Thursday night and boy do we have a challenge.
We need to save a Thursday Night Football match up between the
Carolina Panthers and the Chicago Bears.
But I think, I think we are equipped to do it.
We got Robert May swinging by in the second quarter.
We got some fun pick'em sweats dialed up, see if we can keep
this heater going. If we hit our core entry, we'll
give away another $100 to one of you guys out there watching
tonight. And of course we got Steph
Miller swinging by to give us the recap from week 10 waivers,
how our high stakes teams are doing.
It's the ship cast with Pete, Ben and Pat.
Let's go Pat Fryer helmos. This is why.
This is why I'm hot Anita. Henjov.
Fix your sights. Jamar Alpha Play Chase, are you?
Kidding me, you. Can't handle the heat?
It looks like we're finally fixed.
Boys, you're right. All right.
We are live as that cold open was finishing.
I was just envisioning imagine if we were, if we had done a
ship cast on that for that Jets game.
Oh God dude, we should have. Britney was so mad.
She 'cause she, I mean she has pretty small on our fans
football team. Like, you know, like where does
she get her ideas? Yeah, where does she get ideas
exactly? But she was just watching Zach
Wilson and she's just like, this is so bad.
Like this is a professional football game.
Like what is happening? And I just, it just really made
me love her, to be honest. I'm so happy how upset she was.
Sean and I had a bunch of really close sweats with these guys
that we talked a little bit about on today.
Anna's and I wrote about on on Tuesday in my introduction to
stealing signals that we had some close losses.
I hadn't checked our whole portfolio when I wrote that I
had four games decided by 10 points or less where I had Bruce
Hall or Garrett Wilson. Turns out I had.
Seven losses where I had either Garrett Wilson or Bruce Hall and
lost by 10 or fewer points. Only one with you guys.
But six other losses dude, No. So I think 2 with you guys the
the Fantasy Pros championship team we have Breeze Hall was on
that team and it lost by like 5 points and I don't I rarely
watch full island games that aren't the ship cast and but for
some reason I I stuck that one out.
I don't know. I had built some Pickam entries.
I had some Showdown live. So I watched it all out and it
is so frustrating. And I know I'm speaking to the
choir, to everyone here, but how Electric Breece Hall and Garrett
Wilson. Look at all in their hands.
They play at a different speed than ever, like Breece's spin
moves and how silky he is. So silky and and it's you're
just like, holy shit. He.
He leans. Forward when he runs he's like a
he's like a Raptor in Jurassic Park.
Like this dude is gaming on everyone at all times.
Like I'm afraid for the Defenders.
When he's running like he's hunting them.
Well it it's crazy like he gets up to speed so quickly I think
is what's and and to be able to do the spin moves and stuff and
then like get back up to speed that's what's so fun about him.
But yeah it's just Zach Wilson. I mean, I.
It's like one of those things when I was riding the
walkthrough, I was just like I've run out of things to say
that I found some things, I found some things to say about
that, but it's just it's so consistent, like every single
week and by the advanced stuff he's just, he's terrible every.
Single week. And you think, like, because
there was like a period where the discourse about him would
shift a lot every week. You know, like, oh they're,
they're, But it's just based on how well the defense played,
like he was fucking shit. Hit every single game this
season? It's just so.
Frustrated. The was the Chiefs game not half
decent? That was the one game where it
wasn't that good. I'll put, I'll put it's like
literally he threw more passes. And so that was the first game
where he actually started, and I heard about this this week a
little bit, but he started standing in the pocket a little
bit more 'cause when you go. I went back through everything I
wrote about him this year a little bit this week And when
you when you looked at the beginning of the year when when
they had Fitzpatrick on the Manning cast, Peyton Manning and
Fitzpatrick and those guys, 'cause they're on Monday night
when Aaron Rodgers tours Achilles.
And it was one of the first snaps and they had Wilson the
whole game and they were so mad at him for bailing out of the
pocket, but but not extending plays.
Sean and I are talking about it a little bit today and he was
talking about like comparing it to same how, how, how extend
plays, but those guys extend plays laterally and then can
take off and run. When when Zach Wilson runs, it's
it's a huge U-turn. It's a 20 yards back and then
he's lucky to get back to the line of scrimmage.
It's so annoying. He runs, he he like goes really
far back and then he like after he goes far back then he starts
running still back but it's like a a lower angle and then he like
tries to do AC back. And then he whips the ball out
of bounds like it's the worst fucking.
Or he runs. He runs out of bounds at the
line of scrimmage and you're like, that's what you scrambled.
You ran 70 yards to get back to the line of scrimmage.
That's your scramble. You can't gain 10 yards and get
to the first down marker on a scramble at the sideline because
you're so deep. And but he did, in the cheese
game finally start staying in the pocket.
What's so funny about that is then he just started taking
sacks like constantly because he has no fuel for the pocket.
They they obviously talked to him about staying in the pocket
first four games, three or fewer sacks every game.
Next 4-4 or more in every game. He had eight on Monday night.
He's just like any, like until that strip sack late, like five
other passes he had, it looked like he was going to get strip
sacked. As he goes back to throw, you're
like, how do you not feel that guy like that's going to be a
turnover? I mean, he just, I think what
happened with that Chiefs game is the the the narrative ran out
of control because Patrick Mahomes also had a bad game and
he eclipsed him in like a bunch of those counting stats, right?
Didn't he have like more completions, more yards?
And so that narrative was like Jack Wilson outdueled Patrick
Mahomes and then that colored everyone's mind of like, maybe
Zach Wilson's got it. He just went toe to toe with
Mahomes on prime time and was like, no, that's not actually.
What happened in terms of EPA could play in week four, He was
nearly five times better than he had been in week two or week 3
when you compared to the percentiles.
But he was 7th percentile and he paid for play in those in those
weeks jumps to 34th percentile. So I guess like maybe there's
like more like jumping around than than I said, except like
it's all that's the highest he's been all season.
So it's all like bottom third or lower.
And he just kind of bounces around in the shit, the absolute
shit zone. A little bit.
But like, well, the other interesting thing about the
Chiefs was he really did stand in the pocket and deliver more
balls. And I think maybe it caught the
Chiefs off guard a little bit. But then other teams were like,
wait, you're going to stay in the pocket and we can just bring
pressure. You have no feel for the pocket.
Like, that's what Brandon Staley did.
He is a smart defensive coordinator when there's like an
easy scheme advantage and they just like found ways to get
pressure. And then collapse the pocket and
he can't handle that. But he's being coached to stay
in there because like they they know that he can't turn and run
backwards 30 yards. That's not going to work either.
So he's standing in there. But then I mean once teams
figured out, oh he's going to stand in there and he can't feel
any of this pressure, we're going to get pressure on him and
he's he's just absolutely lost. He's lost.
Yeah. I also, I also think that Colin
plays really silly. Like they they have a really low
password of expected on 1st down.
But not that low of a password of expected overall, which is in
my opinion the exact opposite of the way you should be handling
things. They should be like whatever
cool screen pass or you know your best passing play you got.
Call all of those on 1st down and just really fucking hope you
can get to 2nd and three because second and three is like a
miracle. And then do whatever you want.
You run the ball right? You got an explosive running
back, so running the ball twice on on a second down is is fine.
That's exactly right. The it's the obvious, not
obvious passing downs it's way easy.
They're they're that's this has been split and looked at and
it's they're called obvious and not obvious because when you
throw on like first and 10 where it's not obvious, the efficiency
is much better. The feel and ketch I was
laughing at because we talked about whether to play his
fantasy points or his receptions he got negative yardage.
So it was a halfway PPR. It was really pushing us to the
reception. So that was exactly right.
We should have been going there. I did just pull up our court
entry Pick'ems tonight. I was waiting until the first
down in this game to show all of our hires in this game.
We do have Adam Thielen higher than 6 1/2 receptions.
We got Chuba Hubbard higher than 8.45 points.
I know that line closed a little higher as did the Deontay
Foreman one. Our third one.
We have higher than 9.55 fantasy points here, but very good start
for this drive with Adam Thielen 2 catches here.
Yeah, one of the. I mean, we looked at the fancy
points versus the receptions. He's gone over the they had a
fancy points line of about like 12.5.
He's gone over that in four of eight games.
It was the four games that he scored T DS in.
He's gone over the receptions line, the 6 1/2 in six of eight
games. He's had multiple games where he
caught more than 6 1/2 balls. But because it's a dot so low
and and he's not gaining a ton of yards necessarily.
He didn't actually get to 12 half PPR fantasy points.
So you're like, all right, well let's we'll just play the
reception so far, 2 catches for I think like 5 yards, 4 yards.
So we're you guys. Did you see what just happened
on that play, Bryce? Young.
Bryce Young can't do He stares down Adam Thielen, who's like
not open at all. And he's like, oh crap, he's not
open. And then he runs and then he
looks at Adam Thielen again. He's still not open.
So then he just runs to where Adam Thielen was.
OK, but if Zack Wilson did that with Garrett Wilson, it would
be, it would be a monstrous improvement.
If Zack Wilson could do this with Garrett Wilson, it would be
amazing because there was one play that killed you just run to
the open space that Garrett Wilson found first.
Yeah, exactly. There's there's so many plays
where obviously I'm, I'm hyper focused on Garrett Wilson and
I'm sure a lot of us are. There's so many plays in the
game where it's like, OK, he has, he has one-on-one coverage.
You just need to throw the ball up to him, 'cause you're taking
sex. But there's one in my mind, I
remember where there was trips left and there was kind of a
safety over. Garrett was the one receiver on
the other side. The safety's kind of shaded to
his side and Zach Wilson drops back and he looks to the trips
side, The safety that was shaded to Garrett Wilson's side, right
at the snap, dead Sprint. They showed the end zone view,
dead Sprint across to the trips side.
I don't know if you guys remember seeing this replay.
But I think that like, it must have been something that they
knew from film, like Staley knew whatever.
That when they show that, that they have the safety shaded over
the one-on-one, that Zach Wilson's gonna look to the other
side of the field and never be able to work his way back.
So they they show the safety and then he just sprints.
He's just gone out the gate. And so disrespectful man.
And and it's rightfully disrespectful.
But, but Zach Wilson has. Bryce Young has to hit that
throw, by the way. Yeah, a little overthrow there.
Zach Wilson stared at the trips the whole play.
No one came open and took a sack like that's.
I mean it's so it's like if you if you can just get back to
Garrett Wilson in one-on-one coverage.
He has the whole side of the field in one-on-one coverage and
he's one of the like. I think Garrett the the most
frustrating thing is I think Garrett Wilson is playing.
Incredible that total open score dude.
I think. I believe, I think he's a top
five wide receiver in the NF. I mean that's there's a lot of
really good receivers. That's a really bold statement.
But like one of the things is. One of the things this offseason
was the Garrett Wilson versus Chris Olave debate, where Olave
had a little bit better per route run stuff and a lot of
people said he should have won the Rookie of the Year.
And I was like, you know, doing my semantical nuanced arguments,
but I was like Garrett Wilson's better.
Like if you actually watched, he's a better player.
And I'm going to make that same argument this offseason.
And Olave hasn't been great. But he might end up with better
numbers again this year because Garrett Wilson's dealing with a
horrible quarterback situation. But Garrett Wilson is so
freaking good. Like the the stuff that he does,
it's just incredible. Let's take a look at our other
five legs. So we kept this core for the two
and then we had a couple of little kind of other
correlations and plays we'd like.
One is a lower here on Tommy Tremble, 9 1/2 receiving yards
to prove we know Ball and Gretch to prove we really know Ball.
A man I definitely knew existed before today.
Frankie Louvou. Higher than 8 1/2 tackles in
assists. Yeah, he's gone over this three
weeks in a row. He's been double digits the last
two weeks. I mean, truth be told, Daigle
said A tweet about this. A little dagle than a tweet?
Oh no, that's our alpha on this is.
Daigle Yeah, he said he's been all over the field the last few
weeks or so and it was a it was an anti Devon Deontay foreman
tweet which we and then we paired it with the over we
played it with well. So then I we had talked a couple
weeks ago and Pat, I knew you liked this one we had.
Had Bryan Robinson on where I was like, yeah, 'cause this
guy's like, he's good enough to get to the line, but not good
enough to, like, break away from the linebackers.
So it's probably a game where the linebacker's gonna get
enough tackles. I like that.
Deontay Foreman's back, too. Yeah, he's set up the
linebackers, the perfect amount of explosiveness.
So if Luke was going all over the place making all these
tackles in the second level, Deontay Foreman and the the
heavy run game that we're playing seems to correlate
right? Like.
Yeah, it's pretty great. Yeah.
So we have that one and then the other one was kind of a fun one.
Gretch really wanted to get some DJ more hires in here which we
liked in the in the five leg here.
We got that in and then we coupled it with the Darnell
Mooney lower. We were actually super in the
weeds looking at the Rotobiz match up.
Raider and the Panthers have been pretty good against the the
past, but primarily the guys in the slot and Darnell Mooney is
running the majority of his routes in the slot this year.
You get DJ Moore outside where they're a little more beatable.
So we kind of like this correlation of Darnell Mooney
goes lower and DJ Moore goes higher here.
Yeah, I think that was fun and we got DJ Moore with that screen
catch. I was kind of intrigued by the
idea of maybe them them trying to get the ball out in the
screen game here because the the Panthers actually have a decent
pass rush, so that might be one and we saw that.
It's not just like a random thought, like we saw that with
Beijing when they when he first came in.
He was like non-stop throwing screen passes to DJ Moore.
So we know what they have that they went away from that the
last few weeks bit, but this would be a spot where you would
want to get the ball out quickly a little bit more.
Already seeing like one wide receiver screen is nice.
One of the concerns that I had with Moore this year was the the
fields, the high rate of scrambles and sacks taken, and
the number of drop backs that don't actually turn to pass
attempts and those things. Moore has been as advertised in
the sense of if one of the stats I was I threw at you guys was
the percentage of like his market share of receiving yards
per week. Like he's had some down games
where the the whole Bears passing game has been down and
they've had several of those games and some of them have come
with Beijing. But Beijing's first start, no
air yards at all. They he got a little more
vertical last week. He had that one pass to Velas
Jones where Velas Jones just fell down and it could have been
a long TDs saw that they made Velas Jones inactive this week.
I'm hoping they're going to let the young guy continue to open
it up, but Moore tends to get his.
He has been a legit number one. They have I think every week and
since since week one he's had at least 20% of their receiving
yards and it's like frequently over 35%.
I think it was like 5 of the weeks it's over, like like you
know, over a third of their receiving yards have gone to to
DJ more. I don't know that necessarily
this is a game where they're going to throw from 300 yards,
but if they throw for like 200? This is a low number for a guy
that's that dominant of a number one, right?
55 yards is like it feels a little disrespectful in the use.
The best thing about DJ Moore is exactly what happened on that
screen game. Two things right Manufactured
touches near the line of scrimmage and letting him cook
after the catch where he's so. Explosive.
So like Deontay Foreman 5 yard run, Frankie Lulu, tackle.
Yeah, I saw the forbid run and I was not dialed into to the.
Freaking yeah. I wasn't even thinking.
Who made the tackle, man. Felt so good.
That was sorry. What number is he saying?
Even though all numbers look the same.
It's 49 and I didn't know it was his number, but I saw Lulu on
another tackle, buddy. No, that's Mooney.
Is that another tackle right there?
Was that Lulu? Yeah, if it's 49.
Oh, baby. Yeah.
Look at him. Run it down.
Oh yeah, that's a tackle I'm behind.
But yes. How did I get so bored?
Dude, that's that's the play. Because Darno Mooney's good
enough to break 1 tackle, but not not that second linebacker
tackle that's we were thinking of that all all along.
Let's see here. All right, where are my Lubu
tackles? Up here.
Love seeing Foreman get fed here.
He just fell on top of Foreman. Can I get an assist?
He was like already down. This is perfect.
The Frankie Lulu sweat is fantastic.
The I will say like. The one thing that's nice about
the core too is just like going with the grain on how these
teams like the Panthers have been getting absolutely gashed
by the run this year. Here's another four man run and
the Bears and Pat, you were pointing this out too.
Like their run defense has been really good on the interior.
And then playing this through kind of the quick hitting
receptions, hopefully a little Chuba in the past game, little
Adam Thielen there. So not not necessarily having to
go contrarian against what these teams do well.
Yeah, I mean Cuba could get like the Cuba one doesn't
necessarily, you know, he is a running back.
So maybe the run defense hurts us there.
But we kind of thought about maybe playing it through the
receptions, thought about playing it through through the
receiving game. Ultimately, we settled on the
fantasy points because I feel like you have more outs there,
but felt comfortable with him getting like a decent amount of
the receiving snaps here. And you know, I would not be
interested in playing Miles Sanders against this this run
defense. And in some ways, maybe the
Bears run defense helps them. You know, shift more towards the
tuba side of things in the backfield.
We can get there on the receiving side if if it's just
totally bottled up on the ground, yeah, we will eventually
need some sustained drives. But from someone, the chat
pointed out that ESPNI just went and checked too, did not give
Luvu the tackle on the Deontay Foreman run.
I'm like, really confident it was.
Luvu, 'cause then I I saw the number, and then I saw his name.
And then it was the same dude that made the tackle on the moon
play the next play. Oh, they're gonna run this punt
bat. Come on, man, tackle him.
No. What's the flag?
There's a flag. Mike, come on, man.
Was was he almost got tackled by the punter and you just can't,
you can never get tackled by the punter.
I was thinking about Cuba's fantasy points where if he could
get inside the 10 then just give us a cheap little rush.
Yes, that's what old Foreman and Chuba like.
That's the thesis of the fantasy point play, right?
Is a touchdown chews up so much of it?
Yeah, that would have been beautiful.
What's this flag? Yeah, what is the flag?
Rupesh just says he's going to call Rudman and get that tackle
sorted. Thanks, Rupesh.
Yeah, I mean, if it's either Rudman or I was about to write a
letter to a congressman. I don't know, would be better.
OK, so. This is counting.
All right. Wow.
Flying. All right.
So not necessarily the game. Script we want We'd rather the
bears, I think Get a quick TD. But.
Yeah, I mean, something happened.
We got that. Yeah, that's the that's good for
just being here. It was exciting.
Some people are asking about Bryce Young and why it's been so
bad. I think.
I think it's a lot of its pocket presence.
I think it's pocket presence is like real bad.
I like just watching him. He like, he drops back.
He like, drops back, like he's like just like playing like flag
football or something. You know what I mean?
He's just like kind of he's like, oh fuck.
When he it's like he doesn't even conceive of the idea that
he's allowed to have rushers come at him and then there they
are. He rates pretty poorly and a lot
of the same stuff that Sam Howell does with like you know
taking a lot of sacks and making mistakes on 1st reads.
You know, not kind of moving off the primary design of the play.
He he allows pressure to decent rate.
He's got a decent pressure to sack rate.
None of it's as bad as Howell but I also think like Howell's
doing an ability like he'll he'll make some fun place too.
Like he's going to hang in there and try and try and try and then
it takes a lot of sacks but he will also do some fun stuff and
I feel like the Bryce Young experience is like a little bit
less of the Howell bad stuff but the fun stuff is just like 10
yard growth. Adam Field part of that though,
we've been saying it since like like March, they did a horrible
job of building this receiving court.
Like Adam feeling like, I mean I started to come around on Adam
feeling a little bit and silly savings the last couple weeks
because the reality is like Pat, remember we were talking about
it a few weeks back where like I had called it a non functional
part of the offense and then I came back around on that and I
was like it actually is kind of functional because he has
nowhere else to throw. Feeling is outlet.
He's like his tight end and they they actually probably want the
rookie to have that. The problem is like he just has
to go to that because DJ Shark Terrace Marshall you know
Jonathan Mingo none of these guys win down the field ever.
Like they're just not open and they none of them really profile
like they would have been open like it wasn't a good receiving
court to begin with. And so he stayed.
I mean part of the stuff where he's having a hard time sort of
reading might be hard but I also think you know to your point and
I think you described it really well but that's like a hard
thing and and we're a little bit spoiled with CJ Stroud because
CJ Stroud is the best rookie at that.
Like I can remember he's better than even like Justin Herbert
was a good rookie quarterback. Stroud has been better in terms
of how quickly he can identify and and process things like dude
his ability to come back after Mayfield scored the go ahead
touchdown and just dice up a a prevent defense was like prime
Mahone shit like just carved it up in 6th place for ATD to win
that game. I mean it was so so good.
So high level, like we're seeing that with Stroud.
That doesn't mean necessarily the Young's, like bad like we
are In an era where a lot of the best quarterbacks in the NFL are
struggling with some of the complex defensive stuff that
they're seeing and the way they're rolling coverages and
all of this stuff. It's not that surprising that a
rookie quarterback might have a hard time with the ways that the
NFL defenses are attacking him. Yeah, for sure.
And I also, in the walk through this week, I know that Jordan
Love is like kind of the opposite of this thing where he
kind of like Mahomes. Mahomes is doing.
Mahomes is coming off his first read a lot.
He's not making a lot of first read throws.
He's not making mistakes, you know, without coming off the
first read. But Jordan Love is, it is more
like Mahomes. He's like not like Powell at
all. He's like Mahomes.
He's coming off the first read, but he's like super inaccurate
and terrible at improvising. You know, like, you know, you'd
also need. It's like some of this is just
understanding a little bit like more stylistically who these
guys are, which I think is helpful.
But it's not that like one is good and one is bad, right?
Like some guys hang in the pocket more and and try to let
the play play out and there's good things that are about that
and there's bad things about that.
Some guys are like Mahomes where they're like, Get Me Out of
pocket, let me make plays. That's good if you can make
plays. But if you're Jordan Love, it
fucking sucks. Like, just stand in the pocket
and try to make the play that was designed.
Yeah, we got some more DJM yards here.
These orange jerseys are sick. I I mean, I like these orange
jerseys for for the Bears. Foreman continues to get fed.
Yeah, that's good to see. I'm I'm tilting that we we don't
have at least 2 Luvu tackles. I'm still.
Showing us one? That's bullshit.
He 100% made the other tackle. Like, did anyone go back and
watch that? No one has watched more IDP
tackles than me. I see these guys for a mile
away. You are famously can't tell
numbers apart. This is like the worst film for
you to die on. Check down to four.
Oh yeah, Get it. There we go.
Luvu. Luvu.
You know what?
You know what we need right now? We need kitchen to come in and
identify if this was Luvu's body because the numbers are lying to
us. Kitchen.
They gave Luvu the tackle for push for him running out of
bounds. I'm seeing that on you.
I'll take that, Luvu. I'll take that.
Did you see Kitchen? Kitchen ran it back on the sole
cast. This week, he gave us another
heart. Oh, that's amazing.
Let's go, Foreman. Let him cook Foreman, baby.
Foreman is fucking damn, dude. I think he ran past Luvu on that
one though. Yeah, Luvu's got to make that
stop Kind of disappointing. He needs to hang on for the next
5 yards. Oh my God.
But this is perfect. They're going to keep giving it
to Foreman. That's what's working.
Oh no. Luvu was way on the other side
of the field. He would have made that tackle.
Luvu would have, definitely he he was in the wrong gap.
They're running away from him. They're so scared of.
Him. High Foreman shoe.
Get him back out there. 31 rush yards, 12 receiving.
That's what, 43? A half point for a catch.
What is he 4.8 already? Five points.
On the dot? Yep, nice.
Looking good. Foreman is like an indictment of
the NF LS ball knowing ability. This guy's look fucking awesome
every single year, every time. And then they're like, Nah, not
interested. And then he gets on the field
again. He looks, I'm like, maybe he
lost a step, you know, he must not look good in practice.
And then he, he did look shitty in the preseason, like he looked
bad in the preseason and they were talking about cutting for
the season. Dude, he's smart.
Yeah. And he's looks, he looks
awesome. He's looked great the whole
season when they needed him. Yeah, DJ More.
Come on. Oh.
Man. That was good coverage.
It was wasn't a great pro though.
He's already in 29 on those two little screens like he's he's
well on his way to the 55. I mean what what what is your
guys take on on Beijing? I mean, he's definitely above
the Zach Wilson line, right? Yeah.
Oh, yeah, Yeah. He's another great example.
He's another great example for why The Jets should be trying
something. I mean, a lot of the responses I
was getting when I was criticizing Zach Wilson other
night was like, well, you you can't find the next Josh Dobbs
like he's already. And it's like, the point is the
uncertainty is opportunity. The the certainty in this case
is disaster. We know that Zach Wilson's
terrible, right? Like he should be trying things
just like try and you might run into a Beijing.
My my take on Beijing is is like you just said.
Like, he's definitely above the Zach Wilson line.
He's a little bit mobile. He's willing to take shots.
He's, you know, he reminds you of some of the other like random
quarterbacks that have been successful.
The one that I was, man, I can't think of his name now.
But the one that played for the for the Dolphins for a little
bit, Tyler Thigpen and the Chiefs for a little bit do.
You guys remember Tyler Thigpen? He was.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Little bit of mobility.
Frank Fantasy Duke used to talk about the whole Yolo QB strategy
and he the first guy that he really loved to talk about was
Jeff Driscoll and we saw him play a little bit with the Lions
and a couple other teams. He's kind of that way, a little
bit of mobility a little bit, you know, a willingness to take
some shots downfield high a dot. When he was throwing Beijing's
first start, they didn't have him throw down field at all.
But he's been doing a little bit more of it.
And I think, I mean, I I've been impressed like he's been good
enough. You know, he should have had
better numbers last week. Like I said, Villus Jones just
fell down on one that was like an obvious like.
That was so bad. Yeah, in.
His lap, Yeah. I mean, like in the EPA for play
stuff, he's pretty similar to Desmond Ritter, which is kind of
a, you know, if you like, just fell into Ritter when you like
when Fields was hurt and you happened to find Ritter, you'd
be like, oh, this isn't bad at all.
Taylor. What is he a little Taylor
Heineke? Yes, there.
You go gonna say Taylor Heineke because I was saying the other
thing I think of for these backup quarterbacks, and I
remember when Heineke came in and LED the commanders to that
playoff win. Remember when they had that
game? I think was it over the box?
They did and. It was like he came, they lost,
but he played really well. Yeah, they were big underdogs
and he cut it to like five points late and and that's the
year the Bucks won the Super Bowl.
But they almost lost in the first round to Taylor Heineke in
the in Washington. And he he didn't play scared,
right? These guys come in like Tyson
Bajant doesn't look like a deer in the headlights out there,
which is ironic because Taylor Heineke's Halloween costume was
literally a dare in the headlights looking at his
girlfriend. Headlight boobs.
That's hilarious. These guys, that's great alpha
right there. It's scary, yeah.
What a couples outfit. Yeah, it was.
It was a good. It was a good one.
I mean the the move then, right? You get, you got to find another
girl at the party who also is dressed as headlights.
And then your original girlfriend comes back and now he
really is doing headlights. It's just part of the thing, OK?
The, the, the photo of his. Halloween costume went went
viral. Let me see if I can pull it up
here. Someone in the chat says that
someone in the chat says Simeon has to be an upgrade on Zach
Wilson. I mean, I think you have to have
found that out by now, right? Like I, I, and I do think Simeon
would be able to process and throw to Garrett Wilson when
he's in one-on-one. No.
Who's definitely an an upgrade? Carson Wentz.
He stinks.
But like 100% an upgrade on Zach Wilson is at a level of
consistently bad. That's like, I'm not sure he
should be a backup. Like, you can't be worse.
No. Yeah, that's what I implied this
week, 'cause I was talking about how some of these flame outs go
to the spring leagues. Oh, that's great.
Some of these I was talking about like some of the guys that
they could actually go try to get now, 'cause I I, I got some
criticism that I wasn't offering solutions.
I've been offering solutions prior to the trade deadline.
Obviously now you can't trade for anyone.
But I started, I started naming some names from people's
practice squads and a couple of the like.
Now you're getting down to an even lower level of player, but
a couple of the ones that I think are interesting are guys
that have played in some of the other leagues.
The guy from the CFL that made the great play in the preseason,
Nathan Rourke for the Jaguars, is on the practice squad.
I think they should give him a shot.
And then the guy who's won the last two, two time USFL
champion. He won the MVP last year.
Alex Magoo. Mick Goo or whatever.
Mick Goo. I don't know what his name is.
He's on the Packers practice squad.
But the point I was making is some of these guys that are
successful in the spring leagues end up being OK in the NFL.
Or at least competent. That's where PJ Walker came
from. John Wolford's a guy that played
a little bit for the Rams and they Rams were trying to get him
back when Stafford got hurt and the Bucks elevated him from the
practice squad to their active roster so that no one could grab
him. Apparently the Vikings were
interested as well, but he's like a, you know, a bona fide
backup in the NFL now. But that the point I was trying
to get to, and I'm having a long winded way of getting to it, was
there are a lot of guys who were like former top players in the
NFL that have played in the spring leagues have been
terrible. Like Paxton Lynch is really bad.
Christian Hackenberg, former second round pick for The Jets,
really bad in the spring leagues.
Like, I think you're right, Pat. Like, I think Zach Wilson, if he
ever does go play in the spring leagues when he's washed out of
the NFL, is going to be bad at that level, too, 'cause he's
that bad at quarterback, he's he can't play.
He's not good. What I did you?
Guys laugh when you saw that the Rams signed Carson Wentz, 'cause
it's like, how did The Jets not make that call?
I don't know, man. Like it's.
So frustrating. Just give that a shot.
Why isn't he in the building like you should have?
You should have like 4 to 5 quarterbacks on the roster.
You should have, like, lying out the door.
Why not? Like, you're like, what's what's
better? Like, you know, Michael, do you
really need Michael Carter? Like Dalvin Cook can do
everything. Michael Cook do you really need
to Dalvin Cook? Pick one of those guys.
They need him on that one. You got pick one of those guys
and send the other one home. Yeah.
I mean from a from like a team building perspective, if you're
if you're. Oh, that was a great ball.
Wow. Who was this?
Yeah, I mean who's winning downfield?
Well, that was their third title.
Oh, that's that Mike Strakin guy.
That was the, the size speed. That's awesome.
A couple years ago, I didn't even know he was on their team.
He's a really good athlete, dude.
He has some crazy story where he's like playing.
He's from overseas or I forget it now.
Yeah, yeah. No, I think he's like he played
in Germany or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
What? What He's.
Taking the plays. But never forget, guys, Terrace
Marshall has had nine straight. Incredible, August.
You know, so. Oh, man, that is.
Look at that. So he's born in the Bahamas.
Feeling. Yes, another one.
Yard loss catch. Thank you so much for getting us
on receptions. This would be such a brutal
sweat, such a brutal and happy PR dude.
Oh man, his catches don't add up to anything.
Ian's going to put together, you know, you've seen Ian's like
montages on Twitter of guys accumulating PPR points.
Yeah, oh, Oh yeah. He's going to do just two guys
getting one point too. Feeling clearing this prop and
having like 4 1/2 underdog points would be very fun I
normally like. Cuba.
Cuba there we go. I normally this.
Game has some pace now. Yeah, let's go the the whole I
was gonna take the under and then I was like, go ahead, Zach.
No, I should say the whole PPR hating, like generally annoys
me. But I I almost always love those
even tweets. So I was like, yeah, yeah, that
is dumb. Oh yeah, I I they are funny
tweets. I I get tilted by the the stuff
too because it's like, I mean the T, whoever scores the TD,
I've done this bit before but whoever scores the TD isn't
always perfect. Whoever, you know?
No, I know like none of this. It's just making up arbitrary
stuff. Yeah, I think PPR is the best
version of scoring and I love that because I when I see that
tweet, I'm like, that shouldn't be the same.
I agree. What you should really do as a
as a Dalton Kincaid montage of FFPC Titan Premium scoring,
where he's getting 1 1/2 points for every two yard catch by the
light of scrimmage and Liam just rock hard in his Whitey tighties
for everyone is the Bills Lose another game.
I just spliced the data on Fantasy Life's tool and I
figured out he's better than Travis Kelsey.
Does he just make Spider Man memes of Kelsey and Kincaid?
Oh, I man. That was a that was the the best
play by Panthers wide receiver this year.
I'm like, super. I'd infer that was awesome.
Yeah, Yeah, a little word. It was Tommy Tremble, to be
honest. Yeah, he was a former track guy.
Ran the two hundred 404 by 400, holds a school record for the
400 meter dash. He was drafted in the seventh
round by the Colts in 2021. Now he's with the Panthers
outperforming all of the wide receivers, they thought.
Were good enough to be there, guys.
Dude, think about how good Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase and Justin
Jefferson were in college that they got Clyde Edwardsy Lair and
Terrace Marshall drafted with like Top 40 picks.
It's impressive. They're so good.
Yeah, think about like even the amount of money, you know, based
on the rookie year contracts and stuff that probably got them
relative to where they otherwise would have gone.
I mean, those guys just single handedly made them millions of
dollars, millions like 5. Like literally millions, 'cause
he would have been probably like a third round pick.
I mean, he might be a third round pick If Patrick Holmes
didn't say get me that guy from LSU.
I think Sean famously would say that, you know, Benjamin was
basically the same guy as CEH, which turned out to be true.
It's just that they unfair to Eno.
Yeah, probably unfair to Eno. Do you think Mahomes would like
privately again, Not with zero chance but just very close
confidants like Take the L On pounding the table for for waddy
Clyde Edwards. Hilaire.
I mean, you have to. I think he already has taken the
off. I think he's quietly at home
kind of. Maybe he hasn't said it but he's
he looked over and he was like and they're like you know what
Patrick? It's fine.
If you want to take another first round pick just tell us.
We'll let you have that one too. Whatever you want.
Buddy, Kevin, you're not going to hold it.
So around the draft every year, he's just like, look, I mean,
it's my homes. Like if the cost of like,
keeping my homes happy is burning a second round pick
every year, you do it, you do it, no questions.
Literally whatever you want, buddy.
You want to own the team? Go for it.
So we get a Tommy Trumbull catch, but it's an Adam Thielen
S catch that goes for 1/2 a yard.
Nice. You love it.
Not even nice. That's good.
I went for 0 yards. That's right, 'cause we have
that, that under. He was third on, he was third of
their tight ends in in routes last week.
His routes have really mostly been not very involved this
year. I was surprised that he was even
in the underdog player pool based on, I mean he's he's had a
couple catches the last couple weeks but last week 23% of the
drop backs he ran a route on 30% the week prior.
First five games he was under 30% every game.
He did have a 37% as a season high in week six before their
buy but like Stephen Sullivan came back in week 6 and in weeks
eight and nine since the buy has been just as involved as Tremble
behind Hayden Hurst. So it's this like combination
tight end grouping that easy to play the underarm.
Robert Mays, welcome to the ship cast.
How are you doing? I'm doing awful.
How are you guys doing? We're.
Doing good. We're sweating.
Things like Tommy tremble lower than 9 1/2 receiving yards, so
we're excited when he gets a catch for 0 yards.
That's where we're at tonight. You guys have to manufacture
your own misery. Mine comes naturally, and I.
Think that that's you guys are in an enviable position because
of that. Exactly.
Well, we were kind of saying that, you know, like Beijing.
Is is at least like you don't have Zach Wilson.
You know, that's that's something he runs around, He
like, cries a little bit. You know, it's not the worst he
could be. It's such a strange experience
this season because most games I'm not tied to the results at
all. All I care about is like, oh,
how does Girvan Dexter look? You know, what sort of flash are
we getting from Darnell Ray? The the wins and losses aren't
important to me tonight. The win and loss is actually
important to me for the first time all year.
So it's a very strange emotion that I'm feeling and I'm not
sure exactly what. To do and and who are who?
I was trying to think through this earlier.
Is it that you, the Bears want to win, 'cause they want to,
they want the Panther. They have to pick, right?
Yeah. Some people have been saying
that'd be better if the Bears lost because then they would
potentially have two better picks.
I I don't subscribe to that. I I don't want the 3rd pick and
the 4th pick in this year's draft.
I I want one of the top 2 picks in this year's draft.
But pretty desperately, it's all I've thought about for the last.
Few months but they can't control their own outcomes for
the next several months. So maybe there is something to
be said about like if they want to tank they it's easier.
Like this is the only game where they can control the Panthers
outcome, so it feels so much less gross to root for another
team to lose than your team. To lose so, so if the Panthers
just keep on losing, it's much cleaner for me that.
Makes. Sense.
Do you do you think they want to just extend this Justin Fields
absence as long as possible for tanking purposes?
I don't think they want to tank because I do think that this
staff is probably playing for their jobs at some point down
the road, because I think that becomes the biggest question.
Let's say there is a timeline where the Panthers get the
number one pick where they have one of the top 2 picks and
they're arranged to draft one of the quarterbacks.
It's a question. Then you have to ask if you were
team president Kevin Warren ownership the GM.
If he keeps his job, is this staff the one to oversee the
Drake May era if that were to start?
Isn't that just like a like a unquestioned no?
Yeah. What's your answer to that?
You'd think so. You'd think so, but after
everything that Holes said last week when they did this flat
trade and he was talking about iber Flues, listen, this
organization has not been known for thinking logically and
rationally about when you stop certain errors and for what
reason. I mean, this is we're getting
way down the rabbit hole now, but one of the things that has
plagued them for the last, I don't know, pick a #20 years is
that the organization, whether it's the front office, the
coaching staff and the quarterback are never aligned.
So the front office hires a coach, that coach gets fired,
they draft a quarterback, then that coach gets fired.
Then the GM gets fired, Then the coach gets hired, then the
quarterback gets drafted. Think about They've done it
every single time. Jon Fox was there when they
drafted Trubisky, they fired him after one year.
Mandagi was there when they drafted Justin Fields.
They fired him after one year. So that's what's terrifying to
me is they keep E refuse for next year after drafting a
quarterback and then they fire him again.
That seems like they're really cycle of life and that's not
good for the quarterback cycle of my life.
It's terrible for the quarterback.
Like it's it's like you're trying to sabotage a
quarterback. It really is not the way to
succeed. It's always and they've done it
so many different times. And what you have is you have a
staff, whether it's at the front office level or the coaching
level, that is either not invested in the quarterback or
not tied to his success. And it leads to a lot of
problems and it has consistently led to a lot of problems.
So I would like to avoid that again if they end up drafting
another quarterback, so is the Bears like fan vision board?
Is it one and two overall? Caleb Williams, Marvin Harrison
and just we usher in a new incredible.
Look at his face. Yeah, hands up here, Robert.
I'm not, I'm not going to pick one of the quarterbacks yet
because I have people that I respect that are Dan Bruegler at
The Athletic, who is very, very good at what he does now, has
Drake May as the number one player on his ball.
So I think that there are timelines and I think that there
are people in the league who actually might prefer Drake May.
So I don't. We're going to have that
conversation in March or April when we get there.
As much as I would love with the quarterback, Marvin Harrison
Combo, you cannot justify not trading that pick with two
quarterbacks in the draft, like you can't justify it.
It'd be very fun. But if they pick a quarterback
at #1, I assume they will trade whatever the second top five
tops like pick they have is. That makes sense.
Maybe not. Maybe if they're picking at 5:00
and they want one of the players, that's fine.
But if it's one two, I think you have to trade one of.
Them you got to accumulate assets.
Yeah, they have too many needs. What kind of compensation can
they get for Fields, do you think that's a great question?
I don't. I don't really know how the
league views him. And I remember this spring
talking to people, various teams, just kind of checking in
the combine, that kind of stuff. And it didn't feel like there
was much enthusiasm for him. And that's not surprising after
the way that last year went with him as a passer.
Hopefully he'll show enough down the stretch here that if that is
what ends up happening, where they'd have to trade him away or
they decide to go in a different direction, they can fetch
something for him. I assume someone will be willing
to take a chance out of him. Trey Lance got a fourth round
pick from Dallas. He didn't play.
So the the flashes you've seen from Justin Fields, I have to
assume there's a staff somewhere that says we'll we'll take a
dice roll. I don't think it'll be a high
pick, but it'll be something. Yeah.
I I got to just say this for the people that are watching.
I switching gears a little bit. I didn't.
I I don't have the sound on, obviously, but but it looks like
Jason Kelsey's in the booth right now.
Just got named like one of the sexiest men in in the world or
something like that. This guy's riding the the the
Taylor Swift Travis Kelsey thing.
Now he's a he's he's getting people's sexiest man in the
world or whatever. So one in the chat said that the
Kelsey's are just now the Kardashians and they just show
up everywhere, which does feel right.
It's like what Donna Kelsey's going to be on the sideline, I.
Mean. Are there any more Kelsey's?
This is like a younger Kelsey brother that's going to be part
of our lives. That's a good question.
I think there's only those two. I mean, they're they're getting
up there now. I mean, they're in their mid
30s. I'm not sure when that would be
coming around. I told a story.
I don't know if I've ever told the story publicly.
I I knew Travis Kelsey from the time he was pretty young in the
league. I wrote a story about him in
like 2014, you know, when he was just a cool player and you could
do profiles of people like that Now, 10 dynasty benches.
Yeah. And now 10 years later, he's a
Hall of Famer. He's one of the best players
ever in his position. But even last, it was two years
ago when the draft was in Vegas and I was at Coachella the
weekend before the draft, and I saw him there.
And then at Vegas in the airport security line, he was there and
I went up and I was talking to him.
You know, we've known each other for a long time.
And I was talking to my wife like a couple weeks ago.
I was like, that'll never happen again like that, like that.
Never in the for the rest of his life most likely will be he be
in that situation where he's just going through the normal
airport security line like a typical human being, Which is
just crazy to think about that that was only a year and a half
ago. He is now under paparazzi 24/7
surveillance with the biggest pop star of the world and he
used to just hang out with you at airports.
Robertson, He was your Coachella buddy not too long ago.
Well, we're standing in the same spot.
We will never be standing at the same spot at a music event ever
again for the rest of our lives. Yeah, that's.
Yeah, that's a. Good bet scrolling I hadn't been
on TikTok in a while the other night.
I started scrolling and I landed on like Swifty TikTok and
there's a girl and she's doing like the green screen effect
with a photo of Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey and she just goes.
I can't. I can't do anything else.
Today at this photo is going to dominate every single thought I
have. It's just like them, like
exiting a restaurant. I'm like trying to inspect them
like is what's going on here. But it's just like.
I mean, it's all consuming for Swifty Nation, I'll tell.
You that what was what did. You never got a sense of why it
had struck a chord. It was like maybe it had this,
like Genesee Quav. Like I don't know.
They they definitely felt like 2 superstars.
You know they're kind of like have their head down not wanting
to be seen. And she I don't.
I can't explain it dude you just you know it when you see it I
guess. I wish I cared about anything as
much as. They I know I don't.
I don't want to care about something that much.
I feel like I would be more successful, like channeling
whatever that energy is into something in my life.
I feel like it would just take me to different heights.
Oh man, Robert, what's your take on the the the the Bears
Backfield? We we have Deontay Foreman
higher than 9 fantasy points tonight, so we've been enjoying
all of his early runs here. It's so interesting that the way
the hierarchy shook out early in the season because every time
he's touched a football over the last two years, I'm like, that
guy's pretty good. So the fact that he was a
healthy scratch early in the year, I mean, and the stats
belies some pretty good play from Khalil Herbert and
obviously they want to get Roshan Johnson from touches,
he's good and pass protection, all that stuff.
But the fact that this guy was on the bench and every time he
touches the ball, it it's clear how much juice he has, it just
tells you a lot about maybe some questions about their decision
making early in the season and how they were shaking out those
touches. I want to ask you about the
other side. We were just talking about the
rookie Q, BS coming into the league, new coaching Staffs and
everything. What's your take on Bryce Young
right now? I mean, I'm, I'm sure your take
on CJ Stratus is the same as every everyone who watches
football, which is that what he's doing is just absurd.
And I think that's in some ways. Setting too high of a bar for
Bryce Young, who's we were just talking about during the first
quarter, operating with a pretty poor receiving core, not a lot
of help there. Not a lot of guys that are
winning for him. What do you what, what have you
seen from him in the first half of his rookie?
What What do you think is rest of this season and I guess
career? It's obviously very early, but
what what? What are your thoughts on him?
There's a reason that people advocate for taking the biggest
swing possible when you're drafting a quarterback at the
top of the draft, because the entire point of and what you
should be chasing in those moments is a guy who can
transcend some of the circumstances around him.
And that's the problem with Bryce Young right now, is that
so much is going wrong, but pass protection, how static the
offense feels, lack of receiving options, but he can't transcend
any of that. So if you're going to trade what
they traded for that guy, he needs to be somebody that can
step above and beyond what you're putting around him.
And right now, Bryce Young is the opposite of that.
He's crumbling in those circumstances, and I think
that's the biggest concern. And so if you're looking at what
she shot was doing right now, if you're looking at what Anthony
Richardson was doing early on, I mean, these are guys where it
just jumps off the screen and when you're drafting somebody in
the top five, those are the types of things you have to seek
out. And so some of the things that
made Bryce Young special at the college level, where it's, I
know it's instincts and pocket movement and all of that, he
clearly just can't do those things at the same level because
the speed of the game and the size of the game is just so much
different. So I struggle to figure out ways
where he's going to have plus traits.
And when you trade away what they did for somebody at number
one overall, that's a pretty concerning place to be halfway
into his rookie year. And it it stinks for them that
CJ Stroud is lighting things on fire because now that's the
national talking point of man regrets over there.
Like if CJ Stroud was just middling, you'd have so much
cover right now. But you have no cover.
There is nowhere to hide there. There isn't.
And and he's looked incredible. I mean, and that's the most
frustrating part about it. And that offense just looks so
much better. I mean everything that Bobby
Sloak is doing and all the buttons, they're pressing.
It's just so much more dynamic and interesting than what's
going on in Carolina. I mean you.
There's so many things. That we could ask you about that
would relate back to to fantasy. I'm really interested in
Houston's offense. I've been trying to place like
how how valuable? Like, is this a top five passing
game? These receivers for for fantasy
purposes have been fantastic. Nico Collins, Tank Dell.
I mean, like, I don't know how high to be valuing all of them,
but CJ Stroud to me is. And the way that they're running
that offense, there was a period where they were getting a little
too run heavy. For my liking the pass rate over
expected stuff lower. They got back to the positive,
like plus 5% this past week. And I think the first time all
year they were positive. Yeah, 'cause they were like more
really nice to see. But and and you see that that's
the way that they're going to win and you have to assume
that's what they're going to do the rest of the way.
I think this team can like, win fantasy leagues, like I think
this passing game is going to put up big numbers.
He's going to win Rookie of the Year.
Like, how good is this from a statistical standpoint?
What would you say it's a top five like you know?
I know you do a lot more actual ball knowing than than our our
fantasy stuff, but it seems like that great of a passing game
right now, especially in this climate where there's so many
teams that are struggling and so many offenses that are
struggling to find footing. It absolutely feels like that.
And what I just love is you look at all of the underlying
elements of what the offense is and you just see the Shanahan in
it, them using heavy personnel to make defenses simple.
I haven't looked at the numbers in a couple weeks, but you know,
they still use a lot of 21 personnel with Andrew Beck.
They're getting big bodies on the field and it simplifies
coverage for them. So the Niners last year, like,
one of the beautiful things about the Niners is even when
they weren't running the ball back consistently over the last
couple years, the threat of the run and the personnel that they
use makes defenses really simple.
They saw the most Cover 3 on early downs of any team in
football last year, I think outside of the Falcons.
And the Falcons weren't an NFL offense in 2022.
And if you look at the numbers for the Texans this year, it's
very similar. And it's that's probably why
they'll continue to lean on the run more than they should.
Because as you're thinking about what the recipe has to be to get
to those places you want the defense to be, you have to do it
often enough to give it credence.
But I do think that they're slowly discovering what they
have to be to be effective. Yeah, which is Strap, Yeah,
that's, yeah. So the Niners is another one I
want to ask. Wet Sack is just so classic.
The the Niners is another one I want to ask you.
I just want to, I just want to interview you for about all this
stuff that I've been writing about that I I think I know what
is kind of going on, but I'm not actually sure.
And you would know, do you think some of their struggles last
couple weeks because Debo's out and the lack of versatility and
some of that stuff. I mean how how like Depot being
banged up or is it more Purdy? I think Purdy's been similar to
what he's been for the most part.
I think that the, if you look at like turnover worthy plays
everything else. I mean that game he played
against the Vikings where everyone was freaking out, it's
the same game he played against the Giants, just in reverse.
And so I think that's the biggest issue is that the balls
that are interceptable are being caught.
They they've gotten caught with coverages a couple more times.
I do think the Trent Williams thing is real.
So if the way that Trey Hendrickson affected that game
when they played Cincinnati, I think that is a problem.
But for the most part, I'm not concerned about it.
I think when he gets back, and I think when Debo gets back,
you're going to see a similar type of offense, similar type of
explosiveness. Like they haven't changed that
much. To me, my concerns about San
Francisco are rooted way more in the defense than they are in the
offense. You guys see where it's not?
Been that great. What's your concern about San
Francis D? Their run defense has been
actively bad so far this season. Like they're they're the bottom
of the league and and run defense, success rate, all that
kind of stuff. And we were talking about the
show a little bit today and one of the beautiful things about
the late stage, D'amico Ryan's defenses.
It's one play in particular we always talk about.
I think it's a really good example.
They played Seattle on a Thursday night in the middle of
last season. Seattle comes out and empty its
third down, and they have the running back at the number one
spot. Fred Warner's lined up over the
running back, so everything about what's happening there
tells you it's man, right. So we got man coverage.
This is how we're going to we have something dialed up and
they drop back into cover two behind it.
And when you're in the four O 5 level of the defense that Tamiko
Ryan's has been running forever, that's the type of stuff you can
do. And I think some of the
disguises, some of the plan, it's become a little less
complicated, a little bit easier to decipher.
And so you combine that with some of the run defense
struggles and I think you're seeing some of the issues that
they've had over the last few weeks.
When you say running backs, so you said empty running backs in
one. He's way out wide and they have
a linebacker way out wide with him basically playing outside
corner. And so that's what's to tell.
It's man. But they drop into a zone.
Yeah, that's so they the Niners have.
The Niners did that a couple times last year, and then the
Cowboys had done that because that was, it's honestly like a
really good microcosm of why offenses are struggling right
now, because that's one thing you could do to pretty easily
dictate or pretty easily decipher information.
If you're the offense we're going to line up this way,
they're going to show us this. We know exactly what they're in,
and that's just no longer the case.
So, so many things that used to be easy buttons, pathways to
easy offense just aren't there anymore because defenses have
figured out what their answer is.
And that's I think it's just one small example.
OK, I have another really broad, sorry.
I just want to piggyback on that road and just frame it a little
bit for this week. Do you think it's wild that
they're 3 point Rd. favorites over the Jags this week?
No, because the Jags, while I think a good team, the Jags are
still incredibly frustrating. I mean the Jags offense
specifically is a really hard watch for me sometimes because
they have this running game where it's really boom or bust
and they hunt out to these explosives.
But they've so many plays to go for negative yardage and Travis
Etienne is madding and that still the turnovers.
Like the like Pittsburgh game, all you need to look at is like
a four play stretch. Trevor throws a beautiful ball
to Christian Kirk while he's getting sawed off in the
backfield. That drive ends with Evan Ingram
fumbling a shovel pass later in the game.
Whoever throws this beautiful ball to Calvin Ridley on a
crosser, he like, keeps it away from the safety.
I'm like, oh God, that's that guy at his best.
And then like 3 plays later, he throws a red zone interception.
So while the Jags are very fun, sometimes very, and I think
their defense is playing in a really, really high level, I
don't think there's some bankable asset right now.
So no, that's not that surprising to me.
I also like. I feel like the Purdy stuff has
been. Pretty overrated in terms of how
like bad he is all of a sudden like they've they've lost some
games he he had one really bad game but he's still first in EPA
per play. He's first in success rate like
he's like and and some of the stuff is getting baked in like
the mistakes are now like he's getting the defense is making
him pay for some of the turnover worthy throws and stuff And he's
he's playing more in line like his staff are more in line with
his actual play and he's still 1st and the Jags don't have a
good pass rush, which I think is.
Critical for Purdy, right? You got to keep him clean and he
should be like decently clean. Are you worried about him this
week, being able to be a little bit worried about the Trent
Williams Josh? Allens because Josh Allens Josh
Allens played really well this year.
I I totally agree with you though.
I mean, this may be like a contrarian hipster nonsense
take, but the last couple games that Purdy played, he did stuff
against the Bengals where I was more impressed with him in that
game. And I've been in plenty of the
supposedly great games he's played over the last couple
years. Like I think he's actually done
some decent stuff over the last couple games out of structure on
the move as a scrambler. So I my opinion of him has not
changed at all over the last two weeks against Jacksonville
specifically. We previewed that game on our
show today. It's an interesting match up
because again, what the Niners really like to do is over the
last couple years, when they get teams in base defense, when they
have their 21 personnel line up with use check on the field.
They just carve you up. They team stack the box and they
just throw it all over the yard. The Jags play more base defense
to 21 personnel than any team in the league.
That's what they do. They throw big bodies against
big bodies. The problem is they're
incredible at defending the pass out of it.
Like they've been so, so good at that this year.
So some of the ways that the Niners typically like to attack
teams, the Jags just aren't going to let them do that.
And so I think it's a really cool kind of cat and mouse game
on that side of the ball. And when they are in those big
bodies, they disguise coverage right now as well as anybody.
And they're throwing a lot of junk ball crap at people in the
most fun way possible. Like Mike Caldwell is very much
a descendant of Todd Bowles. And I think that this is another
one of those games somewhere to Cincinnati.
Like that's what Luann and Romo does all the time where there's
a chant and bought Bryan Flores same deal, like he's got 3
coordinators in a row. Purdy has that are going to show
you one thing and then do something wildly different off
of it. And sometimes he struggles in
those moments. So I think I'm not worried about
him down to down, but I think this is another one of those
games where they could get him once or twice.
That whole thing with defence is showing one thing, doing
another. I I referenced Jordan Rodriguez
awesome series over at The Athletic this summer, the play
callers and a bunch of my work because this summer, because I
thought it was awesome. I I I remember Robert Solid was
talking about some of their goals, but Sean McVeigh was
talking about that specific point.
Where like he he used to want defenses essentially to to play
things perfectly because then he felt like he could attack them.
And it's just so different now. You don't know what there's this
is a broad trend and it may it may relate to this, it may not
relate to to this. But one of the things that I've
been seeing so far this year, obviously we're in the world of
the stats. We're just looking at Target
shares and stuff. It seems like Elite #1 wide
receivers are dominating passing games like we haven't seen in
1/2 decade like and a decade ago we had like Brandon Marshall
once had a 40% target share, right, Like we used to have. 200
target season. Julio Jones had one.
Calvin Johnson had one. We haven't had as much of that
the last few years. As the shotgun three wide
receiver looks started to become more prevalent, we had more
spread offenses. It's we're still seeing a lot of
spread and a lot of this stuff but we are seeing A.J.
Brown is blowing away Devonta Smith in a way that wasn't
really expected. Tyree Kill.
Jalen Waddle. Jamar Chase.
T Higgins. Stephon Diggs, CD Lamb and their
offenses these guys are seeing 16 target games like and we're
seeing like the the Cowboys come out of their bye and their pivot
is CD Lamb. They're all single down.
Yeah and is there something and and I I saw some interesting
data about it that maybe the the these number ones are particular
dominating when they get into single height looks.
Is there something that you're aware of that is leading to this
trend, 'cause I'm, it's something I'm trying to like.
It's a great question and and I think the broader kind of macro
trends defensively wouldn't necessarily lend to that.
I I honestly think that the the single high stuff for
Philadelphia I think is very much the case.
So if you look at AJ Brown's target share against man
coverage, it's hilarious. So he gets 50% of their targets
against that. So every single time the Eagles
face man coverage or every other time, I mean you've you've seen
the play. Just think about it manic,
totally. I mean, they're just running go
balls to the guy who's bigger and faster and better than the
players on the other side. We call him a grown ass man
around here. They're just like I'm I'm going
to throw the grown ass man over there and I think on the CD the
CD stuff is interesting because that is now they're putting CD
at the X. So where he used to play in the
slot and he's on the formation side where and you know if it's
if it's three by one, he's the slot receiver and the three
receiver side now he's isolated. So they're trying to create more
one-on-one match ups for him and just potentially simplify the
ways they're trying to get him the ball.
And against quarters that kind of makes sense.
That kind of turns into one-on-one on that side because
of how the coverage distributes. So there may be something to
that, but I I haven't thought about how the number one
receiver thing necessarily plays into some of the macro trends
we've seen defensively, but it's a good question.
It's a new, it's a new trend, so it is something we'll have to
learn more. Is there like is anyone tracking
this like you you show them one thing, you then you do another
type stuff, 'cause I just I would be, I would love to just
be able to dive into like who's doing, you know, like which
coaches are doing. Like this is clearly such an
important thing and it's it's an important trend that we're
seeing around the league. But you know some teams that are
are kind of slow to catch on, which could maybe be an edge to
target those teams. So I think there there are
people doing it just like what are you showing in terms like
the pre snap shell, But now the majority of teams are playing
with a too high shell on the majority of defensive snaps.
So if you're just very, like over the last 15 years, let's
say following the macro trends like around the week, the
Seattle cover Three took over the NFL, so they'd start doing
that early 2000 tens, that becomes the defensive meta.
So you have all these teams playing single high and just
playing some combination of Cover 3 and man for the most
part. So the Shanahan teams rise to
meet that in like that 2016, 2017 stretch.
And just think about the 2017 Rams and what they looked like.
It's under center play action, big crossing routes against
single high. So you're just crushing teams on
explosives on those big crossers over the middle of the field
against single high? And then getting light boxes, I
remember Todd Gurley ran at like a higher rate against they play
at 11 person, they play 11 personnel on every single snap.
So that was their version of it. But the Shanahan, even though
Shanahan plays in heavier personnel, similar sorts of
ideas. If you think about what those
teams were, it's play action, it's big crossing rounds against
single high as defenses shift to meet that.
It starts happening in 2018. The Lions are really one of the
first teams to do it against that Rams team in 2018.
They start playing a lot more quarters so you don't have the
answers to the test before the test starts.
When teams are starting in that quarter shell, it can be
anything. When you're starting in single
high, it can really be only Cover 3 or man, unless you're
doing some complicated disguise. So now you have all these teams
borrowing from this Fangio idea where we're going to play with a
too high structure at the beginning of every single snap,
but after the ball was snapped, it changes into whatever.
The Rams are a very good example.
When Staley got to Los Angeles, they're playing with that basic
idea. Even though they play with a
quarter shell before the snap starts, they played less
quarters than almost any team in the league.
They're playing Cover 3, but they're dropping down into it.
So the backside safety is now dropping into those deep
crossing routes that used to destroy teams.
So it's just creating like a little bit of hesitation at the
snap where the quarterback, she doesn't know what's coming.
So think about play action. You're turning your back to the
defence. So what you saw at the beginning
of the play was this umbrella coverage where it looked like
quarters. Then you turn around after the
play fake and it it looks entirely different.
So that Fangio sort of defence was perfectly designed to meet
what all of those play action heavy Shanahan teams were doing.
And then there's more stuff to it.
A lot of those, the solid teams now play quarters like
specifically it's not more Cover 3 like those Fangio teams are,
but that those are like the general broad strokes of I think
how it's all changed. But, and we haven't really seen
the offense be able to rise to meet that.
I mean, I feel like the defenses are getting even better now.
I mean, they've gotten. I mean there we saw that that
really manifest in 2022, but they're taking it to a new
level. Their red zone defense has
gotten better. Percent of drives that are
getting to the red zone has has actually gone down.
I mean the scary thing for us in fantasy football was like, what
if the defense has continued to get even better rather than the
offense is having a punch back and they the defense has seemed
to schematically just have a huge edge right now.
I think, I think they have gotten better.
I think they've gotten better at a couple different spots.
So the the easiest answer if teams are going to play those
light boxes is let's just run it at them.
The problem is defenses have gotten so good with how they
build their personnel where they know they need run stuffers now
front structures and just stunting and changing the front
as the snap is happening. So run defense has actually
gotten better, even even as boxes have gotten lighter.
So one of the answers that offenses would theoretically
have, that path no longer exists.
And then the red zone stuff I think is some of the most
impactful stuff. And this goes back to that
conversation about Easy Buttons with alignment in the red zone
five years ago, if you're running switch releases and pick
plays against a man coverage, you're scoring touchdowns.
Well, now every single defense knows that's what you're going
to try to do. So that's not nearly as
effective. And teams are so much more used
to the quarterback run game in that area of the field that
that's not as effective as it used to be.
Got to be more complex. Yeah, it's it's it's really,
really difficult. So I've been workshopping this
take that. Taysom Hill's going to decide.
I knew you were going to Taysom Hill.
I'm literally into the fence, competitive Taysom Hill right
now and I we Taysom Hill's been a punchline for so long, but the
way that they've been, the way that they've been using him in
the red zone the last few weeks, like you have to have
complicated answers in the red zone now.
And he does create a lot of problems.
In the red zone. I I mean, he's, he might be the
most important player in the NFC South right now.
It's not a very good division, let's be honest.
No, it's not he. He honestly might be.
It's him and Demario Davis. So like the the guys who will
decide the NFC South here over the next 8 weeks, it's not.
A very good. I don't want to get into Falcons
talk with you guys. I feel like that's a really.
It's a That's a bad issue to get to around.
Arthur's got us all riled up these days.
I do. I have one more team specific
question for you. This goes the other way from the
Elite #1 stuff. The Chiefs drive me nuts every
week they do this, like when I look at their route percentages
by, you know, percent of the drop backs.
Most teams, we have certain receivers that we can depend on.
The Chiefs are rotating. It's It's so we all want Rasheed
Rice in the fantasy. Community to get up to 80% plus
routes, but he's not and I I think this is because they're
doing a lot of formational like unique formational stuff.
They have different packages that they really like.
Can you talk a little bit about that?
Are they always going to be really rotational?
Are they ever going to concentrate their wide receiver
routes? So last year and talking to
people there before this season, one of the biggest questions
they had without Tyreek is which guys do we put on which reps?
So if we're building these plays, which guy does this the
best? Which guy does this the best?
It feels like they're still deep in that process this season, and
it's taking longer than normal because the receivers are even
younger than they typically are. So it just feels like we're
having an extended experimental phase for what their offense
looks like. I know that's probably not a
satisfactory answer, but that's my best guess.
As to why they haven't landed on anything, because they're
they're going to be around at the end, right?
Like their defense is so good. It's the best defense they've
had in Andy Reid's tenure there. The offense is still pretty good
if you look at the numbers, so I think that they're just trying
to figure out what is the best version of who we can be, and
they're just experimenting along the way to try to find it.
That's my guess. It's a good answer because it
doesn't rule out that they might concentrate later in the year.
And a lot of what we're trying to predict is what's going to
happen weeks 15 to 17, the fantasy playoffs.
And that's what I keep saying is like, it could still happen for
Rasheed Rice in a way that is. I mean, he's got to develop a
lot of stuff. He's so much further ahead than
rookie receivers that we typically see with Andy Reid.
And maybe that those data points are probably off now because we
were using Sky more as one of those data points.
Maybe, maybe, maybe we just shouldn't have done that.
But I still feel like at a certain point, you trust your
eyes, right? Like when you watch him play the
plays that he's making compared to everyone else, you could just
feel that he's a different sort of threat than everyone else
they have. So if that's what you're betting
on, weeks 15 through 17, I still think you're making that bet.
Robert, what's your what's your game watching like habits.
Like do you watch live on Sundays?
I assume you're going back and watching every game
individually. How do you?
Because everyone has their different rituals with that
stuff. So I have.
I watch live on Sunday. We do a live Sunday night recap
at the end of every week. So I have three TV's in my
basement. I do like the four box on one TV
and then typically another 4 box and another TV and then I'll
watch the Bears in the third. So I've typically got like you
know, 8-9 games going during the early slate, go through the
afternoon slate and then after we decide after the second set
of games what we're going to watch or what we're going to
talk about on the show, we typically spend 6:30 PM Central
till 10:30 PM Central. I will rewatch the five games
that we're going to talk about, just the 45 minute versions of
them, and then during the week we'll pick, you know, whatever
we're going to do on the Thursday preview show that we do
for the following week. So I'm going back and watching,
let's call it eight sides of the ball, you know, from separate
games over the course of the week.
So for the by the time the week ends from Sunday at noon until
the following Friday at 9:00 AM, I've probably watched 10 to 12
full games. Nice.
And that's how you know this much pull.
I mean that's that's like you got to watch the games.
I'm always, I'm always saying I'm exhausted for you just
listening to all that film grinding there.
I am not charismatic, talented or knowledgeable enough to not
do that. So in order to have viability in
the space, I I feel like that's what has to happen.
So it's not because I have a great work ethic or because I,
you know. That's ridiculous.
It's certainly not a virtue. It's just self preservation.
Well, you are humble, clearly. You also have a Thursday night
after breakdown after the game with Nate Tice.
You'll have it later tonight. Anyone who wants to get more of
this should definitely check that out.
That's always a blast, but there you go.
Casey's got it as well. Tune into the live recap later
tonight they'll they'll be giving us a lot more good stuff
like this. We're happy to do it.
We we love doing those shows. They're by the time we do those
it's after we've already done our weekly preview show so we
are very slap happy by 11:00 PM central when we're doing those
shows. But if you want to come hang out
and watch me be very sad, depending on how the ending of
this game goes, you're more than welcome to join.
What what, What kind of fantasy action you getting down?
What are, what is your what is your D Gen. level here with this
stuff. So I typically like to keep it
pretty contained just because I don't like rooting for and
against everyone. That's always been my strategy
and I know that if I start getting into the best ball
stuff, I have an addictive personality and I think that it
might be a slippery slope, so I've tried to avoid it.
Everyone on the show with you and watching the show
understands what you're implying.
We get it. We think you're wrong.
You should do it. I've.
I'm trying not to wait into it because I also that when best
ball drafts are happening, like I know they happen all summer,
but when they really ramp up, that's when I'm on the road.
I typically go the training camps all of August, so I'm busy
when that sort of stuff would be.
You're a slow draft guy Is that what you said?
Yes. So.
So I so typically I that's I don't don't get into that but I
have a high school league that we've had for it's been 14 years
now. It's like a keeper league with a
bunch of like insane rules. That is amazing and I love so
that's like my main league. I'm in a league with a bunch of
other Chicago like fantasy guys. It's like a Chicago media
fantasy league where I have not lost the game yet this year,
which is. Crazy, Our buddy Sam Hoppins in
that. I remember when you guys
drafted, there was a picture Sam Hoppin used to do some stuff
with with with chip chasing. I thought he was in that, Sam, a
lot of other, a lot of Chicago guys in the industry.
So I'm in the league with them and then I do a league with my
college buddies, so it's really just three.
Nice. There you go.
Yeah, when you talk about going down the the rabbit hole as like
an NFL Media member with best ball, you're you're sub tweeting
Bill Barnwell, right? He's a cautionary tale.
I I would never, I would never say that about Bill.
He's. I don't know.
I don't. Yeah, exactly.
Well, Robert, we very much appreciate you taking some of
your time to to hang out with us tonight.
Absolutely, guys. Anytime.
It was fun. Yeah, we do.
You guys got anything else here before we head to the Pickham
lobby to try to salvage some second-half sweats?
Here. Oh, it's halftime.
Yeah we got to we we we start doing RG Gen. at halftime
picking some stuff for the second-half.
So we got to, we got to get on that before the second-half
starts again. You guys are inviting the
misery. It's going to happen naturally
for me. So good luck with all that.
We'll do this again soon. Thanks.
Yeah, thanks, Robert. Appreciate it.
See you guys. That is Robert Mays from The
Athletic. Awesome.
Truly knows ball. The ball knowledge.
I I know more ball now. I just in that, yeah.
God, I could ask him questions all day.
I was geeking out. That was a blast.
I know. I I I was tempted to bring up
more Stroud stuff and I was like, no, Pat, this is ending.
Now he was confused. I thought we were at halftime,
'cause they were showing all the guys like, on the field for.
Oh, we had time. I could have asked him about
Stroud again. Minute 5 left.
Yeah, it. Did look like halftime let's
let's let's get in the weeds though here and see if we can
come up with some some angles here for for at the half.
So just to check in on our core here, Deontay Foreman, I did see
someone say while all that was happening with Maze and I didn't
want. To we went to the, went to the
tent, but then was back out of the tent on the sideline was the
last I heard, but I don't see him on the field right now.
Well, this is 2 Minute Joe. They don't.
I mean, this is not gonna be his.
His stuff. True early second-half will be.
And we learn what the deal is with him true.
The DJ More yards, OK. How we feeling?
I think the Chuba 1 scares him the most.
Yeah. I mean, it's gonna have to be
through receptions. Yeah, we need.
We need the Bears to score. They have 97 total yards.
The Panthers, I mean, they had a punt return TD.
They have six first downs in the first half.
They've run 24 plays. None of these are good numbers
for anyone who doesn't have. Yeah, Bryce Young has two yards,
right? No, sorry.
I was looking at the wrong stat. Nevermind.
Yeah, he's got 63 passing yards, but they're they're still
struggling. It's not much better than two
yards. I don't go back to this well,
but Adam Thielen, 3031 receiving yards in the second-half. 8
currently with what, 4 catches? 3 catches?
I'm I'm down for actually. I don't know if I want to play 3
yards. I I thought preserving.
Look at this Tommy Triple Lover 4 1/2.
I think this Tommy Triple Dover 0.50.
God, that's amazing. I love that.
That's some closing line. We do need the Bears to score on
this drive. Back to your point of the game
script. The Panthers are doing nothing
because they've led the whole first half.
They're playing super conservative.
They're already trying to turtle and and win this game.
You know 5:50 which is not. Not great that the bear side is
pulled right now because they're on the field, so we can just
wait a second. So here, here's the difference,
I think, between Bryce Jong and Tyson Bay.
Definitely hope is OK here. Yeah, if he's concussed, who
plays quarterback for ship, He's been leaving them out there.
So Nathan Peterman guys, is where we would go next.
I thought it might be. Him.
But I wasn't sure. Historical anomaly is breaking
that Foreman is totally fine and definitely doesn't have an ankle
injury, so that's good. That's suspense.
The hood, the the difference between Bryce Young and Tyson
Beijing is Bryce Young when the he sees the defender coming and
he just like literally stares the dude down.
And then at the last second he like throws the ball out of
bounds and Beijing sees the guy. And he does this like it's kind
of the CJ Stroud thing where he does the upper body pump fake.
And then he throws like a total duck, but he.
But he thinks of something cool. He's like my biggest.
Yeah, it kind of works. And then he just throws like a
worst pass you've ever seen. But, you know, it's the thought
that counts. We've got 49 from DJ Moore.
We're going to hit that part of it.
And Mooney has no catches, right?
Oh, I had to speak. Right.
Was that Mooney? Come on.
Man, I think that's that's not Mooney.
Oh, no, that's not. It's not it.
Yeah. Yeah, that was Scott, right?
Yeah, Mooney. Mooney had that one little
catch. That's.
The. Very beginning.
Yeah. That was it.
Yeah. He has one catch for six yards.
Oop. Agent rolling, right?
Oh, see, that was it. Was almost cool.
Yeah, I don't even. I don't have a good read on the
second-half of this game guys. I I mean like it's there's not
been a lot of yards in the. First half it's not looking
promising. I I love that you mentioned
Tommy Trimble has .5 yards. .5, which is hilarious.
The other thing that's hilarious about that is they have his
catch prop at set for it's at .5 to clear it to get one catch.
So they're basically saying he's going to get another catch.
But it would be for just one yard.
Like like it's not for. Anything more than one yard gain
on the catch? So far, he has the one catch for
no yards. So nice.
Nice. Yeah, we'll take that.
That's great. Still all the time out?
Yeah, they're they're in solid field goal range.
They can take a couple shots of the end zone.
Maybe at least one. Now, I don't know what the
number's going to be, but one thing I would be interested in
is Miles, Sanders unders. Let's see, has he even touched
the ball? They don't even have it posted.
Miles Sanders isn't in the lobby right now.
He hasn't even touched the ball. I mean, I wanted to take his
overs. Oh, you guys got off that and
and were smart enough to want to be on Chuba.
I didn't know how. Well, let's let's tours out on
how smart that was. Well, I mean, it was right from
a usage perspective, 'cause I thought it might get closer to
5050. Oh, Agent wow, dude, time out.
Jeez. Jeez, Beijing's fun, man.
He's he's got a lot of. Fun.
Yeah, he is that. But that ball's got to come out
quick, 'cause if you do that play in like 5 seconds, you
could potentially take another shot.
He took a that became a nine second play, and now you're just
kicking the field goal. That's what Carolina wanted,
obviously. Right, right, right, right.
I have 7 tackles. Let's go.
Let's go, I need. Come on, is there any way that
you can sub in your fibers for your core?
Right. Yeah, I think our tack ones are
looking way better than our core.
Yeah. And our unders both Mooney
Tremble. Yeah.
And and DJ Moore and Luvu, all the things we tacked on to make
the five is looking better than our core.
Our core is not not looking good.
Daniel Why does mine only say 5? It says 7 on ESPN 2, so OK.
Update stack corrected to six. We still up.
Yeah. We're we're on a good pace
there. I'm seeing 7 on ESPN still.
But all right. It's half.
They gotta they gotta fire these up.
What do we got for numbers here all?
Right. All right.
Let's see. Here, DJ Moore's only 20.
What were we going to say? No, I'm saying still no.
Miles Sanders DJ more 75 1/2 Bajan's less than 100 passing
yards. He's already at 127.
I I mean. It does.
It Doesn't it feel like Chicago's going to get the lead
here and then get, Yeah, and then we're not going to pass.
But I I mean, is Carolina gonna do anything?
They've they've looked bad in this game.
Chuba's receiving is down to 4 1/2.
I like that. That you you guys like Chuba's
receiving before the game 4 1/2. That actually seems like it
makes a lot of sense. Yeah, 'cause we like, we like
the Bears to to get the lead. Yeah.
And and Chupa's gonna catch some passes.
He's running a lot of routes. Miles Sanders isn't playing.
That's that's money right there. I was a little worried about.
It I would. Happily take an under on Terrace
Marshall. I'll tell you that much.
Let's do it. I know it feels bad, but well,
DJ charts out. Is he running a lot of routes?
Someone get it on Nathan Yankee. I'm going to call my Twitter.
Terrace Marshall has run 11 routes, so Feeling at 17, Mingo
at 17, Marshall 11. Stray Can or whatever 6.
Haydenhurst 9. Tommy Tremble 8 Sorry, what was
those numbers? So Marshall's at 11 routes, one
target, 11 of like. How many drop backs?
Yeah, he's probably around. Miles Sanders has, He snaps 7
routes. Run.
Wow. All Miles Sanders has done is
run routes. Chuba only has four routes.
Miles Sanders has seven and Blackshear has four.
That's what's weird. But what?
Let's take the Chuba over rushing if you want.
I think the Chuba over receiving makes sense.
He's still going to be out there on early downs.
You could go over both. But yeah, 4 1/2's just so low.
I I like it. Over on who?
The other one? Who's the other one?
So Marshall under could make sense if we think they placed
that strike and got a little bit more in the second-half after he
showed a little juice in the first, that would come directly
at the expense of Marshall. Looks like you have Thielen and
Mingo at 17 each. Eleven and six.
Yeah. Are there any kind of breakdown
overs that makes sense? Passing attempts maybe?
He's at 14, 30 1/2 completions. It's only 12 more instead of,
oh, that's only 7-7 more. Yeah, he only has seven 'cause
they haven't only had the ball cause the punt returned TD.
But attempts, attempts is easier to get to than 'cause.
I just think, 'cause he dumps off short a lot and we're
already playing the Chuba Yards and Thelen is gonna be like his
biggest target. Like, yeah, they get the Pepsi's
got to move the ball too. They got to keep the ball.
If if we're doing anything with Bryce, I think.
We got to. Correlate it with Thielen,
though, right? Like if Bryce succeed, Thielen's
succeeding, but Thielen's. Why don't we do completions and
receptions? Oh, we can't do receptions with
Thielen. Give us receptions on her dog.
Eelan has three yards. He's averaging 2.666 yards per
catch right now. So to get to 40 receiving yards,
he's only going to need, like, I don't know, 16 receiving
receptions or something completions is a fun sweat, but
I don't know if I can sweat 12. Bryce Young, well, you you want
17 attempts is a lot of attempts.
But I I just need him to Chuck it.
I don't need anything to happen after that.
I'm relieved. Yeah, that's fair.
They do got to stay on the field though.
For that to work, we need the Bears to score point.
It's a bet on the Bears, basically.
Yeah. I think completions or attempts
is fine for for Young to be clear.
I'm OK with either too. I'm OK with either.
It's just sort of what we correlate with probably.
I wish you could. Give us They're not giving us
any Bears running back stuff with the Foreman uncertainty,
which sucks. I think we just go DJ more over
'cause he only needs another 27 yards and he had 49 in the first
half and he used DJ more. Yeah, but that it's a little
concerning with the the way we think this goes.
Like, I could see more getting like 15 more yards, you know
what I mean? Yeah.
For sure. I would love to play it through
the running. I want to play this Bears
running backs. I just think with the targets so
far he has seven out of 2324. He has seven targets on 24
passes. He has a massive target share
that that outside target share number with the Panthers that
Pete pulled before the game. I I feel like we've seen that
every time I look down. Roshan has five targets.
Cole Comet has four. Those have seemed like the
extended plays dump offs. Comet's caught a couple of
those. He caught one of those, but a
lot of the drop back stuff has just been more, more, more.
You did the combined. Do we want?
Do we want you can do combine. Why not.
It's not free. Yeah, he's not free rolling.
He already has that rushing yard.
He he's currently at 50 and 49. That's OK.
Throw it in. Throw it in.
It's even, it's even, it's even. And he he might get a 15 yard
run in the second-half. He's he's a fun one.
You want to let. Should we lock this one in and
then we could add a five? Yeah, yeah, yeah, let's do it.
Then we'll add a a Bryce Young thing and I don't know, and a
feeling thing probably. It's I I just parse.
With this in the. Chat We got Chuba Higher 4 1/2
receiving yards, Terrace Marshall Lower 11 1/2 receiving
yards. DJ Moore Higher 76 1/2 We could
add a Baigent passing yard thing to correlate with more.
We don't really need to go that heavy on Baigent.
We can just bet on more. Yeah, 'cause it's a, it's a
target concentration play. Yeah, right, right.
Good call. Agreed.
So Rice Young either attempts your completions, Pat, and I
don't care. People, I'm open to, I'm open to
either. Do you have a preference, Pete?
Man, I feel like he's like tucking and running at a decent
bit to where I'd almost rather go completions than attempts.
OK. And then do you want to just
correlate it with Thielen? With Thielen?
Yeah, yeah, let's do 1 yard. OK, it's Thielen and Chuba's.
It's 70 yards. I actually like this one.
This one's fun. Yeah, Do you?
What about the the negative correlation with Bryce and then
Marshall? Although it's completely because
we're playing it as straightchen, we're saying
straightchen get some run all. Right.
All right. There you go.
Here's another one. Do you want to?
Do you want to tweak this? Do you want to do a third?
Do you? Yes, yeah.
What do you like today guys? We we we got some.
What do you want on the? How do you want to tweak it?
More freaky Luvu. The thing is, is they only have
the assist number, which doesn't feel like, yeah, no, you don't
like, that's not good. Tackles.
And then you're like, Oh no, it wasn't assist.
That doesn't seem that fun. We're not doing that.
No, no, I don't. I mean, somebody, said Beigent
Rushing Yard's in the chat. Like, that's kind of
interesting. He's been moving around.
Yeah, T bag is that. Yeah, that's Ian's been calling
him T Bag too. Who do?
Which ones we want to take out, like the Thiel and Bryce Young
and then try something around that maybe take out Marshall,
'cause that would, yeah, take out Marshall.
We don't need to have Marshall in there and everything.
Keep the Bryce Young completions, keep the Bryce
Young completions or do attempts this time or yeah, we could do
that. Well, let's see what it's
correlated with. I'd almost rather, I'd almost
rather correlate something with Chicago.
Yeah, we could just do his yards.
Agent's yards. Yeah, 'cause, I mean, if, if,
if, yeah, I like that. Oh, you want to just like, yeah,
I mean if Moore were to get like 50 or 75 yards in the
second-half and I have 100 yard day, like yeah, good point.
Beijing would be well, you. Want to core?
Like Comet with it? He's 16.
Sure. Wow.
They just rugged us on. They've they've raised on this.
Man, you gotta accept it, Pete. It's already in.
Oh. I'll gladly accept it.
These are the rules. Let's get a loan.
We're going. This is the one where we're
saying Carolina actually does continue to lead the game a
little bit. Yes, 'cause we can't play, we
can't play Chicago's running backs.
So we kind of. Just.
Have to take the script. No, we don't.
They're not giving us any Chicago running backs.
We don't the the men. Oh, but so wait, we could say,
are there any unders on the defensive side 'cause this is
going to be mostly passing? You want a Jack Sanborn sweat?
He's like a brutal sweat. Did you mean under on Carolina's
D? Yeah, yeah, I'm at Carolina.
Oh, I think that in Chicago, Steve, he met with Frankie Lubu
under You Watch. The.
Middle of the Lubu doing middle Frankie Lubu.
Yeah, let's. Metal Lubu I.
Was trying to figure out the full fucking game.
If it was a full tackle or an assist sounds no.
If we if we middle is the play is Marshall's under again Yeah.
The the play is Marshall's under again.
Yeah. Yeah.
OK. But what if we I don't want to
go, I don't want to have Chuba higher than in this slip and the
number went up. It's like if we're playing this
more through the Chicago rolls and do you want to do the tuba
rushing? Then that I I would, I wouldn't
mind that more if we're playing Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
More Hewitt. Love that, love that all.
Right. Love that.
I don't feel as dialed in as we bet in previously.
No. God, this is this game's
horrible. We and we don't even have the
running backs on one side. Like, not financial advice.
We're just blasting off, sweating.
I know we're asking you to stick with us for the rest of this
game, but it's a terrible football game I'm gonna force.
What a sell then? I'm gonna force.
Some more tequila. I'm gonna go make some.
I'm gonna go. Well, I guess we can't all
leave. No, I'll be here.
I'll be. I'll be here.
Couldn't even give us the ASMR four, that's how.
That's how bad it is. You say your parents are in
town, Pat. Yeah, my parents are here, yeah.
Nice. Yeah, I've.
Had my parents are gonna be out for another ship cast in about a
month or so. Nice.
Yeah, that's not bad, 'cause I'm like.
Hey, it's great to see you guys. Anyway, I'm gonna be narrating
my long ass article. Yeah.
You gotta do that tonight. Yeah, I gotta do it.
Brittany's cousin's also visiting and this she's going to
be staying in this room. And so I'm like, I don't know
where I'm going to do the rest of the work.
It's all written, but now I need to finish narrating it.
So yeah, well, it'll be quite the night.
Just book A. Fucking hotel for the night.
Go record it. I don't.
I mean, I don't know. I guess, yeah.
Yeah, it's a great idea. I mean, there's a living room
I'm just gonna have. What I actually am gonna do is
go into the living room and use my laptop and remember the
thing. I don't know why this question
is making me laugh. Are y'all's parents into
fantasy? Cause of you?
No, they most certainly are not into fantasy.
My dad asked me about the the NFL a lot now.
Yeah, he likes, he likes to. He's like, what?
What surprised you? I think I did it.
The a couple times ago that my parents were here, they were
here for when the Dolphins just boat raced the Broncos, you
know, and dropped. And I I didn't have dolphin
stuff in DFS and my mom literally had just like the most
accidental needle of all time. So she's like, you know, she's
trying to figure out how fantasy works.
And she's like, so if you would have had a lot of dolphins, you
would have made a lot of money today.
I was like, yeah, exactly, exactly, Mom.
Oh man. Kevin Tompkins, who I did see in
the discord last night, mentioning he did order Taco
Bell. He says DoorDash accidentally
gave me somebody else's order in addition to my own from Taco
Bell thriving. Although Nacho fries are no
good. Wow.
Are you sure it wasn't Ben Gretch's order from about a
month ago? I was gonna say talk to Ben
first, make get him to better or some better stuff.
I heard that. I think.
I think it it may have been all right.
So Panther's got the ball here. That's probably good.
Probably good for us. We have a lot of traction down.
I feel like everything could be good or bad for us at this
point. I feel like, yeah, it's just the
biggest thing, right? We need Chuba, Chuba one way or
another, right? We need some Chuba in our lives.
We need Deontay Foreman to be healthy and we need someone to
Chuck it. We need one of these two teams
to Chuck it. And if the and then if those
running backs do stuff, we're OK.
Bryce, how about you go talk Chuba.
That was not a completion. See, that is an attempts.
See. That's why I wanted attempts
guys. It's a lot of attempts we should
have done attempts, Pat. Glass brother, dude.
Glass brother. Cheers, Glass Brother.
Those sick glasses guys. They.
Are. I'll send you the crate&barrel
Link bud. Elevate your domesticated game.
I do have a moustache for my member, you know?
Can't tell. Wait, hang on a second.
No. Arthur Smith caught it.
Oh, Miles Sanders. Could he cut?
Could he shave? Is he just scrolling everyone
now? Did he shave it for Movember?
Literally shaved it, right? That's why I grew it out,
because I can't have the same facial hair as Arthur Smith.
That was the role. But is isn't Movember for like,
cancer? Isn't that what it's?
About it's it's a legitimately good 'cause that is like a an
international thing now, and Arthur Smith conveniently cut
his mustache right as that was starting.
So he's God. I have I I wrote.
I wrote about Smith a little bit this week.
I'm pretty you got something to add to I'm pleased go back.
I'm pleased with myself. Yeah.
Now I've got. Now I've got the Movember thing.
No, I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna is someone who
can't grow a mustache. I'm, I'm going to.
Here you go Pat. Marshall, Pat.
No, let's I got was that was that Terrace Marshall or was
that straight 86? This is a thesis.
I don't know. But it was.
It was an attempt though. I know, I know that.
But they they punted. The point was they need to
actually move the Dang ball. No?
The point is a three and out could be worth 3 attempts and 0.
This is actually where I wish Bryce Young was more like Zach
Wilson, who checked it down fabulously to Michael Carter
like 19 times at the end of that game.
Yep, that was the Straighten guy.
So Terrace Marshall was not on the field.
There are under for Marshall looking.
Yeah Pat I got I got the line for you dude.
You say this on the on the walkthrough.
This one's on the House. You go Movember.
How about MO targets for Bijon Robinson?
Oh God, guys, How good was Jake Trowbridge's thing over at That
was so good. He's so talented.
That was so funny. God, you know why?
You know why it's so good? Because it's a little.
Disturbing, like he actually like if you're going to do that
Joker thing, you actually think you got to like a little.
Like, yeah, and and you've done a lot of these bits and and like
somebody referenced Mccasky thing the other day.
The Mccasky thing wasn't good. Like I tried to like do a little
bit of a a like whatever, like a personality thing with it and
then all listen, Matt, have a seat.
Don't worry, I'm not going to roll the whole clip I just got.
You have a fever a little because it's still in the stream
yard hopper. You know, it's easy to.
Click. It's it.
You got You got to like the actual stuff that you have to
say to do this. You guys are so freaking
talented at it. Jake is incredible because like
he's like how do you have like a script or something to follow
but also stay in character. And it's like, I mean it was
perfect. It was so good.
Like very high level skit. It was very good.
All right, Speaking of yo quiero, Taco Bell, it's Steph
Miller and Bella the star, the breakout star of the ship cast.
Sorry, Robert Mays. Move aside, Bella is here.
Ella is not happy. Oh my goodness.
How you doing, Steph? I'm good.
How are you guys? You know we're we're doing good.
You know we're we're getting through the game.
You know one segment at a time, 1 slash pass attempt at a time
through. The game.
Yeah, this game. This game's brutal.
It is. It is.
But Bella is bringing an enjoyment in brightening up our
lives as Deonte's foreman. What?
A1 handed catch. It's beautiful real quick,
Steph. There was AI didn't get to
address. There was a a debate breaking
out in the chat about Nacho fries.
Do you or Bella have takes on? Are Nacho fries good or bad?
What do you think, Bella? Bella.
Bella says she likes them, but I've never had them, so I really
can't comment. OK, Bella, let's see here.
God, Bella's so cute. Beautiful.
She's kind of looking like a bit like Taylor Heinecke on
Halloween right now, if you know what I mean?
A little. Dear.
A little dear that looks Steph, tell us about Week 10 what was
going on on the waivers. It was obviously Keaton Mitchell
season who popped up on the injury report.
Today, not everywhere, 'cause we had him for a dollar in a couple
spots last week. Thanks Steph.
That's right. One spot.
We had a lot of him before when he was on IR, like right before
he was going to come off. And then we dropped him when he
got re injured. Goodness, that is the best case.
Yeah, it's just you get these guys locked on your lineup.
I never had a chance to drop Trey McBride and and you know,
he's just still. On your team?
That's the beauty of it we dropped, Sean pointed.
Out to me, Sean pointed out to me.
We dropped him in chasing stolen bananas.
Our team, we dropped both Calamari and Trey McBride.
Really good team it is. It's a great team.
Steph, what else was going on in the waiver streets this week?
Well, I mean that was the big one.
And then we did get quite a bit of Ty Chandler, who was probably
the second best running back available.
And then there was a lot of Noah Brown.
And I mean, I was surprised at the price he was.
I mean I was surprised at a lot of prices, but.
Yeah, I saw him go for a little over 200 in a few spots.
That's. Wild, I mean, yeah.
Look, I'm a Cowboys fan. No.
Sucks. Like, I was watching a lot of
Noah Brown and like, he's not good.
But I mean, Nico was on the injury report, but I think he's
OK. So like, you know, we were kind
of talking. About that and you might.
Miss Oh, now is OK. I didn't get a chance to
recheck. Yeah, but still like Noah Brown
had like 6 targets last week. If he doesn't have a 75 yard TV,
which I mean he did have but it was a big part of his whole day.
He's I rode him up in silence signals as as pretty clearly the
4th most important part of their passing game.
Even if Collins misses, you kind of say Tank and Don Schultz are
more important than Noah Brown right?
Like, yeah, he. He can't separate.
I mean, he never has been able to, like he's not a good
receiver, The one thing you know, as people were saying, and
with Nico missing, like even with Robert Woods's return, like
he is going to play probably like the Nico Brown or the Nico
Collins role, right? Like more on the outside.
It's tough. So he's played a lot of slot,
actually. Noah Brown.
Has he? Yeah, yeah, weird.
Noah. Noah.
Well, like Noah catches, if you know what I mean.
That is how you tag my Movember joke right there.
Yeah, What? What was your take, Steph, on
the Keaton Mitchell stuff like fool's gold and like, let's set
aside the recent injury thing. Let's just talk about it like
before then. Did you did you like him as a as
a pay up spot here? I mean, I do.
I mean, how can you not if you've like watched that and
then we saw like what a chain did.
I mean, we love those little explosive guys.
And I mean, this backfield has been ambiguous the whole year.
You know, we've been waiting for more stuff to happen.
It seems like, you know, Gus is gonna always get his touches.
He's gonna have more of the goal line role.
You know, if Lamar's not taking stuff.
But I mean, he was, you know, just a little spark plug.
And he's been great in college. He was a really fast guy.
He was one of the most explosive players in college as well.
He had, I put it in there. It was a crazy that where he
was, he had like 20% explosive play, like he was tied as like.
The number one guy with like the most explosive plays over his
college career in this class. I don't know why he was
undrafted. Like, it's kind of surprising,
honestly. Like, the more I dug into him, I
mean, I I knew him a little bit. I have him on a dynasty squad.
But yeah, the more I look at it, I'm like, OK, this goes, I mean,
he's not very big, but he's a good player.
And if you just think he is macro holistically, and if you
don't get caught up in like the depth chart and you know Gus
Edwards is looking good, it's like, what are the things you
want to invest in right now that could absolutely scorch down the
stretch, right? You want electric players in
good offenses and Keaton Mitchell's an electric player
who plays on the Ravens. You know, so like, to me that
seems like simple calculus of a guy you should be interested in.
Because if there isn't it like if something happened to Gus
Edwards. And I think that's the thing
people get tripped up on, right? Where they're like, well, he's
not going to be the lead back. And it's like you can still add
him as a contingent back. It's the same reason why we're
adding high. Chandler.
Right. We're not.
And he's super smart. Touches, it's a.
Super smart. Simple.
It's super smart, simple calculus.
I just want sorry, I just wanted to highlight that that's a great
call. Like, explosive, good offense.
It's that simple, 'cause we don't know what's going to
happen. Be hard, Yeah.
I mean, my Miami has three backs, possibly 4 if you count
Augbed. And you know, I mean just saying
there's other backfields with multiple guys that we're not
attributing the same thing. Like you say we want these
pieces of good offenses and especially these guys that are
so explosive that they don't need a lot of touches to break
off a big play. You know, I mean at this point
you, you, you know, you're looking for something and it's.
There's a lot of people, right Young.
She's in the pocket. What does he do?
He's like, he does this little. He did like a little salsa move.
He was like and then he immediately gets back like,
what's the point of that? I mean, at least he's moving.
Zach Wilson would have just stood there until he got hit.
He's moving like he's trying to like do like a dance partner
move with the guy like, oh, did you just the tight window throw
he had to rasheem Raheem Blackshear and double coverage
for a three yard game. For a three yard game.
Yeah, really beautiful stuff. Like what?
What's his, what's the point? What are you trying to do like?
I don't know why I talked us into completions.
That was a real dumb. I've been talking about I had
their receivers on, I was in on. I was in on completion.
The receivers are so bad. Like, why would we do that?
Incompetence. And we got to bet on
incompetence with the test. I missed out on that part of the
halftime. I didn't get any of that one,
but I did get a couple of the others.
So nice. Steph, how's your How's your
Scott First Bowl team doing 1st? Place.
Well, I'm first within my division.
I actually forgot to write 'cause I was like, rushing to
get everything done. And I was like, Oh no, I didn't
write the little word. I think everyone assumed you
meant first place in RAW. We're like, hell yeah.
No, I nothing else need to be said.
Yeah, I I'm a 18th overall still.
I think I held steady, so I still only lost the one week.
So you know I've secured a playoff spot cause thirteen wins
going in get you a playoff spot. So nice I have a legitimate
chance. We'll see.
There you go. This was kind of a rough week
for us. I know we had a lot of players
impacted on by lots of Jags, lots of Niners.
We did pull out a crazy win in chasing stolen bananas.
You highlighted here. This is our team with Sean
Siegel. We do have CMC and Travis
Etienne on this game. We scored less than 100 points
in one. Was it all because of the Browns
defense? Stuff, yes.
Pretty much. I mean, I was like, I I looked
at it. I was like, they started what I
was like how the hell did they win like here?
I mean, here's John Sullivan, Ahmed.
I mean, well, you know, when you had to start Kendrick Miller, he
actually scored more points than them, but there.
Was a lot of debate. Yeah, a lot of Kendra Miller
discourse this week and his four points.
I mean, we were. We were. 31 yard reception,
yeah. Yeah, I played Ken Walker in
mine and he got two points. That was fun.
Yeah. Kendra Miller.
Over Ken Walker all day our our Mini Sods team here is a really
fun team. This was the very first slow
draft that. It's such a ship chasing team
where it's like. It's true. 0 running back.
It's kind of got some interesting stuff happening at
running back, but it always feels like we're like, but in
two weeks this could look horrendous at at running back,
but the receivers are just so good.
Yeah, this. Is the team.
So we had obviously A.J. Brown and CD Lamb and Deontay
Jonathan, but we also had branded IUK Debo Samuel and DK
Metcalf like who are we even starting this week?
I think I moved Metcalf to the bench because he's like a little
banged up when I think practice today, which is interesting.
Yeah, No. A.J.
Brown is on by I. Think I'm going to make Metcalf
the. The cover boy, the walkthrough.
So I'm gonna be kind on the table to get Mecca.
So we have A.J. Brown on by and I took my calf
out because he's banged up and I didn't put Debo in because I
didn't know he was good yet. And here's our receiver still
when those three guys are on the bench.
CD Lamb, Deonte Johnson. Brandon Iuke, Jordan Addison.
Yeah, I think Metcalf over at DK Metcalf did miss practice today
with a hip. I just confirmed that 'cause I
saw that, yeah, he was, he was. It popped up today and Tyler
Lockett and Kenneth Walker practiced in full.
I I I was. I think I.
Found I was one of the beat writers said he saw him at
practice today. Bob Kendata said he was at
practice today. The Seahawks added star wide
receiver DK Metcalf to the practice report Thursday with a
hip injury. He did not practice is what I
saw. This also says he didn't.
He said he was visible late. Bob Kandada said he was visible
later. That's what I had seen, Okay.
Well, maybe I might have to change the cover boy if he's
hurt. But he was there but didn't
participate. Kandada saying he was there.
He. Had said it was probably a rest
day, cuz he'd been kind of. Or JSN?
Or he wasn't on this yesterday. On a rest day, it they're.
JSN is fine. From what?
I read. They did a bunch of weird stuff
last week with their injury report too, so I'll have to dig
into more. I just think this sets up
really, really well for Metcalf, assuming he's like.
Well, we we can't sit, we can't sit CD.
We. Oh, let's go, Foreman.
I'm so glad that Foreman is back, guys.
I just like the tilt of losing a guy to injury is like, if we
just make bad picks, that's one thing, but when you lose it to
injury, that's a that's another. And he's got to be getting close
to going over, right? Yeah, going higher on on the let
me check. We just we just need to punch
this in and then we don't have to 'cause he's got 2 catches for
12, so that's 2.2 and then 55, he's at like 7.7 ish, and he
only needs to get to like 9:00-ish.
There's a Comet catch. We had him for some yards.
Yeah, let's. Do always doing a lot with
baggot? Yeah.
Are you calling him? Are you calling?
Are you on the tea bag train, Steph, You're calling him
Baggot? You're calling him a baguette?
You know, whatever works. I haven't.
I luckily don't have to watch the Bears very often.
They're never broadcast by me. Foreman.
Come on, buddy.
We picked up Herbert in a league and I'm like trying to figure
out what's going on with Khalil and I'm trying to figure out
what's going on because, you know, I thought he was maybe
going to start and then didn't. That's crazy that someone
dropped him. I mean, I know Foreman's looking
good, but that still doesn't feel like a guy that should be
dropped. Someone dropped Connor right
before he thought. Oh.
Kolka met Tush push for a first down.
Just now. That was interesting.
DJ Moore's higher's good. Yep.
The Mooney under's looking good. Thielen can.
Oh God, he's still a ways off. We got to get Foreman's 1.55
away. He's good.
Chuba and Thielen, we got to get some Panthers dropped.
Thielen hasn't had any more catches.
I know 'cause they haven't. Played much offense like this
team is like. They've only run 30 total plays
at this stage of the game, like they need to run some damn
plays. I was so off a feeling and
everything and then I finally played in the last couple weeks
in DFS and he hasn't done shit. And then we take his higher and
he's. Ruin us.
I I hate to admit this to everyone, but the thesis behind
us putting him in our pick him entry was to mush him once and
for all. It.
Was to help our best way to slow him down and.
I'm too. I'm too much.
I'm like, I'm. I'm driven too much by like
passion. I was like, I can't guys.
I I I need it on the record. But I I don't want to be rooting
for feeling. I don't want to do feeling.
He really did not feel like signals you had to get in the
insult. Oh, there's one.
There we go. That's great for the game
script, too. That's great for the script.
That's great for everything. It's a.
Great. Pass, man, Let's go for the best
ball shares. I immediately started thinking
about like, what do we have in a lot of different spots.
I never put him in that lineup, Pete that we messaged about, but
I bet he didn't get into that lineup.
What? The Pentalone has got it.
The. Yeah, the pentalone.
No, Hassan said. He put him in.
Yeah, he's gonna line up. Let's go.
Yeah, 'cause I checked that, 'cause I was like, I was good
with it. Nice.
Who were you deciding between Tyler?
You can hump your own leg. Johan.
And Johan Dodson, yeah. Oh, OK, that seems.
Got really good running backs. It's got Bijan and Breece Hall
and Ramondre and Foreman, so we played four running backs in the
end. So it's pretty much got the same
running backs as on every team that you guys have.
So it's yeah, I just got the one.
Team we have to run up. You're figuring it out.
It's the same team everywhere. We're trying to make your job
easy. We draft the exact same team.
Do we have any four minute Halftime.
I like literally can't get no 'cause they didn't have it up
right. They didn't put anything up.
I wanted it so bad. I thought I've blasted the
memories out of my mind. I'm gonna grab a beer.
Any other takeaways, Steph, from the High Stakes portfolio this
week? I mean you know we're getting,
we're getting close. So you know we got a few teams
that are look like, you know, they they got really good
chances and a couple others that are close that are sweating it
and some that probably aren't going to get there.
When are we going to get into playoff optimization territory?
Starting to talk some defensive streamers who were stashing on
the bench? That that's kind of, I mean
right now I think you know anybody that is, you know,
you're upside. You know anybody who's an injury
away, running back, wise young guys, you know it's not a bad
idea to handcuff your own players if you have a really
strong team going in, you know, in case you get some injuries if
you have room for it. But yeah, some young guys, you
know, maybe that you think you know could take that, you know
rookie ascent into the second-half of the season.
Hopefully QJ would be, you know, a good guy that he's still got
some opportunity. We'll see.
I I want to believe that sauce is a hard that.
Joke and break week for QJ, right?
Like. It's got to be.
After this week, everything lines up for.
Him. If.
He has a bad week. We'll set the ball for Keenan,
is how this week looks to me. I'm like, this is a good Keenan
week at this point. High on QJ had to get it this
week. I don't want to become that guy.
I'm just saying this is the last.
There's no more excuses after this week is my I.
Think so? We're allowed to drop it
everywhere after this week? That's.
Fine, I was asking to. Drop them.
I'm just kidding. I mean, it depends who we're
dropping it for, but. No, no, I think, I mean.
There's so much opportunity and he was a first round pick.
There's just there's like there's something said for just
like he's always a hold when Leonie didn't want to let us
drop. Exactly.
I mean, because Josh Palmer went to IR, we got it.
We probably do have to wait to get off of IR.
He's with Justin Herbert. He's a first round pick.
They fucking need someone so bad.
So. Dylan got it.
No. Oh man.
The part about the play is that QJ definitely stinks.
Yeah, but he's gonna run a lot of routes.
The next few weeks he's gonna. They don't play him.
They keep playing in a like a. Super deep threat and he's like
better at just getting yards after the catch.
Like, yeah, maybe not play him as.
I mean, I feel like they could ski him better.
Yeah, they goes back for him to Mike Williams one day in a in a
sense. Yeah, look at who he is.
Not Mike Williams. Gypsy's Comet.
QJAKA. Quite Jofer.
UJ chipsy, those of us with JS JSN bags aren't allowed to make.
It's not funny. Yeah, I'm not laughing, but the
attempts was the right play man. He's gonna have 45 attempts and
three more completions. Let's have we're not gonna get
the completions. We are gonna get these done.
The completions is dead. It was 12 or 7 Cuba, but the
difference was five in completions.
He's already thrown three of them.
So yeah. That's a good question.
Speed feeling. Did Chupa get hurt or did?
That he was in on the the last. OK, come on.
Look at that completion. Oh, yeah, Yeah.
Oh, that's Nurse Marshall. Wait, what's?
The number on Marshall, though? I think it's 11 1/2 and that was
11, that was 11. Was it?
Oh wow, we're still what up? I had oh, sorry, I had AI have
it up. That looked like an 11 yarder.
And if I recall it was 11 1/2 lower 11, yes, 11 yes.
Wow. No more, no more.
Oh my gosh, that's. Feeling that's there we go, Rex,
he's doing, he's going, he's doing the Zach Wilson, he's
doing the reverse. Zach Wilson, he stares at the
running back and he doesn't throw it and then he like whips
his head and throws down fields. It's pretty wild.
Which direction does he run though?
I mean, whatever. Look somebody off.
At least they don't care out of there.
Yeah. Why is Sanders playing in the no
huddle? I hate it.
You looked right at Thielen. Oh, he went through some
progressions there and then bailed.
He tried some things. There's another incompletion.
Pat. We get it.
Pat. You don't know.
This isn't me here, he seems with Bryce Young.
OK, if you get it, you were right.
OK, I can hear you in my head. At least he feels the pressure,
though, like he seems to be aware that they're coming at
him. He does.
He normally doesn't. He does seem to be feeling the
pressure right now. Yeah, he's.
In his bag, right? Now it's bad because it's like
this is as good as I've seen him put and it's.
Looking at the live lobby, we have a Louvoo live solo tackles
live line. I mean, I'm in.
Let's keep building. We can do solo now.
More Frankie Luvu. Breaking news Panthers wide
receiver Adam Thielen just became the 5th undrafted player
in the Common Draft era with at least 600 career receptions.
That seems like a completely overfitted.
Fact. 5th undrafted player in the Common Draft era with at
least 600 career. So here's a question.
Who are the other four? I don't know.
I was Steve Largent, undrafted. I feel like that was part of his
story. He's a Hall of Famer.
Steve. No, he was a fourth round pick.
I made that up. That's what I like to hear,
Johnny. Let's get him to six O 3.
Yeah, there we go. Jimmy Smith.
There you go. Kevin's got one.
Jimmy Smith was there it is. Oh, he forgot how to catch.
Welker was, was drafted, was he not?
I think Chuba was in there, yeah.
Well, Adam. Tuba was undrafted.
No, no, no. Sorry.
I think Tuba was in the game there.
Six Felix, just 603 catches and then retire.
Edelman was the 7th rounder. Welker's correct.
Jimmy Smith, I believe it's. Tremble's in there, Demon.
Oh no, he was a second round pick.
I just tried to do a. Sparkle without the sparkle.
Right now I'm playing Sparkle on my own with the, with the, with
the chat, so Welker's the only correct one we've gotten so far.
Guys complete. There it is.
Oh, that's not Fizz. That's Mingo.
That's Jonathan Mingo. Mingo, you got to go.
Way to get the. Rugby.
Well, at least it was not Marshall.
Go for it. Go for it.
You're moving the ball for the first time all game.
Show some guts. It looks like they might.
Oh come. On Are you kidding me?
Cowards. Oh, I saw people picking up.
Harley Hennigan. That's a made-up name.
You guys are sick, dude. This is like, how do you not go
for it here? That is egregious.
Carly Hennigan only had 410 catches, but was an undrafted
wide receiver. What the hell, Gypsy, You just
made this up. This guy played in the 60s.
He's undrafted and was close to being correct.
Had 100 catches. He's.
Where did that come from? Never heard of this guy.
I'm impressed, Gypsy nose ball. Steph this.
Game. Who do you think regrets even
more, Steph? You agreeing to manage all of
our waivers or us agreeing to live stream every Thursday Night
Football game? Probably you guys.
No, I'm kidding. The Rod Smith check out.
Rod Smith. Sorry, I'm.
I just want. To know who's in charge of
scheduling, like they just need to schedule better games.
Britney's cousins here. And she was like, asking me
about, I wanted to grab the beer and they're like, oh, how's it
going? I was like, going good.
The game's real bad. And she's like, who are you?
Who are you rooting for? I was like, I I don't care who
wins. Like, I'm just rooting for
players. And she's like, oh, like, well,
if the game's bad, like, which players are cute at least.
And I was like, I think it's pretty ugly teams, too, I don't
think. I don't think I got anything for
you there. Here's the thing though guys.
Did you tell her about Jason Kelsey, though?
Oh, that would have and. I'm.
I'm sorry. As a girl, I don't.
I don't see that one. I don't see why he's sexy as.
Hell off Queen. I'll say this if if we would
have done ship cast for Dolphins, Chiefs would have been
terrible. We did ship cast for Bengals.
Bills would have been lackluster.
It's almost it would have been more tilting to have this, like,
incredible match up. And then it just be a sad
trombone versus At least we knew going into this game that it was
going to suck. All the Iowa games have a
problem. The NFL has has a product
problem. I mean redzone.
You know. That saves it.
Redzone saves it, for sure. And honestly, I think that might
just be Scott Hanson. Like, he's so good Because in
the hands of not Scott Hanson, Redzone is not as good.
No, there's just no way Getting back to the Jake Trowbridge
conversation. I mean, what's got like, it's
that's so hard to do what he does.
It's the energy. It's not too much energy.
It's not not enough energy. It's just and he's got people in
his ear. Like, I I don't know where I
was. I was recently telling the story
about when I did some live TV with CBS and like when they were
in my ear, it was hard. Pete, you do serious now.
I did serious as well. Like when they're telling me the
commercial break's coming, I stopped talking to listen and
I'm like, wait, how much time do I have to like counting down?
It's like, how do you finish your sentence?
Like, yeah, no, I did. I've done a little.
And like, they'll talk, you'll be talking.
And they're like 543. Yeah, I know how numbers work.
I know how numbers work. I couldn't do that.
That would let me get you're going to say 2 next.
No. Oh man.
I don't know how Scott Hanson could possibly do that.
I mean, these guys are so talented.
Yeah, they're asking if Hanson could get into the Hall of Fame.
He should. I don't know what the rules are
there, but he he should. No, I definitely.
He's done more for and I think he's done more for the NFL than
almost like any other broadcast. Yeah.
I'm not. Kidding.
Betting also helps the games in the NFL for sure.
Without having a sweat, I don't know how you could do it.
So two things. Next week could actually be fun.
Let's get T Higgins back. But we got Ravens, Bengals.
That could be fun. Those games always go one or two
ways, right? It's either like a gross
divisional slog or like a full blown shoot.
I'm optimistic on that. I I think that's that'll be
good. Even if it's gross.
You're talking about probably like good, interesting gross.
Like you have the Ravens defense probably doing some cool scheme
things. You have Luann and Rumo, who
Robert Mays was talking about a bunch, doing some interesting
scheme things. It's good players playing good
football. It's not this like what we're
watching, right? Now, someone asked in the chat,
so our schedule for Thursday. So we will.
We will not be doing a Black Friday game, but we will have
our quintessential Wednesday ship chasing Drunken Day before
Thanksgiving live stream. So we get a bunch of our friends
on, We'll get Spags and Lord Reeves and everyone we get
coming rolling through, and we build DFS lineups.
We'll do drafts. Throw some cocktails back.
It'll be a grand old time. Sounds amazing.
Sounds fun. Yeah, that's gonna be.
That's a fun one, yes. That was that.
This has nothing to do with us, but I always I always just love
the the yoni dink where they get drunk.
Oh, that's the The Playoff Challenge Friday night episode.
Yeah. No, no, no, not no.
Their their Thanksgiving episode.
Their Thanksgiving. It's just that I'm not plugging
ship chasing. I'm just saying a thing I like.
Adam complaints about Thanksgiving food.
I have. Thanksgiving.
Things one of the very first, like the one of the first shows
I did with Leonie, was like the drunk.
Leoni DFS build I did This was back when I was doing my shows
for photo grinders and Leoni got blackout like legit blackout.
I was having to tell him where to put his mic.
That's how that was. Like, that's when he wore all
the hats and everything. Yeah, that's, yeah.
Yeah, that was a. Fun one, the Thanksgiving one
was the 1-2 years ago where Daigle passed out.
In his hotel room, on camera like it was.
Just he was just there, Nowhere to be found.
Yeah, we were a little worried that he was like, still with us,
'cause it was, oh man, we needed, oh, we got a penalty
flag. It's probably on the defense.
We need them to punt, 'cause we need Carolina to have the ball.
We need Chuba. Yeah, we really need Chuba.
Yeah, Chuba's boning us. How many catches do we need for
Thiel? And three.
I think we might need two more, or maybe 3.
Think we need, Was it 6 or 6 1/2?
Yeah, 6 1/2. I think it was 6 1/2 and then it
was on the defense. On the core.
On the core, we need three more feeling and we need oh he
switched it to pass interference offense.
They're long called it on DJ Moore.
Wow, that's good. They're going to Fiver's looking
from the pregame. Clear pick.
We game Fiverr. So, well, all of these are going
to have the core, right? So like the Chuba in Phelan gets
it there, provided Darnell stays lower than 28.
So 'cause we have what's the under on this one?
What do you mean on which one? Oh, it's Darnell.
OK. Yeah.
Yeah.
So it's I'm saying if the core gets there, then this five pick
is also likely getting there. Right, right, right.
But we need, we need. What about the other?
Cuba. The other fiver is the tremble,
but it's still everything the the other fiver.
'S probably going to. Get there too.
Lulu's already yeah that's I'm not out there fucking Lulu so
all so that what does that seems like Lulu was the biggest no
ball just. I mean just an easy we should
have put him on the core dude. We should have put him on the
floor. It's just so much ball to him
out there. The the That was a bad call.
DJ Morris not happy. No.
Basically, if we get, if we get Chuba and Thielen, we could
basically sweep but that the Chuba feels.
But it's possible. If Thielen has a few catches,
they drive down and then Chuba gets the TDI mean.
That's a pretty easy way of getting that.
Chuba's a long way out, but we need the Chuba TD to suck out.
That's. Look at this.
Look at this short field here. We need 3 catches and a Chuba TD
that feels fairly large. This This punt was egregious.
I mean 40 yards for a Chuba TD. Look at this Bears guy.
He's. Kind of wearable.
This woman's Steph. I'm hungry for some Taco Bell
guys. Yeah, Gretchen's going to start
ordering some Taco Bell. I'm going to.
I'm going to let you get out of here so you don't have to be
subjected to a front row seat. To our our tilting.
But anything else you would like to tell the good people.
Obviously they need to subscribe to fabulous.
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I'll try to put some playoff strategy stuff in there and you
know, maybe I'll never know. I'll what?
I'll write up. I'll give you some thoughts
about that. Sounds everything going on, No?
All right. I don't have anything.
I'm just trying to, you know, stir, stir it up.
Maybe a day in the life of Bella.
Like a little. Write up.
Post could be fun. How about something like that?
There's a hold. That's not how we knew it.
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Steph, always great catching up with you.
Thank you, as always for all of your hard work on the on the
waiver grind. You're welcome, guys.
All right. Well, let's hope we hit some of
these pickups. Let's do it.
We'll see you, Steph, have a? Good night.
Bye. Later he leaps too.
Goodnight. Goodnight.
We can't even close down the street.
I'm not. Clay's trying to get me to take
a poll of whiskey. This is.
I mean, it's a it's a school night.
I got to take my kids to school tomorrow, buddy.
Like I'm drinking out of the 5th.
This isn't drab. Yeah.
Oh, that's some chuba points. That's over.
That's. Oh, it's a flag.
Flag. It's like ineligible down field.
There had to have been, right? That was a slow developing rip a
bong. Correct.
I can survive in the morning. That's a that's a more likely
scenario than me, Smith. Offensive interference?
Fast interference. Yeah, similar shit.
Bench him, dude. What has this guy ever done in
his life other than return the? Touchdown.
That gave him their only touchdown of the game.
Why are you blocking already? You don't have to do that.
Dude. That's also just a ticky tacky.
Yeah, he's close enough to the line of scrimmage.
Isn't that legal? Like, yeah, I'm not listening to
the game, obviously, but half a yard too far or some shit.
Go Chuba. OK, now Chuba's getting carries
on 1st and 30. I love 1st and 30.
That's when the Panthers offensive playbook really opens
up. You can do anything on 1st and
30. It's actually true that you can
do anything on 1st and 30 because it's horrible.
Goes back part of where nothing matters anymore. 1st and 30 run
it. What the fuck?
I hate this so much. I was Samuel.
You're you are my inner monologue right now.
The, the, the. But the thing that's cruel about
that joke is, even though you're completely right, you should be
able to do anything. I feel like 90% of first and 30
play calls are an inside draw or hand off.
It's like, let's just get 4 back and then we'll be fine.
But no, yeah, 2nd 26 is definitely fine and it should be
the exact opposite. You should be attacking,
obviously. I mean, I don't mean to tell you
guys that. But good Lord, try to make it
second and 25 at least. 2nd and 25 is so much more manageable.
2nd and 27, you're not gonna get there guys.
I mean, you should be like, yeah, trying to pick up 15.
Yeah, you should be trying to pick up at least 12.
I mean do something but just give up and and one way to think
about it is you need we need 215 yard plays in the next 3 downs.
So yeah let's try to get 15 but also I I was just gonna say
where they're at on the field it's it's maybe 4 down territory
because of that bad punt they backed up but if you can get
like 20-4 yards in the next 3 plays that 4th and 6th would be
a go. I think I don't.
Maybe it would be a fuel goal at that point, but like you should
be trying to get 24 yards in the next 3 downs even if you can't
get 30. The other thing is that like we
know, Bryce Young's not really going to bring anything
consistent to the table, so you. Completions.
You know this guy's, he's up to 11 completions.
Pat, watch. Watch your mouth.
He's up to 11 completions. What do we need, 17 1/2 or
something? Good Lord, we're a fuck.
The second down is a high completion down right here we're
getting the completion. Hopefully the feeling for five
yards. Easy game, easy.
Eight more. I think the next two downs, I
don't think that has four catches for 22 yards.
That's a rushing line. These ads feel so long that I'm.
I'm wondering if the NF LS like canceling this game behind the
season. It's like we can't no more.
This game's so bad. That's thinking about going to
hang out with his parents right now.
I know. Yeah.
I desperately wish I was just you could take we need.
California burrito right now. Go for it.
We need ATV so bad. Oh my God.
I was looking for my phone and I'm watching the game on it.
God, I've had some bad moments. Wow.
Maybe you shouldn't take a shot. Oh God.
It's all right. This is what's going to happen.
Cuba's going to suck out at TD. We're going to get Bryce Young
has a. 100 is going to come one catch short.
That's what's going to happen. Bryce Young has 104 passing
yards against the Bears and 45 of it was that one pass to
strike and that we went nuts on the rest.
Love that. I was taking him over CJ Stroud
in drafts. That definitely feels good.
There it is. There it is.
Cuba. That's how you set up third and
23rd and 23rd and 21, third and. 1920 is very manageable.
That's a great play call because it gets the ball in the hands of
one of your playmakers for completion.
So I just think it's a good play.
We're we're so broken, we're getting Cuba.
Exclamation parks after. Like it's really 1/2.
Yard catch. We need it.
Yeah, man, take. It.
I mean he's oh third and 17 guys.
If they can get 11 yards here to Chuba specifically, I would say
11 yards puts you in go for it range.
Let's go. Yeah, right.
We did. We just watch it.
Oh, Oh yeah, we start. I mean.
Come on. Encroachment.
Ben, you definitely drank
whiskey. I know I drank a lot.
I drink it like fast. It was bad.
It's hit me. Yeah, that's.
That was very bad, but. This is the real question.
Your silence has been deafening. Have you had a California
burrito from Ortiz's? I haven't.
Come on, fix your fix. Your life.
He's like, I'm living a pretty good life right now, actually.
Things are pretty good, just. Haven't had to get it from
Ortiz's yet. For a California burrito.
Fix your life. 3rd and 12 now. Now they can get like 8 yards
here and be in fourth and four, and they'll probably kick if
they do that. Oh God.
Let Chuba cook, Bryce, Chuba Chuba.
Make a man miss. Make six Man miss.
Did it go 4th and 6th? This is this was the target
number 4th and 6th. Now we get the Frank Reich
decision moment. You guys wanted to play Chuba's
receiving and I did not like that.
It's gone over. You guys were right.
That second-half receiving is good for the second-half builds.
It's over. That's his third catch.
Right, yeah, he's up to 4.9 fantasy points.
I think that's pre he's up to. 4.9.
No, that was his. I think that's pre.
His third, is that pre? OK, I think.
I think that was before that third down catch.
They are going for it. The 4th and 6th is live.
Let's get it. Oh yeah.
Come on, Bryce. What's the feeling there's?
19. Flags.
Oh my God, that's Tommy Tremble. They're going to decline it.
It's it's like defensive wuzzing.
It's going to get declined unless it's offensive fast
interference. Tommy Tremble on a scramble
drill in the fourth quarter 2. Fouls on a play.
Oh no, They're both declined. Tremble.
I mean tremble. Shit, did we play the over on at
halftime on Tremble? No, we didn't end up.
Doing it, didn't we? Tremble.
Come on, Crunch. Remember the .5 that we were
talking about? That's the first thing you said
at halftime. You were like trembles down to
.5. Oh.
Man, how how many yards was that?
It was a lot 11. He's up to 11.
Fuck. What was it, 9 1/2?
Blackshear's in it. Running back now.
Why? Feeling.
Why is Blackshear in? Why would you ever play Raheem
Black? I mean, I get benching Miles
Sanders because you like Chuba Hubbard, but Chuba Hubbard's
like a really interesting back. Like, why are you going to your
third back? He's off.
I'm.
Manifesting it, guys. Adam Thielen catch, Adam Thielen
catch. Chuba punches it in.
I just manifest. That's it.
That sounds great. I like that.
Yeah, maybe. Wait, so someone was saying in
the chat here that that there was a better burrito place than
than this place you're saying I still need to go to?
Yeah, fuck off, Josh, Joshua with Frick says.
It's not the best, Joshua. With.
Frick. Look at that.
Easy completion. Come on.
Up to 15 completions. Yeah, but the Sanders dude, Or
if he's scratching, hang on. Oh, he's scratching up there.
3rd and five. We do need a.
Mother, this is Adam alien territory right here, if I've
ever seen it. This has been a good drive.
We're back in. We're back live on a lot of
stuff other than the tremble. The tremble catch wasn't great,
obviously. Oh, catch the ball.
Me. Well, I'm behind.
That was Terrace Marshall. They're really going to kick a
field goal here. You can't kick a field goal
here. You absolutely.
Donkeys That's Pi that wasn't Pi.
Did this make it makes no sense. What were you going for it?
No 'cause then. Then the second field goal, and
he's got to make them both 'cause you can miss field goals
is just for the tie. The TD gives you a one point
lead. There's a big difference between
forcing OT and taking a lead. I hope he should.
I wish you would have missed that.
Oh God, yeah, What a terrible decision.
I thought Reich was a good coach, like three years ago.
It's been quite a fall from grace in my mind.
Dude, normally I like to think we can Wait, What was this?
Oh, never mind. Man, yeah, this is this is what
this is actually. What we need now is overtime.
That's probably our savior. I'm so torn overtime for our
pickups or not overtime so I can go to bed.
Which one do I want? More Bill Bill Barnwell's tweet
I'm not usually fazed by low quality football, but calling a
run on 1st and 30 might do it. That's a great tweet, man.
That's fantastic. It's like, the thing about the
NFL, it's so interesting is I feel like I get to usually in
May or June. I'm like, I don't know, it
doesn't seem like we have any total totally like, incompetent
franchise. Like those idiots last year are
gone now. And like, everyone's at least OK
And now I'm like, God damn it, you know, there's several
franchises and we already talked about Arthur Smith, but there's,
you know, Josh McDaniels loses the locker room immediately.
And next year we're going to feel the same way, right?
It's like now. Now it's like they got replaced
by decent coaches, and then new coaches will reveal themselves
as donkeys. Happens every year.
Yeah, this is, this is the question on everyone's mind.
Kyler Murray back this week. Call of Duty's dropping at
midnight tonight. It's terrible.
Timing it is it is just audit like it's it's such like a hack
Kyler Murray storyline at this point but it is beautiful that
it's happening. It's.
So good, it's almost like to honor him.
It's almost like in honor of him, though.
Yeah, it's like, here's the thing though, Does Kyler need
what? What?
What would he be doing otherwise?
You want him to watch film of Arthur Smith's team?
Nah, he's good. Let him play.
Fucking Call of Duty. Doesn't fucking matter.
He must play a lot of Call of Duty, though.
I don't blame him. Live your life, bud.
I. Blame him a little.
He's playing, playing as much as it seems like he might be.
Seems like getting in the way some stuff.
Save the Save the splash zone targets for Pack Brain, Let
fucking Kyler Murray play Call of Duty.
I mean, I like video games too, man.
Do you? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I I like video games so much. I don't have a system right now.
Yeah, that's what I'm. Calling.
You out on? I didn't.
I've never. You've never struck me as a
video game, dude. No, I like them, but I like the
I like the big, like open world games that like you just like
get lost in forever. You like to drop a bean and just
get fucking lost in an immersive experience.
How was Joshua true, by the way? It was nice.
Yeah. Rock climbed for the first time.
I've done like some ropes, course stuff, but never really.
Yeah, it was sweet. Dude, did you like the, the and
everything? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Or. Did you just like fucking great
climb? No, no, no.
I was up because you're up pretty high and it was like a
legit. I think it was probably it was
like pretty easy because the hand holds are like really nice,
you know, like there's like the rock there's.
Whatever I It's granite or something, right?
But the that particular face has like plenty of places where you
can find a really good grip and that makes it like a fairly easy
climb. But like it's like pretty flat.
And at the end, to get to the top, you have to like there's a
crack, and you have to jam your foot into the crack, like
sideways, like you have to like get your foot up and like.
Jam it in. And then get your other foot up
and now you're like Spread Eagle and then you're like.
You got to, like, hoist up while you're jammed into the wall.
And then you got to, like scramble over and like you like
you kiss the carabiners is like, I I made it.
So yeah. But I'm like the like the I was
here and the carabiners were like here.
And I was just like, I don't know how the fuck I'm going to
kiss these carabiners. I'll blow a kiss.
I'll blow a kiss, Yeah. At one point, like did the tap
and like tapped them and I was like.
Fuck that. Like, I got all the way up here.
Like, I got to scramble up. So I like, got, you know, and
I'm like, I'm literally going to fall.
But it doesn't matter if you fall because, like, it doesn't
matter realistically. But you're still like, I don't
want to fucking fall off this wall.
So Britney, like, scrambled up. I was.
I've never seen anything more nimble in my life.
She was just like Got. All the way up it.
Was awesome. Oh man, would you say she'd
never done it either? She loved it.
Was your focus lacking because you dropped a bean?
Yeah, well, yeah, I mean, none of this happened, but, you know,
it was. Immersive.
I've never even been to about Vesuvius.
All of a sudden we like smash cut to Pat in his living room
with AVR headset on and he's like we just out of reach, man.
Yeah, man. That's pretty good.
Was it like a group thing? Like did you?
Yeah. OK.
Yeah, so Britney's friends, who when we moved out here, we threw
some of Britney's friends, a couple that moved out here like
a year ago, they met a group out here and two couples lived in
the house that we're now renting.
And so, so through this group is how we found the place that
we're staying in and they invited us out to Joshua Tree
and it was awesome. We like, we stayed in Airbnb
because we just like did like a couple nights, but they were out
there like camping from like Wednesday through Sunday and
they do it like every year. So it was pretty sweet.
Let's look at the stars. Jupiter was out, took out the
binoculars. You could see the Jupiter's
moons and stuff. Pretty cool.
Nice dude. That's awesome, Yeah.
They just run it on 2nd and 10. We need a, we need a punt.
So did Comet goal over? I wanted to ask you if.
I was just going to pull that up.
So Comet went over. DJ Moore and Beijing, though,
are still a ways off. Yeah.
Beijing's I mean, we we needed a Panther score there.
That's why that fucking field goal was so.
Amazing. There was a deep shot, Beijing
to more and he just threw it out of bounds.
So that was the play. Brandon just burned me so good.
Pat always starts as a mage but ends up a stealth Archer, which
is so fucking true. I don't.
Know if you get that reference, you're a fucking nerd.
This is why I don't buy the games, Pete.
I'm sick of being a stealth Archer every time.
What the fuck does that mean? No, because and a lot of these
games, if you go the magic route, you will be very powerful
in the end, but it's hard and you got to eat shit.
But it's just Dungeon Dragons. No, it's not Dungeon Dragons.
It's like your your Skyrims of the world, Skyrim.
OK, yeah, it's more fun to sneak around and you fucking yeah, no
one cares. Yeah, you're right.
Follow the thread. I'm sorry.
It's more interesting in this game.
I I would say I genuinely was trying to figure out what for
the football state for the mage in Skyrim talk.
This is the opposite of Robert Mays.
I would Kevin the other the other games that are good.
Just think we can get, we can get the fucking walkthrough out
on a Wednesday if Pat wasn't just playing fucking video games
all. That's.
What I'm telling you. I don't play video games now.
That's why the Walker exists. You sure know a lot about these
video games for not playing them.
I sure do. I mean, people, when Skyrim came
out, 'cause it's it's about 15 years ago.
I will not Google that. That's that's.
AII played more video games during the season than off the
season, 'cause I get done writing and I just like I need
to just go veg for a little bit, like my brain needs to not work.
So I've been playing the Zelda game.
I think I told you guys this a few weeks back.
But the tears of the Kingdom, the new Zelda game?
What are you fucking nerd? Yeah, I was just talking about
fucking mages and something or other.
I don't know what the. Fuck you were talking about.
What are you, a fucking nerd? This is like, I love that we
have big offseason energy right now.
This feels like a February. Like oh God it is shit chasing.
You're the heart of the season. But I mean.
Bears that the Panthers have reached so.
Yes. We don't have top shot brain
anymore. We have fucking Skyrim mage
brain. Hey, the chat is with me.
The chat is with me on Skyrim, dude.
Elder Scrolls is legit, You don't know that.
But that is also Skyrim, that that's a support for Skyrim.
Elder Scrolls Oblivion, Cause Oblivion was good.
Morrowind was the first game that was a high school game and
that game, these are not words, doesn't even think Morrowind.
So these games exist in like a gigantic universe that they just
made-up and that each game takes place in a country within that
universe that is also massive. And then you just like explore
the country and people are like, hey.
Man, there's a dragon over there.
You gotta fucking help. And then you're like.
You know what I need to bring? I need more a winning from him.
Is there a? Mordor in this land, because no,
it's I feel like you're describing middle.
It's it's like, it's like it's like Tolkien stuff, but it's a
different world, my friends. This man is a millionaire, it
doesn't seem. It's magical.
Red Dead Redemption is a great take.
It is no that Red Dead Redemption is the same style of
game. It's it's open world sandbox.
You do what you want. I like I like Ryan's take.
Both Skyrim and the new Zelda are awesome.
Pete is the odd man out there. Enjoy working out Pete.
Enjoy having a life and doing and doing things the better
yourself. Hope you're doing good with your
family. Hey guys, we got a new mystery
here. What's that?
Where is this? Is this the Nathan Yankee, or is
this just an impostor, Nathan? Yankee, it's a.
Different. There's two different Nathan.
Oh no dude, I think I got. Yankee's side of.
Here Elon all. Right.
No, the other Nathan Yankee has an H This guy's been in the
matches. I was going to say fucking go
back to Snapchats. Dude.
I'm still psyched. I got this Nathan Yankee 'cause
he's 'cause he's also well, I want to ask him, Are you Yankee?
Not him. Are you Janky?
That's exactly what the real Nathan Yankee who's supposed to
be charting Snap. Counts.
Would say if he was in our chat, that's exactly what he would
say. But why would he?
Why would he take the H out of his name?
To to disguise him? Throw us off the set, but still
get the. Cloud One letter.
Plausible deniability when the PFF Overlord.
Oh my God, did they not get that on 3rd and one?
They're going to punt now. They just ran it straight ahead,
didn't get it and are going to punt because they're there's no
way they're going. For it dude.
This is the Bryce Young Tush push right here.
Here it comes. Maybe that's maybe that's going
to punt it, dude, he's going to punt it.
They got their time out, so there's 5 minutes left.
He's going to punt it. Dude, look at this guy.
No. No.
Oh, he's going for it.
Let's. Go.
Thank you, Frank Reich. It's not the Panthers, it's our
Panthers. This is huge.
This is push, push brace. Your push, push, push is a
little tushy. What is?
Oh my God, what they just fake? Oh my God, that was a disaster.
He. Almost swerved out of it.
He. Right, Yeah.
Right down to holding the ball in his right hand.
Why don't I switch that forward and reach it across?
That was a disaster. Oh my God.
What was this? He was so.
Easy, and he goes. Reach the ball across.
What are you doing? Holding it in your right hand?
That's that's a great way to get yourself overturned on review.
You might not have got it like that's so bad.
Holy. Shit.
Everything is fine. It worked.
Yeah, I'm with you. Results of a process pushing
little poochie was so good. Fake the fake.
No, no fake feeling. That was hidden.
The fake. He goes with a fake, and Miles
Sanders is just gone. Flats.
I don't know when we're going to redo the ship chasing intro, but
I want Push's little tushy in there.
He's got to make it. Got to make it.
Boy acting to a ghost, the Chad said.
Oh God, I'm not going to allow. This the Duke just said his,
like, first catch in 19 weeks. Hey, Nerd.
No. Oh.
Come on, This is why you can't get excited about Hayden Hurst.
Because the second you. Build him up.
He knocks you right from the back.
There's no way your best ball team is viable.
If one catch for seven yards, that's his full line on your
game. Is going to help your best ball
back. You could have the nuts.
And Hayden Hurst, I mean, it's possible.
If you have Eddie. Hayden, Hurst, It's because you
were drafting the shit out of Bryce Young.
It's true. There was no other reason to
take Hayden Hearst. No, there was not no Hayden
Hearst was the subject of those. Like, why take this guy when you
can get Hayden Hearst in the last round?
No, not for I I he was. But he shouldn't have.
Been there he is. Feeling.
There he is. That's the main of the hour.
Six right there, right, 661. More and Cuba's Cuba's four
fantasy points off. OK, that's doable.
I love that Dylan's at six for 42 'cause I made a very specific
argument that, like, this is what his line could be.
So I'm glad that it like I didn't sound like an idiot,
basically. So Brittany made chili, and my
parents are here and her cousins here, And to have to order Taco
Bell and have it arrive and explain why I'm even talking
about Stanford chili, yes, yeah, it'd be really would be quite
the bit fantastic. I mean if.
Cuba gets there. I almost feel like I just have
to. There's, I mean.
I would much. Rather than Julie.
Is this true? Oh my God, eighteen.
No way. And and some there were.
There were people on this panel who actually doubted it.
We won't name them. We won't name them.
I mean the the the attempts hit first.
So I think I would be. The important thing is there's
more Tommy Tremble. God, this guy.
Racking up, didn't we hit it? It's OK now.
We did. No, we did.
We did. Oh, we tied it.
We tied it. So now we need, dude.
So all we need is DJ more in this one.
Got overtime, guys, and it could be a fucking Taco Bell bonanza
around here. Oh my God, that's $1000 for a
DJ. More 13 yard catch.
We don't. Even necessarily need over.
Supreme Baby, we need a score. And ideally, it's taken from
Cuba. Cuba and OT.
Those are the the the operatives right now.
So a Cuba touchdown or a field goal, How is he?
I thought that was a thing. Why?
Why is he running Cleveland's routes?
That was fourth and two fourth and two.
Man, I don't trust them. They might punt.
They're such cowards. There's two minutes left in the
game. It's a 2 minute one.
I know. I'm aware of the situation.
That was a great, great comeback.
Great. I'm aware of the situation.
I don't know if you guys feel similar to me, but there's no
other team in football that I'd rather have to count on than the
Carolina Panthers in all these fourth down situations.
It really makes me feel great. Oh, it's so bad.
I'm going to get another beer. Yeah, I should probably switch
it off of the whiskey if we go to.
Overtime, I'll switch off the Whiskey Era tequila and go back
to it. Modella, I'm going to get a
beer. I'll be back.
All right, let's let's check out some of these fucking Co host
dudes. These guys even care about the
content. It's like they only care about
satisfying their own desires. Chuba 4 points off, Feeling one
reception off. Same for that first one.
DJ more. We need 18 more receiving yards.
God, this could be overtime. It'd just be a a boon for us.
It could be generational wealth if we get over.
Dude, a check about that generational wealth like Gretch
is gonna go wake up. They haven't even gone to bed
yet. You're going to.
Go read them a bedtime story and say sweeties.
No need to go to college. Generational wealth just came
via Chuba Hubbard. That's that's the bedtime story
you're going to tell them. I love it.
This is what I like to see. Can't spell Taco Bell without
OT. And it took me a second to Fact
Check that. Which tells me I've.
Had too much to watch. I was like, where's?
The oh Dude and Taco. Why?
Why haven't we been using that? Because you could say that about
almost any fucking. Phone call.
They all have O and T in it. Oh no.
No, no, Paul, no, no excuse. First of all, when Sean sends
this in, it's for $25. I'm not, and this is.
Canadian This is probably like, that's not even real money.
Yeah, 7 Paul. No.
Finally, we agree on something. Really.
He's A7 for you, Yeah. Yeah, he's going to have an
insane. He's a two because you have to
look at yourself in the mirror every night.
So Adam Thielen is going to be a fucking dust ball down the
stretch. But he got you there.
Yeah, but he got you there. Oh, my God.
Miles Sanders. Oh little in and out here.
We'll take it, man. We'll take.
It we will. We'll take it, but we can be
pissed about it. That was kind of sick though.
That was a cool little route. Look at this.
You want to see some ball? No one.
Watch this. Little.
Yeah, the the the lines on the screen.
I'll show you. Oh, little whip route.
Pretty good route. Pretty good route.
Wasn't really a whip, but it was fun.
He almost dropped it. Did you see that?
You see that little. Yeah.
You like, let it have it? Yeah.
Don't like that. It's all right if Miles Sanders
was playing here because when they get down in the red zone,
he'll be tired. You bring in Chewba, you get the
TD. Oh my, oh, why are you throwing
to Hayden Hurst so much? What yard line are they on?
They're like at the 50, so we need another first, Yeah, we
need another first for sure. I don't like this.
Offense in second and ten. I feel more comfortable when
they're first and 30, just the playbook really shrinks.
When it's second and 10 you never fucking.
You know, I go. I'll always laugh at you dumb
ass jokes. Dude, you never fucking stop
kidding me, man. That was good.
Come on the. Delivery we.
Need. Overtime we all deserve.
The delivery is perfect. Oh, good.
Chief is in. Oh oh black.
Oh, die for him. There is nothing more this
Panthers team loves more than Fourth and fucking long.
God damn it. 4th and long. They're just setting up the 4th
and long. Yeah, I mean, we all are.
It's it's a, it's a disease. This is where.
We're all at mythology. Chuba Hazard Chuba Hubbard's
girlfriend, Sarah Moore, is a former college volleyball player
from Alberta to Canada. The two have been dating since
2019, have been going strong ever since.
I'm surprised there's not a comment on how she was
mythology. Remember those?
Like that. Fucking like VH1 show they call
the time out for 3rd and 10. You need those to get the ball
back now you can't get. You need all three timeouts.
They're playing for overtime and so are we, Gretch.
But. They only have to do you
remember on being out when they can't call a timeout at 3rd and
skin there. Let me talk about the 8th one.
Do you remember the show where there the thing was called pop
up video and they would play music videos and they would put
little facts up on the screen? Yeah, yeah.
That is what mythology is for us.
Yeah, exactly. It's like it's always.
Yeah, it's you're like watching the oldies station at my in
Laws. And it's like Ringo Starr once
ate an ice cream cone with 9 scoops on it.
You're like, oh, wow, that's interesting.
That's a lot of scoops. Oh my God.
God damn my God. Can't believe they call the time
out for that at the almost throw a pick.
Yo, that's such a bad Rd. Dude, who is?
Yeah, What is the range? What are?
I might, I might honestly just take a a field goal bomb at this
point. I think that's OK.
Here we go. Oh my God.
What? How many yards?
Eddie Pinero for 59. He died, dude.
He nailed in. Oh, he's wage score.
So short. Who then nailed it?
I just. I nailed it.
Who's so short? I mean, Lou makes a good point.
That wasn't good from 53. My thought was like, if you're
going to kick this then on 3rd and 10 or on 2nd and 10 or
something, you should have ran and you should have tried to get
into better field goal range. But you're right, it didn't
matter because it wasn't even good from first 53.
Oh, I never said it was really bad there and.
The rip. The ref didn't even blink.
It was so short. It was so short.
Oh God. Let's chase some fucking
kickers. I wanted them to make it, man.
That's what it was. Holy shit.
Oh, it's a little torch. And right.
Just that he didn't. Know, right?
Yeah, good. Lord.
Wow. That's is I thought for a split
second, Pat was like 2 seconds ahead of me and he actually
nailed it. And as Pat was saying, I'm
watching the ball just fucking die in the air.
I'm like, really? This thing must just barely
fucking Crest the goal post. I thought there was so much more
power behind that kid than there was.
Man. Oh my God.
Oh. Dude, this is so frustrating.
They're going to have a They're going to.
I mean, oh man, 126, you really badly need this third time out
to potentially get into another field goal situation.
Now you're going to be in a way, worse spot.
This drive has probably Bryce Young know which defender to
throw it to. If I.
Can I point out we have an actual sweat?
For $1000 we need DJ Moore to get 20 more to see to get not a
sweat. Must they get the fuel goal?
Yeah, we need. We need the sound of sweat.
We're aligned to get the fuel goal.
Just hear me out. Terrace, Marshall, Lower Adam,
Thielen. Higher, Bryce Young.
Higher Chuba, Higher. If DJ Moore, we should have done
a A bear's Under on that and lower.
That was just terrible. I I I wanted more.
DDJ More screen pass to the house, dude.
Top of the screen. 98 yards. So we need, we need to get.
We need the Panthers against Carolina in week 1098.
Yards to the fucking house in Carolina in Week 10.
Find him. No, dude, we don't want the
first down. That's we lose.
Well, I wanted it to DJ more. That was the game Our our only
hope was that a feel and catch in in like 3 garbage Time.
Chuba or just wanna Chuba. Does the Ronald Jones song go
against Carolina in Week 10? Isn't this against Carolina in
Week 10? Yeah.
We'll find out 'cause it'll be 98 yards to the fucking Carolina
in Week 10. In Week 10, Yeah, Wow.
All right, In honor of this terrible game, let's at least
celebrate when Carolina in Week 10 was fun.
I'm not happy No Taco Bell for anyone.
Know what though we kept we we kept all of our positions
smaller this this week. Pat doesn't have to explain to
his family that he ordered Taco Bell with his wife slaved over
chili all day. Like while they're here.
Like she made chili in literally in a crockpot all day.
And then I ordered Taco Bell. It's incredibly rude.
Like, just so deeply rude. But I was just thinking, it'd be
hilarious if you ordered a bunch of bean and cheese burritos and
like, scraped the bean and cheese into a bowl.
It discarded tortillas. It's solidarity with everyone
else, eating just. Right here with you guys, sure
is. Delicious, man, Wish I could eat
that chili that looks better. Got to ring the bell.
Oh my God, the Bears can't even execute kneel downs.
They're getting false starts on kneel downs.
What is happening? Fuck.
Oh God, we bet actual dollars on this football game.
Real money. No reports of Rojo in a
relationship. It's nice to have.
Someone still working three hours for this game?
Yeah, Pat's really the one down bad.
Gotta go hang out with his family after this, luckily for
some of us. Family has been asleep for the
past three hours. All right.
Any final words? No.
All right, let's can I find the
right Rojo clip? There's like 19 in here.
There's a Leviska. Where's the.
Rojo we need Pat's song about Rojo is what we need.
Yeah, actually I should try to find.
That's probably in your. That's probably in the
randomizer thing, right? Is it?
Yeah. Let me go look.
Is it over? Here Levisca Hyperiole Redstone
Randomizer intro. No, I cashed a few dollars after
the kneel down. At least somebody wants
something, man. If everyone just holds on for
one SEC, I'll upload the clip. PLO 2 POPL is not going to be
able to afford a Contract Supreme, but enjoy that cheesy
roll up those two dollars. I I only have it in vertical,
but this is how we're going out. Let me get this.
Oh yeah, let's do it. Thanks for hanging out in the
worst game ever. Yeah, one SEC.
Don't don't say bye yet. It's going to take about another
15 seconds to upload. This is how the sausage gets
made. It's been real David Bell clip,
says the guy who did the David Bell clip, it has no reason to
be playing right now. But Kevin's like I made that
clip I want you to talk about. All right.
Well done. Process, process, process.
Trust the processing. All right.
Pat must grab his guitar and play an original song and sing
about why Rojo is such a great RVA little ode.
To Ronald Jones Rojo, we know you're getting cut, but don't
let that shut the door. You still got that rushing floor
haters. Oh, they're.
Gonna hate, but we'll never forget.