Good evening. Good evening.
It's Thursday night. It's the ship cast.
We got a fun one, dialed up, hopefully a good game.
Maybe once on Thursday Night Football.
We got the Ravens and the Bengals in a divisional match up
we got Chris Allen, a noted Bengals fan.
He was on the show earlier this summer, had a blast with him.
He's going to swing by in the second quarter.
Our girl Steph feeling a little under the weather tonight.
So she's not going to be here, but we got our guys from the
Penta crew, our Rotoviz Bros, Hassan Raheem and Blair Andrews
swinging by in the third quarter.
Talk a little ball, Look at one of our high stakes teams we have
going that naturally is starting Keaton Mitchell tonight.
It's the ship cast with Pat, Ben and Pete.
Let's go Pat Fryer, Helmo. This is why This is why I'm hot
Anita hand job. Fix your sight, Jamar Alpha.
Play chase. You can't handle the heat.
It looks like we're finally at this point.
You're right. All right, Pat.
Ben, how we doing tonight? Game's kicking off.
Feeling good? I'm still coming down from the
big, big start sit argument with Pat a a few minutes ago.
We can talk about our pickups here, but I came back to my desk
about 20 minutes ago and Bed and Pat are just battling about a
Rashad Bateman versus Jayden Reid start.
Whatever. I lose.
What's new, right? Yeah, but I never.
Guessed which side I was on. Yeah, let's let's just do some
quick table setting here with the with the pickums first, just
because that'll help you guys understand our rooting
interests. In case you missed these on
Twitter, we're obviously getting excited about that Mark Andrews
catch because we took Mark Andrews higher than 50 sacks, 56
1/2 receiving yards. We got Lamar Jackson over 20.25
underdog fantasy points and Tyler Boyd over 45 1/2 receiving
yards. I mean about as good of a start
as we could ask for there, guys. I missed the.
Start as usual. I I always forget to turn on the
game as we're going live. What about a 14 yard catch?
Yeah, there. That's great.
That's great for us. Yeah, that is fantastic.
Show them the the fivers as well.
So the one of the one of the Fivers is the is the Bengals
passing game built out a little more.
It's it's a shootout Thursday night good game.
The the chat's like are we finally gonna get a good game.
We're playing for one on this on this pickup playing for one.
Yeah, yeah. Well, apparently eternal
optimists around here. Let's go now we got big yardage.
Let's go. You still got?
The worst part about, I thought that was Bateman.
The worst part about this is I know I have to dodge every
Bateman play the whole night. Like we're not going to be
watching Jane Reed together on Sunday.
I don't get to sit there. That's right.
Yeah, we're not. Then because he's not going to
be playing. He runs and running the racks.
Don't you know that? That was a sick route.
You know how I remember Bateman? It's.
Moto Beckham is 3 and Zayflowers is 4.
So and Bateman is 7. So I just you know it's better
than both of them put together. He's he's both of them combined.
Famously. All numbers look alike but you
know that is and the thing if you knew that numbers were
different, then you'd be able to figure out if you knew that
numbers were different, you would remember that Keith
Mitchell already on the field. Third snap, 4th snap, Like to
see that as well. It's all great.
So speaking to Keaton Mitchell, our other five pick legs, so
obviously the core. This one has a we know ball pick
Irv Smith, the the dustiest of all dustman lower than 13 1/2
receiving yards. And then what I later learned
via the underdog Twitter account, the most popular pick
of the night, Keaton Mitchell higher than his receiving yards
7 1/2. So we are.
We're on the square side with that.
One we are fish. That was my suggestion.
I feel like I'm. Full of long he's.
I have to just man. You have to wear it well.
So his rushing line was a lot higher than we anticipated.
I wanted to go rushing. I thought it might be like high
20s or 30. It was up at 37 1/2.
Like he has hit for multiple 30 plus yard gains.
So it's like, yeah, one run might just get him there, right.
We always say that. But it, I mean it was kind of a
lot If he only gets like you know, 8 carries, if he's 4 yards
a carry, he's under that, right? So.
This line looked looked a lot more enticing with the fact that
he's had a catch in each of his three last three active games.
Even though he hasn't really played a ton, they have set some
plays up for him. So if they're going to use him
more, you'd expect there to be something in the receiving game.
7 1/2 yards he should be able to get to well, the fact that
Lamar. All the Lamar 's a running drive
is. Very good.
The the way Lamar like he was going to run there and that if
Bender was going to attack him before the 1st down and he just
like squared back up to throw and it was like it was over.
'Cause the defender's like shit And then he he runs and picks up
the first down Lamar's. He's so good.
All right. Shout out to everyone hanging
out in the chat tonight. Thank you Tyler.
As as always, get those likes up.
We'll be here for the duration of the game.
Fun. First drive here.
Keith Mitchell still on the field.
Mark Andrews getting. Mark Andrews.
Come on, Mark. Well, so that would be tilting,
we thought. No, Oh no, This looks.
Legit hurt dude. He got rolled up on.
That's like a high ankle. Fuck, really.
It seems like it's something like with his.
Back. He like.
Like he dropped the ball quick, man.
Fuck that fucking looks brutal. Jesus Christ.
Do you guys want to make some more Pick'ems?
Jesus. Yeah, that that looked very bad.
That was that was something with the back.
He couldn't like, even move his lower legs it.
Didn't look good. Yeah, well.
Didn't I'm gonna rewind it. Well, gotta love football.
God, Mitchell was on the field like 3 or 4 plays in a row.
So not just. For the first drive, but stayed
out there extended. I'm ready to get back on the
Pick em lobby and start doing all the keep Mitchell over.
Yeah, I'm still waiting. Still waiting to see if anyone
has a report on what happened, but it's all just generic.
Edwin Force has a list of doctors that on Twitter that
that's usually really good. You go to that man, Yeah.
And and like, it's such a bummer too, because you know, Mark
Andrews, I would say kind of a disappointing season, at least
relative to where you drafted him.
You know the Ravens scoring. So many rushing.
Times, although it's been such a disappointing third round that
he's been OK and he's and he's gotten in the end zone a bit so.
Well, that's why. It's been kind of like it's been
a little shakier than you were hoping, but not, yeah, but this
was like on paper the like a smash spot for him tonight.
Like a like a huge smash spot. Yeah, yeah.
And that first drive seemed to indicate that as well.
Yeah. Oh, people are saying hip.
Hip. Yeah, hip would be bad if you'd
get like a fucking displaced hip or something like that.
Well, yeah, a little. You know, there's other hip
ailments. Yeah, I know it under dog counts
his leg. I start joking about doing more
pickums in part because I I I mean, I guess I didn't think
that was that bad. If I just got rolled up on, it
was gonna be OK. But I mean, everyone seems to
think that he, Andrew, was walking off the field with the
pronounced limp and heading right to the blue medical tent.
The fact that he's walking himself.
Yeah, that's great. Huge.
Yeah. That, that's what I was sort of
thinking it might have been right away was just like a oh,
here we go. He got.
I mean, it might be a high ankle sprain is sort of what I
thought. Maybe.
Maybe it maybe I'm wrong about that, but I'm.
I mean, the way he wasn't moving his legs when he first went.
Down. I thought it was like something.
Yeah, yeah, I see what you're saying.
Yeah, it's probably ankle. That's that freaking hip drop
again, man. Yeah, no, that was pretty much
the hip drop. I hate that.
I I I've gotten so many people I mentioned.
I've been tweeting about it since Paulard got hurt.
In the playoffs last year, I got into like a bunch of fights on
Twitter about it, but it's, I mean, and then I got guys, some
Australian followers, like, they actually have rules for this in
rugby. Like, they.
Because everyone's like, how are you going to legislate it?
Like they're not able to tackle what are they going to do?
You can't do anything, you know? There's no way to get them to
the ground, right? Like they say that every time
there's a new rule. Every time there's a new
roughing the pass or penalty, except we stop hearing about
them because they do start to legislate them out and the
players do start to, you know, to handle them.
There are mistakes, There are bad penalties of every sort.
People seem to hate the the player safety ones the most.
But I mean it's only a couple times a game at most.
Like they still find other ways to get him down to the ground,
like 60 other tackles a game. It's like 2 to 3 a game where
there's like roughing the pass or penalties or anything like
that. But this hip drop man, when you
grab him and pull him back and swing your body weight into his
lower legs and he's got all his weight on his legs and now your
weight on it and you're attacking his freaking knees
with your body weight, It's a great way to get him down on the
ground. It's also a great way to blow
out a knee or break a leg like they did to Tony Pollard.
I don't know if that was exactly the hip drop.
I'm not trying to like say anyone did anything wrong.
But, and it's legal, so it's not even like dirty necessarily but
defenders have been doing it a lot more and it is illegalized
in rugby where it got popular and and I'm seeing more and more
talk about it. It's going to be legislated out
of the NFL as well pretty quick. I think the timeline is calling
it a hip drop. So you're not alone there?
Yeah. See a couple Twitter guys.
Initial concern is left high ankle and or mid foot injury,
Yeah. He went to the lap one too.
I think it's. I think it's yeah, wow.
I mean, Samuel makes a he just goes, you know, dot, dot, dot as
a likely season. But I mean we have been saying
Isaiah, Likely's a handcuff tight end basically for the
whole year. If it is a high ankle, he's out
four or five weeks. Like that is a a fantasy
implication. Also update on that drive.
Obviously Gus Edwards came in at the the goal line there and had
a few snaps, but it was yeah, Gus Edwards 5 snaps, Keaton
Mitchell four out of nine plays. So no Justice Hill there.
It's pretty bullish for Keaton. That is pretty bullish for
Keaton. Yikes.
So we we do have no active. Pick em.
He's not gonna play again in this game.
No he's not. Yeah so we're we're gonna yeah
2% shot that he plays again in this game we just punt it off 3
pick Em's. Well, no, because I'm gonna, I'm
gonna get in the mentions of the underdog, the main account, and
just write, void it, void it, void it, refund the void.
It they should just give us. They should just give us the
over. He was gonna hit that there,
right? He was.
He was already there. That's right.
Yeah. It's like already there.
Yeah. He really was sparkled tokens.
He already had 23 yards. I mean on the 1st Dr. give me a
break. I love that we we ramped up our
our vault just a little bit 'cause we were like, we're
feeling good just a little. Yeah, not like, I mean, I I
still, I feel like we made the right move.
We were, oh God. I mean most of it goes, but the
Mitchell thing's already looking great.
Obviously the Lamar and Andrew stuff is looking was looking
great. They scored.
Part of it was the Bengals are just gonna be passing a lot.
That's kind of the boyed idea because the the Ravens have such
a good defense. You don't really want to take
two about it. Like if I pull it up to look at
the live numbers, like, you know now the Zay stuff, the Lamar,
it's all going to be juiced. You know, like where we got it
in, good, now it's going to be so much higher.
Mark Andrews, 2 catches for 23 yards.
We had him at over 55.5. We're we're full and it's into
the game right now. He was already 40% of the way
there. It's brutal.
Let's see here. I'm going to drink.
I showed you guys this. I went to Costco the other day.
This looked interesting so I bought this.
I'm going to drink the whole thing now.
This is Christmas Ale. I just popped this little mini
keg 7.1% alcohol by volume. How many outfits is this
happening? 1.32 gallons Let's I'm not going
to drink the whole thing, but maybe, Oh my goodness, we all
need a gallon of that tonight. Yeah, Ship one.
Ship one to my place. Do you guys, do you guys want to
make a new core here on the fly? This thing pours really well.
Are we gonna be able to Pete or? It's usually pretty tough with.
They don't they pull stuff whenever.
Well, I mean, there's a bunch up in the lobby right now.
I mean, the Baltimore stuff is. We need a We need a delay, like
after a touchdown. I bet we'd have enough of a
window, right? Yeah, Yeah, maybe we need to
wait for. Yeah.
We're gonna be tilting as it constantly adjusts.
Yeah, no glass. You want me to just do one of
these? That's got to be second-half
that's it's way too early for that.
So Jeff Moller says can't quite tell but have consider concern
for high ankle, mid foot, sprain or turf toe.
Either way probably don't see him return dude.
The most frustrating thing for season long leagues where you
have Andrews too. It's like I mean this was about
to be a smash. You started him, you put him in
your lineup. It's just on page 600 yards and
48 catches in this game. I mean, that's a record underdog
should, yeah, should pay out. Accordingly, yeah, come on.
Underdog did the right thing. It's it.
It's this is like the worst part of of like seasonal fantasy.
I've talked on this gun. What's that?
Oh, I I will say his official status update is questionable.
To return. That certainly is better than
doubtful. Here's Boyd.
Yeah, look at this.
So this is Saint Louis Cardinals.
Oh my God. Every void, void, void.
It definitely got to avoid it. Shit, brah.
Nah, man. I need a void.
Void it. Avoid it.
Oh my God, I've seen a lot of people be like, like, why are
you mad at them? Like if they're going to keep
voiding it then. These people like, they should
just get what they can out of the books.
But at the same time, like, I I can't stand by this type of
behavior like other idiot. Like even if like I'm always on
the consumer's side, if they can get what they can get, like not
this way. There's there's another way.
Oh, ma'am, I mean, whatever. It's.
I mean, people are gonna complain on Twitter.
Like, that's just what Twitter's for.
No, but it's it's more funny that there's been because what
happened, right is they the books have done it a couple of
times. I know FanDuel has done it a
couple times in previous years. And what they did is they
created entitled monsters because then you know they were
doing APR thing and being like, we'll do it, we'll make everyone
happy. And then all the fish thought
they were entitled to it every single time there was an injury.
Without understanding, you can bet the lower on a number that
is the thing you're allowed to. Do.
They just showed Andrew's heading back, probably for an
MRI. Man, He looked like he needed
help just to get those stairs. He couldn't get up the stairs.
There's no way. In your turns he's not
happening. Yeah, that's just not going to
happen. He looked like he was in a lot
of pain. I mean, he got his ankle, but by
the way, yeah, so. Oh, Burrow.
Yeah. Questionable throw there, buddy.
I mean, that's a almost like a weird diving tip, 'cause that's
that's almost a pick six. Like, if he can stay on his
feet. I mean, maybe he needed a
layout. I'd love to see a replay of
that. Yeah.
Like, sometimes you go for the bat and you could potentially
catch it. Oh no, that's kind of have to
die for that. But man, if he undercuts that
and is able to to catch it while running, it's a touchdown.
All right. Oh yeah, now's the time to look
where we got. Yeah.
So, like, let's look at the Raven stuff first.
Where's Keaton at? Yeah, that's a good question.
They had him at 38 1/2 rushing yards.
That's up. That's up one, it was 37 1/2 I
think. Oh, currently, yeah, but man,
with Justice Hill not playing a single snap on that first.
Drive. I like it.
I like that. Over.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like it. The Boyd Should we get the Boyd
over back in 'cause we like we like the Boyd stuff like that.
The Boyd stuff's good. That's still the same, right?
It was at 46 and he has a cat. We could also do either Lamar or
Lamar or we could do well. They were moving the ball at.
He already has two rush attempts 10.5 rush attempts.
He already has two or pass attempt might not eatery. 24 1/2
pass attempts is a really low number.
He's been low the last few games, but that's a low number.
But with, like, how leaky they've been, I almost like, I
mean, think about the yardage right there.
I like the yardage. Yeah, less than 170.
Five, but without without Andrews, I could not just pass
Vol in case you're inefficient, no the I think they'll I think
they'll be all right. But for you guys, I mean 24, do
you want how did you feel about Burrow on that drive?
Would we rather correlate Burrow with Boyd and say, like, hey,
they're going to be in a negative game script?
We're going to see a lot of Keaton Mitchell, let's play.
I like the Lamar side better. I mean, I like the I like the
yards best. But I also don't mind the
attempts if you if you feel strongly Ben.
I'm OK with the temps. I just think it we don't need to
correlate it with like he doesn't have to be efficient if
the Andrew stuff isn't working out.
It's what you were telling me last week and you were right.
Or both me and Pete that like the incomplete passes feel
great. Like if he starts to miss people
because the Andrews isn't in there, he's going to get to 25
pass attempts in this game because he's not going to be as
efficient. I don't think without Andrews
25's a really low number for pass attempts.
I'm just worried if they get a big lead here and then I'd
rather be able to hang our hat on a couple explosive plays than
a bunch of volume. Let's do it.
You guys both like it. Let's go, let's go yards.
I think we we're we're going to lock this in as a new core.
Yes, this will be eligible for the giveaway.
Underdog might not void it, but Ship Chasing just voided it for
the giveaway. The $200.00 giveaway is live.
Here is the new core. Likely is not dust.
You're right Tyler. I think this is going to hit
too. I just 24 1/2.
I'm just trying to emphasize the reason I like that is because it
is very low. Like, even for Lamar.
Very low. Well, I like that We, you know
we did some maneuvering, right? The Tyler Boyd's the same.
We were very much in on Lamar there.
They didn't have the fantasy points up for this version here,
but we still get in on the yards.
And then Keaton we had in the five leg, seeing him get all of
those snaps and also had a couple of rushes there.
I do like swinging back to the rushing yards as opposed to the
passing. Yeah, yeah, I like that.
Lamar has gone under 24 1/2 three times in 10 games, and two
of them were 22 and 23. So just by 1 1/2 and 2 1/2.
But anyway, he's going to go over both of.
Them. Yeah.
No, I think that was a good call too.
I I yeah, I mean part of the the play overall tonight for me.
I mean, I love the Andrews part of it because I think you can
really attack the middle of the field here on the Bengals.
That's that's something that popped up in the the numbers I
added this week. Added EPA on splash zone targets
so that you know 10 plus area yards over the middle of the
field for offense and defense. And the Bengals really popped as
as a team that was not good at that, not good at preventing
that. They're also very poor against
first reads and they're really bad at preventing explosive
passes dead last and explosive pass rate against.
So my my thing was. Oh, here we go.
Let's go. Oh, Dell, catch it.
That was 70 yards. That would have been.
That would have been very helpful.
Explosive pass rate as Pat's narrating it.
They. Go deep and he's behind the
defense. It's the The Luanne Rumo thing
really is like, honest. I joke that we need to hire this
guy's publicist like this. This defense sucks in coverage,
like that was The Greatest Passage, but greatest
advertisement for the walkthrough I've ever seen.
We need to clip that it was Pat breaking down and walkthrough
terms with the deep ball as he's.
Getting behind the defense in real time, he's describing how
this is going to be something that's going to work, and it
happens in real time. It was incredible.
That was. I got goosebumps.
It was amazing. Well, I wish that he.
I wish that he connected, then, that we could have danced
around. Michael says look, the brand
can't have an Odell bomb hit. This is like DFS.
The beauty of DFS. It's like you can fade Joe Mixon
all you know offseason, then you get to play Joe Mixon in the one
good match up all year. It's the same thing once you got
the Lamar Passing Yards, but we're all Odell fans right now.
Unfortunately, Joe Mixon will cost you your entire week's
entries once you, if you like, button them in DFS.
But you can play them. You can play them.
No, I've played him. I've played him.
I've played him in October and it didn't, it didn't work at
all. Yeah, the chat isn't liking that
Mitchell got a negative negative.
Rush the chat is going to reveal themselves as fishes if they
don't think that the whole question about Mitchell was, is
he going to be on the field? Like it's.
I have 0 concerns as. Long as he's.
On the field, the worry was it's just going to be like fucking
Marvin Mibs and you're never touching the ball.
Could you guys tell me what he's pacing for right now?
Is it -250 rushing yards? I think, yeah, -250.
Oh, man. Come on, Lamar.
Come on. Oh, don't take a sack.
They do have a good pass rush. I noted that.
Oh man, that explosive play would have been perfect.
I will say yeah for the for the the script to.
I mean with the Lamar. I mean it's we're completely
content with the Bengals scoring man.
The more I see that Andrews thing like he gets rolled up on
but his foot isn't necessarily caught is it oh is it his right
ankle? Oh, was it the second ankle?
The first ankle? Get Oh man.
I don't know, I don't know, Edwin said.
It was likely high ankle, he says.
You can see Andrew's foot goes into the everted.
I I didn't even know everted was a thing.
Everted slash high ankle mechanism then toes off
implicates potential high ankle sprain and or foot slash toe
sprain. Severity isn't always captured
on video so hope for the best and then he said MCL less likely
but in play. Yeah.
And then, I mean, so the weird take, but he kind of gets both
ankles rolled up on him seeing a a an angle that I missed the
first time and maybe part of his immediate response that was so
aggressive was like, man, I just got both my ankles rolled up on.
But maybe there's some possibility that like, you know
they're both not that severe, but it's just like a little
shocking when you get both of them like, it's Warren Sharp
just sent this. It's a a vertical.
I don't know. Can we put it on?
Yeah, I see. I see the one you're talking
about here. Yeah, he gets ridden on the
first one with the hip drop, but then that gets that whole thing,
gets his one leg, and the hip drop all comes into the second
leg. So the first leg doesn't really
get caught, but it's still, it's still being inverted or
whatever. The second ankle then gets the
right ankle, gets caught. It could be the right ankle.
Yeah, I don't know. Oh, man.
I mean, it's not great. You see the right one, his his
left chin is up, like hitting his right one.
This is all his weight. Ankle's right one right there.
Oh, sorry. Yeah.
Deepak Chona says ankle didn't bend that severely, but the
prolonged force while it's being dragged suggests at least
moderate severity. Not impossible, but would be
surprised if he returns the prolonged force while it's Dre.
That makes sense. Yeah, 'cause he's doing the
fucking hip drop. He's upside down.
He's hanging on him and putting all of his weight on his ankle.
That makes me so mad. Like, are we not about player
safety? That's there's nothing that
could possibly be doing other than breaking his fucking leg?
Like, it's it's insane. I I every when I was talking
about that with Pollard and every time I do this on Twitter
I get the you know I'm soft like whatever like how they how they
going to get guys on the ground they got to play the game stuff.
But I mean, I just, there's got to be a different way than that,
man. Yeah, all
right. Tyler Boydton
these guys have so much upper body strength these defenders.
I'm I'm watching the play again he he literally because he's
hanging on on Andrew's but he's using his you know his arms.
He's basically doing a pull up to to get his whole body weight
off the ground to make sure that his full body weight is going
into Andrew's legs. Which is again like I mean I'm
not saying it's dirty because it is what's in the rules.
That's kind of what they're taught.
But man, it's not. Yeah, it's not great for the
health of the offensive player, right?
I mean it then, like, it's we're supposed to be protecting the
offensive player. We are.
I'm a fantasy analyst, so I'm going to sound soft if I have
to, but like, I don't need Tony Pauler breaking his leg last,
you know, playoffs and not being able to get explosive plays this
season. Yeah, it hasn't been fun.
There's been a a number of significant leg injuries from
this tackle. I can't think of more of them
right now, but I'm sure the shot would be able to call some of
them out. Well, that's I mean.
There's, you know, the the timeline fully agrees.
That's a pretty sick scoreboard in Baltimore, it said.
Visitors want quiet. Please respond accordingly.
This has been a long first quarter.
Oh. Man.
I'm gonna need to go get a Costco sized thing at Tequila.
So the chat saying he's on crutches.
Yeah, that was a report in the X-ray room and is on crutches,
unable to put weight on his injured ankle.
So what's our new core? It's Keaton, Mitchell, Tyler,
Boyd and Lamar. We're gonna.
Yep, we're gonna nail this. God damn the victory was it,
Pete? You introduced this as boy did
we finally get a good game. And then on the 1st Dr. Mark
entrance end the punk crunches. What fucking shit?
And it was going to be. I mean, we were off to the
fucking races. Oh God, who wants to?
Call bullshit on our friend Davis Maddock, who tweeted the
Marc Andrews that Marc Andrews might be what I needed to cure
myself of ever playing fantasy football for money ever again.
We could be playing fantasy football for money in about 24
hours. I don't even know if it's going
to take that long. I think you're going to take 24
minutes. Like he's probably in Battle
Royale right now. Right now he's police drafting
tonight, right? There's no way he's definitely
drafting. I think Davis is listening to
this and drafting right now. Now, I don't.
I don't mean Thursday at 5:45. I mean he's an audio listener, I
believe. I think whenever you're
listening to this, Davis, you're fucking drafting too.
So I just saw Andrew's walking. He is the limp is the left leg.
It's the one that got written. It's not the right leg anyway,
it's not great, any of it. Yeah, by the way, if my video is
freezing more than usual, I would like to note that I I
don't know if it is or not, but I I'm having to replace all of
the charts from the all of the early games for all the
receivers in the walkthrough, which I'm doing right, no?
Why 'cause I I screwed up. I had all the open score from
last week in there instead. Of this week.
Jeez, actually I need to do the running backs too now that I
think. Oh, that's so annoying.
Yeah, you do. A lot.
Archandrews officially ruled out, by the way, So we can give
out what little candle we left on now.
Now we all just need to tweet at Underdog.
Say ship chasing sent you void. All bargains don't actually say
that. Please don't hashtag.
Write the ship. That's that's the campaign.
Okay. Write the ship.
We're. Right into underdog and say if
Ben Gretch finishes his Costco sized keg by the end of the
first quarter will you void Hallmark Edgers bet hashtag.
Write the shit. How do I keg stand this Get a
screenshot dude. Get a screenshot of Gretch It's
all so fun. How much is 1.32 gallons chat?
I got AI Got a job for you. Tell me how much 1.32 gallons is
in 12 ounce beers. That's your math puzzle for the
week. There's your sporcle, I'm.
I'm interested. There's your sparkle.
You said it, you said you have 1.32 ounces or 1.32 gallons, so
that's 169 nice oz. So if you had like what, a 16
ounce beer that's like that's over 1010 pints, basically it's
only at 7.1. Do it by, do it like by like
it's how much was it, how many ounces, 12 ounces, yeah.
That would be 14 all right. So it's like a 4 / 2 pack.
Yeah, yeah, you. Can do that.
These are not Bud Lights though. Again, I, I, I go back to the
7.1% alcohol by volume. Oh, it's 7.1%.
Yes, you would die. You would die, don't you?
We're not talking about 4.1%, You know, that's like that's
like 24 pack of Bud. Like you can't, Yeah.
If there was a reality, some weird distorted reality, where
if you were able to drink this entire thing by the end of the
first quarter and it meant Marc Andrews would return to the
game, do you think he could do it?
I In what capacity would Andrews return?
Just for Ben's, for Ben's health?
We should. No, I'm just saying in this
weird hypothetical, Gretch can summon him back if there's not a
drop of beer. I'm going to tell you a story.
I was at an ASB conference. I was in ASB in high school.
Is that an ASBA week long thing? Like, you know, leadership
thing? Whatever.
We had a bunch of other schools there.
We're in the cafeteria middle of the day and I was just for some
reason started drinking. You had like a buffet style meal
thing and I was drinking a bunch of these little cartoons of milk
and we started figuring out that I was getting close to a gallon
of milk. Do you remember the gallon milk
challenge when we were in high school?
It was like a thing. We can't do it.
Yeah, but I I started drinking a few of them and then people are
kind of saying oh let's see how many you can drink.
I drank a few more. I got about like halfway there.
Right? And then I and then I had
somebody ask me or or start to tell me like you know, you got
to do it. You know this is the leadership
place we're at. Whatever like you you got to
show some leadership. My my good buddy Brent Fleiber
who's a stand up. I don't know it's it's AI don't
know it has nothing to do with leadership.
My buddy like buddy it was more of a a a pride thing in our high
school and my buddy Brent Fleiberg is now a stand up
comedian in in SoCal Go go see a show if you live in SoCal Pat
you should drive up to LA go see a show.
He goes he starts gives me this Ryling speech and they and they
had brought over all the little cartoons of milk.
He's like, you're gonna quit now when a Linwood quit kid quit,
which was like our big rivals and he's like.
Linwood Oh yeah, he he threw Linwood at me.
So I chugged all of the rest of the milks and then I had to go
immediately to the bathroom. Bread came with me, acted like
he was peeing. I started vomiting all over the
place. So the answer to your question
is physically, I think I could 'cause I'm that competitive, but
I think I would puke it all out really quickly.
I've I've proven. Before Congrats, you're gonna
have to drink two of these now to bring both Marc Andrews and
Lamar Jackson back. Because you kidding.
I mean, that looked like another fucking ankle sprain.
Looks like the same fucking thing.
Is it the same player? Jesus.
This is disgusting. Was that another hip drop?
Was it the same? It's the same guy, Steven saying
no way if that's the same dude hip dropping.
It's the Wilson dude, No. Yeah, 55.
I just saw the injuries. One on my timeline.
Again, that's what I just saw with Lamar.
That was the same dude. It looked like the exact same
thing almost. And the it's like I said this on
the Andrews thing. You can't call him dirty because
it's part of the rules like it and everyone's going to have a
hard time with this. But like it's, I mean, it's
fucked. It's a it's a he's now he's
going into the tent. My God.
Pretty soon there's going to be no players left for us to put in
to pick them. Man, this has been the worst
year for quarterback injuries ever, right?
It's been absurd. Ship chasing Public Enemy #1.
Whatever chats, having a good night at least.
I mean, there's some good before the Lamar injury.
I'm looking back at the at the comments when I was telling my
little milk story, there's some funny ones, Vadim said.
I would. I would send underdog Taco Bell
if they voided the injuries best, which is pretty good.
What is it? Is it still Huntley behind him?
Yeah, yeah. He played a couple weeks ago in
a blowout. Tyler Boyd, Target.
Got to celebrate the small wins around here these days guys.
The market of play if this game doesn't on a prime time game
doesn't make hip drops. We should probably not.
Create any more pick'em entries and not risk another player.
I can't believe. I can't believe Underdog hasn't
raided the ship yet. The campaign really makes it so.
I'm seeing seeing tweets about Logan Wilson being dirty and I I
just said a minute ago like I I'm saying that you know what
I've like It's not like the Headhunters man.
Like it is a part of the rules. That's why they do need to make
rules against it like it's. There's only one man who can
save this show who can increase morale in its fantasy life's.
Chris Allen. Chris, welcome to our personal
funeral live on stream right now.
What's going on boys? This game has been pretty rough
on the injury front so far. Yeah, that's that's what I've
that's what I've been catching so far.
It's been it's been not so good if you are a Mark Andrews bag
holder. So, so yeah, man, all of our
pickups tonight, we're Marc Andrews pickups.
We We are Marc Andrews Bagel. And then we made a new one.
Chris, we're like, you know what, We're not going to let
this Marc Andrews ruin our night.
Let's spin it back up again. And then immediately, Lamar
Jackson hurts his ankle as well, who we naturally had in our
pickup. But otherwise, Miss Lincoln, how
did you like the play? It's been it's been tough, man.
And I I know for and I know Baltimore like Ravens fans like
probably don't want to hear me start crying about anything.
But man just just seeing this this the Bengals like not
implosion's not the right right term for it.
But just the way that the season has gone in general and to and
to kind of see the results so far it's it's just been a rough
season for for everybody. And like the AFC North being
like I knew that the AFC North was going to be like a tough go
of it. Just looking at the team
strength and even if Deshaun Watson was going to be like a
like a solid quarterback mid or or whatever, but just thinking
about their defense, Steelers have always given them tough
times. And then Lamar, with this new
like with Greg Roman like out and then getting like Todd
Monkin, it's just, man, it's tough.
Yeah, Has there been how many games this year have the Bengals
played, Like fully healthy with like Burrow chase?
Take In's mix and have. How many games have they had
with that? It's probably about two.
Yeah, ridiculous. Burrow well, I mean fully health
cause Burrow wasn't healthy early.
Early in the season they were mostly all playing right.
He wasn't really healthy though. Yeah, since since Burrows then
in and out, yeah. Yeah, well, but like Burrow was
playing through a cap stream, was not scrambling, was not
moving his A dot was super low, quick, really quick.
He wasn't even, like, really healthy enough to get the ball
down field. Yeah.
So like, depending on how you look at that, like definitely,
definitely not a lot of them being because they they started
to look better after the five, they beat the Niners right Then
they beat the Bills and then now and then T Higgins gets hurt
again. It's just yeah, it's not, it's
not look good. Yeah, yeah, it's it's been a
tough go of it. Like even when Higgins started
to show out, because I know that his, like his yards for outrun
was just like super low, like even from a career standpoint
for the first like 4-5 six weeks.
And I know that. You can characterize a lot of it
because of like what Burrow was was having to deal with from a
passing standpoint. But even when he started to come
on from a fishing standpoint, now you got this hamstring
injury. The running game still hasn't
started like the to to click yet like we'd hoped it would like it
did last season, like after I think it was like about this
time last season or no, maybe early in that it was around like
week six, week seven when they probably started to get more of
a more efficiency out of mixing. Just like nothing's really
coming together like it did last year.
So it's just man, yeah, it's. One of those things where, like
when the team starts that badly, like, it just puts you behind so
much because you're always going to have even really good teams
are going to have like weird stretches.
Like, I kind of feel like that's what's happening to the Bills.
Like there's, you know, their efficiency is really good on
offense. Some They've had some Inoptune
turnovers. They've left 12 men on the
fields, which is super stupid and definitely the offensive
coordinator's fault. Yeah, totally Dorsey's fault.
But you know, that type of shit, like can happen to any team.
And Bengals kind of got things righted.
But then they've also like had some let downs, which is, Which
is natural, Like you're not going to be able to just be
super hot just 'cause you're healthy for, you know, the
entire rest of the season. Yeah, yeah, There's just a lot
of variants that goes into not just injuries, which I think
over the most part, I mean the Bengals weren't they what the
Jamar chase had that, what that hip, the hairline fracture in
his hip throughout like the middle part of last season.
But overall, they've been able to stay healthy for the most
part of the past couple of seasons.
So now like if you want to say like injury regression is a
thing, like that's that you know that's starting to crop up.
Then the schedule being as it was also not all that great.
So it's just a a lot of things that could have Hanford them and
things are really starting to become like just things that we
would that we've seen happen to other teams that are just happen
to pop up this year. It's also making me think like
with, you know, you thinking about how sometimes you look at
win rates, you know, for best ball stuff and it'll be like, oh
really tight end smash. And it's just because Travis
Kelsey like this year, you know, like the the QB window guys, you
know like the you know round eight through round 12 it's
gonna have disastrous win rates this year simply because of
injuries, right? Kirk Watson.
Rodgers, Richardson, like all of those guys just like firmly in
the window like if that was your macro strategy of like waiting
and. You're gonna get.
The tough part about that too, Pete, is it like Kirk Richardson
were were both awesome picks. I feel like I'm forgetting
another guy who got hurt. That was a good pick, Rodgers.
I mean, I've it's. Too.
It's tough to say, yeah. I don't know if we could have
known that. But then, like Dak is one of the
best picks you could have made, Two has been a great pick.
So like overall, you wanted to be in the quarterback window if
we turn off injuries and then obviously it's like Kirk Cousins
tears his Achilles. Like that's about as you know.
Well, that's what I mean. I'm saying it like would have
worked out, but in hindsight if you just retrofit the the
advancement rate data you'll be like oh avoid the QB window.
Like not understanding, it is still so contextual to just
players 2. Years in a row, too, because
last year the quarterback window was was pretty rough as well.
Yeah. And mostly because of injuries.
So it's just it's going to, it's going to look like the date is
going to suggest that you got to get quarterbacks early.
Yeah. Yeah, what?
How's the How's the season been going for you, Chris?
Otherwise, other than you know, sweating the ups and downs of
the Bengals. I mean otherwise I think it's
been going OK. I think a lot of the just like
general approach to team strategy or like drafting teams.
Some of the picks that I had at least thought of like going in
from a like the Chargers. I think building around guys
like Herbert, Keenan, I think overall strategically were was
were the right calls a couple of the rookies that I had.
Kind of like highlighted over the offseason that was really
high on Jordan Addison. That's looking like even like
outside of the the Justin Jefferson pick.
I think once we saw him on the field for the Vikings, I think
that was a fairly solid call. The running backs though and I
wanted to get you guys take on this.
I know that for most of the latter part of the offseason,
guys like. Bigsby, Kendra Miller, they were
starting to catch. I wouldn't say Steam from like
an ADP standpoint, but I know that the workloads for a lot of
them were things that like we were projecting that to be at
least difference makers throughout like the like for
this part of the season. Like once we get into, we're
getting close to the playoffs looking for, you know, that that
that championship like type of push.
And I mean those guys have just been non factors.
So I just wanted to get you like wondering what you guys had
thought going into the season and maybe if there was any sort
of leak in terms of how we looked at either like for those
two specifically and any like any of the other like running
backs. I mean, a Chan has been fine,
but like Miller Bigsby specifically, I thought were
just guys that I thought were going to be fine, but we just
haven't seen anything out of them.
Yeah, I mean, I think the part of it was that this rookie class
was kind of, you know, I thought that the rookie class was
actually kind of interesting because there's like a lot of
guys who were like they weren't great prospects, but they were
kind of interesting prospects and it was kind of billed as a
really poor rookie class. And I mean HN is kind of doing
he's, he's carrying a lot of the weight for that take because you
know, he's like amazing. But Charbonnet I think is
someone who's coming on now and. You know was available in kind
of that late single digit round, early double digit round not too
far ahead of big speed by the end he hasn't done much but he's
kind of become their passing down back now.
So he's sort of in position to where he could be interesting
late. But yeah I mean a big Bigsby I
think was mostly like a contingency bet I in in My
Portfolio and and rankings. I was high on ETN and Bigsby
because I felt like. That was the best way to play
the Jacksonville offense. Bateman, come on, you almost had
your your dunk. Yep.
I mean, they're taking shots. Yeah.
I thought by the way, Pat, you should plug I, I know a lot of
people already follow your legendary upside, but you guys
did a couple really good pods with Kyle and Daniel, just like
a mid season process review on your best ball ranks and like
where you guys closed and what you got you on stuff.
I thought it was very, I don't know, like illuminating too, to
kind of think back through things from a process and what
you guys wish you would have done differently and not.
I really enjoyed that. Yeah, yeah, thanks.
It it those were a lot of fun. We we did two, we did one on the
early rounds and one on the late rounds.
Basically just one giant long podcast split into split into
two because we had to do stuff that sounds awesome.
I love that Pete was like, you should plug this and then did
like the greatest plug ever. It's just like it's your most
through Pete's face. Like, it's just he's just like
he just knows how to plug. Yeah, he does have plugs.
The guy can plug. Speaking of plugs, so we did
have Chris on this summer. We drafted a couple best ball
mania teams on my account as part of my 1:50 set, and the
team we drafted with Chris is currently advancing.
It's in second place. I wanted to pull it up because
it's a pretty fun team. It was the punt QB, Kenny
Pickett, Kyler Murray, Desmond Ritter.
So Kyler coming along at just the right time has Christian
McCaffrey, Javante Williams, Devon H and Jamal Williams.
Roshan Johnson. Wide receivers pretty solid.
Devante Smith, Keenan Allen, Drake, London, Deante Johnson,
George Pickens, Cortland Sutton and Rondell Moore.
And then the tight ends Kyle Pitts, Trey McBride, Hunter
Henry. So like this late breaking
Kyler, Rondell Moore, McBride, Stack H and coming back CMC.
Like there's some stuff to like here.
There's nothing better than looking at a team that has a
Kyler McBride stack that is hell yeah in contention.
Yeah, exactly. That's already there.
It doesn't have to crawl crawl its way back.
Yeah that's that is a gorgeous feeling.
Like we were talking Pat and Pete in some some of our chats
this week about some of the some of the portfolio stuff and I saw
that on a couple teams that I clicked on and I was like oh
this team fucks this team is ready to go it's it's close and
it's got like because Kyler looked completely back I.
Was a kyler futter like the whole summer, right?
Like he's not going to run when he gets back.
They're not going to want to turn him loose.
Even this last week I was like, they're going to do a bunch of
drop back handoffs, straight handoffs, because they're not.
They don't want him to get hurt like they're going to ease him
back in. First came back from an ACL,
fully back. He looked so athletic.
He looked he was scrambling all over.
I mean, we all saw the highlight, the one really big,
his touchdown run where he like, ran all over the field.
It was Pete Kyler. Like he's he's a top ten upside
play the rest of the way at quarterback and then McBride as
a result who also has been playing really well.
There's the like I wrote about it in since since this year I
talked about like the echoes on the ranges of outcomes but like
there's the echo on Trey McBride's range of outcomes
where now you have Kyler at quarterback, right and and
you're also playing well and so everything's aligning for you.
McBride is looks like an absolute smash.
Yeah. Also, I've got to give a quick
shout. I know those of you who are in
the ship chasing Discord are very familiar with this tool.
I think Liam's tweeted a decent amount about it, but our guy,
Patrick Donovan ship chaser, he put together this Screener B
bmdb.com, which sounds far dirtier than it actually is, but
there's all kinds of fun ways you can search by user.
You can look at various player combos if you want to see, like,
hey, what is just my advance rate of Sam Howell teams.
You can click on any team from there you can see your score.
How far behind. Just a super, super fun way to
kind of review your portfolio or anyone's teams you want to check
out. So I'll place this in the chat.
Just a sick resource here. I spent about half an hour of
time I didn't have on this today.
This is why I was just talking about yeah yeah, our chat Pete
you you mentioned this link and I spent a ton of time on it.
I said this is awesome Pete I just wanted to mention you were
the the the sharp that got us on the Herb Smith under.
We don't actually I guess care about that anymore as as a but
anyway he just got a target and fell down away from the ball, So
I just thought that was very funny.
The but Chris you asked a minute ago about the rookie running
backs. One thing I wanted to chime in
on that was I, so Sean and I are stealing bananas this morning
redid our, we like to do the the the 2024 first round you know
and so last year we did a mid season update we did it again
this morning. So that's a fun one and one of
the things he brought up was you're at this point in the
season where. In pre season, we both ranked
like JSN in our 2024 first two rounds, but we didn't right now
we're at this point in the season where we might actually
be low on some of these guys. We know that rookies break out
late in the year and this is the exact point where it feels like
none have broken out. But if you look back at past
years and you actually look at where we were at in week 10 or
11 and where we're at the end of the year, there's always a
couple that that are going to break out between now and the
end of the year. So I do think there's a little
bit of. Whatever you want to call it,
calendar bias, right. Like where we're at right now,
it feels like this is a little bit of a worst class.
We're going to feel I think better at the end of the year.
I don't know who it's going to be, but I, I, you know, I mean
that's like the the, the big picture data says that, you know
those these guys tend to hit. I guess would the easier call be
for it to be like Bigsby over Miller since Miller starts to
work through Jamal? It doesn't seem great for
Miller, does it? It doesn't seem great for Miller
or and I think that's the thing, right the, you know, the
contingent upside is still there for Bigsby, but some of these
just you're gonna climb the depth chart on pure talent
alone. Like some of those outs are
greatly, you know, diminishing. Right.
I think, I think Charbonnet's one of the better bets there
where he's he's in position like could Charbonnet have an amazing
like weeks 14 through 18? Like, I think he definitely
could. Yeah.
You know like he's he's already been receiving down back and
Walker's really inconsistent as a rusher he's got.
He's also below he has fewer yards than expected per NFL Next
Gen. which isn't like you know he's been mediocre there.
He basically his burst has been mediocre by that measure and he
he rates well in breakaway yards per games and some other PFF
stuff. So he's generally like who we
think an inconsistent boom bust rusher with the burst there.
But he hasn't. The burst hasn't been special
this season, and he's been just as inconsistent as he was last
year. The Yeah, I mean it.
It and it happens. Yeah.
Who? Who are the guys that you think
could and there doesn't have to be specifically a this year's
Aman, Ross St. Brown or whoever.
But are there any guys that don't need an injury that you're
still excited about their chance to really come on?
I think one of them, that's a good one.
Wilson Yeah. That's a good one.
I think one of the things that's going to say with these backs is
you guys started talking through them.
The Saints, the Jags, even the steel, the Seahawks look like
they're headed for the playoffs, so it's a little tricky for
them. But some of these teams that
wind up out of it, like if the Saints wound up out of the
playoff picture somehow, which they're not going to cause, the
NFC South is so bad. But like that would be a
situation where you could get the, you know, we're going to
sit down Alvin Kamara or he has like a light injury and we're
going to, we're going to put him on IR and we're going to let
Kendre Miller see what we have and Kendre Miller.
I don't know who the great example of that is on the teams
that are actually going nowhere, but maybe Roshawn Johnson.
You know, maybe we get a Roshawn Johnson run out late in the
year. He bears it going nowhere.
Yeah, and. It's like it doesn't, the
running back doesn't happen, but maybe it maybe it does, you
know, the running back stuff definitely feels a little
tougher, but like we may have, it's like one of those things
we're heading into the season. It was like one of those I was
trying to explain like, this is actually not a bad running back
class because we have a Bijon Robinson.
Like there's a Bijon Robinson soaking up so much of the value
of the class. And so overall, yeah, maybe it's
not great. I kind of feel the same way
about the late rounds right now, like, or the mid to late rounds
like we have a Devon, A Chan who might be like the guy.
And so if if you get a Devon A Chan and you eat some Bixby's
along the way, like, oh, exactly.
Yeah, Yep, literally. If you have them on the same
roster, your roster's better off for having both of them, even
though bigsby's not scoring. It's way back.
Tyler Boyd's starting to eat, by the way.
Let's go gobble it up. Things I love to hear.
Chris, do you brew your own beer?
I I I swear I've. Oh, yeah, you.
You are a brew. So I I.
I asked this because I have this keg of what is that?
I bought this at Costco, the yesterday Christmas Ales.
Shit, I don't. Want that?
No. Like the Do you brew Christmas
ales? Do you brew darker stuff?
What do you brew? My preferred, the TJ Hernandez
doesn't watch this does he like my preferred is like Ipas.
That is that. That's that's just a personal
preference. T JS brand is so strong, you
except them. I know.
Be nervous you might see you, say you.
Like. We've argued about it, Well no,
because in in T JS point is actually well taken in that for
for Ipas in general, like as you brew stuff, if you are like a
legitimate Brewer you can cover up flaws in your process just by
adding in like more hops. Like flavors, like fruit or
whatever, in order to make it taste better.
So brewing Ipas like, especially hazy Ipas, which has become like
the one of, like the, you know, more popular styles, that's
something that it doesn't really showcase.
Like you as a Brewer, Like, do you actually know what you're
doing in terms of being able to have like a solid process,
hitting the right temperatures, gravity readings, like yadda
yadda yadda, so. It's a little snobby.
I I know. There's like, oh, IPS are bad,
'cause it's too easy to make a good tasting one that everyone
can enjoy. It's.
Like and I and I I. Agree that if if the, if the.
Purpose thing out sounds I'm not calling TJ, it's not of.
Course. Oh no.
Like, I love TJ, but like, it's. But I think that that point is
well taken and 'cause if you were to put that up against, you
know, people that brew, let's say like a a Trappist ale or?
Let's say even like something that's a bit more intense,
something that requires that, that's less reliant on the the
additional ingredients that you put into it and it's just like
do you know how to brew? It's almost like the Do you know
Ball of? Of home brew.
Yeah, like, do you do you know Ball?
Do you know brew? Yeah, do you know brew and like
that's where that becomes like a a much more that's that's a much
more tougher like question for people, 'cause if you do like if
you can brew just like a legitimate.
Like, what's an easy one to do, I think even just like a simple
pale ale that doesn't have a, you know, like a strong, like
hops, like a like a hop backbone to it.
Or like some of them do, but even like a like a Agosa would
be a good example of that. Or I'm trying to think of it
even like a blonde or something along those lines.
I think those are the ones that where it's like, if you do know
like legitimately how to how to brew beer, like that's where
that becomes your your skill set shows out, Can you brew like a
legitimate technical beer? What's the nerdiest beer thing
you've ever done, Chris? The nerdiest beer is and
actually yeah Michael put that Cezanne is actually a solid one
like for for a good technical brew.
I've actually, I sat down for about 30 minutes going through
calculating the parts per million of the different
chemicals I needed to add to my water in order to get the the
the right pH for for my brew. All right.
That, that, that sounds. Pretty That's.
A good. Technical.
Brew. Yeah.
And after I did it, I was like, I'm never doing this shit again
like it was. It was for a competition.
And I was like, I'm I'm never doing this shit again.
How'd you do a competition? Do you, do you, do you bank
these competitions? How does that go?
Oh. Oh, he had a little.
Rosie over my shoulder. Hold on.
Oh, hold on. He's got so many of them.
He's like, which one do I grab? Yes, yes.
We got something coming back, Pete.
I put something in the hopper, pull it up real quick while he's
gone, but Josh is already hitting up underdog there.
You go, that's great. That's great all.
Right. Well, better luck if you don't
call them bets. Josh Oh, yeah, we got.
We got hardware, fellas. Like, we got, we got all.
It's like we got first. Holy cow.
You got Oh yeah, we got. We got all sorts of stuff like
from There's a brewing competition I do down in
Cincinnati like every year. It's a it's a keg only
competition where like you you brew you bring the keg down you
drop it off like they there are BJC piece or brewing judging
certification program like they they go through.
How do I get that? Certification.
So I just get a. It's a test.
If I remember if society doesn't want gretch with that
certification. I'll tell you, Oh yeah, it's
like it's a test that they that they walk through that they walk
you through. So it's like for every single
style you have to know the right, like the, the the hops
profile, you have to know like the.
I don't think they test for for gravity readings, but I think
for the SRM the standard. What is it?
I forget what SRM stands for. Somebody will correct me in the
chat but like the the color scale so if it matches the right
color so each so each style has to have like the right color
like a color to it because like you wouldn't drink a black.
IPA even though it is a style like nowadays.
But yeah, I. Would I would drink that?
Chris Yeah, but it's like, but they they grade you on each one
of those things. Do they grade it on?
Sounds it sounds a little close to wine here, I thought.
I thought beer was the people's drink.
What? What?
What's going on? Do they probably grade it on keg
stand? Drinkability.
Cause no, No, they don't. They don't do that.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's dead. All right.
Well, yeah. No.
Is it Pat? Isn't that the whole thing with
I? I've always assumed, like, the
IPA phenomenon is essentially wine.
Like no one wants to drink multiple of those.
You just sip it. You get to be an elitist.
You do the gatekeeping. Only I have a pallet for this
gross beer and you get to feel great about.
Yourself. That's not what it is at all.
I mean the the IPA started with the hate like so.
OK, so you have the West Coast IPA which is, which is a much
bitter, more bitter style. The hazy IPA is much more
drinkable. You can crush a.
Hazy IPA, no problem. That's like why I kind of took
off. Yeah.
So. So everyone's turned their back
on the original Ipas and finally admitting their.
Trash. No, I think the West Coast IPA
still has a a pretty strong fan base, but it's just a little bit
more of an acquired taste 'cause it is, it is quite a bit more
bitter. Yeah, that's where you get more
of the the fruity stuff and and all of that, like in those like
the hazies, your, your milkshake Ipas, like that, that sort of
thing. That is what that is, what
people look for. Yep, what it What is your
favorite beer that you can you can purchase?
Not one, necessarily, that you've brewed yourself.
The the best one that I can that I can purchase, it's from Street
side Brewery that's down in that's down since I actually
just had it like earlier today St.
Side. You guys, we got a non contact
hand injury for Burrow. I just, yeah, I just saw that he
grabbed his hand after he threw that touchdown.
And everyone's. Fucking out.
Well, Lamar's in. Yeah, Lamar's back.
That's right. I think they got, they just got
like a keg at Kirkland Beer in that blue tent and everyone's
just pretty excited. To head in there.
Oh, it's just it's called You Dudes Being Bros That's a Milk
IPA from from Street Side Brewery down in Cincinnati.
Wow, it's your your all time favorite.
Not I won't say it's my all time favorite, but like, it is like a
salt, like through and through. Just a solid milkshake IPA.
It's it sits at about like a nine percent ABV.
Wow, are you into? Sours at all, Chris.
Yeah, and that. What's that?
There's that brewery in New York that you recommended we go to.
Yeah, that one had one of the the best sours that I've ever
had before. It was like a.
Their their whole thing, yeah, But yeah.
They have. They do a bunch like that is
their specialty. They kind of get KS and sours.
Look at it. Let's go.
Oh, no big for us, though. Jesus, that's going to be some
bullshit. Too offensive.
Pass interference. Ineligible down field.
It's all I mean. Fucking wide receiver screens
always get called back on these bullshit like.
Like somebody started blocking too early.
Of course I was just straight up holding.
That is a quick It was a wide receiver holding probably on the
outside. Yeah, that's what it looked
like. Zayfar.
So close to a massive game. Yep, that would have been a
bucking that would have. He's the one that smoked.
They called it on Odell, Odell, do something good.
You couldn't run down the deep pass you're holding behind the
play. That's not a hole.
That's not. A.
Hole that was weak. You're right, Ben.
I mean some bullshit that's That was not a hole.
He's just blocking him like, oh man, that's kind of weak.
I would say, even as a Bengals fan, that I that one looked kind
of legal. You're you're a little delayed,
aren't you? You didn't get the.
Replay. Yeah, it's both weak and also
completely unnecessary by Odell. Like he could have literally had
his hands up and they is still taking that to the house.
Why do they just time out? What are they?
You're reviewing your hold. I just want to watch it.
It's like Burrows jogging the locker room.
I don't know why Ball's life said Beer Fest.
But I do remember that movie from the Super Trooper guys and
now it like, my immediate thing was like, he wants us to do a
beer fest. I want to do a beer fest with
Chris. Like, this sounds awesome.
Like Chris knows all the beer. I want to drink beer with Chris,
like that sounds great. What's the guy who dies in Beer
Fest? What's he?
Saying Farva, it's not, it's. Not it's Farva, It's Farva.
It's the active place, Farva. But his name's like.
It's like trash dumpster, trash can.
Something along those lines. Yeah.
And he dies. Kind of drinks himself out of
the keg and doesn't make it. Yeah.
What's landfill? Is it landfill?
Landfill is what it is. Landfill.
Yeah. So they're like, his brother
shows up to the wedding, He's like, he's like, oh, landfill
told me all about you. I'm his twin brother.
And. To be that guy.
If you guys just call me landfill, like that'll just make
me feel like I fit in more. Just oh man, Burrows.
Like, legit. Like he's.
Hurt man? Yeah.
He couldn't even grip the ball. 1.9 gallons it's going up.
Might as I get drunker. Unless he could like, I don't
know, tape his finger, tape his fingers together.
It looked like a pinky injury or something like that.
Chris, you you seem like a very calm and collected with his ear.
Bobby, do you ever let yourself get to Gretchen levels with your
beer, or are you just always just got things in control?
Try to keep things in control as much as possible 'cause we only
do just like the one competition per year.
So then out of outside of that it's always just I'm just
brewing for me. So I just brew.
I brew what I like, I I get the hops that I like, which simply
like it. So for the other like the rest
of the like the brewing like nerds out there.
It's like Mosaic, it's Galaxy Simco like to to lesser to
lesser degree. But mostly on the fruity side,
like those are the ones that I typically get.
So it's like I don't care about clarity, I don't care about like
ABV. It's really just like does do I?
If when I drink it does, you know, is there alcohol in it and
does it taste nice 'cause I add I like to add fruit to my stuff
as well. So it's like that's that's just
me of it. So I really don't care.
Like I don't care about any of the rest of the stuff like it
does it? Does it adhere to a style or?
You know, does it have the right aroma or notes or any of that
other stuff that she would, yeah, That she would typically
typically look to if it was in a competition.
So Nah, Nah, Like it just, it's whatever.
I mean, yeah. That's the way it should be.
I mean, all this stuff like beer is constantly evolving and
changing them in terms of like what even styles are.
So just Brewster you like, like, that's the cool thing about
beer. Yeah, yeah.
And that should agree that there is sometime an element of like,
yeah, I look and I see all of these like random flavors and
there's this thing of like, what's the most crazy shit I can
throw against the wall because it's new versus is this actually
drinkable and enjoyable to drink?
Yeah. But you only drink Tecate, so.
No that line for you. Was like.
Modelo my. Line for you is like a a fucking
Sierra Monopoly Multiple beers. I don't want to sip something
that tastes like cotton candy and then be like, yeah, I want
four of these just because. It's Cotton Candy IPA with
mango. Well so like one of my favorite
one of my favorite beers is one of the Grim Sours and it's they
use, I don't know if it's like wine barrels or something but
it's basically like they it's like very grape sort of tasting,
it kind of tastes like. It doesn't really taste like
wine, but it's like a sour but it's got real strong grape
flavor. But I think it's only like 4
1/2% alcohol pee and it's sour. It's not sweet.
I know you know me. That might seem like a crazy
thing, but it's sour. But you also agree there's a lot
of beer these days that's throwing a bunch of wild shit
against the wall because it sounds new and inventive?
Right. That bro Rep on the sideline
looked really bad. I love that Pat called Pete
Pete's favorite drink, Takatas, and just rolled through it.
He's like, you only drink takatas.
It's just like all, all your Mexican beers the same, oh, I I
have a very simple I like drinking stuff that I like.
I like drinking stuff that I can have fun.
With Takata is also great, but it was Modelo.
It was Modelo. I do prefer Modelo to Ducati,
but I'm never gonna turn down a a cold.
Ducati Yeah, yeah. It wasn't off base.
It was just the. I didn't even blink when he said
that, I mean. Yeah, no, Casey's got me though.
He, he wrote, This is how Gretchen rolls.
Does it have alcohol? Good to go.
Like I I like, I know that sounds bad.
Yeah, there we go. But literally, when people are
like, when I'm out with people, I like to drink what they like.
Like when I'm at a bar with a buddy, he's like, what do you
want? I'm like whatever you.
Like why don't like I'll want what you're you're having.
Like I'll drink and I stay with you.
I'll drink something dark. I'll drink something light.
Like I don't. I want what you're having.
That's how I probably sat at the bar.
That's why I want to hang out with Chris.
I want Chris to introduce me to some new beers.
I'll. I'll get you.
I'll get you some good stuff, Gretch.
I got you, man. I got you.
That we we go, we go down to Cincinnati.
Well, actually there's some good ones.
Oh God, I love this. They're afraid of him running so
bad. They're just sick.
They have two spies. Soon as he stepped up to the
line, they had two spies coming to the line of scrimmage.
One of the the three man rush gets to him.
But it's really like a five man rush, except two guys aren't
rushing. They're just like spying.
It's so funny. I mean, you're gonna drop 6,
have two spies. What do you like?
He's gonna have to sit back there and and try to.
It's not like. 5 eligible routes, 6 defenders in the
routes, 2 spies making sure he doesn't scramble.
They're literally designing a defense to make him stand back
there. Chris, if someone gave you like
I I once went to a cocktail bar where they ask you to write.
It was like a survey and you write down like your five, like
favorite flavors or something, you know, be like cinnamon and
Raspberry, whatever. And then they would like make
you a boutique, you know, you know two order cocktail based on
your interest. If someone told you like these
are my five favorite beers, you know if I was like Tecate Modelo
no second could you come up with a more adventurous beer that
might be adjacent to my palette that I would really like.
Is that a skill you have? Did you guys just see Burrows
Pinky? Sorry to cut the question off,
that looks is it, man? Isn't the answer to Kolsch?
Yeah, I think so. That'd be like the closest that
I could think of off this off the top of my head that could
get you to like what your what is.
This God damn flag. What is this flag?
What is that Angular did that get deflected at the line?
What? What?
There's. There's a flag here.
Just wait. That pass got deflected back to
Angular right? OK, it was tipped.
Can we just count one of these? Thursday Night Football,
America. Chris is like, I'm a Bengals
fan. I'm enjoying these penalties.
Like what is going on that's? On the defense, touchdown.
So we took. We took the Lamar overs after we
lost all the injuries. Stuff hires.
I just want to say no one got hurt.
We would have absolutely been ringing the bell tonight.
We would have been ringing the bell, that's what I want to say
go to. Bed.
I was ready to ring the bell. Jesus.
Let's do Dude that got deflected.
It was almost picked off, right? It was thrown right to the
linebacker. All right, Chris, that's a
question for you. We're we're referencing we've
had a when we established a new tradition that when we sweep all
of our pickums, we DoorDash, Taco Bell.
I have it sent to my house. Gretch has it sent to his old
house. It's kind of a thing, Chris, do
you have a go to Taco Bell order?
Do you not do Taco Bell? I do have.
So my it used to be before they removed them it was 2 double
deckers with Nacho cheese and two double deckers Nacho cheese
2 bean burritos and that was it. OK.
When was the last time you had Taco Bell?
About a month ago, yeah. And I I definitely need to stay
off of it now, 'cause I'm supposed to be doing one of
those insane. Relay races with Daigle and
Leone in OH, you're doing, you're doing another Ragnar.
No, we're not doing a Ragnar. It's the Seneca Seven, I think
it's called, it's in like NI think it's like Northern New
York or just maybe an hour or two away from Buffalo, something
like that. I don't know where it's at, but
it's 77 miles in total, so small for.
Team or for you? Yeah, for a team for I think
it's only like maybe 5-6 of us or something like that, like
PER, like per team. Yeah, that sounds terrible.
Still Yeah, you're over in like half marathon and.
Yeah, yeah. So I gotta I actually have to
like, scale back like my my junk food intake over the next.
Like more than half marathon. Right.
Yeah, I I. Think close to it or something
like that. But like Daigle said, like him
and Leonie, they're doing like a 50K trail run like a month
beforehand. I'm like, you guys are freaking
insane, man. I'm not doing any of that.
They're really gearing up. Yeah, I was gonna do that Ragnar
with you guys, cuz it was in massacre.
Yeah, it's out of the way. Yeah, it happened to be the
weekend that I was hosting all my buddies.
Otherwise, I was planning to do it, but then heard about some of
the conditions, saw some of the footage, and I was like I
probably had a better time drinking with my college
buddies. Yeah, you guys that night.
Instead of like me and Daigle, like bunking up in the in the
car together like while everybody else like stayed
inside. They slept on the floor, like
inside and we slept in the car. There was one of the one of the
girls that we ran with, so this was at.
I had to. So my late night leg was at like
2:00 in the morning. It was like two 3:00 in the
morning when I had to run. And then one of the girls that
had to that had to run. And I think at about the same
time she actually, like, ran into a coyote at some point and
like, got. Quick on the pace.
Yeah, she got, she got chased for for for a half second.
Like by a coyote. Jesus.
Yeah. So it was it was kind of wild.
Yeah, for sure she was. She was fine, though.
Yeah, she was good afterwards. Like, she she ran it like saw it
and like turned around and like just ran, ran out.
But yeah. It was it was bad.
Guys, I gotta tell you, Jake Browning's in.
I'm a I'm AU dub guy, right? He was a four year starter at
UW. Yeah, Drake Browning's not.
Very good at football. It's.
A nice little pass though, that he had there.
He did have a nice little pass he can't throw particularly
hard. No velocity on his passes.
It's all very it's like. He would have to be Kurt Warner,
like ish, like you know like touch but like also can't do
that. And also throws.
Yeah, look like he it was sort of like a like a routine throw
from second base to first base. You're gonna need a lot, That
kind. Of you're gonna, you're gonna
need a lot of those. You're gonna need a lot of play
calls, like that fake toss play or guys wide open or you're
screwed. It was not from third base.
So he had gone into the corner and dug the ball out and was
ripping it. It was it was it was a second to
first. Yeah.
But it it was a nice throw. Like it was like it was good.
It looked thing about the thing with him, Browning, he came to
UW as a a true freshman, super high, you know, pretty high
recruit. We were all pumped and was
really good right away as a freshman and then never got
better. It was just like the same dude
for four years. Wow.
And it was just, you know, like, 'cause he doesn't have the arm
strength. He never really groomed his
body. He's like this skinny, like kind
of small, like scrawny. Dude doesn't throw very hard.
He's accurate and he's kind of smart.
But like, like, he just literally doesn't throw hard
enough. He's there's no way it
translates to the NFL. I'm, I'm a Husky fan, and I'm
just like, I hope that he does well, hope I'm wrong.
There's no chance. I don't know how he's telling
the NFL. As a backup, what would you
rather have? Here, though, was it year two or
three? I don't know.
It's like, yeah, it's at least year three.
He was with the Vikings for a minute.
No, I mean, I mean in in the college career cause year one,
you're like, oh, this is this guy's it.
We have him. Yes.
Great. Yeah.
Oh, when did I decide the two?
Wasn't it cause in year three do you have the hope?
Hope. Now he's gonna take the leap and
then he doesn't. So it's one of those two years I
would imagine. Right.
It was right around that time. But that's when we got good and
we went to the College Football Playoff.
That's when we had John Ross and and Dante Pettis.
We were sick, OK? But like, he had so much talent
around him. But Gretch, the very first year
I played Dynasty when I got into startup was 2014.
And I remember, like, digging in.
It was my first time, like, digging into all the rookies,
and I was like, holy shit, UW had both Bishop Sankey and
Austin Safarian Jenkins. I'm like this.
I was like, I I think I'm going to become a Huskies fan just
watching Bishop, Sankey, and ASJ highlights.
It turns out those were the only two nod hits in the 2014 draft
class. Didn't work.
That's tough. Yeah, I traded ASJ in dynasty
plus the first round pick for Travis Kelsey in like 2016 or 17
so. Dude, he had, he had that little
run. Remember that little run for The
Jets where he scored like a few touchdowns.
How about growing up a Husky fan and and when I was like 1314
they went to the Rose Bowl. They beat Miami like when Miami
was the shit and and had like Reggie Wayne and and Santana
Moss and lost one game. Went to the Rose Bowl.
Beat Drew Brees's Purdue. Drew Brees's Purdue in the Rose
Bowl. I went to UW because they were
so sweet. Four years after that, I was
just looking at this the other day we went O in 12 or no,
sorry, we went one in 11. And then four years after that
we went O in 12. And that.
That spanned my college years. So I went like, not only did I
get like, bought into UW football, I was like, I'm going
to college there. They're going to be so sick.
I'm going to be going to all these games.
My senior year in college they went O in 12.
Wow. That's what my cousin was like.
A huge football fan. He was a college football fan
and decided to go to Penn State. And he went there like, right?
Like the sanctions hit like as soon as he committed.
So brutal like. Horrible, the whole time he was.
There, Jesus. You have a college team.
You root for Chris. No, 'cause like the both the
colleges that I went to that so UC for undergrad, that was
before. I mean, even when the Kelsey
brothers were there, it's not like it was a, you know,
massive, you know, uptick in like the win column for for for
my Bearcats, but for grads, Desmond Ritter years.
Yeah, Desmond Ritter years has been solid like before he came
out. But still, it's just hasn't been
like a like a massive shift in terms of like my college
football watching experience. But like, everybody, like, sees
them from Ohio and they're like, oh, so you love the Buckeyes.
I'm like, Nah. Like.
I'm a BearCat, not not a Buckeye.
I'll just let you know that right up front.
What was your grad school one? Wright State University in
Dayton, OH. Nice.
Yeah. Did you enjoy the Urban Meyer
meltdown? They're good at basketball,
right? Yeah, they were solid.
They're actually pretty solid in basketball.
Yeah. Yeah, and actually the Urban
Meyer meltdown I thought was actually I I loved it.
Like when he went back to the bar, he said.
I mean, that was the funniest part.
He refused to go back with the team.
He goes to some stupid Ohio State barn, but to Ohio State?
That's the one. Dude, that was itching catch by
Browning to Irwin there. Just.
Saying that was, that was a good throw, Donkey gills here said.
He went to U dubbed during the Willingham era that we hired Ty
Willingham when I was a freshman, my freshman
orientation. He had us do this like clap
thing that everyone we'd still talk about like the other people
that are friends of mine that are the same age.
Like we all remember this is the silliest thing but donkey goes.
We went to to UW at the same time buddy cause like that was
the Willingham era like the O 112 season I was talking about
was his last year then he got fired.
So probably wasn't in class with you buddy.
What we're We're connecting people on chip chasing.
We are. That's what we're here to do.
It's clearly not to win pickups. It's to connect people and talk
about weird. So the the the reason I had to I
had to talk about Browning is because we have the halftime
pickums coming up. This guy worked with Jim
Lambright. Holy crap.
That's the 90s UW coach we're going to stop talking about UW.
Browning is the is the quarterback for the second-half
of this game, presumably. What do we want to do with our
halftime pickums? Because I'm telling.
You exclusively lowers this. Will be lowers.
Oh man, we might not even have anything to do because they're
all refreshing right now because they don't know if Burrow's
health. They don't know who's healthy.
There's There's nothing up in the lobby unless we want to
build a Ketty, Pickett, Dorian, Thompson Green.
Ohio that is the darkest of of tickets to build dude.
We did. We did analytics up for the
nerds with me and Gretch did that.
It was really fun. And Louis was tilting because we
brought him up for like 2 seconds on ship on ship chasing
the other day and then immediately started talking
about about Barry Noyce and he was like come on man.
Like can I get my 5 seconds of fame when when you know he's in
first place at BBM. But I thought about it because
we talked about Thursday Night Football pick Em's and we all
kind of gave ours out. But Ryan on there, he he just
gave out like a regular Sunday 1:00 because he didn't
understand the assignment. But you know what?
You did understand the assignment.
That was the correct advice. Just ignore this game and do a
Sunday. Pick em.
I did notice looking at the leaderboard for BBM Scott
Bloomstein who won can't remember the exact year, but won
the World Series of Poker Main Event.
He's in 12th right now in the. Regular show board, Yeah,
hopefully that I was looking. I was looking at it earlier.
My I haven't even talked to him about this.
My stealing Lions partner, Dalton Cates, is in the top 100.
Somewhere in there, even with 100.
Percent Kyle Pitts exposure. He's up there somewhere.
I don't know where he's at but he has one of the quarterbacks
that just went out. I think he maybe it's Deshaun
Watson. So it's like it's not gonna
you're screwed all. Right.
I see FF Luigi, he's in 43rd right now.
Is that the team that was in? Yes, yes, I believe.
At Anthony Richardson. Yeah.
Yeah, but he's got 8. Chan.
Dude, he got Mark Andrews at pick 46.
How is that possible? When was that?
Happening. Yeah, I'll say.
When was that draft I? Don't know.
Throw it out, voice. Throw it out, dude.
What? This is what'd you do, Luke?
I'm looking at the thing. I see 46.
I'm like, what's going on here? Dalton Dalton is in 76th.
Wow, what's the? You have the.
Yeah, Is his name Land Wagon. I feel like we've given Louis
enough love here. Let let's talk about Dalton's
team. This this is DK.
Oh D. 77 D oh, is it 77? I'm looking the wrong one.
What? Yeah, this is a he has Watson
and and Prescott. Yeah, but he's got a chain
coming back as well. So there is a little, I mean
those receivers are really good. Yeah, the thing I realized, man,
when I was looking through this when I was playing on this this
site that you introduced me to every team that's good, has good
tight ends, man. It's all about tight end.
Do you see Jake Ferguson on every team or like now like the
ones where that have McBride, you see Laporta on every team.
All of these top teams have Laporta man like and then they
have an elite that is this producing as well potentially.
Well, the other thing to that, I agree, Ben, but there's been a
lot of good tight ends this year, like there were lots of
ways to approach tight end. For sure, for sure.
But tight end points, it there have been and it is a resurgence
and there's a lot of guys that are hitting and it's exciting,
but there isn't a middle class at the position.
Like there's there's nothing that's like good.
It's just like great or you're terrible, right?
So like, either you have, 'cause I have some teams that are doing
well or or like not doing like, they're like bubble.
And I click on them and I'm like, man, this team has like a
really good quarterback crew, running backs, receivers.
Oh, I drafted Greg Dolce as my #1 Titan on this team, this
team. That's why this is sucking like
it's like it is it. I think it has an outsized
impact man. Titan's very, very important.
You only pick a couple and you know, I've got someones that
like have like Hayden Hirsch, Tyler Conklin and Durham Smythe
and you're like, fuck, that's enough guys.
No chance. That's anything, right?
Yeah, you know, yeah. But yeah.
I know we were promised we could just punt it off the last three
rounds we were promised. What happened?
Look, the thing about our head. Was like such a tease, right
where it looked, Yeah, 100 Memory was such a.
Tease The thing about some of these guys hitting though is
there's enough there that you need tight end points.
I think to win now like you, you're going like some whoever
wins all of these tournaments this year are going to have
tight end points, right? And so like you just mentioned a
a three tight end, you know the Smythe team you just mentioned
in previous years that might have been able to get there when
there was only like Kelsey and nothing else or well you know
whatever. There's only like a couple other
options. There's enough tight end
successes this year that you need something at tight end.
I think. I don't know, that's just sort
of like the thing that I was noticing when I was looking at a
lot of line UPS. It felt like you had to have one
of the hits or you or you're look.
At look at this Gretch, one of my best teams.
It was a challenge team from the swole cast where my challenge
was to draft a four tight end team in my tight ends Dalton,
Schultz, Taysom, Hill, Trey. McBride and.
Kate on? Wow.
This is like one of the weirdest teams I drafted because I also
started with Hopkins Godwin but ended up with a hurt.
This team is sick. You have Tyreke and Evans.
Oh. JT coming on Brian Roth.
The running back kind of sucked. Monster Brian Roth.
Dude, no. You're finding running back,
dude. Yeah, this team's advancing,
right? And if it weren't for Odell, you
know Zay Flowers would finally be hitting the line up.
Is this a top 10,000 team? Yeah, it is actually.
It has to be it's. Just yeah, it's it's top 5000,
but it's just so funny that the one time I got bullied into
drafting 4 tight ends and they've all contributed that
well. It it helps that you've also hit
Mostert and you hit Tyreek, right?
So you have these huge anchors at those positions where you're
light in depth at running back in tight end.
But you drafted like you were right.
You know, like conceptually you you have the massive hits at
both of those positions and Brian Robinson was a big hit
early and now you have Taylor coming back and Evans, Mike
Evans, right? So like, you didn't need the
depth of running back and receiver, 'cause you had some
really nice hits. This team's, it's a really fun
team. The training ride one is so
nice. He I I was on him a little bit
and then I got off late. But you know, you're you're
super psyched wherever you have him, yeah.
Chris, are you do you have any teams you're you're sweating
this year specific players you're you're hoping to see.
Come on. I.
I honestly have put in a rule that I don't start checking my
teams until about like the December time frame, so I
haven't even looked yet at which of my rosters like are advancing
at this point. That's like when I talked to
Reebs, and Reebs didn't even know he had a team in the finals
last. Year until someone told.
Me, I. Look, I have.
I have one of the that's taking a little far.
You should know the finals. That's.
Legit The Finals. Yeah, that's it.
That's what are you going to like?
Win and not know, yeah. Look.
At what point would you check? Well, he he.
Basically was like, I'm pretty sure people would start letting
me know if I had a really good team.
I'm like, yeah, they probably would start.
Letting you know. Well, that's why we're letting
you know. Yeah.
Like you have a good team. He was right.
I mean if you would be correct. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. How's the pecking while you're
looking? We got a Oh yeah, yeah, we got
some stuff. We got some stuff.
No quarterbacks on the on the Bengals side, but we have
running backs and receivers. You want to help us do a little
pick? Em, Chris.
Yeah, Chris, we need we need your your live eyes on this game
here. Oh, Isaiah.
Likely 12.5 receiving yards higher.
Get it? Scroll right down to.
That Yep, hit that one in. Where are we at it?
Does Lamar throw another TDI? Think he's got one more TD in.
Yeah, I think so. I like it.
What's the current score line? 1410 Baltimore.
Although the rushing they do run in close, that's they do run in
close or 100. Passing yards with how much
yards after the catch the Ravens receivers are getting.
I like he just needs a hundred more.
God he's yeah I'm I'm there with that.
I I still also like the the pass attempts idea as well.
How many times do we go back to the Tyler void?
Well. Do you just need, oh, do it.
Oh, what about Chase? Chase is only a 44 1/2 and he's
got his 10 yards. But yeah, no, you got to do it,
I think. Right?
He's Jamar Chase. Yeah, I mean, it's Jamar Chase.
Anyone. We said we weren't going to take
any hires. Yes, we did say that.
No, we said that, but we didn't. Mean it?
We didn't. Mean it?
How about 3 4 1/2 yards? He's getting the Tommy Tremble
treatment, dude. Oh my God.
I'll look at the guys. It's going up, dude.
You got to throw that chase over on there, man.
Is that what you want? Yeah.
Chase over. Form just locked in.
Let's lock it in, baby. Fire it.
I'm accepting Underdog.
I'll accept it only if you void all of the Marc Andrews ones.
Do a Jackson attempts over though.
Like give me one attempts over in case the yards don't.
Yeah yeah, do it. Do attempts over.
Well, I don't know. We're gonna build another one,
right? Oh, it's still, there's still a
minute left in half. I thought it was half time.
Yeah. I mean, if any, it's a little
extra time. We're just so tired.
We're getting a little extra here.
Yeah, let's we got some. We got a nice one in there
though. The Isaiah.
Likely's gonna hit before half, dude.
They're just likely already. We're gonna get there.
Before half, maybe. Gretch, Wow, I can't believe we
snuck that in. Before half, I feel like we just
oh. I feel like we deferred.
And then we got the ball back on a turnover and then we still get
the ball to start the second-half.
And we get the ball back to the second-half.
It was Oh no, it came back for holding.
Are you kidding? Come on.
How many fucking flags are there going to be in this goddamn
game? I'm so sick of this game.
Oh, I hate it so much. This game fucking the.
Injuries are killing me. Oh my gosh, like all the other.
Games. Every single time something good
happens to one of our picks, it immediately either gets negated
or the player gets hurt. Every fucking time.
Look at it, guys. As far as our halftime pick Em's
go, Tom Bradshaw has some good analysis.
He's got Browning and Erwin sitting in a tree.
Fucking deal. OK, here we go, here we go.
Oh, my God. Oh, that was so bad.
Oh, wow. Maybe you usually didn't think
about Erwin. We might need to think about
Erwin. Is that the backup quarterback
throws to the backup receiver. Corollary.
I think it, yeah, they've been on the they've been on the
second team together all yeah, sure.
I'm down for that angle that sounds like.
Waiting for Levitan to tweet out that, like, Jake Browning and
Trenton Irwin actually like, live together in some
two-bedroom? Department, the shower, the
weather and everything. The shower narrative, for sure.
Yeah, I love that. It was a a second message.
Browning and Irwin City entry. Fucking what the fuck?
What is? That DPI call I do not
understand. All right.
Let's go, Odell. Yes, that looked like young
Odell did a little bit. Looked like young Odell when he
was fucking taking that zay flowers tutty off the board,
right? Disrespecting zay flowers like
she was. Lena Dunham.
What? That's a deep cut.
Pat, are you old enough to know about Odell Beckham's beef with
Lena Dunham? You said zay flowers.
Exactly, I said. He was disrespecting him like he
disrespected Lena Dunham, actually don't like.
Throw it, Lamar. Lamar's healthy.
I like that. The ankle's good.
Should we do? Lamar's rushing?
We. Can only do one Lamar.
Oh, we we are back to we we We got this in though didn't we get
this in? We.
We have this in, but I just put it back in in the Chamber.
You're back to passing and swapping out for the rushing.
Let's mix it up a little. I'm trying to get anything other
than Lamar's passing yards. I'm just Ben's been desperately
trying to get us to just mix that up.
Continue. We need passes, literally.
Anything else he doesn't have Mark Andrews, I'm concerned out
as a. Chase isn't catching another
pass this game. Oh, that's bold.
I like it though. Oh, Odell's trying to draw a
flag. Did he get it?
That was so far out of bounds. That would have been a
fascinating flag. Third and eight.
I mean, dude, the injuries suck. But other than the injuries,
this game has been lit. Also sucks, yeah.
Also sucks, yeah? This is, this is tough.
There's been some intriguing stuff and then every time it's
happened, there's been a penalty.
Like, yeah, it fucking. Sucks.
Explosive play for a touchdown penalty.
Yeah, it's really bad. Yeah.
How is that pass? Interference.
I'm still stuck on that play. There it is.
Thank you, Scoratini. Oh my God.
I got to break it down, Gretch. Oh, Gretch has to leave right
after Vapen scores at TD. Chris, you you might have missed
it at the beginning routes, baby routes and.
Targets had a huge battle at Discord right before we went
live debating A Rashad Bateman versus Jayden Reed start set in
one of our teams. Yeah.
And we went with Reed. I had to break the tie, got
outvoted Pete. Pete came in to broke the tie to
read. Yeah, I mean whatever.
It looks pretty hairy. Outside knows he wouldn't have
got there without the Andrews injury, so it's kind of.
Yeah, the process, the process, the process.
The pro asterisks next to that victory lap.
Yeah, yeah, a little bit. Plus, I don't think he has any
other catches other than that, does he?
He has some air yards, he has the merry yards, but I think
that's his only other. I think he has no other catches,
which obviously isn't not good. Whatever.
It's funny because that's how Reed's supposed to get there for
us. He's just been out there a
little bit, catching touchdowns. From time to time.
Yeah, look at that connection heating up just in time.
Game rocks, dude. This game, something about this
game I just love, you know? It's just a great game.
I'm coming in hot, 'cause I had to listen to Pat's little
victory lap while I was. Taking a piss?
Well, they're pretty tepid victory now.
So first of all. That is Rashad Bateman's first
touchdown of the season. He now That was his first catch.
That was his. That now makes this his highest
scoring PPR game of the season for anyone who has.
But that isn't that how you do it, Gretch, Don't you start them
on their highest scoring game? You tell me.
You know, you told me. But I thought we put them
players in four when they score points.
I thought that was. So I looked at Jaden Reed versus
Rashad Bateman's game logs and if you compare them and you rank
their top scores so far this year in PPR, the game log bro
over here eight of the top nine are Jayden Reid.
The top six are all Jayden Reid. He has six games better than
Rashad Bateman's best game, which now this is Georgeshad
Bateman's best game. So he doesn't have six games
better than Rashad Bateman's best game at this point.
But that's eight of nine better than Rashad Bateman's second
best game and and and Reid's only played nine games.
So eight of his best 9 scores like he like every week he out
scores. It's not going to this week
because Pat nobody runs fear than Pat correct.
Well, Liam Murphy, I would, I would nominate personally.
But you know. Gretch is going to fire up a
live stealing Signals gold stream if Jade Reed scores a
touchdown. It's going to be, oh, it's going
to be, Oh yeah, I'm going. To do I'm an hour and a half
laps in this room, that's all it is, me running laps.
Well, at this point, I mean, I was told it was an important
decision, so I sure, I sure hope he does, you know?
Mythology. Tweeting out excerpts that that
sound like Mad Mad Libs. Jaden Reed, 22, and his
girlfriend Anisha Cox are one of the most stylish couples at this
year's draft. Are you just copy and pasting
lines from a People article? That's what it sounds like.
He's coming pasting. I think he's copying and pasting
lines from his own guide. I think mythology has a
girlfriend's of the NFL guide, and this is copying and pasting
lines from wait, Anisha Cox? Does that sound like, I mean,
this is mythology we're talking about.
Can you like? I mean, is that a real name?
Is that a real name, 'cause it sounds a little bit like it's
not Anita. Anita would not.
OK. Please.
I can't do Anita hand job again. Was that real bad?
I can't remember anymore did that.
I love the mythologies. He.
No, Draco got me with that one. Yeah, OK, I love that
Mythology's comments have become a lot more like Wikipedia esque
as opposed to just. Like, he's not a horn dog.
He just provides a service of just straight facts.
There's no editorializing. No, I'm gonna.
I'm gonna Google Jaden Reed. I I already googled it.
I stumbled upon her Instagram. I decided not to pull it up on
stream. I'm not.
I'm. Oh my God, I.
Decided to void that tab from the screen share hopper.
Yeah, Solid, solid choice. They are stylish.
They're they kind of weren't some matching Green Innocent.
Little profile view there to show that beat's been working
out. Oh wow, they did like matching
Plaid pajamas. All right.
Are you going to make me pull this up?
What? Go ahead and do Yeah, I would
pull this up. I think you'd pull this up.
Yeah. I mean talking about stylish,
they are. And this is pretty stylish.
I think mythology was making flannel flannel pajamas.
Are these the flannel pajamas you were talking about?
No, I. Don't think those are the
flannel pajamas. This is their Halloween outfit.
Well, there you go. OK, that's that's all right.
That's what we're talking about. Style mythology is your entire
process. Just looking at NFL players.
Why is it I'll? Answer that.
I'll answer that for you. Yeah, there you go right there.
The little further down was the one I was talking about.
Oh, this one. Yeah, yeah, this looks like a
oh, I've done that with the white.
One, Yeah. Yeah, yeah, we we did that with
the whole family. The girls got them too.
We had onesies. I still have the onesie.
The same color looks the exact same.
Imagine sitting this guy for Rashad baby.
You can't sit this. You, you, you, you put this guy
in your lineup. I mean, and mythology.
Tell me, any any word on Bateman?
I mean, clearly he's doing OK, Just caught a touchdown, you
know? I'm pretty sure he did drop
something about Rashad baby. Feel free to, yeah.
My favorite thing is Jade Reed is still going to outscore
Bateman, probably without scoring because Bateman has one
catch. He's got like 7.5 points.
Hey, hey, buddy, be careful, 'cause remember that he almost
had that, that that long deep shot along the silence.
I mean, that was if he gets one of those.
I saw you wipe. I saw you wipe the brow a little
bit. I did.
On that one.
I did. I did.
That was scary.
This could have been the breakout Bateman game.
It's very true. Hey, we have another half to go
here. All right.
Are we taking, are we taking another stab at the the pick'em
lobby here? Yeah.
Is it half time? At tonight, let's get it.
I think Rashad Bateman overs. Might as well.
Chris, what it what it see on the Bengals side?
Let's let's leverage your Bengals fandom here.
What did you see from them in the first half?
Pain. That's what I saw in the first
half. I mean just absolute disaster
with Joe Burrow getting injured. But I guess the the only other
thing I would comment on it, it did seem like there was some
more effort to get some of the other.
At least one of the other running backs, Trayvon Williams,
is on the field like a little bit more than I expected.
But I'm not going to. I wouldn't bet money on that.
Isaiah. Likely's down to 9.5, guys.
We got to get Isaiah likely into everything.
I'm sorry. We just get Isaiah likely.
He's going to run every route. It's 9.5.
That's wrong. That's wrong.
So OK, the the Burrow stuff, the Burrow stuff on the on the
timeline here, like Jeff Mueller says it could be a TFCC wrist
injury, which I don't know what that is but it said if so that
is hashtag not good. They're saying it's a wrist
injury not finger. I think we should proceed as if
he's not coming back, agreed. That's where I'm at.
I'll like that too. People Jack.
Talking out, what do you guys think about rushing attempts?
Say if if they just pound the rock, the Ravens have a good
one. The Ravens have a good run
defense like this isn't. Yeah, I mean, it's running.
Pretty well though mixing this is rough.
You're gonna get you're gonna get like pick six situations
like you know what I would do is mixing receiving yards.
We got a 41 1/2. There you go.
That's a good. That's a good one and then let's
aim her Baltimore side with with that right like, 'cause we don't
want to do a lot on on Cincinnati's side.
This is more of a gust script isn't it?
Or I mean I would be fine with. Yeah.
Am I feeling gaslit here? The the passing yards.
For Lamar, it's like 64 yards. It's just it.
I mean, I'm not going to argue against it.
It's divisional. Opponent and they So what do you
think? Aggressive and lower.
No, no, I I like that. It's 68 yards.
I mean, they might not getting big.
Plays they might not have to, yeah, but they they they're up
11 and Drake Brading's in. They they literally might not
throw like. So do you want to play Gus
Edwards then he Mitchell 19.5 rushing yards he and he's at -4
so he needs 23.5. I think Gus if you're betting on
them to just kind of pound it Gus is your guy right.
But does he break long runs? I kind of like there's he's
success rate. It's just he grinds He he he's a
chunk that's a grind. All right, all right.
All right. Likely And then the the mix in
receiving and and the Gus. That's a good three-way.
Yeah. Yeah, let's lock this in as a
three. Are we just?
Continuing to fire here, Yeah, yeah, we'll continue.
Let's, let's, let's fire that back up.
I want to get Justin Tucker's kicking points involved.
He's going to kick a field goal. If they're running, they're
going to kick a field goal, right?
Dude, we so we. Love needs a field goal and an
extra point to clear. They're definitely getting that.
Browning's throwing a pick six. At some point, that's going to
be an extra. Point Do you want it built on a
five leg with our three? Yeah.
Yes. Yep, 100%.
Oh. My God.
Hammer, I feel like your confidence in this pick is
should be reflected in the true odds that they should have.
No, No way. And then Lamar do.
You want to just double? Do you want to just do both
Keaton and Gus and just say they run the entire second-half wait,
wait, Lamar's completions? He only needs 6 completions in
the whole second-half. That's that's pretty good.
Not throwing at all. Yeah, but short, short and
simple passes. We we have the Isaiah likely
over. That's at least one right.
Like that's at least one. We only need 6 completions.
Is is sweet. You want this?
Yes. Yeah, all.
Right. We're going down to 50 for this
one. No, no.
No. Come on.
Someone has to be the adult in
the room. It's not going to be me.
Guys, I'll just keep telling you to fire.
Like let's get a come on my second-half five leg.
Use Patrick Queen solo tackles. He has six, 8, 1/2.
That's it. That's it.
Then he just needs less than he made already.
That's your analysis? Yeah.
Half As many. Half as many.
Pete, how did you side with this guy on Jaden Reed?
Come on. Oh, my gosh.
Oh, man. Wait, So what do you want?
Oh, my God. Jacob just said Queen Jacob's in
on queen tackles. All right.
I just literally picked something random, all right,
that actually might. Argue that out for the Tucker.
Here you go. There, now you get it.
In God, thanks for being the doll, Pete.
Did you just put Patrick Queen in something?
Yes. Yes, I just made that up.
I literally just saw something, I clicked something and was like
I'm in. Hey.
Oh my God, that's amazing. I assume Jacob wrote like
fucking 4000 words on his sub stack today about why Packard
Queen. He did, was on the cover.
The only person that writes as much as I do is Jacob.
Love him. Our Pick Em Live page looks like
a a fucking graveyard with a bunch of empty beer cans
littered around it. That's what it looks like.
Look, we've been doing well lately.
We're gonna come back. Yeah, we're time to reboot
things next week. Try again.
Like try again next week. What you guys part of the show?
Where we? Always look what is next week's
Thursday night game where we get ourselves excited and then can I
tell you guys something? Horrific.
Horrific shit. How do you Thanksgiving?
Oh, that's right. We got our Wednesday show next
week. That's right.
Yeah, we got a, We got a. Book's good guess for that we're
not going to be a Thursday night show.
We'll have our normal Wednesday night debauchery and then no,
this is our one night off for the Thursday night shows for
the. Yeah, we we got a, we got a
huddle, We got to get some people booked.
Yep. What were you saying, Chris?
God. I was going to check and see
this. I was asking the same question
as you. What's the Thursday night game
for next week? But also, and then you're right,
it's it's Thanksgiving. Yeah, we're not going to be
doing a show, but we do our annual Wednesday night.
We'll all get drunk. We'll get a keg from Costco at
our desks. We'll reach out to our friends.
We normally have dagle on, spags on.
I'm sure I'm forgetting some people.
Reeves normally comes on. I think Brick even comes on
sometimes. Let's get Brick on.
Yes, Brick. Are you able to?
Yes, Brick always gives us. Last year he did the David
Montgomery. Yes.
Yes, Brick is a Thanksgiving statement.
Spags has had. Yeah, he had the Josh Reynolds
here. Yeah, he's, yeah, he's been on a
heater. That's gonna be.
Yeah, we'll, we'll. We'll I don't do that stuff
that's like outrageous and then hits we'll we'll do some
underdog. Drafts We'll build, We'll build
some pick em entries for Thursday, Thanksgiving.
Oh, for sure. We can build a couple DraftKings
lineups. We'll I got this guy in the chat
saying I may have a drinking problem.
I I don't drink during the week other than when I'm on the
stream with you guys. But Pete was saying a second ago
that he's the dad in the room and I told you guys earlier, Pat
and Pete, a few days yesterday I went to the kids conferences.
So I have two daughters. They're 12:00 and 8:00 and I was
like tearing up dude, like it was hard how like you you hear
the positive stuff. Literally, we went to the 12
year old first. She's a a a 7th grader, so she
has, she's in middle school, so she has all these different
teachers. One of the teachers compared her
to his own daughter, right? Another one said that she he,
she likes her so much that like if you ever wanted to come over
to my house, I'd let you like meet my kittens and stuff.
It's a lot, a lot less creepy than it sounds.
And I was just like, man, I'm so proud of you.
Like all of them. Like, she has all A's.
But other than the grades, they wanted to talk about how good of
a kid she is. And I was like, dude, sorry.
I just, I need, I'm drunk. I need to, I need to brag about
my kids a little bit. That was the first one.
Then we go to the second one. She's a second grader.
We go to the elementary school. She only has one teacher, right,
In elementary. That teacher also compares her
to her daughter, right. So you get the same like they're
these teachers are like manifesting, like obviously
everyone loves their own kids, but they're like your kid
reminds me of my kid. I I as a parent like anyway.
It's exciting. You tell me.
I got a drinking problem. I I'm doing OK over here.
Guys, I I think you gotta you love your kids too much.
Problem, man, That's a wonderful.
Thing Yeah. They I'm so freaking proud.
Sorry, sorry, sorry. That's awesome.
I'm gonna drink more beer tonight 'cause he's out.
Yeah, no official word, but he's on the sideline, headset in.
Yeah, he ain't coming back. It doesn't look.
Yeah. But see the fucked.
Up part is so like he doesn't even have there's nothing on his
wrist. There's I don't even see a wrap.
So they didn't do anything to him.
So the weird thing. So is he gonna wonder about
this? Apparently there's video of him.
Schefter, I think tweeted out of him entering the game with a
wrap on his wrist, entering the like he got off the bus with,
like a wrap. I'm trying to find it again.
Yeah, I saw the video, yeah, so yeah, Tom Pilasero said.
Broadcast showed this video of Joe Burrow getting off the team
bus with a brace slash wrap around his right wrist and
thumb. Burrow wasn't on the injury
report. Now he's questionable with the
right wrist injury. So, but now he doesn't have.
Yeah, they're saying. So Ben Baby just said on
Twitter, doesn't have any protective gear on his right
hand and he's so he's just sitting on the sideline.
So what did they do? I feel like maybe the team
should use the injury report when guys are hurt.
That's just a thought. Seems like a radical idea there,
man might take some time to get traction with that.
Yeah, it should be like a some sort of rule where you have to
just say who's hurt from the team before the games.
Something that you should do. Wait, yeah.
So I was reading all the chats about the about my parenting
stories, but what what's the deal?
He, he had a wrist injury before the game he entered.
Yeah, there's video of him entering the facility, You know,
getting off the team bus with a wrap around his wrist.
The same wrist that he's now out with.
He had. He had a brace slash wrap on the
wrist from last week, from who knows when, from practice, from
jerking off. Like what?
What? What the fuck?
Where did this come from? Yeah, that's not how you doing,
buddy? How are we doing?
Living the dream The Bengals injury report is about as useful
as, like, a screen door and a submarine, right?
I'll laugh. Also, guys Mixon opening this
drive up with like four straight carries.
That would be a. Nice one there.
Did we do that already? Did we?
Yeah. No, you.
Won't. Yeah, I got talked out of it so
I bye shout on that. Sorry Pete, they're down by 11.
Oh, we went to the receiving. That's what it was.
Yeah, Blair Hassan, How you guys doing?
We're doing well, I think. Well, look, Joe Mixon is the
only player playing well in this game, so you can probably guess
how I'm doing. We all want to die, Blair, Yeah.
This is yo. Buro.
Officially. Ruled out.
Official This is not the island game we were promised.
Buro's fucking out. Oh, here it is.
Yeah dude, Tretner, we didn't take the Irwin overs.
Most obvious Why didn't we take the Irwin over?
You can't even remember to do smart stuff.
We made. Like 19 different entries and
our heads are spinning and there's Can we make another one?
Can we make another one with Erwin?
Yeah. And can those yards count for
it? No.
Someone has to be an adult in. The room he.
Took Patrick Queens out. I want to make another one.
That was by the way Jacob tried to invite himself on the.
At the Thanksgiving show, I told him if the Packer Queen thing
hits, he can come on. If not, absolutely not.
Absolutely. That's fair.
I think that's totally fair. All right.
Thanks. That's good to note.
Remind me when I'm sober. I won't invite him.
That's a little sweat for you the rest of this show, Jacob.
Yeah, that's fun. Little sweat for you, Jacob
Queen solo tackle. Oh, you're welcome.
Oh, that's fun. Little sweat.
Oh God. No assist, just solo tackles.
What are we looking for? The Patrick Queen solo tackle.
One is the only one of these that's gonna hit.
That's the knight that's gonna be so bad.
I want to tell you guys that that's a solo tackle on a
scramble. Oh God, why is some Burrow under
13 1/2? Oh, you hit his rushing under
'cause his wrist is broken. Gobbler, go gobble something
else somewhere else. Good Lord the.
The the Burrow. The Barrow under 13 1/2 was a
pretty lucky out, probably past appearance of some sort.
Who is that receiver Jackson Chris?
Who is? That Jackson.
They're throwing one-on-one deep balls to a wide receiver.
Dave Jackson, that is. A Shedrick Jackson Who is this
guy? I.
Did not remember. I didn't create a player.
No, he's not. That is, that's a new one.
This is a simulation. It's artificial intelligence
this you're saying, Shedrick? Chedrick, I told him.
It's not fucking with. Me.
So I have like Boyd? Oh no, he's right.
It's Chedrick Jackson. Yeah, Chedrick Jackson 7.1%'s
catching up with me guys. It's.
I just can't believe he's still out there and like there's
nothing, there's nothing on his wrist, nothing.
I I guess I I really don't understand what is.
Going on. With with Barrow, like
apparently was like a deleted Bengals tweet is what I'm seeing
on on Twitter. Yeah.
What was it? Like he pretty short off.
Like he had like something on his, on his.
Wrist. I'm saying even now, so if his
if his wrist is messed up, it doesn't look like there's even
anything on his wrist now so. Like.
That is why I'm going to get her.
No, you just mute yourself. He was playing it so cool.
I was like looking around like, who's the fuck's doggy's that
man? Do you take care of that?
He panicked. Oh, Irwin again.
Irwin drug TI. That's Pi.
That's like the worst Pi ever.
I cannot believe we missed the the Irwin alpha in the in the
chat from whatever his name was. They were in a tree together,
guys Jake Browning and Trenton Irwin sitting in a tree FEC.
Jin. G Bella's going crazy.
Because. The Hassad's dog going crazy.
Think of this what you've done, Hassan.
The Twitter doctors are saying Burrow's gonna be out for two
plus weeks now. No.
So that's what they're saying, Doc Flint on Twitter says.
Seems like the Bengals. Joe Burrow may have felt
something like a pop when he threw that ball.
Look. I heard a bark.
I mean, God damn it, The with the hammy, I mean the calf.
And now this like. Curse season, man.
Wait, so we got we got the Steelers being the Steelers, we
got Deshaun Watson out. We got Burrow out.
If the Ravens don't win the NFCAFCN, which is a tough
division, like, they're doing something wrong.
That's what Charlie's saying here.
This is leading to us all having to watch Kenny Pickett in the
playoffs. Game, right?
Cancel the playoffs, dude. Cancel the playoffs.
We can't have that. We cannot have that.
Sign you back. Yeah, I'm back.
I'm going to see what my dog is going to do.
She's on high alert. I know I hit the.
I hit the wrong button. You panicked.
I'm just. I'm just a stream yard.
A stream yard. Scrub Hassan, What?
What nation are we attacking tonight?
I don't know. We we haven't decided.
Whales. Whales are probably a fair one.
Whales it is. Are they the ones that do the
fucking log throwing thing? No, that's like, that's
Scandinavian. Is shit.
Oh, is that Scotland? I think that it feels
Scandinavian. Yeah, it feels like a like a
table table toss, right? Yeah.
Denmark or something.
Oh my God, another Erwin target. Erwin's targets are going to be
so insane. Hitting in a tree.
FUCKING ING. Jeez.
Is Jamar Chase even on the field?
I'm asking him an honest question.
No, they have a new number one. He's what?
Yeah, It's Irwin. I'm being.
I see Tanner Hudson, I see Irwin.
I see Shedrick Jackson. An important part of their new
number one is that he can't win on routes.
He's not actually able to create separation or anything.
There's always a defender there. It's not good or anything.
You know, he's Trenton Irwin. He's got long hair.
He looks like, I don't know, Fabio.
That's a pretty good gomp, giving his hair like his like
hairstyle. Chris, what do we think about
kicking a field goal from? What were they at like, the
seven yard line down 2110 without your quarterback?
Little cowardly, huh? Yeah, it's cowards.
Jesus. Yeah, but also like, you're not
going to score, so. Dude, throw a fade route to
Irwin. Fuck around all a white flag no
matter what they do as a white flag.
Expecting Jake Browning to score you a touchdown as a white flag
also. Yeah, but Zach Taylor, He's a
coward of a coach anyway, even if Burrow was in, I don't even
think well at that. In the red zone, yes.
But other fourth down situations that he hasn't been that
aggressive either. Pat threw on his headphone.
He's about to record the narration for the walkthrough
right now. Yeah, dude, I'm pretty far from
the direction I'm going to start.
I'm going to start now. Well, last week you probably
stayed up till 4 recording it, then forgot to hit publish
before you went to bed. Yeah, that's my fucking process,
Pete. Thanks for.
Telling me I hadn't published it.
That's part of the process. If Pete reminds me the next day,
hey dude, I'm trying. To go on my regular Friday
morning run and listen to the the best, the best part about
working on your own path When we talked about this in the
offseason, now that you're off on your own, what you realize is
like there's no boss to tell you what to do.
You just have Pete telling you like hey.
Telling you what to do. Someone else ping me in the leg
up Discord. They're like, yo, you kind of
feel like you. You probably meant to post it.
Yeah, for subscribers. Yeah, always I.
Said it very politely too. I was like, I know exactly what
happened because you've done this with ship chasing episodes
already and then you just don't hit publish.
You're like, oh, a milkshake IPA in the corner.
Better go find that instead. Yeah, yes, that is what
happened. I love it.
Pete is just accurately describing my life.
You two are the fucking best. Fucking.
I get a fucking. This is my life.
I get enjoy these two fucking tantric every week.
Chris, what were you saying about Zach Taylor?
You're you're. You're not.
You're not a huge fan of this fourth time decision.
No, not at all. And there hasn't been, I think
just the an organization as a whole has been just more of
we're just going to ride this out, make sure that we get the
most out of like if they had, I don't think even if they'd won
the Super Bowl a couple of years ago, I don't think anything like
structurally about the entire organization would have changed.
Because, like the, it's still so fragilely built that there's
just this this offense does not succeed without, with, without
Chase, Burrow and. And obviously, like in Higgins,
being on the field together. Because behind them there's
there's nobody. It's nothing.
Yeah. There, there.
I mean, there's nothing they haven't developed, they haven't
drafted well. The offensive line has still
been, I think you can you can put some of that on just the
variance of of drafting and all that, but even bringing in free
agent, free agent talent, cycling and other running backs,
I mean it's been like if Joe Mixon also gets hurt like
everybody else, then their running game is absolutely shot
and they brought in really nothing behind him in order to
like compliment, compliment Mixon.
So it's just Zach Taylor as a whole?
I don't think he he doesn't provide him and Brian Callahan.
I don't think they provide any easy buttons for this offense.
Like look at what it's a. Look at what Kevin O'connell's
doing with even with with lesser talent, yeah.
That's true. I mean, it's a little like a
like a a stars and scrubs auction approach where you're
like, you have your three guys, you have Burrow, you have Chase
and you have Higgins, and then you have nothing else.
And you just really hope those guys don't get hurt, 'cause if
they get hurt, you're fucked. Yeah.
Heaton. Mitchell, let's go.
That's got in all numbers. What you say So that's great for
us. We have.
We took. We took.
Edward Keaton's On All of Our Dead Ones, Keaton.
'S Yeah, he's on Edward. He's running like half as fast
as Keaton Mitchell runs. Right.
He's twice as big. I would love.
To see Keith Mitchell have burst like that in the open.
Field. I would not.
He there was very little burst. He was basically done running.
We need. 2 1/2 more yards. Edwards, Pete.
They don't look very similar at all, man.
I don't know so. Well, that there's Marc Andrews
back in the game you did, and he's out of Lasik.
And Evan, just wanted. To hit him key.
I think a lot of stuff is looking the same.
Several numbers but I. Just saw Mark Andrews catch a
pass. Over the middle.
I'm pretty sure that. Is is that like fucking Mark
Andrews? Play by play on this?
The man. The man drops back, throws deep
to the man. I mean.
Guys, we're still alive on those, Marc Andrews.
It's everyone, once we figure out who that was.
Let's tell. They don't need to void the Marc
Andrews. They just need to replace it
with whoever. That guy.
Whoever The fuck that guy was. The other Marc Andrews.
Kohler. Thank you.
Kohler. Charlie Kohler.
All right, Sure. Oh my God.
There will be two players playing Marc Andrews tonight.
He has an understudy. All right.
Gus Edwards hit 40 rushing yards, Right, Pete, are we do we
have any live of all the stuff that we've built?
Yes, Gus Edwards. So we need five more.
He's over. Yeah, just say Gus Edwards is.
We need likely we need fucking Jacob Sanderson's flag Plan of
the Week. They have solo tangles, I will
admit. Guys, Keith Mitchell is on the
field. A lot of you guys think it's Gus
Edwards. It's not.
That's Keith. Mitchell.
Looks just like I still hope that's Justice Hill.
I just want that to be just it's not.
But we We need Isaiah likely catch for 10 yards.
There's Keith Mitchell. Catch bitches?
Oh, there's our over on the original.
But like, we're not going to hit that, but the original.
I don't even think that is yet. It was 7 1/2.
That was at least 8 yards. Bro.
Look at this graveyard of Pickam's here.
Did Jamar Chase's receiving yards.
It's down to 35 1/2. That was at least 8 yards.
I I I just, I want to be very clear.
That was 8 yards. Oh, you're right.
Pat, OK Keith Mitchell does get there at 8:00.
Do we have any live or anything, or is this all dead stuff?
This is all Andrew's stuff. We got two different Andrew's
things going, alright. This is dead.
I meant Gus Edwards. OK, so we have the one that has
the Tucker in it, and then we have the one that has the Queen.
We did A1V1 off of that. Once I heard about the Queen
Alpha from the chat, I was like, we gotta spin that one off.
Yeah, yeah, that was I by the way, Pete, that wasn't the chat.
That was me. I found that alpha just by
looking at the number and saying he has six at this point and he
only needs 8 1/2 total. And by math, he would need half
as many as he had in the first half.
In the second-half to Victory, you're.
Not gonna have to see what hit. If it hits, we don't have to
invite Jacob on because it was actually your idea.
It was my alpha. We don't have to invite Jacob
on. Oh wow.
You can't dangle the carrot and then just rip it away.
Yeah, we can. Michael says Davis was touting
Kohler. I so Davis actually retired from
doing like fantasy content and gamble after the marque Andrews
injury. He said he was never going to
play again. Yeah, no, that's unfortunate for
Davis. Yeah, no one won't talk.
What's he going to do with the the Showdown Patreon from now
on? That's going to be unfortunate.
I hope he bequeaths it to me. Yeah, that'd be fun.
That'd be cool. Oh my God.
Oh what? Did he just fall down?
Is he hurt? Yeah, I think he.
No, that was non contact. Oh, it's the ankle.
Yeah, motherfucker, Everyone's hurt.
The field Can Blair pretty shit? Blair, tell me something
positive about, I don't know, some player that you know that I
like. Just tell me something.
I need something. Oh man, he limping too.
Did you see that touchdown that Bateman caught trolling?
Oh, you trolling fan right now. Wow, this is perfect.
Isn't good at bad? Nothing good at this Better than
that. Oh, hang on.
So me and Pat had an argument earlier tonight about a start
sit where he wanted Bateman and I wanted Jayden Reid and I I I
managed to get Pete on on my side or Pete independently was
on on Jayden Reid. Anyway, we outvoted Pat and we
went with Jayden Reid and then Bateman scored a.
Team Obviously we all have a lot of Bateman bags and best ball
and everything. I definitely do.
But yeah, it was very funny when, when, when Bateman scored,
it was not my celebration, It was.
Best Hey, hey, Blair, who's about to kick this field goal?
Oh, I think we know. The.
In a game full of darkness, there's one shining light.
His name is Justin Tucker. My favorite game.
There's a special part of that 'cause you played it before you
even attempted the field goal and I was real nervous he was
going to miss it. And then.
But then watching him hit it as the clip was starting, and then
seeing that he hit it and the feeling of of joy that he hit
it, and then just sitting back and watching the rest of the
clip was was pure delight. No, I mean, there's one guy you
can preemptively roll the clip on.
It's Justin Tucker, A. 100% Yeah, and that and that clip
itself has gained some notoriety.
I think I've seen a lot of different fantasy accounts just
wholesale steal it and pass it off as their own OC.
Oh, for real. Yeah.
For real. Yeah.
Wow. Damn Blair, you made that right.
Stolen thraller dude. Yeah, that was like, that is a
Blair Andrews remix cut exclusive LP.
It is, but I'm happy to share it with people.
But it but it like makes it like it like almost like there's
probably like a whole side to like YouTube, TikTok, Instagram
where like they just wholesale stealing ship chasing stuff.
And like reboasting all your stuff, I I I don't think a lot
of other clips have been stolen. Unfortunately.
You don't think this guy. More one's been stolen.
The Leviska one's never been stolen.
Leviska 1, Ronald Jones. You can't.
Handle the sauce. Saw that on a major TikTok
account the other day. Really.
Nobody wants the David Bell one. The David Bell one is another
one. The David Bell One's really
good. I wish David Bell would have
been good. That would have been so fun to
play, JJ. Taylor out there.
JJ Taylor on the dark web. Yeah.
Oh God. There's just too many cowards
out there, man. They don't want the smoke.
Pete, what are we live for? What am I rooting for?
Sorry, I'm drunk. So right now.
Patrick Queen. Rooting for Patrick Queen and
Joe Mixon receptions. That's our sweat currently.
Is everything else covered on that?
No. And then we can shift back to
Lamar Jackson completions to Isaiah likely.
OK, that one narrator right now we want OK, we want to dump off
to mix in four extra lot of yards.
Patrick Queen runs it down and and oh God, that's all.
We're good. Yeah.
I'm. I'm free rolling this, 'cause, I
mean, like, Lord knows I don't want to have Jacob on on
Wednesday, so, like, I'm I'm fine, right?
None of us wants. It does it hit?
Yeah. So, I mean, it's it's an
emotional free roll. You know, For me, I'll be
thinking about, he's gonna talk about like that Canadian just
did the Grey Cup, I think like recently.
I mean, who fucking wants to hear about the Grey Cup?
Like, Jesus, guy goes like Canadian.
The Grey Cup. What's what?
What is that one? It's the.
Theo Bell League they have up there.
Yeah, dude, the the CFL uncovered a new rule.
Oh, Jamar Chase. Quick out.
Jacob sent me AI think it's a one side punt.
And I mean, and I was like, dude, it's actually kind of
amazing. And I was, I was like, dude, why
isn't this like standard practice?
And he was like, they just figured out they could do it.
That's not right. That's the dude doesn't know.
What. No, no.
Didn't realize that you could do it.
They did it. And it's not real.
They're like, oh, that's not there.
You kidding? No, no, that's not real.
You made a Canadian, told you that.
They just realized they could do a Canadian football rule.
They have new Canadian. Football rules that they're
fucking discovering in 2023 better than the Rouge.
And I said, dude, it's so much better.
Why isn't this standard practice?
And he goes, to be to be honest, nobody ever thought of it
before. No, what Canadian Football
League Like Warren Moon was in the Canadian Football League,
right? Like before he played in the
NFL. Nobody thought of these Canadian
Football League's been around for a lot of years.
I don't know how long, but at least until the 80s when Warren
Moon was playing in the Canadian Football League.
Why the fuck are they just discovering this in 2023?
Who has not read the God damn rule book and figured dude, that
it's so good man. OK, yeah, pull up your one side
punt. Yeah, someone DM me and I'm not
fucking Googling this shit. DM us, DM us.
No one else is looking it up. Jacob.
Let's be honest, anytime I the Bombers are in the Grey Cup this
Sunday. 3 exclamation points. Who are the Bombers?
It's it's honest. Honestly.
Like I like it. I think we should be able to do
it. We should have one onside punt.
There's definitely like better rules than what the NFL is
playing with. I will absolutely like the
spring leagues are way better. I I'm sure there are CFL rules
that would improve on it. Do they say sorry when they punt
it too? Sorry, they pun.
It's on side getting back. As long as you say sorry, you
can get a punt back. My favorite thing about Jacob is
he's like legitimately to me. He's like a younger version of
me. He's really competitive.
He came down to Seattle because he lives in BC and and we met
up, went out for some drinks. We went and I took him to a
place where you can play like indoor, right, Like you roll
like lawn bowling, like bocce. And he got way out ahead of me.
He was like really good and he was like getting like
competitive. And then I I I just, you know,
turned on the I'm 10 years older than me, right.
And then came back and beat him. And it was, it was rough.
It was rough for Jacob. Wait, you got it?
You're in Seattle, Gretch. Yeah.
Oh. OK, my brother lives in Columbia
City. Dude, hit me up when you come up
here. Oh hell yeah, man.
Let's let's fucking. I will 100% meet up with you.
Let's let's go out and. Grab.
I was there. This is just a fumble.
What? What?
This isn't it. Why does the the title of this
video is failed onside? Punt.
Play Work. Because Eddie, I mean, I I feel
like that's misleading. That's that's a sounds
misleading. Unless they were also going.
For a failed onside punt. Oh wait, oh, we're on a
commercial here. Yeah, the trick plays will make
you fumble. All right, all right.
Jake sent it in Twitter. Let me pull this up here.
All right, I just sent him Discord too.
I got every I mean. By the way, if you're not
reading Jacob on on sub stack, thinking about thinking.
Yep. If you're not following on
Twitter, we love Jacob Sanderson.
He is one of the. Legitimately one of the best
minds in fantasy football. I I fucking love everything that
he talks about. It's the four man.
Rush gets it out underneath. It'll be the thrill.
Again, at the line of scrimmage they.
Didn't judge Rinant we in. That's legal.
And it was successful. A viral clip isn't all Let's do
it. Wait, Gerardo.
Deep drop against the four man Rush gets it out.
Underneath it'll be the dribble and they tried it again at the
line of scrimmage. They did it with Jess Rinanti in
Ottawa and it was successful. A viral clip.
Did the Alouettes do it a? Viral.
Gardo deep drop against the four man.
Rush gets it out underneath. It'll be the dribble tip.
That's not allowed again at that.
No, it has to travel 10 yards. It travelled 1 yard.
Viral clip. What a rule.
It only has to travel 1 yard. So it's it's second in 20 when
they ran this. This is not OK.
This can't be a rule, Sam said. What the fuck?
This is not OK. This is legal the.
Defense needs to be able to drop back so he's behind the line of
scrimmage when he kicks. It is the rule, I'm guessing,
and then it goes beyond the line of scrimmage and then he
recovers it. I have no idea what the rule is.
I've never tried to figure that. That's why they threw it to the
line of scrimmage, right? So they throw it right before
the line of scrimmage. Then he kicks it right before
the line of scrimmage. It has to be before, but it
should have to touch somebody. What the fuck?
Don't know. It has to touch somebody.
I'm not OK with this. I am not OK with this.
I love it so much. You should just be able to see
this whenever you want. They said it downs.
No, that's an onside kick. What?
What, Jacob? Onside pun is not a thing.
It doesn't exist, buddy. It's that different.
It doesn't exist. It's like it's like down in
Canada. What the fuck are you talking
about? New profile pic.
This. Is insane.
It even matches our colors, kinda.
Oh man. Oh man.
You want me? I mean Jacob.
Let's go play some more bocce, buddy.
I want to fucking talk through this.
I'm going to onside kick you. I'm not.
I'm going to. Onside kick you I found AI
dropped it in the chat, but. There's an article from SP
Nation Lion successfully execute onside punt versus Packers.
So Canada is just really behind us.
I guess the war with Wales is over, The war with Canada's
gone. Wait, we can one side punt.
Yeah, looks like, according to Roger Sherman from from 2014, so
about closer to a decade ago. All right, Lamar's up to 15
completions, so we need three more, preferably 1 to Isaiah,
likely for 10 yards. Mitchell up 20 yards.
Josh Shane. Oh, that's pass interference.
What the Alouettes? Your Bombers are playing the the
Montreal Alouettes. What is an Alouette?
Probably something Canadian, I would imagine.
I I mean, we got to have Jacob on on Thanksgiving so I can
learn what the fucking Dropkick fumble shit is.
And I guess we're all Patrick Queen fans tonight.
Yeah, we are. I I do want to know what
Nalawette is. I remember watching.
Sports Center as a kid and and who was it?
Like Neil Everett, Kenny Main, one of those guys, They would do
some CFL highlights occasionally and they would, they would talk
about the Montreal Alouettes, You know, like like it was some
fucking Lamar fancy thing. Let's run.
Oh, let's go Lamar B and Lamar oh.
No. Dude, Zay flowers, man.
Just can't get there. Been so close.
It's really it's really frustrating.
And they're winning by so much, It doesn't matter.
And there's it's just this game sucks, dude.
This game is not fun. This game was gonna be fun.
And then everyone got hurt. Oh man, the.
Problem about the AFC North is everyone wants to fucking kill
each other and they're all trying to hip drop each other.
They're all trying to break legs.
Like. I mean, we've had this since,
like, Vontae's perfect taking out Antonio Brown's head.
Like, we've all like. Unfortunately, Antonio Brown,
like I'm not trying to Turner now hurt, too.
Who's hurt? Hurt one of the, I think one of
the CBS for the Bengals. I think he's hurt now too.
I mean Antonio Brown. Definitely had a secret.
Right. Vonte's perfect.
Definitely did that. I'm sorry.
And Elwood is a lark. A lark, yes.
I think it's when you throw the ball to the liner spray.
The. Let's just think that would
lower blood pressure. It does.
It's very calming. It's very soothing.
We can be if, if, if Joe Mixon can do this, we can get there
guys. We need likely too, right?
Yeah, but I just, I think, Joe Mixon, how much more for mixing
do you need? We need 12 yards.
Receiving or is it rush, rack or what?
Or 13 receiving. It might happen here. 27 to 13
Are we still establishing it? It probably will.
It's Jake Browning now and like they like, they just probably
want to just get get the fuck out of Dodge.
I had like. The.
Rushing 'cause that was looking good.
Yeah. But I mean, like rushing versus
like Baltimore's defense is just so.
I don't know. Here come the check downs.
Oh. My.
God, by check downs I mean. Are they still running the ball?
God damn it. The check down thesis is not
panning out. Was that was that a Queen
tackle? He's jawed at Joe Mixon.
Yeah. Sorry.
We did get to have Steph on today, Under the Weather,
Putting your mouth, and that's a story.
All right, Jacob Sanderson, congratulations.
You're our first guest book for Next.
He did it. Thanksgiving ship cast The Queen
has arrived. But honestly like do we have to
like again like I called that before Jacob, like that was like
we wouldn't have done, I don't think we would have done it
unless Jacob cosigned. I don't think we would have done
it unless like I said it and then like you know.
Jacob. Was like, you know, kind of came
on late like. Let's send You know Jacob come
lately. Is that what you're?
Saying the two that I. Won V won in that five pick.
Em was was Queen and Tucker. Both of those have hit and now
we just need the likely Joe Bixon and.
I still want to understand that onside punt.
I don't understand the onside part.
I think that's the Jacob question for Wednesday.
Now that Jacob, write me an explanation in the next
newsletter. Be careful what you wish in the.
Chat. I want to know now, while I'm
drunk. I don't want to.
I don't want to fucking think about this.
Even the character count. Back of my head, it's kind of
like like I want to understand now, like I'm trying to figure
it out right now. Rich needs to know now because
tomorrow he won't care, right? Thank you, Blair.
Somebody understands. What am I trying to Welch on?
Tom? Are you the guy that said that
Trenton Irwin was fucking? You are Tom Bradshaw was the guy
that. Yeah.
The whole F What am I? What am I welching on?
What did I miss this show? Oh.
Oh, Jacob not being on. Yeah, that's right.
One side punch. It'd be a 0 for me.
I mean, you can't get any points for special teams.
I want to know what an onside pun is.
I need to know what an onside pun is.
I heard we have good Thursday night games next week.
I have not looked ahead at the schedule.
Do we have one thing? We're not.
Going to be on the air. Thanksgiving, bud?
Yeah, they're good ones, right? Well, I mean, Dallas and Detroit
are good. Now who are they playing?
Yeah. What is the schedule?
NFL. Schedule.
Let's do this. Thank you, Tom.
I appreciate you for acknowledging that I figured
something out. Pack of Lions, Cowboys,
Commanders, 49ers, Seahawks. Packers commanders could be fun.
That will be a bit fun. Let's get some Sam Howell
rolling. Oh, that was Commanders.
My Seahawks are playing. Doesn't strike me as very fun.
No, this is not as impressive as I thought it was going to be.
Pat, you just need to embrace that.
Sam Howell's a thing, and it's fun.
Just embrace. No, I've I've embraced Sam
Howell. I've.
I've.
Been in on Sam Howell for some
of his more fun games. I think he's fun.
I also think he takes sacks like a motherfucker and he's not.
You don't want him against. He's taken like 4 sacks over the
path, like combined the past three weeks.
You make it sound like, yeah. And then and then totally four,
I mean, relative to the rest of the season.
And then he's going to play against Dallas and it's going to
be like 24. What do you want from this guy?
He's throwing a fucking $45.00 game, yeah?
Yeah. Yeah, it's just not.
It's not a match up that suits his skill set is all.
Pete every match up. Suits his skill set.
He just throws and he throws and then when you want him to throw
some more, he throws some more. Pete, I just had a thought.
That's a big thought. We got to look at our PENTA team
with Blair and Hassan. We got to get like Hassan.
We got to break down the team. This is a good thought.
I sometimes have good thoughts. We were so close.
I think we are. How we doing?
Hassan?
Hassan has been doing like the best at running this team, 7:00
and 3:00. We finally got into the
positives on Keaton Mitchell. Yeah, 7:00 and 3:00.
This team, we're playing Keaton Mitchell on this.
Team No. Oh yeah.
We had to play him. We didn't have Deontay.
Foreman. Yeah, it was him versus Deontay.
Foreman I know, and we wanted to play him, but like, it's not
been Keaton Mitchell's. Game script when everyone's
getting hurt, right? Like, yeah.
We got both of our we got Bijan and Romandre on Bai.
Yeah, So for everyone watching this, we had three running backs
for like most of the season, right?
Until we picked up four men. Can I float something?
I feel like we should and I I know we have beat the the guy
who was highest on Cole Comet heading into the season with us
on the show, Blair, I feel like we got to get Cole Comet.
In this yes, let's get Dawson out.
I was. I'm good with that, Datsun.
Out commit in. Let's do it.
I'll tell you what else I'd like to do, guys.
I would love to go and Purdy and stack them with IU.
I think this is a smash bot for the 49ers.
See. It's so I was going.
To say Kyler. I was going to be Kyler.
I'm good with Kyler too. I like that game a lot, I think.
Yeah game could be really fun but it's sort of dependent on
Kyler I think to push the the Texans because they they still
are a little conservative. But I what do you guys think
player Hassan, what do you guys what where are you out on the
QBs because we're indecisive over here.
Good question. I mean, I genuinely don't know
also. I don't know what to do with
that Giants game because like, you could see.
Why would they not throw to Joe Mixon instead of throwing to
this white? 80s number, 80s number is.
That Tanner Hudson dude they have.
I thought it was Drew sample for a hot second they had they had
like 2 similar looking white titanates.
So like the thing, the thing with like Washington versus like
the Giants right is like that you that you run the risk of
like getting like. What were you saying about the?
No, you just you just run the risk of like Sam Howell getting
like you. You run the risk of like Brian
Robinson with a bunch of touchdowns and like the Giants
never not being able to push. Right.
Washington, right. And that's that.
Yeah. Joe Mixon not even on the field
for 3rd downs. This is so sad.
I think I would go one of prettier Kyler, but between the
two, I don't know. But Sam Howell's also dope as
fuck. That's true too.
And it's not like I want to play all three quarterbacks.
Is there a three quarterback league?
I think I'm Kyler Howell. I'm Kyler.
I'm good with Kyler. I'm happy to play Kyler.
I think Purdy is in an is in an amazing spot.
I mean this is like the stack is a good call.
It's a stack. IU's gonna be the cover boy, the
walkthrough this week. I I think he's just, it's like
11. Weird.
Thing about Tampa is they've given up some big games to wide
receivers, but they've actually not given up a ton of big games
to quarterbacks. Yeah, and like Purdy, Purdy has
a very nice floor. But I mean, Tyler can access the
ceiling that he can't. And don't we just need to keep
taking moon shots, big swings on this team?
I'm I'm happy to play Kyler. I I think if any game goes nuts,
it's probably this Cardinals Texans game and Kyler would be
the driving force there of just being able to put up points,
handle the pass rush there. So I I'm totally happy to play
Kyler. Oh my God, DM D about the onside
punch. Yes, Jacob, I'm calling you.
Hey, stay awake. I'm calling you after the
stream. You're going to tell me this?
I'm not reading this. I'm not fucking reading this.
But what did Jacob say? I'll.
I'll read it. I'm curious.
I'll say I want to see it. No, you're in.
You're in the fucking you're in. The I know I'm going to pull it
up. I'm going to pull it up.
Just got to make sure all my other salacious.
Fucking putting this keg in my head.
What? We're going Kyler.
We got Kyler in. Well, and it makes sense, right?
If we pulled out Dotson, then that stack element isn't there
anyway, so might as well get the.
Guys, I did 3 1/2 hours Pete, I don't know.
Kyle makes it so many shows this morning mean I I mentioned this
earlier. Me and Sean did the the recap of
the the whatever in season 2024 first and 2nd rounds.
We did a reshuffle of that, which we always do in August.
Two shows, two hours. Then I did the Perspectives Late
Round Perspectives show with JJ Zach, a recent for an hour and a
half. You talked to Sean Siegel and JJ
Zach, a recent for 3 1/2 hours straight.
Like, I I like how the fuck. I mean, Pete, how do you do so
many shows? Like, these guys are so smart.
Like, how do you do so many shows in a day?
I just don't understand it. You got to be dumb that that's
the. If you're If you just have
nothing up here you can just be on camera and it doesn't
mentally act you in a way it does smart people here.
Here's the here's the DM from Jacob and I'm surprised he was
able to keep this under like like 400 characters onside punt.
So when the. You can use an open field kick
at any time. What you need to do is for
everyone on the line to be no more than one yard down field
when you kick it and only the kicker or anyone line up behind
him can recover it the best way it's used as if it's second and
20 like in that example, we only have three downs.
Thank you for clarifying. You can effectively punt in the
possession and then if you recover you get a new set of
downs, just like if you had punted it away.
The only catch is that in order to do this, you have to be
behind the line of scrimmage, and you can't interfere with
someone's attempt to recover the punt like with a normal punt.
So you have to basically be isolated to try it.
There it is. None of that made any fucking
sense to me. So really, it sounds like the
only way that that works is in just that exact situation, That.
Plays right, Right, Chris. Thank you.
That is. Sounds like a sounds like a
special issue. I cannot think of another
situation where that shit actually makes any sense.
And the fact that that dude knew to do it is like that's.
I mean, that's a level of like Infinity.
Level downs do you punt on 3rd down?
They punt on 3rd. I guess they do punt on 3rd
down. They put on 2nd 2 plays.
Yeah 2 plays and then put on third.
Wait, is. My phone.
But I think when it's the 2nd and 20 they're punting 'cause
you can punt on any down you want.
So they're punting because they don't want to have to deal with
second and 20, they just want a new set of downs.
So it's like it was someone punted on 3rd and 20 for us.
Guys, we need some likely in our lives.
Yeah. Yeah, we do.
Throw it. Throw it.
God damn it. You're up by so much.
This was my whole. Worry with like Lamar, like will
the. Whole worry when you were making
me put the completions higher in the.
In the No, no, no. But when I was sober, when I was
sober, I was worried about Lamar's pass attempts cause like
when they get ahead in games like he is he, he holds the
ball. He'll just want.
To think I should trust Sober Gretch, but maybe fade drunk
Gretch. Right.
Yeah, yeah, you have to judge that.
That's how I Well, dunk Gretch had a goat that was a likely
target. Likely.
Drunk rats got us on Patrick Queen.
That's like one of our hits tonight, right?
That's true. Drunk rats did that?
No one knows. Help.
Tell Jacob Sanderson screamed it in all caps.
Man, I regret. I regret not not live betting
Keaton Mitchell. At one point he was 18 1/2 rush
yards. Live 0.
Man be better by the dip, man have some.
Confidence, of course. I I should have.
I I had two title Boyd overs that are both.
I thought they were. They were looking fine until
this Trenton Irving thing happened.
So I was like, all right, that's just the way it goes.
Blair, do you have any, Do you have any crazy teams?
Going this year and. Sean infamously drafted that one
team where you guys waited until like the 14th round to take a
running back that was top 100 for most of the year.
You got anything like that cooking this year?
Nothing that crazy. This year we have a team where
we're also starting Keaton Mitchell.
This was a year when we were, when we were doing like kind of
what we did in our main event where you take the elite running
backs 'cause they were falling. Yeah.
So we've got Breeze, Hall, Travis, ETN team.
Yeah, that's such a good fucking combo.
That's it. Yeah.
Are you guys winning that league?
We're not winning. We're in.
Third, seven and three, yeah. Yeah, we're we're in 3rd in ours
as well. But like the the guy who we're
playing is like 2:00 and 8:00 and we have like a chance at
like if we beat him, I think he'll take us to the top of the
table, which is really frustrating because it would
have been nice to go into week 12 as like the number one team
in our league and. It's we've got Mark Andrews on
that team, unfortunately. Yeah, you and I have an FPC team
where we have Lamar and Mark Andrews.
Yeah, the guy on the left is is he's two and eight and this is
going to be the week he goes off.
And he's getting H Of course we get him right when he's getting.
H Yeah, he does get HN back. He's 2:00 and 8:00 and has.
HN coming back this week. And like and and like.
Henry gets like a like he's got 30.
Two points already tonight from. Lamar.
Evan.
McPherson are. You fucking kidding me?
Yeah. And then someone, someone outbid
us on on KC because I kind of wanted to play the shootout
angle there with the defense and like I think I think we we bid
so because we have Jake Elliott there and if you so we have a we
have a shot like every every week our team seems to be
outperforming by like 3040 points.
So let's just hope we can do it. Yeah, yeah.
Kyler. Kyler coming on.
Will be big. LaPorte is going to have a
massive week this week. I think so too.
I think that, yeah. And then we have Comet as it
bring back. There you go, a little tight end
shootout in the Dome. Who says no?
Exactly. Let's get the tight end.
I mean, dude, this is the year of the tight ends.
The depth it is. It's been so many years of
saying like tight ends, a deep position.
This is the year man. Like we are getting the next
generation of tight ends are hitting in 2023.
This is fucking awesome. It's awesome.
Tray McBride looks legit. Tray McBride looks fantastic.
You got Kincaid, you got Laporta.
I think Michael Mayer looks sick.
His little posterized fade touchdown last week was kind of
cool. It might take him till like next
year till he's really awesome. Comet, we were just talking
about like there's so many good tight ends that are coming up.
None of them are cockpits but the the other one.
Oh, man. Like I I, yeah, well, that's
you're going to say, like, at what point does Atlanta start
thinking that, you know, we got to get rid of this guy?
Because it was like like they've suffered, I think.
It already. I mean, he's a you mean Arthur
Smith? Arthur Smith.
Whoa, make a break a tackle, buddy.
That's not. That's not what's spreading our
pickups anymore. Yeah.
No, no. I'm with you, buddy. 3 yards.
No, I was good. Yeah, I was good.
I was just going to say like, like the Falcons have been, have
just been what? Do we need what?
One more do we? Need.
Is it one more reception or 24? Yards.
Oh yeah, that's right. It was.
It was yards. That's.
Right. Nine more yards, 12.
We need 12. Who's ideal?
Yeah, we need 9 more. They just they just stacked.
Is this after because he was just stacked cracking up a three
yard? God damn it, Browning.
The other thing about Browning is always that's the other thing
about Browning. He's so God damn bad bro.
He just, he ran. He shook free of that sack and
ran. Into a sack and ran to another
sack. Pressure.
He's the definition of the quarterback that as soon as he
gets pressured, his eyes come down and they never get back up.
So he'll dodge everything until a sack.
This is what he did at UW so many times.
That was flashbacks for me. He's not trying.
No, no. Same how creates space and then
looks back down field and throws this guy creates space and keeps
looking for the next guy that's about to hit him.
He never gets his eyes back down field.
So it's like, it doesn't matter how much space he's creating,
he's eventually going to be sacked because there's nothing
else that's going to happen because he's never looking back
downfield at any point. It happened so much with Jake.
Whatever this fucking guy's name is Jake Browning.
So mad, So mad. That's what he did there.
He I created space. And then he was like, who's
going to tackle me? Where are you?
I'm not going to look downfield. I don't care.
There's people there, but now I go down.
That's all it is. Like that's the whole thing.
Hate it? Pat, are you updating images in
the walkthrough right now? Yep, Yep.
Blair, I want to give you a shout out.
I've been really enjoying the wrong read this year.
Like a little different. This is the first year kind of
like the match up style version in season, right?
That's true, Yeah. Yeah.
It's an awesome read. I've been really enjoying that
you're In and Dave Gibbons kind of match up.
Raider article have been two of my favorites on on Road of Biz
this year. Great.
Yeah, Really appreciate that. It's been a lot of fun to do
that this year. So something a little different,
but yeah. It's a fun one.
Do you have, have you been playing any like DFS or doing
any drafts to kind of, you know, piggyback on all the research
you're doing? I haven't really been playing
DFS at all, I've just been in the context.
Doing the research, yeah. An underdog I should be.
Boy, I haven't done. I haven't done many of those.
I should be doing those because yeah, it should be yielding more
results for me than just getting the article out.
Yeah, no, I I mean I I'm sure like both Pat and and Gretch and
Chris can all relate the the undertakings for doing those
comprehensive matchup columns which require you to like
understand every angle. Of what's happening is is
massive. It's a lot harder to apply it
than those those people like Pete who just read them and
then. Figure out ways.
To I know it's the better move is to read them because you can
read a few different ones and get like.
Listen to them, but often they don't get published, like in
time. If you I'll be I'll be pretty,
pretty honest. Like I've used.
I've used like like like Bat Blair's and Gretch's work I've
used. Extensively to just I've just.
I've given up on DFSI suck at it.
But for like broad betting it's been like a massive godsend.
I'll be pretty pretty honest about that.
So if you guys are into that, you just you should be doing,
you should be doing that because like like it's a great way.
Yeah, Pat, have you. One thing you like about the
walkthroughs that it's not like ADFS article, it's just I'm
trying to figure out what's going to happen and so I hope
that people are. Doing it for like, however
you're playing, if it's regular fantasy or you know, if you're
doing pickums or props or DFS or whatever, or or the underdog
drafts. I think the guy tagged me last
week. He won one of the underdog
tournaments. Nice.
So you know, look all I think all the stuff I wish I the thing
that gets in the way of for me is the underdog tournaments.
I I would love to be like drafting on Wednesday and
Thursday. I would like my process to be
like I do all the massive research.
You you would like to be reading, you doing the research
but not having to do the research.
I would like to do the research and then not write it.
I would like to do it like I do for you guys on the in discord
like where I'm like here's the thing like I just make little
notes and then be like, all right, I'm done.
I have a good feel for. That kind of good thing could do
that Pat. And then we would say here we
have Pat Crane from the site. And then we just continue on
with the show, they were just you wouldn't be associated with
any site. You're a millionaire.
You can do whatever the. Fuck you want?
I mean, yeah, I could. I could not do this.
But I I do like getting the article out and writing the
article. I have fun writing the article
purely from a fantasy. Do you actually like writing the
article? None of us like writing the
fucking article. Listen, here's the patch.
OK, here we go. Oh my God.
Oh no. We need.
Password I don't. Know.
Hey, I know. Come.
On you got Rock. He's so fucking.
Slow. Compared to his early.
What is this? Like I think the flag.
Comes back. Dude, that flag.
Yeah. Everything comes back.
I swear to God I'm done with this, I mean.
Dude, it's like 200. Like that.
Oh, it's on the defense, man, Decline Gretch.
Gretch. I don't necessarily enjoy
writing the article every week, but I enjoy having written the
article and it end it being Friday.
I that that feeling is that's how I feel at the end of
stealing signals. That's yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah. When you hit publish and you're
like, ah yeah. Yeah, especially if I feel I'm
like, I like that one. That was fun.
Got a couple jokes in, not many jokes in this week's one.
Pretty straightforward. This is gonna, yeah, it's, I
said. That would be like a sick would
be so sick if so, if, like Lamar throws the TD here to Isaiah,
likely what we need, guys. We need, oh God, yes, one little
pass. And then we need the likely
touchdown to clear it. OK.
Yeah, and there goes more, Lamar.
Just keep it. All right, so we're.
So we're still live for the touchdown is likely like.
Yeah. Are we just fucked?
We need 9 1/2 for likely. We're not.
There doesn't look good. We don't have that.
He was inside the 10. So Lamar easily cleared his
fantasy points. That was one of our core ones.
Likely never got inside. Oh my God, Lamar could take a
sack here. Lamar's fantasy points were key
point of, yeah, what we're trying to do here.
Lamar Yeah, he's like. Feel really good about that?
Well, once Burrell went out, it was just.
False. They weren't challenging.
Why is Justice Hill getting Gary?
Why is justice? But, I mean, they put up 27
points. I don't know this this Bengals
defense is is overrated. Can we agree about that?
I don't. Understand, dude, they dude,
they're fucking terrible. I hear non-stop about Luannarumo
all the time. Like dude, this guy Luannarumo
is the best difference of coordinator ever lived.
Why are we giving this guy so much respect?
The defense. Stinks.
It's not even Pat that they like to ever talk about.
Like the defense actually being good.
They're always just like Lou is just like this brilliant mad
architect dude. He's gonna dial up some blitzes
these. Quarters.
Well, you're you're gonna, you're gonna see stuff, they're
gonna throw stuff at this quarterback he's never seen.
They're like, what are you talking about?
He he's these guys have seen all this stuff before, 'cause
they're lighting this dude up week after week.
Sorry, Chris. I mean it's, I mean they stepped
back like so far man, and I didn't.
Go. Chris, you're like, we brought
you on because you're a Bengals fan and we've done nothing but
shit on the Bengals because it's just been a bad.
Time tilting tonight. Last week singles Terry dropped
150 yards rushing. Them, though, I feel bad for
Bengals fans, man like you you guys like, how old are you,
Chris? 40.
I'm 36. Let's see.
So you you, I mean, very young, but like you had the late 80s
Bengals, like when you were just very, very young and then you
had the whole stretch of terrible Bengals, like 20 years
of no Bengals anything. And then Carson Palmer broke
that, I think, right? They went to the playoffs with
Carson Palmer and then. Oh God.
And then they made the playoffs with Carson Palmer, and he got
his ACL blown out in the first play of the playoffs by, what's
his name, The Steelers linebacker Vaughn.
Whatever his name was, right. Chemo van all it was a Oh, yeah,
yeah. Yeah, Van, all have some
whatever. I forget, Yeah, chemo, whatever.
And then so you didn't get back to the playoffs for a while.
Now you have Burrow. Burrow gets you all the way to
the Super Bowl. You lose.
It's the title game. And then lose.
And then now it's. And now we're here.
What's it like to be a Bengals? Fan.
It's enough, man. I don't know why I asked that
question at the end. Of the breakdown.
Are you a Reds fan? They're not.
I'm not a big baseball guy, so I like, I've never been like,
yeah, so. Do you root for a basketball
team by chance? Is there a team that you root
for that wins things? I didn't.
No. No.
OK, Me neither. Me neither.
I'm a Husky fan. I'm a Mariner fan.
Mariners are the only team, by the way, that has never been to
the World Series. Weren't.
The Mariners Good Or am I? Wrong.
They were good. Yeah.
After 20 years, they got good again.
This is why I understand your pain.
They have never been to the World Series.
They are the only of the 30 Major League Baseball teams to
be to the World Series. They're the only ones who have
never been there. I'm also a Vikings fan by my My
parents are from Montana. They're Vikings fans.
So I grew up a Vikings fan. So like the Gary Anderson's Miss
in 98, these people have heard about this before.
It's been most of my teams. All are very heartbreaking.
You don't root for anyone who's good.
I was hoping for you. I was hoping.
I was hoping that you could tell me that you rooted for someone
who's good. Like I was hoping you don't live
the same life that I do. Nope, it's going to be like
this. Man, it's the same thing for.
All right. Me and you are brothers.
Cheers. Oh man, that's all love.
It is all love, man. It's not fun to root for sports
for like 20 years and everyone, like all the teams you work for,
suck all the time, but the life we live.
I think it's just cool having a just rooting for a like just
good football. And I think we can all agree
that with Joe Burrow on the field, it's like that's good
football. And I think that's all I've ever
wanted. Like, well, I wouldn't say
that's all I ever wanted. I wanted to win a championship,
but like, I think that's all I ever wanted, like for, for the
most part, 'cause, I mean, it's just like I would say after
Burrow came. Honestly, it's been a few years,
like I have really heard the Bungles said it all that often.
I think just the vibes of being a fan of the team has been at
least the just. So much better.
I was actually talking about earlier today.
It was last year. The, I guess earlier this year,
the night before they played the Bills in the in that playoff
game. My wife and I, we were down in
Cincinnati and of course they were in Buffalo for the game.
But the streets were packed. Everybody's wearing AA1A9
jersey. Hoodies and stuff.
I mean just that that that type of thing was just not that.
That you just wouldn't see that in downtown Cincinnati, like
back in the early, like the early 2000s when I was living
down there for college, that just wasn't a thing.
Like people were hyped about Ocho Cinco Palmer and all that.
But that level of pride about just being a like just being a
Bengals fan. That that just was nothing like
back then. So I don't think it's dope.
I mean like it it of course it sucks like seeing the team in
this in this type of in in the complete like shambles at this
point. But I think just knowing you
have a good quarterback. Yeah.
I think it puts you in a better spot than a lot of teams in the
league. And I think that that's the only
thing I can really like, take solace at this point.
And. He's fucking set.
I mean, he is that set, like anyone who questions Jover, like
he's that good. Like he is that good.
He's. Also got kind of AI wouldn't say
he's like a big personality, but he has like a very kind of
defining personality that's. Helped.
You you what you need right? For For a situation like the
Bengals, you kind of need it to be someone who can come in and
kind of reshape the idea of the franchise around them.
And I think he's done that in a in a really nice way.
Like, he's just he's he's fun to root for, regardless of of
whether or not you root for the Bengals.
Yeah, and I think that's that's the really cool part about just
being a fan and going through all of, you know, the Palmer to
Dalton. Now to this, I think it it that
at least gives me some some hope just again, just watching the
team in general. But this here's hoping that he's
healthy or will be healthy moving forward.
What about runs up the middle when you're down 21, Chris, is
that? 1 that is not.
That goes back to my point earlier about about Zach Taylor
just being like he he's he just ain't it, man.
I think he he locked boxed into getting into getting Borough.
I don't know why this extended him like because like even for
years like like that, even though during the Super Bowl run
like when they were down multiple scores, he was still
establishing with Joe Mixon. Yeah, that you can go back to
the road of history and just pull the stats.
You can see exactly what their their run pass or Frenchville
was even even in like Supreme, right?
One like like in games where they're down multiple scores.
It was disgusting where they just kept trying to establish
Joe Borrow. I mean Joe Mixon.
I mean, it really is the case that the Bengals have been
carried by the fact that they have an elite quarterback.
I mean, it just comes. That's all it took.
If you have in the league. Quarterback.
You have an elite quarterback, right?
And so let's just let's just keep the rest of the
infrastructure in place, not. Worth Oh, another and some of
the. Stuff.
Hey, Jagam. Avion Williams.
Sick of that? All.
Right. Go for it, it's really fast.
And Joe Mixon. Like you literally cannot punt
this. I mean they just ran three
straight runs up they got. Dude, go, they're going to punt
it. They're going to punt it.
Oh, that's that. Yeah, they're definitely going
to punt it. Really, they don't think they
can win this game? They.
Just want to go home They're. Not winning this game.
Yeah, let's just Fast forward. Fast forward to the press
conference. Go Zach.
Tate. Oh all.
Right. Let's go on it.
Joe Mixon on the field. Browning's going to punt it.
Nope. Oh my God, they have a white.
Guy in the back. Is he going?
He's one go, you dumb. He's out for the season.
Actually, Ben, I wanted to get, I wanted to get your take on on
the the Huskies quarterback. Is it like, where do you think
he gets drafted next year? Like, is it You think he's,
like, worth it? I'm waiting for him to take a
big bite to get that one on him. Yeah.
So here's my take on Penix. Penix doesn't like pressure and
I think it's a problem, right, For the next level, he kind of
throws balls away, etcetera. But he is accurate and and I
think accuracy is a really important element.
Obviously he he was injured a lot.
He's like a 60 year player. Oh, is that another Trent Irwin
or Andrew Hudson? Oh, it's Hudson.
Definitely a white guy. Whatever.
All numbers look alike. Would you go as far as saying
all numbers kind of look the same out there right now?
At a certain point, yeah, so Michael Pennix is a legit
quarterback. But also, I would say that
Caitlin, Deborah Ryan Grubb, the offense, the head coach offense,
according to they they they run a really good scheme.
And so a lot of it is. Creating easy throws.
And so a lot of the stuff I've heard about Pennex are from
people that I I know have not watched every UW game.
Like, he's a really good deep ball thrower.
He's not like they attack deep a lot.
And so he has a lot of highlights of completed deep
passes. He also has a lot of highlights
of wide open, deep players. That he overthrew and I'm like,
what the fuck are you doing? Like you got to you got to hit
this throw. If a guy's that open downfield
you have to like you can underthrown by three yards and
you can still get the touchdown. You can't overthrow him like
this is a problem. So he has some issues with with
the deep passing. What I like about him is the
intermediate like he gets the ball on time.
He reads defenses well, like he does a lot of stuff well.
I I mean he's a pocket passer. He doesn't like to take hits.
I I I already brought up Kurt Warner earlier but he reminds me
another guy who reminds me of Kurt Warner.
He is accurate and he has zip on his passes.
Like the thing about Michael Pennix is he can throw like the
in the NCAA they have wider hash marks so if the ball's on the on
the right hash mark he might even be like rolling further
right. He'll throw back to the left
sideline and he will fucking put zip on the ball and get it there
before a defender can close on it like he can throw 4050 yards
like on a line. But yeah, anyway, he's he looks
like he's going to be a later first round type of prospect.
I've watched a lot of them. I like him.
I think he could be good in the NFL level, but like there's
certain systems that I would like him in more than others.
No, that, no, that makes complete sense.
I mean, I was just, I was just curious, just because we're
getting, you know, we're getting the ball season, then before you
know it, we're going to blink and it's going to be learning
who the hell these rookies, rookies are.
Right. Yeah, no, I mean he's not.
I I I wouldn't say he can like transcend system is what it
comes down to. Like he might win the Heisman.
He might literally win the Heisman because we might go
undefeated. We're undefeated right now.
I was talking earlier about we're Owen 12.
We are undefeated right now. We got Oregon State this
weekend. Guys, I'm.
I'm very into hockey football right at this moment, but.
And Owen. Sitting in a tree.
Fucking. Clip it, Clip it.
Clip that shit, man. Look and go.
Just breaking tackles, buddy. Fucking it was.
It was FUCKING. But now it's just.
It's just fucking dude. You know what's crazy?
So the underdog. So that the most the most
popular number Keaton Mitchell higher than 8 1/2.
So in ours we got it at 7 1/2 and he's at 8 yards.
So touchdown. Wow.
Man. Jamar Chase, TD, We have fantasy
points over. Saving fantasy managers.
I don't know. If that's going to be enough,
though, that's like 10 points, right?
No, Blair, it's not going to be enough, I promise you.
We also had Andrews on those tickets.
Hey, got no Gretch is right. We should probably pull this up
and just see if there's a sweat here.
So not anything. Pete So if Mark Andrews were to
come back? If Tyler Boyd were to get 23
more receiving yards, 24 if Joe Burrow were to get about 21 more
passing at depths If Davar Chase scores another touchdown.
We can with. I mean, yeah, we got.
This running stared down that route.
Holy shit. Pete, let's look at some more of
these. Let's let's keep looking at
these. Yeah.
What do we need here? You only need 33 yards from
whatever, 23 yards from Mark Andrews.
Oh, what do we need? From Keith Mitchell here, 5 1/2.
OK. Five and a half.
Some of these were like. Kind of like Keith Mitchell's
getting there. Why didn't Boyd not get there?
Boyd fuck off. No, the Ravens are getting the
ball, dude. We would have just faded Tyler
void and done. Trenton Irwin could be swimming
in cash right now. Isaiah Likely's biggest rug pull
of the century. So sad.
God the Isaiah. Likely Joe Mixon receiving
yards. Biggest rug.
Pull Jim bringing up Isaiah likely.
What an idiot we should have just built around fucking
Patrick Queen. That's.
Such so got too annoying. That's so annoying.
He just got there by the hook to 9 solo.
Jacob just asked me a minute ago in the chat here.
Do you have in the Dunesay take? So we have a guy named Rome, a
Dunesay. You guys are going to know this
name. Very.
Blair's nodding. Blair's already doing his
fucking research. This guy might be a top ten
pick. He's a white secret.
He had a chance to declare early and didn't so that.
But he didn't, typically because Pennix also had a chance and
like it. It's a very UW thing.
It's it's look, listen, it's very romantic around here.
There's a there's a there's a narrative around this we can
say. But Roma Doonze is legit.
Period. Jacob.
Like, I I will. I was just saying like, you know
Pennix has strengths and weaknesses.
I was telling you that Browning sucks.
I was telling people like Dwayne Washington sucked.
I also told people that that John Ross was legit, so I was
wrong about that, but Rome would do the one that told me to draft
Bishop Sankey and AS Jet. No, I didn't tell you that.
Ben and I Ben and I drafted John Ross one or two in a in a
dynasty league, the dynasty team that he Co owned.
We We Co owned a dynasty team together.
You don't remember the old Rodevez salary cap league?
I do. Remember God that that league.
That's right. 14 Team Mocker was running.
Oh God. It's still it jumped that team
alive. It's still alive a long time.
Wait, so you told the sound you were going to Co own it and then
you were like, also by? He quit after a couple of
seasons. It wasn't just the one.
OK, but no, Pat. Yeah.
Like what you just said is like
kind of what I did. Like I'm kind of that Dick head.
Yeah. No, I mean, I deserve that.
I deserve that. Hassan at the time was like a
new contributor to Rotavis was editing like podcast for me.
It was an awesome dude. I loved getting to know Hassan
and we started doing some some together.
Did Hassan pass away? I think.
I died. Did we lose?
Hassan. It was.
It was the oh man, we moved to MFL from another completely
different platform that I'm forgetting the name of.
Yes, reality sports online. That's when I was going to.
I did, I did the start up on reality sports online and then I
quickly quit. I quit before any of this
happened. I was like, can't do this
anymore, right? I quit after it.
It transitioned. I was like, Hassan, I'm not
going to be able to do it anymore.
Like I'm not going to. Figure out a new fucking system
like. It was.
It was Kevin Cole.
It was Kevin Cole who was running it for a little bit too.
I think he was the one at the start.
Oh man. 'Cause like the.
Reality sports online stuff, dude.
Like the problem was it was. It was.
It was a fun concept, but it was too complicated to where you get
to the point where. People are making decisions that
they don't understand the ramifications of, right?
Like, Oh yeah, it's just, it's fucking like you can't have
everybody, like unless everyone is sitting around really giving
it time and thinking about what this, like, complex rules are
and what this all means. The pitch was basically, let's
make this as complicated as running an NFL franchise.
And then it was like, oh, that's so sweet.
Like you're and then you go and you sit down and you do it and
you're like. Oh, this is like gonna take a
lot of my time. Yeah.
And also, like, it was cool theory, But also Pat, it was
like, there's only four people here that are as into this as I
am, and everyone else is like, it's fucking everything up.
Because they're not actually trying.
They're not bidding on anything. They don't know what they're
doing. They're over bidding.
They just paid fucking 70,000 million dollars, whatever the
fucking units were for Mike Evans.
Like, I mean, this is like a random player.
Like literally actually pretty good.
I'm actually looking at my team right now and yeah, I gave.
I gave Robbie Anderson $11.2 million and signed.
To four years. What does that mean?
What? What does $11.2 million even
mean? Though yeah 11.2 is like nothing
I. Think now is nothing but like
he's still taking up like 11% of my calorie cap.
But yeah, so like, so reality sports online.
The best part about it was. It was like the interface that
pissed everybody off. And then like the auction drafts
we had, like rookie auctions and the timer was set for three
seconds. So it's.
Like. You literally had to had to
bash. I don't know if you.
That's when Kevin Cole was in charge.
I remember this. I remember the think it's going
lower and lower. It was basically, it was like,
completely impossible. Because it was so long, it was
too long. But then I remember Kevin just
being like the timer set for like some very small amount of
time now. It was the least time.
I was like 3 seconds. So like, literally the player
would flash across your screen and if you weren't bidding on
him, it was instantly gone. And you didn't have time to
think about it like it was. Done.
Yeah. Not, not my favorite format.
All right. Think it's time to go to bed?
Yeah. Is the game.
Over. Scratch he.
Hasn't been watching. He's just sitting there
drinking. I'm just how much?
How much count for left in your cake?
Yeah, I need how much? Yeah, with Keg.
Check. What we got?
I can lift it. It's kind of heavy.
Just my fingers. Too heavy, I'm just.
Shake it or something Like how much is left.
Put it next to the mic. How to what?
Yeah, let's let us hear the slot.
Give us a good slot, tap on the side, put it next to the mic.
Go like this next to the mic, yeah.
That doesn't matter. I don't know if that does
anything. For us.
There's liquid in there. I didn't drink the whole fucking
thing. You guys did the math.
It would have killed me if I drank the whole fucking thing.
I. Put it I put it on.
This, but you have a lot like it's like 2/3 gone, which is a
problem. For me to.
Figure out at this point that I'm trying 2/3 of that I.
That's. A lot.
Tell the people where they can, where they could check you out
if they've made it this far. Find me on the X Twitter
machine. Whatever.
Call it Chris Allen, FFWX Saturday News Yeah Saturday
Newsletter for Fantasy Life. You'll find all my writing for
the yeah, Saturday morning catch us.
Catch. Catch Me there.
Awesome. Yeah, Chris, doing great work
over at Fantasy Life mentioned Blair's terrific Wrong Read
column over at Rotoviz Hassan. You guys still you got the
Rotoviz repo going Sunday nights, right?
You've been pretty consistent with that.
Yes, Sir. So tune on in.
We're going to be live on every Sunday at 9:00 PM.
Come tilt with us. We try and talk, talk about the
recap the week and potentially even get into strategy talk.
Am I in there this week? Country.
Give us the country that we need to hate.
Given the onside kicks bullshit, I think the onside punt
bullshit. We'll go with Canada.
Yes, Fuck Canada. God, great.
That's beautiful, Gretch. I'm hesitant to ask if there's
any other final words you'd like to say.
Check out Stealing Bananas Beautiful multiple episode.
Conversation with Sean Siegel. Check out the late round
perspectives with JJ Zacharisen. Oh, are you on there?
And impressive conversation there.
Yeah, 90 minutes of of good talk and ID with JJ.
Wow. Yeah, typically just, you know,
sipping my tea and then having a good time over here.
Just, you know, hope you guys are doing well.
I'm sure. I'm sure it was a very
sophisticated conversation. Pat's been updating photos for
the walkthrough. Looking forward to that
publishing. Good night.
It was an important update that I that I got done that got me
back on not on schedule but on in a in a place where I can get
it done at a reasonable hour or not extremely unreasonable.
But yeah, I will be publishing the written content tonight.
I will be uploading the audio tonight and I will be publishing
the audio as soon as Pete reminds me that I've got to do
it tomorrow morning. Make sure to.
Check out. The the FS.
MVP pod that I'll be doing tomorrow and I think Hassan, I'm
on the, the, the run of the show with you guys.
In the next. Is it this Sunday or is it
coming up? 19th, Yeah, The 19th, that's
when you, that's when you're on. Yeah, there you go.
There you go. Make sure you guys check out
Stat chasing on ship chasing that's available for YouTube
members Tuesday nights. They stream that live at 8:00 PM
and then it goes public on Wednesday morning.
Awesome work from Draco and and sacrilegious.
Make sure you're checking that out.
You can get it on the pod feed or in video form for me
tomorrow. No JM to win, he's traveling for
my DFS show so Hilo from one week season is filling in.
Super sharp guy, excited to break down the slate with him.
And then I head over with the Badge Bros and we do off and on
the clock walk through a bunch of battle Royale underdog
drafting. Strap and you keep fucking
hitting every single. Pick them that you do on, off
and on the clock. Everything you're picking.
Pete is crushing it. He does these calls for all of
us. I just want to be very clear.
Listen to Pete's fucking content.
The the ship chasing Pickems die so the off and on the clock ones
can fly. I think is is what we're doing
right now. No, but Chris Blair Hassan, very
much appreciate you guys hanging out with us.
Thank you guys for the chat. I know it was a brutal game.
Injuries Pickems flopping. You know it is what it is.
But Wednesday we will be back. We got to do some work.
We're going to book some guests. We do have one guest, Jacob
Sanderson, because Patrick Queen, whatever.
But we will. We're going to book some fun
guys. We'll have a fun show Wednesday,
so no ship cast next Thursday. That's Thanksgiving.
But we will be live Wednesday night for a fun ship chasing
Thanksgiving extravaganza. We'll see you then and let's go
out on a little moment of Zen that feels appropriate for
tonight. The.