Look at that. You guys can't get mad at us for
starting late. I am starting 15 seconds
earlier. That's how excited we are for
tonight's show, we have underdogs, Hayden, Winks,
joining us tonight. We are going to do a dynasty.
Superflex, rookie mock draft here, talk through all of the
prospects including our favorite sky.
I'm or let's do it. Friar homos handjob exercise.
Jamar Chase. Let's go.
Welcome to ship is this your ship chasing debut.
I think I've done it once before but I've been on some of your
other shows. I've lost track which one?
Yes, you know, I but I keep track.
Yeah maybe maybe on one of our draft Marathon streams but
regardless it is it is great to have you as a Bradley points out
here in the chat. You've been crushing it over
with all of the prospect stuff on the underdog Channel.
Thought we had to get you in the hopper here to talk it through
with us. So yeah, it sounded like
pre-show your get your a little exhausted with at least the
Prospect research portion of things.
Yeah, after watching Khalil Shakur and I was like, I enough
already of the tape if I have to go beyond that whipping up
College of market share and calling the today, I mean, uh, I
would watch it on a tape on Cleo secure, but I like his stats.
This that's a pretty good. Yeah, he's into.
All right. Yeah.
So if we were you know, theoretically to do this mock
draft, how long would it have to go before?
Khalil Shakur would be drafted. Let's see what the ranks are. 22
overall that one the kill shot like I think he was like my wide
receiver 14 or something. All right, so it's it's not that
but 14th overall exactly superplex.
Hi Gretch. We have to find out though.
How was, how is the road trip? I don't know.
Did I miss any pictures? Did you post pictures on
Twitter? You can my wife's not big on
posting the family picture. So I got some great ones of some
of the national parks we were at and stuff that I should have
posted. But I was going to post like,
halfway through the trip that's tough because that was the first
half of the trip and then I just didn't because we're still doing
things. And then I just didn't once I
got home, too, I mean, like the whole thing of posting online is
just Sort of they exhaust shift. I'm over it.
Yeah. Well, give us the exclusive.
What was the best part of the best part of the trip?
Oh dude, I don't know if there was a best part so we did nine
days, we drove 3,500 miles. We spent a couple days in
Anaheim for Disneyland on the kids birthday, which was a lot
of fun. My oldest birthday.
Not both of their birthdays. That would be weird.
But so the seven days were driving Like 500 miles a day.
I did all the driving literally 100% of the driving.
My wife did not get behind the wheel so that was pretty.
I was pretty stoked about that. That I manage that.
No, I mean, we somebody like Bryce Canyon, we did Zion, we
did Grand Canyon with the Redwoods and Golden Gate Bridge
on the way back, kind of Hit the whole West Coast South
Southwest. It was a fun, a strip to it was,
I mean, there's a lot of layers and I think the Phoenicians on
your, oh, yeah. Did you get?
Did you get out for any debauchery Indefinitely.
Yeah. No, no.
We went out to dinner. My wife has never been and the
kids were pretty overwhelmed. We went straight from the
national parks like three days in the national parks to Vegas
on the night of the national championship.
So my family was pretty overwhelmed.
Yeah. It was kind of kind of low-key
night in Vegas, but it was as you say, my take is, I think
redwoods might be legitimately one of the most underrated
places in the United States. I mean, some of the hikes there
and just because there's no Tourist infrastructure, like you
drive biles, try to find a gas station.
That the trails are just empty and it's still like some of the
most incredible terrain you'll ever see.
Yeah, redwoods are incredible. I mean being from the Northwest
that's the one part for again front of the family like they
weren't as stoked about, I would say because like trees and
everything is very familiar up here for all the kind of hikes.
We do parks and stuff but especially compared to like Zion
Bryce Grand, Canyon all that stuff.
That's not, that's turning that we don't see stuff like that up
here but I love the Redwoods. I was like they were walking
fast on the trails and I was like, hey, let's look like giant
has trees. Like because it again, I just
well, Dad mode on the trees, Kaz commenting about Hayden eyes.
He says great, we have pink lights.
Now, I just want the like record to show.
I have upgraded my light setup, I've not quite on Hayden's level
yet, but I did do the pink just for the ship chasing, I have my
new ship chasing lighting. Specifically for this show
Hayden. Did you do you have a full-on
remote control for years? Yeah, we got the full set up.
I paid a good like 186 dollars on Amazon, for all this stuff.
Yeah, I have. I'm so happy because I just
today. Ripped up the ones I had that I
was manually turning on and turning off after every show.
I was like, I have to get a fucking Bluetooth with automated
system are ever to go, crazy. So you can just change that
during the show hide, Yeah, not the like the big blue ones.
I'm still a poor. And I do have to do the manual,
but the little strip light. I got the little little setup at
least nice. Yeah, I don't know.
There's a lot of pre-loaded ones in here.
This is the Chinatown Vibe apparently, but I'm gonna have
to um have to work out that we're gonna just stick with the
pink for tonight. Um, Pat what's new with you?
Well, you guys are talking about your whites and I, uh, I can't
even get my camera in real time. I mean lights like talk about,
uh, you know, I got, I got real problems over here.
I'm a man of the people. Just drinking my beer trying to
get my camera to work. What is the div there have to be
people in Brooklyn that have good internet?
Why does this alludes you so much?
It's actually so I actually felt a little bit better about it in
a way where recently found out that the entire buildings
internet, is it Disaster. And there's a FiOS guy trying to
like pitch us because here we don't have like choices.
Like there's the building is wired for one.
Terrible internet service. So another also pretty bad
internet. Service is trying to get in and
that would be an improvement. We would all switch and maybe
about, I'm having a good run here, look, you can actually see
me in real time. It's nice.
But, but yeah, it's rough. I don't know what to do except
except move eventually. Yeah, Sam says, how much do we
have to increase the Steed. Yeah, it's now going to be
10,000 a month, and we're going to have fiber optic cables.
It stalled. That's building.
I mean, you got guys, sending your cell phones, does anyone
can I get an internet expert in here?
Is there anyone want to show who's an internet expert?
I mean if I've learned anything you start doing content, you put
things out in the world. I'm sure someone from the ship
chasing Community will be at your doorstep, in no time here
to help you out. I think it's too good of a bit.
They all of the internet. I know experts don't want to
help. You, they send you a see, you
enjoy singing. Well, it legitimately made the
Highlight. The new intro highlight clip is
like, you know, I was a little leery prison.
It's not, it can be a bit know you think smooth that out?
No, no that's actually part of the charm.
Is Patsy better that freezing? Um, so Hayden.
What's your? What's your overall macro take
on this class should be excited. Ambivalent wait for next year.
Where you at? I think the wide receivers are
decent. I don't see anyone that's
completely off the charts good. I think there's two decent
running back. Neither I think are not in the
elite tier and the quarterbacks are very wobbly like even Malik
Willis like I was like I know we're doing superflex stuff.
I was like trying to make the upside case which is obvious but
like man it seems like it's like a 10% chance like that actually
happened. So it's like very hard to way
that I know we're like rooting for ceilings and stuff but even
that it's it's pretty hard to Envision.
So I think Bruce Hall Kenneth Murray and then like the top, I
know eight wide receivers I'm pretty intrigued with and
outside of that, not from Me. Yeah.
That sounds.
Are you feeling similar similar? I'm feeling somewhere.
I think maybe I like the wide receiver class like a little
better in that. Like I think it's It's not like
super, super deep in terms of like, you know, there's 20 guys
that are awesome but there's, it's like a really strong like
top 10. I think, top eight, you know,
whatever. So we don't tend to get, I think
like that level of depth, all that often.
And there's also guys at the top, like, it's not, like, it's
not like thickened one part, like, oh, there's a bunch of
kind of like late, second round types or something.
Like, there's guys kind of all along the range in a nice way,
but there isn't a dream are Or tomorrow Cooper or someone who
just jumps out. I agree with that but there's a
couple guys are at the top of I think are are still like worthy
of you know kind of wide receiver one and a class I just
did. I'm in the middle.
I sent you guys earlier today, I'm in the middle of my first
rookie draft. It's single QB.
And Pat, obviously we've talked a bunch on the show.
There's some of the receivers that I thought were really
interesting have some, you know, some injury concerns.
You know it starts with like Jameson Williams is obviously
still going to be a really high-profile guy but Pickens and
then get later later into the class.
You have like, Justin, Ross, and John met you.
And those guys, I thought that Those guys would maybe be
interesting values but like the piggyback on what both you guys
are saying about the class as a whole.
I was really interested in this rookie draft about number one.
How thin the running back classes shows up and rookie
draft so thin like nobody wanted to take a rookie look like a
look like a ship chasing draft. I mean nobody want to take a
running back at look like a ship tray.
Chasing has just pissing yellow all through the start of the
second round. Especially and so like like
Justin Ross went like 205 like I thought Normal classic.
I like him with where it's like draft capitals, projected to be
with maybe like a 210 or 212 type like late second.
He goes pretty high up, John met.
You went to a six like by 206, 207 208 was like, I don't even
want to make any more pics. Like there's not a lot of guys
left that are that interesting compared to other classes, you
know, over the last five years or whatever.
One thing I'll say about the class like this is a not a very
good defense, but I do think with the running back class,
It's like these guys are gonna get drafted.
I don't think the NFL thinks that it's like such a bad
running back class that they're just like gonna draft way less
running backs than usual so you are going to see some of these
running backs. Land in good situations they're
going to Bubble Up the way they always do and after about I
think running back five you can literally pick any one you want.
Whoever you like the best that that can be your guy.
And so like and I think it's very It's very flat.
It's worth writing about Bob's. I would say, if I kind of like
Tyler algae or there, that's like my guy, what anybody 35 to
do all of these? Because I think that I think the
top of the class is like not strong past past Walker and and
Bruce Hall. I have it the other way hall and
then Walker but it's not like completely open.
Like I have white three. I have Spiller for, I have algae
or five. I think those guys are like,
like, if you had, I don't know. Brian Robinson three.
I would think that's like a little weird, but if you have
them six, like, sure. You know, even if you haven't
five, I'm not gonna like, I just think like, and to that point,
we're probably going to end up looking back and be like, oh,
that was the year. This guy came out and he had
like a pretty decent run or like there's probably four of those
guys in this class. We just don't know who they are.
So it's not fun to pick. Wait, I just got the trace,
every 10, one thing, you're He would be the one on one in this
class. He would be my rb3 again.
No, I've been with what you do? Yeah, well, I got em, he
destroyed my clothing line value League off that.
He was not going to any higher than I thought I was a genius.
And we saw how that went to me, like the running back class in
my model. I have my rb3 is a 70 first
percentile Prospect and then my our be 10 is a 57% our prospects
but there's a gap of like seven players that are like right next
to each other and They are not even near Kenneth Walker Breeze
Hall. So like yeah, Brian, Robinson's
like the rb9 but he's not far off.
Isaiah spoilers in your white or James Cook.
Richard, why they're all the same same people so it's like
really. Hey, get your guy because they
all look the same pre-draft at least and to what you guys were
saying about how even if we collectively, might not be as
excited about this running back class.
The NFL Still Remains incredibly excited.
I saw this tweet the other day. Why is Washington?
Scheduling top, 30 visits, with Bruce Hall, Kenneth Walker, I
mean, like one of the last teams that you would think would be
needing to spend, you know, draft capital in this position.
But these organizations can't help themselves but silly Davis
price, didn't make my running back ranks.
I went to like 12 or whatever he didn't make it but like he could
have, you know, like there's nothing, there's no reason that,
like, I had to rank like, you know, Tyler baby or whatever
instead of hit like so I do think that You know there's
gonna be so it's almost a good year to have like fourth and
fifth round picks as I guess what I'm saying, because there's
going to be shuffling around of these ranks in a pretty big way,
post draft. Yeah.
You just said some guys are going to Bubble Up and you guys
both talk about this like even rb3 or rb5 to our be 1012 range,
landing spot, and draft. Capital are going to determine
it the way that we rank this after draft, right?
Like a hunter. Lot like a lot.
Yeah. Yeah.
Why don't we, why don't we jump into it?
Kate and I will let you pick your drafts lat.
Do you guys want to do third round reversal?
I know you want the the 101 or do you want the wrap, the 14,
and the two one, I'll take the rap.
Let's go there. Okay, I do not want to make this
101 tick at all. Okay, anything but that.
Alright, so we're going to put, we're gonna bet Hayden at the
rap grach. Fresh off a vacation.
I'll let you pick next. I'll take the 101.
All right, I'll be there. Aubry solve, that's fine.
This Is Why I'm Hot this. Why Pat?
You get to Is what do you want? Two or three one or two.
When I don't want to make this decision.
What I'll do is what I already had to do with my draft.
I didn't really love it. It's trying to trade back.
All right. Grab this is super Flex Titan
premium. Is that we're doing this?
I think so. I mean might as well get the
quarterbacks in there because let's get him in.
I actually am, you know, one of the things that I feel like
happens every year in superflex drafts specifically is there's
this juicy range from about like, 110 to 24 25.
That just seems like a very similar tier to a lot of the
guys going, like one. 14 through 19 and the more you guys talk
about this quarterback class about the depth at the running
back class. I'm starting to worry.
Where is that tear break this year and it could be at like,
what to little earlier? Yeah, it's a little earlier than
usual. So Gretch, who's the 101 is this
is an easy pick for you. I'm I think I think its briefs
all I mean I obviously in superflux it can be a QB but I
don't know, I think it's all right.
I like the receivers a ton to put the part of it as like Sean
made a really good point on our part that we recorded yesterday
as well. We're like if you have multiple
picks especially Multiplex in the first round but you know if
you're picking like 101 you probably got the 2001 as well.
You can hit a receiver to a one. There's not a running back.
They're going to headed to a 1. So for your actual like, Paul
for your team, in your rookie draft, I think there's an
argument to be a little bit heavier on Hall and maybe even
Walker, but kind of depends on what you have to play with in
terms of draft Capital. But Halls it holds a good
Prospect for sure, right? You guys would know better than
me. Yeah, and then wet philosophy
will sometimes get you in a little bit of trouble like
Bishop Sankey in the 2014 draft, who I did select and some and
some drafts, which is, you know, just absolutely soul-crushing in
retrospect. But I think I think it's
different cause I think all is a really good.
Prospect. So you're not like you're not
sacrificing pretty big opportunity costs at wide
receiver for for a guy who's you know you you're still getting a
really solid Prospect and all I. Yeah.
Hey you said you didn't want that choice.
It sounds like it's pretty close for you up top.
Yeah, I was doing my going Garrett Wilson, 101.
Bruce Hall. Is popping in the models.
He's 96 percent on my model. I don't really see that level
Talent. He wasn't big yards after
contact. Contact guys, more just like a
home run threat and I didn't think that there was anything
like to special, but outside of like his numbers are amazing.
So I have like a comp to DeAndre Swift, which is like pretty
solid. I don't think that he's like,
Ezekiel Elliott or anything above that.
Coming out of school, I feel like he's gonna be closer.
Like Antonio Gibson, DeAndre Swift type of town, which is in
this class. You'd have to take that by.
I was leaning towards, maybe one of the receivers, even though
like the positional value is kind of kind of unique.
Eek if he snuck into the back end of the first round with
that, maybe change your outlook at all on him.
Yeah, I think I have them currently projected.
My model has projected draft capital and that's already at
40th overall. So I don't think would make that
much of a difference and he's already like 96 percentile.
Okay, so we're going to be like the high to Middle 90s, which is
Rock. Solid that I didn't see.
Like, he's maybe like more clothes like the culture, like
Javonte Williams, who was like a fine Perfectly solid Prospect.
I didn't think like this is like, the next whoever you want
to pick. Yeah.
I think he's probably pretty
similar to to Williams as a as a prospect in terms of and what
key spot. He's going to be 21, right?
Like we know that the 21 year old are bees are good
Investments and Ricky dress for sure.
All right. Crane you ROTC?
I mean, give me Malik Willis here.
Like is this, what are we doing? I think like, depending on the,
what are we doing? Like he fell, he fell into,
isn't it? Yeah, I mean I would, I would
say I have an FF PC draft where I have the 101 and like, I think
I have Kyler and Trail, and Santana Hill and literally, no
running. But I think I've reminder
Stevenson, I'm gonna take Breeze whole.
Like, I'm gonna take pre-salt there, but in most leagues were,
you know, the Back Market is like super dry.
It's hard to get these guys. I'm taking a leak Willis.
I think I was looking at, you know, Hayden had some really
good tweets about EPA per play. Willis has like a million red
flags, agree. Like, he, he could totally suck.
I wrote my write-up. That he could be a backup by a
second contract. Like it's pretty, ridiculously
low floor, plus selling your one out.
Yeah. What are we doing here?
Yeah. Yeah the thing is he's gonna get
At least three years of job security and the the bar that he
has to hit as a pastor is so much lower than every other
quarterback in this class because he does, have that
rushing ability. You guys are on you and Josh
were talking about it, like more like a gel and hurts level
rushing ability, not Lamar Jackson which I agree with but I
think that's still pretty good freaking.
Yeah, that's still really good and in terms that EPA per play
stuff like We're not like is much as that's helpful you know,
Matthew Stafford, led the league last year including the playoffs
Mahomes was second. Rogers was third, Alan was fifth
Herbert sixth like you want guys are really good.
Any paper play, they're going to be Stars, they're going to be
you know the best quarterbacks in the league.
But you also have like Jimmy Garoppolo was a ninth called
McCoy finished eighth in minimum, 100 plays James Jameis
Winston was forth like it's not like a guarantee that you're
going to get a really good starter with, you know, high
high efficiency, Teddy Bridgewater.
Is 11th, go down to these like rushing.
Quarterbacks Lamar Jackson was 20th.
Jalen hurts was 21st, Trey. Lance was 25th, like, what he
needs to do is a rookie, not just to, like, get on the field
but to actually be like a fantasy Star right away.
It's not that high of a bar, and if he does that, he's going to
be like the 108 and startups the next year.
So, to me, like he's probably must landing spot, really sucks.
Like it's the lions. Like that's a problem because
he's probably not. All year, the trail and
situation but like your if it's the we're gonna if it's the
lions are acting up Jared Goff or yeah, if it's the Lions he
went probably to overall, or he went to optimally trade down a
spot or something, but he went really, really high.
So we're going to feel great about his long-term job
security. So, I don't know to me, like,
I'd rather have him than Justin fields at this point, like,
because I want to reset the value.
I want to make sure I'm insulated from a guy potentially
losing his job. So, Just with the upside and
like you get to trade him a year from now if you want to trade
him a year from now and you're going to be able to do so very
easily. Yeah, it's interesting looking
at, you know, some of the the mock drafts right now and see
how the pendulum has like swung in favor of the spray and pray
on wide receivers verse spray and pray on quarterback thing
where it seems like you're still taking the approach of like,
hey, when these guys hit, they represent such an outsized
advantage to your superplex team and the same way the NFL should
probably be saying when these guys hit having a rookie
quarterback on that contract, is such a massive Advantage.
But you look at the projected draft Capital, it's like the
NFL. L is so out on these cubies in
general, that they're not even willing to take these swings.
But do you think like hating where do you think his floor is
in terms of NFL draft position? It could he get past the
Steelers at 20? Yeah, I think it's like for tank
overall. Yeah, I mean, Dana theorem, I
didn't happen. Is first round mock draft.
I would say his window is, like eight overall, to probably like
32nd, overall that lines pick somewhere is.
That's kind of where I'm leaning.
I would say is like the same odds of falling out of the first
First round as going second overall.
Yeah. But I don't think I'll go second
overall. Yeah, I think he's like going to
be around like 12 or something. Yes, pretty boy.
This is a slow draft. Everyone has eight hours for per
pick and it does pause overnight from 12:00 to 8:00 a.m. eastern,
but I will I won't delay anything.
I will say, I will say, I'd be pretty nervous if he goes 32,
sorry, step on your pick? No, yeah.
That I mean, Wide range of outcomes is going to be very fun
for draft night. I'm gonna take Trail on Burks, I
know Garrett Wilson is probably a better Prospect but I heard
that this guy hunts wild boars with his dogs and the knife.
He's built like a j, proud and I have a type of faded.
Tell me why I'm wrong for taking Trail on Burks and letting
Garrett Wilson fall to you at 14.
Well, I don't really have a variable for the, the wild hogs.
So Modeling wild hog that. But yeah I mean I I can see him
being the top five receivers in the league.
I can see him being like a bigger Lavista should old.
I don't know man like he's your guess is as good as mine.
Oh, what we call that Devo, Samuel around here, we call
that. Oh God.
Yeah I mean basically the his his projections.
Like, all right, he was dominant in college and they kept giving
the ball but out of the slot, not at the back.
Old, is he going to be that type of player in the NFL which is
not that good of a row like the deepest a rule.
I like the first half of the Season Debo rather than the
second but if he goes out on the outside and just start some
awesome people on the outside, then we were talking about
somebody that's gonna be a first round pick in fantasy drafts
eventually. So I have no idea.
I can see it going either way. Yeah, it was strongly on the
top. Well we'll let you pick first.
Yeah. Maybe this, these pics will show
us how you're feeling. I'm gonna go Gary Wilson and
Drake London, who are my my one and two, I keep flipping back
and forth with them. I think they're the two safest
wide receiver prospects, early declare early or only 20, or 21
years old, their metrics were awesome, big school.
They all the off-field stuff seems really good with them as
well. I think that Drake London has a
good potential to be like a Michael Thomas like a high
volume, even if he's not winning down field as often, but Michael
Thomas wins, downfield occasionally, and you can jump
all people like Dre. London and I think Garrett
Wilson, it might take some time because he's kind of a chaotic
player but like the athleticism is off the charts and he was
dominant early on at Ohio State. So I think both of them are
going to go before like pick 18th in this draft and any wide
receiver that gets drafted that high is going to be looking
pretty good. You kind of answered this
question but I was going to ask of these three receivers.
Like how clustered do you think it is or how close do you have?
Of Burke's to those two because you said, you flip flop.
Those two a lot. Yeah, so I have a late round one
or early round two. Great entree Lindbergh's.
I'm a little bit lower than other people.
And I have like mid-round grades on these.
These two, they're all 90th. Percentile prospects of my
model. I think that you have to do more
of a projection with Trail in Berks, and these other ones.
But like, it doesn't mean the ceiling outcome, isn't it?
That's unchanged. Like, if he just goes plays X
receiver and dominates then Trail embarrassing to be a total
smash, but That's what Garrett Wilson and Drake London did.
So I feel like a little bit more comfortable with that, but the
ceiling outcome for all these guys are awesome.
Pat, how do you have those great rank?
I haven't Burke's Wilson London. I kind of feel like an end.
So I'm guilty of this too. But in retrospect we're going to
be like what you said? It should have just said Wilson
number one like he's just like a slam dunk.
He's like I was on Daigle show and he was like how does it go
wrong for Garrett Wilson? I was like I guess he gets
pigeon-holed in the slot and it's kind of like a CD lamb
situation where we're like maybe he's not going to be a star but
we'll probably still drop them like the fourth or fifth round
of fantasy drafts for five years.
He that's like his downside scenario.
I think he's but gonna be good. I'm 200 pounds is upside as high
as perks and lunch. Well, that that's why, that's
why no one has number one. Right.
Because we're all like he's not going to be what we want to
swing for the fences. We want Burke's or London which
both it's so much easier to see the ceiling with those guys.
But you know the guys Who are the guys?
Who check all the boxes then get drafted in the first round.
That's the Justin Jefferson profile.
He didn't he wasn't the ceiling guy in that draft class but he
checked all the boxes and he goes first round and it turns
out he's a superstar like it wouldn't shock me if guilt.
It wasn't a superstar because it's really just like, oh, he's
only 183. Well, he's a sub for for guy
like he can win downfield, he can win everywhere.
He can play inside and play outside, he's got a ceiling.
What's funny about that too. Is I remember the sentiments on
Justin Jefferson that dynasty. Offseason.
And he was like the boring, safe pigs everywhere.
Your if we were trying to take Jailer Draeger over every time
because he was so sexy compared to just the Jefferson and now
you would I mean he's like the most sexiest Dynasty asset, you
could have. All right, I am, I guess I'm
going to take a running back here.
I'm going to take Kenneth Walker.
The third, I don't have a lot of good reasons for this other than
it seems like he's gonna be the second ready back off the board.
Apparently, I'm supposed to be About his past catching, but
he's a good IRL Runner. Did I nail that crush?
It Crush. Dead.
How concerned are you guys about this pass-catching?
Because then he kept a lot of houses in high school.
Like what's the deal with this? Like I did see somebody tweet
that. I did not verify.
I've never space talk about that trust me.
I actually went back was like yeah I did.
All right I mean the only the one thing with Kenneth Walker
Daniel Jeremiah would they were like talking about running backs
and he said that Kenneth Walker's Like the, the character
coaches guy and that Mel Tucker. Michigan, State's head coach
sent Daniel Jeremiah a bunch of clips from their practices where
he's catching passes so I don't know what's going on.
The Daniel Jeremiah went on his own podcast randomly and drop
that so wife. Whom I were they throwing to win
the game that if the kid he was such a weapon in the passing
game that they were trying to keep it from there.
Opponents until he made it to the NFL, it's really a long
coat. We do see with, you know, some
backs that are so efficient as runners in college, they
basically don't need to be thrown to.
Like there's the sort of the Jonathan Taylor point, right?
Like where he's been very efficient pass, catcher in the
NFL when he's gotten the opportunities.
But like he's just such a good runner that like Wisconsin was
like what's going to hand him the ball.
And I remember looking at his Prospect profile, when he was
coming out in the games where he It's like a really weird stat
but the games already had below whatever yards per carry his
receiving. What's fight?
So it was like when they when they actually face that it was
usually against like Michigan and Ohio State and stuff
throughout his career when they actually face a tougher team
that could shut him down a little bit, running the ball
then they throw them for five times.
It's like, yeah, it kind of fit with that launch it.
When you looked at this game long, I wonder if that's true
for Walker because he ran for like 2,000 yards and 13
touchdowns, right or whatever it was.
Yeah it's also got your nose wrong.
Blocker. It's not Now, well if you look
at yards per hour on, he's nowhere near where Taylor was so
like when he actually ran routes water still wasn't involved at.
I think the receiving stuff is like a legitimate red flag.
It's, it's blower. Hence, Eric Andre was blower.
Ronald Jones was blower, Deonte Foreman was, it's more like a
mile Sanders type of situation I think were you hoping he can be
like solid at it, but I think it would be a little shocking to me
if he's like, really good. As a receiver.
Is he the clear rb2 for all of you guys though?
Yeah. In fantasy for sure.
Yeah I will say the Big Ten Or Big 12, where the Big Ten, they
love established in the run more than any conference.
They had that is the trihard run the ball conference and all
those kind of outlier players like Melvin Gordon, didn't
didn't catch passes, Le'Veon Bell, didn't catch passes.
Jonathan Taylor, didn't catch passes.
That's because that that conference wants to set the tone
and that's just how they play football over there.
So maybe maybe there is a little more upside than we're giving
credit for, I think the Reason he still Darby to for me at
least is there's not any question about his Russian
nobility, right? Like he's got the size speed
profile that we're looking for, he was very efficient Runner,
all of those things. And so it's just like, is he
just going to be a good runner or, you know, competent Runner
or whatever, or can he then add the receiving and and that range
is like, that's a pretty strong range.
He's a little smaller, he's a little smaller than I prefer.
He's 59 211. Like if he was 220, I think that
would be A kind of Ideal like just the style that he is.
He does feel like a tad under sighs.
It's probably not a huge deal but I don't know to me that it's
like that plus more. So the receiving but I have Hall
like firmly ahead of him and for Fantasy purposes.
All right, Pat did we all forget that this was a super Flex
draft? Or are you going to go with a
different position here? So this, this is tough because
like, I don't really like any of these other quarterbacks You
want to set the tone? I got it does not set the tone
and take the rest of the quarterbacks, but but I kind of
feel gross about doing it without draft position.
Like, but if Kenny Pickett, and I, I'm not into picket, and I
love what you guys are saying. Hayden about him being like,
more of a Tannehill type, you know, he's not like a he's not
going to dissect an offense, but like he's kind of build is like
this safe guy, but it's like, well, he's not gonna dissect it
off. It's maybe he's not that safe.
Yeah, so I'm a little bit worried about him.
Like, I don't want to be taking picket here, and then, he's
actually the guy who slides and, you know Corral goes were thing
pigs gonna go. So, I'm gonna take Jameson
Williams, who, you know, if you hadn't torn, his ACL would be
right up there with the top wide receivers really strong wide
receiver prospect. It's only 179 pounds.
So, you know, that's, that's a little bit of a concern, but
like it's also recovering from an ACL tear, so, you know, maybe
he'd be a bit more close to, like one, 85 if that wasn't the
case, incredible on Yachts for outrun, 3.12 yards per hour on
last year. Way better than his teammates,
John met, she is going to probably be like a round 3 pick
with a torn ACL, probably been around to pick without.
So the fact that he's out producing met you, I think it's
pretty impressive. Obviously got buried when he was
at Ohio State. But, you know, if you really
give someone a past that it's, it's a wide receiver on this
Ohio State team, which also has Jackson Smith and Jake.
The addition of the two guys this year.
So, The other thing I like about them is he's just like so
obviously got a role at the NFL level.
He's gonna be outside deep threat, career 14.8, a DOT, 79%
of his yards, came on 10 plus targets there's like no doubt
about how you're going to use him.
He's going to be very good at that, and then maybe he grows
into a little bit of a bigger role.
He's probably more like a will Fuller or like a Brandin Cooks
or he's like primarily that downfield guy, but maybe over
time he gets more than intermediate usage and he's like
a fantasy wide receiver one. This is where a name picking
101, was it? Brilliant.
And I realized that after I picked it, but I think Williams
was the obvious pick there. And in my opinion, it gets a
little sketchy here. I'm going to take Chris a lobby
with the first pick here, because I think, He's because
he's a four-year guy and doesn't have the really declare, but was
productive early enough in his career.
I think he's essentially a half tear down from these guys but
still I have tear up from everyone else if that makes
sense. And then I'm going to take Not
the quarterback that I think you should take but the quarterback
that I want to take which is Desmond redder because I'm here.
And that I mean there was a tweet today that a bunch of like
almost all the teams have him as having first round great on him.
It means he's a first-round quarterback with his skill set
with the rushing skill set that he has with a 45 60 40.
I also think just I don't know. I have a thing for the guys that
I mean QB wins is not a stat but the guys that actually performed
at the college level in terms of being able to stick at the NFL
level, like actually being the fact that he led Cincinnati to
the college football. Playoff sort of matters to me a
little bit. I mean this was sort of why I
was on Justin Fields a little bit last year.
It goes back to the Sean Watson where he got knocked a bunch as
a prospect. Even though he was like super
good in college just because like ball velocity.
Like we start talking about all these, you know, more
traditional quarterback metrics. And it's like I mean this dude
LED Cincinnati to the college football playoff that at least
manage a little to me, he didn't perform well in the big game
against Alabama. You know, like the toughest
competition he had to face but he was, you know, obviously good
enough throughout the year to do the things that when Like Pat
was talking about job security and stuff.
That's, I mean, maybe, like Russell Wilson's.
Another example, although I don't know how big of a winner.
He was in college. I can't really recall, but just
this idea of like, if he's not going to be a top ten pick,
Maybe he has some of those intangibles or whatever that can
get him on the field quicker and and allow him to keep the job
because he's going to do the right things.
He's not going to turn the ball over.
He's gonna make Intelligent Decisions in the pocket, things
like that. But again, keep me wins is not a
staff, but the fact that he was successful in college, does
matter in that regard, at least immediately a little bit as I
guess the way I want to put this, keep you in.
This thing is I don't want to knock a QB for not winning
necessarily because it might not be on them.
But I do kind of want to give him a little a boost for this.
He seems to be the buzziest of all these quarterbacks like, you
know, he's actually a riser, it seems like Hayden.
What is your draft range on him of like the earliest to the
latest? He could go like 20th to 60th?
I don't know, I'm guessing still around too but he has been
getting a lot of hype. So I'm waiting for like a damn
Jeremiah ordained Brugler tweet about it but we'll see Desmond
rid of it. He does everything right.
But he doesn't have like the physical Traits like the arm
strength accuracy but he can run the ball and he's the best
decision maker in the class and that's like a pretty good at
least starting point. I'm just not sure if he's got
like a good enough arm and all that stuff.
So I can see to the way I bet. It's probably sounded like
you're the Champs Watson. Why DeShaun Watson went.
Yeah, 1012 like 12, right? That's what I was trying to say
in a lot less words. I think that's like a sort of a
positive like he's getting knocked for maybe not having
that Elite trait but we're reporting about that.
So Frost Josh is definitely not even a bitter bitter guy.
I'm not waiting for Josh to eat. I assume this is supposed to be
a safe space, for Hayden to come, get away from Norris, you
know, fire out. Some takes with out of it.
You can't escape this guy, Hayden.
It's tough. It's not that you are OT.
See, you do have eight hours, though.
I don't need to do any talking for this one.
Pete, play. The high ever played The Hideout
real. Oh, boy.
He's dying. It's the fucking sickest name
I've ever seen for a wide receiver.
Oh my God! Damn!
I'm so mad that I should have taken
him in the first round so I couldn't get sniped on the clip.
Paul, I was a little. I was a little annoyed when Ben
was like, what? A tear break.
I was like, aw, you're welcome because I wanted, it takes guy
like that was the number one pick.
I wanted to take him to Curtis Samuel, and now I
can't get the Get out of my head that he goes to Green Bay at the
end of round one. And he starts his kind of like a
Randall Cobb type but he's moving outside as well.
He's like instead of the Davante Adams, like three-year grind of
him. Getting on the same page on the
outside, we have them start as Randall Cobb and then he moves
to more of the outside connection as that grows with
Rogers. I mean the versatility within
the yards, after catch the route running, the intermediate
production, this guy's gonna be good.
Alright, Hayden we? Everyone knows how we feel about
Sky more. Where are you at on him?
Well I like how we're already assuming that he's on the
Packers and I didn't go to like walk.
Yeah, he's on the Packers. Now I have nothing bad to say
about Sky more. I mean, come on.
This is ridiculous. He was awesome.
And every every capacity it sounds like Josh has something
bad to say about that more than it did.
That's why Hayden's on the show and not Josh.
You have an anti Sky more take you don't get to come on, come
on. It's not fanfiction.
It's reality Sam. Alright.
I am going to, I'm going to take a quarterback.
It sounds like Kenny pick. It is going to be the first
quarterback. Drafted, most likely just going
to trust the Gap draft Capital here, and get myself a
quarterback because this is in fact, superflex thoughts.
Seems fine, not all caps, not the TV.
You would take my, I mean that's my thoughts but I don't have any
strong opinions, so I don't feel strongly about that.
So honest question though, Gretsch like if Kenny pick, it
goes top 10 and say Desmond Ritter goes in the second round.
Do you still flip them or do you hold on to that?
Well, I mean I was going to say for you for now the quarterback
I would take is probably Ral because he still brings a little
bit of Mobility. Correct me if I'm wrong.
These two, I'll take it. Those two, though.
The spicket bring some? Yeah, I mean he fakes lid, that
one time. That was really cool.
You know? I'm bad at 75 times.
So cool. But he's like pick it pick.
It is the classic like one year. Late career guy right?
Wasn't he a fifth-year senior this year and had one huge
season second. It was like he didn't even red
shirt though. He took the extra year because
of covid. But still, he literally free and
they find that knowledge Seasons.
Yeah. Yeah.
Oh oh, he played in The Cove. He played.
Yeah, he played Four Seasons and he was like, I'm gonna do one
more and now is the top 10 picks.
What you're telling me is. I'm getting a souped-up.
Chris weinke is what I do. Exactly right.
I was like that right? Final year for years.
Out of college, is when he was finally good or out of high
school is when he's finally get right?
Is that it's the right one? I'm thinking.
Pick a bishop. He was like a very small sample
of him even playing. But yeah, I like the fact that
Yeah, that's what I'm concerned about him.
And then the hand sighs, guess, I'm going to talk about his
hands. They're tiny the prettiest.
Yeah, freakish like circus folk. Now that's a blurb right there.
Someone just watch nightmare alley.
I think Brandon Weeden was smaller heads alone.
Alright Hayden your OTC. I did.
I give it. Did I let some gifts fall into
your lap? Yeah, I mean, I gotta go for
sure, with George Pickens out the alpha of this group.
He could be Terrace Marshall, he could be someone.
That's a Truex receiver. He's kind of that, I think he's
a better prospect that there is Marshall, was because we had
like that early dominance and it's just like, all right, if he
stays healthy, then we're off and running here.
So, he's, I know he's an alpha and he ran for a little bit
fast, and some people thought he was, he's got the size.
And he hits, he really hits. So I think that's the boom-bust
pick, but I think there's a kind of a teardrop after am I
building this team as if this is my team or where am I going
here? Cuz I want to go John Dodson
here. Tell me why this is response.
Yellow. Man.
Roster requirements in this is one running back as well.
This is another, we're getting shown up on our own show.
Right exactly. Exactly.
But Dawson receivers. Love the receiver.
The receiver, the the Datsun things like he might go round
one, he might be the guy that I'm already envisioning is on
the Packers. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah. John Dawson is like draft
capital and that's the most predictive thing.
I know the other metrics aren't perfect, but if he goes round
one or top 40, like that's all you need.
And yeah. So you think what top of round
two is well within the range of outcomes for him?
I would say he is more likely to go round one.
Round two at this point. Yeah, you can definitely run
one. Wow.
I mean, this is 50/50 though, if we get what what is that?
What's the over-under right now? And wide receivers in round one.
Is it like five and a half? Yeah.
Five and a hot five and a half juice on the over I think.
And if we get six, that'll be a very fun Thursday night.
I think we might I mean yeah others take for a couple years
at just like the way that the NFL's going we had a draft a few
years ago where more cornerbacks were taken than ever before
obviously like we're seeing more Three and four wide personnel,
and teams, know, they need to be three and four receivers deep.
The receiver contracts are blowing up, it's I would take
the over on that. But same.
All right, what am I going to do here?
I'm going to tell you guy that I've taken an underdog drafts
because he's a name. I recognize but know nothing
about, but I'm going to take Isaiah Spiller here.
The logic, you're gonna tell me about it.
Tell me about it. Well, he's bombed, the combine.
So you're gonna love that. You're faster than he is that
one might not be. Does he have I really should
have done more research before the show tonight said no one
could say one. Nice thing about my fifth round,
pick here, No cheese. Is that aren't that much worse
than Bruce Hall. If you like if you don't like
breeze Halls athleticism, or the fact that he was a Workhorse.
But if you prefer, slow, can be back version of Bruce Hall.
Hey, this is this. I'm looking at the chat and Josh
right now. Josh, is he keeps saying this on
our podcast that Isaiah Spillers going to go rb2, he's yet to
tweet this if you would tweet it, then I would mention that
had Josh Norris tweets it. But he's not that confident yet
because you won't actually I'll just mention on our podcast in
passing. I need to tweet what kind of
back channels and Voodoo witchcraft is Josh Norris doing
these days to, you know, have a repeat of the summer of 59.
He's got to be, he's got to be sweating bullets right now.
I never know his sources ever. He doesn't share them.
I learned them at the same time everybody else does.
Wow, what if this guy keeps it close to the vest?
All right, I guess, I guess I just bombed this pic, Isaiah
Spiller. He was he was a reasonable pick
in this range, right? That we can say that.
Guys right. Please please say it.
I need to hear it. I kids probably there's a few
there's a few other guys over taken over.
All right. Fat you're up next guys.
I don't know if you know this but it's superplex.
Okay. We're trying to take guys are
gonna have a lot of value in are actually going to contribute to
us winning winning, you know, we're not trying to just like
pick our favorite backup running back, you know, in fourth-round
pick, Isaiah Spiller. Give me Matt Correll.
Haha. Like You can tell her get again,
the point where none of us have any reactions to any of these
pics. I've tried to look up out of
fucking spell, this guy's name is Carol.
There we go. All right, talk to me about Matt
Correll Pat. Well, he seems like a guy who
could like maybe go 20th, or maybe he maybe he's the guy that
a team trades up for at the in that 30 second spot and gets the
fifth round option on. But, you know, he's Not that
exciting, but he scrambles basically everyone in the class
scrambles he's got, you know, he's got some red flags, like
didn't have a ton of production in intermediate area, a lot on a
lot of rpos, like a lot of schemed up stuff, kind of like
there's worries. Like maybe he's just kind of a
system operator but maybe system, operator with some
Mobility. He's like a, he's like Jimmy
Garoppolo meets like Daniel Jones, rushing upside type of
situation which baby hey you know that for like three years.
Years in a super Flex week, seems okay, maybe even four
years, maybe that's gonna be a no five or six, dog.
I will say if we're doing one good thing tonight, I mean often
the the draft Community gets made fun of for having way too
lofty comps for all these players.
The next Tyree kill, I mean, we've swung in the other
direction where like, if we're lucky, this guy's a poor man
Daniel Jones. And I'm happy to draft that the
fifth route of this mock draft. I just like the big, the big
like Mega come to me, would be like, maybe more like a Russell
Wilson type is that insane Hayden, where you on that, I
would go athletic to, uh, to it has.
Let us see what the exact offense to is way more accurate
than that Corral's. But Chorale is way better of an
athlete like natural quickness and all that stuff, Matt, crowds
got. So it's really just like, how
much do you think he was a system quarterback?
How translatable is that? And I think the film grinder
Bros. Take that a little bit too
serious. And they think it's, it doesn't
translate at all where I don't know.
I feel like he did it in the SEC.
I feel like he's got at least a chance to do it.
So I think it is most kind of the Herbert stuff a little bit
where you're like, I don't like what he was doing.
Yeah. The Herbert thing was like, he
wasn't aggressive enough and I guess that's kind of like the
same thing with Matt Correll because it's like just throw a
freaking slant but I know he was Trucking people.
And running by people say, it's kind of its kind of interesting
player. Hayden would you have taken
Corral Over? Kenny picket, I had a ticket.
Then Willis then crowd, then Ritter, but they're like all the
I think pick us probably my qb1 may be not fantasy because it's
Maliki. Overheated hates upside.
Ha, ha ha. I know.
Can you pick? It was the one that is, like,
let me pull up his actual Is like 94th percentile EPA 83rd
percentile rushing EPA? Like, yeah.
What are we gonna eat? I know.
He's way older and like, yeah, the whole thing.
I'm not a huge believer but I got I think I think I'll go
round one. I think he's got the best odds
of like actually being a starter six years from now.
These other guys, I would say it's less than six years.
I don't know. It's I think six years.
You need someone to hit a ceiling because none of these
guys are old. Like seriously gonna be
immediate outcomes kind of need to retire.
This dude's All right, Gretch. You were on the turn?
OTC, double tap time. I have a lot of names that I
wanted pick here. Wow.
And I'm gonna take David Bell because I got to take a
receiver. It's been not enough receivers,
he's the classic. He's almost more of old-school
wrote of his guide and even like a sky more cut, right?
Because he's just like, he's not even athletic but he's just hits
on all the Dominator stuff. Everything you want, right?
Yeah, yeah and I think like a guy who could be really good in
fantasy even he's not like helping an NFL team all that
much kind of like a Jarvis Landry or something.
Right. He's like Jarvis Landry.
That's exactly that's what I keep hearing and I don't pretend
to be a prospect analyst but I want.
I want Jarvis Landry at this point in this draft.
I want this I'm looking for floor, looking for floor here,
the other pick. It's gotta be somebody that I
don't want to take. So I'm actually not going to
take him. I don't think another running
back and take her shot. White God damn it.
Ben I thought you was like, Ben's gonna give me two guys.
All know, Richard white is the receiving is sweet.
I mean, he's got the potential for like a three down roll,
right? Is he big enough?
How big is he? He's make us talk about it.
He definitely is a right. He's got size and receiving to
14. Yeah, I compared them to people
like this. He's got maybe maybe like a
slight downside. Comp would be like a Buck Allen,
but I think you'll probably have like a Kenyan Drake.
Type of career path most likely where like he flashes some, he
never kind of puts it together, but then like maybe we get a run
in there where it's really good, but but he also looks like a
fair amount like, Alvin Kamara, so to Kenny gain well.
So, like don't get carried away with that, but, but there is
serious upside with this. I mean, and and ran well right
pretty athletic for his size. So, we're, I mean, you could
also say, like the Antonio Gibson of this class, right?
If he lands in the right spot, if he gets drafted apple or, you
know, Hey so that him Daniel Jeremiah and Dana Burger haven't
tweeted out of that's what I keep coming back to is like
everything else is there and then like so I initially had him
like as my rb3 and then I was like well I already knows him go
in the fifth round. So like I've got to like pick
somebody that's actually going to have some draft Capital but
if he does go around three it's like it's time to buy.
Then we get excited. Okay, Hayden of these guys, and
I guess we can just toss the quarterbacks out, but which of
these do you think are the most undervalued right now in
Underdog drafts? Because I feel like a lot of the
wide receiver top-end. Guys have gotten pretty pricey,
but do you think there's still some meat on the bone for them?
Yeah, I think it would be like, Jameson Williams goes a little
bit late, even though he's gonna miss, like, the first month of
the Season or be part-time player, but I think he's gonna
get drafted very high. Hi.
And he goes like multiple a couple rounds after Crystal
David. And I think that he's just like
a better version. Of course a lava.
So, I would say him. Rashad white got steamed, pretty
high thing. Like some of the running backs
that we're coming up to like, sometimes they don't get drafted
in, like they're all the same bets and one of them will go 100
overall on. That would be the guy that you
least want some exposure to this audience.
Like this next here running backs is kind of that.
That spot people are says. We're confident in which ones
they take. Josh has wrote a Brillo pad is
faster, the David Bell Witch. Wow, I think I may have just
taken two guys that are going gonna go on day three.
I think I'll get robbed Capital. Just, you see, I'm gonna be the
winner of this, this Mock Draft. So Patty to wear you out on
bail. Do you think he's around three
pick still? I think so.
I think he still is the film. Ground is love that.
Dude, still. Alright, good.
Good. Nice it pat.
You were you going to take Rashad white if pendant?
Yeah. 100%. Or I would have taken David
Well, those would have been my toothpick.
So I like those, I feel like I haven't had one pick where you
guys were like, damn, PE snipe me.
All your research is going to waste Pete, all those hours of
research Chillin Burke, so, you know, I would have loved
everything. I have a few tricks up my sleeve
for the rest of this job. Let me, let me tell you Pat,
you're up next. I'll take Christian Watson,
goddamnit. That was aquick.
I didn't want to take. Yeah, I mean, it made sense.
Yeah, he didn't already talked about it like when a guy's gonna
go and around one like we should probably A pay attention, he
might go in round one, he's probably going to go around to
but that's about as late as it will get and he's super athletic
he like wasn't that efficient? Even with Trail ants in the FCS
it seems like might be a problem.
He fell for someone. It might be a comprehensive for
Watson but here's a use this data like in 2019 North Dakota
State supported three wide receivers or two point four five
yards per outrun or better on hundred-plus routes Christian
Watson had 2.86, that's pretty good.
Phoenix Sproles, 2.45 and jamika.
Puros led the team at 2.92 you're like making them out
around gross, you know. That's a simulation that is
Darren Sproles last name and just Phoenix the city, they just
really totally. Yeah, create a players were up,
were out fishing seeing this guy which, which is We an issue.
But hey, you know, he can, he can win deep, he's decently big,
he's really fast. He's really athletic.
And the NFL seems to like him. And I mean, just like, I've seen
that too with him squeaking into round one.
I mean, you just got him as the 10th wide receiver, and we're
still talking about a guy who could end up in round 1.
I mean, this is a pretty fun wide receiver class.
Yeah, I think it is. All right, it's time to pull the
trick out of my sleeve. What's the upside for whatsits?
Can you be Claypool? Like just has like an athletic
big dude, I had it more as like, I think you'd be like Marvin
Jones. OK.
You know, maybe a DJ shark, maybe maybe a Terry McLaren but
probably, you know, that's that's like this, his highest
level outcome and I said Darius Layton, is it up psycho?
Okay. Um, all right, none of you guys.
The fine print on this draft. Not only was it superflex, but
it's also tied in premium boys. Crazy cried.
Can't believe you guys let him smoke.
The other pic I was looking at, but I saw that patent even have
them as this tight on one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, nice.
Uh, nice job. Grab my ten and two, you know,
some of us grew up in Colorado. Some of us almost went to
Colorado State University of you know it's basically NFL you
these days. I Mean Michael Gallop with chart
Higgins. I mean I could go on a ride he's
had a pretty amazing career. John this is you know, every
site kind of has their own color schema.
I have my own color, schema for the ship chasing Google sheet
mock drafts. Yeah.
Dude, what about purple, man? We've got to you got to make the
time purple. I come on, I'll leave that to
the FPC. I mean, we're sticking with the
green here. I ain't going back and changing
this shit. Thank you.
Yes, Michael Gallup traffic, bride.
Michael Gap. All the legendary greats.
All right. Hated either, huh?
Give me as a mere whites. It's the same exact thing as
George Pickens where he was supposed to be a baller.
He's flash as a baller but he's been injured and if Georgia
thinks you're good and if you were a five-star recruit, let's
roll the dice. I think he's gonna still get
draft Capital, he's fast as hell.
And we'll see. I think the other things like
his receiving profile and all that stuff is not good.
All the none of the stats are good but he was losing playing
time to James Cook. Who's probably going to be a
third or fourth round, pick purely as a receiving back side.
Makes sense plus Georgia always has rotated their backs anyway.
So I think is a mere why it's like total boom-bust Prospect
but I think like three down player and a top 15 bat 15
running back is is within the range of outcomes Hayden.
Just reviewing your roster, absolutely love your wide
receivers. That's what I have a little
worried about your running backs, your quarterback said
you're tight ends because this is tied in preview.
Do it. Do you think that he marks?
All right, I'm having a rough show Hayden.
What's this is the zero are people.
You see here, he's executing a perfectly Hayden.
What do you think the Gap is between white and cook in terms
of their draft position? Toss up man.
I didn't probably do some okay 80th overall, some like that
interesting well I think tomorrow, I think Dean Brugler
shout-out dangerous. He's gonna tweet out his seven
round mock draft and we'll know exactly where all these guys
were supposed to go. So tomorrow you are you alert us
when the that yeah I'll make sure to let us know what you
guys should you would Josh had set up an underground tech
service that alerts people with there's a Dane Brugler tweet.
All right, you're next one more. I hope I know the position I'm
going to try to describe this player as vague as I can.
We're going to go James Cook who he was playing outside and
winning on double moves and can catch the ball.
Pretty fluently, out in space. I think he's not even gonna
ramp. We already met, you had you had
to go there, didn't run it back, I know but the other ones are
strong, you know. I've drafted all these dust
balls at the end of the, all right?
Has finally started drafting some running backs.
Anything else on on James Cook. I've drafted all the Georgia
guys, so hopefully that's good. Yeah, line.
I hear they won the national title?
Seems good shit. I'm back up.
Here's the thing though. Pat, yep.
I don't know if you heard, there's a Lee.
I like these two tight ends. Very, similarly, Jalen w-why.
You're gonna love his athletic profile and yerr.
This is what the wrasse this is called.
This is called fully tighten strategy.
This is unbelievable of his wrath right now.
Go to math long. I'm pulling up, I'm full up
doing burglars the beast on the ha ha ha, ha.
He hasn't like Titan 17. I thought this was your time to
know who is it in 1905, 50 140, dude, he might not get drafted,
it's not about speed. This guy is built to come in.
From day one, he does the little chip block and then releases
just trust the process. The next will definitely die.
Be you guys all acted like just fine.
So why why did you draft? Literally might be undrafted.
The thing is is tight and prenup.
You've got to take as many shots on.
These guys is hot outside in the rewards of hitting an elite
tight. End are just so incredible.
In Titans are notoriously hard to evaluate by the NFL.
And so I think you guys You know, just writing off Jalen
writer Meyer this early into his career, it's just bad processes.
You probably could have got him in like seven rounds but I had
this burden 25.5 25.5. So I am literally faster and can
jump higher than the guy just drafted, that can't be good.
The rookie draft I'm in, is in the middle of the fourth round
and it is tight and premium. It's not super Flex.
So there has not been as many key bees gone.
He has not been drafted yet. We're in the fourth round of
this, kind of previously cooked. Hey, get your guys.
Come on here. To get your guys, let's see
here. I'm gonna go watch some Jalen
tape after this the old silent real life.
I've been given a time. Well I it's hard for Korean to
have a second favorite tied in the class when I just took the
top two. But yeah, I feel like I need to
kind of set the record straight here.
I'm going to take my tight end one.
Still on the board of defeat troubles up inside.
I didn't even think there was a third tied into this class.
I'm gonna take Greg Dahl Stitch he's like a move tight end kind
of in the mic just sticky type of vein but he is shown he's
shown much better receiving skills in college than just
think you did. He's less athletic but he's
sufficiently athletic to where I think those receiving skills can
shine through. He's used deep.
Field, which is always really nice for a tight end deeper for
a tight end. Since 2015 only nine tight ends
have been selected on day one or two with a ten plus a DOT and
1.8 plus yards per hour on Kyle. Pits, teach at Hawkinson, no
offense, a hunter, Henry Dallas, Carter Max Williams, Jay Stern,
Burger Mark Andrews and Adam Troutman.
So it's a nice little groupies in.
I think he's going to end up being a day to pick, has a
chance to be around to pick, and he did not run a 50 142.
I spell his name, right? Pat.
Yeah. But I think that's correct.
Okay. Just making sure I was a little
hard with the with the you said it pretty quickly there.
Alright. That was a compelling case,
didn't believe any of it Gretch you're here.
So I can take one of my favorite sort of I don't know if you want
to call him a sleeper receiver but Justin Ross is a dude that
has had a bunch of injury issues as well.
So two similar to some of the guys that Hayden has been
discussed like Pickens and stuff, but his or like very
serious. But when this dude was a true
freshman, he led Clemson in receiving, yardage a Clemson
team that had Tegan's Travis etn, Amari Rogers, and Hunter,
Run 40, and this dude was a true freshman and led them in
receiving yardage. He was very good in a national
championship that year and I'm just hoping that he gets healthy
enough that we get to see something like that.
Because like, you get that good of production at 18.
I'm going to take the swing on it whenever I can and Ricky
drafts after, you know, J Lu advisors off the board.
I mean, to me, Jalen represents kind of the cliff, like, once
he's gone. You guys are all gone.
I actually do agree with that. That is good enough.
All right. It is tied, in premium, by the
way. I don't know if you've checked
the scoring settings and it is worried about your time
entitled, wolves off the board already.
I'm gonna I don't think this is the right receiver to take but
it's the one I want to take some going to take Jalen Tolbert.
Hmm, he's kind of fun. That was my Nest receiver.
Okay. I was thinking met you at the
ahead of him by struggle with that, for like the longest time.
I like flip flop them non-stop but okay, I did end up with
Tolbert the head over to four-year guy, right?
Small school, all that stuff, but really productive.
Yeah, five-year guy. And yeah, so he's even older,
but but very productive. So in a deep pot, all right, Pat
you just got sniped on wider Meyer and Tolbert retaken, So I
don't know if you guys know this but it is superplex.
I'm gonna go ahead and take Sam. Howell goddamn probably
shouldn't last this long. No he shouldn't have.
Yeah, that I was gonna scoop that value up but had to get
Jalen. This is a sharpening our swords
tonight. You know, we've entered the
battlefield of we're all going to be so much more prepared for
our drafts. It's true.
How was it better pick than than Tolbert at least?
Okay. I was like, actually a little
nervous. You might start me on that.
Yeah, I was gonna get hell. I was thinking of him.
After my last pictures he comes back.
I'm gonna have to take him and he didn't, I, where are you at
on? How in terms of his traps?
Because it seems like he's just gone, like, completely silent on
on him? Yeah, I have no idea.
It sounds like he can go to like round 3.
I mean, has anyone said a single positive thing about him right
now? Like that's kind of, is he?
He's like on the radar and then like I haven't heard anyone kind
of back them, don't know. I've watched them.
Relax, Bonefish would just do. Did I'm disgusted by my draft
right now. I took one more time steamer and
then I was on Mega till after getting sniped on Christian
Watson and things have gone downhill, but it's time to get
it back on track. Let's get back to my piss boy.
Ways John mechi a name. I've heard at least.
Three or four times. What school did he guns?
Good. Bama Alabama, wide receiver.
You is what they call it. Mari Cooper, Devon to Smith
loads of them. Jameson Williams.
One of the greats to come out of Alabama, Eddie Lacy really smart
Brian Robinson. Another one of the greats, one
of the greats, I mean I don't think you need anything special,
but if you can fall forward a couple times in a bye week and
maybe catch a couple passes and garbage time, I'll be happy for
it. Eddie jr.
Do I normally see a junior effect on there?
We have a junior here. Okay.
Well, you have the Junior and the Alabama wasn't kidding.
And, hey, who is gonna be, or, or do we want to wave the White
Flag? It is, Is it through 8th routes
or could you guys? I think we want to give you
wanted to you. Let's keep going this.
All right, I'm going to go with the guy that we were thinking
about waving the white flag with and I'm gonna go Cleo Stricker
after all. I have a guy's not have to pick
him. I think he's gonna get drafted.
Topo like might be like 100 overall somewhere in that range,
maybe starting the slaw and The dude lived in Hawaii and Japan
and stuff and I'm just in a bad ass.
Wow so many good names left right?
How about this? I've heard this.
Someone actually said this name in the chat earlier night and
this is good enough reason for me.
Alex Pierce out Pierce. Yeah I'm in.
Thank you. It's a really good picture.
What do you like about them? I love that you were like Alec
Alex with somebody. Um I like that he's part of a
really deep wide receiver class and I consider him part of that
death. Hold a package.
Serious question though for you. What aside from aside from draft
Capital? What is the difference between a
life peers and Christian Watson? Like, literally nothing, yeah,
dancing with you and told her and that's my can imagine
drafting Christian Watson and the six when Alec Pierce is
there for you in the night. I literally said to myself,
Arbitrage, rich and Watson, as I typed it in.
All right? Pat you gotta try to read Eve
your draft because yeah, I'm reeling.
Now I'm gonna go with Tyler algier.
Finally took a running back. Geez, this guy.
Yeah, was worried about your running backs there.
Yeah, he's like got some decent. Versatility is actually like it.
Okay, pass catcher. And he's big and he's going to
be kind of a downhill guy, but he could like do enough as a
pass, catcher to be, be like a, like a later career, Jordan
Howard. We got thrown to a tiny bit, but
he's basically like a Jordan Howard play.
Now, that's exciting. Pete.
This is like where it really were.
The class gets. Yeah, he don't tell anyone but
I'm looking up Pat's tight end rankings right now so I can
figure out. You're not gonna like what you
find. Trust me we're point where I
don't know. You don't want to use his
rankings any rankings. That doesn't have Jalen as a
tighted to Levis. I'll throw it out the fucking
window. I'm going to take, who was my
first pick? Rondell Robinson.
I think that's how he's like sort of fun, right?
He does a lot of interesting things.
Say he's describing prospects, like me.
I mean, he's the dude who's up in Miami from Kentucky?
Yeah. Isn't he the new Lynn Bowden?
Is that? Am I doing this, right?
Yeah, I probably probably. But that was bad.
Oh well, I didn't go with siding back up or down.
That guy that got cut and then signed to the never really
played on either team. He's like, he's like a nun
athletic. Curtis Samuel or something
cheese. These comps are just getting
brutally harsh. I mean, what is Curtis Samuel?
If he's not athletic, he's wandering around.
I'm gonna go away from Pat's tight end rankings here because
the guy he has third It's drama Capital over on grinding the
maucks. It looks really close to Jaden
wider Myers so I'm going to take, I'm gonna take Jelani
Woods Jelena. Yeah, yes.
I'm this guy's big and I was like this T, drips, man, his
highlight tapes, insane, let's do it.
How do you spell that? Je L.
Am I, what's what? Yeah, I mean, when I watch this
tape, you definitely reminds me of a poor man's Jalen wider
Meyer. That's not a bad thing.
I've eat a lot of Titans would kill to be a poor Vance.
Jalen, I am happy. You finally took care of this.
Structural gaping tight end hole in your rocking.
My team's is balances, it gets. It's very nice.
Crane, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna snipe Hayden.
May And go Damien Pierce. Okay, sniped officially.
All right. He's a underused, underused
running back committee guy, but showed really nicely in what he
did, and he's got some size and hate and declared him this
year's highlight Champion. If you want to watch highlights
of anyone, you watch them at Damien Pierce.
All right. I'm going to draft a guy that I
have legitimately taken on Underdog multiple times despite
knowing nothing about him. Karen Williams seems about the
time. Your team is the all I did watch
the combine team Ivy, the shift a lot of guys, like guys don't
go to the combine. A lot of guys do pro days than
those numbers are all messed up. I mean, the combine, it's pretty
Antiquated at this point and I kind of just trust what I see on
the draft. Our names.
Thank you, Doug, I agree. He's gonna be great for this
squad will check in on these teams after the draft.
We'll see who's laughing, when Karen Williams goes late, sixth
round, great idea. All right, head,
Pierre. Strong.
Okay? For me fast like maybe this
year's. If everything goes well could be
this year's the 49ers running back and forgetting his name was
really good. He liked me this year's Eli
Mitchell. That's the case.
The bulk is I'm in on that and bouquets the lid bowed.
Wow, at least like I was good. I think, I think we want to we
want to do another round. I think we're okay let's write
it back. I do have a guy that I can't
believe you guys have left up here.
So yeah we should probably do we go one more than I wanted to?
All right, pat pat got scared, you know.
He's writing up all his rookie blurbs and he had to leave the
show because he doesn't know any more players, some of us are out
here still hanging in there. He's just rolling Dane burglars
Twitter feed looking at Ya, whereas me, like, if you want to
be like, oh, everyone's just projecting their own process
element. The best way to describe my mock
drafting prowess would be to say that Pete's.
Got that dog in him. You know, I keep going names for
Dave. Alright, Aid your final pick in
this beleaguered drawn-out, log X draft.
Um, I'll go Isaiah, likely die. Then, Fuck.
You want to make the case for him Pete?
Honestly, I see a lot of day lid.
It is changing. He's fast, he's big.
I could see him with Tom Brady. I think that would be awesome.
Anything else to add to that Hayden?
Yeah, I'm ready. Projecting him on the the
Packers with Rogers and okay. That seems like a great fit.
Yeah. Okay.
Alright. That was the next.
He was even higher than Woods in our grind.
The moxon, projected draft couple, but just by a touch, but
he's expected to go reasonably high.
Right? Head, is that right?
Third round, maybe. Yeah.
Probably, third, fourth. Fifth.
I have no idea. Yeah.
All right. So so I didn't classes like
sneakily worse than the running my class.
It's just like after the top two guys.
It's just like, Just tell me where they get drafted.
I don't want to have to rank. Well, let me build a case for a
guy that might be. So this guy Profiles In some
ways like a satellite back. He shares a lot of similarities.
You had Hines and dmytryk Felton but poor scores in a loop is
Miss and Breakaway ability. Make it harder to view instead.
He profiles more like a smaller. Mike Davis or a bigger Philip
Lindsay. He probably won't be dynamic
enough to carve out a dedicated receiving like to recall a
Heinz. Telling me about my pic from
earlier today, ask him what his thoughts were on this.
But he has a shot as operating as a 1A back with a receiving
roll dot dot dot. If the right situation emerges,
I do have a third-round Prospect great on him.
So that's not too bad. It is, of course, Pilar Baddie
believe it's baby. These guys are just numbers on
the field for us. Great.
Pick the right. Pat yeah, pretty solid.
Thank you. I watched about five minutes of
highlights is early today. Was was blown away.
No. But this guy seems like he's not
big buddy. Runs forward doesn't dance if
you will thank you. Ryan, coogler knows what's up
with the tight ends, 30 in the Beast.
Just like I'm beasts in this draft, your up, Pat last pick.
All right, I'll go with Charlie Kohler.
Okay, that was my backup. Pick you assholes.
All right. He's he's probably going to be
like Tyler higbee or something. And, and will probably take
three years to turn into anything just like it.
We did but hey, once water marks off the board?
How do you spell this guy's name?
What position does he play? Well they are.
He's the other tie then he's patched tight and three.
Yeah, he is my 10:30 but you know it's it's pretty big tear
break after McBride. CK it is stretch mr.
Irrelevant and I don't say that term lightly have.
Anyone has literally took my Jerome Ford is the next running
back. That seems to be reasonable to
consider. I don't know anything about him.
I like in a better for you. All right, that works Hayden.
Who you take care? Man, I guess pick for been drum
Ford. Yeah, there it is.
There you go. All right, ciao.
Let us know real quick. 01. Bailey's a p.
We can take Bailey's a be here. Some people think he's a good
superflex. Got to get that s QB here in the
final round. Wow, type Gretch.
If you think Gretch one, the mock draft karein, Pete or
Hayden, give it a t-shirt away. If you say Pete, I'll post it on
Twitter dick but thank you, Sam. I appreciate that.
Thank you, Josh. Hey, what am I did win this
Jeff. That's okay.
Thank you guys. The chat gets it.
Hayden. Any final takeaways from this
exercise. Are you less excited or more
excited about this draft class. After going through this sounds
like a great Ask the depth, the depth of this draft.
It's not about the top. It's about this.
That's right. All right, let's make this
official because it does look like I ran away with this in the
chat. Let's do hashtag Jalen.
I will use the stream yard giveaway tool here and I will
winner will get a gift card to the ship chasing store.
It and Hayden. What else can the people as
these votes? Um, in hashtag Jalen.
What can they be looking forward over on Underdog as we head up
to the draft? Well, first thing rookies and
sophomores draft. It's for person drafts just like
how this, but with the sophomore class, which is actually good.
So, those drafts are fun. We have a tournament like
100,000 and those will close right at the draft, and there's
not that much content about it. So, if you can find some
content, you can probably smoke some, some of these people
drafting because Niche games, right?
It is, yeah, we've got a, we've done a few of those on here.
A lot of fun, I've gotten distracted with the superflex
drafts but we're gonna have to Circle back to those those soon.
And you have like a real decision to make at the top with
the quarterbacks because like you gotta wait into the Waters
of this quarterback class for you have to pay up for the
sophomore. Quarterback sits.
Pretty interesting grach, you getting back into Grind Mode
after the trip feeling refreshed.
Yeah, did a stealing bananas pod yesterday?
Going another one tomorrow we're getting back in the flow for
with that. We'll do a little writing this
week on the prospects as well. I think or next week I want to
write a little bit about college targets per outrun.
So I've done some research into that, nice kind of fun.
Something that I don't know is going to add a ton of value to a
lot of the stuff that's already looked.
At and in all the good models out there but I think it's at
least interesting. Some of my preliminary stuff has
been been interesting to dig into.
So would you be interested in perhaps a guest section within a
post? May be breaking down some of my
thoughts on the tight end? Yeah.
Draft class specifically 11 name is what I'm looking for.
You I'll have a thousand words for you on Jalen wider Meyer.
Pat, what are you working on? That I have my side and rankings
out, came out today. I'm working on my quarterback
ranks to finish up all of my rookie ranks are they have the
running backs and wide receivers out.
And we've talked about a few times, I'm going to have the
Embargo on the podcast. Tomorrow goes, oh he's on the
Pod. Come on, you help that until the
Five, we really gotta drop the bomb.
Holy cow, that's how you do. How am I going to sleep tonight?
Yeah, hate is going to be in your DNA's with all these
questions. He was you to Pepper.
Why only got 30 minutes? I got a 30 minute window to ask.
Why is he dude? So okay, so SkyWars
Live in yet only 16 in here. So good odds, for the people who
entered the winner of the ship chasing gift card is none.
Other than our W Bonefish, who came in here and told me hallo
my pick for trash. That's why tomorrow was does he
was the first one who really talking to me.
Alright. Bonefish, message me on Discord
or Twitter. Give me your email address and I
will get you a gift card. Appreciate all of you.
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Reciate you guys hang out with us.
Big thanks to Hayden Winks for joining us.
I will never forget all the Jalen haters.
We will see you next week.