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Hi guys. Our heroes Pat and Davis.
I definitely felt some sadness, some jealousy when it came to
Dog Bowl this weekend. Maybe Pat, I should have entered
it. Yeah, that is generally how one
gets to go to the dog bowl. I didn't really enter it either.
You know, the newborn, the having a newborn, the newborn's
not sleeping right now. So she's also not a newborn.
She's like 8 months. She's like, I was going to say
she's like 8 months old dude. You can't get away with.
Sleeping about as well as a newborn so she's she's a newborn
until she can sleep through the night it's.
Wait, Pat, remember the rule of Pete?
She's 0. We always round to years, so
she's not one. Yeah.
We can round up, we can round up to one now she's.
She's close to like 110. Yeah, but yeah, it looked like
fun though. It sounded like a fun time.
Yeah, it looked like a fun time. How?
I guess how serious FOMO for those things?
Literally, literally none. Yeah, yeah, I, I don't know.
I, I, I'm just a stick in the mud, bro.
It's, it's, it's, it's very much not for me.
It's I, it's anti cabal of me to not want to go to the cabal
event. What can we get data?
From New York, You, you, you can have a good time.
You're not. Yeah, that wasn't, that wasn't
Cabal, though. That was we were, we were, you
know, just sitting. Sitting me, That's a cabal
adjacent. Cabal adjacent.
Cabal adjacent for sure. Yeah, that was a good.
Time Team names are being you know sent to R&D for next year
Cabal adjacent. What do we get Davis through
like I I've met Pat a a few times and different to the the
Expo in Vegas and I'm not everywhere, but I even have been
talking. I have a friend in Saint Louis.
No pressure Davis you know you and I have not had this
conversation, but I have a friend in Saint Louis.
I love to go there and see a ball game every couple of years.
We've got Roto Pat in Saint Louis, right?
Like, I mean, maybe we have to go to him, Pat.
Do you? Do you GM?
I play, yeah. That's you can get me, you can
Get Me Out of the house to to golf.
Generally, generally that will I'll I'll do, I'll do a golf
trip. To play, yeah, OK.
Yeah, to play all. Right.
We've got Ryder Cup that this is not, we're not going to play in
the Ryder Cup. We've got that in New York
State. I'm stretching it.
It's about 8 hours away at Bethpage this year.
But all right, noted. We'll talk about that either of
you guys. So I'm in Buffalo and I'm
working on the Bills network. We had a 425 game the Eastern
yesterday. So that affords me sort of the
1:00. I mean, just it felt right with
my family's other stuff to sort of watch the 1:00 games.
And by 1:15, I was thinking of you guys in terms of like, is
Saquon Barclays dud a week early?
Like it you had a big game. Well, play early.
I'm not watching the game. I don't know if he's hurt or
what's happening. So I don't know if that thought
crossed your minds. He eventually got there.
Of course, not a huge game for him, but still over 100 and
still in on pace to break the record.
Yeah, I downplayed the the Giant game from a few weeks ago purely
from a best ball perspective in terms of the impact it's going
to have, because he's already have such a massive advance rate
for like the teams that pushed over the line are probably like
not even that good, you know, or a lot of them aren't.
But I'd also downplay this dud. This dud doesn't matter either.
He's still going to smash. So yeah, I mean, as far as like,
if you don't have Saquon and you were looking forward to a dud,
this does nothing for you and you're still in the exact same
situation you were last week heading into Week 15.
The the bigger issue it is actually in the context of best
ball is that Barclay teams are either advancing or just super
dust like the worst possible team in your pod.
The bigger issue was guys who were marginal advance rate guys,
Darnold, Jefferson, Addison, Josh Allen, Puka Nakua.
These guys, like Puka Nakua was a negative advance rate player.
I'm going to guess, I have not checked that.
I'm going to guess he is now a positive advance rate player.
Josh Allen was a negative advance rate player.
I'm gonna guess he is. I'm gonna guess the Josh Allen
swing from yesterday is the biggest single week swing in
advance rate of any player. I I despite Justin Jefferson
being on my my most drafted list, I believe he was my fifth
most drafted player overall, having his best game of the
season. I lost teams yesterday.
I lost some teams too. So I I'm gonna guess that a big
chunk of that was puka teams that were close and Josh Allen
teams. So what can you do?
What can you do? You live and you learn, I
suppose. Allen over 50 points, you know,
we haven't talked about quarterback too many times.
A lot of this show since at least I've jumped on has been
sort of reflecting on what we did right or wrong and the the
season that's gone by. And if you look at the it's not
a fantasy stat, but you look at the passing leaders right now
and it kind of can blow your mind.
I mean, it's Geno Smith up top. Cousins make sense.
Burrow makes sense. Then it's Mayfield Lamar, of
course. I mean, Mayfield, I think has
been in sort of the darn old shadow a little bit this year.
But I might just that that's only my perspective.
But you know, if Jameis Winston, if not for Watson's contract,
Jameis would be on this list too.
Got guys who were may be interesting think about go back
to fantasy football, think about dynasty or whatever five to
seven years ago and they're leading the NFL in passing this
year. It's not Mahomes.
It's just kind of a weird year like that.
What what was the right overall strategy when it came to
quarterback? I mean Alan had this game
yesterday Pat, but still like I mean Jalen Hurts keeps keeps
running them in. Hilarious again yesterday with
Barclay just getting stopped at the one maybe twice.
Well, I mean, it's a strange year because a lot of the late
round hits weren't really drafted right like you'd say
Jameis was, you know, not even a late round guy.
He wasn't on the radar. You look at darn old.
I mean, for most of the offseason, we were assuming that
McCarthy would eventually be starting his games and or maybe
you know, well before now and then even after McCarthy got
hurt, Donald wasn't like a big target for people generally.
Russell Wilson, we had the whole Russell Wilson field stuff, but
that kept his ADP way low. So some of the guys that you'd
really like to have now just aren't like in the pool as much.
I mean, but at the same time, you do have like Baker's been a
big hit. There have been some big hits.
Jane Daniels was a big hit and kind of heading into the double
digit rounds. So there were a ton of ways to
play later round quarterback. I do think that Knicks, I do
think that the elite quarterbacks are probably better
picks than like I feel like they are because I wasn't pairing
Lamar and Henry. I wasn't pairing Lamar and Hertz
and Saquon. Do you have those?
If you have like Hertz, Saquon in your portfolio, then I'll.
Tell you what, man, I, I don't know if I'd be that happy if I
was really overweight on Hertz right now.
They, they, the Eagles very low key have entered into their
Chiefs era in the sense that they are, they're like, yeah,
dude, we're we're. Good here.
We're good. Let's, let's get, let's just
call, let's just call 22 points and just call it good like.
And, and by the way, I don't know if you guys caught this
A.J. Brown yesterday and you guys
catch this in the press conference.
They said, what can you guys improve on?
And he just deadpan looks at the reporter and he says passing.
And they go, do you want to elaborate it on that?
And he says passing. Next question.
Not very Gucci headbands of of Jalen Hurts.
Although let me tell you the the the satisfaction I felt when
Grant Calcaterra, who I have to be truly the only person in the
fantasy community who has championed this guy, scored a
touchdown yesterday that it felt I was like I knew I was right
about this. I.
Knew. Oh, Davis.
I mean, that's when my Wi-Fi goes out.
That's on brand. This is so on brand.
You know, if you if you guys were Larry Sanders Show fan
fans, there's one episode where Janine Garofalo is trying to
book for Larry Sanders and she books some actor or some
comedian and, you know, he's kind of a nobody.
And Larry Sanders says what? Gallagher's out of fruit.
Is that too old a reference? I don't know.
Like of course, Brit, I've heard good.
Things about The Larry Sanders Show, I don't.
I've never watched it. I of course, of course
Calcaterra is on your your, your list.
I, I, you know, I'm such a degenerate that I don't relate
Larry Sanders to The Larry Sanders Show.
I relate Larry Sanders to the old Milwaukee Bucks center who
led the National Basketball Association in blocks.
This was like, this was like 2015 air or something.
But yeah, historical anomalies has the stat in the chat that I
was looking for. Hertz completions 14 eleven
15814 the last five games, which I believe were all victories.
And they are, they keep pounding the rock like way more.
I don't know what their PREPROE was yesterday.
I can pull it up. But they've been outrageously
run heavy over the last like really since the week 5 by every
week since the Week 5 by there's been and they've played the Jags
and they've played the Ravens. They've been in all these
situations where if they wanted to, they could have passed.
But they just, it's not how they're built, right?
Now, well, this might not exactly reflect on Philadelphia.
I know they've played Dallas twice and they've played the
Giants once, but what's maybe a take away from this year?
I don't know if it is from a fantasy sense 32 teams in the
NFLI think still there's no teams in like London or Moscow
next yet, but it's it's 32 Brazil eight are three and ten
or two and 11:00. And that doesn't even include
tonight's teams, Cincinnati and Dallas, who could also shut down
Chase and Lamb Higgins, you know, depending on where it
Davis, you made this point a couple of weeks ago.
Look out if Cincinnati loses to Pittsburgh, which they did.
So I know we got The Simpsons, meaning that that game is locked
in on Monday night game, but perfectly.
Perfectly cromulent, people are saying. 1/4 of the league is 3
and 10 or two and 11 Breece Hall neighbors.
You know some of these guys that seemed like good if not great
bats are just kind of a victim to these.
These teams were all dead a month ago, and why shouldn't
they shut their best players down?
Well, The thing is this football players don't do that.
Pat and I talked about this last week.
I literally don't even remember what show it was, but we we did
talk about this like Jacob made this point to me.
That's an NBA thing. NFL teams like dude, Tre Trevor
Lawrence had a literal his non throwing shoulder was like
separated and he was like can't wait to play.
Can't wait to play for my dead Jacksonville Jaguars team and my
coach. Who was.
Forced to get out there and and light it up for Doug.
Yeah, Like these guys now Higgins and Chase I think are
you could say there's very real reason to think that they might
not play because neither of them have got their guaranteed money
basically. Higgins in particular, I think
would be more likely. Chase, I think wants to lead the
I mean, he wants to lead the league in all the category,
right. We talked about, we actually did
talk about this last week where he and just like Chase wanted to
be or Jefferson, Chase wanted to pay $1.00 more than Jefferson
and Jefferson had the huge game yesterday.
So now he leads the league in receiving.
Chase will want to keep playing. You could definitely see Higgins
and I think Lamb, by the way, Lamb I think is, is a big
candidate to get shot because he's banged up.
He like legitimately has a shoulder injury.
And he got paid. And, and he got and he got paid,
but by and large, like neighbors is just going to play.
Neighbors was supposed to be on a snap count yesterday.
He played his highest snaps of the year yesterday by just by
the way, which is just that's just kind of how these guys are
built, man. Football players, you got to be
built different to play football.
They they mostly just play. And the coaches don't.
I mean, there's no incentive to shut your guys down as the
coach, you'll you're much more likely to get fired.
You know, if, if the product on the field is horrendous, you'll
get fired. That's the that's always the
lesson in the NFL. Like it doesn't really matter
the bigger picture like immediately gets forgotten about
every single time. So.
Well, I mean, this is going to go the other way eventually, if
not soon, because I mean, tanking has been a topic in
sports since what, Patrick Ewing?
I mean again another. This is the wrong class to tank.
For well, that that that might be true, but still the first
pick is better to have than the second and and on down and other
sports have graduated to this kind of thinking.
Why? Because the data supports it and
football players might be built different, but they don't get to
decide. And the coaches are middle
managers anyway. So it's going to be up to the
organization. This is what we're going to do.
It depends on who owns the team, first of all.
And then sort of what their priorities are.
Is the coach somebody who's secure in his job or is he
somebody that, you know, can't afford to mess around?
That might make a difference. But we are we are headed toward
I mean running back by committee has already been a form of this.
I mean, when you're running back into the ground, no, because
this is a little bit more optimal strategic, you know,
safer different reasons for doing that.
So we do that because is running back by.
Committee bad, by the way, like what the Seahawks just did with
Zach Charbonnay is this is that sharper?
You just you go workhorse by. Committee well, running, running
back, running back, running back by committee is bad in the way
that some teams do it because they So the This is a huge
problem for the Ravens. You know what the Ravens are
going to do based on their personnel when they bring
Justice Hill and Mark Andrews in, they're passing the ball.
When they bring I guess it used to be Charlie Klar.
Now it's when they have Patrick Ricard and Derrick Henry on the
field, they're running the ball or they're going to do play
action and it's going to be a deep shot to Bateman.
That's like their that's like their play out of that
personnel. It it very obviously forecast.
That's I think that's why now Doug McDermott, another
Monumental, can't have it high school football mistake.
McDermott I don't know who you're morphing him with or
that's your bed. Doug McDermott is another NBA
player. Sean McDermott with another
Monumental can't have it time out and mistake yesterday, but
something I think that he and Brady do have well dialed in is
Ty Johnson and James Cook and Ray Davis are basically
interchangeable. They hand the ball off to Ty
Johnson. They'll run the two-minute drill
with Ray Davis if they have to, if he's on the field.
They're they, they are very good out of those, out of those
multiple looks in a way that the Lions.
Johnson usage come from dude was was well was yesterday look.
Only one of them is ever on the field.
They'll have a 6th lineman on the field for half the game.
Johnson got a little swing pass that he took to the house
yesterday. Davis had a 0 after a week where
he scored and you might have wanted to try him.
But but he only played 10 fewer snaps than cook Ray Davis did.
Well, what, you know, if I can go into Buffalo mode for a
minute, what concerns me more than the time out and sort of
the end game situation, which for the fourth year in a row the
Bills have lost the game of the year in the NFL.
Somehow they managed to do that is like McDermott after the game
talking about how how impressive or important the Rams running
game was and we couldn't get ours going.
I mean, that's in his heart of hearts.
I think the Rams ran for three yards per carry.
They just ran 45 times. It's in every coaches heart of
hearts and you know what? I've reached such an age now
where I'm like, you know what, sometimes you just need to be
able to run the ball for a 9 minute drive to break the spirit
of is there anything more demoralizing than giving up a
third and three run? The the team runs on third and
three and they convert. I mean, that just has to as a
defense, you just have to be like, oh Jesus Christ, we this
still has to keep going. Like it's so demoralizing.
It's. So funny though because like the
Bills were down so bad. Like, the game's over for like
95% of teams in the league, and the Bills are one of the few
teams where you're like, this isn't over.
Like they become. Scoring back and like then
you're like watching them play, you're like they're going to
come back, like this is going to happen.
Their defense let them down. I mean, the idea that there was
a run game is so silly. Like they you can't score points
like that through the run game. They were scoring points in
bunches like non. I mean, by the way, the Bills
defense cost our friend Peter Overs at $40,000.
I mean, he had he had the main battle Royale and underdog
locked up yesterday effectively at the end of the third quarter
of that game. And he Kittle caught a pass to
put him ahead of Pukunakua and it was basically done and
dusted. And then the bills were just
like, you know, you know what, let's just sound it for
resignifying nothing. Let's score this last touchdown.
I mean, Josh Allen had, he had 25 fantasy points in that fourth
quarter alone. Well, the defense is the problem
where Allen is, I mean. Allen.
Allen is not the problem. I mean, Allen is.
Allen, Pete. 'S problem, Pete's problem.
I mean, 3 rushing touchdowns. Pat's point.
They they never, they're always in it.
They have lost two games by 10 points or more in four years.
How many? 2 They lost to Baltimore this
year, which I want to go back to them by the way, because I think
Davis was really saying This is why they shouldn't have signed
Henry and they should. They should not have signed
Henry, which feels insane right now how productive he's been.
All right, O'dowdell and Tony Pollard would be better fits for
what they need. They lost to Indianapolis here
by 26 points when Jonathan Taylor scored five touchdowns 3
years ago like that. That's it.
They they do not have any bad losses.
The fans in Buffalo make it a a point about close games and I'm
sure I'm going to face 4 hours of that when I get up.
Done with you guys when I get to work today.
On the post game yesterday the 1st 2 calls were like fire
McDermott, which you know you might tell me that's what they
should do. But back to you, Davis, on the
Ravens. They need to, well, basically, I
think Tony Pollard would have would have been a better fit for
them because it allows them to remain multiple.
Tony Pollard is a very, very good running back, and Derrick
Henry is a great rusher, but not a great running back for the
modern game, if that makes sense.
I mean, and now obviously Henry will have 350 rushing yards in a
home playoff game or whatever. I think, I think the Henry sign
is fine. I think the like the Bills
yesterday, the issue for the Ravens is defense.
Defense. They had a good defense.
The Ravens would be such a problem.
They'd be a lot like the Eagles. I mean, they they can, they can
throw it on you. They can run it on you.
Like there's no good answers when you're playing the Ravens.
Lamar is way better than Jalen Hurts and and obviously that
pains me as my Oklahoma helmet is behind me, but Lamar is on
like a different planet from from Hertz.
I think Lamar's better than Hertz, too.
So you're, you're, I mean, having Derek Henry is kind of
this alternate punch that you've got.
Yeah, yeah. Lamar.
No really, really punishing defenses for overly focusing on
taking away Lamar and then you know, Lamar in the run game and
Henry and Lamar help each other there so.
If the Ravens had a great defense, Henry might be Barkley.
I mean, even from Week 1 when they lost in Kansas City, like
Henry isn't interesting in this game.
They're 8:00 and 5:00, like they're not likely to have any
home playoff games. They're in trouble.
They'll make the playoffs. There's still like 98% to make
it. So we want to be drafting them
in these playoff things, but. The Ravens just find the way to
loot like they just lose the dumbest games.
All the time, but. It's just insane, like every
game they lose, they snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
But the Ravens are in the worst spot on defense that you can be
in, which again runs counter to Mcdorman's.
Point, which is crazy against the run.
They're great against the run and they're terrible against the
pass. Like there's no worse spot to be
in the to like ask offenses to throw on you to.
Throw on you. The coaches, you know, as we
know, are still a little bit too tilted to the idea that they
need to move the ball on the ground.
And so if they're like, well, I basically have to throw here
like. I know you're.
Going to get points put up against you, you know, it's,
it's rough. The Eagles aren't the only team
that doesn't that didn't do it to.
Them even still even still there's this hat tip establish
the run crowd and here's here's the literal head coach the bills
yesterday talking about well, we really could have that that was
important in this game and oh too bad you didn't establish the
run because you only scored 42 points it's.
Kind of like I would have rather lost like a man like this.
That's right, coming back and scoring all these points and
then getting scored on again. I just hated it so much.
I'd rather have have fallen 6 points short at the very end and
just run at a bunch and and ran out of time like a man.
Right. I I said for years on the radio
here before McDermott that Rex Ryan, when he was coaching the
Bills, he thought passing was effeminate.
Yeah. That's what this fundamentally.
His dad is literally Buddy Ryan. Is that too old a reference for
you 2? No, I know.
I know, buddy Ryan. Get the Bears hat out.
The The thing is, is they just all wait the your I mean you're
going to spend all day on radio talking about this, but they the
bills ran the quarterback sneak on 1st and goal from the 1,
causing them to take a time out. Obviously they thought they
could get it, but like, that is the type of thing you cannot do
that they lose the game right there because then they run out
of the ability to call the timeouts, right, right.
When they turn the ball back over and it's like, well, you.
Do that play was an entire possession.
I mean, it was a possession. It was.
Very. No, basically it was basically.
Basically it was. Yeah.
And it's just like, well, you can't.
Yeah. I mean, that's all.
Dom in the chat makes a great point.
Like, sure, we're going to spend all the afternoon talking about
the timeouts. The timeouts are in error.
But it's like, it's the same thing with the Chiefs last
night. It's like, dude, if the freaking
Chargers, like, we can be mad about the way Kansas City
handles their stuff and doesn't go for it on 4th down and
doesn't run the ball and the defensive holding that wasn't
called and stuff. But like, if Vlad Mcconkey plays
in that game, what do the Chargers win by?
-1 negative, they lose that. There's something that happens
before we get away from the Bills.
Do you guys, do you guys know that they had nine players on
the field for the punt? What the what the time out meant
was the Rams did not have to get a first, assuming they recovered
onside kick. They did not have to get another
first down, right? So the with the Bills like 13
seconds, it's always like this. There's always a time out before
the gaff where you have like extra time to sort of process
and get it right somehow. They have nine players on the
field and then the punk is in the air and they let it drop and
the game's over. I mean, the only chance you have
with the ball in the air is to catch it and try to run for a
touchdown, and that doesn't happen either.
So not great. Not great.
What?
What is the supposed to be a defensive guy?
Well, he was. I mean, he calls that, he calls
that try to move. Again, he's tried being a
defensive guy again, it would. It might help the team.
It's a conundrum here, Pat. I mean, they've won constantly.
Remember that stat from 2 minutes ago?
Like they they win. Constantly what if what if What
if he's Mark Jackson and and they need their Steve Kerr?
What if he's the guy who? Sets.
He's the guy who sets the table.
He's the guy who teaches him how to win.
He's the guy who teaches him how to be men.
But you need the genius tactician you need.
You need the guy to take him to the next level level.
That's a good comp. You don't have there's not a the
owner here is not wired like that.
I mean he the the Bills went from nowhere to this and
McDermott is not going away. This is it's also all pattern
matching. Like the Bills could very easily
win the Super Bowl this year. If they don't lose the 13
seconds game, they probably win the Super Bowl that year.
So it's just like variance just happening in real life.
It's hard for our brains to make sense of it.
Although I do continually tend to think that in a way that by
the way, Andy Reid used to be this guy.
Remember when Andy Reid was like, oh, he's the funny clock
management guy. His team's always mess up the
end of games. He he never does timeouts,
right? Like, you can learn and you can,
although Andy's been really bad at that stuff this year.
So and Mcdermott's been good and Mcdermott's been good.
This was not a fourth down. This was a time out sort of
panic mode. He runs down the sideline.
You can run the sneak, you can run it again.
You still will score on the second one.
Probably they don't. Kansas City now about almost 80%
to get the one. Let's talk about these playoff
drafts as we get closer to the playoffs and, you know,
movement. Yesterday, there wasn't a ton.
There was a little bit in the NFC West that we might get to
with Seattle's win, but. The NFC West, No one wants to
win it. The the Rams are back in the
conversation after yesterday they go to San Francisco on
Thursday night who they never beat, but they did just beat
earlier this year on kind of a fluke anyway Allen is the is
Allen the one O 1 for sure now in I don't know I've.
Been I've been arguing about this with Sacrilegious for the
last 12 hours and I don't think we have got to a consensus on.
So you think he is the one O 1 or not the one O 1?
So I'll tell you, I'll tell you why I think he's the one O 1 and
why I think Sachs input. I basically disagree with Sachs
inputs to the modeling, which is he now that the Chiefs are
effectively locked up to the one seed.
He has changed his narrative on the quote UN quote big 5
quarterbacks where it was Lamar Allen, Mahomes, Goth Hurts.
He is now assigning a larger percentage of the Super Bowl
profitability probability to Russell Wilson, Jordan Love, and
Sam Darnold, effectively saying no big deal.
If you don't get one of the five guys, you, you still have a, a
A+ EV chance of building a Vikings team or a Steelers team
or a Packers team or whatever. And my assertation I, I just
disagree. I, I really, I really do just
disagree. The, the Steelers, it's, I'm not
gonna get tricked by them. I'm not gonna get tricked by
them winning 13 games in the regular season.
They're gonna, they're gonna go on the road to some team that
can score points and get blown out.
They, they, they won a game yesterday where no player saw
more than 4 targets and their leading receiver.
I was, I believe, Van Jefferson. I mean, I'm sorry.
I just don't buy it. I just do not buy it.
I think that it might be the difference because in these
playoff basketball contests, we're really focused on who will
get to the conference championship game and.
They have very high probability of that relative to what the
field is doing. Now Pittsburgh is now, yeah,
they have a really strong chance of making it to the the
conference championship game. If you look at like player
strength and you know what the potential brackets going to be
like, they're they're pretty well set up now.
The no issue, I think is that like, if you look at who's
actually favored to win the NFC and AFC Championship games, then
I think you go back to the Big 5 mentality because like, who's
actually likely to get not just to the championship game, but to
win it in advance to the Super Bowl?
I just pull up like the DraftKings odds.
The Ravens are plus 475. The Steelers are +800 to win the
AFC. So Sack is making the point that
now Baltimore and Buffalo are set up to play each other.
So what that means is sure, I will lose more teams than the
field in the divisional round because I'll have a lot of Bills
and I'll have a lot of Ravens. I will just get a huge portion
of my teams are going to die in that round.
I don't really care. Hang on though, is he right?
Like what are the likeliest seeds right now?
The Bills are very likely to be the two, right?
Not Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh at Philadelphia,
Kansas City, like Pittsburgh, has it.
Well, he's. Making a comparison between the
the Ravens and the Steelers, not the not the Bills and the
Steelers. I know, but how does Baltimore
get to Buffalo? Only if six wins in the first
round against three. If Bills are two and Ravens are
5, which is probably most likely, the Ravens are right on
top of Chargers in Denver and they're better than those teams.
So Chargers in Denver are you're six and seven.
Buffalo is the 2 plays one of those teams, the three is the
Steelers that plays the other, and Baltimore gets Houston.
Entirely. What if the Chargers fall
entirely and the Steelers win the division?
Isn't that what's going to happen?
Well, I'm giving the Steelers the division, the Charger.
I mean, somebody could fall out there, but it's still still the
same point. Miami or Indianapolis in place
of the Chargers. If Pittsburgh is the three they
win at home, they're going to Buffalo as the two the next
week. Baltimore goes to Kansas City if
it wins as the five. I don't think right now, unless
the Ravens lose, they play the Giants next unless they lose a
couple more or one more. Even then, maybe they're the six
of the seven, but I don't see how it's more likely that they
play the Bills than the Chiefs in Round 2.
Yeah, my, my thinking is more about the, so taking Allen one O
1 is going to get you less Barkley one O 1 because
Barkley's kind of the consensus one O 1.
So you're fading Barkley a little bit, which is pretty
scary because you if you go Barkley, there's still chances
you can get like where's Mahomes going today?
It was pretty easy before to to pair Mahomes with Barkley.
So you're like, I mean, that's six Super Bowl.
Now you got to play around the buys with with the Chiefs, but
probably not with the Eagles. Well, you know the other funny
thing about Kansas City teams, Pat, they're not going to score
very many fantasy points in the games they win.
So that's the other. They're going to be a lot of
Chiefs team. The Chiefs might be in the Super
Bowl, but they're it's going to be harder to advance them there
because they stink. Which is, yeah, that's how it
was last year. Like it was, it was difficult to
actually get the Chiefs of the Super Bowl, even though they
did. They have the buy, they didn't
have the buy, right? No, they were the last year.
Last year it was Kelsey was the huge edge because you got four
games, you got four games of Kelsey and he smashed every
game. Look, Allen, as the 101 again
right now, by the odds, that is four games in your Super Bowl
plan. I mean, they're pretty clearly
the best team in the conference. And then at the 2-3 turn, it's
what one of his cook or whatever you want to do receive Cooper
and then a Lion. The thing that's nice about the
Bills, though, is you can take their pass catchers the whole
way through. I mean, you could take Keon
Coleman and Dalton Kincaid and Matt Collins with your final
three picks and they'll be on the field.
And it's pretty easy to get Tim Patrick or you know, one of the
one of the lions at. 2-3 even expensive now people are people
are kind of woke to to Tim Patrick.
Well, then we we don't do that, then we know.
Brock Wright. Brock Wright is this year's
Juwan Jennings, people are saying.
It just to not shut the door on the Kansas City stuff.
It's hilarious, right? I mean, what was the script
going to be last night? Adam Crotwurst, my deep end Co
host, was like, this is going to be a walk off safety one way or
another. That's all that's left.
I mean, how many scenarios are left?
And I'm I'm envisioning not at the time, I can't say I called
this, but after the game's over, it's sort of those conversations
on the chief sideline where they know they've got it is like the
kicker going, why don't I just bank it?
You know, isn't that more interesting?
Like, I could just bank it. That's that's new.
What's left for Kansas City? It's incredible.
This what? What an incredible season.
Hilarious. Incredible.
Not the word incredible. Not the word I would use
personally. It's a dreary, say, a dreary
season. Dreary Rd.
One of those. One Steve Dreary 12 in one
seasons, I know. I'm telling you guys dude, it's
not who has fun. Watch the team is not having fun
playing. They're not fun to watch.
You spend the whole game just wishing that Xavier Worthy would
catch a long pass. He never does.
You, you watch Mahomes get yell at his lineman.
You know no one, no one's having any fun.
They're they're mad. They, they, they, they don't get
one call yesterday. The, the, the fans at Arrowhead
don't get one call. DeAndre Hopkins getting held on
the deep ball and and they start doing the the refs you suck
chant these are these are ungrateful, unhappy people the.
Vibes are backed. Like they're, they're the, the,
the Chiefs are very similar to that last Steelers team, the
last Roethlisberger Steelers, they, they won all those games.
No one believed in them. Everyone thought they were
frauds. Now, obviously the the
difference is Mahomes obviously is better than any of these
other guys and at any point Kelsey gets some good steroids.
The this left tackle, they sign Humphreys.
Maybe he learns the system. I mean, he was pretty bad last
night. He got hurt again.
Right. Last night, did he leave the
game? I I I I I I fell asleep at half
time. There's you left.
The game buddy, there's not enough money on earth that could
have got me to the end of a 19 to 17 chargers game.
I just I can't. I love, I love the chiefs.
I love Mahomes. I I I can't, I can't do it, man.
I can't. I cannot stay up for these
games. I get up at 5 AMI.
Can't. We'll do it for you.
We'll we'll agonize. We'll watch and agonize for you.
And, and when I woke up and checked the box score and I saw
it was 1970, and I was like, sure it was.
Why? Why wouldn't it be?
Of course it would. Oh, they banked.
They banked in a field goal off the up, of course.
Yeah, of course they banked it in off the upright.
It wasn't as much a doink as it was a rim shot from the Chiefs
at this point at Cleveland this week.
Seattle, Arizona, back to the playoff drafts.
So Seattle makes a big move in terms of the odds with that win.
They've swept the Cardinals. They were game up.
The Rams win. The Niners are not dead.
The Cardinals by the by the percentages, the probabilities,
the Cardinals and Niners are both close to dead.
But so we're not drafting them, I would think at this stage.
But what is Seattle? JSN Pat, come on.
I mean, going back to last year, this guy's having a breakout
season. Yes, it's awesome.
I wasn't as in this year, I got talked into him.
Sacrilegious was pretty big on him.
Ben Gretch is pretty big on him. Kind of got me back on the I was
pretty disappointed in his rookie year, but it's nice to
see, yeah, him coming on. He's the wide receiver, 5 in
points per game. Wow, wow, that's just that
actually bums me out. That's that's more of a stat
about wide receiver scoring than it is about JSN to be.
Frank and and Lockett Davis, I was watching you yesterday
morning and you're like, you got a question about Locket?
Like yeah, he's old. 0 yesterday.
He's not even a full time player anymore.
They're they're, they're doing more 12 personnel.
They're doing AJ Barner instead of Tyler.
Like, look man, time waits for no man.
You know, there's just really nothing you can do when when
Awesomeandias comes for you and they have came for Tyler
Lockett. Who's live in the NFC?
Detroit. Philadelphia.
Minnesota wins again. There's obviously fantasy
friendly options there. Is there anybody else?
The Bucks? Who else do we care about?
The the Bucks, if you are playing playoff best ball, the
team that you want to advance is the Bucks because they are
awesome for fantasy. They have a bunch of guys who
get points. Baker, Bucky, Rashad White, Mike
Evans, Kate Auten, These guys, these guys get fantasy points
and. They have a bad defense, too, so
you're kind of excited about the games they play in.
The other thing about the I mean, who's more likely to win a
game? Exactly not the.
Falcons, Falcons, yeah, like, give me a break.
So I just think from a playoff perspective, like the Bucks are
a better team. They're a more fun team.
Let's get them in. I think it's nice to see the
Cardinals going. I'm sick of the Cardinals.
You know it's. I am, I'm also, I am also sick
of the the Cardinals. Same.
Very, very sick. Yeah, they they spike for these
big games where you're like, oh, it's all working.
Like Kyler looks great. But then they so often just like
no show. And they have this like specific
formula where they, you know, they got to get the run game
going. And then they do stuff off that
like I like the the Seahawks are they're just kind of winging
that. It feels like a little more, you
know, like stuff just kind of happening.
And then the Rams, I mean, that was fun.
I would like more of that in my life.
Kyler Murray at this point, what is he like here?
Here is a season where San Francisco goes away and the Rams
are up and down. It's like right there.
They played Seattle twice in the last two or three or four weeks.
They lost both games for both by double digits.
Like this was Murray's year to show just maybe less in fantasy,
but in sort of real football. Like what he is, he's got the
contract. He had this sort of second
opportunity soon, the second act for him without Kingsbury, and
it's just too short. It's just OK.
He's too short. Honestly think that's a big part
of it. He's too short.
He's he's still a very good scrambler.
He's still a very accurate passer.
But you have to, when your quarterback is 59, you've got to
design your offense in such a way.
And it seems like maybe they don't want him running as much
as he did the year he was great, both for the year they won 11
games and the year he was awesome for fantasy.
I would guess because he's a very small man and they don't
want him getting tackled 100 times a year.
The offensive line's also pretty bad, and they also seem a bit
confused as to how to use Marvin Harrison Junior.
Like Marvin Harrison Junior and Kyler are a bad stylistic fit.
Marvin Harrison Junior's kind of like a classic.
Who's Who's a good guy Needs Burrow.
Needs Burrow. Not even he might need, he needs
like he needs a Stafford. He'd be electric with Stafford.
Lots of let him use his big strong hands, you know, just
kind of kind of let him run these boundary routes where the
quarterback has to fit it in a a tight window and stuff like
that. McBride is the way better fit
for. It's why McBride gets 14 targets
a week, because he basically just runs these very simple
crossing routes. Shallow post digs.
He runs the stuff that like Kyler can also like run with
him. That's exactly what I was
saying. Like, you roll to the One
Direction and McBride can literally come come.
With yeah, so you're just and you're hitting that.
That's so much easier. It's like a medium depth route
the guy's running exactly which you like, a tight end a little
bit more of an over the middle target sometimes.
So it wouldn't, it's not like, but I think, I think that's part
of it. There are some fun leverage
plays in the on the NFC side when it comes to the playoff
best ball, though, because again, I think I mentioned this
last week, but six at 3/5 at 4. The road teams could be favored
in both of those games with Green Bay maybe going to
Seattle. They play this Sunday night, by
the way, in Seattle. And then you could have
Minnesota going to Seattle or Tampa or something like that.
I mean, you could have the road teams being favored there.
I think you would for whoever goes to Tampa would be favorite,
I think. Then there's Washington, which
could slip into one of those spots, too.
Washington's playoff odds went up yesterday.
They didn't even play. I'm not even sure why, but like
they're shorter to make the playoffs.
I would assume it has to do with the Atlanta loss.
Maybe I don't. Know and they still play in Week
17, but Washington at BET Online went from -325 to make the
playoffs Sunday morning to -550 today.
It's a pretty big jump. So Washington looks look at New
York Times too. They look pretty safe if you
want to dabble in them. It's probably the Falcons loss I
would guess because it's it's a it's a wild card fight.
It is Washington's decent. Enough.
That's right. If you're looking for bye week,
you know, if you're if you're drafting the homes and then you
need, well, one, you need someone to cover your buy in his
playoff basketball tournament, but two, you need a quarterback
who actually scores points. You just have Patrick Holmes.
So Jaden Daniels is pretty. We've got nothing from Davis
there. I just, I'm just laughing to to
fill the void. I mean, really.
Sorry, I just got, I just got a a text about the Bitcoin price
that I was reading well. Read about that in Discord.
When I'm, when I'm sitting here saying Patrick Holmes doesn't
score any points and then you're just staring off into space, I.
Mean he also also what? Am I watching the games?
What am I watching the games anymore?
Dude, I just, I'm not staying up until 11:00 PM local time to
watch my team bank a fucking field goal off the upright.
I just they, they wouldn't do it for me and I'm not doing it for
them. Washington, Atlanta week 17 to
pivot back to regular season. Here we go.
Best ball mania wrapping up tonight with Cincinnati, Dallas
week 17. One of them is New Orleans
Raiders. That's probably Jake Hayner,
Desmond Ritter at this point, Carr.
Out for the season. Carr probably done.
O'Connell definitely done. I don't know about Minshew.
Minshew's out for the year. Minshew had to have a surgery I
believe on his. Collarbone.
OK. Yeah, just sort of it's.
Whatever time. Pat, like BBM, one game to go.
We, I think you said earlier you might have stepped back
yesterday a little bit. I did with Alan's game and a
couple other things. What just instinctively what
feels like has to go right. For me.
Yeah. Can we redo it?
The Patriots not to have a week 14 by the Patriots actually to
have no buys. No, I, I, yeah, I need, I need
some Patriots scoring for sure. What do I need?
I don't know. The Bengals can't shut everyone
down because like, Chase Brown and and and Chase and stuff and
those guys are. Actually Jamar Chase and T
Higgins being shut down would be fine.
Like just build the whole plane out of Chase Brown.
Like let's see what happens if we give a guy 40 touches in a
game. Like what just.
Yeah, that would be nice. Honestly, my path to winning is
probably the Ravens passing offense If Lamar goes nuts the
next few weeks. I've got some teams that I don't
have that many teams, but the ones I have are probably tilted
towards Lamar. The Lamar Andrews stuff is like
kind of squeaked by and you know, it didn't help me a ton,
but it was like OK enough to kind of get through.
So and Andrews mini resurgence scored some touchdowns and and
I'll and I'll be feeling pretty good.
So not Deonte Johnson. Not Deonte Johnson.
I didn't have a ton of Deonte, but yeah, he's, he's an
afterthought. I've got, I've got it through
Zay, I've got it through Andrews, not really through
Henry, but you know, Bateman all.
That right, Deonte Johnson and Carolina Adam Thielen, the
Panthers a little bit. They have Dallas coming up.
That's live. Adam Thielen.
Adam Thielen is going to be this year's Zay Jones, the guy who
completely broke fantasy scoring as a as a mid, Yeah.
At least he's somebody that we'd heard of all through the summer
when we were drafting these teams and not third string
quarterbacks or backups to backups.
Keyshawn Vaughn is possibly in line to step in in San
Francisco. No dude, I I'm pretty confident
that it's going to be a banacanda.
Well, they were both there for a few days and Vaughn played
yesterday and the Band of Canada didn't.
I want you to be right because at least he was somebody on the
ring. Here, but I was on with Sigmund
Bloom on the couch last week and he was well.
I mean, Durendo might also not be injured.
Durendo might be. He might come back and be fine
but I I would bet I would Keyshawn Vaughn is like the most
0 ass running back like he just is not good at all.
A banacanda has got some juice. I mean, Patrick.
Taylor. Also Patrick Taylor also has has
a little juice. My path to winning BBMI just is
not happening. I think any team I advance will
be so heavily duped by other shitty slappy drafters.
Like I think like whatever team I advance is gonna be like oh
dude Congrats you advanced your Chase Brown team.
Every other shitty slappy guy who faded Saquon Barkley and
Derrick Henry also has Chase. Like I don't have any
differential plays if that makes sense.
Like probably if I went and looked, probably all my teams
advancing have Rico Dowdell, Chase Brown and Brock Bowers on
them effectively. Yeah, I have some 55 fives that
are kind of interesting where I've got like like Rashad White
and some like weird dudes that I didn't normally take.
If if Chase Brown like legit crushes tonight, I think I I can
advance as many as four out of seven big dogs, but probably
will advance at least 2. So that that's like that's my
way out of the tunnel because I, I, I purposely kind of hedged in
those like I took chase over Jefferson on two of those.
Turns out kind of a good idea. Kind of a good idea to have so
much from our chase. Big dog pain too soon.
I'm in one yesterday, pets in it and there are three of us for
two spots and I looked at like 1:00 in the morning at 58
points. No, Daniels like just the bye
weeks and then Pitts, right? Or just that's whatever that is
at this. Point I have one that I'm
thinking we'll get through without a quarterback, but I
need a quiet game for my Kasuke or that's going to but that's a
Lamar team. That's a Lamar.
I wonder how much the the brown stuff will will carry teams
through because it's it is interesting.
Like if you stacked it, the slappies right.
We we stacked it like I have the Shawn Watson teams advancing
because they have Judy. When was Judy traded?
Early, right. Really early.
Before the NFL Draft, I think even.
OK, Yeah, that could that could fall right then.
Yeah, it was all my stuff. Was he was on the Browns?
Yeah. March Knife.
Yeah. OK.
Is he good? Yeah, I think he is, yeah.
No Dave split decision on the on if Jerry Judy's.
Good. I don't know.
It's like here's like the hierarchy of NFL wide receivers
is like, OK, clearly JA Juan Jennings is the best.
And then and then it's like Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson
like Judy can Judy can have a Brandon Cook style career where
like, oh, he's got some spike weeks.
Oh, he scored. He scored.
Not Robert Woods, Rob. Robert Woods.
Actually very good comp for what Judy could be in a competent
offense. Yeah, but I mean, Robert Woods
was pretty awesome for a while. You know, he was like 15 PPR
points per game for like 3 or 4 years until Stafford came along
and and it was just like caught. But for a minute there was like,
it was, it was evil. The crack rock moments in the
main event, right and. Oprah Cooper Cup.
I did two in the bare knuckle and that probably cost me bad.
Of course it did. I mean, I did the same thing
because I watch you guys. Well, I mean, I believe that
we're all voted. We won a cup.
Is is Jameis gonna start next year for the Browns?
I. Think so, man.
I mean. Well, what's his contract
situation? I think he's a free agent.
I do too. I'm not sure, but I think that's
right. Well, they're not going to want
to pay him. Well, except NFL teams never
want Jameis, I suppose. I suppose.
Yeah. No one that I was going to say,
oh, no one's got, someone's got. No, Sam Darnold's going to get a
giant check. Yeah.
The the Raiders I get. Well, of course Aaron Rodgers
will be starting for the Raiders, so I guess that takes
care of itself. Could we get again?
You have, you have for The Jets, eight teams at 3:00 and 10:00 or
2:00 and 11:00. There's a lot to hash out.
First overall pick. If New England gets it, they're
not drafting a quarterback. I don't know what the guy is.
I'm saying that it depends on sort of what the prospect looks
like versus the free agent, who the free agent is.
I think we talked about Winston last week as somebody that teams
would hate because the turnovers are just like just.
Yeah, that's it's always what happens.
We love him in fantasy and no coach wants to start him.
Right. I think the problem with that
you have with Jameis is that in order to win with him, you have
to like play for shootouts and play for variants.
Yeah, Yeah. And.
Coaches hate that shit too. They hate that, but like, So
what ends up happening is you end up doing like New Orleans
Jameis, which just sucks. Which is like, it's misery.
It's bad for him, it's bad for no one likes it.
It's so bad because you're saying like, I have this
volatile quarterback who I can't trust, like down to down.
So I'm going to like limit his sample as much as possible and
just pray he doesn't like do a back breaking mistake which he
does more than which he. Will do before.
That's the thing you got to give him.
You got to give him like 70. You got to give him like 60 drop
backs a game to minimize the impact of of the back breaking
mistake. He can't help himself, dude.
Yeah, those are coming. So you have to, but he also
makes awesome plays. So like you have to like
increase, just give him a ton of plays to work with, take the
good with the bat and you'll score points.
But that's not how they operate. If I'm a coach comfortable in my
position, maybe I've, you know, been around long enough and I
need a quarterback. I want to take a chance on him
the the the touchdown to Judy yesterday to make it it.
Was such a good play. That is incredible.
Like who is who is rolling left getting to the line of
scrimmage? When does he even see Judy on
that play? And you've got three defenders
in the area and he just like against across his body 30 yards
downfield touchdown like made it look easy.
I, I think you, you want to sort of, if you can, if you can
afford it as a coach or an organization, you want to bet on
talent. And as hard as it is, and as
important as it is to get that right he is, he's still
tempting. I I think that the most fun
outcome is that he goes to the Giants and Brian Day Ball
probably paired with like a mid or what are they going to do in
the draft like? They're taking Cam Ward.
Cam Ward. OK, so you get James and Cam
Ward. Dabel's got to be gone right
though? No, I think.
I think Dabel gets a pass. You know, I think Dabel and I
think Shane might go, but Dabel probably stays.
Yeah. I think they're together.
They both went from Buffalo together so I would think they
would either be both or none. And how together are they
really? I don't know.
If they, how, if they ball like, are they ball, Are you together?
He might say. We are right now.
Russell Wilson will lead a contract.
Well, Russell Wilson will get a contract for the Steelers.
Yeah, I'll just stay with the Steelers.
Yeah. What does Tennessee?
Do fields is probably going somewhere else fields.
Tennessee. Tennessee could be a sneaky
Darnold team. They could be basically they
say, oh, we're the same thing as the we say the same thing.
We're we're the we're the Vikings.
We have a good defense. We have a super low volume
offense. We have our great wide receiver,
Calvin Ridley. You know, we have Nick
Westbrook, Akane, So you have your Jordan Addison.
Yeah. Darnold if you won't even
notice. Yeah.
So notice the change. I, I actually, I find where
Darnold goes next year to be 1 of like the, the it's, it's so
fascinating. I, I also, I really do wonder.
There's definitely a chance. Everyone says no chance and, and
right now the team is saying no extension, but I think there's a
chance he comes back if they, if they're in the NFC conference
championship. You're telling me there's no
chance they resigned? Arnold I I I don't.
I don't buy it. If you got this play out of
McCarthy, you'd be ecstatic. Ecstatic.
You'd be, dude, you'd be, you'd be if, if you.
What are they? 11:00 and 1:11 and 2:11.
And two. 11 and two, yeah, they, they would be like, Oh my God,
JJ McCarthy deliver us. In fact, McCarthy would be
McCarthy. They'd be like 7:00 and 5:00
with with him. McCarthy would not be playing
this. Well, he can't.
Yeah, it would be all. Yeah, it'd be very, very
difficult for him to. Play as well.
Well, they're defense. The entire with McCarthy, but.
Their defense is great. I mean, maybe not great, but
aggressive and like they're playing.
They're playing teams that can't handle it.
I think it's great. Dar Darnold is Darnold is like
everyone. When Darnold looks bad, he looks
like such a buffoon. Like a bad Darnold play is like
a Jameis play where you're just like, I don't even know what
you're seeing here, but. If he plays against Minnesota's
defense, he goes 18 for 35244 two and two.
He's only having the success because he doesn't have to play
the Vikings. A little bit.
I still, I do still think that I do Purple Insider with Matt
Collar every Wednesday and we talk about this at length.
What do they do? It's a really, it's a good one,
but he gets paid somewhere. It might depend on whether they
win in the playoffs. You know, if they don't win the
playoffs, seems it ever. Was Yeah, yeah, bouncing the
wild card around. Sam, thanks for your service.
We appreciate you, brother. I mean, Case Keenum started an
NFC championship game in color on color TV for Minnesota and
that they they went in a different direction.
So they've they've been down this road.
But the deal with Case Keenum, the deal you struck with Case
Keenum was always, he's a really good backup quarterback, like
basically the bet. He never, he never agitates.
He's a good, good locker room guy.
He Case Keenum is the point and click quarterback.
I mean, he was an air, he was an air raid guy.
So that. Was what he did he?
Painted by numbers, Darnold is the exact opposite.
Darnold actually makes stuff happen.
He, he anticipates, he gets out of the pocket, he scrambles, he
he challenges the defense. It's it's not, it's not a one to
one there. Yeah, I think Donald, Donald's,
to be honest, as as far as like looking ahead for what is likely
to happen. I mean, it does.
It does feel a little like Daniel Jonesy, where you know
the worst thing you can do is like, commit.
To this. Yeah, right.
Like bet that this will continue in a way where if you're wrong,
you're like screwed. Like that's screwed.
Yeah, just don't do that. I think if you could get him on
like a cheap, team friendly two year deal with McCarthy so the
second he kind of turns into a pumpkin you just go to the
rookie. Yeah.
God, imagine, imagine a four year, $160 million deal for
Darnell. I mean, the moment that ink
dries, you're like, when can we get out of this?
Yeah. How much is guaranteed?
Fine, look at Tour right now. I mean he is kind of on a heater
since he came back, but does it feel like a Super Bowl?
Bet No. They they like look depressing,
man. I don't know what I don't know
what the deal is. Like no one on that team has
broken a tackle in the month of November.
Like it's every it's like a chain scoring a bunch of points,
but he looks awful doing it. A chain.
I don't, I don't know what, I don't know what the deal is.
He. Put on weight, he can't put on
weight. It was a running back.
I that's the Hayden had this great tweet yesterday that I
think about and I just in general, these teams with these
five 10195 LB running backs, they really just got to make a
deal. How, when, when, what's the
breaking point of giving this guy too many carries?
And I think a chain pretty clearly they they basically I, I
assume it was very similar to like Pollard stuff where they
were like, we're going to give you the ball ton, but you got to
put on 10 lbs and a chain putting on 10 lbs.
He still has the. Vision.
Yeah, he still has the vision, but he doesn't have the, the,
the wiggle, you know? Right, right.
Yeah, He should have put on the weight.
Yesterday he got stopped three times inside the three early in
that game. I'm like 30.
Six expected points on that drive.
And then he and then he got he got the ball again and he made
it. So they're no monster.
They they used them in that role.
But as it cost him on the other side.
Just another hat tip to Mayfield.
I mean, that's been part of the story of the year.
These veteran quarterbacks. We had Gino already sort of re
establish himself and the darn old point.
But Mayfield, I mean, think about the last two years with
this guy, you know, shunned from Cleveland.
It's Watson, Carolina. Will people remember him playing
for the Rams in that night game? I.
Remember that That was fun. He came in, he didn't have a
playbook that. Was it was fun?
He never practiced. Yep.
He falls into a good situation with Canales and Tampa.
They go to the playoffs in a bad division.
Way better than Darnold. I think Baker's better than
Darnold, for sure. The thing with Darnold is you
got it. Like, I mean, this is funny.
We saw this yesterday. Like, if you protect him, he can
do awesome stuff and if you don't protect him, he looks like
a disaster. And let the Falcons were getting
after them throughout that game, but then they like wouldn't get
out or he'd escape. You know, he'd make a sick play
to Addison. But like, a lot of it comes down
to he's not going to leave in the pocket.
So you got to like protect him and allow him to attack
downfield. So he's got to be someone with a
good offensive line, which he is where he is with a good
offensive line right now, but most likely if he leaves the
Vikings. Like I was looking at the PFF
pass block grades, like where he might go, like there's a lot of
bad offensive lines out there that could use a quarterback.
Like the Titans are 28th in pass block grade, the the Giants are
27th. So I think like trying to
recreate this Darnold experience on another team and it's
probably going to end in disaster.
The one that jumped out to me, I was looking at the pass blocking
stuff, was the Colts, not for Darnold but for Winston.
Doesn't it feel like Winston taking over next year when
Anthony Richardson gets hurt or benched and he just, he just
does this again for us? You guys, every week, every
week, Pat is pushing this idea that the Colts are going to go
get a a good backup and they just did and they got away with
it. I don't know.
Well, I mean, they it we're it's it's, you know, it's the thing.
I mean, I guess Flacco, it might still be under contract, but
replace Flacco with Winston. That sounds great to me.
Oh. Boy, I agree.
You too. The clock has ticked over one
hour, which I don't mind. I talked to Pete this week.
He's like, Shoop, you're not in radio, you don't have to worry
about it. So I'm not worried about it.
But it is an hour and it's been fun.
Not worried about it, He said nervously.
I'm but I'm moving on. Anything special you guys want
to promote? You guys are both doing tons of
work. I mean, right after this, I'm
going to go refill my coffee, but then Pat and I are going to
do a playoff baseball stream where we fire up the sidekick
and talk through some of the stuff that basically we're going
to argue against Sacrilegious and his.
Do we want to bring him on? Do you want us to have the
debate? Sure, Yeah, if he wants to I.
Don't need to have this debate and we might as well do it
online. Yeah, if, if Zach, if Zach is
around, he is, he is more than welcome to join the program as
always. Wish I could join you.
We'll have to wait until next Monday, but good luck tonight
and into the best ball playoffs with Pat Korean and Davis
Maddock. I'm Mike Shope.
This is ADP chasing. See you next week.
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That's waiting for you guys. All right, see you later.