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What's going on with that? They've changed the overtime
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This time I was not ready for that open.
This is week 3 of the new open. I was listening for the other
one and Oh yeah, right. So no, Jacob today, Davis, you
couldn't get rebar to sit in with us.
He's on, he's on family vacation, man, he was, he was
just stopping. It was one of those things like
I, I told Rich I was like, if you didn't reach out to me, no
chance. Just if I know my, I don't leave
the house, man. So, so getting out, getting out
to dinner, I mean, that was, I was, I was glad.
I was glad to have done it. But you know, was was not was
not my idea. I didn't see any golf clubs in
that picture of the two of you, by the way.
Reebs. Reebs does not golf.
Yeah, I was telling him. I was telling him like Rotopat
lives in Saint Louis. Like Rotopat, you know, he's
probably 20 minutes from me. Rotopat doesn't golf.
So I'm like. What are we going to do, man?
You golf. I got we could go and hang out,
right? But if you don't golf, what are
you going to do? Go get a bite, you know, And I
don't drink. I don't drink.
So that's the other thing. That takes a big You don't golf,
you golf. Yes.
Yeah, exactly, exactly. But what are you doing when when
people reach out, I'm I'm more than happy to to meet and and do
all that. Stuff, but like when people
reach out to Davis, he just pulls up in a golf cart.
What's up? Dude, are you trying to go golf
even? Well, it's like, you know, all
my buddies from high school and college and stuff, like I would
say 85% of the time I've spent with my friends since graduating
college has been on a golf course.
Wow. Probably.
How many rounds a year is that? Well, I live in Saint Louis,
right? So all my friends from college
and high school live in Kansas City.
So when we go. What's the difference?
What are we going to do? Well, it's a 3.
It's a 3 hour, 3 hour trek. It's like, oh, what are we going
to do? We're we're going to go golf.
OK, but now there's a weather difference.
I thought that's where you were going, but how many?
No, no weather difference. Really, how many rounds a year
like do you really play? I'd probably.
Put about 20 rounds a year. OK, so it's like strictly
social? I mean, I play a lot by myself
too. I go to the range by myself.
I go. I go to the.
I go to the range by myself. Hey, we're just trying to piece
this together like. How how I I am too.
Are you a professional golfer? What's, what's 20 rounds a year?
I mean, I, I, I live in Western New York, which is worse weather
than yours, of course. And I played 90.
I posted 90 in a year, which we only get to do between like
April 1st and October because they don't let you play.
The winter months just sort of do not count.
So it was 90 rounds a year plus Monday scrambles every week
through my radio station. That was like, you know.
All the time. Let me try and let me try and
highlight this a little bit differently.
When you don't drink, because the normal thing that a group of
guys would go out and do is they'd go to the bar, right?
Have some drinks, do whatever. So I don't drink.
It's just not that, like I'll go to the bar, I'll do whatever.
Not that fun for me. So my thing is like we can go
golf, we'll be outside, we'll chat, we'll catch up.
But I'm not going to reach out to you and be like, hey man, you
want to go on a two man dinner excursion?
Like not that I won't do it. Like if Rotopat texted me and
was like, hey man, you want to go get a bite?
I'd be like, sure, but I'm not going to reach out.
Be like, hey man, you want to go to this?
I've been, I heard about this new restaurant.
It's great. They have to go to you.
They're going to try it out. Yeah, you know, and, and what
you. Know it is it is it is what?
It is. I'm not even, I'm not even
defending this as like the optimal way of being.
It's just. That's just how.
I am, and you know yourself. Yes, exactly.
No, I I totally get it. We have whose fault is it odds
in the in the chat. I did want to make sure we hit
before we get started. Now the chat thinks that I'm the
heavy favorite to have been Whose Fault is it for us being
late? Davis at plus 190.
I guess because it's too early to golf.
If this was a afternoon show, Dave Davis could be getting back
from the Lynx. Nighttime forget it.
Nighttime forget. It nighttime.
Forget it. Nighttime.
By night time I mean 530 by the way, not even night.
Time Davis might be like a heavy favorite because you just went
to bed. There's just no show.
Yeah. It's like, oh, we're we're doing
it. We're doing a show at 8:00 PM.
Yeah, right, dude. Davis isn't.
Davis already has his phone locked up in in his his night
box, you know, so he gets so the blue light isn't getting in his
face, like. Yeah, you know who's 5?
Who's not? 5 minutes late, Not Davis's
fault. Five hours late?
That's Davis fault. You know Pete should be listed
here. True.
Well, he's not on the show. He's not on the show, but like
usually there's a nine. 50 yeah, that's kind of my fault that I
would say. Exchange, right?
You know, like what's? Yeah, but that's on me.
Yeah. You can't blame Pete for the
late code when I requested the code, right?
I mean, he's he's very good about giving me the code right
away if he wouldn't, if he. Oh, that's true on that.
That's kind. Of that's true because you ask
and then he's right there like less than a minute later.
If not, I mean we'd be in big trouble.
We can't. We can't.
Yeah, you can't fly without. Them but I what I'm curious
about is why your odds are so high like you're you're you said
before the show that actually you.
This man is a stickler for time. I think that's one thing we know
about show. That's right.
Also, my age gives me a little bit of more credit than I
probably deserve for like sort of being responsible, right?
I mean, if you look around, I'm in a bar.
I got a golden tea machine back here.
I mean, you should see the bat side of the it's a mess.
So probably a little bit more credit than I deserve for that.
I mean, that's definitely you wouldn't I, I think I would bet
me in this because otherwise. Well, I think I'd bet you too.
I mean, that's. 1800s yeah, it's massive, yeah.
That you would lose. It was my fault, but I still
think. But you got you got you got it
in good though. It's like all of our, it's like
all of our main event teams, like we're going to look back
and be like, dude, we were the only team with Derrick Henry and
Justin Jefferson. We got it in good.
We didn't win, but we did. The best batch, the best bets
I've ever made. All lost.
I mean, there's there's no doubt about that.
They were all losers. OK, so we're going to get news
on rule change. It's coming down now like we've
got new overtime rules, which I don't know.
I loved. Speaking of Roto Pat, I loved
him on on. It was the kickoff.
Just like the NFL is in a crisis or what did he say?
I'm, I'm messing it up. Oh yeah, it'd.
Have a nervous breakdown over? The nervous breakdown. 35 yard
line, is that happening 35? I don't know that one yet.
I know he wanted, he really wanted credit for that line.
So I I want to make sure to give him some on this.
But they keep changing the kickoff, they keep changing the
overtime. So now I know this one today and
we're having this all come down as we're speaking.
Each team will get the ball at least once in regular season
overtime, like the playoffs, but it's still only going to be 10
minutes. To push officially not banned.
I mean, OK, so just like think about it, how do you even
legislate this? Is it just that anytime you push
your teammate it's illegal? Because that that seems very
hard to legislate also. In a game, because what
happened, you have running backs run up the middle, right And
they're kind of they get through the the line, they get through
like most of the linebackers. But then there's kind of a group
of people and then a big lineman comes in and like grabs the
running back and, and moves them forward another three hours.
Is that would that be illegal? Would that be a push?
This particular proposal this year was only for quarterback
sneaks. So I mean, it's still the right
question. Like how do you really look?
Just what we want is more every year, no matter what they do,
they give us more reason for scrutiny.
You know, like we need 18 more cameras.
Was there an actual push here? Was there just?
Yeah, I, I, I, I The other thing about the tush push is that it's
making teams go for it more. You're getting in the Tucker
craft push, push, you know, Andrews, Andrews, your teams are
thinking about how can we get that 4th and short?
And I love that. That's great.
I want teams to be going for it more and converting.
That's that's more offense, That's that's less field goals,
that's less punts. Like I think it's great for the
game. I know the Eagles are way better
at it than everybody else. And look, I mean, when they had
the ball against Washington and Washington's jumping off sides
and they knew they were dead, that was kind of awful to watch.
You're like what? What was more fish flop around
or something? The Washington jumping offsides
and then saying we're going to award a score if you do this one
more time or the bills getting about two inches of positive
yardage every time they ran the the toshibush.
My my Galaxy brain was the reason why the Bills were trying
to be one of the teams legislating away is just to take
it away from McDermott and and and DOC, whose name I'm freaking
out Josh. Is a really strong lower body.
Well, it's been an interesting debate here.
Like they always go left. It was pointed out on one of
these Romo headed or Chris Jones might have pointed out like they
always go left on that play, which there's so many things.
Why do I need the push part? Why can't I just have 6 foot 5?
Josh Allen 600 LB Leg press Jalen Hurts quarterback Sneak
versus. That's the thing, I think in a
way it would have made the Eagles advantage.
Bigger, bigger, better. Yeah, yeah, because he's.
So good at it. No one can replicate it at all.
Those two teams have run it over a span of years, more than the
rest of the league combined. McDermott.
Now you're just like, it's the same play.
You just don't push him, you know?
Right. Same play the quarterback
sneak's not going away. I have not been able to figure
out exactly what Mcdermott's point is.
Like, he's talked about injuries and there's no proof of that.
There's no proof he's he's he's being a sore loser.
Yeah. I don't know, I mean players.
That's what it is. It's a, oh, it's a terrible
play. People get hurt all the time.
Well, no one's ever been hurt, Sean.
Is that? There there are players who will
talk about like how how the bottom of the pile stuff, right,
like Jason Kelsey talked about injuries and, you know, Deion
Dawkins and Buffaloes like how bad it is on those plays.
But I just like, what's the difference between quantifiably
the the push push sneak versus the non push push sneak Pat.
So have you seen then that it's officially not banned?
I've. Seen I'm just trusting the chat
as 100% accurate. Yeah, and that and that's never
gone wrong before. And it's never gone wrong.
Usually if you trust the chat, someone else in the chat will
say that guy's messing with you, It's April Fool's, why are you
just pulling up comments and sending their facts?
But no one's done that yet. So I think, I think he was real.
I don't I don't think it's in yet the overtime rule is they're
expanding replay, which you know, of course, you know, I
hate it, but that's how it always happens more now now
officials. So they're going to be able to
have replay assist. They call it Remember the face
mask in the end zone on darn old at the.
Reds. So they're, they're opening that
up. They say, I'll tell you why I
don't they, they say that they can't throw a flag from the
booth, which I just refuse to believe.
Of course they can. They're just not going to tell
us. There's just no transparency
with it. And that that slope we've been
on for years with replay just, you know, scares me.
I don't know if that's the Buffalo in me like the small
market, we never win stuff, but I just.
Get the call right, You know, like.
What, like Kansas City, is a big media market?
I'm not like. Like Caleb?
You're breaking up. You're breaking up.
I didn't hear it. I didn't.
Famously if. You what happened?
What does Mike? Well, if if you can't, you know,
if you can't win over that Kansas City media market, it's
just impossible to really get anywhere in the economy.
Well, I'm, I'm more, I'm older than 5, so it's been more than
Kansas City in our way over the years, but OK, Yeah, sure,
you're right. Jonathan Jones reporting the
original overtime proposal was for 15 minutes, but the league
itself is concerned about the longer overtimes bleeding into
the next window of games. Yeah, so they're keeping it a
10. The broadcast partners.
That's always what that. Yeah.
That's always what the overtime thing is it's about.
It's about we want to get you to the next kickoff, even though
there are going to be 3 games at 4:25 and what two of them are
Arizona and the Raiders. We still have to make sure to
get we still have to get you to that game on time.
Yeah. Well, there really haven't been
more ties. I thought that would happen from
from that originally not hasn't really happened yet.
So. There should just be ties.
We like it. That should be that should be
more active. It should incentivize teams to
try and win more in the the game in in regulation.
It should be it should function. It should function the same way
as soccer where if it's tied to someone.
Who does playoff basketball content?
I I don't want ties, man. I don't need to like, figure out
another tiebreaker level of nonsense.
No, but no. Think about it.
Think about it that that would incentivize you to to like in
Week 11, you're drafting the teams that you know are smart.
Like you're like, oh, we want, we're fading the Bengals because
no one's going to play for a tie more than Zach Taylor.
You know we're. We're fading invading the
Broncos because Sean Payton is going to be happy to leave with
1717, you know, but you're like, oh, I don't know, the Seahawks
are are really good. So we're we're going to do that.
The Seahawks, No, I don't know. No, no, no, they they, they just
brought in Sam Darnold and. Who?
Is the get rid of DK Metcalf?
Who actually is the quintessential Gopher 2 Go for
it. The opposite of what you're
saying, Davis, right now as a head coach in the NFL.
Jim, Jim Harbaugh is actually the GOAT.
Really. I mean, he, he, they missed the
playoffs. Was that three years ago?
Because they just kept going for two.
John Harbaugh. I.
Baltimore. Hand to God, I could never tell
you which one is, which is why I always they long time listeners
will know that I refer to both of them just as Harbaugh.
Because I. Never know.
I never know which one. You mean the Ravens?
You mean? The Ravens, Ravens Harbaugh got
a rash of shit. Remember the year Lamar got hurt
and they had, you know, Anthony Brown and and the Tyler Hunt?
The quarter packing. They just kept going for two at
the end and it it like didn't I want to say it didn't work twice
or three times that they lost him and Campbell.
Yeah, Dan Campbell's the answer, yeah.
Campbell's the answer. Yeah, that's right.
Campbell's the answer, yeah. Yeah, they had a game.
Sammy Watkins had a late touchdown in Pittsburgh, and
this is really. They went for two, so you really
did. That Dallas.
That's right. Yeah, Campbell.
Try to go from 2 from the seven yard line in a one point game.
You know, kickoffs to Pat, like now, if the touchback is the 35,
I don't know what that means for the playoff weeks, but it's
fewer yards, potentially fewer fantasy points.
Yeah. I mean, I, I think you'd take,
if your team, let's say you had the quarterback of the team and
you're like, where do you want them to start on this drive?
I'd be like the 50 like don't don't even mess with their own
field position, get them in other their field position right
away and then they'll go for it. Maybe you know that first first
down, if they don't get it, they'll go for it right.
So I don't think the idea that like we're going to lose yards
from this. I I don't really think so
they're trying to get more kickoffs.
So like maybe we would lose possessions because there'd
actually be some kickoff returns for touchdowns.
But I think that NFL teams will probably just let the other team
take the ball to 35. I don't think they're going to
want to risk a touchdown. The NFL is projecting, according
to Kevin Seifert from ESPN, projecting between a 60 to 70%
increase in returns this year. You guys know who the Bills
signed for this role potentially a couple of weeks ago?
Roll the clip. Type roll a clip.
Oh, Leviska Chennault. Yes.
Oh. Yes.
He'll he'll be. I'm into this rule change.
He'll be he'll be this year's he'll be this year's MBS got guy
who's M in the camp the. Whole No, he's he's slowly
becoming Cordero Patterson. You know, it's just it takes a
while to be Cordero Patterson. It took Cordero Patterson a
while. He was busted, you know,
completely out, out of, you know, any kind of meaningful
world for a. While Cordero Patterson should
try his absolute best to stick around for like 2 more years
because he will own a completely unbreakable set of records in
terms of kick return, yards, kick return, touchdowns, yards
per kick return. He will be like 8.
Like you know kids will be looking at NFL stats 100 years
ago and assume he had to have been the greatest player of all
time just based on how much better he was to kick returns
than everyone. Else.
And what was his problems? That nobody would ever throw the
ball exactly? They're going to be like this
guy was a a running back wide receiver who had 1000 yard
season and then teams just stopped giving him the ball.
I wonder what could have happened to have done that.
There was a Patriots Bills Monday night game here.
Derek Anderson started the game for the Bills when Allen was
injured as a rookie and Patterson was like their RB one
they just he was in the, you know, the backfield is handed
the pinned the ball all night. Maybe not that often, but that
was his role in that game. So that's happened.
Other than the Scott Fishbowl, is there any format where we
would actually consider who's returning kickoffs and do we
want to draft them because of it?
I I'm in a dynasty league where we get yards per kick in part 16
team dynasty league where you get.
It's always the double dip in DFS.
Yeah. Well, I think what it will be is
it'll be some of these 18th rounder guys or 20th rounder
guys like Cavante Turpin. You, you can add in, you know, I
don't know, two points over the course of the season in terms of
like kick return, touchdown, equity.
Cavante Turpin, is he this year's Rico Dowdle in that Like
a guy who we're just like, yeah, I mean, they'll find someone
else to be the number 2 wide receiver there.
I mean, they paid him never do they paid him $18 million right
now the Cowboys depth chart these are these are other names
that are listed after CD lamp let.
Me get. A pen, Jonathan Mingo, Ryan
Flournoy, Kelvin Harman, Paris Campbell, Jalen Cropper.
So I would I would say Cavante Turpin's floor right now is 35%
of the routes a carry and 1/2 per game ish, plus whatever
points you want to award him for kick returns.
Exciting exciting like that let's go save that for last
call. It could be a name that comes up
at the end of the show for our our ADP 200 or over picks.
No Jacob today he mentioned last week that he was going to be
traveling so sorry that we can't bring you him, but we'll give
him a chance to catch up in the game later.
We got some slides and we have a new, we have more art, new ADP,
chasing art and what is happening here, I'm not even
sure I know. Is this us as like True
Detective? I guess so.
I think, I think, I think Zach's gotten into the AI.
That's that's what I'm not even sure.
It's Davis that's missing. Or is Jacob missing?
No, this is Davis. The mustache.
The mustache is always the giveaway.
Are we sure he didn't just combine you 2?
It does seem it it looks this looks more like Jacob through
the through the eyes. That's what I'm seeing.
True face. Structure.
But I do see a lot of Davis in there, too.
And I'm Doc Brown as always. Pat's hair is spot on.
He. Actually got he guessed like how
unshaven I would be and guessed exactly correctly.
Feel like that's a Jacob face too.
I'm not criticizing, I'm discerning.
This does look a little bit like me and and Jacob combined as
well. Jacob is a part of all of us
here. Next, the Eric All Memorial
Trophy for most disingenuous tout guys.
That is a good question. So I think the move here for me
is that I just have not drafted many of the FFPC best balls so I
can get some ridiculous exposure on someone I'm not that into and
tout that. But I'll have to get back to you
on who who that would be. Man, I have AI have a new this.
This doesn't even really fit here, but I'm going to forget
about it if I don't mention it right now.
I have a new guy to add to the Patrick Laird, Dylan Lauby
Memorial White running back who is going to be an undrafted free
agent who I'm trying to get on the podcast.
Have you come across this guy? No, I have reached out.
I have reached out to him. Haven't heard back.
LAN. Very bullish.
That is very, very he. Had an open seat today.
LAN Larison, University of California Davis FCS crazy
productive, you know, receiver guy.
I reached out to the University of California Davis athletic
department seeing if I can get anything back about having him
on the show. But I am, that's my, that's my
new guy. Who, who I, who it, it
definitely is not even in the player pool in the big board,
but I, I'm, I'm looking for him to be a seventh round draft pick
this year. Now the race famously like don't
have a running back, but you're that Dylan's not he's out.
You know, I think Dylan is going to have a nice role as a career
core for a special team or I think he's going to be pretty
good. This kickoff role is big for him
then. Yes, on ironically big.
Big for him, yeah. LAN Larrison.
He's not. This is not on the Cowboys depth
chart. This is the UC Davis runner.
And I I I recently learned UC Davis FCS school, you know, you,
you would have, you would have assumed UC Davis you I don't
know, I assume the University of California like even push push
vote was tabled for later. Or later in the later this year?
Potentially, yes. OK.
Oh, I see. I see.
It need more time. I don't know who.
Who am I disingenuously touting? Maybe.
Honestly, maybe scataboo, because I've changed my mind so
many times. I was in, then I was out, now
I'm kind. Of I'm very genuinely touting
scataboo now I'm I'm in. Why?
What changed? Scataboo has like a lot of the
hallmarks of a player that we are into in the NFL is not, and
that always worked out when he when he didn't run at the
combine, I was like, kind of like, all right, jig is up.
We we've been exposed. We bet, yes.
Yeah, it's not happening. But in since the combine like it
is not I've not really seen people dropping him in a big
way. He's still, you will find him in
some top 50s, he's in some top 70s, he's in a bunch of top one
hundreds and then he runs A465 Bruegler tweets out.
This is what was expected. I personally, I think he had to
get below 47, but that was sort of the line and he he got below
the line. His jumps were awesome at the
combine. So if you look at something like
Ras, he's in the sevens. He's not because he he's big.
He jumped really well, which is a good sign of of lower body
explosiveness, obviously. And then his his forty time was
like below the, you know, drop dead.
You're not an NFL running back kind of cut off.
So now you know I'm still seeing. 40 time is like Zach
Moss, right? Yeah.
David Montgomery kind of I think was in that range, like it's
it's fine. It's not great.
But like that's not his game. And that's the thing about like
the 40 times that stuff is a lot of it.
They're like cross checking with what does this guy do?
Well? Like if you're a speedster, you
should be fast. If you're a short yardage king,
you know, grind out all the tough yards, catch passes, it's
less important. So he's I think going to be
drafted day 2. I feel pretty confident about
that now and he's still alive to be drafted round to.
So I just I'm I don't know, I'm like, man, this guy's like a big
three down back potentially his pass protection is kind of a
joke. That'll obviously be an impact
his role in his rookie season if you can't get that figured out.
But still, I mean, he can cat. He can be out there and catch
passes. I think he's a lot.
There's a lot of upside if he's installed, if he's brought in to
be like the 1A, there's a lot of upside.
This is scataboo, how I can't wait the the draft less than a
month. The thing I think I want to see
the most that I'm most excited for is how many running backs go
on day 2 like it. Is that going to be double
digits? Is the thirst for these guys in
this incredible class? Everybody tells you so you know
much that we'll see 10 running backs go rounds 2 and rounds 3,
round three. I talked to Ryan Fowler from the
Draft Network on WGR yesterday. He said yes.
He thought maybe between like picks 40 and 70 or maybe he said
somewhere in there that there could be like 10 guys just in
that it starts. It's a run just like in a
fantasy draft. I wonder if we'll see that or
instead the league decides the the class is so deep that it can
wait. There is going to be a run and
the question is when will, will the run start?
And I tend to think it probably start like the true run probably
is in the fourth round. I think like the, the early part
of yeah, the early part of the fourth round, we start to see
these running backs fly off. That would be my guess.
But I think it's, it's, it's like a it's floating and sort of
where the tide is. Like, you know, the, the, the
tide is kind of dictating where exactly you're going to find
this, this like cool spot of, of the running back run, if that
makes any sense. I think the, but I don't think
Scataboo's part of that. I think it's obviously Gentsy
and Hampton Henderson and Judkins and then Johnson and
Scataboo are kind of in their own tier.
And then and then I think Dylan Sampson is like a maybe 1/2 tier
up from the rest. Like where he isn't like 0% to
go second round and probably goes third round instead of 4th,
but then after him, that's when you could see a bunch of guys
going off like later in the third or in the 4th.
But my honestly, what I hope is that this consensus that we've
all reached on the steep running back class is just really off.
And there's a team that loves Devin Neil, there's a team that
loves DJ Gibbons. You know, there's a team that
loves RJ Harvey. And one of those guys goes way
earlier than expected. You know, maybe a team doesn't
have a fourth round pick or something and they're, you know,
or a third round pick they grab at the end of the second,
whatever it is. That could kind of shake things
up. But probably most likely
scenario is there's a big running back run in the fourth.
Davis, what do you think? I mean, I've changed my mind so
many times on this, like, it's this great running back class.
NFL teams love running backs. NFL teams are basically toddlers
with three minute attention spans.
And they just saw Derek Henry and sequel Barkley and Josh
Jacobs. All these guys change the league
like, oh, we we can't win if we have an elite running back.
And then I go, yeah, well, yeah, but if there's 17 good running
backs in the class, well, why would I take the one?
But teams, it's also like some teams have a good sense of
positional value and some teams don't, you know, it's like some
teams are like, well, we're just not going to take a run.
Like funnily enough, the Cowboys last year, everyone's like, oh,
they desperately need a running back.
Like they they got to do it. And then they don't, you know,
but if if just 15. Games.
If just like if half the they. Probably shouldn't have they
complete it correctly. It's the Lance thing that always
gets mentioned for Dallas, for example.
Because it could have been, it could have been Braylon Allen.
But if just half the teams in the NFL think that way, then,
yeah, some of these guys we think are like, oh, this guy's
going round too. Wouldn't, wouldn't be.
It would not be super surprising to me if the only guys who went
day one and day two were the big five guys and then one of
Scataboo, Harvey, you know, whoever.
And then there was a big run in the fourth.
Yeah, I I could definitely see that.
One thing I've been thinking about is that the whole like
running back draft capital argument.
I think it's kind of, it makes sense for it to swing back
towards G miss taking running backs higher than than you
should because the problem isn't that these running backs like
don't hit. I mean some of them are busts
obviously. But it's like the problem is
that when you even when you hit on a Jamere Gibbs, like Jamere
Gibbs is probably going to get a pretty solid extension and be
good through that extension, but he's not going to be great on a
on 1/3 contract, right? And and it's like the type of
player who you can get who can be like a franchise cornerstone
at tackle or, you know, defensive line.
You generally have to find the more premium positions in the
draft. Like they don't become available
in free agency. If they do, you have to pay an,
you know, extraordinary amount just to get them in the
building. So it's not about hit rate, it's
about access. Yeah.
It's about access to the premium positions.
And you decided to use one of your tickets to to get access to
a position that you really can't get otherwise on a, on a running
back that you can get access to every other round in the draft
and in free agency. So that's that's why you
shouldn't do it. But when you look back at like,
should I as AGM, be the guy who took Jameer Gibbs?
Actually, that seems pretty fun. Everyone's really excited about
Jameer Gibbs. Jameer Gibbs is awesome.
When you when someone goes back and rates my draft Class 2 years
after I took Jameer Gibbs, three years after I took him, I'm
going to look like a genius. So why?
Why not go ahead and take a guy who's really good at football?
I think isn't it it? Isn't it, though, kind of
amazing that it worked out even to the extent that it has with
Gibbs? I mean, he's been really good,
But with Montgomery, with the 12th overall pick, was it other
needs? I mean, it just seemed like such
a bad bet. And I want to be the GM that
picked Bucky Irving and gave him a chance instead, right?
I want, I want there to be 6 Bucky Irving's in this in this
draft where we we learned that lesson.
Your starter was mid, You're not really invested in him anyway.
That's one obstacle this year because so many veterans got
paid and were productive. You have less room, I guess for
a rookie. But the lesson should be, you
know, acknowledging Davis's toddler point.
The the lesson should be we can pick a running back on Saturday
and he's fair chance better than anybody else we have.
Yeah. Yeah, I, I just wonder, I wonder
if my, and I'm kind of hoping this but that teams will go,
this running back class is really good, but this guy's our
guy. This guy fits our scheme, you
know, and that that leads to because, you know, I don't think
these running backs should be going in the second and third
round, but I would, I still want them to so that we get a
clearer. Picture of how the teams.
Feel. Yeah.
It's like bad process. Thank you.
We think you know. We think, I mean, there have
been potholes in that area too. But yeah, well, I can't wait for
it. That's we had the first picture
with us and like, are we amalgams of different faces?
Is is there a little bit of Ben Gretch in that Eric Hall
picture, by the way, for anyone else?
That's just Eric. You're just saying Ben Gretz
looks like Eric Hall a little bit maybe.
I see it. I see it.
I'm forcing a little bit because I'm I'm asked to mention that
Ben is going to be on Thursday as a guest.
That's right with the. I'm out.
I'm out on Thursday, Ben. Ben replacing me.
All right. When does Sam jump in my chair
for one of these? I mean, I'm not going to be here
every week. That's got to.
That's got to be. I just, I just messaged him
yesterday and he said not in the foreseeable future.
He's, he's got a big, big project for, you know, the
fucking McKenzie Institute. Or right, right, he's a fucking
he's doing good works. Yeah.
All right, sadly sad to hear. Risers Jordan Mason, Stefan
Diggs, Naji Harris Pictured Russell Wilson, Kyle Williams,
receiver Washington State, Devante Adams and Travis Hunter.
Good mix of names here. All up 7.3 percent or more in
the last week. Davis, who jumps out for you
first? I mean, the, the surprising one
to me is Kyle Williams because it's basically like 3 dudes who
are are causing this, like Chris Sims and like, I don't know, I
think there I assume there's no, I think it's literally.
Chris Sims, Yeah. Well, it's like there are people
in the football Intelligencio who are agreeing with him.
They're like, oh, yeah, you know, I put on the film and he's
really good. And it's like, oh, man.
Kyle Williams is 21 years old at UNLV and got out produced by
Ricky White, who was 19 and is now not viewed as a draftable
prospect. So, like, what's going on here?
But what's Karine? What's the deal?
You you tell me. Is he clickable?
Is he not clickable? What?
What do you think? I think he's clickable.
We're looking for guys that are so like the first thing I saw
Sims, so Sims had him for anyone who missed it, had him wide
receiver 232, but he had. Called him, called him a day one
guy. Yeah, he put him with in the
same tier as Ted as the day one guy.
So that was obviously pretty shocking.
I went and I looked guy like mock draft database and he was
at like 120 or something, you know, So I'm kind of like
looking around where other people had him and it was like
he was in the 3-4 borderline. You know, he's right on that
bubble, the day 2 bubble. So it's not like he had a guy
that was generally considered, you know, a UDFA or something.
He had a guy that's like a borderline day two guy.
Now. He said he was around one guy.
Sims does not have any issues. What Sims does is he he like
goes in the lab and. Watches a bunch.
Of tape, he mainlines the film and then he comes out and says
what he thinks, which is kind of great because then we it's not
cut with anything. It's not there's no group thing
to it. It's not cut with anything.
It's going to lead to some divergent opinions, right?
'cause like one reason to get other people's opinions is
they'd be like you need to watch this game, right?
Or whatever or like, did you notice this?
Or you can kind of get pushed back on on track if you know,
you go off the rails, right? But I do think it tells us that
his tapes got to be pretty good in spots.
At least you know, there's some good tape and maybe that tapes
actually good enough to get him going And you know the third
round, right. If he goes in the third round,
we're going to be happy to have him in the 20th round.
If he goes in the fourth round, a good landing spot, we're not
going to be we're not going to be panicked.
And he always was probably going to go in the fourth round.
So to me he he becomes a a clickable guy.
Anybody else on here, Pat, for you?
You want to talk about Russell Wilson?
I guess I'll say like suddenly a, a week went by and I ended up
with six Russell Wilson teams, Enough neighbors, you know,
enough teams where I needed quarterback 3 in the last four
rounds. So I I probably did a little bit
to push that up. I I'm not drafting him.
I I think the odds that Russell Wilson is the Giants starting
quarterback in Week 17 are so low.
Are they OK? I mean, it's it's got to be
Jameis Winston. They got to try that out.
Or are you are you betting that they draft somebody?
I'm betting that if let's let's mean let me put it like this.
If they go into the season with Russell Wilson as the as the
clear answer and like the only other guy, it's like Russell
Wilson, Jameis Winston and like Dylan Gabriel, Russell Wilson is
still not going to be the starter at the end of the season
because everyone's getting fired.
Like Russell Wilson cannot captain the Giants the playoffs.
And that's the and if you decide that your season rests on
Russell Wilson, then you have to make, I mean, at least you have
to have a winning record. And he's not going to do that.
I know, you know, he had his run in Pittsburgh, but the wheels
came off for a reason. And this roster is way worse.
OK, so your bet is there's a coaching change mid season maybe
and they just sort of blow it up?
I could easily see that happening, easily see that it's
less likely to happen if let's say they, you know, if they
draft, they're probably at this point their best case scenario
is like trading back in a round one and getting like a Jackson
Dart is a guy they can kind of sell as a developmental guy and
then taking like a Travis Hunter or Abdul Carter at three,
whoever's there. But I mean, if Russ, if you if
it's like dude, Russell's not playing well and our only other
quarterback this season is Jameis.
Like it's just like, God, this is just so depressing like this,
let's just blow this up. You know, if you at least have
some hope in a first round quarterback or maybe early
second round quarterback, it's like a little different.
But then that guy's probably playing at the end of the season
instead of Russ. I just don't think I just have a
hard time. How does Russ get to Week 17?
I think James is more likely. How he gets to Week 17?
I mean, why did they sign both? Why did they sign Winston?
How does he get to Week 17? They're 7:00 and 8:00 entering,
you know, week 1617. And that's a game out.
Like, they're not so bad that they're dead and the NFC is weak
and it's their seven playoff teams and like, they're sort of
in it. Wilson never gets hurt.
So they're sort of keeping the whole thing afloat and maybe
trying eventually to pass it off as progress.
And I, I don't think they're, my bet is they're not in the rookie
game, you know, that they're not drafting one of these guys,
especially first two days, maybe somebody on Saturday.
You got to get, you got to get Jameis a mentor, so you got to
take Tyler Shock, you know? Honestly, they need to have they
what they needed to do. I'm dead serious.
John Marin needed to come in to Joe Shane's office.
He needed to to throw down the the PlayStation and say, all
right, Joe, fire up Madden and take me through this offseason.
Show me what you're going to do and how you're going to get this
team in a position that I can I can support you guys running
this this ship for another year. And watch him miss out on
Matthew Stafford, get embarrassed by Aaron Rodgers,
eventually settle for Jameis Winston and Russell Wilson
because they can't trade up for the quarterback.
They actually want it one and then just turn off the console
and fire him. Like this is a disaster already.
This is already the worst like that.
You could if you told Giants fans in December, like, hey,
here's how it's going to play out.
It should be like I'm going on a trip.
I'm sailing around the world. I'm not going to watch this
season is I? I don't know I I just have a
hard time seeing how this actually works.
I think Wilson can do what he did for Pittsburgh, which is
sort of keep it on the road. And if it's on the road, then if
you need a third quarterback, who else?
Who else am I supposed to take one of these rookies?
Is it more likely that Chuck is playing those late?
Maybe it is, maybe it. Is it is if if Chuck is Chuck,
it's the Chuck line or the mill row line.
It it's like it does not need to be dart.
It does not need to be Shudor Chuck will be starting at the
end of the year if if he's on this roster or Mill Row will be
starting at the end of the year if he's.
On Quinn or Quinn, yours or take your pick.
You. Yours.
I'm not as confident in him, but I could see it.
We're going to like learn a name.
You know, there's someone in the 2025 quarterback class.
I don't even 2025 NFL dot. Com Dylan Gabriel I actually
kind of like and. I hope, McCord hope.
Does get a shot. Kyle McCord, Great.
Great fit. Great, great fit.
Giants. Great.
Great, perfect Giants. Welcome to the Giants.
Curtis. State good enough for Russell
Wolf? I guess not.
Curtis Roar, Max, I get. You know what, Max Brosmer?
I'm I'm calling. That one now.
Max Brosmer. Baby.
Wow, I'm calling. I'm calling that one.
Riley Leonard, welcome to the Giants.
That is his name, right? Notre Dame.
Yeah, that is his name, Yeah. OK, Duke too, I think.
Quick thoughts on Diggs with New England.
I mean, that could be if he's this, is this.
Is Crane's part of the program? If you want digs.
So I, I jumped into drafts after the signing and I was like, I'm
gonna, I'm gonna take some digs. You know, I don't think I've
drafted him once. He goes every time I think about
digs, he goes right before on DraftKings.
He's like, I've seen him in go in like the fifth round.
It's crazy over there. The I think that he's kind of
rising past a point that I'm really comfortable with, reason
being the whole thing is he's going to get all the targets.
You know, he's target hog. So who cares?
He's a 32 year old coming off a torn ACL.
Well, the draft hasn't happened yet, you know, and we could have
like a pretty good wide receiver fall to them in round two.
We could be talking about, you know, them getting a Mechagooka
who could they could get Luther burden.
You know, they even if they get like a Jaden Higgins or
something, that's that hurts. You know, he's 32 years old.
He tore his ACL. I would like to know what I'm
getting into a little bit more now.
I, I suppose this price could rise from here if they don't
draft someone and you're like, oh, I missed out on digs.
But they have to though, they have they, they have to, they
really have to draft the receiver at at some point in the
top three rounds. They one of those guys has to be
a receiver. So I mean, Digs is going to be
maybe if he's healthy, he's going to be efficient.
It's going to be short, you know, it's going to be like just
almost like I'll just do your basic old slot receiver kind of
production. I would, I would think.
Is Polk dead already? I think so, yeah.
Oh yeah. Really.
OK. I mean, how do you not do that
Another another run one one year?
JJ Orthego Whiteside, you know, like there's there's these guys
who just Mingo, there's dudes who just like can't play.
And Hulk gave all the signs so that he can't play.
He checked all the boxes. He did check all the boxes of a
Jalen Regger. Yeah, Jalen Regger would be
another. One I couldn't get on the field
full time was awful when he was on the field.
Outproduced by guys in their 30s.
He's actually worse than Rhaegar.
He Rhaegar got a chance in in year 2.
He's worse than Quentin Johnston, like Quentin Johnson.
They're like, no, this is important that we give this guy
another shot. I think Polk, he's a, he's a
pretty big dog to be like a part of their plans in any way.
By the way, Holland's signing there.
So in Buffalo it was brought up like why didn't Hollands?
Why wasn't he re signed? And I think the the take away I
would make is that they wanted him more in a special teams role
because they're looking for special teams specialists, if
you will, with the kickoff stuff and everything.
And that's kind of how he what he's always been.
He ends up leading Buffalo in an MVP quarterback season with five
touchdown catches. But still, like, I think they
wanted him back. I'm guessing all that means New
England is telling him he's going to be on the field as a
receiver. Yeah, I mean he's I think he
holds down the the X spot, right Like that, that at least you.
Just like you do here. Yeah, yeah, blocks.
Blocks like you can trust him. He's not going to be fun and for
fantasy, but he just like helps fill out.
It's almost like, you know, you adding a veteran guard to the
receiver position. You know, it's like you just
just stability, like we'll find other guys to make plays, but
like you do the stuff you be where you're supposed to be
Block, you're supposed to block occasionally catch a touchdown.
But yeah, I mean, they need a, they need an injection of play
making in this receiving corps like.
Desperately Hunter by the. Way Hunter's the the dream for
for me. I mean, I, you know, although
the problem with that, they're so bad at tackle, like they're
so bad at tackle that Morgan Moses, who's, you know, the
injury, injury prone is like 34. He's they're like Patriots.
They're no longer concerned about like, well, we got right
tackle figured out. We got Morgan Moses.
That's a lock. So now we just need to find a
left tackle. Like you still desperately need
a right tackle, buddy. So what are you talking about?
Like, I don't know. It's it's they they should
probably be happy if it goes Ward, Carter, Hunter so that
they can like take the Campbell or Membu.
Yeah, like they organizationally, I mean, you're
probably happy with Hunter, but they're they're probably hoping
in their heart of hearts, like someone just taken before us so
that yeah, we could just take. It's like in a best ball draft
where yes, like you have way too much of a guy, but you know
you're not going to be able to not take him and you're actually
hoping you get sniped on on your.
Preferred it's. It is relatable any format just
like. Please do this so I don't have
to choose. Don't make me choose because I'm
going to choose wrong. I don't want to have to make
that decision. It comes down to Sanders, I
guess, you know, in terms of the Browns and the Giants.
And if they both pass on him, then I think the Patriots in
this scenario are are safe. True.
All right. I do think they would take
Hunter though, that there's a Connor saying they're going to
take a tackle. He's got a bias toward the O
line, Hunter, no matter what. I just don't.
You'd have to have the world's biggest bias, like a Jim
Harbaugh times 2 bias toward the O line.
I think to to pass on Travis Hunter.
That. Doesn't make sense.
Seeing the chat a a coach on a podcast that reminds me I had an
idea yesterday. I have this idea every year and
then I forget about it. So this morning the NFC coaches
are talking with the media at the owners meetings and my guy
from WGR, Sal Capaccio, he's down there.
He and I were talking yesterday. I'm like, what if day bowl
today, you know, the subject of the draft comes up.
He says if he's there, we're taking hunter at 3:00 and just
like leaves it at that just tells the media that's what
we're going to do. He might mean it, he might not.
It's April Fool's Day. He might mean it, he might not.
But what would I mean? Wouldn't we all just sort of
beast on that Everybody would just have so much fun with Was
he serious? You know, would he?
Was that for real? What was it?
And then you know you can get so.
True, we we wouldn't even we wouldn't even take him at his
word. Maybe, maybe not.
We we dig up all the Scott Barrett clips about coach speak
over the years and the index and everything like, well, is this
somebody that would tell you the truth?
It would just be the best if one coach decided, you know, screw
it, I'm just going to tell you meaning it or not meaning it.
This is what we're going to do. You know, any other topics you
guys want to talk about? It would be so great.
I think they want to limit the the fan reaction to them not
having a quarterback after day one to one night and then
hopefully take care of it the next day.
All right, Maybe not even that night.
Maybe not the best team for that example, but you know, still
like just bam, this is what we're doing.
Rabel, coach of the year, Stefanski's won the thing twice.
Come on, have some courage. This is if it comes to this
player, this is what we're doing.
What are we going to do, fire him?
We're taking a fire by Rabel for doing that.
They know he runs the show. This is actual click bait.
The people are accusing Sims of click bait.
This is true click bait. I'm going to tell you my draft
plan as long as you'll watch my content.
I'm going to say one thing. This is it.
This is what we're going to do. And then we sit around for a
month debating whether it's for real, it's serious.
Be the best. The the Broncos GM George Patton
at the owners meeting said yesterday.
We're we're taken aback, he said.
He said that which like I mean, obviously if your if your
backfield is audric estimate Tyler Beday and Jalil
McLaughlin, you you have no running.
Back, yeah, so. But would they?
I mean, it is nice to hear that. Would they take running back
three with that pick? I don't think they would with
with 20. I don't think they would running
back. What if?
What if Hampton's there? Then, well, they'd be running
back two. I mean, I guess you're Yeah.
If someone reached for Henderson and they got Hampton, they'd
take him for sure. But I don't think.
Who's the most Sean Payton running back in this class?
Probably Henderson. Henderson So it needs to be big
school, right? Saints Saints used to take guys
from big schools when Peyton was there needs to be a guy who can
catch passes. See, I I thought Benny what
Benny just said. Caleb Johnson feels like a very
because he he can catch passes. He did.
I mean, what? He had 39 reception, 29
receptions. Bad yards per out run, didn't
run any routes. I think he's kind of.
Pure the you know what? The you know what Iowa did,
which is very smart. It's the same thing that
Wisconsin did with Braylon Allen his final year.
They were like, oh, there's a chance you get drafted pretty
high. Let's just throw you the ball 20
times just to put it on tape. Yeah, I, I think.
They did for Caleb Johnson. He tends to like, like, he liked
Mark Ingram, he like, he like Chris Ivory.
He tends to like the big banger back.
But he started getting those guys like late.
So I could see him go on like Henderson, Damien Martinez.
Amy and Martinez. Yeah, You know, I was going
Damien Martinez. Yeah, both.
But but Henderson is I think the most Sean Payton early down
running back because he's he's a little little Camara, a little
Reggie Bush, you know, the explosive, slightly undersized
guy. So maybe it varies based.
On. Maybe it varies based on which
guy, but if Denver picks a running back at 2020, yeah,
where would you? Where does he rank?
Well, this is so is I was surprised that Hampton wasn't on
here because Michael Dugner has an article that's coming out
later this week on the running backs and looking he he's kind
of attacking it from how much of these rookies likely to rise or
fall after the draft. And his thesis on Hampton is
basically we're just anchored to a bad ADP.
And then he should be like a 2-3 turn pick now because his his
potential landing spots are just like so tilts to the upside.
I think if Hampton was on the the Broncos he would be like a
2-3 turn pick. Ahead of Reese Hall.
Yeah, he'd go ahead to Breece Hall.
Yeah. That's another thing, by the
way, Davis that came out from the meeting is Aaron Glenn
talking about using all three backs with Jets so.
Basically, Breece Hall's NFL coaches have never liked him as
much as we like him. That's right.
That that I don't think is true. I think Salah really liked him,
but Salah was his. Guy they gave freaking Dalvin
cook what? 18 Most thought that was
misunderstood, like he, Sala at the time said.
We, you know, this dude's coming off an ACL.
We got a plan for him. This is going to help us execute
that plan. And then that's exactly how it
played out. What was the game?
What was the game in Tennessee like Week 2 where they used
Braylon Allen for two touchdowns or something in that game?
Like they never leaned into it maybe.
Yeah, the. Following year, the following
year, last year, last year, yeah, they they went away from
him. Todd Downing was was Breece's
guy because I mean they, they get rid of Hackett and Todd
Downing comes in and it's like 90% Breece.
So there's some, there are clearly some of his coaches that
didn't that aren't that into him, but.
And they always were drafting other running backs, too.
You know, both both years, all right.
Yeah, although that might have been an Izzy to an extent.
I mean, they clearly did not like Izzy.
Hampton right now running back 15.
And by the way, on this topic, I think we agree, but I'll ask,
isn't Genti still like amazing value at the 1-2 turn right now?
I mean, come on, he's going to go somewhere and just he's going
to it's wheels up so. Yeah, by the way, on briefs and
maybe he's on the fallers, but I I do think he's a smash at the
3-4 turn. Yeah, yeah, I agree. 8080P right
now is 30. Actually, actually I don't agree
because of the pass catching stuff.
I think there, I think there's a chance he trends down, like he
might only have like 42 receptions or something.
I'm nervous. I think Aaron Glenn, I I believe
him when he says Isaiah Davis, you know, Alan, he wants to use
all three and it's running back. I mean, I mean, Hall is probably
the starter, but I don't love the outlook there for.
Him Hall is going to. Snaps snaps here.
Hall's going to absolutely dust Isaiah Davis in any kind of
legitimate competition. Yeah, but I don't know if he's
going to absolutely dust Braylon Allen in any type of that, then
that's. The difference because he looks
really good. Yeah.
But his like, if you look at any metrics, it's like, this was
bad. He's the reverse Josh Jacobs.
Every time I watch Josh Jacobs, I'm like, this guy's stuck in
quicksand. And then like it's like actually
I was like 8 rush yards ever expected.
And he's awesome. You're like what?
Yeah. Allen's the reverse.
I'm like what? A run Like he left 5 yards on
the table. Davis clarify that what this is
the difference between you 2. I really, I just, I basically am
like, I don't care what the numbers say.
Braylon Allen is really good and, and Crane's like, oh man,
he's not that good. Yep.
Crane's and Crane's probably right, but I don't care that as
that, that sign, that sign doesn't bother me because I
can't read. It's it's my defense.
There the difference in philosophy.
All right, Allen had. Here are the running backs with
worst yards rush had ever expected last year than Allen.
Alexander, Madison, Devon A Chan, Javonte Williams, Cream
Hunt, DeAndre Swift. That's it.
Don't Matt Charles at Draft Sharks had a good breakdown on
the on The Jets, I thought yesterday, OK, JK Dobbins leads
our Fallers list, Jordan Whittington three weeks in a row
that could be some sort of record 3 weeks in a row on the
Fallers list without some injury.
Or is there some news here other than just where he sort of ranks
in the Rams? Is there?
Adams, Sorry. A couple things, Adams.
Replaced by Adams. Yeah, yeah.
It just keeps, you know, making this list.
Xavier Restrepo, was he hurt? Jalen McMillan, Dallas Goddard,
Amari Cooper and Chuba Hubbard still off the that might have
been on. He might have been on the list
last week too, after Dowdell in Carolina.
So Davis, you said last week it's over for Restrepo.
Is it still over? It might be so back.
It might be it's so over. It's we're we're so back.
I mean, it just depends. It depends on what NFL teams
believe because basically they're just not going to have a
time for him if you so you just throw throw out the time
entirely. I don't know.
I mean I wouldn't if I was an NFLGMI.
Would certainly not risk my third round pick on a 24 year
old. Who?
What were his people doing letting him run if he was really
hurt? Well, he says like his hamstring
tightened up that day, right? And he said he just wanted to I.
Mean, I guess, I guess you got to respect it, but at the same
hand, maybe you don't have to respect it I.
Don't think you have to respect it.
You don't have to respect. It I don't have to respect it,
but I don't have to care either. Like it's not predictive.
Well, it is it's predictive in terms of where he's going to be
drafted. If if this guy's a fifth round
draft pick, you are not going to want and I liked him as a
prospect. I was like he's like kind of
like arbitrage. Ibuka going to come in pro
ready, going to be a slot. Like whoever wants him, just
install him. Good to go.
But, well, if we start thinking about, OK, well, he's a fifth
round pick to the Chargers. I, I don't know, man, then
you're starting to be like, can this dude beat out DJ Shark for
rotational snaps? I I I it.
It feels feels thin. We're getting to the point where
he's like blocked by another slot receiver.
Maybe like, well, lad's going to play in the slot a bunch.
Like, what's his role Like this seems, you know, you're like
hoping he can be a Pop Douglas where he's like pretty clearly
their best receiver. But like, they're like, yeah,
but he's Pop Douglas, you know? I'll, I'll tell you a fall that
doesn't make a ton of sense. Dallas Goddard, because either
he returns to a team where he's got a really good role, or he
goes to a team that actually uses the forward pass to
generate yards and points. Yeah, there's been like.
Drafts where I'm just sitting there, I'm like, I don't need a
tight end and but I'm just like, but Dallas, Dallas got it's like
30 picks past ADP. Like I guess I'm just taking
him. Yeah, I.
Don't get it? What's most likely He stays.
Most likely, I think. Yeah, got her.
Just turned 30. But I don't know.
I like it too. I mean, I like your point on
that. Is Dobbins going to get any
chance with all these rookie running backs we like and he's
still on the market? Is that going to happen for him
to a usable extent? I don't think so.
Yeah, I. Don't know.
What about Nick Chubb in this way?
Same. People keep bringing that up and
I'm like OK, we're talking about a dude who wasn't even good last
year. He had a 2 touchdown game that
kind of helped his fantasy numbers somewhere in there, but
he wasn't good. Then he had another season
ending injury. He's 2928, 29.
Yeah. And a team that basically is
begging for goodwill. The fans hate the team.
Seems like it. Turns 30 in December. 29 is
right, yeah. The players don't even want to
be there, right? I mean, you've got miles Garrett
basically being like, I fucking hate it here.
I want to leave. You're only good player.
You have to pay him an absolute. You have to like back up a a
Brinks truck. It wasn't about the money,
wasn't about the money. Kenny, Kenny Pickett is like
probably the favorite to start Week 1 for them right now and
and this team that's crying out for the fans to be energized
about something won't give him $4 million.
That that is. That's where we're at.
Exactly right. The fact that Nick Chubb is not
on the Browns right now is all you need to know.
Yeah. Do we know his take on that?
Otherwise I would agree too. I don't know.
He doesn't. Have to want to be there.
I'm sure Chubb just wants to play football like I'm sure his
own like he's just like, I want to prove like these guys, they
just want to prove that they that they still got it, you
know, and I would guess no one is offering him anything.
I I would guess he literally has offers for the veteran minimum
from a couple teams and he's like, no, I want to try and get
a little bit more money. So Dobbins and Chubb could be
complete zeros as in like not in the league.
Dobbins I actually think will sign with someone, but Chubb, I
would say is like, I don't know. I I'd probably bet it at like
plus 180 that he doesn't sign by week one, that he's like like a
a a a Melvin Gordon week 4. Emergency.
Yeah, like the Adrian Peterson like career, get him, bring him
on off the street. Although I don't even know if
he's that because Peterson never like got bad.
Peterson was. It was just like, well, this
can't be our plan. He was always good.
Yeah. Yeah.
So I don't even know. I mean, I would not be surprised
if he just retires, right? He signs with the Browns on a
one day deal kind of thing. Like I could see that.
Yeah Dobbins 30. Yeah, Dobbins over 1000 yards
from scrimmage. Comeback Player of the year,
second place. I wonder if he just like goes
away after that. I mean, it was a little better
than somebody that would just disappear.
I think he signed somewhere, but he's going to be kind of like
what Gus Edwards was last year to him, you know, or he's he's
not starting for anyone and he's probably not even going to be
like a clear backup. He's probably going to be like,
it's part of a three man rotation with like a starter and
a rookie would be the most likely thing.
And then you know, or may may if he's lucky, maybe a team really
wants a rookie running back, but they're pretty particular about
which guys they like and they don't get the guy and they bring
in Dobbins for depth. This is kind of the backup.
But this ADP has never made any sense.
Still makes no sense. So Nick Chubb, I guess in terms
of best ball, was last a guy you would have wanted in 20/22.
He was pretty good that season. He scores 13 touchdowns.
He averages 5 yards per carry. He plays two games in 2023.
He plays eight games last year, but he's awful. 3.3 yards per
carry career low success rate. 41% success rate after never
being lower than 50% after being installed as a starter.
Actually, I guess he was pretty bad in 2019, but the team was
worse then. Yeah, but like the Brown it's
it's I agree with what people are saying in the chat like the
the Browns front office needs a goodwill.
I mean, he's basically the only likeable Browns player you think
of. My, I guess my.
Was Garrett. Garrett's Garrett's likeable,
but yeah, I don't know. I mean, I think his his his path
to relevance for fantasy football is he signs for someone
in week four. He he pulls the cream hunt.
He signs for someone in week 4 because they unexpectedly lost
two dudes and he stays healthy. I don't expect him to play well
though. I I think he'll he'll likely be
pretty bad. Which?
This guy's had, I believe five season ending injuries since he
was 19. ADP2O5 so he's eligible for last
call, but doesn't sound like it's going to be Davis's guy at
least. Good point on that.
Like he you'd sign him for the Fields, and the Browns have just
not yet chosen to do that. I would say go ahead.
Sorry, just on Restrepo before there was AII wanted to mention
with him. I I don't think we should be
taking him right now. If you were taking him before.
If you're it's like if you want to grab Restrepo, you don't have
any. I think he's fine to like mix in
is the hope that this forty time thing was just a little fiasco.
But I'm largely just I want to wait until I see the draft
capital come through. OK.
Hubbard and Rico Dowdle compared on our next slide, Shuba versus
Rico. I mean, Rico's probably a better
player at this stage in their careers.
Rico No, I think Shuba's clearly better.
Oh, I thought he was saying Chubb.
I thought he was saying, Oh no, yeah, that was, that was my bad.
Carolina. No tube Tuba's better.
I just, I don't know, I, I have a brain block on Hubbard because
I was so wrong on him last year. It's just hard for me to take a
it's hard for me to take him in the 5th.
Like, I, I like, I like all the rookies better than him, but
that is just probably my, my brain, you know, OK.
Let's talk some tight ends. Let's talk some tight ends.
Well, tuba. Tuba is way too cheap now,
right? Probably or or Rico's way too
cheap. Definitely one of the two.
You tell me. Yeah, I've had a hard time.
Rico's where now I'm not really drafting him.
He's see on the risers, no? I don't think so.
There he is running back 45151. Yeah.
And Hubbard is ADP 54 running back 17 ahead of Ken Walker.
Yeah, I mean, I'm, I'm still into Chuba, but I mean, you
know, Dowdell, Dowdell was good at times last year, but it
wasn't like he was awesome. He's just like, fine.
He's fine. Promulent, right?
Can I? Am I He's?
This was. A very he's a great use.
Of the definition, Yeah. Great use of promulent.
Love it. If if this was post draft I'd be
pretty into Dowdle. He's like a clear cut backup.
I think he's pretty talented, decent situation if he gets the
job he can catch passes a little bit all of that.
But like pre draft it feels like a little fragile to me.
Yeah. And they really, I mean, they
leaned into Hubbard and it went well.
So I think this is like he's be fine as a backup, but probably
just that. Right.
Yeah. And Hubbard signed, Hubbard's
funny because he's signed super cheaply for like 3 more years
after this. Yeah, like normally when a guy
signs an extension, as long as Hubbard, it's like it's really
like a two year deal or whatever.
But he's he's like legitimately on the Panthers.
I think through like 2028. It's it's like crazy.
The deal is crazy long, but they I think we're just like, it's
not going to cost this much to lock this guy up.
And we like want him to be a part of the team for, for years.
And even if it means he's like in a rotation with someone else.
Yeah. So he's literally under contract
in 2028 for $10 million. He's it's 6,000,000 this year,
6,000,000 next year, 9 million the year after 10 million, it's
rounding up to 11. But maybe they cut him that
year. But he's like affordable in
2027. I think that the take away is if
you remember when they did it, they must love him to do.
It they must love him. I mean, they even didn't.
Brooks hadn't been hurt yet the second time either.
They drafted Brooks, remember him, and they still made that
deal. So they must.
They must love him. They must love him.
And I think, you know, it's a smart, smart deal for them.
They're like, we don't have a lot of a lot of things going on
on offense, new regime. Let's make sure this guy's a
part of what we're doing for the next few years, even if it means
we replace them with someone else.
But I don't think that would be Dowdell.
Dowdell's clearly depth. So tight ends, we were going to
talk about ownership today and I'm wondering if we will get to
that. Like who who our top guys are.
So far my top tight end is McBride.
But when I saw that I was a little bit unsettled just
because I mean, even though I like him and why wouldn't you?
But I do also I think I've said it.
I like the the tight ends down down the line.
Try to get a couple of those Ferguson Jacob mentioned him
last week. He's not on this chart craft.
I like a lot. You know some of these guys seem
like really, you know good bets. And that made me question
whether I should have had as much McBride because that's what
2-3. So I don't know what's what are
your thoughts like big picture Davis on on this position I.
Mean, I do really like McBride and Bowers.
I don't I don't think I'm I don't think I'm breaking any
news there. It feels to me like the right
answer is going to be the winner of Travis Kelsey, David Ninjoku,
Tyler Warren now huge. Who's going to be the
quarterback for Njoku, right? If it's Kenny Pickett, you're
out. If it's Flacco, you're in.
If it's Chadur, you're probably more in then you would be.
Actually, you're definitely more in than it would be if it was
Kenny Pickett. Is it Kirk Cousins?
Is that still an option? That's on the.
Table you. You, you love it that it's, that
it's a Joku. I mean, and frankly, no one
wants to hear it like you are. You're just absolutely in jail
if you say anything positive about Travis Kelsey right now.
This is a a a very appropriate price for a guy who is coming
off of a 97 reception season at the tight end position.
I don't. I don't think it's appropriate.
I think it's low. Well, I mean, you build in some
Rashi's healthier. Rashi is healthier than you
think. Risk age-related, you know,
total. I mean, I don't know how much
more age-related decline he has in him, but like, let's say,
let's say he puts up, he already did it, so he's the slowest.
Man in the league. Antonio Gates final season that
he played all the games, he had 69 receptions, 821 yards and 12
touchdowns. Then he was basically he's
basically a bit time player after that.
Now maybe we go into bit time player situation for Kelsey, but
that was Antonio Gates's age 34 season, which is the season that
Kelsey. Let me.
Let me read you Tony Gonzalez's age 37 season.
Oh, it's, it's not even fair, but yes, please.
Do it 83 receptions, 859 yards and eight touchdowns.
That is very, it's like very likely that Kelsey can do that,
I think. It feels Adam felony to me, and
I was on the wrong side of the feeling worse.
But it's like when a guy falls off, but then he's still going
to have a role and the team's still going to, you know, be
using him in kind of an outlet way.
And in this case, he actually has tight end eligibility.
Like, I don't know that we need to necessarily project like
another massive fall off, especially at tight end where
we've seen like Gronk stopped being Gronk.
But then he he was like lesser Gronk until like, if he came
back this year, he'd probably be Lesser Gronk, You know, which by
the way, is that like all these guys?
Is is is that still in the window, Gronk?
Coming back. So I don't think so.
There's the news that we did. He's draftable, you know, you
don't stop being massive and, and have the mental, you know,
know how to to get open and, and read defenses and everything and
be an outlet. So I I don't know, is Kelsey
really going to get like that much slower?
He's not Kelsey anymore, but. Yeah, like the the floor is
pretty, you know, good for this price.
What what's going to happen? It's Kansas City.
It's Travis Kelsey. What is he just going to be on
the bench? I mean, he's going to be on the
field, red zone. You only have the three
touchdowns last year, but you know that's there doesn't have
to be fast or young for that to be there.
So I like Andrews more in about the same range.
I had one draft where I picked them at the 8-9 turn together,
which just I did for fun. But Andrews is younger and a lot
of the same boxes get checked here with him.
I mean, the fact that he fumble and dropped the pass in the
playoff game, that did happen. But I don't know, I feel like
Andrews is probably still Andrews.
I'm a little pretty. Pretty pretty damning.
Pretty damning quote from the. Costco yesterday.
No, they like basically like talking about him like he was
dead, like, you know, or we're glad to have him back, but we
wish him well and we hope he's in a good spot.
It was it was not good. It was.
Not good that that's also what the GM said.
You brought it up a few weeks ago where we couldn't think of
his name at first when he said like, you know, Ring of Honor or
whatever, Like he's somebody that'll always be important to
the franchise. He sounded like he was going
when when he was talking about Andrew.
So similar. Maybe he is.
And they you know, they have likely there and then like he
was not running. You want to talk about like
things that were really concerning from last year with
these two guys. I mean, Andrews was the one who
were like, wow, he's not really. I mean, he's projecting like
shit for a bunch of these weeks. He's not running a full slate of
routes. Andrews was the guy that you're
like struggling to put into your starting lineup, not Kelsey.
Kelsey was like a locked in tight in one every week.
Now, he didn't perform like Kelsey, but I mean, I, I came
away from last year being like way more concerned about what
Andrew's role is going to be if he's back on the Ravens.
Kelsey's going to be in the Kelsey role.
You know, it's like, yes, it's not as fun as it used to be.
He's not a star. But I mean, I took a team
yesterday with Bowers and I took Kelsey as my as my tight end 2.
I didn't have Mahomes, I don't think, but but I got Kelsey like
pretty good price that and then I'm done at tight end.
You know, in these pre draft rooms, a lot of my rooms I'm
like tacking on, you know, late dart throw tight ends and stuff
and that's fine too. But I was like this actually is
pretty nice. Like I have this extra roster
spot. I don't have to draft a tight
end 3. Yeah, I mean he's not he's not
like an absolute smash, but I don't know, it just feels like
fear, like we're just like we're we're applying fear because
someone's like what if his body gives out?
Yeah, OK. But like all of these guys are
at risk of, of some, you know, catastrophic black marble event.
Kelsey's slightly more likely than that, I'll give you that.
But I think, you know, if you just, it's like, man, so this
guy is projecting way better than the guys going around him
last year when he was dust. When he was dust, he was still a
better bet than these guys. You said what?
Davis, Kelsey. Last year, 97 catches. 97
catches. Andrew's 100 the last two years
total. Missed some time in there with
Kelsey. Never misses a game, but
touchdowns were there. Yeah, one, one thing I do want
to note is that the Noah Gray pickers you, you can look
elsewhere. The the chance for Noah de Gray
to have a larger role. Couldn't have imagined a better
parlay than Rashi Rice's knee detonates.
Travis Kelsey stinks. Xavier Worthy was like actively
tanking the team for a month of the season.
And Noah Gray's role did not grow at all.
He played snaps. He he think of Noah Gray the way
you think of like Luke Ferrell, like Josh Oliver.
Josh Oliver. Josh Oliver.
A good a good cop. He he's, he's a good blocker.
He's got soft hands, but they're not the.
The Kansas City Chiefs offense has not and will not ever
revolve around getting Noble Gray the ball 4 * a game.
Just put an asterisk on your Xavier Worthy there and just
replace it with Patrick Mahomes. You meant to say Mahomes there
because Worthy was always open on those plays, but you know
Mahomes is throwing the ball out of bounds or what?
Whatever the actively thanking you, just you were close.
They both, they both did did that to themselves and to.
Who are Who are your number one owned tight ends so far?
Let. Me check it's got Bowers has got
to be. Super boring.
It's David and Joku Hunter Henry Mason Taylor.
I mean, it's literally the most boring, probably the most boring
three guys you could have. That's what we like about it.
The the easy value. Mason Taylor.
Ninjoku Hunter, Henry. Mason Taylor.
Yeah, that that is like you are. I mean, this is a guy who
invests in bonds. This is you just bought a
Treasury bond. Yeah, not going to, not going to
lose anything. Not going to you know your
that's. That's gold, brother you.
Know he's got a, he's got a, his share of silver right there in
that. It's a gold bug, yeah.
Many, many such, I mean, Mason Taylor, like round 20, he's
going to be a second or third round pick, you know, gauntlet
drill Hunter Henry 6060 catches, you know, just very much is what
it is. You know McBride, ADP 27, it's
been a while since I've picked him, but he still is my number
one. It's been a while because New
York shut us down. So because now I'm in the 19th
round of everything, but it's like up against Garrett Wilson,
Jacobs. I hate drafting Jacobs.
Garrett Wilson, Mclaurin, DJ Moore, Boring, Breece Hall,
Kyron Williams, like McBride, is right in the middle of that
cluster of picks. And there's just out of all of
those guys. Yeah, like there's no one else I
want there. So that's how I ended up with
McBride on top, just because. I have a lot of teams that are
like Bijan or Gibbs and then a receiver and then McBride.
That's that's like a pretty common start for me.
Yeah, 2323 turn so. Yeah.
OK, who's your number one my. Number one is Bowers at 31%,
because what are we doing? This guy's going to absolutely
smash this year. Tray McBride at 29%.
Hunter Henry at 22%, but that's actually a tie with Harold
Fannon. He's at 22%.
Oh, buddy. I'm choosing to believe.
All right, last call. So names here we could see crop
back up in our little game. So the game is you're picking
somebody who's ADP is 200 or higher and we are playing for
very specific playoff week production.
We're looking for guys who are going to matter and score for us
in the playoff weeks. Last week I picked Diane Brown,
who signed in Jacksonville. I'm optimistic about that.
Pat went Will Shipley, Davis went Laquint Allen Junior, the
rookie running back, and Jacob went with Jack Bash, who I
continue to hear more and more about.
Who wants to start? Part of the game for me is that
I'd never pick out my guy ahead of time, so I'll I'll.
Start I I know. I know who I want, so I took a
rookie running back. Now I'm going to take a guy
who's basically a rookie running back in the sense that we've
never seen him play. I'm going to take Kendra Miller,
which is I think his ADP is 216. It's really just a bet that the
Saints have so many obvious needs they cannot possibly draft
a running back. Famous last words.
And that Alvin Kamara doesn't make it through the entirety of
the season. 221 as I look today. Even better.
This is year 3 for him, right? This is year three-year 3.
New coach, so maybe this coach doesn't hate him like last
year's guy did. Got to be nice for him if he's
just not hated by his head coach.
Yeah, I I like it. You know, Dynasty.
It was dynasty cut down day yesterday, Davis and a couple of
these teams. Kendra Miller was sort of like
he was an option, I guess as a cut, but I never wanted to do
it. And that league you and I are
in, someone got me really good. They've been sending me Pacheco
for a third round pick and I kept declining it for like
weeks. Then they very sneakily added in
me trading them back a seventh round pick.
And I just read the e-mail too quickly thinking oh, Pacheco for
a 7th. And I accepted it and I realized
it was no, I'm giving the three O 2 and then giving them back
around oh, 7th, which is, which is nothing.
I mean, that's nothing, but it's just I did trade a rookie third
round pick or Isaiah Pacheco. I wondered about that and we had
just gotten done talking about him last.
Week. No, it it was.
It was a complete complete mistake.
Complete accident. I mean, my team in that league
is, I mean, I'm gonna I if I don't win the regulars, if I
don't win this by by 200 points, something has gone very wrong
this year. You're that good.
MMM Bijon Bijon genti Bowers likely laporta neighbors were
the DAC Drake May in a in superflex best ball.
And the one O 2 and the one O 2 as well as the one as Dante, you
have the 1st 2 picks. So if I don't win, something has
gone wrong. You cut Christian Watson, who I
traded to you a couple years ago.
Many. Times many such cases.
Yeah, does. He play at all?
Does he play at all this year? He.
Tours ACL on the Week 18. Late.
Yeah, I don't. Know Wait, so who did you guys
pick? Kendre Miller.
Davis went Kendre Miller, you know, you said you weren't
ready, you were excited to say you weren't ready.
So I'll, I'll, I'll take Restrepo across that 200
threshold and I'm going to make a, you know, a guess here that
the league won't freak out about his time.
Somebody will like him, as Davis laid out earlier, like
interesting prospect in the 1st place.
So I'll go with him, Rookie. Let me ask how we're doing this
game, Are we? Is this like?
Raw points scored fantasy points well.
So it should be by position like are we, are we doing anything
to? Do we have?
I don't think we have to mess with that.
You know, you want one of those quarterbacks on the Giants in
the playoff weeks, go for it. It's just, you know, underdog
scoring, I'm thinking. OK.
All right. I'm going to take Jackson Dart.
All right. Yeah, Yeah, I'll give it to.
Him I'm willing to sure, I'm willing to change the pick if I
mean or we can change the rules. I just, you know.
Nope, Nope, no, I mean, look, every year someone always cheats
a little bit. Trying to win the game bro.
I mean, we can all pick quarterbacks in future weeks if
we want also even Jackson Dart or is there going to be a rule
here once you've claimed and that's it, no one else can pick
them? No, you, you can, you can, you
can pick the guy. You can.
You can grab other guys. I can pick Dart next week, we
can pick Dart next week if we want.
Yes, we did this, I believe. One well, we we did in the other
game, but in this game you did in the other game because we
were counting from the rye. So you were like locking in less
of a rise or more of a rise. But here I don't know that we
should. Shouldn't it be a one and done?
Maybe. I think A1 and done but.
Maybe it's a sign of a good game when you sort of figure it out
as you go, right? Just figure out the rules as you
go. Yeah.
OK. I mentioned that'll be on ship
chasing on Thursday. You guys hit us with what you've
got this week, Pat. This morning I had my tight end
article on the rookies out some bullishness for for Harold
Fannon. Not in the median, you know, not
in the most likely scenarios, not if we're being realistic.
But if we, if we dare to dream a little bit, Harold Fannon is
extremely fun. Also obviously broke down Tyler
Warren Colson, Loveland got an amazing Taylor, Elijah Royo did
a couple of the deep guys, Rhonda Gadson and Terence
Ferguson. And then, yeah, we've got an
article that'll be out later this week from Michael Dubner.
He had an article on the rookie risers at quarterback last week.
This one will be on the running backs.
I'll be streaming later this week doing some some drafts with
the sidekick. Check that out over and on
YouTube. And pretty quickly after this,
I'll be on with JJ Zacharisen talking the rookie class for
dynasty purposes. Good.
There we go, Davis Swill cast 30 minutes.
See you there. I'm playing craps with rebar.
Is that something you would do? By the way, if I ever get to
Saint Louis, is that get you in a casino or is that out?
Yeah, I like the I enjoy, I enjoy the casino.
Yeah, you know me though, I'm I'm a real fuddy Duddy.
I don't, you know, I don't like the minus CV table games.
I prefer the poker room. You know, that's that's really
that's really how lame I am. I will do the table games but
but at the end of the day I really am one of the lamest
people you've ever met. I mentioned Ben being on ship
chasing here again, that rookie mock draft you guys did with Ray
GQ and those guys the other night, I loved it.
It was so it was so he was great even though he didn't know what
it was. It's.
Kind of like this game, you know, we got to do it on the.
Yeah, it just it, it works. It works.
So I really would recommend that show and anybody who watches or
listens to us get in the Discord so you can chat with us, You
know, every day I'm in there every day.
I didn't expect to be I'm I'm I'm discord guy, no.
Discord show they're calling you.
That's they are. All right.
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Wednesday. Carlin Hartman, who's a high
school friend of mine is the associate head coach at the
University of Florida, which I is in the final four.
So I'll talk to Carlin today about about that.
You can find us on the Odyssey app, which is free.
Thanks everybody. Thanks, Pat and Davis and
hopefully we get Jacob back next week and we will talk to you
next then.