1 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:06,040 Hello everyone and welcome to a special May 13th edition of ADP 2 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:08,240 Chasing. We're joined today by special 3 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:12,360 guest Hayden Winks of Underdog Fantasy to discuss his early 4 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:15,160 ranking disagreements with the market. 5 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:20,600 We're also debuting a new ADP chasing intro clip for the first 6 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:21,720 time. Let's hit it. 7 00:00:23,240 --> 00:00:25,480 ADP chasing is for when you watch ship chasing, you go. 8 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:27,280 These guys are just football guys. 9 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,440 And the targets for outrun leagues, that's going to be 10 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:30,840 really nice. Actually back in if it's 11 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:32,479 ashenet. Compared to our crystal ball, 12 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:35,360 close your eyes. You know all your entries are 13 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:37,800 going to lose anyway, yeah? That's fair. 14 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,440 This is a deuce von show. It's anti cabal. 15 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,280 It's anti the best ball, thought leader. 16 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,840 I'm obviously lying to some degree, 'cause like I have a lot 17 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:46,960 of both of these guys. It's. 18 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:55,640 The most disgusting thing you can make, but man, that's 19 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,000 incredible great. Who do we give credit? 20 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,360 Who do we give credit to for that again, Zach? 21 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:04,200 Lanard Zach Lanard, Who also if you if if people have not 22 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:06,960 checked out the highlight video that we have from the first 23 00:01:06,960 --> 00:01:09,800 season of ADP Chasing, which is on the YouTube channel, they 24 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:11,240 should check that out. He made that as well. 25 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:17,240 Wow, Just just incredible stuff. Hayden, thanks for joining us 26 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:19,600 today. I think it's now second year in 27 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,960 a row we've had you on as the first ADP chasing guest the 28 00:01:22,960 --> 00:01:24,160 season. How you doing? 29 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:27,800 Doing well. Excited to join Rashi Rice. 30 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:29,640 Chasing. I've been tuning in and it's all 31 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,920 you guys talking about nowadays. He's the he's the most 32 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,200 interesting guy to think about in the player pool right now. 33 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,600 There there is. You know, with such little 34 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,440 change in in informational, he's really the only interesting guy 35 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,440 to think about at this time. I would love to talk about Rashi 36 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:46,000 Writes less. Could you help us out there? 37 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:47,880 Yeah, yeah. Rashi, please. 38 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,640 Since last week, there's been a new police report. 39 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,320 We we have another police report to talk about Rashi. 40 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:55,600 Writes There's been a police report. 41 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,080 There's been stuff that's come out about teams having them off 42 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:01,040 their draft boards last year. There's been all sorts of stuff. 43 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,640 So don't don't worry, we'll we'll get to that later. 44 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:08,160 We might as well dive in now. I wanted to start Hayden with 45 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:12,000 your ranking disagreements. You pulled this chart together 46 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,200 and I just want to start from a sort of macro draft landscape. 47 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,080 We don't need to get into specific players, but you know, 48 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,000 my interpretation of this chart is you're much higher than the 49 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:25,520 market on early running backs, you know say to pick 60 or 70 or 50 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,840 so. I'm just curious how you're, if 51 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:30,080 you were drafting in these tournaments. 52 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,280 Obviously you can't. You know you're an underdog 53 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:36,720 employee, but how would you be thinking about your macro draft 54 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:40,160 strategy with respect to running back in the in the early rounds? 55 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:42,800 Well, I I feel like the the first thing I wanted to do is 56 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,920 after tinkering with my rankings displayed, I'm on a chart like 57 00:02:45,920 --> 00:02:48,680 this so I could get a feel for like where I'm going to be 58 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:52,040 higher on guys in general and lower on guys in general. 59 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:55,120 That way I'm not just like completely overloading into one 60 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,160 position. So like even though my ranking 61 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,200 suggests I have a bunch of running backs early, I'm not 62 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,160 like taking 4 running backs. I'm like the top 8 rounds like 63 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,560 very often. So to me it's still about the 64 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:09,400 just roster construction kind of buckets and then kind of filling 65 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:10,880 into that. I think that this year just 66 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:14,080 because the running back prices are down, like like not even 67 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:18,120 exaggerating like another two rounds in general, I'm going to 68 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:19,680 be more willing to take those guys. 69 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,360 I think for for the first round it's like all wide receivers 70 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,480 anyways. So it's not like it's like the 71 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,640 old robust RB days where like you would literally start with 72 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:29,040 running back, running back, running back. 73 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,560 Like now it's like there are RB teams would be like wide 74 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,480 receiver, wide receiver and then like 3 running backs like the 75 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:37,640 next four or five rounds. So it's just a it's a totally 76 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:41,920 different market now, which makes the historical data really 77 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,440 challenging to navigate because the prices are completely 78 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,280 different at the two positions that matter by far the most, 79 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:49,360 running backs and wide receivers. 80 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,560 But for the most part, like, no matter if I have a bunch of 81 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:56,840 running backs early, if I don't have 4-5 wide receivers by round 82 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,920 seven, five, or six wide receivers by round ten, I've 83 00:03:59,920 --> 00:04:01,320 done something drastically wrong. 84 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:03,600 So maybe like the other take away would be that I'm not 85 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:06,640 drafting the elite tight ends very often because I'm not 86 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,400 willing to sacrifice wide receiver points, and I think the 87 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,240 running back values are at a good price point. 88 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:13,560 So if there was a position I was going to kind of punt off this 89 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:15,480 year, it would be the tight ends. 90 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:18,320 And I think going to yeah, that go out Corinne. 91 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:20,160 Well, I was just going to ask because it seems like your 92 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:23,920 rankings pretty clearly show that you see value popping up at 93 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:28,520 running back in the second round with like Josh Jacobs, Etienne 94 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,680 Henry, Pacheco, like that group you have quite a bit above. 95 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,360 But the thing that makes this year so interesting to me is 96 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:38,360 that the values don't stop. So, like, I agree with you like 97 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,600 all these guys. Like Najee Harris is not someone 98 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,880 I've ever been excited to draft. I think he's a pretty good pick 99 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,360 this year. Zach Moss, Jonathan Brooks 100 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:50,040 Raheem Monster. Brian Robinson, Zeke. 101 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:51,600 I have no issues with any of these guys. 102 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:55,680 Right. So that's to me that's the tough 103 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,680 thing is that if you it's it's not about finding running back 104 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,800 value. It's about maximizing the 105 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,440 running back value you get while also kind of sticking with the 106 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:07,200 principles that you that you've laid out. 107 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,080 We're making sure you have enough wide receiver firepower. 108 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:11,000 It's it's it's kind of a balancing act. 109 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,120 Yeah, I think that's going to determine who makes the money 110 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,560 this year. And I think what I'm going to be 111 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,280 doing is like they're kind of boundaries like typically like I 112 00:05:19,280 --> 00:05:23,840 was listed like 5 to 6 running or four to five wide receivers 113 00:05:23,840 --> 00:05:27,280 by round seven is typically that's been optimal every single 114 00:05:27,280 --> 00:05:29,520 year in basketball. So all four years it's been that 115 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,240 kind of structure. Maybe in previous years I would 116 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,360 have had five, this year I might be at four and kind of do one 117 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,760 more detour in the 1st 10 rounds. 118 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:41,720 So maybe and I would typically only have 3 running backs 119 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:46,520 through round ten this year. If if I add a Brian Robinson and 120 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:51,040 Inaji Harris as my my RB threes and RB4 and rounds 8 and 10, I 121 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:52,480 think I'd be OK with that. So. 122 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:54,320 Are you done at that point? Like, are you? 123 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,960 Are you taking? I've well, if I have a fifth 124 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:00,880 running back it'll be like the last couple rounds, but I have 125 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:02,640 to say. So are you going back to the the 126 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:06,160 hyper fragile teams or kind of thinking of it that way? 127 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,080 Yeah, a little bit. I don't want to get like 2 out 128 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,880 of the buckets though. Like we have four different kind 129 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:15,600 of seasons now. And for the things that have 130 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,160 been optimal every single year, I feel like staying 131 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,480 directionally close to that and then making like slight tinkers 132 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,480 is probably the way to approach. Them And what are the rules of 133 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,640 thumb again for wide receivers? Yeah, let me pull them up 134 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,600 exactly. So this is for every single year 135 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:34,160 this has been either completely optimal or almost optimal. 136 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,560 Four or five wide receivers through round seven, five or six 137 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,280 wide receivers through round 10, and then seven or eight wide 138 00:06:40,280 --> 00:06:42,880 receivers through round 18, which is like pretty much 139 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,760 consensus anyways. I think there's a lot of ways we 140 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:50,000 can kind of get there, but like if I drafted 4 wide receivers in 141 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,720 the first four rounds, I others would draft the fifth in the 142 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,040 sixth wide receivers in round five, round six, no problem. 143 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,080 I think I'm at the point where I would want to push that a little 144 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,400 bit and kind of call it a day a little earlier than usual. 145 00:07:01,840 --> 00:07:03,400 Can you guys hear my cat screaming, by the way? 146 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:04,680 Yeah, I. Heard that? 147 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,880 He's he well, he understands that there's someone else who 148 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,920 actually sees the truth and beauty and Chase Brown and he's 149 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,560 so right now what he's doing is he's calling out and he's being 150 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:16,320 like look, you can try and make. Davis, boss. 151 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,400 Happen. It it's the opposite of what you 152 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:21,760 think, Davis. I think that's he's very low on 153 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,240 Chase Brown. No, I know you. 154 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,720 No, Aiden is low on Chase Brown. The cat is saying. 155 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:32,280 The cat is saying I I understand the truth and the way and the 156 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:33,760 life of of Chase. Brown. 157 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:37,120 He's great in my screen merchant leagues where he gets well. 158 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:38,400 Turns out you get a lot of points. 159 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:40,440 Turns out you get a lot of points for bringing a screen 160 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:42,280 merchant. Yeah, that's great. 161 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:44,520 We're all in screen merchant leagues, Hayden, these. 162 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:46,360 Are the IT is great. It is great. 163 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:49,000 I would like to see a single Chase Brown run. 164 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:50,520 That would be helpful, but we'll see. 165 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,960 Well, I would like to see a single Zach Moss break a tackle, 166 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,680 but then after he breaks the tackle, continue advancing the 167 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,800 run and breaking the tackle and then immediately going down. 168 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:02,680 It's me personally something I'd like to see. 169 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:07,160 This is why David Monk. Earlier now I will say we've 170 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,160 made fun of Chase Brown for having one good play last year. 171 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,480 But if you watched that screen, he literally just catches a 172 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,560 screen pass and he has blockers in front of him and he just runs 173 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,400 straight like he's fast. He's not even an impressive 174 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:20,640 play. It's not an. 175 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,360 Impressive play. It's not an impressive play like 176 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:24,800 any running back could have done it. 177 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,280 So the I still think that. Any running back, not any 178 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:29,200 running back. Ezekiel. 179 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:30,760 Zeke. Zeke cannot do it. 180 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,120 Yeah, Zeke cannot do it. AJ Dillon couldn't do it. 181 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,200 But besides that? Dillon could not do it. 182 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:40,240 I mean look, Chase Brown did have 330 rushing attempts his 183 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,799 final season in college. I I think this is not, this is 184 00:08:42,799 --> 00:08:47,160 not, you know, Dylan Dylan Lauby right, where he had more 185 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,400 receiving yards than than rushing yards. 186 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:53,680 Really the the take away would be if you wanted to not just be 187 00:08:53,680 --> 00:08:56,880 a religious zealot about drafting off rankings, but to 188 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:58,800 use it to make market based decisions. 189 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:02,760 It would be instead of taking Jayden Reid, Terry Mclaurin, 190 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:07,680 Trey McBride, Mark Andrews, whomever it would be take Travis 191 00:09:07,680 --> 00:09:11,240 Etienne, Josh Jacobs, Isaiah Pacheco, Kenneth Walker. 192 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:15,960 Those those rounds 4-5 running backs are, I mean look they are 193 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,480 huge discounts relative to what the running back. 194 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,760 What would the What's the lowest the running back 12 has ever 195 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:23,840 been in fantasy football, I don't think. 196 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:25,720 This is this is. Not one. 197 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:29,120 It would not even be close. It would be like 30 spots in 198 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:30,760 overall rankings. Yeah, I don't think. 199 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,560 I don't think that the running back 12, has ever been a fifth 200 00:09:33,560 --> 00:09:35,600 round pick in any fantasy football contest. 201 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:36,480 Ever. Ever. 202 00:09:36,680 --> 00:09:40,800 Yeah, but I think like, so. My it's funny, 'cause I think 203 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:42,760 we're kind of more like way more on the same page with the 204 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,280 running back stuff than you would think from just looking at 205 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,120 the rankings, cause your point about you have to get the 206 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,120 receiver. So kind of what would happen 207 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:51,640 with if we were like were to do a draft is that we'd be looking 208 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:53,560 at a bunch of running. We would take our favorite 209 00:09:53,560 --> 00:09:55,600 running back early probably or maybe a couple. 210 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:59,720 But then we'd be looking at a lot of running backs as we were 211 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:00,880 like, ah, we got to give receivers. 212 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:03,160 You know, it's kind of the way it would go. 213 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,640 But I guess my thing structurally, I'm actually kind 214 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,160 of more curious about the tight end point that you made because 215 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,560 I think Elite tight end is a pretty big edge this year just 216 00:10:12,560 --> 00:10:16,480 because the prices are way down and I don't like the tight ends 217 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:20,160 late like I last year we had an awesome tight end class coming 218 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:21,680 in. We catch the Trey McBride 219 00:10:21,680 --> 00:10:23,880 breakout, which you know, it's kind of a a little bit lucky 220 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:25,840 that we got that. Maybe we get something like that 221 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,920 again, I don't know. But I think that the landscape 222 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,800 feels pretty different generally than last year. 223 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,520 I generally also like elite tight end as a strategy. 224 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,320 So I'm kind of maybe biased towards it from the jump. 225 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:43,160 But if I go, let's say 4 wide receivers, you know, and then a 226 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:48,040 tight end in Round 5 and then let's say, you know, maybe I get 227 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:49,760 another wide receiver in round six. 228 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,800 So now I'm five wide receivers and a tight end through six 229 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:56,600 rounds I can get like David Montgomery as my running back 230 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:58,720 one. Yep, that seems like. 231 00:10:58,760 --> 00:10:59,880 Pretty It's pretty nice. It's. 232 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,320 Pretty nice. Like I just did that today. 233 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:04,160 I grabbed Dave Montgomery in the seventh round. 234 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:06,480 I think it was a Lamar Andrews build. 235 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:08,560 So it was a little less strong at wide receiver. 236 00:11:08,560 --> 00:11:10,360 Yeah, but it was 4. Wide receivers. 237 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:12,240 Lamar Andrews and David Montgomery. 238 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:17,520 Yeah, that's, I mean I'm having a tough time not doing that. 239 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:19,760 So I guess what I would be curious to get more of your 240 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,880 thoughts on like don't grab the elite tight end, grab the 241 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:26,160 running back and then how those builds look end up looking 242 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,880 different. I would I the kind of 1V1 is 243 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,440 like would you rather have Trey McBride or Isaiah Pacheco in 244 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,920 like that 4th, 5th kind of turn. And I I would much rather have 245 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:37,400 like the Pacheco and then go from there and the the point 246 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,080 about the late late round tight ends being worse, which they are 247 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:44,080 a little bit worse this year. It's also because the the to me 248 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,240 the running backs, late round running backs, like there's no 249 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,480 the running back class this year was really bad and there's a ton 250 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:54,080 of wide receivers like day one day two wide receivers in like 251 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:58,120 the 678 all the way to the 18th round where I'm kind of flipping 252 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,280 it where like yeah I wanted to be drafting the kind of more 253 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:03,800 veteran running backs because there's less rookie running 254 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,400 backs like later on. So it's kind of the same point 255 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:07,880 you're making with the tight ends where you want to draft 256 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,680 them early because we have a less influx of rookie tight ends 257 00:12:10,680 --> 00:12:12,800 late. Well, I'm looking for the rookie 258 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,720 running backs like our guys this year are 6 rounders. 259 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:17,960 Like come on, you Did All and Tyrone. 260 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:21,760 Tracy But a lot of those guys, a lot of those rookie running 261 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:25,720 backs who have like shitty draft capital landed in like, deserts 262 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:29,240 of available still like. But they're running bad, but 263 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,280 still bad in general. It's still really bad in 264 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:33,120 general. We can kind of spin zone it. 265 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:33,640 Yeah. Tyron. 266 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:34,240 Tracy. Has well, but. 267 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:36,240 Then you saw the running back for the Giants. 268 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:40,080 I mean what about what about what about the spin zone, spin 269 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:43,560 zone Hayden that that the the Overton window for running backs 270 00:12:43,560 --> 00:12:47,360 have shifted because teams are just so over it that like what 271 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,320 used like a, you know five years ago a Day 4 running back like 272 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,440 might not even make the team now. 273 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,240 Like a Round 5 running back like Bucky Irving is just like going 274 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:57,600 to be the second running back on the Buccaneers when the season 275 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,280 starts. Like they just they're like, 276 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:00,640 yeah, we'll just go fill this with. 277 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:02,480 We know. I mean they they tried out Chase 278 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:03,000 Edmonds. They try. 279 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,240 Everyone on their roster has gotten a shot and they were 280 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,640 like, Nope. So yeah, I I just. 281 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,360 Think we have. I mean, yeah, like also last 282 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:12,160 year we can say, you know, running backs are getting 283 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:14,160 devalued more and more and I think that's generally true. 284 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,240 Last year, we still had two running backs go on the what, 285 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:20,240 Top 12 of the NFL Draft and Gibbs and Dijon. 286 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:21,840 Robinson the Lions would like a word. 287 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,280 Yeah, and then one of them didn't start and then one of 288 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:26,680 those running backs and one of the top 12 didn't start for his 289 00:13:26,680 --> 00:13:28,160 team. Yeah, I know. 290 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,920 It's just any, any time we say like, oh, the first round, real 291 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:34,600 life running back is dead. Teams prove us wrong like every 292 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:36,320 year. So, yeah, I'm just a little 293 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:38,960 hesitant to say that the Giraffe capital is like completely. 294 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,360 No, it was a bad running back. It was definitely a bad running 295 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:42,440 back. I think Jonathan Brooks was a 296 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:44,600 good running back prospect. You know, if he doesn't tear his 297 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:48,000 ACL, like, I mean he went pretty early in the second round with 298 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:49,560 the torn ACL, so, but. Then. 299 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:51,080 Even him. It's like now he's the Panthers 300 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:52,720 running back, right? Damn it. 301 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,200 Like and then like Trey. Trey Benson could have been 302 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:56,920 sick. Well, he at least had like some 303 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,120 level of competition with James Conner and then. 304 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,280 In third round, I didn't love him falling to the third. 305 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:05,320 No, I I think, I think Trey Benson, I think Trey Benson is 306 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:09,920 is going to be the answer to how did we let this happen in the 307 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,120 end, Like, James Conner is 29 years old. 308 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:15,000 The whole team just got younger. They're like it's going to be 309 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,400 much less the horizontal Raid. I think we have a very bad 310 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,760 picture of what the Cardinals offense looks like because the 311 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:24,320 last two years have been Josh Dobbs and then, you know, like 312 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,040 Cliff, like not even bothering to show up for work. 313 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:34,360 How crazy is it that in 2021 we were taking James Conner behind 314 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:36,840 Chase Edmonds? Yeah, we couldn't. 315 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:37,680 He's. Still there. 316 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:40,000 And he's still there. He was still there. 317 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:41,400 Yards after context for carry last. 318 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:43,640 Year he was so good last Year #1, so good. 319 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:44,240 I mean it's. Good. 320 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,440 He was the best in the staff that we don't care about. 321 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:48,760 Yeah, it's crazy. I guess we we we were out 322 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:50,320 because of injury proneness, right? 323 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:51,880 Another injury prone loss for us. 324 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:55,480 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wanted to talk here, so we'll 325 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:57,320 we'll get into a bunch of specific players that we've 326 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,480 we've talked about. I wanted to start the risers and 327 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,760 followers conversation just highlighting. 328 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:05,680 So this is the top 11 followers I think I have or sorry, top 11 329 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:10,360 risers I think I have on here. Eight of the top 11 are rookies. 330 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:14,640 So my question, I'll start with you on this Crane, is this 331 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:16,760 justified? Like were the initial ranks? 332 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:20,200 No, just so bad? Are we just getting, are we just 333 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:21,520 getting bored? Like, are we just? 334 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:25,080 Bored people are so bored. People are so fucking bored, 335 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:26,360 lad. Mcconkey. 336 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:32,160 Ladd Mcconkey is a fifth round pick now on 1/2 point PPR site. 337 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,080 Yes, we're bored, dude. We are bored. 338 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,280 I think it's maybe a little more justified than Davis does. 339 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:46,040 Like we we had to get some of these guys up substantially, you 340 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:47,360 know, and it doesn't happen overnight. 341 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:51,920 So there's still like some some cost, you know, adjustments 342 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,440 happening. Let me see where we have Ladd. 343 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,080 Yeah, we're, I think he's fine for Ladd. 344 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:58,680 You know, he's in the sixth round. 345 00:15:58,920 --> 00:15:59,960 That seems fine to me. It's. 346 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:02,080 It's fine. Yeah, it's fine. 347 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:06,480 We're now behind a little bit on Keon Coleman, but just barely, 348 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,880 Benson Knot seems like. A little out of control, that's 349 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:11,280 that's the boredom. One. 350 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:12,760 Let's get real. That's ridiculous. 351 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:17,680 That one definitely seems a little wild. 20 months ago this 352 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:21,120 guy was listed as a This guy was listed as a full back on the K 353 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,600 State football. He won, He won the the low Man 354 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:24,800 award. He was the best full back in the 355 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:25,840 country. I can't. 356 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:30,760 Now that being said, if you take Dave Daniels, if you take Jane 357 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,160 Daniels, you know you're tapping that button on. 358 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:36,680 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. The R-squared on taking Daniels, 359 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:40,320 then taking making Sannett and Luke McCaffrey Has to be like 7, 360 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:43,360 I mean. You you have to consider the 361 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:46,480 correlation like Sannat, I mean the best fullback in the 362 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:47,880 country. He's going to be blocking for 363 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,120 these Jaden Daniels runs that you need him out there. 364 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,280 It's the B Rob Stacks. Yeah, yeah. 365 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:55,440 I mean, I'm into that too, to be honest. 366 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:58,600 Yeah, so I did think this was interesting. 367 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:02,240 This is from John Boyd Beats. He did sort of a study about how 368 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:06,200 rookie AD PS, particularly at wide receiver seem to really 369 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:10,280 spike in, in June, like early June, which is I think basically 370 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,359 that's kind of where we are now because people are so excited to 371 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:15,680 draft right now. And these red XS, I did this 372 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:17,839 kind of quickly, but if you look at the wide receivers which are 373 00:17:17,839 --> 00:17:22,400 on the right of this chart, I put red XS on guys where you 374 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:27,160 basically got the worst value on them in early June and they're 375 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:30,600 buying opportunities later. So this is. 376 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:32,960 This is. Also when frequency of sex per 377 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:34,600 baseball drafter is at A at. A. 378 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:38,000 All time low. Oh yeah. 379 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:42,360 Yeah. So I don't know. 380 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:43,720 Aiden you have any thoughts on this? 381 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,000 Yeah, I mean, we're kind of joking, but it's like right when 382 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,680 we the first puppy, it's just the same people throwing like 383 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:55,040 253050 drafts in and so like this. 384 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,520 Call is coming from inside the room, right? 385 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:00,960 But like this consensus, where like typically a consensus is 386 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,680 like each person's opinion equals one. 387 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,520 Now after a puppy draft, it's by draft, not by users. 388 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:10,240 Now all of a sudden that the person that's drafting all these 389 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,880 zero running back teams, now you just watch the 0 running or the 390 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,440 wide receiver prices go dramatically up right when we 391 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:17,960 launch the Puppies, same thing. That's going to be the same 392 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:20,800 cohort that's going to be drafting the rookies in general. 393 00:18:21,360 --> 00:18:23,520 So yeah, it makes sense. Like right after the Puppy 394 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,640 launches, this will probably be the peak of both wide receiver 395 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,920 prices and rookie prices, and it'll slightly tail off. 396 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:34,200 But I mean, we're talking about like 5-6 points or draft spots I 397 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:35,960 think in general here. So I don't think it's going to 398 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:39,240 matter all that much. Yeah, I don't think it's going 399 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,160 to matter too much. I just think, yeah, I think the 400 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:44,040 psychology of it is right when the contest opens, there are 401 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:47,960 these crazy values and Pete overset, obviously he, he put 402 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,720 out some videos highlighting awesome values right away. 403 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,280 But then people have that mindset and I think it lasts 404 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:55,600 like a couple weeks too long where it's like, oh, I got to 405 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,200 get in the draft and like, get this rookie because he's never 406 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:00,520 going to be, you know, going this late. 407 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:03,640 And then that mindset just keeps going, keeps going to a point 408 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,040 where it's no longer. True people are literally 409 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:09,440 logging on to do drafts to draft Benson at right now. 410 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,160 They're like, they're like I'm entering a draft to make sure 411 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:15,040 that I come away with Jane Daniels and Benson at and Luke 412 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:18,160 McCaffrey here, and it's me. He did a whole video where he's 413 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,360 like, I'm going to do that. I'm going to get that stack. 414 00:19:20,360 --> 00:19:24,400 And that was like 2 weeks ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 415 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:29,720 I mean, let's take the the Sanat one is that one feels like the 416 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:33,240 most fragile to me of these, like when? 417 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,560 Tracy and Vidal are pretty fragile too, but I agree with 418 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:38,800 you. I mean, fragile in the sense 419 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:42,760 that, like, when August drafters come in, they're going to be 420 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:48,800 like, Ben, what now? And Ben Ben Senate is There's a 421 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:52,440 chance that he ends up going, like, undrafted in August. 422 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,120 Drafts for sure. Like straight up. 423 00:19:54,120 --> 00:19:57,160 He is not gonna be running with the first team, I can guarantee. 424 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:01,240 Early 21 personality will be hidden. 425 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,680 I mean how we might as well at this point call? 426 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:10,240 Zacker, Eckler and E Rob, it's going to be all free from the 427 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,480 back. I formation. 428 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:17,720 He's definitely on the fields. How mad, how mad are the 11th 429 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,880 round Ben Center drafters going to be when Zach Ertz has IS 430 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:22,960 leading the Washington Commanders and Targets through 431 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:26,080 three weeks in the season? Stop bag defending. 432 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:28,600 It's not. It's not a bag effect. 433 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:30,160 No. No. 434 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:33,360 For once in my life, I you get to be the side of common sense 435 00:20:33,360 --> 00:20:36,440 in a rookie versus old. I've never in my life been on 436 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,120 the common sense side, no. You're back defending Ertz, not 437 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,720 for. The first time ever. 438 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,760 For the first time ever, I needed it. 439 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,640 The chat is asking, No, I'm I'm not drafting Ertz right now. 440 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,880 I've moved on to Dawson Knox as my. 441 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:51,520 Oh yeah, I take Knox. That's. 442 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:53,760 That's as as my cope in round 18. 443 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,040 What? Are you saying what we can't 444 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,120 take Josh Allen's guy who might catch a touchdown on the right 445 00:20:59,120 --> 00:20:59,680 week? Dude. 446 00:20:59,960 --> 00:21:02,320 Yeah, seems fine. That guy. 447 00:21:02,360 --> 00:21:04,520 Sold the Parkinson on That's right. 448 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:06,800 Yeah, Level little. 18th round, Colby Parkinson. 449 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:09,720 Yeah, that's Will this Lee dog. Will. 450 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:10,920 Will this Lee. Oh man. 451 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,680 I saw you wrote him up so you think Parkinson cause 452 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,440 Parkinson's got late like hate B will be back at the end of the 453 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,120 season right. So you think he he's got to take 454 00:21:19,120 --> 00:21:20,080 that job? I don't know. 455 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:26,280 Yeah, I think he's, yeah, I think he's like in. 456 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:30,240 January, yeah, that's not great. Also, he's never been good. 457 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,360 Like, he's got, he's been good for three weeks at a time. 458 00:21:33,360 --> 00:21:36,560 I don't know Colby Parkinson's. Like, he's massive. 459 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,680 And like the the underlying numbers aren't terrible, yeah. 460 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,520 What was Oliver? You know, like they they he they 461 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:49,040 had Everett and Higbee and they they, like told Everett to hit 462 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:50,760 the road and they gave Higbee an extension. 463 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:52,200 So I I don't know. It makes me 'cause. 464 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,320 I got a lot of money though. I think there's like what, $15 465 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,160 million or something like that? I forgot the exact number. 15 466 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,480 1/2 guaranteed. Yeah, like. 467 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:01,480 That's a lot. I like at that point. 468 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,480 It's not even Josh Oliver. Money, dude. 469 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:13,880 Ross Oliver's a good Ben Sonata. Not even like that's just a. 470 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,120 That's just a good point. That was a tremor through the 471 00:22:18,120 --> 00:22:22,400 universe right there, though. Because Joshua was kind of an 472 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,400 interesting prospect. For he was. 473 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,040 He was, yeah. It's the whole the whole game. 474 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:30,600 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I kind of like Sonata, but it is 475 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,400 getting a little wild. We gotta stop talking about H 476 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,200 backs. We're gonna lose all we're not 477 00:22:36,360 --> 00:22:37,000 let's. Move. 478 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:41,240 No, one is not one. Let's move on to Mike Evans. 479 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,200 I thought this was an interesting ADP rise because it 480 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,640 really bucks the rookie trend he's he's in here moving up two 481 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,280 spots. I think this is driven by ETR as 482 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:50,280 you. Know what's drawing this? 483 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:51,840 Yeah. Don't act like you don't know 484 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:53,920 you guys have them at like 17. This is. 485 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,640 Come on. Look, I, I I'm not putting 486 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,600 inputs in there at ETR. I'm, you know, I'm not involved, 487 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:03,080 so don't blame me. But yeah, this is also. 488 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:07,200 It's also structural, too, because it's a natural push back 489 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,000 to why I don't want to fucking draft Devon a chain. 490 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,160 I don't want to draft Kyron. Maybe I don't like Devonte. 491 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,720 Maybe I don't like IU, maybe I don't like Debo. 492 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:19,720 Like, it's just a it's a it's a ranking that made that people 493 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:21,520 feel comfortable sliding into that. 494 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,400 It just feels nice and cozy, like putting on a Snuggie, like, 495 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,440 all right, I'll just take Mike Evans ahead of Devon, HP. 496 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,600 Yeah. 1000 yards. I'll just grab 1000 yards. 497 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,440 I know I'm. Just like 1000 yards, yeah. 498 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,560 Yeah, that sounds good. I think too, like I have a bit 499 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:36,680 of a Mike Evans rant. Like I think touchdowns just 500 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:40,520 matter way more than half PPR than people give the credit for. 501 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,400 And I get they're unpredictable, but with Mike Evans, they're. 502 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:47,360 Really not on Mike Evans. Yeah, 13 plus touchdowns and 503 00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:51,040 three of his four last NFL seasons. 12 plus touchdowns in 504 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,280 five of his ten NFL seasons. If you compare that to guys 505 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,960 going near him in ADP Chris Olave in his two NFL seasons. 506 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,440 Four and five touchdowns. Jalen Waddle in his three NFL 507 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:05,760 seasons, 6-8 and four. Hey, hold on, hold on about. 508 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:10,400 Jalen Waddle, Mike Evans is, I'm just saying he he's 6 foot 5. 509 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,920 Chris Olave, Jalen Waddle. These other guys going near him, 510 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,920 they're like 5 foot, 10/5 foot 11. 511 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,840 Like you can say touchdowns are unpredictable and I'm gonna 512 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,440 chase like the younger guys with theoretical upside. 513 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:24,160 But you can draft Mike Evans and just, I don't know, you can bank 514 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,800 12 plus touchdowns like 90% of the time. 515 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:27,680 That's. Crazy. 516 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:28,920 You can't. No, you can't. 517 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,000 You can't bank 12 plus touchdowns. 518 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,040 Come on, he's. No, I'm just saying literally, 519 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:34,960 it's historical. Hit rates 13, plus touchdowns 520 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,400 75% of the time the last Four Seasons. 521 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,520 Yeah, yeah, OK. But that's because you started 522 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:45,000 it after he went 5-8 and eight. So if you just. 523 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,840 Zoom out and it's got the Baker quarterback upgrade over Tom. 524 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:49,960 Yeah, Baker. QB upgrade. 525 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,760 Come on. I mean, so, so you're buying. 526 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,960 That you just can't tell me. That you can't tell me that a 527 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,480 guy who's he had can't tell me a guy who's 6 foot 5 doesn't just, 528 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,480 like, inherently score more touchdowns than a guy who's 511. 529 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,280 He had. 6. Touchdowns 2 years ago. 530 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,640 How tall is Tyreek Hill? Yeah. 531 00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:09,800 OK, well. This is turning into the dumbest 532 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:15,200 group debate ever. He had six touchdowns 2 years 533 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:16,400 ago and he went in the seventh round. 534 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,640 Then he had 13 touchdowns and now he's going in the second 535 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,240 round. Like, which are you? 536 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,800 Which is the thing that's affecting the ADP because I 537 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,360 think we're chasing the touchdown. 538 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,520 The touchdowns aren't like something no one's thought of. 539 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,880 He just scored 13 touchdowns and it boosted his ADP by 5 rounds. 540 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:31,720 That's why he's. Doing here. 541 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:36,160 You said that no one's deserving of the second round pick, and I 542 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,440 think that's true. Every single person we put up 543 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:39,920 there, we're going to say he shouldn't be there. 544 00:25:40,120 --> 00:25:43,000 Like they either haven't done it before or they're a regression 545 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,640 candidate should come back down. Unless we want to treat Derrick 546 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,320 Henry in those types as legit second rounders, but we don't 547 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,720 want to do that. So I think it's just like, OK, 548 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,360 Brandon Nyuk, Marvin Harrison's a a first round pick. 549 00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:56,160 OK, but Brandon Nyuk is actually the worst second round pick 550 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:57,680 though. Can we be honest about this? 551 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,080 So you love Debo and you don't like Ayuk? 552 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,640 Why? No, he's actually fine. 553 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,160 It's just all it's all it's all a brand thing now. 554 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,000 I just I like. The thing is is that I. 555 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:14,080 Prefer because you love Debo. I prefer Adams and Debo like 556 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,760 pretty significantly in this format to IUK, so it just means 557 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,120 I'll never take him because because no other drafter drafts 558 00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:24,720 that way at people are actually more likely to take IUK ahead of 559 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,880 Marvin Harrison Junior than take Adams ahead of IUK. 560 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,360 So it just it just means I won't get him, which is fine. 561 00:26:30,360 --> 00:26:34,680 I think the the issue you have with IU because he will never 562 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,280 have the highest single game ceiling on his team. 563 00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:41,120 McCaffrey and Debo have much higher single game ceilings. 564 00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:46,040 So to me that just feels like if the 49ers kind of goes according 565 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,200 to plan, you know, none of these guys get traded. 566 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,320 No one misses any significant time with injury. 567 00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:53,520 Probably all of them will be pretty good advance rate guys 568 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,920 because Purdy is pretty cheap and they're all pretty good and 569 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,440 the offense is so concentrated. So you just show up to week 17 570 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:04,120 with like the third highest ceiling projection of the guys. 571 00:27:04,120 --> 00:27:09,440 And I you know not to say in any given game he can't be the 572 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,800 highest scoring player, but I still prefer Debo. 573 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,760 By quite a bit. Because he's got the contingent, 574 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,280 because you're saying basically if CMC, even if CMC were to go 575 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,200 down now, we're probably more excited about Debo. 576 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,080 Oh, if CMC goes down like let's say CMC tears his need tomorrow, 577 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,640 where does deep I mean Debo immediately leap Prague's iuke, 578 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,120 I would assume in in ADP I. Think you're right? 579 00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:32,240 Yeah. I think Iuke is like absolutely 580 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,680 ready to completely take off one of these years. 581 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,480 And well, maybe I maybe I'll need to. 582 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:41,160 Maybe I'll need to readjust. I just like based on the 583 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,520 evidence that I have when these guys are on the field together, 584 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,440 Debo gets the ball more and he scores more points. 585 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,880 But you know what Debo's about to IS he turned. 586 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,080 He turns 29 this year. So. 587 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,960 That's like a long 29 years. Old It's a long 29. 588 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,240 So that's the other thing is Debo could, this could like, 589 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,080 Debo could, his black marble season could be this year it 590 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,160 could be, it could be Week 4. Debo kind of like rolls over on 591 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,800 his ankle and it, you know, it's over, right? 592 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,720 And there's also the there's like I'll I'll put like a ten, 593 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:15,080 1520% chance somewhere in there that Debo gets traded before the 594 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,120 season. And at that point I would want 595 00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:21,840 IU and like the combat. Demo Debo on a non Shanahan 596 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,240 team. I don't. 597 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,320 I don't have any interest with Debo on the Carolina Panthers. 598 00:28:26,360 --> 00:28:28,600 I'll say he. Would go take the Malachi Corley 599 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,520 job with The Jets and he'll be in the seventh round. 600 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:36,000 Oh God, that's disgusting. As so, I'm just looking at Brand 601 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,920 IU's Game log. Has he ever had a 30 point game 602 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:41,600 in PPR? No. 603 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,160 Maybe in maybe in his rookie season. 604 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,320 It is kind of crazy. He has on DraftKings with the 605 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,800 bonus, but he's never had it in. He's never had it in PPR. 606 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,280 Yeah, 'cause last year. 'S ceiling is just so much 607 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,360 better historically, if you believe that's predictive. 608 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:56,680 Right. And I mean it makes. 609 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,960 Sense you are the. Originator of that point that 610 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,040 sometimes you could just look at a guy's game logs and be like, 611 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,360 well, he has like literally done this before. 612 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:06,480 Yeah, I mean that's. Originator but. 613 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,120 I'm the originator. I'm the first guy to look at box 614 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,200 scores of. That. 615 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,440 Yeah. I'm ready for the flip inning. 616 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,320 This is the year. The IU flip inning has been like 617 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,640 this close to happen every single year and I feel like this 618 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,320 just this would make sense and I think he's falling off too like 619 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,880 he's been in the mix and like there's there's odd that either 620 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,440 one of those guys are at the age Cliff. 621 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,760 Same thing with CMC. And then I like at that point 622 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,160 all of a sudden IU can take another lead and like it's go 623 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,400 time. Isn't isn't the someone who 624 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:42,760 understands? You though go. 625 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:44,800 Ahead, OK. I was going to say as someone 626 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,320 who understands contracts better than we do, is there any like 627 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:51,280 contract related reason that Debo isn't going to be traded 628 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,560 until like after June 1st or something like that? 629 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:57,120 Because I heard that floated, but I did not really understand 630 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,120 why that would be a they're. Shopping him on draft night. 631 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,120 Yeah. So on draft night is going to be 632 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:02,520 hard because you have to pass a physical. 633 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,760 And he wasn't like it's too hard to do that during the draft 634 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,520 night. The reason why they would want 635 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:11,800 to do is because they would save $23 million next year and that's 636 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,360 how much over the cap they are, like exactly $23 million. 637 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:19,800 So when they have to pay for Ayuk and all these guys Purdy, 638 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,880 they're going to have to get rid of some some contract and the 639 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,520 most obvious one would be Debo Samuel. 640 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,080 Now the 49ers most likely are going to say, well we want to 641 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,480 try to win the Super Bowl this year and we'll try to trade Debo 642 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,440 next year. But if they get the right, so 643 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,360 there's. There's been some good reporting 644 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:40,800 on that from guys around the team which is that Debo is the 645 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:45,040 the the chess piece. Debo is the one that makes the 646 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,040 defensive coordinators be like well shit we don't really know 647 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,120 what to do. And I the chats going to start 648 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,600 doing the man versus zone thing to which I will say I have 649 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,480 literally no interest in like literally less than 0 interest 650 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,160 in but it totally makes sense. Like I you you can just like 651 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,480 he'll win it as the flanker he'll win is like he's a great 652 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:12,480 NFL wide receiver but you are he is a less versatile less like 653 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,760 dynamic after the catch player than Debo. 654 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:19,120 You you can structure an entire game plan around like 8 Debo 655 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,800 Samuel plays you know to to break out at any given time. 656 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,680 So it would make sense why Shanahan would not want to trade 657 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,520 him. I saw it the other way though, 658 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,240 because IU is the only one that wins down field and it's beyond 659 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,840 coverage and you can replace the Debo stuff with more George 660 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,720 Kittle, more CMC, more. Michael Hartman. 661 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:39,960 Could do some of the the. Ricky Pierce saw it. 662 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,960 Some interesting rushing stuff in college too, so maybe that's 663 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,680 their view on the long term. Debo replacement potentially. 664 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:47,920 Yeah, if they can't throw the ball down field, I think all the 665 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,360 Mickey Mouse stuff becomes a lot less appealing. 666 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,800 So I would guess that they feel really confident that they have 667 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,720 to pay Iuke moving forward. He's definitely, I know. 668 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,680 Like, Iuke did really well in reception perception in 2022. 669 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,400 And then I assume he did well this past year. 670 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,480 We don't have it yet, but he was wide receiver, 8IN open score 671 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,160 last year. So like, I think the point about 672 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,240 him being able to come, like if I'm Shanahan, I'm like, this guy 673 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,320 wins without me. That's cool, you do that and 674 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:17,840 then I'll figure out everybody else. 675 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,840 But it is interesting that he hasn't like Ayuk feels like he 676 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,480 could handle so much more, like they could just run the offense 677 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:27,240 through it. But they don't. 678 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,560 They don't tend to do. That they don't really do that. 679 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,240 Yeah, I don't understand why not. 680 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,480 But like the Tampa Bay game, he went nuts. 156 yards and a 681 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,320 touchdown, but he only had six targets. 682 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,160 I mean this like this is like George George Kittle. 683 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,400 George Kittle couldn't handle the Kelsey Esque role for years 684 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,160 and they just had really no interest in doing that. 685 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,640 Right. I think my point is like he's 686 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,080 already established he's a fourth round pick with a bunch 687 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,720 of target competition without these huge spike weeks. 688 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,520 And that if I if I have to draft him in the second round this 689 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,960 year and he turns out to be 1/4 rounder, I think that's kind of 690 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:02,520 how most of the second rounders are going to be. 691 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,560 But if all of a sudden there's less target competition, whether 692 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:11,280 it's a trade or the other older guys get injured, now I have a 693 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,600 chance where I can actually see him go up into like the first 694 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,120 round because like all the other numbers to me are right there. 695 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:21,360 He he seems very, very capable of handling like a 30% target 696 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,280 share. I kind of doubt it ever happens 697 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,120 because of the offense he's in. But like this is you're buying 698 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,200 low from a talent perspective. I agree with that. 699 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:31,640 Let's. Move on to a guy we were 700 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,600 discussing pre show. This is the Venn diagram of 701 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,280 Hayden Winks and Davis Maddock takes as I have. 702 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,680 Pacheco is right in the middle there. 703 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:44,520 He's up four spots, 7% in ADP. Start with Ukraine 'cause I 704 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,840 think I might be wrong. I think maybe you're a little 705 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,360 bit lower on Pacheco than the market, or at least not super 706 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,800 excited about him. What are your thoughts on this 707 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:57,920 movement upwards for Pacheco? Yeah, I'm, I'm not super excited 708 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,240 about Pacheco, but I generally get it. 709 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:04,040 I mean, he was good last year. He showed a ceiling in a single 710 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,240 week. They, the Chiefs were more 711 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,040 willing to lean on him than they, you know, really they 712 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:11,480 usually are with the running back. 713 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,120 There's no competition, competition CEH, like that's 714 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,840 just ideal. So I do understand that. 715 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,320 Daniel Razz this morning actually was like, I think he's 716 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,600 going to end up being in the Top 40 pretty soon. 717 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,880 So we're we moved him up a little bit. 718 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,679 The other thing I would say about Pacheco is like I never 719 00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:32,600 get him falling. Like I can get mixing sometimes 720 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,920 at crazy prices. It never happens with Pacheco. 721 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:40,679 So as I don't love Pacheco, he's not a priority for me. 722 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:45,239 But I do think if you want to make sure you have some and 723 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,400 you're just going to have him a little bit more top of mind, 724 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,719 that feels prudent because I think he probably does continue 725 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:52,719 to move up a little bit. So you're you're going to want 726 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,000 to take him at or a little ahead of ADP if you're if you're 727 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,200 trying to get some exposure right now? 728 00:34:58,160 --> 00:34:59,600 Hayden, I know you're prioritizing. 729 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,400 I think he was on your list of running backs to draft now. 730 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,560 Could you give a little more of like the ceiling bulk case for 731 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,960 Pacheco? So from week 12 on through the 732 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:15,240 playoffs, he averaged 17.6 half PBR points on 18 Expected 733 00:35:15,240 --> 00:35:18,280 Points, which both would have been the RB3 if you would 734 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:19,600 extrapolate that the entire season. 735 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,920 Obviously a little bit of a smaller sample, but that was 736 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,160 like 10 games with Pacheco and that would make. 737 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:26,960 Sense that's when Mccannon was was out. 738 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,720 Yeah, Mccannon was out and then Pacheco day three guy and he's 739 00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:33,320 like had to earn the trust of the coaching staff. 740 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,280 He had some fumble issues, he had some vision issues and now 741 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:37,880 he's getting better and that would make more. 742 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:39,720 Sense his legs were a little sore from stomping. 743 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:41,680 Yeah, exactly. Stomping. 744 00:35:41,720 --> 00:35:43,640 That big Stompers. So yeah, I think I've seen that, 745 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:48,160 like the role and the points last year were really good and I 746 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,560 think that we look at like the regular season points. 747 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,280 We don't factor in like the NFL playoffs, like he was balling in 748 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,200 the playoffs. And I think like that is when 749 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,480 the team really cares about all that. 750 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,160 So I think there's a little bit of a discount on like not 751 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:01,440 looking at the playoff box scores. 752 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,400 And then the other note with him is I was looking like who 753 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,040 finishes like top three overall took a version of the legendary 754 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,360 upside and not even about the players. 755 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,200 It's like what teams they're on and over like the last decade, 756 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,800 the teams have finished or the run backs have finished either 757 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,920 first, second or third on the season. 758 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,960 They played on a team that had a above 500 winning percentage 80% 759 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:26,640 of the time and 50% of those top three running backs played on a 760 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,120 team that won 67% of their games, which is like top five. 761 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,760 So like there really is like a more or less short list of guys 762 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,960 that can do that. I think Breece Hall could be a 763 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,240 little bit of an exception this year. 764 00:36:37,240 --> 00:36:40,800 Maybe Bijan, who might not be that on that good of teams, but 765 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,800 there's only so many teams that project for 11-12 wins and 766 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,480 Pacheco is one of them and he goes fairly late. 767 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,960 Zach Moss would be another player. 768 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,920 That's their running back that's really low. 769 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,920 But. That was a good one. 770 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,800 Snuck that in there. I did also want to. 771 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,960 So I don't know, I I think Pacheco too like and I've 772 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,200 hidden, I've even heard you and Josh talk about this like in 773 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:07,840 years past. You're not that excited about 774 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:09,840 Isaiah. Pacheco like the talent at 775 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,680 running back necessarily. You go into his advanced stuff 776 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,280 last year and I just put Taylor there as as an example that of 777 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,640 you know, a running back that everyone considers to be some 778 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,000 elite talent. I'm not saying Pacheco is better 779 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,880 than Jonathan Taylor, but if you look at the stats from last 780 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:28,600 year, he basically was. But I am saying that, but I'm 781 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:29,760 actually. I'm saying. 782 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,040 That so I picked Taylor's worst year and Pacheco's the last year 783 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:38,760 and he's better than him but no. But he's top ten, top 15 and 784 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,040 seriously like and the competition is literally a rugby 785 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,760 player. CEH and like well, Michael P 786 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,760 Rein like let's get real there. There's not really like the risk 787 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,760 of him. Yeah the risk of him losing his 788 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,640 workload isn't like in the true dead zone risk where like he 789 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,640 could lose his job or be forced into like a 5050 committee. 790 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,560 It could be the same thing as last year where they find 791 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,520 someone to take the McKinnon role and you just get Pacheco in 792 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,800 that like 60% role again fine. That's that's not great. 793 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,360 That's not a huge win there, but I do think there is some like 794 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,320 workhorse, esque potential for Pacheco. 795 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,920 Just cause like seriously who who else are they going to play? 796 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,400 Who else are they going to trust on pass downs for Patrick 797 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,400 Mahomes? Like there's just there's nobody 798 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,320 there. One one reason I'm having 799 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,200 trouble getting Pacheco and I think the market's just going to 800 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,360 force my hand on this and it'll actually, I'll end up when he 801 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,000 moves up, I'll actually getting more, I'll end up getting more 802 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,640 of him. But I've been taking James Cook 803 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,800 ahead of Pacheco, and that's one where you make the arguments 804 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,840 about the offense powering these guys. 805 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,520 I mean, I get the Bills offense that seems pretty great. 806 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,280 They threw to the running back way more at the end of the 807 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,040 season, so I get that kind of that kind of boost to it. 808 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,400 I also had, I mean, James Cook went nuts in a couple games late 809 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:55,760 in the season against Dallas, he had 25 carries, 179 yards, a 810 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,280 touchdown, 42 more receiving yards and another touchdown or 811 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,360 two receptions. The week before, he had 83 812 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,440 receiving yards and a touchdown, 58 yards on 10 carries. 813 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:06,760 Didn't get the the workhorse uses. 814 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,200 But in Week 16, he had another 20 carries, 70 yards. 815 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,160 He he closes with 16 carries, 13 carries, 18 carries, 18 carries. 816 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:20,280 He now has Ray Davis, who's actually older than CEH. 817 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,560 I just made that up. But you really you. 818 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,600 Didn't even say that. I believe that you might be. 819 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,760 Right, I might. Actually be right. 820 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,600 Flip the coins. You're you're not looking at 821 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,120 like a ton of competition. Now you do have it the the 822 00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,520 obvious push back is goal line stuff. 823 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:37,920 Does Cook get used to the goal line? 824 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,040 I don't know does Pacheco get used to the goal line 100% 825 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:42,720 definitely. So that's pretty great. 826 00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:46,160 But like, you have to me, I'm like this dude, I think Cook is 827 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,080 better. Like I think Cook is a better 828 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,320 running back and what if he gets the goal line usage? 829 00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:54,040 I have to take a little bit of leap of faith with that. 830 00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,440 But I feel like if he does, like, good luck without him, 831 00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,760 like he's gonna smash. Yeah, Crane, I've. 832 00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,000 I've got some new advanced stat for you. 833 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:02,920 I don't know if you've heard of it. 834 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,280 It's called touchdowns. James Cook has two rushing 835 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,040 touchdowns each of the last two years. 836 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,000 So you might you might want to. Yeah, I mean, it's a, it's an 837 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,080 Ecoler thing, right? It's like, do they give him it? 838 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:13,600 It is. Do they give him the work? 839 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,080 Because like, if they give him the work and you didn't think 840 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,880 James Cook in the fifth round, like you're you're gonna be 841 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:21,400 hurting. You're gonna be, yeah. 842 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,280 That's dog levels. Crane, I I dog, dog, dog per 843 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:30,440 pound and dog per year. Ray Ray Davis is is a dog. 844 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:34,480 I I I think I think I think he's gonna be the goal. 845 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:35,080 I back. For yeah. 846 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:36,880 And he and he ages in dog years, yeah. 847 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:42,880 Well done. I yeah, James Cook, three months 848 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,080 older than Ray Davis. That to me, I I mean, you guys 849 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,560 can correct me or or or say if you think I'm wrong. 850 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,120 To me, I sort of felt like the team that takes Ray Davis 851 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,200 totally understands what they're buying, which is about 20-6 852 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,920 months of a serviceable running back and they plan to put him. 853 00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,280 I I don't think there's any seasoning for Ray Davis. 854 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,600 I think it was whichever team takes him, he's like got to be 855 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,360 ready to go right away. There's just no point in taking 856 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:10,120 him and being like he's fine. He's ready made. 857 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,320 You take the plastic off and you put Ray Davis on the lineup. 858 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:17,400 So the the James Cook fall to me I I preferred Pacheco over him 859 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,520 anyway. So I I just because they're 860 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,920 you're on the clock and they're both there a good bit of the 861 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:23,600 time. So I wasn't taking him to begin 862 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:28,600 with and now with Ray Davis being, I think, legit 863 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:30,760 competition for the most important touches. 864 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,320 I mean, touchdowns on underdog are that's what's going to swing 865 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:38,200 all the money and how does James Cook get those touchdowns? 866 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,440 To make Sam's point. But to make Sam's point, Josh 867 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,600 Allen is literally bigger than Mike Evans. 868 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,320 So when they get down to the goal, you know who's the actual 869 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,080 goal line back here? Well, true, yeah. 870 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:53,600 Also, he's got lots of pressure. Also like the The Eckler thing, 871 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,400 I do think is a little bit different 'cause he had a 872 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,040 legitimate blocker in Melvin Gordon for most of his career 873 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,240 who was a a good running back. I think with James Cook they're 874 00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:04,360 trotting out 35. Jonas. 875 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,760 Murray they're trotting out Todd like they're they're just not 876 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,400 showing any faith in it. So I do agree with Ukraine, like 877 00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:13,440 we did see it with Eckler and maybe, there's, I don't know, 878 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,080 1020% chance Cook gets this goal line role. 879 00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:18,120 If he does, that's awesome. He's a smash. 880 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,040 But I just think it's like a big, big, big if that they're 881 00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,040 going. To give him here I've got to I I 882 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,520 I meant to say this earlier when we were talking about Pacheco 883 00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,760 but I'll I'll do let's do a blind resume here for for 884 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,000 Pacheco and another formerly fantasy great Chiefs running 885 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,760 back. This was the the Chiefs running 886 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:40,000 back in 2018. Eleven games, 181 rushing 887 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,600 attempts, 800 yards, 7 touchdowns with 26 receptions. 888 00:42:43,720 --> 00:42:48,680 Weirdly 7 receiving touchdowns. Isaiah Pacheco in 13 in 14 games 889 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:53,800 last season. 205 rushes, 935 yards, 7 touchdowns, 44 890 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,840 receptions, only two touchdowns. So basically the same stat line 891 00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:02,720 with the touchdowns swapped. That 2018 Chiefs running back 892 00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:06,160 was Cream Hunt who was a first round pick and now the market is 893 00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,680 saying no thank you Isaiah Pacheco. 894 00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,240 I was waiting. Pretty interesting. 895 00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:14,880 Darrell Williams or yeah, the other chief Kareem, I was. 896 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:16,400 Waiting for like Kyle Kyle Davis or something. 897 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,360 Well, Kareem it, it would have been, it would have been more 898 00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,640 games. But then Kareem Hunt got cut 899 00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,720 from the team for and then and then by the way Daryl Williams 900 00:43:25,720 --> 00:43:27,840 just continue to do the exact same thing with that. 901 00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,120 No disruption. Like, literally no disruption to 902 00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,000 what the Chiefs were doing in anyway, so. 903 00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:38,320 So one thing I'll just note on James Cook in terms of the kind 904 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:42,120 of his ability at the goal line stuff, his, his I wrote about 905 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,800 this last year with success rate actually having a little bit of 906 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,560 correlation to goal line opportunity. 907 00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:51,840 The following year, you could potentially look at James Cook 908 00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,960 and be like, oh, he's basically like a DeAndre Swift, kind of 909 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:59,600 like better than that, he's better than that. 910 00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:03,760 He had a 43% success rate last year, which was just behind 911 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,920 James Connor and Deontay Foreman, ahead of Kyron 912 00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,000 Williams. Yeah, he was like top ten in the 913 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,280 NFL and success rate, right? Yeah, it was HM White, 914 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:16,600 McCaffrey, Hubbard, Montgomery, Connor Foreman, James Cook, then 915 00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,680 Kyron, then Naji, then Khalil Herbert, then Zach Moss. 916 00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,160 So and then Zeke, actually. So it's like these dudes are 917 00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,680 like guys who hit the right hole pretty well. 918 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:30,640 If Cook's doing that, I think he's got a shot to get some of 919 00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,280 that work over a rookie day three guy. 920 00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,960 Like, I think, I don't think it's as big an if as you're 921 00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,280 painting it as. And the, you know, I I think 922 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,600 Hayden's point about Josh Allen being there is, is more 923 00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:44,720 concerning. And you probably need to. 924 00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:47,080 I mean, everyone else has already been doing this, but you 925 00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,920 probably, Pat needs to start taking Pacheco ahead of Cook, 926 00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:51,280 'cause I think I think that makes sense. 927 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,800 You're getting you want to have access to some of these, some of 928 00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:55,600 these guys. But I if Cook's going to fall to 929 00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,000 the fifth, like, I really think that's a pretty big opportunity 930 00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:04,160 to get an explosive, versatile running back on a on an elite 931 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,720 offense. Just looking. 932 00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:11,120 Josh Allen was 7th and inside the five yard line carries last 933 00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,240 year. So that I think that's like the 934 00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,720 probably the one thing that Austin Eckler didn't have to 935 00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:20,320 worry about is his quarterback getting involved down there. 936 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,120 But I James Cody I think is still a fantastic pick. 937 00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,240 Like he didn't have to score the touchdowns to be worth that 938 00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:27,680 price tag. Like, yeah. 939 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,080 And I agree with Ukraine. He's he's just like a great 940 00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:31,440 player. I think he's shown that in two 941 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,000 years. So if you just want to bet on 942 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,920 the talent and sometimes the situation, the role can kind of 943 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,400 fall into place. So I think that's a good point. 944 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,120 Let's move on to talking about Sam Laporta. 945 00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,560 We kind of tease the elite tight. 946 00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,240 End I might as well be fucking invisible when I'm drafting on. 947 00:45:45,240 --> 00:45:50,240 Yeah, what's the point? Literally, what is the point? 948 00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,160 I don't get it at all. He didn't separate at all. 949 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,640 He was like, on a technicality, the tight end one last year. 950 00:45:57,720 --> 00:46:01,200 Literally a technicality. But I don't know, man, you're 951 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:02,680 paying. Something to the judges. 952 00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:07,440 Yeah. I think it literally was like 953 00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:12,920 him at 11.1 half PPR points per game and then like 10 guys from 954 00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,040 like 10 to 11.1. Or, you know, I'm exaggerating, 955 00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:20,360 but it's something like that. I don't know, Crane. 956 00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,560 I think you're probably most interested in taking him. 957 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,400 So I'll. I'll give to you what's like. 958 00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,440 What could we all be missing? What's the reason why? 959 00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,120 LaPorte is a good pick here if you were to paint that case. 960 00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,800 He's not that great of a pick. He's the number 2. 961 00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,000 Option one. Yeah, he's, he's. 962 00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,120 He's not. I don't think he's a horrendous 963 00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:39,480 pick because you're getting like. 964 00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,080 Whatever. Yeah, you're getting a guy who 965 00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:43,560 was. All right, here's the bull case. 966 00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:47,360 You're getting a dude who was just but a tight end one on a 967 00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:48,880 technicality, but the tight end one. 968 00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,960 As a rookie when we just heard, you know, rookie tight ends 969 00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,520 can't produce. He comes in and immediately is 970 00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,480 the tight end one in fantasy and now you're getting him in the 971 00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,640 third round. That seems pretty good. 972 00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,280 The problem is that all the other tight ends are going 973 00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:08,880 behind him and I think probably have stronger cases to to be the 974 00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:12,480 tight end one this year. So it's I don't, I don't want to 975 00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,840 break the SEAL. Like I like the elite, elite 976 00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,640 tight ends a lot this year. But in part it's because like 977 00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:18,880 I'm getting. I'm getting him. 978 00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,720 After Sam LaPorte, the number 2 on the Lions, I can get the the 979 00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:24,280 number one on the Chiefs still in Travis Kelsey. 980 00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,360 I can get potentially the number one on the Ravens. 981 00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,120 I can get the, you know, if I won a #2, why don't I take Trey 982 00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:30,800 McBride in the in the 4th or 5th. 983 00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,760 Dalton Kincaid might be the number one on the bills. 984 00:47:34,720 --> 00:47:38,280 You know probably, probably not. But like at the worst case I'm 985 00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,120 getting the number 2 on the Bills and you have the number 2 986 00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,640 on the Lions. So I, you know, I like LaPorte. 987 00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:46,560 I think he's very talented. But it does feel a little 988 00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,080 expensive compared to the rest of the position. 989 00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,080 OK. Do you guys know how many just 990 00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:57,120 raw half PPR points Sam LaPorte scored to be the tight end one 991 00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:58,680 last year? Just like don't look, just 992 00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,680 guess, just say a number. Like 100 game or? 993 00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:06,640 Total cumulative. 160, I'm going to 192. 994 00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:11,440 I'll go 180. 196 point. Wow, I hate it. 995 00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:17,600 That. Is like sort of you put that in 996 00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:19,840 context. That was like as many points as 997 00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,640 Jerome Ford scored. Last year, the projections don't 998 00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:24,520 make sense. It's it's just doesn't. 999 00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,720 It's just immaterial what what it is, is. 1000 00:48:26,720 --> 00:48:30,800 He could finish tight end one. He could duplicate last year's 1001 00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,080 performance and just be completely immaterial, you know, 1002 00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,000 Just it just won't matter, you know? 1003 00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:38,680 The other thing is he scored 10 touchdowns. 1004 00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:40,680 His like, expected points. Obviously he's good. 1005 00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:41,880 The Lions are good. All that. 1006 00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,080 He scored four more points and like his usage would indicate #1 1007 00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:49,480 and over expected touchdowns at tight end and he did that. 1008 00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,120 He barely squeaked by as the tight end one. 1009 00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:55,520 So yeah, I don't know, I think it was, Gretch said. 1010 00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,920 Like we got a draft like Boomers a little bit more this year and 1011 00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,600 like sit there, look at the projections and then kind of 1012 00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,280 figure out how we should be drafting. 1013 00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,600 And I think that Sam Laporta is going to be one of the guys when 1014 00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,080 once everyone's posted their projections, it's like wait a 1015 00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,480 minute, why is why is he 1/3 rounder? 1016 00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:13,560 Dude, that's a great call. Actually, it's probably the 1017 00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:17,160 worst time to draft Sam Laporta where like, these aren't as 1018 00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,520 projection driven as they're going to be. 1019 00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,680 And like, Kelsey's going to flip Laporta once. 1020 00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,120 Projections are driving this stuff more right? 1021 00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,920 And he she should. I mean, unless you're completely 1022 00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,120 ignoring the playoff run last year and saying it didn't 1023 00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,800 happen. Kelsey's ceiling versus Laporta. 1024 00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,400 The team, the team thought Kelsey might be done. 1025 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,080 They thought they might have. They thought he, he literally 1026 00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,640 ended his season in practice before the Lions gave. 1027 00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,640 They were they like, you get like, do people remember that? 1028 00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,560 Like, he played with this crazy ankle injury all year there. 1029 00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:54,520 There's like a very real reason why why he had a a bad year. 1030 00:49:54,720 --> 00:49:56,680 I don't think people will remember that, actually, and 1031 00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:57,320 that. I don't think. 1032 00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,040 They do. He didn't play Week 1. 1033 00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,600 And people, again, people don't count the playoff stats, which 1034 00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,200 is always so dumb. I don't get that. 1035 00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,800 But look at Kelsey in the playoffs like he wasn't. 1036 00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:07,760 Just look at. Kelsey in the playoffs like but 1037 00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,800 do look at Kelsey in the playoffs but like he they the 1038 00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,760 team that just won the Super Bowl was like how do how do we 1039 00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,880 get here And it was the answer was Travis Kelsey. 1040 00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,080 Like, this dude is not dumb. Yeah. 1041 00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:23,280 Yeah, I I we have a season long projections in pick em on our 1042 00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:24,480 dog and I was looking at Kelsey's. 1043 00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,680 There's wide receivers who are going ahead of him like Zay 1044 00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:31,120 Flowers who have a lower straight up season long 1045 00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,160 projections than Kelsey does as the tight end. 1046 00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:37,120 Like I don't know it just seems bad like he's still projected 1047 00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,880 for over 1000 yards and there's wide receivers projected from 1048 00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:41,760 the eight hundreds. Are you? 1049 00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,800 Recommending an elite tight end. I'll take. 1050 00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,680 I don't mind Kelsey in the fourth, fifth round standing 1051 00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,320 with. Marc Andrews 5th, come on right. 1052 00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,280 Now he's in the what 4th? Round in the fifth round, we're 1053 00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:53,960 taking Jaden Reed ahead of him. Like what? 1054 00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,160 Exactly. I don't want Jaden Reed either. 1055 00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:58,080 You mean Marc? Andrews. 1056 00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:02,080 That's the point of like Andrews, too, of of the point of 1057 00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:03,640 drafting like a boomer this year. 1058 00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:07,200 Like with tight ends, Like I'm drafting the guys where I've 1059 00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:11,520 seen them be elite for years. Like give me Marc Andrews, give 1060 00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:13,400 me Kelsey. Give me George Kittle. 1061 00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:15,240 I'm I'm OK with trade McBride too. 1062 00:51:15,240 --> 00:51:19,000 But like, man, Dalton Kincaid. Kyle Pitts. 1063 00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,880 Sam Laporta. First, the guys we've just seen 1064 00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,000 do it over and over and over again. 1065 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,520 Like, for me, that's how I'm approaching it. 1066 00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,720 Maybe it's maybe it's drafting like a boomer, I don't know. 1067 00:51:29,720 --> 00:51:33,400 But I just see so many paths of Andrews and Kelsey being the 1068 00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:37,600 elite top passing option on their own teams compared to 1069 00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:43,320 those other guys, so. Yeah, no, I I completely agree 1070 00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,160 and I think tight end is is the position where drafting like a 1071 00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,200 Boomer's generally been like the correct way to go. 1072 00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,920 Like the the tight end breakouts often burn us in a pretty big 1073 00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,680 way. I just said I kind of like 1074 00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,240 Kincaid, but I mean, Kincaid might suck. 1075 00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,680 He had kind of normal tight end efficiency. 1076 00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,360 He might suck as far as the number one wide receiver on a 1077 00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,240 team with tight end eligibility. I mean, by that standards he had 1078 00:52:07,240 --> 00:52:10,440 kind of normal ish tight end efficiency last year. 1079 00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,320 He's going to be asked to step up with no bigger role. 1080 00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,760 I think it gives him a really high ceiling, but he might not 1081 00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,320 be that good, you know, and we we've obviously chased Kyle 1082 00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,880 Pitts for years and years, no ones ever interested in George 1083 00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,120 Kittle. And then he he puts up a few big 1084 00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:27,080 Spike weeks every year. Can't wait to see how Pitts 1085 00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,240 doesn't get there this year. I mean, it's just like, 1086 00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:31,280 incredible. Like, definitely like is. 1087 00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:34,720 Is Pitts going to get hurt? Is it going to be 1100 yards 1088 00:52:34,720 --> 00:52:37,800 with no touchdowns? Is it going to be Rondale Moore 1089 00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:39,560 finally becoming everything we've been? 1090 00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:44,480 Will it be like they trade for a wide receiver 140 Darnell Mooney 1091 00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,840 target like it's just you know he's it's final destination 1092 00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:51,520 style like whatever needs to happen for him to not get there. 1093 00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:56,200 But it is also clearly lining up for him that I I just, I can't 1094 00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:57,600 wait. This is why we play the game. 1095 00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,840 It's why we play the game. How will we get rugged on Kyle 1096 00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:02,600 Pitts this year? It's it's amazing. 1097 00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,600 The guy I hope we don't get rugged on is Jonathan Brooks 1098 00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:08,360 because I've been drafting a ton of him. 1099 00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:13,720 He's up five spots to pick 92. Hayden, where are you at on 1100 00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:17,720 Brooks at this price? Yeah, I think this is another 1101 00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,240 good pick here. I draft him as like my running 1102 00:53:20,240 --> 00:53:22,520 back four. Sometimes we're running back 1103 00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,560 three. I think that he's going to be a 1104 00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,680 little bit capped because the Panthers are so awful. 1105 00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,880 But I think like, he has like pretty good odds of beating this 1106 00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,800 ADP by like a couple rounds. I think like by the end of the 1107 00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,800 season they'll probably be like running back 18 in rankings or 1108 00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,200 something like that, which is rock solid. 1109 00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:43,080 And if he's really, really good, you have the chance of him 1110 00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:46,160 completely breaking out. At least the Panthers addressed 1111 00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,000 their offensive line this offseason. 1112 00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:52,160 But without the ACL, I thought Brooks was very clearly the 1113 00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:53,520 best. Running back in the class, Me 1114 00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:57,400 too. Very clearly and and like in 1115 00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:01,400 ways that like translate very obviously to fantasy points like 1116 00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:05,960 size and catching passes. So I think the ACL stuff 1117 00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,560 happened early in the year is like a clean tear, if you will 1118 00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,440 that I think he'll be out there in the mix starting from week 1119 00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:12,960 one. But it's just the Panthers, 1120 00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:16,160 like, don't have a lot of faith over there. 1121 00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:18,240 I think they have a lot of faith in running the ball, though. 1122 00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:20,280 The Canalis won't stop talking about he wants to run the ball. 1123 00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:21,920 Drafts of running back in the second rounds. 1124 00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:23,560 I think if you're trying, if you're coming into that 1125 00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:27,800 situation, you're like, how am I going to show progress? 1126 00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,200 It's run the ball a lot. You got to run the ball, use 1127 00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,160 Bryce Young on play action stuff, but you can't. 1128 00:54:35,240 --> 00:54:37,320 I don't think you want to feature Bryce Young right now. 1129 00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:38,880 Right. But I think that goes to the 1130 00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:43,280 point where it's like he's got good odds of beating this ADP 1131 00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,800 because he's going to get a bunch of carries and stuff. 1132 00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:48,320 But if the offense is so run first, then you're like, OK, 1133 00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,840 there goes the ceiling, like they're just trying to win six 1134 00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,960 games and trying to put up 20 points each week With a run 1135 00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,280 heavy offense, we're like, OK, now there's less of a ceiling 1136 00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,320 because they they're trying to run the ball so often. 1137 00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:02,280 So yeah, I think he's fine. Like, I think he's like he makes 1138 00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,160 sense in some builds like depending on who the running 1139 00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:07,520 backs you have around him and at least for like this archetype on 1140 00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,200 a bad team, he's at least is a rookie. 1141 00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,840 So there is like the anything could happen with him. 1142 00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:15,240 Yeah, and I do think like the Canalis factor too. 1143 00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:19,240 It obviously goes into how much you weigh coaching in projecting 1144 00:55:19,240 --> 00:55:21,680 performance. But it's been two straight years 1145 00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,080 where Dave Canalis has been on a coaching staff. 1146 00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,600 But going into the season, you're like, this is the worst 1147 00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,080 quarterback in the NFL. They're going to be a disaster. 1148 00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:32,080 And he's made them like league average, maybe even top twelve 1149 00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:33,920 options. You know it was Geno Smith in 1150 00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,920 2022 when he was the quarterbacks coach, I believe in 1151 00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:38,920 Seattle. It was Baker last year. 1152 00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,000 No one was touching Baker. Everyone thought that was going 1153 00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,240 to be a disaster. You know, he led the Bucks to 1154 00:55:43,720 --> 00:55:46,400 having tons of players that had really high fantasy relevance 1155 00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,560 last year. So I don't know, like I guess 1156 00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:53,320 with Bryce Young, I'm, I'm seeing the upside maybe a little 1157 00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:57,560 bit more than you guys are. Like we we've seen this with top 1158 00:55:57,560 --> 00:55:59,960 quarterbacks where they've looked so bad their rookie year. 1159 00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:01,960 Trevor Lawrence is maybe one example. 1160 00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:05,120 You know, Justin Fields obviously never became good but 1161 00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:07,000 got much better than he was as a rookie. 1162 00:56:07,240 --> 00:56:12,280 So I can see Carolina being, you know, the 20th best offense in 1163 00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:15,640 the league, something like that. And maybe that's enough for 1164 00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:17,600 Brooks to to have some upside even. 1165 00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,560 Most Most Improved Player of the Year for Bryce Young, if they 1166 00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:22,480 get to 20th on offense, for sure. 1167 00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:27,640 But I mean, to your point, Sam, like Baker Mayfield was worse in 1168 00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:30,440 this Panthers offense, you know, two years ago. 1169 00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:33,840 And then he gets Canalis and he, he takes a big step forward. 1170 00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,360 So yeah, I mean, maybe I'm underselling kind of what 1171 00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:41,160 Canalis can do a little bit just in, in terms of making this 1172 00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,560 Panthers offense not terrible. And then also maybe they throw 1173 00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:45,000 to Brooks. You know, they just threw to 1174 00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:48,280 Rashad White a lot. Brooks isn't the receiving 1175 00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:51,080 prospect that White was, but he's pretty versatile. 1176 00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:54,480 I think he can get used a fair amount in the receiving game. 1177 00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,440 Brooks is kind of like, maybe it's like sort of like what we 1178 00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:02,960 like wanted DeAndre Swift to be is his upside is, is the kind of 1179 00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,440 the way I see it. But I do wonder, all that said, 1180 00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:09,040 is this the wrong time to be drafting a bunch of Brooks? 1181 00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:13,240 Because I thought after the draft, yes, he he was drafted in 1182 00:57:13,240 --> 00:57:14,800 the second round, but the Panthers stink. 1183 00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,760 Like I thought that might drop him a little bit. 1184 00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,800 He's been a riser, but so many of these rookies have been a 1185 00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:24,280 riser. When, when August drafters come 1186 00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:27,680 in, are they going to go, This is cheap for a running back or 1187 00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:29,880 are they going to go Panthers? Panthers. 1188 00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:30,880 Gross. No thanks. 1189 00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:32,880 You think he goes up? Brooks Brooks goes up. 1190 00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:36,720 You know who comes down? Jalen Warren. 1191 00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,800 Jalen Warren. Jalen Warren Will Warren will 1192 00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:41,960 come down for. Sure, Jalen Warren will come 1193 00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:43,400 down. Chase Brown will. 1194 00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:45,880 Get The problem with waiting to draft Jalen Warren is that he's 1195 00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,360 going to break the season. So you you want you still want 1196 00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:51,000 some now? Sure, yeah. 1197 00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:54,120 I'm not the AFC North running back that's going to break the 1198 00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:56,760 season. But the issue is, is Chase Brown 1199 00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:59,240 is going to catch a screen pass in the preseason. 1200 00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:01,840 You know Gallup 47 yards untouched. 1201 00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:03,440 You might be Amir Abdullah. Yeah, exactly. 1202 00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:06,640 No, literally. We watched the Amir Abdullah 1203 00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:08,320 clip on the show. We did, yeah. 1204 00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:10,520 It was good. It was so. 1205 00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,640 Well, here's the thing about Brooks in where he wanted to do 1206 00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:16,760 truly the ADP chasing. He's gonna start training camp 1207 00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:18,920 on the PUP. We know he's going to start on 1208 00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,080 the pup and his price is going to fall that day. 1209 00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:22,920 At the very least, it means nothing. 1210 00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,240 I'm not saying we need to draft it, but he's going to start 1211 00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:27,720 training him with the pup and be with the pup, Oh no. 1212 00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,240 And then you're going to get, you're going to get him in the 1213 00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:32,800 hundreds for at least a day. I'm almost wondering though that 1214 00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:37,200 that's the assumption and that if we get a little bit of good 1215 00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:40,960 news on him, like what if he doesn't start on the PUP list I? 1216 00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:42,880 Mean it won't matter what's depending that won't. 1217 00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:45,400 Matter the seventh round. That won't matter. 1218 00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:47,800 But but the publicist will move him down. 1219 00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:49,760 You think so? I think everyone's assuming 1220 00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:53,000 assuming that he's. Like, gonna every time I think 1221 00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:54,560 this. Like trying to predict ADP, 1222 00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:57,480 though like every time I think something's baked in, it never 1223 00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:59,240 is. It's never baked in. 1224 00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:00,920 Kirk Cousins might go to the Falcons. 1225 00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:02,800 That seems like at least a 50% chance. 1226 00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,560 Dustin Fields might get traded for a conditional 4th round pick 1227 00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:07,680 goes from quarterback 8th to quarterback 45. 1228 00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,200 It's never even. Yeah, Drake London jumped from 1229 00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:13,280 the 4th to the to the early 2nd on the cousin. 1230 00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,640 None of it was baked in, just not like a 0%. 1231 00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:17,800 It was crazy to me. So anyway, I don't. 1232 00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:20,840 I think, yeah. I think it'll move either, it'll 1233 00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:22,680 move either way. And just on the injury timeline 1234 00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:27,280 stuff, I think Brooks had a surgery December 5th, so a nine 1235 00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,720 month timeline exactly 9 months that would mean return to action 1236 00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:32,440 September 5th, that's like week one. 1237 00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:34,320 I think it could go, it could go either way. 1238 00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:38,080 Whether he's like on the training camp pop or not, I 1239 00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:40,880 think I don't know the the news is is been generally positive 1240 00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:42,960 around that. So we'll see. 1241 00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:45,680 Let's let's move on. I don't think he starts the 1242 00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:48,840 season on pop. So any, like, pup stuff, we Oh 1243 00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:52,360 yeah, yeah, yeah, we attack that, we attack it, but yeah. 1244 00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:54,840 Especially hidden. close your close your ears for a second. 1245 00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:58,200 Especially on DraftKings where he's gonna get that Q tag. 1246 00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:01,360 Oh boy, he's gonna drop. He's gonna drop a bunch on 1247 01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:06,800 DraftKings, yeah. I think Davis is gone for his 1248 01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,680 his TV. No, he's gonna, he's gonna come 1249 01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:11,400 back and then no, he's. Gonna come back? 1250 01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:12,360 Not yet. Yeah, he's. 1251 01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,800 Gonna put on now, can we get the Q tag on underdog? 1252 01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,760 Why? Why can we not just or or even 1253 01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:20,720 better? Can we get can we get 1254 01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:22,360 misinformation on your site please? 1255 01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:28,760 Can we get Rashi rice just can we display it with a red O? 1256 01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,760 Or maybe just put Rashi Rice's name in red? 1257 01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:34,320 No. Like a What about like a jail? 1258 01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:37,000 A jail cell around it. Can we do this emoji? 1259 01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:41,680 Emoji tags would be glorious. Could we? 1260 01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:46,680 Please, I just whatever. How can I use that platform to 1261 01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:49,480 get Ashy right to be like a round 12 pick so that it doesn't 1262 01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:51,960 even matter to my bottom line if he doesn't play this year? 1263 01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,960 All you just need is it's a rain to drop him to 180 in his 1264 01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:57,880 rankings and then see what happens. 1265 01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:03,840 No, sadly, I I mean, I think Cray has sway, but he doesn't 1266 01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:05,560 have Leone sway. What we need is. 1267 01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:06,720 I need. Him on the pod? 1268 01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:10,760 Yeah, I don't. We need we need Leone to nuke 1269 01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:12,640 him from orbit. We need him to rank him behind 1270 01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:14,480 Jonathan Mingo. I I think that's. 1271 01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:18,520 I think that's. Wow, Davis, if if after the 1272 01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:22,000 season I sat you down and was like, hey, listen, Rashi Rice is 1273 01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:25,240 going to have an ADP after Jonathan Mingo, I I would have 1274 01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:26,360 loved it. What's? 1275 01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:29,520 What's he going to do? Well, I I did not. 1276 01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:32,960 I guess maybe I wiped it. We can do rushy corner before I 1277 01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:36,840 leave. I I did not remember that this 1278 01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:38,960 scouting the the character stuff. 1279 01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:41,600 I I don't remember that at all because people would have loved 1280 01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:43,680 to have made the Chiefs jokes. Right. 1281 01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:46,360 Because the Chiefs just they only had draft assholes 1282 01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:49,840 apparently. I I really don't remember any of 1283 01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:50,280 this. Yeah. 1284 01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:52,080 The the I. Don't think these were Yeah. 1285 01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:53,640 So I'll get to what Davis was talking about. 1286 01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:54,400 I don't, Davis. I don't. 1287 01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:56,360 I don't think you're wrong for not remembering it because I 1288 01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:59,440 don't think these are public. But this is from an athletic 1289 01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,440 article. There was an alleged shooting 1290 01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:05,960 incident over a girl that this basketball player at SMU and 1291 01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:07,600 Rashid Rice for both allegedly seeing. 1292 01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:10,920 I don't know, it's all alleged. I always feel a little bit dirty 1293 01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:13,080 about sharing these things because like there was no 1294 01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:15,400 criminal report, there was nothing. 1295 01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:18,600 I do think though like back to the overall Rashid Rice 1296 01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:21,560 situation again, stress is enough. 1297 01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:23,200 I'm not a lawyer, I don't understand how these things 1298 01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:25,920 work. Drew Davenport though, who does 1299 01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:29,600 a lot of good work in sort of analyzing the legal stuff from a 1300 01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:32,800 fantasy perspective. He said that prior criminal 1301 01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:35,440 history is really important in these cases. 1302 01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:38,720 Now I'm not too worried about this pre draft incident but the 1303 01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:43,600 fact that now he has this like new assault incident like while 1304 01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:46,640 he's being charged with felony aggravated assault for the 1305 01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:52,040 driving thing like with the the prosecutors be able to weigh 1306 01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:56,160 this like new charge like I don't know it just seems like 1307 01:02:56,280 --> 01:03:00,600 really bad if sort of your prior history is a factor in these 1308 01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:03,920 type of legal things and then you go out and allegedly punch 1309 01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:06,560 some photographer at a nightclub like that seems like that could 1310 01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:11,120 be factored in to how they view this original incident. 1311 01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:15,080 So again. But the nightclub owner said, of 1312 01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:17,040 course he wasn't drunk. It wasn't really. 1313 01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:19,680 It wasn't like a brawling situation. 1314 01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:22,040 Like, maybe this was just like a business deal gone. 1315 01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:25,520 No, you. Love to trust nightclub owners? 1316 01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:28,240 Of the lit. Of the lit kitchen. 1317 01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:30,480 I mean here's. The account was that he showed 1318 01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:33,560 him Instagram messages on on his own phone. 1319 01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:35,160 This is all hearsay. I don't know. 1320 01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:37,720 But the what what people are saying is that that he showed 1321 01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:41,080 and then he hit him with the with the accusation that he was 1322 01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:44,880 messaging his girlfriend. That's what that's what the 1323 01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:47,120 accusation was, that he basically was like come back 1324 01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:50,360 here and then he's like I'm showing him the messages 1325 01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:52,920 allegedly. And then that's where that's 1326 01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:55,240 where the incident occurred. So it wasn't. 1327 01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:59,200 And the fact that he wasn't drinking is potentially a red 1328 01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:02,560 flag, no. No, I think you're dead sober. 1329 01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:04,280 You do that. That's got to be mitigating. 1330 01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:05,960 That has to be mitigating. I don't know. 1331 01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:08,160 It's not that's that's you sober. 1332 01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:13,000 It doesn't seem great to me. Can we just just six games, NFL 1333 01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:15,520 Six games. Let let six games. 1334 01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:19,080 Here, here's the other thing I want to point out that came out 1335 01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:20,960 today that this was also from The Athletic. 1336 01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:22,840 I didn't see many people talking about this. 1337 01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:25,680 This was another big thing that Drew was talking about, like how 1338 01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:29,080 bad the injuries are really matter for this felony 1339 01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:32,280 aggravated assault charge. It has to be serious bodily 1340 01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:34,160 injury. Here's the description of the 1341 01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:37,400 injuries from The Athletic. The injuries include, quote, 1342 01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:40,960 trauma to the brain lacerations to the face requiring requiring 1343 01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:44,360 stitches, multiple conclusions about the body disfigurement, 1344 01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:47,160 internal bleeding and other internal and external injuries. 1345 01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:51,200 dot dot dot, like that sounds potentially a lot like serious 1346 01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:54,600 bodily injury to me. So there there was some stuff 1347 01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:57,000 initially that's like, oh it's just like these guys got 1348 01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:58,640 scratches. It's not a big deal. 1349 01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:00,480 I don't know. According to The Athletic, there 1350 01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:02,960 were some really serious injuries in this car crash. 1351 01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:07,280 So again that seems really bad and I have generally been on 1352 01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:10,680 like the rice is OK at a discount thing, but I do think 1353 01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:14,120 we are doing some coping in like just any piece of bad news. 1354 01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:16,160 We're like, Oh yeah, another great Rashid Rice buying 1355 01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:18,240 opportunity. Like at some point we got to 1356 01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:20,960 look at these things like. The call the call does not look 1357 01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:23,320 inside my house. The call I can't. 1358 01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:28,360 It's like what do I do when the the the round is 8 and it's 1359 01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:31,760 Christian Watson or Rashi Rice? I mean, what am I supposed to do 1360 01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:34,400 really? Poem the round is 8. 1361 01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:40,040 The haiku. Like, what am I really supposed 1362 01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:41,240 to just be like? I don't know. 1363 01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:44,080 I guess I'll just be scared. I don't know. 1364 01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:46,480 Here's what I wanted to say about Rishi Rice. 1365 01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:50,600 What if a lot of his production was because there was not 1366 01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:53,000 another wide receiver on the field that was able to do 1367 01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:54,760 anything? We all agree this is the case. 1368 01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:57,160 That his numbers are not nearly as good. 1369 01:05:57,160 --> 01:05:58,360 Yeah, like the. Yeah, they're fake. 1370 01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:00,400 They're fake numbers and now he has like legit target 1371 01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:01,640 competition. So even if he's not. 1372 01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:03,480 What if it's not legit target competition? 1373 01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:07,120 I think it is though. I do too, but what if it's not? 1374 01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:09,320 Yeah, I'm with that argument here a couple times. 1375 01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:12,040 Yeah, he he had really, he had a pretty low first read target 1376 01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:13,520 rate. So the to the extent that it was 1377 01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:18,160 fake, it was fake after someone else didn't get open for them, 1378 01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:20,960 you know, so and maybe, maybe. And that's that's an issue. 1379 01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:26,400 Yeah, I think it's potentially an issue, but normally under 1380 01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:29,760 normal circumstances we would expect the Chiefs to call a lot 1381 01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:31,560 more plays with Rishi. Rice's the first read in his 1382 01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:34,040 second season after the rookie season that he just had the 1383 01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:36,400 issue. Does that not happen now because 1384 01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:38,360 he's not really part of the plan. 1385 01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:41,040 So that so I agree with. I think it creates a much lower 1386 01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:44,440 floor than you would typically see for a player with his rookie 1387 01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:48,840 season. But I mean I also think the fact 1388 01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:51,160 that he was able to earn on that volume without a lot of first 1389 01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:53,720 read looks is extremely bullish in terms of like his ability to 1390 01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:55,600 show chemistry with with Mahomes. 1391 01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:57,000 I just. Think it was like Mahomes is 1392 01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:59,440 going to get his regardless and there was literally nobody to 1393 01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:01,560 throw the ball to. So like somebody was going to 1394 01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:03,400 look good. Now, I think Rashi Rice is a 1395 01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:07,920 decent player, but I mean the way that he was used really 1396 01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:10,960 close to the line of scrimmage, like anything beyond that is a 1397 01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:16,040 mystery and I I think. That that's still Andy Reid 1398 01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:19,440 still wants to have all of that. It like that's not going out of 1399 01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:22,760 the Andy Reid offense. Even if Xavier Worthy and 1400 01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:25,880 Hollywood Brown are amazing, they're the the this close to 1401 01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:27,680 the line of scrimmage up is not going anywhere. 1402 01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:31,680 But, but like, I think to like be like a very legit wide 1403 01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:33,800 receiver, you're going to need to do more than what Rasheed 1404 01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:37,800 Rice was doing now that we have Hollywood Brown and Xavier 1405 01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:40,600 Worthy and and I view Xavier Worthy just as a straight up, 1406 01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:42,960 way better player. Oh Xavier Worthy. 1407 01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:45,680 Xavier Worthy is my new replacement for favorite. 1408 01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:47,720 Click on the board now that I'm pretty sure Rashi Rice is 1409 01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:51,840 getting suspended 6 games. Yeah, maybe he's a better 1410 01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:53,760 player. But like, the fact that Rashi 1411 01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:58,600 Rice went out there and was like open a bunch of times when no 1412 01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:03,880 one else was is like, is huge. It's hard to overstate how 1413 01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:07,040 important that is compared to a guy who's got, like some serious 1414 01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:09,720 flags in his profile in in Xavier Worthy. 1415 01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:13,240 Like, this dude was really inefficient on deep targets. 1416 01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:14,400 I know a bunch of those were inaccurate. 1417 01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:16,040 I know he had a broken hand his second year. 1418 01:08:16,279 --> 01:08:19,520 But like, you know, he was really productive as a freshman. 1419 01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:23,279 Most of his best stuff is really kind of more more gadgety 1420 01:08:23,279 --> 01:08:26,040 things. He's like 108 lbs. 1421 01:08:26,399 --> 01:08:29,240 You know, like, there's there's ways that this doesn't work out. 1422 01:08:29,279 --> 01:08:32,200 And we look back and we're like, Oh yeah, you ran the fastest 40 1423 01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:35,240 ever because you are like, too small to actually play outside 1424 01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:38,160 receiver in the NFL. So I don't know. 1425 01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:39,880 I mean, like, as a prospect, it's not close. 1426 01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:42,479 It's if you're worthy, like by a bunch. 1427 01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:45,240 But Rice is right. I'm just more impressed by 1428 01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:49,279 Rice's rookie season, I think. Yeah, I I think my fear is I 1429 01:08:49,279 --> 01:08:52,479 think you can pretty much lock in a six game suspension at the 1430 01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:55,600 minimum now. And that's what I don't know, 1431 01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:58,319 that that's kind of what people are saying. 1432 01:08:58,319 --> 01:09:00,680 And I think it makes sense given what's happened this offseason. 1433 01:09:01,279 --> 01:09:04,920 You say can. You ask you a few guys whether 1434 01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:07,160 or not you're who you're taking here, yeah. 1435 01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,080 Do this for the next 13 1/2 minutes. 1436 01:09:14,279 --> 01:09:16,479 'Cause we're getting to the point where now we're talking 1437 01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:22,200 about JSN or Rashid Rice. Come on, I'm I'd probably take 1438 01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:24,279 JSN. I'm taking JSN. 1439 01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:26,640 You're taking JSN? Yeah. 1440 01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:31,279 OK, we're looking at Christian Watson or Rashid Rice. 1441 01:09:32,319 --> 01:09:33,560 I want Watson. Jimmy Watson. 1442 01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:36,600 Deante Johnson or Rashid Rice? Oh, geez. 1443 01:09:37,399 --> 01:09:41,479 Probably Rashid there. Yeah, yeah, Deonte scares me. 1444 01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:45,920 OK, yeah, that feels fair to me. I'm I was. 1445 01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:48,600 I'm kind of shocked that you were willing to say JSN soon. 1446 01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:53,600 I've I've been a little, I've been a little JSN pilled 1447 01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:54,200 recently. What? 1448 01:09:56,440 --> 01:09:58,520 Dude, please elaborate. That often's gonna finish. 1449 01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:02,120 I'm gonna say top 3IN air yards in top five in past attempts 1450 01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:03,280 this year. That's gonna be my my 1451 01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:04,880 prediction. Seahawks are gonna do complete 1452 01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:09,760 180 here. So I I want to go back to to JSN 1453 01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:13,840 last year like it it turned into a bit of me hitting JSN so much. 1454 01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:17,280 But all I was saying last year is that Tyler Lockett and DK 1455 01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:21,480 Metcalf are good and this guy broke his wrist like a week ago. 1456 01:10:21,480 --> 01:10:23,960 Like maybe we shouldn't be taking him in in the fifth 1457 01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:26,240 round. Like I wasn't prognosticating 1458 01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:28,280 like JSN is some massive boss as a player. 1459 01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:30,400 I'm just like price doesn't make sense to me. 1460 01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:34,920 I'm out now, year two. We do finally get the discount 1461 01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:39,640 that pick 85 or whatever. I'm willing. 1462 01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:43,320 I'm willing to give JSN a second chance at that price. 1463 01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:45,400 He's definitely not something I'm going to be like targeting. 1464 01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:49,200 But I think yeah, with pose the question him versus Rishi Rice, 1465 01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:51,920 I think I'd take JSN. What about, like, the running 1466 01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:57,640 backs in that range, like Samir White, Romandre Stephenson? 1467 01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:00,640 You're taking those dudes ahead. I I feel like at that point it's 1468 01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:02,640 just so structured dependent. It's hard to say. 1469 01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:07,160 In a vacuum, yeah, yeah. In a vacuum, probably, yes. 1470 01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:08,480 Like Romandre. Yes. 1471 01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:12,680 Yeah. I kind of like that to your 1472 01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:14,080 receivers. You get all those rookies in 1473 01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:18,440 there JSN second year breakout, then like Cortland, Sutton's 1474 01:11:18,440 --> 01:11:19,800 still the number one on his team. 1475 01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:22,440 OK, so you're in on Sutton. No one's in on Sutton. 1476 01:11:22,440 --> 01:11:25,280 I can't get, I can't get any bites on Sutton as a good pick. 1477 01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:27,920 I think he's a good pick. Son's a guy that you can take, 1478 01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:29,640 but you you shouldn't be openly touting him. 1479 01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:31,800 I mean that's. I mean, yeah, those are the best 1480 01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:33,440 these. 2 gross we're seeing, we know it's gross. 1481 01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:40,320 Those are the best picks. Yeah, Speaking of guys. 1482 01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:43,600 You openly touted Austin Hooper. We can't tell. 1483 01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:49,080 Speaking of guys you get openly shamed for touting, Josh Jacobs 1484 01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:53,800 has fallen 6 picks. Pick 37 We've done a little bit 1485 01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:56,280 of Josh Jacobs on the show already, so we'll keep it quick, 1486 01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:59,240 but Hayden I. Know your promises that we keep 1487 01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:02,440 this quick, actually. Hayden Why? 1488 01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:03,960 Why is Josh Jacobs a good pick here? 1489 01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:07,560 So I think the Packers are just going to be really good this 1490 01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:10,280 year, just the way that they closed last year. 1491 01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:13,560 And I get Marshawn Lloyd's like a fun pick to you. 1492 01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:16,880 I I dropped some Marshawn Lloyd, but I think there's like some 1493 01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:20,080 schematic reasons why they want Josh Jacobs. 1494 01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:23,480 Like if you look at what the Shanahan tree is doing, McVeigh 1495 01:12:23,480 --> 01:12:25,400 included. Like they're changing from like 1496 01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:29,080 zone based offenses to like power gap based offenses and 1497 01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:30,600 that's what Josh Jacobs is good at. 1498 01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:32,640 And we just saw this with Kyron Williams. 1499 01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:36,040 We've seen this with Christian McCaffrey and there's like some 1500 01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:39,640 reasons why they chose Josh Jacobs over Aaron Jones. 1501 01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:42,440 And Aaron Jones, like historically, has been in a 1502 01:12:42,440 --> 01:12:45,160 committee. But the floor wants to get the 1503 01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:48,520 running backs really involved. And Josh Jacobs just way bigger 1504 01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:50,720 than Aaron Jones. I think there's a chance that he 1505 01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:55,960 absorbs more of the kind of share of that backfield. 1506 01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:59,440 And yeah, now he's in the fourth round, so even though I rank him 1507 01:12:59,440 --> 01:13:01,280 higher, I still only draft him right next to ADP. 1508 01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:04,240 So yeah, I'm totally fine with him dropping. 1509 01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:08,320 I think that the Packers, they drafted a first round lineman. 1510 01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:11,080 The team is projected for a bunch of wins this year. 1511 01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:14,400 They were one of the best offenses from like week 12 on 1512 01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:16,840 last year. I think Lafleur is a fantastic 1513 01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:19,240 coach and I think that the way that they're trying to move the 1514 01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:22,920 offense like in general makes sense why they signed Josh 1515 01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:26,440 Jacobs to a big contract. And the other thing I've seen 1516 01:13:26,440 --> 01:13:30,000 Josh Jacobs be a top five ish overall fantasy asset like just 1517 01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:31,800 two years ago. So it's not like this is 1518 01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:34,280 completely absurd here. Like last year was really bad, 1519 01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:39,840 which we should factor indefinitely, but he was just as 1520 01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:44,160 good the year before. Fantasy points above replacement 1521 01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:48,080 was like at plus 20%. Last year was like a -15%. 1522 01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:52,600 So we've seen him kind of get to that baseline level and then the 1523 01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:55,400 Aaron Jones workloads like plenty enough for Josh Jacobs to 1524 01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:57,640 be a top 10 running back this year. 1525 01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:00,200 That makes sense. And I wanted to show this 1526 01:14:00,480 --> 01:14:02,320 quickly and then I'll let you chime in Korean. 1527 01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:06,400 In terms of like getting to his career baseline, Ryan Heath of 1528 01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:07,880 Fantasy Points pulled this together. 1529 01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:11,560 He basically compared PPR scoring versus sort of a 1530 01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:14,840 player's opportunities and looked at last year's 1531 01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:18,440 differential, that's that diff column versus the career 1532 01:14:18,440 --> 01:14:21,280 differential. Josh Jacobs was was obviously 1533 01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:25,160 terrible last year but his career different differential is 1534 01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:28,240 much closer to a guy who just kind of gets what the 1535 01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:30,440 opportunities are that's laid out for him. 1536 01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:33,400 And I'm. I'm willing to say that like man 1537 01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:36,920 he's been on pretty bad teams his whole career. 1538 01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:40,560 A lot of running back efficiency stats I think do come down to 1539 01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:43,480 teams not the player. So I definitely see the case 1540 01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:46,200 there. I I am also a bit worried about 1541 01:14:46,480 --> 01:14:48,600 the Marshawn law and stuff. But yeah, curious. 1542 01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:52,520 Curious where your thoughts are are Crane on whether Jacobs can 1543 01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:55,920 you know beat this price at pick 37 or pick 30. 1544 01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:57,240 Yeah, pick 37. Sorry. 1545 01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:00,240 Yeah, I mean I think he definitely can beat the price at 1546 01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:02,880 pick 37. I don't think he's a bad pick. 1547 01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:06,600 You know at the end of the third round, I think he's he's like 1548 01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:09,880 totally fine there. I don't think he's a priority 1549 01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:13,160 because he's coming off a very inefficient season. 1550 01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:17,440 It's like chronic crazy how inefficient he actually was. 1551 01:15:18,480 --> 01:15:21,040 He was like worse than AJ Dillon. 1552 01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:24,480 You know you look at the the rush yards over expected. 1553 01:15:24,480 --> 01:15:28,280 This the stats that I was referencing earlier in success 1554 01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:33,640 rate with James Cook, he had a success rate of 35%. 1555 01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:37,480 That was behind Tony Pollard, behind Jerome Ford, behind 1556 01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:42,040 Kareem Hunt, Austin Eckler. He was pretty poor and rush 1557 01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:45,600 hour's over expected as well. Left 86 yards on the field there 1558 01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:49,680 only better than Kamara Hunt, Jamal Williams and Rashad White 1559 01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:56,480 behind guys like AJ Dillon, Zeke Elliott, Miles Sanders, Austin 1560 01:15:56,480 --> 01:15:59,360 Eckler. Alexander Madison, Tony Pollard. 1561 01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:01,720 I mean it was it was bad. It was really, really bad. 1562 01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:06,840 And I think like if you're looking at a guy who I think is 1563 01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:10,280 probably going to have like middling to OK efficiency. 1564 01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:13,120 There's just a ton of those guys. 1565 01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:16,320 You know you can get like David Montgomery, you can get Najee 1566 01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:17,640 Harris. You know you're. 1567 01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:20,720 I think he does represent a pretty big premium on the 1568 01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:22,880 Packers bet which could certainly pay off. 1569 01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:28,320 But I just have a hard time thinking about him as like, you 1570 01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:33,400 know, one of the keys to the season, in part because Lafleur 1571 01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:36,680 has not talked about him as like a workhorse, Like Coach Peak 1572 01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:39,360 Index has a quote. You guys know how I feel 1573 01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:41,280 philosophically. I think you have to have 1574 01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:43,840 multiple backs in this league. I don't see it really changing 1575 01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:46,040 much in terms of how we want to use our backs. 1576 01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:48,760 And then the Coach Peak Index takeaways that he thinks he's 1577 01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:50,200 basically going to be in the Aaron Jones role. 1578 01:16:50,480 --> 01:16:54,320 Aaron Jones is an explosive runner and an awesome receiver. 1579 01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:56,920 Josh Jacobs, even at his best, I don't think was as good as Aaron 1580 01:16:56,920 --> 01:17:00,800 Jones was at his best. So just like I'm getting like a 1581 01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:05,720 less exciting player in the same role as Aaron Jones again in the 1582 01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:08,400 third, fourth round. I don't, I don't hate it at all. 1583 01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:10,760 I mean, you can kind of like, lock up the touches. 1584 01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:14,520 It's like pretty well priced. But that's why I pushed back on 1585 01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:16,400 the idea that, like somehow this is a missed price. 1586 01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:19,760 The other thing though, is we're everyone's assuming now that he 1587 01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:23,800 is either average or below average inefficiency. 2 years 1588 01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:25,840 ago he was pretty. Pretty. 1589 01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:27,040 Yeah, it was awesome too. Yeah, it was. 1590 01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:30,360 Awesome too and and like looking at like I posted on Twitter, 1591 01:17:30,440 --> 01:17:33,360 David Montgomery before and after when you're on the Bears 1592 01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:35,360 versus the Lions, like the efficiency just goes immediately 1593 01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:37,320 way up. So like there is a chance that 1594 01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:39,920 the efficiency just gets way better with Josh Jacobs. 1595 01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:43,480 And I saw somebody was asking about percentage of carries in a 1596 01:17:43,480 --> 01:17:45,760 stack box and I just looked at him real quick. 1597 01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:51,640 Josh Jacobs had 83 carries into eight or nine defenders in the 1598 01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:53,880 box, which is that's an absurd amount. 1599 01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:57,120 And on them he only averaged 1.9 yards per attempt. 1600 01:17:57,400 --> 01:18:00,040 So the Raiders were just like not giving this up, like we're 1601 01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:03,640 going to run it right into eight or nine or ten defenders in the 1602 01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:06,080 box and we're just going to keep doing it even though it's not 1603 01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:07,720 working. So I think there could be some 1604 01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:10,120 reasons we're like, all right, Matt Lafleur is not going to do 1605 01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:13,680 that. Maybe the other Raiders OCS that 1606 01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:15,160 keep getting fired, they would do that. 1607 01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:17,760 But Luke. Getsy's down, Luke. 1608 01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:19,200 Getsy's gonna try it. Yeah. 1609 01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:22,320 So yeah, I think, I think Zamir White, this thing could flip 1610 01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:25,080 where? Yeah, this could be Josh. 1611 01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:27,520 This could be Josh Mcdaniel's stat from last year. 1612 01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:30,600 This could have been like once Mcdaniel's got fired, maybe the 1613 01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:33,240 new OC did a little bit of a better job with Samir White than 1614 01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:35,800 Josh Jacobs. I I do think it is like at least 1615 01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:38,750 worrying you compare this Samir White to Josh Jacobs stuff head 1616 01:18:38,747 --> 01:18:43,240 to I got different coaches over the period of times they were 1617 01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:46,600 playing Jacob's. Got some of Antonio Pierce? 1618 01:18:47,440 --> 01:18:51,560 Yeah he got some I mean but yeah I I am kind of more in the 1619 01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:54,160 ballpark that like these efficiency stats running backs 1620 01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:57,640 like fluctuates so wildly year to year that I don't look into 1621 01:18:57,640 --> 01:19:00,720 them too too much. And yeah my other point was 1622 01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:03,760 Korean I I get the the Aaron Jones role point. 1623 01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:06,400 I think the big difference from the Josh Jacobs versus the Aaron 1624 01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:10,200 Jones role is it it could be like similar in terms of a snap 1625 01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:15,040 share split from Jacobs to Lloyd then Jones to Dillon. 1626 01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:18,440 But it could be Jacobs with like 100% of the goal line work. 1627 01:19:18,440 --> 01:19:20,600 Whereas what was always frustrating with Aaron Jones 1628 01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:24,640 right is AJ Dillon was taking 50 ish percent of that right. 1629 01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:28,960 So again on a team and Marshawn. Lloyd's more the Aaron Jones 1630 01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:31,720 type of. That's the big thing, yeah. 1631 01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:35,800 Marshawn Lloyd is like low success rate, really high 1632 01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:39,320 explosives. Like, I think it would be a lot 1633 01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:43,120 for Marshawn Lloyd to like, like be the number one by the end of 1634 01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:44,880 the season. Just be like the style runner. 1635 01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:48,320 Like there's a a trust factor that most coaches haven't given. 1636 01:19:48,440 --> 01:19:50,400 So he's a little Ronald Jonesy isn't. 1637 01:19:50,480 --> 01:19:53,640 He, I mean, he's so Ronald Jonesy and the best way is in 1638 01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:55,400 the worst ways. But I think like that type of 1639 01:19:55,400 --> 01:19:58,000 profile is like maybe we do the thing with like Jalen Warren. 1640 01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:00,720 We're like, wow, on his 100 touches, he looks pretty damn 1641 01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:02,920 good now. We should get him more involved 1642 01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:05,440 going forward, not like. And then he continues to look 1643 01:20:05,440 --> 01:20:07,280 really good. Yeah, and then he looks really 1644 01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:08,480 good. And then we're we're ready to 1645 01:20:08,480 --> 01:20:10,120 party. But I'm not sure if Marshawn 1646 01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:12,440 Lloyd has, like, immediately earned trust. 1647 01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:15,760 Yeah. Yeah, this is a point that 1648 01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:17,520 everyone will hate but like. Probably not. 1649 01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:19,880 Like I, I worry about his ability to earn trust. 1650 01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:21,800 Right. And then in a Roto type of way, 1651 01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:25,360 the opposite, like even when Jacobs is not good, I mean 1652 01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:27,600 Antonio Pierce loves Josh Jacobs. 1653 01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:30,080 Like he, Josh Jacobs is like the trust guy I've. 1654 01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:32,960 Called him Fancy Devin Singletary, which is obviously a 1655 01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:36,040 little derogatory, but it's also like Devin, you know, who earns 1656 01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:37,200 trust? Devin Singletary. 1657 01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:42,160 Yeah. Yeah, let's move on here to 1658 01:20:42,440 --> 01:20:45,920 Drake, May. Even though he completed 38 of 1659 01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:49,880 39 passes in practice today, he's still down 17 spots. 1660 01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:54,160 I I don't know how this is. Clearly underdog drafters are 1661 01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:56,240 not grinding the news like we are. 1662 01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:00,520 Crane, are you still? Are you still taking the Drake? 1663 01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:02,520 May oh, I'm back in. I'm back in, baby. 1664 01:21:02,520 --> 01:21:07,080 This, this new price. I mean this dude is like he's 1665 01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:10,040 like Justin Herbert with a more aggressive mindset like that's 1666 01:21:10,040 --> 01:21:12,400 now I'm you know is he gonna turn out to be as good as 1667 01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:13,120 Herbert. No. 1668 01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:16,160 He's gonna be Blake Bortles but it's gonna be fun it's gonna be 1669 01:21:16,160 --> 01:21:17,720 fun this year. Yeah. 1670 01:21:18,480 --> 01:21:22,720 I'm I'm excited about Drake may like at A at a big discount I I 1671 01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:25,680 took him a ton in the big board you're getting you're getting a 1672 01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:28,360 little bit of that you know what if the Vikings trade up what if 1673 01:21:28,360 --> 01:21:31,600 the the commanders take him Obviously that doesn't happen 1674 01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:35,360 those those shares are a little less fun but I think he's he's 1675 01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:39,000 the number three overall pick they refused the Vikings were 1676 01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:42,080 begging them to come up and get him they refused to trade down 1677 01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:44,840 then they're going to bench him behind Jacoby Brissett for you 1678 01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:47,080 know half a season I doubt it you know I think he's he's 1679 01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:50,560 getting out on the field fairly quickly and I still just 1680 01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:53,160 maintain the biggest part of this people just don't get how 1681 01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:54,840 fantasy friendly this guy's skill set is. 1682 01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:57,480 He's big. He's very willing as a 1683 01:21:57,480 --> 01:22:00,320 scrambler. He runs around the goal line and 1684 01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:03,440 he throws deep. He throws deep willingly and 1685 01:22:03,440 --> 01:22:06,120 pretty well his big time throws on on deep balls were very 1686 01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:08,920 impressive. So I'm into the Drake May 1687 01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:12,240 fantasy friendly skill set more than anything else. 1688 01:22:12,240 --> 01:22:15,280 And then it also helps if you're running out of if you need a 1689 01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:17,200 backdoor stack, nothing is easier. 1690 01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:21,520 You get Jalen Bulk, you get Antonio Gibson, you take Baker, 1691 01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:23,800 Henry Bourne. You can't even get boxed out. 1692 01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:25,560 You can take KJ Osborne at the end. 1693 01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:27,480 If you get boxed out, it's like it's impossible. 1694 01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:29,880 It's impossible. I'm just drafting all the 1695 01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:31,920 Patriots. What's a What's a better What's 1696 01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:34,560 a better backdoor stack? If you're trying to win $1.5 1697 01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:39,400 million on underdog.com, Justin Fields and Roman Wilson or Drake 1698 01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:41,640 May and Hunter Henry, which which side are you taking? 1699 01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:42,200 Drake. May and. 1700 01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:45,680 Hunter Henry, come on. I was doing this with Mac Jones 1701 01:22:45,680 --> 01:22:47,680 last year. Hand up I was Devante Parker. 1702 01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:50,040 Well, no, I was I I I was trying. 1703 01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:56,360 To see that AMC, yeah. I was trying to craft a a tweet 1704 01:22:56,360 --> 01:22:57,880 this morning. I couldn't quite figure out the 1705 01:22:57,880 --> 01:23:00,640 right words, but I was like it was like year four of drafting a 1706 01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:03,720 Patriots quarterback in round 17 and one of their loser pass 1707 01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:06,840 catchers in round 18. But surely this will be the year 1708 01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:08,080 at work it? Has to work this year. 1709 01:23:08,240 --> 01:23:10,960 It has to work this year. Here's the thing that's I think 1710 01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:14,240 not not very known about my fantasy game is I'm a Patriots 1711 01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:15,960 man. I'm not that vocal about it and 1712 01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:19,960 my Patriots bias like seeps into my fantasy drafting even though, 1713 01:23:19,960 --> 01:23:22,280 like, I pretend it doesn't. Like every year. 1714 01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:24,960 I just like, wow, I I just love this Mack Jones, Hunter Henry 1715 01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:26,440 late round stack. It's so good this year. 1716 01:23:26,440 --> 01:23:28,400 I'm like Romandra in the seventh round. 1717 01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:29,960 Like might as well draft him every time. 1718 01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:35,160 I mean, I don't really know how it is 30% Devante Parker, other 1719 01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:37,720 than being a Patriots fan. No, it's just it's so deep 1720 01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:40,720 inside me that I like denied that the bias is there, but it 1721 01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:45,440 just went every year. So how much may you get? 1722 01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:48,160 Yeah, yeah, I'm doing. I'm not going to KJ Osborne, but 1723 01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:50,720 I'll draft May and all. Right, maybe all this went too 1724 01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:52,640 far there. I think you went too far there, 1725 01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:55,800 But yeah, give me Douglas Baker. Oh, Douglas. 1726 01:23:55,880 --> 01:23:57,160 Yeah. Oh God, there's so. 1727 01:23:57,240 --> 01:24:00,200 Many Oh, well, OK, well, while we have noted Chargers fan 1728 01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:03,520 Hayden winks on the program, can I just what What's your personal 1729 01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:06,880 opinion on what Harbaugh's plan for Quinton Johnson is? 1730 01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:11,400 Oh, Quinton. Punk Gunner. 1731 01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:13,600 Well guys, they changed the kick return rule. 1732 01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:17,880 You guys, you know that, right? Well, if I'll tell you this, if 1733 01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:22,360 DJ Shark is starting at a single snap over Quinn Johnson, it is 1734 01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:25,720 so over. For oh, it's DJ Shark is like 1735 01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:28,800 the Dementor for failed first round wide receiver prospects. 1736 01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:32,040 Sorry, 1 snap where Shark is playing over QJ. 1737 01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:35,720 It's a complete sell. So that's the only thing I know 1738 01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:36,320 about that. That's. 1739 01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:39,880 So fucking funny, because he just did it to Minko. 1740 01:24:40,440 --> 01:24:41,400 And he just said it's over, Yeah. 1741 01:24:42,440 --> 01:24:45,440 And he did it to did he do it? To Jameson Williams, too. 1742 01:24:45,440 --> 01:24:48,880 He did it to Jameson Williams. Yeah, he's the. 1743 01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:50,760 The one meme. Oh. 1744 01:24:51,200 --> 01:24:54,640 Yeah, if you're Yeah, if you're not better than DJ Shark, you 1745 01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:56,160 might be. Terrible. 1746 01:24:56,200 --> 01:24:58,240 Well, I guess. I guess this is where I should 1747 01:24:58,240 --> 01:25:01,640 go hand up I I'm I'm like drafting like Uncorrelated 1748 01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:06,760 Unstacked Quinton Johnson. Because what if you know what? 1749 01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:08,840 He was. He was good against Michigan in 1750 01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:09,280 college. Right. 1751 01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:11,360 Really hoping you had something stronger. 1752 01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:12,840 Than. What if? 1753 01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:17,040 I guess the the what if the what if the the real life what if 1754 01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:21,280 would be we used to have much different aging curve 1755 01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:24,200 expectations for wide receivers. Rookie wide receivers would play 1756 01:25:24,480 --> 01:25:30,680 and suck a lot, and I'm kind of ready for a wave of us being 1757 01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:34,560 wrong about guys in year one and then going way too far and 1758 01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:37,160 leaving them for dead. And then in year two, they 1759 01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:39,720 rebound to some degree, I mean. It works for Jalen Rigger, 1760 01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:41,000 right? It's not going to. 1761 01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:43,080 That's the thing. The thing that's so different 1762 01:25:43,080 --> 01:25:45,840 now is, is rookie wide receivers play all the time. 1763 01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:48,680 So it's going to happen. It's going to happen way less 1764 01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:53,040 often, but you know. Yeah, I mean in. 1765 01:25:53,320 --> 01:25:54,840 I think it's not a bad point, Davis. 1766 01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:57,320 I mean. It's it's a pretty bad point 1767 01:25:57,320 --> 01:26:04,240 because I don't really believe it but but so The thing is is he 1768 01:26:04,240 --> 01:26:07,080 might be better than the dust balls on his team like Josh 1769 01:26:07,080 --> 01:26:11,200 Palmer stinks you know. Glad Mcconkey. 1770 01:26:11,400 --> 01:26:14,760 I just like I saw the clip of him wearing the mushroom helmet. 1771 01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:16,240 The other. Day and that was so bad. 1772 01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:19,360 It was so bad. They are not doing him any 1773 01:26:19,360 --> 01:26:21,680 favors, letting him get photographed and videoed in the 1774 01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:25,480 mushroom helmet. And to me, Quinton Johnston was 1775 01:26:25,480 --> 01:26:30,080 like very developmental in my opinion, like a lot of his 1776 01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:32,200 production, including that Michigan, Michigan game, it was 1777 01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:36,040 like play action, deep post coverage bus and he picks up a 1778 01:26:36,040 --> 01:26:38,600 bunch of yards and then there was some screens and then he 1779 01:26:38,600 --> 01:26:40,840 would, he had the athletic skills to make the first guy 1780 01:26:40,840 --> 01:26:44,360 miss and then run out of bounds. Like to me, there was a work in 1781 01:26:44,360 --> 01:26:47,440 progress to kind of filter in between the two of those things 1782 01:26:47,440 --> 01:26:51,040 and he had the athletic tools to do that and he was a young 1783 01:26:51,040 --> 01:26:53,200 player where like eventually maybe. 1784 01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:55,440 He can, and you can tell when he's not thinking. 1785 01:26:55,480 --> 01:26:58,600 He's actually pretty good. Remember the like 85 yard catch 1786 01:26:58,600 --> 01:27:01,240 from Easton Stick? Like when he's just in the 1787 01:27:01,240 --> 01:27:04,080 decision, when he's not having to make any decisions and it's 1788 01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:06,280 just bullets flying, he's all right. 1789 01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:09,640 But that's not really the way the game is played anymore. 1790 01:27:09,640 --> 01:27:10,960 I don't. Think he's going to be a volume 1791 01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:12,840 guy. I think the best case scenario 1792 01:27:12,840 --> 01:27:15,320 is. 10 touchdowns. Play action, play action, deep 1793 01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:17,000 shots. Herbert's just throwing absolute 1794 01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:19,520 missiles. He has two catches for 80 yards 1795 01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:22,200 and we get Jameson Williams type of stuff. 1796 01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:25,200 I feel like that would be. A wide receiver 67, yeah, that's 1797 01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:27,800 like, I think I can. I think because I I don't want 1798 01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:29,560 to have any Palmer really at all. 1799 01:27:30,280 --> 01:27:33,840 It's Sharks second season is is the the upside case really 1800 01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:36,080 right. Like he bombed his rookie season 1801 01:27:36,080 --> 01:27:39,800 second round pick and then he was kind of awesome. 1802 01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:41,800 He was like, you know we were like psyched to play this dude 1803 01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:43,320 in DFS. He looked like he was an 1804 01:27:43,320 --> 01:27:47,680 emerging maybe not like superstar but like one of the 1805 01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:49,440 like a good young wide receiver in the league. 1806 01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:51,800 And then that was ended up being kind of the flash in the plan 1807 01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:53,200 pan only season that really mattered. 1808 01:27:53,200 --> 01:27:56,040 But I think it's definitely possible. 1809 01:27:57,200 --> 01:27:59,000 Yeah, I mean the the Charger stuff too. 1810 01:27:59,200 --> 01:28:02,200 I guess Mcconkey is is getting up there, but it's so, so cheap. 1811 01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:05,960 If you want to start in round 10 and grab like 4 Chargers 1812 01:28:05,960 --> 01:28:08,680 players, it's not a terrible strategy. 1813 01:28:08,680 --> 01:28:10,720 Honestly. Like we could just be. 1814 01:28:11,200 --> 01:28:14,080 I mean, honestly, I think we are a little bit wrong on the 1815 01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:17,240 Charger stuff and saying they're going to be so bad. 1816 01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:20,000 And you know, going back to the 1990s, like Harbaugh's going to 1817 01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:21,720 be a boomer and he's going to be run base. 1818 01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:24,160 But I think it's ultimately going to be a pretty efficient 1819 01:28:24,160 --> 01:28:26,640 offense, even if it's not high volume, like, well, the you 1820 01:28:26,640 --> 01:28:28,600 could run. Into the Roman offenses are 1821 01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:30,760 always efficient. It's after that where you run 1822 01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:33,080 into the problem. Yeah, I mean Greg Roman. 1823 01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:36,400 His first year with Lamar, Lamar Jackson was the the third best 1824 01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:38,040 offense in NFL history of the last. 1825 01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:39,520 Decade. But but he does. 1826 01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:41,560 That happens. That effect is because the the 1827 01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:44,120 guy's run. Is he going to turn Herbert into 1828 01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:45,800 a dual threat? Because if so, then we are. 1829 01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:49,600 He made Alex. I mean, he made Alex Smith like 1830 01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:54,040 he he turned Alex Smith into like a top twelve offense in San 1831 01:28:54,040 --> 01:28:57,440 Francisco a couple years. Yeah, but I think that's sort of 1832 01:28:57,440 --> 01:28:59,160 era specific. We pulled this, I was on the 1833 01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:02,280 Rotorworld pod and we pulled up Alex Smith's stats, and they 1834 01:29:02,280 --> 01:29:03,280 were. Like 24 rounds. 1835 01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:06,000 Yeah, no, for real. Like he had, yeah, 23 1836 01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:09,080 touchdowns. Peak Peak. 1837 01:29:10,120 --> 01:29:14,800 My name is Herbert is. The guys around him are just, I 1838 01:29:14,840 --> 01:29:16,880 mean, awful. And like, I don't mind Justin 1839 01:29:16,880 --> 01:29:17,960 Herbert as my second quarterback. 1840 01:29:17,960 --> 01:29:22,160 Like it's guys like Chase Brown, Rashid, Shaheed, Jared Goff, 1841 01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:25,320 Jacoby Myers, Taiji Spears, Josh Palmer, Dalton Schultz. 1842 01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:26,800 Like those. Those are the guys right around 1843 01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:29,560 Justin Herbert. Like, I don't mind just taking 1844 01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:32,440 Herbert as my quarterback, too, and then back stacking it with 1845 01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:37,600 Quinn, Johnson, or freaking Will Disley or Vidal or whatever. 1846 01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:41,600 Like that tear around Herbert's so bad that. 1847 01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:45,120 I read the the wrong stat. It's he peaked its 18 1848 01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:48,840 touchdowns. You mentioned Disley there. 1849 01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:53,480 Disley's AI drafted Disley on not not on underdog. 1850 01:29:53,480 --> 01:29:56,160 Yet on DraftKings I've. Drafted him on underdog. 1851 01:29:56,640 --> 01:29:59,680 I've drafted from Underdog. So Disley's the you think 1852 01:29:59,680 --> 01:30:01,640 Disley's the answer 'cause they also have Hayden Hurst? 1853 01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:06,280 So this we got got way more money than Hearst, I think. 1854 01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:09,920 Hayden Hearst, I I mean I just did this on the show last week 1855 01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:12,480 so I don't want to belabor the point, but he he had such a bad 1856 01:30:12,480 --> 01:30:14,400 concussion last year he forgot his name. 1857 01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:19,920 He he he he medically retired for like like temporary amnesia. 1858 01:30:20,120 --> 01:30:22,520 So like shout out to him for rehabbing and getting back or 1859 01:30:22,520 --> 01:30:25,600 whatever. But that feels like just like 1860 01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:28,440 the most precarious situation I can imagine. 1861 01:30:29,480 --> 01:30:33,280 So yeah, the Disley. Disley is the is my inconvenient 1862 01:30:33,280 --> 01:30:34,800 truth talking about backdoor stacks. 1863 01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:37,480 I mean, Justin Herbert is now so cheap that you can get him as a 1864 01:30:37,480 --> 01:30:39,600 back. Like you can go Herbert Round 1865 01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:41,960 11. QJ, Round 13. 1866 01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:45,000 Kamani Vidal, Round 14. Disley, Round 18. 1867 01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:46,760 Not that you don't even have to do, Disley. 1868 01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:49,880 I'm in a bunch of slow drafts and I'm doing stuff where I take 1869 01:30:50,120 --> 01:30:54,840 Palmer as like my wide receiver, six or five, and then I set up 1870 01:30:55,160 --> 01:30:59,360 the Herbert on the on the raft. On the other side, and. 1871 01:30:59,440 --> 01:31:02,720 If I get Herbert, awesome. And if I don't, you know I'll 1872 01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:04,080 figure out. I'm gonna draft Drake. 1873 01:31:04,280 --> 01:31:07,280 Well then you have then you have uncorrelated Josh Palmer. 1874 01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:11,080 So what I do is I take Dantavy and Wicks there, 'cause I think 1875 01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:15,000 Wicks is a way better player and way better bet, and then I just 1876 01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:18,440 figure the Herbert stuff out next 'cause I'm in a bunch of 1877 01:31:18,440 --> 01:31:20,320 slows too. I will say I mean Herbert. 1878 01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:22,920 I don't think Herbert's gonna. I don't believe in this offense 1879 01:31:22,920 --> 01:31:26,560 at all. But like I I am willing to be 1880 01:31:26,560 --> 01:31:29,760 humble if I'm paid for it. And and the market's paying me 1881 01:31:29,760 --> 01:31:31,320 to be humble on Justin Herbert, right? 1882 01:31:31,360 --> 01:31:33,640 You're getting a big discount. He'll be a spike week guy. 1883 01:31:33,640 --> 01:31:36,640 He'll have a bunch of weeks where he has 186 passing yards. 1884 01:31:36,840 --> 01:31:39,360 But there, I mean, Hayden, what do you think they'll be Chiefs 1885 01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:42,280 games, they'll be a shootout, One of those maybe. 1886 01:31:42,280 --> 01:31:44,840 They just absolutely smoke the Raiders one of these games. 1887 01:31:44,840 --> 01:31:47,360 Like they'll be like four or five real spike weeks. 1888 01:31:47,720 --> 01:31:51,280 When we get Chiefs versus Chargers Week 17 on Wednesday, 1889 01:31:51,280 --> 01:31:53,840 you guys will be drafting Justin Herbert in the eighth round. 1890 01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:56,480 So. I've already got a I've already 1891 01:31:56,480 --> 01:32:00,040 got a bunch of Mahomes Mcconkey teams for this eventuality. 1892 01:32:00,280 --> 01:32:02,080 What? What if we get Chargers Raiders. 1893 01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:07,200 Man, yeah, 17th round. We are. 1894 01:32:07,200 --> 01:32:10,720 We are officially rooting for Raiders Buccaneers in Week 17, 1895 01:32:10,720 --> 01:32:14,560 so Peter and I can go be boots on the ground for the Laird 1896 01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:19,240 Lauby jersey swap in Week 17. Wow. 1897 01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:21,040 Yeah, we need that. We need that. 1898 01:32:22,840 --> 01:32:25,000 All right. Let's let's talk about Chupa 1899 01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:26,960 Hubbard for some reason, I guess I. 1900 01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:28,160 Don't think we need to. No. 1901 01:32:28,160 --> 01:32:29,880 We I I really don't think he needs it. 1902 01:32:30,520 --> 01:32:32,040 I wanted to. I wanted to hit the one last 1903 01:32:32,040 --> 01:32:35,400 thing for news Odell. Odell Beckham going to Miami. 1904 01:32:35,400 --> 01:32:37,240 This is drop. Jonnu. 1905 01:32:37,320 --> 01:32:38,960 This is drop. Malik Washington. 1906 01:32:39,240 --> 01:32:41,720 What are our thoughts? Hayden, What do you think Odell 1907 01:32:42,040 --> 01:32:44,680 has left in the tank after Washington last year in 1908 01:32:44,680 --> 01:32:48,040 Baltimore? It's a good landing spot for him 1909 01:32:48,040 --> 01:32:50,240 because like you guys mentioned, like they do so much of the 1910 01:32:50,240 --> 01:32:53,040 motion stuff, these these guys are just tired out there so they 1911 01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:55,880 can't play all the snaps. So when Jalen Waddle's 1912 01:32:55,880 --> 01:32:59,320 exhausted, now it's Odell time to run the motion routes and 1913 01:32:59,320 --> 01:33:00,800 he's not going to be fantasy relevant. 1914 01:33:01,160 --> 01:33:04,600 Jonas Smith's a fine punt tight end. 1915 01:33:05,040 --> 01:33:08,080 But yeah, I don't. I don't see it really mattering 1916 01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:10,400 to anybody's individual projection. 1917 01:33:10,760 --> 01:33:12,080 Are you? Are you drafting? 1918 01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:14,440 The tight end Why is she affecting Jonas Smith's ADP at 1919 01:33:14,480 --> 01:33:16,440 all? I think it's just the idea that 1920 01:33:16,440 --> 01:33:18,760 Jonny kind of looked like the clear third option in the 1921 01:33:18,760 --> 01:33:21,880 passing game, just like if you're scheming up touches to a 1922 01:33:21,880 --> 01:33:23,520 player from a coaching perspective. 1923 01:33:23,680 --> 01:33:26,160 And now that probably should be Odell, right? 1924 01:33:26,200 --> 01:33:27,240 That. That was my thought. 1925 01:33:28,200 --> 01:33:31,280 Should it? This dude was useless to close 1926 01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:34,360 last season. Yeah, I I I will have a good 1927 01:33:34,360 --> 01:33:40,040 0.0% of Odell and if anything it makes it more likely that I do 1928 01:33:40,720 --> 01:33:43,320 round 18 Malik Washington. Because it's going to take Malik 1929 01:33:43,320 --> 01:33:47,560 Washington from being like a 80% drafted player to like a what? 1930 01:33:47,560 --> 01:33:51,640 Probably like AI mean literally. Maybe maybe 25% of best ball 1931 01:33:51,640 --> 01:33:55,480 mania drafts have him. Why are we drafting Malik 1932 01:33:55,480 --> 01:33:57,200 Washington again? I like the profile, but he's a 1933 01:33:57,200 --> 01:33:59,600 six round pick. No, we're we shouldn't. 1934 01:33:59,680 --> 01:34:01,200 Be bored, man. It's fucking. 1935 01:34:01,320 --> 01:34:02,800 We're bored. Yeah, this is, Yeah, this. 1936 01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:05,320 Is our our topic? Number one, we're we're bored in 1937 01:34:05,320 --> 01:34:06,280 May. What's going on with these 1938 01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:07,720 rookie? He gets on base, dude. 1939 01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:11,360 He gets on base. Tell us who the RV twos are on 1940 01:34:11,360 --> 01:34:13,440 like 10 more depth charts and we won't. 1941 01:34:13,440 --> 01:34:14,160 We just. We just. 1942 01:34:14,160 --> 01:34:15,320 Don't. That's why I'm drafting these 1943 01:34:16,200 --> 01:34:18,000 awful tight ends in the last round. 1944 01:34:18,120 --> 01:34:20,200 No, I. Tucker crafts Dawson. 1945 01:34:20,200 --> 01:34:21,880 Knox. Easy, yeah, Parkin. 1946 01:34:23,400 --> 01:34:25,000 Colby Parkinson. I'll throw on. 1947 01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:29,440 No, the Colby Parkinson thing is you're it's like Congrats, you 1948 01:34:29,440 --> 01:34:33,440 won the guy on the bench behind Tyler Higbee in Week 17. 1949 01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:36,560 I'd like to see it. I think Higbee's a total. 1950 01:34:36,760 --> 01:34:37,720 Ass. I think Higbee's done. 1951 01:34:37,720 --> 01:34:39,520 Yeah, I think it might get caught a. 1952 01:34:40,080 --> 01:34:42,320 Lot of guys have tried. A lot of guys have tried to kill 1953 01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:46,760 Tyler Higbee, Bryson Hopkins, Kendall Blanton. 1954 01:34:46,760 --> 01:34:49,040 What was the? Guy, you guys the Super athlete? 1955 01:34:50,760 --> 01:34:52,600 Jacob Harris. Jacob Harris. 1956 01:34:52,960 --> 01:34:56,280 Yes, that guy was a stud A. Lot of guys, a lot of guys have 1957 01:34:56,800 --> 01:34:59,440 come. Guys have come for Tyler Higbee. 1958 01:34:59,560 --> 01:35:01,880 He was. He was Theo Johnson before Theo 1959 01:35:01,880 --> 01:35:06,880 Johnson. The strategy for this year is 1960 01:35:07,320 --> 01:35:10,200 what if the Seahawks, all three of the tight ends that they had 1961 01:35:10,200 --> 01:35:13,360 last year were all so good and now that they're all separated 1962 01:35:13,360 --> 01:35:15,680 from each other, there's correlation where it's like all 1963 01:35:15,680 --> 01:35:17,600 three of them were studs. That's why they were in even 1964 01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:20,320 rotation. You go to Fant, Disley, 1965 01:35:20,360 --> 01:35:23,400 Parkinson, and we're like, wow, that's why they were in a 1966 01:35:23,400 --> 01:35:26,520 committee. They're all, they're all so 1967 01:35:27,440 --> 01:35:29,960 good. Actually, if that's. 1968 01:35:30,040 --> 01:35:31,280 True late. Round tight end. 1969 01:35:31,560 --> 01:35:34,120 For sure, no fan is by far the best late round tight end. 1970 01:35:34,360 --> 01:35:36,720 Well, no, he's not. He's he's not. 1971 01:35:36,720 --> 01:35:40,080 He definitely is. He's exactly who he is, and he's 1972 01:35:40,080 --> 01:35:42,280 always been. But he's he's round rate's going 1973 01:35:42,280 --> 01:35:45,440 to go up from like 55% to 70. So that's that would be that 1974 01:35:45,440 --> 01:35:47,000 would be the difference. It's it's the David. 1975 01:35:47,120 --> 01:35:50,320 It's the David and Joku thing. Like when when they paid David 1976 01:35:50,320 --> 01:35:53,120 and Joku that big contract after he was like a timeshare tight 1977 01:35:53,120 --> 01:35:54,480 end. Everyone was like the Browns are 1978 01:35:54,480 --> 01:35:57,680 so stupid like David and Joku sucks immediately that next year 1979 01:35:57,680 --> 01:35:59,520 he was awesome before he got hurt. 1980 01:35:59,880 --> 01:36:02,760 Obviously it's pattern matching to some degree, but these tight 1981 01:36:02,760 --> 01:36:06,160 ends, like they just this late breakout thing for tight ends 1982 01:36:06,160 --> 01:36:09,520 happens all the time. And like, who's playing snaps at 1983 01:36:09,520 --> 01:36:11,000 tight end instead of no offense, Seattle. 1984 01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:12,960 I don't know who it is. It's a Ricky. 1985 01:36:13,720 --> 01:36:14,680 I'm. I'm worried we're going to learn 1986 01:36:14,680 --> 01:36:17,560 names, because sometimes we learn names when the answer's 1987 01:36:17,560 --> 01:36:22,240 like it's his name's. I was. 1988 01:36:22,280 --> 01:36:25,080 I was learning, yeah. I was learning names in the 1989 01:36:25,080 --> 01:36:28,440 Titans Titan. Room the Second The second name 1990 01:36:28,560 --> 01:36:31,840 is as funny as it gets. It literally could not be 1991 01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:33,800 funnier. The second guy on the Rs? 1992 01:36:34,880 --> 01:36:38,480 It's Pharaoh Brown oh. No, we're in. 1993 01:36:38,640 --> 01:36:39,200 We're in Good. Shape. 1994 01:36:39,200 --> 01:36:41,120 No, that's. What you guys? 1995 01:36:41,240 --> 01:36:43,480 No, we're in great shape. So what you That's So what you 1996 01:36:43,480 --> 01:36:45,800 guys think. And then all of a sudden, Tyler 1997 01:36:45,800 --> 01:36:47,920 Mabry is playing 33. Percent, I would have been 1998 01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:49,800 worried if you were, said Mercedes Lewis. 1999 01:36:49,880 --> 01:36:51,760 I'd be like, shit. Yeah, yeah. 2000 01:36:52,600 --> 01:36:54,080 I think. I think I just have been. 2001 01:36:54,080 --> 01:36:58,160 I mean, minorly fan pilled. It's just like I I'm looking for 2002 01:36:58,160 --> 01:37:03,440 any reason to stop taking Tucker Craft and and Dawson Knox so so 2003 01:37:03,440 --> 01:37:06,360 this is a good reason. I do think there's like the late 2004 01:37:06,360 --> 01:37:08,680 round tight ends. It's tough because so many of 2005 01:37:08,680 --> 01:37:12,240 the guys get kind of fanted or or either in the Hayden Hurst 2006 01:37:12,240 --> 01:37:15,880 zone where they just like run. You know, like who or who was 2007 01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:19,600 the dude that we drafted on the Panthers like four years ago was 2008 01:37:19,600 --> 01:37:22,760 real athletic and he was good for like 1, exactly 1 minute. 2009 01:37:23,680 --> 01:37:25,240 Ian Thomas. Ian Thomas? 2010 01:37:25,360 --> 01:37:27,960 Yeah, Ian Thomas. And then it's like, oh Nope, 2011 01:37:27,960 --> 01:37:29,880 it's just a rotation. Like there's basically there's 2012 01:37:29,880 --> 01:37:33,040 like 5 teams potentially this year that just like essentially 2013 01:37:33,120 --> 01:37:35,960 aren't playing a fantasy relevant tight end because no 2014 01:37:35,960 --> 01:37:37,040 one's going to accumulate enough. 2015 01:37:37,040 --> 01:37:38,920 Snacks. But that's what so like, that's 2016 01:37:38,920 --> 01:37:41,320 what you think though, about the rotation stuff. 2017 01:37:41,320 --> 01:37:43,440 And then all of a sudden the guy you've never heard of starts 2018 01:37:43,440 --> 01:37:46,200 rotating in. What do you? 2019 01:37:46,320 --> 01:37:48,600 This is this is the Noah fan issue, yes. 2020 01:37:48,840 --> 01:37:49,840 Yeah, no, that's what I'm saying. 2021 01:37:49,840 --> 01:37:52,160 It's the Noah fan issue. You you give him 75 and then 2022 01:37:52,160 --> 01:37:55,440 it's like Pharaoh Brown gets he only gets 20, but then this 2023 01:37:55,440 --> 01:37:58,080 other dude gets 20. Two, but Tyler Mabry gets 8 and 2024 01:37:58,240 --> 01:38:00,520 they play a full back, Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 2025 01:38:00,520 --> 01:38:02,800 But I think also Pete Carroll's gone in Seattle. 2026 01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:05,520 Like, I think the Will Disley thing was a Pete Carroll thing. 2027 01:38:05,520 --> 01:38:07,880 I think the Parkinson thing was AI don't think they're like 2028 01:38:07,880 --> 01:38:09,320 philosophy. It's not like Seattle's 2029 01:38:09,320 --> 01:38:11,480 philosophy, like philosophically committed to. 2030 01:38:11,480 --> 01:38:13,840 They didn't even they. You need to see the coaching 2031 01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:15,280 this. Part is when they had to, I got 2032 01:38:15,280 --> 01:38:15,800 it. I got yeah, they. 2033 01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:18,520 Smell so good? I got to correct you on this, 2034 01:38:18,880 --> 01:38:20,000 Pete. Carroll's not the head coach. 2035 01:38:20,000 --> 01:38:22,640 He's still employed by the team. What? 2036 01:38:23,520 --> 01:38:25,040 Yes. Does he get to set the tie down 2037 01:38:25,080 --> 01:38:26,200 rotation? No, he's in. 2038 01:38:26,360 --> 01:38:29,600 He's in like an he's in like an advisory role now on the team. 2039 01:38:30,280 --> 01:38:32,320 It's not they. They basically just realized we 2040 01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:34,600 can't have an 85 year old. Oh my God. 2041 01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:37,280 He's on it for Jess, first because they won't pay him 2042 01:38:37,280 --> 01:38:39,800 Social Security. He needs, he needs the the money 2043 01:38:40,520 --> 01:38:42,800 right now. Why is he still employment? 2044 01:38:43,760 --> 01:38:46,760 Team So, like, I think people treating this like brand new 2045 01:38:46,760 --> 01:38:49,560 Seahawks, like need to zoom out on the chart a little bit. 2046 01:38:49,560 --> 01:38:51,360 Like, I would not agree with that assessment. 2047 01:38:52,160 --> 01:38:55,000 They kept the same quarterback. It's a new offense, though. 2048 01:38:55,000 --> 01:38:57,800 Like that Huskies offense last year was so sick. 2049 01:38:58,320 --> 01:38:59,960 Like I'm not new. Coordinator. 2050 01:39:00,480 --> 01:39:05,840 I'm not trying to be, I'm not trying to to be a downer on any 2051 01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:07,400 of that. I just, I'm saying it's not, 2052 01:39:07,400 --> 01:39:11,200 this is not like, you know, they didn't just become, I don't 2053 01:39:11,200 --> 01:39:13,560 know, the the 49ers overnight or whatever. 2054 01:39:14,960 --> 01:39:17,800 I think the just generally with the last time I had on the tight 2055 01:39:17,800 --> 01:39:20,640 ends is I think now is the time to do the late round tight end 2056 01:39:20,640 --> 01:39:24,640 because we don't know who the RV twos are right now and 2057 01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:27,760 eventually we'll know that. And then at the same time most 2058 01:39:27,760 --> 01:39:32,240 likely the mid round running backs in August, their ADP is 2059 01:39:32,240 --> 01:39:34,640 going to go up and I think that the tight ends in that range are 2060 01:39:34,640 --> 01:39:35,840 going to slide down a little bit. 2061 01:39:35,840 --> 01:39:39,320 So then you're basically you can draft the kind of Kyle Pitts 2062 01:39:39,320 --> 01:39:44,680 cohort, the Marc Andrews cohort guys maybe they're 5670 spots 2063 01:39:44,680 --> 01:39:48,000 down in August and then we don't have to draft as many know. 2064 01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:51,080 But if Marc Andrew's going to pick 60 in August, I'm gonna 2065 01:39:51,240 --> 01:39:54,840 have the biggest bag of anyone I've I've maybe ever had. 2066 01:39:54,840 --> 01:39:56,960 That's, yeah. I would love I think. 2067 01:39:56,960 --> 01:39:59,680 I think I need to start taking more fan though. 2068 01:39:59,680 --> 01:40:02,560 Like this. This depth chart is brutal. 2069 01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:04,080 Yeah. Like it's. 2070 01:40:04,360 --> 01:40:05,480 Like. Former first round. 2071 01:40:05,480 --> 01:40:06,760 It's a good former first round pick. 2072 01:40:06,760 --> 01:40:10,760 Like, really good athlete. And drafted to be a receiver, I 2073 01:40:10,760 --> 01:40:13,240 mean, that's that's like. I think his career yards per out 2074 01:40:13,240 --> 01:40:15,640 run, if you look at it, it's like 1.5 or something. 2075 01:40:15,760 --> 01:40:17,720 I I totally made that up. But I think it's like pretty 2076 01:40:17,720 --> 01:40:20,320 good. It it's been bad the last couple 2077 01:40:20,320 --> 01:40:23,360 years, but. I got to ask Winx a question, 2078 01:40:23,360 --> 01:40:23,880 though. Who? 2079 01:40:23,920 --> 01:40:26,440 Who is the offensive coordinator for Seattle now? 2080 01:40:27,200 --> 01:40:29,120 Ryan Grubb from Washington Huskies. 2081 01:40:29,200 --> 01:40:33,040 OK, so if if you're looking for a reason of how fans routes get 2082 01:40:33,040 --> 01:40:36,240 cut, do you know who they? Did they take the guy that they 2083 01:40:37,080 --> 01:40:39,480 from that offense? They took, they took Westover. 2084 01:40:39,480 --> 01:40:41,800 They took the tight end from from the Huskies. 2085 01:40:41,920 --> 01:40:47,880 Was he a draft pick or a UDUDFA? I assume a UDFA Jack Westover 2086 01:40:47,880 --> 01:40:49,400 I'll take. My I'll take my chances. 2087 01:40:50,960 --> 01:40:53,960 Yeah, I mean, like, probably it's gonna be fine, but. 2088 01:40:53,960 --> 01:40:57,400 Stan Noah Fan has a career yards broadband of 1.47. 2089 01:40:57,920 --> 01:40:59,840 How does it make you feel to just know that off the top of 2090 01:40:59,840 --> 01:41:03,760 your head? Like, I'm on that spectrum of 2091 01:41:04,080 --> 01:41:06,080 sex having versus when you're drafting you. 2092 01:41:06,080 --> 01:41:08,600 Know what is Hunter? What is Hunter having his career 2093 01:41:08,600 --> 01:41:10,640 Yards per round. We know, we know where to find 2094 01:41:10,640 --> 01:41:12,160 you on the Sharp. Yeah, you know where? 2095 01:41:12,160 --> 01:41:16,200 To find me on the sharp. Hunter had any 1.3 that. 2096 01:41:17,320 --> 01:41:19,160 Sounds right. No, I think that. 2097 01:41:19,160 --> 01:41:21,040 Might be that sounds right. Maybe a little low. 2098 01:41:21,400 --> 01:41:24,360 Let's sort by the touchdowns. Who cares about yards at tight 2099 01:41:24,360 --> 01:41:25,560 end? That's so. 2100 01:41:25,720 --> 01:41:28,320 It's literally so true. Sort by fucking touchdowns. 2101 01:41:28,520 --> 01:41:32,760 Yeah, 1.41.48 for Hunter Henry. The honest truth is that you can 2102 01:41:32,760 --> 01:41:35,280 guess 1.5 for most tight ends for. 2103 01:41:35,280 --> 01:41:39,960 Most tight ends, yeah. Pat Firemuth was the other guy 2104 01:41:39,960 --> 01:41:45,520 that has a little bit of post hype sleeper and there's no one 2105 01:41:45,520 --> 01:41:47,000 else in that offense to throw the ball to. 2106 01:41:47,000 --> 01:41:49,280 We know that Arthur Smith fantasizes about. 2107 01:41:49,760 --> 01:41:52,040 About about Darnell Washington He. 2108 01:41:52,080 --> 01:41:53,760 Yeah, I was thinking. About that's a problem. 2109 01:41:53,800 --> 01:41:56,400 He He's going. To he's going to be a blocker. 2110 01:41:56,440 --> 01:41:58,480 All the all the the play action actually. 2111 01:41:58,560 --> 01:41:59,960 Think they're legit? Blocking. 2112 01:42:00,360 --> 01:42:03,440 They're legit going to, I think could just convert him to tackle 2113 01:42:03,440 --> 01:42:05,200 eventually. The whole point is not to tip 2114 01:42:05,200 --> 01:42:06,600 your hand. So you put Darnell Washington, 2115 01:42:06,600 --> 01:42:07,400 well, we're going to run the ball. 2116 01:42:07,400 --> 01:42:08,440 We're definitely going to run the ball. 2117 01:42:08,440 --> 01:42:10,120 And then Nope. Darnell Russo is one of the. 2118 01:42:10,120 --> 01:42:12,280 World's slowest round Who is Darnell Washington? 2119 01:42:12,280 --> 01:42:14,480 If not, fancy Michael Pruitt, Honestly. 2120 01:42:14,480 --> 01:42:18,400 Yeah, yeah. What is the Steelers plan at in 2121 01:42:18,400 --> 01:42:20,320 three wide receiver sets? Are they just not going to do 2122 01:42:20,320 --> 01:42:21,800 them this year? They're not doing them. 2123 01:42:21,840 --> 01:42:23,880 Fryerman is going to be the slot receiver basically, and it's 2124 01:42:23,880 --> 01:42:26,680 going to be Roman Wilson and Pat Fryerman is out in the routes 2125 01:42:26,680 --> 01:42:30,320 with Pickens and Darnell Washington in there to block and 2126 01:42:30,320 --> 01:42:32,560 all the play action stuff. Like Pratt, Fryerman is going to 2127 01:42:32,560 --> 01:42:35,800 have like the targets per route. Oh no, you guys are so wrong. 2128 01:42:35,880 --> 01:42:37,320 You guys are so wrong about this. 2129 01:42:37,320 --> 01:42:39,600 Van Jefferson is playing ahead of Roman Wilson. 2130 01:42:41,240 --> 01:42:43,760 Come on, Van Jefferson is also a good DJ Shark. 2131 01:42:44,640 --> 01:42:47,120 Van Jefferson Van Jefferson is like a a. 2132 01:42:47,440 --> 01:42:49,080 Super Elite. Yeah, see ya. 2133 01:42:50,160 --> 01:42:52,880 Yeah. Yeah, every route that he runs 2134 01:42:52,880 --> 01:42:55,600 ahead of Roman Wilson, we have to lower Wilson one spot in the 2135 01:42:55,600 --> 01:42:57,800 ranks. Yeah, I mean Van Van Jefferson 2136 01:42:57,800 --> 01:42:59,600 is like a a really good run blocker. 2137 01:42:59,600 --> 01:43:02,120 That was like his thing, that that was like his selling point. 2138 01:43:03,400 --> 01:43:07,320 This depth chart is insane. So bad Calvin Austin. 2139 01:43:07,320 --> 01:43:10,440 Denzel Mims. I love Quez Watkins. 2140 01:43:10,440 --> 01:43:12,480 Dez Fitzpatrick. Scott Miller. 2141 01:43:12,480 --> 01:43:15,960 Marcus Callaway. This is a year. 2142 01:43:16,600 --> 01:43:18,480 Memories of a round eighteen guys. 2143 01:43:20,080 --> 01:43:25,920 We shouldn't have drafted, yeah. Memories of around 18 past. 2144 01:43:26,280 --> 01:43:28,720 Well, Marcus Callaway was memories of Round 8 past. 2145 01:43:29,640 --> 01:43:34,080 Yeah, not, not for me. OK, don't. 2146 01:43:34,640 --> 01:43:35,800 Forget why I. I do. 2147 01:43:35,800 --> 01:43:38,440 I do want to talk about Justin Fields here real quick because 2148 01:43:38,440 --> 01:43:40,200 that this is officially where I've reached. 2149 01:43:41,240 --> 01:43:44,720 I'm completely jumping the shark as someone who just wants to win 2150 01:43:44,720 --> 01:43:47,680 $1.5 million playing fantasy football. 2151 01:43:47,680 --> 01:43:52,520 If I'm thinking to myself, I don't know, I really need 13 2152 01:43:52,520 --> 01:43:56,120 points in week 13 when Mahomes is on by or whatever, and taking 2153 01:43:57,200 --> 01:44:01,240 Bonex when it's like we know beyond a shadow of a doubt. 2154 01:44:01,240 --> 01:44:03,520 If Russell Wilson retired from football tomorrow, we know 2155 01:44:03,520 --> 01:44:05,680 exactly what the market would do. 2156 01:44:05,880 --> 01:44:07,800 Fields would come all the way back up. 2157 01:44:08,040 --> 01:44:10,800 He would go ahead of Dax, he would go ahead of Kyler, he 2158 01:44:10,800 --> 01:44:13,680 would go right next to Joe Burrow and like the seventh 2159 01:44:13,680 --> 01:44:17,680 round. And he he is also completely 2160 01:44:18,840 --> 01:44:22,360 protected from sucking at fantasy because he'll just run 2161 01:44:22,520 --> 01:44:25,520 like he'll he just, we will just run like you. 2162 01:44:25,520 --> 01:44:27,960 You call pass play for him, Arthur Smith, whatever. 2163 01:44:27,960 --> 01:44:31,320 It doesn't matter. I'm just going to run like I 2164 01:44:31,320 --> 01:44:34,920 think you got to start working him in, especially on I think 2165 01:44:34,920 --> 01:44:38,320 elite quarterback teams, if this makes sense, where you have 2166 01:44:38,320 --> 01:44:41,120 Kurtz or Allen or whatever, where you really are just 2167 01:44:41,120 --> 01:44:45,040 wanting a unique 31 ball out of nowhere and you don't have to 2168 01:44:45,040 --> 01:44:47,080 stack him either. You can take him totally naked. 2169 01:44:47,680 --> 01:44:50,400 So that's where I'm at. I've been sitting here in the 2170 01:44:50,400 --> 01:44:53,480 one 90s just waiting for Justin Fields to come down and here he 2171 01:44:53,480 --> 01:44:54,760 is. He's here. 2172 01:44:55,000 --> 01:44:56,560 So I think. I think it's time. 2173 01:44:56,560 --> 01:44:59,080 I think it's a it's a great point he's got. 2174 01:44:59,080 --> 01:45:02,000 He fell to the range. There's very little opportunity 2175 01:45:02,000 --> 01:45:04,280 cost. Hayden just noted that the late 2176 01:45:04,280 --> 01:45:06,280 rounds were we. We don't know what to do. 2177 01:45:06,560 --> 01:45:09,440 Why not? Why not draft Justin Fields and 2178 01:45:09,960 --> 01:45:12,720 tack him on to sure elite, elite quarterback. 2179 01:45:12,720 --> 01:45:15,760 But why not tack him on to Brock Purdy and Trevor Lawrence? 2180 01:45:15,880 --> 01:45:18,200 That's that's also a good way to do it, yeah. 2181 01:45:18,840 --> 01:45:20,640 And he's we're getting to the point where he's not going to be 2182 01:45:20,640 --> 01:45:22,160 drafted every single time especially. 2183 01:45:22,160 --> 01:45:24,160 If he's correct. And we're going to get the 2184 01:45:24,160 --> 01:45:26,440 unique builds. Like, let's say Russell Wilson 2185 01:45:26,440 --> 01:45:28,120 is like, oh, he's totally cooked. 2186 01:45:28,400 --> 01:45:30,880 He's starting in August, like now you're going to have the 2187 01:45:30,880 --> 01:45:32,640 unique build. So it's like it's now or never. 2188 01:45:32,640 --> 01:45:34,320 And for those type of guys, I feel like it's. 2189 01:45:34,680 --> 01:45:37,480 I mean isn't that isn't that what is going to happen? 2190 01:45:37,480 --> 01:45:40,520 Like Russell Wilson is going to be cooked and like is like kind 2191 01:45:40,520 --> 01:45:43,080 of a dog, maybe even a start week or. 2192 01:45:43,080 --> 01:45:45,680 Russell Wilson is cooked like this, too. 2193 01:45:46,240 --> 01:45:48,320 Sean Payton came. Remember Sean Payton? 2194 01:45:48,760 --> 01:45:51,280 Offensive guru Sean Payton? He took a look at. 2195 01:45:51,280 --> 01:45:53,080 Russell was like, no, get the. He said. 2196 01:45:53,160 --> 01:45:54,880 He said. He said get Bone Nicks in the 2197 01:45:54,880 --> 01:45:59,320 building for me right now, I can't live with Russell Wilson. 2198 01:45:59,520 --> 01:46:02,880 You go to the University of Auburn and get me Bone Nicks 2199 01:46:02,880 --> 01:46:05,360 now. He saw a dude throwing screen 2200 01:46:05,360 --> 01:46:07,560 passes on Saturday and was like, that guy. 2201 01:46:07,800 --> 01:46:12,640 I need that guy right now. Bone Nicks also fantastic eighth 2202 01:46:12,640 --> 01:46:14,400 round, 18th round pick. He. 2203 01:46:14,480 --> 01:46:16,880 He I mean. The, the, the, the rushing. 2204 01:46:16,880 --> 01:46:20,120 I think the rushing stuff with Knicks is is a little under 36 2205 01:46:20,120 --> 01:46:24,480 rushing touchdowns in college. Yeah, there's no way. 2206 01:46:24,480 --> 01:46:27,440 There's no way from leadership with Mike Tomlin. 2207 01:46:27,680 --> 01:46:30,040 You got, you know who's going to come in and be like, you know, 2208 01:46:30,040 --> 01:46:33,000 the Steelers minds that they want Russell Wilson or the guy 2209 01:46:33,000 --> 01:46:34,760 that like the Bears locker room was in love with. 2210 01:46:34,840 --> 01:46:37,840 It's Justin Peels is starting by the end of the season for sure. 2211 01:46:37,920 --> 01:46:40,960 And even if he doesn't, neither were your other shitty 18 round 2212 01:46:40,960 --> 01:46:43,280 picks anyways. You don't. 2213 01:46:43,280 --> 01:46:47,320 You don't need you don't need Beau Nix's points in Week 6 on 2214 01:46:47,320 --> 01:46:50,160 your on your Justin Herbert Aaron Rodgers team anyways. 2215 01:46:50,280 --> 01:46:54,400 What you do need is you need to find someone who can go nuclear 2216 01:46:54,400 --> 01:46:58,080 in in a given week. So Sam and I have a bet on 2217 01:46:58,080 --> 01:47:00,280 Justin Fields of whether or not he starts week one. 2218 01:47:01,160 --> 01:47:04,280 He got it in good there. Do you want to go heads up? 2219 01:47:04,280 --> 01:47:06,680 Heads up points, Justin Fields or not, they Parker. 2220 01:47:10,280 --> 01:47:12,320 Eagles wide receiver three. I don't know, man. 2221 01:47:12,360 --> 01:47:13,560 Could be hey. Johnny. 2222 01:47:13,600 --> 01:47:15,400 Wilson. Eraser. 2223 01:47:15,400 --> 01:47:16,400 Come on. Yeah. 2224 01:47:17,560 --> 01:47:22,600 And I'll say that Justin Fields is like he's a he's a backup 2225 01:47:22,600 --> 01:47:24,760 quarterback and they're starting quarterback in the draft that 2226 01:47:25,680 --> 01:47:30,560 that's all I got to say. I mean the the I I do, I mean 2227 01:47:30,560 --> 01:47:32,560 Knicks. I I guess I should go back to 2228 01:47:32,560 --> 01:47:35,480 that like Knicks is kind of like a mystery box in the sense of 2229 01:47:35,480 --> 01:47:38,400 like what? What is the Broncos offense 2230 01:47:38,400 --> 01:47:39,880 even? Look, they have no wide receiver 2231 01:47:39,880 --> 01:47:42,320 talent. What do you think Bo Nick's his 2232 01:47:42,320 --> 01:47:45,160 average rushing yards in rushing touchdowns per game was in 2233 01:47:45,160 --> 01:47:47,160 college, Bo Nick. His rushing touchdowns are 2234 01:47:47,200 --> 01:47:49,920 shockingly. It's it's a 12 rushing 2235 01:47:49,920 --> 01:47:51,360 touchdowns per game or something. 2236 01:47:51,520 --> 01:47:54,280 Yeah, and he runs for like 30 yards a game. 2237 01:47:54,400 --> 01:47:58,120 But keep in mind, keep in mind like this, like he used, like 2238 01:47:58,120 --> 01:48:00,720 the Gus Malzahn Auburn stuff and then like the base. 2239 01:48:00,800 --> 01:48:03,400 On Oregon. Yeah, well, playing in Oregon is 2240 01:48:03,400 --> 01:48:05,200 cheating. Playing you you you basically 2241 01:48:05,200 --> 01:48:09,960 play 9 exhibition games and then two real games a year at at 2242 01:48:09,960 --> 01:48:12,280 Oregon. I'm not, I'm not trying to take 2243 01:48:12,280 --> 01:48:16,560 anything away from Knicks like I I I like the idea. 2244 01:48:16,560 --> 01:48:19,520 But Fields has a demonstrably better single game. 2245 01:48:19,640 --> 01:48:22,160 Oh yeah, for sure. But Knicks is a good pick. 2246 01:48:22,240 --> 01:48:25,200 Knicks is a good pick. You're getting job security, you 2247 01:48:25,200 --> 01:48:27,280 know, and and when I say job security, I'm, I'm thinking 2248 01:48:27,280 --> 01:48:28,800 about the fantasy playoffs. Who's getting? 2249 01:48:28,800 --> 01:48:30,240 Who's getting started in the fantasy playoffs? 2250 01:48:30,240 --> 01:48:33,280 You don't get that with Daniel Jones, who's goes in that range. 2251 01:48:33,280 --> 01:48:35,720 You don't get that with Gardner. Minshew, who goes in that range? 2252 01:48:35,720 --> 01:48:39,000 You have, I think, much stronger job security for the fantasy 2253 01:48:39,000 --> 01:48:40,600 playoffs with the rookie quarterback who they just 2254 01:48:40,600 --> 01:48:42,320 drafted early in the first round. 2255 01:48:42,720 --> 01:48:44,680 And then, yeah, there's a little bit of a mystery box element 2256 01:48:44,680 --> 01:48:46,120 with the rushing. Like, if he runs a little bit 2257 01:48:46,120 --> 01:48:48,520 about around the goal line, in some ways, like the Oregon stuff 2258 01:48:48,520 --> 01:48:50,320 should have made him run less, right? 2259 01:48:50,320 --> 01:48:51,560 It's all like gimmicky short stuff. 2260 01:48:51,560 --> 01:48:52,600 What? What's this dude taking off? 2261 01:48:52,600 --> 01:48:53,800 He's a. Five star recruit, like this 2262 01:48:53,800 --> 01:48:57,040 guy's like a legit decent athlete and yeah, I know like he 2263 01:48:57,080 --> 01:49:00,720 had 97th percentile EPA play. Like you don't just walk into 2264 01:49:00,720 --> 01:49:03,400 that like that's he took a lot of strays and I get it. 2265 01:49:03,920 --> 01:49:06,920 But even when you remove their screens and the Rpos like the 2266 01:49:06,920 --> 01:49:10,160 dude was still lighting it up. So I'm interested. 2267 01:49:10,640 --> 01:49:14,960 He's a better, he's a better quarterback prospect than than 2268 01:49:14,960 --> 01:49:16,920 Pennex. And Bryce, I agree. 2269 01:49:18,600 --> 01:49:21,400 Well. I mean rice is rice is too 2270 01:49:21,400 --> 01:49:22,960 small, man, can we get real for one? 2271 01:49:22,960 --> 01:49:25,120 Second, yeah, Danny Carter had this last year. 2272 01:49:25,120 --> 01:49:26,680 He's just like, he's too small. It's not gonna work. 2273 01:49:26,680 --> 01:49:29,800 And then boom, that's. Exactly what I mean the The 2274 01:49:29,840 --> 01:49:32,520 thing is is Knicks kind of looks like what a quarterback looks 2275 01:49:32,520 --> 01:49:33,840 like. That's the interesting thing. 2276 01:49:33,880 --> 01:49:35,560 You know, like you just you just kind of look at him in the 2277 01:49:35,560 --> 01:49:38,040 huddle, look at him in the past. He kind of looks like a 2278 01:49:38,040 --> 01:49:40,920 quarterback, which I don't know. That adds like 2 fantasy points 2279 01:49:40,920 --> 01:49:44,480 per game. That's two starts per year I 2280 01:49:44,480 --> 01:49:46,480 would. Say Yeah, definitely. 2281 01:49:46,480 --> 01:49:49,000 That starts. So it's like, why Sam Darnold 2282 01:49:49,000 --> 01:49:52,000 still has a job is he's got the square, he's he's got the square 2283 01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:54,600 jaw on the wide shoulder. So it's just like sure, 2284 01:49:54,600 --> 01:49:56,560 whatever, $10 million a year what? 2285 01:49:57,920 --> 01:50:00,120 How do you guys think Brock Osweiler got paid back in the 2286 01:50:00,120 --> 01:50:01,120 day? And I'm like, come on. 2287 01:50:02,080 --> 01:50:04,440 Brock was almost He almost looked too much like a 2288 01:50:04,480 --> 01:50:05,480 quarterback. Yeah. 2289 01:50:06,280 --> 01:50:07,200 He's too big. Red flag. 2290 01:50:07,200 --> 01:50:08,800 It was too big. Same with Levis. 2291 01:50:09,120 --> 01:50:12,120 Levis, like, looks almost AI quarterback and he's like, all 2292 01:50:12,120 --> 01:50:14,280 right, that's we've gone too far. 2293 01:50:14,520 --> 01:50:16,280 It's too far. Yeah, that's like it. 2294 01:50:16,280 --> 01:50:20,040 Too far? All right, we got to get out of 2295 01:50:20,040 --> 01:50:23,960 here. We've gone off the deep end 2296 01:50:23,960 --> 01:50:26,360 here. One today's show. 2297 01:50:26,360 --> 01:50:32,680 We always do best closing line values does anyone. 2298 01:50:32,680 --> 01:50:36,880 So again, for people who haven't followed us before, we're not 2299 01:50:36,880 --> 01:50:39,920 predicting like the best picks. We're just saying, who do we 2300 01:50:39,920 --> 01:50:45,480 think is going to rise the most in ADP by the close of drafts 2301 01:50:45,480 --> 01:50:48,400 compared to today can? We can. 2302 01:50:48,440 --> 01:50:51,600 We have guests do this. Yeah, we had guests do this. 2303 01:50:52,000 --> 01:50:53,680 Yeah, we had guests do this last year. 2304 01:50:53,880 --> 01:50:59,400 Hayden, go ahead. Blake Coram He's 130th overall. 2305 01:50:59,800 --> 01:51:01,040 That's. Very interesting. 2306 01:51:01,240 --> 01:51:05,560 I think the running backs will go up, just generally, but I 2307 01:51:05,560 --> 01:51:09,200 also think there's like huge upside of Blake Coram's like in 2308 01:51:09,200 --> 01:51:11,960 the mix for any of those snaps. If something happens to Kyron 2309 01:51:11,960 --> 01:51:16,120 Williams, Blake Coram, I think goes into the third, fourth 2310 01:51:16,120 --> 01:51:19,520 round somewhere in there, this offense is ready to go. 2311 01:51:20,040 --> 01:51:23,720 I don't see him falling more like who's even the RB3 on the 2312 01:51:23,720 --> 01:51:25,320 Rams? It's like very clearly him. 2313 01:51:27,040 --> 01:51:29,240 Yeah, exactly. Yeah. 2314 01:51:29,240 --> 01:51:31,280 I think it's not going to take a lot for Blake Corm to get a 2315 01:51:31,280 --> 01:51:35,080 bunch of snaps in training camp, especially the way that McVeigh 2316 01:51:35,880 --> 01:51:37,880 treats training camp in preseason stuff. 2317 01:51:37,880 --> 01:51:40,640 So there's going to be a lot of opportunity for Blake Corm to be 2318 01:51:40,640 --> 01:51:47,120 like very much in in the news and like he touched the ball 400 2319 01:51:47,120 --> 01:51:49,480 times every season. So it's it's not easy to paint 2320 01:51:49,480 --> 01:51:54,280 the the picture of how Blake Horms like the guy you need in 2321 01:51:54,280 --> 01:51:58,760 Best Ball this year. OK, I I'm going to, I'm going to 2322 01:51:58,760 --> 01:52:01,280 save the Rashi Rice bullet for another week. 2323 01:52:01,280 --> 01:52:03,120 So if Crane wants to take it, he can. 2324 01:52:03,520 --> 01:52:06,000 I'm going to take someone very similar actually right next to 2325 01:52:06,000 --> 01:52:07,120 him in AVP. I'm going to take Zach 2326 01:52:07,120 --> 01:52:09,800 Chardonnay. Like literally almost the exact 2327 01:52:09,800 --> 01:52:11,640 same thing. The the third running back is 2328 01:52:11,640 --> 01:52:14,560 like a non existent person named Kenny McIntosh. 2329 01:52:14,960 --> 01:52:18,400 I think we'll start to get some good vibes about you know 2330 01:52:18,400 --> 01:52:21,200 obviously this brand new look Seattle Seahawks team but really 2331 01:52:21,200 --> 01:52:25,120 it's just he he actually worked into the timeshare we wanted him 2332 01:52:25,120 --> 01:52:28,280 to be in last year but got cheaper which doesn't doesn't 2333 01:52:28,280 --> 01:52:31,160 make a ton of sense. I I think he should go ahead of 2334 01:52:31,680 --> 01:52:37,240 Spears Elliott and Gus Edwards probably. 2335 01:52:37,240 --> 01:52:41,200 All honestly, I'm. Going to go a little more 2336 01:52:41,200 --> 01:52:44,200 boring, I'm going to say Josh Palmer. 2337 01:52:45,080 --> 01:52:48,600 We talked about God. I I took him the first time for, 2338 01:52:48,680 --> 01:52:51,000 well, we're doing duplicates or whatever, yeah, but we can do 2339 01:52:51,000 --> 01:52:51,840 duplicates. We can. 2340 01:52:51,960 --> 01:52:52,640 Do we? We can. 2341 01:52:52,680 --> 01:52:53,920 No. So we can dupe. 2342 01:52:53,920 --> 01:52:57,000 We can dupe each other, but we can't dupe ourselves. 2343 01:52:57,240 --> 01:52:59,400 OK, I I'm gonna go and let me go. 2344 01:52:59,400 --> 01:53:00,800 Drake May. Then we talked about him. 2345 01:53:01,760 --> 01:53:02,440 I'll go. Drake May. 2346 01:53:02,440 --> 01:53:05,000 He's finally. This is a This is a bad use of 2347 01:53:05,000 --> 01:53:06,960 this pick. He's not gonna go higher. 2348 01:53:08,680 --> 01:53:09,800 You're right. All right, I'm thinking. 2349 01:53:09,800 --> 01:53:11,560 Justin Fields? No. 2350 01:53:12,160 --> 01:53:14,240 I'm going Justin Fields. We talked about Justin Fields. 2351 01:53:14,240 --> 01:53:15,520 He's finally in the range he's going to. 2352 01:53:15,520 --> 01:53:16,880 Go Well, that's fine. He's going to take the job. 2353 01:53:17,120 --> 01:53:18,520 I got to get even on Justin Fields. 2354 01:53:18,760 --> 01:53:21,120 Yeah, that was a smart pick taking a backup quarterback. 2355 01:53:21,120 --> 01:53:25,800 All right, I'm going to go give me Jaleel McLaughlin. 2356 01:53:26,400 --> 01:53:28,760 Damn Jaleel. Jaleel was the other guy I was 2357 01:53:28,760 --> 01:53:30,760 going to take. That's a good Jaleel McLaughlin. 2358 01:53:31,200 --> 01:53:34,080 I I treated out some propaganda today already. 2359 01:53:35,000 --> 01:53:37,600 As we know I'm a huge market mover in the space so that 2360 01:53:37,600 --> 01:53:41,440 should adjust accordingly. But now I think, I don't know. 2361 01:53:41,440 --> 01:53:43,320 I think the Denver stuff is pretty ambiguous. 2362 01:53:43,320 --> 01:53:46,720 I think if you really look into Javonte Williams NFL career, it 2363 01:53:46,760 --> 01:53:50,000 it's pretty mediocre. He has this really bad knee 2364 01:53:50,000 --> 01:53:52,040 injury. Sometimes guys just don't come 2365 01:53:52,040 --> 01:53:53,680 back from really bad knee injuries. 2366 01:53:54,160 --> 01:53:57,000 I think Sean Payton has a guy in McLaughlin he likes. 2367 01:53:57,000 --> 01:54:00,080 I wouldn't be surprised if it's, you know has sees a bigger role 2368 01:54:00,080 --> 01:54:01,800 next year and I think we'll we'll probably get some training 2369 01:54:01,800 --> 01:54:03,600 camp buzz on that, yeah. Jaleel. 2370 01:54:04,160 --> 01:54:08,280 Jaleel is like, get him on all your teams and all like trade 2371 01:54:08,280 --> 01:54:10,960 for him in dynasty. Like, do like, do it all right 2372 01:54:10,960 --> 01:54:12,920 now. Because we're going to start 2373 01:54:12,920 --> 01:54:17,600 like, I don't know, fantasy. Like JJ Zacharison will put 2374 01:54:17,600 --> 01:54:21,120 something out in his draft guide or whatever that, like, shows 2375 01:54:21,120 --> 01:54:23,720 all the cumulative running back receptions and Sean Payton's 2376 01:54:23,720 --> 01:54:26,120 offenses. And then everyone will will pick 2377 01:54:26,120 --> 01:54:29,680 up on it and they'll realize that Julie Mclaughlin's gonna 2378 01:54:29,680 --> 01:54:32,720 catch 77 passes and there's nothing anyone can do about it. 2379 01:54:33,120 --> 01:54:34,400 Well, where's some AJP? Ryan? 2380 01:54:34,400 --> 01:54:36,320 In this example 'cause cut? That's. 2381 01:54:36,360 --> 01:54:38,280 Cut. He's a yeah, he's a he's like a 2382 01:54:38,280 --> 01:54:39,920 Buccaneer or something. He's cut. 2383 01:54:40,400 --> 01:54:42,880 I mean, I'm, I've been kind of waiting, 'cause I took a ton of 2384 01:54:42,880 --> 01:54:46,880 McLaughlin in the big board and I've been cooling off a little 2385 01:54:46,880 --> 01:54:49,440 bit as I'm like, are they, when is this cut happening? 2386 01:54:49,600 --> 01:54:50,960 No. But here's the thing. 2387 01:54:51,080 --> 01:54:54,080 This is like the reverse of the McKinnon situation, where like 2388 01:54:54,080 --> 01:54:57,400 last offseason we knew it's like McKinnon was going to be on the 2389 01:54:57,400 --> 01:54:59,840 team even when he was underdog, didn't even change his team 2390 01:54:59,840 --> 01:55:02,600 designation even when he was a free agent because it was so 2391 01:55:02,600 --> 01:55:05,680 obvious he was coming back. You don't take estimate in the 2392 01:55:05,680 --> 01:55:09,400 fourth round, then sign Watson and then be like when we really 2393 01:55:09,400 --> 01:55:12,280 like these guys, pass catching. If you're planning on having 2394 01:55:12,280 --> 01:55:14,880 Pieran on the team, I mean, maybe it's Javonte who's not 2395 01:55:14,880 --> 01:55:17,400 going to be on the team. Does he, like, hate this dude 2396 01:55:17,400 --> 01:55:18,920 like you? You should be cutting this guy 2397 01:55:18,920 --> 01:55:20,320 as soon as possible. If you're going to cut him, 2398 01:55:20,320 --> 01:55:22,560 don't have him sit around on your roster or he doesn't have a 2399 01:55:22,600 --> 01:55:23,760 chance to make another team like it. 2400 01:55:24,080 --> 01:55:27,400 It's kind of. He probably wants, he wants to 2401 01:55:27,400 --> 01:55:29,080 see if the guy the rookies can play. 2402 01:55:29,160 --> 01:55:30,880 He wants. To yeah, I think. 2403 01:55:30,920 --> 01:55:33,280 I think that's what it is. He wants to see SMA and Watson 2404 01:55:33,280 --> 01:55:35,480 in person and be like, OK, are they good enough? 2405 01:55:35,520 --> 01:55:38,920 We're gonna dump your eye. I mean it's 3 million in three. 2406 01:55:39,000 --> 01:55:40,000 Blake. Watson. 2407 01:55:40,080 --> 01:55:41,800 Some UDFA, they, they. Signed. 2408 01:55:41,800 --> 01:55:43,800 No. He was good in college though he 2409 01:55:43,840 --> 01:55:45,280 he. I don't know if I I don't know 2410 01:55:45,280 --> 01:55:48,760 anything about his combine, but I know that he was like he was 2411 01:55:49,720 --> 01:55:53,520 hey, if. If you go undrafted in this 2412 01:55:53,520 --> 01:55:55,360 class, I don't know that you were that good in college. 2413 01:55:56,440 --> 01:55:58,400 The Memphis running back bid's been pretty good, yeah. 2414 01:55:59,640 --> 01:56:02,480 That's. 50 I mean, 53 receptions. 2415 01:56:02,480 --> 01:56:03,720 It's not nothing, but yeah, it's. 2416 01:56:05,040 --> 01:56:08,320 Just small JP run. They can say it's not negligible 2417 01:56:08,320 --> 01:56:10,200 money. They can save $3,000,000 cutting 2418 01:56:10,200 --> 01:56:11,280 in. It's like what's what's the 2419 01:56:11,280 --> 01:56:15,560 point? But anyways, Hayden, tell the 2420 01:56:15,560 --> 01:56:17,560 people what's going on at at Underdog. 2421 01:56:17,560 --> 01:56:19,720 What content are you working on? Any other contest? 2422 01:56:19,720 --> 01:56:24,320 Anything you want to tease? Just in general, underdog we're 2423 01:56:24,320 --> 01:56:28,200 going to be releasing more different types of contests this 2424 01:56:28,200 --> 01:56:30,080 year, more price points than ever. 2425 01:56:30,080 --> 01:56:32,080 We could have made BBM bigger if we wanted to. 2426 01:56:32,080 --> 01:56:35,680 We decided to keep it the same so we can unlock some more 2427 01:56:35,720 --> 01:56:38,520 contests. So there will be something for 2428 01:56:38,560 --> 01:56:41,120 everybody out there. And then we'll be doing YouTube 2429 01:56:41,120 --> 01:56:43,480 shows about it on Underdog Fantasy. 2430 01:56:43,480 --> 01:56:46,960 So that's it. Awesome, Davis, what you got 2431 01:56:46,960 --> 01:56:49,720 going on in Take cast? Any more backup running backs 2432 01:56:49,720 --> 01:56:52,040 coming on the show or anything along those lines? 2433 01:56:52,960 --> 01:56:57,480 Maybe getting cokeefed on to do a whole podcast series on on 2434 01:56:57,480 --> 01:56:59,800 Sitting Bull. You know we'll see that's kind 2435 01:56:59,800 --> 01:57:01,760 of that's kind of in the works right now. 2436 01:57:03,160 --> 01:57:05,400 Yeah check out, check out all the stuff on. 2437 01:57:05,480 --> 01:57:07,480 If you guys want to see the programming that I'm wearing 2438 01:57:07,480 --> 01:57:10,760 this suit coat for, check out Sports Grade on your on your 2439 01:57:10,760 --> 01:57:13,960 Smart TV. Pat Legendary. 2440 01:57:13,960 --> 01:57:16,280 Upside. Any more tree articles coming 2441 01:57:16,280 --> 01:57:20,560 out? I'm done writing about trees in 2442 01:57:20,560 --> 01:57:23,680 the rainforest, but check that out if you that one was 2443 01:57:23,680 --> 01:57:25,440 completely free on legendaryupside.com. 2444 01:57:25,920 --> 01:57:29,280 Well, best ball strategy article called The Tree of Jacquard. 2445 01:57:29,360 --> 01:57:32,440 We've got underdog rankings, updated daily DraftKings 2446 01:57:32,440 --> 01:57:35,120 rankings, updated daily FFPC rankings are launching soon. 2447 01:57:35,120 --> 01:57:37,320 We're going to launch drafters rankings in a few weeks. 2448 01:57:38,360 --> 01:57:39,720 So a lot of great stuff over there. 2449 01:57:40,040 --> 01:57:43,280 And Speaking of underdog, we got a promo going where you can get 2450 01:57:43,280 --> 01:57:47,520 $50 and underdog credit if you sign up for a yearly 2451 01:57:47,520 --> 01:57:48,280 subscription. You go to 2452 01:57:48,280 --> 01:57:51,560 legendaryupside.com/perks to learn about that. 2453 01:57:53,080 --> 01:57:54,040 Awesome. Sounds good. 2454 01:57:54,400 --> 01:57:55,920 Hayden, thanks again for joining us. 2455 01:57:56,000 --> 01:57:59,960 We will be back. Yeah, be back next week, 3:30 2456 01:57:59,960 --> 01:58:02,600 PM. We'll see all of you guys then. 2457 01:58:03,160 --> 01:58:03,520 Peace.