Main event draft season rolls on with one of our favorite annual
traditions, drafting with Sean Siegel.
We have the one O 9 tonight. It is sure to be a fun one.
Lots of fireworks here. This is ship chasing with Pete,
Ben, Pat and guess Sean Siegel. Let's do it.
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It looks like we're finally at this point here, right?
All right, we got the crew here tonight.
We are off to the races. one-on-one pick is in.
Sean, welcome back to the ship chasing airwaves.
How you doing? Good, good.
I love my background in the little clip there, so that's
always. Fun it is it.
It seems so long ago that we got you to say piss boys on stream.
Yeah. So we have the 109 tonight.
We had the 109 last week with Davis.
We have a few one O 9 slots this year in our portfolio.
Sean, I know you said like for you there's a a a break after
the top nine. Is is that where you're feeling
good being at the making sure you're capturing one of those
guys? It is, it is.
I think that the guy we may have a shot at here is going to light
the world on fire and potentially be drafted at the
One O2 next. Season this is this is the way
to get him to fall tonight. But if he doesn't, there are
even better picks available. I didn't know that you.
That's how you thought about Devante Adams.
I thought you. Were, yeah.
It's, it's an unusual take for you, Sean.
I mean, he has been good for a very long time, but you know,
he's, he's older. So we see Bijon go off the
board. Did I hear you guys?
You guys took Bijon pretty early in one of your mains, right?
We did. We took him at one O 3.
Well, nice. Yeah, we did that the other
night. That was our first main.
It was an interesting, it was, it was an interesting draft for
sure, but it worked out pretty well.
Sean was really excited about it and I apparently kept Pooh, Pooh
again, I was like, yeah, these things are kind of not the exact
one thing that I wanted. It's the second thing that I
wanted. We had like 5 targets fall
around below ADP. Ben wasn't having it.
Those we took, those are all good, but I wanted more good
things. So it does look like we'll get
one of the guys we expected to get CD Lamb, Amon Raw Chase, go
Lamb kind of the faller here by ADP with Breece, Bijan and
Tyrique all going ahead of him, which is nice.
What we it was with Davis, we had the Amon Raw fall.
Right, which is a nice, nice value on him.
And here he is. Is this the Sean you wanna?
I assume this is the guy you're referencing, A.J.
Brown. I mean, he is your brand.
There was a 145 point difference in fantasy points over
expectation for Garrett Wilson versus CD Lamb last year.
We could potentially get that. Well, not reversed, but I'm
gonna close the gap a little bit.
Garrett Wilson 102 next year. That's what we that's what we
said. Oh, it was me, not then.
Wasn't responsible for it. That was my projecting the 2025.
First round, I will. I'll read the Yeah, I'll read
the first part of an e-mail that Gretch sent on August 1st when I
said we got the nine slot for our draft on 8/22, Gretch says.
Usually an annoying slot, but not gonna lie, that sets up
pretty damn fun. If you're an insane Garrett
Wilson truther it. Was August 1 the.
Prophecy has come true. Called the shot Babe Ruth.
I'm glad it worked out like this.
I mean, I, I didn't want to have the Jefferson versus Wilson
debate because that's, it's a tough spot.
I like that we, I mean, getting Garrett Wilson at 109 is, is
very nice, very, very happy about that.
I I think I would have been perfectly fine taking Jefferson
in that spot for the record pad. I mean, I, I don't know if I
said this on ship chasing yet We talked about it on.
Well, Sean had Jefferson second in the queue, so I think there
was going to be a little. Bit we're.
Going to have the conversation at the very least.
Sean might have might have had cared over Jeff.
I switched back after our our chat last time and then Davis
had some more notes for me. I switched back to Jefferson
over Wilson after we had our our fun debate on on ship chasing.
You talked me into it. Yeah, Davis is going to have
some notes on Jefferson for sure.
By the way, if you guys aren't on Twitter, you have to go see
the clip that. Just posted.
Earlier today when Davis said getting sniped on Savior Worthy
is how he imagined it feels to get shot in real life.
So we made a mini men. You want to for that the 1st to
mean that Davis is sometimes hyperbolic.
Yeah. Just a little.
And the the best part of it is
you have the lyric in that song. Look to the sky no more.
And our incredible editor Zach, of course, spelled it Skyy.
Moore yeah, incredible stuff. When I saw that that was that
was crazy to me because I'm like he he was boxed into that song,
like David said, you know, he said every time I I get sniped,
I play many men. So he had to he had to use many
men and yet he found a sky mordic in there.
This is. So the turn these past 2 picks
have been pretty wild. So the 11 O goes JT, the 12
double taps running backs, Jamir, Gibbs, Kyron and then the
JT drafter comes back and takes Kelsey at 22 here generally
Laporta then going ahead of him. So we'll see what what the A.J.
Brown drafter does here. Now, I know we like the tight
ends here, but the receiver that's fallen to me, it just
should not be in the second round.
Devante Adams. Devante Adams, Yeah, he's
because he should be in. Probably the 4th.
Well, this the ten holes really bleeding the clock here I think.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that tone of voice was
your deke voice or was that a very serious one?
No, I would. I would take puka.
You would take puka here. Absolutely.
Sean has PUP ranked well ahead of Puka Nakua.
I would like to get our first MC rideshare personally.
OK, all right, fine. I, I don't understand the lack
of enthusiasm for a guy who just had the best rookie season ever.
It's it's very strange to me. I mean it to me like there are,
we've seen some of these rooms. What was it last week?
Where the pitch? No, I get, Yeah.
Everybody came off the board and then you're we're scrambling.
I get, I get it structurally, I just, I don't know.
It's, it's just very, it's very strange to me.
It was it was nice for me honestly, because last last week
or two weeks ago we had Sak on and and you know, we had the the
legendary upside contingent. But there you wanted to start a
puka conversation. I could just say, well, Shawn,
Shawn has him second on his own team.
So we have, we have the guests. And Cooper Cup.
He has himself second, he says Cooper Cups the the one.
I think the the problem is that when you put up that kind of
season as a rookie, like it's just, it's, it's very likely
that you're a superstar and that that changes, that changes
things. But do you know that FFPC is
tied in premium sometimes? That forgets.
I I like to remind the chat, 'cause they do forget that it's
tied in premium. Yeah, yeah.
Column and I took McBride at 1:10 in ours because we did get
walled off from both Garrett Wilson and Justin Jefferson.
So So now I have two Mcbrides. How many main events are you
gonna do this year? Sean I.
Don't know, I think maybe around 10, something like that.
You always like to save us too. Yeah, do some at the end, get
that late information, be able to still do the waivers.
Yes, and I'm sure a lot of people have already seen it, but
the zero RB countdown list has been posting.
We're down to the what? You just have the final
installment, right? Five through 1.
And that'll hopefully come out tonight.
Was writing all day up until when we started here.
I got four of the five final blurbs done.
Awesome, My my favorite game to play, and I mean I've been
drafting with you all summer is trying to guess and I think I
went four of five, four of five and I might have just gotten
some of the orders wrong. But it's it's been fun because I
remember back in the day, it was like that was like the first
time you would kind of, you know, really reveal all of those
things. And I feel like we're lucky now
that you kind of you, you, you sprinkle the bread crumbs
throughout the the offseason a little bit more now.
Well, I tried to do, you know, just get the the Subs going as
well. Did the zero RV prep kit with a
looking at the 61 most relevant running backs.
And it's always interesting because a few names have popped
up and certainly joined that group recently looking at them
and the five components that we would kind of want to see to
figure out who is in the best position to really smash ADP.
So the the countdown, the 15 players is not the best 15 guys
or the highest scoring 15 guys after a certain point.
It's the best 15 plays after that point when you consider
Price, right? Because we only have a certain
number of picks in every round. And we also have to figure out.
You know. Who we're going to lose, maybe
even at another position, if we make that running back selection
and. Yeah.
It's always tough. It was certainly tough this
year. I think there were about 17
names in play. We may run into the hardest one,
the most controversial 1 to leave off kind of as we go
through. And there were certainly a
couple. Jordan Mason probably shouldn't
be on there. I sent it to Blair for editing
and he's like, if you if you need to make some revisions, I
prefer you put somebody else in. This is not a good point.
Why? So Blair, so anti Jordan Mason
because he's not a 21 year old rookie.
I'm sure that has something to do with.
It Yeah, I mean, Kendry Miller did make the list, so I, you
know, I. I I like the Jordan Mason
inclusion I. Think I like the Jordan Mason
inclusion too. Patton is good to get.
Somebody who is going to be in a three-way committee when the
100% snap sure guy eventually goes down.
Oh no. 3 way it might be. Four, is that an Isaac Arendo
comment that you just made? I think it was a Cody Schrader
comment. I feel like he wasn't including
Debo, so we need to get the fourth name in there.
I tried to find the coaching might.
Include Kendra Miller, to be honest.
I mean, if they cut him perfect, more powerful, you know the lots
of teams need a starter. But the.
Problem is, I was talking about this the other day.
Like, if I didn't know what team Kendra Miller was on and you
told me he got cut, I'd be like, I hope he lands on the Saints.
That's just such a such a perfect spot for a for an
exciting young back to land on. And that's the reason that he's
on here, right, Is that either way, and like Ben says, he's not
going to cut, but either way, it's perfect because you're
either going to be behind a washed starter or.
Hey, some hills you're. Not.
You guys entirely up to to Dennis Allen, first of all,
whether he gets cut. Like the GM is obviously the one
who makes those decisions and and ultimately had the final say
in the draft selection as well. Dennis Allen's obviously
frustrated by the injuries, but I also think we're reading like
a little bit into just his personality type like that.
He's just like, I'm not saying that he's not upset about it,
but he's just like saying it as it is and people are like, oh,
he's kind of cut is, you know, just day two year 222 year old
running back is they're going to give up on their 22 year old
running back. I just feel like that's I think
he's just really disappointed that Kendry Milk is not been in
practice. What's that?
What do? You mean they're going to give
up on him? This.
This guy is so clearly already giving up on him.
No, I don't think that's true. I don't think it is either.
I think he's just an asshole. Like just a total.
Asshole. You're right, I think he's an
asshole and I think he's frustrated.
And he really does love Taysom, though.
I, I think one of the, the sneaky things there is I think
Taysom's basically going to be running back this year.
Taysom's the backup running back I think.
Yeah. Make him see Yahoo.
Dennis Allen straight up. One schedule to be homeless at a
bare minimum. I mean it.
Feels like that. It does feel like that.
Yeah, Yahoo today changed Taysom to give him quarterback tight
end dual eligibility. There was a lot of excitement in
the Yahoo streets. Today I saw.
I got the question somewhere and I forgot to respond to it
because I didn't know how to like in that moment.
But one of my subscribers messaged me.
How much does he move up the ranks?
It's. Like, I don't know, pretty.
Far. Yeah, he's he's in like the one
30s I think on DraftKings where he has tight end eligibility,
which seems. I.
Davis said to me he asked me it for underdog if he had tight end
and I said I thought he would go after Najoku and before got her
if he had tight end eligibility after how this offseason is
shook out. Well, draft.
So DraftKings, he has tight end eligibility.
He goes at 1:37, we have him at 1:30.
Yeah. And he would be a slightly
better play on underdog than DraftKings do.
He'd be so touchdown heavy. Yeah, yeah.
Oh, on Underdog and .5 PPR he would be yeah, but I mean, ahead
of Goddard, I'm just. Saying I'm not editorializing,
I'm saying I think that's where he.
Would that's where you think he would go?
Got it. OK.
Yeah, I think you're right. You think people would get that
stoked about it? That makes sense.
Yeah. I feel like that's, I don't
know, I think. He's had a pretty big role.
Has been pretty they all they do is talk about him.
Right. All right, quick update here on
the first round or so after we took Trey McBride, Puka came
off, then Barkley, Marv, Derrick Henry, Dalton, Kincaid, a Chan,
Drake, Lennon, Cooper Cup rounds out round two.
Round three goes ETN, Nico, Devante, Adams, Olave, Mike
Evans, Mark Andrews comes off the board and we are up in a
couple of picks here and should have a a nice set of options.
My cat tried to murder me this morning.
That's great. What do you mean?
Just decided to see this just like I've got my.
Eyeballs. I've got a mark here on the on
the eye for Murphy. We're messing around and he got
me freaking the eye. I was just like 5, AMI was
petting her. She was like so happy and then I
got up to go walk down to get coffee.
She doesn't really like when you walk with her, but she was so
calm with me sitting with her. When I got up, she was like.
Wow. Get some.
I just realized Davis copied your name.
He announced that he's getting a puppy and naming it Murphy and
we were making that. He named it after Liam jokes.
Now I realize he's just copying. You.
It's just copying. Yeah, it's a great dog.
It's. Literally chasing Korain.
It's truly chasing Korain. Oh my.
God, although I name my dog Murphy, I'll win BBM.
Yeah, I mean, that is the order of events.
I got Murphy in 2022, 2021 no 2021 Neighbors.
Goes some really nice wide receiver options.
Who do you guys like here? I really wanted.
Neighbors. I'd probably be Waddle.
Debo's also interesting. I like Waddle.
What do you like, Sean? I would go with Debo because it
potentially opens up more things, but it depends a little
bit on the fourth round positional preference.
I assume we'll. Still probably be wide receiver
in the 4th. That's what I would.
Think too, Yeah. Are you thinking something
different in the 4th? Not necessarily, yeah.
I know what you're saying now, yeah.
You want to do waddle and then keep that option a little more
open. Sure, I feel like this is.
A pretty nice price for Waddle, I mean is it is this close to
his current ADP right now? So in the last three days in
fantasy pros and main events it is debo AT2O8 waddle at two O 9.
So just right there, OK. Gotcha 23O3O8 and 309-3083.
O nine, yes, yeah. We, Sean, we took Debo on our
other one and then Pat and Pete and I also took Debo in one of
our in our slow. Is that right?
So yeah. I have taken.
Debo with all three of you once already, so it's nice to take
Waddle with you guys once as well.
I don't think I've drafted Waddle yet.
That'll do in my. 3rd depot, yeah.
And so this. Is another draft where I think
sometimes, because early on in main event season, I don't know
if it's still happening, is if this pits thing has pushed up.
But like early on you could generally get pits here in the
3rd and now it just doesn't seem to happen in any of our drafts.
He's at. 311 just in Maine's. He's also at 3:11, so OK.
So it is just our drafts. I mean, it kind of makes sense.
Yeah, it. Makes sense that he gets sniped
in ours, yeah? You know he's not coming back.
Yeah. Jokes on all you.
Guys who keep taking him because he's Kyle.
Fucking bitch. Good luck have.
Fun with that this has all been a long time you get used draft
Kyle Pitts in year four if we end up with. 0% we can then just
be like, man, this is the worst pick on the board or he last.
Gave to me with this. Round three Kyle Pitts Guess we
didn't watch any football the last three years.
So we got. We got Collins at the four O 3
and which is like I don't think he got hurt in the last 30
minutes, but having Waddle and Collins together was fantastic
at the three. 4:00 You got Waddle and Collins.
It's crazy how that's nuts. Who can?
Fall wow, this tier wide receivers on you know, in Titan
premium and with the running backs going where they do, I
mean this tier wide receivers that like they go in the early
2nd on underdog, they fall all the way to the 3-4 on on the
yeah, I know I mean. I said it wrong at the 3:10 and
then the four O 3, it was four O 3 for Colin.
I mean the other one, yeah, four O 3 for Collins.
Fourth round. Collins, I will definitely go
ahead and believe he's going to be the wide receiver one for
them. The 12.
Holes now gone. Three straight running backs,
Jamir, Gibbs, Kyron and Pacheco. Very high.
T. Yeah, I think this.
Was what happened in the was it the one with Zack and and Draco
where I pointed out there was the team 11?
Was the all yellow? Yeah, it.
Was and I feel like. I've seen this the account name
was that this? Was it the same name?
Somebody in the chat go watch back to that real quick and tell
us report. Back because it might.
Literally have been the same. The account name.
I've seen this somewhere, yeah. There it is, Pat say the line.
Ah, this team. I think I believe that was the
5th running back when they grabbed a shot.
Right. I think you're.
Right. Yeah, I don't.
Know I can't remember it might have.
Been five straight so since we picked Debo win Pitman said
Pacheco. The turn guy does take DK
Metcalf, then Diggs comes off the board and we are on deck
here. I assume any of the players in
the queue, zero chance any of them come back, right?
So we can we can kind of talk it all out, Devante goes.
So Sean were. You, you said, Did Debo make
Kittle more attractive to you? Or less.
No, I, I. Would kind of prefer him and for
this to to be separated, so yeah.
I mean. McBride and Kittle I think are
the two best tight end plays and you can put them both together
here. I think you do want 2 elite
tight ends. The only other thing is you can
play it back to front and say, you know, maybe there's a
cheaper, still better tight end play, but I don't know that
you've got to go to that. The other pick here isn't going
to come back, but. The player.
Who might be the better play from that team might come back?
Right. All right, let's take Kittle.
I think the. Kittle, I think Kittle's very
fun. I I mean.
I would float a uke as well. I mean, I think you should at
least be named, but I I'm fine with Kittle.
Yes, is. Are you buried in there?
You got named. I didn't.
Even I didn't even see him. Where is he in this 80s?
We have 5. Seconds there he's he's just a
little bit after that OK that was a fair.
Float bat, but you got crickets. Yeah, I couldn't.
I mean, you know how Kittle's not going to score?
Like hardly any points most weeks?
It's because I you Quill. Unless the fact that he's not
showing up to camp actually effects this season, like we
talked about a little bit on the show, where like the years where
he's been locked in at this time, like last year have been
good, the years where he wasn't have been bad.
Aren't you worried a little bit? Well, it's the.
Classic thing, we're playing Trey McBride in the flax and and
George Kittle is our tight end had.
He not had the offseason than he did.
I think he'd be going more like where Kukocop and Nico Collins
went. So yeah, but I've been paid my
worries. You pay me and my worries go
away. That's how I generally feel,
right? The room pay me around and a
half, my worries suddenly feel so much better.
Is that what it? Felt like the way BBM you're
like you pay me if my worries go away.
I am now a millionaire. I want to move to San Diego.
Look at these worries. It's.
Floating away I I. I like it with how many, you
know, we've had some spots in in the drafts where we have been
doing a lot of late tight ends and I think it'll be nice to be
able to flip some of those to to running backs or some wide
receiver darts. And.
And let everyone else trip over themselves to catch up at tight
end. The other IU thing is the with
this Datsun trade, people are, you know, just speculating
wildly that he'll now go to Washington.
That is the one spot this whole time where you'd actually be
like. Do I like this?
Better is. This actually.
Good. The.
The Steelers stuff was obviously like, man, that's the volume is
just such a concern. Obviously it's a rookie
quarterback and you lose Shanahan, so it could be pretty
bad, but there's a path to upside there.
Yeah, the Jayden Daniels bromance thing, along with them
moving Datsun has everybody riled up about that.
And then Pretty Ricky was out tweeting again that Iuke hasn't
been at the facility for a little while.
I, I was like you mentioned, now you might be going to the 2-3
turn. I mean, I was, I've been pretty
out on him all offseason, so I'm probably a little biased, but
and, and getting even more negative once you get paid off
on it a little bit. But I thought he was overpriced
for most of the offseason anyway, which like we may never
really know if that thesis was correct, but the the volume
stuff, even if he goes back to San Francisco, still a bit of a
problem. And the way that he won last
year was a three plus yards per out run, which is.
Hard to. Describe in terms of how good it
is. You know how good it is, though,
Pat? Like you like AJ Brown's been
2.5 plus every year of his career, but he's never been
three because that's a really fucking amazing season of
efficiency. And if Iuke's not on point,
that's his whole thing, is that he was like hyper efficient.
Yeah, but we. Know, you know, efficiency helps
deliver volume and there's like there's sort of a hyper precise
thing going on in San Francisco where they can like they don't
have to open it up like ever because they're too good.
But like maybe that breaks down in certain games and you have a
guy. Anyone who can do that is
absolute filthy talent. Like that is someone I want to.
It's true. You.
Know. I I think.
It is it, it is a good though like best ball versus managed
conversation. And I think you can talk about
it with Kittle too. But obviously the positional
stuff I think pushes Kittle to be the preferred pick.
But like I could see IU, you know, similar to last year being
kind of a headache of knowing when to start because you are
playing that carousel element for sure.
Yeah, I definitely can see that. I mean he gets like, you know,
he might get like 5 targets in a game.
Yeah, like a fair. Amount a third of his games.
Yeah, it. Gets it.
It's frustrating. It can be.
It can be pretty frustrating. Sean, have you had in any of
your mains? Have you had two tight ends
through 4 rounds in any of them? No, because there's there's
another guy. We're about to have three
through 5. He's had he had two through five
or two through 6. There's a lot of reason to
believe IU benefits from what the other guys forced the
defense to account for. He just wouldn't be the same
player now. He'd still be a very good
player, but you make that change this late in the year.
I think that would be, you know, again a concern when you're
talking about in a range where there are.
Other good names? I mean Debo should have always
been going ahead of him. Debo has more paths to fantasy
scoring and fantasy success, and George Kittle is probably the
most talented tight end in the NFL.
And so I think you're making a stronger talent bet on the other
two players. But, and that's not like any
kind of big criticism of IU because again, you don't put up
those numbers unless you're also very, very good.
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if I believe that.
I I think if anything, IU probably opens up stuff for the
other guys a little bit more than they open up stuff for him.
He's. He's the.
He's the really, really good route runner.
You know, if you look at like who can actually win downfield,
Ayuk is your best bet there. So I think he creates for
himself the most of that big three.
I think that he. Benefits from the same thing
that the Packers receivers that we wouldn't put in the same
conversation benefit from which is the ability of the coach to
get the guy open. And then you've got to there's
just Samuel and Kittle are such extraordinarily unique talents
that if you don't account for them and again, as you're
pointing out, there's a huge value to that receiver who can
actually get open down the field.
Lots more guys you can just get the ball to and, and ask them to
run. But the problem is that most
guys when you get the ball to them and ask them to run, they
can't do anything like what Kittle and Samuel do.
So it it works both I. Agree.
I agree, but I think that you know there's a reason why Kittle
disappears for games on end because it's like.
What it what? Is the sustaining element of the
offense that kind of keeps the defense on their heels.
It's the ability to win downfield, attack downfield.
I think if we get a. Healthy season from Kittle,
which may never happen. You're just going to see, I
mean, he's very much in the mix to be the overall tight end one.
He's got the talent for it, for sure.
He's got the talent and could have the offensive environment.
It's like we know. I mean, is he the only tight end
with contingent value? Like he he really does have
contingent value other than maybe Isaiah Likely Kittle.
Yeah, when when it funnels to him, he he soaks up that extra
volume and with no issues I would say.
Pat, if Troutman and Kroll get hurt, Greg Dulcich could happen.
Yeah, Greg Dulcich has. To debate too, there's a late
note today, Michael. Mayer.
Hate to say. It.
But yeah. That's so since we took Kittle
Ingram came off the board, Rashad White, Ayuke does go at
47, James Cook is a Flowers, Josh Allen's our first
quarterback off the board at 4:10, DJ Moore.
And then the turn from the one hole goes David Najoku and Hurts
into the middle of the 5th. A4 wide receiver start took Josh
Jacobs. Rashi Rice, who we were taking a
look at there for a second, went at 5 three and then T Higgins
comes off the board at 5 four. Yeah, Rice going's a bummer, but
we knew. We knew that would happen.
Yeah, yeah, definitely want to get some exposure to him now we
have missed. In all the drafts.
So far, yeah. Sean wanted to take him in ours.
I wanted to take Kittle at 4:10. Thought we could pass him around
to five O 3. He went at 4:12.
I want to say it's annoying this guy at five O 3 gets him.
What the hell? Yeah, I mean he.
Is at least on on underdog. He has just been on a rocket
ship. ADP wise, yeah.
Early 4th now. He's a moved in this he went at
four O 1 in one of my two previous ones.
Yeah, I moved him up today because we had kind of the ADP
still pulling him down actually. And I was just like this.
I'm not seeing him. I was doing a bunch of puppies
just multi tabling and like I was getting 0 rice.
Yeah. So I'm, I'm, I'm just going to
start taking the early 4th. I'm sick of it.
Just sick of not getting him. I was at like 25% rice at one
point. Now I'm like probably 15.
I just the the rise has been so dramatic.
Yeah, Kenneth. Walker or so after Higgins
Mahomes goes unstacked to the five hole, Kenneth Walker and
then Kamara and then we are on deck here.
The Jefferson Puka Neighbors Ingram team is on the clock.
And. Four Greece in the chat asking
the hard hitting questions. Are any of you picking Diami
Brown now? We're not to that portion of the
show. I did my.
I did my diama here. That's the one of the gun you.
You've done your. Service I I took Diaby.
Brown with Ray G on best ball breakfast before the trade.
We were looking like the the Oracles.
All right, we are on the clock here.
I love. Two of the wide receivers in the
queue. I only need 20.
I see two I like. I like tank.
Tank would be my bet. I love tank.
I think we can. Get them both if we go that way.
Let's go tank, yeah? Antos. 1:00 and 2:00.
So we start. Garrett Wilson, Trey McBride,
Jalen Waddle, George Kittle and Tank Dell it.
Is another. Like weird quirk, right?
Of like just thinking of how the wide receivers are clustered on
underdog here. I mean, so many wide receivers,
I guess not a ton. What, 3/4 of them go after go or
sorry go. Yeah, go after tank on underdog,
but he's sliding here. Higgins Rice, I guess Diggs and
him are close, goes after him there's.
Like an element of, you know, with tank Del, I think you're
going to have to ride out some disappointing weeks.
But like, I think the highs with him could be so high that
there's it's not like you're going to miss the spike weeks
because you'll just you'll just start him.
You know, he's if he breaks out like I think he can like you
just have to you just have to roll with it.
And in this is our third receiver.
He fits that really nicely. Like we for starting him.
Yeah, Amari. Terry, come off the board.
Sean, where, where are you at on tank these days?
I like him. I don't get a lot just because
it can be a little tricky structurally.
I do like digs, but I mean the argument for all three guys is
so strong that I think you have to look at it from a full team
perspective and say. I mean.
You need to get all of them. You need to expect them to be
incredibly dynamic. Dell is the guy who is going to
need the least amount of actual work to score points.
So it works perfectly because he's probably going to get the
least amount of work. But if he didn't?
He would. Score so many points.
You're talking about him in round one next year.
So I mean, he he shouldn't be here.
I don't know that there are a ton of receivers that went ahead
of him that I would necessarily say like you have to take him
over that guy. There are players of their
positions. I think you have to take that,
take me a little bit. You're not taking Camaro over.
The other thing too. Like you think you talk about
the Sprint. Oh wow, Brock Bowers goes.
Which means I think we're for sure taking Xavier.
That makes them very. Easy I.
Think Xavier. Worthy.
Yeah. Yeah.
The the the plus side is we get Xavier worthy.
The downside is you guys don't get to watch me pretend to get
shot right as Xavier. Do you want to play the?
David, you want to play the Davis clip for the people?
I don't have it. In I don't even have it in here
I should have. That would be great, but I if.
I said we're going to get them both when I when we were like
clicking on Tank Dell and then I was watching the next couple of
pixby receivers. I'm just praying, panicking.
And then names like Terry Maclaurin, George Pickens and
Christian Kirk went and it's like, well, I'm wrong all the
time. Those three guys will probably
score more points, but if one of the that foursome scores like
gains 400 more yards and scores 75 more fantasy points than the
rest of the group, it's going to be savior worthy.
Now Sean, when we did best ball breakfast on Monday, you were
fudding Xavier Worthy. You're telling me he made all
these mistakes and that we need to just chill out on him?
Are we back to being in on? Savior worthy?
Well. Maybe that made the one.
That's why we got it. To get.
Here I titled the show 5 Reasons to be Cautious about Savior
Worthy. That's not.
The the Internet for Google to try.
And push through, do you? Do you think there's anything to
the idea that Worthy is actually worse than Best Ball in the
sense that obviously, you know, he's got this downfield profile,
so that makes no sense, but. Like.
It's kind of potentially quite binary, like either this guy's
like this. Pretty.
Overpriced kind of spike week dude.
Or he is, he's the dude. And if he's the dude like you
should just the the potential that he could be that guy makes
him worth such a, you know, that big swing worth it in the sixth
in a way where, you know, the the lack of production risk that
you're taking on a baseball kind of hurts your your portfolio a
little bit more. Yeah, I think some of these
guys, Jake Bose had a great article out.
I know there's obviously plenty of other great research out
about zero percentage and how much that crushes you and so.
If you. Think that there is that risk,
then you want to, you know, at least be aware of your exposures
when you're drafting a basketball team on this roster
here I. Mean if you shot Dante.
Was going to be. There's not zero risk and Xavier
worthy. I was like.
If you think there's that risk is is doing a lot of work there.
He was like, what? What is the premise?
Of the question, the premise. Is I guess so I, I just wrote
this article on rookie receivers and it's like, I actually wonder
if we're we are pricing up. Here's what I I came away with
the thinking that we're sacrificing something in best
ball with the rookies. The way they are priced now, it
doesn't necessarily mean they're bad picks, but they're probably
going to hurt. They're more like elite tight
ends, right where they're like you're betting that these guys
are such studs down the stretch that you really want them in the
play offs, but they probably hurt your advance rates at these
prices. The the guys going in like, you
know, the top seven rounds. I agree with that, yeah.
So that's. Kind of, I mean.
I've been trying to get a little bit of Marvin Harrison because I
mean, I watch all the games, but you know, living here in
Arizona, I mean, I think he's going to be awesome.
I don't want to be every week watching and thinking like,
don't like, don't throw it to Harrison.
Don't throw it to Harrison. That'd be a horrible way to have
the season go. But his price makes absolutely
no sense. He should probably be going
after Malik Neighbors. This is going to sound ludicrous
because I mean ADP is does understand a lot of information
obviously, but I guess I don't think I.
Don't think he's going to. House score, Xavier worthy by
that much. And so if you believe that, I
mean, Xavier worthy I think can still smash.
I mean the other guys, you have a lot of risk, but with
neighbors and Harrison, they've got a score right from the
beginning. We kind of think that they will,
but yeah, those prices, those guys.
I mean they. They're not great picks.
So this. You're not in our.
Neighbors. No, I am.
I mean, I think even that one round is a difference.
I think the reason that Harrison goes where he goes is because
it's kind of this stealth, really soft part of the draft
and. By stealth, do you mean the
everyone's complained about it for three months?
Yeah. Well, the whole 2nd.
Round is very flat. That's the rule of of content
this year. How about?
This. Oh, go ahead.
No, go, go ahead. Pee.
Oh no, I I I was going to say take away the take a peek angle.
What is our starting? Our starting.
Lineup. With what we have so far, who's
the odd man out? I think in week.
One, it's maybe worthy, but. But I mean we have to take a
peek angle. I know when I said.
Take that off the table I want. I don't want that.
Part. Exercise.
Would be worthy I think in week 1.
Yeah, in Week 1. Yeah, Sean, like it would be.
Waddle Sean's like. You're damn right.
Like take a. Peek.
Shell's like we got to see. How Aaron Rodgers looks Garrett
Wilson before we get by. Garrett Wilson over.
To you, Yeah, the someone in the Chapman wattle.
Is going to, you know, be injured on the 1st 5 plays and
so I'd like him to play a while and show that he's going to play
last. Year Sean, people know Sean and
I had a team that finished really high in the tournament in
week 16. We had Waddle and and I think
Tyreke was out or or banged up and he had a long catch early in
the game. And Waddle was our like low
owned leverage piece near the top of this of the main event of
this tournament and he didn't do anything after that catch.
And Sean has not stopped talking about it.
He's brought. It up like for every month.
Since we've we've. Since.
But listen, I like. Noel was never going to get
proof for that either. Like every game he and he'll
come to the sideline and act like they're out and then they
go back in and it's just it's great that they go back in, but
it is a heart racing experience. It is tricky.
I was going to point out someone in the chat mentioned that Team
10 is literally called Brock and roll something.
So the Brock Bowers pick, we maybe should have seen that
slightly more. Yeah, that's.
That was coming. In hindsight, it's a good thing.
We didn't build the team around getting Brock Bowers on the
sixth, Yeah. All right, since we took Xavier,
we saw Lamar Jackson go Ridley, Godwin, Friarmouth in the sixth
round here, Jane Reid, Deontay Johnson, Roma Dunze, Keenan
Allen, Hollywood Brown, David Montgomery, Javonte Williams and
Anthony Richardson as we enter the middle of the 7th here.
The funniest part of that Waddle story is that every time the
chat's talking about it, but every time Sean would bring it
up, I'd be like Week 17 because we're still in good position.
Week 17, but you were like acutely aware that if we would
have gotten more out of waddle than week 16, we could have been
in really good position, we could have been leaning it in
week 17, which would have been. Would have been nice, yes.
They he's going to snipe us on Brock birdie now too.
For the full Brock and Roll correlation, I.
Do love that. All right, so Godder goes to the
Friar Muth drafter, catching up at tight end, then James Connor
comes off the board. Two more picks and we are up
here. I.
Love this goblin of the chat. At first glance, looks like a
wide receiver room with a combined weight of 400 lbs.
Who's the big? Receiver, is it?
Is it Wilson or is it? Waddle, our biggest, I think
it's. Waddle the.
Biggest What was the? Take no pun intended, we used to
be. We used to be a.
Team big receiver on Monday. Pete.
I know we. Drafted I called it.
Like the slim Reaper team. It had Devante Smith on it too.
Just all the skinny slender dudes JSN goes.
Do you guys? Want to lock up the stack the
the digs Drafter is behind us and would have two cracks at we
have Stroud. We have McBride as well.
Mm hmm, so that's another stack. What do you like, Sean?
Well, I don't necessarily think we have to take either of them,
but certainly losing JSN is kind of a heartbreaker there.
I mean my. Argument on Dell and the rest of
those guys I. Think Stroud.
Is going to have an extraordinary season and and
Tank and him together, probably better than McBride and Kyler
together in terms of what you would actually want them to do
during the race. Like in the Sprint, Yeah,
wanting a little more rushing from Kyler.
I'm down for Stroud. I, I mean, I, I would.
Is this our first Stroud? No, we took, we took Stroud
over. JSN against your recommendation
and Dave has talked about the rest of the stream.
Didn't like that and now we don't get JSN here.
It's different. I was going to say it's
different than that decision because in that one we pushed
JSN. It did bite us a little in this
one. I mean, the other guys in our
queue are running backs, but there's like seven other running
backs that we could take. I, I think JSN was kind of the
last receiver in this group. And so if we're going to go
running back anyway, it's like, why would we even, I mean, same
thing you're saying, Pat, about the Kyler thing, but I don't
think there was, it was flat elsewhere is I guess the point
that I would have driven home. Yeah, yeah, that.
JSN pick is a bummer. It was a brutal.
Brutal pick there, yeah. Aaron Jones, DeAndre Swift come
off the board. So you guys think?
In running back here. We could I.
Mean, I like these receiver this next group receivers a lot more
than you guys, I think. I think they're.
Viable for sure. I just, I mean, I guess you you
probably have them with JSN. You do that as well.
Yeah. I mean, I'm, I don't know, I.
I only get like 13%. I guess I'm not as high, but I
would I'm like 13%. Like, yeah, I'm, I'm taking
plenty, but yeah, I just think these guys are in the same tier
as him. That's like I'm.
Not accurate on it if that's the.
I haven't lost my mind. Yeah.
It's, it's one of those weird trippy things where it's like,
yes, it does feel like the start of the running back tier, but
we, I mean they are going to get vacuumed up over the next 20
picks too. Yeah, my.
Favorite receiver pick won't come back, but this is a really
strong range for running backs and I think they're just going
to all get compressed into that same spot and none of them will
come back. Yeah, that's what.
I've. I wonder.
Sean put it in the private chat who your favorite receiver pick
would be. If if you don't mind, I think I
Oh no. Is he in the queue?
You. Could put him in.
The queue. Yeah, let's put him.
In the queue. So, Kyler.
Does go. At the.
Turn, they grab Christian Watson, the DeAndre Swift
drafter grabs Romandre and we are on deck.
Naji goes. So anyone we want here?
I would. Yeah, I would be with Sean on
the OR Sean's receiver. I think you're leaning running
back, but I would. That would be my pick too.
Yeah, that would be my preference as far as the running
backs go. I think.
I'm still Warren here. If we're not going Warren, we
could go with the other injured guy, but I'm not the guy at the
top of the. I don't know.
I mean, I guess as far as like a talent level bet, I just have
such less faith in him I would be.
Most hurt of brown that running back and I'm Mcconkey over Brian
Thomas, so I I'm in I would be I.
Would take Mcconkey over those two running backs.
Sean's gonna have. To click because we don't have a
consensus. I'm Brown, who do.
You. Who do you like?
Pete Chase Brown. Let's do.
Chase, I, I, he'd be right up there for me too.
Sean's down to the top of the queue.
It sounds like Pat's the only one that's out on him.
Yeah, I don't think he's like he, yeah.
I don't know. It just feels like I flipped
all. I flipped all four of them
through as everybody was talking and we got back to the two brown
boats. I would have pushed harder for
him, except I do already have a lot.
I think that, I think that all of the, I mean all of the picks
there are really strong. Yeah, that's the.
Problem it's like when you're not going to be able, you're
only going to be able to get one of those dudes.
Pat, what's? What's the like when we last
talked about Brown, I, I, I, I believe it was you or maybe it
was someone else. So correct me if I'm wrong.
Maybe it was when I was talking to Jacob, but the argument was
that he's not a good runner. And I've, I've heard this a
couple of times. And I mean, I just kind of want
to push back on that. The guy was like a a workhorse
at Illinois and in the Big 10 against some good run defenses
in like November in the Midwest, he had 25 plus touches in a
dozen games and he was running. He got 120 total yards in every
single one of those games. In college, like every time he
got big work he got he showed an ability to get 120 plus.
I don't understand how you could do that if you can't hit read
holes. It's just.
Like I I mean I. Don't, I'm not, I don't.
This isn't a film evaluation. I don't know.
I I have seen him bounce stuff to the outside and it does look
like not great to me but. It's.
Like a pre season run that's not really where what's driving.
I mean, like, I'm so I wasn't in on brown enough when he was
cheap, which was a mistake. And I made an effort to correct
that at prices that works more similar to like Brian Robinson
pretty aggressively. Like when he was in the, you
know, around pick 100, I was hammering him to make sure that
I never had to do this. It's kind of like what I, you
know, I basically don't, I don't want to chase him up to where
I'm really having to bet on him as a talent because he was a day
three guy in my stuff. He came out as like a third
round rookie pick type of prospect.
Yeah, he he was he was used I think in one season pretty
heavily. Not very efficient, kind of a
chunk, an undersized chunk play runner, which is always a bit of
a concerning archetype. Not really like a big receiving
efficiency guy, although he's versatile.
So you could see him be used in kind of a chiriny way, but you
know, like J JS model. He he didn't come out all that
great in and then his year two stuff, he you know, it was not
promising because he was used like not at all as a rookie,
which is, you know, not a great sign.
So a lot of these guys we see we see them even if they're day
three guys, the guys that we get excited about, they come in and
they really flash over, you know, a bigger than expected
sample and if you show me that I'm down, But he didn't he
didn't really do that. He he had a few nice plays.
So he's just like a a guy that I would want a couple rounds
cheaper than this is all. I think it's a good.
Take, I mean he's a day three guy didn't really play much in
his first year. I think the context of like Zach
Moss only being a two year like $8 million, four million per
year guy with three million guaranteed matters and the up
the. Upsides there, like I think he's
like a great I I was really kicking myself for not hammering
him when he was like at 125 like that, but I think the best.
Ball, I think the the market stuff is more best.
Ball Brain Pat. I mean, we're in a main event.
All of these guys are going to be gone by the next time, I
think. Jalen Warren's one of the best
running backs in the league. Like I, I think he's one of the
best running backs in the league.
He's shown that. And he's got a hamstring injury
that's going to keep him out for a week or two.
So what like I, I just, when we gets up to this price, I think
we're just applying a lot of hope to a situation.
The fact that he's on the Bengals and the fact that the
depth chart is open, but I don't have the confidence in the
talent profile to justify this price.
Yeah, I think. There's a lot.
I mean, I don't think Jalen Warren is going to need a Naji
injury to be able to fully take over that backfield in a way
that isn't going to be the case for Chase Brown.
To fully take it over, that's and I think it's a.
Way more valuable backfield. I mean the Bengals backfield.
And on A0RB team, we we really don't want to take a zero the
first week or two from our RB1. I mean, we'll.
Suck if P Ryan lands there. I I believe Sean and Blair had a
team where they they scored twenty points for Malcolm Brown
in the in the week 1. So we we can, yeah.
But if you're breaking ties with it a.
Tier, but I don't. That's I guess what.
I'm saying is I don't think Chase Brown is in this tier, but
if you're going. To play the market based
element, then it with the chase brown angle, then you should
play it the other way and know that you're getting cheaper
prices on Jalen Warren right now.
In a. Managed situation where I really
want to emphasize betting on the talent as opposed to getting,
you know, slightly better prices or slightly worse prices.
I really feel that these two talent profiles are not similar.
One is very strong and 1:00 is pretty much a question complete.
It's incomplete. Way too confident that he's bad.
I'm not, I'm I don't think he's bad, you said the talent
profile. Is different, but we don't know
it's incomplete. We don't know the gap.
My argument would be that Chase Brown could be good.
That would be the argument. Like the the comp would be Miles
Gaskin, for example, who was a workhorse in college, was a day
three pick, didn't play it all in year one and then year two
was a stud for Miami and was a great fantasy football pick.
There are there. Are just an all time flyer, but
like we, we're taking a a flyer profile and we're elevating it.
So Blair had a really good piece before last year's draft where
he talked a lot about the situation there at Illinois and
work through how Chase Brown compared to other backs that
they had some of the blocking numbers for them.
And it wasn't something where it's like we should ignore the
efficiency profile because you would like someone who's going
to be a star at the NFL level to do more than he did.
At the same time, you've got a workhorse which is very
meaningful. You've got a £210 back who has
elite speed. And I mean a lot of.
The guys that are getting drafted in this general area,
you know don't or some of the guys.
Who are and? Again, it's a depending on where
you see the tears breaking, they don't even necessarily have that
successful like heavy workload season.
The other thing is I I don't think that we could ignore when
the guy has the workload and he has the speed, the reviews in
terms of how he's improved in certain elements of the craft
over the offseason. I think if you're talking about
somebody who's not athletic and has never carried the ball and
you're getting a bunch of puff pieces saying this guy has
improved in some key ways. You're like, yeah, I'm improved
from not being anywhere near the NFL to probably still being like
at the edge of the NFL. For me, with Brown, it's a
little bit different. You.
And I, I, I feel at the the Gaskin point and you said as all
time flyer it was, but I, I will note there's several other day
threes in recent years that did this after not doing much in
year one. We got it from Kyron last year.
We got it from Jerome Ford last year after the team told us in
the offseason he was their number two, which the team has
told us about. Chase Brown.
We got it a little bit from Ty Chandler last season.
He ended up taking over the back go down the stretch that you're
talking like Chase Brown could be a total zero this year.
And I don't think that's actually a valid take away from
what their actions are. And I don't think it's a valid
take away. I'm not talking.
Like he could be a total zero. I'm talking about you just you
cited really good 15th to 18th round picks and I agree with
you, but we just took him in the eighth round.
I'm just talking about. How they produced in year two
like the the market's the market, but they all a lot of
them produce. This is a big.
Premium to pay for this profile and we and it came in an
opportunity cost of profiles that we should be a lot more
confident in as far as what their upside is.
I think running back still a pretty opportunity based
position. I guess I the confidence you
have in in the player profile sticking year over year because
that stuff can change quick too. Like I've, I was really
confident Romandre Stevenson was one of the best running backs in
the league last year after his, you know, missed tackles forced
in invasion numbers in the first two years and then he had pretty
bad numbers left. His numbers, his numbers as a
sophomore were actually. Not that great.
So, you know, there was some, we got some red flags in the
breakout season, which is sometimes, I'm not, I'm not
saying it's. Going to.
Be sometimes we get red flags in the breakout season because you
get the efficiency that gives you the opportunity and then you
don't have the efficiency to go with the opportunity and then
it's time to go now. Now would you like to pay more
for this? And then the answer last year on
Ramandre was kind of like, maybe not, you know, I wasn't
hammering Andre last year because the price went up
significantly. Yeah, I.
I, I guess what I'm saying is the way that you're framing your
argument, I think is very fair, but I don't think it's the only
way to frame the argument. And I, I feel like I'm trying to
make like other points and you're like, but this is how it
needs to be framed, needs to be framed about talent.
And this is not like too high to pay for a talent profile.
I want to make bets on talent profiles.
It feels very similar to the Andrews Kincaid discussion we
had as well, where it's like I need to know the player is a
certain level of talent and I understand that's like your
process, but I don't it's not like, but we took Brown
qualifying thing we took. Brown I'm.
Just explaining what I think. I think it wasn't.
It was a pic that really requires a lot of hope because
we don't have a lot of evidence that he's very good.
I was just, I didn't mean like you talked us into not taking
Brown, just you're like saying definitively we can't take a
this type of profile over these types of profile.
Like I just that's a a process based opinion.
That's which is fair. I'm I'm saying.
It's a good process. Oh my God.
God, what one pick? Oh my God.
That's why I was. Tearing that conversation.
On as long as possible, I was like, we just want to not talk
about the next pick because Brian, yeah, that.
Sucks, Sean. What do you What do you see
here? Well, I mean, I like the huge
faller in terms of not that he's falling in the draft, but that
he's like falling off the fantasy Cliff, the fantasy
radar. I don't think that there is a
running back who is draftable in this range, but I'm certainly
open to anyone that people like. I don't really think there's a
running back necessarily draftable at the ten O 4 either.
Well, I see you put. Some Q BS in the queue.
I just can't imagine taking Q BS though.
After Stroud, yeah. That's mostly just to remember
that they're there, track where they go so.
Sean has Jordan Addison in the queue.
Are there any other suggestions here?
I'm fine with Addison, but we need to move quickly.
And try to get Addison on the way back but Sean saying he
doesn't like Singletary there. So I.
Would have probably. Just put the bullet on Devin
Singletary, but. Yeah, the he's the top of the.
Queue. So it's not like anyone was
missing him. If you guys weren't into him,
you weren't into him. I think we can still.
Find a running back. We like coming back here at 10
four. The the.
Teams behind us, I guess it's 5050 on what they need.
Team 12 definitely needs wide receivers, but I think, yeah, I
think there's running back there.
So Sean, like. Would you, I assume Madison was
your was your call there? Yeah, I when you look at what
receivers who do what he did as a rookie and we're fantastic in
college. I mean, you're talking about
somebody who every year is good and now we don't have to worry
so much about the quarterback change mid season.
There's a potential that that lowers the ceiling a little bit
if McCarthy really was going to be a star because Sam Darnold is
not a good football player. And yet the rest of the context
is absolutely fantastic outside of, you know, if you got hit
with a suspension during during the playoffs, during the race,
which does seem. I guess possible, but I mean
this is like the. Timing of it, I think we, we, we
seem to be not out of the woods completely, but it doesn't seem
likely. And so that, you know, that
makes me feel pretty good about taking a guy here who I think
should be going in the sixth round.
What's the latest? On on his health I guess.
I haven't heard anything. Is he expected to be ready week
1? It didn't.
Sound like the injury was meaningful, but any time that
somebody is missing practice right now, the vibes.
Aren't good, John, They're not good.
I've been. Moving Addison down to my rig,
but we didn't, I mean. This is down and down and down
and down though from where he should be.
And this is this is the. Same.
Thomas didn't get there. That that was, that was rough.
Well, that was. That was just the easiest, Yeah.
The, well, teammate I'm going to guess is some combo of a Rotoviz
Stealing Signals Legendary Upside subscriber with the
Neighbor snipe, the JSN snipe, and Brian Thomas snipe.
But maybe not because they took Joe Mixon in your way.
Yeah. I mean, I'm honestly fine to
grab both Moss and and and Chase Brown here.
I know Pat loves Rico. I love Rico.
But I think we should take a bigger swing regardless the
other running back in the in the queue or honestly any of the
other. I just think that we need we
need Chase Brown to to kind of work at this with that pick.
I think so, yeah. I would be Rico, who frankly a
pretty similar bet to to yeah. I think I think Rico would make
sense here. Sean is there.
A potential for I just I like the rookies.
Is there a preference on the rookies I mean?
I I don't have a strong preference, if you wanted to go
with with Wright, I'd Gretsch. Weigh in I would be.
Not Rico, because we've taken him twice and I'm not as
confident than say a name. You don't want to piss Benson?
Yeah. Wright's great.
I I Wright would be.
I I think it's, it's there's a thinness to this play, but
there's also the the element where, I mean, Jalen Wright is
the guy who just wins every single yeah.
Yeah, there is that. Outcome, yeah.
He's much better, I think, than one of the things we had a
variety of of people on OT this spring.
And one of the things they talked about is some of the
things that you read when you read his scattering reports from
the big names where there's concern about the vision at the
second level. The other element, though, is
just that he's basically a Chan with another like 20 lbs.
And so you're talking about a guy who the dolphins are raving
about the violence of his runs. He's got elite explosiveness.
He's so fast. And I'm this other two guys it,
you can't make a pick like this and be like, oh, well, the other
players have gotten hurt in the past.
But there is an element to the specific names ahead of him and
their fragile nature in past seasons that opens it up here.
And already we're getting signals that if there is risk to
the Dolphins runners, it's probably the guys who are more
expensive because Wright is going to touch the ball.
Yeah, I don't. Want to like I I'm certainly not
trying to poke the pair here, but but how is Dowdle?
A profile that isn't. Exactly.
I mean, I know it's cheaper. I'm I'm.
This is a that is. The answer the I guess I just
I'm struggling to understand why the price isn't factoring in.
Like I'm not saying we got, we got all the same.
It's all the same. Range if brown was here.
I would have been like, hell yeah, let's do it.
But the opportunity cost has changed significantly.
We didn't have to pass on Brian Thomas.
We didn't have to pass on Ladd Mcconk.
We didn't have to pass on Jonathan Brooke and Jalen Warren
and Jalen Wright. But yeah, like it is the
opportunity cost. That is my argument.
So when the opportunity cost breaks, couple rounds later,
like let's go, let's swing for the fences.
I would. Make the case that again, I I do
think there are enough pieces with Brown to where it's a very
different talent argument. But but even if it's not, there
is a situation where. So I mean like I guess.
I. Am just so much less convinced
on the college stuff. I mean like his peripherals in
college his breakaway percentage was atrocious and I know he had
like the four four speed but he actually did not profile as an
explosive back. He was a a tackle breaker kind
of chunk play guy. His yards per outrun was 0.99.
That's not like terrible. He ran a lot of routes actually.
So like. Kind of a leave.
The light on for him as an NFL receiver type of profile, but
nothing there that was like a stamp like this guy's going to
be really good as a as a receiver.
And then in addition to him not being explosive in the running
game, you know, I, I don't, I don't prefer that that he wasn't
explosive in the receiving game either.
So in terms of actually like delivering big plays, we didn't
get a lot of that in college, which makes the the argument on
the speed a little thinner to me.
Yeah, and you can't just point to the one run and say it was
the second fastest run, the second fastest time play in the
entire NFL last year because, again, it's just one play.
You need to be breaking more of those types of plays.
And yet, Sean? Argument, not an argument.
You can't just point to this thing.
That was really cool, but. I mean, he gets he's fast as
hell. Like, I'm not saying he's not
fast. He is fast, but we know that
like even at running back, these guys, there's skills that we
want these guys to be right, but there are.
Plenty of workhorse backs Who? Get.
Drafted because the volume is going to be there who are not
fast and so they also don't bring that element in the play.
For me, part of it is structural in that Jordan Addison I think
is a better pick than Lad Mcconkey and Brian Thomas.
I don't I wouldn't have pushed for him ahead of those guys
because I understand what the current context.
Of the entire. Situation is, but if he's going
to potentially come back, I do want to get a running back
there. And I think that the other names
that are in the mix are, you know, Spears and Brooks.
One of he Brooks is a guy that I want to get a lot more of as the
next couple weeks play out. It was maybe a situation where
on the teams where you have Hall and Robinson or when Gibbs gets
back to you, you know, in the early 2 then.
Then I would have. Pushed pretty hard, probably for
for Brooks there. Wait.
Wait, sorry with with what happened.
Well, just. If you end up if you're drafting
on a team where you got that anchor with a brief hog John.
Robinson, or if you're. Drafting a Jim, you're a good
team. Then I think you you've got to
try and get him because he's going to score a lot of points.
No, I like Brooks a lot. I think he's he's a clear
target. But I again, you know, look at
the prospect profile, stuff like Brooks profile is a guy that you
take in kind of the late 1st Chase Brown actually came out of
my stuff as a fourth rounder. He didn't and that's what the
draft capital put in there. But it was a it was a profile
that I didn't love coming in at all.
All right, here's the recap of our team.
Garrett Wilson, Trey McBride, Jalen Waddle, George Kettle,
Tank Del, Xavier Worthy, CJ Stroud, Chase Brown, Jordan
Addison and Jalen Wright. Since we picked Zach Moss,
Eckler and Rico, the running backs off the board.
No tight ends in this round, the wide receivers Curtis Samuel,
Lockett Palmer, Romeo Dobbs and Mike Williams.
I do like the theory of the cause Tyler's saying with the 0
running back team, you need to hit on an outlier player and not
a steady Eddie. So right is a fine play.
I think that's very true. I mean, Sean, you can speak to
this better than I can, but taking that home run swing at at
running back does perfectly fit this build, which we did two of.
I mean, I'm not going to say that that Brown isn't a home run
swing. He is, and so is right.
Yeah, one of the things that. I do like to mention to folks as
well, and not that it always works, but you don't have to
take your first month production first.
You can figure out those plays where you're probably going to
get some, you know, get me across scoring late and take the
guys that you think are going to win you the big money earlier.
And I think it's tempting to think we can only do it in the
other direction where we need those earlier guys to hit.
And then the late plays are completely contingent value.
Every draft is a little bit different in terms of what it
gives you. Most of my favorite plays as we
go through the back half of 2024 drafts are pretty big swings and
not necessarily situations where I'm saying like this guy's going
to definitely score you some points early, don't worry about
it. And in those cases, I actually
am avoiding those players because I think they will stop
scoring. And so that's one of the reasons
I'm not that high on Chuba, even though historically he's been.
I think he's a very good player. I know I.
I've actually struggled with Chuba because I think he's a
good player. I don't really take much of him,
though, because it's just he's just at such risk of of Brooks
kind of eating his lunch down the back half of the season.
The thing that. Sean just said there that was
really interesting to me is a way of thinking about it.
That's like if you have the early production, it's almost
like you're more likely to lose it at some point unless you're
like an elite talent, right? I mean, like there's the injury
risk, but there's also the risk that like you do something wrong
at some point to lose it. I mean, it's not necessarily
what you were saying, Sean, but as you were saying that, it's
kind of how I took it where it's like when some of these guys
that aren't going to produce early, you can kind of play it
for like the other guys will F up and they'll get their chance
down the stretch. Like I mentioned Ty Shannon a
little bit ago, it's not a great example, but it just came to
mind. Like Alexander Madison
struggled. They also acquired Acres, and
Acres also struggled and then got hurt and then Chandler ended
up playing a ton down the stretch.
And it's like it it came at the right time because they let
somebody else fail first. It's almost like a.
You know not. Necessarily intentional, but the
other. Point I want to emphasize, and I
realize, 'cause there's been like a lot of, I want to be
generous, I think comments of people not understanding some
pretty big differences in this tournament relative to what
we've been used to with basketball and stuff.
Let me put this in perspective for you guys. 8th place in this
tournament is one 100th of first place.
I will say that again, 8th place is one 100th of first place.
If there was ever a week 17 or the Sprint is All that Matters
contest, it is this one. It is first or bust in this
thing. So if you're not trying to build
a super team, you should be playing a different contest.
You're breaking. Mine and Sean's heart there a
little bit. We were on. 2nd going into the
final. Sunday last year and finished.
30th and we got a nice gift bag for it.
And. If our kicker hadn't scored
thirty points, we would have fallen much farther than that.
1. Nice thing is a couple of the
nice running back targets have come back around.
It hasn't been as running back heavy as I might have thought
this range would have been. Likely Musgrave Schultz come off
the board. Mr. Brock and Roll isn't able to
complete his Brock stack as Brock pretty goes to the
Christian McCaffrey drafter. The Brock stack.
Yeah, and we. Are on deck here.
Man, that one. Of the Tom's pick sucked.
Yeah. Although, Sean.
You're irrationally high on Jordan Addison, so maybe that
works, Dantavian Wicks goes. Chardonnay is.
The guy we all click a ton. I might be the.
Third guy in the queue for this team I'm.
I'm into that is what I. Was going to recommend and
partly because I like pulling up somebody for the next pick who
would be way ahead of ADP but also wouldn't make it back.
I, I love McLaughlin, yeah. Let's do it.
We'll start on make one. That's great.
Easy. Yeah.
We'll start him every. Week to be honestly, we'll.
Start him every week. Because our other party bags
suck. You're listening to.
That right is I mean. Right's someone I want more of.
Like he's not he. That's a risky pick, obviously,
but like, well, the whole thesis there, it's a high upside pick.
I've made this. Case I made this case to you
guys in one of our slows, one of a call manage slows like I think
and we took, I think we ended up taking right in that one.
But I think the Miami backfield, you guys are making this case
last year, but like it's mispriced.
Overall, they scored 32 touchdowns last year.
Raheem Moser scored 21 TDs and is going in the eighth round.
And if that is not the most obvious value in fantasy, then
what is because HN had 11 touchdowns last year.
Unless you think he's scoring 30, which case he should be a
top five pick with Dijon and Breece.
But if if he's not scoring 30, even if he gets to 20, he's
still of huge value at 2:10. If Moser gets 10 himself, he's a
huge value at 8:00. So I mean, look, the 30 could
come down obviously as well. They score 32, but it could come
down. But my point, my point is like
if Moser does get hurt and eight is not it, I.
Mean and the. We should be taking Moser in
every draft. If we're not taking Jalen Wright
more like right like, then it has to be Jalen Wright.
At stop, Yeah, yeah. Exactly.
Yeah. If you don't get a chain of
Oster, it's got to be right. Like it just kind of has to be
on every team. Yeah, I need to.
I've been trying to take a little more right.
Although at the same time I'm trying to take more McLaughlin
and they're they go right next to reasonably similar.
Yeah, yeah. But I just need to take my right
well. The.
One thing that's. Been I feel like Mclaughlin's
price hasn't really risen after I mean, that week two preseason
game was about as bullish for him as you could get, I feel
like, and I haven't seen people like moving him up much from
there. He's he's such.
Like the, the coaches, you know, like the coaches love him.
He's like been such a hard worker and he's obviously got to
put together the the pass blocking a key thing for him to
get on the field. Who did you wanna pull up, Sean?
So I figured it was yeah, I like.
One of these two guys, whoever the preference would be.
The top two? Guys in the queue, yeah.
The rookies I. I mean, I I love Bucky, but I'm
I'm good with with other with either I'm.
Always drafting Bucky. It's it's kind of absurd.
I'm. I'm into Bucky I there's no
interest in Ty Chandler. I think.
Sean told me the other day he was undraftable.
Sean, you loved. You loved Taichandla?
Last year and even played well. What?
Happened that was an
exaggeration I just there was AI don't so is it is it good to go
there was a really. Good Bucky report today.
Yeah, yeah, we'll go. Bucky here.
Ty would have been a good call. I didn't even see him in the
queue. In in the in he's not in the
queue, but I didn't see him in the.
I mean, that's a guy. You want to talk about, you
know, who could kind of see his role grow over the course of the
year And he's he was, I want to hear this.
Let's let's grill shot on this because I've been still ranking
Ty aggressively, but you don't seem to.
I think he's a good. Pick.
He's very good. But you felt.
Like you had some context. You loved him.
You you liked him last year. I didn't like him that much.
Here's a this is a classic thing.
I I kind of experience you don't know about this, Sean, but I'm
over here just like the hell is going on.
Like I'm like, I don't know about Ty Chandler, like he
didn't really do anything as a rookie.
Sean's in he's hammering him. Then he plays well, good pick.
All right, Sean's right. Well, you know what?
Now a situation's gotten a little bit better.
They're going to give him more work.
His price hasn't really risen. This guy's a such a clear target
and Sean's like he's he's not draftable.
He's. Not on him anymore.
Yeah. You're like, yeah, Sean was
right. I'll give him it.
And then he's like, wait, what? You're not trapped anymore?
No, I'm left. No, I'm.
I'm. What the hell?
What the? Heck's going on.
I was just going. To read this report.
What's going on? What?
I need Sean. To tell us, I think, I think
Pete is going to rescue me from well.
There's so many things we have to get to here.
First of all, someone says I'm loving this bit.
I'm never giving Pat a player he wants.
If you want to go back and watch the tape on who gets their way,
it drafts. Pat has like an 80%.
It's like I'm at like 5%. Gretch is at like 25.
I got, I got to redo my math there and Pat's at like 70.
If you want to go back, there's. Certain drafts where?
I get more of my guys and certain drafts where I don't I,
I don't think there's any doubt that you, you win the, the
fewest, Pete. Well.
Yeah. It's.
Because it works out well. I understand that these guys are
in A tier and you can flip a coin and then someone acts like
they're just got stabbed in the leg if they don't get their guys
shot. If I.
Don't get Jace Brown. I was going to.
Read it though on the on Bucky Irving they were talking about
Liam Cohen and the running game and then the new offensive
coordinator in Tampa and this is Albert Brewery said in the
backfield's gotten a boost 2 with rookie Bucky Irving
bringing a physical one cut and go style of running to what
started. Rashad White and 2nd year man
Sean Tucker have established Irving's looking like he'll play
the position in that scheme a little like Kyron Williams has
for the Rams. The guy who reads and hits seems
fast. So just seemed like some bullish
Nuggets on on how the team's talking about Bucky right now.
That was fantastic. I got to read D Boot OO's Comet.
My favorite part of Sean is how much sense he makes while still
keeping everyone confused. That is your superpare.
I the thesis. On Bucky seems so overwhelming
that I'm extremely scared of it because.
The combination. Of his production and his
peripherals in college and what he has done so far in camp.
I mean, I got I got in trouble on one of Ben's streams where I
suggested that the team was already saying he was the
starter, which is a more optimistic read of what they've
said then probably is justified. There was this.
One in the chat it was like. Where's that report linked the
report and then like DM Ed me and it was like can can you get
Sean to send me that report? And then like later I didn't
respond. Then later DM Ed me that report
doesn't exist like he got. Aggressive about it.
But anyway, I I. Guess.
When it when the thesis is that strong, at some point in the
back of your mind, you're just really scared that he's going to
turn back into like a 180 LB really unathletic guy who fell
in the draft, because those things are also true.
But I don't know. I mean he they're he's so good
and then you watch pre season and I mean he's the most fun
player to watch and you know, I. Part of putting the zero RB
countdown together does factor in the starters, obviously,
because you want a guy that you can beat, and sometimes there
will be injured players or players who are out of fashion
for a moment. That I do still include because
I think they're talented and I think the starter isn't.
I mean, I don't want to get. Into a big thing about Rashad
White because there are some really cool things about Rashad
White and he did do some good pieces as a pure runner both
what the coaches are saying and what the just the stats say now
it's a little apples and oranges so we've seen Rashad White at
the NFL level and we haven't seen Irving but I mean they're
probably not even comparable runners.
And so when you get this difference in price, it's it's
pretty, it's encouraging to the point where you're scared that,
you know, you are missing something that's pretty
meaningful. Yeah.
I've. Actually, I kind of did a thing
recently. I was like, I need to take more
Rashad White because I hadn't really taken any.
And it's like, this guy can catch passes and maybe he's not
as bad as he's been as a runner, and that might be enough, in
part because Bucky Irving, so undersized and pretty bad Pass
protector is another thing that I think is helpful to White as
far as keeping pass passing down roll.
But yeah, I mean, White has been horrendous as a runner in two
seasons, so the bar is pretty low for what Bucky Irving has to
do to earn a role on early downs and.
If you're going to fade Rashad White in every single high
stakes draft, it's probably good to have some some Bucky Irving.
Yeah. Where did he go in this one
fourth round? Yeah.
So even ahead of like mix in. Well ahead, I was kind of hoping
that Kenneth. Walker would slide all the way
to us because he seems he's in that range where it's kind of
tough to take a running back and yet he should be going multiple
rounds earlier. And so you kind of balance those
two things and you're trying to figure out a good team to get
some of him on. And yet I haven't accomplished
it yet. But you're in on.
Cherbournet, right? I am, but that was one of the
ones where I did so there were two, two players that you know
sometimes as you even write. Through.
You know you. Do the write up for the list and
you're working through everything that you have
processed to that point and why you've been drafting him and you
come to the conclusion that maybe you drafted a little bit
too much. I think that Charbonnay was
somebody who people were too high on last year.
It wasn't really supported by what he had done.
And that that was then the disappointment and some of the
disappointment for me with Ty Chandler is just like, I mean,
how much could they really like him when they let Alexander
Madison have that many games in which he was the worst back in
football by a wide margin? Yeah, I, I.
I think you have to get some of both.
I think the Seahawks offense is going to be good, but we have to
also be aware that. Maybe it?
Won't be. I mean, I thought it was going
to be better last year than it was, so I've been trying to.
Figure out who the player was that that Shawn did the thing
that you described Pat. And then as he just started
talking about Alexander Madison, I was like, it was Ty Chandler.
Who's to say fucking guy that Pat was talking about?
Spent like 10 minutes trying to figure it out.
Yeah, I don't I. Don't When did Shawn decide that
Ty Chandler was bad? He was like so in haunt him last
this offseason. Yeah.
On. Single rug pull it's.
Classic Chuba. Win Mooney, Goff, Shahid Judy,
Josh Downs, Ty Chandler, Cole Comet 80 Mitchell.
The chat's going wild. This guy has been This guy's
brutal man, Braylon Allen goes. Every guy.
We mentioned and we want him to come all the way back.
I mean Wix I had thrown in the chat too and he took him this
guy every time. What about?
Another wide receiver here. What about the?
Guy who has this guy in the queue here I just put.
I just put a wide receiver in the queue.
Oh. I got to refresh, it's not
showing up for me. But I like I.
Like both names in the queue, I put the wide receiver and I the
the running back. I think has a little bit later
ADP. The running back is at 1311.
In the last three days, I'd be. I'd be the wide receiver.
Gretsch, you want to break a break a tie.
I don't know if it's. No, I.
Don't want to break a tie at all, I want to both.
OK, I guess the. Producer needs to roll a clip
the. Huskies.
Pork, I think. Is just a smash.
You get the drink, me upside Huskies.
I'm taking a. Lot of pull but I am obviously
trying to set up Drake may stacks.
Just take Drake May. The people.
Thought we were done. They thought it was just Jalen
McMillan. Oh.
No, yeah, sorry. Guys, but I mean guys.
You. Know.
That needed to happen, that's why I couldn't answer.
The problem is the other pick is the one that I thought the team
really needed. I I think we're.
Going to be able to get them both.
What Sean, What is what is Polk's ADP in the past four or
five days? 13-5.
OK, Yeah. Good value there.
Yeah. I didn't think he would come
back. I think the other guy had a
better shot, so we'll see. I, I I.
I like getting another wide receiver in this range, you
know? Wicks went two rounds earlier.
Addison could miss the start of the season.
I, I like building out a little bit more, more wide receiver
depth here. I mean, is are there very many,
there's not very many other attractive wide receivers late?
No for for. Managed.
No, we. Can we can be done yeah it's he
and he and Mitchell I think are and and honestly for managed I
think Polk more than Mitchell do give you some pretty nice upside
yeah I'm. Coming back around on Polk for
managed Dude, I've been moving them up too.
I, I mean, I've been obviously like the talent, you guys know
that, but I've been kind of down on him.
But Pat, you made a good case last week when I was talking
about the there maybe it was, it was on ADP chasing.
I think with Dwayne, it's talking about the like bottom
20% of his routes, top 20% of his routes.
Like he's so, so flash in the top 20%, but is he consistent
all the way through the bottom 20%?
You're like, I don't need him to be an alpha number one.
I just need to be a good #2 and he does like win contested
catches. He does make high efficiency
plays. Like I think he can be a good #2
and in 13th round, like you're looking for the Chase Claypool
hit, you're looking for the, you know that that that hit, right?
Like not a superstar Polk is. Polk is the guy that you get a
trade offer from Sean next year where he's sending you Polk and
you're like, I'm winning this trade so I can't accept it.
He knows something that I, he knows.
He understands something about what's going to happen here that
I don't, don't accept, don't accept those Polk trades.
I honestly think Polk is the type of guy that, you know,
could be very much overdrafted in year two.
You know, he he flashes. My hope is he he flashes year
one. We kind of forget about a
profile that looks somewhat low ceiling.
He's tied to a quarterback we like and then he doesn't he's
not able to take that secondary breakout, you know, where it's
like he now needs to emerge as a superstar in the league and he's
not quite to that level. So, but I, you know, I think we
can still benefit from him at this price, even if he's a #2.
Was the other. Player Videl for everybody that
you guys were talking about with the 1311, yeah, yeah, that's.
Where he's going. OK, Yeah.
Let's do it, that's what. We're we're in on right?
Yeah. OK, I'm.
Fist pumping here, but I just want to make sure that I'm fist
pumping for the right. Reason we didn't.
Actually say it anywhere. I just see him in the queue.
Did we get? Fidel on our first team or not?
Man. If we did, we.
Probably took him a lot higher than this I.
Moved him up so freaking much after that pre season week two.
And I wrote about it and I wrote a whole thing about how I don't
think we respond quick enough in some cases to this, you know, to
to pre season news. But the whole case on Videl was
centered on on an anti fragile bet against JK Dobbins and Gus
Edwards. We didn't need a lot in August,
but I thought he looked incredible in that game.
If you went and watched it all. He had 11 carries, 3 target.
He played late in the game, but like now I actually feel good
about the talent bet as well. But the profile was strong.
Coach speak index has been on and all offseason that Greg
Roman's been talking about the player about the pass blocking,
which was really great. He can do everything.
He's such a good bet now and because of all the flood where
he was like left off a 53 man a week ago, like you should not be
able to get him in the 14th round.
Man. He should be going in the 10th.
Like I honest to God, I think he should be going right by Jalen
Wright. It's too good of a bet.
I don't know if we've gotten. Him yet Pat our first draft.
The running backs were Breece, Charbonnay, Rico Estimate and
Shipley. I think maybe we tried to get
him and he, yeah, I can't remember.
I'll probably. Get him on this team man.
This is a. Great.
It's a great bet at this price. Yeah, it's.
It can still. Miss.
We know these bets can miss, but like the bet is the bet now.
Many of them. Many of them will.
But we know the bet is like, I saw enough in that preseason
game. It's a very film take.
But like, I'm certain that what Harbaugh and Roman are going to
see is going to match that. The announcers saw it.
They were like, oh, he's got a lot of juice.
You know, like they're everyone could see it.
It wasn't like, you know, just biased.
I was telling Sean and I wrote it in my preseason week two
write up. The reason I know that I wasn't
purely biased is there was one player I was like, oh crap, he
looks kind of slow on that play. And then it was Isaiah Spiller.
It wasn't him. I was.
Like way. Slower to hit the line and then
it was like the dance was like, and Isaiah Spiller took the
carry there. I was like, oh God, that's what
it was. Where was Isaiah?
Spiller going that rookie year had to have been like 10th and
11th round of mains. Pretty high, yeah.
Where are you guys at on best ball with him?
Because I still am a little bit nervous.
I think in manage it's like we just we just take him again.
We just go, we go heavy. But in best ball, Fidel, yeah,
you are you still worried at all about the downside?
I've been. Doing a lot of Dobbins and Fidel
picks. I like that.
Together because I'm getting. You're getting him in the last
round now, yeah? Yeah.
If you're at 40%, how many drafts do you have to pass on
him to get back to a reasonable exposure?
Well, you got. To tell us how many drafts
you've done shot to do to crunch that math.
I mean, that's the I did this math.
About Franklin the other night so I could help.
Sean. Loves the profile you talked
about JJ, we love his model. He was when he was on ship
chasing in in April pre draft. He loved he was clicking.
In the big board and he's. Making them all pre draft.
Yeah, he, I mean, people in the weeds love Videl's profile,
which is really nice. And then I mean, they gave him
some real work. They brought him in after three
snaps. Like he didn't start, but they
brought him in right after Jared Patterson played a couple snaps.
I he didn't. Really pop for me, but like I
don't it's like also, you know, anytime a guy's cheap is a
prospect yeah, but he but like I like that he did for other
people and I liked it. There's a there's some
excitement about him and it's like, dude, I mean this is the
situation. It's a price situation combo
where like, what do I need from this guy?
Like very little, very little. Yeah, I guess.
The. Dobbins thing can obviously just
fall apart. Like Dobbins is irrationally
excited about his own abilities. We've seen this in past seasons
where like he was like very confident he was going to come
back and be really healthy about some stuff.
Like Sean, we joked about this, blame him for.
Like a new injury. He's like I I was averaging 7
yards of carry. I could barely walk.
It's like, I don't know what the rest of these football players
are doing. He came out in.
The same tier as Chase Brown for me actually, so it maybe it
wasn't like I was out. They're both day three picks.
What is that is that should that be?
I think this means he's the. Worst running back in this No,
it's. The means I don't want to take
him to the 8th, I want to take him to the 14th.
OK, the. 14th got it. The only thing I can envision
happening with Videl, and I guess this is like the Jalen
Wright thing. It's like you're if the run game
is humming and say like Dobbins and Gus are in like a 5050
split, like you're just not going to ever want to cut him.
Like you're going to have to sit on it.
You know the full year he is going to be the guy where you're
going to almost no matter what happens, you're going to be able
to talk. You say one of those guys get
injured and then the other takes a bigger role and he's in like
the smaller part of the community still got a hold of
them 5050. It's like there's not a lot of
scenarios where you're going to just be like, all right, let's
cut this dude. That's a good.
Point he could be a roster clogger, which.
Honestly, I think. All of our.
Running backs fit that mold. Actually, they're all kind of
committee backs, right? For.
Sure, the information you're going to get on.
Yeah, maybe not. The hope is that he's actually
not a handcuff. If a guy like Jaleel doesn't
have the role that he had in the preseason 2, that's also like,
all right. Yeah, but I I guess I'm just
confident that he will. But then he won't ever be like
we're going to hold him. Also he's he's going.
To be our RB1. Yeah, he's our RB one you guys
want to. Cut our RB1.
So we. Have we're up to five running
backs. We got six wide receivers, 2
tight ends in our quarterback. Obviously our final selections,
two of them will be kicker and defense.
So that leaves us with four more non kicker defense selections.
God, this team is sick. I like it, Pat.
What do you think? About it.
He got Pulk, so now he's happy again.
Could be. Better could be better.
But he's got none of his guys. How do you feel about him?
Break it down, Sean. What?
What direction? Are you leaning here?
We are on the clock now after Khalil Herbert goes.
Yeah, there are a couple of. You know, sort of.
Stashish wide receivers. I don't think we need that.
I have a running back here I really like but I know that Ben
and Pater not as high on him. Who?
Will it? May be Shipley, which I'm.
No, I'm fine with. It take a peek.
Actually with this, we don't know where our RB2 is week one.
I kind of like to take a peek. Element for this roster I'm fine
with. It and I think the.
Other running back up there might come back around too.
Let's take. Shipley here, it's actually.
I was going to suggest him looking at your queue because
there's extreme we get 2 take a take a peek games this year with
these. We've did this on our slow, but
with these extreme 0R BS like I think you can make a case stack
some take a peeks, take take three of them.
You know, like give yourself a, give yourself a week.
Use those. Peaks.
The Scott, are you going to be drafting in Vegas or you draft
online? We are going to be in Vegas.
It'll be a quick trip. Pat Gretsch and I will be out
there with a bunch of the ship chasers Thursdays and Friday
doing a few main event drafts and then one of them is a 5K big
Play Payback that we're doing with Leonie.
And then the rest of our streaming schedule is next
Thursday. It's the Crack Rock draft, 7:00
PM Eastern, same slot is this week.
And then the Tuesday after, that's the Tuesday after Labor
Day. We are doing another 5K Big
Payback draft with Leonie. That one will be streamed.
So yes, two more stream drafts after tonight.
And then what is it? 33 drafts in Vegas guys.
I think 2 mains in the Big Payback.
Yeah, I think three. I think that's right.
And we've mentioned this before, if you guys are out there in
Vegas, we are hosting a party on Friday night.
There is the Friday night game this year.
So after we watch, you know, Will Shipley take a peek on him
in that game in Brazil. We're going to be heading to
Blondie's, which is inside the Planet Hollywood complex.
We'll be having a party there. I think it'll start around 8:30
or 9 whenever that game ends. So if you guys are around in
Vegas, definitely swing by say hi.
We always have a lot of fun. I.
Always get way. Too drunk.
It's fun. One of these.
Years we'll get Sean out here but you know we're like crack
rock we're unsuccessful in in getting these guys out yeah Sean
and. Crack rock, use the same travel
agent. I did appreciate Pete is the
best. He sent me some photos of you
guys last year and it was it was really cool.
So yeah, everybody get out there and join that party.
Yeah, I'm not going. To but everyone else.
John's going to be. Trying to get his Kamani Videl
exposure down that weekend. So he he's going to be busy,
going to have to draft some. Teams if I down you mean?
Taking more Kamani back up I think.
Yeah. Yeah, this is this plan's not.
Working out I'm drafting more teams to get my Videl exposure
down but it keeps going up. All right, we get our no, I
guess our third defense off the board.
I missed Dallas and The Jets and then Baltimore comes off.
We are on the clock. The running back in the queue
does make it back if we want to. I do like that name.
I think I would lean the receiver just as like a just,
you know, home run swing there. But I'm also OK with the running
back. Is there, what do you guys
think? Is there any interest in Bucker?
You want to go. You want to go kicker?
Did another. Another take a peek.
You have a better. Grasp on the AD, PS and stuff
and what can come back. He's already way beyond, which
doesn't necessarily mean anything at this point.
Yeah, I'm sorry. That's not the case.
I was going to. Say.
I was looking at the wrong row. Yeah, I I like both of those
receiver and running back place. Should we?
Take a crack at Legette.
Is that who you want, Pat Legette?
That's that's who I was, yeah. Floating.
I mean, I think he and then in a way, I think Legette is like so
binary, you know, like he's either going to be like good
enough to pass Jonathan Mingo pretty quickly or he's the bust.
So, you know, you bet on that first round draft capital,
athleticism and then you I think you'll know pretty quickly if
he's a hold or not. Yeah, where I mean.
Yeah, 16th round. I know he his ADP is what maybe
even dropped a little bit after his his injury thing.
He's in. He's in 15.
So again, just the last several days.
Yeah, a good price. I do.
Like that angle talking about getting the information, like
with both Polk and Legette, we're going to get a ton of
information. Front.
Loaded and you, you don't, we don't have to wait for anything
to like you got to climb the depth chart or whatever.
It's just like, all right, let's see if you're good.
I guess I'm a little bit skeptical.
Of Polk. And at the same time, I, I guess
I wouldn't say that I think that he is.
I think the Polk has a chance to be one of those guys where it
probably doesn't do anything, but if he does something, it
could be absolutely huge. Yeah, but you're.
Just trying to get me to accept that trade off for next year.
Column. I took him in our current RV
Triflex dynasty startup. We couldn't agree on a player.
And we're like, well, if you can't agree, you just got to
click the third guy, Jayla Polk. So now we're set to to make that
like that trade. We'll see if we can trade what
leads to Pat. Grantor.
Sean expand on the on the pulk take though, what you mean by
that? I just like you think it's a
because I, I feel like I'm actually saying like it has kind
of like a higher floor just cuz we're going to get to see him on
the field and he's going to earn targets right away.
But are you kind of saying you actually think it's way more
boom bust? I do.
In that, I mean, a lot of my thought on him is influenced by
discussions with Ben. I couldn't believe like how Polk
disappeared in games last year when they needed him.
You know, once we actually went through it, that was shocking
For a player that people are as high on, Travis May, who's a
fantastic college football mind is like, I mean, Jayla McMillan
is just way better. There's no comparison between
the guys now. They're different stylistically.
You are looking for different things.
I think in most offenses Polk probably wouldn't be that
interesting to people because he would be blocked by other
receivers. It's.
Similar for me in that I think you need two things to happen
that are probably both a little bit unlikely, but both possible,
which I mean, you need Drake May to be the quarterback and you
need to be good and I don't think that's going to happen,
but it is possible. It's possible that May is so
good and Polk is so good that we're looking at him as being
someone you should have drafted in like round six.
I think if you have the two things hit together, which is
unlikely but very possible, then I mean you've won everything.
And I certainly know that that's a a bet that the PAT has made it
at points and I think it could work out points.
Called drafts every time. Yeah, Yeah.
I mean, it is very much a bet on May in this particular situation
as well as a a profile that's like, you know, I think
interesting, but then gets priced at a big discount to
other profiles that I also think are interesting.
Like, I think Keon Coleman's profile is interesting, not
that, you know, there's some real holes there.
He goes in the 7th and you can get, you know, Jalen Polk in the
11th or 12th or later. So, but yeah, I mean, betting on
May is a core part of what I'm looking to do when I take Polk
because I think May, I mean, I, you know, you guys know how I
feel about May, but but ways to kind of benefit from that upside
in a way where like Polk is also, it's like he doesn't have
to pass some other guys. Like there's just no one there
on the outside. So if he's a competent
professional wide receiver who can hit the ground running, and
I think that is pretty much in line with his profile, then we
we benefit doubly if May is really good.
And Baker has been someone that I thought might end up being a
better play in part because he was basically free.
And yet he's continued to have the same problems that played in
last year, which is he just can't catch.
And if you're going to be a player who's probably is a lower
target volume guy and you're getting open deep, you have to
catch it when they hit you on those passes.
And it it doesn't sound like he's doing it.
So you got a little bit. And it sounds also like he's now
buried behind guys who maybe shouldn't be in the NFL.
And that's that's another pretty big red flag.
Yeah. I think Baker's also tricky
because Bourne will be back at some point and they're going to
play a lot of 12. So you like if unless he can
pass Polk, unless Baker can pass Polk, then it's probably, you
know, Polk and either Bourne or Baker on the outside, assuming
Demario is just sticking to the slot.
So and then maybe, maybe like Demario would get used in 12 on
the outside a little bit too. So I don't know.
It's not I've been pretty disappointed in the training
camp for for Baker, who I who I took a ton of early on.
I I thought just the pat kind of just to bet on the a depth chart
in a profile that was pretty well priced for the upside.
But yeah, it hasn't been, hasn't been great.
Yeah, the. All right, so we have four more
pick or yeah, four more picks and two of them kicker and
defense. One of the the running backs
that was in the queue that I was interested in if we didn't go
wide receiver, there was Jordan Mason who comes off the board
immediately after we pick him and then gain well trades to him
and the other running backs off the board.
Jawan. Johnson in the 17th again.
Yeah, let's just. Zacker, it's over.
Jawan Johnson's criminal It's. Crazy Sean, what do you think
about Jawan Johnson? Converted wide receiver earned
more volume per route the last couple years.
He doesn't really fit the way I like to play.
And yet. The more that I've looked into
him, the more that I'm just like, I wish you were more
expensive so that when I'm wrong, it won't hurt me as much.
What? Did it take?
Because. I I.
Mean he should be going earlier a lot.
Higher. Yeah, I've got a lot of jawan.
My jawan bags are packed. Yeah, I've been.
Taking a bunch too. I was taken before he got hurt.
I wasn't, but when he got really cheap after the injury and then
I was doing some more research, like through the projection.
So it's like this is an obvious play.
Yeah, I. I think it was Davis who was
like the day he got hurt pretty much every leg up sub sub was
like, no, because we were all like hammering this dude and
Davis. I think it was Davis was like,
what did I miss? Like how?
How? Did this many people upset that
Juan Johnson got hurt? We're.
On. The clock Sean, I can confirm
that Harrison Bucker is now an ADP value.
Yeah, that is the. Direction that we should.
Sean gets his. Kicker, I think you talk about a
guy and he comes all the way back.
You got to take him. Those are the rules.
Hey, I mean. Anytime you take a kicker that's
not in one of the last two times, I think it's safe to say
we just. Kicker Chasing It's the show
where we chase the best kickers. The kickers that help you win
championships, the biggest legs, the breaking news.
It's everything you come to love and know.
The time is now for kicker Jason.
Let's get some fucking kickers. That that clip is.
Oddly more appropriate when you specifically click Harrison
Butker too. Right now realize it just a
slight more aggro tone for your your kicker get.
Back in the fucking kitchen, Harrison fucker.
Jesus. Harrison All right.
Team has double tapped Baltimore in Pitt defense so the Beast is
being starved there. We got a couple.
Names in the queue. Would love to hear.
Sean's thoughts on Matt Ariza I I forgot that their putter is
somehow more problematic than their kicker.
What? What are the Chiefs doing?
I forgot. About that he's.
He's their starting putter, yeah.
Really. He's.
He's going to make his NFL debut finally, Although I mean, I said
he's problematic, but wasn't some of that like, I don't know,
I. Don't remember shown to be.
I I don't know, I could even be thinking.
About the wrong person, but it seemed like he was completely
cleared. Completely.
Cleared the San Diego guy. Yeah.
All right. All right.
If that's not right, I apologize.
They're they're saying that in the chat he's fully quitted drop
from the lawsuit wasn't there. I'm disparaging him right now by
even you got to butt. Her contact high all.
Right. What do you?
Guys, think in positionally here, Damien Pierce goes.
We are on deck. I like this.
Receiver that I'm assuming Sean put in the in the but we.
Probably don't. Need a receiver, huh?
I'd be the. Quarterback just for for fun,
just for having fun. Just living life and having fun
the the selling. Point on the receiver too, is
just like, again, get that early information, you know, I feel
like we'll know one way or another, like if he's a bigger
part of their plans this year or not.
Yeah, I honestly the receiver. 'S probably the smarter.
Play good with with Stroud. I guess, yeah.
How long would you want to hold either of these guys?
Not not that long. Oh whoa.
Receiver what? Colbert goes.
Yeah, OK. Well, the field.
Thing's pretty straightforward, too.
If Russell Wilson starts, we just cut, right?
Yeah. Well, let's wait. 1 field
starts, then we. Have a great one, Russell.
Wilson full game before we OK we'll.
We'll wait till we do. That's a good call because
that's going to go bad quick. Plus I don't know if you guys
saw Liam stream where they timed out, they try to take Justin
Fields and then they timed out and took Eli Mitchell when they
already had Jordan Mason. It could really just big time
then with this pick. Are you seeing anything else
here on the board, Sean? I know we had.
We had Tolbert in the queue. No, I and it's just too fun of a
play, right. I mean, this is the top 12
quarterback, yeah. I mean, we are to give the
people an idea of the running backs available by ADP.
You got generic Prince, Eric Gray, Deonte Foreman, Isaac
Guerrendo, who is going to be in a three-way timeshare with Eli
Mitchell and Jordan Mason when CMC goes down, Royce Freeman, AJ
Dylan, Keith Mitchell. Like we're we're digging the
bottom of the barrel here at running back.
Carson Steele our our Fabio Great white hope.
Take a peek. Fantastic.
He got. Steal.
Yeah, I never thought to look him up, man, until you you told
me he's this like white dude with long hair ran a 475.
It's. Just like.
I got a real. Kick out of my reply, but your
tweet was perfect. It was.
It was hilarious. Yeah.
He's apparently he's done well. So this was the equivalent of
the the Bucky Irving's the starter report because I keep
hearing that he was good on GPS stuff, but I can't find any
evidence of any like numbers that were actually like what he
actually ran reported by someone.
I'd be like, OK, this is real. I would like to cause 'cause
someone told me that in Chiefs camp he was running well GPS
stuff. So if you've got that, let me
know. I would I would like to see
that. So you do you guys.
There's a game on right now and someone was in the chat earlier
going Anthony Richardson's 5 for five.
We threw a touchdown to Adam and Mitchell and I'm like, why are
they even playing? I just saw they've played a ton
and I also just saw a highlight where he threw a ball right at a
Bengal defender for a pick six from his own like 10 yard line.
Wait, they're playing the? Bengal, isn't that the same team
that they were scrimmaging with that they were chirping at him
too? You're chirping at him.
Yeah, but Ben, that speeds up the game.
We want that. Gets him back on the field.
To throw Yeah gets him back. On the field, yeah, we want the
interceptions to be so bad they'll pick sixes.
That's a good call. That's fine, I.
Feel like you would, like wanna get looks at different teams.
Like I feel like you wouldn't wanna have your preseason game
against the team you're doing all the interest pod scrimmages
against. Well, I don't think.
You really get a look anyway, 'cause everyone does really
bland stuff in the preseason, yeah.
Well, that was a. Bad pass.
They did the end zone angle. Kylie Cranston ran a curl and he
just. Threw it like.
Maybe he thought he's gonna curl the other way, way too far
inside. The picks.
Since we've taken fields, Tim Patrick, Jutavian Sanders, Luke
McCaffrey, a little bump today, AJ Dillon, Cincinnati, Levis.
Yeah. What is we haven't really
gotten. I mean, not that there was a ton
to talk about, but Sean, any, any takes on fallout from the
Datsun trade to the Eagles or Yeah.
No. No, not really.
I it doesn't seem like it was relevant before or after the IT
just really makes you feel like Jaden Daniels is going to run
the ball every play. That portion portion of it is a
little bit disconcerting. It you feel bad for Datsun, it
doesn't seem like he either becomes.
Someone. Who factors in for them?
So it it's just, it's kind of odd because we know that he came
in with a profile that they shouldn't have taken where they
did, but then he was able to find the end zone a bunch that
first year and since then. Man.
No one doesn't draw a target like Johan Dodson, so I don't
think he's going to draw it behind the guys he's going to be
playing with there. When I was first at Rotor World,
or one of the first years I was at Rotor World, the Raymond
Summerlin and I had like this heated debate the entire
offseason. About.
Johan Dotson versus trailing Burks.
And I feel like half the time I'm in a heated debate like
this, it's about to bus like there's never, it's never like
as clean as like one of them's good and one of them's bad.
It's like, no, they're both going to be horrendous bus.
Those are the. Funnest Why do you think we have
a Darius Leighton Jalen Hyatt bet when it's not going to
matter? They both keep.
The thing about that is that I think they've both lost that job
to each other mutually. Assured distress more than once.
Yeah, they keep. Losing.
It. Does any?
The the queue is empty. We have one more non defensive.
Do you guys have a Darius Slayton?
Jaylen Hyatt bet this year. This year cuz you had a Darius,
Slayton, Wandell, Robinson, Waddell.
Robinson yeah, yeah, in the past, yeah yes, I will continue
to bet against Darius Slayton every year until I win.
Is this is how I? Went that sucked.
Out on the Wandell injury the first time.
You had to do that year though. Slayton was fine.
He was the best. He was the best receiver on the
Giants layer. I see him but can I get?
Waddell, can I get it all this? May I get a three-way bet?
No, no, no. I'm not betting it's Wandell.
No, Wandell is a. Is a better bet.
Sean, you want? Neighbors.
Did just everybody get in on it? Yeah, Sean gets neighbors.
I will play. I will play Sean.
You could take Theo Johnson. Yeah, actually that would be a
fair part of that's fair. I kind of want the, I want the
Theo side, I think, but it's fair.
Gretch can have Bellinger. I'll even take.
Jonathan. Taylor has five touches.
Theo Johnson. What'd you say I'll even take?
Slayton if I don't have to be Theo Johnson.
One other guy. That's how much.
I kind of like Theo Johnson is getting getting run with the
ones. Is it rookie?
All right. He has. 5 touches in this game
What? What?
It's the last preseason game. What are they doing?
Oh, Anthony Richardson, Just fumble.
No one else is playing anyone. There's two games going on right
now. The other three offenses are not
playing anyone who matters. And the Colts are playing their
whole offense at half this. Is weird.
I do like the. Tight end Shawn as in the queue.
Theo Johnson is also available. But a Mayer pick, especially
with our precious Brock Bowers a little banged up right now,
doesn't seem like the worst pick.
That seems OK. It's the I, I, I make the good.
Be good with Carson Steele as well.
He's a take a peek guys, and he's John.
Where are you at? He's a rookie.
Yeah. We've got to the other names
were in there just to give Pat a little bit of a hard time.
Did you? Put Miles Sanders in there to
give me a hard time because he's going to go to Dallas.
Just as he shots trolling. With Rico Tattle, he put Royce
and Miles Sanders in the queue. He said the Cowboys RV one
brother I. Didn't even catch.
You were doing that. Jeez.
So Carson Steele thing I I legitimately thought he was
horrible, but then somebody I saw and somebody else has sent
me that he had like a timed MPH in practice of 20.
Is this going to? Be Agps take again.
Yeah, it. Was, I mean, is there anything
there, Sean, what do you think about him?
He had a lot of production in college.
I think any time that you can make a bet against anybody else
the Chiefs have at running back, you have to.
And again, you have that initial game I.
Obviously the. Chiefs have an embarrassment of
riches and the last thing they need is an actual legitimate NFL
starting running back. But that would be exciting to,
you know, watch someone who when the entire defenses dropped off
and there's no one in the line. Actually.
Ran somewhere, so I don't think Carson Steele is that guy, but.
It I mean. They have set it up now that he
could be maybe the second guy, in which case in the 19th round,
when you don't really care who your defense is, do we have?
So. Even more than.
You saw this, I don't have a. Defensive preference, Yeah, I
saw. This name Crocky J before
Donovan in the in the chat. Donnie Shea here saying that
Steele has a pet alligator named Crocky J.
Does that change your opinion on on Carson Steele?
Is it boosting up my board quite a bit?
Yeah, I do love. The idea of an alligator.
I'm glad he came. Back and should've taken this
part of Justin Field. I.
Also. I do have some Carson's.
I have some. Breaking news about Carson
Steele. He returned kickoff tonight for
a pretty good chunk of yards. I'm watching grainy footage from
the top of Arrowhead Stadium. Looks about 25 yard return.
All right. Defense here, Week 1.
Because are we out of take a peek?
They all went. I see KC and Philly, Green Bay,
Green Bay's. Here.
Yeah, we could. Try to get some Jalen Heart
sacks Green Bay against. Philly.
Who does so? Gretch, Chicago, Seattle.
Miami, since he's gone, since he's.
Gone. I'm trying to look at team who's
playing who. The 49ers are definitely gone.
Bills are gone. Seattle Who does?
Who does Seattle play? Seattle.
Plays. The Browns.
That's a good one. Just bet against Deshaun
Watson's shoulder. Yeah, Saints.
Saints play the Titans at home, so they get.
I think we could put some of those.
Plays in after we know that doesn't score.
No, I'm. Actually, I'm reading you pre
season week 3. None of this is real.
All right, let's do. The Packers, then.
OK, All right, let's take that. Pre season week.
Three. That's correct.
The. Bears.
Play the Titans at home. I.
Could. I could tell you every single
match up basically for week 16 and 17, but I can't call Ben's
bullshit on who plays in week 1. So the Seahawks are at home
against Bo Nicks. I actually don't like that he's
going to throw underneath. He might he might turn the ball
over, but he's kind of not going to like push it down the field
or anything. I don't think he get big errors.
The the the Packers would get to take a peek.
The the Bengals are gone. They get the Patriots if it's
percent, yeah, Bears are at home against the Titans.
That would have been the pick. OK.
I think Will Levis is the guy you want to target, right?
Yeah, unfortunately, I think. Look up the right.
Week. I think it takes this.
Week we're we're going to have cuts on this roster.
So I, I think it's, yeah. Yeah.
But take a peek was a good call. Bears.
Do go there. Here's the team I will.
Give the full or you know what? Let's go over to you know what,
I always like this view here. We got Sean on, we got the road
of his. I like the redraft command
center view for looking at these teams.
A little conditional formatting here.
We got our two quarterbacks, CJ Stroud and Justin Fields.
We got a a grip of our 0 running back targets here, Chase Brown,
Jalen Wright, Julia McLaughlin, Bucky Irving, Kumani Videl, Will
Shipley and of course Carson Steele.
Running back 74. Oh our wide receivers, Garrett
Wilson, Jalen Waddle, Tank Dell, Xavier Worthy, Jordan Addison,
Jalen Polk and Xavier Leggett Got our elite tight ends, Trey
McBride, George Kittle and we got the the manliest man of them
all, Harrison Bucker at kicker. How did we do guys?
I feel I'm happy that we got CJ Stroud and Justin Fields back
together again. They play together.
Wow. Yeah.
Oh wow. That is nice, Paul.
We also got. No, never mind.
I thought we had another team right there.
I get the redress. Oh, is this?
Now that the team's gone, it it went away from me, here we are.
Sean Pat, any any thoughts about this team?
Well, this is. Definitely the way that.
I hope to come. Out Kitty McBride and Kittle
gives us such a trunk card there and so much flexibility and then
you know, having those four early receivers, I really think
that Dell and Worthy are fantastic picks at those prices.
I really like to push the QBs and try and get into that range
where you're sort of staring down the rest of the group and
trying to get Jordan Lauber, Jayden Daniels, but CJ Stroud at
that price with Dell and I, I don't understand the concern
about him being a passing quarterback.
I think he's going to have a historic season.
Maybe it doesn't happen this year, it's going to happen
sometime in the next couple of years.
And then to rip off all of these running back selections, I think
the profiles fit together really nicely too.
I would be surprised if we don't end up as one of the better
running back scorers in this league, and that's after we
waited until Round 8. That's a hot take right there.
One of the. Things that I've been kind of
frustrated about with the draft landscape this year is that you
end up in these basketball drafts with like, you kind of
staring down like Aaron Jones and Romandre Stevenson and Naji
Harris and these dudes who like you probably should take because
they have like, volume. But I want to build more teams
like this where you're like, I'm just taking home run swings at
running back and you're pushing it a little bit further.
And this is, you know, the difference between managing best
ball to a degree. Like we we're going to cobble
stuff together and we're going to we're going to have clear cut
guys that we can start from this running back group by the end.
And they're going to score a lot of points once we know who they
are. Yeah.
Yeah, it's it's, it's harder to pull off in best of all because
it's just you. You need your.
Roster spots to all do stuff and here we can just we're churning.
We're going to turn a bunch of these dudes out.
Yep, Gretch, Thoughts on this team I.
Mean, I love it too. I think it, I mean, I, I think
you read my, my e-mail. I, I mentioned Wilson, but you
might have left out because we hadn't picked yet that I, I
believe I also mentioned McBride as before we had.
Picked. I wasn't.
So I. I3 weeks ago, was hoping that we
would start Garrett Wilson, Trey McBride.
So certainly I can't complain that that ended up happening.
Yeah. I mean, I, I, I think it's a
great team. The Stroud thing Sean was
talking about, I'm writing my my QB targets stuff and was trying
to make that my my tears article.
I was trying to make that case and articulate it.
And the way that I wrote it was like, I know a lot of the people
that are worried about the drop back passer stuff they talk
about like Joe Burrow and Justin Herbert and some of these guys
that we propped up after an initial good season.
And I think the bet on Stroud is just that he's going to prove
that he's better than them, that you're essentially saying that
after the season he's going to be a clear cut top two
quarterback in the NFL. Obviously Mahomes is going to be
in that conversation too, but Mike Stroud's going to be in the
MVP conversation. Stroud.
And I understand people don't want to make that bet, but I, I
think it's very fair to basically say this guy's on a
Hall of Fame trajectory right now.
Like that's what we saw last year.
That's what I saw in the preseason.
This guy's so freaking good at football.
He's so incredibly good. So I love that our team has him
and has Tank dealt with him and has other really good players
too. Like it's, it's, it's, it's a
fun team. I.
I legit, I, I, I'm kind of, I'm kind of jacked up for this team,
partly because it felt like zero RB went so mainstream that it
was almost like impossible to get people's feathers ruffled in
the way we used to. Like we would do a team like
this and everyone would be apocalyptic.
And then you see teams win zero RB at the main event, they win
the regular season and underdog and everyone's like, OK, yeah,
we get it. But then to get comments like
the these running backs are wild.
Who's starting week one? I'm like, this feels so good to
be back to something feeling contrarian.
Cause for a while it was like the golden age of 0 RB is, is
dead. Everyone realized that it's
optimal in these top heavy tournaments.
So it just feels good to be back to to not doing what is
considered mainstream guys. And we've got it set up for Will
Shipley, Carson Steele, Week 1. So yeah.
Right. Yeah, your week 1.
Starter doesn't have to come from the top.
Sean what? Was the team with you and Blair?
What was it? Was it two years ago you guys
took your first running back? It?
Was it in the 13th round you took Naheem Hines?
Yeah. So our first running back was in
round 11 and then we missed on every running back pick and then
we finished 31st. And that was.
That was 2020, I think, because it was the year I had a team up
there as well and you had that was the Alva Kamara year, which
is the thing that blocked you off for all.
So you had a legit chance to win it basically if it if it like
Kamara didn't have to be the guy, but you had Mckissick and
Heinz just two like pass catching backs back when the.
Pass catching backs were a thing.
I feel like Julio. McLaughlin is like a throwback.
Yeah, yeah, we've had a few. Years where that hasn't been a
profile. We tried it with Gainwell and it
like didn't work out, no. Yeah, that's true.
Like Mckissick and Heinz, like we really, we haven't had guys
like that since. Just PPR scams basically by the
way I was. Going to say on McLaughlin, he
has gotten such rave reviews for his work ethic from like
everyone on the Broncos that he he then said that Troy Franklin
was a really hard worker and it made me be like, maybe there's
hope. Don't tell me that maybe there's
hope. If.
If McLaughlin thinks this dude is a hard worker, he must be a
hard worker, saying. That to me right now is, you
know, trying to offer a guy who's, you know, at rehab right
now, just like a a nice cocktail.
It's like just just don't bring. The edge off.
Let's see, anything else for you guys here?
What he got on tap scratch over on stealing signals.
I'm doing the different positional targets and fades
written up the different tiers this week.
Wide receiver went out yesterday, tight end this
morning, Q BS almost done. It's going to go out tonight,
running back tomorrow morning. So those will all be out for
drafts this weekend. Also doing like a top 75,
getting the rankings fresh updated.
Sean and I did a main event that's on the Stealing Banana
stream and are probably going to do another one later this week
or we were talking through that potentially for some more
content on the Stealing Bananas feed.
So make sure to check that out. The YouTube channel, Stealing
Stables YouTube channel, go subscribe to that.
Trying to get to subscriber milestone, working on that.
Might do a little bit of a stream on Sunday there.
So we'll see. Nice.
Make sure you guys are subscribed to that.
We got the links down below to all of that stuff for stealing
signals. Sean, obviously we talked about
the zero RB countdown list. What else should people keep an
eye out for over on Rotavis? Yeah, I'm gonna.
Do the priority targets again, probably have a look at the a
new zero RB prep kit. If you want to look at the rest
of the players, there'll be priority targets also for a wide
variety of formats. I believe that Blair was
actually on with Pat earlier today, but Blair Andrews has
been just absolutely on fire. He's doing a wonderful job.
I'm an enthusiast and so you can't believe me on these
things, but I do think that we're having our best August
ever in terms of content. I've been blown away by what the
other folks are doing, so it's been a lot of fun.
I agree. Completely, I mean, even like
the the Blair series on the breakout profiles both on wide
receivers and then just had the one on running backs.
Michael Dubner refreshed some of the running back or sorry, the
the rookie data and kind of looking.
I remember it was way back when Jack Miller and everyone had
looked at the like how rookie production ages as the season
progresses relative to veterans. And Dubner updated that entire
study with with new things and also segmented it within like
ADP tiers and cohorts to know like in which spots do you
actually get more value from those young guys?
So highly recommend. It'll blow you.
Away. If you're not enough of a
gunslinger, you'll get even more aggressive.
You'll start taking Jalen Wright as you're you're running back
too after reading that article. And yeah, Pat, I got to check
out that article or the podcast with Blair.
What else you got on Leg Up I? Actually had an.
Article on rookie wide receivers as well.
So I got to check out Dubner's updated piece, but I was
updating research that I did from 20/21, the same year Jack
had his article out where I was highlighting the fact that
rookie wide receivers. Especially in.
The late rounds like we're able to find efficiency that you
aren't really finding from even veteran hits.
So like we're getting and Puka obviously was like an absurd
example. I actually broke it out with
Puka in the chart and not in the chart because he skews the late
round so much. But the idea of like we're
getting a chance to get guys where we don't know if they're
good. But I talked through a little
bit like the fact that we don't know that they're good might be
a problem as they get more expensive and kind of thinking
through that a little bit. But I ultimately in a profiling
all the running backs who are all the wide receivers who are
still going in the double digit rounds did did little mini
profiles on how I'm tackling each of those guys.
And yeah, that's out right now. The article with Blair, we
talked through some of his pieces.
As Sean mentioned, he's been crushing.
Talked. Through the the Packers wide
receiver corps, the Broncos wide receiver corps, and then some of
the individual breakout names and working on my legendary
upside scenarios, which will be out next week.
And Sidekick now works for DraftKings.
If you're, if you want to check Sidekick subscribers,
subscribers, you should just be able to go over to DraftKings
and it'll start working. Don't really need to do anything
else if you've already got it. But yeah, check it all out at
legendaryupside.com. Awesome.
For me, best ball Bros 2024 it's going to drop Monday.
I think I'll do it after best ball breakfast.
Very excited for you guys to all see that.
Going to have the I we keep referencing the truth serum
video that'll be out on the deposit Kingdom got clips from
from all of these guys for that will be very fun.
And yeah, as Nick mentioned here on Thursday, so we we said we
have the crack rock draft at night, 7:00 PM on this channel
on my channel. We are having fantasy feud.
We are doing a family feud spin off.
It's team ship chasing. I'm recusing myself as the host,
but we have Davis stepping in for me to join Pat and Gretsch
on team Ship chasing verse Team ETR, Evan Silva, his infamous
return to the randomizer, along with Leone and Daigle.
You guys have probably seen in the Discord the survey to
actually fill out to help us with the questions and I'm very
excited guys. It's going to be very going to
be so fun. Yeah.
So that'll be 3:00 PM on Thursday.
So is this trivia? Like, what are we doing?
What are we actually? Are you familiar with?
Family feud we are doing. Like you're playing Family Feud,
All right, All right. Yeah.
It was like a randomized version different.
Is the like you know how there's the like bonus round at the end
where the winners do and some someone leaves from your team.
We might not do that, but the like teams going head to head
with the survey, we're gonna we're gonna be doing that.
So do you have us like? Each on the side like do you
have a stream yard set up for us?
I will. After our tech call this week,
there's a tech call for this show.
Pat, this is amazing. Yeah.
There's a tech. Call.
Do I need to be? On this.
You don't have to be on the tech call.
You just show up 3:00 PM on Thursday.
That sounds. Ideal.
Yes. So yeah, that'll be fun.
But thank you guys all for it, Buzzer.
There's a buzz. There's a there'll be a verbal
buzzer. The way I think you'll what
you'll do is you'll just say the answer.
You know, in the game they just buzz and then they say the
answer. So you'll just say it out there.
But yeah, it's gonna be wild. All right guys, have a great
rest of your weekend. Make sure you guys check out all
the great stuff at Stealing Signals, Rotobiz and Leg Up.
We'll see you guys next time on ship chasing.