Welcome to shift, chasing the preeminent.
Show that covers all things. High-stakes fantasy football.
I'm Peter overs at your host here with my co-host.
Who's here, every single week? Hassan Raheem how we doing his
son. You know, we're doing fantastic
here, you know? Like we've been, we've been
pretty blessed to to, to where we are.
And, you know, we having a good season or having fun.
Like I see a lot of complaints and a lot of people complaining
but you know, two guys like us. Well, you know, I think
something people forget is you helped build this show Brick by
Brick, waiver pick by waiver pick.
And you know, look where we are now Hasan people you know
getting rid of their Wednesday night plans just to come.
Watch us do this show. Yeah I mean it's humbling.
Ling right. Especially especially when they
have a come, they come and have a chance to see me interview you
about how to do this, would, you know, like to introduce our
special guest tonight. Yeah.
Do we have any? We do believe you.
Oh, yeah, we do. Yeah.
So I guess, I guess maybe the other, well, we've got two
fifths of the of the Pentagon her missing so I guess maybe
been Gretchen bad crane. Oh, welcome.
Welcome on their hands. What is happening?
Oh, I don't know. His son shows up on time and
other people don't. I think that's what's happening.
How we doing, fellas? Good doing good.
Headphones are hiding something from you.
I was late because I was sitting in the waiting room while I was
listening to Pat's KJ. I was born slander that we only
had shared in our little chat which I was, I was laughing
because I just saw the back-to-back tweets.
One was Daigle pumping, KJ Osbourne was Pat funny.
Get, I was like, give me some sports Edge.
Who am I supposed to believe here?
That's actually really funny. It says gauging Osborn's, a
high-stakes where were they could?
Pay dividends the next week. Background explains.
He woke up list of matching out of people's production, Patty,
having technical difficulties. I am, I'm gonna back out and
come back in. All right, it's all right.
This is why we, we normally send our guests, kind of a little
technical show sheet on how to do stream yard and stuff.
But Hassan, did you forget to send that over to Pat?
Yeah, that's it. Yeah, there's definitely my
fault. I definitely forgot to send
that. It's like, and I apologize.
I know it's his first time on the show and everything I should
have made it easier on them. It's okay.
Why don't you set the table?
They'll let the people know how we're doing because we tend to
manage a couple squads that are looking pretty spicy right now.
Yeah. So we so first, let's start with
a KFC team. If you guys remember, that was
just the craziest draft. I can pull up the draft board if
anyone's interested too. I walk down memory lane with us.
Please do a screen, share it in the hopper.
That was I was just metered and try to make a joke, but I was, I
have no idea how to screen share.
I apologize. This is, I thought your been
basically left a lasting job obviously because we're in the
playoffs. What are you talking about man?
Oh my God, there we go. Well you know I mean we've
definitely chatted all year but yeah a great job setting top of
the waivers and things like that.
No. Again.
So like it like I got to be honest like this really is like
a true five men effort because you need input and you need
people to talk you into and out of what the fuck you going to be
doing on on waivers and I'll just pull up an email exchange
that we had way back at the start of the Season that really
sets the tone is this, where Blair spent all of our money on
remind Ray Stevenson, I would pull that one up too.
But this is, this is so weird. Yeah we were pretty wild I was
like yeah you guys are right. Let's Jack it up.
So so so for those of you guys who want to see if this is it
this is the drunkest draft. You ever going to see and and
just some Some some notes here. So Joe Mixon.
Uh, this is the third round reversal.
So, keep in mind, that's your mixing at the 303 and, you know,
here's our first running back Javonte Williams, who did, who
did pretty okay, and then you can just, you know, I mean, just
Revel in this, right? This was a bit of a
friends-and-family draft, right? I know Willis was in this draft
was, was gor mangy and your mangy.
Yep, Gourmand, you also did well in the, I believe he was the
regular Season top Point scorer. I also just want to let you guys
know, and I don't know if you guys have been following the,
the TOC, the Owners Club, which is like the nft DFS stuff, Gore
mangy, shipped week, 13 and won a seat to the Miami live final.
So Gore mangy, continues - absolutely Crush.
That's massive. So, I mean I mean Again this was
like really weird because we got health care, right?
Like we got Josh Nora. So doctors here in the Damien.
Harris, heat artists intricate areas dhoni who we gave it away
you know we got DJ chart got hurt but Henry rugs.
Okay, Jake Hammer got hurt Michael, Pittman emerged, we
lost gut, despite getting Gus Edwards here, it didn't matter
because God said was out for the season.
And that's just our team. Elijah Mitchell.
Actually got drafted in this one.
Blair who are the guys? We want to take this is the
draft right? That we you and I kept getting
322 outvoted and then on the neck strap when you, when you're
like, we're gonna do another draft and hopefully be a Benji.
Get some of the guys we wanted. I know.
I wish I could remember, remember either, probably better
picks all the bad ones were the ones you guys wanted and then
the good way. Hey, we didn't think we're the
ones that we were thinking. Well, we didn't let you have
anything. Fix that.
Can't be true. He got us on a Michael Pittman,
but but just to wrap this up real quick, we shipped this
against Shelly. We had it was, he was up by 0.5
points, going into Sunday Night Football.
We had Javonte going up against Jerry Judy and, you know, we're
fortunate to ship the league. So now we're in the main event
bracket for KFC as well and in ffp.
See it's a we are Was the championship.
Let's there's really weak in the know.
So they are four species? No, they're not playoff.
Start now weeks at week, 14 waivers are completely closed
for KFC house are as our team looking for the playoffs.
Yeah, we did. We get our house in order.
We did a good job. Who's on our team?
I thought maybe he's not Shelly msmes, that's even better.
It's just for the audience. I'm very aware.
We're yeah just for the Audience by Shep.
But today we wanted to show the chat our team and by show the
chat I mean show us so the private chat.
Yeah. So here's what we got.
We got Joe borrow see, Pat judge advantage of March a so Marty
Cooper tipping on a by Justin Jeff, just Jefferson B.
Indeed EST. Suck up and then here's a bench,
we got Yeah. Yeah, baby.
That works for us. Yeah.
We we were ahead of the curve on this one.
So so our roster now is locked for the final lat.
Yep. Don't lie like that but you got
us to defense. Has you got us two kickers?
Our house seems in order. Yeah.
Yeah, it seems very in order. We only have the one tight end.
Hopefully Kyle shits doesn't shed.
Um yeah that's that's he that's been the worry.
Trust me. Was it because it really, I
mean, my kind of thesis is Russell, Gage is emerging as a
superstar that that's going to pull attention off of Kyle tits
down. It would be, it would be like
such irony if we didn't win the KFC Main Event because of Kyle
shits who put his stamp on in like may it is if we just ride
with only him. It's a, I think, I think really
what Worries me the most share about like, shits is also the
first name Kyle, I was thinking about this, right?
Like it's probably the first English name go on, so it's
Friday, the 3rd worst name, right?
Like Connors probably the worst one and then, like, yeah, what
do you have against Connors? I don't know.
Connor how sorry, dude. It caught the exception to the
rule, Connors a pretty shitty day.
The second city names. Probably Kevin.
So like this is why I like well and then
to bad but like but like Kyle is like It's a pretty tough name
for an NFL star. You know, I'm a superstar like
they just going back to like the old scouting takes of like, what
your face is and what your name is.
I think it's that's it stuff County taking what your yeah,
you should. And so how else did Jack Wilson?
Get drafted top five. If not, for that face, it is.
It's the face, man. It's a I don't know.
Some people of a star is what the good faces.
All right. Okay, I'm gonna pull up a photo
of Zach will save. You gonna tell me this guy
doesn't have the aura of a star. I like the Skylar sucks tank.
Like, that's really random. You must know somebody named
Skyler and also yeah that name does suck.
I think tell me that's got the Charisma.
No it's this is a few. Looks like you have a Disney
Reno, you know, Pull up the one of him getting drafted was on
the phone with the die and everything.
What he looks like. Yeah, boasting here.
Yeah, I don't like this Zach. Wilson aesthetic, Fudd from Pat
right now. I mean, let's give the guy one
thing. I mean, obviously the good face
like leads to good results. So clearly it doesn't have a
good Pace because it's been an absolute shit.
Hey, is that wait, time out? Is that why the Jets took him?
Did they take this? Am Donald bust face issue as
your that's better. But overcorrect to the cutest
looking give you, they can find this time around.
Look at this, Dan. He looks like he's going on The
Bachelorette. Look at that.
Dan. They like he does, he die.
He does. Look like this.
Is he just got out of the limo you to go deep yesterday but
that's not a bad thing. What's his backstory?
He's a very for his next career. Again, I don't think you looking
for this, come on qualities. That Scouts are.
That's all CrossFit. Gossiping cruises and Mormon.
What else you need? Yeah.
He's walking up to The Bachelorette.
He has he has a goldfish. In a fishbowl, he's walking up
to her and he said, of all the fish in the sea, you're gonna
pick me. He goes on.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not gonna work.
Yeah, it was, it was we get the show back on track, I thought
you were hosting you. Introduce Blair.
Yeah. Blair one of the Geniuses behind
behind our Mantra pick here. There have you had a chance to
set waivers yet? All right.
So this is we're going to be doing this live because you
haven't set with his yet but we need to get a house.
I don't wave yours. There you go.
What are again? We have $55 left and we got to
spend on real quick. Well, I mean can we can we like
spend more a little bit more on Ramon trying.
I'm trying How is your season been going?
How have you? How have you been doing man?
Oh, my Seasons been. Well, you know, I spend $500 on
Ramon Ray Stevenson so that's how that's how my Seasons going.
Kyle Kyle Devore, check has the, he saw the season that you guys
watched as well, do the Zach Wilson season The Bachelorette.
That's right. He 100% accuses.
The Bachelorette of knowing one of the guys before the show but
he does it behind her back and then Nice it to her face.
God, I forgot about that. That was classic.
It was he goes. Yeah, Blair did youdid you
co-manage a team with Sean again this year?
I mean event team I did. And we drafted Christian
McCaffrey with the first overall pick.
I remember that team because I was like, this is a juggernaut
you gave the 0r B, boys. Christian McCaffrey it was like
Gigi but then I assumed it went downhill.
Yeah. Let me see if I can pull it up.
Well for here. Here's a reminder bid history, I
wonder if you're a mod rehab. It is ludicrous enough, would
you think of going to like 550, I pulled it back from 689
second, push it up. After 2587, maybe beside the
overbid. The league is asleep.
Do you have other emails from? Is there another thread because
I feel like we send you an e-mail ahead of time being like
we might want to lower this bid. Yeah.
So there's like a whole like so what actually kind of came out a
little late. So been sent this out here.
Can't see B, throwing this out there, baba ba car, who's got
beat up, love it. Feel free to cancel his $1.
B, I put in a ludicrous bit for am Andre, because that was, when
we came out, like the idea that James might be done for the
season. Yeah.
And and so just sort of feel Just sort of going, and we're
kind of discussing like one dollar bills and so on and so
forth. And then it kind of, I think you
guys were probably recording, a closer recording when it came
out, that that James White was actually done.
So, we went back in and readjusted our bid way up, okay?
And, and that's where, and that's where we got, what we
did. But it just it just in
hindsight, it just at the time was just like, oh God, we're in
a complete Island here. But who cares?
Like that's when But you're right there asleep at the wheel.
I mean, where are we at? Where we are in the finals.
Okay, cool. Never in doubt been never in
doubt. Hmm.
Um, so we we actually were fortunate because like, we were
so the FPC, the F of b g, the FPC League was one where we try
to go really heavy for Elijah Mitchell week one and we didn't
win him, but I had a couple of continuously builds for CPAP At
and both and that we were kind of fortunate to get him for like
25 bucks or whatever like at the start and he's really been the
guy. So here's a team.
If and if anybody wants me to share I found the thread to Pat
your reply was we definitely overpaid but honestly it only
takes one guy to be paying attention to lose him.
So fun that one guy would have to be Blair Say it.
My Madre looks fucking awesome every time.
Yeah man. Yeah, he looks great.
That was not going to be the low guy.
He was like you comes back. He's like I'm glad we did it.
I would have went higher, ha ha ha.
So just it's just a bummer that we don't have them this week
because it's like we'd be playing him over Zeke right?
Like like easily have always on a week 14 by the expand on a bus
and like week 7. Yeah I know I have I have Gallop
slaughtered In there. And that's the issue is because
we've got Debo down here and he is, but you're not going to
play. He's been carrying us anyway.
But if anyone's interested, I can share the draft board if
you'd like. But long story short, we lucked
out last week, winning a real snoozefest of a game.
And we're in the finals, playing against a team that we have
beaten once before. But it's a battle of ideology
here, if anyone's interested and the one on the left, we've got
like on the right. You've got us here your hometown
hero. You know, modified 0r B.
Well I guess is zero or even seek on the left you've got your
typical ffp. See grinder.
More running backs on his roster than he can play every like I
mean look at this. Dr. Foreman chuba Hubbard.
Roasted only three wide receivers as he heads into the
playoffs like like that's a big that's a miracle than Jefferson,
Chris Godwin and Devon. This is like we have to win
this. Bad yet, right?
And he's got he's you know he's got three tight ends is you know
dr. Conklin Logan Thomas and Rob
Gronkowski 3D fences, right? So Tampa Bay buffalo in Arizona
look like matchups got Street, three quarterbacks and like 500
running backs, like James, Conner and IGA Iris and Tony
Gibson. JJ Dillon, can't even play tuba
or dr. Foreman.
So what's it matter? Literally those three receivers
Hasan minhaj have you You started thinking about the
Boomer opto for the FPC, Playoff Challenge, just just updating
the Algos right now, just just waiting to see who gets in and
then we can hit optimizing. See what comes out.
What kind of market research? Are you doing these days for the
Boomer opto I'm driving this ler, Sizzler Ponderosa, like
going to all the early bird specials, Bob Evans, Boston
Markets, Yeah, I think. Do you think, do you think we're
going to see four running backs in the Boomer after this year?
Oh God. I think so.
This is this might be the year. I think I think that line is
going to be like, brawl each ball drop.
I let me know. Hang on.
They love to know. I don't think it's pretty.
I mean he was the QB last year.
So like a lot of people going to plan just based on that, right?
But it was Matt Hartley because he got a he had a decent shot of
making the Super Bowl and he didn't have a by.
So there was like she reason we'll have this year.
I'm not for sure but right now he's not in by position the be
but the media. My head is the classic meme of
the guy looking over his shoulder at the new girl.
Earl except it's the Boomer opto and he's looking over his
shoulder at four different things.
It's like Tom Brady, Leonard fournette, Antonio Brown.
Rob Gronkowski the Tampa Bay Bucs are the Boomer opto rolled
into one. Those guys love every fucking
one of those players, my guess right now would it would be for
net because you're looking at teams that like you're not gonna
be excited to play. The Cardinals running back,
you're not going to be we might not know what to do with the you
know it's the 49ers are in the Packers aren't going to be that
fun to play. The bill.
Oh my God. Is speaking to be an optimal.
Oh no. Chance to do this.
He is gonna be like, like they get it.
I feel like they probably got converted the lamb which sucks
for us. Yeah, Damien Harris is going to
be so wait, the one that's a lock been probably, but I can
honestly see some Gronk potentially, I don't know.
Dude we're Madre. There's going to be some robot
Ray at our future. I can tell you that right?
Yes I am telling you right now. We are going to be heavy Audra
vadra but I actually wonder if New England, he ends up getting
pretty chalky because if people aren't going to it's either like
Harris or New England ''i. You know?
It's it's crazy to like you look at the Super Bowl.
Futures right now for the Patriots, and they are right up
there at the top and then you go look in any market, like I was
At the TOC stuff because they're having a playoff contest and
they're trading at like a fourth of the price of all the other
teams in the playoffs. Like so it they will be a really
interesting one and no one's going to want to play it to your
point q, b and wide receiver from them.
So it's gonna be all running back in defense.
Maybe someone gal brains a tight end, I don't know.
Yeah but if they get if that Futures Market stuff holds up by
the time we get to the playoffs. People won't play the D because
they don't, they'll be afraid to just have their defense, you
know, to Three rounds in. That's why Harris?
I'm calling it right now. 75 percent projected on it.
I like it man. I think it's a great call.
So the Bangles are looking at teams that are in the Bengals.
Are also in I hope they make it because that'll be a mixin 60%
or and we'll get a play whoever we know yes and game.
Yeah, Evan Pat will be sharing his spreadsheet on our stream.
Would we have FPC playoff weeks that answer will be revealed I
promise you, he's gonna be recording.
From a speakeasy in Brooklyn, I can't wait.
I can't wait. So the one thing I wanted to get
your guys, take on is a little bit as so, we're really relying
on, on Jamarcus to, Joe borrow actually beat.
If you want to go back to our matchup.
I wanted to show how you doing that again.
Yeah, absolutely. So, because the DFS, bro, the
DFS Bros are going to love this because of how heavily
correlated this. This matchup is not like for us
and for him, doesn't it Tori? Asleep.
Yeah, if I show it is, we're out here rise of the Boomers and now
we're bringing in the DFS was so so so so are so I saw opponent
has so here you can see how can it is right now.
So it's 153 donors. If you do, he's got guyler,
James Conner and been Jefferson from the same Monday night game
and then he's got Godwin and Gronk and Tyler bass and My
defense, I'm the same think he's like pretty much all in on like
basically to do well because he's trying to, you know,
eliminate the number of things he has to get right?
You know, if you guess correctly identifies these two games, he's
gonna really be cooking. I mean, I mean, look, maybe if
you got like three wide receivers and one of the three
Advantage Jefferson, I can tell you, you are definitely either
gal bringing to the extreme, or you got nothing up there.
Like, you that mean we're like, you know, but if you percentile
is like crying and neck on the one hand, you got the Jeep, like
the guy with the hood that, then you got like the person who
Looks like me like the guy too noisy.
I no idea what's happening. So, Anna, we correlated at all.
What we got? Well, kind of well, thanks to
Debo. Like, not going like we lose
that. Jamar Chase Joe borrowed, it
goes. I know we planned that out.
Yeah, we're we're kind of correlated to Kyler's because
we've got Matt Prater going. Our correlation is such a good,
very correlation. Hey, hey, hey.
Hey. The only reason it makes sense
is because Kliff Kingsbury fucking loves field goals.
All right. The only only thing he loves
more than anything else and just so just trying to figure out,
you know, like for the most part, I mean, we don't
necessarily need to be all that correlated.
You know, we've got, I mean, that's kind of what happens when
you get your wide receivers trade.
Hey, yeah, Zeke Gallop though. Got a lot of hey Gretch.
What should I put? I'll put this guy in a
five-minute timeout. Just say the word.
No, he can. He can you're gonna let him say
that? I'm putting them in a
five-minute timeout. All right, he's going in a 5 on
it. I can't believe you just let
that go Gretch. I had to lay it down.
Look man, then Jeff's still sucks.
But you know, it's you got to own some things.
Every now and then what was what was the heartwarming story?
Van Jefferson that someone shared in our chat Leone Leone
loves Rio leg, you up about bad Jefferson, you loves.
Yeah, well and he had a good, he did have a good little story
that he's like a fun guy. He was like, how can you not
root for this guy? Because there were some, I can't
remember what the story was, but there was some story this week.
I was reading, I was trying to find it, but me and we only had
about a seven-hour conversation about waivers today, so it's way
up in our Jets. How it goes that crane has.
He's gone bad. He's struggling here.
Brooklyn Wi-Fi. I sure am.
I don't know if you can even hear me tonight.
We look at my Frozen face. I also want to say Blair, and
Pat both wearing the old school wrote of his hoodies in 2
different. Colorways.
Pretty cool. Right, I'd show you it.
If I wasn't Frozen, I did want to pull up a line.
Why we're talking about van Jefferson from my favorite stub
stack here, signal van Jefferson 20% targets per round over the
past four games continues to run a ton of routes comma.
Still sucks. I mean I thought the takeaway
was going to be pretty impressive but still sucks.
Yeah. I mean speaks for itself.
Really. No.
I mean, look, he's drawn a few more targets these last couple
weeks so good for him. That's been my big thing.
I mean, like, if you want to actually have a serious
conversation about TJ more and Van Jefferson, look at their
target Sprout, run because, more than way, way better than him at
turning volume, but obviously way better team situation for
Van Jeff, but, yeah, he had a pretty big drop this week.
He wore went off the face mask last week.
That's been Jefferson. I'm talking about it.
Continues to be terrible. He's like Like one of the worst
grated PFF receivers who's running routes.
Is he as he's like 20 top 25 in the NFL and routes run like they
just run him out there. Constantly on this really good
offense. They really want him to be a
thing, but as far as like grades and you know, drops and stuff,
it doesn't really matter. Ultimately, he's been terrible,
my video. He's scoring Fantasy on me.
What's that? Sorry.
I'm just I'm very annoyed by my video, which is like a history
of everything I've done on the show.
It's not alive pat, pat 6yo camera camera.
And so the guarantee internet, you can see things.
Like I said like three minutes ago Gretch does it like if we're
having a legitimate discussion does are you bullish on Odell
Beckham if he's healthy in this offense?
Yep. Yeah, he still maintains from
Target Sprout, run. In Cleveland isn't like is yours
for Target stuff like that. Have not been strong, but yeah,
I mean, that was sort of my take when they brought him in was
like, honestly, I feel like they brought him in before.
What's got hurt. I mean, how kind of hilarious
like I think that was a pretty clear indication they were
souring on Van a little bit and then Robert Woods goes down and
well. Now you have an opportunity for
van to keep playing but well, I mean if you go back to that
first game when they acquired obj, like van Jefferson and
higbee, Drew the same amount of targets and they were both
pretty dog shit like, like like, like, like like that Jefferson
Drop, Like, multiple sitters to wear.
Like, I legitimately thought Sean McVeigh might strangle him
to death, like I was like, like I was ready to like, find out
where Van Jefferson's parents are and it's like, hey, your kid
is in danger and he earned it like he but he is earned this.
Okay? I don't know man, if you're
gonna drop like in this case it's just like the dungeon where
he's gonna like, end your life Gretch, you want to 5-minute
timeout, where does van Ranken? Question here.
If anyone else? Oh, I forgot that lie, I
accidentally legitimately blocked him.
Now if there's no body is, can you unblock on that guy on
today's episode of stealing bananas?
I had a whole rant about j-league item, so it sounds like
he's been listening to stealing bananas as well.
Probably a fan like, yeah, I have to go deep into the
settings and Waka Flocka. I'll take care of you Berto,
relax. Alrighty to Pat.
What's going on with your internet, man?
Oh, can you still watch? I thought, when you blocked it
was like, he's not even allowed to watch you just now I'm gonna
watch you. Just ridiculous.
No, I mean, it's, I mean what happened Murphy?
I don't know, it was bad for the podcast and I honestly might
have been Murphy's been very anxious today, trying to get me
to play with them as soon as I go on a podcast, he wants me to
stop and play with them. So could be Murphy, I don't
know. It was doing this during the
good football show today. Which is which was a pain.
Is this, this is the look. You can see all these things I
did. I'm not doing any of this.
Now, I'm just sitting here talking about voice over and
seeing it, is everyone trying to get blocked tonight.
Is that, is that the new game? Like, we're winding down.
I'm like, I see the end. It's been a long year scrolling,
but we're time or signal, if you're not 21.
What you don't do after week, 14 15 16, I don't do one after
week. 17 for week, 18, Berto, you're free.
I just removed you. There was about six different
webcams that I had blocked in there and Berto Genesis, so he's
free. I mean, fine.
Anyone have a take on Treadwell, all out, Gretchen's in a great
mood, talk about Treadwell, if he gets tight end, Honey we're
in can I have no thoughts on the contrary?
I mean I don't know. What do you eat?
Is the Jags, right? Oh yeah.
So so so mi, so my best guest, Ronda, can't the Quan Treadwell
is that Urban Meyer has done everything he can to get fired.
And yet still isn't this like office space?
And I think the reason that Urban Meyer's trying so hard to
get fired is because Trevor Lawrence really sucks.
He looks like he should be retired.
Like Andrew Luck. Yeah, he's terrible.
He's just really bad. That's that's that's the take
rate murder of Berto. If you're here, right?
Something man. That's what people want to see
that you're still able to type Blair.
Blair I want you to rank. It's it's 2024.
We're heading in to a fantasy season, I want you to rank the
five quarterbacks from the 2021 draft class for Fantasy purposes
in 2024. Okay. 2024, we're going to go
Fields Mac Jones, Zach Wilson Trail ants and then like, way
down Trevor Lawrence. He also he also the other didn't
didn't mention my quite about Trevor Lawrence ha ha.
Oh yeah right of course anyone else have different rankings
there? No that's exactly how I look at
it. Go someone please flip Zach
Wilson and Trail ants for my own sanity.
I don't go Lance. I've still Lance one.
I think he's going to be Kyle, Shanahan starter eventually and
whatever you want to say about fields.
And I think Fields is Like way better than what?
He Shona. I'm excited about them long term
like at least compared to what he's shown.
I don't like the fact that we're going to have to play coach
roulette and and who are we? Hoping for exactly like besides
Brian table, which you know, his star doesn't look brighter than
it did last year, right? But they're having a lot of
struggles, the bills. Like what if they hire like a
map Patricia type? You know, what if they hired
probably Coughlin type in Jacksonville their owner know in
Chicago ownership cares. About 100 year old streak of not
finding a coach in season. If you manage like that, you're
probably going to hire ya idiot. They're going to be like, let's
get someone who's gonna restore the culture of the Bears.
Like, that's what they're going to do and then they're going to
hire some like, like Darrell Bevell look equivalent.
Like, it's, you're ruining my night because this is so fucking
accurate. Like this is, it's like, we
don't want to play. This is a lottery.
We don't want a ticket in like, you know what I mean?
Like, you're, you're, you can talk yourself into To it being
be enemy or day ball or but like those guys aren't going to be
like they were bigger names this time in terms of potential hires
last year, right? The Chiefs the bills.
Like, you know, like I think, Scott Turner's done that really
good work this year. I don't think he's gonna get
hired as a head coach or I mean, he's already an OC.
So you'd have to be a head coach.
There's just I don't think I'd only Kellen Moore is going to
get hired as a head coach after the year probably.
So, who are we excited? I guess it's a college coach.
But of course, we just saw with Urban Meyer how bad that can be.
I just rather have the guy tied to Kyle Shanahan.
I'm sorry, I just would, this is this is a big reason, completely
forgot. I was going to say there.
What are you Hassan's trying to work on bids right now?
Talk it out, Hassan. That's what we do here, tell me
what your bidding? Tell me, what your bidding in
the private chat, and I'll at the bottom.
Yeah, sure. So we have.
So we have $55 left and I'm splitting them between the Los
Angeles, Chargers defense and a running back for dropping
Rondell more. Click at that pets.
Don't be talking right now. So so so, so you don't want that
was giving my take, you can see the emotion coming through, I
don't want to either. See, your FB G KFC is like this
is FBG. We are the only running backs
that are interesting or engineer or jamychal Hasty and we've got
Rondell, but like we've also got Debo and Chase Claypool and
Michael Gallup, who like, we're kind of thing, receiver roulette
with What a collision? Oh my goodness.
Holy shit. This man has lost his mind.
Cut Claypool, dude, you're totally wrong.
Like, I'm actually considering this week if only because if
only because I genuinely think that people really is a wide
receiver to. He had like back to back like
almost 100 yard games on like nine targets at a Targets this
like last week was kind of Aberration, we're like to eat,
like, been just went to Deonte, like, Claypool still gets
manufactured touches. You didn't get as many last
week. Rot, like Ron Dale's role is
unfortunately, that of like this satellite back plus in this
offense with AJ Green and DeAndre Hopkins and fucking sack
hurts and all these like old guys.
They haven't Cristian Kirk like like I really think the Claypool
like that, like, with Juju out to become a lot thinner, like,
we don't have access to free or mood, I guess maybe I'll take a
quick look at the tight ends but hang on.
We gotta let Gretch flush out this take because I, yeah,
because I, yeah being down on Claypool, but I guess I don't
understand being that high on run.
Yes. So yeah, yeah, I mean, I wasn't
actually serious when I was very close to changing it, but
listen, I'm serious. Would you would you really cut
Lawndale over Gio Bernard? No.
Yes, I would rather cut Geo. Like, yeah, I put Rondell is
like, okay, so a couple things on Rondell.
He actually did start to see his routes come up.
I'll talk about this in signals this week, but AJ Brown.
AJ Green wrong color. Has been three games in a row,
has been below 80% routes, which doesn't seem like a huge drop.
A like he was above 90 for most of the early part of the year.
So they've cut them about 20 percentage points in routes into
like the 70s. These last few weeks have
started to shift that down Kirk was at 65 percent last week,
they only had 20 drawbacks. Also be very small sample, but
Kirk has come down a little Rondell was up at 65%.
Kind of a higher number like in coming out of the by.
And right before the by hit, the 11 catch game where they were
manufacturing, some looks for him, I do like we know that this
is a compact situation. We're not going to get the
Elijah more like suddenly he's playing 90% at the end of his
rookie season that we've seen from so many other rookies.
I do think, Arizona is making some small shifts to get Rondell
into a rotation. That is trimming AJ Green.
A little bit trimming Kirk a little bit and getting more some
more snaps routes touches and like I want to see Comes up that
I don't want to cut him right now.
We're actually like getting a little bit more out of him right
now. It isn't a great role, becomes a
very artsy stuff. I agree with that but I just, I
wouldn't want to come, especially if an injury happens
or something. I mean, the other issue is that
hurts, who's running 80 plus percent routes, every single
week, but like, Earth's and AJ Green are both freaking 90 years
old. One of those dudes.
Can't make it to the next four weeks run.
No more. Like the trend that's coming.
It could become 75% rounds, you know, Gretchen five-minute
timeout, 4kz. Why you're the host?
Yeah, now KZ. That's a five-minute timeout.
AJ Brown is just fancy AJ Green. I can practice.
See where he's going with it, right?
Because you got a JG + AJ B, put you in a five-minute time.
Yeah, no. Scratch, for the most part.
So I was hoping someone had I could take that have no idea
what we're doing because we've had them on our roster forever.
I have takes on getting well. And I basically I don't think
they think he can run like I didn't think he's just a
receiving back this last week he got 12 carries eight of them
came on the last eight plays of the game.
Total garbage time, they're obviously really depleted
elsewhere and their backfield like Scott didn't play sick and
everything and Howard's hurt Mi Sanders got 24 of the first 28
Rush attempts in that game. Even though game.
Will had the rush TV, but they don't think he can run.
If you go look at his Rush attempts.
Like, as soon as they shifted to the really run heavy game,
scripts with the pass rate over expectations that were negative
10% or Worse, which was whatever week that's when they said.
Okay, we're going to go Howard and Boston, Scott and you're now
a depth running back. That was right when Sanders got
hurt member and we're all like yeah I was gonna smash, he's
been awesome. I just I don't think they think
they think he can be in between the tackles Runner.
We love him. He has a great profile passman
on him. You know, since the offseason
was really, really Lehigh on it, but he was a fifth-round pick
right day, three pick. And I just, yeah, I don't think
they see anything out of him as a runner, which is weird because
he has had runs like this week. We had the 17 yard TD, now, he
did look good. Also, in the in the closing
minutes last week in those final eight carries that were all you
know, garbage time but you know, maybe he can still earn some
some new trust him in an opportunity to run the ball.
But I just think that there are run-heavy team now and they
don't think he can run. Well, I would say they're not
happy with the way he's running. Maybe they don't think he can
run, might be a little strong because like you see this with
backs like Tony Pollard and stuff.
Can I get like worked more and more in like they could they
could ultimately like what they saw last week and start using a
little bit more and the Scott stuff, right?
That's kind of interesting what happened there?
Because there's an illness - maybe that's why I didn't play.
But he also fumbled at the end of the Giants game in a way that
kind of lost them again. Game.
So maybe that's why he didn't get any touch.
He did have four percent of snap so it wasn't like he was
inactive or kind of even like an emergency back.
He was out there a little bit. He just didn't ever touch the
ball so many only play four percent of snaps.
But they, they could be kind of benching Scott over that
egregious fumble, that, you know, ended their last, their
second last. But basically, the last real
drive against the Giants, I think Gail Pretty hard to trust
for the rest of the year just because you know, by this week
probably hurts his back and week 15, Austin Scott will not have
the illness. Might even have Jordan Howard
back. So yeah, that's that's a mess
about about both guys. Like gain well in Rondell where
there isn't. We're excited about them but
there is an even clearer contingent value and that there
could be an injury or someone removed and you you can't
definitively know like, oh my God.
Their role would for sure expand, whereas, like, for if
Damien Harris goes down, we know remind Ray Stevenson is full on
blast off, but that I don't know.
Those guys are such hard projections because the coaches
yank around the usage so much. Yeah, but I like Ben speaks on,
I think Ben's take on Rondell, I agree with.
I mean the 65% that role increase out of the by that's
with Hopkins. Back in the lineup actually
seeing would actually seen Kirk increased a lot in His the point
that that was making about a.j. greens routes are declining.
I noticed that as well and Kirk's was coming up.
So my like like prior entering last week was, we were going to
see a lot of Kirk to see Kirk come down and Rondell come up
after the by I think is really exciting for Rhonda.
I mean, he still probably needs an injury but like if Kirk would
have missed a few games I'm gonna actually do think it's
it's a wide receiver. It's never quite as much of a
blast off situation but it's about as close as you get Yeah,
I was going to say the difference for me with Rondell
and gain. Well, as I feel like the team
signals like Rondell, it does have players ahead of him that
they like but they have been seeming to try to like find ways
to use him. And when Hopkins was out and
green was out, he was in a ton it was a little weird, the
second game Hopkins was out in green was back.
He was down to like really low in your house down but then he
was still low the week after but they get gotten the 11 catches.
You know, they're like manufacturing.
All these short passes form, it seem like they've been trying to
find ways to use it. Gain.
Well, soon as Santa's got hurt. They buried him.
And it's been like they've only use them when they've needed to,
which is like this past week and I, yeah, I mean hurts coming
back, was a good. I thought I could Point by
player, I mentioned in signals this week 2 which was like gank,
the conditions that led to gain was big game.
This week were, first of all, the rush attempts were the
garbage time, all those a care stuff about.
But then also Minshew being in there was a massive change for
running back Target. Remember men she would
Jacksonville for James Robinson like that was beautiful.
He loves throwing the backs, you through the backs, a bunch of In
this game game while had some catches.
So did Sanders had a few and then also, just all the other
running back injuries, right? Scott being sick but Scott will
probably be back and then even Howard might be back.
It's just going to be it's going to be all of the like there's
like three different things that worked in game.
Those favor for last week that probably won't in my opinion.
And, you know, after the back Yeah that's there's a comet.
Michael Dubner saying Rhonda Moore.
This feels way too close to reality that I'm almost
triggered. He says Rhonda Moore is going to
do basically nothing all year. Go nuclear and weight week, 18,
just to boost his ATP by six rounds next year, or just have a
massive playoff in just it'll be a.
Yeah. Beckett, it's, he's so right and
I hate it when he goes nuclear weak 18, we're gonna play him in
the FPC challenge. That is gonna do nothing of the
playoffs. That's it.
That's the rest of it. Oh yeah.
We're gonna get like a 5% like Rondell and we're going to be
like, boys Clancy box? Oh my goodness.
Um, crap, bids bids process that meant to say we spent $900 on
joshjpalmer. I'm sorry, I forgot.
I forgot to tell you guys, you guys have a take on this
joshjpalmer verse Jalen, Guyton divide, that is tearing apart
America right now. Plumber over again, and I don't
even like palmer, but guy completely know, gaytan can turn
targets. Like, I don't understand the
guys in thing, the Gaiden thing is he scored a touchdown last
week and now everyone's excited because everyone's out.
Yeah. He so last year Pat and I've
talked about this before and I think Pat confirm this.
I just said, I thought it was the lowest targets per outrun
and I think Pat confirmed, it was of any qualified receiver,
he was under 10% this year. He is Also under 10% again.
Like this guy can't earn targets.
He's like he had for last week and he had a couple long catches
he's fast or like he is not a guy that is going to ever nice
to me or bird because the mere birdies.
It's empty route. He's just a bird.
If you hit five targets it's like frickin head in a lottery.
So go ahead and play that in DFS or whatever.
Like, have fun. Josh Palmer, has at least a
reasonable. He's a rookie and it's not
great, but he's a he's at 15 percent Target Sprout, run.
And if both those guys Route. He's going to run more, right?
He's not been running as many routes has gotten but you will
in that scenario. And I mean, I think it will be
like, if one of them's out the other one will get a bunch of
Targets in the tight ends because cook and and Harem have
both had pretty decent Target run and they've been running
around. I think they'll do more of the
two tight end stuff. They've you Steven Anderson at
times too, you know, and I'm Yankees healthy but I think the
Eckler, you know, one of the receivers in multiple tight
ends, they get a lot of the targets for him but I have a
hard time seeing guy and having a like just a game at all.
Righty tune in if anyone is running that routes out of the
slot, I mean, maybe it's some Mike Williams, I don't know, but
like Palmer has just such a better chance of that.
He's stalking to Davis about him this morning and he's like 62
210. You know he's got that bigger
frame. You could see him kind of moron
a Keenan Allen style roll. So yeah, guidance going to do
with gaytan does because he just runs in a straight line.
Well, that's why I'm excited about it for DFS because the
Guyton touchdown last week was the ultimate Red herring, you
know, heading into this week. And now everyone's going to want
to just chase that assuming his role is going to be the one that
grows the most so Palmer's looking pretty juicy.
Yeah, the chat also excited about parma's well.
He had 90 yards in a TV last week that's great.
Right. I don't think people realize
that like his role was actually kind of a little bit smaller
last week than it has been at times or I mean certainly didn't
grow. He the point I'm trying to make
us he's been running a ton of routes all year.
This could have happened. And at any point it's not like
something changed and he just got on the field and did
something, right? Like and the dude has 289 yards
on the whole scene we had 90 last week like you got basically
a third of his yards last week. Like you've had a long sample
and all of last year of a guy that doesn't produce yardage
when he runs a lot of Route. So good luck.
Yeah. God put you do it again.
I mean I swear to God this is like this is the perfect
scenario where there's like no shot for him to have a big game
and you'll do it again because that's just what happens.
I'll push back a little bit here.
Right? So one bomber is from Canada
Farmers from Canada. Who ever heard of a good guy?
Like a good NFL player in America who's from Canada?
Right. Never know that like an app is
he has a best community football player of all time whatever
right to to. All right.
So he's having reading this conversation that it's interview
that he gave he lists his favorite Star Wars movie guess
which one it is guess which one it is.
No. I mean not the Phantom.
Yes, it's a fan of - route. No, no, but guess what you want
to do is just guess you can say, I did.
I don't know too many. It's too many, right?
All right. So, I'll give you so heat here
at. He has a tattoo on his leg from
Star Wars. Rogue one, right?
It's a very good movie and it's not his favorite animal, it's
what? This is the guy who you going
with. A little bit mad at the chat
because now we're gonna end up. Dropping Claypool.
All right. Great.
Where is Abbotsford in British Columbia?
What is this? Even a real place?
Get aside. What is this article?
Which was right. It's like it's like the end of
the most recent like, the current Arc.
I guess. I never watched it, though.
It's the know it's episode 3. Oh my God.
God so he's like the Run The Phantom Menace.
Yes guys, we want everyone prequels okay.
Oh I never saw that one, I've never fair.
Well there you go. Well bridge, I think we're
getting ourselves. You better, you better finish is
a clone wars and then Revenge of the Sith.
Yeah, that's that's ring. So, all right Gretch.
But make sure to make sure to watch it before we decide who
were starting. Yeah, I'm gonna have to figure
out what you do with Canada here especially like to fake.
Do people like one from Front one from like Brampton and one
from Abbotsford IV to come on. What do these really fantastic?
First Ontario came after Canada. All right.
Australia. And now you come after Canada, I
mean you're just wiping out like basically every non-american.
I mean, is it just the English Coast speaking country?
Yeah, you're at your your Pakistani right.
How do you what do you feel about the UK?
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So So so, so, Charles himself, I mean, you gotta feel bad for the
guy, right? Like he's like, the, you know,
the British, oh, you know, the pretty the true British blue
blood and, you know, the fact that it's Mary and families, you
can see it in his face, man, and his ears God this water.
He's in bread, is what I'm trying to say.
Yeah, it's 150 years ago, and you guys over here trying to say
good things about the Royals. Come on, you ever watched the
sun? This is America.
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Yeah, so it's only December where.
Yeah, so so this one's actually relevant because fantasy
football and it's actually probably semi-serious.
I might write about at some point, but it's but it's, but
it's like Courtland Sutton is going to be like your Cooper
cop. Kind of like bounce back from
ACL sick. Repair your afterwards next year
and he's going to go probably three years rounds later than
Jerry Judy. So that's going to be really
good. You're not saying Cooper Cup
this year by like Cooper couple couple years ago.
And it came back from the no Cooper Cup this year, right?
So what so what What God did this year is like we're on the
extreme, right? But like last year, a couple is
coming off that AC out there and that's where it took him a while
to get back up to speed and you saw that kind of come on down
the stretch. Absolutely.
So Sutton's of the week when I think he goes in at the 8th or
the key opens, the seventh eighth ninth somewhere there and
he doesn't really rise as much because it's very difficult
who's the quarterback in this in this scenario because got
Stafford. Yeah so cops have got did get
Stafford. So there would have been rumors
of the Broncos kicking around the tires on a bunch of Layers.
DeShaun Watson has actually is a name that has been thrown around
it just on the off-chance. Apparently, Miami was willing to
trade for him. Had he settled all of his
outstanding litigation? The other one that's been
bandied about has probably been Aaron Rodgers as a potential
last gasp kind of area. There's a rumor that they might
try and throw the farm for like Russell Wilson.
So there's a lot of like players or potential upgrades.
You can see there because they're not going to be rolling
with Teddy for that much longer. How awesome would it be with
Courtland sudden with Russell Wilson?
That would be so hot. Yeah, so so like so that's like
my probably only fantasy relevant future future heartache
because because it's going to be seen people like because I mean
this year woods and copper going back to back.
But I think next year, people are going to be really solid and
Sutton to wear like he's gonna go in that like really late
range. I mean, he's not going to slide
to where Kirk was this year but like he's going to be in like a
pretty affordable area. If that makes sense, I could see
him where Marquis Brown and DJ shark or lat, yeah, this
offseason Mm. Yeah.
And kind of where they ended more than that.
Like Moon 10 turn. Yeah and I can see it Rising
too, but I can see it to the point where you're fine going
heavy on him. It was like it was a where we
were on him a couple of years ago, over break a little
overextended and then he got in, you got like kind of
unfortunately got hurt. Yeah, I have the weirdest
Courtland Sutton. I mean people know that, like
with Judy, he's been worse but in the the six games Judy has
missed. I'm trying to get pro football
reference to give me the averages, but it's actually like
good numbers, right? And the six games, Judy has been
active, Cortland sun has not caught more than two passes in
any of them's. Yeah.
That's just like, okay, insane. And then in the six games, he
has been, I think it's six point.
Four catches in 87 yards per game, which is like a really
good mine for a dude. How was the Gap that why'd?
They don't even overlapping, like, Judy, it makes sense.
It makes A sense to some degree where the gaps that wide because
it's just variance because he's Teddy Bridgewater's deep threat
and he's just not going to see a ton of targets most weeks and
he's run bad. Like, there's an effect.
There's an I'm not saying there's no effect.
There is Judy's preventing him from seeing some additional
targets, but like, he has like a, I had a close everything.
So, I can't references a top and is a dots like something like
sixteen point five or something? It's crazy high.
So, and that's what Teddy Bridgewater quarterback.
You're just not going to see that many targets.
I'm, I'm kind of like selling the whole because it has, I
think it's mostly an overly baked in.
I'm selling the whole Judy has killed Sutton's value thing.
I think he's hurt his value to some extent, and he's also run
bad on variance. Yeah.
And that's a, the beauty of the of data here, right?
Is that you can use it to tell, whatever story you kind of want
to dub but like, but like, realistically, what what, what
bad saying is true, because you still getting volume You still
seeing their yards, he just runs around bad.
Like, I mean, you can say, whatever you it is.
You want to say, like, Judy kill them or whatever, right?
Or like, I mean, also, think of even peek Russell Wilson last
year with locket and Metcalf, and the narrative was not even
both of those guys could go off at the same game.
Now, you introduced and even better running game, a better
tied in and that offense I mean it's not that shocking that all
those guys can't go off with an inferior quarterback.
Yep. Sure, the way this is a great
matchup for deeper deep passing. So I mean, I'm hungry the
Broncos this week against the Detroit Lions.
Yeah, the Lions. The Lions have the second
highest rate of 15 plus yard pass has allowed.
Only the Jets are higher. So this is a really nice matchup
for D passing. I mean, I'm excited for
something to then have a good game.
But the, the, I mean, I agree with basically everything you
said, except for the part where, like, again, the the I just want
to emphasize the size of the Gap.
Like, he averaged, six, Two catches 9.2 targets.
Yes, never had more than six targets.
He was averaging more catches than his highest number of
targets. When you look at the split which
I again, I don't think it has to do with Judy all that much.
I mean, it has to do with him somewhat, but like, he's not
even getting targeted, that's my point.
Was that? He hasn't does that more than
two catches in these games, like four of the six games, he has
three or fewer targets three or two Targets like he's, it's
weird. He was averaging 100 catch
fourteen hundred yard pays in those other games and then
suddenly he's just not even getting anything like that has
amassed. It's insane Gap.
I've never seen splits like it in my life and it doesn't it's a
low. That it's a low volume passing
attack though. It's a quarterback that we know
is not going to be necessarily supporting a deep option.
I'm not saying there's an effect.
There is definitely an effect here.
Like there's the samples just and but I'm kind of arguing
against like what I feel is sort of a market sentiment that's
like, Sutton's dead Judy's. The the option in the passing
game now and I just don't think that's true.
That's not true, right? It's just weird that she's a
weird fucking split, right? Yeah.
It'd be interesting to know like
if if Judy's out does Sutton then become more of that
underneath Target. Like as he relegated to only a
deep role as long as Judy is in the game, you know, I mean
Bridgewater even when like when Sutton bald I mean, he had a
pretty big a DOT, right? I mean he was always getting
used to it, but yeah, he had a games like 280 are yards or
something. Like they're just checking him
default, but I think, what is right to dissent to is having
like some 14 Target games? He had a 14-10 game, 12 Target
11 targets. Those who are all deep shots
that he was getting some underneath right to she's not
getting, but it's still like, I don't know.
It just Judy's. Not even doing well right now.
Either is yeah. Right, like Judy came in and is
getting 12 targets again, but what the fuck has happened?
Well, yeah, that is definitely something that you Could see
turning around though, with a quarterback change like that.
Would make a big difference. Yeah.
For sure. Yeah.
Dubner bringing up a conversation.
That was a Hot Topic around the fantasy water.
Cooler after what was it. Sunday Night Football, woke up.
Lots of debates about Javonte Williams being the 102.
That was a very popular take was also getting some pushback.
Where is our panel at on Javonte Williams?
102 next year, I assume Melvin Gordon is not within this
picture. Yeah, I mean, obviously, it's an
over reaction. The Christian McCaffrey would
be, you know, clearly, the 102 I think over guy, like Javonte
Williams. We don't know for sure what the
receiving role is going to be. With Javonte Williams, certainly
is projections, like, an extremely exciting type of
player, but like, look at where Jonathan Taylor went this year,
you know, like you can't just pencil in someone for, you know,
who just split Target or split snaps with Melvin Gordon all
year and met again this week. Yeah.
Just Them in for like an 85 90 % of snaps role.
And in, unless we can really feel confident that he's going
to get a bunch of targets which we probably shouldn't, even
though he look great as a receiver last week and he does
pretty well in Euros per hour on the season but it's a lot of
projection and that's not really what the 102's for so so 12
turnpike right now, I think and that's awesome like that's
that's that and that I don't know.
Maybe you guys would even push back on that but that's kind of
how I said. Oh I'm not A pushback but if you
take bats argument and then you switch out the oven Gordon for
naheem Hines. And and and Davonte billions for
Jonathan Taylor is like the same discussion that people are
having all offseason. I think, I think, I think the
argument there was, it's fun to overreact to Island games,
right? Hey Kai.
Think it's genuinely fun to overreact Island games.
I mean, every time Byron Pringle was on the field, I was I can
tell you for a fact, guys. I I was celebrating just
personally like just Byron Pringle just being on the field
but yeah, like Sonic like yeah. But then well, I don't know, man
is baked in like, I mean, look, I love Javonte Williams.
But yeah, yeah, I want to push back a little bit on cavorting
with Jonathan Taylor. I mean, yeah.
No, it's not the same right? Yeah.
Hi. I like to know I agreed with
your take Pat and I like Lawrence has taken the chat
about him being more Antonio Gibson because you could hang
your hat and I assume this is what you're going to say bed on
a much better Prospect profile with Jonathan Taylor where you
if you're making. The 102 case for Javonte.
It is very heavily volume driven and what's the whole thing.
We've learned around here that we shouldn't do is try to
project. Volume definitively is
especially in ambiguous situations like a rookies.
Roll growing. Yeah, yeah.
And running back. Do you guys have a head of
Javonte? I mean, I don't even think CMC
hydrogen Monday. Is that clear?
Yeah, I'm a bear that on TMC as well.
I think that's like very, very cool.
It has thawed. Say earlier you're just wrong.
No, no I think that's, I think that's extremely clear.
Like, he's still very young, you know, we just give me like 26.
He's not like very young but he's gonna be young enough.
He's got this insane receiving role, I think Eckler like you
know, he got the touchdown work this year, like there's just
enough guys wear You know, you're getting the receiving for
sure. And then they, if we're going to
do the projection game, which I love the Antonio Gibson this
year and I'm very happy to do, that's like, you know, these
young guys who they have crazy talent and look, I'd like a
mulligan on the Antonio Gibson stuff personally.
Well sure. Sure sure.
But I'm saying, if you want to do that, we don't do it there.
We do it in the second round. That's what the second rounds
for. Yeah.
That's, you know, but there's I think it's fair enough from the
sense. Of like a going to your to we
had a great rookie year and stuff but actually Blair you
done a ton of work on youth like age right he was a 21 year old
rookie running back like what? Like give us the bull case on
Javonte. Yeah, I mean the bull case is
that guy's with his profile? I mean, you know, he doesn't
have as good a profile as Taylor, obviously, but guys who
do what he did as a rookie who have that kind of profile coming
out, tend to see a huge jump in here too.
So I mean if you're kind of playing The numbers from that
perspective, you want to bet on these guys.
But yeah, I mean, even Antonio Gibson didn't didn't have those
same signals necessarily. So let me get some saying that
offers a college Prospect, but he wasn't like, yeah, well, he
was a better Prospect and a. Yeah.
I mean, I'm just saying that I would definitely have Williams
ahead of CMC or Eckler, or those guys, but I'm saying about the
Swift. Yes, raft.
Yeah, I mean, much rather, right.
I think well I think that's clear.
I think I think it's worth debating.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Also depends on the quarterback, right?
You know. Yeah, I'm not convinced on
Eckler II. Think talking about this.
I probably got a like Taylor and CMC and then and then Swift.
Those are the ones that I feel the most comfortable should be
ahead of Javonte. Who do you have is like the
quarterback for the Panthers n, right?
Because like because like that's like kind of you your honor.
You just think that it'd be worse.
It can't be worse and I actually wonder if rule.
Do you think there's any chance? Rule gets fired.
Like, broadly. Yeah, probably.
But like, but like, I guess whole regime change.
Hey sweet that Almost Doesn't Matter like having a having a
bad quarter back for a pass. Catching running back.
Almost almost help. It's almost fine.
Yeah, it's almost you almost prefer to like, I don't know,
you'd probably rather have it then like the homes back there
or something. I mean.
Yeah. Like you guys looked at cmc's
game walk recently. Yeah, yeah.
It means that he got hurt in like he has only twenty-four
plus PP our points. And then we had one game against
New England. This year was at 14. .6.
Who like? That's so bad.
A necessity 90 points like he did.
His workload is massive. It just like that.
Workload is so lock for 20-plus every single week.
We're hoping to get 20 and average, right?
Let's also talk about nausea Harris.
Who's like getting ridiculous work, he probably sucks, but
he's not like he sucks. So Soft is a bad.
I shouldn't have said that because he doesn't suck at
everything. He just sucks.
A lot of things. He's like, she's everything that
matters. Piece of fit know not everything
that matters. He's a sufficient receiver and
he's like I don't know. He's not like insanely non
elusive. He just has no Breakaway
ability. He's fancy-son Richardson he's
like James Conner, right? He's like can see.
Travis Richardson is Savage but I love them.
Yeah, I've been comparing him to Eddie Lacy before he got fat and
that's kind of how I still do whatever - and every time you
make the comparison you go but nobody.
He was good for a while. Anyway.
She was very productive. You better pass catcher than
Eddie Lacy and release it was a pretty solid pass katrien quick
feet like I don't think so. I think Eddie Lacy my the better
pass catcher be honest I've got but they, you know, it's
compared it's comparable. Yeah, I think you know to with
that workload if they get any kind of quarterback upgrade,
it's a rare thing to get that kind of workload.
I hate when I don't feel great about the prospect I hate to
just A guy one of these rare workloads and like that's why I
wasn't in onaji entering the season and we never really see
these running backs. Like even when they get it, it's
rare for them to actually live up to its a Kwanzaa.
The only one who's really gonna and delivered an incredible
season. So I'm fine.
Like, you know, I've actually feel totally fine about being
out on IG entering the season. It's come in that everything.
People thought he might get. In terms of workload, they were
almost under estimating a little bit.
And so now that we know that We should be pretty excited about
him entering your to I think, even though he doesn't have any
Breakaway speed. Yeah.
That's I mean, but that that's kind of the issue, right?
Because because the fish, yeah, it does.
But the thing is to, I mean, how many, how many running back
starting running backs right now in the league even have that
Jonathan Taylor Breakaway speed, right?
There's not even a ton of them and that's why I'm saying to
Pat's Point. Like, it's not bad that nah, she
doesn't have that because he's going to make up for it, with,
with volume and in other ways. Like think about where nausea is
going to be priced on DraftKings next year.
Like most of the year he's probably priced like 7,500 maybe
like eight thousand and you know what I mean?
Like you're gonna have to pay like weekly.
You're probably going to pay a lot to put nausea in your
lineup. Which one of them?
Is he ever going to get 9k running back?
You're saying he's like a floor plan.
He could be. He could he would be a 9k
running back. Yeah.
You can't rule that out.
Just because the volume in the receiving and we saw a huge.
We saw a huge Huge ceiling Target or targets dealing with
him, and that, what was it 17 targets?
I mean, obviously, he's come way way down as routes are down.
They clearly are reconsidering that whole idea, but it's, it's
certainly possible. This is a good question from
Andrew. And, you know, we get komara
likely coming back this week against the Jets.
He has his come, our stock dead or do.
We still think there's juice there?
If the Saints add actual NFL caliber players around him.
How, how we framing Alvin Kamara?
In this kind of, you know, Dynasty running back stock
conversation. All right.
Sorry, Ben go ahead with the same top I was gonna say that I
was really concerned about taysom Hill thrown to the backs
and what one thing I want to know, broadly is like I just
noticed it Sam, hopin does some awesome stats stuff?
Helps me with some sad stuff. Ty Montgomery being classified
as a receiver has been a little bit confusing because he has, if
he was a receiver for most of them.
Beginning the year, these last two weeks, he spent almost all
the snaps in the back field. If you go look like it's not
distribution like earlier he wasn't playing the backfield at
all. It hasn't been like a hybrid
thing. You don't want position the
other basically but these last couple weeks he has been almost
a running back. He's been there pass catcher and
he's got like 12 targets. And especially this past week,
he got seven and Ingram got a pair in the game where taysom
Hill was quarterback. I thought that was kind of a
positive sign that Hill through to the running backs 9 times.
They don't have a lot of receivers last year Hill was
thrown on me. Well, Thomas a bunch.
So Chimera comes back this week, you know, just noting
Montgomery's targets, came out of the backfield in basically in
the role the high routes roll out of the backfield that
Chimera obviously operates in. And so yeah, I mean Chimera
definitely still has seven Target upside.
If Montgomery just did it last week, was for like, short-term.
That's just a note that I want to make.
Also, you get the Jets. I mean, come on.
Yeah, they're gonna run the offense through them, they kind
of have to, right? Yeah.
Um, Did you sort of broadly, this is a little bit more for
Africa, from a future perspective.
I also think that like Chimera is like this situations a little
unchanged, right? Like, I mean, what made, what
what made you Andres trip. So exciting where we were
getting him in the third, right? Like kind of bass catching
ability. Good, Breakaway speed, you know,
you can't answer them in for a decent rushing and receiving
workload. Like that's kind of feels like
we're, we're going to get the Chimera and people are going to
be out on him because you got hurt.
I don't think I would caution with Chimera before.
He went down, before he got hurt.
He was not popping in anything except yards per hour on.
And this is a guy previously who was Poppy and stuff like The
elusive rating Breakaway percentage because he was an
incredible Runner. And when you see that start to
come down, like it's not that if you had never come back but
You're just kind of its like, there's a head win there, for
sure. You're expecting a guy's
explosiveness, as a runner to come back at like age 27.
I don't like that bet. Now, you're still getting the
receiving, but, I mean, to me, it's like you kind of want to
keep the price. Yeah.
Doubt that Batman. That's a great point.
I didn't know that. I mean, that reminds me a little
bit of, like, chasing. I don't know why it's Chris
Johnson popped into my head, but like, that was an explosive
Runner. That like once he started losing
it like you could. Yeah.
Still was effective at times and he still got volume like with
the Cardinals like this career and stuff, but he was never the
same guy, you know. Yeah.
Like if you're a Laura, if Chimera ends up being Zeke from
this year, then you're going to be pretty.
Yeah, will be absent goes quick, but I mean goes really quick,
right? You see these guys like the
young guys like Taylor and Swift come into the top five, but
that's because the older guys are dropping out.
They just fall off a cliff like that.
So, you know, guys, like you happens all the time.
Stuff. Yeah.
Like Aaron Foster's, like incredible.
And then like two years later, he's an afterthought like it's
just, it goes beyond bellary's. Usually are still 29 today,
David Johnson. Yeah, it's not always
complimentary but injuries usually don't help like this
comment from rolling back. That gets injured usually.
Makes it harder for them to yeah, stay Elite this car from
Lawrence. He's a guy loses magical.
Is this game when he loses a step?
Like I get what he's trying to say.
It's kind of a hard. Comment Tu parles.
But like there's certain backs that are just like a half a step
better than you, like they're relying on efficiency.
I think this is the point of trying to make with Chris
Johnson like he was always the what made him special was the
fact that he could just take a run to the house from 70 yards
out, he had that extra gear, you can turn the corner and soon as
he lost that is like he's just a dude, you know, he doesn't have
any doubts about going to run over anybody.
There's nothing else there and I think that's sort of the case
with Chimera to probably. We're like once you lose, he's
always been really efficient as a runner, Anna.
Receiver look like fancy points over.
Shouldn't stuff like that. You lose that hecklers that way.
So known as Echo starts to lose it, we're going to be like whoa
there's probably not a lot here. Mmm Zeke the gravest on a break
outrage Zeke lost it. But Zeke still has like a shit
ton of carries at the goal line and stuff like he's a little
different like you can still be somewhat productive even when he
starts, he can lose three steps and still be somewhat viable,
which is sort of annoying. But it's different for backs
like Z than it is for backs like Camaro.
So so I'm sorry. Say I'm sorry to bring this
conversation back. To see him.
See. But, but I, I was curious about
like, hey, what I'm trying to set you up here for the DMS and
I spelled it all wrong. Yeah, I was, I was really
confused. No, you were dming about what we
picked up, I thought you're going to share with the people.
I was hoping I was hoping you could let him know but we won so
we create. So we won Los Angeles Chargers.
$14, let's fucking go against the Giants.
I mean, come on and then we won. We won jamychal Hasty for woo.
3935. Yeah, do we start him over Z
naught? Realizes we started?
We're starting our you start. You bet on Talent you've been on
Talent, you bet you exactly. So he's only, I mean, I mean,
look, the only, the only Talent we genuinely see from Zeke is
like, the ability to put away like six.
Pumpkin pies, man like, yeah, he's out.
Yeah, don't apologize. Yeah, I do.
Is no just to bring this back. Only reason I wanted to go back
to CMC is because I didn't want to ask like about how is like
auxiliary metrics are going because from an f b0 e
perspective. He's not having like a good year
to where you think like his numbers versus like last year
even on a per game basis. A pretty like low this year and
I don't know if that's because you tried playing through injury
or something, but he's that mean he's looking a lot more like
gesture dude than you would think.
Hey. Like he, like, he genuinely
well-run among running backs. So, you know, he doesn't right
lane is haddock on a per game basis or like, I mean, her
route, I mean per hour basis, okay.
I mean, do you think that's a little bit skewed because he's
only run like seven routes because he's always hurt like,
like is that like a dominant? I'll pull up his symbol his
sample. Yeah.
If you wouldn't mind that, I appreciate that, I mean, the
only the only, the only reason I'm bringing it early strand of
fights. MC a little bit is because is
because these are progress doesn't like it when you say
you're trying to. Yeah, I know.
But he said Christian McCaffrey yeah because because because I
think that there's a go that way I mean did you see the GQ cover
huh fight what I got beat, you said that twice.
But no 5 but every day. Yeah.
Because because I've because
like the Only the only reason I'm bringing this up is because
there's probably a one-to-one or at least close to a one-to-one
here with CMC and sake one, right?
Because you can take one seemed to be back on track until like
he had that ankle injury and it just never been the same.
So I wanted to get your guys's takes because if we're talking
about, you know, the consensus 101 and the former 1011 of very
out on the sequence, done take, I think this a Kwanza.
Yeah, it's wrong. It's just straight up wrong.
I've watched some of these games for to do, Like, I've had to
blurb some Giants games, I'm way behind on the video.
So, enjoy the Islamic, was that what I said?
Anyone that was when you were trying to fuck her stomach a.
Yeah, yeah. So I think the sequence done
take his Bat, first of all, he leads the league in Breakaway
percentage. He's yeah, he's made some really
nice place. He looks elusive out there.
When I watch him, I'm like, he looks like say Quan he's left
with an ankle injury. They worked him back in from an
ACL tear. He came back off an ACL tear
this year and he's still playing.
And pretty well and there you could see a coaching upgrade Joe
judge looking likely to get fired.
Obviously, if ready kitchens gets renewed, his the o.c. we're
not going to be back in but there's like outs to him having
a much better situation. Potentially quarterback changed.
I mean that's at least an option, right?
I think that if we're getting him it that what the two?
Three turn, maybe sign me up card please.
I also just wanted to say, I don't think Chris I agree with
what Pat said but Berkeley has risk baked in because he's like
another one of these players that we have to rely on for
efficiency, basically, right? Like McAfee is Marshall Faulk.
Like every time he plays, he has the thousand thousand, you know,
Season potential. All this dude has to do is stay
healthy for 16 games. Again at some point and he's
going to be a top three running back period full stop.
That literally just has to stay healthy.
It's just a question of I don't--there's.
I don't see any like he's an elite route, Runner.
He's a different player than any other running back.
I'd like, that's my take, at least.
I don't think it's the same as Berkeley.
I think it's the same as any other running back.
I think he's a receiver. Like a literal wide receiver
like a Wes Welker and then it also a good running back.
Yes. Different.
They kind of use them like a late releasing slot receiver
like some of the routes they were doing from early in season
was so cool. I keep come across the field
from the back. He wouldn't be in the slot.
He'd come out of the backfield and then run like a slant across
the middle yet. It was like, let's check down
Route. That Donald was looking to make
right would come open right when he was looking to do the check
like it was. Yeah, I mean Brady's gone.
So we're not going to get that kind of cool stuff probably but
like I agree. I mean his skill set is that of
a receiver? He has a 2.91 yards per outrun
which is off the charts and he's run.
It's, it's crazy. Good.
Yeah do I look like I'm 12 .91 yards per hour on this year?
This is, I mean it's about asking about like the
denominator issue because it just sounds like that's high and
I guess like he's run 118 routes which isn't a ton but like
Patterson Cordell Patterson this year's around 179.
So it's not like he's run, you know, that that many less than I
mean, Patterson's I think a fair comparison, right?
Alvin cameras, run 181, been banged up regulars, run 312, so
that would be like a full sample, right?
It's not like the most full sample ever, but like, he's
leading all running backs like he's not done.
He's still doing what we think. He's the lead out.
Blair, I'm gonna love it off season where I get to be
somehow, the only High guy and Christian McCaffrey, I'll just
tell you right now. I'm going to be for the only
High guy been. Well yeah, I was kicking me off
the bandwagon. Actually be then you should say,
Christian McCaffrey and wipe your hands of it because I like,
I think that there's that there's probably more downside
risk for him at that point. I mean, obviously the one or
two, right? Like where you're going to get
ideas, like oh, what if we actually get a quarterback who's
actually willing to throw down the field, right?
Because because the Panthers have lost games in service of
getting Christian McCaffrey to a thousand thousand.
Like there are bad habits from Donald and Cam Newton where he
just for It's feed CMC targets and he goes no way, he'll catch
the ball and go through yards and get hitting like about at
the line of scrimmage and it'll happen again and again and
they're going to punt. And then the next time you look
up the Panthers are losing the game, right?
So, at some point, this team should try and win football
games which it isn't doing. And and David Tepper is not
going to be pretty happy with how this works out.
Yeah, I just think every every year of his career is over eight
yards a catch like yeah even to live Four years in a row which
like that League average during back is like six.
Like no one's throwing check nouns to Christian McCaffrey
gets tackled the line of scrimmage.
He's running option routes and what I want coverage against the
linebacker. Like patches describe,
basically, Wes Welker airing it in out routes, and getting open
and then turning up fuel. 47 yards.
Like, yeah, it's their passing, he's an asset.
These not a liability? Yeah, he helps the team, he
helps the team, he's really good at football.
What if that's not? What does it take?
I believe he's Christian McCaffrey Australian is this
way. Yeah, Canadian we need to figure
out which non-american English-speaking countries, even
if they bring in the quarterback, that can push down
field, and TJ Morris, a great season.
And all those things. He's still gonna be there, slot
receiver underneath that moves, the chains, and they go to on
third down, because he wins in one-on-one coverage.
Like they have, if they have quarterback Seaver, if they have
a quarterback who can push the ball down field, he could have
like 30 fantasy points per game next year, that's good for him,
because if they're pushing the ball downfield, it's going to
open up stuff underneath, like he's and he's been in the
Terrible. He's had Sam.
Donald Teddy Bridgewater Cam Newton with his arm falling off.
These have been his quarterbacks, like, we should
be. We should be like viewing the
upside from here, not the downside.
He's out with injuries throughout the last two years,
his receiving role with a new coaching staff did not change at
all and the NFL like they're going to just copy whatever the
guy's deal is McCaffrey, it's like you're taking over as you
know, if role isn't back. But whoever ends up coordinating
the offense. It's just going to look at
McCaffrey go. Yeah.
We give him all the touches. He, it's used to ton in the
receiving game that I'm not going to break this.
I'm not I don't want to be seen as the guy who didn't get it.
So I'm going to do what everyone else did like it's working don't
you know, don't mess with it. It's kind of the way most of
these NFL situations go. Hassan so so I mean so it's
actually it was actually I mean like I'm going to ask if there's
like a cause and effect going on here, right?
Like the cause being because you have a bad quarterback, is he
getting a lot like a ton of these targets, right?
And that's where like we don't have that as an answer, right?
Like that's like, that's what I'm saying.
That's where the downside risk is baked into, right?
Like it's II like I know the rest of it but what I'm saying
is is there's like a very real possibility, it's DJ more plus,
Robbie Anderson. Right?
Like who are going to be what it is?
Maybe. I mean, there's Marshalls sucks,
but like maybe they decide to make him like this lot guy or
whatever like you like, there's a lot of uncertainty from the
future that you that, that like I wanted to push back on if only
because they stay, you know, you talked about this, a dedicated
slot roll, but maybe they decide to curtail his role, maybe they
see, like giving him this incredible workload, is why he's
getting hurt and they see him as an asset.
So maybe yeah. Like maybe like he's still part
of the reason that you get there, but his bigger They're
going to be a lot more spotty, right?
Like I understand why you wanted to see the upside there, but I'm
saying that the downside risk there is real to where you can't
necessarily have them as just like pencil him as like, the one
or two and then call it because that's like assuming that you're
right. Right.
And then I just s you go all in with Christian McCaffrey route
like whenever you get him at one or two and then you're wrong
then it's like, well well so that's why I like the pic so
much is that I don't even think you need to be right?
Because if you're right he should have been the 101.
Like clearly should have been the one to one because he's
Gonna have a bigger role than Taylor and you're betting on
Taylor's, just to sustain this, you know, historic run that he's
on which like I don't want to bet against, but it's, you know,
you need him to be really, really efficient, whereas
McCaffrey, if he gets the workload were thinking about, he
should have been the 101, and if he doesn't, he still probably
getting like 1819 expected points per game.
It should have been the one of six like, oh, no.
That's so what. How do you, how do you view
that? Because I feel I'll like it.
That was a similar, you know, risk-reward proposition.
We were making with say Quan this year, you know, where it's
like if he's fully healthy in the volumes there, you should be
the 102 now. I mean, if you redraft this
season like where should say Quan go, third fourth round like
is that even being generous like so we're we're on that Spectrum
has the say Quan stuff hit. Well, I mean, the sake want
stuff. We also had the risk of the
bacon, the risk of, you know, his role getting increased post,
ACL tear and you also the stuff with Sake One like, does he
sprained his ankle? Because right before he sprained
his ankle, he looked like he was about to go on a run so it's
like that's the type of stuff where like if he doesn't
sprained his ankle, knowing what we know about just like how bad
the Giants offense is going to be like He's probably, he should
probably be like, the 210, like he should still be like,
drafted, pretty highly based on, you know, I don't know.
I guess I'm assuming kind of a world in which he the
healthiness we were not viewing him.
Like we're viewing him right now because I'm out on the narrative
that he's done. I think the narrative that he's
done is really driven by the fact that he sprained his ankle.
Yeah, Switching gears. Blair I know you wrote in the 0r
B watch about The Seahawks backfield this week.
I feel like they're one of the more interesting backfields
right now. Obviously Rus looking better,
this offense could greatly improve.
We know Pete, Carroll loves to fucking rely on the Run game.
If people are trying to mine this backfield for Fantasy
production, down the stretch, do you have any liens?
Yeah, Eileen Penny. You know I think seeing him
finish the whole game, healthy is a good sign and it seems like
that's who Seattle wants to use if they could write.
I mean I know Peterson got more carries but I don't think he's a
long-term solution there so I would expect to see Penny.
Get even get worked in even more.
So he would be it'd be where I have go and really outside of
him. I don't have much interest in.
Yeah, Seahawks, yeah. Alex Collins was limited.
Today, in practice. I mean, he was a, he was a
healthy scratch last week, right?
So, how do you envision that split this week as far as
Peterson verse verse penny? Because Peterson got a ton of
carries. What are not a ton but he was
just incredibly inefficient. Was he like ten to twenty?
Six like 11 416. It was like what he has off
Harry but yeah. Yeah, and now they hate is
incredibly plush matchup against the Texans.
For sure. Yeah, I mean, I don't expect
Peterson to get that many carries.
We saw Penny also take his one target, 27 yards.
I want to say so if he's looking explosive on a lot of the plays
he's involved in, you know coaches, remember that stuff?
You'd see him get more involved. Yeah.
Any any Seattle takes here guys. I like the Pentagon for sure.
Yeah, I'm excited about Penny. I was looking around.
He wasn't available in any spot where I could add it but because
people have been stashing him and know.
Michael managers are let me have Richard Penny ever.
Like I was looking at him in our, in the FBG and it looks
like we couldn't add him because we dropped him in week 12 or
something. Yeah, I mean I would but it's
Like I think I don't know where I'm in the show, but like the
amount of times that we've hiked this dude, up in the mountains,
his head is like in a tent Infinity ratio, right?
Like nothing's ever happened like and we've talked about in
50 times, but you do have to look at like, where we're at now
and where we're at? Now is the Seattle.
Back Field is completely Barren. They're turning to Adrian
Peterson. He looks worse than you could
have even guessed. He looked you look so fucking
bad. The pain of usage wasn't great.
You know Homer ran a couple more routes but They run some routes,
he got one green zone touch, but Peterson, got four and Homer got
to I mean it's seven. Greenzo touches the only given
one the depending which drove me a little nuts but you know Pete
Carroll saying he made the game, okay, they're going to like like
he's the obvious answer to like like who could be valuable in
this backfield, it's not Peterson.
It's not Homer who, you know, is, you know, scoring long
touchdowns on punt, fake puns. But other than that is, he's a
two-minute drill back. I mean, there's no one like
Collins had 100 yard game. Perlier.
But he's looked like dust for like a month now.
Since that Steelers game, where he look pretty good I mean do
you think the way that seems similar at all to kind of the
waveform and got installed? Also with Peterson?
It's like the first Peterson played ahead of them and then
yeah it's kind of like that it makes you a better bike.
A it is what we're saying. Oh our other option is Adrian
Peterson, your it. Go get them.
Exactly. Yeah, it makes me a little bit
more bullish on a potential role growth.
Just because, like, they have to be seeing what we saw.
And also another team just saw, we saw to the point that they
got them. Yes, poor digitalis custom above
then Deniz is name. By the way, we were basking on
Trevor Lawrence earlier and I think that's what my internet
was really lagging. I wanted to just throw up
throughout a little quiz for you since 2019, you guys name the
quarterbacks that have been less efficient in EPA per play than
Trevor Lawrence. Rookie quarterbacks None Zak
Willis and probably but that's about to not do this, Chris
isn't yes. Jack Wilson this year.
Yes, that's that's okay, but that's one of the blue and then
it's one of the three, there's three including Zach Wells.
The other two are in this year. So it's the other two are not
this year, okay? And you said it goes back home,
two years, two years just to 2019.
So yeah, 20, 20 days was to show you guys are in that year.
First, first round, okay. Josh Islands, probably one of
them more efficient. Fantastic.
That's Wayne Hoskins was doing. Haskins was less efficient, but
more accurate by completion. Percentage ever expected?
Oh my God. Rosin rosin.
Rosin was was less efficient and less actor.
He's the only one who was less, efficient and less active and
that's it. Everyone else is more efficient
and more accurate than Trevor. Lawrence has been It how how
much our can we assign? I really want to sign more.
Blaine Moore blame on Urban Meyer's.
I just I want. Yeah I mean I'm going to be a
bit is genuinely. Very funny saying, you know,
this guy whoever has been hyping up just looks like dust.
You think it's? I think there's there's there's
more bits to be mined there. They're not get it for back
violations. We're just not yet.
That's actually one of the things I'm most interested
myself about like I've been on that train.
We can Can't do this very well for a couple years now but then
I was like this this class is like a store quarterback class
like we should, we should bake that into like our, why did I do
that? We have bad at it.
We are not good at it doesn't just hurt.
Hey, but like, I get it, but so I just do the thought
experiment. I know this is is cliche but
Trevor Lawrence with Belichick? Yeah.
And he's tagged Jones in trouble.
I mean my sword is. It Trevor Lawrence?
Absolutely fucking balling out with the pass right now.
A hundred percent. I think he probably is done
pretty well depends, but Max is like stuck in and completion.
Percentage. Over expected this year?
No, I get that again. That's why I'm trying to
untangle it because I did use Wonder Urban Meyer, he would be
trying to throw a left handed Patty.
I mean, I mean, did you guys read the article where like a
Shanahan says something about like wanting Mac Jones at 103
and then he walked it back like he like immediately when I like
an apology tour kind of like like like I thought I thought
that was an interesting thing for him to have done like he
made like an offhanded comment where he was like yeah you know
we wanted Mac Jones or whatever but you know like he's like he's
trying to like absolve himself of blame there.
Like, I was curious if you guys think I'll Shanahan can actually
survive this level of mistake. If a freelance is not like
particularly good like 33 first level mistake warm but not being
a great quarterback class. Like I think pretty objectively
you already have to say that like to some degree.
It's failed because they traded a con to move up.
There was also talk. They didn't know who the pick
was even going to be. Then you could say oh well they
they did think it was going to be lanced all along but then
they haven't played him. Asshole rookie year.
And I think that's a crazy for how much traffic Apple they gave
up. He's not going to get fired
because like coaches, get this type of, you know, he's on
drafted. Lance are going to find out if
Lance is good next year, but I think you're writing a song like
a lance has a bad year next year.
Shannon's party fired after 2022.
Think she hasn't even given himself a chance yet to see if
he's right or not. That's what's so weird.
I think, at this point, he doesn't want to because I.
Yeah, I mean he's not It's still Rob Lowe, but he's playing
pretty well. So why would then you're
probably making the playoffs, the graph.
So it. Yeah, that but then that brings
up the issue, which is like, all right.
So what's wrong with your internal evaluation to where you
felt the need to go spend three first on this guy, right?
It's this isn't II see the parallels or a lot of people
calling this, like the Mahomes v v, Alex Smith diet like, you
know, type of stuff. But like the bigger difference
in the issue there is that Mahomes.
Probably had more bass attempts and like one season at Texas,
like Texas Tech, then like Freelancers had his entire, like
Collegiate Gore, and that also worked out really well because
that's like the number-one Smith and all these things but also
like Mahomes won the MVP, the very next year so you didn't
really have to answer a lot of questions but if you if we look
at this in hindsight like we have to say what like
unequivocally and I was in the camp, they should just roll with
Alex Smith that year because Smith was playing pretty well.
I thought No, rather than go to a rookie at the.
There's people saying they need to go to Mahomes That season,
gave him more upside unequivocally.
Now, I think you have to look back and say they made a
mistake, not playing Bachelor homes in his rookie season, they
went to the playoffs that year and similar to the Niners if
Lance is Mahomes in the future, that we're going to look back
and say they went to the playoffs that year, they
squandered an opportunity when Jimmy Garoppolo didn't get them
out of the first round. Just like Alex Smith in that
season when they had this other quarterback who could have been
that they could have won the Super Bowl that year.
That's right over here you can unequivocally Ali though, like
you can say, it's probable. I know.
Okay, I quickly is a little bit.
Dramatic. You're right.
Because you don't know how much, you know, yes, he won the MVP.
But after sitting the year after like getting in the second
offseason like maybe that ultimately I tend to think that
you're right and that they should have played them like
that seems like rather obvious but like to play Devil's
Advocate on it like it could have been the case that the plan
actually was very beneficial for Mahomes like, that's Possible.
I mean is it the take? It seems like most smart people
agree that obviously quarterbacks most important
position football team should be taking more stabs on these guys
and stockpiling them and trying to hit on a generational
quarterback. However Shanahan falls in love
with these guys and gives up all this draft Capital to move up
and completely wipes out the edge of stockpiling.
These guys is, it isn't that kind of the dilemma here, like
grabbing a guy. Clan that cost isn't bad but you
know, you know, selling the farm off to get him and then not
playing him. Doesn't make sense, right?
Exact. But it's only what it's it's
week, we're entering week, 14 of a guy's rookie year, like, the
idea that they haven't played them, you know.
Yeah. They haven't played him a ton in
his rookie year but he's getting a lot out of Garoppolo right now
and there is a comment about how Shanahan's a fake sharp.
Like I don't think he's like a true kind of Football Genius but
Is not a fake sharp. I mean, he's Jimmy garoppolo's,
not great. He's not like, he's like he's
probably worse than Kirk Cousins, right?
And he's getting, he's playing extremely efficiently this year
and the Shannon system, the Shanahan system works.
I think it's a well-designed system.
I think he's, he's got his weaknesses, but like, he can get
really good play out of kind of whatever quarterbacks.
So he's not a picture to put to put the Pete's point.
Then he could have sat at 12 and drafted, Mac jumps.
If you can get whatever he wants out of.
Yeah, we're back. But the issue is the trading all
of that draft. Yeah.
Not even having a plan for, who the fuck he just drafted, like
what ya know if he had a plan, he's a liar.
I mean the guy's clearly looking like well, he pointed out a plan
all along and then he felt embarrassed about how in on he
in on trail and she wasn't the get-go and had to make it look a
little complaint. You're not playing during I mean
the plan regarding after picking him they're still playing Jimmy
Garoppolo in week 15 like what the fuck.
What does that? Doesn't make any sense?
It look I'm a draft Capital that in like just You quarterback in
2022, understands the worst class and they're like, whatever
else, there's probably other reasons, but like what, you're
not even playing in this year, it's one of his four years of
his rookie contract. Like, you just accelerating this
clock to where you're going to have to give a mega extension if
he's good. It's like don't.
And we also just us to Seattle like as Andrew mentioned and
it's it's like to is it part of when you're drafting Trail ants,
like if he was a fully fleshed-out Prospect, he goes
one-on-one right? Like If he has all the tools
that you need, then he's the one pick, he's a project which is
why he went where he went isn't the point of a project to get
him out there and work out the Kinks and work through that.
Knowing that the payoff if he does turn into a Justin Herbert
or Josh Allen is massive, like I thought that was the thesis of
the play. Yeah.
So beat I'm going to agree with you especially because they had
that four-game losing streak way back at the start of the season,
right? It had a pretty tough stretch
like backers. They lost righteous Seahawks.
The other cars in the cold and they at that point schedule.
Softens up slightly to where it's like, all right, we've
given Trail and six weeks we could probably turn it to him
and see what we've got. We're ready to 14 on the outside
of the playoffs looking in type of stuff.
Right? Like, but they've already done
that, you know, incredible team serviceable quarterback gets him
to the Super Bowl and it's not enough because they can't win a
shootout with a high-powered offense from the AFC.
Nope. And I mean I kind of feel like
Garoppolo has played well, but I kind of Like they got to that
point where they played Lance and Lance did not throw the
ball. Well, and I can't hear.
Anna Tandy. Yeah.
Somewhat Dynamic is not a good passer.
I honestly kind of feel like it got to a point where Shannon was
like, he's not ready. One.
But two, like it's gonna look real fucking bad.
If I run them out here the rest of this year and we lose a bunch
of games because he's thrown a bunch of pics like he can't
throw the ball and I traded all these pics for him.
Like I think they're like some of it was like
self-preservation, they've left Garoppolo in, they might not
make the playoffs things have went well as well with that
decision but it was like the If play to try to make the playoffs
and lose in the first round or whatever and then not get fired
and then that 2022 to hopefully get Lance like figure it out so
that he's playing good football and 2022 because honestly like
it could have went really bad this year.
They put Lance a but I mean I still really like Lance to I'm
not completely on yeah there but the way looking at one game I
think there's some fear that like okay if we run this guy out
the rest of your he looks horrible for how much we gave up
for him. And all the talk this offseason
I may get fired at the end of this year, like he was kind of
put in that position, kind of a Sharp move.
Like You know, it you played it, you played a stay alive like you
know? Yeah, yeah, right.
It's easy to say you have a plan like when you're making the pic
but when it comes down to you know choosing who to start,
that's going to give you who you think is going to give you the
best chance to win games. Then your plans kind of go out
the window right Ben's, right? They're disappointed with what
they saw. I mean, I think we're all a
little disappointed with what we saw him with him as a passer.
He's not, he's not where he needs to be and you know, I just
looked up where Garoppolo is Sixth and EPA per play this
year. He's ahead of Herbert.
He's ahead of my homes. Like he's actually been very
efficient. Now, within the context of the
system that limits play volume and he's not been very efficient
or not been very accurate at all just 1.3 completion percentage
over expected which is like fine but not I think it's probably
25th or something illegal like it's very whatever but that to
me is like the whole Shanahan magic so you can get that out of
Garoppolo to Ben's point. You can get another year to see
what you have in. Lance you get the full off.
He's in with them and also like they're going to lose in the
first round of playoffs at best with Lance.
So it does kind of make sense on some level just to try to get
there. So you can get some juice out of
Garoppolo, and maybe you're braising.
Garoppolo's trade price, right? Because you got to figure out
what to do there. So yeah, I mean not for sure.
So I guess. So.
So so, so I mean, so I Chang kind of had like a good cover
that he could have used, which is like, it'll got hurt.
My office didn't work. I wanted Mustard, he didn't hurt
workout. You know, like he had a good
bunch of baked in excuses to why this was a bad year.
There's been some key injuries and defense so we just decided
to treat it as a lot season, right?
I like bats point about the raising garoppolo's trade value
and like I guess the question is if steam like the Steelers who
are kind of built to win, could use Saints, hello?
Right. The Saints is another another
team. But like who's really offering
what you would need and has the guy I don't think Either.
Damn, there's a big gap space rule.
Absolute job now. But he's on his Batman.
He's done. I really really, really bad.
Yeah, still like Garoppolo feels like the same move, is Donald
and Donald is -5.2 on the season, which is 33rd ahead of
only Zach, Wells, and Trevor, Lawrence and Trooper Simeon By
the home. So sack Wilson has actually been
Accurate Trevor. Lawrence my God.
Oh, my God. Is Bridgewater accurate.
Because there's another name that Caroline is just going to
cycle in the New Bridge Water. Maybe like, maybe it's waters
are rich Waters actor, he ranks 9th.
And in sepia, we, this show is recorded and that's that, like
Garoppolo 7 crumbles. Yeah, he's like basically is
between like Matt Ryan and Daniel Jones, you know what I
mean? Like he's not, he's just he's
ahead of Jared Goff but behind Kirk Cousins like, and if
anybody wants to see three where you think we hilarious.
Perceptions. Go look up the three picks.
He's thrown the last two weeks. Garoppolo they all hit the
defender in the chest, they were horrible Place.
Although it was a lot. Well, but they were back.
He's thrown three really bad pixel.
He'll wash out in Carolina for sure, but that doesn't mean they
won't trade for him. Daddy.
Daddy had like a snake. Yeah.
Ready. Jimmy.
Does feel like a stealer? Would you said that?
I mean, you CH. I tried that.
For size in my head, and I was like, like, a glove y-yeah guys
are, that's how we started ahead of Mason.
Rudolph next year. Doing the Spider-Man mean,
though. What about this?
One, two Tres sermon. I mean, another just fucking
bizarre. Run out for the 49ers there.
I can't believe fishermen still got Shooters, man.
Like what the heck is going on here?
I don't agree with this. So like they took a shot in the
third round and I and just Norse pointing out that they should
trade it, a fourth and a fifth to get that third.
So they spent a fourth and fifth on sermon and a sixth on
Mitchell and then the Mitchells good, Mitchell's good.
So they're like they solved that Mitchell is good before we did,
and they're like, sweet one of The Tech.
Guys is good. And then he played the good guy
that but that's fine but it's the same thing.
With the trail ants thing, it's the unit's, multiple picks to
go. That's what you should get an
asset. It's efficient.
Yes, next to go up and get a running back.
Pat, no, yeah, with a fourth, and a fifth round pick.
That's exactly what you should do with those.
That's, that's like a really sharp move to take.
You could have take every load value, chain, running backs with
would have been just as good as sermon to, to use two picks to
draft a guy that you then don't use.
I'm saying if you use, if you use your fourth, fifth and sixth
round, picks on a running back, used to my three running backs.
Yeah. Only too ready.
Yeah. He's on three different.
Three running back. Acts that were degree of it.
You don't need, none, whatever. What else auj service if you
want to use those on two running backs, that's totally fine.
Especially if you find a really good running back like they did
it. They, this was a hit a crush.
I will have a side, awesome, you better fucking nail the running
back. If you're using to cannot, if
it's a fourth and a fifth kind of, this is how cows Shanahan is
terrible. At like a valley where he took
Depot, Samuel head of AJ Brown and A bunch of other issues with
Joe Williams back in the day. They same mistake over and over.
It's okay. It was a fourth-round pick,
that's fine. You be traded up.
They, you never liked traded up, they trade.
Okay, there's any trading up to draft, bad.
Ready back. So they're not there.
They're like the expected value of the pics that you're killing
him for treatment. Laughs, you wouldn't trade your
tenth and eighth round, pick to move up to draft, a six-round
running back because the probability of that bad, but
your is similar to your assignment too much value.
The pics there. It's like if you saw if you took
your, if you took her 16th and 13th and gotten 11th, no, no, my
dear, this isn't it. No, this isn't a big value
discussion. It's the ability to be over
confident in what you assume is a scouting talent and not an
akashic Shanahan being arrogant in that like, he is, Assuming he
understands what he's looking for and he doesn't write like,
he's shown this multiple times, but he does know.
She got Elijah. Mitchell is sixth, round is a
perfect fit for his offense. It was a Michael Porter's, a
better grade up for him, though. Michael Kors.
That's the issue, right? Is that is that like like, like
like the humility to understand to accept that this is an actual
leak? And instead he's actually making
statements with it, right? I mean and this is where, this
is where it gets interesting because he does do these things
Pat that whatever. Running back the 49ers, put
behind that offensive line crushes.
You cannot say that trading up to picks to draft.
A guy that sucks was smart just because they hit on another guy.
They could put Jeff Wilson back there because Michael Hasty back
there and see our project. Last if you look at the whole
running back class, what they did, they had a great running
back. Selections on their running
backs elections were awesome. I don't I just don't give a shit
about Like, who else are you killed?
Like, what are their fourth and fifth round picks.
Did you hate? Oh my goodness.
Michael. Jordan was a fourth-round pick
out of them. Yeah, Mike part is fine, Michael
curtiz, Gio Bernard like he's fine.
You know, it's just not even Michael Carter like, you know,
boohoo you missed on Michael card.
It's not that big of a deal but you're proving the point.
All these guys are replaceable behind the 49ers often supplied,
you don't need to spend two picks on them, rapidly on the
practice squad, the other it could have been like you know a
linebacker or something that maybe Winds up hitting you get
another bullet. Like the whole point is we take
multiple shots, right? Look why used to pics?
Yeah, I guess I've just sent like there's lots of teams that
trade up, you know, and do stupid stuff and they trade up
in like the first round. And, you know, I think the trade
up with the lance thing like that.
Could end up being much, much more is, you know, that orders
always gonna be worse. If you were stood, the trade up
of like a fourth and a fifth round pick.
I just think I think a lot of it comes from the fact that we
thought sermon was going to be the guy and then he wasn't the
guy and now We're kind of like, what the fuck, man?
Like, I think that's where some of the whole Twitter, take on
this comes from, like, he blew it, he blew it.
He should have like, why did he trade up for him?
Then why did he trade up for him?
Well, I don't know. He thought his me good, and it
turns out he's not good people, but people didn't we Joe
Williams to write a? Why you trade up for Joe
Williams? You pounding the table, like he
loves this guy and then Joe Williams Lake enough.
Never thing again, right? Yeah, I mean, and I'm not even
in the camp that Kyle. Shannon's a fake sharp.
I think we can easily detach Kyle.
Shanahan getting the most out. 01 El.
As a good kid. Jim being a shitty GM, which
he's proven to be a pretty shitty GM.
Another guy who went into fourths, Juba Hubbard.
I want to go back to the couch and ahead, not playing Lance
conversation, just for a second, because Greg in the chat, had
this comment, as I've read it, like a few minutes after he
moved on, but it says Mike Shanahan traded up for Jay
Cutler. Finally put him in for a 7 and
14 on the playoff bubble and then they missed the playoffs.
That would be the Nightmare scenario for Kyle I think.
Like I didn't remember that or know that like that's a, it was
just fucking dad that did that just really good call by Greg.
We've got my nice. Nice comment, Greg.
Yeah, that's interesting. All right, Cleo.
Herbert went later. Like yeah, look.
I mean, this is like all very results based to some extent.
Like, I just do more Jefferson meant later.
No, the point is, is that given this, you don't grab any running
back, any running back weeks, it would success a true.
That's not true. I mean, look, you don't know who
the players are. You'd rather have to pick
someone pick them? Yeah, sure sure.
Yeah, fine. Like if I was in charge there, I
wouldn't have traded a forklift. Ports for Ramon Dre, let's get
the gonna go. Pat tie Johnson would be balling
the fuck out with 20 carries behind the 49ers off.
But see I so this is and you know it and I got you twisted
could you know see what? I just don't think he'd ever get
those carries. Like is there something to the
fact that they found a guy in Mitchell that they're actually
treating like a Workhorse when he never does that?
And Mitchell looks really good and he gets used as receiver now
some like I think, you know, the idea that you can put anyone
behind there and they'll be fine like the running game will
probably be fine. It's true but a guy not named
Mitchell on. The 49ers will get 15 plus
touches on Sunday and will ball out.
He'll be fine, like jamychal. Hasty is not going to
necessarily fall out, you know, we'll see.
I feed these ready backs. They just come in and they bawl
out behind the 49ers offensive line.
It's happened for three straight years.
Remember he mustered like everyone was convinced.
He was like a nothing and then he showed up and just bawled
out. If you want to talk about
Shanahan missing an eval. I mean they have that gamma
special teams for like three years until he's like 28 years
old. They could think like you
finally come around to Kyle. Shithead, Pinkberry shitty at
eval. I mean I don't know man like his
Bill Belichick shitty at eval because he's missing like eat me
oh yeah, he's the worst. Why does he get so much credit
for like getting rid of all these defensive players before
they turn into debt? Because he doesn't like ya donk
donkey shit. Yeah.
But he's not, he's not like he like understands like the rich
probability of like, hitting on players like you still need to
get players and it's not a trade value.
Issue is not like what you're trading the Value there.
It's like the value is kind of flat.
You just feel like I'm just gonna need to take shots on guys
and he Warm Bodies and see what they do.
This is what this is what is triggering me is.
Well they I'm so I can't tell if that's just being argumentative
for the sake of being argumentative because it's such
a weird take. Why are you selling them for the
eye? You could trade?
Isn't that way worse? No.
Be killing for everything. I'm just saying the trading.
Hurry it up in the first round for each other.
My whole take is that fourth and fifth round picks don't matter
that much and I think it's a weird fantasy.
Focus take to kill a guy for sermon, not working.
Now he treats Lizzie hit on Mitchell like at the Patriots,
literally built a Dynasty on fourth and fifth round pick
smattering and stockpiling them. The, the entire legion of boom
came from the present back just like the best example, their
homework in Super Bowl run was built on any three pics.
Yeah like I don't understand where this day.
Is coming back like Shri sermon was the only running back
drafted in the third and he fucking sucks.
Literally every running back after like that.
And then as I stood, but if they lessons this year, we'd love it.
We love it. But they didn't.
Yeah fine. Fine.
But I just put the move itself of like there's a guy in the
third. I want to trade it, fourth and
fifth to go get the guy in the third.
Like I just don't really, it doesn't bother me that much.
Pat is now a robust are be drafter.
This is the new reality we live it.
I don't know. I mean look if I do can't point
a little bit back. I mean I get the point.
I'm not saying take a fourth and fifth, you should always trade
into the third round. Like that's not what I'm saying.
And I'm not saying If you trade out of the third round for
fourth and fifth, that's a bad move.
That's not what I'm saying, either on on balance that's
going to be a better move over time.
But the idea that like, the guy traded up for a fourth and a
fifth, he trades into the third. He better be right, man, he
better be right? Like now he doesn't have to be,
right. It's a third-round pick like
based on those all the time, he traded a fourth and a fifth to
get there. You miss on those all the time
it is what it is. Like it's not that big a deal to
do that one time and be wrong and like so what if he was also
wrong The fourth round on Joe Williams, like, you know, he's
found, he found that Breda undrafted, he found her he most
her undrafted like that's the whole point.
That's part of it is the whole point.
Okay, that he missed. I'm saying, oh boy, thank you
takes a lot of heat, takes a lot of cheap is cheap.
He takes a lot of cheap stabs at running back but like and some
of them hitting some of them don't and I don't have any cheap
stab though. That's the point.
I think it is a cheap step. That's my that's my whole
yesterday. I think a fourth and a fifth
round pick together, Our Kind, the value, that's still pretty
cheap. If you see something, they must
have seen something sermon where they're like, Disney, but your
argument is a fourth, a fifth, and a sixth round pick was the
step four. Tuple, that's where two guys,
that's 42. I gonna show you one hit that
fourth fifth and sixth you get one, good.
Okay, so let me ask you that. Do you think that Elijah
Mitchell was worth a fourth? A fifth and a sixth round pillow
what they got? No, not even.
I think, I think, I think the sure I think.
Yeah, they think he probably is. Yeah, I think that's like, I
mean, your honor, you have a causing running a good running
back for ya because they could have got your Mitchell free
Reflection from anyone. They could have gotten
Mitchell's production from a guy that joint, that's what I don't
buy, I think Mitchell's really good and He's but surely, you
don't think they would get a fourth fifth and sixth?
Like, I think that maybe I don't think that Lord equivalent.
No, no one. No one is feeding for these
guys. No way.
No, there's no fucking way. There's no, yeah, yeah.
But that's hardly didn't know. One trades.
Anything for anyone. In the end of what happens,
like, if Elijah Mitchell was in this draft class, would someone
spend it? So easily.
But they might like, if Elijah Mitchell was in this draft
class, he might get drafted it like, you know, 60.
All right. I need to go to bed.
I can't argue this anymore. Thank you to Hassan and Blair
tuning in. We will keep you guys posted on
how our AG. Hassan FSC cotton Silent Hill.
Went in the seventh round. Yeah, I know Justin Herbert.
I don't know who you harbored for just a bit younger.
Brother. Went into 7th as well.
There you go. Ow.
Hassan Blair any any plugs for you guys?
JP and Hawkins was undrafted rank.
You can't just put anyone back there.
I mean, I didn't win Sonia, I got to plug anything, really bad
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