Alright guys, I feel like in previous years we would do the
show and mid-july with drafting season was just getting rolling.
But in 2023, the year of Our Lord, the year of our best ball
Lord, we are doing this show in May because drafting season is
just firing Fast and Furious. We got to bring On our guy,
Eric, buying for from Spike weak.
King Galaxy brainer with us. A few years ago, we did the show
and we flipped the ATP in the puppy on its head.
And so we're going to see what we can cook up tonight.
Kind of our first kind of pullback looking at this
drafting landscape. What's going on in drafts?
What can we do to lever? Ourself up to first place, it's
ship chasing with Eric fine for let's do it.
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Good doing good. Eric how many how many did you
Max the first poodle? I want to know how in deep are
you. I did Max the first poodle, I'm
in the midst of Maxine Maxine. The second poodle because I'm
using these, it's a perfect time for the show as like
experimental grounds. So, I drafted 100 % 0r B teams
in the first poodle. And I mean, one, mr.
Jeff ting. I'm drafting 100% hyper fragile
teams in the second poodle and I want to kind of see you know
what, the difference looks like in my portfolio between the two
and I'm not like doing anything crazy like massaging exposures
and all that, but just running running, you know, some Galaxy
brain experiments. I want to see what the team's
look like when I do those things and that tournaments, like, so,
perfect for. Do you, do you have you found
like when you did your 0r B experiment?
Did you find yourself? Get it.
Obviously, you're getting different drafts.
Lots. But did you find yourselves
having Very similar a great time it.
Did you have you find yourself getting like the same players a
lot specifically when you got later in the draft?
Yeah, so I've found so far that with the hyper fragile.
It's been even more, so because late wide receiver is so bad and
every single draft, I'm having to take wide receivers in like
all with all of my last pics and so I watch Nico Collins, do,
yeah, Nico Collins, Jaden read. Write these guys taekwon
Thornton are on, like, Team, they're on like every single
team. The 0r B Teams.
Drafted Robert Woods. Absolutely not.
Come on. No.
Okay. You're not doing high for
fragile real. Then man, come on.
Robert Woods is how you do it. This is my hypergamy targets
early gate, there's no capitulation in this hyper
fragile structure. Okay, we're drafting my hyper
fragile teams, that's young wide receivers of the back.
And although there's some there's some pretty gross guys
that are that are included in here too, but I found 10 running
back. It's usually like one or two.
Two of my kind of flag. Plant 0r B guys that I get
really overweight on. So for me personally, everybody
that probably has listen to me is sick of me.
Talking about Damien Harris, Damien Harris, just one of my
like 10th 11th round picks. That I'm kind of slag planting
at his pricing. He obviously fits a 0r B Team
like a glove and so I had like 65% Damien Harris or something
like that and then a lot of some of those other guys that I like,
I know you guys are on chuba, lots of Chu.
Ubah lots of Jalen, Warren those guys but it is a little bit more
spread out versus I'm finding the robust or the hyper fragile
teams is like dude you're just take I'm just clicking.
Jaden read in the 60s around every time or whatever because I
need him. I need that kind of a Player is
taking that much hairs keeping you off.
Like where are you at on Rashad penny?
Semaj perine JJ Dillon, I guess is a little earlier.
I'm looking at the ATP around Harris, are you fine?
Oh, Antonio Gibson's the other one.
We talked about a little bit on any PJ's in this week.
I mean we've talked with about on ATP chasing this week, a
little. I really love that pocket of
running backs. Harris is definitely a part of
that, but I'm curious, if your consolidation on Harris has kept
you off some of those other running backs.
It hasn't but that's because I'm also willing to make sure I get
so pennies, probably my second favorite God, in that group.
And so I'm willing like they both.
A very similar adp's. I'm willing to go a little bit
early on one to get both of them and then Gibson say we're on the
same guys. Everyone that you just named
Gibson is a priority for me, they're like I love Harris but
I'm also not going to forego James Cook in those those
structures as well. And so there's just that
basically getting everybody from hate to say, it from David
Montgomery down to, like Antonio Gibson.
And, and that all in that range, I'm just, you know, I'm just
getting old though, starting are you starting kind of past the
hair? Rose Pacheco type arrange, the
Dobbins Harris. So we did tweak it a little bit
richer earlier. Yeah, yeah.
So we did tweak at Spike. We Pat knows you guys know, you
can kind of see some of our definitions of our structures
and last year and in the prior Year's 0r B was a little bit
different in the running backs. Didn't get pushed down quite
this much so it, we usually categorized it as sixth round
and later is your first back for a 0r B Team, you know, we just
have Draw a line in the sand. It at a certain point, we could
argue about fifth round or whatever.
We moved it up to the fifth round this year because of how
heavy the wide receivers are early.
And so I do still have some Dobbins Damien Pierce and those
guys and that they are counting as a part of this Aaron Jones
list sprinkle of Aaron Jones right?
Those guys are mixing into this as you're trying to do this
really strictly. So if you have a really great
value in the fourth round of running back, you won't take him
unless he falls again to the fit.
Correct. Oh yeah.
How many like seventeenth and eighteenth round running backs.
Have you taken? Because that is a really rough
spot for running back because, like, we mentioned, like after
Cuba, Jalen Warren Singletary, after those, guys, you feel
confident have kind of an rb2 roll, like, your rookies, like,
guys, we like, but they could legit BRB fours on their own
team. See, that's where the, the
initial question you asked, like, are you getting a lot of
the same guys that's where this comes into play from 40 R&B?
So for me even than a hyper fragile build now, the 18th
round wide receivers a little different.
Like, I mean, it just pick one. I don't know.
They're all terrible. Like you'll see.
Will I will correlate those guys but you also run into a lot of
similar correlations in hyper fragile because you're locked
out of the elites tax basically right?
You're taking running backs early so you're not you're not
stacking the Dolphins because you're never drafting Tyree kill
and Jalen waddle or or maybe you know you take Tyree kill and
then you take second round running backs but Way with the 0
RV thing, I found myself more able to fluctuate through.
So, like one of my guys would be like, Eric gray, you mentioned
like young rookie back there at that.
I'm kind of excited about, will he beat out, Matt Breda and Gary
bright. Well, I have no idea why, but,
why are you excited about like, a 205-pound back that really
like a 416 like this, dude, he's like a smaller less effort of
slightly more athletic version of Gary Brightwell, like, that's
what we're talking about, right? So, that would He would be
better than Gary Brightwell who he needs to beat out all the
guns back up. He's like 20 times more.
So is apparently to, you have to be 225 to be a viable fantasy
back. Again, don't drive forces you to
be more than two. Anyway, we're going off the
rails. Ignore are ignore, the Eric gray
mention, but you tell me then Gretch you this awesome 18th
round running back that but point being I'm psychic I'm able
to cycle through all those guys because they're all total lat.
Free tickets. Right?
Yeah, I guess. Yeah.
I can. I like targeting the high-value
back fields. Like so like the Chargers.
No one wants to click Josh Kelley.
I don't want it. I don't want to click jelly but
like I'm going to cycle through those guys in the eighteenth
round on teams where they make sense because I just need to hit
an absolute home run with one of these guys, right?
I need Heckler to go down. I need sake, want to go down, I
need mixed in to go down or whatever in one of those spots.
So I've been able to cycle through those guys a little bit
better where wide receiver It's tough, man.
It's there's there's no fun lottery tickets at wide receiver
late, generally speaking, I said, Kyle Phillips today so I
know how you feel. That's Pat, yeah, those were the
item s iske today because that didn't want to take Terrace
Marshall, that's how I just took care of martial art, you know,
we had DJ charge, I stand by it. If you're gonna take shark in
another Panthers receiver late, you take the guy plays in the
slot, all right, tres leche ice, making a play.
As well, but I won't well in that is the thing too.
Like, if you were hammering, you know, in August, we start to
have there are way more options for like the late rounds. 0r B,
guys, whereas right now I find myself like pulling up a little
early but then I end up with the same guys, Jalen Warren Shuba
Singletary because I feel confident about those guys.
It is like an interesting thing like Sean.
Today got me to draft Zach Evans on a team, you know, mixing in a
little bit of those guys. Good mix.
I've sort of mixing him in. Yeah, because at least like, you
can tell yes. Could he be the rb3 behind
Chiron Realms? Absolutely.
But you can tell a pretty easily easy story of why he would be
the RV to hire. Yeah.
For sure. This approach is definitely
interesting, Eric, but have you considered just letting the drop
fall to you? We're going to talk.
We're going to talk about that. That's one of my gut.
That's one of my Galaxy brain takes that we've taken the
whole. Let the draft fall to you too
far. Wow.
The have you found it? Were there any other interesting
things from hammering? The 0?
BRB stuff? Have you found yourself in wide
receiver? Avalanche rooms, or have you
basically been able to get whatever wide a you like in that
experiment? I found that even when I know
I'm gonna my goal is to be out ahead of everyone at wide
receiver. It's still hard on this again,
this is on Underdog. DraftKings is different drafters
is different ffp. See I'm sure is different on
Underdog. Specifically for me.
What I found in this is just a personal take if you like guys
after this, that's totally fine but Rashad Bateman in the 90s is
like this cut off of when he's gone.
I don't really want any of these guys, I've talked myself into
Elijah more, like, obviously, I'm willing to kind of forgive
last year, on him a little bit, but like, Russia bait me like
I'm really excited about Richard Bateman.
So like I like I want to draft and he might end up being my
highest own wide receiver. But like dude that's not even to
pick 100 and if I don't have an especially in a 0, RB build, you
know, if I don't have five by that point in the 0r B build
like I'm really hurting a wide receiver because I'm already
chasing it running back. I might be chasing it tight end
or quarterback or something to. And the point of the extreme
strategy is to basically dominate every position.
But one generally speaking, right?
Of course, you can combine strategies but the, I, the
premise is that I'm giving up running back points.
Hoping to hoping to kind of lock box something throughout the
season, right? Luck box some early production,
run into some contingent value but I need to be good everywhere
else and I'm finding it's not that easy to be good at wide
receiver. Even in a 0r B team on.
Out. And like I was taking detours to
tight end and quarterback just to kind of see how that work
too. And sometimes you run into you
got for Rashad Bateman goes earlier, right?
Then you then you want you got four wide receivers through nine
rounds and you don't even love your wide receivers in a 0 in
the z-row, our B team. And like, that's a problem.
Like, that's something that that like, that's probably been the
biggest thing I've learned so far, which I, you mean, you
don't love you, don't love the final receivers or you don't
love correct or that you got A little bit of both.
Yeah, a little bit of both because I think the first the
top you need to be able to back in the day when you ran 0r B get
for like top 20 Superstar Achievers on the same team.
Yeah. Tamar Chase when the fifth round
as a rookie Jamar Chase. When the fifth round is rookie T
Higgins. Went similarly to him right to
vantaa Smith was a seventh-round pick the year.
Cooper cup broke out. He started in the sixth round,
right? These guys are second-round
picks. Now I'm not saying specifically
those names but those archetypes are at worst third.
For, and then there's this this year, in particular, is so crazy
to me because that fourth round of wide receiver Ike.
You can tell yourself a story about all of them right from
from Ridley Ridley, Amari Christian Watson, DeAndre
Hopkins, Cherry Judy, DJ more Etc.
Drake London, you can tell yourself scores the Chargers
guys. I don't like dislike any of them
really in a vacuum but I also don't love those guys, being my
wide receiver two or three, even on a 0, right?
Infecting right, then you go further, you're like the Bucks.
I mean, Chris Godwin's, really good.
He's one of my favorite players but like his Baker, Mayfield
going to hold them up. You know, and canaries, Tony is
going, is going to go in the 60s here, pretty soon.
Like, I really like him. I'm willing to make that bet but
life, we're really pushing, you know, the limits here of
canaries Tony, so it might not hold any Tony that's entire
year. It tried this good.
Tony guy that eludes me in like every draft like yeah every time
I think to grab them like, oh, someone already, I'm not
reaching for it. Tony and he never Falls.
So it's actually like I'm gonna have a big fade Which is the
problem, right? Because I'm not saying that's he
right or wrong. That's, that's personal
preference, but like there are only so many up side bets at
wide receiver, like, I like, I kind of like deante, Johnson or
whatever, but like, this is still, I like to Johnson, but
this is still deante. Johnson on a Kenny picket
offense, maybe pick. It just does take a leap.
That's something but like half. PPR, deante Johnson.
He's more of like a. Okay.
I don't hate this, but he's probably not winning me.
This whole thing you What I mean, we used to get that guy in
that in the 70s. We used to get that guy in this
in that at that range where it was like.
Yeah dude. I could tell myself a story
about how this guy absolutely wins me this whole damn
tournament, right? That's where Stefon Diggs went
when he went to the bills, you could get Alan and digs in that
range. And now and now Calvin Ridley
goes in the middle of the third row, the third round, and he
hasn't even played in a year and a half, so it's just a crazy
landscape. Yeah, it is and it's like you
were rattling off those fourth round wide receivers and it
always feels so gross when you get there.
It's like I almost like some of those six seventh round wide
receivers more. We're in like the George Pickens
trailing Burke's Gabe. Davis John, Dodson range, where
it's like, that tear. Isn't that different from the
fourth round wide receivers. The problem is in the fourth
round, there's no good detours, right?
Mark, Andrews off the board. The other Titans are going in
the fifth, there's no good running backs going in.
The fourth gives is going off the board before their it.
So it's Like you're stuck taking those guys or what a Fields,
maybe Alomar Falls, but that's like what you're looking at.
That's where. Can we just get the point quick?
DJ more conversation out of the way, but where I am willing to
take a like a Fields DJ more stack or I'm, I am personally
mixing DJ more in and so it's because I agree that from a
median perspective, DJ more, like the, our whole like bubble
is out on him and that cost is probably a little bit too high,
but I think, That's not taking into account.
Absolutely everything. So I'm not so like Pat's talking
about may end up with a hard fade on canaries.
Tony even if you think DJ more is a little overpriced in a in a
vacuum, I mean I don't personally if you still believe
in him as a player don't don't know that I would take a, you
know, a total fade on him because like, who are you fading
him for ya in the, in the, in the Forefront, like Jerry Judy,
you know, like Mike Williams Keenan Allen like, you know,
Christian Watson. And I think I've been more gonna
see more trade sometimes Drake London.
Yep. Somebody who's been a big more
fan throughout but like I think I joked a couple places and I
think in the in the write-up I did that like part of it is
because I would like to still make that I don't want the year
the DJ Mike. I still do believe that he's a
good player. I don't want the year that he's
hitting to be the year that I'm not on him at all and I think
your idea of like a don't make sounds like a total Fate on him.
Yeah I mean I want to 0% or seven position on him.
I'm also not really feeding DJ more at times.
I think when he was going in the early 4th I wasn't taking much
of them, I was kind of mix them in because I kind of but more
from like what been saying of like I just don't want to be out
on DJ more this year, but this doesn't feel good.
But I've kind of enjoyed is he's fallen down to the 45 turn area.
I think there's a lot of fun stuff you can do.
I so I wrote an article daring my, my This night, my
quarterbacks, I take it back, no take-backs, Dan Zack, just
sniped me on fields when he had my homes, and I really really
did and really tilted me, but I stand back the leg up sub.
I don't know. He's a, he's a spike week.
He's a spike weeks up. I shouldn't be leaking personal
information, but he's probably using the tools to dominate the
guy who just won best of all. Yeah, he tilted me.
I was, I was super tail because I, I took the DJ more and I had
looked and I saw he had Mahomes and someone else had burrow or
something, or know what it was. It.
Someone had had like, Chase and Higgins.
So I knew and Borough was still available as well.
So I knew he was going to take her.
Oh, and now the guy had like hurts sounds like I'm fading one
dude in this whole group to take fields and he didn't have any
bears and I just like I'm making this bet so I took more and it
come back came back around and right right before me I got
tonight, don't feel it. But that's that's kind of fun
and I've pulled it off successfully.
And when you pull it off successfully, and it's helped by
the fact that burrow is now falling, and you can take a look
to see. Oh, is there a Higgins chase
after you have two seconds? Chased after you can push fields
around the corner and that makes grabbing more there in the late.
Fourth way. More palatable to me.
It's almost like he felt to the fifth because you're getting
this, you're like forcing the board to give you this value on
fields. There's a lot of fun floors,
Miss price by like 2 + rounds though.
I mean I just I think you should be a mid fifth.
Things about a mid fifth value. I don't my counter.
My counter is the upside case. So I've thought a lot about
this, I promise because I seen it triggered me all the DJ more
hate because I still am. Pretty interested in him in a
median, projection, what we view of the bear situation, is a very
run-heavy offense that can't support the wide receiver.
What is he like the wide receiver 24 or something like
that? Now I can't find it.
I just either 23. Yep.
Three. So right.
So but he's been in bad situations and he's been close
to this before. What Sam Donald's, PJ Walker and
Commercial he's had in full point, PPR was, I think wide
receiver 25. Yeah, well and stir.
Yeah. And so, I think we've taken what
happened last year with the Bears, a smidge too far in the
DJ more fun. Now, like I said, so we just did
some projection. We're building projections at
Spike week to and he is a agree with you.
He's more More of like a fifth roundish guy.
I do think it's a smidge, overpriced, but he's definitely
overpriced, but I don't think it's to the point where we need
to hard fade. I mean, my counter would be this
point. You're making of made the exact
point with. I remember AJ Brown second year
in the fourth fifth round on the medium projection.
And I don't agree on DJ more, like, it's not a point that.
So, but been like you're saying two rounds, I mean, I know you,
I think it's this whole range is dramatically impact.
The only thing you can argue is that the Bears are going to be
substantially different than last year.
So passionate take about about this.
So that is not how a projection should work.
You are you're anchoring to last year a one-year sample with
which was not the same team and it was an anomaly, their pass
rate was an absolute take. Take.
It's yours rest, right. But it's not talking about a
talking about. I'm talking about a range to.
You can't use last year as the Baseline.
Is what I'm saying, saying. DJ more is true rounds
underpriced. Ice is saying lash.
So what people will do and I see this on Twitter all the time is
they'll take last year and they'll say, they have to
increase their pass rate by X percent just to get the league.
Average last year was the anomaly.
And from a statistical like projection perspective, you
almost would rather throw out the anomaly and start at League
average and then start to ding them down from League average,
right? And I think what we're doing
with DJ more is starting and looking at last year and saying,
oh my God, look at the Bears because I do I see it too.
Doesn't feel good, but we're saying they're never going to
throw right coming in to the NFL, the take on Justin Fields.
Was he didn't run enough? Right, the take on Justin feels
was he wasn't running at Ohio State.
He was just a pocket passer even though he's this freak huge
monster freak athlete. Now, because last year, they had
the worst defense in the NFL. They had no one that could get
open and they had the worst offensive line in the NFL.
So yeah, they just ran the ball and Justin Fields took sex.
But like they upgraded, they invested in the offensive line
with a Top 10 or whatever 11, pick whatever Dontrelle right
was, they signed it the guard from Tennessee, they traded for
DJ more, a super star wide receiver, they traded for
Claypool last year. They drafted a tight end and
they drafted Tyler Scott and they drop the Roshan Johnson
who's like more of a passing down type back every indicator
is telling you maybe don't want to run like that and so I want
to project them more closer to like not League average.
They're going to be a little bit below League, average League
average, but like if fields Merges with DJ more together.
Like, the upside case has to be valued in to and the floor has
been great for him on the Panthers before.
So so my there's a lot of great stuff.
You just said they're my biggest counter would be if we're using
last year as a baseline he's still not a sixth or seventh
round value. There was not a Chicago Bears,
receiver that was anywhere near worth at that pass, volume
anywhere near Earth can worth considering it even if you say
like that past volume was just like the median or the Baseline
of some type of range. But You wouldn't, you wouldn't
if you would have known something like that was even
like moderately possible, but likely was like, your bass line
going into last year, you wouldn't have drafted any bears
receiver, and you wouldn't this year, either, even in the sixth
seventh round, it would be. We're talking double-digit
rounds for every single pass, catcher on the roster because it
was that bad. I do think it's going to
regress. The question of does the
scramble rates a crate? The the massive amount of
Dropbox that didn't end in pass attempts?
Does that all regress, does the pass rate?
Called pass rate, regress, right?
And then you still have to hit, you know, you has to be
efficient on a new offense. We know why she is teams have
issues. No, I know he is, he's very good
but he got out the other down efficiency your last year.
Unfortunately, it's harder Sprout.
Run fell. Last year.
I still think he's a star. I'll absolutely love him.
I want to bet on his talent but the the the ways that his Pat
like I think you're glossing over, how bad the pass rate can
be there, the ways it has to regress are like multiple
layers. He's of called past plays the
outcomes on the pass plays. I do think they're gonna throw
more. I think.
Absolutely. That's a focus of course, that
would be a focus after the season.
They just had. They literally had the lowest
pass attempts per game in like 40 years since the strike
shortened 1983 year other than I think there's one team that had
fewer pastimes for game was a 1990 Raiders.
So in 33 years, I think it was the fewest pastimes for game if
I'm not mistaken. I mean, just an absolutely
insane. Season and that's not, that's
not the, you know, that's not the Baseline in any way but I
don't think you can just look at that in a regress to something
normal. Without, you know, acknowledging
that the range is still pretty absurd in the - oh the range is
very much absurd. So I just what you're saying,
reminding I just watched are. Have you guys watched the movie
are, you know, the the Jordan and I first of all, you got you
have to watch it, it's amazing but But Matt Damon is pick, Ben
Affleck, is Phil Knight. Matt Damon is Sonny, Vaccaro and
he's pitching him this idea, right of creating a shoe around
Michael Jordan, right? And and he's like Ben Affleck's
is Mike like we're going to create a shoe and build this
around this rookie. Like Magic Johnson doesn't have
his own shoe and Matt Damon says exactly.
Like that's what I'm that's, that's my point and when you
were saying like it's going to like when you kept mentioning
regression, my whole point is last year.
Just You just defined an anomaly season, that doesn't happen, and
so you can't attach everything that you're expecting in terms
of regression from last year. For, for this year's off, the
Baseline should be already a default, you know, shifted
regression, like, and that's why I'm saying, I'm saying even
despite that, I still think a fourth-round receiving.
This offense is crazy. What's I think this?
It's dip. The ceiling is just in Fields as
good. They throwing just a Fields
good. Well, also the ceiling NG is in
week 16 in week, 17. The Bears at wasn't first, the
Cardinals and Falcons in DJ more gets loose for multiple bombs,
like the telling yourself a story of DJ more going off
against two weak-ass opponents at home in the fantasy.
Playoffs is like the easiest story to tell you like last
year, we Mike Evans, went was a low Advance rate player over
drafted in the second round and went fucking nuclear and week
17, DJ more of that at a three-round discount.
I don't even think I don't even think I guess.
Case the upside down discounted from DJ more right now.
He's wise, he's one of my highest roster players and name
saying, I mean, the point about going off and you can make some
tea isn't argue. I just have to anyone at there a
dino. That's why I don't think that's
that's not the upside case. The upside cases that he's Drake
London. But explosive, he just
consolidates volume on or he's or is AJ Brown?
Like he's consolidating volume yards after catch.
He can do. He can do things at all depths.
He just needs fields to be good, and then he's a Target
Dominator. That's your that's your path.
And I think that's that's a path we've seen.
Pay off, I think, Josh Allen and Stefon.
Diggs, Josh, Allen and Stefon Diggs.
Did this Stefon Diggs was great had never been in a truly Elite
wide receiver in fantasy because the situation did not dictate
it. Joshua Allen dude.
Nobody thought. Josh Allen was good Bills.
Fans didn't think Joshua? Allen was good.
They got a super star wide receiver, they were really run
heavy not to that anomaly, it perspective.
I Agree. And so thus, why the I agree
generally speaking he's a smidge overpriced but the upside case
is that your overconfidence in what the Bears are going to be
is wrong? Oh all of our overcome again,
I'm still confidently talking about Arrangement that the
difference Here Again by import Stefon, Diggs, I was famously
like 10 wide receivers pops over ATP.
My rankings people. Give me a lot of credit for that
that year, with the bills. He was way under priced I was
really high on him. I saw that as a possibility in
the range what not to the extent that happen but that could be
better for digs that they gave a ton of capital for him.
That he had wanted, all depths that.
It could go be great in this new offense as like a legit wide
receiver one, which the Vikings never used him as the Panthers
used more that way. But he has one at all depths.
He's getting this new opportunity with the Bears.
I wrote about this in my write-up on DJ more, but I think
the big difference between what the bills did there and what
we're Going into in 2023 is more of a macro League level thing in
the way the defenses are playing now and what the Bears, how they
responded to that and how a lot of Russian quarterbacks
responded and the extreme play volume Tendencies.
We saw last year which was I mean it wasn't just the Bears
was a Falcons on the low end. It was the box in the Chargers
on the high end with past volume.
But defenses are now. No longer they're playing in a
way. They're like we're going to dare
you to run. We're gonna you know whatever
we're gonna play a base of like an extra EB and force you into
it. We're not going to react to what
we think you're going to do. We're going to just say, hey,
we're going to take away deep passing and all these things,
which is sort of what happened all of last year.
I think, when the bills did that with digs, it was a different
landscape or the fact that they jumped into this massive past
first team and were able to throw to, to all Fields.
Still, you could still throw downfield that downfield passing
things shifted in the 2021 season discover to Shell, has
become, you know, whatever? I that offenses might Find an
answer for that. There might be a different macro
thing. I just think it's a tough spot
to say what the from a macro perspective.
What the bills did when they got digs.
Even though it's just a few years back was more doable in
the NFL landscape. The way defenses were playing
the bills that year but you know think I mean defenses are going
to sit back against Justin fields and cover two.
And that's not how you play the Bears.
I just like pulled up, Tyler. Algier ran against a eight in
the Box on 40% of his 40% of his bronze, beautiful, Mexican like
it. I mean that's that's obviously
different team as a Falcons but I mean, you know, you have Uncle
Herbert and David Montgomery both a 24% much about middle
down the list, but I mean, you're going to you're going to
put a guy in the Box against Justin Fields.
I think a little bit more than another quarterback.
He also, by the way, in EPA per play, I mean there's sacking him
at a higher rate than any quarterback in the NFL, why they
did they did. I'm so because the whole because
he was the only thing you're afraid of his leg, Eggs.
I mean that's why you you would not sit back in a too high
because then he gets to run, but he was just a headache.
Any Picatinny PA per play last year, 22nd behind Andy Dalton?
I mean, so he wasn't in a field, so I think he's good.
I just so what? And well, this is potentially
counter-argument, you know, saying he wasn't all that
efficient, but I do think the fact that he wasn't all that
efficient. Even though he was very
efficient as a runner, Points to at least the potential that
maybe takes step forward as a pastor.
If he doesn't, then this isn't going to work.
He needs to. He needs to take a step forward,
but he definitely does. And then I agree with lip
everything that you just said, is totally spot on.
This is why I listen to people like you to try to figure out
ranges and all that kind of stuff.
Generally, my whole thesis is basically like a lot of that
doesn't ultimately matter. So let's look at Mark Andrews if
we don't want to talk about digs and Alan, right?
Two years ago, everything you would have just said about the
Baltimore Ravens, boom, nailed it.
Don't want to throw right defensive.
The defense's was mid-shift of this.
Not not quite to the level that it's gotten to like you just
outlined but the Ravens I mean Jesus Christ, Nick boils out
there. You know like that you want to
talk about don't want to throw that.
They really don't want to throw but sometimes shit happens or
the Josh Allen comp is just like dude Josh Allen went from A bum
from Wyoming. I'm exaggerating.
I know there's chat, people that are not liking that the Josh
Allen stuff but like Josh Allen went from this dude.
From Wyoming. The nobody thought was good to
one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL sometimes that happens.
Now that is not something I want to be drafting DJ more in the
fourth round if I can help it. But I also know that I'm trying
to finish first out of a million teens, invest ball.
And I need these out, I need to have outlier potential in my
portfolio, right? Drafting Mike Evans.
I'm drafting Chris Cobb and I'm drafting deante Johnson.
The Bears have a case. I don't care what range.
You want it. What percentage you want to put
it in that Fields takes a leap. They throw more and DJ more is
still just as good as DJ more, has ever been.
And this dude that's going in the fourth round around.
Jerry, Judy DeAndre Hopkins, the DeAndre Hopkins, place for the
Cardinals. Everybody's hoping he gets
traded somewhere, but this dude is old.
I want to drill the. I'm gonna drill into that
because he said the Bears have a case.
I don't care about Out the percentage, I think this is the
whole point. The chat saying we've been
talking about doing more for a long time.
We have. I feel it's actually not about
like I really I'm really is not about, it's not about DJ
Moore's. Exactly.
Was going to go through. This is like shift, change your
girl, talk about DJ more for as long as we want.
Okay, I love this because I'm trying to understand it as well,
but part of what I'm trying to understand is as a guy who wants
to be drafting DJ more. Frankly, should I be taking him
at this price? And that part of like yeah,
there's a possibility for this. Like wisdom of the crowds is
strong 80. He is pretty smart all these
players going this range. It's not like some fucking bomb
in the eighteenth round that we were talking about is going in
the fifth round was talking about.
He can't possibly go in this range.
We're talking about, you know, he's probably going a couple
rounds high at most. I'm the one who's extreme saying
he's 2 plus rounds high, but like we all think he's good
enough to be a single digit round pick and that there are,
you know, very positive scenarios that can play out here
still? I mean, I obviously think that I
put on DJ more every year for solo career.
Absolutely be good. Good.
My question is at what point for a player that is going in the
first ten rounds, wisdom of the crowds is very strong and and
it's right about the fact that this player should be in the top
ten rounds at what point does what you just said?
I don't care about the percentage of you know these
scenarios does that percentage actually matter.
I do like I was I'm saying if I was out of town I would still be
taking some DJ more, but we do also have to have players
stances that cost of like it's not just that I don't think he
can. A median at this point, whatever
actually think he can beat this in a you know a lot of
scenarios. I just think cost-benefit his
whole range of outcomes, the team's whole range of outcomes.
There's a lot of things that I have to get right for you to win
big on that price, especially in the fourth round like because in
the fourth round receiver, I want a guy who can get first
round producer second round, pretty certain its let.
So at what point I be, I mean, are we just going hey you know,
correlation it, I have another Angle on this that I want to do
before we move both of them were.
Actually I'm going to try to move this on so get it out.
All right. Because I because I do want to
drill down on, I think one of the key points potentially or at
least something I wanted to get some clarity on here is like
because all receivers are moving up.
So like yeah, I don't agree that DJ more.
Should be going to the fourth round to me.
He's like a fifth-round value but there's also like there's
also like this this fact of the matter of like everyone is kind
of like a little higher than we feel comfortable.
Roll with like I really wish Christian Watson wasn't like an
early fourth round pick that doesn't feel good to me either.
Right. You know I'm taking way more of
the Chargers guys than I thought I would because I'm like, well,
I don't know, I won't have a receiver.
So like what I mean? 20, if you go, if you had 24
Pixies, atp's, going behind, Jordan Addison.
You know what is a peaceful? I mean.
Yeah, it's fair. It's got 46 ATP.
So like how easy tone back? I'll back over to Tony's going.
I'll back. Plus rounds of worst currently
he's already fallen for like two weeks since I was originally
making this point in writing but do you know what are you taking
like him with? Are you taking Mike Evans over
the anymore? And I said Chris gagan was it
was the first even God when I think is rising there.
They're a lot closer. I you would you take out this /
DJ more. God wouldn't have similar Talent
arguments that as DJ more and in a passing offense that I think
has way better volume ranges that are just like the whole
range is just waiting on one's about around after.
Now he is What about the round for guys?
Because the point isn't so we fall like a trust me.
I fall into this. This idea all the time where we
say, well, what about this guy? That's going later and it's
like, Well, yeah, if you keep waiting to take wide receiver
until you get Chris Godwin like like let me tell you what your
yeah you're too sucks. Anyway so congratulations you
got Chris Godwin right? You got shit wide receivers
regardless so like he goes by Jerry, Judy, and Christian
Watson. And the Chargers guys and Drake
London, whose the same goddamn thing that he is, and You know,
Terry McLaren at right? I'm sure Eric alarmed me the guy
there. He might know I'm drafting Tara.
Mcteer McLaren dumb, definitely be so boring.
We've been sober. I've been tricked by the boring
guy a couple times now. Yeah, he might be the legal
owner. I mean, I think, but just Alan
might be the guy there. If you like, I take a lot of
Keenan, Allen Allen. I like those guys is not that
great Keenan, Allen, a healthy season.
He actually bounce back when he was healthy this past year and
like, routes run stuff. Can I think it's I think it's
more likely to be McLaren purely because As I'm more willing to
take Alan and the fact that I don't want to take Lauren makes
me feel like it's more likely to be McLaren, you know, because
it's that boring element. You're like all I was going to
say to put a bow on it so Pete can move us on from this.
This conversation was I was definitely being a bit
hyperbolic shocker. That's kind of what I do enjoy
this by saying, let's get DJ out of the DJ, more of the way
quickly there later. So we got her team.
I didn't know you had so much interest in talking TJ more.
Let's go. No, I'm ready to go.
I think. It was John said in the chat
that it actually has literally nothing to do with DJ more.
He just so happens to be the guy who represents this idea but it
really does pick him. There's other players that you
can probably make this the same case for as definitely being
hyperbolic about the exact percentage doesn't matter.
Of course you know if it's point zero one percent it and he's
going in the fourth round, it definitely matters but I do
think that the biggest thing is almost who goes around him,
right? So, like Mike Evans, clearly had
crazy weekly upside last year, that's what Mike Evans is.
He's never gonna outperform a second-round ATP.
That's why we all hated him like from a season-long perspective.
It made no sense why he went there from a season-long
perspective but in any given week my cat Mar Mike Evans
attached to Tom. Brady like has big upside and
I'm not trying to use this as a comp with with Mike Evans but
players that go with that went around Mikey.
Evans were probably the better reason to say Mike.
We can't draft Mike Evans in the second round here.
Where DJ more is going. There is this relative floor,
you know. I'm not really but I don't even
want to talk. I don't even want to get into
the whole floor conversation because the Bears are such a
weird one. But that upside case when
everyone else around him is flawed everyone, dude.
They're off Jerry Judy. They're talking about trading
jury duty, not that, not that long ago and he's the one Bronco
we've propped up here and Christian Watson doing this
again, never last year we decided Sudden there's like it's
nothing. Yeah.
Drop sudden two rounds ahead of everyone.
Yeah, well my Jerry juice. No other Bronco goes in like the
top 100 and Jerry. Judy is just plopped here in to
the fourth round even though everybody hates the Broncos.
Christian Watson. Aaron Rodgers is not there
anymore. I hate to be a bearer of bad
news but like, Jordan love is now, the quarterback.
That's very scary. All these guys have flaws.
And so that's when you have to weigh all these different
things, Pat. And I actually did a fun episode
where we talked about, like, every Pick your weighing like 10
different things and that's where DJ more comes in, is like
that ceiling. Especially if I can get him with
Fields because the correlation between their, their top so
good. 5% outcomes is is Tournament winning stop sighs.
So let me, let me take this through, let me take this
through a lens of galaxies branding now, because what I've
been hearing is it's extremely flat from like the fourth
through the seventh round and all of these guys, we can poke
holes in. We almost Some of the seventh
round guys, as much as the fourth round, the Galaxy brain
take is how many rosters are going to have trailing Burke's
deante, Johnson and Gabe Davis on them right now.
It's off not a lot. Yes.
And so if you want to hang dong, if you want to put your nut sack
on the table and say DJ more is overvalued Christian.
Watson is over about start taking these three guys who are
all going in the seventh round in the fourth and then the fifth
and then the six, because no one is going to have that Trio that
combinatorial Trio on their team.
Yeah, I think you got it. Do a lot of reading because if
you only did it with two ATP shifts enough that there will be
other combinations, but you really got to commit to that and
go at least three players, deep that all are very similar in a
teepee and even if there's some shifting, you're still not going
to get that combination. I love that.
That's well, especially in like again it's a little different
for best Ball Mania like you're saying grach like the atp's can
shift and you might not actually get on something.
That's that's the Galaxy brain but in this poodle that's good
in the poodle you were never one like you can snap get that
snapshot there. In lock in a really unique Trio
that no one's going to have and that was Ben.
When you asked about the running back thing, I was doing it more.
So in those 0r B Teams but I was doing it in some hyper fragile
stuff too. Like with early running back
starts, exactly what Pete was saying.
Like I'll take Eckler at his normal ATP at 11 or whatever,
but then, let's bring Pollard all the way up from the late 2nd
to the early second because nobody's taking Pollard at the
2002 or whatever. You know what I mean and do all
that you're going to say in the in the Damien Harris.
Range, like, but this was zero and you take, like, because he's
back to back with Penny. There's those other guys right
there, Antonio, Gibson, or whatever.
If you take them in three consecutive rounds, just the way
people ascribe, that, the receivers pull Tenon pull Penny
to the 90s and then take Harris a little bit ahead and then take
Gibson at his ATP and you get, probably not really anyone with
those three and if they all got it, and that we all liked those
potential upsides, I mean, that's another pocket.
You could do the same thing with Yeah II did.
Yeah. It is a it is an interesting
thing and it's it is trickier with best ball mainly because
we've already seen the ADP Like Pat and I were reviewing the
draft. We did on opening night like
today and so many of the atp's. Yeah.
I've shifted in a way where the Galaxy branding isn't rewarded
as much early on, I think, I don't think so.
And also, like, some weird stuff happens in those like and I
think this was in a think of the dalmatian.
I got Rashad white at like, near pick 100.
I don't know why. But I did.
Yeah, you know, it's just like sometimes weird stuff happens
like that. And so like you might there's
there are you could have teams or they least the potential to
get that same type of structure, or those st.
That same type of combo may just naturally come your way.
Now if you want to get it like five times you're gonna have to
force it for sure. Here's another let's let's talk
about another like drafting landscape thing.
That's definitely much different this year.
Year and it's the quarterbacks. And it's if we're talking about
like the sexy screenshots, like if you post a team or you draft
a team that has a quarterback after QB 11 basically after
Anthony Richardson comes off, like people hate your team.
Like if you do a team that doesn't have a leak you be if
you do a 3qb build your like trash like if you don't have one
of those top 10 guys or a sexy guy, where are you guys at on
this? Like obviously it feels good to
get one of the elite. Cubies I'm not challenging that
but they are so priced up that I do really wonder Um how much of
an edge there is an elite QB? Relative to these new prices
where you guys add up? That butt feels like a social
media. Think we're like a pulls.
The first day answer always has advised the right like the first
thing they see they see the cube he's like they want to see yes
I've been getting a ton of shit for my 3qb builds like people do
not like my shitty. Kenny pickets am howl even to
it. Like if you don't have one of
those top six or seven guys are Anthony, Richardson people like
trash trash. I bet that's true, but I do
think I've so I thought they were going to fall and then I
just then I was like, I don't know, they're going to fall.
I want to get I want to make sure I'm getting some exposure
to these Elite guys partly because you can get the stack so
cleanly with those with those top guys too but now I'm
starting to think that they will fall and that the reason I'm
starting to think that is that I think the borough Fields tear
has moved back to the to the end of the fourth, and if you're
sitting at the At the two three now and you have Higgins or
chase. I'm starting to pay a lot of
attention to the guy. Like if I go if I'm at the 102
and Higgins goes before me in the second, then I am more
likely to take Mahomes but if I can get Higgins or or I pass on
Higgins in the guy takes him from the one hole.
I know I have first rights to burrow when he comes back in the
fourth and and obviously might not come back but then I'm like
starting to think about Borough as a Chase drafter that early
and I mean obviously I'm sick and not everyone thinks like me
but there's I think that the fact that if you're just sitting
there and you kind of know in the back of your head like oh I
can get Borough as the chase drafter the Higgins drafter then
like take him homes is way less fun there and it Especially if
you're going to take my homes and hurts and Allen are sitting
there and they're going to fall, you know, further adjustment,
there's just this thing that's happening right now where I
think. I think those Elite quarterbacks
are going to get start moving into that early third round
range and if you is, the is the digs drafter is, if you think I
think I might be able to get out on the third or what if you're
like, you know what? I don't love Kelsey.
I don't love Bijan. I think I might be able to get
Alan at the at the 305 range. I'm going to, I'm going to reach
on digs and try to pair Alan. They're like I think you might
start to see more stuff like that.
So I think it's also kind of pushing down that like that
that's good in practice. But I guess what I'm more
hinting at is like we have a lot of data from the past couple of
years about Elite QB, really helping Advance rates but that
data was based on these Cube, he's going much much later.
They're going now. And so, like the problem I'm
hinting at is now that they're all pushed up.
Do we think it's as much of an edge as it was previously when
they were cheaper? I don't, yes, I do as much of an
edge. Actually I agree with everything
that Pat said, but I think in this exact moment like what Pat
is saying is what I've been trying to do with those Elite
guys is if I am going to take them, I want to push them beyond
the tear of early round picks that I really love, which is Is
well-lit raimondo. I've just been take I just I
just took my medicine for a minute and and drafted some of
them but but now what I'm saying is I think I would I think I'm
going to maybe sit this part out because I think I'm willing, I'm
starting to feel that they are going to fall to the mid third
and honestly Pete like in the mid third like that does fit
with with last year a little bit.
I mean that's where Alan was going anyway, right.
I mean hurts was this back end around 61 67?
Yeah, yeah yeah. I think I do.
Shout out when Kyler was 52 like the seventh round and I pissed
away all that money on that Elite quarterback.
I've been feeling like it's a season for a throwback to the
principles of late-round quarterback drafting all
offseason. Everything you guys just talked
about with the receivers and how hard it is to actually get four
good ones. And the first like six rounds,
you can't get these for top 24 ones anymore.
The reason we should be considering DJ more, and I think
these are all really good points, is that the Alternatives
aren't that. Great receivers are All going so
high. I think even more like I think
it's a no-brainer now that you can't waste a third-round pick
on a quarterback. That's not how we've known this
for from fantasy football for a long time.
I'm not saying that can't win. I just think like from you know,
you want to talk like gal brain, you want to talk like I want to
take a really Firm Stance on something.
I think percentage-wise in this landscape, that feels crazy.
The opportunity cost feels too high.
When you can make up quarterback points late in a way.
Let's just talk about the 1790s around running backs and
receivers are horrible. You can get a 17-game
quarterback. Start on the 17th or 18th round.
You can finish your 3qb build nice and easy.
You gotta go. I mean there's not a lot of
quarterback upside back there. I agree on all that.
I do agree, the quarterback has changed and the good names that
are going really. High are a lot better, but the
opportunity cost in the third round, the object to any cost in
the 17th, for your third quarter back to, you know, to build the
3qb built lot different. I mean, it just feels a
no-brainer. I love that.
Take I do think. Or maybe discounting the
late-round quarterbacks a little bit relative to what we have in
the past. So you mentioned, like, kind of
a throwback to late-round quarterback.
These late-round quarterbacks are just as good as ever, but
the quarterback position has gotten more expensive except
these guys haven't. Now, I look, I understand I
don't want to get into the Sam, Hell debate, you know, I know
some people don't like mcjones, whether you dislike or like,
Jimmy Garoppolo or Desmond, Ritter, or whatever, the 41 of
these 49ers quarterbacks is going to have that.
Job. And he's going to be probably a
lot better actually come around on.
Pick this. I'm kind of like I'm in a mixing
those guys in, I took Trail and see other day in a I forget
exactly what I did. I think a D2 and, you know, I'm
a lying down and take some pretty.
I think, especially as we like moving to other tournaments, I
don't know how much Purdy and Lance.
I want invest for Mania right now, but like, you know, I kind
of those like, those are my special little bullets, you
know, I don't want to but but like you go to the Draft Kings
$10. And you're like, I need some
weird shit to happen. I'm taking early.
I'm taking Lance. Yep.
It's a, it's a 1400 person. Final, like I need a little bit
of my way you scratch the name of the person you're gonna kill
on the boat. Yeah I mean like the thing that
I've like for me it's like if I think these quarterbacks are at
best efficiently priced at worst maybe over Christ.
And then on top of that in this tournament where now the way the
pods work with week, 16 be a 1 out of 16 week 15 being a 1 out
of 16. I almost get excited when I get
the third quarterback stack lined up because I'm saying, I'm
having more out to an outsized outcome that these drafters
aren't going to have not only are they going to have spent
this pick on a quarterback but you're also going to show up in
week 15 week 16 with all the other Jalen hurd's drafters.
All the other Patrick Mahomes drafters which isn't necessarily
a bad thing. It's probably helping your
Advanced rates. But when I'm thinking about, how
do I win? One out of 16, 1 out of 16, 1
out of 1441, I'm like man having these three different
quarterback bullets in stacks and you got to make sure you're
getting the stacks, right? It's not just like raw doggin
these guys. But like I'm leaving myself open
to all of these out that these drafters aren't going to have
in. Oh, by the way, I have Garrett
Wilson on my team and you don't because you say the same thing
is A few years ago, we talked about how all those running
backs piece together. So well, your it's a great
point. If you could piece together
three cheap, quarterbacks tax that do go together.
While they're Spike weeks, are on different weeks and
everything lines up. Well how different that makes
you to everyone else who has Jalen hurts right?
Like you it's an opportunity to be unique.
I love that point and yeah it's not just even the playoff thing
which is it's easier to tell that story from the late-round
quarterbacks because it's really hard to To see Mac Jones, like
being great over the course of the whole season, right?
But also like, two years ago, Matt Jones is free was pretty
decent for Fantasy. It was only as an 8, as an
eighteenth round pick. He wasn't new to Mac blowing the
doors off nuts. It's it's absolutely absurd.
I'm drafting a lot. I think he's going to get.
Benched in week six. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah. That's a great way of putting it
as a Bailey's appy truther. I'm still drafting a shit ton of
Mac Jones. Like I don't this the his price
doesn't make any sense and what Crazier.
What's a lot of these guys? Matt Jones is the best example.
If you want a patriot stack, you can have it in every single
draft. Like there's there's both of
their tight ends, go outside of the top 100, maybe it's under
Henry scenes season on to percent taekwon Thornton is like
goes at like 185, right? Have to compare taekwon Thornton
bags at the end of the year because it's just that oh my
gosh. I was talking about we were
talking about the you know the guys you're getting way too
much. Each of in the hyper fragile
versus taekwon Thornton, I think, is on every every hyper-v
I got the biggest bag of all. I think he just it's ridiculous
but like even like I don't like these guys, but like DeVante
Parker Kendrick, born get sticky right?
Like the backup running backs. There's not another Patriots
running back to get, drafted besides reminder, a, the whole
Patriots team is free and it's like we forgot about 20 21,
where they were actually pretty good and then 2022, they were a
disaster. And so now they're all free but
that's just one example of the quarterback thing where like if
the Patriots return to 2021. Yeah.
Mac Jones is going to match order that goes with the team
and we miss on team sometimes, by all the time, it's a great,
the pigeon lot better than we expect.
What do you guys think about Baker?
Because I think the Bucks offense, like, everyone is just
completely writing, it off Brady's gone etcetera.
Like you still got the so good receivers.
I don't think I'm 100% certain Baker is completely terrible.
So, what I would say to the baker, that Howell stuff.
I mean, I've made this point a number of times but my thing
with that is like you don't have to pick the quarterback, you
know? Like and this is one of the
things if you're if you are drafting one of those Elite
they're super guy seems to be fair but you but you just build
the stack anyway. Just build the stack and we
build a Houston stack and then right when you would take
Stroud, just like stack up someone else like can we
separate how away from these losers how-how-how and Ritter
both of them back. I'm looking at this Purdy howl
Ritter Max. Owns Baker is QB. 28 through QB
32. Like I actually put how don't
put I think her I think Purdy's the only parties.
The only one of those guys who's actually interesting to me nuts.
Yeah, and none of those guys really hold any interest except
pretty for me. I just don't even know.
No, I like Matt. Mac is Mac is a pretty solid
Advanced, right, play? You don't get that, that kind of
job security. And I know it's not perfect job
security, but it's pretty good. I mean you're getting a lot of
John. Can I ask you a question Pat if
you eliminated any I shot like if I told you how was going to
play 17 games, where would you be at, on him?
I take a, I had a Stroud. Okay, I probably.
So it is, it is more. So the job risk that?
Yeah, it's I think I mean, I think he's a favorite to get
benched. Wait, what you would take?
I would take him over Jordan love.
I'll take him like in the QB. Absolutely.
Yeah. Why would you only take him a
spot? Hi, yeah, that's right.
Yeah, he's in a good offense and he runs and they have Eric be
enemy. Now, like he has real outs to
real upside down. Ya know, that that's fair if I
knew for take a look. Come over Russell Wilson, if I
knew he was playing 17 games that take them over Roswell,
right? Actually I won't I won't even
argue that because Russ might get benched.
So that's your Heather. It's just, you know, so that's
not my point with house. Not that he doesn't have upside
of he plays. It's that I think, especially if
you're using him in a build were like, you need him to play
because you kind of pun at quarterback for a little bit.
I just think you're taking on a lot of risk in the payoff.
Isn't that high like the payoff is like, oh I got Trust, do
doesn't get benched your door. Was slightly better version of
Jordan love. Like that's that's helpful for
your bill for sure. But I just don't want to build.
I just would like to build my teams where I don't ever really
feel like I need how I have, I've have taken him in some DK
stuff. I'm not like saying never take
him and I'm not what a fraud here.
I don't I don't like taking how I love the jet using the term
base rate in. This is literally best ball
Galaxy braining and you want to talk outliers win.
We are Galaxy braining anyway. I'm talking base rates here,
like the, if you, if you want should do, we should, I mean,
you're at the wrong fucking place.
He's quarterbacks don't really separate from each other all
that. Well, and so if you're taking a
guy that late you you want him to be starting.
Like if he's not starting your it's a you just shouldn't take
anyone. Like you should take a skill
player if he's I think yes. And no, I think you have two
similar to the DJ more thing but very different.
The payoff has to be factored in.
You can't just, I think we're, I think we disagree.
He only be the risk. The payoff that 18th round.
Pick your 8 is your eighteenth round pick.
They all have infinite risk and so you can't just say this guy
has risk and I can't draft him. So like the pay off on hitting
on an eighteenth round quarterback who ran for 800 son?
I think guards are you little self goleo if I like if I'm
overweight in my portfolio in 18th round running back.
My portfolio is probably not facing like a huge risk in terms
of its ability to advance or its ability to make noise in the
playoffs. But if I'm really overweight
quarterbacks with job security in My overall portfolio, I think
I could be torturing my Advanced rates and hurting my week 17
upside. So it's not that I'm saying a
guy has risk. Therefore, we can't take them in
the late rounds. I'm saying, I want to build
structures that don't rely on quarterbacks without job
security. But that's Elite quarterback.
When we just talked about the problems with the elite
quarterbacks, it's not just Elite quarterback, you can go,
you know, you can go to quarterback or you can go three
quarterback. But prioritize job security
three, they have jobs, but if they don't have upside, are you
prioritizing Jordan loves math? Yeah.
Yeah, I would, I would make a meeting to get, I would ya on
the clock, in the mood over. Hell is cup, Christian,
McCaffrey or cup? What are we doing here?
But but to your point, Eric, if I were to take Jimmy G then I
would, if I like took Jimmy G is my quarter back to.
That is the situation where I would then go, I probably need
howl, or I need, yes. Or I need Purdy because I like,
I boxed myself into where I can. Yeah, in with that low of upside
of the quarterback. So, yes, there are situations
where I'm going now. I need to, I need the swing.
I need, I think about, yeah, I don't disagree with that.
It's just that I want to like when I put myself in that
position. Shit.
I'm like how did we get here? How do we not get here again?
I think if you're deciding between like, my quarterback
room is Jimmy GMAC Jones in Sam. Hell, you probably just screwed
something up along, I think you can make a case that Hal does
have a job. They've said everything they
could possibly say about it being his job.
I understand your take on per set and it's fair, but I think
you can make a case. Yes.
As much job security. As some of the other dudes, that
go even ahead of him, like who? Well Devante just dumped on
Jimmy G it publicly. Basically, I guess I wouldn't
argue Kenny G. That's the one that made me feel
gross. When I said, I take G, but, I
mean, obviously bought the Niners.
Guys go ahead of him. I think the the rookies like
picket, Jordan, love those guys. If they're really bad for a
while, can get to get benched, right?
Like they're young dudes that we aren't super confident in for
but it's kind of like in Dynasty, right?
Like how right do I want to be like if I and I hate being I
hate having to be right on my Dynasty players.
I Want to be I want to not have to be right and have them go up
in value but about and safety quarterback start every NFL
season. Like there's a lot of I know, I
know that all these guys that I'm taking could get bench.
Matthew Stafford, could tweak his elbow and get bashed.
Like Jordan love, could be an absolute catastrophe.
Like but what if they're just like kind of bad who gets bench
when they're just kind of bad, right?
Not Jordan, love, not Kenny. Pick it, you know.
So that's kind of where I'm at. Why not Sam Hell.
Lucky, or maybe not same out. Yeah, but I think I personally
think he does because of the hot seat issue, where you know,
coach gets fired. Yeah, you know, changes that's
way back before, you know, CR. The I think the Galaxy brain
show. Here's the Galaxy brain
Washington take, there is no hot seat, Rivera is gone fella, be
enemy, the enemy is seat, the burned already in his now, don't
ya? There is no seat be enemy is the
future head coach. The enemy will make the
decision. What about pattern 3qb builds
this ghost exactly to the point that I'm making like I'm not
anti three quarterback build, but I took Daniel Jones on the
14th round is my third quarterback in that seam, and
Daniel Jones, had job security, and upside, like I like three
quarterback bills for your sake. That all your arguing for is
what one would again. Attacked been invested in
myself. I mean, I thought, let's build
the team that you built last year, okay?
Okay, he did draft DJ more, he did draft DJ more lashes, and
idea by the way. But I mean like to me, like
Jordan love would be kind of a similar type of bet to Daniel J.
I think it may be a worse bet but like that's kind of a range
where you're like well Daniel like or Russell Wilson or
Matthew Stafford. Like those guys could have big
week 17 s. That wouldn't Be crazy to us
love would need to run more than he has, but but it's possible
and he's not wrong attention. Unless something goes really
wrong. We're on the clock wild room.
We got jgf. Seagoing chub Pollard at the one
to turn. We want to keep pissing here.
Yeah. Yep you know Ave or anything
else? Yeah.
Who do you guys prefer between a lava and Devante Smith?
I love a lava. I like politically.
I like all three of those guys but I love is fun if that's 80
people. Yeah.
Plus, don't look to the Saints. Play, well, you got the spike
weeks all there. So you can tell me the, the I
don't have Rams play the Saints in week, 15.
The ring six. The Rams are an awesome.
The Rams are an awesome one because their defense is going
to be absolutely horrible. And so I'm trying to craft some
super gal brain. Like how do we correlate like
all these different so they play the NFC East but they all like I
believe they, you said they play the same way they played.
And then and then the ramps the Saints, you know, who they play?
You know, the Rams playing week 15, that's going to be our
quarterback to Washington. Yes, she's go, good thing.
This isn't Pizza. Can stack that up.
Put it on, man so portal. It's a poodle.
Still stop and take a walk and you dollar twenty-five, the
Saints and a half, send it to me.
The real 8qb team with Daniel Jones, Derek Carr, And say hello
and have nailed it. There matchups in the play.
All I ask is that this team has Sam Hell on it and I don't know.
It does seem like we have a weird, a very like polarized.
Mix of like friends and family badge, Bros.
And then people who are like, no clue, what's going with me
putting right now. Derrick Henry in the second is
Davis, being like heavy on. Derrick Henry, I'm getting
pissed when he gets knifed on Henry.
And the third was Like not a 2023 pot line.
I saw coming, Iris did a pot with Davis the other day and
luckily we were at the end when the Derrick Henry thing came up
because he was like, oh yeah I'm drafting Derrick.
Henry don't you see he plays Houston in you know in the
playoffs and I'm like Davis God body I made it back.
Devon to back. Let's roll.
Right? Beautiful.
Yeah. Yep.
We've never gotten a receiver after ATP ever in our history.
I have it honestly we never have This is the first time, it's the
first time for pics, after ATP and early receiver, that's hey,
know that you guys play twice. Hey Sam, how it's Destiny.
Absolute destiny. This is amazing.
This is the the stream that two years ago.
Killed wide receiver ATP. Two years later.
Hey, thanks, he'll you got divinest.
Lee the third round. We've been accused of
disingenuous pouting. I might start disingenuously
touting. Same hell, my starts doing it.
No, I'm telling you right now. It is disingenuous.
I don't mean it. I don't like saying about was a
please clip that part because some of us are trying to keep
getting him in the eighteenth round.
I don't want Pat. Bye.
Moving his ego. I'm going to I'm going to steam
them up there. I'm going to steam them.
I'm going to steam them because you're making me take months
team. I haven't even looked at,
though. What's the poodle to payout
structure here? Sica.
It's pretty much the same thing as the last one, but literally
double everything I think. Okay.
All right, it's pretty nice. It's yes.
Now, is this a ride with jtrail in Burke's to start doing?
Yeah I mean to forget it if we're gonna braid, we better
stay true to our roared only receivers with Lauren.
Going at the 40 1j G FC is he's having some fun in this poodle
dude though. This is what when I'm doing the
hyper fragile stuff, this is what some of it looks like and
I've gotten so many tweets. So I'm in this draft with you
and one wide receiver. Through six rounds.
What's go? What's going on man?
Yeah I know. So you're so it sounds like
you're still like mixing in Elite quarterback, a leak tight
end with their your hydrofracking trying to
experiment. Like basically my whole thesis
is I'm not trying to like we can see the options in to play
around. This one structure, I'm gonna
draft this one structure. But then I want to see what
Elite quarterback looks like with it.
I want to see. And that's, that's where I ran
into trouble with 0r B, specifically honestly, hyper
fragile. When you take detours, it really
doesn't matter because you're your wide receivers suck.
I'm sure already fucked. Yeah, yeah right.
Like you either have deante Johnson or you have you knows a
flowers like it really doesn't matter but with 0r B that every
detour you take your like, actually, this is supposed to be
where I dominate wide receiver and my wide receivers are like
good but not awesome. And so it's a huge like it's a
huge difference from the past years, like so.
So different. All right, we're about to be on
the clock at pick 45 for the audio listeners.
Cooper cup, Crystal La Vida, vantaa Smith start.
This is where we if we want to live a little bit and start
taking some sixth-round wide receivers.
What are we like? Thank God would be my next best
receiver. Probably looking at that list.
But he think I began to go go further down the list.
Anyone, any other buyers people want to mix and match?
What about this Seattle guys? Yeah, which one Jay is going to
go and then do this and then get lock it and then get locked by
the issue with that. Is that J?
SN is Fallen to the sixth now. Yeah.
Yeah, we're going to do. We also don't have to do it.
We can still pivot from the locket thing, but Well, if we
get Jace and lock it in another six on ATP, it'll be unique
combo, right? Yeah.
Do that. Do so.
Take two guys that go, so, take lock it and someone that goes
right next to him, like Evans, Take Em jsn Evans lock it, right
because Evans and lock it. Go right next to each other.
No, it's a Madison Godwin. Jason IU.
Kevin's lock it. Addison Let's take a look at it.
Make sure we lose get some stacking to this.
Yeah because even if we don't get Gino at least we still have
the Seattle but yeah. Secondary yeah, yeah, it Nitro
from the one hole. I've seen this a few times where
they take the elite QB and then they're like, well, I have Jamar
Chase. So I got a stack that up to see
that so many times. It feels like burrow is like a
lynchpin for how your draft is going to go.
Yeah, but doesn't, God won't have a lava week 17 if he really
makes it. So does Evans True?
Apparently, there's a CH is in the best shape of his life.
Twitter story that's like going around saying it's that is any
kite? Every single offseason?
We learned that like something horrible happens in the previous
year and now he's doing great. Is it?
God when we like pow? Wow.
What about locking a locket for the what we want to do, the to
Bobgoblin, for the stack? Jack.
What do you guys got a breaker type eaten by them for?
There's no stack with God one. Yeah.
Well the week 17. He Coral want to go to or like
yeah I want to do this Tracy. Yeah.
Find you got one. You got one.
We can maybe get Evans on the way back and then see if either
Evans or Lockett come back, I don't think they will but then
we can still take the top guy by ATP at that point, and it should
in terms of uniqueness matchup. Yeah, that's the other and lock.
It has a shot to come all the way back Goblin didn't.
Right? Right.
Yeah, yeah definitely not. Well this is old-school 0 IB
start It's a particularly sixth. I mean, the heart.
It's fun. I haven't done like I haven't
done just like five straight wide receivers in a while.
Feels good. I didn't leave that fucking
values in the third round of running back.
Fuck them. I don't want to make it.
So that is something about this year that like we just talked
about all the problems with how quick it is, or how easy you can
get locked out of wide receiver. And like the running backs that
are available later. Like like I said, I'm almost all
the way through this kind of experiment and I I hate, I'm
biased. So that, that's why I'm trying
to do the experiment. I want to like just post the
data and let everybody see it. So like other people not just my
bias. Brain can say like are the hypo
for hyper fragile teams better or 0r B.
But like, dude, you can drop 0 RB teams with like, still like
sick, running backs band, like JK Dobbins.
Like I know like Josh North, like smile Sanders.
I don't really like him, but like you'd get Mi Sanders as
your rb1 Damien Pierce David Montgomery, you know, like if
you really want to like, it's not totally 0r B but like it
gives false to the fourth round. You take Gibbs, I could be 100.
Basically, all my Gibbs teams, like, is your running back team.
Yeah, like I just, I think it's six running backs.
Yeah, yes, I do. I do it.
Like, I just flip it. I'm like, I took him in the
sixth. That's just what I tell myself.
And I'm willing to pay the 2 round premium on him because I
think is his late-season. Upside is good enough but he's
like a sixth-round And type of advanced, right?
Type of dude, maybe even seventh to be honest.
So that I just put those wide receivers are like we just
talked about all the fourth round wide receivers, right?
And it's like, what is the difference?
Was thinking of you felt like you just described DJ more when
you said, what I was saying is the sixth seventh round the
running back, DJ more 100%. Yeah, he's definitely overpriced
but like he just gets thrown in there because There's nobody
else. Yeah, I feel a little
differently but DJ more not to bring back but I think I think
it's more, just like a binary. He's either like TJ Morris,
either like an amazing Advanced rape.
I come back and we're back to the DJ War Cava.
He is, I think is gonna even in Gibbs, best seasons.
He's probably not doing stuff for like, four or five weeks.
He's an undersized rookie. He's he's DJ more.
Is his prices wrong and everyone knows it.
He either. Has his top percentile outcome
and he's under priced at the wide receiver. 23 or my God,
we're looking back like this. Dude was why are we taking him
in the fourth round? So both walk in and Evans wet?
Yeah. So, so deante Johnson week, 17,
yes, or with Phil Jackson Eagles bet with ghadir whether those I
do like got hurt but I'm down for five.
I think I would take those. I think I'll take Deonte here.
Let's go. We're going to do it quarterback
because we don't worry. Yeah, I think gives us out.
Deonte give Derek, Derek Carr Gino does give us outs.
Kenny picket Kyle trout, and what do you mean?
You don't have bad? You saying how?
And Sam. Hell, yes, unstack Sam.
Howell, anytime you have one stack, a guy who's gonna be
watching Datsun, we were set play Common playing against all
of our receivers. Is that what we're gonna get
Datsun? We're going to get dots how we
keep openly drifted wide receivers so far.
If you wanted dr. House taking ghadir, how exactly
how we could take Datsun 7277 to is the best is the best is the
best fantasy wide receivers first.
Yeah, has anyone looked at the advancement for a 1115?
One bill that's unrealistic. We would not take around six
guys. Jumped the shark.
I finally. Yo D would have never have let
this happen. Yeah.
He wouldn't allow Dodson went nitro with his double Elite
quarterback really needed. Absolutely.
No more wide receivers until I swear to Sweet.
Wasn't no fucking brainer dude. We already have an eagle's bet.
Yeah, let's just take Richard Petty and do the gal brain three
10th round running back started. Now all right, fine.
Feels gross. Taking a running back that what
you guys take on Swift? If been, if DJ more is
overpriced, what's got to be over price, right?
Yeah, I don't like so surprised at all.
But I mean, I think you can take some of them use an efficient,
he's like a boom box, type run around an offense that is going
to make that viable, right? He's gonna hit her some big
announcements ago. I was looking at Rushing.
Props that dropped on Caesars today and I immediately was like
what kind of like is under it like a thing as like 575 because
I do think Penny's going to be their leader honor.
I think the other running backs will be involved, Hertz is going
to run a six out of Russia is kind of tough when you split it
all up but then I was like man, he's a boom boss like big run,
big play type of guy in an offense is going to create
holes. If he has a couple 50-yard runs,
a lot easier to get six on a rush yards.
He probably does go over the, I ended up not taking the under on
that. I mean, I think he probably ones
up in that range and things are good line.
And then, I mean, obviously the theory is more of his work would
be on the receiving side as well.
I mean, I think he can have a solid Good Year.
I do think Penny runs for more yards and it's an offense where
that's where you get your points.
I mean, yeah, I'm timeout. Single penny than Swift.
I'm definitely opens but but this is a state EP on.
Yeah, it's a fine it doesn't. It's a fanatic.
It's a good offense to run in for especially for a guy like
him where you're looking for efficiency.
Explosive plays like Mi sandwich.
That's a pretty big explosive plays.
Last bless the Seas. He was a Smash Mouth Sanders was
Mass last year and he's not as good as either Penny or Swift.
Right? He's have not yeah.
My pleasure good. I think it's a better fit for
Penny but it's still a good Swift fit for Swift.
Was the point of I agree with that too.
I think it's a better fit for pain but so what do you think?
What do you guys think about? So little it is
like a lot of guys, I would have thought were signed By now,
we're still sitting out in free agency.
Like, what would you guys rather have though willing to pay a
running back in the rest of the market is telling us, we didn't
care if there was, it was a flood of running backs that we
were willing to take any of them, whether it's Damien,
Harris, Penny, or whatever, and the ones who have signed are the
ones that were like, okay, well, I'll take what I can get.
That's what not not that. This is how it went down, but
what would you guys rather have say, Rashad pennies agent being
like, hey, I have this contract, you can get the exact same
amount of money in Minnesota that Alexander Madison got, or
you can take this contract, For Philly.
It obviously is going to take the more money.
Well, let's just say he's like, no I want to go play on the team
that just went to the Super Bowl that has a killer offensive
line. I'm willing to take a pay cut to
go be in the jungle with Davis. Matically choose.
He's that cloud. Maybe he's getting crowd out the
Eagles but like that's my point. You would like some of this
money stuff is like the team situation has to play into it a
little bit. I don't know.
I'm just always get. It's like the Odell stuff like I
don't give a shit one flying. Fuck how much the Ravens played.
Oh, Odell, I guess it doesn't matter to me.
I'm not taking the 10th round because they gave him a fat
contract. That was a please Lamar sign
this contract. Right?
There were like, yes, we need to get, we need to get people.
It, we need to get bodies in here.
We're going to take, say, flowers, and we're gonna pay
Odell a bunch of money. I did have a question on the
Eagles thing that I can't figure out.
What do you guys think about the contingent value type stuff?
Like if Penny goes down, What is the Swift's role?
Change? How to gain while I'm Scott play
into that, you know, I mean, I think neither pending, or Swift
has really shown the ability to like handle big workloads and
the teams are going to be for different reasons.
But I think the Eagles will be kind of like, hesitant to give
those guys big workloads. They've also leaned on Boston,
Scott whenever they've not, you know, had their lead guy around?
Yeah. Like, they haven't hit me again
or the opaque of Jordan have they they have a history of just
making the subcommittee one way or another.
Any game was a talented player who will get some work.
So I think you're betting on. These guys is efficiency plays
an incredibly efficient offense. That's the but I don't think you
get much contingent with with either guy.
I agree. I just wanted to make sure I
wasn't, um, I couldn't see it. Alright, let's see here.
Ton of green on the board, Sutton, maybe last of a wide
receiver, tear could go white. We already have a bet on the
Orleans little bit and the New Orleans thing.
So we build that out Sutton's the last I would maybe Maybe
argue Sutton But Eric Greg we have Six Wives, Mossad, Rashad
Rashad, Rashad, Posada. Yeah, let me we had some.
Let's save let's save that wide receiver.
So this is something I do like to do and also something I
figured out in drafting a bunch of 0r B Teams really quickly is,
I'm happy to make sure I'm really strong at wide receiver.
Like we are getting six early ones or five early.
Once I do like to save one or two, if I don't have a
quarterback yet to make sure I still Getting stacked.
And so, like, if we are, if we do want, how you have Curtis
Samuel in your bag, right? Or like you get locked out, you
have the Patriots in your bag, you have.
Yeah. Actually having that flexibility
is really important. What are you worried about?
When we talk about efficiency with a lot of players and stuff
and he was actually like really bad last.
Like the shitty thing about like being stoked about him last year
was when he kind of took the job from Lenny.
He wasn't any better than letting it was annoying.
Now I wasn't that much better than money.
He wasn't good. Yeah, Richard ever expected, he
was between Robin Cook and Ezekiel Elliott which is not
where you want to be. So what's your take on him?
Do are you concerned about that? Yeah I mean I think that's
concerning I think he also had a 36 percent success rate which is
bad. I think the issue with white
like is if there was kind of anyone there who could take
early downward from him, he probably would be a real risk of
seating it. I do think the argument that he
wasn't better than Lenny as a receiver is like a pure strong
man because he would they were both good.
So like I don't fucking care. That he wasn't better than Lenny
that just sure that's what you guys think about building out a
maybe unstacked. Daniel Jones plays the Rams
gives our first quarterback upside in our seventh wide
receiver can basically be whatever from the Giants sharp.
I mean sure. Yeah, fact or stack it but yeah
so that's That's where I'm at on on, kind of a the Russian thing
I think it is a real concern, the receiving thing.
I think he he played well as a receiver he earned Tom Brady's.
Trust out there. I'm passing Downs.
He was getting whole series to himself, so they clearly trust
him as a pass blocker and the profile suggests that he was
going to be a very good receiving back to have him
already established. That not amazing, but good as a
rookie I think is bullish, he is big enough to where they can
just kind of leave him out there.
So it strikes me like a little bit Like, I mean he's looking
right now. He looks a little Buck Allen e.
He looks a little Charles Sims e0 speaking.
My language valid baby. It's not, it's not ideal.
But like, he's, he's just like, who's who's taking it off
because he came in so old? Yeah, I know.
I just hate that question. I'm running back, who's taking
it from him, like someone always happens, you know, but if he's
got, if he's got the yeah, but Edmund, I've been clean run and
this is a receipt like back. Someone can sign.
Edmonds isn't actually that great of a received.
Yeah, someone can sign. There.
But the other thing is like he's almost protected by their
shittiness. Like they're gonna bring in
Zeke. Like I don't think I'm being
zika, Zeke's like a fuck? No, I'm not siding with the Box,
you know like there he think if you can't bring back for that
obviously he asked to be cut. That's why it's not there.
They're not gonna bring anything Kareem hunt would be the one
that would kill him and maybe maybe cream hot with sausage.
Yeah, yeah, that and that would hurt for sure.
Yeah, I do think it's actually like, I don't believe this but
like Chase Edmunds. Historically, the veteran.
Like passing down back that I agree.
I'm not arguing for Chase Edmunds.
Actually being good at this in the NFL, but I'm saying, he has
kind of played this role as the secondary stage right now and
no, he's on the bus, he's on, he's on the Rocks, NFL teams,
just sometimes go with that dude you know.
And like we don't have to like it.
It's not going to mean. They could just decide Keyshawn,
John's good and short yardage and they use them that I think
they also got what's-his-face Sean Tucker or whatever as a you
DFA. Well yeah I mean he was supposed
to be the worst. He's okay.
Yeah but I think honestly like it with an 8.
We didn't mention Patrick layered.
He's on. He's on this depth.
Okay. Yeah.
He's at a nice rounded price tag.
I feel like you know if he's if he's a three down back like it's
he's a smash because because he does the receiving stuff like
that's what he's going to have. He's already seems condone that
it's James Conner. He's better James Conner if he's
a but I'm saying that's what James Conner.
Last year, Kyler got her and James Conner, still smashed down
the Wretch because like right, if you just play every snap,
even if you suck, it doesn't really matter James, Conner.
We definitely could be more interesting around the goal
until it play, but I think he'd be a better receiving option
than kind of, but it's a very, very similar bet.
But you know, Connor you're dealing with age and like, any
keep this up, why you're dealing with, does he really suck?
As a rusher, right? But like how he gets there is
like, dude, if you're playing every snap, so we are right in
that running back group that I was talking about.
Some saw, this is the this is the spot right here.
This is Nate, this is we could that's the other thing we could
have done with our galaxy brand ideas.
We could have what about fairly easy.
If we went away from white to go Penny and then without taking
Daniel Jones experience withdrawal, Yeah.
Can double tap them. I think we've had felt.
I've done it once. I have done once it was fun.
So it's probably Damien Harris over Penny.
Then if we have Swift. Yeah, I would sell side Harris.
Yeah. Although let me just throw out
Antonio Gibson so we can get how later.
Let's wait. Fuck no.
I mean, how guys do you realize how good he looked in?
His one start Heap, scored like 24 fantasy points, please kick
him off, just uh, just this guy's gatekeeping, 3qb build,
its disgusting. I mean out here drafting Dusty
asked. Tom Brady I may get out of here.
The telling us we can't draft Sam.
He'll get the fuck out of here. I'm really good job security
dude. Tom Brady is I mean liable to
just, you know, drop whatever he's doing it.
You know what? Yeah.
That looks pretty good job. And he rushed for 35 yards, I
can never be ready and a touchdown.
You don't leave out that part. Listen Sam, how, who couldn't
get a job from Taylor heinicke, despite the team, totally
sucking ass is definitely starting the holster of how who
Taylor heinicke said. Should start over me in the last
game. Yeah, because he's like give the
kid a shot yet. Assholes, that's a good comment.
We do have to take in Tokyo Gibson here, right?
Yeah. Yes, I mean, yes, yes.
Yes, of course. This is a great run for the
audio listeners. Daniel Jones at quarterback.
Our running backs. DeAndre Swift Rashad white
Damien Harris, Antonio, Gibson or wide receivers Cooper cup.
Chris olave, Devonte Smith, jsn, Chris, Godwin, deante, Johnson,
sick, team. We actually have this TV, you'll
good, you know like yes yes he isn't this.
The alternative of the hyper fragile vs 0.
RB experiment. I was talking about.
Wouldn't you rather have that like We all agree.
Tony, Pollard, awesome. I really like Nick Chubb.
Sake one looks good, Jonathan Taylor, Josh Jacobs.
All these guys are great. Christian McCaffrey great, would
you rather have multiple of them?
And then we would get to this point in the draft be like,
Rusty rice. You know, like, like Tyler Boyd,
what you guys think about? Like that is that that's gross.
You can't get to it, right? You just have to make sure you
don't take too many detours. You, I think you have three.
Detours in the early rounds and as long as you do as long as you
but I do what we didn't take really any but I and I want I
love no we didn't take any being a 3qb and three tight end build
but I think it can work that way with the Ford, top four running
backs, we got in the top six receivers, we got we can go
through qe3 tight in here, right?
You can grow cabbage were actually pretty.
We're pretty strong running back or at least we have the
potential to be. We're good.
We're like little bitty, good us, 40, R&B Bros and we're like
oh we're fucking strong. Get ready back, really strong
running back. Loaded PCC.
Who is the worst pick Addison in the fifth?
We're Davis. Being right about ticks again,
definitely. I'm drafting Taste of and I
won't be able to handle Davis being right about tasting again
and it will help me financially. But we all know you need that.
So yeah, please please look out for me one really quick thing
about these running backs that Pete's comment, kind of reminded
me that with Hydra fragile, I have been trying to do some of
the, like, I will take Pollard chub, Pollard Rome Andre or
whatever. And then finish out my full, I'm
only going to take four and do like Penny.
Damien Harris looks like Pollard, Ramada, Dre, Penny
Damien here, It says my for so like I'm still not awesome at
wide receiver, but like, I'm not completely locked out as a.
Like if you take running back running back, running back like
you're really in. It's a hyper fragile.
It's hitting this front pocket in the 10th round.
Exactly, exactly. It's a good way to play that fun
pocket on the 10th and I think I like that a lot.
And because the that second third round of running back is a
really good running back pocket. So you can kind of hit both of
the best running back pockets in the draft and still not get
locked out everywhere. Right, real tight end after
commit. Is there anything else yet Dolce
itch? Laporta the man who won't really
game. We could set something up with a
Matthew Stafford double with higbee.
This seems like a good time to grab another running back.
You want to go Warren and play on this week?
Yeah, yeah. Like that. because that also
gives us more like, Noah Fant, Yep, at the back end.
What's the one case? I haven't heard this yet?
Like, that's pretty far ahead of ATP.
You haven't pretty high in your ranks.
Pat what's the case for? He's the best back in the
Steelers backfield, it's just nine picks that ATP.
But yeah, it's just what? Oh, it was just 9.
Yeah. Not too bad.
He's been getting steamed up there a little bit like he
opened on like 175 and it's just been inching up.
He's also protected. I think some of these are be
please clear. Our be tools that are Elected by
the running back in front of them from the signings like
noisy here is sucks. But he they spent a first-round
pick on them and they're not gonna like bring in some better
and competition. The great point.
I really like that. Yeah.
So you just you know what you're getting and also he literally
might be the best running back on the Steelers.
It's the same people step this chuba.
Like that's what you exactly the same guys.
It's like Schubert. Yeah, exactly.
The same concept in ESPN's receiver ratings, top top, three
running backs. Christian McCaffrey Austin
hecklers Jalen Warren which is crazy.
He did it. He wasn't a great receiver in
college this like really came out of nowhere, Oklahoma State
they didn't throw to him. Really.
So that was wild. I mean, it was dope.
Use fun to watch last year, for sure?
Yeah, it was fun. I like Deon.
Jackson was fourth. Joe Mixon.
Then Korean hunt. Then Jerick McKinnon and now.
So stop taking Evan Hall as the data honestly.
Maybe, maybe it's Dion. He was good, he was good.
What do you guys like here? Like the stuff with the Rams?
It's like, somewhat Ricci dulcich is unstacked.
We could just take another one off running back that we like to
get to what 6? Yeah.
Something or you don't like
Stafford at this point. It's too early.
Well that's what I was like. We could definitely do Stafford
let's just do Stafford and get. I think it end.
I think we just do it. Yeah I think it has to do it.
I don't know if you guys heard but you're not allowed to take
two, quarterbacks you play against each other.
And week 17, we're back. That's right.
Fucking idiots. It does limit your transition,
it does give you one less out, right?
But you're just you're betting on that game stack.
Yo casting on Chatham in the 11th round in a puppy right now
is 0 wide receivers. I mean I don't I think you're
accusing me. Got to the wrong place.
You're in the wrong chat. You're in the wrong place in
your draft. Like you got also way back home,
man. Where are you drafting a puppy
because those tournaments, don't ya.
This must be a super slow puppy, right?
Oh yeah. Yeah, a slow draft.
But oh my God. In the 11th round in the 11th be
over by now. I would like email honored.
Honestly, if that was me, I would like email Underdog,
customer support, and ask them to this.
Just like, we remove it from my act like I was, I'm still it put
me on, aren't you jack? But I don't want to see it
anymore. I would email them and say
there's collusion in this draft. I don't know who it is but some
guy hasn't been some guy hasn't taken a wide receiver in the
first 10 Rounds. These other 11 owners have
colluded against me. There's no other way.
This could happen. After the receiver, 411 fucking
rounds. And somehow this is not my
customer is always right, right? I mean test it out.
See what happens at Nick Rudman believe is who you want to.
That's where you want to direct that.
Sorry baby. It's dreamers at it again, I
guess. Apparently, the slow puppies are
a thing. Everybody's saying that Jesus?
I can't fly. Those puppies are in the 9th and
10th John. Yeah.
Wow saying it's puppies in the 9th and 10th fuck that's insane.
Wasn't that things weeks ago, right?
Okay, so Paul saying people are milking the clock in case you
know News Right comes out really excited for may not make it back
and it's a five dollar drafts. You guys realize we're about 20,
the count is of course we are. I knew that this would be this
would be an epic history. Look man.
My job was to make sure we had some semblance of a stack with
with a stupid. Fucking hell pick in this
goddamn poodle, actually And I comments.
I'm sitting. I'm happy, dude.
I'm sitting back Victorious. But Don's, pick the Dons.
If you're watching, please pick quickly.
I want a timeout. Listen to, but I know he's got a
fucking headphones and he's here in round 14.
Tonight is something I've never been more comfortable my whole
life. I can't wait, I can't wait to
draft a how we got him? Stuck in Antonio Gibson, two
players than Washington coach steps gonna fucking hate by the
end of season. Great job, great build, we
crushed it. He told me Bruce Set handoffs
the Brian Robinson, all the second half and this team is
yeah baby. He totally nailed it.
He's amazing, I'm tilting. I'm happy Sam.
How come on down, I'm waiting for it, waiting for pad to put
his feet up on the table and do the kid airiest.
Tony tolbert's. Sam how Like you work at was it
intentional to auto-draft us, he was standing around the corner
you came in right after the I always try to get Pat.
I was gonna be like you want to log into my account because I'm
having to do shit right now. But I mean Pat taking Sam how 40
picks ahead of ATP. Seems like a good dose of
medicine, he needed to take Pete.
That might have been your best bit ever.
So I hope it was interesting. Metal to take care of a
six-month-old, but yes, well, your B crush, even when you
don't need them to be bit. What we're good at quarterback?
Yeah we're set. We're fucked.
Wow, great Jared Goff is still on the port and we took same
that's amazing. Feeling good.
Okay I will say Curtis Samuel as a wide receiver 7 starting to
look pretty nice. Real nice also Logan Thomas do,
we attract the tight end Hilarious.
I mean we had to take tasting. All right, so we have to kiss
again. 35, we have to take great doll Church, fucking 30 pigs
past EP, right? Yeah.
What happened to Greg Dahl is it?
Pad is now done gatekeeping on Greg Dahl judge pumped and
dumped him last year. Now you can't draft him because
Nathaniel Hackett is gone. Is that what you're doing path?
Well, I mean a big part of my dulcet bull case was that
Nathaniel Nathaniel Hackett was on the record saying, look at
that hair. Look at that.
I mean, that's, that's Polish guys, that's bullshit.
And what they did? Oh my God!
Look at that hair. Oh my God.
It's so beautiful.
Coach wasn't helping him out. Yeah, it just absolutely absurd.
It's so beautiful. Oh man.
Why we okay I don't even fit so Tyler higbee when I pick 155 so
that that dream had died quickly.
Anyways It's fun, it's fine. We got to do with Jared Goff.
Wait what the fuck is good? Is your just draft?
This guy Jesus Christ. See how we could use a third
quarterback. Don't acknowledge that the
catch. I bet ha ha I got one of you,
everyone's a slave to their there too.
If GA does it take am on Raw as a second QB, with adjusted
Herbert team. We've truly jumped the shark.
How Stephanie has t law and deck already so.
Yeah, I get it. I'll come by your died.
I took I took Kyler Murray on a Jalen hurts team as my third
quarterback, when he felt past Pick 200.
Like, at some point, like I'm just stacking that bitch up.
What are you doing with Kyler? What you guys doing Kylie?
I'm taking him some when he plummets that take him a little
bit. Yeah.
Like with who though? Not nuke.
I had a marquee. I think it was a marquis team
that I had them with and then run building.
Yeah, McBride. Yeah I can do little backdoor
stuff. Can ya?
All right there he goes Jared called Help Nick 183.
What did it say to room? I hope I hope you take Josh
Reynolds. I hope the gulf slide forces you
into a Josh Reynolds pick for Ackley foramen.
Could leave Raymond, maybe. Yeah.
All right. So is this is this, the three
Titan build? Or can you get away with two
adult judge? I think it's the right balance.
It's preferably three but three quarterbacks and three tight
ends. It's tough to pull off on ya.
There are be but our running back room is Pretty good.
I think we could be done at running back.
We honestly could be its relatively wide receivers.
Are we take him? We do need a stack with the
Japanese Slayton slayton's. A good stack with wood.
Yeah, I'm is. What are you doing about Paris,
Campbell you guys taking him? Yeah, dude, it's a crapshoot
with the Giants, guys. And I'm just gonna throw my
hands up and I decided this was like them animal.
I kind of feel like he's decent. Matt Harmon likes likes a gamble
a little bit. I like to lean in and you know I
like to lean into you guys but some of those takes and if Matt
if Matt's like a cable might be a little better than we think
that wide receiver room need someone who's a little better
than we think. And so like if you can play if
he can actually play outside I don't know.
I think he's reasonable but they're all.
Are we that we should likely do if we need mega upside
likely is probably my favorite play.
If we don't need, you know, that kind of upside all these guys at
the top look good fan, fan fan correlates with.
Art Seattle. That's the truth stack.
Yeah. Oh we get to do a Logan Thomas,
Jesus Christ, why are you really coming down like it that we got
to make sure we have our guys stacked up you know.
Yeah could we couldn't pass him now we gotta take him.
Yeah. Yeah let's take a look at
Thomas. Yeah.
So when Logan Thomas loses the job to Cole Turner.
Yeah. That way they're all fucking
stacked up there. Look at that color, Jacoby.
Brissette throwing touchdowns to Cole Turner and handing off to
Brian Robinson. All right, who's our who's okay
him this team? Yeah, what's the pick?
Do you want to do know a fan, just as one of our tightest?
Yeah, let's do that. Yeah.
All right, one more pick. We're at a 357 to build Daniel
Jones. Matthew Stafford, Sam, Howell,
accidental pick, wink, wink. DeAndre Swift Rashad, white
Damien Harris. Antonio gives a jail and Ward at
running back wide receivers Cooper cup krisiloff.
A Devante Smith jsn, Chris Godwin, deante Johnson, Darius
slate, and tied in Greg. Look at that hair, double chin,
Noah Fant. I mean, the the huge Advanced
Tech in love with Thomas's before he taking like we've
already taken. We just took two other guys with
210 atp's. They already took Sam howl.
Like No One's Gonna have all these 200 plus ATP guys.
That's our Galvan knowing that's true.
That is actually just drew. No one is a bunch of a scythe
rounders but we have four of them.
That's what I told myself. When I auto pick Terrace
Marshall in the 14th round about three hours ago, I had the draft
ended up crashing me once and I think Think it was Tyler Boyd.
Who I took like the seventh round house.
Go back with jobber. Oh, yeah, we stacked as I'd
start everyone. I'm Emanuele.
Yeah. So yeah.
Best of all Brides. Don't understand the lineup
attrition, there's a tradition to your team.
Like you want you punt off a handful in every single so
you'll definitely Gotta Lose a few battles to win the war.
Why wouldn't we take Logan Thomas though?
Like actually I mean so I was gonna I was gonna ask that.
What do you guys do with a situation like this where So we
went 0 RB but we also have you know late-round tight end and
like I agree with you guys that I'm clearly comfortable with a
running back room like this. But generally speaking you know
a late round running back would do would really be helpful to
this build but also. So would a late-round tight end?
How do you? How do you guys generally?
This is one of the most difficult things I struggle with
is, like, I know I need a third tight end, but like, also those
five running backs are not totally awesome.
So, like, how do you decide between they are?
If this was me, I would be taking a sixth running back
because I'm perfectly comfortable with adult Church
fan combo at tight end and I'm kind of with Eric that I feel
slightly naked with five Arby's in this build.
But there's that hate Arby's, just no good arm.
Yeah, that's the problem. But you could correlate one, I
could surely one, right? Seven Silver's are be 44, in
the, in the last round. Sorry.
Wait, Ty Chandler is Evansville with our be 44.
Is that real? Apparently all of those tolls?
I've actually never double checked him.
God bless you and we just we just quoting a fucking YouTube
comments. Hey that's never.
Let us is notoriously. Unreliable you come on YouTube
so that you did has ranks out right now, like honestly
shocked. It's a top 150 W ATP like yeah.
All right, Ty Chandler, Logan Thomas, the great debate.
I mean, you guys, you guys, believe in your guy or not,
stack em up, we believe in Sam how, we just don't believe in
loving, Thomas. I mean, I'll vote.
Well, you've really tied yourself.
Having fun. You're just like, you're the one
saying, Chandler grach. What's the vote?
Is Michael Mayer still available because he's almost Logan,
Thomas, did he go? All right, so we have one vote
Chandler, Chandler, Chandler stack up your guy Chandler,
sorry man, bye. If you're gonna drop out, you
can't even stack them. You were the doltish guy?
We drafted dull church. Let him be alive.
And I want to taste it, but I knew it would.
He kept quiet. We stack them with Antonio
Gibson. Yeah, exactly.
Be Rob gets the carries and Gibson gets the touchdown.
Hi Chandler at 170 as fucking nuts.
Boom. Right behind Alexander.
Fucking hangs dong on his rank. This is some real.
This is some serious talk. I like Chandler.
I draft Chandler. But this is fucking aggressive.
How is he died getting steamed up after this?
Well, we, we just took them. We're getting my goodness.
Let's go. I'm really, I'm real but not
right now. All right, this team is done in
the reviews are already coming. In Wind Gator, says this
Gymkhana, I asked you guys. If you wanted a draft a real
team or if you wanted to experiment and the poodle you
guys wanted the experiment, you got to live by the experiment
and that includes a Sam. How Auto draft while I take care
of my baby, the final team Daniel Jones.
Matthew Stafford say about Hal's DeAndre Swift for shot white,
David Harris, Antonia Gibson, Jalen Warren Evans, Silva's are
be 44. Chandler wide receiver Cooper
cup, Chris Allah be divided to Smith Jr.
Said, Chris God. Would deante.
Johnson, Darius, Slayton tight end Greg.
What a hair Dolce and Noah fan tight, and it's honestly, fine,
could use sketching and Thomas. It's a good.
It's a good team. It's fine.
Good to our meet you. We're on the rating.
Have the team is because we're not used to recognizing that.
That's a really fucking good. First six receivers.
So, and the running backs are really good.
The running backs are great. Yeah, forgetting the and Daniel
Jones is a lie. Legit like we drafted three
quarterbacks because we took Sam Howell way early, but like you
could take it to two quarterbacks you McDaniel.
Yeah. We could have taken to our,
yeah, or two quarterbacks, sorry, for sure.
Yeah, John Stafford would've been fine.
I didn't need help but honestly wouldn't that be better as a lot
cooler that we took out. Love the wide receivers little
worried, a little little worried about everything.
I'm actually not worried at all about our running backs and yeah
that's no fucking. Yeah.
We're about giving tie-dyed quite a bit but yes.
Correct. But the tight ends are not
great. Let's just say if Sean Payton
falls in love with Greg Dahl chips, as much as Nathaniel hack
it did we're going to be in great shape.
Great. Shake the new job.
Love ya, man. The poodle great time to
experiment to live a little here.
Eric, what else do you got going on over at Spike week?
I know you and Pat are doing a weekly show.
I've been enjoying listening to those.
What's up in your guys's neck of the woods?
Yeah, check out the generally comes out every Thursday, Pat.
And I do a show together called legendary sickos.
Little bit of a spike week in legendary upside collaboration
and of course, just go to spike week.com and our bread and
butter is, of course, we have rankings.
We have content and everything like like most people do, but Ty
Chandler is not one overall in my rankings.
But the best ball tools is where is really where We Thrive when
you're drafting, we have what we call our draft hacker, overlays
Pete had a different version of them up on the screen that you
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I think we have like 50 options now.
It's kind of crazy. You can see absolutely anything
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People were adding so many different percentages and data
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Go ahead. So I was on a stream today and I
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you guys like figured out a way to create a fucking draft board.
Yeah, there's a draft board. Yeah.
We built a draft board so if you built a Draft Kings draft board
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It is Spike league, is what we like to call it.
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Gretch, what's going on in your neck of the woods?
You've been pumping out some stealing signals post.
I've been enjoying. Yeah, I did look back at last
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I'm taking the long weekend, but obviously guess you guys get a
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Wednesday night for ship. Chasing for grach for Pat.
I'm Pete, for sure, 54. I'm messing up my thing.
I got to get the fuck out of here.
Good night.