All right, today on Ship Chasing, we've got a special
guest, I believe his first time on the channel, Theo Greminger
from Fantasy Points. We're going to chop it up on a
variety of topics, including those dusty veterans none of us
want to take, but who might have one last ride in them for our
best ball teams. Also maybe taking a little peek
at the season long ADP, seeing some of the differences there.
I'm Pete with Davis, Pat and guest Theo.
Let's do it. Pat Fryer, Helmo, this is Anita
Handjob. Fix your sight.
Jamar and Alpha play chase. You can't.
Handle the heat. It looks like we're finally at
this point, you're right. All right, Theo, welcome to the
show. I've been enjoying listening to
some of your podcasts over on the The Fantasy Points network.
You guys have been cranking out some Dynasty stuff and a lot of
good redraft content as well. Welcome to ship chasing.
No. Happy to be here, guys.
Yeah, Pat came on, Davis has been on.
Pete, we gotta get you on. But yeah, we've been busy over
there. It's been a really good
offseason. Stoked to be over at fantasy
points and and happy to be chopping up with you guys as
well. This should be a lot of fun.
Awesome, Pat, how are we doing? You still live in the the
Brooklyn Nomad life. Yeah, I'm in.
I'm in Manhattan actually. And yeah, just got in on Monday.
Spending some time here, just kind of little, little vacation
slash. I don't know.
It's not vacation because I'm still working, but it's it's a
new place. It feels, it feels like vacation
when you're yeah, it feels like working from a crouched position
in the corner of the room and that your kid is making noises.
You're you're like, dude, this is the life, man.
Well. Did you?
You and you packed. Were you here earlier like that?
You just described my early afternoon perfectly.
And you packed your full mic set up like that's how you know it's
not just a vacation. Like if you're bringing the big
boy mic, you're you're, you're there to work.
No, I brought the. I've got a big suitcase.
So I've got I'm taking a lake vacation in July and like my
plan is to not work, but I'm going to be gone for eight days.
So I got it. I probably have to bring the mic
like there's just like I just. Early July or late July?
July 12th, so like that. That's like a better period than
I always remember it being. I'm going to be getting back
after camp. OK, sorry Theo, you just are now
eavesdropping on our logistical. I gotta, we gotta get, we gotta
get Davis one of the little tiny wearable mics.
Like he's one of the yeah. To make to make tik toks right?
To make tik toks for sure. Well, I was gonna say, 'cause
Davis, we, I'd already talked to Pat, 'cause I'm gonna go up to
or go down to New York. And I think it's like the 11th.
And we're probably gonna take that Thursday show off anyway.
So you, I think you'll be, you'll be good there.
Wow. We timed this pretty well.
Literally, literally perfect. Yes, but Theo, you, you said you
draft everything right. You're in the best ball streets.
Obviously the dynasty, the season long what?
Which one of those formats do you consider your your baby?
Or do you view them all like a children you love equally?
I mean, I, I think that anybody who plays dynasty like secretly
has like a, a real love for dynasty because you're
constantly looking at your dynasty teams all year.
Long. Yeah, well, I don't know.
It's, it's like, I don't know. I feel like redraft is what I
talk about most. Most of my podcasts are redraft.
I've had probably the most success in redraft, but over the
last maybe 5-6 years it's been like a move towards taking on
even more volume in dynasty. So I just always bite off a
little bit more than I can chew. Wednesday nights are complete
torture for me. Waivers are absolutely awful,
but I love it. And then best ball.
I think you sort of have to play if you're a serious player.
Now if you're not getting in early best balls, then like what
are you doing? Nothing prepares you more than
drafting a ton, a ton of best balls.
So obviously I have to do that. FFPC and underdog for me for
best balls, but I'll play NFFC, I'll play FFPC for the high
stakes. And then dynasty wise, I try to
keep it almost all on FFPC just for the logistics.
And then I'm in a couple of other leagues I'm in.
I'm in one with Davis. We had that big trade a couple
of months ago and a couple other like MFL type sleeper type
leagues, but not too many of those.
Oh yeah, you were the person who fleeced Davis so he could draft
Ashton Genti, Is that correct? We we were both happy.
Literally. Literally.
Both happy. We're both happy.
I think it did actually end up working out like he he got three
guys who wouldn't crack my starting lineup and he got and
he likes all of them. Yeah, I mean, I got I got Travis
Hunter, Ted McMillan, Colston Loveland.
So we I had a nice walk away and we did this before the actual
NFL draft. So I sort of ran pure with the
Loveland landing spot, obviously Travis Hunter.
You also ran pure with draft with donkeys, 'cause I think you
got, I think you got Ted at 616, which is just like, all right,
guys. Yeah, Tyler Warren went at the
one O 3 in that league. Tyler Warren was one O 3.
So there you go. There you go.
B What any kind of meta or big landscape things that you're
picking up on this year? Obviously we're all kind of
navigating this new ADP on Underdog where the quarterbacks
are really cheap right now, lots of tight end values.
How are you kind of enjoying to attack things right now?
I think in in FFPC the I've I've really kind of enjoyed drafting
from like the back end of the first round.
I think like being at the end in FFPC is is a real real advantage
to you right now. I think in other formats you can
kind of win from everywhere, but FFPC you get access to, you
know, potentially drafting a Trey McBride at the end of the
first round, get the elite tight end.
And then you could also go with a like one of the anchor R BS
and then come up come across with like a Drake London, a lad
Mcconkey. So one of my big take away is as
the summer moves on, just how strong that trio of second round
wide receivers are. I think like if we were drafting
a few years ago where people were less running back
enthusiastic guys like Drake, London, guys like Vlad Mcconkey,
if this was, you know, even 3-4 years ago, I think people would
have been making a lot more arguments.
Take those guys from the first round.
So I've really liked sort of the the anchor RB and then follow up
with London, follow up with Mcconkey or A.J.
Brown. So it's that's sort of been my
take away, but it's sort of sort of shaping itself out as we get
into July. I'm open to multiple strategies
this year too. Not sure what's going to be the
optimal one by the end of the summer, but I do like drafting
from the back in FFPC right now. Pat, I know you guys.
Have you just dropped some Eliminator rankings?
I know you guys are working on some SIM stuff.
Any new insights over there from the leg up bunker?
Yeah, we we did a stream earlier this week with Shady announcing
that we have Sims of the season, which is pretty fun and and
we're able to evaluate teams that have been drafted, which we
did for the stream. But we're also going to have
some updates to the Sidekick which utilize those Sims to
create some new stuff we can do like supporting Eliminator and
alternate formats like that. One of the insights I would say
from testing with the with the SIM driven sidekick is like some
of these running backs that I don't really like to take are
pretty good picks this year, especially if you feel you need.
To tell me in half PPR running backs might be a little bit
undervalued by a community. I think just.
Wants to make Jerry Judy a fifth round pick.
Yeah. Speak about that.
Cherry duty is the exact example.
It's like we're it's, it's because of like what's available
later at the running back position versus what's available
later at the receiver position. It's like you can wait a couple
rounds and get Jayden Reed or, you know, wait a couple rounds
of running back and things get even more fragile.
So taking these guys like mixing and Hubbard and and I mean also
like Harvey and Henderson. So it's not just fragile
profiles there. That's something I'm doing more
of now then I probably would have done.
Another thing is that it really 3 quarterbacks is probably under
utilized at these prices and with and with these other
options in the late rounds, in the mid to late, you know, mid
to basically throughout the teen rounds, throughout the round 10
plus those, it's like there's not a ton of guys that anyone's
super excited to draft. And then you just have these
quarterback points just like falling and falling and falling.
I was going to take unstack CJ Stroud today at like 150, which
is, you know, 14 picks past ADP. He ended up going before I went.
But like, stuff like that I think is actually, it's not like
the sexiest stuff, but trying to advance, trying to get through a
playoff week, you know, single One Nation week where that guy
happened to hit your line up. I think it's probably an
underutilized tactic right now. One of the things that was said
on that pod that really stuck with me about the three
quarterback thing. And I, I don't remember which of
you guys said it, but this idea of not only are you taking maybe
an undervalued asset, let's say like the Geno Smith, Bryce
Young, but you also are avoiding taking a potential landmine at
another position. It's like it's not even what
you're adding. It's like, OK, maybe this is a
luxury to my quarterback room, but you're avoiding a really bad
pick in a kind of treacherous area of the draft board.
Exactly. And I, I'm curious because this
is the first time we've done this.
So I don't know what the end of the summer is going to look
like. But I actually think my theory
is that it's not like 3 quarterbacks will go away
because we're seeing 3 quarterbacks recommended on
teams with Josh Allen, on teams with Jayden Daniels, all of
these elites, It's popping up. If it if it makes sense, you
know it makes sense. It's not.
And it's it makes sense on a lot of builds in a lot of different
ways. So I think at the end of the
summer, three quarterback builds are still going to look like
something that's very, very viable.
But I do think that in some cases, you know it, you'll
you'll see a lesson in the player recommendations because
there will be running backs that we're really excited about that
weren't getting drafted at all earlier in the tournament and
are now like priority targets. And that's kind of the part that
we're lacking right now in the final rounds.
There are guys that I really like, but honestly it's more
like receivers, like a Pat Bryant, some tight ends that I
like, that type of thing. We don't yet have those running
backs that are just absolute smashes.
Partly cause like we can't. Part of the reason that they are
absolute smashes is 'cause you just gotta have.
Celebrity courage of your convictions spoiler One of the
one of the only players I've drafted more than 8.3% of is an
18th round running back. I I think there's. 28.
Yeah, well, and and Audric estimate he's dead now.
So that's why you only take 8.3%.
Of Davis has made the huge you gonna leap as an individual
where he's hiding his laundry fandom in the 18th round instead
of the 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th round yeah that's true it's.
Like it's like, it's like, you know, I look, man, I'm not
getting out of my skis on Rashi. I'm not getting out of my skis.
I'm worthy. I'm making myself eat my Mike
Evans vegetables. But it's like around 18, a
little SMU converted wide receiver to a running back treat
like, like, imagine this is not the thesis of this show.
We're supposed to talk about the opposite of this.
But imagine prime Dexter Mccluster, not with Alex Smith,
but with Mahomes. That sounds pretty fun to me,
right? Plus rebar.
Reebs gave me permission. Reebs said.
Reebs said all these other guys are stiffs.
Come on, just let it happen. Yeah, and also, if you're
investing in Isaiah, Pacheco is pretty cheap right now.
It's not hard to envision that the only two fantasy viable
backs for for like underdog would be Pacheco and Richard
Smith. So you can essentially get the
entire Kansas City backfield pretty cheap right now.
Davis. Yeah, what it, you know, maybe
the segue into, into some of these intriguing bets.
I do think 1 interesting point to start is with these
underpriced or do you find them overpriced tight ends, we
obviously have Travis, Kelsey, Mark Andrews way cheaper.
Even the Godder and Ferguson tier is way cheaper than they
were in previous years. Theo, do you do you find
yourself gravitating to some of these veterans?
Are you kind of chasing younger options?
David Ninjoku, I find myself drafting a lot in multiple
formats. I like Ninjoku a lot, and I know
there's like the threat of Harold Fannon Junior this year,
even cutting in just a little bit, but there's so much to like
here. It's just a very simple bet.
Can Ninjoko be a top 2 target in Cleveland?
It's a team that lacks pass catching weapons and Ninjoku's
delivered for us for two straight years, been a really
high target earner, a spike week guy.
And we also get like the potential that there could be a
bunch of a bunch of Joe Flacco starts this year where Flacco
loved in Joku. It was like such a cheat code to
have in joke in your lineup when Flacco started.
I think that that's out there. So in Joku's priced really
correctly right now for a guy that I think could deliver.
And it's kind of funny where usually we're I try to avoid
like that low end tight end one type bet where you're better off
going with the elite tight end or piecemealing it together with
sort of upside guys. But I like in Joku, I think Evan
Engram, you also want to have a little bit of exposure to for
the same sort of argument that he could be a top 2 target in
what should be a pretty good offense.
You have the Sean Payton factor, the idea of Ingram in the slot,
maybe you know, the whole joker conversation.
So I don't know, I kind of, I kind of don't mind those veteran
tight ends, the low end tight end one types.
And then there's a couple of others sort of like later on.
But I'd say specifically in joke, who's the guy that I'm
into right now at ADP in multiple formats?
Yeah, and Joko was my my top one.
I mean, he just is like worst case scenario is he probably
gets like 800 yards on a just an absolute dog shit Browns team.
But any OK, this is a good one any week that Joe Flacco is the
starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns.
What is the Michael Leone projection for or the
fantasypoints.com projection for David and Joku?
Higher or lower Weekly median ranking in projected points 8
1/2 at at tight end, Yeah. He's probably a smidge above
that, I think. A higher higher, higher, higher,
higher for. Sure.
So I think that's it right there.
That is a funny thing you think about because I, I, I do think
his price is driven in a, in a big way by the quarterback
uncertainty. But like if you told drafters,
hey, you're going to get Joe Flacco weeks 15 through 17,
Najoku is probably going 2 rounds higher.
Like if if drafters actually knew that.
Yeah, Yeah. I think that like if he.
Follows sometimes too, like in Joku, I'm not that into him, but
then I'll just be sitting there and he's like, he's still here.
And at a certain point I kind of feel this way with the Colts
receivers now. I've just gotten kind of more
and more in. And Richardson tweaked his
shoulder apparently, so that's more likely to be Jones.
But I'm like, at at what point do I just like take players who
are good and earn targets and I don't have to know exactly how
the quarterback situation plays out.
Like, it'll play out how it plays out, you know, But yeah,
like, at at what point are we basically saying like, they're
not going to have a quarterback, They're they're just going to
run constantly or something Like, you know, and Joku, he
really, he really can slip. And it's like him versus Dalton
Kincaid, who's dealing with like some sort of lava lamp issue in
his knee. Like I, I don't.
Yeah, you could get like a Joku. You could just you could just
get him in like the one 40s. Yeah, any anytime, anytime you
guys do a podcast talking about week 17 game stacks and your
favorite games. I think in Joku slips a little
bit because right that that Cleveland Pittsburgh game, no
one wants any part of that game whatsoever.
There's no correlation for Cleveland.
So there's no no quarterback receiver correlation whatsoever.
There's no week 17 correlation. No one's trying to cram in like
ADK, Metcalf, Jerry, Judy, David has No 2 lines like frozen.
Any quarters guys are a little bit.
Lower I I will say though, but we do have breaking news.
The Chad is all over this. I just confirmed that Aaron
Rodgers did just officially sign with the Steelers.
So we have one quarterback from the Turd Bowl.
Not exactly what what he said is that he told Jerry Dulak he
plans on signing before the camp is over.
So I need to see ink on paper with with Rogers.
I can't. Believe, I mean, this is getting
reported by every large, you know, national reporter.
But leave it to Rogers to somehow milk an announcement of
an announcement like he just. It's called the Turd Bull for a
reason, you know. How about this?
Let's get it the alive instant reactions.
What does Aaron Rodgers to the Steelers do for the offense and
and maybe the prices in drafts? Well, I think it it makes them
go up because we actually have an answer to who's going to be
the quarterback in Pittsburgh. It's not going to be some like
awful disaster. We saw Rodgers support Devante
Adams last year. Devante played really, really
well with Rodgers last year. I think it was 1718 points per
game in games with Rodgers. I think DK Metcalf and we talked
a little bit in the pre show about guys whose ADP is higher
among main event drafters and early FPC ADP versus like the
underdog drafter, DK Metcalf is higher.
And I think DK Metcalf is going to creep up a little bit more
now with Rogers there because there's no wide receiver target
competition whatsoever for DK. Now we have some clarity at the
quarterback. And when it's Aaron Rodgers, we
know he's going to hyper target the guy he trusts.
He's not going to trust any of those other wide outs in
Pittsburgh. There's not going to be like
some love love for like Calvin Austin or Roman Wilson.
It's going to be DK Metcalf on on all passing downs.
And I think like the Arthur Smith, like at the end of the
day, Arthur Smith, the fears go out the window a little bit with
Rodgers there because if he's such a strong personality, going
to kind of audible into his own stuff and he's not signing with
Pittsburgh to have like NFL low pass attempts next year.
Yeah, I mean, Gravis, you are you're you're a big Caleb
Johnson Bolt. Does this make you more excited
about the run game? I would say it's like probably
slightly better for Jalen Warren than Caleb.
Not that it's bad for Caleb Johnson, but if I was saying who
is this upgrade? Like Warren I would say is
probably an early favorite to get the passing downs 'cause
that was the way he was used. I mean, in a backfield with Naji
Harris now, I think Caleb Johnson is much better than Naji
Harris. I mean, they can now be the 19th
best offense in the NFL instead of the 27th best offense in the
NFL. But I frankly, I feel like that
was priced in like the DK Metcalf cannot possibly be a
four or five turn pick. If the market really thought
Mason Rudolph was going to be the quarterback, maybe maybe the
market was holding on to Kurt Cousins possibility.
You want to Kirk Cousins is now out of spots.
There's no there's no where Kirk can go.
So Congrats to the Falcons. You played yourself because it
feels like you probably could have eaten about half of that
deal and got him out of it. And now you just are going to
have Kirk cousins in that quarterback room with Michael
Pennix all year. So shout out, shout out to the.
I wonder if they want the the Dalton out that the Panthers had
last year, Like just in case Pennix struggles, they could go
back to Kirk for a minute and then back to to Pennix or
something. I don't know.
But they if they, if they really want to get off Kirk, they
completely mismanaged that. Well, what about this?
Yeah, I mean, for the pass catchers, it really, you know,
DK Metcalf, what early fifth round and then Pat Fryermuth,
pretty cheap, but no other pieces from that passing game
getting drafted. Does this make a guy like Calvin
Austin more interesting to you? Does is this like, does the Janu
trade actually go down now that they've got Rogers?
Do they try and go get a second pass catcher?
I think that sort of would scare me off of trying to cram in a
bunch of Pat Fryermuth if you like him in right right now,
'cause I think if Janu shows up, it's not necessarily gonna mean
they move on from Firemouth. He's just gonna take a back
seat. And the secondary.
You can make an argument if the tight end is the secondary
target in Arthur Smith offense, he's still viable, but a #3
receive receiver would be completely wiped out.
It would nuke both tight ends like Janu and Firemouth would
both be. They wouldn't be like totally
undraftable, but it would seriously hurt both of their
value. I really hope that doesn't
happen. It sounds like that's more
coming from Janu because he wants the new contract and the
Sears might be willing to give it to him.
So he's like, I got to go, like, have a bad time in Pittsburgh,
but maybe it's worth enough money and I'll go do it.
I really hope that doesn't happen though.
Yeah, it'd be awful. What about this one for
connecting the dots? Wouldn't Keenan Allen make so
much sense in Pittsburgh right now?
Do you think he'll? Listen to the Rogers.
Talk about the Epstein files though.
Like, I feel like Keenan Allen might be past the age of dealing
with that bullshit, you know what I'm saying?
He's. Like Keenan, Allen is past the
age of getting to have a choice on what?
I don't. Know.
I was just talking about this with Herzig and my guess is that
Keenan Allen's order of operations is 1.
He's probably made enough money, so he I would say number one
place he'd like to play somewhere warm.
Yeah, in LA. He said that he wants to play in
LA. Somewhere.
Somewhere warm. Winning somewhere then then
making. Money.
Well, he also said Chicago, which is where he already lives,
which is a classic old guy move. You know, I just get.
Let me stay put. That'd be my first choice.
Or I'll go to LA. Yeah.
Amari Cooper, he's still
unsigned. He could go there, I guess.
Yeah, I just think that that feels likely.
Amari man just getting passed around like.
A Gabe. I mean Gabe Davis feels like.
Also, didn't he already? Have a They were connected to
him, yeah. Yeah.
But that's like, they're like, hey, can we interest you in an
even worse version of George Pitt, who we just let go
introducing? Honestly, Alan Lazard asking for
his release would be another another move.
That would just be no, dude, they're gonna, they're gonna
have to trade for him. They're gonna, they're gonna,
they're going to have to trade like a conditional 4th round
pick to The Jets to get Rogers. But I guarantee that's part of
like Rogers being like, you're gonna give me my boy, right?
Mercedes Lewis has a job. Do you think that's what's been
holding up this whole thing is that they were just adamant they
wouldn't trade for Lizard and he was using this leverage to get
them to you? Know the Steelers a once proud
organization one of the few family owned teams left right
long tradition and to see them bend the knee to this yeah I
know Joe Rogan podcast guest is just.
Wait until they sign Randall Cobb.
Randall Cobb is the one. Yeah, 34 year old Randall Cobb.
Week 1, everyone's gonna get a book on in Egyptology, but like
not like a scholarly Egypt. Like that's gonna be the
giveaway. Like instead of bobbleheads, but
but not not academic Egyptology, the type of Egyptology that
Aaron Rodgers. Is, yeah.
You know, yeah. But like, how depressing is
that? Like if you're like sitting
around, you're looking at Rodgers coming here and you're
the Steelers. And like, how do you answer the
question, how is this gonna be any different than what happened
last year with The Jets? Like how is any?
How could anything possibly be? Even All right, Roger Rogers is
better than Russell Wilson. His peak was better.
He was better than Russell Wilson last year.
He definitely took all Peter. Aaron Rodgers was definitively
better than Russell Wilson last year.
Like. Literally and I and I think
maybe even a tier difference, not even not even in.
The scene, I think that's true. But The Jets would have traded
straight up for Russell Wilson than what they were getting from
Aaron Rodgers at the end last year.
Rodgers was horrible at certain points last year.
He kind of like pulled it. He pulled out of the tailspin to
close the year. They had that Jaguar spike week.
But like there were there were times I think it was maybe like
week 12, week 13, that type of range or is it like he is done
like done it really looks over. He can't move right.
Yeah, that. Hurts so that's a problem, but
Russ, I, I frankly just in my mind, it's like I, I actually
don't like either of these guys. But Rogers is just like I, I
think, I think he's like a tier better.
To tap in Theo, make the. Case for I'm I'm I'm Rodgers
over Wilson as well and I think just like as a organization it's
just so much more stability in Pittsburgh.
You know you're coming into a team that makes the playoffs
that has a better offensive line than he dealt with last year in
New York. They're not gonna fire offensive
coordinators mid year. You're not gonna fire the head
coach mid year. It's just a a little bit better
bet for for Aaron Rodgers to end up in Pittsburgh than
potentially last year with New York.
I mean, neither 1 is good, but I would I would take Rogers over
over Wilson right now as well. I'm I'm with Davis on that one.
What do you guys think this offense looks like?
Like Aaron, you know, Arthur Smith obviously has been very
run heavy, but it's also like he's had success with Tannehill,
you know, like doing like, you know, booting him out, kind of
using like half the field reads that type of stuff.
He did like, you know, with Ritter and Mariota way less
successful, but both mobile guys get plus isn't like super
mobile, but you can do the kind of Tannehill stuff and field's
obviously mobile. So it's been a while since we've
seen someone like truly a mobile in this offense and Rogers just
does not like the peak. Rogers would have been really
interesting in this system. But this version of Rogers, like
what do you what do you do you have to do like way more quick
passing stuff. I I don't even know.
I mean, one thing that might happen is that Rogers gets them
to bring in Nathaniel Hackett or something shitty like that and
they changed the offense up. But I, I guess I'm wondering
like, is there an instant power struggle here in terms of what
the like whose fingerprints are are on this offense?
I mean, I think 100% you nailed it that it's it's a power
struggle, Arthur Smith tendencies versus what Aaron
Rodgers wants to do. But I think that like the DK,
the amount of money they gave to DK, they they want to focus on
using him on play action. They draft Caleb Johnson last
year. They put a lot into the
offensive line. They had a pretty high play
action rate last year. And I think they'll continue to
do that run and then utilize DK over the top, maybe DK inside
the red zone. I think that's sort of like on
paper what they are, but it's definitely going to be a power
struggle. If it's Arthur Smith previous,
like everything we've known about him now you have this
massive personality, Aaron Rodgers, who's going to call
whatever he wants. They don't really line up with
one another. So there's got, there had to
have been a meeting of the minds or something like that where
they were going to go into this one because it seems like a
really weird fit. You brought up like Tannehill
quarterbacks with mobility design run run attempts for your
quarterback, like on paper, like why didn't you just kind of
bring back Justin Fields for this team?
But I don't know. It's it's definitely a weird
one, but you have to lean towards them going with a Rogers
LED offense and Arthur Smith like imposing his will on
Rogers. Matt in the chat said he thinks
Rodgers input would be good for Artie.
I actually agree. In a world in which like Arthur
Smith and Aaron Rodgers can collaborate, it could.
Like they could both. Imagine being in a meeting
between those two minds. Don't see that happening.
I don't see that being a collaborative effort.
They are going to hate each other.
They are going to absolutely hate each other, especially
because like Arthur Smith's MO is like hiding the quarterback
and making the offense still function.
And Aaron Rodgers singular goal in life is to be the center of
attention and be the engine of the offense.
How many goal line runs do you think Aaron Rodgers is going to
check out of? Like he is not?
There's going to be like not a single pass play called of the
goal line because otherwise they'll never run the ball.
The anti Caleb Johnson argument right there, Pat, like Caleb is
the volume and rushing touchdown guy and now you've got Aaron
Rodgers just checking out to, you know, quick slant to DK
instead. You darn Darna Washington
catching the touchdown instead. Or whatever.
Theo, who are Who is your most drafted?
Some of your most drafted players?
You have any veterans in there? Are you a rookie chaser at
heart? I think I'm AI think I'm a
little bit of both for for most drafted players.
I we talked about in Joku, I have a ton of exposure to him.
Drake London's been a guy that I've been clicking the button on
a lot early. I think he's setting up to have
a really, really strong season. I was getting some Bucky Irving
earlier and I still have some, but I'm not like over the top.
And I'd say for another veteran that I'm drafting a ton of is
Jawan Jennings a little bit later.
I think the market is sort of undervaluing him, undervaluing
his role. And I think all of the San
Francisco pass catchers are all sort of well priced to have
success. And now with the Ricky Purcell
hamstring, I think it's going to become clearer and clearer that
it's Jennings. So Jennings has been sort of one
that I've, I've really, really like to add, not just in best
ball, but also in dynasty and in redraft.
I think he's priced really, really well.
It's hard for me to get like super excited about him.
He's a cap sealing guy, cap sealing Dave Davis.
But I think like a a good cap ceiling, like right now you're
paying sort of a low end wide receiver 3 price tag and the end
of the day he could be wide receiver 20.
Brock Purdy likes him. They used him a lot last year.
He's 27 and it was such a like a a difficult run up for him to
sort of breakthrough and get to the level he was last year.
But he went north of 950 receiving yards last year and
everything's just sort of set up for him to have success this
year. So I'm I'm betting on a lot of
these 49ers like the non Christian McCaffrey 49ers, I
think are easy clicks. I think George Kittle gives you
an edge. Jennings specifically.
George Kittle for sure is is one that I like a lot FFPC and also
on underdog. And there's just such a gap
between him and the big two tight ends, I think.
And he's also like Pat, it's like when you go from Kittle at
at tight end 3 down to La Porta at tight end 4, there's a big
gap in like the seal outcome, so.
I agree and I like Jennings too. Jennings scares me.
I I have like 16% of them though, so I'm not I.
Was going to say I draft the shit out of him and Pierce all
but I'm just like so ready for those to be like 2 of the worst
picks. I'm ready for it to be a rug
pool. Like, you know, the Russell Gage
type of play where it's like, oh, this veteran's breaking out.
Who? Who?
Who was the one? The one who brought up Russell
Gage? Me, I I I think I did.
I, I was it. I don't remember whoever it was.
Cuz we we used Marcus Callaway and then we and then I was like,
yeah, I think it's Russell Gage the.
Specter, The specter of Russell Gage.
I was just like, my God, man. Cuz it's not a because Gage had
a Goodyear that he did change teams, though.
I think that to use a positive example, it reminds me like a
little bit of Robert Woods where, you know, he was like, he
also he changed teams and then became something for the Rams.
But you know, kind of a later career breakout.
But he's coming off a really efficient season in a in an
offense that we know can support, you know, really
efficient play. And like Ayukes coming off
injury, Devo's gone Pierce all like might not be anything
there. I think there's legit upset, not
like to your point, though, not like huge upside, but why stop
wide receiver 20? Couldn't he couldn't he be like
wide receiver 14? You know, wide receiver 15, Like
I think that's live. Yeah, I mean, for sure.
Jennings wide receiver, 14. Yeah, it's not How?
Many how many year How? Many Year 5 wide receiver
breakouts lock it Lock it is the one that you can really point
to. Why do we have to say year five?
He broke out last year. Yeah, last year was a breakout
for him. You have to go with the count of
the. Fact 50 point game and how good
was he really he? Was he was good?
Man. I mean, you're doing the laziest
analysis. So I The thing is, is that you
just have like frankly, I do not think there is a good way to
analyze it. I just like for if you are a
numbers based person, if you're a film based person, go whatever
you know, go with God on your Jennings evaluation.
But players like Jennings are so weird, like on the field all the
time but don't get the ball. But then when they get the ball,
it's pretty effective, right? Big difference between yards per
target, yards per route run. Big difference like like set
like something like 70% of his targets his first three years in
league were on 3rd downs or in the red zone, which is like,
it's like crazy. I don't that 70 might be high.
That's not the that's like the the actual number, but it's
really high and then has the crazy ceiling game.
Then like gets cocked at the end of the year by Ricky Pearsall,
who then it's just it's all just very bizarre.
Well, sort of. I mean, he was productive down
the stretch. Ricky Pearsall just had a big
game. For and we're going to clearly
see what they had in Ricky Pearsall.
Like one of the meaningful games?
One of the Pearsall big big performances was week 18 and I
think like Davis, you make a good argument because if you're
anti Jawan Jennings you have to be drafting some personal.
So like I do. It's indefensible to be like
below market on all 340 Niners wide receivers that it's just
like. Crazy.
Think about also indefensible to have 8.3% of every single
player. I have 8 point.
I have 8.7% of each 49ers player.
That's that's impressive. Like last year we had a uke and
debo going and what both were kind of 2-3 turn picks, right?
It's yeah, there's, you know, we've Kittle is more expensive
than last year, but not a ton. And he probably should have gone
here last year. He was, he was undervalued last
year. I also think he's undervalued
this year. But there's like there's some we
can give to Kittle, but we kind of know who Kittle is.
He's not going to just like week after week command a bunch of
targets. He's it's more that when it
comes together for him, he can, he can spike and hopefully that
happens more often this year because there's weaker target
competition, but there's, there's a pretty big role here
for the taking. And I tend, I'm playing it
through Jennings more than pure Sol Pure Sol didn't show that
much last year. I know he kind of came on a
little bit down the stretch, but I don't know, I think I think
Jennings, what Jennings did last year, I think it's legitimately
impressive. How about this for for a a
somewhat lazy comp you with Jennings, you're hoping that he
can be like the poor man's Aman raw in that offense as like a
chain mover and target hog. And you're hoping Piersall can
be the poor man's Jameson Williams in that offense where
he's getting loose for the the big plays.
And those are coming with enough frequency that you're excited to
have him on your roster. But there's still going to be a
ton of week to week volatility to the production.
That makes sense to me. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, I think the The X Factor would be the Debo Samuel
manufactured touches. We still don't know which way
the the offense is gonna sort of change in that regard.
So that's a lot of like the pro Pierce.
All argument is he absorbs a bunch of those Debo Samuel ones
'cause you're not gonna get the manufactured rush attempts for
Persol. But can they emulate that a
little bit by getting the ball in his hands around the line of
scrimmage? So that sort of the would be the
only X Factor with that sort of parallel Pete.
Yeah, yeah. And you wonder, does that, is it
mean more Christian McCaffrey checkdowns, you know, like
where, yeah, where are, where are those going?
But if it is short and intermediary stuff, then you're
back to looking at Kittle and Jennings most most likely based
on just kind of how they've operated.
And I've had this conversation with a couple people, sort of
the ultimate Galaxy brain conversation for like the
rational coaching for San Francisco is George Kittle.
What if they, you know, they give him this huge extension?
This has always been a guy that's been like a sub 95 target
player, incredibly efficient. Do they just say this is the
year and we're gonna get more touches for Kittle And we
actually see Kittle get back to like we he's has 130 target
season way, way, way eons ago. Can we get to like 125 targets
for George Kittle? And he just is the one you need
at the tight end position this year.
Maybe. Maybe they go that route as
well. The one thing I'd say with with
Jennings is like, when with players like this, we have to,
we're basically saying we think that this team is now going to
put this player into a bigger role with the other guys gone.
And that's like a little bit of a dangerous sort of situation
because if it doesn't happen, you know, like, and it could
very easily not happen because we're, we're projecting the team
to like redesign the offense a little bit differently.
But I just looked at his, his first 3 targets from last year.
He was at 20% first St. targets per route run, which was
equivalent to Justin Jefferson and and Amin Ross St.
Brown over the last two seasons. Was it below?
AD Mitchell. It's it's a actually I don't
know, you know, but it might be below that.
Let me check. For a while.
And you got to be a minimum threshold on this on this.
I bet you it is. Yeah, it's below.
He was at 23%, but, but Jennings ran like 430 routes.
So it was a pretty big sample. And I think with him, my point
is like we, we actually saw last year him in the role that we're
drafting this year. Like it's not, it feels like a
projection because, you know, Ayuk's not healthy to start the
season probably and Debo's gone. And so we, it feels like we're
penciling him in for something new, but he actually already did
this. I think he's, he's undervalued
by, you know, at least like a round, like he's probably
probably belongs to one in that fifth round group.
And I'll say, oh, go ahead. I was gonna say one one other
player that I've been drafting a little bit more of recently.
I'm trying to get some exposure to Debo Samuel, which feels like
a little bit risky, a little bit gross, but I think the price is
right for him. I think there's a lot of, like,
vibes in Washington that they have high hopes for Debo.
And just stylistically, they had nobody who gave them any sort of
yak ability last year besides like Austin Eckler.
Like the wide receivers had no yards after the catch.
I think Debo's got a pretty strong role there and a lot of
positives with like the beat reporters saying he's in good
shape and I think the team really has plans to get the ball
in his hand. So I think Debo like, again,
it's the sort of player that I'd usually fade, but I think we
want access to guys Jaden Daniels is playing with and
getting a if you draft Jaden Daniels, having access to Debo
Samuel is just so much cheaper where Debo's like wide receiver
39 on underdog, whereas Terry Mclaurin feels like he's being
drafted towards his ceiling. Now he's been off the field a
little bit, but Terry at wide receiver 16 seems super
expensive to me. Maybe he runs pure again,
catches all those touchdown passes and sort of beats that
ADP, But I'd rather take a shot on the much cheaper but very
clear wide receiver 2IN Washington I in Debo.
And then we bring up the like sort of the rushing attempts.
That's an X Factor. We didn't see that last year in
Washington they but now you have Debo.
Do you not use him as a runner? I don't think it makes sense to
have him on that team and not at least get the ball in his hands
a little bit. So I think Debo's a guy who
could beat his ADP oppositionally by like 10 spots
or more in a number of ways. So I I've been getting some
access to him as well. Yeah, I'm, I'm with you on that
take. Theo and I, I haven't been able
to get much other support with me in the Debo Samuel.
It's hard. Can I get him on a scale?
Can I know how much he weighs
the the? Visual like the the visuals look
good. I everybody saw the the picture
at the Super Bowl where he was wearing the Eagles jersey and it
didn't look very good. We sure.
We sure did see the picture. But the pictures now look pretty
good. Debo looks like he's in shape.
And I mean, the beat reporters are all over him in Washington.
It's a heavily covered team. They're all over Debo's role.
The organization seems to really like Debo.
He has a lot of connections in the building.
And I don't know, it's everything just seems sort of
there. And he's so, so, so cheap wide
receiver 39. I mean, it's not a hard Click to
make and then start trying to make an argument for another
Washington receiver that could make a huge impact behind him.
Davis and you. It's really difficult from the
tight ends to the other wide receivers.
So it's sort of AI think it could be a really consolidated
offense to begin with. But I think Debo is going to get
his usual 90 targets and then on top of it, a bunch of those
manufactured rush attempts and they were so efficient last
year, such a good rushing offense, a team that scored a
lot of points. And we love the quarterback.
So why not embrace like the very clear #2 target in that role?
Have you guys seen Speaking of pictures, have you guys seen the
RJ Harvey picture? The the I have.
The quads. Oh yeah.
Another another backups. Yeah, JK, Dobbins backup set.
It just has incredible quads. Just more, more evidence, by the
way, 2025. It's going to keep being the
year the boomer thought we were going to get a fun second round
pick. Nope.
Better learn. Better learn rookie year, Mark
Ingram, buddy. It's that's just a discount,
man. 152 rushes. Davis, unless unless you were
slamming in RJ, have some. Fun.
Have a little fun this summer, please.
You got to be excited. I'm I, I haven't been able to
get much. RJ Harvey, I'm I hope Dobbins
sign like can we get him? Where would we get him if he
signs? Is he going to be in the Caleb
Johnson range cheaper than that? I think he'll be.
I think he'll be in the mid to late 6th.
I don't. I think the slappies will price
enforce a little. We'll hold the line.
Yeah, we'll hold the line. Davis, what are you going to be
doing at this lake house trip? Like, are you just going to be
in a cabin doing crossword puzzles?
Like I'm actually worried about your ability to let loose at
this point. No, I mean, look, if Harvey ends
up being like 67th, like if Harvey is going after Kamara,
it'll just be like. That's he would go after.
I think he he would go after after Kamara if they.
Yeah, we're just, we're just jamming.
We're just jamming the button. But I I do want to come back to.
For a suite 8.3%. Dude, 8.9 point, 7% of RJ
Harvey's gonna hit like crack. So this is what I'm having
trouble with with the Commanders.
Mclaurin clearly overdrafted relative to like his projections
relative to his baseline, all that stuff.
Debo, I think is the one that if you're using like projections,
you're like, yeah, the wide receiver 2 historically
beneficial, probably is going to score more touchdowns than the
average wide receiver. Like he just is going to be a
positive touchdown score. But also like if you look at
historical comps for running for a wide receiver who got like
half their production via rushing in their career, has
always done it on efficiency, never done it on volume, and in
fact has gotten worse and high volume seasons whose team gave
up on him. It's like, OK, where's a good
comp? Where's the good?
Where? Where's my you want to know?
The best 1 ended with the player in question punching his
teammate the night before the Super Bowl, which would be Percy
Harvin, who was still OK for the Seahawks but struggled with
availability. Well, Cordero Patterson had had
his moments. Patrick.
Not to his third team. Not to his.
Third team that I was kidding. That would be a disaster,
obviously for for where Debo's drafting.
So, so that's where that's where it's just like how cooked is
Debo physic? That's my concern.
My concern is that Debo is is passed at physically.
Yeah, I'm also torn on the Cliff Kingsbury aspect cuz I'm like,
this is one of the few coordinators that I do trust to
try to use Debo like he has been used, but I also I'm like, wait,
I'm getting you're, you're taking away Shanahan and giving
me Cliff Kingsbury and I'm supposed to be cool with that.
It's it's concerning, you know, like, but.
Here's the thing, you're taking away Brock Purdy and you're
getting Jayne Daniels. And like Jayne Daniels has just
been, that's true, a magnet for fantasy points from anyone
surrounding. Yeah, I look, I like Brock
Purdy, but Jayne Daniels is a superstar who was making Diami
Brown and Olamide Zacchaeus like, look like second round
fantasy wide receivers out there.
He was making he. Was making them look like OK
like if you spot started Zacchaeus last year you weren't
like having a great time. Look, I'm just saying if you
consolidate some of that around a real option as opposed to, you
know, spreading it out among four different, you know, wide
receiver three through sixes, I think there could be some
fantasy goodness there. And Pete, you have to also
factor in that the offensive line got much, much better this
past offseason. The Laramie Tunsil acquisition
draft a first round lineman as well, like Jaden Daniels was
able to do that last year with like a very, very average
offensive line. This could be an upper level
offensive line this year. So I don't know.
I Debo like I I thought it was completely done with Debo last
year. Didn't seem like a guy, but this
is a this is like a life preserver bounce back type
landing spot. Just nothing but good vibes
there with Debo. I Davis, I want you to go and
take a look at some of the pictures of him right now.
The the in shape Debo. We'll get you motivated to draft
some. All right, all right.
If I could get I, you know what I need.
I need Debo working out with like Derek Henry, like pushing
tires up a hill shortly. Let me see if I can have these
been like gone viral? Do I have to search hard for
these? I think you can get some Deebo
like look. He looks looks pretty good
there. Doesn't look doesn't look out of
shape there. He does look pretty.
Yeah, yeah. Although it's a bit of a baggy
clothing. I was gonna say he looks a
little boxy, that's all. Yeah, it's always been even.
Even even peek Deebo was boxy. Peek Deebo was like, you know
what? Valid.
Running back valid. That's true.
I don't know. The face looks fairly full here.
I'm not. I'm not sold yet.
I'll get a little bit more flat. I'm going to.
I'm going to get deep into the
Google images later. I'm going to find some for you.
I'll debo the idea. I'm going to.
By the way, Speaking of the in shape pipe, I was listening to
Greg Rosenthal's pod and he Colleen Wolf came on and was
like talking about what Mark Andrews been doing to like
redeem himself from that drop and like how he's been like like
pushing tires in the rain and like doing the rope drills like
non-stop and like jugs machine. And like it really got.
I was like, damn, dude, this guy's like seriously put in the
work. And then they're like, did is
any of that truth? Like, yeah, no, I don't know.
I'm now like a little mentally higher on Mark Andrews for for
that. That's the only silver lining of
having such like a catastrophic singular mistake is it's just
such clear bulletin board fodder.
Like every time you go to work out, it's just like, I have to
avenge this moment as opposed to like I had a so, so season, like
I should probably get better. It's like, no, no, no, the
entire fan base hated you. It still, you know, despises you
because of this drop. What other, what other veterans
have you been willing to take stabs on?
I mean, a couple I put on the thumbnail here, Austin Eckler,
Michael Pittman, any of those guys or or other veterans you're
interested in? No, I tried to make a pro
Michael Pittman argument. I think it's really, really hard
with Tyler Warren ending up there, even with Daniel Jones
potentially starting. I just think it's moved on to a,
you want access to Josh Downs. But there was no targets
whatsoever for the for the tight ends last year.
Like, I think Kyle and Granson had like 14 catches and that was
the the tight end reception leader in Indianapolis last
year. And no, no Indianapolis tight
end had more than like a 6% target share.
And now you're getting Tyler Warren coming in there.
He's going to get a bunch of manufactured looks.
The target share is definitely going to go way, way up with him
there. So I think my bet would be Josh
Downs in that offense. And then again, if you want to
take shots at at Adnai Mitchell, Alec Pierce in best ball, I
think that makes a little bit of sense rather than taking Michael
Pittman, who seems like, I mean, Michael Pittman had like one
game last year that was better than a wide receiver 20 weekly
finish. So I think I'm out on him
despite what he did in years past.
It's just too many mouths to feed in an offense that I don't
really want too much access to. Eckler's interesting to the sort
of the same argument because I think a lot of people are trying
to talk themselves into Brian Robinson this year as sort of a
structural pick. But Eckler had the same points
per game as Robinson last year. They didn't add a pass catching
back. I like Jacory Kroski Merritt,
but I think his, you know, we're projecting him to potentially be
a dark horse to maybe see some time behind Robinson.
I think Eckler's sort of in his own little role LED Washington
in in yak. He had a strong target chair at
the running back position last year and people are just sort of
fading him a little more than they did last year because he's
old. So I think Eckler is okay to
draft in basketball. I don't think you want to go
overboard, but he sort of has his own little mini role in that
team. So yeah, for the thumbnail guys,
I think I'm a little more into Eckler than I am on on Pitman.
Especially I like the idea of there being thumbnail guys.
We have this like small cohort of guys who just watch the
episode waiting for the payoff and the thumbnail waiting.
To be. Like, all right, dude.
We got it. We got a sub Eckler out.
We got to put in Joku in. Yeah, that's right.
That's right. I'll, I'll ask Chris to do that.
Pat. I mean, we've actually, Pat,
you've been on the kind of the bull side of the Pitman thing
and I have heard the Tyler Warren thing come up as kind of
a barricade for Pitman. How are how are you thinking
about that? I just think that Pittman is
good at what he does. He's limited in what he does.
And so when he was getting drafted last year and I, I think
Downs is a better receiver. I think Downs is an awesome pick
right now. I thought Downs is a better
receiver last year, which is why I basically had 0% Pitman last
year. I mean, I just thought he was
egregiously priced as because he was being priced, he has this
like breakout upside, which he like very clearly did not.
But now you know you're getting him around like the pick 100.
He's he's very much a best ball pick.
I don't really have any interest in redraft.
He's priced like he's his back is still broken.
Yeah, his price like his back is still broken.
Now he did limp off the field I guess to close OTAs.
So we got to figure out if there's anything there.
But assuming he assuming that's like not a serious thing.
He's he's got a very established role in the offense his entire
career. He's run a ton of routes like
he's, you know, an outside possession receiver.
No one else in that offense does what he does, including Warren.
Obviously Warren's going to play tight end, you know, and split
out into the slot and do some design stuff.
But that's not really like Pitman's role necessarily.
Maybe on some RPO stuff there's more target competition and then
largely there is more target competition, which isn't great
for Pitman. But I don't know, I think you're
getting enough of a discount on a guy who can play like it just
to me, I'm like, I think Pitman can play.
I just don't think he's he's not great.
But if I can take one of those extra, if I can take a Trayvion
Henderson in the sixth round and take take a receiver pick, you
know that like I don't need to draft.
It's kind of a a boring veteran receiver in the 6th or the 7th
and I can move that pick to a Pitman around 100.
I kind of like doing that right now.
He's surrounded by all of the rookies too with Pittman, Pat
where like I guess structurally your argument makes a lot of
sense. But if you're chasing upside,
all those contingent upside guys are there.
Luther Burden, a Mecca egg Buca is there.
Trey Harris is right behind him. So he Jaden Jaden Higgins goes
like a few spots ahead of Pittman.
I don't know for me if I'm chasing a wide receiver in in
that range on underdog. Certainly I'm I shouldn't like
be telling you how to how to draft underdog, but like, you
know, I want I want access to those to those no wide receivers
like the spike. I.
Like those guys too? Yeah.
Yeah, for me it's, it's more about like, OK, so like Jalen
Waddell's going, you know, in the in the mid 5th.
So I can do him or an RJ Harvey, right.
And then I can I can take an upside receiver or, or a
Pittman. I kind of like the the upside at
running back a little bit more and then taking a guy like like
to me, the upside of a receiver in rounds 5 and 6.
There is some it's not like a hate of a receiver there.
We just talked about Jawan Jennings, who's a sixth round
guy, but the the breakout profiles aren't really so much
in that range. And I if I can, if I can
actually push back and take a Pitman, it's like my wide
receiver 4, right? I feel like I'm kind of gaining
something on the field a little bit.
If I need upside of receiver, then yeah, give me a Buka or
Burden. I mean those guys are really
good picks. Harris and and Higgins are
interesting too. Well, in the same dynamic
happens in that what that like seventh round range, right?
Where it's like if you are behind that wide receiver,
Jacoby Myers and Kalil Shakur are there for you.
And if you're loaded, you've got four.
It's like, no, no, give me Matthew Golden, give me Jane
Reed. Like let me take that, that cut.
And then with the Pitman, like Theo said, there are teams where
you have 5 wide receivers there and it's like, yeah, I'm going
to take Trey Harris or or Jane Higgins instead.
I'm interested to see, you know, with this Anthony Richardson
news, just how high up Josh Downs.
Could run. They're all going to go.
They're all going to go up, though.
Warren's going to go up. They're all going up.
The Downs one's interesting, though, like the Downs one, like
he's been so, so, so cheap. But even if he rises up a little
bit, he's still I think a pretty easy click.
Comparing him to guys like injured Brandon Iuke, that
Darnell Mooney, Cooper Cup like Downs now, I think should be
going where the Green Bay wide receivers are going, maybe a
little bit higher than that. Yeah, I mean, that's where he
should have been going really the whole time.
I think he's he's an awesome pick.
This dude is really good. He's really good.
And think about like, we got to remember this right, in case
this shoulder injury doesn't turn out to be anything and
we're back to where we thought we were a couple days ago, but
being like true competition and training camp.
I think we've actually been marked safe from that.
OK. But my point is if if we get
news that Daniel Jones is going to be a guy's quarterback and
we're like, oh man, to the moon. Like that, that's so you're
right, too low on it. So dumb the.
First, the only bump you should get is the like the stacking
confidence bump that we were just describing with like the
Steelers guys, right or? Just a pass.
A pass rate bump did. Daniel Jones will project for
like two or three more passes per game than Richardson was.
I mean, if based on this like don't we shouldn't the Anthony
Richardson and Daniel Jones ADP just essentially outright flip
Daniel Jones 213, Anthony Richardson 175.
I mean the quote from Stiken is don't.
Think Jones should go that high because Jones is set up in a
Justin Fields esque situation. I think where like, they're
probably still going to want to see unless it's like really bad,
like he's out for the year, like he gets surgery, then, you know,
obviously that's different. But they're probably going to
want to see Richardson at some point this year.
So if Jones starts the season, he's getting benched, like most,
he's just not very good, you know, So he's probably going to
get benched and in part because they'll want to see if
Richardson has anything left, you know, or has improved at all
is what I mean. So I don't know, I would, I
would take Jones a little a little later than Richardson
because he doesn't have quite the same weekly upset profile.
I mean, I just am going to rank them both as round 18 guys and
and probably not have either one of them be a huge portion of My
Portfolio at this point. Well, I do think like I've been
taking Daniel Jones, like in the, I think all the Super Flex
drafts I've done on Underdog, I've taken Daniel Jones because
I've just liked his price relative to the other
quarterbacks there. I mean, Theo, have you been
picking a fighter as far as the the Indianapolis QB when you
start going down that path? In Best ball Mania, I definitely
have more Anthony Richardson, but like you in the puppy but
Superflex, I've actually double tapped the two of them in a few
builds just to kind of see what happens and if they could each
have some kind of usable weeks. They're both kind of priced
right for that double tap. I it's a kind of a weird thing
to take two quarterbacks from the same team, but it could be
split down the middle in terms of starts.
Like we don't know which way this situation is going to go,
whether Daniel Jones starts the year they bring in Richardson,
maybe he falters, maybe he re injuries the shoulder and Jones
comes back in. So I think having exposure to
sort of both of them, especially in the Super flex format makes
sense. I do think in like taking like
to, to Pat's argument of taking 3 quarterbacks, if I'm doing a
three quarterback build, having some access to Anthony
Richardson where he can really take over a game and have a
spike week with his rushing ability, I think that makes
sense. Just having some exposure there.
But in the, the Superflex one, I, I definitely like having some
Jones as well. So sort of all over the place on
this quarterback situation, but I don't think there's any
clarity in Indianapolis. And now, like Davis said, if
Richardson's going to miss a lot of time, it definitely gives
Jones sort of the leg up to start game one.
Oh, but he's definitely starting Week 1.
You would think. You would think.
The funny thing is that like that might be bad.
People are saying there's no chance a rich leads him to the
playoffs. There's no chance he started my
weeks 15 through 16. I would say all the same thing
for Jones. Like Jones is not leading this
team to the playoffs. Jones is.
If he starts week 1 is unlikely to hold the job all season.
Like there's there's almost you almost want the guy who comes in
mid season or something. But then it's tricky because
Richardson's bad enough to get benched.
If he takes over in mid season, he it could be Jones,
Richardson, Jones. So it's just a very
unpredictable situation ultimately for Downs and Pittman
and and Warren and all these guys like you're going to see
some Jones. So if if Jones makes you excited
to draft Josh Downs, like you'll get some Jones.
I don't know which weeks, but it's it's looking increasingly
likely week 1 and then maybe by the end of the season you'll get
them again. Yeah, that's kind of been my
read is that it's not going to be a clean hand off like the
Steelers situation last year. We're going to get like a game
of hot potato going and you're just hoping that the one who
placed your chips on is starting 15 through 17.
And ideally like even then you could probably see a hand off
between. That would be so rough.
Riley Leonard in the fantasy playoffs.
It'll be Riley Leonard Weeks 15 through 17, when they're
completely eliminated. Oh God, we can't handle that.
That is, that is like a realistic possibility, though.
It's a rookie. See.
What you got out of Riley? See what you got.
Yeah, because it could be an interim head coach.
This is the other thing. So it's interim head coach
checking out a rookie. Like it could just be really
gross. Howard, the range of outcomes is
pretty dire. It's.
Pretty. It's pretty tired.
Yeah, it's. Not how are you playing you we
we touched on Terry Theo how are you playing that kind of divide
for round three round four wide receivers as far as vets versus
rookies 'cause you kind of have the like Tyree kill Devante
Adams Mike Evans cohort going up against you know the JSN uh oh
Devante Adams too obviously JSN Rashi Rice, if you're worthy tet
like are you choosing one side there I'm.
I'm usually gravitating towards the young guys in that argument,
but I love Devante Adams this year as well.
I think Adams is just set up to have a really strong season we
it's the first. Like fading Devante just feels
wrong. Like I'm out on Tyree kill at
that ATP. I was going to ask you about
Tyree kill. Yeah, Tyree kill.
I've I've gone back and forth on I did.
I did a top 50 over at fantasy points and it's become a top
100. But I do write ups in there and
I kept like pushing Tyreek Hill further and further down.
He's 45 in my top 50, so I would have no access to him in FFPC or
Underdog. If I'm going with my own
rankings, it's just hard to bet on Tyreek Hill.
The points per game dropped over 10 points per game and the
target share dropped over 10%. It's crazy.
And he's 31 years old and we have question marks about the
offense. So I'm out on him at that price
tag. JSN should be going ahead of
Tyreek Hill in every single draft.
I'm I really like JSN where he's going.
I agree with Davis on the enthusiasm for Rashi Rice as
well. And I've sort of been one where
I've sort of backed up save the pros Xavier worthy arguments all
season long. So I guess I like all those
guys. So but for me with the veterans,
it's definitely Devante Adams head and shoulders above the
other vets in that range. Adams was over 17 points per
game last year on 2 bottom 8 offenses and I know he would
benefited from being hyper targeted by Aaron Rodgers.
But now he's on what I think could be a really, really good
offense. And we saw the target
consolidation between cup and the KUA last year where the two
of them had a combined target chair that was like really
usable. And I don't see any reason why
we shouldn't be treating Devante Adams sort of like we were those
two guys last year. Like Adams I think should be
going a little bit higher in drafts.
I don't see any reason why he can't give you 16 and a half, 17
points per game again, even if Puka smashes.
And in our projections at fantasy points, we have Devante
Adams finishing as a top ten wide receiver and we have
Kukunakuwa as the wide receiver too.
So we're really bullish on those two guys right now.
Yeah, I've I've been kind of surprised just with how much
ambiguity and what a flat tier that kind of like round two
through all of round three wide receivers is that Devante hasn't
made that push up that we did with Cooper Cup last year where
we just got like all in on the entire offense.
Like these two are going to hum and coexist together.
But like Devante, Adams has just stayed pretty flat.
Yeah, it's weird. And I, I know he's old.
He's like super old. That's it's, it's literally all
it is, man. Yeah.
It's the it's the ageism. He's going to in in week 17.
He's going to be 33. I'm 33 man, you know how hard
it. Is to get out.
Of bed in December, I mean. Cooper Cooper Cup was I mean he
turns 32. Wow, I just remembered Cooper
Cup and I have the same birthday.
Cooper Cup was 31 at this point last year and people had no.
Problem. Yeah, and guess what?
The Cooper Cup faders were proven correct by unanimous
decision. The Cooper.
Cup Adams is 32, though, and he turns 33 in December, so by the
end of the season he. Will be 33.
Yeah, it's not so. I mean, Theo, obviously you're
right because the future is unknowable, but like if if if,
if you just if you told me Devonte Adams stays healthy and
and plays at the same skill level that he exhibited for The
Jets last season. I mean, I'd probably rank him
wider Super 12, I'd probably take him ahead of T.
But each year that a player ascends into their 30's, the
more likely it is that they are. Oh yeah, it's a terrible, it's a
terrible bet to make on a 33 year old.
It's, well, it's not actually a wide receiver.
It's not I I was I was looking at this the other day because I
was arguing with someone about Derrick Henry and I was running
the filters for at running back. It's like absurd like Ladania.
It is. It's just kind of neither here
nor there, but we're all we're chatting ball.
Ladanian Tomlinson went from 1900 yards and 18 touchdowns to
the next season having 1100 yards and eight touchdowns while
not being injured. Well, just like how and and
Phillip Rivers led the NFL in completion percentage, YPA and
passing touchdowns. So it wasn't it wasn't that the
offense created. It just leaves you.
But at wide receiver, it just, I think because wide receiver is
so technical to begin with that it's actually you.
You're like the Larry Fitzgerald example, right?
Is that Larry Fitzgerald was still churning out four
reception games at 38 or whatever.
Like you can kind of just get by.
Yeah, it's, it's sort of two things.
Because every in dynasty there's all this has been like, it's
kind of a trope of dynasty where every wide receiver is going to
age well. Like, there's always like this
guy's game, he's going to age so well and it's like.
I think the haters were right. Tyreek is not going to age well.
Yeah, I want to talk more about him in a second, but the, you
know, we always say this about like every receiver and then a
lot of them just crater like a lot of them.
And then some guys go really long, like, you know, Jerry Rice
was productive into his 40s. So it's it's, it's the black
marble thing. It's like Adams is either
probably going to be pretty close to what he was last year
or a disaster. I do think he's cheap enough
where he's like a pretty decent pick at the end of the third
early 4th. Like that's if he's at the 2
three turn. I I really don't think I would
have much at all. But I do think he's cheap enough
to where, you know, he kind of makes sense in the same way that
I'm taking some Mike Evans. You know, Mike Evans is a guy
that I'm like not that excited about.
He's also old. One of these guys.
You would say his game probably isn't going to age well because
it's kind of aging well. And if if he's available in the
early 4th, then sure, Tyreek is 1.
Where? Sorry, go ahead.
No, no, I want to hear you on Tyree.
I I guess I was just going to say it.
It's like it's really hard for, I think our brains as like
upside chasers to be content with taking a late third round
pick. Who's going to deliver late
third round production and not have the chance to be a first
round pick next year? Like if a guy doesn't have the
chance to be a first round pick next year like that kills us to
have to select them. It's tough too when they have
this Age Concern because they're like, well, I'm going to stack
wins. You know, maybe I'm not getting
this, you know, amazing upside play, but but this is a
productive receiver that I'm that I'm adding here.
But it's like, is it because he's really old?
So he might not be So yeah, but it I'm very price conscious with
these guys. But I both I think they're both
fine. Evans and Adams.
The Tyreek one is 1 where like he was at one point kind of
moving up to the more like the two three turn and now he's like
starting to fall a little bit it seems, which I'm kind of
terrified by because I I don't want to be fading Tyreke
actually, if he's like a late third round pick.
I think he's pretty interesting at that price, to be honest.
I mean, like the fall stuff Kyle Dvorchek has cited like just
some crazy stuff with like how ridiculous his fall off has been
in in yards per hour and everything.
But he still had 1.75 yards per hour run last year, which is
like honestly pretty close to Jackson Smith and Jigba was at
1.81. And then I'm like, wait, so I
don't like that he's two seasons removed from from 3.72 yards per
outrun, one of the most insanely efficient seasons ever.
That's bad. It feels like it should be good.
You know he he is. He is 31, but he's actually
younger than Adams. And we know that this is an
offense that had two out with a concussion for a big chunk.
We had a really weird offensive design where they're getting the
ball out super quickly to Jono and a Chan for, you know, a big
portion of the back half of the season.
They haven't really addressed the offensive line.
So maybe that's what we're dealing with again.
But it's not, I guess I don't fully buy that Like Tyreke fell
off in terms of what he's able to do it.
To me, it felt like an offense that kind of crumbled.
And it's an offense that's like a little bit of a Rube Goldberg
machine where, you know, if it's if everything's not working,
then nothing's working. Mike McDaniel kind of gets
exposed every year. I.
Think I need to. I think I need to file copyright
infringement. I'm the only one who's allowed
to compare NFL play calling to Rube Goldberg's.
That was I do a positive view that I I should be allowed.
You know what? We'll allow it.
Conjection overruled. That was the quickest lawsuit of
all time. Yeah, I yeah.
But I think I think it could like you kind of need the
offense to be at least somewhat humming again for Tyree to get
back to, to what he was doing. I mean, you don't even need him
to get back to what he's doing two years ago, because if he
does that, then he's like the guy, right?
You just need him to not be as bad as he was last year.
I I think that I think he could kind of have a bit of a bounce
back in him as part of the Dolphins just kind of looking a
little bit better overall. It makes me think too like and I
I have not done this yet because tyree kill is such a hard click
but a Chan and tyreek together seem like such a good
correlated. That's that's the perfect
correlated bet. Yeah, where you're getting
essentially what you're getting a round discount on a Chan and
like a two round discount on where we drafted Tyree Kill
previously. And if you are saying like, hey,
this was a symptom of the offense and they can get back to
what they did two years ago, like I, I, I need to do that a
little bit more in drafts because I like that seems like a
good way to play that that bounce back.
All right, we can continue this exercise, but I I've been
meaning to bring this up. I want to give Theo I just just
Jameson Williams in out below market, above market.
I'm I'm in and I think I'm above market on Jameson Williams.
I think Jameson Williams is a really good bet to make this
year. I'm going to give Pat a chance
to repent and and wipe away. I'm going to offer you
absolution, Karin. So two things.
First being, are you aware that Jameson Williams changed his
number to #1? That's pretty good.
Yeah. OK.
Come on. That's also Were you aware that
Aman Rasain Brown had an offseason knee procedure?
No, I didn't realize that. It literally just came out today
because obviously all the Lions beat writers were too busy
reporting on, you know, schedule leaks and uniforms and, you
know, they were really busy, so they neglected.
What was the new procedure? I'm sure it was just like a
clean up like a yeah, yeah, you know, whatever these guys do I
I'm going to offer you absolution right now and we will
welcome you into Team J MO if if you but but this is your last
chance, right? This is it.
I'm not going to let you change your mind in the future.
You got. It.
Yeah, you got it. I'm offering you right now.
Yeah, I was it was it it maybe it was ESPN tweeted out like
they did the, you know, from weeks 10 through whatever
Jameson Williams was the widest 22 last year.
Yeah, I was like 22. That's not nearly high enough
for a stat like that. No, no.
Man, it's it's not. I'm just I'm the market.
I get it. I get why the market thinks this
guy's awesome because when you when you dream on like the 99
percentile outcome for this guy, it's.
You know what it's. Ripping my face off.
It's, it's Tyreke. It's it's it's, it's one of
those crazy early Tyreke seasons.
It's one of those like the and I I agree it's in the range of
outcomes. I just don't think it happens
enough times for this price and like largely he's that he's
Jared Goff's number two option and Jared Goff's deep threat
with the new OC and an an offense that he's been pretty
dependent on a dominant offensive line whose center just
retired like it's expensive. It's we've never seen.
We have never seen what we're asking him to do.
It's all projection. It's, you know, and it's.
It's not really. Supported by projection like
it's it's a, it's a talent based projection argument that I think
I understand. You know why people are making
it and I'm terrified genuinely about what he could do, but I
just don't think it's a very good bet at price.
All right, not absolved. So we know where Karain is gonna
be going after season. Peter, will you?
I just put this in the private chat.
Will you just, well, you just shared this.
Did you say? I'm going to hell.
I am. Going that I'm going to.
Hell, with Pat I have less than 1%.
A lot of positive coach speak too.
David, you're getting the OC. The offensive coordinator is a
hype man for Jameson. You know, Dan Campbell is a hype
man for Jameson. Like they they Detroit is really
betting on him. And then we also factor in PAT
teams were coming and calling, trying to trade for him during
the. NFL I know it could.
Have been a massive haul from Detroit.
They could have. They could have traded Jameson
Williams and potentially ended up with a with a first round
pick, it sounds like from some of these teams.
So I don't know. Lots of like.
No, no news on this tweet.
It's just very funny to me. It's just insanely funny that
Dan Campbell. Dan Campbell had a press
conference and said, dude, you know who looks really good?
Jameer Gibbs and Jameson Williams.
Sick. That Aiden Hutchinson guy is
going to be a big member of our that Aiden Hutchinson.
Guy is going to be a big part of what we're doing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, there was the other one here.
Let me see if I can pull it up. This is this is the quote that's
getting everybody excited, too. Dan Campbell said the sky is the
limit for James Williams. We expect him to have a huge
season. It's.
Starting to feel a little Calvin Ridley esque that's I'm just.
I'm just going to put that, Oh no, it's.
Starting to feel a little Calvin Ridley esque.
Davis gets that reference as someone who got caught hook,
line and sinker by that propaganda.
Yeah, but to to Davis's argument, like the Ridley,
Ridley steamed up so, so high. Jameson is wide receiver 26
right now. So even if he steams up a little
bit, like I remember when Ridley was nearly touching the first
round and in some of those NFFC drafts, I believe he creeped it
creeped to like the 1-2 turn in some of those drafts.
With Jameson, he's always going to get, unless this Aman Ross
St. Brown like knee thing becomes a
problem, he's always going to be treated like very much like a
wide receiver 2. And then you've also got the
same Laporta factor where Laporta sort of creeps in there.
He's going to stay right around tight end 4.
So you're betting on multiple pass catchers in this offense.
So Jameson could steam up a little bit, but I don't think
he's a guy that's going to steam past wide receiver 20IN ADP
Davis, like wide receiver 18. If the hype is insane, it's
never going to reach a level where you're having to make such
a massive bet on Jameson that it's going to really, really
burn you if he did like exactly what he did last year.
Well how about this though The what?
What's his ADP in season long stuff?
And do you view him differently in non in non basketball?
Let me pull up the the main event.
So main events right now he's going to right in the sixth
round, which seems, that seems really, really good.
Really, really good. Yeah, I'm into.
That you get off the platform of the slappies and you don't have
to play the slap premium. Yeah, it just gets, it just gets
way. It just gets way better.
But am I not allowed to object to the slap premium?
No, I should be able to you are you?
Are you're going to hell because you're going?
To hell. Object all you want in hell.
You know you're allowed to sin. God doesn't stop you from
sinning. It's just what happens.
Later, let's just sin you have free will.
I'll tell you what, that sort of coach speak actually doesn't do
anything for me. Like, oh, this guy's a freak.
He's the fastest man in the world.
What I'd love is I'd love for this new offense.
He's a coordinator be like, yeah, he's been really good as a
deep threat, but we'd like really have been working on
getting him more involved like on a crossers and throwing in
the screen that that I would be like, I'm too low on him, right?
Now that's how I lose. That's how I lose because
they're like we, he's been used as a vertical threat for us,
which is awesome. But that's why we drafted Isaac
Tesla because there's no other reason to draft Isaac Tesla.
So hopefully that's why. And then you, we're going to use
him. We're studying the way the Jags
use Brian Thomas and we're going to, we're going to use Jameson
more like that. We're going to get him deep, but
we're going to get him, you know, we're moving around the
formation. Would that would that convert
you? Would that?
That would that would convert me to an extent.
The problem is that he would rise on that news.
So I think I'd still be behind, but I would definitely raise him
on something like that. Like if you're if you're talking
specifically about like his role being different, because that's
that's The thing is that like Aminra commands such a huge
share of the targets in this offense has such like a
connection with Goth. I mean, Goth wants an Amira.
Like that is his style of receiver, right?
He can get the ball out quickly, he gets open.
It's perfect. He has to wait a little bit
longer for for Jameson Williams, unless they're installing him in
a in a role that's more suitable to the way golf likes to play,
which would fundamentally kind of change the type of bet that
Jameson Williams is. I have a hard time thinking that
that is going to happen, right? If I have to pay for it, if
you're telling me like that's going to happen.
And so pay for that happening. I'm like, how about I don't, how
about I find other guys where it's not priced in or?
Something about someone like Jameson Williams, I'm wondering.
I'm wondering if it doesn't pay to think about a guy who plays
that way. Listen, I again, I am scared.
I just want everyone to know how scared I am that this could go
bad for me. He he really does have like an
extremely high, like, you know, perfect outcome type of ceiling,
because I think that stuff is in play.
It's not like I think it's he's, he's not live to have a, a
better, more defined, more more versatile role.
Well in like these who are The Who are some of the wide
receivers going around him in in round six of the the mains?
Yeah, So what I mean, you're seeing, you're seeing now and I
and I don't think this will be the case, but it's sort of a
Jameson Williams versus a Chris Godwin, a Chris Alave.
I mean, it's an it's an easy click and sort of to the to the
argument that he goes ahead of like the Pickens Waddles, but
he's going like well behind a guy like a Zay Flowers.
Like I would rather take the chance on a Jameson Williams
than than like a Zay Flowers a player where we have like sort
of a a clear defined role for what he is in the offense.
And Pat you talk about like Jameson as a better best ball
pick than managed. I don't know.
I think no. I think he's a better managed.
Pick. Oh, then I misunderstood you.
Yeah, he managed to stick him in the flex in FFPC.
Stick him in the wide receiver. 3IN NFFC and you can deal with
the the ups and downs, but you could potentially get 3 weeks in
a row where he's like 75 points in for, for three weeks in a
row. Yeah.
I mean, I, I think I'm, I'm very much in on this.
I think the seasons where Jameson hits and and he is like
ripping my face off. There's no question that you're
starting him like he's because the role is different, right Or
or Amanrat misses time. He's not right with the knee.
Like he's he. He has that in him to just be
like a clear cut league winner smash.
Doesn't really matter what you paid for them.
You're just like super psyched to have Jameson Williams.
That to me is more of the redraft archetype.
You know where it's like I'm missing sometimes when I when I
go for players like that, But So what?
I'm stacking up enough huge wins and then I can backfill the
production on my misses in best ball.
I'm thinking more about trying to stack wins in those with
those early picks. So a guy like Zay Flowers, I
find, you know, pretty appealing when he's in the mid to late
5th. Like I'm like, he's the number
one receiver on the Ravens and the the guy he was competing
with the targets at tight end is probably falling off.
This is pretty sweet. Maybe I even have Lamar, you
know, so it's it's a little different for me in in
basketball when I think about the downside for Williams,
because his downside is just like what he was last year.
If Williams is what he was last year, at this price, you lose
and that that to me is kind of scary you.
Don't lose. You don't.
Lose even bet if he if he does what he did last.
I don't think so. He's like, fine.
But you can get buried by the other picks going around him
that. If they that hey man.
That's not an argument you're talking.
That's what it is. Trying to keep my head above
water here. I, I don't mean you lose at the
sixth round price. I mean I'm talking on underdog.
Most of my reservation is really on underdog and that's where I
think like the opportunity cost could really bury you.
It's the it's he's going side by side with Omarion Hampton,
Devonta Smith, Travis Hunter, I get that.
And Jaden Daniels slightly ahead of them.
And now DK Metcalf with the with the signing and like you said,
George Kittle. So I think you, you nailed it,
Pete, with the opportunity cost for Jameson Williams where we
just named a bunch of guys that if they have that peak outcome
season, you're going to really need potentially one of those
guys. So I I get that one.
That's the huge scale tournament Jameson Williams bet at that
inflated price tag is a lot harder than a 12 team main event
league where you're getting him alongside like Chris along,
Yeah. Give me, give me Williams there.
You treat him like we have, you know, Round 1 rookie wide
receivers in main events, right where you start with four
receivers or three. And then you're tacking this guy
on as like your luxury. Like, hey, if it hits, it's
really gonna melt our face off. And if not, like whatever we're,
we're good. Yeah, let's see here.
Any, any favorite quarterbacks, Theo?
We haven't talked a ton about quarterbacks other than Rogers
and Daniel Jones, which isn't too fun.
I've sort of liked the elite quarterbacks this year, the guys
towards the top of the draft. And then when I get stuck into
the the low end QB ones, I I have a good amount of Justin
Fields, Caleb Williams in that range, but I don't mind
specifically for best ball, sort of those low end QB twos.
I think there's a couple guys they're starting with like the
JJ McCaffrey range player, Bryce Young.
And when I get super like kind of gross with it, I think Gino's
interesting because Gino sometimes falls in these drafts
and I've gotten him a lot of times as like the QB three.
I think we're really betting on this Vegas offense taking a big
step forward. And I think Gino could end up
giving us kind of what he did in Seattle a little bit more of
like a QB15QB16 type results. But sometimes you get em.
It's like the QB 27 in these drafts.
So I haven't mind clicking that button.
But I think at the end of the day in in a bunch of formats.
And I had Ben Gretch on Dynasty life the other day.
We sort of had the same discussion where Sean and him
and I think 2, I think it was him and Sean in, in two drafts
might have been him in with Sean in one by himself in another.
But they drafted sort of a elite quarterback in like 2 drafts.
And I think in in like FPC, that makes a lot of sense there those
guys who are priced correctly to give you really big results.
And I put Jaden Daniels in there with with Josh Allen and Lamar
Jackson certainly is like my big three.
But then the Jalen Hurts and Joe Burrow are also sort of in a in
a range where I don't mind drafting them.
So I think elite quarterback, it's fine this year.
And I think it like like Pat, you talked about with the QB
threes, you sort of also avoid potential landfall players that
can really hurt you, that have a a downside risk when you're
drafting those guys in those range.
So I, I think I've been trying to get access to the elite
quarterbacks in best ball and also in managed.
I think they're priced well this year.
Yeah, you just took me back because I do remember, Pat, like
one of the themes to I think a lot of our high stakes drafts
last year and maybe in years past too, is like you get to
this spot typically in like round 5 or 6 and the tier feels
relatively flat at wide receiver.
Like no one's jumping out at you.
And we're like, yeah, we'll just take Kyler Murray or we'll just
take Lamar Jackson. Like let's get that that
quarterback because it's like they seem like the best pick.
But I just remember a lot of times, like regretting it
structurally when I was like, man, I wish we just had a little
more our offensive firepower and like, holy hell, whatever other
quarterback was available in round 12 or falling to round 15
and those two V twos, I remember regretting a good bit.
Yeah, I think though in best ball you're it's not a 2V2 cuz
you're just gonna take another. Quarterback.
No, Yeah, I'm talking to two. Later, yeah.
And managed I think because the other thing is that we tend to
take early tight end at a decent clip.
So you end up early tight end, early quarterback and then?
You can't do that. That's the in high stakes,
you're never allowed to go early quarterback, early tight end.
There's certain guys who have. I mean, you can, I can't.
Build out my starting lineup, Theo, I thought.
This was a really tough, It's a really, really tough bet to make
guys, really. Probably probably probably
crushed last year if you did like Josh Allen, Brock Bowers
probably just like a absolute smash show on FF.
Every strategy works if you pick the right players.
Bro. I it's just my favorite.
My favorite thing has been the Hayden passing around the
honestly like let's be real false propaganda that it was
best to do 0 wide receivers through 7 rounds last year.
I'm like, I'm hoping enough people pick up on that.
Yeah, Jameson Williams will be a late fifth round pick.
I mean if you drafted Brian Thomas junior and Ladd Mcconkey
in every single draft, the zero wide receiver was OK last year.
Yeah, I have AI have a sense. In round one you need that.
Maybe a little bit of mixed in some JSN last year too, yeah.
I mean why not just take Gino on like every main event team?
You can just feel like, dude, he's just gonna be 17.8 to 22.4
points per game every week it's gonna be.
Well, this is a This is a show about veterans and 1 veteran who
hasn't come up yet is Drake May, who's now.
Technically. Technically a veteran and taking
a veteran, any any thoughts on him to you?
I drafted him in a 350 this week as my first quarterback and I
think like if you're committed to the to getting access to
Drake May, you can completely pass on quarterback and get him
usually as like QB 13 QB 14. So like to Pete's argument,
especially in FFPC and FFC, you're able to get access to
some really high-powered players and avoid those early Q BS.
I think Drake may like he the the rushing upside with him is
just so high that you want some access to him.
We do have a lot of concerns about that offensive line taking
a big step forward this year. They addressed it in the draft.
They drafted Campbell in the first round, Wilson the center
in the in the third round. So they put draft capital into
it and we think the offense is going to be a lot more
functional with McDaniels and with Vrabel and certainly
Trayvion Henderson, I think helps Drake may a lot having
that home run hitter next to him where Madre has just been so mid
level the last two years in terms of explosiveness.
So like I'm I'm in on Drake May. I don't think I'm going to be
all in on Drake May. I don't think this is a
situation where you want to have an extreme amount of exposure to
him, but I'm certainly going to have some builds around him.
It's just a rushing upside. He's like a little bit of squint
and see some of that Josh Allen potential rushing ability.
And I think he could be a weapon of mass destruction around the
goal line if it all works out well where he just ends up
falling in the end zone. Could potentially challenge for
not not getting up to like the Jalen Hertz level.
But this is a guy that could end up with a very strong amount of
like rushing touchdowns to kind of give himself a little bit of
a floor on top of the rushing yardage.
Yeah, I think he could do it. Oh, go ahead.
I was just gonna say I think FPC main event style like the combo
of like a Drake May or Justin Fields and then you grab a way
underpriced Gino and you like platoon that like that safety
with just the bigger upside swing.
I put Caleb Williams in that that group, too.
There's a lot of there's there's variance with like Fields and
Williams, There's a little bit of variance with sometimes
people seem to push them up where they should.
Like on paper, you might think it's like the QB 11, the QB 12.
But you're gonna get into drafts where people are gonna say I
much prefer Caleb or Fields to like a Baker Mayfield or a Bone
Knicks. And you don't get to utilize
that plan with Drake May. I don't see people reaching for
him nearly as much 'cause of the fears of the offense.
So he's just a safer bet if you're going in that direction,
sort of the wait on quarterback direction.
But Pete, I think you've got an argument to double tapping
quarterbacks in in FFPC main events have access to two of
these upside bets with mobility and you can end up having some
really strong builds. All right, Vivian just heard
that her father has been relegated to eternal damnation
for fading. Yeah, look your look your.
Look your daughter, look your daughter in the face and say
yeah, I am taking DK Metcalf over Jameson Williams for for
exposure reasons. Yeah, well, she's, she's, you
know, gonna spend her time in California or New York.
So her odds of salvation aren't, aren't super high either.
They're low. Well, Theo, we appreciate you
joining us today to chop it up. Let people know where they can
find you over at fantasy points and the shows they can keep an
eye out for. Yeah, so all my written content
is over at fantasy points. My top 50 expands to a top 100
sometime next week. Also dropping a bunch of Dynasty
articles and redraft articles. Some are, some are behind a
paywall, some are not. And then show wise, I record the
School of Scott with Scott Barrett every single week.
I'm also doing Dynasty Life. Davis came on that recently.
But the big one is Fantasy Football Daily.
I'm dropping about two or three of those a week and that's going
to be expanding to about 3 or 4 in season.
Check out all my shows over at Fantasy Points.
Check out the Fantasy Points YouTube channel as well.
And yeah, this was a blast today, guys.
Yeah, it was great, great having you on there.
And we even got to break some live Aaron Rodgers news.
What a what a treat. Davis continues his run of just
being live during all the most influential events and including
an Elon in Donald Trump, a public feud that is about to
boil over and apparently a pretty fun way.
Pat, what do you got going leg up?
Yeah, just as as you mentioned earlier, we we dropped eliminary
rankings this morning, FFPC baseball Rankings day or so ago.
Matt Irby just had a, a, a good article on the site this morning
as well. I'll be doing some streaming
tomorrow showing off the SIM version of the sidekick as we
head towards that, getting that in people's hands.
Very excited for that. So yeah, check it out on the
Legendary Upside YouTube channel and plenty more content coming
on Legendary Upside. What about you, Davis?
I've got 2 videos coming out this weekend, one on Derrick
Henry and one actually legitimately useful.
This. Normally my videos are just
there for clicks. This, the one that's going to
come out on Saturday is actually legitimately a useful exercise
that will help you draft better best ball teams.
Even if you think I'm an idiot, the way it's framed will like
legitimately help you draft better teams.
True story. Wow man the the mental
gymnastics you have to do to promote your videos now.
Even if you think I'm an idiot, I promise this is the one for
you. Check out the Davis Matic
YouTube channel if you guys missed yesterday.
I did best ball bash, had a fun time drafting and then had Denny
on the randomizer. So if you want a a shot of his
expansive deck you can TuneIn to that show.
And also relevant around here, our girl Steph Miller, she's
going to be joining me on After Dark on Saturday night.
So going to get a catch up with Steph there if you guys are a
YouTube member on my channel. Otherwise, we'll catch you guys
on Tuesday for ADP chasing and then we'll be back next week on
Thursday for Theo, for Davis, for Pat.
I'm Pete. We'll see you guys next time.