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All right, so I've been waiting 
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today. 
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out, but we got Ben Gretsch, we 
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This is ADP chasing. 
Let's go. 

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ADP chasing is for when you 
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these guys are just football 
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And the targets for outrun 
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really nice. 
Actually back in if it's Austin 

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A to. 
Our crystal ball. 

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Close your eyes, you know all 
your. 

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Entries are going to. 
Lose anyway. 

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Yeah, that's fair. 
This is a Deuce von show. 

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It's. 
Anti cabal it's anti the best 

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ball thought leader. 
I'm obviously lying to some 

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degree because like I have a lot
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These guys, it's the most 
disgusting thing you can make. 

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But man, Pat, did you get Sam's 
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Yeah, I do have Sam's slides. 
Yeah, but I got Sam's slides are

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uploaded, so we're all good and.
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ready to do. 
This I wasn't ready to do the 

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cold open. 
I didn't have the brand the 

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let's go said as slow as 
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found the ship chasing intro, 
then found the ADP intro seconds

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after that. 
So it's that kind of show. 

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Honestly, this is already like 
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for preparedness for an ADP 
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So we're, we're still good, but 
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I'm good, you guys are making me
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I feel over prepared. 
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You are. 
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You're just like how you guys 

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Let's welcome Dwayne in. 

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I mean, I've been around here. 
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chasing Dwayne, you do 
incredible work over at fantasy 

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life. 
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different like write ups about 
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in, in mine, which is a little 
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data, the one that I really 
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And you also obviously had some 
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the, the usage numbers. 
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one. 
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Yeah, man, I appreciate it. 
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it's the tip of the iceberg, 
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these rosters are going to look 
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preseason's only a small part of
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actually go look at the data. 
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So we hyper hyper analyze it. 
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valuable. 
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not to over analyze it. 
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wrong direction at times as 
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But again, like it's the one 
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So you know, you write a 7000 
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up all night, you know, grinding
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so that you can get it out. 
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these things with all the other 
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draft capital, where they 
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agency, what they've been 
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to add up, obviously you get 
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clicks, right? 
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pretty good, like 'cause you're 
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all to align or if they do, 
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because it's like that one, it's
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So excited to join you guys. 
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season. 
Dwayne, you write the 

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utilization report, which is 
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I love the Did anything stand 
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Cole comment one. 
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that one had kind of a lot of 
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of things. 
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which is like the most 11 heavy 
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years, but last year you have 
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first round pick. 
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He was slightly above the league
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No, you got we get Colby 
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Carroll, you know, because these
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certain things or certain things
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encouraging. 
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that Romo, Dunze has a 50% route
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DJ Moore was at 63%. 
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personnel. 
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Everett. 
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Bears, like I'm just like, hey, 
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three wide receivers out there 
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and Caleb Williams. 
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Everett, he's not as good as 
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It's not an equal trade off. 
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concerned about the Bears. 
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man. 
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all these guys. 
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this game. 
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his reps out of the way and 
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That's interesting. 
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I didn't think about it in terms
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instead of like DJ Moore, 
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stupid. 
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Possible. 
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Because that's also rotation. 
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all? 
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very funny to me is that like, 
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freaking out about like, we 
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uncertain backfields because 
Khalil Herbert and so much, if 

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you run, are both going to sign 
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like, neither of them might get 
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Exactly. 
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rotated in on like the second 
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He took the second rushing 
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It might have been the third 
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rushing attempt. 
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one. 
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back off and you had the crazy 
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You know, where Caleb, Kayla 
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like the announcer's like, oh, 
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about to get like it's a middle 
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Like this was a design play. 
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know, back over to Swift, who 
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But yeah, the week before it was
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game. 
You kind of got to like wad it 

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But Roshan played first and then
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Well, Roshan wasn't even active 
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I'm keeping Swift as the lead 
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45% of the attempts and I've got
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participation. 
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guys splitting the rest of the 
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like, you know, enough camp news
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helps us determine which one we 
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the other. 
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of have sub roles. 
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package. 
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the passing down reps but cool. 
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guy that takes any of the other 
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Yeah, that's how I kind of think
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Dwayne, that really stood out is
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advertised. 
He made some really great plays.

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And if we think like, OK, this 
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good. 
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really high on Keenan and DJ 
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and I really like Rome Dunze and
I'm like, I think this is like 

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my favorite trio of receivers. 
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stuff is really concerning to 
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I'm high on the backfield for 
the stuff that I have always 

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called the high value touches, 
the receptions and and the 

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potential for touchdowns should 
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Swift, especially when he was in
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wasn't getting a lot of that. 
I mean, he was getting Green 

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Zone touches but kept going down
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whatever reason. 
But I do think the running backs

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in this offense should score 
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They should catch plenty of 
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And so then it's it's a thing of
like, OK, it's really crowded at

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the skill positions. 
But if Caleb is that good and 

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this offense is that good, we 
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What's like, Yeah, sometimes the
crowdedness holds down 80 PS. 

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But there's contingent upside, 
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Like if one of these guys misses
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time, then we're all fucking 
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This guy's 30 years old. 
He's been banged up. 

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Before, are they going to sign 
like, I don't know, Chris 

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Manhertz, they're going to trade
for Chris Manhertz? 

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What? 
This seems like philosophical at

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this point. 
Perhaps they do, actually. 

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Have Mercedes Lewis on the on 
the Yeah, there you go, Mercedes

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Lewis 18th round pick. 
I'm with Ben. 

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I think that Caleb is the best 
way that none of this matters 

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and and you really are hitting 
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these really good offenses, we 
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I would rather have the players 
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over certain guys that I know 
we're just going to get the 

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Even though they're talented 
players and they're earning that

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volume, it can really be 
misleading. 

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A lot of the fantasy points are 
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offenses. 
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when you watch Caleb, like he's 
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don't see everybody else do. 
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He's got a check down sitting 
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yards in front of him. 
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rookies are taking it. 
They're just going to check it 

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out. 
Kirk Cousins is throwing the 

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pass every time. 
He waits a beat, Moore, he 

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drills it into DJ Moore picks up
the first down on 3rd and 12. 

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Everybody obviously saw. 
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was him rolling to his right the
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you know, second layer throw, 
throw, you know, right on the 

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sideline. 
That was a great play. 

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Then they also saw the 
screenplay. 

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But I mean, this guy, like, 
those aren't things you're just,

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you're seeing really from 
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And the Bills were actually 
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coverages and stuff. 
I thought Hayden Winks did a 

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great job of kind of pointing 
that stuff out. 

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And some tweets that he sent out
yesterday, like, not all 

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defenses are the same. 
They are trying to, you know, 

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practice certain things. 
Yeah, it's mostly vanilla, but 

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they were doing some things to 
Caleb, and he was identifying 

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them. 
And he was really, you know, 

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answering everything like that 
they threw at him. 

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So I am with you. 
He's still a rookie quarterback,

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though. 
So it's like there is this 

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unknown. 
It is pre season, so how much of

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it can we take? 
Like last year everybody got 

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excited about Kenny Pickett. 
What happened in week one? 

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Like he just gets bitch slapped,
right? 

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I mean, it's just like he looked
terrible. 

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He looked great in the pre 
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Sam Howell, you know, actually 
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yards. 
I guess. 

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You know, he just got sacked all
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So quarterbacks were the hardest
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in the pre season. 
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things that if you go back where
and that's why I think you do 

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have to watch the film too on 
these players. 

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You can't just look at the data.
Whenever you look at Caleb 

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Williams, he did three or four 
things that you just don't see 

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other quarterbacks do, and I 
think that's very encouraging. 

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I love when you said everybody 
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absolutely was, but Pat's face 
was just like I wasn't. 

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I wasn't. 
Not only was I not, I had to 

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hear about it for two years how 
I should be. 

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Yeah, I overreacted to that one 
hand up. 

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I did too, and in my defense bat
I feel like most of the time I 

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was like we don't know yet was 
more my. 

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Yeah, I was like, ready. 
We do I. 

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Definitely hedged on Kenny. 
In all my writing. 

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I was like, maybe, you know, but
if you squirt. 

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My thing with Kenny is I hit the
my Pryor on him was it's like 

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this guy probably sucks like 
he's he's a third round pick. 

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It went in the first round. 
And so I was like, show me 

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something, show me something one
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time. 
Kenny, he never did. 

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So all right, rookies, the 
rookie stuff. 

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This is when it starts to be 
like a little less fun, right? 

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We get to we get to dream all 
May and June. 

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We're dreaming about week 17. 
But then you get hit in the face

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with like, hey, Tess Walker's 
like the water receiver 8 Does 

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that bother you? 
It's like Luke, he's like, oh, 

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John Dodson's just going to play
on Dodson. 

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Is the slot, is that a problem? 
It probably is. 

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Jermaine Burton's like, you 
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something right now. 
Like lots of these guys are 

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further down the depth chart 
than we would like. 

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Not all of them. 
I was pretty encouraged by AD 

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Mitchell, you know, getting 
some, some run out of the slot. 

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I was like, Peyton doesn't know 
Troy Franklin's on his roster. 

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Yeah, he, this other dude Veely,
who's 26 and he turns 27 in 

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December. 
That's not a bit. 

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This is not Davis. 
I'm not adding years. 

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He really turns 27 in seven. 
I mean, I have an old slow big 

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receiver. 
Let's get him in. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
So. 

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I saw Lil Jordan Humphrey on at 
one point and I was like, that 

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doesn't look like Mims, but he's
#17 it's like, I think Mims 

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didn't. 
Mims used to be 17 and now he's 

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not. 
Now he's, oh, he's 19. 

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I don't know. 
I got confused by the number. 

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Mims I played one snap and then 
left and. 

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Then it came back. 
If you're going to play 1 snap, 

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please don't come back. 
I can talk myself into you being

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rested if you play 1 snap and 
leave. 

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I just had this moment where I 
was like, oh, Mims is on. 

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And then I was like, no, that's 
a little Jordan Humphrey as far.

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As your point of these. 
Old like big slow guys like oh 

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great, it's. 
Getting ready to have that 

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feeling again during the season.
But like, obviously, you know, 

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the big one last year, Devon A 
Chan was like 4th or whatever on

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the depth chart. 
I think in active week one 

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didn't turn out to be a problem.
So we don't want to overreact, 

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but at the same time, like a lot
of these dart throw rookies are 

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going to fail. 
And so it's like it's a tricky 

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thing where you're like, this is
real information. 

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It probably should like make us 
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certain cases, but then you also
don't want to just write off 

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everyone who's not in line for a
starting job right away. 

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Yeah, and I feel like I worry 
about it less with the running 

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backs, right? 
Like I, I kind of anticipate 

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this and we have seen more of 
the running backs, you know, 

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have to work their way up the 
depth chart. 

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But then suddenly, you know, you
guys talk about it all the time,

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An injury, you know, been chaos 
happens in the season and 

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suddenly Jalen writes on the 
field. 

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And all I care really is that he
looked fantastic when he was on 

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the field. 
And that's really all I care 

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about with Jalen Wright. 
I'm not even worried about the 

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depth chart at this point. 
It's like it's a Miami offense. 

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I don't care if he's 4th. 
I don't care if he's 3rd on the 

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depth chart. 
Like, if something opens up and 

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that guy ever gets on the field,
I'm going to wish he was in my 

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fantasy lineup. 
And really, even for less 

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talented running backs, because 
we know it just comes down to 

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volume. 
Like they've got another players

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doing a job and they get handed 
the ball and then you know 

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they're going to get points. 
It's just a matter of how many. 

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But at receiver, it is 
definitely more concerning 

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because we want to see them get 
first team reps. 

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We want to see them get work 
with the starters. 

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You know, if they're struggling 
early on, we've seen it more 

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often with the wide receivers 
that this can be really 

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problematic. 
So McCaffrey not getting any 

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work, scared to death moved him 
down. 

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Devantez Walker, you mentioned 
not getting out there with a 

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starter scared to death moved 
him down. 

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Not drafting Troy Franklin 
anymore, Not drafting Quentin 

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Johnston ever again. 
Probably in my life, I guess so,

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yeah. 
You took him out of the dynasty 

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rankings today. 
Oh my God, That's yeah, that's 

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where we're. 
At you can't even be in the 

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dynasty. 
Right. 

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Yeah, Top 250, Sorry. 
Yeah, so the receivers worry me 

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more, you know, so not, not to 
say that some of these guys 

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can't work their way back up the
depth chart. 

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We've got one data point and 
we'll obviously we'll follow it 

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for the next couple of them. 
We'll be we'll be following all 

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the training camp stuff or the 
OR the practice stuff. 

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But yeah, the receivers, it's 
really, really concerning in my 

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opinion. 
Franklin's the one I'm still in 

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on, you know, eighteenth round 
dart throw still, because my my 

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thinking is I know you have the 
day three draft capital, which 

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is a major concern, but it's 
like Tim Patrick, Josh Reynolds.

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The fact that Mims is not 
established himself is bullish 

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for Franklin, right? 
It's like there is a path still.

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And just in terms of if he's 
good there, he can get on the 

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field over the course of the 
season or just at the end of the

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season. 
And then the Bonex connection. 

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I just can't stop. 
That's worth something to me. 

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So I'm I'm still going to be 
drafting some Franklin, but he 

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obviously took a hit. 
You don't want to be, you don't 

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want to be drafting on the 15th 
or whatever. 

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Yeah, by the end of the year, 
like some somebody that's young 

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on the Broncos has to be playing
right? 

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Because they're not going to be 
good, please. 

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I mean, so they're going to have
to look at these, please. 

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Sean. 
I, I had that as I tweeted this 

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this morning as being pretty 
sort of veteran deference 

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people. 
I you know, Yankee had his write

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up and and he talked about P 
Ryan clearly having a role 

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because he was playing on on 
passing downs. 

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I had to like basically the 
opposite opinion when you when 

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you when you factor in the jerk 
Stadium also started and and 

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they started Mims to try to sort
of make a point, but then also 

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did the veteran deference thing 
at receiver. 

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And then the thing about Pyron 
is like, how did he actually 

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play? 
Well, he got a swing pass to him

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that hit him right here and he 
juggled it and hit it in the air

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like a like a three Stooges skit
for an interception. 

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It's like you're already on the 
roster bubble, but like you got 

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to catch the swing pass. 
That's what you do. 

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You're literally a receiving 
back. 

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Not a great moment for him. 
I'm really so the veteran 

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difference at wide receiver 
though, like that's I get it at 

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quarterback and running back for
sure, but Josh Reynolds is new 

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to the team and Tim Patrick 
hasn't. 

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I mean, maybe I could see it 
with Tim Patrick because he's 

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been on the roster, but he's not
like really put in reps with 

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Sean Payton yet. 
So, like Reynolds, getting 

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veteran deference over Mims is 
the veteran of the of the 

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program. 
Well, I mean, Reynolds has been 

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in the league a lot longer. 
He's played on. 

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Sure, but I mean like as far as 
like coaching he's. 

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His third team he signed a a, a,
you know, a veteran contract 

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this offseason. 
Mims is a second year. 

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Yeah, I know he's been in the 
league longer, but I'm saying 

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like, as far as like who the 
loyalty goes to, it should. 

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It would be Mims, not Reynolds. 
The free agent edition from the 

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Lions. 
I think the fact that he's a 29 

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year old receiver, they brought 
it in free agency matters. 

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Mims is what, a 22 year old 
right now? 

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Yeah, he's 22. 
I get. 

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I think it the fact that it 
matters. 

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Like if that matters then that's
so then. 

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The second element of it is he 
would came back in for the 

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Knicks snaps. 
And so I want to see if they've 

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already said Knicks is going to 
start next week. 

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And I think Knicks played well 
enough that he's probably the 

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overwhelming favorite to start. 
Week one was my take away. 

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He wasn't great. 
I saw some other people be like,

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I mean, that's being overstated.
His downfield passing wasn't 

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perfect, but he made a really 
nice throw on 1/3 down rolling 

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to his left to Cortland Sutton 
on the sideline on the 1st 

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drive. 
And then after they pushed it 

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downfield a little bit early, he
threw a bunch underneath. 

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He threw to the tight ends a 
lot. 

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He threw to the running backs. 
He threw a nice little wheel 

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route to Jalil McLaughlin on 
their last drive and it was 

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accuracy underneath, which is 
what Sean Payton wants. 

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And that's like what, why Bonex 
is the right fit and, and so 

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like, like he's dude, he's going
to make not make enough mistakes

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that like that's what Peyton 
wants you to do, right? 

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He scrambled a little bit, 
showed some mobility. 

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I think he's starting week one. 
I'm really interested to see how

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the rotation is next week when 
he starts the week two pre 

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season game, because I, I kind 
of with the Mims starting and 

448
00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:47,960
then coming back in thing, I 
kind of thought it was like, 

449
00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,880
well, let's get him some rest. 
He already knows this is our 

450
00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,400
week 1 starter at quarterback. 
And I want, I want Mims playing 

451
00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,960
with him a little because Sutton
actually stayed on with Nicks as

452
00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,320
well. 
So I mean, I just think Peyton's

453
00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:00,920
rotation was really weird and I 
don't want to read too much into

454
00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:01,720
like. 
Who I like that. 

455
00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:05,400
I like that take of playing with
Nicks that is interesting and 

456
00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:10,200
man, like Tim Patrick and wheat,
like obviously you know, they're

457
00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:13,920
in the rankings. 
Like I couldn't feel less 

458
00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,960
excited about Tim Patrick or 
Josh Reynolds. 

459
00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:20,720
Like that's just, you know, like
there's kind of the Zay Jones 

460
00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:24,760
path to basketball mania, you 
know, victory or or relevance 

461
00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:25,960
where you get that big spike 
week. 

462
00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,360
But like that I think his was in
week 16. 

463
00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:32,120
So like you, you're telling me 
these guys last a week 16. 

464
00:19:32,120 --> 00:19:34,240
I I really struggle to see it 
with either guy. 

465
00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:38,200
Yeah, I don't want to click. 
I don't even want to click on 

466
00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:43,200
Courtland Sutton. 
Just play the running backs, 

467
00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:46,000
yeah? 
What what did you guys think 

468
00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,680
about the running backs? 
Like because it is a weird 

469
00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:50,680
situation. 
I think you're really on to 

470
00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:52,200
something, Ben. 
Like that's the context. 

471
00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,360
Like you have to think through 
and I was mentioning it earlier,

472
00:19:54,360 --> 00:19:57,720
there's different reasons behind
like why coaches use certain 

473
00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:59,520
players a certain way in the 
preseason. 

474
00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:01,040
You know, I mentioned it with 
the Keenan thing. 

475
00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:02,800
Like for all we know, they're 
like, hey, let's just get him 

476
00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:04,800
his reps this week and then 
we're not going to bother with 

477
00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,320
it and he's fine and we'll let 
Rome play the rest of the 

478
00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:09,800
preseason. 
Who knows what the rest is still

479
00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:11,960
to come. 
But I do think it was very 

480
00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,440
interesting to your point like 
that, you know Mims is out there

481
00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:16,520
1 snap and then gone but plays 
with Nicks. 

482
00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:21,360
Yeah, when you ask about the 
running backs, I have to reverse

483
00:20:21,360 --> 00:20:23,120
my whole take because. 
They only. 

484
00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,480
Played with Stidham but I took 
that to mean that, you know, 

485
00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:30,600
clearly that's. 
Why he's the 2nd teamer? 

486
00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:34,200
Dude, that's basically the 
second team I'm driving the. 

487
00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,160
Javonte, so he has to be 
perfect. 

488
00:20:36,360 --> 00:20:40,240
No, I my big take away was so 
they brought in McLaughlin next.

489
00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,120
So P Ron played it with the 
first team as well. 

490
00:20:42,120 --> 00:20:44,800
Then they brought in McLaughlin 
to play most of the Knicks stuff

491
00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:46,040
and then they brought an 
estimate. 

492
00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,960
I liked that Estimate was 
playing on passing downs. 

493
00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,800
He was he was playing on on like
blitz pickups and he actually 

494
00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:55,040
looked half decent to me. 
He caught all three targets from

495
00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:57,680
at least one from next, maybe 
two from next. 

496
00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,480
And then he caught he was stayed
on with Zach Wilson and he 

497
00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,320
caught one from from Zach Wilson
and he looked like comfortable 

498
00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,360
catching the ball for a guy who 
didn't catch a lot of balls in 

499
00:21:04,360 --> 00:21:06,800
in in in college. 
It's nice to see that. 

500
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,160
And so that's the big thing with
the P9 thing is like Estimate. 

501
00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,480
I think Peyton cares about size.
I've talked about this take all 

502
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,560
offseason, but he's actually 
mentioned it size. 

503
00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,680
So I'm sure he does. 
Right. 

504
00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:19,720
He won't stop talking about it, 
you said. 

505
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:21,280
Yeah, he won't stop talking 
about size, right? 

506
00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:25,040
And wide receiver and running 
back, but he just talks about it

507
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:26,160
constantly. 
Size size. 

508
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:27,760
Size. 
He always has this mix though, 

509
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,720
like he always has a small stat 
back that we're trying to figure

510
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:32,080
out. 
You know what was like Trenton 

511
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:33,640
Cannon? 
Joker, I think he calls that. 

512
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,600
Yeah, yeah, the Joker, he's 
always going to look. 

513
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,000
That's. 
What's weird because they gave 

514
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,640
Blake Watson like the third most
guaranteed money of any UDFA, 

515
00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,720
the most of any running back and
I thought Watson looked good at 

516
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,560
the very end as well. 
Although he played after like 

517
00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,680
Tyler Beatty as well. 
So he was like really late. 

518
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,800
But I think a lot of people are 
expecting Watson to make the 

519
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:55,640
team because they gave him so 
much guaranteed money on the 

520
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,640
UDFA market. 
And he kind of fits this profile

521
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,120
of a Peyton back. 
But if he does and P Ron 

522
00:22:01,120 --> 00:22:03,640
doesn't, then you have two of 
the smaller backs with 

523
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,760
McLaughlin and and Watson is 
pretty small. 

524
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,400
And so that it's only Javonte an
estimate, which is why that's 

525
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:10,840
those are the two that I've been
hammering. 

526
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:13,960
I'm still kind of confused about
it to the answer like back to 

527
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:15,160
your question and how to answer 
it. 

528
00:22:15,360 --> 00:22:18,320
But I was the big thing that I 
took away from this was I was 

529
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,720
optimistic about estimate in the
in the passing game. 

530
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:22,600
Nice. 
That is pretty cool. 

531
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:28,040
I mean, I, I suppose the, the 
most, the the simplest 

532
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,680
explanation would be that he's 
still figuring out who his 

533
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,720
backfield is going to be. 
And I like your point about like

534
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,920
they're basically being two 
first team opportunities to go 

535
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,840
to go show something. 
So you know, P Ryan getting 

536
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:45,480
those first reps, I was like a 
little concerned that that meant

537
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:49,000
he was making the team. 
Maybe it does, but it it's 

538
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,960
probably like less bullish than 
it might be with with AI. 

539
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,520
Know this is going to be my 
starting quarterback week one 

540
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,800
type of type of 1 setup. 
Yeah, the fun thing is we could 

541
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,600
just make up whatever we want to
believe, or at least that's what

542
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,400
I'm doing with the Broncos. 
Oh yeah, I know the first team. 

543
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,560
Is good. 
The BI with the first team is 

544
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,200
bad. 
That's bad actually for BI. 

545
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,960
All right, let's let's look at 
some risers and fallers here. 

546
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,560
Debo Samuel. 
I don't know if you guys are 

547
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:23,120
like, so we took Debo Samuel at 
the three O 1 and a main event 

548
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,720
over the weekend or just before 
the weekend. 

549
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:31,400
And you know, then like hours 
later, the IU is going to re 

550
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:32,800
enter a negotiation. 
Stuff broke. 

551
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:37,560
But what's interesting is that 
in drafts today, still seeing 

552
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:41,880
Debo go kind of in the early 
second round on underdog. 

553
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,360
So it doesn't seem like people 
are backing off of the Debo 

554
00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:49,200
aggressiveness yet. 
I don't know, like what? 

555
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:50,760
How are you guys playing Debo 
right now? 

556
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,680
Well, it's tough because we 
don't know what can when do you 

557
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,080
guys tell me what's going on 
with you? 

558
00:23:55,360 --> 00:23:57,680
You think because they had 
talked negotiations all 

559
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,760
offseason, presumably have 
talked through every type of 

560
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,360
possible deal, they could talk 
through long term, short term, 

561
00:24:03,360 --> 00:24:05,680
more guaranteed money, 
rearranging the deal just for 

562
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:09,160
this year, whatever And got to 
the point they did with all the 

563
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,680
trade stuff because their 
incentives didn't align right? 

564
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,480
They don't want to have to pay 
IUCA long term contract when 

565
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,640
they have to extend party next 
year and they have already paid 

566
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,680
Debo and all this other stuff. 
Why all of a sudden are they 

567
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,480
finding something to talk about 
that's new? 

568
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,080
That's what I don't understand. 
I think they did the Lamar 

569
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,080
Jackson thing where they, you 
know, it's it's one thing to 

570
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,480
tell yourself is Iuke like 
whatever, man, I'll go play 

571
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,600
anywhere. 
There's 31 other teams and I'll 

572
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,600
go play there if they if these 
guys aren't going to pay me And 

573
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:39,160
then you like have to stare down
going to, you know, join an 

574
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,960
Arthur Smith offense and you're 
kind of like, OK, let's, let's 

575
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,480
talk a little more and see if 
there's a deal we can reach 

576
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,200
here. 
So you think they won? 

577
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:48,760
They won the game of check in 
without you. 

578
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,000
I think they may have, I mean, 
we'll see. 

579
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,440
I don't know how far apart they 
are and and everything, but I 

580
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:57,640
think this tactic worked and it 
you know, it at least created a 

581
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:01,720
second conversation. 
What do you think? 

582
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,960
So I think the thing with Debo 
is interesting because like you 

583
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,320
could end up ranking him like as
a mid range, you know, round two

584
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,440
pick anyway. 
Like I mean, he's in a range 

585
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,000
where you could take him 
anywhere from the middle of 

586
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,320
round two to the middle of round
three. 

587
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,720
So I never thought there was a 
ton of risk with like taking him

588
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,920
at the 1-2 turn. 
But it is interesting that 

589
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,920
people are not backing off. 
I do feel like the most likely 

590
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,160
outcome now is that he is a 49er
and people are continuing to 

591
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:28,720
take him there. 
So, like, I could feel like 

592
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,560
middle of second round, fine. 
You know, there's still maybe 

593
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,800
there's a chance like some other
deal happens and he does get 

594
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,760
traded, you know, if things 
breakdown. 

595
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:37,600
But I mean, the 49ers have all 
the leverage. 

596
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,640
So I just don't understand like 
how IU gets out of town unless 

597
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,280
he ends up saying yeah and 
changes his mind that he's going

598
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,120
to play for one of these teams 
that presumably like right now 

599
00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:48,440
he doesn't really want to play 
for. 

600
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:52,920
So the interesting part like is 
Iuke, where is he going now, 

601
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,320
Pat? 
Cuz like I didn't draft 

602
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,480
yesterday but the day before 
like he was still going in the. 

603
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,920
3rd, he's the biggest faller. 
Yeah, so are you guys. 

604
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,240
I feel like it's time to scoop 
up Iuke here. 

605
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:03,880
I have been. 
Yeah. 

606
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,560
It's confusing that part of it's
confusing to me as well. 

607
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,400
Like what? 
What has changed for Iuke? 

608
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,080
Like why if you, if you don't 
want to take him higher than 

609
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,520
this, then why were you taking 
him in the second round all 

610
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:18,920
offseason? 
That's the part that I don't 

611
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,440
because. 
Like, well, I think so. 

612
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,520
The thing that is I think 
through. 

613
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,000
Steelers offense, I think. 
Steelers offense, yeah, he's 

614
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,520
he's got to fall. 
He probably goes to kind of 

615
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,520
where Pickens was maybe a little
bit higher, but like in that 

616
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:31,560
range. 
If the trade happens. 

617
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,400
If the trade happens, maybe and 
maybe he does fall more to the 

618
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,440
4th. 
Pickens would obviously fall 

619
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:41,160
considerably. 
But yeah, you're getting, but I 

620
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:46,840
think that at this price more 
upside is available by picking 

621
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:48,840
him then then you, you know, 
taking on downside. 

622
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,880
I think there's there's an 
opportunity. 

623
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,600
Don't you guys think he's most 
likely a niner? 

624
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,520
I mean, so if that's the case, 
then this is a value. 

625
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:57,320
Right. 
I think it's a value and. 

626
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,080
But there's probably at least a 
little something to be said 

627
00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:06,440
where if he doesn't get back in 
camp soon that, you know, we 

628
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,560
talked about this a little on 
ship chasing, I think last week,

629
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,320
Pat, where it's like this time 
last year, we were hearing just 

630
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,160
constant positive buzz about IUC
and it foretold a great season. 

631
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:15,600
And, you know, no one could 
guard him and camp. 

632
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,640
He was tearing it up. 
And the years prior he was in 

633
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,200
the doghouse. 
And those were not good years 

634
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:21,440
for IUC. 
Like I'd, I'd love him to 

635
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,240
actually be practicing and like 
hearing good reports and showing

636
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,640
up week one and being just as 
good as he was last year and 

637
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,880
having as big of a role as he 
had last year is maybe a little 

638
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,560
bit of a risk. 
You think the doghouse stuff 

639
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,160
sort of poisoned the well here? 
And he was like, you put me in 

640
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:36,120
the dog. 
Who was he behind? 

641
00:27:36,120 --> 00:27:37,720
He had him running behind. 
Somewhat absurd. 

642
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,200
Oh, God, yeah. 
Just absolutely. 

643
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,240
It was Trent Sherfield or I 
think it might have been worse 

644
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,800
than that. 
And it was just like, seriously,

645
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,280
like now it's not. 
You got to pay for that. 

646
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,240
You got to pay all that for 
putting me in the doghouse. 

647
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:51,920
Was it? 
When was that like was? 

648
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,320
That 22 No, it wasn't Pettis. 
Pettis was one of the worst dogs

649
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:56,760
this. 
Was one before, yeah. 

650
00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,000
Yeah, he ice Pettis there it. 
Might have been Trent Sherfield.

651
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,360
It was 2021. 
They, let's see, they had Richie

652
00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:07,520
James, Muhammad Sunu, Trent 
Sherfield, Mighty Craft. 

653
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,560
It might have been River Craft. 
He was on the team that year. 

654
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,240
Jalen Hurd was on that team. 
There's a name. 

655
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,880
Yeah. 
Yeah, running back. 

656
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,560
Why was he a hybrid? 
Yeah, Let me go back to the 

657
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,120
risers here, Cooper. 
Oh, here's another one. 

658
00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:27,000
We got Cooper Cup rising up 
three spots, 11% and then we got

659
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,480
Kuka falling, he's down one 
spot. 

660
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,640
But I mean, you know, it's a 
decent change when you're now it

661
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,800
probably doesn't change much 
with puka because he's just like

662
00:28:36,120 --> 00:28:39,320
you took Garrett Wilson at 10 
now or at 11. 

663
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,280
Now you take him at 10, you take
Puka at 11. 

664
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,880
I'm not seeing him fall like 
well actually sometimes I'm 

665
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,920
seeing him fall past the the 1-2
turn and you can get him at like

666
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:52,280
the 2O22O3 which I I think. 
It was Chess Liam that posted a 

667
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:58,160
screenshot of Bijan and Puka. 
That's beautiful, this. 

668
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,160
Is one where it feels like they 
are as as cup gets more pricey 

669
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:02,920
and Nakua can't really fall that
far. 

670
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,400
It feels like they are probably 
collectively overpriced. 

671
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:09,600
And yet I don't think it's wrong
because I we care about outlier 

672
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,160
upside. 
We care about ceiling. 

673
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,760
And we know that in this offense
and and for both of these 

674
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,040
players independently, they've 
already shown it that if they're

675
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,200
the focal point of the passing 
game for any stretch of time, 

676
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,360
they're going to be like a top 
three wide receiver, right? 

677
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,840
Like, I mean, top five, they're 
going to be very, very 

678
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,880
important. 
The cup stuff is like, OK, well,

679
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,480
there's some risk that Niku is 
going to be able to back up last

680
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,440
year cups actually the healthier
one right now. 

681
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,200
I mean, probably kind of feels 
like a value still. 

682
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,320
Like I'm struggling with like 
how high should I be rising him 

683
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,040
in my ranks? 
Because I mean, I could see a 

684
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,640
case for having him like middle 
of the second round, right? 

685
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,600
Like if if you actually think 
that the offense is going to 

686
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,960
flow through him again like some
of these B reports are saying. 

687
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,240
Yeah, I got a. 
I've been kind of fading cup, 

688
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,480
like as he's been rising. 
I mean, he's age 31. 

689
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,080
He's struggled more and more 
against man coverage the last 

690
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:57,360
two years. 
Now he's been injured. 

691
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,080
So like that's obviously part of
it. 

692
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:00,920
You're going out and trying to 
beat press man coverage and 

693
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:02,200
you're hurt. 
Like that's going to be an 

694
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,160
impact. 
We've also had Stafford, 

695
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,080
Stafford battling like health 
issues, like even though he's 

696
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,680
been playing a lot of the game. 
So like, those things are 

697
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,000
obviously baked in. 
But yeah, like as Cooper Cup 

698
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,280
like has made it like towards 
the 2-3 turn, like I've just 

699
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,840
found myself not really clicking
on and clicking on. 

700
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,360
And maybe I'll change my mind at
some point and be like, well, if

701
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,360
I want my exposure, like I'm 
going to have to do it. 

702
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,160
I do agree. 
And like when you know, like the

703
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,840
person Cooper Cup is and like 
how he got to where he is, you 

704
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,200
know, he showed up weighing 
like, you know, 45 lbs, you 

705
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,160
know, to college and he turns. 
Into the. 

706
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,320
Starting wide receiver, like I 
don't want to bet against a 

707
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,480
person like that. 
Like I know he's going to do his

708
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,280
part. 
He's going to do everything he 

709
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,720
needs to do to be ready to go. 
He's going to take care of his 

710
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,360
body. 
He's going to be in lock step 

711
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,800
with Stafford. 
So like if he if he has another 

712
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,120
season in him, like he's going 
to get it out of himself. 

713
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,520
So like, I, I like that 
mentality. 

714
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,480
So just making me rethink. 
I mean, maybe maybe I need to 

715
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,040
reconsider my stance because 
I've really just been like, no, 

716
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,640
because I've just been assuming 
the puka Nakua stuff is pushing 

717
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,240
him up. 
And once we hear Puka's back, 

718
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,560
like cup falls back down the 
board and then I start taking it

719
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,480
again. 
It reminds me, it does remind me

720
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,440
of the Devo stuff where, you 
know, people in the chat were 

721
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,840
saying like, we just needed a 
reason to get Devo, you know, up

722
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,160
there. 
Like Drake London vaulted up 

723
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,120
like massively. 
You know, he was going on like 

724
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,000
the third, fourth round of the 
big board. 

725
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:24,160
And then Cousins signed and he 
went in the early 3rd, late 

726
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,560
second of the end of the big 
board and kind of just made it 

727
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:30,320
kept making his way up. 
But it just to me, his rise kind

728
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:35,640
of shows how flat that tier is. 
So Debo, like, yeah, maybe he 

729
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,000
just kind of stays up near the 
top and in the same way, like 

730
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:42,080
Cup can kind of make his way up 
a lot of places. 

731
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:47,440
That flat tier man, like Malik, 
like is the other name that like

732
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,880
if I, I stare at each name and 
I'm like, now the, the ankle 

733
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:52,920
injury and like the, the news we
heard this morning is a little 

734
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,240
different than what we heard 
yesterday. 

735
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,160
So obviously, like we got to 
wait and like, see what's up 

736
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,240
with that. 
But like every name I would look

737
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,000
at, I would be like, OK, I could
take Malik neighbors over him. 

738
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,800
I would get to the next name. 
I could take Malik neighbors 

739
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:05,400
over him. 
And so I mean, I moved him up 

740
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,200
multiple spots, you know, in my 
ranks at least ahead of the 

741
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,040
older guys, right, where I know 
like 22% of the time, like, you 

742
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,880
know, these age 31 plus wide 
receivers, like when they fall 

743
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:16,720
off, we get no warning, nothing 
like it. 

744
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,880
Just they were elite. 
And then this all of a sudden, 

745
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:20,720
boom, they're a wide receiver 
for the next season. 

746
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,760
So one in five times. 
So I'm like, like, I'll just 

747
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,800
move Malik neighbors ahead of 
those names at least. 

748
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,400
So I'm wondering what y'all's 
thoughts are on that. 

749
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,640
I think obviously the injury is 
going to slow things down for 

750
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,800
him, but I know I saw some 
people be like, Oh my God, once 

751
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,440
he gets the 2-3 turn, like I'm 
out. 

752
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,760
I just kept taking it. 
I'm fully in on Neighbor. 

753
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:40,960
I've taken him a ton. 
I'm at 19%. 

754
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,600
He's one of my highest drafted 
players, fifth highest drafted 

755
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,920
overall. 
Again, it gets back to this 

756
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,120
thing of like you were just 
talking about with the the flat 

757
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,800
tier of like who you actually 
want to prioritize in some of 

758
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,120
our main so far that Pat was 
alluding to like we took Debo at

759
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,480
the three O1. 
Like when we were discussing 

760
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:57,800
that, I was throwing out some 
names. 

761
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,920
If you look at ADP, like 
neighbors was clearly behind 

762
00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:01,960
them, but I was very clearly 
including neighbors. 

763
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,360
I if you guys were like let's go
neighbors, like, yeah, let's go 

764
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,520
neighbors like, but like we're 
looking at Debo and Cop and 

765
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:11,040
neighbors and I think Waddle was
there like you have a strong 

766
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,880
group there and it is like 
that's a guy that I have not 

767
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:18,560
moved cup ahead of neighbors and
frankly think neighbors should 

768
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,320
probably be going ahead of 
Harrison. 

769
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,480
When when I when we talked to 
this a little Papa, when I went 

770
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,880
through the projections like 
just felt like the upside case 

771
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,800
was so, so bold. 
You you're on that too as well, 

772
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:29,120
Dwayne, right? 
You like? 

773
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,600
To on my projections, I mean, I 
still so like I'm baking ADP 

774
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,760
just like, you know, you guys do
into the way you're handling 

775
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,240
your ranks. 
So I mean, I'm assuming people 

776
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,320
are drafting a lot of teams. 
So to get your exposure, you're 

777
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,800
going to want to draft Marvin 
Harrison junior. 

778
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,760
But I do have neighbors 
projected slightly ahead of 

779
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,160
where I had Marvin Harrison 
junior. 

780
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,000
And that's despite having, you 
know, a quarterback, you know, 

781
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,600
and Daniel Jones, it's only 
averaged 218 passing yards per 

782
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:52,760
game. 
And the games where he's played 

783
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,600
at least 90%, you know, of the 
snaps. 

784
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,680
So clearly Kyler's the better 
quarterback. 

785
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,400
But once you subtract, you know 
Trey McBride, who I think is 

786
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,080
also really good, like they get 
close, they get super close and 

787
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,440
and even just like about. 
Michael Wilson, like I, I like 

788
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,120
Greg Dorch. 
I feel like there's more. 

789
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,440
Like when I went through the the
Giants passing e-mail, I was 

790
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,920
like this, this only works if 
it's all through neighbors and, 

791
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,880
and with the Cardinals, I was 
like, it has to be through 

792
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,239
Harrison too, but not as much. 
You know, I don't know. 

793
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:20,679
It's just something. 
Yeah, I can. 

794
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:25,400
I can definitely see that case. 
And you know, I think it's 

795
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,199
probably like accurate to have 
them very close or have 

796
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:30,560
neighbors slightly ahead. 
I do think the floor outcomes 

797
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,840
are so much better for Harrison 
and also just like as a 

798
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,360
prospect, like one of the 
highest floor prospects we've 

799
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,840
ever seen. 
But like, you know, you get you 

800
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,280
get good coaching. 
I think neighbors has that too. 

801
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,719
But you got good coaching, you 
got better quarterback play. 

802
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,440
The offense should put up 
points. 

803
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,639
And then the ceiling outcomes I 
think are pretty high too, where

804
00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:54,760
Harrison like if Harrison ends 
up being the the type of player 

805
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,440
we're considering it like 1O11O2
next year. 

806
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,160
Michael Wilson and Greg Dortch 
weren't a problem. 

807
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,200
You know, that's like. 
I don't think they will be. 

808
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,080
I think it's mostly McBride 
like. 

809
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,440
I think the range of outcomes 
like so like. 

810
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,720
But he's a tight end, you know, 
like, if he's that good, like, 

811
00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:13,960
even McBride isn't, Yeah. 
I, I think like the range of 

812
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,440
outcomes is like for both of 
them, but more specifically, 

813
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,120
like I, I agree with you on 
Harrison. 

814
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,640
I do think that like the upside 
is like we've at least seen 

815
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,120
Kyler, you know, have a year 
where you know, he could be 

816
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,000
A-4000 plus yard passer. 
We've never seen that from 

817
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,520
Daniel Jones, right? 
I mean, Kyler, if everything 

818
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,320
clicked right now, it hasn't 
been every year, it's only been 

819
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:33,920
one year. 
But like he could throw for 40, 

820
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,520
three 4400 yards. 
Like it's a possibility. 

821
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,040
At least, you know, Daniel Jones
is never doing that. 

822
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,920
So I do feel like the ceiling 
for Marvin Harrison junior is 

823
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,960
you could get a Jamar Chase 
rookie type season, right? 

824
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,600
Yeah, I feel like the middle 
ground as you get it for both 

825
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,920
guys. 
I think you get a Jalen Waddle 

826
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,680
season. 
Jalen Waddle. 

827
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,840
Tua was not good at that point. 
He didn't have Tyreek Hill. 

828
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,560
Everybody wasn't for sure what 
he was. 

829
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,440
He was like a 220 yards per game
guy. 

830
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,120
But everything like what Ben was
talking about went through 

831
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,840
Waddle all this low A dot stuff.
That's actually a really 

832
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,680
interesting comp 'cause I think 
they would give him that design 

833
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,320
stuff at the very least. 
Neighbors, right? 

834
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:10,600
Yeah. 
I. 

835
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:12,880
Think that's what I. 
Meant when I brought up like. 

836
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,120
The rookie season, yeah. 
I completely agree with you guys

837
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,760
that like Wilson and Dorch don't
matter, but essentially when you

838
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,560
have McBride and then have those
guys, I felt like they're like, 

839
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,560
I feel like you were talking 
about the design stuff in the 

840
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,160
Waddle scenario. 
The Waddle scenario was is so 

841
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,080
comparable because it was like 
there was no one else, like 

842
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,600
everything went through Waddle 
and that's what it feels like 

843
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,280
with neighbors and. 
Neighbors is a great pick. 

844
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,440
Like he's just a great pick. 
He's a really good. 

845
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,800
Pick, but I love I do love that 
discount like so don't. 

846
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,240
But I like that point you made 
on Kyler because I think Kyler's

847
00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:43,040
are really fun play as well. 
And this is the first time, I 

848
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,760
mean, if you are not super high 
on Cliff Kingsbury, which I'm 

849
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,400
not, this is the first time I 
thought petsing did a really 

850
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,360
nice job last year with what 
they had offensively. 

851
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:52,680
This is the first time he's 
going to play in like a 

852
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,440
functional offense. 
Is a guy who was an absolute 

853
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,560
elite player in in high school, 
was an elite player in college, 

854
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,680
broke passing efficiency records
and people are just like oh 

855
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,480
Kyler He's that short dude that 
plays cog like no, that's not 

856
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:10,520
you don't understand who he 
actually is probably multi sport

857
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,240
athlete got drafted in the. 
First round Call of Duty's a 

858
00:37:13,240 --> 00:37:18,040
sport now, Ben. 
Nationally ranked in Call of 

859
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:19,360
Duty. 
Yeah. 

860
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,760
Speaking of athletic 
quarterbacks, Justin Fields, is 

861
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:26,440
this the high watermark for him 
at this point? 

862
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,280
Because it seems like maybe he 
didn't seize the opportunity. 

863
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:30,320
What? 
What are you guys thinking? 

864
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:32,440
It looked like Justin Fields to 
me. 

865
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,400
I mean, I, I love Justin Fields 
is like a fantasy play, 

866
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,520
obviously, but it's like we're, 
once you get to real life stuff,

867
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,440
it's like it just doesn't ever 
seem to work out for him. 

868
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,080
Like always taking the sacks, 
like we want quarterbacks that 

869
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,640
are willing to buy time and hold
the ball a beat longer, right? 

870
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,080
You know, and, and find, you 
know, the, the player on the 

871
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,080
scramble drill or whether it's 
from the pocket. 

872
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,560
And so it's like you kind of 
hoped that like his average time

873
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,680
to throw would eventually turn 
into that, that he would just 

874
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,600
get a better feel for things. 
This sums up his whole career. 

875
00:37:59,720 --> 00:38:01,760
He looked great. 
And yeah, just yeah. 

876
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,960
And fumbling snaps. 
It's like, come on, like we can 

877
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:05,800
at least get the snap right, You
know? 

878
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:10,040
So look, I think Russ is cooked.
So if I'm a defensive 

879
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:11,320
coordinator, I will tell you 
this. 

880
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,360
I would be more worried about 
playing Justin Fields than I 

881
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:15,920
would be Russell Wilson. 
Yes. 

882
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,120
So I think the Steelers know 
that. 

883
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,680
So I still feel like at some 
point Justin Fields is on on the

884
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,280
on the field, you know, this 
year as a starter. 

885
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,520
But I just knowing Mike Tomlin 
and his ability to patch things 

886
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,480
together and always keep seasons
close. 

887
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:30,880
He's a defensive minded 
mentality. 

888
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,520
Like Mike Tomlin doesn't mind 
just close, you know, coaching 

889
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,320
in a close game and hoping the 
ball bounces his way right. 

890
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:37,600
He's like, hey, you know, it's 
not the ball. 

891
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,920
The ball is not a circle. 
It could just bounce our way 

892
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,320
like he's. 
Just he hired Arthur Smith, he 

893
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:43,560
hired. 
Exactly so. 

894
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,760
He's watched football in the 
last couple years I would 

895
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,000
assume. 
I do feel like Russ is starting 

896
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,600
early, but I feel like Fields 
eventually has to play, yeah, 

897
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,440
just because I think Russ, Russ 
can't play in this league the 

898
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,840
way that defenses play now. 
Like it took everything good he 

899
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,120
does away. 
Yeah, that's a great point. 

900
00:38:59,720 --> 00:39:02,520
The field stuff is so crazy 
because I think, you know that 

901
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,000
point about he looked great and 
terrible and like, I think we 

902
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,960
all kind of agreed, like when he
does have the throw, he's an 

903
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,360
accurate passer. 
He's obviously athletic. 

904
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,880
He has like all these traits 
that should make him a really 

905
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:16,800
good quarterback. 
And then it's like, is it a 

906
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,160
fatal flaw how long he holds the
ball or how long he needs to 

907
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:21,360
process or however you have to 
say. 

908
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,840
And that's the question is like,
is it a fatal flaw? 

909
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,280
And, and typically it is, it 
keeps him from being able to do 

910
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,240
everything else that he does 
well. 

911
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,800
And yet there are these like, 
moments in time where you're 

912
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,760
like, well, when it's not a 
fatal flaw, everything else 

913
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,440
shows up. 
And that's exciting, like. 

914
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,800
I think like a lot of the best 
passers do what he's doing. 

915
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,760
Aaron Rodgers holds the ball, 
Yeah, Josh Allen, he holds the 

916
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,400
ball. 
Patrick Mahomes holds the ball. 

917
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,800
But they just have this innate 
ability to stay away from the 

918
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,880
sacks and the strip fumbles and 
all those issues that that 

919
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,040
Fields runs into. 
And then like, it's the 

920
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,720
consistency for Fields. 
He can show you he can make 

921
00:39:57,720 --> 00:40:00,720
every throw, but then he has the
easy one and he just doesn't hit

922
00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:01,800
it. 
And then they're off the field 

923
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,840
because they can't convert 1/3 
down and. 

924
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,920
I don't know at this point, like
I don't have much hope for him 

925
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:08,960
as an NFL quarterback. 
I just know that if he gets on 

926
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,400
the field as a fantasy player, 
like it's 20 fantasy points per 

927
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,040
game, so I'm fine. 
The thing I find frustrating 

928
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:19,160
about it is that like he he has 
some serious flaws and his flaws

929
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,240
are like going to lead to back 
breaking plays that lose you 

930
00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:27,440
games, which is awful and 
coaches hate that so much. 

931
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,040
But he also will he'll win you 
games too. 

932
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,240
He's got that kind of upside 
with his legs and the ability to

933
00:40:33,240 --> 00:40:37,160
attack deep. 
And so it's like, yeah, like 

934
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,200
you're kind of stuck in 
purgatory if Justin Fields is 

935
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,360
your quarterback, but you're 
stuck in purgatory with a bunch 

936
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,000
of other guys, too. 
Like their car, right? 

937
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,320
Like you're, you're winning the 
Super Bowl with their car. 

938
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:47,960
Like, no, you're not. 
And you know that. 

939
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:52,200
But like, he's not going to burn
you in such like a horrible way.

940
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,360
You know, it reminds me a little
bit of like Jameis Winston or 

941
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,680
something. 
I'm like Jameis Winston was fun 

942
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,320
and should have gotten a longer 
run, but you throw interceptions

943
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:02,520
like that, it's going to get to 
bench. 

944
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:06,240
He throws the ball into some 
places where like all the 

945
00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:10,000
defenders are, yeah. 
Yeah, no, exactly like it, it 

946
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,320
loses he'll lose you games, but 
there's like the the guys who. 

947
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,560
Win the hype games. 
And lose you games I like so 

948
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,760
much more than coaches. 
But coaches don't like them. 

949
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,200
Coaches don't like them. 
If you knew you had the best 

950
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,080
line in football and could be 
sure that you could protect a 

951
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,960
quarterback longer than any 
other offensive line in the NFL,

952
00:41:29,720 --> 00:41:33,640
is would Fields then be a like 
how many quarterbacks would you 

953
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,040
take over Fields in that system?
Do you think? 

954
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,280
It's not even. 
Sure that I don't know that 

955
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,960
Fields would even be that good 
in that situation because like 

956
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,000
I'm not sure if he's that's what
I guess I don't know about 

957
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,880
Fields. 
Like he doesn't need more time 

958
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,920
or is he just would he just take
that time? 

959
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,640
And then still take that time. 
That's why I'm asking, yeah. 

960
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:54,560
Sounds like it's been like doing
this thing where we're going to 

961
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:55,960
build the wall. 
I mean, I don't know what's 

962
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,520
happening here, but like he the 
problem is like as the 

963
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,480
quarterbacks own their pressure 
rate too, It's not just how long

964
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,880
they hold it, it's the way that 
they handle the pocket, right? 

965
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,080
And you know, feels if you're 
drifting into pressure versus 

966
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:10,800
away from it. 
And I think that's the 

967
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,680
difference with the other guys 
we named, you know, they have 

968
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,400
that innate ability to 
understand that and feel that or

969
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,920
know that based on their pre 
snap reads where they think the 

970
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,280
pressure's coming from. 
And for whatever reason, like 

971
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,400
feels doesn't have that when he 
holds onto the ball, like the 

972
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,960
bad things happen. 
But I mean, offensive line 

973
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,360
matters. 
But we've also seen, you know, 

974
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,720
over the years, like good 
quarterbacks overcome bad 

975
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,960
offensive line play. 
I mean, it's it's it's never 

976
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,000
good. 
Like we don't want like pressure

977
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,160
right in your lap, right up the 
middle, especially like no 

978
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,800
quarterback can handle that. 
But overall, the really good 

979
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,560
ones, like they can play around 
a bad offensive line and still 

980
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,880
make things happen. 
And so that's a challenge for 

981
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,320
Fields. 
Even with a good line, I think 

982
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,600
he would still have problems. 
When you watch Fields and he's 

983
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,000
standing there and there's like 
a guy breaking loose, you know, 

984
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,520
in his, in his blind spot and, 
and you're just like, it's, he's

985
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,400
still three steps away, but 
you're like he's, it's, it's, 

986
00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:02,840
it's the love interest in Happy 
Gilmore. 

987
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,360
When the slug bug is driving 
down the fairway and she's like 

988
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,480
Happy Lookout and then the slug 
bug hits Happy Gilmore. 

989
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,200
Do you guys remember this? 
I do. 

990
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,320
It's like, it's like happy, 
let's look out. 

991
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,680
He got destroyed like 2 seconds 
later. 

992
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,880
Like there's nothing you can do,
but you're watching it and you 

993
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:19,800
just know that he's not getting 
the ball out. 

994
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,320
He's going to get, absolutely. 
Crushed. 

995
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:26,160
Yeah, yeah, but this stuff has 
me still in on in on fields even

996
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,080
as he rises. 
I'm, I'm mixing him into three 

997
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,320
quarterback fields because like 
he's not like the, the market 

998
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,080
turns so much against him where 
like it's like, oh, he's just 

999
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,960
Lance. 
Like, no, he is not just Lance. 

1000
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,920
Like that is that's absurd. 
And it creates upside. 

1001
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,880
But now the upside's getting 
sucked out a little bit because 

1002
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,320
he's, he's moving up in price. 
So I don't know, I guess. 

1003
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,400
He's all over the place. 
I know that he's moving up. 

1004
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,480
It's like I'll see him go like 
round 13 and then it'll be round

1005
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,000
16, the next draft. 
Yeah, though it's yeah. 

1006
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,160
That's why you should never pay 
round 13, right? 

1007
00:43:55,240 --> 00:43:59,080
Don't pay round thirteen. 
Yeah, I know you like Jalen 

1008
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,280
Tolbert, Ben. 
Any thoughts on his rise? 

1009
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:04,840
They sat him. 
They sat him with Cooks and all 

1010
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:06,360
those guys. 
Jalen Brooks made a really nice 

1011
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,560
play on a deep shot, but 
everyone else was was out and 

1012
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,600
they sat him. 
Dak keeps talking about how he 

1013
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,240
spent a ton of time with him in 
the offseason. 

1014
00:44:13,240 --> 00:44:15,120
They're going to play him. 
I don't think he's like the 

1015
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,360
perfect profile, but I also 
think this is an offense. 

1016
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,360
We talked about it in the 
offseason, like behind Lamb is 

1017
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,760
so bereft of actual target 
earning profiles. 

1018
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,200
Like maybe Ferguson takes that 
year three leap, but was mostly 

1019
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:31,240
routes based last year. 
Brandon Cook's really fell off 

1020
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,800
in the, you know, the target 
earning stuff last season. 

1021
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,920
So there's a lot of opportunity 
for somebody to step in and 

1022
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,520
actually have a strong secondary
role behind Lamb. 

1023
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,840
The fact that he did a lot of 
work with DAC over the 

1024
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,080
offseason, all those things. 
It's one of those things where 

1025
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,000
like a receiver, I'm typically 
not making situational bets, but

1026
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,240
he's really cheap and he is 
rising as he said, but he's he's

1027
00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:53,640
still very cheap for a guy who. 
Only people took him in the 12th

1028
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:55,320
today. 
That's the. 12th for me. 

1029
00:44:56,240 --> 00:44:57,320
Out. 
He's in the 12th. 

1030
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,640
I've just fully out. 
I want to see that. 

1031
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,840
I want to know why that? 
12th round and what? 

1032
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,040
I assume BBM. 
Yeah, my gosh. 

1033
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,040
Yeah. 
I mean, there's legit, there's 

1034
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:12,040
legit like obviously anything 
after like round 11 is just a 

1035
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,480
crapshoot at wide receiver. 
So like you could, you can make 

1036
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,560
the case that he can. 
I, I wouldn't take him in the 

1037
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,040
12th, but you can make the case 
that if he hits, he hits in a 

1038
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,600
way that that could pay off. 
I, I don't want to see why they 

1039
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,440
wound up taking. 
So that's, that's wild. 

1040
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:26,680
Liam, where are you at on him, 
Dwayne? 

1041
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,000
Yeah. 
I mean, I think he's got the 

1042
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:30,560
starting job. 
I mean, I live here in Dallas. 

1043
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,760
So I mean, we hear about it all 
the time. 

1044
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,200
I think he's probably got a shot
to be seven. 

1045
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,120
I think I've got him projected 
for like 70% route 

1046
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:39,680
participation, which is how I do
mine. 

1047
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,880
I do route participation and 
then targets per route run. 

1048
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,400
Those two things together is how
I get to my target shares. 

1049
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,840
So when I look at, you know, 
Tolbert, I'm like you, I'm not 

1050
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,280
crazy about his profile. 
Like it's not been a high target

1051
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,560
earner over the first two years,
but he did come from a small 

1052
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:55,440
school. 
So if you're going to give 

1053
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,600
somebody, you know, a little bit
of an excuse like that, that 

1054
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,960
sometimes can be one. 
And you pointed it out like 

1055
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,680
Brandon Cook's, like, you know, 
no pun intended, I think is 

1056
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,240
cooked like the last two years 
has been on a downward 

1057
00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:09,040
trajectory. 
You know, I did some research on

1058
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,680
the man based coverage stuff 
this offseason and that was a 

1059
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,640
pretty big, I don't want to say 
a big indicator. 

1060
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:17,240
Like for the things we use, you 
know, when we say, oh, there was

1061
00:46:17,240 --> 00:46:20,240
this high correlation or high 
R-squared value between, you 

1062
00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:23,040
know, future fantasy production 
or just production period. 

1063
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:24,880
A lot of these things are pretty
low. 

1064
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,880
But like, it came way up for the
guys that as they age. 

1065
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,240
I wrote an article about it over
Fantasy Life. 

1066
00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:31,720
If people want to check it out, 
it's free. 

1067
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,520
I like being, I like stuff like 
that where you can ask a 

1068
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,840
question, you know, like you're,
I have a specific question like 

1069
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,080
is this guy cooked? 
And maybe it it helps us answer 

1070
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,160
that question. 
Yeah, you said no pun intended, 

1071
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,320
but that, I mean, that was kind 
of intended, right? 

1072
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,160
No, I feel like you have to say 
no, pun intended. 

1073
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,400
So yes, it was intended. 
But you have to just be the 

1074
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,800
blame. 
So like I think it's to your 

1075
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,760
point, I don't, I'm not huge on 
wide receivers as situational 

1076
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,680
bets because we know it's such a
talent driven position. 

1077
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,920
But like once you get to the 
range where he's going, not in 

1078
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:04,920
the 12th round, but once you get
to the range where he's 

1079
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:06,680
typically going and what's he up
to now? 

1080
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,000
Let's see what's he showing. 
184. 

1081
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:10,720
Yeah. 
So where he's going right now? 

1082
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,080
It's fine. 
Like, yeah, I mean, if you get 

1083
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,920
like two weeks out of him, like 
he's probably like paying his 

1084
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:16,960
price. 
Yeah. 

1085
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:18,440
I think he can really easily do 
that. 

1086
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,960
He, you know, he comes up with, 
you know, two games where he 

1087
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,560
goes 3 for 80 and a touchdown. 
Like he's probably paying that 

1088
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:25,160
off and and. 
And we know they're going to 

1089
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,080
throw a ton. 
I mean, look at their running 

1090
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:27,760
back room. 
Look at. 

1091
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:29,880
Their Let's look. 
At their running back room, 

1092
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,880
because I'm, I'm taking a lot of
Rico Dowdle and he's a riser. 

1093
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,120
Me too. 
I've just been kind of taking 

1094
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,280
him over Zeke. 
Cause like, I mean, in some 

1095
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,040
cases I'll take Zeke, but it's 
like if I have Jonathan Brooks 

1096
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,240
or if I'm like really hurting at
running back of like, you know, 

1097
00:47:43,240 --> 00:47:45,600
maybe I don't even have a 
running back two and I've got 

1098
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,120
like a like a Breece Hall or 
something. 

1099
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,880
I decided to really push it then
like a Zeke becomes interesting,

1100
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:55,280
obviously for touches, but 
Dowdle in most of the builds 

1101
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:59,120
that I have, I'm like, I got 
James Conner. 

1102
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,520
I got yeah, I need upside. 
I need I have touched. 

1103
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:03,720
Like the touch is so cheap this 
year. 

1104
00:48:03,720 --> 00:48:07,160
I'm I'm entering that that 130 
range with touches already on 

1105
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,440
the roster. 
I mean, the upside is pretty 

1106
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:14,520
enticing to me. 
His talent profile is kind of 

1107
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,920
like like I'm like hoping he's 
Jerome Ford. 

1108
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:22,080
Basically if he's Chuba Hubbard.
I'm I feel like I'm winning 

1109
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,720
everything, but I don't know, 
thoughts on him. 

1110
00:48:25,720 --> 00:48:28,200
I mean, he did play in the 
preseason, but it wasn't wasn't 

1111
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,040
like that long. 
Just six snaps. 

1112
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,760
Yeah, got the start. 
Yeah. 

1113
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,360
So I mean, I, I'm, I'm with you.
Like Dowdle's been my preference

1114
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,360
and also because of ADP and like
there's just been this gap 

1115
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,920
between them. 
I think like if you had to 

1116
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,720
choose today, you know, Zeke 
probably is like the starter, 

1117
00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:47,800
even though the reports last 
week were that battles the face.

1118
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,240
You know, I don't know, like, 
those are kind of opinions, 

1119
00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:52,120
right? 
They're not necessarily like 

1120
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,640
camp reports of, oh, he's 
getting much more work than 

1121
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:55,800
Zeke. 
I feel like they're going to be 

1122
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:59,280
pretty evenly split. 
We know that the Cowboys trust 

1123
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:00,600
Zeke. 
And like one of the other things

1124
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,400
that I've studied a lot, like as
much as we love efficiency and 

1125
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,480
we know that it we still want it
in our running backs. 

1126
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,600
Like it's a great tiebreakers. 
That's how you get guys like 

1127
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:11,080
CMC, Bijan, Breece Hall, like 
these guys that can totally blow

1128
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,440
up fantasy. 
But coaches like, I don't know 

1129
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:14,960
that they care about it as much 
as we do. 

1130
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,280
They just want guys out there on
the field they feel like they 

1131
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,320
can depend on unless they've got
a superstar that they know they 

1132
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,280
can go to. 
And Zeke's probably going to 

1133
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,200
check those boxes. 
So as much as I love Dowdle and 

1134
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,440
I've been drafting him a ton, 
I'm really interested to see 

1135
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,040
like how high he goes, like how 
much higher does he go? 

1136
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,320
But I am with you. 
Like if if I were to look up 

1137
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,800
week two and be like, Oh my God,
one of these two guys is going 

1138
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,880
to win you your league. 
I think we all know it's Dowdle.

1139
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,720
Dowdle suddenly surprises us. 
I don't think that's going to be

1140
00:49:41,720 --> 00:49:43,120
Zeke. 
I think Zeke will be the guy 

1141
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,600
that to your point, Pat, you're 
like, OK, it's fine. 

1142
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:47,680
I'm getting 12 fantasy points 
per week. 

1143
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:49,600
Which I really mean. 
Until what? 

1144
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:51,160
Yeah. 
And I didn't take him, you know,

1145
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,320
until round 12 of a draft or 
round eleven of a draft, like. 

1146
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:55,680
Right. 
So I feel like that's going to 

1147
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:56,160
be there. 
Both. 

1148
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,880
Fantasy points per week. 
Probably not, but. 

1149
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,280
You'll get downs if he scores 
touchdowns like if Zeke right? 

1150
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,200
You'll get weeks of. 12 fantasy 
points is maybe the better. 

1151
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:08,440
Maybe not every week, but you'll
get weeks of 12 fantasy points 

1152
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:12,200
and if you structure a build 
where like ten of those are 

1153
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,160
really helpful, then you know, I
think it's what? 

1154
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,440
Do you think Dwayne? 
That sounds real out though to a

1155
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:21,240
ceiling for sure, and dump gave 
him all the work inside the 

1156
00:50:21,240 --> 00:50:23,320
file. 
He was APR scam last year like 

1157
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,600
they were they were feeding him.
And and hey, to your point, 

1158
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,680
though, like been like, I do 
think, and I've talked about 

1159
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:31,920
this, I've written about this, I
think the Dallas running backs 

1160
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:33,840
could be sneaky in the passing 
game this year. 

1161
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:37,920
Because if if Cooks can't earn 
targets right, if he can't go 

1162
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:41,080
out and do his part, if Jalen 
Tolbert really is just kind of 

1163
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:44,040
who he's already been. 
And then even if Ferguson takes 

1164
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:47,280
a little step forward with him 
and CD, like they're still going

1165
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:48,560
to have to get the ball to 
someone. 

1166
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,600
And we see this all the time. 
These swing pass backs, they're 

1167
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:53,800
not really guys you can 
integrate into like a first or a

1168
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:57,000
second read kind of passing 
game, but you know, everybody's 

1169
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:58,600
covered. 
That doesn't run as much as you 

1170
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:00,080
used to. 
Like a lot of those things turn 

1171
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,080
into check downs. 
And what do you think is the 

1172
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:05,360
probability being in Dallas that
they actually bring somebody in 

1173
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,120
after these cuts happen because 
I, I mean. 

1174
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,080
I think it's pretty high. 
I think it's kind of high, man. 

1175
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,400
I think Dowel's going to be the 
RB three-week 1 is what we're 

1176
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:13,360
going to find out. 
It's going to. 

1177
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,440
Play very well could be, yeah. 
That's why I'm interested to see

1178
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,440
how high Dowdle goes, because at
some point I would be out like I

1179
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,240
wrote it, I wrote. 
It so you're you're thinking who

1180
00:51:21,240 --> 00:51:25,240
comes in though P Ryan. 
Yeah, maybe P Ryan. 

1181
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,120
Yeah. 
It's not great, but I don't I 

1182
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:29,840
don't know who the answer to 
that question is. 

1183
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:31,520
It's a tough. 
To me, the the Royce Freeman 

1184
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,760
stuff, which people kind of 
freaked out about. 

1185
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:35,960
I'm not freaking out about Royce
Freeman. 

1186
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:37,480
I'm not either, but I actually 
like it. 

1187
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,680
I want Stephen Jones to think 
he's got the best RB3IN football

1188
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:42,080
for. 
Real. 

1189
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:43,320
OK, I see what you're saying. 
Yeah. 

1190
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,680
Like that's great for me if I'm 
drafting Rico. 

1191
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:46,520
That is a good. 
Point. 

1192
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,160
Don't sign anyone you dude. 
You guys already got Royce 

1193
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:50,560
Freeman. 
Like people are idiots for 

1194
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:55,280
letting you have him, didn't he?
What's the point? 

1195
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,440
To your point on efficiency, 
Dwayne, one thing I think 

1196
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:04,640
coaches do care about is 
consistency and success rate. 

1197
00:52:04,720 --> 00:52:07,920
I I like NFL next gen's RROE 
percentage for this. 

1198
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:12,000
Zeke was at a 42% success rate 
last year, which is good. 

1199
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:17,760
Like he he was like among. 
Yeah, like he can't run anymore,

1200
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,560
but he's he's got like the the 
34 year old Frank Gore thing 

1201
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:23,160
where like he's got no 
athleticism anymore, but still 

1202
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:26,080
has what he always had, which is
an ability to read holes and get

1203
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:27,720
that small. 
Through the he has great vision.

1204
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,600
Yeah, I mean, that's he's got 
running back skills and it's 

1205
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,120
like that's I, I don't want to 
draft Zeke, but I do have to 

1206
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:36,120
admit that like he's. 
RB close in that behind Khalil 

1207
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:37,880
Herbert. 
He's right in front of Zach Moss

1208
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,920
like he was. 
Funny, he's like ROI and all 

1209
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,080
these things are not sticky year
over year, but coaches do care 

1210
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,440
about. 
They care about, yeah, I mean, 

1211
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,080
that stuff, most of a lot of the
Roe stuff really comes down to 

1212
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:52,600
your freaking offensive line. 
Like, you know, I mean, and 

1213
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:54,880
like, how many defenders were in
the box? 

1214
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,800
Like, that's such a huge driver,
which is Zeke's pretty good. 

1215
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:59,880
Like with a lot of defenders in 
the box, he's not gonna break a 

1216
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:02,160
long run, but he's not gonna 
lose you yards. 

1217
00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:04,920
And like you said, then he still
knows how to just kind of get 

1218
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,080
skinny in the hole and still 
have power, like right at the 

1219
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,840
point of contact if you need 2 
yards, like he can get it. 

1220
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,520
And so, yeah, coaches like that.
Yeah, like Latavius Murray 

1221
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,720
looked fine doing that last year
and now isn't going to play 

1222
00:53:14,720 --> 00:53:17,000
football this year, right? 
Like, there's these aging backs 

1223
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,760
that are good at that exact 
thing, being a downhill runner, 

1224
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,400
and Zeke's obviously that Pat. 
Some other names. 

1225
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,120
I saw somebody mention Elijah 
Mitchell. 

1226
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:26,680
Like if the 49ers wanted to move
on from him now that they got 

1227
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:28,280
all this Jordan Mason stuff, 
who's on this place? 

1228
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:31,480
Kendra Miller? 
Everyone was going to get cut. 

1229
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,600
Give me Rico. 
I'll take Rico over Kendra all 

1230
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:37,200
day. 
This guy, here's the thing, 

1231
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,440
because Rico's established 
himself over the course of a 

1232
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,200
training camp, is splitting reps
with the ones and Kendra got 

1233
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:43,600
himself booted out of New 
Orleans. 

1234
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:47,760
I'm just like, I don't, you 
know, So much of it comes down 

1235
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,440
to the coaches trusting these 
guys, and Kendry is like an 

1236
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,960
ultimate untrustworthy dude. 
Apparently on the coach that 

1237
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,040
doesn't want with the coach that
doesn't want to trust. 

1238
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:55,720
Him. 
Third round pick. 

1239
00:53:55,720 --> 00:53:58,760
Third round pick. 
Has Dennis Allen ever given a a 

1240
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,400
positive compliment to one? 
To Taysom Hill. 

1241
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:05,880
He loves Taysom Hill as much. 
As anyone loves anyone that you 

1242
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,520
skipped past Rasheed Rice, I 
wanted to get your guys thoughts

1243
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:10,680
on that. 
He played 100% of the snaps with

1244
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:12,560
Mahomes. 
I'm probably stealing this 

1245
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:14,520
straight, straight from your 
article, Dwayne, but I, I saw 

1246
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:18,680
that he played 100% and then 
Xavier was in there a lot. 

1247
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,520
But I the I think the specific 
number was 75% from your 

1248
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:23,520
article. 
I didn't track the exact numbers

1249
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:26,600
on those two, but to me that was
like really bullish that they 

1250
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,120
have a lot of receivers and they
didn't mess around with like the

1251
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:32,400
me cola, this guy more stuff. 
Those guys played with Carson 

1252
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,720
Wentz after and they went with 
the guys that we've been 

1253
00:54:35,720 --> 00:54:38,120
drafting. 
Rice has been kind of just 

1254
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,800
trickling back up after he fell 
way down. 

1255
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,080
But I also saw ETR mentioned the
other day that they've moved him

1256
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:48,040
down to A1 game suspension, even
though I I think it was Levitan 

1257
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:50,680
mentioned like this isn't even 
technically possible, but we're 

1258
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,240
we're like adjusting down the 
possibility that he may not even

1259
00:54:53,240 --> 00:54:57,560
get suspended this year. 
I think Rice because the price 

1260
00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:59,680
fell so much and then it rose 
and then everyone's anchored to 

1261
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:00,840
the old price. 
He just continues. 

1262
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,160
He's probably been on this list 
every week for you guys, right? 

1263
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:08,240
He's just continually rising 4 
spots but like is probably still

1264
00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:10,840
multiple rounds undervalued at 
this point if he's actually 

1265
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:12,960
going to play 100% of the snaps 
with Patrick Mahomes. 

1266
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:17,280
If he wasn't getting suspended, 
we we get the news, the case, 

1267
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:19,000
they set a they set a date for 
the case. 

1268
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:24,000
It's February 2025. 
Zero percent chance he's going 

1269
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:25,840
to be suspended. 
Where are you guys taking Rashid

1270
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,560
Rice I. 
Feel like he's I'm a little 

1271
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:30,440
downer. 
Yeah, I think, I think he'd be 

1272
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,120
back to the 2-3 turn like he was
early in the offseason. 

1273
00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:37,120
I I do think there's some risk 
with him at that spot because so

1274
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:38,920
much of his stuff is scheme 
based. 

1275
00:55:39,240 --> 00:55:40,720
Yeah. 
And that was pre worthy. 

1276
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,160
That was pre worthy. 
That's pre worthy. 

1277
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,520
The worthy stuff is brown, even 
though he sounds like he's going

1278
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,240
to be back. 
That sounds like it's going to 

1279
00:55:48,240 --> 00:55:50,840
open up what they're like. 
They want to put put the 

1280
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,480
vertical element back on film, 
but the defenses want to stop 

1281
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:55,080
that. 
And then Rashe Rice just catches

1282
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:56,840
9. 
Million passes underneath, just 

1283
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:58,720
standing right here. 
I'm right here whenever you need

1284
00:55:58,720 --> 00:56:01,360
me. 10 * a game. 
Running curls. 

1285
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,040
I guess the. 
Question though is do they love 

1286
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:06,280
this? 
Do they continue to give him all

1287
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,920
of that? 
Because Xavier Worthy is really 

1288
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:11,040
good with the ball in his hands 
at the line of scrimmage too. 

1289
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:14,120
Like at Texas, 25% of his 
targets came, you know, within 5

1290
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,440
yards at the line of scrimmage. 
You know, he can do other 

1291
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:17,720
things. 
He can obviously get deep. 

1292
00:56:17,720 --> 00:56:19,400
We've seen all that stuff in 
training camp. 

1293
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,720
But I mean, there are other 
playmakers that you can also get

1294
00:56:22,720 --> 00:56:24,360
the ball around the line of 
scrimmage. 

1295
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:27,520
So like that, that would be my 
biggest concern is so many 

1296
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:29,200
things were schemed for Rasheed 
Rice. 

1297
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:30,600
I, I don't want to overthink it 
though. 

1298
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:32,800
I mean, I just want to look at a
player that was really good in 

1299
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:34,280
year one. 
And like you said, Ben, he plays

1300
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,440
with freaking Patrick Mahomes. 
So I would be back in on him as 

1301
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,080
an early round three pick. 
Like, OK, you, you have to pick 

1302
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:42,880
Ben, you're on the clock. 
We know that Rashe Rice is not 

1303
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,280
suspended, which Drew Drew 
Davenport's a great follow. 

1304
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,720
If you guys don't follow him on 
for legal stuff on Twitter. 

1305
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:50,200
He basically thinks this thing's
getting kicked down the road, 

1306
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:51,960
like they're going to kick the 
can down the road on it. 

1307
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:55,720
Rice probably playing every game
this year if you knew that Elite

1308
00:56:55,720 --> 00:56:58,760
neighbors or was she Rice? 
Oh my God, I'm probably taking 

1309
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:00,400
neighbors, but I'm. 
Taking neighbors too. 

1310
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:01,880
Cuz I think you're right. 
It's. 

1311
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:03,680
Close though, right? 
It's close. 

1312
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:05,080
That's the spot. 
Your spot? 

1313
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:09,280
Yeah, Yep, that's the D. 
Right there with neighbors right

1314
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:10,480
there. 
What about DK Metcalf? 

1315
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:11,920
You guys take him over DK 
Metcalf? 

1316
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:13,560
I would take Rice. 
I thought he was going to do 

1317
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:15,840
someone like Metcalf and I think
I would have been comfortable 

1318
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,160
saying Rice. 
Neighbors is where he really 

1319
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,680
twisted my arm. 
Devonta Smith's right there too,

1320
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:21,440
yeah. 
You know. 

1321
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:24,280
Yeah, that's a close one. 
Like I'm too pretty hit like. 

1322
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:27,560
An Eagles off 2.4 yards per 
route run with Patrick Mahomes 

1323
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:30,520
is a rookie. 
He played 100% of the snaps in 

1324
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:32,480
this in this pre season. 
Game and I've been on the don't 

1325
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,520
overthink this train with Rice 
too or because people love to 

1326
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,080
talk about the A dot and the you
know the schemed usage. 

1327
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:40,280
He got used on a bunch of 
screens, but he also earned 

1328
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,080
targets. 
And I'm actually like, I go the 

1329
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,960
other way with that. 
Like people, I did a whole rant 

1330
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:48,040
like 580P chase things ago. 
I was like, check who else got a

1331
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,120
lot of screens. 
Like seriously, Like if you're 

1332
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:52,240
going to tell me about screens, 
check who else got them because 

1333
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:53,800
it's a lot of #1 wide. 
Receivers the good. 

1334
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:57,040
Players, the good players. 
That's a good thing, yeah. 

1335
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:59,400
That's kind of the other point 
is now you Add all these other 

1336
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:03,200
weapons that they may want to 
get into some of. 

1337
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:05,200
Those worthy could get some of 
those, Yeah, like. 

1338
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,240
Absolutely, like that's the 
beauty of Debo. 

1339
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:08,760
You know, he's getting all 
those. 

1340
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:11,040
They just let Ayuk be the man 
beater, right. 

1341
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,000
And so when you play the man, 
you know, you get the man heavy 

1342
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:14,400
looks. 
It's backside play. 

1343
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,040
They're going to Ayuk. 
I mean Brock Purdy's essentially

1344
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:18,840
playing Madden out there. 
He's driving back. 

1345
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,440
Oh, it's zone Debo. 
Oh, it's man Ayuk. 

1346
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,320
Like I mean, you know, or 
Kittle, you know, Kittle can 

1347
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:26,400
destroy any linebacker or safety
pretty much in coverage. 

1348
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:29,840
So I think that's the one, you 
know, small concern and like I 

1349
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,040
wasn't huge on Rashe Rice coming
out now. 

1350
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:35,080
Like when I look at players like
over two years, his rookie pro, 

1351
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:38,400
his coming in rookie profile, 
then after year one, you put 

1352
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:40,400
those two things together, it's 
still really positive. 

1353
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:44,080
But like I can kind of squint 
and be like, OK, like I could 

1354
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:47,200
see a path to where he's not. 
Maybe maybe he turns out to be 

1355
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:49,280
more like a juju. 
You know, I don't want to put 

1356
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:52,280
not to put bad juju on him 
because that was a pun intended.

1357
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:57,040
But also like when you look at 
guys that have the the 

1358
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:58,840
questionable profiles, it's kind
of like why? 

1359
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:00,720
And for him it was mostly all of
it. 

1360
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,680
Well, a small school and and the
biggest production year was his 

1361
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:07,200
final year, but that year was a 
96 catch year, right? 

1362
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:10,160
Like at a college level in 12 
games, like a really high volume

1363
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:11,480
type thing, which he did 
immediately. 

1364
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:14,360
So as far as like the 
questionable profile thing, I'm 

1365
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:16,120
with you on that too, But I've 
thought it through. 

1366
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:20,680
Like the parts of his 
questionable profile are, I 

1367
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:22,760
don't know, I don't know how to 
how to frame that, but are at 

1368
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:26,000
least a little bit enticing that
the the what he did do as a 

1369
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:29,040
senior was the 96 like a really 
high volume. 

1370
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:31,440
Like I feel like he could just 
have so many receptions. 

1371
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:35,240
What's funny, I thought he'd 
like, if he was to make it in, 

1372
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:37,160
the NFLI would have told you it 
was going to be like a 

1373
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:39,480
possession receiver. 
Like he was really good at like 

1374
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,280
get, you know, even though he 
would kind of get open late, you

1375
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:43,960
know what I mean? 
And even though he was covered, 

1376
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,400
like he wasn't really covered in
college, like there was a lot of

1377
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,480
real tight coverage stuff where 
he would catch the ball. 

1378
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:51,480
But really the way he comes out 
and wins in year one is like as 

1379
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,440
this yak monster, which I really
honestly, you know, didn't 

1380
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:56,120
expect at all. 
But, like, that's the beauty of 

1381
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:58,440
Andy Reid. 
Yeah, that adds a huge element. 

1382
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:01,760
But I mean, this is an offense 
that has been first in the NFL 

1383
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:03,480
and pass rate over expected. 
That's the other thing we don't 

1384
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:04,960
want to overthink. 
It's not just the Mahomes 

1385
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:06,920
factor, but the pass volume, 
right? 

1386
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:09,840
Like I think he could catch like
8 balls a game and you're like, 

1387
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,480
OK, this is really good. 
I like this. 

1388
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:17,680
I like a lot of perceptions. 
Even if Dorothy's getting stuff,

1389
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:18,880
even if other guys are getting. 
Stuff. 

1390
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:20,520
That's why I asked the neighbors
thing. 

1391
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:24,120
Like 7 targets even if like if 
his targets went down. 

1392
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:27,800
Like how many targets do you 
have to get from Daniel Jones to

1393
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:30,400
be worth the same number of 
targets from Patrick Mahomes? 

1394
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:31,640
Right. 
Right. 

1395
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:35,160
Like 6 targets from Mahomes is 
probably worth 8 or 9 from 

1396
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:38,200
Daniel Jones, like something 
like that. 

1397
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:41,560
You know that that I probably 
overstate it probably probably 7

1398
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:44,760
1/2 like 7 1/2 versus 6 is 
probably like about where it's. 

1399
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:47,800
At I think I'd take the six 
Mahomes targets there versus 7 

1400
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:49,200
1/2 Jones. 
Yeah, give me the six Mahomes 

1401
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:51,480
targets. 
God, you're making a a rice over

1402
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:54,920
neighbors case all right. 
I mean, this is what my brain 

1403
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:56,360
does to me. 
These are the things I wake up 

1404
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:58,640
thinking about. 
You know, like on Seinfeld, you 

1405
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:01,080
know, he jots down a a a joke 
that he can't read. 

1406
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:03,640
I jot down some stupid thing. 
I have no clue. 

1407
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:05,880
To wake up to rice over 
neighbors question mark. 

1408
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:08,880
Yeah, like what was I thinking? 
I don't even know what happened.

1409
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:13,520
Yeah, I I would say the take 
away of this is draft Rice while

1410
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:16,040
it's still in the 5th. 
Oh, man, yeah, yes, dude, you 

1411
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:18,640
guys come back and like it's a 
fun thing to do. 

1412
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,880
I've got, I went back like a 
week ago and just looked at all 

1413
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:24,000
those teams. 
Like I had one team where I got 

1414
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:27,040
Mahomes, Kelsey, I got Rice in 
like the 80s. 

1415
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:35,120
Man, I have a team with, with 
Mahomes, Kelsey and Worthy and 

1416
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:39,200
I, I took, yeah, I took Worthy 
over Rice at the time, like cuz 

1417
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:42,760
that's where I got Worthy in the
6th and I took him over Rice 

1418
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:45,960
where now, you know, you would, 
you wish you could sub in Rice. 

1419
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:49,880
But yeah, I mean, he at one 
point, like I think I probably 

1420
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:52,560
thought Rice might come back to 
me in the 7th because of the 

1421
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:54,400
time. 
That was not unusual. 

1422
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:55,840
I need to go back and look at my
Rice scenes. 

1423
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:59,640
I had one point like 27%. 
I was like I was over 30% 

1424
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:02,400
because I do all the slows in 
batches and I was doing all the 

1425
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:05,520
slows when he was going in the 
7th and I took him in the 7th a 

1426
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:07,320
fuck like. 
Every time those teams are. 

1427
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:08,800
Amazing. 
Yeah. 

1428
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,600
But now I'm down to like 24% 
because the next batch I was 

1429
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:14,800
like, well, he's going in the 
5th now and I already had 30 

1430
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:16,840
plus percent. 
So but I I don't. 

1431
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:19,120
Want, I don't, I don't want to 
chase him up and then yeah. 

1432
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:21,720
Yeah, that's kind of how I need 
to just take him again. 

1433
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:23,480
I just want to keep taking him, 
yeah. 

1434
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:25,920
What about chase Brown? 
You guys chasing him up? 

1435
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:29,280
He's he's at one O 2, but I 
think he's this probably doesn't

1436
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:31,960
even reflect man, like he's kind
of moving to the 8-9 turn 

1437
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:36,560
really. 
I so I was getting number one. 

1438
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:40,080
I like to Chase Brown to start. 
And then like some smart people 

1439
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:42,200
in the industry were kind of 
like, I'm not so sure about 

1440
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:43,680
Chase Brown. 
I was like, OK, yeah, I'll let 

1441
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:45,560
him fall down. 
So I stopped drafting him. 

1442
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:49,120
I wish that I had kept on 
drafting him because now he's 

1443
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:51,160
getting pushed up to the point 
where I just wrote about him 

1444
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:53,800
like last week and like he's 
risen another round like since 

1445
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:55,560
then. 
And I was recommending him. 

1446
01:02:56,000 --> 01:03:00,400
And now I watch this game and 
there's just man, there's a lot 

1447
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:02,840
of concerns. 
Like, I mean, he's missing wide 

1448
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:06,200
open holes. 
I I just I know Zach Moss was 

1449
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:09,440
sick technically, so that's why 
he didn't, you know, play in the

1450
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:11,600
game. 
I think Chase Brown is the more 

1451
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:14,600
explosive of the two players, 
but I worry, you know, he's 

1452
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:17,000
like, could he be like the 
Justin Fields of running back? 

1453
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:20,120
Could he be the DeAndre Swift? 
Like did this all the time. 

1454
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:23,520
Remember when Deuce Staley just 
like be so pissed at DeAndre 

1455
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:25,920
Swift because he wouldn't just 
go to the hole like they wanted.

1456
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:28,880
He wanted to bounce everything 
outside and we're seeing that 

1457
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:31,040
with Chase. 
Like he did that last year and I

1458
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:32,880
kind of dismissed. 
I'm like, OK, I'm just not going

1459
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:35,080
to overreact. 
Like the sample's too small to 

1460
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:37,360
like freak out. 
He had, you know, high volume in

1461
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:39,280
college, all those things at the
end of his career. 

1462
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:42,160
So I was fine. 
But then like the things that we

1463
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:44,200
were worried about earlier in 
the pre, earlier in the 

1464
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:46,760
offseason like that, though, he 
did those things this weekend. 

1465
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:48,120
Like he did the same things 
again. 

1466
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:51,600
And so now I'm like, I still 
love the upside. 

1467
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:54,600
I love the offense, I love the 
explosive play making ability. 

1468
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:56,760
But like, is he, is he going to 
be one of these guys that does 

1469
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,480
the things that frustrates the 
coaches and keeps him off the 

1470
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:00,920
field? 
I do worry about that. 

1471
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:04,080
I love that they're like, this 
is like the first thought I've 

1472
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:05,520
heard about him. 
I love that there's like a 

1473
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:09,400
little bit of concern in what 
you're saying because I've been 

1474
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:13,120
trying to like actually, you 
know, steel man this and test it

1475
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:16,160
a little bit. 
And I, I think those are very 

1476
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:18,520
fair points. 
I, I hadn't really heard that 

1477
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:21,160
take on him, not necessarily in 
the holes he needs to hit and 

1478
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:22,680
stuff. 
The thing I keep going back to 

1479
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:25,440
is how Illinois actually like 
did use him as a workhorse at 

1480
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:27,160
times. 
People think he's like the scat 

1481
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:30,040
back. 
But if Moss is injured or out, 

1482
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:34,200
and I think, I mean, obviously 
Moss was just sick, but that's 

1483
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:36,400
sort of what I took away from 
the usage this weekend. 

1484
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:39,680
It was like it looked like brown
was the only dude right. 

1485
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:41,920
Then they, they went to Trayvion
Williams or whoever later. 

1486
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:44,480
But it's like, man, he could 
consolidate. 

1487
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:47,560
He could be a workhorse in the 
way that we want our, you know, 

1488
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:50,600
handcuffs or zero RB targets in 
this range. 

1489
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:52,360
But he's getting pricey for 
sure, man. 

1490
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:54,360
He's another one, right? 
I'm glad I did take some of them

1491
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:56,920
because I I. 
Yeah, I moved him up last week 

1492
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:59,520
up to buy Jonathan Brooks like 
because I've I've kind of been 

1493
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:01,960
stubborn on Jonathan Brooks 
about not moving him down with 

1494
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:04,800
ADP, but I've got him I had I 
moved him up right into that 

1495
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:07,000
range with Brooks and Jalen 
Warren. 

1496
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:09,560
And so now watching this film, 
this. 

1497
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:11,320
I don't know why Jalen Warren's 
in that range, but. 

1498
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:13,680
I know, I'm sorry. 
Jalen Board was. 

1499
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:15,680
In the 50s. 
So you moved him into the 50s 

1500
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:17,760
then? 
Yeah, no, it's like around Pat. 

1501
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:18,680
So they gave him the second 
round. 

1502
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:24,040
He's my Jalen Tolbert to pee. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1503
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:26,720
I mean, I that's kind of where I
have him. 

1504
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:30,640
He comes out at like 94 in our 
ranks, I think. 

1505
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:33,840
Yeah, I'm right around there. 
Yeah. 

1506
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:38,200
So he's. 
I don't know if I can go further

1507
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:40,520
is my point. 
Like how much further can I go? 

1508
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:44,240
I maybe I can. 
I do really love the offense so.

1509
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:47,800
Yeah. 
And I mean, I, I definitely, I, 

1510
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:50,680
I had some of those concerns. 
I played it similarly to you 

1511
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:52,640
where I was like, I just wasn't 
taking him enough. 

1512
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:56,760
I was like 10% on him when he 
was in that one, one 20s range 

1513
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:57,640
for Yeah, he was. 
Really falling. 

1514
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:00,000
I'm so pissed at myself. 
For that, I know I'm pissed at 

1515
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:03,000
myself too, but I've been trying
to like to me, there's not that 

1516
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:05,360
much of A opportunity cost to to
grab him. 

1517
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:09,160
It's like he's in a group of 
guys that we also have kind of 

1518
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:11,600
lukewarm feelings about. 
So while he's still in that like

1519
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:14,320
lukewarm zone, I've just been 
prioritizing him to try to get. 

1520
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:15,880
It's a flat spot, like the 
neighbors thing. 

1521
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:18,000
So I just got like, well, OK, 
over him. 

1522
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:19,360
Yes, over him. 
Yes, over him. 

1523
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:22,400
Yes, over him. 
Exactly, So that's where I'm 

1524
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:25,480
like, all right, let me let me 
load up now, because if he does 

1525
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:28,840
start to challenge, Zamir White 
has been kind of like a, you 

1526
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:32,440
know, I'm like this guy is 
definitely the starter and I 

1527
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:35,520
know it's a worse offense, but 
like I the you know, I get the 

1528
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:38,000
certainty there. 
Once he moves up into that kind 

1529
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:40,400
of range, certainly like 
Jonathan Brooks, I'm taking 

1530
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:41,560
Jonathan Brooks over Chase 
Brown. 

1531
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:47,080
So if he starts to like hit that
kind of level of back, then I'll

1532
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:49,680
I'll be out at that point. 
But I've been trying to be 

1533
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:51,760
aggressive while he's still a 
little bit behind those guys. 

1534
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:55,400
The chat just asked Tennessee 
backs versus Cincinnati backs, 

1535
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:57,520
and they've been going higher 
and I've been basically all 

1536
01:06:57,520 --> 01:06:59,840
offseason being like, I think 
Cincinnati's offense is going to

1537
01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:01,800
be way better. 
I was concerned about Tennessee,

1538
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:05,880
but I actually left that 
Tennessee game a little bit more

1539
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,520
into their backs. 
They got 10 touches combined 

1540
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:10,840
across 14 plays on the two first
team drives. 

1541
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:14,160
Lots of targets, lot of targets 
that I think they caught like 3 

1542
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:16,040
balls on those 10 touches and 
then seven carries. 

1543
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:18,640
Spears didn't play quite as much
as Pollard. 

1544
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:20,800
I thought Pollard actually 
looked a little bit like that. 

1545
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:24,200
You were like, is the burst back
after last year and like a 

1546
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:26,760
little bit like the old player 
that he used to be like I've 

1547
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:29,760
been pretty out on Pollard. 
I moved him up quite a bit back 

1548
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:31,840
to where like he goes because 
I've been below. 

1549
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:34,380
But that was one where I left 
that game with a pretty big take

1550
01:07:34,380 --> 01:07:36,760
away from this weekend where I 
was like, man, I don't think, 

1551
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:38,240
well, Levis is good. 
I didn't think he was looked 

1552
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:40,120
very comfortable reading out 
stuff downfield. 

1553
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:42,760
But the stuff about Brian 
Callahan's gonna like have him 

1554
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,560
throw to the running backs 
looked very clear to me. 

1555
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:48,000
I was like OK well maybe I do 
need to be on the on the running

1556
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:51,920
backs more so. 
Spears, like, you know, didn't 

1557
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:54,760
have as many yards as Pollard. 
Like if you watch it like he was

1558
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:56,800
getting blown up in the 
backfield, there were defenders 

1559
01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:59,800
back there every play. 
And man, the touchdown he scored

1560
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:03,720
inside the five was a weak 
cutback, man, like just a 

1561
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:05,920
beautiful cutback. 
So yeah, I'm with you. 

1562
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:07,800
I like both players. 
I could see this stuff flip 

1563
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:09,800
flopping every week. 
I mean, this is one of those 

1564
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:11,840
that we talked about at the 
beginning, like, hey, we see the

1565
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:14,520
tip of the iceberg, but how much
of the tip of the iceberg like 

1566
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:17,920
matches to all the other things 
that are sub level to, you know,

1567
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:19,439
under the under the water that 
we've heard? 

1568
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:21,960
Like the coaches have already 
told us all offseason, like they

1569
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:24,359
spent the money on Pollard. 
They said they wanted guys that 

1570
01:08:24,359 --> 01:08:26,840
were interchangeable, that they 
wanted to be able to do both 

1571
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:28,000
things. 
And then we saw, thought we've 

1572
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:30,520
heard those things in camp that 
that's how they're getting used.

1573
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:32,560
And then now we see it in the 
first preseason game, they do 

1574
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:35,040
that exact same thing. 
Like you mentioned, Pollard a 

1575
01:08:35,319 --> 01:08:39,760
little bit ahead, 5757% of the 
snaps versus 43% for Spears. 

1576
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:43,880
Pollard had 50% of the design 
rushing attempts, 38% for 

1577
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:45,439
Spears. 
But Spears was slightly ahead in

1578
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:48,520
the passing game, 50% route 
participation with the starters 

1579
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:51,960
versus 33% for Pollard. 
But I could see all of those 

1580
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:54,600
same facets just flipping the 
next week, right? 

1581
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:57,319
And it being actually Pollard, 
they got a little more time on 

1582
01:08:57,319 --> 01:08:58,840
passing. 
Now, I think a lot of this one 

1583
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:02,479
could come down to which drives 
were you on the field, you know,

1584
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:05,200
And then now they did 
interchange them during the 

1585
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:07,160
drives too. 
So it wasn't just, oh, Pollard 

1586
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:08,880
got to drive and then Spears got
to drive. 

1587
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:11,479
But I like both of these players
at cost. 

1588
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:14,600
And I've been drafting both of 
them like because I just, even 

1589
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:17,279
though I liked Spears because he
was cheaper, like they were 

1590
01:09:17,279 --> 01:09:19,319
close enough. 
Like in profiles I was like, 

1591
01:09:19,319 --> 01:09:21,160
well, I want to be drafting both
of them. 

1592
01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:23,600
So when I can get Pollard, I 
want to take him when I get 

1593
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:26,359
spear because I have trouble. 
Like sometimes people like, oh, 

1594
01:09:26,359 --> 01:09:28,279
why take Pollard when I could 
just get Spears? 

1595
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:30,200
That's. 
What I was doing? 

1596
01:09:30,319 --> 01:09:32,720
Because they're often, I think 
the same pick is why like you're

1597
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:33,240
like. 
Now. 

1598
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:34,399
Now they are. 
Yeah. 

1599
01:09:34,399 --> 01:09:36,840
They, they weren't like, you 
know, two weeks ago now. 

1600
01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:39,359
And now like back then I was 
like, well, I think Spears the 

1601
01:09:39,359 --> 01:09:41,439
better talent profile too. 
Paula just shown some efficient 

1602
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:42,880
to see the client. 
But I do think that was a 

1603
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:44,080
mistake. 
I think I like what? 

1604
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:46,240
You're it can be a trap, like 
I've done it before too, with 

1605
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:49,000
different not the not these two 
players, but I've done it, you 

1606
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:51,200
know, in the it's the same thing
that people do right now with 

1607
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:54,560
Jaden Reed, right versus oh, I 
can wait and get Christian 

1608
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:56,760
Watson or Dantevian Wicks, you 
know, or Dobbs. 

1609
01:09:58,120 --> 01:09:59,920
Right. 
Yeah, actually. 

1610
01:09:59,920 --> 01:10:02,560
What can be right sometimes the 
the the more expensive player 

1611
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:05,760
can be right sometimes I mean. 
Well, especially when they're 

1612
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:07,400
all good. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1613
01:10:07,480 --> 01:10:10,040
You know, yeah. 
The consumer, Ballard was like, 

1614
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:12,120
maybe he's not good anymore, but
that was a big one for me 

1615
01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:13,760
watching him. 
I was like, OK, he doesn't look 

1616
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:16,360
bad. 
I mean like, 'cause he is 20, 

1617
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:20,240
what, 28 now 2728 and and had 
the efficiency decline last year

1618
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:22,200
and you're like, this can be a 
little. 

1619
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:24,320
Yeah, I feel like it was 
probably some of the tightrope 

1620
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:26,200
stuff, you know, but it's hard 
to say, right? 

1621
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:28,480
Yeah, he did. 
He did have burst on that one 

1622
01:10:28,480 --> 01:10:31,040
plane that was a wide open hole.
You know, his long run. 

1623
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:34,280
He eventually got chased down 
and tackled from behind. 

1624
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:36,760
He kind of went down weird. 
I was like, Oh no, like, don't 

1625
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:39,200
don't like have that injury 
again, because that's how he got

1626
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:41,760
the tightrope injury was that 
tackle from behind. 

1627
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:45,680
But I I still honestly between 
the two thought even though 

1628
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:48,800
Spears was getting bottled up 
because of the other team, looks

1629
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:50,640
like still probably has the most
juice. 

1630
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:53,640
Yeah, I, I should, I should 
clarify, I was way behind on 

1631
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:55,840
Pollard, but still drafting 
Spears. 

1632
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:57,560
Like I had Spears ranked way 
ahead of him. 

1633
01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:01,000
And and I just left that game. 
Like I, I want to be in on both 

1634
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:03,280
these guys a little bit. 
And if if like Chase Brown gets 

1635
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:06,160
so expensive you can't get him. 
I, I now think those guys are, 

1636
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:08,040
are a good fall back. 
And I was somebody who was out 

1637
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:10,480
on that prior to this pre season
week 1. 

1638
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:13,400
Have you been have you guys been
sorry back to the Bengals? 

1639
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:16,240
Have you guys been drafting Zach
Moss as he's falling any or 

1640
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:18,120
you're just like I think? 
I've drafted him like once or 

1641
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:21,080
twice since the fall, but I 
think he needs to fall a little 

1642
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:24,520
bit further. 
Like if he's, you know, I mean, 

1643
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:28,480
we had it as Brown was available
in like the one 20s and and Moss

1644
01:11:28,480 --> 01:11:31,440
was kind of going where Brown is
now, I guess a little higher. 

1645
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:35,240
But I'm like, not that he needs 
to fall to the one 20s, but he's

1646
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:39,480
at like one O 2. 
I'd like him to fall at least 

1647
01:11:39,480 --> 01:11:43,240
closer to 110 I think. 
The challenge is if, if brown 

1648
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:46,480
like craps the bed by some 
chance, there's upside. 

1649
01:11:46,480 --> 01:11:50,600
I do think like, yeah, I do 
think that Moss could basically 

1650
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:52,720
be mixing. 
Right. 

1651
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:54,160
You know. 
Do you like? 

1652
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:57,480
Do you like like Naji over Moss?
Would you take Pollard over 

1653
01:11:57,480 --> 01:11:59,360
Moss? 
Where, where, where would he fit

1654
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:01,560
with those two guys? 
Man Naji's. 

1655
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:05,600
Way over Moss, I mean Naji. 
I ADP but like in your actual 

1656
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:07,640
like. 
Yeah, no, I have Naji rated ADP.

1657
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:09,680
As much as I like Warren, I 
think Naji's totally fine. 

1658
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:11,240
I think they're gonna just run 
the ball a ton. 

1659
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:13,360
Sure. 
Yeah, I think they're gonna run 

1660
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:15,880
the ball plenty, but I just feel
so much more bullish about the 

1661
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:17,760
Bengals offense, you know what I
mean? 

1662
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:18,840
Yeah. 
I kind of like would rather 

1663
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:21,320
draft Moss than Naji. 
That that's kind of where I've 

1664
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:24,640
been. 
But yeah, I haven't taken a lot 

1665
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:27,640
of Naji because I just never can
click on him over Jalen Warren. 

1666
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:30,280
Well, that's what I do. 
I just click one. 

1667
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:32,240
Yeah. 
I have not. 

1668
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:35,080
Especially it's like every time 
I have an excuse to, it's like, 

1669
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:37,640
well, I don't have this build 
yet with Jalen Warren. 

1670
01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:40,080
I can't take Naji here. 
But even though I've got like 

1671
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:42,040
Jalen's my second most. 
Last thing I'd want is this 

1672
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:43,920
build to be right and I have 
Naji instead of Warren. 

1673
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:45,200
Exactly. 
But when? 

1674
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:46,640
Warren, That's the sick shit, I 
think. 

1675
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:49,600
When I have Warren lined up and 
he gets sniped and Naji's still 

1676
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:51,320
there, I do make a point to take
him. 

1677
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:52,440
Just do it. 
Yeah. 

1678
01:12:52,440 --> 01:12:53,360
Just do it. 
Yeah. 

1679
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:56,560
I'm at the 4% Naji. 
I haven't ranked at ADP but I 

1680
01:12:56,560 --> 01:12:59,440
don't really draft. 
Them that much you got the 

1681
01:12:59,440 --> 01:13:00,880
comfort. 
I got the blanket, I got the 

1682
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:02,560
blanket. 
Perfect guy to have an exposure 

1683
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:06,520
blanket on. 
I think the I want to ask, so 

1684
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:10,000
Jordan Mason and Elijah Mitchell
looks like we're getting maybe a

1685
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:13,200
flip of of the RV 2. 
But Mason is a guy who hasn't 

1686
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:18,600
really been drafted. 
And kind of curious to get your 

1687
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:22,240
thoughts, Dwayne, on any of the 
guys, whether it's Mason or 

1688
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:26,680
anyone else that you're drafting
now that aren't that haven't 

1689
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:30,840
really been drafted at 100% clip
so far, so potential leverage 

1690
01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:34,200
guys that you know, we have 
access to in August that people 

1691
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:37,640
in in May didn't know to draft. 
Well, man, RIP Trey Sermon. 

1692
01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:41,280
Yeah, that that was one. 
I guess, you know, we'll see. 

1693
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:42,680
This was still early in the 
preseason. 

1694
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:43,840
It's funny. 
We act like these guys are 

1695
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:48,360
completely dead, but. 
That was rough, man. 

1696
01:13:48,440 --> 01:13:48,880
I've been. 
Taking. 

1697
01:13:49,440 --> 01:13:50,400
Too. 
That was rough. 

1698
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:52,880
And the problem with sermon is 
like, I just don't believe in 

1699
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:55,240
him at all. 
So like if you gave if like he 

1700
01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:56,080
like. 
Passed his. 

1701
01:13:56,080 --> 01:14:01,120
Peaky toe. 
I'd be like, sorry man, I had to

1702
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:03,000
like work. 
To talk Segal into him in our 

1703
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:05,600
pros versus Joe's draft and he 
was our 20th round pick and I 

1704
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:08,000
was like, no, this is the right 
running back pick here, Sean. 

1705
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:10,520
We took him in the 20th round 
and now he's just going to be a 

1706
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:12,680
complete zero because of injury.
I'm like, damn it. 

1707
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:17,200
Like you think Elijah Elijah 
Mitchell like is an interesting 

1708
01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:19,760
one. 
You know, I don't know why Kyle 

1709
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:23,560
Shanahan continues to like just 
burn, you know, mid round picks 

1710
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:25,720
on running backs when he can 
find these guys as well as he 

1711
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:27,480
does. 
His dad did the same thing 

1712
01:14:27,480 --> 01:14:30,120
though, So it's like apple 
doesn't far, doesn't fall far 

1713
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:31,280
from the tree. 
I'm like, don't you guys 

1714
01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:33,320
remember Olandis, Gary and Mike 
Anderson? 

1715
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:35,480
No one listening to this show 
knows who those people. 

1716
01:14:35,480 --> 01:14:40,360
Are but there's so many who's 
that really skinny or Broncos 

1717
01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:42,920
running back that we got excited
about it was he's like he's like

1718
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:45,200
180 lbs. 
I'll look it up. 

1719
01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:47,800
There's there's some hilarious. 
Back in the day we had we had 

1720
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:49,800
Tatum Bells. 
So they have two profile they. 

1721
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:53,240
Look way back. 
Types that they like, like one 

1722
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:54,840
of my first articles ever in 
fantasy. 

1723
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:56,880
And then I just didn't ride in 
for a while 'cause like I was in

1724
01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:58,840
a different career and 
professionally I just got super 

1725
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:01,320
busy. 
But it was called S2K, so 

1726
01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:05,920
Shanahan or SK2, so Shanahan, 
Kubiak, right? 

1727
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:09,240
It was all about their scheme 
and the running backs, the type 

1728
01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:12,200
of running backs they they pick.
And it's like these guys that a 

1729
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:14,600
lot of people consider plotters,
but they have great vision, 

1730
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:16,040
right? 
Like Arian Foster. 

1731
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:17,840
But the funny part is they don't
even know when they have a good 

1732
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:19,680
one or not. 
Like they just draft a bunch of 

1733
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:20,960
them and they eventually find 
one. 

1734
01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:24,240
So like Arian Foster was like 
the example, you know, of where 

1735
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:27,200
where like Charchander West is 
the example of like, you know, 

1736
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:30,640
when it didn't work out. 
Lorenzo Taliafaro was an example

1737
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:32,960
of like when it didn't work out 
like. 

1738
01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:36,480
Ruben Drones was a full back and
then they made him a yes back. 

1739
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:39,160
But then they also had this 
other archetype that they 

1740
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:42,160
wanted, like the true explosive 
player, the Elijah Mitchell, the

1741
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:45,040
Tatum Bell, the Clinton Portis. 
Clinton Portis was the best 

1742
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:47,960
example of like that, like 
really working out a Chan is the

1743
01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:50,720
example of what that looks like,
you know, with Mike McDaniel. 

1744
01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:52,680
So they have these two 
archetypes that they want to 

1745
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:54,960
have. 
And whenever you look, you know,

1746
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:57,760
at Elijah Mitchell, like he's 
obviously the explosive one. 

1747
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:01,160
But whenever we look at Jordan 
Mason, like he's the guy that 

1748
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:05,320
like he's not super fast, but 
man, like patient runner sees 

1749
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:08,600
the field really well. 
He's not like super powerful, 

1750
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:11,360
but has enough powerful to like 
run through arm wraps and 

1751
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:12,640
tackles. 
He can bounce off. 

1752
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:15,360
He's got good contact. 
So he's one of these guys that 

1753
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:20,080
like, if he did ever find 
himself like getting 60% of the 

1754
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:24,080
workload somehow in the 49ers 
offense, like he would be a 

1755
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:26,880
running back one like I, I don't
have any doubt about that at 

1756
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:30,400
this point about Jordan Mason. 
The challenge is like, you know,

1757
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:32,200
would it ever, you know, come to
that? 

1758
01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:34,520
Because eventually Elijah 
Mitchell will be healthy, like 

1759
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:37,720
if the assuming the 49ers don't 
cut him and then it's probably a

1760
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:39,160
split, you know, between those 
guys. 

1761
01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:41,640
But I have mixed in Jordan Mason
a little bit because Elijah 

1762
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:44,720
Mitchell is always hurt and I've
kind of chilled out on Mitchell.

1763
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:48,080
I was taking him quite a bit 
like in the last two rounds, 

1764
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:50,600
especially like when I had 
Detroit guys and things like 

1765
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:53,040
that, where it just kind of led 
me to doing it some. 

1766
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:56,360
But I have been mixing in Jordan
Mason in the very last round. 

1767
01:16:57,080 --> 01:17:00,280
Pat was it Selvin Young? 
No, it wasn't Sylvan Young. 

1768
01:17:00,440 --> 01:17:02,280
It was like Sylvan. 
Young wasn't. 

1769
01:17:02,440 --> 01:17:04,320
Yeah. 
It was this dude. 

1770
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:08,040
He was like, so skinny like it 
was absurd. 

1771
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:10,200
Yeah, Young was a little bigger 
back for sure. 

1772
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:13,840
Yeah, Tatum Bell's was was 
pretty small, right. 

1773
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:15,440
I know. 
How big was? 

1774
01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:17,680
No, Slayton was bigger than 
that. 

1775
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:20,640
He was under Kubiak in Houston. 
I'm 180. 

1776
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:21,600
How big wasn't? 
Yeah. 

1777
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:23,920
How big was Tatum Bell? 
I don't know who the 100 is. 

1778
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:25,760
Oh, was it? 
Was it the? 

1779
01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:29,120
Was it the running back from 
Oklahoma, Quentin Griffin? 

1780
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:32,240
No. 
He was Deuce Vaughn basically 

1781
01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:34,320
before Deuce Vaughn. 
You guys go look. 

1782
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:37,440
I wonder if he's like 5-7 I. 
Don't see Cecil? 

1783
01:17:37,480 --> 01:17:40,320
Cecil Sapp. 
I'm like, no, that was a wasn't 

1784
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:41,760
no. 
It wasn't OSHA Moreno. 

1785
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:43,440
He's a bigger dude. 
Yeah, people are. 

1786
01:17:43,440 --> 01:17:48,760
Saying Tatum Bell. 
You guys do Tatum Bell feels 

1787
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:50,080
like. 
We just all look up weights. 

1788
01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:52,760
Right. 
What? 

1789
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:54,640
Mike Anderson? 
No M213. 

1790
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:56,960
Tatum Bell, Jesus. 
Yeah, it wasn't Tatum. 

1791
01:17:56,960 --> 01:17:58,080
Bell. 
He was bigger than I thought he 

1792
01:17:58,080 --> 01:17:58,400
was. 
It was. 

1793
01:17:58,440 --> 01:17:59,800
Like this? 
Little was that big. 

1794
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:02,560
Yeah, it was. 
You know what The funny thing 

1795
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:03,760
is? 
It's probably not even a 

1796
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:06,280
Shanahan back. 
It's probably post the Shanahan 

1797
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:09,760
years, but maybe it was under 
Kubiak or something. 

1798
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:13,160
After they I'm going to find 
this dude. 

1799
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:16,440
All right, set you guys up with 
a topic and then I'll figure out

1800
01:18:16,440 --> 01:18:20,160
who this Broncos back was. 
Doesn't even play for these 

1801
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:21,400
teams. 
No kitchen. 

1802
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:24,560
Griffin was 57194. 
That's the closest thing I've 

1803
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:27,520
found. 
That's a good one, Leget. 

1804
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:31,400
Leget's an interesting one. 
Is like this has been a bad run 

1805
01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:36,200
out for Leget, but like he's not
getting cut, like he's not a 

1806
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:37,960
practice squad. 
Candidate Pat Is it Ronnie 

1807
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:39,080
Hillman? 
Ronnie Hillman? 

1808
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:42,360
Yes, it was Ronnie Hillman. 
Ronnie Hillman. 

1809
01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:44,320
That's it was 90. 
Yeah. 

1810
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:46,160
Chad did it. 
Thank you, Chad. 

1811
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:49,280
Ronnie Hillman. 
Yeah, Let's, let's pull him up. 

1812
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:52,960
So he was from San Diego State. 
Yeah. 

1813
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:54,320
Yeah, yeah. 
That's who it was. 

1814
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:58,000
And I don't think really ever 
did anything, but I was like, 

1815
01:18:58,040 --> 01:19:00,000
Ronnie Hillman, dude, this guy's
no. 

1816
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:02,680
But back in the day, I remember 
drafting some Ronnie Hillman way

1817
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:05,560
too damn early, I'll tell you. 
That third round pick in 2012? 

1818
01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:07,000
He's 200, so not. 
Quite. 

1819
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:09,720
I remember when Tatum Bell was 
on the cover of Fantasy Football

1820
01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:12,920
Index and it was like the next 
great bro. 

1821
01:19:12,920 --> 01:19:15,600
I was like, that's bold for a 
magazine like way back in the 

1822
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:17,320
day I used to. 
Read that magazine way back in 

1823
01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:19,760
the day too, man. 
Me too, man, me too, they had. 

1824
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:21,400
Steve Slayton, you mentioned 
him. 

1825
01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:23,640
They had him like RB41 year and 
I was. 

1826
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:25,000
Yeah, he had that. 
Amazing. 

1827
01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:27,040
Because I was like, these guys 
are crazy, man. 

1828
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:29,040
They love Steve Slayton. 
This is way too much. 

1829
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:32,360
I drafted too much Steve Slayton
that year because I had drafted 

1830
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:35,080
him the year before as just a 
late round dart and he like won 

1831
01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:37,000
fantasy championships. 
Yeah. 

1832
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:39,880
Yeah. 
I thought he was awful the next 

1833
01:19:39,880 --> 01:19:40,880
year so. 
Brutal. 

1834
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:43,680
Yeah, he was terrible. 
West Virginia. 

1835
01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:46,680
Steve Slayton. 
Yeah, what were you going to say

1836
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:49,400
about Legette, Pat? 
Well, I just feel like this is 

1837
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:52,120
kind of the time to buy Legette.
Like everybody's out. 

1838
01:19:52,480 --> 01:19:54,640
He's actually getting back to 
practice now. 

1839
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:58,840
It's been a bad offseason for 
sure, and he'll probably bust, 

1840
01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:03,880
but he's getting so cheap and 
we're actually losing rookies 

1841
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:06,000
that we are hopeful about that 
didn't have draft capital and 

1842
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:08,320
now he's like falling into that 
range. 

1843
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:10,400
Mingo. 
Also didn't look good this 

1844
01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:12,200
weekend like. 
Yeah, that's yeah. 

1845
01:20:12,200 --> 01:20:14,240
So Mingo. 
Mingo was doing normal Mingo 

1846
01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:16,520
things. 
So not surprising, but it is 

1847
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:19,520
nice to see. 
So I don't know, I think Leget 

1848
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:22,760
is suddenly becoming pretty 
interesting and and maybe we 

1849
01:20:22,760 --> 01:20:24,680
grab the low point of his value 
potentially. 

1850
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:26,520
I've been taking him as he's 
fallen. 

1851
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:28,520
Nice, nice. 
Yeah. 

1852
01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:31,880
Just I, I, I totally hear your 
narrative, but like once I get 

1853
01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:34,160
into that range and I look at 
the other names, like I just 

1854
01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:38,120
still like, OK, well, they still
invested a first round pick, you

1855
01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:40,280
know, in the guy. 
I, I don't love his profile. 

1856
01:20:40,280 --> 01:20:42,240
He doesn't grate out great. 
But it's kind of like what you 

1857
01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:45,120
talked about, you know, the last
year for Rasheed Rice, even 

1858
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:48,160
though he's an older prospect, 
it was a great last year and it 

1859
01:20:48,160 --> 01:20:50,480
was in the SEC. 
So like, I mean, there is 

1860
01:20:50,480 --> 01:20:54,160
something like that I can get on
board with with with Liget and 

1861
01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:57,320
Adam Thielen's aging. 
Jonathan Mingo did not look good

1862
01:20:57,320 --> 01:21:00,800
again, you know. 
Got a throw to him open in the 

1863
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:03,200
middle of the field and hit him 
right in the chest and dropped 

1864
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:04,120
it. 
It's like, all right, well, 

1865
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:05,240
there's your Jonathan Mingo 
camp. 

1866
01:21:05,240 --> 01:21:07,600
But I didn't, I didn't have a 
chance to see that when he 

1867
01:21:08,440 --> 01:21:10,560
jumped up to catch it. 
Did he just start spinning 

1868
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:13,800
around in circles like 
helicopter then flying flying 

1869
01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:16,680
flying around the field? 
Did he get some weird Madden 

1870
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:18,240
animation where he just gets 
stuck? 

1871
01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:18,560
No. 
Yeah. 

1872
01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:21,120
He's a glitch man, but he's a 
human glitch. 

1873
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:22,800
This. 
Is weird stuff. 

1874
01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:25,280
Remember that catch last year, 
Dwayne? 

1875
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:27,720
We had a lot of fun on ship 
chasing where it he was near the

1876
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:31,240
sideline and he jumped like, Oh 
my God, he needs to get out of 

1877
01:21:31,240 --> 01:21:33,400
bounds. 
Like he was trying so hard to 

1878
01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:35,640
get his feet out of bounds. 
Like you had to try. 

1879
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:38,120
I do remember, I remember 
thinking how was that even 

1880
01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:39,960
possible? 
Yeah, it's impressive. 

1881
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:44,560
It's so impressive that like, I 
mean, it is hard to be that 

1882
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:45,920
backwards from what you want to 
do. 

1883
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:49,920
This is the this is playing best
ball Dwellian. 

1884
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:51,480
He will probably bust, but you 
should draft him. 

1885
01:21:51,480 --> 01:21:54,360
That's called the pick outside 
the top 150 in best ball. 

1886
01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:58,320
We need we we need to get these 
guys, you know, who have some 

1887
01:21:58,320 --> 01:21:59,920
upside, but it's probably not 
going to work. 

1888
01:21:59,920 --> 01:22:04,040
And I think at this price, at 
this price, like, you know, I 

1889
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:05,840
for a while I was like inverse 
Jalen Polk. 

1890
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:06,960
I was like, I'm taking Jalen 
Polk. 

1891
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:10,200
This guy's got a clear runway 
to, you know, getting out there 

1892
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:13,360
and like gets had the clear 
runway, but now the runway, you 

1893
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:15,520
know, it's it's a little iced 
over. 

1894
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:18,920
What about Leget versus Jaylen 
McMillan? 

1895
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:21,320
Who's the big riser? 
That's where I have him. 

1896
01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:23,040
I have those guys ranked next to
each other. 

1897
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:27,080
That's a really interesting comp
because I I don't have a ton of 

1898
01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:29,920
pushback for why you wouldn't 
take McMillan. 

1899
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:34,800
He's had such a strong camp. 
I guess the reason to take Leget

1900
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:39,880
is to bet that he can emerge 
just like the clear #2 target 

1901
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:43,040
down the stretch And, and 
really, it's a bet on draft 

1902
01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:46,280
capital and and athleticism. 
Yeah, McMillan. 

1903
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:49,680
Before I ask that back ahead of 
McMillan, I had McMillan ahead 

1904
01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:51,080
of him for a moment, but I 
haven't. 

1905
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:53,440
Like I just had McMillan ranked 
aggressive. 

1906
01:22:53,440 --> 01:22:54,600
I haven't both had a brand of 
coats. 

1907
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:57,320
That's how aggressively I'm 
ranking these guys compared to 

1908
01:22:57,320 --> 01:22:58,520
yeah. 
Yeah. 

1909
01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:02,840
This weekend, McMillan, the 
other nice thing, he was playing

1910
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:06,560
outside. 
So we we didn't have Evans and 

1911
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:09,520
Godwin obviously in the game. 
It was McMillan and Trey Palmer.

1912
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:11,280
They were the two guys that 
started for the Bucks. 

1913
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:14,160
But McMillan, you know, he 
played mostly slot. 

1914
01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:17,360
Well, you know this like then 
you can wax poetic hair on on 

1915
01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:19,000
McMillan. 
You're you're the dude for that.

1916
01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:21,280
But he did he has been playing 
outside. 

1917
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:23,400
We've heard that, you know, son 
in camp that they've been, you 

1918
01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:24,960
know, moving them all over the 
formation. 

1919
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:28,040
So he did that in this game. 
Like his first target he earned 

1920
01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:30,480
right out of the gate was from 
outside, you know, was a dig 

1921
01:23:30,480 --> 01:23:33,440
route on, you know, where he's 
cutting in across, you know, the

1922
01:23:33,440 --> 01:23:37,680
defender. 
So if something did happen, you 

1923
01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:40,520
know, with Godwin, we already 
expect him to probably be the 

1924
01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:45,080
lead slot receiver, but even now
maybe, you know, that's probably

1925
01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:47,000
a good thing for him and 11 
personnel. 

1926
01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:50,400
Maybe he really is the guy 
that's going to start on the 

1927
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:52,800
outside. 
I, I think it's kind of tricky 

1928
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:55,120
because Palmer like is the guy 
that gives you that vertical 

1929
01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:57,400
threat, but really you're using 
Evans in that way too. 

1930
01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:02,080
So I, I do like McMillan. 
He can take a look at over him, 

1931
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:04,920
but I I really like it. 
The one thing that I've said 

1932
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:08,720
through the offseason and that 
was really on display here with 

1933
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:11,440
this couple catches is you'll 
never see a wide receiver go 

1934
01:24:11,440 --> 01:24:13,840
down quicker at first contact. 
So don't expect him to start 

1935
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:16,320
breaking tackles down, down down
the field. 

1936
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:19,320
If you see his two catches, go 
watch his, you know, pre season 

1937
01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:21,000
highlights. 
It's like he doesn't even really

1938
01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:25,480
try to to gain more. 
Hey man, we need week 17 that's 

1939
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:28,840
months away, so stay helpful 
Jalen, he's he'll. 

1940
01:24:29,360 --> 01:24:32,240
Get open and catch passes. 
But yeah, I mean, he's not going

1941
01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:33,560
to be, he's not going to be a 
big yak guy. 

1942
01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:36,960
I do something selfish. 
I got to bounce in a minute, but

1943
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:38,640
I wanted to get your thoughts on
Polk. 

1944
01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:40,240
You know, he didn't start this 
weekend. 

1945
01:24:40,240 --> 01:24:42,640
I'm not that worried about that.
He was still on the field right 

1946
01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:45,320
away after, especially when you 
consider who started the game, 

1947
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:47,360
right? 
I mean, we've got guys that we 

1948
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:50,160
know shouldn't be on a football 
field like Taekwon Thornton, 

1949
01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:51,480
like they just shouldn't be out 
there. 

1950
01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:53,360
KJ Osborne, not worried about 
it. 

1951
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:55,320
Like I think Polk's a starter 
week one. 

1952
01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:58,240
But let me let me hear your your
thoughts on Polk because I've 

1953
01:24:58,240 --> 01:25:00,800
drafted a ton of him. 
So I really love him. 

1954
01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:03,400
Because of the UW stuff. 
Is that are you asking, Pat? 

1955
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:06,080
Yeah, yeah, you, you you know 
more about him than anybody. 

1956
01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:08,880
So the way that the way that 
I've described it is I liked 

1957
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:10,760
Polk way more than McMillan as a
fan. 

1958
01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:12,560
And then, you know, you're 
really digging the numbers. 

1959
01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:13,840
You're digging some of the 
target earning. 

1960
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:19,160
And to me, he's that type of 
receiver that the film guys are 

1961
01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:21,240
going to really like because he 
does everything you want. 

1962
01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:23,200
I think he's better for an NFL 
team. 

1963
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:25,640
I understand why the Patriots 
took him higher than McMillan, 

1964
01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:28,960
but McMillan I think has the 
higher ceiling because McMillan 

1965
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:31,440
just like had the higher targets
per hour run, had the 1000 yard 

1966
01:25:31,440 --> 01:25:34,280
season alongside the doones day 
because he gets open and he 

1967
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:37,560
makes you know, the the plays 
without necessarily like he 

1968
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:41,600
makes things like makes easy 
plays, whereas Polk is like 

1969
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:46,040
fairly inconsistent at times. 
So Louis described it as like I,

1970
01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:50,440
when I for fantasy, I care more 
about the, the worst 20% of your

1971
01:25:50,440 --> 01:25:53,120
routes than the best 20% of your
routes, which is kind of weird, 

1972
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:54,160
right? 
But like, you know, we obviously

1973
01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:57,120
we want the like really strong 
target shares And I that's the 

1974
01:25:57,160 --> 01:25:59,560
part of Polk's game that's a 
little bit of a concern. 

1975
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:03,640
He wasn't hyper reliable in some
spots. 

1976
01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:06,760
He's in like dude made so many 
big plays. 

1977
01:26:06,760 --> 01:26:08,040
He's such a good contested catch
guy. 

1978
01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:10,120
I understand why people like him
and he's going to go win the 

1979
01:26:10,120 --> 01:26:11,960
ball in spots. 
That is like, again, good for an

1980
01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:14,320
NFL team. 
I worry about his ability to, 

1981
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:19,040
like, consistently win targets 
over the whole sample of all of 

1982
01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:21,000
his routes, which I think is 
just such an important thing at 

1983
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:23,600
receiver. 
So I'm a little bit behind, 

1984
01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:25,680
certainly behind pad and a 
little bit behind. 

1985
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:29,440
I think most people on him and 
on his profile, especially in an

1986
01:26:29,440 --> 01:26:32,320
offense that projects for the 
fewest points of any, you know, 

1987
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:34,720
with a look at headlines of any 
offense in the NFL, you're like,

1988
01:26:35,160 --> 01:26:37,080
it's kind of a tricky, tricky 
pass game. 

1989
01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:39,320
But if May hits, Pat, you've 
made this point a bunch of 

1990
01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:40,880
times. 
If May hits and it's a, you 

1991
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:42,840
know, systemic thing for the 
whole Patriots. 

1992
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:44,480
Offense. 
Yeah, Pat, I hate Ben's answer 

1993
01:26:44,480 --> 01:26:46,920
because so can I hear you. 
Yeah. 

1994
01:26:47,800 --> 01:26:50,800
So one of the one of the leaks 
for me, I think in dynasty, 

1995
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:53,880
because I, you know, came, I got
really obsessed with fantasy 

1996
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:57,640
through dynasty. 
And I think like as I look at 

1997
01:26:58,080 --> 01:27:01,760
how then to apply, you know, 
dynasty to best ball, I feel 

1998
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:03,960
like one of the things I've had 
to get better at. 

1999
01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:07,600
It's like there, there are those
guys in Dynasty who you're like,

2000
01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:11,360
I just don't think this dude's 
ever going to be like a huge 

2001
01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:13,240
number one. 
And you need that. 

2002
01:27:13,320 --> 01:27:16,560
You need that ceiling in Dynasty
like you, you want a guy who can

2003
01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:20,360
be like a team's true #1 huge, 
massive hit. 

2004
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:23,200
And I'm really searching for 
those profiles. 

2005
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:25,920
And I'm like, not, I don't 
really care if you're going to 

2006
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:30,280
be like a solid #2 for a while. 
And that's really where Jalen 

2007
01:27:30,280 --> 01:27:31,080
that's. 
What polka is? 

2008
01:27:31,360 --> 01:27:35,400
Yeah, that's what he is. 
But like, I think he very much 

2009
01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:37,800
profiles as a guy who can hit 
the ground running. 

2010
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:40,200
Like when you hear about like 
all of his traits and 

2011
01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:43,560
everything, it's like he he does
stuff, you know, he the 

2012
01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:45,640
contested catch, he can play 
over the middle, he can line up 

2013
01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:48,000
all over the place. 
He's got great hands. 

2014
01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:50,480
The route running is pretty 
good. 

2015
01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:54,640
So I'm like this dude can get 
out there and earn targets right

2016
01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:57,160
away. 
And then he's in the probably 

2017
01:27:57,160 --> 01:28:00,600
the best situation in the NFL 
for being able to do that. 

2018
01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:06,280
And then he's priced as a second
round pick well below a lot of. 

2019
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:10,680
Others, yeah. 
So yeah, to me, like the him and

2020
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:13,280
honestly, AD Mitchell is 
becoming a bigger priority too. 

2021
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:16,560
So I'm like, I'm getting that. 
I'm getting the discount 

2022
01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:19,680
relative to some of the other 
draft capital. 

2023
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:21,200
And it's a profile that I really
like. 

2024
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:23,680
And it's a spot where we're 
seeing evidence that this guy's 

2025
01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:25,800
going to be involved early, 
where we're getting evidence 

2026
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:27,960
that a lot of other guys aren't 
going to be involved early. 

2027
01:28:28,440 --> 01:28:30,360
The price hasn't really shot up 
on Polk. 

2028
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:34,400
I've been, I've been hammering 
him the entire way, in part 

2029
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:35,800
because I'm drafting a ton of 
Drink Me. 

2030
01:28:36,160 --> 01:28:38,640
What's funny is like I actually 
you're both kind of saying the 

2031
01:28:38,640 --> 01:28:42,280
same thing too, and that's what 
showed up like when I put the 

2032
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:43,840
prospects through the rookie 
supermodel. 

2033
01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:46,880
Supermodel's a joke, guys like 
So for people that wonder why do

2034
01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:49,520
you call it Ian Hardness and I 
were joking one day and we were 

2035
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:51,680
like, oh, let's call it a 
supermodel, you know, any 

2036
01:28:51,680 --> 01:28:53,920
whatever. 
So when we put it like through 

2037
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:56,160
the process, like of going 
through the model, like he 

2038
01:28:56,160 --> 01:28:59,880
graded out as being competent in
a lot of areas, but not great. 

2039
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:02,400
To your point, you know, Ben, 
and to what you were just saying

2040
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:05,040
Pat and any of them. 
So it's like that wide receiver 

2041
01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:07,880
one, upside's probably not there
for him, but like he could be a 

2042
01:29:07,880 --> 01:29:09,800
wide receiver two. 
And he's in an offense where I 

2043
01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:12,480
look around, I'm like, Jesus, 
like they have no one, right, 

2044
01:29:12,480 --> 01:29:14,320
NO1I. 
Do think he's a good football 

2045
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:16,040
player. 
So like, I mean, I think it's 

2046
01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:17,920
the way Pat put it. 
I completely agree with. 

2047
01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:19,480
Before we let you go, Dwayne, 
because I know you got to get 

2048
01:29:19,480 --> 01:29:22,320
going, I really wanted to ask 
you if you had any insight on 

2049
01:29:22,360 --> 01:29:24,040
Kamani Videl not playing this 
weekend. 

2050
01:29:24,040 --> 01:29:25,640
I know like Harbaugh's been 
really tight lipped, but that 

2051
01:29:25,640 --> 01:29:27,120
was the one I really want to get
your thoughts on. 

2052
01:29:27,240 --> 01:29:27,640
Do you? 
Do you? 

2053
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:29,640
What do you think about? 
That man, I can you know, I 

2054
01:29:29,640 --> 01:29:31,480
haven't been able to search 
anything new this morning 

2055
01:29:31,480 --> 01:29:32,960
because I've been so busy but 
last. 

2056
01:29:33,400 --> 01:29:35,240
There's been some depth chart 
projections that he was left 

2057
01:29:35,240 --> 01:29:36,360
off. 
Of well, I saw that. 

2058
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:38,560
I didn't see that. 
I saw that thing from The 

2059
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:40,160
Athletic. 
Saying does not seem bullish. 

2060
01:29:40,720 --> 01:29:42,240
Oh, no, that's fine. 
And he might not make the 

2061
01:29:42,240 --> 01:29:43,240
roster. 
Yeah, Yeah. 

2062
01:29:43,240 --> 01:29:46,240
I couldn't find anything because
I searched everywhere for like, 

2063
01:29:46,240 --> 01:29:48,160
10 minutes. 
Like it took too much of my time

2064
01:29:48,160 --> 01:29:50,320
when I had so much to do right 
yesterday. 

2065
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:52,920
And I'm searching everywhere. 
Why did Kamani Videl? 

2066
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:56,400
Because the word was like, he 
suited up for warmups, but then 

2067
01:29:56,400 --> 01:29:58,640
like, he didn't play. 
And they did the same thing, you

2068
01:29:58,640 --> 01:30:01,840
know, you know, with Mcconkey. 
But we knew that was probably 

2069
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:04,160
because, you know, he was kind 
of coming back from an injury. 

2070
01:30:04,160 --> 01:30:05,560
So I couldn't find anything on 
it. 

2071
01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:08,760
I don't like either of the other
two running backs in front of 

2072
01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:10,240
him. 
But I did see that depth chart 

2073
01:30:10,240 --> 01:30:13,240
blurb this morning. 
I can't remember which reporter 

2074
01:30:13,240 --> 01:30:16,160
that was from. 
If it's someone like we really. 

2075
01:30:16,280 --> 01:30:19,160
Daniel Popper had him not making
the team in his athletic run. 

2076
01:30:19,200 --> 01:30:21,880
He's pretty good so. 
Yeah, both Patterson and Isaiah 

2077
01:30:21,880 --> 01:30:23,640
Spill are over him. 
That's interesting. 

2078
01:30:23,880 --> 01:30:26,520
I just don't understand man. 
Did you guys give me a reason 

2079
01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:30,040
why a six round rookie, even if 
you're sure this early that you 

2080
01:30:30,040 --> 01:30:32,520
don't want to keep the six round
rookie, why you wouldn't have 

2081
01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:36,160
played the second-half of of 
Yeah, over Spiller Like I, I 

2082
01:30:36,160 --> 01:30:37,680
just, I can't imagine even if 
they were. 

2083
01:30:37,720 --> 01:30:40,720
There even if the usage. 
Suggests that Jared Patterson 

2084
01:30:40,720 --> 01:30:41,680
Spiller played in the first 
half. 

2085
01:30:41,680 --> 01:30:44,000
Why don't they give him some run
in the second-half at all just 

2086
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:46,720
to see what he looks like? 
He did miss some some days of 

2087
01:30:46,720 --> 01:30:48,440
practice. 
And so it's possible it's it's 

2088
01:30:48,440 --> 01:30:51,880
not fully healthy and maybe he's
on the roster bubble. 

2089
01:30:51,880 --> 01:30:54,120
They want to see what he 
actually looks like healthy. 

2090
01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:55,440
I don't know. 
Yeah. 

2091
01:30:55,520 --> 01:30:57,920
That's I don't see how Isaiah 
Spiller makes a roster. 

2092
01:30:59,040 --> 01:31:00,960
Maybe that's just personal like 
for me. 

2093
01:31:01,840 --> 01:31:04,640
Someone in the Spike Week 
discord tagged me like 2 months 

2094
01:31:04,640 --> 01:31:08,960
ago to note that Harbaugh tried 
to recruit Isaiah Spiller and 

2095
01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:13,400
that has that has made me. 
We're not hearing any buzz 

2096
01:31:13,400 --> 01:31:16,720
around him like out. 
Of the rap just laps in Pat's 

2097
01:31:16,720 --> 01:31:18,280
break. 
That's just yeah, rent free, 

2098
01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:19,680
rent free. 
Whoever tagged me. 

2099
01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:22,840
I don't remember who tagged me, 
but your information was. 

2100
01:31:22,840 --> 01:31:25,560
Profile OK, like coming out like
I thought it was decent. 

2101
01:31:25,880 --> 01:31:28,560
Yeah, Spiller was all right. 
Spiller was was seen. 

2102
01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:32,640
I remember like when when I was 
like catching up on the class 

2103
01:31:32,640 --> 01:31:35,480
before diving into like the 
stats and everything that 

2104
01:31:35,480 --> 01:31:37,120
Spiller, this is all pretty 
combined. 

2105
01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:39,360
I'm talking like January of that
incoming year. 

2106
01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:42,080
He was seen as like potentially 
in line with Breece. 

2107
01:31:42,240 --> 01:31:43,600
They were both these really 
young. 

2108
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:46,080
High second round picks. 
High second round picks, yeah, 

2109
01:31:46,080 --> 01:31:49,960
and then Spiller had a 
horrendous offseason process. 

2110
01:31:49,960 --> 01:31:51,880
Everything ever. 
One of the worst I've ever seen.

2111
01:31:51,880 --> 01:31:55,280
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
But like, there was a time where

2112
01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:58,240
we thought Spiller was like a 
legit prospect, so. 

2113
01:31:58,440 --> 01:32:01,440
Like, he was good as a freshman.
He was using the passing game. 

2114
01:32:01,440 --> 01:32:03,840
Like played in the SEC, played 
for a good program. 

2115
01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:05,600
Yeah, he checked a ton of good 
boxes. 

2116
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:08,960
Just didn't work out. 
Sorry to disappoint you with 

2117
01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:10,400
that one Ben. 
If you've got one more that you 

2118
01:32:10,400 --> 01:32:13,160
think you got that I might have 
done it before, I'd be able to 

2119
01:32:13,200 --> 01:32:16,200
try he. 
I took a lot of him and I mean a

2120
01:32:16,200 --> 01:32:17,680
lot of people really like that 
profile. 

2121
01:32:17,680 --> 01:32:19,720
I'm sure did. 
Did your model like him? 

2122
01:32:19,720 --> 01:32:21,680
I know like J JS model liked 
him, I'm sure yeah. 

2123
01:32:21,680 --> 01:32:24,560
I mean, he had a he's a good. 
I wasn't as high on him as JJ, 

2124
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:27,560
but I did like him. 
And then Thor Nystrom at Fantasy

2125
01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:30,320
Life loves him, you know, and 
Thor's a film grinder. 

2126
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:33,320
Matt Walden, who I talk with a 
lot, he's a film grinder. 

2127
01:32:33,320 --> 01:32:35,600
He, all the film guys love the 
doll. 

2128
01:32:35,720 --> 01:32:39,440
Like they all like him. 
He didn't read that well my 

2129
01:32:39,440 --> 01:32:41,680
stuff, but I was just like this 
situation. 

2130
01:32:41,680 --> 01:32:44,360
I mean, you're telling me other 
people like are into this guy 

2131
01:32:45,320 --> 01:32:46,640
Great, that's good enough for 
me. 

2132
01:32:47,520 --> 01:32:49,480
So I was I was actually taking a
decent amount of them. 

2133
01:32:49,880 --> 01:32:52,240
Edwards peripherals fell off a 
little bit and I'm really 

2134
01:32:52,240 --> 01:32:53,560
concerned about him losing 
Lamar. 

2135
01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:54,560
Like I think that's probably 
Boo. 

2136
01:32:54,560 --> 01:32:55,920
That's a big. 
Deal. 

2137
01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:59,280
For two down efficiency guy, 
losing Lamar seems like a big 

2138
01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:02,480
deal. 5 yards per carry is not 
going to be 3.8 like you can. 

2139
01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:04,400
Right, exactly. 
Immediately. 

2140
01:33:04,400 --> 01:33:06,240
And that's your whole game. 
Now they have a good offensive 

2141
01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:08,000
line. 
They are pretty loaded on the 

2142
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:09,600
offensive line. 
They've got a lot of draft 

2143
01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:12,360
capital loaded into the big boys
up front. 

2144
01:33:12,360 --> 01:33:14,920
So, but the teams are also going
to load the box on them. 

2145
01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:17,320
They're going to dare them. 
They're going to say Justin 

2146
01:33:17,320 --> 01:33:20,040
Herbert, let's see if your coach
will let you throw the ball or 

2147
01:33:20,040 --> 01:33:22,480
not. 
Yeah, we know you. 

2148
01:33:22,840 --> 01:33:25,760
Suck too. 
Well, that's exactly that's the 

2149
01:33:25,760 --> 01:33:28,320
problem. 
They don't even cover Johnston 

2150
01:33:28,440 --> 01:33:29,520
we. 
Know he. 

2151
01:33:29,760 --> 01:33:32,440
Can't let him run open. 
They quit. 

2152
01:33:32,440 --> 01:33:35,080
They treat Quinton Johnson like,
you know, the, the, the read 

2153
01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:36,400
option. 
You know, there's one person. 

2154
01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:38,720
They're just like, yeah, we're 
basically inviting you to do 

2155
01:33:38,720 --> 01:33:40,040
this. 
Like, we're going to make you 

2156
01:33:40,040 --> 01:33:42,360
throw the ball. 
Honestly, he needs to convert to

2157
01:33:42,360 --> 01:33:45,120
running back. 
That's how he gets on the field.

2158
01:33:46,360 --> 01:33:49,640
I'm serious, I'm not kidding. 
Convert to running back. 

2159
01:33:49,640 --> 01:33:51,760
Quinton Johnson play. 
It's quarter all, baby. 

2160
01:33:51,960 --> 01:33:54,280
It's our generation. 
It's the pad level on a six foot

2161
01:33:54,480 --> 01:33:56,880
5. 
Amazing. 

2162
01:33:58,320 --> 01:34:00,000
He was good after the catch in 
college. 

2163
01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:03,240
Like, I don't know, I saw the. 
Ball in his hands with the ball 

2164
01:34:03,280 --> 01:34:05,200
in his. 
Hands slant and like those thick

2165
01:34:05,200 --> 01:34:06,440
quads bands. 
Big. 

2166
01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:08,160
Quads. 
What's that like? 

2167
01:34:08,160 --> 01:34:10,960
Big ass is that? 
Do any positions have thick 

2168
01:34:10,960 --> 01:34:13,600
quads and big asses? 
Is that is that a? 

2169
01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:14,960
Tracy running. 
Max running. 

2170
01:34:15,240 --> 01:34:19,640
Max, his legs are way too long 
back, very long legs. 

2171
01:34:20,120 --> 01:34:22,280
Well, everything else isn't 
working for a receiver, so I'm 

2172
01:34:22,440 --> 01:34:24,800
not saying maybe, maybe give it 
a try. 

2173
01:34:26,360 --> 01:34:29,520
You get him on a wheel route, 
you know, and he can drop that 

2174
01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:31,600
instead of just lining up at 
receiver and dropping it. 

2175
01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:32,520
He. 
Can drop. 

2176
01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:38,600
It Jesus. 
Oh man, Dwayne, thanks for 

2177
01:34:38,600 --> 01:34:40,680
coming on man Tell. 
Yeah, man, I appreciate you 

2178
01:34:40,680 --> 01:34:42,920
guys. 
Love what you guys do, love what

2179
01:34:42,920 --> 01:34:46,560
you guys do for the community 
and you guys are always awesome 

2180
01:34:46,560 --> 01:34:48,200
at what you do. 
So pleasure to come on. 

2181
01:34:48,960 --> 01:34:50,240
Yeah, yeah. 
Tell everybody where they can 

2182
01:34:50,240 --> 01:34:52,080
see all your stuff. 
I mean obviously fantasy life, 

2183
01:34:52,080 --> 01:34:55,240
but like specific notes on on 
the stuff now when it in season 

2184
01:34:55,240 --> 01:34:56,680
and all that. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

2185
01:34:56,960 --> 01:34:58,800
So yeah, fantasy life. 
You know, guys, you just have 

2186
01:34:58,800 --> 01:35:01,720
heard of fantasy life.com. 
You'll see I've got all the the 

2187
01:35:01,720 --> 01:35:05,840
recap stuff up from this 
weekend's utilization for 

2188
01:35:05,840 --> 01:35:08,560
preseason, all that stuff. 
My film notes are kind of mixed 

2189
01:35:08,560 --> 01:35:10,920
in there along with all the data
so you guys can see that. 

2190
01:35:11,160 --> 01:35:13,600
We've also got utilization 
tools, Pat, I know that you've 

2191
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:16,080
used those, but you can go in. 
You can actually see all this 

2192
01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:18,320
kind of stuff we're talking 
about carries inside the five, 

2193
01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:21,200
you know, catchable target 
rates, all that stuff. 

2194
01:35:21,200 --> 01:35:23,240
We're also gonna have a 
utilization score this year 

2195
01:35:23,240 --> 01:35:24,640
that's being worked on in the 
back end. 

2196
01:35:24,640 --> 01:35:27,000
That's really just helping you 
understand like which players 

2197
01:35:27,120 --> 01:35:29,600
have the best role on the team. 
So let's say you're like Dwayne,

2198
01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:31,200
I'm not a dork. 
Like you don't have time to come

2199
01:35:31,200 --> 01:35:33,160
and look all these numbers. 
I just need one number for a 

2200
01:35:33,160 --> 01:35:35,320
running back and I need to know 
what's good, what's bad. 

2201
01:35:35,640 --> 01:35:37,480
So we're gonna have that. 
We're gonna have a couple of 

2202
01:35:37,480 --> 01:35:39,760
other things, but we've also got
obviously all the ranks, 

2203
01:35:39,760 --> 01:35:42,560
everything up over there. 
Once the season gets here, like 

2204
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:44,720
I'll have the utilization report
every week, my rankings, 

2205
01:35:44,720 --> 01:35:46,320
projections. 
That stuff's all up for the 

2206
01:35:46,320 --> 01:35:47,960
preseason too. 
You guys can go check it out. 

2207
01:35:47,960 --> 01:35:51,160
Fantasy life.com. 
Awesome, awesome. 

2208
01:35:51,760 --> 01:35:53,440
Thanks so much for coming on. 
We should. 

2209
01:35:53,440 --> 01:35:54,480
Yeah, man. 
Appreciate you guys down, all 

2210
01:35:54,520 --> 01:35:55,440
right. 
All right. 

2211
01:35:55,600 --> 01:35:57,200
I didn't know if there was more.
Slides or anything? 

2212
01:35:57,200 --> 01:35:57,760
No, there's not. 
OK. 

2213
01:35:58,640 --> 01:36:01,640
All right, See you guys. 
Appreciate it, Dwayne. 

2214
01:36:01,640 --> 01:36:04,120
Yeah, Ben, anything to tell the 
people about before we get out 

2215
01:36:04,120 --> 01:36:07,240
here? 
No stealing signals. 

2216
01:36:07,280 --> 01:36:08,200
I wrote a piece. 
Called. 

2217
01:36:08,200 --> 01:36:10,120
I think you do because it's mid 
August. 

2218
01:36:11,400 --> 01:36:15,480
I guess so you you're always 
helping me trying to pretty 

2219
01:36:15,480 --> 01:36:17,400
terrible at it. 
I wrote a no, you're right. 

2220
01:36:17,400 --> 01:36:20,240
I watched at least the 1st Dr. 
of every game and in a lot of 

2221
01:36:20,240 --> 01:36:23,720
cases multiple drives and wrote 
a pre season stealing signals 

2222
01:36:23,720 --> 01:36:26,320
piece for the subscribers. 
People seem to really like that.

2223
01:36:26,320 --> 01:36:29,760
Sean sent me a note said he 
really liked it already this 

2224
01:36:29,760 --> 01:36:31,800
morning, which was cool. 
I, I published that late last 

2225
01:36:31,800 --> 01:36:33,360
night. 
It's it's going to be less data 

2226
01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:35,960
heavy than Dwayne's. 
It's going to be more like this 

2227
01:36:35,960 --> 01:36:38,320
is what I thought guys looked 
like and I'm kind of in the case

2228
01:36:38,320 --> 01:36:41,240
that we're looking for talent 
that can, you know, rise to the 

2229
01:36:41,240 --> 01:36:42,960
top throughout the season. 
We're not just trying to, you 

2230
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:44,680
know, predict week one depth 
charts. 

2231
01:36:44,680 --> 01:36:45,880
That's not the whole game, 
right? 

2232
01:36:45,880 --> 01:36:49,040
Like we're also trying to think 
about the the chaos that will 

2233
01:36:49,040 --> 01:36:52,080
come in season and so a. 
Little bit more look to you 

2234
01:36:52,080 --> 01:36:55,400
because that that I keep hearing
he looked like ass and I didn't 

2235
01:36:55,400 --> 01:36:58,120
I didn't really. 
So he's one that I didn't have 

2236
01:36:58,120 --> 01:37:00,320
a, a real opinion on that. 
So I thought Dwayne's notes were

2237
01:37:00,320 --> 01:37:02,400
actually really interesting. 
I just thought that his usage 

2238
01:37:02,400 --> 01:37:03,960
was good. 
And I, I saw him, yeah, I, I 

2239
01:37:03,960 --> 01:37:06,920
didn't think he looked great, 
but he, I wrote that he caught a

2240
01:37:06,920 --> 01:37:08,400
quick swing pass in the second 
snap. 

2241
01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:10,440
Also got a carry from the 9 yard
line, played the whole drive. 

2242
01:37:10,640 --> 01:37:11,920
So I was like, yeah, the usage 
was good. 

2243
01:37:11,920 --> 01:37:14,240
And we didn't really get to see 
a lot. 

2244
01:37:14,240 --> 01:37:16,280
But I, when, when Dwayne was 
saying that, I was like, yeah, I

2245
01:37:16,280 --> 01:37:18,520
didn't really formulate an 
opinion on how he looked, which 

2246
01:37:18,600 --> 01:37:21,200
probably means that he didn't do
anything that was like, oh, 

2247
01:37:21,200 --> 01:37:22,520
there's some bursts, you know 
what I mean? 

2248
01:37:22,520 --> 01:37:26,760
Like, and I was just inclined to
be like, write it off as not his

2249
01:37:26,760 --> 01:37:29,080
fault because I'm like, so into 
Chase Brown. 

2250
01:37:29,440 --> 01:37:31,520
So that's why I actually, like, 
legitimately appreciated 

2251
01:37:31,520 --> 01:37:35,080
Dwayne's fought on that, where 
it's like, yeah, I need to chill

2252
01:37:35,080 --> 01:37:36,360
a little bit on Brown. 
Probably. 

2253
01:37:36,360 --> 01:37:38,440
I take him in like every draft 
that I can right now. 

2254
01:37:38,440 --> 01:37:42,120
But there's a possibility he's 
just not good enough, right? 

2255
01:37:42,120 --> 01:37:43,840
So yeah. 
There is that possibility for 

2256
01:37:43,840 --> 01:37:45,760
sure I thought. 
His notes were were really, 

2257
01:37:45,800 --> 01:37:49,520
really useful on, on him. 
But yeah, a lot of a lot of 

2258
01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:53,040
other backs that I, I did talk 
about from a from a skill 

2259
01:37:53,040 --> 01:37:54,680
perspective and all that stuff. 
So check that out. 

2260
01:37:55,680 --> 01:37:59,320
The ranks are always updated. 
I did an AMA at Reddit this 

2261
01:37:59,320 --> 01:38:02,840
morning, did about two hours of 
Q&A that that's all free and 

2262
01:38:02,840 --> 01:38:05,080
long, long answers and in depth 
stuff. 

2263
01:38:05,080 --> 01:38:08,120
I got asked about overhyped 
players and I listed like 

2264
01:38:08,120 --> 01:38:10,320
basically all the fades that I 
have this year. 

2265
01:38:10,600 --> 01:38:12,960
I got asked about sleepers and I
was just listening a bunch of 

2266
01:38:12,960 --> 01:38:15,360
the targets I have this year. 
I mean, basically just gave away

2267
01:38:15,360 --> 01:38:18,960
all the yeah, it sounds amazing.
So go ahead and go read that. 

2268
01:38:20,960 --> 01:38:23,640
A lot of strategy stuff. 
It was, it was a fun one. 

2269
01:38:23,640 --> 01:38:26,040
But yeah, that's, you know, all 
the other same stuff. 

2270
01:38:26,040 --> 01:38:32,720
Sean and I are doing round one 
and round 22025 ADP this week. 

2271
01:38:32,720 --> 01:38:34,000
We're going to record those 
tomorrow. 

2272
01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:36,000
So those are, I've been asked 
about that a lot. 

2273
01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:38,400
Those are coming this week. 
Awesome. 

2274
01:38:39,800 --> 01:38:43,920
I on Legendary Upside had a four
part article series that came 

2275
01:38:43,920 --> 01:38:45,760
out last week. 
Checked that out. 

2276
01:38:46,600 --> 01:38:49,800
We've got a article from Daniel 
Razz that came out Saturday 

2277
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:52,240
looking at the same part of the 
draft. 

2278
01:38:52,240 --> 01:38:54,360
So my article series was 
breaking down the profiles, the 

2279
01:38:54,360 --> 01:38:56,440
running backs going through 
round 7 and 10. 

2280
01:38:56,440 --> 01:38:59,160
A lot of those are free, like 
the first two in each part. 

2281
01:38:59,160 --> 01:39:02,120
So like 8 running back profiles 
are above the paywall. 

2282
01:39:02,120 --> 01:39:04,520
So check out, check out that 
even if you're not a subscriber.

2283
01:39:04,520 --> 01:39:07,080
It's only 10 bucks a month. 
I was going to raise the price 

2284
01:39:07,080 --> 01:39:10,000
and then I just didn't. 
So it's just 10 bucks. 

2285
01:39:10,040 --> 01:39:12,520
It's 10 bucks a month. 
So sign up, read, read all that.

2286
01:39:12,520 --> 01:39:16,920
Daniel Razz had an article 
looking at kind of three 

2287
01:39:16,920 --> 01:39:20,120
different paths of how to 
utilize the running back pricing

2288
01:39:20,120 --> 01:39:22,640
to build teams, which is just 
it's a really excellent piece. 

2289
01:39:23,240 --> 01:39:26,440
Stephanie Miller has an article 
coming out tomorrow on Dynasty 

2290
01:39:26,440 --> 01:39:28,840
auction draft, which is pretty 
interesting for for all the 

2291
01:39:28,840 --> 01:39:31,400
dynasty sickos out there. 
And then I have a bunch more 

2292
01:39:31,400 --> 01:39:34,200
content coming out of Legendary 
Upside as well. 

2293
01:39:35,280 --> 01:39:38,920
We have a question here. 
No Kylan Granson or MO Ali Cox 

2294
01:39:38,920 --> 01:39:41,120
talk. 
I pulled up the wrong comment. 

2295
01:39:42,520 --> 01:39:43,640
Where is it? 
Where to go? 

2296
01:39:43,720 --> 01:39:45,600
No, I don't know. 
I can't. 

2297
01:39:45,600 --> 01:39:47,720
Rusty Shackelford, it's at the 
top of the yeah. 

2298
01:39:47,920 --> 01:39:50,240
No, Kylie Granson. 
More like Hawks talk. 

2299
01:39:50,640 --> 01:39:52,840
Not this week, but Sam will be 
back. 

2300
01:39:52,840 --> 01:39:55,880
Don't worry. 
Sam will be back with his cults 

2301
01:39:55,880 --> 01:39:58,200
charts. 
Davis will be back next week. 

2302
01:39:59,880 --> 01:40:02,400
Yeah, but until then, thanks for
watching. 

2303
01:40:02,760 --> 01:40:05,480
We'll see you guys next time. 
And I'm supposed to play the 

2304
01:40:05,480 --> 01:40:07,120
outro, I think. 
Here it is.