Hi, Mike, Shope here, getting ready to start with Pat Karine
and Davis Maddock. Happy Thanksgiving and thanks
for being a part of our show. ADP Chasing.
Next case on the docket is the same case as it's been pretty
much all year, the case of the sexy young wide receivers versus
Saquon Barkley. I wanted to find a middle name
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Man, all right, so just a wonderful day for us to be doing
the ADP chasing with the the morning after Saquon Barkley.
I I took a Saquon lower on Underdog last night, but it was
under, it was under 20 1/2 rush attempts, which is so many
rushes, so many rushes. He got there easily.
And, and and Oh yeah, I mean, he had 13 rushes at the end of the
first half. I was like, well, and, and the
other legs were, were were spicy Peps, you know, Puka Alt hires
A.J. Brown Alt hires.
No sweat. What's the worst feeling today,
Barkley Lower or Maclaurin I? Mean, I don't I if you had
Maclaurin lowers yesterday, you're you're you're having a.
Bad. Time you're having you're having
a bad. Time, at least you didn't have,
at least you didn't have Washington to cover it.
I mean, that was right, yeah. 4/4 for 16 and 0 was Maclaurin
until that play. I guess that's.
Crazy. Anyway, boys, happy
Thanksgiving. I know you both have, I think
Davis and I know Pat has a young daughter, Vivian.
My niece's name is Vivian. It'll be a big Thanksgiving here
in a few days, but so hopefully you guys have big plans this
week that are, I want to say outside of football or is that
wrong to say? I mean, I Thanksgiving is my
favorite holiday. It's it's the greatest American
holiday because there are no religious overtones.
You don't have to deal. If you're not a religious
person, you don't have to deal with your religious family.
And if you are religious person, you don't have to deal with
your, your heretic in laws, you know, and making, making a
mockery of it. It it's it's a true day where we
can all agree it's a. Heroic picking law.
I will say that that my in laws don't seem to not me in law.
My it's more my aunts and uncles.
My my blood aunts and uncles seems to still have plenty of
issues to talk. Through on Thanksgiving?
How can you have an issue on Thanksgiving?
Yeah, no. Thanksgiving is has been very
contentious over the years. What's the one O 1 as in terms
of what's the best time to eat? Right after the Lions game,
that's it's always when, it's always when you want to eat.
You always want to eat after the Lions game.
Central time? Eastern Time?
Pacific Time? Maybe football does factor in
here. Football should factor in and
that's been that's been a potential issue over the years
for me is that it's never factored in really to our
schedule in the big, the big family events.
So when I was younger, we're just like, you know, usually
when like the game is coming down to the wire, it's time to
eat. So yeah, I, I think after that,
that Lions game makes a ton of sense.
What time I'm pulling that up? So that's like, that's like 1:32
PM Central time in. General Yeah.
So the line the the Cowboys game starts at 1:30 Eastern.
Now that's I think the problem. Is 4/30.
Time. Yeah, 4:30 Eastern, right?
Oh, oh, Oh, yeah, 13130 Pacific. My bet, the 4:30 Eastern.
Yeah, that's ideal. If you could if you could get
the meal started at like 4. Now now magic carp and chat is
saying that his in laws don't believe in football.
So my in laws are not football people at all.
They they live in Saint Louis. So people in Saint Louis, when
the Rams left, they basically decided football over.
We don't care. We're not watching it.
No one here cares. It's it's a bizarre experience
where most people either don't watch football or only watch
college football. So basically I've just had to be
like, look, you guys don't have to care, but I, these games are
on. I'm, I'm watching.
This is the key part of my Thanksgiving experience.
And I'm not, I'm not not having the games.
And my brother-in-law is my, my married, my through marriage,
brother in laws are football people.
So we, we, we figured it out. But yeah, my in laws do not
care. So in 2019, the Bills were, I
mean, 2017, they made the play offs first time and Forever 18.
They draft Allen, they win six games.
We're all sort of waiting for NFCE schedule.
You know, there's Super Bowl rematches.
For what it's worth, many years later, what will the prime time
schedule look like? And I kind of always assumed
every team got at least one Thursday night game.
So 2019 the schedule comes out and the Bills play only Sunday
afternoon except Thanksgiving in Dallas.
And so like, well, that we'll take it.
There's no prime time, but it's something it's some relevance.
Thanksgiving can't believe they got it.
So on one hand, it was like a step forward for the Bills, who
then, I mean, last year they played a record 7 night games
because they got the last one flex.
You're not even supposed to be able to do that. 19 they win in
there. They go to Dallas for
Thanksgiving. Daddy has to leave, which is the
first I host the post game show. First time ever I've had to work
on Thanksgiving. I don't have to work nights with
this team Thanksgiving whatever my was here.
This is they're getting kick off Bill's Cowboys.
He's like just don't embarrass us.
You know, that's kind of like the Bills fan mantra or ethos.
You know, they just just don't make it so bad.
They win that game. They get Thanksgiving in New
Orleans, then they get Thanksgiving in Detroit.
They win these games too. Not this year, but it's become
kind of a common thing for them to play on Thanksgiving and it's
cool. This year has a chance to be
really bad for like sort of the the viewers with Chicago,
Detroit, maybe that stays close then you.
Have I I think that game's going to be good and I actually think
the Dallas game is going to be good too, because I think Dallas
showed us they're so crappy. Anyone can hang with them.
Jayden Daniels, James Daniels was brutal in that game.
Let's let's not because he got 33 fantasy points.
You're not going to realize he was, he was bad, dude.
He he, he missed a bunch of throws.
It was like classic Cliff kicks, Barry.
Like it was, it was only a a good game because of the
Cowboys. Yeah, we have the the social
stuff of everyone just like absolutely apoplectic about
Cliff and people making fun of the the meltdowns, you know,
second-half meltdowns for Cliff and everything.
So yeah, I mean that that like ending which obviously was still
devastating for the Commanders, but it moves the devastation
from the offense to them missing extra point of them not going
for two. But I agree, I mean, before that
there was a lot of people were just like, what the heck is
going on with this offense? Dan Quinn could not wait to
raise that finger. He could not wait to raise that
one finger for the tie. He could not wait.
Yeah, and, and we've got, you know, potentially we've got
Dabel losing the locker room. Like there's been a there's been
a bunch of reports of like people being of, of, you know,
Giants insiders being like, these dudes do not care.
We've got, I mean, neighbors said it, neighbors said it to
the media. You got to ask.
You got to ask Dabel about that brother.
And then Dabel said in his media availability today that they,
they talked, you know, behind. Closed doors.
I'll I'll tell you this right now, if you have a sports book,
if you're in a legal sports betting state that offers this
first reception in giant Cowboys, whatever the number,
whatever the number is on neighbors, it's it.
I bet that at minus, I bet it at -500.
I think I think that that's good.
That's good to -5. 100 you need first target man, you need first
target. First play isn't, isn't he
right? Isn't he right?
I mean, OK, they can't pass protect, OK?
They're only running so many plays.
Isn't the wide receiver almost always right in that case?
Like just throw him a screen pass in the beginning of the
game. You don't have this particular,
you don't have this a problem to this extent anyway, not to make
it always about the Bills, but like with Sammy Watkins, that
drove me crazy. Like you, you traded first round
picks to get them. Why isn't your, you know, in the
first series 1 pass to him and get him in space.
So I think Neighbors has a point.
So are we saying the issue is that Xavier worthy is not
selfish enough? We don't have do we need do we
need Xavier worthy to be going to the media and be like look,
man, all all all due respect, all due respect to to Jujus
Mischuster, throw me, throw me the got Dang ball.
I I would really like if worthy would be a little if it feels.
Like is this the only reason receivers bust is that they just
aren't? Loud enough, you know who knew
they weren't there was. Tony, if he if he was just
better at the media, you know what they're going to start.
You can't do that in Kansas City.
Come on. I mean no you.
Can't. Can you imagine if one of these
guys they'd be, they would be in Narnia so fast.
Like if if a non Kelsey player said something to the media
about needing the ball more, we would never see them again.
It it would just be, it would be like, dude, you think I won't
replace you with Taekwon Thornton?
Watch me watch it will happen immediately.
Like, I mean, I think that's actually why they prefer
bringing in these veterans. That's like why they have P
Ryan. That's why it's like Khalil
Herbert would be better than P Ryan for them.
But they're like, no, dude, we want someone who's 30 and all.
All they care about is winning games.
They do not care about getting the ball at all.
Even when it came to Tony, they didn't draft him, so it wasn't
even like there was no internal pressure you.
Know they treated a third round pick for him though and then the
following year they were like we got our number one and Tony so
they did. That was a weird one.
But there was there was no sunk cost fallacy with Tony where
after he he blew. I mean, so he.
Blows the lion he blows. The Lions game, yeah, there was
the first year, but he I mean, he blows the he blows the Lions
game. And at that point the the great
clip of Mahomes on the side, that being like, I just told
you, I just told you don't fumble.
And like after that point, I mean, he was a healthy scratch
in the Super. Bowl healthy.
Scratch in the Super Bowl. Yeah.
He didn't have a shot of making the roster.
They were like, you're gone. You're you're done.
Yeah, they were like the year after.
He was like the star of the Super Bowl the year after.
But that's right. Yeah.
Well, it is moving on to Week 13
and Thanksgiving. And in terms of best ball, I was
watching Pete this morning tilting about Abdullah not
getting a couple more receiving yards in the Raiders Denver game
and he slipped in and I, I don't not believe him.
He's like, I'm usually pretty Zen when it comes to these
sweats. I don't know, Pat and then
Davis, where are you guys at with sort of how this year
feels? I know we've all had, you know,
Berkeley is a big topic today and we haven't really touched on
that yet, but we're all having our own internal struggles.
Are we at a point yet where we're sort of like used to it
and a little bit more relaxed than we'd like to be or just
what is a Sunday like you guys? My whole face off because I'm
also running bad in my DFS stuff has actually been OK, but I'm
running like horribly bad in the underdog battle Royale games.
Like Josh Jacobs was my most drafted player yesterday.
It should have been like a legitimate like print money
button and like immediate just like didn't have the right
teams, didn't have the right combos like immediate loss like
that or the week before. I'm 1 of 98 users who has a St.
Brown Taysom Hill, Jared Goff team.
Don't get don't even get close there.
Like it just is. It's I'm just tilting my whole
face off like every Sunday. Not very Zen.
I've been somewhere in the middle because I've had I've had
a lot of DF this last DFS week was was one of those one of a
handful of weeks I've had where like I got really close.
Like I finished top 50 in the power sweep last week with or
this, you know, yesterday with Jacobs and Hawkinson and
McBride. And I just did like a over stack
of that Seattle game. And so like the pieces that
didn't get there for me, we're like all correlated like like
Gino DKI had JSN who was good, but I had Kenneth Walker and
then I McBride coming back. So I did like a big stack of
that game and you're like, if this game just goes off like a
little more like it almost was enough.
So I've had a number of those, but I've had some, I had one
good week as well. So DFS has not been like super
tilting. You kind of take that for what
it's worth that that's going to happen.
DFS is just by its nature set up to be tilting.
Like losing in DFS is like, I don't know, whatever.
Right, right, you almost want those weeks because you're like,
all right, at least I'm like kind of on stuff.
You know, it's still tilting though.
The most tilting thing for me has honestly been the ship cast
stuff where we just like keep having like these horrible
beats. So the last week we, we got
right with the, with hitting a core.
So that was good as far as basketball goes.
I mean, early on, incredibly tilted, incredibly tilted
because one you're dealing with like the reality that it will
hit you every year that you're going to be, you're going to be
much worse at predicting the future than it feels like you
should be right in the, in the summer, you're like, I'm going
to get everything right. That will just be, it'll be
easy. I'll just be right about
everything, you know, and then you're, you know, obviously
that's not going to pan out. And then you're this year I was
wrong about a lot more stuff than I was hoping and ran bad on
some stuff that I felt good at, like the Rice injury.
No, get it's like whatever you're gonna lose, you're gonna
you're gonna have a bunch of bad opinions anyways, but running
bad on the stuff you were right about is insolvable.
It's really rough. Tolerable.
Like Chase Brown is the best pick on the fucking board and
it's not gonna matter for me because Rashi Rice got tackled
and destroyed by his own quarterback which is very hard
to stomach. And then the stuff you're wrong
about, you don't want to be like too wrong about.
But this this year, it's been clear for weeks that we were
going to be really wrong about Saquon.
So, you know, and I've said people, we don't like this
framing, but I've said like with Saquon, you know, I was kind of
like trying to figure out the range of outcomes.
And it's like, how does this guy beat me?
Like he beats me with like an insane rushing efficiency
season. And I'm just like not going to
bet on like you have to have, but he just has to be cheaper if
that's the if that's the out and he's not catching that many
passes and he scored 10 touchdowns.
It's not been right. But he's having like the insane
rushing efficiency season. So I definitely underpriced the
probability of that. I think that's like very obvious
that, you know, the upside for him purely as a efficient rusher
was much higher than I was thinking it was.
But that's like that's my cope on Saquon.
It's like, at least it hit in the thin way that I was like, I
don't know. If this is the path for it, then
I guess I'm good betting. Against that that is true.
Like at least if if he was getting the one yard touchdowns
too. That would be way more tilting.
Then it would be like, well, you're just an idiot and you
just don't understand football. But like the the thesis of like,
well, he's not really going to catch that many passes and he's
not going to get the goal and work.
That's all that's all happened. They actually, it's insane.
They actively sub out Saquon Barkley inside the 10 yard line
for Kenneth Gainwell. They do this.
One, it could have been worse. Yesterday, Kenneth Gainwell had
a nice touchdown run. Yeah, 1313 yard touchdown.
Yeah, like if the if that's Saquon, I mean, we're even more
buried. Like it's.
I mean he he could legitimately have a 30 touchdown season if if
they had wanted him to have that.
Right, but they but they use the push push and they have other
stuff. So yeah, I think the the, The
funny thing too with the Saquon stuff is that like I've checked
my advance rate getting heading into that game and I checked my
advance rate after and it was like one team.
Like it's already baked in. Like the Saquon teams are
advancing and they, and I don't have many of them.
And it's like the two teams advance from every every week.
So like, I'm just hoping to be the other one.
You know what I mean? The Chase, the Chase team and
the Barclay team get to advance and then sometimes in some pods
those are going to be the same team and well.
That's the same thing. Honestly, I'd rather them be the
same team. Yeah, you'd rather them be the
same team. Yeah.
Yeah, we'll see. I think the problem with Barkley
is that his matchups in the fancy playoffs are so juicy.
Washington, Dallas. I mean, it's, it's basically
like The thing is, though, this is such unique to to myself.
Two weeks ago I played Barkley over Kamara in DFS in cash and
and Barkley got eight points and I just remember thinking this
could only happen to me. This could really the the week,
the week that Barkley gets eight points.
It it really and then it. Played in that week too I think.
Yeah, to watch him. To watch him RIP off 35 points
or whatever, yeah. It's it's annoying, it's close
to the end for advancing, and that's what matters first.
But it's Washington and Dallas after they play the Steelers.
Yeah, in Week 15, which is not great.
I don't know. I'm going to be, I'm going to be
wearing an Arthur Smith jersey. Whatever he, whatever he wears
on the sidelines, I'm just going to mimic.
I just, I was, I wasn't on with you, you know, until last week
and, but I was watching every week and, you know, trying to
figure out the best process and strategy for best ball mania.
And it was you, you, you might tell me I was a little bit naive
here, I don't know. But it was a little bit too
tempting late if you had the late draft positions, 10/11/12
to go with Puka and Harrison, you know, just sort of to
correlate that right away. You want wide receivers.
And if I can get not every time, but if I can get that
correlation right, it is all that matters.
I've been told you want to do that and Barkley, I mean Chase
and Barkley, that's fine. That's on the you know what, 4-5
position maybe if you get to Barkley there or in the middle
at least. I don't know.
Is is there any we're all we're talking on?
I Pat, I I was listening to you and Eric Beinfor sort of going
over like we're all doing, you know, what did we get, what was
a mistake and what was just a fluke, that kind of stuff.
What about right now? How do you feel when it comes to
correlation? Is there anything we should have
done differently? Should we have cared less about
it? Philadelphia and Dallas gives
you lamb, but he's gone already. That's on the other end.
And you know, with Dallas, there weren't obviously other guys
until way in the middle of drafts with Dowdle or even like
Brandon Cooks or somebody like that.
I mean, that was tough to do. So for me it was a little bit of
a seed as to it was a reason not to pick Barclay in those late,
you know, draft positions. So I think The funny thing about
all this stuff is that like, you know, and you could, I think,
argue that this is not fair or good, but like Barclays game
last night, like ultimately probably won't matter very much
because he like was already having such a crushing season.
So like you, if you're not advancing a Barclay team, like
you might not have any quarterbacks or like you
completely whip the wide receiver like he's already it'll
I mean, it matters, but it's not like going to be the thing that
we remember as defining for the season that, you know, this past
game against the Rams. What we will remember is
defining is like spike weeks and weeks 1516 and 17.
And so I think it's too early to say like about correlation or
like I think what you want, because what we're about to get
in a couple weeks, we're about to get the victory laps on like
Ivance 50 teams or whatever. And you know, those are fun.
Like good for you, but those people will be lucky to get one
team to the final because it's extremely difficult to get one
team to the final. Even if you get spotted like
twice the amount of teams that you're, you know, going to get
by by variance, you're still really lucky to get one team to
the final. And so like it's just we don't
know yet like that that's in in a tournament like Basketball
Mania with single week cuts, we still don't actually know what
we're going to look back on in 2024 and say this is what we
should have been drafting it. Now from a process standpoint, I
think we can already take some stuff away.
But from a results oriented like what did I want to have?
It's probably Barkley. It's probably Barkley given how
good the season's been in his schedule.
But we don't actually know. You know a lot of it.
The thing that is frustrating, not frustrating, the thing that
I can't figure out is that Barclays ADP was ahead of a
chain, but I had a chain ranked higher and a chain has been
awesome. A chain has been.
So it's like, I don't know, was that really bad?
Like a chain I think is like my fourth or third most drafted
running back or something like that.
It's like, well, I don't really want to do over on a chain.
He's been great. It's just.
That he, the way I try to think through stuff, it's like when I
looked at him, I was like, OK, the rushing efficiency is
insane. That's great.
You'll have to see that. But he has outs to becoming like
this really high end receiving option.
So even if I use the rushing efficiency, yeah, I can still
get there that way. And like that's what's happened.
So like the the multiple outs to a really good season thesis on
HN I think was correct. I mean, it almost has to be
correct because he it hasn't been efficient as a runner
really. And honestly, the the the goal
line stuff has been at least OK. You know, he hasn't been like
removed from that. He scores touchdowns.
So yeah, no, I agree. I mean, like a chain was a guy,
I'm like, not only am I happy to have him, but he's a guy that
I'm happy to have and do have. Like the teams that I'm getting
through, a lot of them are a chain teams.
A lot of them. Are a chain a savior?
Yeah. Can I just follow up a a
question specific to Harrison in that 1-2 turn range this year?
I mean, I know this has been covered, but it seems like a lot
of the narrative this year, like sort of like what the cope is,
is well, the wide receivers all got hurt or their quarterbacks
got hurt like a Tyreek or a situation like that.
It's not true in Harrison's case.
And man, if there's one game I would love to have seen be
different yesterday, it's that game.
Arizona and Seattle, there's so much, you know, redraft FFPC
Week 12. Come on, McBride got there.
But both teams where, where was the juice?
And it sort of puts a spotlight again on Harrison and just kind
of what a dud this rookie season has been.
I mean, relative term. But was there a mistake?
If you don't mind going back into this for a minute specific
to him? Yeah, yeah.
That was that was one of my preseason truth serum takes was
that he was being overdrafted. The idea of taking him
specifically ahead of Nico, I just don't I just basically
don't think there's any way before the fact, after the fact,
viewing what we've seen, even knowing how shitty Strout has
been, just don't really think there was any justification for
that. And that was how I drafted it.
I took Nico at the turn. I now I also was taking
pneumonia Samuel ahead of him as well.
I mean, I don't know, like do you like would would you rather
have pneumonia, Debo or or Marvin Harrison junior who like
has fewer question, has fewer points in like Westbrook Akini,
I don't know. Well, again, I think that part
of the allure part of Harrison was that there was not as much
competition with Collins and with Samuel.
They had both had like that question in states, which was,
you know, how how much target volume will they get, whereas
Harrison had McBride, but really after that, sorry Davis, I know
Greg Dorch, but like really after that it was kind of wide
open. Yeah, I was into Harrison just
because it's like the best wide receiver prospect we've had in a
long time and I didn't want to not have him.
But and I guess if you're if you're like thinking through the
Harrison thing in retrospect, it is similar to the Barkley case
that I was not into right where you're like, what's the path?
What path is pretty specific, too specific.
It's that he's the best wide receiver rookie like in, you
know, generate. He's he's Jamar Chase.
Basically he hits the ground running because like you look at
CD Lamb. Remember when like CD Lamb, like
wasn't, you know, a dominant receiver took a few years?
Pete used to call. Pete used to call him Beta Beta.
CD yeah, beta CD. So you get you get I think
Marvin Anderson's rookie season when I look at like when I zoom
out and I like strip away our pre season expectations for him,
I think it's very promising yeah like this guy's going to be good
but we demanded that he be amazing right away, which was
too high. I mean, yeah, I think he was
overpriced for sure and probably should have, probably should
have recognized that in a way that I was like, hey, if you're
not on board with kind of demanding the specific outcome
for this running back, you probably shouldn't be on board
for demanding for a wide wide receiver either.
Looking up, his father went 64 for 8:30 and 8:00, and his son
could end up being like sort of almost exactly right there, but
doesn't really matter. So long ago, Debo.
Yep. No, I just think on Harrison,
like I do, I think we are almost we as a fancy community of like
and I'm a part of this, but like we we put too much expectations
on it and then we're going to view this season as like this,
you know, really bad season. It's not it's bad for us.
It's not bad for him. San Francisco Speaking of
Samuel, and now they are 5 and 6 and I think they're coming my
way for Sunday Night Football this week.
With or without Brock Purdy. What are we doing with the
49ers? I think this is the most
interesting puzzle right now in the NFLI.
Guess we have to wait on Purdy and if he's back then I think
it's kind of like it was, even though they're on the outside of
the playoff picture. Do we we're thinking about
maybe, do they sort of wave a white flag this year with their
age and the contract commitments?
I don't know. McCaffrey Kittle, nice day for
him yesterday. Ayuke's already gone.
And of course, Samuel, what's what are your vibes and your
read on the Niners? Day vibes.
The vibes could not be worse. I mean, let me tell you, the
49ers vibes could not possibly be worse.
Apparently Brandon Allen. By the way, this is Kyle
Shanahan reaping after he has sown.
Did not report to the media two weeks ago that not Kyle Allen
well. Talking about.
Bad quarterbacks that Mccaffrey's had to play with.
Brandon Allen broke his middle finger of his non throwing hand
in practice 2 weeks ago. Doesn't report it, never on the
practice report, never mentioned, not mentioned
anywhere in any of the lead up. And then the broadcast is like
oh dude, yeah he's playing with a broken finger on his hand.
So shout out to you, Kyle. You gotta find this dude.
He keeps, he keeps covering shit up.
I mean, it's, it's literally breaking the rules.
It is not. That is outside of the rules of
what the NFL wants. These I mean, if you'd let Brady
in the meetings, maybe he could have told you that, but I don't
know. Somehow that isn't allowed
anyway. So one of the listener or one of
the one of the guys in my chat of my YouTube stream yesterday
was telling me the story about Nick Mullens that made me
recontextualize the entire thing that I think about Kyle
Shanahan. Apparently Nick Mullins is like
the most dialed in backup quarterback of all time.
Apparently this guy after games hangs out at Levi Stadium, has
noise cancelling headphones on with crowd noise in and runs
through the entire game plan. Like makes all the throws and
stuff after the game is just like locked in, dialed in.
Cannot wait to be called upon. And I think pretty clearly the
Purdy thing is just he was way better than scouts ever.
Yeah, like Purdy was really good.
Pretty. Just pretty, just a good player,
you know, I mean, obviously. Because you look at the system,
I wrote this up like with the walkthrough and stuff heading
into the game and I've been writing for weeks like Purdy is
not playing like he people think of Purdy.
He's not playing Garoppolo ball at no, he's.
Been playing great. He's been playing so good.
He's got a long time to throw he he moves around, he makes plays.
He's taking more risk like he's not.
This is not like a system that's producing like these constant
easy button throws for him. He's having to actually Sprint
like make plays on his own create for himself, which wasn't
really true as much when he started.
He used to play more Garoppolo ball and I mean everyone would
like to play Garoppolo ball. You get to be Jimmy garoppolo
level talent and look amazing in the numbers.
It's good, it's a good deal. But if you know, if you don't
have that system, can you actually make plays on your own?
And Purdy's proven, I think very, very clearly that he can
do that. But then yes, stepping into to
fill the void Brandon Allen all of a sudden I think makes it
even clearer what Purdy was holding up for this team.
Here's here's something I'd like to put into the universe. 49ers
are eliminated from playoff contention.
CMC just looks like ass. He's he's clearly I don't know
if he's injured or if it's just it's just, you know, we're done
here. Which would happen to 29 year
old running or 28 year old running backs.
Imagine that Jordan, which? Is how old Saquon is going to be
next year when? We just imagine.
That we're going to take him at the one-on-one, that's what
then. Reverses Dobbins tonight, by the
way. Let's go.
Yeah. Jordan Mason, who you need in
the fantasy football playoffs, comes all the way back.
Around to. Be Jordan Mason, Yeah.
Fine. What do we know about advance
rates when it comes to Mason? Like, is he somebody?
I mean, I, I got to a point I, I told you, Pat, a little bit
later, early in the in the season and like, I caught up or
went even, you know, went farther than that on, on Mason.
But now it feels like just another guy took more dead
weight on the bench. 18%, so basically basically average.
He could be, he could be one of those guys where you're like, we
knew, yeah, he could be a big one.
And Buffalo, Chicago, then Rams, Dolphins and Lions in the
fantasy playoffs. It's just, I mean, yeah,
McCaffrey just looks bad, man. Like he just looked complete.
Like no chance was he going to matter yesterday.
Like you turn that game on, you watch the first series and
you're like, oh, this is not happening.
Like I go I if I like like late swap to McCaffrey on a couple
teams because I knew he was going to be like 10% and I was
like, well, I immediately want to take that one back.
I don't, I don't like that. Should we have all known to bet
Green Bay? I mean, I know it's always.
Sort of I. Did bet Green Bay?
Should we have all known to do that?
Like on Friday after the news came out on Purdy, it was 5 1/2.
I don't know where it ended, but should we have all just known
that that was easy? I mean, that's Green Bay is not
exactly been crushing and ends up being just sort of an easy
game. I mean, we got the Bills,
Niners, Bills Sunday night. The game opened at three 3 1/2
and then it went to seven. Like is that just a Gimme for
the Bills or is it not that easy?
It's, it's probably that easy, although, you know, we just
don't, we just don't, no. So Bosa was out and they can't
really stop the run. So that I think in a way it was
like the Packers are like the worst team to face.
Like if you you know, Jordan Love's going to take deep shots.
God, that Christian Watson drive.
Christian Watson. You know, he, he, he's attacking
downfield. They're picking their spots.
They're a run heavy team. Packers have been run heavy all
season, not just with Willis and the the 49ers are not good
against the run. So you know, and then if you're,
if Love has time to throw, when he does drop back, you're going
to be in trouble. The Bills, I don't know.
I mean, the Bills will be interesting.
They've they've definitely shifted to the run more and they
have a solid run game, but they're not as built around the
run as the Packers are. They want to be, but you're
right, Minnesota, how about their last three weeks winning
in Jacksonville, then Tennessee in Chicago, three in a row on
the road, all competitive wins. I mean, yesterday was at least
that you know, Davis what what I think part of, if I may Davis's
appeal is like the Gil cast last night.
You just sort of like a ready for Davis to sort of like this
is the end of the world, whatever, you know, what's just
happened, best ball DFS, whatever it is.
So I'm in one of these FPC hard way leagues with Davis and he
might not want to mention it, but he's going to.
I think you're going to get through and you did it yesterday
and I want to hear if you if you remember, it's sort of like what
the process was on that you had. So everybody's on by for Davis's
team, Pat and you've got these other hard hitters in there and
you got there Addison, DJ Moore. So Addison comes up with 30
points in that game. How did that happen?
Hawkinson was there, Jefferson was not.
What were the takeaways on the? You know what to be to be
honest, Mike, I would have sacrificed not making the
playoffs in this league for one God damn.
Justin Jefferson 30 burger. It's really all that I ask,
right? Justin Jefferson having a 40
yard touchdown called back by like, I mean, granted it was
offensive pass interference, but still, it's just like, can
something good happen to Justin Jefferson?
What has he done to deserve this man?
It's not it's really not. It's really not fair.
But yeah, Mike, I, I was looking at team yesterday morning and I
was like, I did not plan well for these bye weeks at all
because it's a bangle. It was a full Bengals team,
Burrow, Chase Brown, T Higgins team with Darnell Mooney.
Like Jake Ferguson was my flex starter all year, but it I mean,
it will be it will be nice to have one FFPC lineup to set the
playoffs for. I've I've been running.
Actually, I think I'll probably have a couple.
I think, Corinne, I think you and I have a team actually that
we funnily need Derrick Henry tonight, which is, let me tell
you, a little bit of a conflicting emotion.
Co Co owning a team with with with Pat where we need Derrick
Henry to score a bunch of points tonight.
Yeah, that's always your story. That's always the story.
You guys with Derrick Henry is like, Oh well, somebody else
roped me into it. You know we had crack the only.
FFPC. Wasn't it the fourth things?
It was the 4th. This one, This one was me and
Pete. Pete and I were like, guys,
let's not be. No, no, I think I was on board.
I'm pretty. Let me have this Derrick Henry
share. I'm pretty sure I was on board.
That's how you guys do it. It definitely was.
It definitely. I'll say this, I don't remember
your reaction. I knew Gretsch was not, did not
want to do it. And me and Pete.
I think he was on. OK, I will.
I'm going to go back and watch now because.
My, let's be real, Let's be real, The only reason we wanted
it was because of Bestball Brain.
We said, dude, it's so combinatorially unique.
You never get Derek Henry in the fourth round.
That's all it was. It wasn't because we liked
Henry, It was we we liked. We liked the combo.
At least we're in it together. That's yeah, that's the case.
But he. Would have been on board for
that, but I, I yeah, I'm going to go see.
A. It's content.
Dude, we actually, this is
disgusting. We actually need 32 points from
Henry and I'm like, Oh my God, I just know what's going to
happen. He's going to have 21 points in
the first half and we're going to be in that horrible position
being like, well, do we sacrifice everything else, all
every other? We're literally digging around
in the little bag of our advance rate to find one more team to
sacrifice. Can I give you this one?
Yeah, you know. I mean, I mean it's.
An insanely good team, so I do want it to advance.
Patrick No, I mean how in tough was Davis?
He started de veto yesterday in this thing like needing points
and put up 157. Best I could do was 147 and we
fell like maybe 15 points shorter else we would have had
you. But our fancy team was not
DeVito equipped or Addison or DJ Moore.
Quarterback. Everyone had me locked out of
quarterback. Now this I did want.
I did want to make sure we covered this today.
Caleb Williams was always good. DJ Moore was always a good pick.
Keenan Allen is fat, but it doesn't matter.
The Cole Comet drafters were directionally accurate.
The DeAndre Swift drafters were directionally accurate.
If if Shane Waldron had been fired in like Week 6, the Bears
could be a playoff team. Caleb Williams is.
Very good. The problem with this take is
the for Shane Waldron to get fired in week six, they have to
be even worse. It had to be.
Terrible. So like you have the point.
The points were always like, you know, you press, you try to lift
up, it goes down in another place.
You know what? You're right.
We. Should have the blankets.
It is the too small blanket theory.
Caleb is just a great player though.
He's good. I mean, he looked great
yesterday. It was fun.
Defend a Hail Mary in their five and two after that game and
Washington if it loses is what right now?
6:00 and 6:00. It's a good thing they didn't.
That was pre Waldron firing right?
Yep, that Hail Mary saved their season.
OK, well, you like Chicago DJ Moore, big day yesterday.
Oh, doomsday. You didn't mention him in that.
What about him for what he was as a pick?
Well he is the worst fit for this new part of the offense.
Like I think he's better then. Worst fitbears.com.
Worst fitbears.com Yeah, because more is like the the gadget
screen. Well, well, Moore has like such
the perfect profile for fantasy because he gets the design
stuff, but he's also so good down the field.
Like if DJ Moore could just play in a normal offense just once,
just one, one season, you know, and it's never going to happen.
DJ Moore is going to have retired, never playing.
Dude, he's going to go to the Chiefs at the end of his career
and it's he's going to be too old and it's going to be like a
little fun, but not like as fun as it could have been.
Like he's going to land on the Chiefs, right?
That's He's the perfect 30. Maybe, maybe the Bills, maybe
the Bills, maybe the Bengals, maybe the Bengals, once he gets
cheap enough for the Bengals to sign.
So when he's when he's like a $9 million a year guy at 32.
Or, or see your point all the way through and they're good,
Williams is good and they make it.
I mean, Mclaurin was a version of this, right?
Wasn't Mclaurin also somebody who never had the quarterback?
Maybe not as well liked as a player?
He's not as good. Right.
He's not as good. More, more is like, well, I,
it's one of my deep, deep held beliefs that DJ Moore is like
the 8th best wide receiver in football and we've just never
really got to see it. Like he, he runs circles around
someone like George Pickens, like George Pickens could never
Pickens. George Pickens is he's better.
He's he's better down the field, but he does not have the after
the catch the DJ Moore does. Sure, but I mean Pickens is like
one of the best contested catch guys in the league and gets open
now. Well, he always got open.
That was the secret. No, he didn't.
He used to be. It was all like this stuff.
It was all body on body. I still catch and now he's like
wide open. And also getting in fights with
fans. I mean, shout out to George.
Picken A. Truly phenomenal.
Play the dog levels between Pickens and Moore.
Like Moore was like literally like hung head like going off
the field. Early walked off the field
right. Yeah, I mean, come on, the dog
levels are not. Which like to, you know, to be
honest, I kind of get it from DJ Moore's perspective.
Like this has been his entire career.
His entire career has been trying to wrangle passes from
like the worst idiots of all time.
And then? He gets down at one point, a
bright spot for him. Anyways, to go back to the
original question, Rome has the worst role for what Thomas Brown
wants to do because what they want to do is they just want to
get the ball as quick as possible right now.
And and Rome is like a classic boundary rookie wide receiver.
So like he just has not learned all the tricks of the trade yet.
I I think Rome is a very good player and I'm not like I'm not
like selling Rome stock or anything right now and Keenan
probably won't be on the team next year I would imagine.
I don't think so. That's that's greatfitchiefs.com
33 year old Keenan Allen is is greatfitchiefs.com.
You can go ahead. You can go ahead and get your
your Photoshop. Keenan Allen, 36 on the Chiefs.
I think it's like 32. I don't think it's 30.
Three, I think. OK 33 on the Chiefs Rishi Rice
coming off an ACL tariff spider man meme.
Bears, Lions, Thanksgiving morning.
Glad you guys like it. I mean, Giants, Cowboys, it's
what, 10 1/2 and. No Bear Bears, lions is going to
be good. Put, put that, put that on the
record right now that is going to.
Be good. I think that'll be good too.
What's good? The Bears will have a lead in
that game in a way that at some point.
OK. That I don't know about because
you can run on the bears, OK, But yeah, I could see it.
I could see it. I could see the lines going up
and then the bears storming back for like a 10/3.
They leave 10/3 at one point. Three, what do you guys know
about 10? Seven, You want to amend that?
Yeah. What do you guys know about
Montgomery after yesterday? He left but didn't anyone back
in. He said he's going to play and
Campbell said he's going to play.
That doesn't mean he's going to because it could be, oh, this is
worse than I thought when we get back to the right, right
facility situation. And we're 10 point favorite
again. Can Montgomery miss one game so
that my sionvaki thesis can play out can he miss one game can he
miss one game dude, just one. I just do you know the joy
watching Sionvaki catch a six yard swing pass against the
bears on Thanksgiving would be almost as good as.
The same for the Internet. Is it Reynolds?
The Montgomery guy. No, Vaki's like 220 lbs.
He he and he does not look very fast in his limited NFL action
so. You think?
Lauby, Lauby yesterday, by the way, you guys, you guys see that
kick return? Yeah, but did he play?
He didn't. They he did not imagine running
sincere. No.
Sincerely. Amir Abdullah ran 47 rounds
yesterday after a previous career high of 40 offensive
snaps. I mean, I pat remember the the
deep end Invitational you guys did and I was on with with you
all and I said, like, is there anybody that you haven't drafted
even one time this this year? I mean, I, I, I wonder another
question I'm having about the best ball season process is just
whether we get weird enough at the end.
And it's sort of easy to say, yeah, I mean, it's easy to say
no because there are all these injuries and random things.
But look at Carolina yesterday against Kansas City, where, you
know, Bryce Young back in looked OK, But every week there's
somebody I've never heard of that night.
I mentioned Cedric Tillman for this and I don't know, like
there's a little bit of a life there, but who is Devin
Tompkins? I mean, David Moore had a better
game, but there's always these sort of I I.
Literally thought that was Ken Burrell Tompkins.
By the way, just like for a moment I was like, is that Ken
Burrell Tompkins? Karan, are you in the stream
yard? Yeah.
Just just do the share screen thing.
Just for a second. I just shared my screen.
I just want to show the funniest possible thing, which was that
everyone mocked me for picking Taysom Hill as a quarterback in
this format. And I said, buddy, he's flex
eligible because this is super flex.
I used in this deep end Invitational that we are all in
together. I used Taysom Hills 42.5.
Me too. I just, I just, I just, I just
wanted, I just wanted that out there that I used quarterback
taste. Of those points last week, was
that last week against Atlanta? And I I probably have used them
like at another. Point.
Yeah, I probably used them more. Don't show those screenshots.
Don't show, don't show those Bo Bo Nicks is my quarterback too
in that league, so maybe it's OK.
Yeah, I don't think I had them in that, but I've I've seen that
on a couple of best ball screens.
Jalen Waddle yesterday, kind of the Vince Mcmahan meme where
it's like the three faces and it's Waddle maybe and Addison
and then Keenan Allen. What do we take from Miami?
I thought it was a really, really good match up for Miami
and the announcers, you know, because I I have the patriots
game on usually one of the screens.
So I was, I was listening to what they were saying and they
were like beside themselves with because The funny thing about
the Patriots is that like their offensive coaching and
preparation is like a dumpster fire, but they're also terrible
on defense. So like, I don't have, I get the
feeling they're going to bring everybody back.
But like, there's just no, it's just completely indefensible.
But here we are. But the announcers were just
like Miami's whole thing is like throwing to the middle of the
field. Like you can't have these throws
open and as like those words are leaving his mouth like another
throw over the middle to like Tyreke or Janu or Waddle.
Like they were just crushing them over the middle of the
field, which is what we saw with the Rams a little bit the the
week before. But the Dolphins were even more
aggressive about it and more successful.
So I think in some ways it was probably match up.
I mean, a lot of ways it's probably like this was kind of
the match up for the Dolphins passing and we have this this
Patriots defense that doesn't really get much pressure.
They get some pressure, but they're not great and they leave
the middle of the field wide open.
Like that's like a dream spot for the Dolphins, you know, and
we didn't see this the first time because they had Huntley in
the first match up. So.
It doesn't really. Get much better, yeah, they want
anybody anyway. But yeah, it just doesn't get
much better for for the Dolphins, and therefore it
doesn't really get much better for for Waddle, who's really
been the number 2 to when Johnny's on the field, they
really target him so. Led the team in targets
yesterday. Yeah, I don't have a ton of
faith for a waddle to keep this going.
And I said that somebody drafted a lot of them.
So. Oh, Johnny, Johnny.
Was just a better fit for what they're doing in the offense
right now. They want to get the ball out
really quickly right now. Yeah right.
I think the two of concussion maybe changed some some of the
game planning a little bit. It's like get the ball out.
He has the fastest time to throw in the league lowest freshman.
Do not let him get hit, which makes.
Jonna Smith Jonna Smith was always good, right?
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, always good.
We we kind of got psyoped by spending a year in in New
England. But like who amongst us you
know? With Henry and then maybe one
year after they drafted 2 tight ends in one draft.
Can you guys remember those names?
Oh God. No, Oh God damn it.
I should remember one of them was Keene Dalton Keene.
And and then one of them was I drafted the Aussie Aussie that.
No. Yes, wow.
Wasn't it? Yeah back-to-back 10 picks apart
in the third round in 2020, New England, Asiasi and Dalton Keene
that's the that's the some deep end stuff I.
Believe I'd use those brain cells to draft more sago on
Berkeley. Huh.
That would have been. I know, right?
So let's get a Chiefs report from Davis.
Another Chiefs game, 3027, because Carolina, the Mahomes
run late. At least you got some numbers
out of Pat, but more of the same.
And maybe that's just fine, right?
That's been the story all. Year that is not more of the
same. That is not how they've played
33 passing touchdowns in a game they led the whole way.
Not more of the same, Pat. They're they're just more
consistently. The thing that has been
frustrating if you were a Mahomes guy is for most of the
season they have flipped what Andy Reid has historically done,
which is he passes too much in the red zone to the point of
being a detriment. Then this year he must have done
some some self scouting and then like, well, let's just run the
ball and cream Hunt was really good at it.
Cream Hunt has not been that good at it.
And and he also Mahomes has the autonomy to change the play down
there if he sees something. That was what the Noah Gray one
was yesterday, which was kind of illuminating and should be we
should think about things like this.
The Noah Gray's second touchdown was a Cover 0.
Mahomes saw it before the snap. You can hear him on the
broadcast. He goes 000 and they run that
spacing route where Kelsey is underneath Gray and Mahomes
throws that ball before Gray even looks, which is like,
that's pretty for for. I mean, no, Gray's been achieved
for a long time, but that is pretty big trust for a guy who
has not been a big part of their offense.
Now, before we get 2 out of our skis on Noah Gray, his five
touchdowns in the last six quarters of football equal his
career touchdown totals from the week.
I mean, we've seen guys, we've seen backup tight ends do this
before. Like we've all seen A2 touchdown
Austin Hooper game in our lives. You know, I, I and Gray's routes
were really high against the Bills and they totally regressed
back on this one. He ran fewer routes than any of
the wide receivers. So the fifth most routes have
been or the 6th most routes of any pass catcher.
So I'm not like crazy. These guys have sometimes popped
up later as reliable starters. So I think it's still bullish
for great long term. Like I think didn't Tyler
Conklin first enter our lives as one of these dudes And.
I mean, there's been these guys for time in Memoriam.
They just they don't have the right role on the original team.
I mean, I would I think Gray is going to play a ton in the
playoffs, like like a lot. The thing for our purposes, like
for best ball and for even for DFS, like this is just not
really like playoff best ball. He's going to be great.
He's like, he's like, if you're doing the Mahomes stuff, you
well, actually weirdly, by the way, the Chiefs are like going
to be brutal for playoff best ball because they are the
favorites to make the Super Bowl in the.
AFC. They're they're also gonna be on
the bye very likely, but they also don't score any fantasy
points in the games they play in.
So it's gonna be like getting Chiefs players to the final in
playoff baseball is gonna be very hard when like Xavier
Worthy scoring 6 points, Hopkins scoring 9, Kelsey scoring 10,
and Pacheco Hunt and P Reiner dicing up the backfield three
ways. Wait a minute, wait a minute.
Last week you said, oh, the Bills will get the one that
changed because they beat Carolina by a field goal with
the gun. No the Bills.
That was just never supported by the match.
The Bills were always because I, I spent the last week dialing in
the, the playoff Sims that we have and you know, for the
playoff baseball stuff and the the Bills are have a good chance
for the one, but they never were the favorite for the one.
I, I wouldn't, well, you're not ruling it out.
But look, Buffalo is getting San Francisco now in their current
state. Then they go, what?
Yeah, OK. The last three weeks, to me, are
the interesting things about those two teams.
If they're one game apart and the Bills would win on ties, the
Bills go Patriots, Jets, Patriots, where they're playing
backups, you know, in tank mode. Whereas the Chiefs go what,
Davis, Houston, Pittsburgh, Denver.
I mean, that's different. Those are teams playing for
their lives. Yeah, the Bills.
The Bills have the harder schedule, but they're also the
better team. So like, it really could get
like the Chiefs could have lost to the Panthers yesterday.
That doesn't sound like the harder schedule.
I mean, they they go Niners, Rams, Lions 1st and that's
different than what Kansas City is up to.
But Kansas City has the Chargers again, too.
Yeah. The the the 49ers 1 is, is like
huge. If they don't have Purdy.
That's just such a big difference.
Because when you look, when we're looking at the schedule
for the Bills, it's like the issue is that they have these
two games where they're like either they're like coin flips
to to win the game, the the 49ers and the the Detroit game.
And then there's some some easier matchups as well.
But the Chiefs also have an easier matchups.
So and the Chiefs don't have any game.
I think the Chiefs and the look headlines were favored by at
least four and all of them. So taking one of those games for
the Bills and moving it to like kind of a soft matchup is.
The betting markets have favored Kansas City in this way.
Maybe this that would sort of run concurrent with the with The
Sims. Also, if if you care, today is
November 25th here in Western New York.
We have not had one snowflake yet.
It's the latest we've ever gone without.
I mean, I've I've lived through storms the first week of October
that were like just everybody came to a stop coming up on end
of November. Not yet, maybe Sunday.
And that's Sunday Night Football is.
That good or bad? Do you want snow or do you not
want snow as a Bill's fan? Maybe it's sunny today.
I'm walking the dog. I'm fine with that.
I think for your life I'm. Sure.
As as a Bills, as a Bills fan, you want the snow because the
whole thesis is Josh Allen is built differently and these guys
can't do what Josh can do in the elements, right?
I guess that. Also when it's scoring and you
have the higher scoring. That, that is Liam's theory.
I should point out that that is chess.
Liam's theory as to why as to why the Bills should not build
the Dome. I think that's a part of why
they drafted him. You know, they talked about I, I
mocked it all the time. Like they talked about the size
of his hands. Like, come on, can we get, can
we stop with the ground and pound and feeling like the, the
best teams the Bills have ever had were, you know, run and gun
in the early 90s. Yet like every time we sort of
have to default to, Oh, well, it's going to be cold and windy
and I, I just, he's, he's pretty good indoors, Allen.
Imagine drafting a guy because he has big hands and then he
turns out to be Josh Allen and they turned out to be Josh
Allen. That was just.
Part of it. I got to be honest, I'm I'm very
split with this because like I would prefer the chiefs win the
Super Bowl and it's much easier for them to win the Super Bowl
if they don't have to play the wild card game.
But I also like to win money at playoff best ball and I know
myself well enough to know that I can't not take Chiefs players
in that format, particularly when there's data to support
taking them as picks. So I almost would rather them
not get the one seed so that they have to play the the wild
card round, you know? They just and their prices move
up, though. Their prices move up.
Why? But I think.
But you can. They can.
Yeah, I see.
But I've also already drafted 150 teams in the one contest
with like a lot of Chiefs. So the other thing about playoff
best ball too, is that you have this dynamic where there's like
really only 5 quarterbacks that you want to take and there's six
teams. So when you're drafting out of
the one hole, you're like praying that you get a
quarterback back. And if, if Mahomes comes back,
you're like slam, you're like, yes.
So by the time the gauntlet comes around.
By the time the gauntlet comes around, you won't be able to do
that anymore. You could do that sometimes.
You could start Barkley and get Hertz at the 2-3 turn.
By the time that the that people have descended upon the gauntlet
and the Mitten that will be over the the quarterbacks will be
picks three through 10. Yeah, I don't think you need to
take what it is, but what I think I think Allen should be a
first round pick because he might get Personally, I'm
rooting for the Bills not to get the buy very selfishly for
playoff basketball reasons, I want the Bills as a hammer.
I want to be able to bet on the Bills to go to the Super Bowl 4
games and win and win the Super Bowl, Mike, but but that part
doesn't really matter for my bags.
But go to the Super Bowl and just be the absolute hammer,
advance rate hammer the entire way because that allows me to
build teams like I want to in playoff basketball where I don't
have to like focus a ton on my advance rate pieces.
I'm just like focusing on which teams are going to make the
Super Bowl and if the Bills don't have the buy, they they
could just absolutely roll in those in that first round and
help you get the teams through so.
It's been that for the last three or four years each time,
because they have never gotten the buy and they have played
Mason Rudolph and Skyler Thompson in the first round and
they've won those games and that's been fine.
You say 5 quarterbacks, so I want to guess Alan Mahomes,
Jackson Hertz, Goff, are those the five?
And and last week you guys did great talking about like, well,
it's early enough where you want to play the chalk at this point
when it comes to playoff baseball tournaments.
Once we get past that, can I interest either of you in
Mayfield? I mean, the passing is there.
They have an easy schedule there.
A game behind Atlanta, which goes into the winner to the by
is kind of a mess. You know, when when we get to a
point where we want to take chances, if you will.
Maybe he's interesting. Well, I mean those types of
plays are already interesting. You, you probably want to mix in
sparingly the teams that might not make the play offs, but you
have to cover. You don't have to in the AFC.
You could you could take the Chiefs and then bet that they
don't get the buy. You could take the Bills.
I am with the Bills. I am just kind of betting they
don't get the buy. But if you want to cover that
buy, it's better to do it with an NFC quarterback because then
you at least have the out of them also making the Super Bowl.
I I think that is way too FPS, that is very fancy play because
the way the market was and we'll see what happens when the gala
it opens is you could just do Packers, you can finish.
Packers. Packers is better.
You can finish every draft. Love Watson Wicks, love Watson
craft, love Dobbs. Whoever or or the The market
actually got woke to this at the end, but the Chargers, Dobbins,
Dobbins, Herbert Ladd, you. Know you can do you can do
Steeler stuff at the end too, which is it's not fun, but like
they're making it. I I just only like I learned my
lesson I think with this last year with the Flacco bullshit
where like I I did I did some brown stuff at the end to be my
bye week advance pieces. And if I think a team is
legitimately 0% like in nose I ran 80,000 simulations.
They didn't make the Super Bowl once.
Their expectation is just too bad.
But it's not the Super Bowl, it's the conference
championship. Because you you wouldn't take
rush. They only got there.
They only got there in seven of my 80,000 simulations, the
Browns, and I still took them. So that was, yeah.
Well, that's probably not. Enough.
That was a bad pick. Yeah.
And and if you're doing purely to cover bye week, we want to
draft teams that are live for all the teams to make the
conference championship. But like, you know, you get to
the end, you're like, what team can win round one?
And then we'll kind of take it from there and help me cover
that by. NFC is set up for just a really
good first week. You have teams like the Vikings
and the Packers on the road against the Falcons or the Bucks
and the Cardinals or the Seahawks.
You know they'll be there. Could be a couple of Rd.
favorites in the NFC playoffs first round.
We'll see if Washington can get home at this point.
Yeah, once I know who's playing the Falcons, that road, that
road team against the Falcons, you're like.
Oh my God, you're gonna, you're gonna Michael Panics.
Michael Panics is starting that game.
I think. Sam, Sam, Sam, rest in peace to
Sam. He tweeted that that Michael
Panics is gonna be starting that game.
But if it's Minnesota, how could they?
How could they deprive us? Deprive us of a Kirk versus the
Vikings first round game, but. Well Kirk Kirk not showing up
for that game would be pretty on brand so.
It sure. It sure would.
People people forget his Rd. overtime playoff win against
Brees and the Saints. They they forget.
That the Minnesota Vikings, dude, please, I'm begging you,
dude, can we just get one Justin Jefferson game?
Just. One so they play the Falcons in
the next couple weeks. Yes, I think next.
I think maybe next. Yeah, I I think that could be
the game, Davis. I was eyeing that up.
Somehow, somehow that's going to be somehow that's going to be a
Cam Akers game. Week 14 for all the advanced
rate money Atlanta at Minnesota. All right.
Jefferson having a 41 point underdog game.
Would I? I bet that would be worth 5
teams to me if I had to guess. I'll be rooting for you.
Happy Thanksgiving Davis and Pat and everybody for watching
today. I'm Mike show, Pat Crane, Davis
Matic ABP chasing. See you next week.
Hang on, I got to get the answer.