fallen to 306
was the moment I was like, this is gonna be a really fun night.
Like that was the This room's getting a little weird.
We're getting some shit that's fallen to us.
This is gonna be awesome. I got T Higgins, actually ahead
of Devonta Smith and a clear tea break.
I think the whole. Industry has a clear tear break
after both of those guys go to get him 4 picks in a row that
are non receivers. And get.
Him to fall there, I think set up everything else really,
really nicely. It's an awesome waddled Higgins
combo when you already have everything Sean just said about
McCaffrey. Just feels so good.
To be clear, do you have him as a clear tear break over Calvin
Ridley who went at the. The 209 in the Strip, I do.
I do, yeah. I I thought that's what you're
saying. Yeah, I.
Yeah, I have. Ridley, as you know, 16.
So there's 14 receivers if you don't count Ridley.
I have Keenan Allen, 15. I have.
I have Ridley 16. I'm not, like, gonna be way out
on him or anything, but I don't have him at 208.
You might be, if this is the price.
Yeah, exactly. All right, this.
Was a tree always? A block, I said.
Mine. Quinn.
Johnson. Quinn.
Johnson Oh, right. Sorry.
Yeah. I think those were all.
All great choices there, Sean. Any final words for this draft?
Always a blast drafting with you here on the ship chasing
channel? Yeah, no, I just had wanted to.
Say how much I enjoyed this, how much I like the team, and just
express my gratitude to the three of you just overall and
how much I enjoy doing. Stealing bananas with Ben and
reading, stealing signals, you know, even especially this last
week where there's been so much cool stuff out.
Obviously Pete doing the drafts with you this year.
I mean, I get fired up for that every Wednesday morning.
And then you know all of the amazing stuff that Pat has done
in the last year. And then being able to read
these legendary upside articles as they come out and thinking
through the tight ends this last week and and everything with
that. It's just it's it's a wonderful
experience and I love you guys and I love this team.
I think it's going to win the whole thing.
There you go. We love you guys too.
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