All right, we've put it off long enough here on the channel.
It is time for us to collectively draft our first
team of the 2024 season and of course lay the groundwork for
finding our generation sky more. It's ship chasing.
Let's go Pat Fryer Helmov. This is why This is why I'm hot.
Anita hand job. It's your site Jamar and also
play chase. You can't handle the.
Heat it looks like we're. Finally, at this point, you're
right. Wow.
The chat is frothy for a draft
tonight. David already coming in hot.
He just wants Pat and I to put our hands up and let Gretch
take. Them to it.
I'm very open to it. Me too, actually.
But I'm not. I'm.
I'm closed off to it. I don't like this idea.
I was going to sit back and let you guys do it tonight.
I no, I'm taking this comment to heart.
I think it means we're overexposed if if if he's
already sick of seeing us draft. I mean that.
That means we've drafted. In March, man, it's not good.
What's funny is, Pat, have you done how many drafts on stream
have you done? It can't be that many.
I don't think I've done any big board drafts on stream.
Yeah, so you're just talking about me, David.
You want these guys to do. I've been doing plenty of
content. It's all just just
conversations, not not draft. Fucking beat guy.
There's so many streams. Good God.
Well, you know what David's probably referring to?
It's Pat's rankings are out there drafting for a lot of
people, and so he it is. That is a fun dynamic though,
where Pat gets to say he wants a guy that's not the top of the
queue in his rank so he can have that play out as well.
I was, yeah. Although you know what, It's
just a way for me to update the ranks.
That's all. OK.
That's right. I will say you like when I hear
you like on shows or even with us or when you're talking with
the legendary upside guys you're you're very fluid with like oh,
I'm gonna justice guy right now. Like you use that real time
feedback to inform your stuff. I do.
And I mean, I think there's, you know, an element here where we
want to be mixing it up and drafting different guys and not
just drafting the same team over and over and over.
So it's kind of like, as long as I'm consistently kind of just
like, even if it's just tinkering, like, good, You know
what I mean? Because we should be kind of
mixing up the bets in certain ways.
But also like, yeah, some of the stuff as we, as we learn more
information. I'm trying to bake it in right
away. I think that's a really good
point. I mean, I was talking to Andy
Saw in the club and he's been auto drafting big bores.
But one thing he knows, and he does from his experience doing
the dailies, is layering in some like light randomness to the
ranks as you do batches of auto drafts.
So you're not just getting the one guy.
The leg up ranks are four spots higher than ADP because you
don't want to show up with 45% of that guy.
That's not actually reflective of the confidence bet you're
making. So I think tinkering those makes
a ton of sense for people who are using them as gospel, right.
And I go through, I mean we update them every day and I I go
through and I will make changes where I'm just like yeah this is
these this is pretty flat and we've actually gotten a little
bit out of line with you know ADP on this player and kind of
move them up to reflect. I don't want the rankings to
reflect like a massive stands on players for an entire like pre
draft period for example, that we don't really have.
You know, like you shouldn't have any of, you know, I don't
know like Brandon IUK or something like that's not how we
feel. So if if the rankings were
giving you that we would, I would want to adjust that at
some point in the period. Yeah.
No Brandon IUK, that's just a Davis Matic draft strategy for
ideological reasons. Greg, you've been putting out
some good podcasts with Sean. I got to listen to the Marquis
Brown episode, haven't got a chance to listen to the Keenan 1
yet. Any other thoughts for you?
Kind of, as the free agency dust is fully settled.
No, we just, we we did a few last week and didn't get to all
the moves. So we wanted to hit on some of
those this week. I mean I'm super into like March
Madness. That's that's what I'm doing
today. Like you guys are already
talking about like layering and randomness on on like auto
drafting, best ball. I'm like are you guys checking
out the Texas, Colorado State game Like this is a ship cast,
right. We're going to watch along March
Madness. Like we're going to be talking
about how much do you guys get into March Madness?
I used to get really into it. I this year I'm pretty, I don't
know what's going on. I gotta.
I gotta tell you, I I used to be obsessed.
Scratch. I was telling Brick on Lulz
today. I had a period from like 1995 to
2005 where it was like my favorite sporting event of the
year. But I'm like such a
completionist that now because I don't get to spend much time on
it. Like just like picking and
choosing my spots doesn't have quite the same appeal to me.
For sure I've been that way with with it certain years.
But this year I got I got pretty into it.
So I'm super excited. I do me and some college buddies
have an eliminator pool that we've done for.
I got the thing open here. We have results in it. 2013 was
our first year so whatever. 11 years and and then another buddy
brought something that he learned from his he's in the Air
Force from his Air Force buddies.
It's called pick 6. And so you pick just six teams
and you get the points for each round that their seed is.
So for the for the first round like if they're a six seed.
Yeah so I took BYU in this they're a six seed.
If they they would have got six points in the first round and
then the second round they win that game they get 12 so they
get 6 * 2 goes all the way to potentially round six would be
the championship. So one seed all the way through
wins. Every game can only get to 21.
But like an 11 seed wins. Two games, they get 33, they get
11 and 22. So there's like it kind of
layers it in like. The That's goal.
Yeah, what bets do you want to make?
Like where? Who do you think's gonna make a
long run? Even just two good wins from a
double digit seed is a good number.
But obviously, I mean if you pick the champion, correct, If
you pick like a two seed during the champion, you could get 42
from. That like that can be 3 seeds. 3
seeds are pretty fun. 3 seeds 6:00 and 11:00.
Four seed. You imagine it was a five seed.
Oh. That's what happened last year.
I think Yukon was A5. No, they were.
They were a four and they played San Diego State.
San Diego State was a 5 like last year.
No, no top three seeds made the final four.
It was a 42 fives and in a like a nine.
So anyway, it was crazy for this particular type of bracket last
year, but not a good year to. To take NCAA teams high in Omni,
which I'm which I'm pretty sure I did in all the league.
Then and then there's Omni. So I got a lot of shit riding on
on NCA tournament. Lot of, lot of money, lot of,
lot of sticks in the fire. Yeah, actually, I'm gonna need
to go refresh my memory on what my Omni teams are.
I'm pretty sure I have an Arizona.
OK, well, that's a good one to have.
Yeah. All right, let's do it.
Let's draft. I'm going to hop in a big board
draft. Let's get the screen shared.
See if we can remember how to do this over here.
Wow, you guys were you guys were waiting.
Is there an overflow? I mean, that's snap filled.
Are you guys sitting on this influencer 102 here for us?
I don't know if I recognize a lot of these names, though.
I see Super Shorty got in here. Actually, there must be a big
overflow. All right, Gretch, is this your
first time seeing the draft app? Let the ADP's.
Well, I've looked at, I've gone to underdogfantasy.com and
looked at rankings to write like my target sprout run articles
and stuff I have not drafted. I don't really have context on
it. I I mean we talked about it a
little bit where I like, I realized in real time when we
were talking about Drake London, that like how high his overall
ADP was, even though he was still like wide.
He was like wide receiver 26 and his overall ADP was 36.
Which I see has actually risen a lot since Kirk Cousins been
here. But like, obviously I can do the
math and I'm like, oh, so these draft boards are just all
receivers in the early rounds. Like if you're wide receiver 26
and going 36 overall, then there's only 10 picks in the
first three rounds that are not receivers which is what it was
when I wrote it up and I couldn't believe that I was
shocked. It's.
Wild. I mean, it won't be like that in
the summer, you know? Yeah, I think it'll be maybe
closer to that than like last year.
But yeah, I mean, I think you'll see.
So like Josh Jacobs and stuff. Greg, where are you at?
Do you have a take on the on the 1/2 because?
I I think Tyree Kill should be the wide receiver one.
OK, pretty comfortably actually. He's been a lot better than CD
lamb. CD lamb like broke out last
year. Tyree kill was still way better.
I think if Tyree Kill didn't get hurt, he would easily be going
ahead of CD Lamb. Yeah, I will say I'm pretty sure
I got Tyriq at like 1/5 or 1/6 the other day.
Like you're starting to see some crazy stuff.
Like Bijon will now go two or three in a lot of these.
Obviously Jefferson is one of the fallers.
Lamb, though, rarely falls out of the top three, so that's
pretty unusual. I feel like to see Lamb at 1/4
in these, yeah. My general take on Tyreek versus
Lamb is that I want both. And so I've just generally been
live with ADP. But I do like I I would if you
had me make ADP, I would put Tyreek second as well.
That's what I'm saying. Yeah, I agree with you.
I want a draft. Lamb too.
He's like, his profile was fantastic last year.
He's progressed every year in a way that feels like a a legit
like Pat. We talked about this like years
ago, but like how yards per out run as a stat like you you you
don't typically see guys just like shoot up.
I remember you referencing Devonta Adams, how he had to
like build. He actually improved.
Yeah, he he didn't come out of nowhere.
He like, he was awful then. Like bad then like, OK then
good, then amazing. And Land was never amazing or I
mean never awful. But he has like steadily
improved in a way that you're like, yeah, he's just getting
better every year. And he just had like a kind of a
breakout year in 2022 and then an even bigger step forward in
like everything in 2023. He does even more per route.
He's even more efficient. Everything's like, yeah, this
guy's like, in his profile was that coming out of college and
he could be a superstar. So I mean, he he's legit.
I'm not trying to dog him. But Tyree Kill, Like, I honestly
think if he wasn't inactive, so he missed like a good chunk of
the game. He got hurt in and then inactive
the next game and was like, kind of playing hurt the last couple
games. And I mean, still, like, I know
he's older, but he's also a freak dude, that was like a high
ankle sprain and he barely missed any time.
Like, he might be one of the biggest like this.
How can this guy play through stuff, you know?
Some dudes are just, like physical freaks, you know?
Like, I'm actually like kind of feel like Tyree Kill is like,
less of an injury risk. After I saw that last year,
'cause that high ankle sprain seemed bad.
He missed one game and he was just like back the next week.
He was, he played through it in that game.
He came back into that game, It was like, oh, this dude's out
for the year. Yeah, yeah, he's like super
flexible or whatever. So anyway, and his, his targets,
Prout run and his, his efficiency, all that stuff is
just so absurd. It's it's absolutely
astronomically absurd. It's like way above everyone
else. So yeah, it's it's actually like
insane like you when you look at like yards per route run, if a
guy is in the high twos, that's like ultra elite, you know, kind
of Justin Jefferson sort of stuff.
Tyreek's been at 3.07 and 3.72 the last two years.
That's fucking nuts. It's insane.
I wrote that up as whatever 3.72 / 3 point or or one point,
whatever it is 1.86 or something.
I was like, that's two 1.86 seasons, which is a good season.
Yeah, those are like solid, maybe not elite.
Like that's like a DK Metcalf year, right?
He had a DK Metcalf year and then another one on the same
number of routes. He packed it into the same
number of routes. How?
Do you It's a little maybe a little shade to DK who was at
2.04 last year, 1.93 before that.
So it's a little it's a little it's it's a not quite DK Metcalf
here but almost so some of that we're about to pick in the
second round one of the big drops you have in the leg up
rankings is dropping DJ Moore down about 10 picks.
ADP why is it still more Allen Diggs your ranks Diggs Allen we
got our guy Rashi Rice up here a lave Dell.
You guys have anything you like. I like playing for the Diggs
Allen. That's one of the reasons why
Diggs is has moved up because you can do that move otherwise
we can go this is a flat spot, so if you guys like any of the
receivers. I really like Rashi, but I could
do the Diggs Allen thing. I mean, Rashi's been the dude
that I've been talking up on all the all the stuff.
And you mentioned the The Hollywood Show with Sean.
I I think I went for like 15 minutes straight talking about
Rashi Rice on that podcast. I was like, Sean, you gotta stop
me, man. You gotta you gotta cut in.
And then we're back on the clock.
DJ more Olave goes. I've been taking a ton of Tank
Dell in this range. Also like Waddle, for some
reason I just can't bring myself to click digs here.
But I'm. I'm open to whatever.
Yeah, I'm down with tank. You like tank crutch?
I don't love him here, but I'm. I'm down with him.
Do you like Waddle? No.
Let's take Tank. Let's take Tank.
You guys both you guys both like it.
I'm. I'm good with it.
I think another receiver is the obvious pick.
Bottle would have been fine. Tiggs would have been fine but
Tank's fine too. I'm I'm trying to come around on
Tank. I I guess I'm like I'm mildly
concerned they might add to the position in the draft and that
part of the reason they were so good both Tank and Nico was the
lack of competition. Dalton Schultz is not a target
earner and like Noah Brown had like career highs per route like
target earning. Like when that's Robert Woods
was horrible. He was horrible in 2022 and he
got even worse in 2023. His yards.
Pryor runs like .9. We were just talking about 1.8.
So Tiger kill was 4. Robert Woods's he was.
He wasn't just double, you know one 1.8.
That actually doesn't seem like enough.
It kind of doesn't. But Robert Woods was and he ran
400 plus routes. Those routes are gonna get
replaced by somebody better than what Robert Woods gave you last
year. Brown was hurt, right?
And Dell was hurt. So I think Brown and Brown's
resigned. I think they probably draft
someone, but I don't know how early they take someone.
Like they could be a third round pick.
You know, it's a deep class for sure, but it's not.
It's the first round guys who I'd be worried about if I'm
invested in Tank Dell. I think Tank Dell, given what he
showed last year, can keep himself well out ahead of some
of these guys who might go like later round two or round three.
But do you think part of what he showed last year is, I mean,
more than just a small part? Is Stroud obviously a good
chunk? I mean, so it's like if they add
somebody. But it's sort of like rice, like
rice like he. So they have like identical
yards per outrun. Like 2.21 for Rice, 2.22 for
Dell. Dell.
I mean to me, like if you just zoom out to the macro, rookie
wide receiver comes in, has two plus yards for outrun great
quarterback play. I'm in, like I am in and I don't
think that someone's going like everyone else around the
organization knows that as well. Now he has to come back from the
injury. The reports on that have been
pretty positive, so I'm expecting that that won't be a
problem. I guess, you know, we should
factor that into a degree. But yeah, I think it's probably
him and Nico and then, you know, if they draft someone, Noah
Brown's routes are, are really where where you would start.
Right. And and again that Robert Woods
had 400 and and 17 routes, he was third on the team in routes
behind Schultz and and Nico. He was basically right with Nico
in terms of like overall routes, so.
That's crazy. Yeah, he ran a ton of routes
poorly. So, like, that's where I think
the competition has to rise. It's not like Jon Mechi ran 172
routes, Noah Brown ran 293, he was about 300 and his numbers
were high. Like he also saw an elevation
from the fact that he. Was almost at 2 yards per route
run. Noah Brown It's just like 1.9
something. A lot of his routes were after
Tank went down and it was like, OK, you got Nico and no one
else, you know, like, so I I just think like anybody.
Could I remember Noah Brown having spike weeks early in the
season cause 'cause it was like confounding for DFS purposes?
He did, Yeah. He had.
He had a couple splashes. You're right.
He had the massive game the week with the box where they all went
off too. Yeah, he went back-to-back 250
yard games in a row, just looked it up.
And that was before Tank's injury.
I think you're right actually. Yeah, it was Week 9 and 10.
Yeah. Tank out her Week 13.
Yeah, it was weird. I mean, and that.
I mean like are saying none of this is Stroud.
Like Noah Brown, dude, it's that's Stroud.
That's 100%. Right, Yeah.
Because how she goes, I was going to see if we could, we
could maybe have done the Mahomes double stack.
There, but that. Dream is dead.
We could still push Mahomes to five two if we want.
James Cook Zay, Rome. You want to get your first Rome
share, Gretch. Yeah, I do.
Let's do it. If if Pat's saying let's do it,
then hell yeah, I want to take Rome in my first draft.
The other guy that pops on the screen for me is Train McBride.
Yes, who who I think should be, I think should should maybe be
the tight end one. I mean, I'm pretty high on on
and when I did the Target Sprout Run stuff, I came out really
high on him. I love that take.
One other thing in this dovetails.
I just put out a video on my channel Big Board Strategy Tips,
and one that Jacob mentioned that I've been trying to do in
my draft too, is to take advantage of how deep this
rookie wide receiver class is. Like take a detour away from
wide receiver in round four or five or six because we're going
to want to spend some mid round picks on wide receiver.
So like, I think I I said in my video, like I have Andrews and
McBride on over 60% of my team so far because like, I love
getting this tight end detour here and McBride is just such a
smash. He should not be going.
I mean it's only five O 2 but fifth round that seems.
I mean, to me, Andrews in the fifth round is absurd.
He's the number, He's the number one receiver on Baltimore.
Still, in my opinion, and has been.
I'm always a little nervous about tight ends who showed it
in a season or half a season like McBride did, because we've
been fooled so many times, you know, by the the next big thing
at tight end. So, like, to me, I take Andrews
over McBride pretty comfortably 'cause he's fucking Andrews, you
know what I mean? He's he's like 29.
He's his. 2023 is pretty interesting.
From writing it up, his targets per out run fell substantially.
His slot rate spiked. He'd been between 62 and 67%.
Four years in a row was up over 80%.
So I mean, not a massive amount, but he's only in line 9.9%.
He had been in line over 20%. So like the the mix with the
with the coordinator change, right.
The mix was different. He was in the slot more earning
targets at a lower rate per route which is partially just
having Zay flowers on the roster and better receivers and Odell
Beckham there and stuff. His A dot felt a ton.
It's always been double digits every year of his career.
It was down to 8.2 that. Is a little bit of a concern for
sure all of. Those things were a little bit
different for him in 2023. Obviously got hurt and so we
don't have like a total huge sample, but it's at his.
His efficiency was still good. He's always been an efficiency
step. 1.93 years per outrun he isn't.
That. Far below like he was 1.97.
It's below his career year of. I mean, well, his career year
was 2.68, but even three years ago he's at 2.18, which is you
know, that's a decent drop off, but still pretty damn good,
especially for a tight end. Right.
So there's at least mild concern with him.
To your point about there also being some mild concern with
McBride, that's why I'm still McBride over him, but I like him
in this range too for. Sure.
My like, zoomed out view of tight end is like there's like
three or four guys in the whole league who can be like true
difference makers of the position.
And like if you give me one of the guys who has been a
difference maker for multiple seasons, I'm going to bet on
that guy. Sure like I'm still taking a lot
of Kelsey and I would like he could get but like he you're
getting fourth round Kelsey it's crazy and the thing I can't
shake about that pat too about like the the league winning
difference making tight end. We used to have to pay AA23 turn
pick for that. That was the Waller kittle year
you know two years ago where it's like that's what we were
aiming for. Give me a couple spike weeks at
the right time. Have that ceiling and it's like
now you can get that in the 4th, 5th.
It's huge. Dalton Kincaid is not that yet.
So I think McBride showed enough.
He had a 25.9% targets per route.
I mean he was he was a monster in in that Pitts would would
actually qualify for me as well. Again, I don't know the ADP.
So as these Titans are going off I'm wondering where this breaks.
But those four that we already saw go should not be going as
low as they are. They're awesome values.
I also got I would take Kittle here and just bully it.
I I've done it with the double tap cause Kittle's off in here
too. He.
Fits in that group too, for me. I'm with you guys.
Let's just do it. I don't mind it either because I
man, I do not like much at tight end mid to late in these.
So like locking up too and just being done with it has always
felt good. What are we gonna do?
One of my last guys that I even want to consider like I hate
having to go figure it out late. It's bad.
What do you guys want? Like is this isn't really a a
good QB range? Do do you have the running backs
that you consider at this point or is it those receivers that
are not? The only the only quarterback
thing is if you really want Kyler, he's not coming back.
ADP of 86, we pick at 95. I think that makes sense.
OK. That would be my only thought
unless we like one of these running backs.
I mean, I like David Montgomery's like a safe play
for A0RB. Let's.
That's fine. Let's do.
Let's do.
Yeah, yeah, I I did you just see when you went back to the the
the grid view, did you see Team 11, do you see?
A lot of this. No this is the chat has been
going crazy about this for the audio listeners here Team 11
vomiting green like we haven't seen in a long time.
Can your Gibbs, Barkley, Etienne Rashad White Kenneth Walker.
I thought we had to throw up the X situation here but pop the
wide receiver cherry at pick 62. Finally took Calvin Ridley
there. But I can't wait for all these
running backs to have a good season in this in this team to
finish fourth. Yeah, shout out to user W
cocaine. Cocaine.
I should mention spelled K or C OK ANE our.
Team His name's West Cocaine and he's just railing running backs.
Yes, it all fits. It sounds like a little kid
saying you should do less. Cocaine.
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Rashi, Rice Take Dell Roma Dunes A Then we cranked a little
purple here, Trey McBride, George Kittle, and quarterback
Ella Murray to stack with McBride.
But I I actually did. It's funny, 'cause I'm gonna
say, like, I think this is unique, even though I I did this
on the stream on Wednesday with the Badge Bros where we did
McBride Kyler here. But because Kyler's ADP is on
the complete opposite side of the board, I actually think that
there's not gonna be quite as many McBride Kyler stack
pairings as you might otherwise. Think.
'Cause they're just not correlated, it feels weird to
reach over Burrow and DAC for Kyler.
Yeah, but like. Yeah, that did feel weird my
first draft and I didn't feel comfortable taking him over.
I was like Kyler over Joe Burrow.
Seems weird. It does feel weird, but it's a
seventh round so it's not that big of a deal.
No, it's not. And like, he could have more
upside than Burrow. Like, it's that's not really
that crazy. Well, especially if McBride has
the year we need. Right with his brushing like
Kyler's, definitely he's not dead.
We also we did crank purple, so we do have to credit Crack Rock
for coming up with cranking. Purple.
Crack Rock does demand credit for anything he invented.
Like. McCarthy going to the Vikings,
so make sure you guys are giving crack rock his flight.
Thinking of West cocaine and crack rock are our two favorite
do. You think when the Vikings trade
up for JJ McCarthy and select him at #5 that they're going to
have to credit Crack Rock for that move?
I think they might as well just put a 400 meter track around Mar
A Lago for the victory laps that crack rock.
Is crack rock's gonna be D emming us like to come on the
draft stream for sure so he can so he can celebrate well.
The whole cranking purple thing has really come full circle
'cause now he's talking about cranking purple in relation to
like Vike, the Vikings, West cocaine, then double taps.
Two quarterbacks. Hard to get any stacks in.
We only have one wide receiver, but Jordan?
Love Brock Purdy there? All right, we're better.
I don't really understand it at the end, so the topic.
Not my preferred way of doing it.
And the top of Pat's ranks are is Naji Harris.
Here, there's Eckler, Javante. They're gonna run the ball, man.
They're gonna. Run the ball.
Gretch, what do you like? Not Don't ask.
Him when he likes, I don't like. Yeah, that was the wrong
question. Well, that you gotta, you gotta
just run the clock down until Naji Harris gets auto picked.
You can't even put him in the queue.
I grabbed 2 at the last second to stop.
I thought we were kicking. I'm kicking the can down the
road, that's fine. Yeah, that's fine.
I thought we were going. I I mean, I was saying that I
thought Naji really did make sense at this point in A0RB
build in the end of the eighth round.
Well, there you go. I will also say 80 and Xavier
aren't coming back. So if you want one of those
guys, this is also the chance to take them.
What? What are the running backs that
we're looking at now that he went, Yeah, I would probably do
Javon here. Yeah, I could do Javonte.
We're in decent shape at receiver.
He's a pretty nice running back one.
OK. Yeah, I'm good for sure.
This is a good price on him, too.
I'm curious like what are your guys's takes on Javonta?
I've I've struggled with him. It was like part of the thesis
played out last year. He got the workload and then
just didn't seem to have the efficiency that got us all
excited in the 1st place. He didn't and I think Jalil
McLaughlin it it. McLaughlin is pretty
interesting. They're probably gonna have a
committee. They don't have a quarterback,
but I think they probably end up getting like a Bow Necks or
something and they run the ball a fair amount and you know, it's
gonna be a fairly well designed offense.
So to get Javonte Williams at like you know what we were
paying for Brian Robinson last year, I mean the bar is not high
for what he has to do at that price to to be a value pick, so.
He he was coming back from the multi ligament knee terror which
we knew and Peyton stuck with him and I think that's a key.
He's still young back. They threw to him a ton.
They like they gave him the most routes and and then also they
they built the offense exactly like the old Saints offense with
Drew Brees where it's like we're going through the backs.
Javonte's targets per out run, which isn't a great running back
stat, but they were absurd. It was like over 30%.
It's probably the highest for any running back.
He even even like P Rein was the next highest on the team and he
was like 24%. None of the receivers were over
20%. The two running backs were like
way, way up there. You you have to expect that
they're still going to throw to the backs a good amount.
And the fact that Javonte got a lot of routes and then also was
even higher than like P Ryan, it was like they were intentionally
trying to get him the ball in space in a passing game a lot.
I just, I think the usage is interesting, even if the
efficiency wasn't there, that there's still like a chance that
the second you're removed from the injury, the efficiency comes
back, but that the usage we can kind of be comfortable that
Peyton was like interested in in him.
You know what I mean? Yeah.
Yeah, and I mean like, look, if he was going in the sixth round,
I'd be like, what are we doing? But the.
But the ninth round is just so different.
You know what you need. He is a guy too.
This is, this doesn't pertain to this contest, but I think after
the draft he's an easy candidate to get pushed down further
because of the running backs. Like he's kind of the amorphous
dude, you know, the the Trey Benson's and the Jonathan Brooks
that hit the nut landing spot like they're flipping him in an
instant. So I wouldn't be surprised to
see him, you know, round, round and a half later.
But that doesn't change where he's going in here.
But I mean, that would be like if you're getting 10th, 11th
round Javonte Williams, the pretty clear 1A back on the
Broncos, I mean. You want to be in on that.
That's yeah, that's kind of crazy like that.
It's like Javonte Williams or Zach Moss.
Like, give me Javonte Williams. Was Amir White like Javonte
Williams? He's still only 23.
He's one of those guys that came in at 21.
He's played three years. He turns 24 next month, to be
fair, but it'll be his age, 24 season.
It's not like he's super old and again, like, you know, had the
really bad knee injury in 2022, played through it last year and
stayed healthy. Hopefully he can build up his,
like, leg muscles better this offseason, 'cause his ligament
isn't intact, you know what I mean?
Like, that's why I think part of the Year 2 stuff is like, he can
work out harder this offseason. You know and the multi ligament
thing, like you know at the time it was like this is a bigger
deal than like the Breeze Hall injury, like it was a multi
ligament tear. Like we should expect him to be
coming back slower and then he comes back slower and it's like,
I'm so excited to be wrong, I said.
There's no way Xavier Worthy makes it back and he does.
Gretch, can I entice you on this?
Especially have you seen the photos of Mike McDaniel with
Xavier Worthy? You know, we got the tua.
All of a sudden, he's. Fast.
McDaniel likes speed, so I keep taking.
Rookies, right. I love Jonathan Brooks here.
Anything else? The question.
I guess we're just gonna, we're gonna end up feeling, I think, a
little bit weak at running back because he's not gonna give us
much in the early season. But I still think we'd do it.
And we just, you know, find like we're gonna have to get a Gus
Edwards or something. You know what I mean with that.
Type of guy, yeah. That's fine and we don't.
Have How early does Raheem Mostert go?
He he's like he goes around the the Conner range, usually 93.
Yeah, I think that's a low key spot for a back to land or I
don't know if it's low key. I haven't listened to a lot of
draft stuff, but don't you feel like they could try to pair
someone with a Chan and kind of like move on from Ostered a
little bit? Yeah, I think they could.
It's just it's just not really that great of a running back
class, so. Yeah, you know.
The so our squad here, we got Kyler into a Kyler stacked with
Reek or sorry two stacked with Reek.
Kyler stacked with McBride. We got 2 running backs, Javonte,
Jeremy Brooks. Along with Reek we have Rashi
Rice, Tank del Rome adunes, Xavier Worthy at 1:19 and then
George Kittle also at tight end so we we don't have to force
anything else with QB and Ted. Except yeah, with QB and Ted.
And we do have to force short King Summer with Greg Dortch.
Short King Spring. That's right, the Yeah, the
Let's see. So W Cocaine did feather in one
other wide receiver, Courtland Sutton, but then grabbed his
third QB Trevor Lawrence. Super Shorty wants us to check
out her team here. He's got Anthony Richardson to
Josh Downstack, Jared Goff to a Monroe in Laporta stack.
Very nice, by the way. Shout out to Super Shorty if if
you guys haven't checked out the article she wrote on Rishi Rice.
I highly recommend that. Yeah, very nice.
And that's that's a free piece, right?
Anyone can check that one out on like that one's completely free
and she she couldn't. Who?
Who came up with the title? Let me know how the sausage got
made. God damn it stuff.
I think I might have tweaked it. But you didn't like the pun.
No, it just it it hurts. It's it's you.
Know. Yeah.
Any reference to Sky More? It's the sickest fucking fucking
name ever. No, it's just a no.
Yeah, the punchline. That was her.
Fucking name the biggest fucking flop.
I just pulled up Arizona's depth chart and they have Chris Moore
over at our Lads. They have Chris Moore listed as
a starter, a free agent Edition starter.
Michael Wilson, Chris Moore and Greg Dorch are the starting
receivers. Wow.
I'm honestly not opposed to handcooking.
I don't mind handcooking at all, at all at all, 'cause it's not
even a handcuff. It's a They're both.
Chandler's a good play too, right?
I'm I'm fine. I'm fine with either of them.
I do think we should probably take a wide receiver with one of
the other picks. Let's grab Jaleel we or we can.
We can do both Jaleel and tie. If better doesn't take, I'm fine
with that too. I'm fine with going receiver.
I don't. I don't have strong opinions
here. I just not like behind Aaron
Jones like Todd Chandler's a pretty solid like 0 RB Ish 12.
13 There he goes. OK, build wise I was.
I think Chandler fit better, yeah.
I was kind of thinking that dude like he's gonna have a role.
Aaron Jones is gonna get 300 touches.
I I also. Don't mind some of these other
rookies. I mean, I've been taking Lloyd
and Braylon. Allen.
Yeah, I'm good with you there. I'm good.
I, I, I open for whatever, whatever you like.
Roman Wilson's also pretty pretty nice.
If you want that receiver, let's let's just grab Marshawn Lloyd
here. I.
Literally don't know anything about these.
I I haven't looked at him at all.
Much on Lloyd's like kind of a like he he runs like, he runs
like he's panicked, you know, like he's like I gotta get out
of here, you know? And he's he doesn't.
I don't think he's like super structured.
You know what I mean? He's not.
I don't. I'm a little bit worried that,
like, coaches aren't going to, like, love this.
Guy. I mean, we got to pull up clips,
right? Like, this has to be the the
show where we start pulling up clips.
Now I want to see him running like he's panicked.
I have to see this. I'm I'm pulling it up myself.
Also, I had to shout out this, this, this tweet here from Jeff
before we went live. You're watching March Madness.
I'm staring at the title screen waiting for this stream to
start. We are not.
That's fantastic. Somewhat this tweet Marshawn
Lloyd just moves with so much urgency.
That's the the polite way to put what Pat just said.
People see it. So is he the is he the heir to
the Isaiah Pacheco? This guy runs like Mad Lib.
I think he might be, yeah. He's kind of in the Jalen Wright
mold of like, they're both sort of like kind of Speedy did well
at the combine, probably like committee explosion back types,
yeah. But like, is it?
I'm watching his highlights. Is it just like ultimately too
much dancing behind the line of scrimmage for the next level?
Yeah, it might be like a hole. It might be.
That's what I'm saying. I don't know that he's gonna
impress coaches. That's my concern.
He crushed the combine like his Ras score was awesome.
But yeah, he's sort of the opposite of Blake Korum.
Like Blake Quorums does do. All the stuff you're supposed to
do goes. Straight into the hole, he.
Goes straight into the hole. He's not super explosive though,
so generally the quorums win that you know of the of the two,
you know, cohorts, you almost always want to bet on the
quorums there. But Lloyd is fun.
We are up to 4 running backs, Javante, a couple of or.
We got the Denver backfield and two rookies, Javante Jalil,
Jonathan Brooks and Marshawn Lloyd.
He's explosive. He's very explosive, yeah.
When he, when he does find a hole he likes, gets going, he's
a he's a big dude that can move fast.
I mean, he's not. You know, it is a little it's a
little Kendray Miller esque. There you go.
I like that. I was kind of hoping like
Michael Wilson would come back for more of our Kyler stack.
Well, we're up. Yeah, we are up this, this
draft. I take a lot of Elijah,
Mitchell, Kahlu. Herbert's also somewhat
interesting. Running back does really start
to get wiped. Yeah.
I think in our shoes we need to make sure we get at least one
one running back here. Do you have any running backs
you like here, Gretch? None stand out.
I'm comfortable with Mitchell. I mean, I guess, like this is,
this is light enough. I guess.
I'm afraid that Kyle Shannon's just gonna always draft more
running backs, you know? But.
It it's also just tough, like with our build, like we were
saying, like there's not a lot of guaranteed touches at this
point of the draft. Right.
Is there anything that feels that way?
Wait, what's Miles Sanders contract situation is he like?
He's he's gonna be the clear number two.
I think I I was taking a bunch of him earlier.
I think Dowdle is the other dude who.
Like will have a role, He will have a role, yeah.
Yeah, and we kind of need that. Yeah, let's do that.
They're gonna bring in a rookie or something.
They're not gonna. That's not gonna be a a clear
monster workhorse 'cause there's no one in this class that
defines that way, right? Right they.
Really. They did it with Pollard, Like
they like to promote their in house.
Guys that do well, like he's gonna have a role.
Even Jonathan Brooks is kind of like a a, a really awesome 1A,
like an Aaron Jonesy type of dude.
I don't think he's, like, gonna be a true workhorse back.
Endowed was like, fine last year.
He was better than I thought. He would look as like a player
from what you know, you'd expect from a guy who was 25 and hasn't
barely played any offense. He had seven.
Quick touches. We could think the the Cowboys
backfield with Jonathan Brooks and Rico down.
Oh, I did. I forgot about that.
That would be nice. It would.
It would suck though if then if Denver and Dallas got the same
bye and you're like, oh cool 044 running backs around.
This because our hero W cocaine really kind of starved the beast
at quarterback. There was also a team out of the
three hole that went Cousins, Daniels, Rogers, back-to-back.
I do feel good about getting out ahead of quarterback in this
draft. I guess a pretty good value on
on Drake May. Pat I know you had your recent
piece up about him. I know you think this is a smash
at Yeah I think I might. Let me see I'm I'm close to 50%
Drake May in in the big board. I assume you're rocking him in
both two QB and three QB builds depending on who the 1st is.
Yeah I've I've got 43% Drake May.
It's it's not like this dude has he's real.
He's mobile. He had like Justin Fields level
rushing and you know he's not gonna be Justin.
Justin Fields took it to the next level at the NFL but he was
very mobile in college. He's got a big arm.
He's aggressive downfield. The negatives are stuff like
he's just trying to out make too many plays and play hero ball.
Fuck yeah that sounds awesome Like that's that's how fantasy
points have scored. Like I'm.
And they're not gonna bench him for doing that.
They're not gonna bench. Him.
Yeah, so, like, he's, he's gonna get drafted probably to the
Patriots, which is annoying, 'cause it, you know, they don't
have any weapons, obviously. But like, he's gonna start, he's
gonna score fancy points because he's mobile in addition to
having a big arm. So we're, I mean, he just
shouldn't come at a major discount to Jaden Daniels, who I
think he's a much better prospect then.
And he does. Yeah.
And I like Daniel. Like I think Daniels is someone
we should be mixing in as well. But if you're gonna give me that
kind of discount, I'm just gonna end up with a ton of meh.
You just said he's likely to go to New England.
That's the fairly strong consensus now that Daniels is
gonna go to. That seems to be the consensus,
yeah. Interesting.
Is that all because of the Mariota signing?
I know right after Mariota signed it was like, oh, because
he's a similar style as a backup, then it probably means
Daniels. But there's gotta be other stuff
going on that are leading people all that, right?
I don't know. It's just I kind of just like
following the market on on this and all the odds have shifted.
So it's like Daniels is a favorite now.
So I guess he's the favorite. You know, yeah, that makes
sense. We're on the clock.
I'm turning to Gretch because I do.
I've got Jalen McMillan fever these days.
OK. I don't even love Jalen
McMillan, but we could take him. I mean, he he could be all
right. I don't think he's going to be a
great NFL player, personally. But.
We need to take some upside stabs here We're at We're at 6
running backs, 6 wide receivers. We got to 6 running backs.
Holy shit. Yeah, we we cranked.
We had six straight. In a row we.
Needed to, but I I feel good. Is there another wide receiver,
Jermaine Burton if, I mean obviously nobody has some appeal
but and we have tanked else. We're already betting on
Houston, but they could add some.
On Marcus Robinson is on the chart right now.
What? The hell yeah, Jermaine Burton.
I think if we if we want a pure upside crack, he's a deep
threat. I mean, you could.
Go second round. There's not a number of rookies.
That is too many for us is what we're learning and I'm very
comfortable with it. I freaking our our receiver room
is Tyriq 2 year. Two guys that need that didn't
run full route shares in year one like need to actually put
together a full season and four rookies.
We're right back. We we're where we need to be
guys. We are in great position.
I do feel like it's a decent if you're.
I mean, I do this regardless of my construction to be honest,
but not all the time. But I I'll this isn't only
because of this construction, but if you're doing bully tight
end, you're probably gonna get some flex weeks out of that
second tight end. And so it makes it a little less
painful that, you know, Jermaine Burton's probably not scored
that many points in Week 3. Yeah, all we need is Tray
McBride and George Kittle to both Smash for the first month
and we're in a great position. We are here.
West Cocaine did take a four. W Cocaine is a fascinating
individual because he they also took Jalen Polk and Malachi
Corley and then came back and hit Derek Carr as the QB Four.
Wait. Is that the QB 4?
I can't think of a less interesting QB 4.
Derek Carr, Why? It is just like fucking oozing
with just alpha. I know, balling Ness.
I mean, it was just incredible. And Dalton Schultz, he heard
about, I think, I think. Wes, are you watching?
I think he heard Pat say Dalton. Dalton Schultz is the last tight
end I feel comfortable with, and he's like you're supposed to
have one before Dalton. By the way, Pete, it's and we we
do this every year with the rookies that we don't know.
But I can help on the UW players, it's Jalen Polk, not
Jalen Polk. OK.
Jalen, It's Jalen McMillan and Jalen Polk.
They have two Jalen pronunciations.
Yeah, spelled very differently. Do you prefer Polk?
Polk. I always liked Polk.
Yeah. I always like Polk better,
especially this past season in in college.
He's a bigger receiver, more of like a contested catch guy.
Macmillan's more of a smaller but good route runner and tested
so well. Like, I mean, Macmillan's sort
of in like, the Will Fuller mold in terms of a player in
including the drops that everyone hated from Will Fuller.
Like Macmillan Will drop passes and it'll annoy the shit out of
you. But yeah, I mean, I could see
him being good in a way that I'm just not really like.
He's a good route runner and he's fast and if he's in a good
system. But there's not a really strong
reason why he couldn't do some of the stuff that Tink Dell did
last year if he's in the right system, like Tink Dell was, you
know, Yeah, I don't relate it. I mean, I don't.
Jon, Jon wanted you to sum sum up.
I would say unreliable, unreliable, but I mean he's
still like very athletic and and flashy and good, but like then
the word is unreliable. Drops was hurt a lot last year.
This is. I guess this isn't a good time
to show you where is in my mentions here Davis 'cause I
joked we're going to try to figure out who our next clip is
going to be and Davis said mark my words, Jalen McMillan
highlight clip by August 3rd. He he was trying to call it into
existence but it it doesn't sound like we're getting there.
If these these are Gretcha's sense pretty off on Malachi
Corley. I haven't been able to.
That's what I told him. I said, how many guesses are you
giving yourself because Malachi Corley ain't happening.
Yeah, I have not gotten there. Is he just guessing like
players? Like he's just like, oh, here's
another rookie. He's.
A Tao. He just says a bunch of
different things and then if the one he says at one point was
correct that he could victory. Like, exactly.
That's what it feels like. Let's see here.
I mean, it is. It's gross.
We could go Vaughn as a bet on the Cowboys and just handcuff
that one too. But we don't know.
Boy, Brooks is gonna go. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Two's fawn is really small though.
Yeah, it's a it's a short King roster.
He's Tariq Cohen. You're hoping it's Tariq Cohen,
unless I hear another name. He's smaller than Tariq Cohen,
isn't he? I think he's a maybe he's an
inch shorter, but Tariq was 5-6 so how?
I don't know how much smaller he could be.
I. Just I feel like when I saw
Dukes Von, it looked like a child was on the field with NFL
players. When I saw Tariq Cohen, it
looked like a small athlete. Like those are different things.
Yeah, he has the the helmet he's gonna tip over because of the
weight of the helmet look right? Yeah.
We missed out on dorch, which hurts.
Damn. Is Michael Wilson there?
Is Chris Moore there? Long gone, long gone.
I'm happy to. Crash, he's he's kind of a under
appreciated receiver. I think.
OK works for me. We're up to.
Oh my God. Trailing Burks.
I'm not like I'm not into him. But Yikes.
Michael Thomas. Pat.
You said. I saw a tweet where you said
you're drafting him. I'm.
Mixing him in 20th round, baby. I'm mixing Michael Thomas.
There's no reason not to take him at this point, I've.
Like, I don't think he's gonna retire.
Yeah. He's still.
Earned targets on on a per out basis at like a reasonable clip,
which is like his thing and targets matter.
It's gonna be low 8. It's not gonna be efficient, but
like there's a lot of places he could go and earn 100 targets.
I think he's. Gonna be like the Allen Robinson
was was it last year. But like maybe it works.
With more targets, yeah, like Allen Robinson had shown more of
a decline on his ability to earn volume.
Michael Thomas per route is still like in a fantasy relevant
range in targets, per out route and that kind of stuff.
Could he be like Juju two years ago?
Not on the I don't think it'd go to the Chiefs, but like that
kind of like it's mostly bad. But he has a couple weeks and
you're paying the 20th round price tag instead of the 7th or
whatever juju cost. Yeah, it is interesting that
he's right next to Odell. As Steph notes in the chat,
there's some interest with Miami.
In the newsletter today, Ian wrote up how the Chargers would
also make a ton of sense for him.
I could see Odell having a little life again.
He he wasn't bad last year when he was healthy, but they didn't
play him. It was so strange, like we all
thought that they were saving him for the playoffs and then
they just didn't they. I mean he they saved him, but
then they kept saving him in the.
Playoffs. The lasting memory I have of him
is in that that loss of the Chiefs, they went deep to him
from like deep in their own area of the field, needed to get
something going and he pretty clearly got held.
But he was so slow up the sideline that it was like, well,
overthrown. And it was like, he's not fast
enough to draw ADPI anymore. Like he doesn't have that juice
to get to the where the ball is. They're just like, yeah, that's
not catchable for you. And he's like, man, you're kind
of washed. I don't remember that.
Yeah, the I guess we could use some veteran leadership in this
young rookie wide receiver room. So Michael Thomas, the landing
spot I thought would have really worked for him, would have been
Carolina, in the same way that I kind of thought Deontay worked.
Was just like. You can go and just soak up a
ton of targets and it's in division and we sometimes see
these teams be like, Oh yeah, that guy used to catch 10 balls
on us every time we played him twice a year.
So I. Mean.
Honestly. But Denver, he just goes.
And it's literally. That would make sense, Michael.
He gets the Michael Thomas role as.
Michael Thomas Underpinson. Did he bash Peyton?
He bashed a lot of people. Yeah.
Yeah, he's. He's been on pretty unhappy with
how things went. Down look at.
Look at when you get to the 20th round with 236 players off the
board the the running back major.
Gore. Frank Gore Junior Eric Ray
Isaiah Davis. Ronnie Rivers.
Emmanuel Wilson. You're you're in third string
running back and undrafted free agent rookie territory.
There's that Ty Johnson on that list and then I just see him get
drafted here I he was the one that I liked the most.
He was the bottom on the list. It's a good.
Any Scroll down. Scroll down.
I have. I got nothing.
I'm sorry, I'm I'm not prepared for this.
Sky more you could you could take Slayton, Thomas, Parker.
There's guys who should have routes.
All right. We can do Parker.
Parker. As a scroll to the F Ed out guy
I. Didn't even know he signed with
the Eagles. Yeah, yeah.
They were like, can we get Julio Jones?
But one year younger, I think, was their thesis.
Right. And didn't they get somebody
else that that's fast to take the Quez Watkins role?
Am I thinking, oh, they they just got Paris Campbell, but
that's not who I was thinking of.
Oh. OK.
All right, the final squad here. A2792 build.
We definitely drafted in positional runs.
Four straight wide receivers. Tyreek Kilrashi.
Rice Tank, Del Roma Dunze. Two straight tight ends.
Trey McBride. George Kittle.
Two straight quarterbacks. Tyler Murray.
Tua I guess I We should have taken Xavier Worthy first, then
Javonte Williams so he could have gone six straight running
backs and said it was 5. Jonathan Brooks Julio
McLaughlin. Marshawn Lloyd Eli Mitchell.
Rico Dowdell then went to AU dub Boy, Jalen McMillan.
Jermaine Burton, Deuce Vaughn, Jamari Thrash and a little
veteran leadership in the form of Devante Parker to round.
It out. We also got Roma Dunze, we got
we stacked the Huskies in this dress.
If Rome's good, maybe that makes make it make millions that look
a little better, you know? Yeah.
There you go, Correlated bet that they're both very good.
And of course we do have to recap the masterpiece that W
Cocaine was painting. Wes Cocaine 4.
Quarterbacks. Jordan Love.
Brock Purdy. Trevor Lawrence.
Derek Carr. Let the record show.
Trevor Lawrence is in fact stacked with Calvin Ridley.
I will give them credit. After going five straight
running backs, they did fully take their feet off the gas.
It was just Jamir Gibbs, Barkley, Etienne Rashad White
and Kenneth Walker. Just those five.
They made-up for it with some quantity.
Calvin Ridley. Corley, Jon Dodson, Dardell
Moody, Jaled, Pogue, Davis Maddock took the wheel for
Malachi Corley, Rondell Moore AT Perry, Josh Reynolds, and then
what I would consider a slightly thin tight end room of Dolphin
Schultz and Jatavian Sanders. So I mean if you're gonna go, if
you're gonna go 5 running backs to start, you do gotta hit it
with a lot of receivers. I think some of the receivers
here make some sense. I don't understand the tight end
room and I don't understand the four QBs.
But otherwise, like sort of like if you don't take the 4th QB,
you almost land this plane a little bit.
And he did actually stack Trevor Lawrence with Travis Etienne
that's a that's a real ish stack that he he got in there.
Does he think Calvin Ridley still plays for the Jaguars?
That's my question. Yeah, I'm trying to figure out
how to fix this 'cause it it does feel like the it's it's one
of the lover Purdy picks. Need to be and I.
Would say probably the 1st 5 picks as well.
Well, while we're fixing things, let me.
Fat it's, you know, we're looking at a house and one of
the, like, main foundation pieces is just completely right.
Like, there's a lot of different things we have to get to to
fully fix this house. Me and you were trying to paint
the outside and Pat's. Like, what about the foundation
over there tilted in a swamp? Yeah, the.
Yeah, as producer Nick says in the hopper, this drop was
cruising. Nick noted it started 7 minutes
into the show and ended at 53, which is that's like BBM 18
round minute times there. The reason I'm hesitant to roast
W 2? It actually feels like someone
who's trying. It wasn't just a full phone, it.
In I don't understand the 4th QB, but other than that I agree.
I think he was trying and and and especially when you go away
from receiver for the first five rounds, don't understand why you
take QB's in three of the next 5.
Like even if you're going to do a three QB build, it's it's too
much QB capital right there. There's got to be some receivers
and some tight ends hit in that range.
I mean, honestly, you should be done it too, with Jordan Love,
Brock Purdy and five running backs to start The only chance
you've got. I mean, weirdly, those maybe
those two are the two we shouldn't Trevor Lawrence.
Shouldn't have taken Trevor. Lawrence and Derek Carr's
probably fine, but then you got a hammer wide receiver.
Like who? Who are the wide receivers
available? And.
You could have gotten Dallas Goddard though, too.
And you could have a Goddard Schultz tight end build, which
would help a lot. And yeah, I mean, if you took
Love and Purdy out, you could have also added like Deontay
Johnson. OK, I love him, we all know
that. But that's a good receiver for
this build. A lot of targets, at least like
some catches. It'll be like reasonable
production weekly. That's true.
Yeah, that's, that's. Remember one, like when we were
doing, I feel like this isn't as common 'cause people 'cause the
rooms are just not as running back heavy as they used to be.
But in FFPC, you'd see teams that would do stuff like this.
Deontay Johnson was like, always there, a cheat code, that kind
of archetype. It's like, I'm just gonna take
that veteran, underpriced targets, you know?
So yeah, yeah, interesting draft here.
Otherwise, I'm trying to notice any of the other names.
Keenan. Where did Keenan go in this
draft? I've been curious to see where
he has ADP. Fourth round, just before we
took a Deans there. 45 Who would you rather have, Gretch if
Keenan was there, Keenan or Rome?
That's a good question. I I I know that DJ more still
going too high, at least from my liking.
I mean, I think between Keenan and DJ Moore and I, I've talked
up Kolkamet a little. I don't think you want to take a
ton of Kolkamet because of those two guys ahead of him.
But I think he's a meaningful piece of the passing game.
He had a good year this this year for what their offense was.
I mean, I I, I, I guess what I'm saying is I think it's too much
capital for the Bears receivers to have DJ Moore at the 2-3 turn
and Keenan there. But I I think Keenan's price is
probably fine. Yeah, maybe they're both a
little. I think they should be closer in
price. What do you think about that
day? You think DJ more should be
higher? I think well, I think that they
probably should be closer because I think DJ more probably
has more to fall. Yeah, at least I've certainly in
terms of like capital, but I think probably even in terms of
raw spots DJ more probably has a like DJ more strikes me as like
a very similar type bet as like the Waddles and the Devonta
Smiths now where it's like you like the talent you know the
volume might not be there but they he can, he can still drop
30 points in week 16 or week 17 and just absolutely be the guy
you need. Yeah, I think or like a Mike
Evans or DK Metcalf. Yeah, that kind of guy. 1/3 a
third round pick. Cause in the second round you
want you want that single week upside, but you also want a
little bit more of a consistent target floor.
That I think I agree with that because I like DJ Moore quite a
bit and he's a lot younger and I have some concerns about
Keenan's health. But I would say that I think I I
fully agree with you guys on the efficiency and the splash
potential for DJ Moore. I think he's going to be great.
I feel a lot more confident that Keenan's going to out target him
when they're both healthy and like be the more more of the
volume guy. He's been that guy with every
receiver he's ever played with dating back to college.
DJ Morris been able to be somewhat target dominant at
points but not like Keenan Allen.
And I mean when a rookie comes in and you have Keenan Allen
constantly open you're probably gonna.
He actually set a career high in targets per out run last year.
He's still doing. It yeah, he's still good.
Yeah. It's really odd that to me that
the Chargers. Got rid of him like doesn't make
any sense. Doesn't make any sense to me at
all. I mean, they are.
I I was writing up some stuff and just like thinking like, did
anyone have a worse free agency than Justin Herbert?
I mean, yeah, sucks, man. See, this is, This is why I
think I I keep seeing the the Viking side of the JJ McCarthy
thing that they're gonna trade up with the Chargers.
I keep seeing that and I understand why people are saying
that from the Vikings perspective.
But the Chargers are sitting in a in a spot that is really wide
receiver rich in this draft and they absolutely need to address
that after what we're just talking about.
They did so why would they just take my league neighbors like
teams were trading up a few years ago to go get like Jalen
Waddle like like Miami did that into this range.
In this 105106 range. People have traded up to go get
a receiver like on the league neighbors before.
Why wouldn't you stay put if you're.
But anyway, the league Neighbors is maybe like the perfect wide
receiver to pair with Jefferson, 'cause he's, he's explosive.
He's gonna like, he's gonna actually like be able to take
the top off the defense in a way where I think, like, Justin
Herbert needs someone who's going actually to get open.
Like, he's not the most aggressive passer, but he's got
an awesome arm. So just like Neighbors, I feel
like would elevate him to another level.
I think, though, that if they get the package they probably
will get from the Vikings, Harbaugh's gonna be like, I'm
trying to fix this defense and fix this offensive line.
Like I can figure out receiver later.
Like, I just don't think that's where his head's at.
So everyone's got him moving back and then taking either a
doonsay or Brock Bowers there anyway, which I'm sitting there
going, I would love if a doonsay gets delayed in that spot,
'cause I can, I can then get excited about a doonsay.
I. Know.
But if he goes to like, fucking the Patriots or something, I
mean the he's not the Patriots, but like some of these landing
spots are like, oh the Giants. I don't want him going to the
fucking Giants con man. That's the pretty good chance he
does All right neighbors. Probably.
He's looking more likely to be there.
Is that the biggest buzzkit? Are those the two biggest
Patriots and Giants for like these top wide receivers?
Yeah. But I mean like, I it's not fun.
But like you know you'll, they'll be OK.
Like I don't think. It's can ruin Marvin Harrison.
It's definitely overpriced if if he ends up on the Patriots.
But I I know the days of cheap rookie wide receivers are are
long gone. But you will get a discount on.
The landing. Spot it was.
The whole reason Garrett Wilson was a double digit pick was
'cause everyone's like The Jets would like how big of a discount
do you think we would get on Marvin Harrison?
I that one not big. I think he just drops around
from the second. Yeah, I agree.
I think he drops to the third. If he was, if Harrison went to
the Patriots, the Patriots are going QB.
I mean, they have to, right? There too.
I mean, that's the crack rock report.
I also see every time anyone mentions anything else, I see
Pat Thorman make some comment about how like, obviously
they're gonna go QB. And I'm like, I I just, I
wouldn't want Pat Thorman to be thinking that I'm stupid.
So whatever he thinks about the Patriots, it has to be what I
think, 'cause he's like, he's plugged into them.
And when he has a strong opinion, he's like always,
right? Thorman's I love what I love.
When Pat's fired up, it's one of the best things Twitter.
They're definitely going QB cause, Pat Thorman said.
Something, yeah. Twitter's mostly just like
there's there's very little things that I enjoy left on the
site and I've fired up. Pat Thorman is very much one.
Of them, it's It's definitely one of them.
Can we please get? A crack rock appearance pre
draft I I think he's I think he's too big for us now and I've
I've seen some DMS. I've seen some screenshots of
him sliding into bigger shows than us saying hey you need me
to come on and talk ball. So I think he might have moved
on from a ship chasing the the the bright lights of Mar A Lago
have turned him into a new man. Hey, I think I'm.
I'm pretty. Confident that we're going.
To get him to book a flight out to to Vegas this year he he
won't come, but I think we can, yeah.
He will purchase the insurance. On it to make sure he can easily
weasel out of it. Let's see we we're not going to
be able to do a full second draft tonight.
Sorry Brady. Rookies and sophomores.
We could maybe squeeze into rookies and sophomores depending
on Gretch's schedule. Here.
I got I don't know how long that takes.
You guys can. Fire it up.
I might have to bounce. I got my daughter has a yeah a
little band performance at the top of the hour that we got to
leave. I I mean, how long does it take?
It's it's 10 minutes. Yeah.
Fire it up. Fire it up.
Let's do it all. Right, We'll do.
It we'll better start it we'll call us on a rookie and oops I
I. I want to do a rookies and
sophomores. Draft So that sounds that sounds
perfect. They're pretty.
They're pretty damn fun. All right, let me get this.
Going here. And even though I don't know
half the field, all the rookies. The sophomores are fun.
Yeah, it is. You have positional scarcity
tiers, running back, massively top heavy, then to a lesser
extent quarterback and then wide receivers pretty deep.
So we're hitting running back on one O21-O.
Two you, I've experimented and gone with the.
Quarterback, but I think you just take Gibbs.
You get into a tough spot when you do.
That, yeah. Yeah, the spot you can get.
Straight up locked. Out is quarterback, but you can
build with you with if you take Gibbs, you only have to take 3
running backs and that's nice. So it like unlocks a roster spot
for you. But like look at this Gretch.
So you go Bijon Gibbs, HANGO Chase Brown is 5.
Years of that, whereas you look at wide receiver you.
Go that far down. You're at Zay.
Yeah. Rome, You're at Reed Jordan.
Addison's down there. Yeah.
Yeah, it's way deeper. SO1 format.
In the history of fantasy, where Wide Receiver?
Is actually deep. The the other thing that'll
happen with quarterback is like you'll get Stroud, you'll get
Richardson and then Caleb Williams.
So often if you're the 4th, you can double tap Drake May and
Jaden Daniels is something that generally is possible too, which
doesn't feel that bad to where I haven't.
We get Stroud Richardson. We get Stroud, Richardson really
big. Yeah, that's rare.
That almost never happens. That's what I was hoping would
happen. And I don't know that it almost.
Never happened. So now I'm even more excited.
I have no. Idea that this is rare.
I'm so excited. Getting Scott here is so nice,
Yeah. And.
Then maybe he's gotta go QB at the turn.
We could get tanked. He should go the the rational
move here to go. Caleb But we'll see.
We get Caleb, then we get 2 quarterbacks, yeah.
This is a really enviable spot to be in for us.
Boom. Hey, what?
Neighbors. Yeah, wow.
So we. Get the Stroud Tank stack with
Gibbs. Very rare.
Looks rare, Looks rare. What's?
What's Warner always do when he gets like these really good
starts? He's always tweeting.
Is it just the the GM, GM, GM, GM?
Gotta get little GM out here, yeah.
Yeah, we can. We can get a a.
GM on the timeline all. Right.
Yeah. So the Richardson.
Drafter goes Caleb Hot Chili. These guys are definitely
playing chicken with quarterback.
They go man, oh man. Do you like Daniels over May?
Honestly, in this spot I take May.
I like May more. I feel like May's been one.
I feel like Daniels has more risk to like hurt himself.
He invites contact, more potential risk to get benched
just cause of like play style and Justin Fields comps and
stuff like vague Justin Fields comps.
So do we I like May better. Do you think this is a 2QB?
Bill like, I think you could rock solo.
Stroud. Just throwing that out there.
No, I think we grab May 'cause, I mean I'm fine with it, but
you're giving up a lot of leverage opportunity to to like
get in a low own Stroud to the final if you only, that's a good
point, that's a good point. You want to make sure that
you're making the most of that. And I guess 16 finals, so if you
get something wrong. I thought you were QBQ.
BI mean. Brian, Thomas and Addison, I
mean when you get this. Start.
You probably just played. I think so, yeah.
Thomas and Addison, I think are the best picks unless you.
OK, Do you do you like someone more?
No, I was gonna. Say, would you consider taking
Spears or? Chase Brown because I have gross
running back gets. Do you just take the receivers?
Yeah, I just think like when you look at this tier, like down.
Sharps Jalen Wright Like I I mean, we only have one.
Receiver we have two. Quarterbacks out there, Yeah.
When you take the quarterbacks, you still got to get your
receivers somewhere. Like, yeah, I like that.
That's. What we should have done?
Thomas over, I guess. Oh 'cause the Vikings have Sam
Darnold playing quarterback now. God, it's such a different world
for the Vikings. I know.
I think we're gonna get one of the.
Tracks coming back? Maybe.
So we'll see. But man JSN and.
Addison. Both, it feels.
Maybe not. A lot, though.
He didn't. But I I take Trey Benson.
A lot here. You got like Benton over Brooks.
I do. In this format, because there
like there's not running backs you can hide behind, you can
hide Brooks behind. You need the points.
Hmm, yeah, I don't mind. That what's what's?
Why is Brooks a late? Like.
Slow starter. Is he hurt or something?
He tore his ACL in November. Yeah.
This Oakland, KY game's wild. Kentucky's about to get upset in
the first round. Didn't I hear something like in
the Ken Palm? That Kentucky was.
Like top 10 offensively and like outside the top 100 defensively
or something crazy. They aren't that wild.
But they're Oh yeah, no, no, sorry.
They are that wild. That's that's exactly.
Right. Yes.
They're 5th offensively and 109th defensively, and those are
the types of teams that could go Brooks now and be done.
Yeah, if you don't think. Yeah, I guess it would be if
you. Think 80 is in his own tier if
he's close enough with these guys to just grab the best
running back, 'cause I do think Brooks feels like a slight tier
ahead of these other running backs.
Me too. And we have Gibbs and Benson.
So I feel like would you go Sharps or something, Mitchell?
I I don't. Well, you guys know better than
me. I don't know.
Brooks is really fun if he's If he's.
Healthy down the stretch. I think he's pretty clearly the
best running back in the class. It's just Brooks has a chance to
land on the Chargers and or Cowboys and be that lead back in
a way that Sharps doesn't without an injury.
That I think makes him a pretty fun click.
That makes sense. When you said the ACL.
I'm like, well, we only have 3 running backs in this format and
I want our guy to not have an ACL problem, right?
Yeah, we're gonna crush it. We're like.
Only three teams are gonna be good at running back 'cause
there's only three good running backs in the whole pool.
Yeah. And we are one of them which so.
This team is really fun. Yeah, it is. 80 Mitchell Oh
Mitchell Now we can kind of just do whatever we want at wide
receiver. I sometimes take LAD in this
spot because lad's going to get out there and run routes and be
fairly reliable. Yeah, or.
Brock Bowers, I just noticed. Yeah, you have him lower.
I I was just gonna say tight end thing.
Oh, I was. I actually was.
I didn't see his. Ranks, I was looking down or the
ADPI was looking down and I was gonna gonna say Bowers for just
for like draft capital and everything.
Isn't he gonna play quite a bit. And what if you didn't land with
the Chargers like that would be a a Sam Laporta rookie year.
Yeah, the Daniel Ras did. A strategy?
Article for this and he was. Just pointing out the tight ends
generally go too close to what they go in the big board when
you have a Titanic. That makes sense, yeah.
Yeah, but I would. So why does he just flash hit
in? Yeah, at this point, I mean.
I think he'd be fine. The other one that looked.
Decent to me was. Actually, we've closed that out,
'cause I don't remember who it was.
It was, oh, Dante and Wix I think is a a pretty solid.
He was had a good rookie year and they're gonna keep roads.
I don't think they're gonna not use him.
I don't think they're gonna add. Brock or oh, I.
Think Bowers by. ADP We're getting.
Another guy that makes. This team?
Yeah, yeah, Bowers. But.
Yeah, I Wix could even come back potentially.
Usually is available in the 11th.
But I I. Think he's a good fit because I
I think he'll. Have his games like he's gonna
play, he's gonna run routes and like wide receiver's not super
deep for us. We have a bunch of upside
rookies, but like as opposed to. Mims like.
I think Mims is good, but Mims is a little bit riskier to me.
Like Wix feels like a higher floor.
To me, the move I do with. Mims as I try to get and
actually. This has gotten harder cause
Bonex's ADP has risen. But I I like to do Jaleel,
Marvin Mims and Beau Nyx and. Just hope I'm.
Going like. Stack the Broncos.
Yeah. You can also do that with JJ
McCarthy. And and Jordan Addison.
Yeah, all. Right.
Let's see here. Yeah, I'm good.
I'm. I'm good.
You grab. Wix Yeah, I like it.
I feel like. This tier like I.
Would not be surprised to see the Franklin, Keyon, Coleman,
Xavier Leggett, Roman Wilson, Piersall, just like all jumbled
up in basically any order of draft capital.
We're just firing receivers now, right?
So if we want to try to. Yeah, let's.
There's one guy out. We can save him for the final
round, but Troy Franklin here is pretty sweet.
I know it was a 7 to 1 pass. Yeah, I like that.
Let's do it. Do.
You have any Franklin thoughts since?
They've they were playing the Huskies and stuff.
No, not really. I should have.
Better PAC 12 thoughts than I do.
But I don't watch a lot of the like other college games, 'cause
it's like, I mean, Saturday's one of my rare, like sort of
days off. I watch the Huskies and then I
kind of don't watch. I'm like researching for Sunday,
usually. You know, during football
season, I don't watch a ton of college ball other than the
Huskies. So you see him once a year.
But like, I don't know that he's an NFL prospect.
I'm not like paying attention to the Ducks roster.
We actually played him twice, but nothing like, stood out.
I don't. I don't know anything about him.
The guy I. I wanted to float was Demario
Douglas. With the idea that we.
We do have. May land in New England, but
Keon, Coleman, Roman Wilson. There's like a ton of.
Dudes, we could take his rookies too tomorrow.
Douglas has a great pick in the last.
Round of this Holy shit, why does he put this late?
Because Pat doesn't have him. Ranked.
Yes, he do. Do you wanna?
Know so Pat, Pat dictates the whole market.
I love it. I mean, he's like their wide
receiver won, like legitimately. Well, I did a fun one the other
day where I took. I did the May and Daniels and
then I took Pop because I'm like one of his quarterbacks is going
to be those guys. So you like guaranteed the
stack. Well, look when you guys fill a
tournament in three. Days and I I.
Send out the ranks once and don't think about them again.
Yeah, that's I I may have forgotten to add to Mario
Douglas. Yeah, it is.
It is wild. Sophomore is a 70. 7% filled
crazy. We got one Amazing.
Ship chasing team though. And that's, yeah, let's get.
This marked here. That's fun as hell.
I got run. Yeah, we'll power this.
Whole thing down. Thank you guys for hanging out.
Obviously you got all kinds of ranks and stuff over on
Legendary Upside. Check out that Drake May Jaden
Daniels piece from Pat as well. Steph's article about Rashi Rice
rookies and sophomores ranks in an article from Daniel Razz.
A bunch of good stuff. Check out my video over on the
Deposit Kingdom channel. Ran through 10 different tips
for the big board. Still plenty of time to draft in
that and underdog Also draft dropped $100.
Three Max. The biggest board Two.
So those strategy tips can get you caught up.
Who, who Why did they decide to do that?
Anyone ask for that tournament or Yeah, you know I I asked for
a little favor and hoping new me made that happen.
Thank you guys and Gretch. Stealing bananas.
Stealing signals. Anything else coming up from
you? Nope.
Not like. Not imminently.
I'm going to go to. A band concert tonight and
that's what's coming up for me. I'm adding Demari.
Douglas to the rankings right now.
So if you want to you want to draft off the ones with Demari
Douglas. Check the site in about 5
minutes. Pat is writing a sternly worded
message to Daniel Raz and myself.
It is? No no.
But I I went Rd. We.
Weren't going to provide these and I was like, I'm.
Having fun? Here's some ranks.
Oh, OK. All right, guys, have a good
night. We'll see you next time.