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Managing a heat wave here in sun
drenched Western New York. 

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Good morning. 
I'm Mike Shope today on ADP 

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chasing. 
What are our heroes doing about 

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elite Q BS? 
Is Davis Maddock getting his 

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requisite 8.3% Josh Allen, Lamar
Jackson, Jayden Daniels? 

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Is Jacob Sanderson laying back 
and waiting out his rooms for 

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all the shares of Mr. Daniel J 
Dimes? 

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And I imagine Pat Crane from 
some beachfront property on one 

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of the coasts, merely just 
scooping up all the value, 

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sitting there in his robe, 
taking a puff from his pipe. 

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Ah, Brock Purdy, 2 rounds past 
ADP. 

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Don't mind if I do lovey. 
Is there any of that cab left? 

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Not the 2012. 
I want the good stuff. 

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That year was pitched like this 
stuff anyway. 

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That's terrible, sorry. 
Tuesday June 24th, 2025 ADP 

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chasing best ball country. 
Let's ride. 

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ADP chasing is for When you 
watch chip chasing, you go. 

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These guys are just football 
guys. 

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I. 
Have my 4% exposure blanket. 

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Stay poor, actually. 
Back in, if it's Austin A, it's.

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Tear into our crystal ball. 
close your eyes. 

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You know all your entries are 
going to lose anyway. 

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Yeah. 
That's fair. 

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You're not going to tell me all 
this when I was here? 

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It's anti cabal, it's anti the 
best ball thought leader. 

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I'm obviously lying to some 
degree because like, I have a 

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lot of both of these guys. 
It's the most disgusting thing 

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you can make, but man. 
I literally had a fight. 

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That the best that the it's anti
cabal version of Davis just 

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looks like Zach. 
No, but it does, yeah. 

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Yeah, I, I literally had a pipe 
that I forgot to bring down my 

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wife's grandfather's pipe. 
I thought was just I need, I 

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think I needed it, Pat. 
I think I needed it for the for 

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the. 
Yeah, that would have been 

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because when you started acting,
I thought I I was like, why is 

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he talking to someone off 
screen? 

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What's what's going on? 
You, you're really in the moment

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there. 
So. 

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I needed. 
I needed the pipe so to speak. 

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I thought, I thought I had one 
in here. 

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I don't. 
Directionally accurate. 

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I've got. 
I've got one around somewhere. 

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One of the beaches, one of the 
one of the coasts. 

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I was on, I was on the East 
Coast beach, went to Ocean City,

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NJ, sleepy little dry town and 
we for family vacation, family 

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vacation. 
Vivian loved the water. 

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She was just running it. 
She would like we have her play 

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like with little sandcastle 
stuff. 

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You know, my her cousins were 
there and everything. 

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They're all older and you know, 
they're, you know, some are only

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over by like 6 months. 
But there's like good little 

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group. 
And she would just like see the 

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ocean again and just kind of 
like get up. 

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And then she'd just like work 
her little way like up a little 

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dune and then like down. 
And then she would run into the 

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sea. 
Like she never looked back to 

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make sure I was there. 
She'd just go in the water. 

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Yeah, man, how? 
Do I just it's both like? 

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Scary and awesome. 
This child is 14. 

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Pat doesn't tell you, by the 
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She is 14 months years. 
Old. 

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Oh, OK. 
Yeah, it's hot everywhere. 

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Do we hate it? 
Davis doesn't hate it. 

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The heat. 
No, I mean, obviously I like, I 

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would prefer for it to be, you 
know, 72 with a you're a 78. 

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You want to be outside all day 
every time that it is 98. 

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I'm. 
Hoping you mean Fahrenheit 98 

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Celsius would be. 
So, so that is not exactly 

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right. 
I guess what I would say is it's

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not going to deter me from doing
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like I'm still gonna go golf and
believe. 

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Pre show you said if you're from
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outside during these 
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That's that's a. 
Believe well, you're used to it.

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You can't avoid it in the 
Midwest. 

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Maybe I also the other thing is 
like I love to read outside and 

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I love to to get the sun. 
Like I'm going to like actually 

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in the the hour in between the 
swole cast and then when I 

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stream, I'm going to go sit 
outside in the backyard with the

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dog and fill up a kiddie pool 
for her and let her sit and and 

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get in. 
Honestly, what is a gross, 

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disgusting kiddie pool? 
And you know. 

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While you're reading a book and 
the pages are literally Catching

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Fire from the heat outside as 
you read. 

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Yeah, it's it is, it is very 
hot. 

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It is like, don't don't get me 
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it is super hot and and the 
chat, if you're saying you're 

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from the Midwest and you don't 
engage in this, you're not a 

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real Midwesterner. 
You're. 

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You're I'm. 
I'm. 

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Or you're a coward. 
I I am a coward and I'm 

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deceptively familiar with this. 
People always think that 

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Winnipeg lives that we live in 
igloos 100% of the time. 

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That's not the case. 
Anyone who lives in like 

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Minnesota or North Dakota, we 
have the exact same temperature 

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as you, which means the the 
winter is like intolerably cold 

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and you'd think you get a nice 
chill summer. 

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You don't. 
Vancouver, where I now live is 

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literally paradise. 
It's like never snows, it's 

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never cold, and then it also 
never goes above like I'm trying

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to do Fahrenheit. 
Is it rain there? 

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We. 
Get a lot of rain. 

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We get a lot of rain. 
I love rain, so that's not a 

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problem for me. 
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So. 
When people say paradise, they 

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don't normally mean that it's 
raining all the time, just. 

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I love it's on rain all the 
time. 

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It rains like in November dude. 
Liking. 

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Liking. 
Rain, so it's. 

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Better than Seattle flag. 
Yeah, maybe it's a red flag, but

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I, I'm a big rain fan for sure. 
I I like rain and actually this 

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I like rain for a specific 
reason and it's because I'm, I 

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love walking, but I'm really bad
at like not pulling out my phone

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when I'm on a walk and I never 
have as good of an experience 

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when I do that, but I can't stop
myself. 

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But if it's raining then I will 
ruin my phone you. 

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Know what so I. 
I have no choice, let me just 

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like lock in on music or a 
podcast because the rain will 

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will ruin my electronic devices 
and then I just just get to 

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experience the outdoors. 
Pat's face right now, you might 

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as well be talking about Mary 
and Hosa. 

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By the way, no, no, this is this
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derogatory. 
That's fair. 

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This is my face when my when my 
mind's been changed. 

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I I'm giving I. 
I don't like it, but I'm yeah. 

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I'm awarding Jacob some points 
for that answer. 

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Yeah, Cause 'cause normally what
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know, I love the winter, I love 
the rain. 

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What they mean is they don't 
like to physically move their 

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bodies like a day where they 
take a day where they take 1400 

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steps. 
It's like a a GTO day for them 

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which can't can't cosign that 
behavior. 

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I would say Buffalo is actual 
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inches of snow in 20 minutes 
once a year, so I need to put 

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Buffalo. 
On top. 

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Sorry. 
I didn't do, I didn't do that in

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meters. 
Maybe next week we'll be we'll 

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go meters there, no. 
Inches and feet, you guys, you 

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guys actually win on that one. 
Inches and feet are better than 

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anything we have in the metric 
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I'm I'm strong Fahrenheit, 
Fahrenheit to me is Fahrenheit's

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so much better than Celsius. 
No fahrenheit's for. 

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Babies fahrenheit's more it's 
for. 

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Babies. 
Fahrenheit, Each degree tells 

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you a smaller amount of 
information, which I want for 

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the weather. 
I want to be able to dial in 

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what I'm saying the weather is. 
I don't want to have to these 

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huge Celsius chunks just because
that's the water boils at this, 

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so we have to have it as 100. 
That's stupid. 

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We're never going to be up in 
the high part of the range. 

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Water's about to boil. 
We'll die. 

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Yeah, I, I would love to do 
like, I would love to do like 

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blind weather test with pack of 
rain where we like have him 

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transported into 67 Fahrenheit 
and 64 Fahrenheit and he tells 

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me the difference of which one 
is hotter. 

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I'd like to know, Jacob. 
I like to know, I don't. 

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Think you would do as well as 
you'd think? 

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I was in Ohio weekend before 
last for lacrosse hot you know 

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Ohio heat pretty good and I 
learned that to play on underdog

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in Ohio you have to download 
rankings you. 

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Just have to do. 
You just have to do. 

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Just one, yeah. 
You, you just, you literally go 

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Jamar Chase Peas and Robinson 
bang, you're in. 

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OK, yeah, I mean, I ended up 
just using the ones on the app. 

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I don't know why. 
What if you don't? 

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Know that here I'll 10. 
Bucks a month. 

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I'll break. 
Let me let me break your brain 

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even more. 
If you use an optimizer for 

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daily fantasy sports, it is 
legally written that you cannot 

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use the same projections and 
optimizations as everyone else. 

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You know, because that would be 
unfair. 

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So on rotor grinders on run of 
The Sims everywhere, you have to

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manually adjust to projections. 
That could be excluding a guy 

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who projects for zero points. 
That could be changing owners. 

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It could be anything. 
But you cannot use the white 

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label. 
Like you cannot just go in and 

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click optimize and go because 
this was something that was 

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negotiated, you know, nine years
ago by some drunk New York State

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senator like Ethan Gate. 
Like truly like, so like this 

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is, you know, Jacob, you'll know
this, this is the Gelman amnesia

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thing for like all these people 
who don't know anything and are 

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not experts in fantasy sports 
had to make these rules. 

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But then, you know, we go talk 
about we, we go talk about 

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policy. 
And you're like, well, of 

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course, this person who's 
discussing the Iran, Israel 

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conflict knows everything there 
is to possibly know about it. 

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This article that I read. 
But yes, that is true. 

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And and it's the same rule why 
you have to do the 2 rankings. 

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I don't think I had to adjust 
anything, I just had to upload 

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them or do something to get them
from wherever A to B you're. 

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Functionally adjusting it, 
that's what Davis is saying. 

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If you're doing a Sims product, 
I mean you literally David's 

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exactly right. 
You go and you can put the same 

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projection but 00000001 at the 
end and you've adjusted it. 

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Well, we made it work. 
Slide one before we get into 

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elite quarterbacks and then 
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This is a fun one. 
Welcome to the squad. 

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Last week, my team on last call,
Dante Thornton. 

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And you know, he's he's the buzz
with the Raiders and Jack Bash 

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isn't, at least that's how it 
seems. 

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So who's got slide one for us? 
Pete, is it you? 

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Wow. 
That was me. 

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Look at. 
That, but what is? 

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What is? 
Pete getting credit for He's not

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even here. 
This is. 

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I brought this. 
This is this is a great This is 

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a great bit. 
I didn't even know. 

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I didn't even know what the 
graphics were. 

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I meant Pete isn't you to like 
show talking shit on Jack Bash 

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because that's like. 
Oh, I'm your brand. 

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Someone have the slides? 
The slides came up. 

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No, you're right. 
Is it you? 

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It was a beat late. 
So I was like, it would be 

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plausible that Pete had to come 
in and put the slides. 

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Well, now it's too late doing it
but it. 

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Wasn't that that would be that 
would be funnier if Pete was so 

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upset that the Jack Mesh slander
slide was half a second late 

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that he logged in. 
Oh man. 

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We've got to get our Jack mesh 
slander up immediately. 

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That's what I thought. 
Well. 

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You know, you're kind of called 
it. 

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He is represented here with the 
T-shirt in the bottom right 

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we've got. 
Pete is going to be so mad when 

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he finally watches Dante 
Thornton play. 

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He's going to be like, this is 
the guy that I spent, This is 

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the guy that I was doing against
Jack Bash. 

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I'm not. 
I'm not too worried about us 

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watching a lot of. 
Dante Thornton Yeah, Yeah, No, 

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incredibly good point. 
And I think it's it's so funny 

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that basically the conversation 
is well, well, Jack Besh is just

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far too duplicative, which Kobe 
Myers and Brock Myers, they 

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could never possibly get him on 
the field. 

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I mean, you know what, you know 
who you know who are pretty good

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players? 
Kobe Myers and Brock Bowers are 

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pretty good, pretty good 
players. 

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Feels like duplicating that 
skill set as opposed to 

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duplicating, you know, you know 
what? 

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I'm not real worried about 
duplicating the Trey Tucker 

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skill set. 
I think I'm, I think I'm pretty 

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fine not drafting a ton of the 
Trey Tucker skill set, but it 

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seems seems OK to me. 
You know who's like pretty good 

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Jacoby Myers and Brock Bowers. 
I think maybe I'll I'll take my 

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I'll just go ahead and go with 
the guy who had more receptions 

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than Malik neighbors and Brian 
Thomas Junior when they were 

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playing together in college. 
I think I'm good with that over 

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the guy who's at a school that 
by the way, and Jacob will back 

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me up on. 
The entire Tennessee situation 

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is designed to put up fake video
game number for the 

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quarterbacks, for the running 
backs, for the wide receivers, 

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for everybody. 
And Dante Thornton couldn't even

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put up fake video game number. 
He. 

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Ran like 25% of the routes 
because he can only run in a 

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straight line really fast. 
But but he does run in a 

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straight line. 
Really. 

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Fast, real fast. 
I I'll give him credit. 

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I'll give him credit. 
Yeah. 

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So I think Jack Besh and and by 
the way, this whole dude, it's 

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the Raiders. 
You guys are going all in on the

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Raiders. 
First off, how did that all work

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out for you last year with Brock
Powers? 

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I'm going to suggest probably 
didn't work out very well for 

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you guys. 
The thing I will add on top of 

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that is Pete Carroll and Chip 
Kelly, you know, this ain't, 

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this ain't Josh McDaniels and 
whatever chuckle Dicks we're 

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calling plays on that offense. 
This is this is a, this is a 

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different and more competent 
offensive environment. 

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He didn't even think that Davis 
so far today, I. 

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Think I'm beginning to think 
that Davis is cold blooded that 

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that with with the weather 
warming up, he has come alive. 

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This is this man is. 
Is spitting far now let him. 

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And, and you know what? 
I, I really, I, I think the Jack

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Besh stuff has gone too far and,
and Pete deserves to be called 

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out for just drafting a ton of 
Thornton and no Besh. 

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Oh wait, he hasn't selected 
Thornton once. 

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It's early. 
It's still June. 

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Still June. 
That's that's very that's very 

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fake influencing from Peter to 
to So what how is Peter how is 

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Peter fading this second round 
wide receiver on a high end, not

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high end offense, but but 
fast-paced offense. 

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And we're we're just saying I'm,
you know, the Colin Cowherd, 

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Jack Besh. 
We're good. 

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We have Dante Thornton. 
I'm good you that's that's 

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honestly, I'm probably so old 
that that is like actually too 

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niche for this audience. 
This is like at this stage, this

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is like a nine year old meme. 
Isn't that the where we have 

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Ben? 
Simmons, we have Ben Simmons. 

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Yes, yeah, there we go. 
So so I in other words, Dante 

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Thornton is the Dante Thornton, 
Christian Wilkerson, Trey 

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Tucker, Raheem Monster, Michael 
Mayer. 

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These are these are the Ben 
Simmons in, in my opinion. 

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And Jack Bash is LeBron James in
the scenario. 

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Let's let me get Jack Bash is 
Zadrunas Ilgauskas in this 

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situation, and Bowers and Bowers
is the Bowers is the LeBron. 

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Jacoby Myers is the the the the 
Boobie Gibson. 

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You know of the situation. 
Jack Bash is more of a Matthew 

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Dellavedova. 
That's actually a very good 

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comp. 
They're they're probably the 

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same height. 
They're probably. 

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As long as as long as none of 
them is the is the Charmander I,

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I at least I can follow it. 
Yeah, that's well. 

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That might be the problem 
actually. 

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Jack Besh is the the Charmander 
of Kobe Myers. 

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Myers is the Charmeleon. 
Sorry everyone, sorry. 

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And Bowers is the Charizard. 
Charizard. 

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That's the problem. 
You don't want to be the 

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Charmander when you have a 
Charmeleon and de Charizard. 

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Is the Arctic char. 
Dante Thornton is Dante 

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honestly. 
Honestly, they got. 

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Fun. 
I don't know. 

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He's he's the magic park he's 
got. 

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He's just, it means it means 
that he's, he's for the fish. 

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You know the fish. 
Are. 

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Thing for the record, I didn't 
have that link when I said it. 

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I was just going on, but I came 
up a bit later. 

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That's good. 
You got to shoot 1st and figure 

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out what you meant later 
sometimes on this show. 

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That's for sure. 
Oh man, I don't know. 

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I mean, I think largely the best
thing is like a little bit 

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overblown. 
He's he's going with he's 

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running with the twos and he 
apparently he's like looked 

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fine. 
And normally we don't get all 

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worked up if a second round 
receiver spends mini cams with 

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the twos. 
It's it's that in combination 

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with Thornton running with the 
ones and looking really good. 

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But. 
Is there actually an example of 

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panicking with the second round 
wide receiver running with the 

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twos that worked? 
I don't know, because the twos 

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are the twos. 
They're fine You. 

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Know he was like Sky Moore. 
Probably worked. 

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Well, I think, I think it was 
the person I was going to say. 

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There were in the preseason he 
played like no snaps with the 

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ones I remember that OK. 
If this was the preseason, I 

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would have a very, very 
different attitude about it. 

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I I am. 
Totally open. 

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I am totally open. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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I'm open to Bury and Jack Bash 
if it's like Christian Wilkerson

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is playing better than him. 
I'm not I'm I'm not burying him 

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based on 1/3 sentence athletic 
blurb about how they're 

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concerned that his duplicative 
skill set is their two best 

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players. 
So it's the Yankee line. 

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Unless unless Nathan Yankee is 
tracking your snaps, then you 

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don't care who they play with. 
I mean, I sure I will. 

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I will adjust on each situation.
This particular situation, I'm 

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not concerned, mostly because 
his actual biggest competition 

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is a player who's not even 
mentioned in this blurb. 

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His biggest competition for 
playing time is Michael Mayer. 

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That if Michael Mayer runs back 
his snaps from last year, 

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there's not enough meat on. 
The game. 

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For Jack Best, and I would like 
to hear more of that weighed in 

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upon the interesting thing in 
this offense obviously is that 

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Chip Kelly's stuff based on his 
NFL stuff does not work as well 

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in 12. 
But he might be. 

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He might be a different man, you
know? 

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Right. 
Yeah. 

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We're getting to the point with 
Besh where he can play basically

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none of the season and have a 
spike week once in the final 

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three weeks. 
It's. 14 round pick. 

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Golden yeah. 
So you're getting to the point 

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where I think he he's starting 
to make a lot of sense. 

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Not like as a smash because you 
there's still he wasn't a first 

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round pick. 
Like I took a lot of pure Sol 

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last year with just like the 
he's a first round pick. 

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They're going to get him on the 
field at some point. 

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That's being a second round pick
and a weaker prospect. 

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Even the pure Sol, I don't feel 
as confident about that right 

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now. 
But if it looks like, you know, 

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he's a part of their plans, he's
just not going to play right 

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away, then I'm going to feel, I 
think pretty good about him if 

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he's at these prices, you know, 
towards the towards the end of 

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the summer. 
On the riser's chart for today, 

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Deonte Dante Thornton. 
No, it's not. 

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Deonte Dante Thornton shows up 
some familiar names. 

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We've had a few of these guys, 
you know, in recent weeks. 

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JK Dobbins up top the list, 
Miles Sanders, Travis Etn, Rashi

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Rice, Chuba Hubbard, George 
Kittle, DeAndre Swift, and 

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Isaiah Pacheco. 
It almost feels like last. 

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Week made me a madman when I was
posting my 32% Miles Sanders 

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screenshots and now? 
Now look where we are. 

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Now look at it. 30 kicks of ADP 
later, I did not realize this 

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was happening. 
Literally like because I, I 

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don't know, I had a really busy 
work week last week. 

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So I think I did like 2 drafts 
and then I like logged in and I 

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was like trying to find Miles 
Sanders when I did a draft the 

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other day and I was like, wait, 
like, why isn't he around 

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anymore? 
It's around 17. 

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Like this is my, my around 17 
pick. 

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And then I saw the 80s in the 
one 80s and I was like, my gosh,

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like that. 
That's wild. 

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Yeah. 
What is is this going to keep 

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going up? 
Do you guys think like I I? 

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Don't I think so. 
I mean, he's, I don't think he's

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that different than Jovante at 
this point. 

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Well, I think he's better. 
Right, except. 

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For price, except for price, 
that's it. 

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I'm not. 
I have had him ranked ahead of 

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Jovante in my initial BBM ranks.
I then changed to be less 

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ridiculous. 
But maybe, maybe I'll have to 

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change back in a month. 
We'll see. 

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Yeah, I mean, I I'm at 18%, so 
not as heavy as as you went, but

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I wish, I kind of wish I had 
your position on it. 

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It's the thing that's that's not
fun is that like Miles Sanders 

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isn't good. 
And so you do have to you do 

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have to contend with with that 
element when you're considering 

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him. 
But neither is Jemonte Williams.

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The Sacrilegious was sharing 
some stuff with us from one of 

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the beats and it was like, and 
right now they're there's 

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thinking that Phil Moffa might 
be ahead of Jaden Blue. 

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That's not good. 
And and that Kevonte Turpin. 

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I call. 
I'd like to. 

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I'd like to see that raise and I
would like to immediately call. 

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The the concern I think for blue
is that Kevonte Turpin, it 

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appears to be in favor and does 
kind of the blue stuff. 

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And then it's like, what do you 
need behind? 

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Like what don't you have? 
And the answer is a good early 

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down running back and so maybe 
Mafa. 

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Bad news for the Dallas Cowboys?
They don't got one. 

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They don't got one, but they 
might be looking at Mafa being 

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like, are you good? 
And the answer's no, but but you

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know, but blue isn't really that
either. 

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So I don't know the the whole 
backfield is I I just want to 

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take the cheapest guy, I think, 
and and Sanders, even with the 

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rise is still that. 
So I've been I've been taking. 

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Blue and Sanders are gonna flip 
very soon when the best ball 

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cabal gets their way. 
They should flip. 

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Can I? 
Can I just? 

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Ask they. 
They definitely should not if 

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if. 
If all these contests just 

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dropped today, we forget 
everything about closing line 

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value. 
We try to unanchor ourselves 

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from ADP, unburden ourselves by 
what has been. 

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What do you think would be the 
like fair ADP for each of the 

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Dallas Cowboys running backs 
today? 

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And no one, no one. 
The the biggest part of this is 

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that everyone has to forget that
Javonte Williams was once an 

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exciting second round pick, you 
know, during the first Obama 

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administration. 
Well, you don't have to forget 

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that. 
You, you, you can you. 

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You know everything you know 
about these players. 

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The only thing I'm asking you to
forget is where their AD PS have

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been in the 2025 best ball. 
In terms like what? 

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What do you think is the right 
ADP if all these contests were 

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dropping today? 
Right ADP Miles Sanders 137 

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Jaden Blue 149 Javonte Williams 
174 Film off a 215.9. 

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OK, so if that was if that was 
the ADP, then I would just do 

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the exact reverse of what? 
I would just do javon. 

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And I would just take. 
Two, I think they should all be 

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around like pick 145 or 
something like that or 150. 

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00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:17,480
Like we don't know anything like
this backfield is the what what 

449
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,560
we know is that it looks right 
now to be Javonte Williams and 

450
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,360
Sanders is the the 1A and 1B and
maybe not in that order. 

451
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:29,480
So we we have this big gap 
between the 1A Javante who might

452
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:33,240
actually be the 1B and then down
to Sanders and might actually be

453
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,040
the 1A. 
So I so I think hammering 

454
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,640
Sanders makes a lot of sense, 
but then both of these guys 

455
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,280
suck. 
So that opens the door for blue.

456
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:44,320
The problem is that in reality, 
maybe a running back, but in the

457
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,960
player pool, a wide receiver, 
Kevante Turpin might be kind of 

458
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:48,520
their scat back type instead of 
blue. 

459
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:53,400
And then maybe they mix in Mafa.
So you're just like, if you look

460
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:57,800
at last year, Rico Dowdle was an
awesome pick when he was like in

461
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:01,240
the 11th and 12th round. 
Zeke was going kind of in that 

462
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,360
same range too, and there wasn't
a third guy. 

463
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,120
So I don't know, I think that 
the Javante price just doesn't 

464
00:24:06,120 --> 00:24:08,160
really make sense to me. 
That's the one where I'm like. 

465
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:13,760
If you if you look at any of the
like fancy stats like like yards

466
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,440
after contact, average miss 
tackle, I got a good one. 

467
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,760
Can you can you highlight Jared 
Morgan's comment here? 

468
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,800
He says I still don't get the 
Javante 8. 

469
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,280
I will. 
I will solve this for you in one

470
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:28,440
stat. 
Javonte Williams had a worst 

471
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:32,240
missed tackle force rate than 
Gus Edwards last year. 

472
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:36,520
Gus Edwards had more wiggle and 
was more powerful than Javonte 

473
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,160
Williams last year. 
So. 

474
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:43,320
Yeah, Javonte Williams was 
running behind one of the best 

475
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,800
offensive lines in the league 
and couldn't get anything going.

476
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,560
I mean he no backfield. 
Competition had all the 

477
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,400
opportunities for two years in a
row. 

478
00:24:52,120 --> 00:24:55,800
Yeah, rush yard's over. 
Expected he had -83 only guys 

479
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,240
worse were Kareem Hunt and 
DeAndre Swift. 

480
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:04,000
He had a success rate of 30%. 
Only guys lower than that were 

481
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,480
DeAndre Swift. 
Again, maybe he's bad Travis 

482
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:13,120
Etienne and Devon A Chan. 
So you get no explosion, no 

483
00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:17,320
consistency to Davis's stats 
there, no broken tackles. 

484
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,160
He he's reliable as a pass 
blocker. 

485
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,840
You get that, But like the, the 
success rate thing sucks when 

486
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:26,520
you think about like, is he good
in short yardage? 

487
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,840
Well, no, not if he's got a 
horrible success rate. 

488
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,440
That's like, you know, so you 
know, some of these guys who 

489
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,600
aren't that explosive, they, 
they're at least consistent. 

490
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:39,200
So I think. 
And Sanders? 

491
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,240
Sanders sucks too. 
Like Sanders sucks too. 

492
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:45,200
Like. 
He's also bad, but like, I don't

493
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,200
even really understand the idea.
So the only thing Javante really

494
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,120
has over Sanders is pass 
protection. 

495
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,080
But even at their peaks in the 
NFL, like Javante's peak in the 

496
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:57,360
NFL was at a timeshare with 
Melvin Gordon as a rookie. 

497
00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,880
And then he got devastatingly 
injured. 

498
00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:02,560
And I think if he didn't get 
injured, he probably would still

499
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:03,760
probably be a pretty good 
running back. 

500
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,000
But he did, and he's never 
looked remotely competent ever 

501
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,880
since. 
I mean, at least with Sanders, 

502
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:13,600
like his peak in the NFL in 2022
is frankly more impressive than 

503
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:14,760
anything Javante Williams ever 
did. 

504
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,720
He had 12169 rushing yards and 
11 touchdowns and he got a 

505
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,560
massive contract by the Carolina
Panthers. 

506
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:25,520
I think he's like pretty washed 
since, but I don't know, I think

507
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,800
he's like fine. 
Like he had, he had a couple 

508
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,400
moments on the Panthers where he
had some breakaway runs and or 

509
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,200
breakaway after the catch place.
I haven't seen Javante do that. 

510
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,920
Javante 12.5% breakaway rate 
last year. 

511
00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:41,680
So it's just that that's like 
Hunter Lepke beat that. 

512
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,720
So I don't know, I think Sanders
is like should not be a starting

513
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,840
running back in the NFL and it's
preposterous that he has a 

514
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,520
chance to be. 
But I, I actually do think he is

515
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,680
legitimately a better runner. 
I think he's probably 

516
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,960
legitimately the best runner on 
this team, which makes him like 

517
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,360
the 77th best runner in the NFL.
And it is insane that the 

518
00:26:57,360 --> 00:26:59,840
Cowboys don't have anyone better
than any of these options. 

519
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:04,280
But I, I, I do legitimately 
think on merit, he he is the 

520
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,560
best option that they have. 
The thing about this, and I 

521
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,200
guess This is why we spend so 
much energy on it, is the old 

522
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:15,640
what do you win when you win 
game is a lot if you get the 

523
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,760
right guy here. 
And I don't see why they would 

524
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,680
need Mile Sanders and Javonte 
Williams to play any kind of 

525
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,600
significant roles. 
Why wouldn't it be 1 or the 

526
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,680
other for whatever reasons they 
go by to decide? 

527
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,560
So I could see the rookies. 
Show up. 

528
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,160
You're right, there's been a lot
of this. 

529
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,720
Like, people will just sort of 
do this glib thing on Twitter 

530
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,720
where they're like, yeah, how 
did that work out for you idiots

531
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,080
drafting all the Broncos running
backs last year? 

532
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:41,880
And the answer is it worked out 
pretty good. 

533
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,840
Those dudes just all absolutely 
sucked. 

534
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,760
But if you bink this year's Rico
Dowdell, who was fine, I don't 

535
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,800
think anyone thinks Rico Dowdell
is like an awesome player. 

536
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,880
No, I was in on Rico Dowdell and
I was never, it was never like 

537
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:55,440
he's so, so good. 
He's good enough. 

538
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,880
He's going to be good enough. 
So basically, if you get, if you

539
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:04,800
get a good enough fantasy season
from any of them, a good enough 

540
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:09,720
ability season, you were going 
to run into, you know, 12 and a 

541
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,200
half, 13 points per game doesn't
sound like much, particularly 

542
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,040
the way a lot of the slappy 
idiots are drafting teams. 

543
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,960
Guess what, man, 13 points for 
five consecutive weeks is going 

544
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,200
to do a lot for your team. 
If you're fading Derrick Henry, 

545
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,400
If you're fading CMC, If you're 
fading Breece Hall, If you're 

546
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,440
fading Kyron Williams and you 
have, you know, Chase and and 

547
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,080
all these dudes, that is going 
to matter a lot for your team. 

548
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,240
Probably don't be building a 
huge position of Jaden Blue and 

549
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:42,320
Miles Sanders if you're super 
overweight on all the early 

550
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,280
round running backs. 
Doesn't make any sense for you. 

551
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,040
But if you are drafting, you 
know, 4 wide receivers through 

552
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:51,920
6, a lot of the time all these 
guys have the ability to help. 

553
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,320
Chat is saying Dowdell didn't 
have any competition. 

554
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,880
Dumbest thing I've ever heard. 
Franchise legend Ezekiel Elliott

555
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,600
was averaging, I think 13 1/2 
touches per game before they. 

556
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,920
I don't remember. 
Did he get hurt or they cut him 

557
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,320
last year? 
I I like it, yeah. 

558
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,160
No, he well, he was suspended at
one point, but then he was 

559
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:15,160
unsuspended and he just he, I 
don't know if he ever got 

560
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:16,680
caught, but his role, he just. 
Got phased out. 

561
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,600
I don't think he got cut. 
Yeah, I, I, they. 

562
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,480
Yes, I remember that. 
Decreasing role, but actually 

563
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,200
took a long time for Dowdell to 
really be that relevant because 

564
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,400
right. 
The unfortunate thing was that 

565
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,720
it never, he never really became
the guy until like right when 

566
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,400
Dak got hurt. 
Like I remember it was the game 

567
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,520
against Pittsburgh, which I 
think was Dak's last full game 

568
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,240
before he got hurt the very next
week. 

569
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,760
And that was when Dowdle like 
kind of officially took. 

570
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,640
Over. 
I remember he smashed on 

571
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,680
Thanksgiving, right? 
Didn't he? 

572
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,120
He he, he like had, he had like 
a huge game of rush. 

573
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,200
Against the Giants rush, he he 
had a few big games down the 

574
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,320
stretch like 'cause once they 
got, I mean, that was. 

575
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:56,600
The huge, huge week 14 I think. 
They ran the ball all the time 

576
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,440
when they were in competitive 
script with rush, but then 

577
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,960
sometimes they would just get 
blown out and then it then it 

578
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,000
was over but. 
Basically, I, I am encouraging 

579
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:09,960
all of you to use your critical 
thinking skills and and not just

580
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,320
do pattern matching for this 
thing that just happened is 

581
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:16,320
going to be the thing that 
happens again and use that as 

582
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,760
your guide here. 
I, I remain A Jaden Blue is the 

583
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,280
only one that has an elite skill
in the entire backfield. 

584
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,520
So that is the one that. 
I What is that skill? 

585
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,200
Speed he fast is. 
It also like a pass catcher. 

586
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,320
Yeah, OK. 
He ran a 4.28. 

587
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:38,200
His breakaway numbers sucked 
like you're talking. 

588
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,560
About a guy who barely played, 
You're talking about a guy who. 

589
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,680
Like the? 
Percentage of his own yards like

590
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,680
is low like he's not. 
He didn't break. 

591
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,840
He didn't run long. 
No, he's a bad run. 

592
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,960
Yeah, so like the speed thing, 
I'm like, I don't know, like 

593
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,280
Woody Marks is fast, too. 
You breathe on when he falls 

594
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:57,680
down. 
Like, he's not a good breakaway 

595
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,000
runner. 
You know it's a problem. 

596
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:03,240
Woody Marks is not Woody Marks 
is not 428 at his pro day fast. 

597
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,200
You know who you know who the 
Elliot did get caught and the 

598
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,040
chat is saying that Dowdle 
wasn't anything until Zeke got 

599
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,520
caught. 
Which is both not true but also 

600
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,600
very funny if you just think 
about it for like 2 seconds. 

601
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,040
That like this guy never would 
have done anything if the team 

602
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:29,040
didn't cut his competition. 
I had I had another, Oh, you 

603
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:34,600
know who the the top 2 Rotaviz 
box score SIM SIM comps are for?

604
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,160
Jaden Blue. 
It's literally exactly you'd 

605
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,720
expect. 
It's Naheem Hines and Chris 

606
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:43,040
Thompson, two guys who were 
basically useless NFL players, 

607
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,560
but their teams it two different
seasons. 

608
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:50,840
The the two different seasons 
kind of were forced into playing

609
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,240
them and guess what they were 
they were pretty good. 

610
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,880
You you won a really high end 
Jaden blue comp. 

611
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,200
I'll I'll give you the I'll give
you the moon shot. 

612
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,320
It's a version of Raheem Mostert
that got drafted. 

613
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,600
Raheem Mostert was always a part
time player. 

614
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,880
Actually was recruited to Purdue
as a a track athlete, bounced 

615
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,360
around on four NFL teams before 
we ever found a role. 

616
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,840
The 49ers just let him go right,
because he couldn't stay 

617
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,400
healthy. 
Super Binks for the Miami 

618
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,400
Dolphins. 
I mean, I like these guys are 

619
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,720
similar archetypes of players, 
fast guys who like didn't play 

620
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,760
their best football until later.
Yeah, imagine. 

621
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,320
Imagine fading rookie Jaden Blue
when he's going to crush in 

622
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,920
2031. 
Dude, I, I Pat, I Derek pat. 

623
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,760
I'm asking you to guess how many
receptions rookie Naheem Heinz 

624
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,920
got. 17. 
No, he had a bunch. 

625
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,680
That was the he got installed 
right away. 

626
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,000
That was the year. 
It was super annoying. 

627
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,880
I mean, you're the Colts guy, 
but that they wouldn't use 

628
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,360
Donovan Taylor as a three down. 
No, that was that was actually 

629
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,400
20/20. 
His rookie year was was not that

630
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,280
his rookie year was the year 
that Marlon Mack got hurt and 

631
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,000
then he they tried 90 miles as 
like the real running back and 

632
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,200
then they eventually settled on 
Jordan Wilkins and then I think 

633
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:04,760
Mack eventually got 
reintegrated. 

634
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,800
Anyway, the answer is 63. 
He had. 63, I guess 60. 

635
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,320
As a rookie. 
Oh, I didn't hear you, so it 

636
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,040
doesn't count. 
The chat chat backed me up I 

637
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,120
guess 60 it was within 3. 
We believe you. 

638
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,680
He also had 63 receptions 2 
years later, which was the 

639
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,000
Phillip Rivers Jonathan Taylor 
year. 

640
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:28,840
Yeah, Nahim Hines, that's yeah, 
that's been basically my comp 

641
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,680
for blue all along too and is 
pretty obvious one and yeah. 

642
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,960
And and while we're here, he had
two kickoff return touchdowns in

643
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,120
one game six days after DeMar 
Hamlin went down. 

644
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,000
Not bad, just. 
Just keep an eye on Cavante 

645
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,760
Turpenhype because he like. 
The problem is that they might 

646
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,160
already have a guy who's going 
to play that exact role. 

647
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,000
All right, here's a here's a 
good here. 

648
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,360
Let's let's do this. 
Let's do this good bit. 

649
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,240
That's fair. 
Everyone guess how old Cavante 

650
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,240
Turpin is. 
This will be This will be a fun.

651
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,400
Bit is this, is this like the 
Rico Dowdle thing where I 

652
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:56,760
thought I was second year player
and he's a fifth year? 

653
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,680
This is it is exactly. 28 
because he was in like the USFL 

654
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,400
for a while or. 
Something August 27. 

655
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,320
He he is. 
He is 28 and turns 29 this year.

656
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,199
Wow. 
So I can go. 

657
00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:13,280
Yeah, so basically the point 
being, you know, I think we love

658
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,440
to bet on these things. 
Kevante Turpin. 

659
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,960
You know what? 
Kevante Turpin is really fun 

660
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,080
theory player. 
Really fun in theory to be like 

661
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:21,760
wait. 
Wait, wait. 

662
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,239
And how would you describe Jaden
Blue? 

663
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:26,719
Jaden Blue scored. 
Jaden Blue had to. 

664
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,400
I think, I think it was a rear, 
yeah. 

665
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,679
Yeah, they're both in theory. 
Jaden Blue had how was rosters 

666
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:34,080
in theory? 
OK. 

667
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:35,920
That's a, that's a fairpoint. 
Yeah. 

668
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,880
I've used this comp before and 
gotten pushed back fairly on it 

669
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,679
because they're very different 
types of of players physically. 

670
00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:48,560
But this does remind me of the 
year in Atlanta. 

671
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,320
So we were trying to figure out 
who the running back was and 

672
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:55,480
we're we're willing to take 
Quadri Otleson. 

673
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,680
We were taking that random 
school FA, who I cannot remember

674
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,000
for the life of me. 
Yeah, JV and Hawkins and it was 

675
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,680
Mike Davis. 
It was the year Mike Davis is 

676
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,480
going like the fifth round, 
which is absurd. 

677
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,520
Patterson and it The answer was 
quarter L Patterson, but he had 

678
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,560
wide receiver eligibility and on
the best. 

679
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,000
Thing I've ever done in my life 
was I actually drafted quarter L

680
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,200
pass. 
I drafted I I had like I had 

681
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,760
like 20 quarter L Patterson 
teams that year and didn't win. 

682
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,280
If it wasn't going to happen for
me, then it's not going to 

683
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:25,240
happen for me. 
Now, well, it's. 

684
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,760
Only. 
Is the is the overall point here

685
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,400
that Turpin is not to be 
ignored? 

686
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,160
Sounds like it Turpin's not to 
be ignored. 

687
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,160
I think Turpin's a part to this 
backfield in the in a way that's

688
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:38,920
that's, you know, not official 
for us, but is going to impact 

689
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:43,920
the other guys and potentially 
blue and, you know, might be the

690
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,720
only guy who's worth a damn at 
all in this. 

691
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:51,320
The other this the last point on
this would be Miles Sanders last

692
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:57,360
year only saw 55 carries he had 
-44 rush yards over expected. 

693
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:01,520
He was worse on a per touch 
basis than Javonte Williams in a

694
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,800
backfield in which Chuba Hubbard
was the third most efficient 

695
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,040
back in the league in rush yards
over expected behind only 

696
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,640
Derrick Henry and Saquon 
Barkley. 

697
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:17,080
So there's every chance that 
Sanders completely sucks and is 

698
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,000
even worse than Javonte Williams
and we just haven't seen it as 

699
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,920
recently. 
So to me, this is like, it's all

700
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,960
about price like this. 
Second it to Jacob's point 

701
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:28,560
earlier. 
If Sanders is going in the one 

702
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,080
30s and Javonte Williams is 
going in the one 70s, I would be

703
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:35,600
hammering Williams because I 
think, you know, the whole point

704
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,880
here is I might be able to bank 
a starter for cheap, but it has 

705
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,880
to be cheap. 
It has to be like very cheap 

706
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,320
because there's a real chance 
here that that just all these 

707
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,640
guys just totally suck and that 
Hunter Lipke, who we haven't 

708
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,800
talked about yet, is getting 
some some third down stuff and 

709
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:54,840
maybe. 
Even some goal lines. 

710
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,240
Lupke is going to play. 
Lupke's going to play. 

711
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,480
I mean, God, I can literally 
cannot believe we're doing 30 

712
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,160
minutes on this, but Lupke is 
going to play. 

713
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,600
Lupke is going to play a lot but
but I will cause. 

714
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,800
Javante just kind of is Hunter 
Leuke. 

715
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,200
So, yeah, but what's not, you're
not wrong. 

716
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:15,240
What I will say is that this is 
this is kind of a new, this is 

717
00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:17,600
kind of a new phenomenon. 
Leuke's better, dude. 

718
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,440
Have you guys been noticing this
trend of like running? 

719
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:27,560
Back for batch between Karin 
Javante and Hunter Leuke Leuke, 

720
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,920
I think the odds would be like 
Javante. 

721
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,560
One, one. 
No, no, he get, he'd be like 

722
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,960
-170 it wouldn't, he wouldn't 
hit the two hundreds, you know, 

723
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,360
'cause everyone would be too 
nervous. 

724
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,840
Lupke, Lupke will play, but not 
in the way that people are 

725
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,040
thinking. 
Lupke will play in the way that 

726
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,200
like go look at the Bengals snap
distribution from last year and 

727
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,480
you see like Drew sample played 
30% of the snaps. 

728
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,560
I, I don't remember, I don't 
remember Drew Sample touching 

729
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:01,200
the ball once like Lupke is like
they're full back, they're 4th 

730
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:05,240
running back, they're third 
tight end like his special team,

731
00:38:05,240 --> 00:38:08,120
Patrick's card. 
I just want you to get one 

732
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,080
start, one start so we can get 
the Sam Sherman tweet about how 

733
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,200
he's actually full back and no 
one should be talking about him 

734
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:15,640
starting this week. 
Yeah. 

735
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,040
We've talked about a lot of 
these other players on the 

736
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,160
risers list, you know, numerous 
times even. 

737
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:27,320
I think ETN is interesting. 
It's a pretty good move based on

738
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:28,920
what maybe it's two weeks in a 
row do. 

739
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:30,760
We have him last week too? 
And we've talked a lot about 

740
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,520
Jacksonville and, you know, we 
did get to double. 

741
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:38,040
Like people, people react very 
strongly to very limited 

742
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:39,840
information, right? 
Like we talked about this with 

743
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,120
Bash. 
You know, I think it's with 

744
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,520
Sanders, it's, it's what it's 
like that one tweet about he's 

745
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:46,960
getting reps with the first 
team. 

746
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,600
With ETN, It's it's I think 
similar stuff. 

747
00:38:51,240 --> 00:38:53,920
It's yeah, it's definitely like 
you get there's these uncertain 

748
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:55,760
situations. 
They're still uncertain. 

749
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,560
We get like a tiny little piece 
of the puzzle and people react 

750
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,200
very strongly to it cuz there's 
nothing else there. 

751
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,960
We'll see. 
I'm like ETN is now going ahead 

752
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,680
of Cam Scatabo. 
That's so tough. 

753
00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:10,400
I mean, I wasn't really that in 
on ETN before, but I could see 

754
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,920
the case now. 
I think it's too rich for me, 

755
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,640
but I don't know, maybe. 
You guys are more I, I see the 

756
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:19,640
case, the case is that he he he 
came out of the wilderness of 

757
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,080
being injured. 
He is like honestly, 

758
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:26,840
stylistically, if you think 
about the good ETN, he is more 

759
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,160
stylistically like Bucky Irving 
in the Liam Cohen offense, 

760
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:36,760
whereas Tank and Laquint and and
Tooten are sort of like, I don't

761
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,280
know, I guess maybe Tooten is 
closer stylistically too. 

762
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:41,360
But Tooten is a a fourth round 
pick. 

763
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,720
You know, fourth round picks 
don't hit all the time. 

764
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,080
What it is is it's a Lindy 
effect in which every day that 

765
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:51,200
ETN is not traded cut or that 
the coaching staff says it's a 

766
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,320
three man battle, may the best 
man win. 

767
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,040
People will gravitate towards 
what ETN has spent in the 

768
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,760
starting running back for the 
Jaguars for as long as, you 

769
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,600
know, underdog fantasy has 
existed effectively. 

770
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,080
So we're just going to keep 
taking that guy. 

771
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:08,640
I would guess that is probably 
not reflective of the true 

772
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,720
probability. 
I, I, I kind of think the true 

773
00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:15,600
probability is like 30, three, 
3333% in terms of like who leads

774
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,160
this backfield in rushes. 
And it will be sort of fluid. 

775
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,560
OK. 
I, I've been, I've been less 

776
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:28,120
bullish on Bixby than that, but 
I think it's ETN or, or Tootin 

777
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,480
will have a, you know, I think, 
I think Bixby would be a dog to 

778
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,120
those guys, but. 
What is? 

779
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:34,040
What is? 
I think it's. 

780
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,400
ETN in week 1 and then I think 
it's what does he depends on? 

781
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,000
Go for it. 
What is he good at? 

782
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,440
What? 
What does he do? 

783
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaking of, you know, Jaden 
Blue and his one trait, What, 

784
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:48,920
what, what am I getting from 
Etni? 

785
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,680
Maybe I just have too many 
memories of him getting, you 

786
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,200
know, six goal line carries in a
row and not scoring or 

787
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,040
something. 
Like I, you know, his pass 

788
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,240
catching got knocked coming out.
What, what, what, what, what's 

789
00:40:59,240 --> 00:41:01,720
the upside? 
I mean not in terms of a team 

790
00:41:01,720 --> 00:41:06,720
context, but a player 1. 
What is he good at today or what

791
00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:09,040
did he, what did he, what was he
good at like a couple years ago?

792
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:10,880
Because. 
I I don't if he wins the job 

793
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,640
through rational coaching, why 
would it be? 

794
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,360
I mean, I always thought ETN got
overheated during his peak 

795
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,200
because I think a lot of people 
I thought were, were kind of 

796
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:24,400
stubbornly out on him from time 
that he was a prospect. 

797
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,480
I think he's a better pass 
catcher than he's given credit 

798
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:27,720
for. 
I don't think that a lot of the 

799
00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:30,920
concerns about his pass catching
are necessarily translated, but 

800
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:37,440
I I do think that he's a as a 
runner, he's extremely reliant 

801
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,920
on athleticism because he's kind
of a straight line guy. 

802
00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:46,880
And he's just at least to me, 
hasn't showed the same juice 

803
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:51,680
since like, I mean, not even 
really 2023, like early season 

804
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:57,040
20/23/2022, but like latter half
2023, all of 2024. 

805
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:03,600
And and to the injury stuff, 
like I don't sure, but like he's

806
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,480
always banged up like he every 
every year he's been better at 

807
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,440
the beginning of the season than
the end of the season. 

808
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,840
So I I think it's fair to say. 
That he runs, he has the. 

809
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,400
Durability concerns as a 
workhorse and not even as much 

810
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:20,600
like durability concerns as in 
he will won't play, but we've 

811
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,840
seen his efficiency tail off 
from start of season to end of 

812
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:27,440
season 3 consecutive years. 
I think it's kind of a fair 

813
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,240
trend now as a running back in 
particular. 

814
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:35,680
They warm out. 
As the starter in Week 1, but I 

815
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:39,680
I still think that if Tootin 
gets a chance to play, and I 

816
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,920
think he will at some point, I 
just think he's going to look 

817
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:42,920
better. 
See. 

818
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,680
Under 4 yards per carry each of 
the last two years. 

819
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,520
Care about that? 
It's a it's a bubble gum card 

820
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:55,200
stat, but still. 
All right, Pat, anybody on this 

821
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,120
list do you want to jump in on? 
We had a few of these guys last 

822
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:03,080
week when you were away. 
Rice is going to keep rising, I 

823
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,600
think. 
This isn't the end of it, yeah. 

824
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,360
Kittle too. 
Kittle, I mean, Kittle's been 

825
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,680
one of the best picks on the 
board the whole way, so that 

826
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,800
makes sense. 
Chuba, I think is almost like 

827
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,680
almost kind of like replacing 
Mixon to some degree. 

828
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,320
Like you're like, and Harvey and
Harvey, yeah. 

829
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:21,720
So almost has nothing to do with
him. 

830
00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:26,200
So it's it's a little silly at 
the same time, he was very good 

831
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,120
as a runner last year. 
I think on underdog in 

832
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:32,520
particular, I'm I'm willing to 
kind of go there where it's it 

833
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:36,160
feels a little fragile on one 
level, like the zoomed out view 

834
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,880
is kind of fragile. 
It's like, you know, this on 

835
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:41,560
didn't end up getting. 
He was, I was going to say 

836
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,120
unheralded. 
He was heralded and then he was 

837
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,160
unheralded in his after his 
final season. 

838
00:43:45,720 --> 00:43:47,400
But he, you know, there's a 
little bit of pedigree to the 

839
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,400
prospect profile, but not as 
much as you'd like. 

840
00:43:49,720 --> 00:43:52,720
Takes him a couple years to 
establish himself, but I think 

841
00:43:52,720 --> 00:43:54,320
he's good. 
He's just not much of A pass 

842
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:55,720
catcher so it's a little bit 
limited. 

843
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:58,680
That seems fine. 
The Pacheco 1A. 

844
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,600
Hotter prospects? 
Sorry. 

845
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,960
Oh, I think we lost. 
Shows no, I, I'm I think I'm a 

846
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,640
little bit wonky here, so I'll, 
I'll come back. 

847
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:16,800
The Pacheco one I kind of get. 
So it's the same thing. 

848
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,920
It's the same thing as ETN every
day he's not injured every day. 

849
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,920
We don't have Andy Reid gassing 
up Rashard Smith or Eli Mitchell

850
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,720
or Kareem Hunt. 
It it's. 

851
00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:25,480
It's the. 
It's the. 

852
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,400
Well, Kareem Hunt's going to 
make the roster, it looks like. 

853
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,080
I am not that certain. 
I I feel like to me it kind of 

854
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,720
feels like a Max one Eli 
Mitchell, Kareem Hunt situation.

855
00:44:33,720 --> 00:44:37,480
I think they did a very small 
low amount of it's only $1.5 

856
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,560
million with a low amount 
guaranteed for Kareem Hunt. 

857
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:44,360
That felt like insurance for me 
based on, OK, we got Pacheco in 

858
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,040
camp. 
How healthy is he? 

859
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,360
Can we put do are we putting 
Pacheco on the pup like 

860
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,360
whatever. 
Because Eli Mitchell, if you 

861
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:54,200
guys remember so long time ago, 
he was the first signing of free

862
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,200
agency. 
It was the first tweet that 

863
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,680
Schefter sent. 
Like I, I think they, I think 

864
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,000
they wanted Eli Mitchell and the
the hunt. 

865
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,080
Was they sent out like a like 
like the way you would in 

866
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:06,720
Madden? 
You're just like you'd throw out

867
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:09,320
like a bunch of the same shitty 
offer. 

868
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,720
And then Mitchell was like, oh, 
sick, I'll. 

869
00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:16,360
Do it well, probably I don't 
like like if Rico Dowdle off 

870
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,440
1000 yard season got the exact 
same contract, there probably 

871
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,480
were not a ton of good offers 
out there. 

872
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,320
But if you're Dowdle, you're not
going to insta accept a shitty 

873
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:25,840
offer. 
You're like, hang on, hang on, 

874
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:30,400
let me go see But Eli Mitchell. 
You're like, yeah, this sounds 

875
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:31,520
great. 
Yeah, yeah. 

876
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,520
Well, I was going to say this 
does also come down to like 

877
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,640
philosophically, what are you 
thinking the Chiefs offense 

878
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,520
wants to be this year? 
Like do you think they are 

879
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,200
comfortable running back what 
they've been the last two years?

880
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,800
Because if so, Cream Hunt is a 
better fit for that. 

881
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:48,920
Cream Hunt. 0 explosive runs 
last year, Started 13 games, had

882
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:53,400
no runs over 20 yards. 
Eli Mitchell, very, very 

883
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,240
explosive runner in his car. 
I think he's got like a, a 32% 

884
00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:58,200
breakaway rate or something. 
But he just like really 

885
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,360
struggles to be available. 
He's like the most injured 

886
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:05,360
running back in the league. 
So if you think Chiefs are 

887
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:09,320
totally fine, just like dinking 
and dunking, you know, Mahomes 

888
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:13,040
plays like Gardner Minshew, who 
ironically is now his back at 

889
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,080
quarterback, right? 
And that's so funny. 

890
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,800
If you think they are going to 
do that again, then probably 

891
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,320
Kareem Hunt is the one you're 
taking. 

892
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:26,040
If you're more of a glass half 
full guy, I think Eli Mitchell 

893
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:30,240
is the one you you want. 
And I mean, if you want to do, 

894
00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:33,400
if you want to do a little bit 
of pattern matching. 

895
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:37,240
Richard Smith and Roshi Rice 
were, funnily enough, not only 

896
00:46:37,240 --> 00:46:40,000
just college teammates in the 
wide receiver room together at 

897
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,800
Southern Methodist University. 
Davis, are you out on 

898
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,080
Pachecoven? 
Are you saying, 'cause you're 

899
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:47,840
more? 
Last week Mitchell came up. 

900
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,280
I think you've been more 
consistently. 

901
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,000
The Chiefs are not going to 
revert to their fun form. 

902
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:59,440
Yeah, the the I mean, my my skin
in the game answer is that the 

903
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,880
Chiefs player I've drafted the 
most this year is Prashard 

904
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:03,520
Smith. 
He's the cheapest. 

905
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:05,800
He's got the widest range of 
outcomes. 

906
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:11,160
From doesn't make the team to is
the McKinnon to is the like. 

907
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,600
He could also kind of occupy 
like a Hardman. 

908
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:19,480
What was his name? 
The Oregon guy who now is insane

909
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:24,360
on D Anthony Thomas style style 
role on the on the team. 

910
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:30,560
And if if they are fun, if the 
Chiefs revert to form, Smith is 

911
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:34,400
the one that can just be like 
generating explosives left and 

912
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,480
right. 
Who was in the world not? 

913
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,160
Go ahead, Sir. 
No, you go, Pat. 

914
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,680
I was because there was the 2 
Williams, there was Daryl 

915
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,080
Williams, which isn't correct. 
It wasn't as fun, but. 

916
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,880
Damien. 
Damien Williams was the pun. 

917
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:53,560
And that's that's the. 
Rightful Super Bowl MVP. 

918
00:47:53,720 --> 00:47:56,720
Yes, correct you can say. 
It please, please, please do not

919
00:47:56,720 --> 00:48:00,320
like the literally the worst 
financial run bad of my life was

920
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:06,640
him not winning that sorry. 
Slowly followed by Cadarius Tony

921
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,000
at 100 to 1 not winning Super 
Bowl MVP two years ago when he 

922
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:11,800
went down on the five for the 
for the punt. 

923
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:16,320
By the way, Davis, in that game,
one of my best hits was Mahomes 

924
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,560
rushing under and he crushed it 
like in the second quarter, but 

925
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,160
then on his kneel downs he ran 
back 6 yards on each. 

926
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,000
One, he runs in the Super every 
time they've been in the Super 

927
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,960
Bowl, he he's the the first 
Super Bowl win, he lost 20 yards

928
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:30,000
on his final kneel. 
Down. 

929
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,280
That was the game, right? 
That's Damian Williams game, 

930
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,280
isn't it? 
That's their first San 

931
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,320
Francisco. 
Anyway, correct on Smith, yeah. 

932
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,960
Smith is the guy I want to 
believe in and the thing I like 

933
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:46,320
about him is that it's not maybe
just a a McKinnon type of role. 

934
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,720
Like he actually he was a real 
running back in his final 

935
00:48:49,720 --> 00:48:54,160
season. 
And this does feel like the 

936
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:58,040
depth chart is open. 
I mean, Pacheco on the one hand,

937
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,400
it could be the injury and he's 
going to be back to being 

938
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,720
Pacheco. 
On the other hand, this is kind 

939
00:49:03,720 --> 00:49:07,320
of where dead zone backs live 
now like this ADP, everyone's 

940
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,920
fallen and what could be more of
like a dead zone profile. 

941
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:12,440
This he's in the final year of 
his deal. 

942
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,400
He was a seventh round pick. 
The last time we saw him, he 

943
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:19,760
looked like absolute trash. 
He was being committed by Kareem

944
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:23,600
Hunt, who was gigawashed. 
And then we have this this guy 

945
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:27,240
who comes in who's actually 
explosive, a good pass catcher. 

946
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:32,480
The it's like if if I get any 
kind of the second, I get a 

947
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:34,880
report that like Smith is making
this team. 

948
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,000
I already got it. 
It's already. 

949
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:38,800
Bag. 
I haven't seen that. 

950
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:39,840
Send it. 
Send it along. 

951
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:45,720
Sweeney Sweeney Sweeney said the
first day of rookie mini camp 

952
00:49:45,720 --> 00:49:47,920
that he's trending towards 
making the team because he's 

953
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:49,520
such a good kick returner. 
Yep, all. 

954
00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:52,280
Right. 
I want better than trending. 

955
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,520
I want, I want trending. 
Yeah, trending is not. 

956
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:56,360
Let me here. 
I will, I will, I will. 

957
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,600
I will find it right now. 
I want I want lock. 

958
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,160
Idea I want he's he's in, he's 
the kick returner. 

959
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:05,040
If he's the kick returner, I 
mean. 

960
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,680
I mean, I got a new round pick. 
I can't draft 30% Mile Sanders. 

961
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:10,640
Anymore I'm. 
I'm just going to. 

962
00:50:10,720 --> 00:50:13,080
Yeah, I'm just going to hammer. 
Hammer Burchard Smith I. 

963
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:17,000
I agree so much, Pat Like I, I 
think with Pacheco especially 

964
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,000
because there's, to me, there's 
like a lag where I think the 

965
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:24,080
wide receiver tier extends just 
a little farther than the 

966
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:27,680
running back tier does. 
And I look at the guys that go 

967
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:32,280
like only really one round, 
maybe a round and 1/2 ahead of 

968
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:36,000
the Pacheco, the Aaron Jones, 
the Swift, Swift's also on this 

969
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,240
list. 
And to me, it's like I'm looking

970
00:50:39,240 --> 00:50:43,960
at guys like James Conner, Alvin
Kamara, the RJ Harvey, Trevion 

971
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,200
Henderson, like I don't even 
Judkins. 

972
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:51,920
Those guys seem like so much 
better bets to me than the group

973
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,280
of like Pacheco. 
They have to be Rob and Aaron 

974
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:58,880
Jones. 
Where like that, You know, I, I 

975
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,400
can't really say the Pacheco's 
price in his rank among running 

976
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,920
backs is unfair or unreasonable,
But like the running backs just 

977
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:07,840
ahead of him seem like way 
better to me. 

978
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:11,360
Whereas I look at the wide 
receivers and I, I feel not that

979
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:12,280
way. 
Like I feel like the wide 

980
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:15,440
receivers that you're looking at
at the end of round six are not 

981
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,640
that meaningfully different than
the group that I can look at at 

982
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:20,800
the end of round 7, early round 
date like I look at. 

983
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:22,000
Downs. 
If we were just re ranking, 

984
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,960
wouldn't downs? 
Wouldn't downs be in the 6th? 

985
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,120
Like why is it downs in the 
middle of the 6th? 

986
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:28,920
Right. 
What would you not make this 

987
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,320
list yet? 
I don't know, Checo versus 

988
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,680
Downs, I mean, frankly, even 
Pacheco versus Pittman, I mean, 

989
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:37,400
frankly, even versus a guy like 
a Buka, I'm like, I would way 

990
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,520
rather just click on those wide 
receivers and then draft the 

991
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:44,280
running backs a little bit 
earlier than than, you know, 

992
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:48,200
draft the wide receivers in five
and six and then draft like, 

993
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:50,440
because it's yeah, like that 
group is either like Aaron 

994
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,560
Jones, who might be totally 
washed, Pacheco and Swift who 

995
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,880
are like purely drafted on their
situation that everyone agrees 

996
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:58,680
sucks. 
Yeah. 

997
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:00,880
And and Brian Robinson is like 
almost no upside. 

998
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,400
It's it's like to me that falls 
off a Cliff where that is like 

999
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:07,400
the classic dead zone of like, 
well, there's a few more and. 

1000
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:08,520
You're running backs. 
Left. 

1001
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:10,360
Yeah. 
And it's like these guys are the

1002
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,640
RB-1, but no one really believes
in them. 

1003
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,200
B Rob. 
I was asked the other day about 

1004
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,280
B Rob. 
I didn't get to it in a in a 

1005
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:21,200
comment, but it was like, it's 
like he's you talk about a guy's

1006
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,840
being drafted purely for like 
the team he's on, not even for 

1007
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:28,000
the situation exactly because 
the situation is is that he's 

1008
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:32,520
like an early down guy who 
doesn't have a total lock on 

1009
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,520
those touches. 
They're going to design some 

1010
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:39,120
stuff you'd imagine for Debo and
they're going to throw to Debo 

1011
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,280
and Eckler and they do a bunch 
of short stuff like that doesn't

1012
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,160
really involve Robbins. 
So it's it's like at best you're

1013
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:48,040
like sick. 
I have this like pretty solid 

1014
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:54,800
RB2 and at worst, you know, 
you're like this guy, he does 

1015
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:56,400
nothing for me. 
It's not that he doesn't have 

1016
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,560
any touches. 
It's just like he he just rarely

1017
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,920
hits my roster like I can. 
I can never get any juice out of

1018
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,680
this, this ninth round pick or 
eighth round pick. 

1019
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,560
So yeah, I mean, you go up a 
couple rounds and you're looking

1020
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,720
at guys like Camara, you know 
who we just took in the main 

1021
00:53:11,720 --> 00:53:15,520
event, Great pick, but like his 
nothing. 

1022
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:19,080
You guys are just broken. 
I haven't watched it yet. 

1023
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,280
I'm trying to track down this. 
I'm trying to track down this 

1024
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,520
Sweeney quote about about 
particularly. 

1025
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,840
Sorry, I I was reading early 
voting data in the New York 

1026
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:33,240
mayoral race. 
That was that was a test. 

1027
00:53:33,240 --> 00:53:34,840
You guys failed the we I have 
no. 

1028
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:38,760
Idea what you said, I haven't 
changed like I just did my turn.

1029
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:40,040
I've been checking on the 
product. 

1030
00:53:43,240 --> 00:53:46,800
No, but like, OK, so Kamara is 
like the the grossest click 

1031
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:50,040
ever. 
Yeah, but he's going to he's 

1032
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,280
going to be like an RB-1 for as 
long as he's healthy. 

1033
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,200
The whole team's probably going 
to run through Camara. 

1034
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,680
It's disgusting. 
And it's going to be all volume 

1035
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,320
driven and it won't hold up 
which. 

1036
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:00,440
Is now what I'm assuming is the 
joke you made 2. 

1037
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:01,680
Minutes. 
That is the joke that I made. 

1038
00:54:01,720 --> 00:54:03,760
The joke is that you want to 
take him in the fourth round in 

1039
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:05,560
the main event because that's 
what we did, because we timed 

1040
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:05,800
out. 
That's. 

1041
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:09,720
How you do it, that's how you do
it's mused. 

1042
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:14,960
That's how professional does it.
You look at Camara's floor, it's

1043
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,160
still like reasonably high. 
There's not that much 

1044
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:18,800
competition, you know, in the 
1st. 

1045
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,680
Half of the year. 
Yeah, it could really hurt you 

1046
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:23,320
relative to the the opportunity 
cost. 

1047
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,360
But like compared to DeAndre 
Swift, he's got a higher floor. 

1048
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,920
Compared to like a Pacheco, he's
got a higher floor and he has a 

1049
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:30,640
higher ceiling. 
So I just, I completely agree 

1050
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:35,520
that like the like waiting for 
this kind of group of running 

1051
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,840
backs is, is probably not the 
right way to go unless you're 

1052
00:54:39,720 --> 00:54:41,960
hammering like scataboo and 
tootin. 

1053
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:46,240
Honestly, I think ETN still has 
more upside to the offensive 

1054
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:48,240
potential. 
Yeah. 

1055
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:51,120
And and at least ETN has like 
been really good. 

1056
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,800
I don't think he is anymore, but
he has been really good in the. 

1057
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,760
Past you can talk. 
Yourself into a scenario in 

1058
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,400
which he is again, if he if he's
a really good running back this 

1059
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:03,120
year, like just independently a 
situation like he just plays 

1060
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,280
really well. 
I will be surprised. 

1061
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:09,840
But I wouldn't be stunned if if 
like Isaiah Pacheco or DeAndre 

1062
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:14,720
Swift play as like an actually 
value adding real life running 

1063
00:55:14,720 --> 00:55:17,240
back. 
I would be quite stunned by by 

1064
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:21,040
that development If they if they
survive the season as the 

1065
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:25,080
starter and finishes the RB 17. 
That's seems yeah, possible to 

1066
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:25,800
likely. 
Yeah. 

1067
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,600
But like, that's not that scary 
to me if I'm fading them. 

1068
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:30,400
Like that will not be the reason
I have a bad year. 

1069
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,960
There's also Tony Pollard in 
this in this grouping, by the 

1070
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:36,880
way, There's a lot of. 
Name Pollard is also like really

1071
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:41,080
fragile yeah cuz it's it's to me
like Pat said like the the the 

1072
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:45,280
fragile bets and six at least 
are fragile with a lot of upside

1073
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,480
like Camaro and Connor. 
You can you can at least see 

1074
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:51,520
like I think way more upside. 
And then and then there's all 

1075
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:52,680
these really fun rookies that 
are. 

1076
00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:54,120
Good. 
Swift and Pollard I think are a 

1077
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:57,720
little bit different than some 
of the other like Swift and 

1078
00:55:57,720 --> 00:56:02,640
Pollard I think have a little 
bit more upside than even like 

1079
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:05,480
you know, certainly than Brian 
Robinson. 

1080
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:08,480
Pacheco's tough because if he 
just recaptures everything, 

1081
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:13,040
maybe he does get there. 
But but Pollard, I mean, you get

1082
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,880
the you get the quarterback 
upgrade, you get the willing to 

1083
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:17,760
use him as a as a workhorse 
running back. 

1084
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,240
It's kind of like discount Chuba
is what is what you're hoping 

1085
00:56:21,240 --> 00:56:25,640
for there. 
So but you don't have like game 

1086
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:27,080
breaking upside. 
I do agree. 

1087
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,280
With that, Pollard's a bit more 
like Aaron Jones to me, where 

1088
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,520
you get a guy that like used to 
be really good. 

1089
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:35,000
He's still OK but is not as good
anymore. 

1090
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:39,040
It's but not bad yet could 
become terrible at like any 

1091
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,480
moment given age and injury 
history. 

1092
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,560
And then you also have another 
guy there who the coaching staff

1093
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:46,800
keeps talking about how they 
want to make it more of a split 

1094
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,760
and you're kind of betting that 
the coaching staff is lying to 

1095
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:52,800
you, which makes it, I don't 
know, it makes it scary to me to

1096
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:54,920
bet on an old running back that 
the coaching staff says they 

1097
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:58,080
want to use less. 
But I understand how it could 

1098
00:56:58,080 --> 00:56:58,640
work. 
Out where? 

1099
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,600
Where are you at on Spears that 
I've had trouble getting excited

1100
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:03,080
about talking shit? 
Ton of Spears. 

1101
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:05,960
OK. 
I don't think he's that great 

1102
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,440
and he's he literally only has 
1ACL. 

1103
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:12,120
I think he's good. 
I I, I legitimately think he's 

1104
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:13,640
good. 
I I mean I've that obviously 

1105
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:16,640
didn't work out very well. 
Well, it didn't work out very 

1106
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:20,040
well for most of last year. 
He's a weird player where he was

1107
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:23,920
like actually awesome down the 
stretch and normally those 

1108
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,720
players get way over drafted the
next year, but I feel like 

1109
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:28,840
everyone's memory hold that 
entirely. 

1110
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,240
Like I feel like no one 
remembers that he was actually. 

1111
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,240
I don't know what that is. 
I agree with that. 

1112
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:37,160
I don't know what that is. 
It could be a tendency, the 

1113
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,680
Titans thing. 
There was a night game in Miami 

1114
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:43,520
where Miami needed it and just 
gave it away, and Spears might 

1115
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:45,120
have scored twice in that game. 
It was a kind. 

1116
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,040
Of a he did that was that was an
early game. 

1117
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:51,560
And that was the that was one of
the worst beats I've ever had 

1118
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,160
actually, because I remember I 
had a team in the main event 

1119
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,000
that Pollard scored a completely
meaningless touchdown when 

1120
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,600
Tennessee was already up by like
2 or 3 scores. 

1121
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:01,640
And Spears have been playing the
whole fourth quarter and they 

1122
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:03,960
subbed Pollard back in for one 
touchdown. 

1123
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,200
That beat me and I like almost 
anyway. 

1124
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:09,000
Thinking of I think would have 
been would have been two years 

1125
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:12,840
ago maybe, but still. 
Oh, I remember. 

1126
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,320
That was oh, I remember that 
game, the one that was the 1-2 

1127
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:18,600
years ago when they variable 
went for two down 14 and then 

1128
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:20,720
they got it and then they then 
Hopkins scored the game when he 

1129
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:22,040
touched it. 
Yeah, I remember that one. 

1130
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:25,160
And Mostert scored twice late 
when I needed to beat Mostert to

1131
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:28,240
get to the playoffs and he had 
nothing scored anyway. 

1132
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,600
Two years in a row with 
Tennessee, Miami night games. 

1133
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:34,040
I don't know. 
I think, I think Spears is like 

1134
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:37,040
clearly indecisive. 
I think Gretzky said this on the

1135
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:40,280
projection show with Leone. 
Two years in a row, Spears has 

1136
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:42,600
had over 8 yards after the catch
per reception. 

1137
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:45,440
Pollard has been under 5 in each
of those last two years. 

1138
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:48,360
Yeah, yeah, Pollard Pollard's 
decisively at this point. 

1139
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,280
Decisively Spears the much 
better pass down back. 

1140
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:54,440
And I mean, we've only seen him 
in a change of pace role. 

1141
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,920
So it's hard to have like that 
much confidence of what he is a 

1142
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:58,320
rusher. 
But he's he's had some 

1143
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:02,200
interesting miss tackle force 
indicators that strikes me as 

1144
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,280
saying like he's at least like a
confident rusher. 

1145
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:09,360
And I think that if Pollard were
to go down, you're you're 

1146
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:12,160
getting a very interesting 
contingent outside bat and I 

1147
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:13,800
think you're getting a pretty 
good stand alone role. 

1148
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:17,320
So to me, like he's like kind of
a younger, more ascending 

1149
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:21,440
version of like the Ramondre 
Naji bat where it's like a 

1150
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:25,680
timeshare plus contingent value.
But to me, instead of Ramondre 

1151
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:28,040
and Naji being guys that are 
very front weighted where it's 

1152
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:31,280
like they're going to start 
maybe in a 5050 and then 

1153
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:33,840
probably gradually decline over 
the course of the year. 

1154
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:39,560
Spears you're you're hoping 
maybe starts as a 3565, but 

1155
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:41,520
could potentially ascend over 
the course of the year. 

1156
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:43,760
I I just find that a more 
interesting version of that bat.

1157
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:46,200
Jacob, have you considered that 
he's too wittle? 

1158
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:50,320
Too little. 
I haven't considered that, but 

1159
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:52,480
I'm gonna ponder on it. 
Yeah, you've got time. 

1160
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:57,120
Now I wanna make sure we spend 
some time on the quarterback 

1161
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:59,800
topic that we advertised. 
So let's. 

1162
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:04,520
Comment really caught me. 
Don't put it on the screen all 

1163
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:05,320
right? 
Or do. 

1164
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,440
It's about his own mom. 
I think if it's your own mom, 

1165
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:11,760
you can. 
I mean this, you know, it's a 

1166
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:13,800
proud son. 
It is a really weird joke to 

1167
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:17,760
make about your own mom. 
It's like you always have the 

1168
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:22,120
jokes, but there's a it's an 
undervalued field of my Mama 

1169
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:23,560
jokes. 
My Mama jokes. 

1170
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:30,080
We've got the chat asking we 
might need to move on to 

1171
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:33,320
Ballers. 
Ballers, we've we've talked 

1172
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:37,120
about Jack Bash already today. 
Luther Burden, Travis Hunter, 

1173
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:38,920
Have we talked about any of 
these guys before? 

1174
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:41,840
Xavier Worthy and well, let's 
let's get. 

1175
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:45,360
Status check from Jacob on on 
defensive back Travis Hunter. 

1176
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:49,760
Yes, yes, I mean, Oh my God, 
those two tweets were incredible

1177
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:53,560
stuff by the Jaguars because 
literally they were released at 

1178
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:56,920
like the exact same time. 
And you know, you check the 

1179
01:00:56,920 --> 01:01:00,440
quote tweets and it's like the 
DB one got like five times the 

1180
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:03,400
amount of quote tweets as the 
wide receiver one because, you 

1181
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:06,840
know, fantasy people got to get 
got to get their their their 

1182
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:09,920
interactions. 
I wrote up my most recent sub 

1183
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:13,160
stack post is all about Hunter 
and it's specifically not in 

1184
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:16,080
response to those social media 
posts, but in response to I 

1185
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:18,360
think a pretty substantive and 
meaningful James Gladstone 

1186
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:22,320
interview where he said, you 
know, don't read too much into 

1187
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:23,600
that. 
He's played a lot more offense 

1188
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:27,040
than defense and camp. 
That's because it's more complex

1189
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,160
to learn the offense and the 
defense and because he's more 

1190
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:31,120
natural playing defense from 
college. 

1191
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:33,920
We're probably going to have him
wrap up on defense more 

1192
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:35,560
throughout the summer and he's 
going to play both ways. 

1193
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:40,120
And I think that that's that's a
meaningful take for sure and is 

1194
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:42,960
a little it's, it's AI think a 
different framing of what 

1195
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:45,240
they've done than some of the 
comments Liam Cohen made 

1196
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:48,520
immediately after drafting him 
and what you'd read into the 

1197
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:51,800
practice data. 
So I did a piece just sort of 

1198
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:55,480
trying to articulate a range of 
outcomes based on, you know, 

1199
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:58,760
take away X number of wide 
receiver snaps for defensive 

1200
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:02,000
snaps and how, how do we think 
that would affect his overall 

1201
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:05,520
target share output? 
I think that the thought is a 

1202
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:10,880
little bit overstated because 
one, I think there's like a firm

1203
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:16,960
floor at about like 120 to 140% 
of total snaps. 

1204
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:20,080
If if you if you say like he 
plays 100% of offense and 

1205
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:23,520
defense, if you all that 200% 
snaps, I think it's like a firm 

1206
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:26,240
floor of 120 to 140. 
Because if you're only going to 

1207
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:30,200
play him like half the snaps on 
both, that doesn't make any 

1208
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:32,160
sense. 
You'd rather just play him 100% 

1209
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:35,520
of snaps on one and not have him
learn 2 positions and fuck up 

1210
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:38,160
all your rotations. 
The only benefit to playing in 

1211
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:41,080
both ways is if you're playing 
in more snaps then he would 

1212
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:44,680
otherwise play if he just played
one side of the ball full time. 

1213
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:46,320
Like otherwise it's just 
completely. 

1214
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:47,440
Irreal. 
They have also talked up his 

1215
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:49,160
stamina and it's a pretty big 
way. 

1216
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:52,080
They're just like, he literally 
does not get tired. 

1217
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:56,640
And we should just, yeah, like 
accept that that is a thing he's

1218
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:59,360
able to do. 
And it's crazy. 

1219
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:03,520
But like we're, we're seeing it 
and we want to, we don't want to

1220
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:05,320
ignore that. 
Right. 

1221
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:10,040
And and he played like, I think 
it was over 1400 snaps last year

1222
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:15,200
total in a much shorter season. 
So, so I think that there's even

1223
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:18,360
if he if he plays basically 
equally on defense and offense, 

1224
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:22,880
I still think he's going to play
60 to 7060 to 75% of the 

1225
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:26,000
offensive snaps. 
And I think that it's reasonable

1226
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:28,920
to suspect that a 
disproportionate portion of his 

1227
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:33,320
offense snaps that he sits are 
going to be run plays, not all 

1228
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:35,560
of them, but about a higher 
portion than the ones that he 

1229
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:40,120
does play. 
And then, you know, there's 

1230
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:43,600
gonna there's an element of 
selection bias for the same 

1231
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:47,560
reasons that you don't want to 
look at like Cadarius Tony's 

1232
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:49,760
targets per route run and go, 
well, if he ran all of the 

1233
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:51,840
routes, he would have a 28% 
target share. 

1234
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:55,960
You also have to kind of apply 
this logic in reverse, where 

1235
01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:58,640
let's let's pretend that we had 
a crystal ball. 

1236
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:00,720
We knew that if Travis Hunter 
ran every single route, he would

1237
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:04,400
have a 25% target share. 
You know, you take away 20% of 

1238
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:08,240
the routes, you apply that 
linearly, he would be down to a 

1239
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:10,480
20% target share. 
In reality, you'd probably be 

1240
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:14,640
more like 22/21/22 because some 
of the routes that he comes off 

1241
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:17,040
the field to give him a, a 
break, they're just going to 

1242
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:20,200
call, you know, a screenplay for
Parker WA or it's going to be a 

1243
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:22,760
first redesign look for Brian 
Thomas, something that Hunter's 

1244
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:25,040
not a big part of the plan on. 
And they're going to, they're 

1245
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:27,080
going to center him in the plays
that he does play. 

1246
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:32,880
So that's all of the that's all 
the cope that I have. 

1247
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:37,080
I also think it's very fun that 
he is falling because the nice 

1248
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:39,320
thing is there, there are a lot 
of other bets in the first round

1249
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:40,960
that are interesting or in the 
fourth round that are 

1250
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:44,000
interesting. 
And I think there are far less 

1251
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:46,040
in the 5th, especially a wide 
receiver. 

1252
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:50,880
So if he's going to fall, which 
I think he should, he'll you 

1253
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:53,080
know, I was ahead of market on 
his previous price. 

1254
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:56,440
So I will drop him and still be 
ahead of market on his new price

1255
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:58,680
and at this point. 
He falls from here. 

1256
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:02,840
Yeah, I think I think he will 
because I mean I had him about 

1257
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:05,520
around ahead of ADP before and 
I'm still going to probably have

1258
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:07,320
him, but around ahead ADP at his
new price. 

1259
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:11,080
I think he's going to wind up in
like the mid 5th is my guess. 

1260
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:15,400
I mean, I've seen people that 
are like hunter bears that think

1261
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:17,240
he should fall way more than 
that. 

1262
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:21,160
I don't think I think people 
will price enforce find people. 

1263
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:27,960
But yeah, I think I think once 
he gets past like like the 

1264
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:30,480
Kittle Hertz group, because like
that's I'm trying to think of 

1265
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:33,720
guys that I'm like taking 
advantage of the hunter fall to 

1266
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:37,120
get more of and like Hertz 
Kittle or two Worthy's a guy 

1267
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:39,400
that I I've been drafting more 
of now. 

1268
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:41,280
Hampton's a guy I've been 
drafting a lot more of. 

1269
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:42,920
Now. 
These are all very exciting 

1270
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:45,880
players, but like, I'm not going
to take Chuba Hubbard ahead of 

1271
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:47,000
him. 
I'm not taking Calvin Ridley 

1272
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:48,880
ahead of him. 
I'm not even taking Waddle ahead

1273
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:50,800
of him. 
So I think like the mid 5th, 

1274
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:53,000
unless we get something that 
says like he's just going to 

1275
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:55,960
play way more on defense than 
offense, I think the mid 5th is 

1276
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:59,760
like his temporary for. 
Pat Indy, Jack Pat Indy. 

1277
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:03,720
Jacksonville is sort of shaping 
up nicely at that, at the like 

1278
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:07,280
one O 11-O2 range with Jonathan 
Taylor in two and then Hunter 

1279
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:10,520
now end of four downs, even 
maybe in six. 

1280
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:12,200
Like that's a game. 
You can have seven there. 

1281
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:15,480
Yeah, of course. 6-7 turn. 
I like that. 

1282
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:21,040
Yeah, I'm generally with Jacob 
here where I think like 

1283
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:26,600
Kadarius, Tony is kind of a 
weirdly interesting comp for the

1284
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:30,440
purposes of just thinking 
through like what targets per 

1285
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:34,040
outrun might look like for a guy
like Hunter. 

1286
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:38,880
We're like, and, and this is 
weird cuz Tony's been a, a true 

1287
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:43,040
bust, but this is, I mean this 
in a bullish way where he ran 

1288
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:47,400
less than 200 routes in his 
rookie season, but he averaged 

1289
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:52,760
5.3 targets per game. 
He was on a pace to hit 90 

1290
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:56,320
targets. 
Jameson Williams had 92 targets 

1291
01:06:56,320 --> 01:07:01,640
last year in 16 games. 
Roma Dunsay was at 96. 

1292
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:05,240
Darnell Mooney was at 100. 
Jalen Waddle was only at 83. 

1293
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:08,720
So there's like, this isn't a 
range where it's like, you know,

1294
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:14,560
you're already kind of OK and 
then Tony sucked. 

1295
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:18,720
You know, that's the other thing
is that you have like a the 

1296
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:24,200
potential for him to not run 
that many routes, but still be 

1297
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:27,480
fairly productive for fantasy 
because they're just going to 

1298
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:32,360
they're going to be scheming him
the ball in a way that's very 

1299
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:34,560
uncommon and unusual. 
But of course it is. 

1300
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:38,120
He's playing defensive back. 
So they're they're trying to 

1301
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:40,440
make sure when he's they're 
making the most of his snaps. 

1302
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:42,760
He's the second overall pick. 
He's a generational talent. 

1303
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,400
He's top of mind. 
So there's going to be there's 

1304
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:48,880
going to be a little bit of a 
different style of usage them 

1305
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:50,800
we're used to. 
So if he has 60% round 

1306
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:53,360
participation, normally you'd be
like, that's a huge red flag for

1307
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:56,960
the 4th or fifth round. 
I think he, you know, Tony had a

1308
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:59,360
27% targets per outrun. 
I think we could see something 

1309
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:01,120
like that pretty easily for 
Travis Hunter. 

1310
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:06,400
So I do agree. 
I was never as in as Jacob, you 

1311
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:09,680
know, when he was in the 4th. 
So I kind of, I kind of 

1312
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:13,640
appreciate the fall a little 
bit, but I like, I mean the 

1313
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:17,640
fifth round, I, I, I like it. 
I think it's a a big upside 

1314
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:21,080
swing. 
Dude gets open like in Matt 

1315
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:23,439
Harmon's reception perception, 
he was off the charts. 

1316
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:26,880
Some of the metrics and stuff. 
He's not like a perfect 

1317
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:29,760
prospect, but he was like 
literally also playing full time

1318
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:31,880
defensive back and winning the 
Heisman while doing so. 

1319
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:35,439
So I think you're getting that, 
you're getting now a little bit 

1320
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:40,160
more of the discount for the 
floor of and maybe it's not even

1321
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:43,080
floor, maybe it's ceiling. 
It's like, is his ceiling 

1322
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:46,640
actually more limited relative 
to the talent because he's just 

1323
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:49,359
never going to play 90? 
Percent around I think. 

1324
01:08:49,359 --> 01:08:53,080
I think the. 
I think the feeling is, I think 

1325
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:56,920
the feeling is never that 
limited because, or at least not

1326
01:08:56,920 --> 01:09:00,399
in the later weeks because I 
continue to think and I, and I 

1327
01:09:00,399 --> 01:09:03,439
did this in my piece through 
like an Excel formula. 

1328
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:08,359
But I, I just think that his 
routes remain correlated to his 

1329
01:09:08,359 --> 01:09:10,000
talent of the wide receiver 
position. 

1330
01:09:10,359 --> 01:09:12,880
And I, and I think the better he
looks at the wide receiver 

1331
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:16,800
position, the more routes he 
will run and the worse he looks,

1332
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:18,359
the, the fewer routes he will 
run. 

1333
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:24,120
And so from the ceiling 
perspective, I, I think kind of 

1334
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:29,439
regardless of the noise, if you 
believe he is potentially an 

1335
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:33,840
elite wide receiver from jump, 
then I don't think that routes 

1336
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:37,160
are going to be a major concern 
for you because either he will 

1337
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:40,880
run a lot of them or they will 
just force him the ball whenever

1338
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:42,399
he's out there and he'll run 
enough of them. 

1339
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:47,319
I think that the floor is 
horrible because if he's not 

1340
01:09:47,319 --> 01:09:49,680
that good as a wide receiver, 
he's very good as a defensive 

1341
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:52,359
back and and that the scales 
will continue. 

1342
01:09:52,359 --> 01:09:55,600
To that, that's like, that's 
like the nightmare, that's like 

1343
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:56,000
the. 
Nightmare. 

1344
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:56,800
Yeah, he's. 
Awesome. 

1345
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:58,440
Yeah, is it? 
But like I. 

1346
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:00,840
But it won't happen. 
It's just like we're all. 

1347
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:01,920
I mean, he is awesome. 
He's. 

1348
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:03,600
All going to lose anyway, Like I
don't. 

1349
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:05,840
Yeah, like. 
Oh, he's definitely awesome as a

1350
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:08,880
defensive back. 
But you don't make the move I 

1351
01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:11,640
generally Jacksonville, you 
don't make the move Jacksonville

1352
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:13,880
made and just have him play 
corner. 

1353
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:15,320
I mean, you're not saying 
entirely. 

1354
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:16,760
Oh, he's going. 
He's going to get a very real 

1355
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:19,160
chance at wide receiver, not 
least of which because if you 

1356
01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:22,320
just pretend, like pretend on 
your mind that Travis Hunter 

1357
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:26,000
plays only defensive back, the 
Jaguars now have an offensive 

1358
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:29,520
Brian Thomas, Diami Brown, 
Parker Washington, Bretton 

1359
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:32,400
Strange, that is like 
disgusting. 

1360
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:34,680
But they they need Hunter to be 
part of the offensive plan. 

1361
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:37,040
They can't rely on Diami Brown 
as their number. 

1362
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:39,000
Two, there's no doubt that he 
will be. 

1363
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:42,680
I think the danger zone is that 
he's down around 40% around 

1364
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:45,240
participation and that could 
happen 80%. 

1365
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:48,720
You talk about 1/20 as a floor, 
okay, but he's playing 80% on 

1366
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:52,920
the defensive side and and 40% 
on the the offensive side. 

1367
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:56,280
So you get to 120 that way. 
I think that's pretty plausible,

1368
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:59,280
and in part for. 
One of my spreadsheet in the in 

1369
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:01,320
the range of outcomes, this is 
the 4080, yeah. 

1370
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:07,920
Yeah, maybe I've read your 
articles, maybe, but but yeah, I

1371
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:09,720
mean, I think that's pretty, 
pretty likely. 

1372
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:13,680
I mean, he like his ability to 
close on some of those like 

1373
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:17,480
throws to the flat and stuff. 
It's like it's kind of magical, 

1374
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:21,280
like he could be they, they 
could just be like, we can't 

1375
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:24,160
take this guy off the field on 
defense. 

1376
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:29,160
Like he could be too good to to 
play as much as we'd like on 

1377
01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:31,800
offense. 
I I think that's like that's 

1378
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:35,160
very realistic. 
So yeah, I guess it really does 

1379
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:36,720
come down. 
It's more about the floor. 

1380
01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:38,480
I don't know, it's it's kind of 
about everything. 

1381
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:41,200
Like does does he play enough 
receiver is just the question. 

1382
01:11:41,480 --> 01:11:44,440
Yeah, I, I did that podcast with
Cody Alexander from Match 

1383
01:11:44,440 --> 01:11:48,000
Quarters and he was assistant 
defensive coordinator under Art 

1384
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:51,600
Briles at Baylor. 
And he, he was telling me he's 

1385
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:55,320
like, dude, if I was his coach, 
I'd be like, yeah, you're, 

1386
01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:59,400
you're with the defense every 
day because for practice, 

1387
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:02,160
because guess what? 
You can walk in the huddle and 

1388
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:05,000
Trevor Lawrence can just say, 
hey, go run a post. 

1389
01:12:05,480 --> 01:12:08,360
Whereas on defense, you, you 
don't have anyone who can tell 

1390
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:11,480
you what you're doing. 
You have to know your role 

1391
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:14,000
inside of each individual 
assignment. 

1392
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:18,560
Like you have to know it it 
basically he could probably be 

1393
01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:21,720
efficient and effective as a 
wide receiver without practicing

1394
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:25,360
there at all, whereas that will 
not happen on defense. 

1395
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:28,640
I don't know if I agree with 
that because wide is so much 

1396
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:31,360
like timing and being at the 
right spot at the right time and

1397
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:35,760
you know, communicate like, I 
don't know, you want that mind 

1398
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:37,160
meld with the quarterback a 
little bit. 

1399
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:42,080
This, this just seems like to 
me, like every offensive person 

1400
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:44,400
who comments on this is like, 
look man, you don't even 

1401
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:46,400
understand offense. 
You don't even understand, Yeah.

1402
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:48,640
He's got to play offense and 
then every defense person is 

1403
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:51,440
like no, no, no, no, no. 
Defense is so much more. 

1404
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:52,480
Complete. 
That's such. 

1405
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:54,640
A in the modern age. 
Yeah. 

1406
01:12:55,440 --> 01:12:58,240
I I kind of have. 
Like he's got to practice every 

1407
01:12:58,240 --> 01:12:59,800
day with the specialty. 
He's like. 

1408
01:12:59,880 --> 01:13:02,840
I I just kind of have that Joe 
Rogan thing going on with ball 

1409
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:06,600
knowers where whatever you tell 
me, I'm just like absolutely 

1410
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:08,560
total, yeah, that makes total 
sense. 

1411
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:11,360
And then and then. 
I don't wish Joe Rogan thing 

1412
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:15,320
that you have the only one of. 
Them and then and then Jacob 

1413
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:17,240
will tell me a smart ball 
knowing thing and I'm like, 

1414
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:19,560
yeah, AB totally that makes 
total. 

1415
01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:21,320
Sense. 
It's like whatever the most 

1416
01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:23,920
recent thing I just heard is the
most convincing thing I've ever 

1417
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:27,440
heard. 
The the Tony comp was, I know, a

1418
01:13:27,440 --> 01:13:31,800
little bit weird. 
I think Super Ninja Cow Go Moo's

1419
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:33,560
mom is an even weirder comp 
here. 

1420
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:35,280
You know who else plays beside 
the ball? 

1421
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:37,960
My mom on Only Fans. 
Still no. 

1422
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:39,440
Link show within the show. 
There's no within the. 

1423
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:43,480
Show not to I like. 
Like, can we call Detective 

1424
01:13:43,480 --> 01:13:45,280
Olivia Benson? 
Like I'm getting concerned. 

1425
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:50,520
Detective, anything quickly on 
on Loveland just giving. 

1426
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:52,600
Out nothing on that reference. 
The show's been on the air for 

1427
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:55,520
25 years. 
No idea who that is. 

1428
01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:56,760
Are you serious? 
It's. 

1429
01:13:57,400 --> 01:13:58,440
It's in our intro. 
Don't. 

1430
01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:00,520
What it used? 
To be before we got oh, I've 

1431
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:03,960
never, I've never watched, I've 
never watched that show. 

1432
01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:05,120
Same here. 
I don't. 

1433
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:07,960
Know law and order. 
How have you not like that show 

1434
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:11,480
you don't choose to watch? 
Law and order like she's like, 

1435
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:14,640
it's just. 
Yeah, SVU was just on like how's

1436
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:19,840
not been in a room with SVU on? 
Well, as established, I don't 

1437
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:22,880
leave the house much. 
My parents were not TV watchers 

1438
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:27,920
and I'm not really ATV watcher 
so it just good for you hasn't 

1439
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:29,560
hasn't come up. 
Yeah, it's it's not on. 

1440
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:31,640
If you're sitting outside with 
your dog in the kiddie pool, 

1441
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:34,640
there's no SBU. 
There it's not you know, I'm I'm

1442
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:38,280
I'm reading, I'm reading, you 
know, whatever, whatever 

1443
01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:44,000
bullshit I think makes me smart 
at the at the time, the. 

1444
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:47,520
Luther Burden, though, by the 
way, to totally switch gears. 

1445
01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:51,720
Like it's fair that he's falling
because he hasn't been 

1446
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:56,040
practicing, but this is such a 
gift to have of this profile 

1447
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:57,600
available at this section of the
draft. 

1448
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:01,600
Cuz this was like a wide 
receiver desert prior where like

1449
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:04,920
if you didn't have your if you 
didn't, however many wide 

1450
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:08,680
receivers I had at the end of 
round 8 was how many wide 

1451
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:11,720
receivers I typically had 
entering round 14. 

1452
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:13,840
Yeah. 
And sometimes that number was 4.

1453
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:15,440
And that made me deeply 
uncomfortable. 

1454
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:18,480
But having Luther Burden 
available now in the 10th is 

1455
01:15:18,480 --> 01:15:21,160
just like an absolute auto 
click. 

1456
01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:24,200
If I don't have enough wide 
receivers, you just draft Luther

1457
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:27,560
Burden injects them upside into 
your into your line up and 

1458
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:30,320
you're pumped about it. 
Love it. 

1459
01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:35,760
Loved reading Matt Waldman on 
Burden, very optimistic and 

1460
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:38,040
exciting. 
Yeah, Burden Waldman, he would 

1461
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:40,400
be the type of guy I would 
expect to hate Burden. 

1462
01:15:40,480 --> 01:15:43,040
So that actually that actually. 
Yeah, that is pretty. 

1463
01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:47,920
Bullish, yeah. 
Anything on anything on Loveland

1464
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:51,920
that isn't injury related, Just 
a small dip on him. 

1465
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:54,320
Well, it just feels like 
everyone, it just feels like 

1466
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:58,360
everyone should have realized 
that he was injured and then 

1467
01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:00,840
like it seems like they just 
like everyone kind of had this 

1468
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:05,600
mass consciousness awakening 
about a week ago that he's 

1469
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:08,120
injured. 
They haven't like what I would 

1470
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:12,960
say is it's not priced in. 
When he misses the first part of

1471
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:16,520
training camp, he will fall. 
Like I'm not saying don't take 

1472
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:20,320
him at all yet, but like if your
word and I because I am, I 

1473
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:24,560
Loveland shows up and I'm I 
don't take him as much as I 

1474
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:30,280
would like to, but I think I'm 
going to get plenty of them 

1475
01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:32,160
later. 
That's that's how I'm playing it

1476
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:33,960
right now. 
I think he falls. 

1477
01:16:35,480 --> 01:16:37,720
This stuff is rarely fully 
priced because he's going to 

1478
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:40,240
miss time. 
Like, I don't think he'll like 

1479
01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:42,840
probably a couple weeks of 
training camp, maybe even more. 

1480
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:47,080
And we saw Ben Johnson do the 
rant about you got to be here, 

1481
01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:51,120
you got to be available. 
That got applied to Burden and 

1482
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:53,600
he fell and you know, he did 
miss time. 

1483
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:56,400
But that is going to apply more 
to Loveland once we get to 

1484
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:59,480
training camp and and Ben 
Johnson being a total hard ass 

1485
01:16:59,920 --> 01:17:03,120
and then also having Cole Comet 
there, who is probably going to 

1486
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:06,720
coincidentally look great doing 
everything we asked while while 

1487
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:08,840
Loveland's rehabbing his 
shoulder. 

1488
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:12,560
I just think it's going to lead 
to him falling and we're going 

1489
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:14,840
to get at least like probably 
another 10 picks on this. 

1490
01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:18,280
Plus it's rookie tight end, 
quote tight end with a lot of 

1491
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:20,720
competition. 
I mean, you can get Ferguson 

1492
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:25,120
crafts and Joku kind of right 
there and then other guys later.

1493
01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:29,560
I think you're right. 
Yes, yeah, quarterbacks. 

1494
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:32,800
So let me just go 1 by 1 here 
with you guys and see how close 

1495
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:34,680
I came. 
I'm sure I'm way off on Dave, on

1496
01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:36,520
Jacob rather. 
I know he's not just waiting for

1497
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:40,360
Daniel Jones back from the open.
But Jacob, to start with you 

1498
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:45,880
when what's your philosophy on 
especially the top three guys 

1499
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:49,600
here and you know, Daniels in 
particular, maybe because he's 

1500
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:52,880
just not as easily stackable 
still like how are you 

1501
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:56,320
approaching it? 
Well, this is also another one 

1502
01:17:56,520 --> 01:18:01,760
of the things that I'm trying to
do with letting Hunter fall is 

1503
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:03,440
drafting more league quarterback
teams. 

1504
01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:08,600
Also also with letting Harvey 
fall is you get a little bit 

1505
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:10,400
more Jalen Hurts. 
Not early five slot. 

1506
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:14,160
Yeah, I entered. 
I I checked, I checked my 

1507
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:17,880
exposures recently and I'd 
realized I was very low on the 

1508
01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:20,760
elite quarterbacks and I 
probably want to be a little 

1509
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:25,840
bit, but not as low, not as low 
as I was. 

1510
01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:27,720
So I made a pretty specific 
point. 

1511
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:30,920
I hopped in like a bunch of what
was it the schnauzer? 

1512
01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:37,040
Yeah, I don't know some sort of 
that I, I like, I think that was

1513
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:40,240
the one that's the 20 Max entry 
and I and I and I maxed it and I

1514
01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:44,000
think I drafted like Lamar or 
Jayden Daniels and in 60% of 

1515
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:47,360
those just to kind of like spice
up my life a little bit. 

1516
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:52,760
I, I would say I'm taking AI 
think that the order of the top 

1517
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:57,840
three is incorrect. 
I think that it should be Jayden

1518
01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:04,120
1, Lamar 2 and Allen 3. 
And you guys know, I'm, I'm 

1519
01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:08,800
willing to to press that point. 
So I think that my hopeful end 

1520
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:14,320
exposure will be something like 
Jayden 10, Lamar 6, Allen 0. 

1521
01:19:15,480 --> 01:19:18,200
Hertz, I think should just 
clearly be going in that group 

1522
01:19:18,280 --> 01:19:20,080
and it doesn't really make any 
sense why he isn't. 

1523
01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:24,080
So I, I will be, he'll be the 
only one that I'm like 

1524
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:27,480
materially overweight. 
And then Burrow is like, I don't

1525
01:19:27,480 --> 01:19:30,320
even, I don't think about Joe 
Burrow cuz it's just very if, if

1526
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:33,040
I have Chaser Higgins and he's 
available to me in the sixth, 

1527
01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:35,560
then I take Joe Burrow and 
otherwise I don't. 

1528
01:19:35,560 --> 01:19:38,120
So I like never make a Joe 
Burrow decision. 

1529
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:47,120
Why do you think Alan's third? 
I just think that the well, I'll

1530
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:49,480
first speak on very. 
Very diplomatic would ask that 

1531
01:19:49,480 --> 01:19:50,800
chip. 
Yeah, it. 

1532
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:51,520
Was. 
No, it's. 

1533
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:54,560
It's the question I'd want to 
ask if I were listening, that's 

1534
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:56,640
all. 
Explain it. 

1535
01:19:57,600 --> 01:19:59,600
This is like. 
This is this is the less 

1536
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:03,400
diplomatic way to ask that. 
Why 0 Allen, do you hate sax? 

1537
01:20:03,480 --> 01:20:05,840
Yeah, that's. 
What I do here, that's what I do

1538
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:12,320
here. 
So I think that Daniels, but the

1539
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:16,440
Russian quarterbacks, what we've
typically seen is that the the 

1540
01:20:16,440 --> 01:20:19,680
best rushing seasons come early 
in their career. 

1541
01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:24,760
And I want to be betting on the 
guy where the offense is in the 

1542
01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:29,000
flexing its muscles, spreading 
its wing stage and trying to see

1543
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:31,680
what they're capable of. 
And to me, that's that's what 

1544
01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:34,920
fits Washington. 
They they go in and they add two

1545
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:39,320
big pieces, Tonsil Debo Debo is 
maybe a bigger piece than they 

1546
01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:44,360
were hoping for and. 
See, I'm not, I'm not 

1547
01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:45,960
researching the mayoral results 
here. 

1548
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:47,480
I'm, I'm here. 
I'm I'm good. 

1549
01:20:47,480 --> 01:20:52,120
Audience, good for you. 
And I'm in New York. 

1550
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:56,960
Come on, you gotta. 
You gotta. 

1551
01:20:57,160 --> 01:20:58,640
You should be researching. 
Let me know you see. 

1552
01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:02,880
Polly Market at Momdani up to 
59. 

1553
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:03,880
Percent. 
Oh, I've been refreshing. 

1554
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:09,920
Anyway, I think Daniels is in a 
he's just in a spot to me where 

1555
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:11,720
I think he's set to explode. 
I think people are maybe 

1556
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:14,920
underrating his fantasy value 
slightly because he had that 

1557
01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:18,240
period post rib injury where he 
was a little bit contained. 

1558
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:20,280
Otherwise, he was pretty much 
right up there with these guys. 

1559
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:25,000
I want to bet on that ascension.
Lamar just runs a lot more than 

1560
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:28,880
Josh Allen does between the 20s 
and the Bills became a run first

1561
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:32,240
team under Joe Brady. 
So to me, Alan's path is very 

1562
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:35,640
reliant on rushing touchdowns, 
but she obviously gets at A at a

1563
01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:37,400
very high rate and will continue
to. 

1564
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:41,480
But outside of that, the upside 
is pretty limited. 

1565
01:21:41,480 --> 01:21:43,080
They don't pass the ball that 
much. 

1566
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:46,040
They don't have receivers, so 
they can't really pass the ball 

1567
01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:48,880
that well outside of Alan doing 
superhero stuff. 

1568
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:53,280
So I, I just think the days of 
Alan having like that, having 

1569
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:56,160
sort of multiple paths that he 
used to have a few years ago 

1570
01:21:56,160 --> 01:21:59,520
where he could throw 50 times or
run for three touchdowns, it's 

1571
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:02,920
kind of gone and he's on a more 
narrow rushing touchdown focus 

1572
01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:05,840
path that just does not appeal 
to me quite as much. 

1573
01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:10,440
I also think with Lamar you get 
a really fun contingent upside 

1574
01:22:10,440 --> 01:22:13,240
scenario where like what if 
Derrick Henry just got hurt? 

1575
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:15,360
They don't really have any 
alternatives. 

1576
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:17,040
Like it's Justice Hill and 
Keaton Mitchell. 

1577
01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:19,320
I think their pass rate could go
up by like 10%. 

1578
01:22:19,480 --> 01:22:23,880
Hey man, you are talking about 
2023 NFL rushing yards over 

1579
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:26,960
expectation leader, not rushing 
yards over expectation leader 

1580
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:30,200
per carry straight up rushing 
yards over expectation leader. 

1581
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:33,160
And I know Mike Leone says 
that's a fake stat, but. 

1582
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:35,760
I love Mitchell. 
Yeah. 

1583
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:40,040
Jackson does not give you the 
touchdowns, Alan. 

1584
01:22:40,280 --> 01:22:42,560
I mean, there's so many ways to 
illustrate it. 

1585
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:45,880
He has more career rushing 
touchdowns than OJ had. 

1586
01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:50,000
Like he he he'll get to 100, 
which you know, with touchdowns,

1587
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:51,560
we're always talking about 
regression. 

1588
01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:54,880
And I don't know this eventually
it'll happen when I maybe he 

1589
01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:57,840
starts to feel like he's older. 
He's 29 now, but. 

1590
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:04,320
OK, well, what, what Liam told 
me is that what if they his hand

1591
01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:08,040
was injured last year, which 
actually made him run more 

1592
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:10,040
because they just didn't want 
him just like Hawking the ball 

1593
01:23:10,040 --> 01:23:14,320
like 47 * a game. 
So he's saying Liam was telling 

1594
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:19,520
me that it's actually super 
bullish for James Cook. 

1595
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:23,920
And and so I don't know. 
I, I'm not, I was not following.

1596
01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:26,040
I'm not not following it 
exactly. 

1597
01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:29,880
I don't know the thing I I would
just push back on the idea that 

1598
01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:34,360
Alan doesn't have ceiling. 
I think his like he's not going 

1599
01:23:34,360 --> 01:23:38,200
to hit the ceiling as often as 
he should for how good he is 

1600
01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:42,360
because the wide receiver core 
is not going to elevate him. 

1601
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:46,440
You know, I guess relative to 
most teams, the tight end 

1602
01:23:46,440 --> 01:23:48,600
position, I guess is a strength,
but it's not going to like 

1603
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:53,240
really pull him up much. 
But like, and, and of course you

1604
01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:57,800
do have Brady who's very overly 
dependent on kind of 

1605
01:23:57,800 --> 01:24:00,200
establishing the run and, and 
kind of limiting the pass 

1606
01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:03,640
volume. 
But like they're not that good 

1607
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:08,640
on defense and they've had teams
put up points against them and 

1608
01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:11,280
now they're in, in a in response
mode. 

1609
01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:16,040
I mean twice last year right 
against the Rams he he put up 

1610
01:24:16,040 --> 01:24:19,840
51.9 half PPR. 
Points definitely not saying he 

1611
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:22,400
does not have ceiling. 
He has an incredible ceiling. 

1612
01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:27,440
I think that his path to ceiling
is narrower than it used to be, 

1613
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:30,280
but he has. 
It's less frequent than it used 

1614
01:24:30,280 --> 01:24:33,720
to, but it's like, I guess what 
I would like his ability to hit 

1615
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:39,400
extremely high ceiling is I, I 
would say probably the best in 

1616
01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:42,680
the player pool. 
Like he still has the highest 

1617
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:47,160
single game ceiling, I think 
because he can combine the the 

1618
01:24:47,160 --> 01:24:50,720
big time passing numbers with 
rushing in a way that I I don't 

1619
01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:53,880
feel as confident with Lamar 
doing as as much because like 

1620
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:56,440
when they didn't have Henry, 
they ran it with Gus Edwards. 

1621
01:24:56,440 --> 01:24:58,960
You know, like they it's a 
little bit more truly an 

1622
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:00,880
identity. 
I think with them they don't 

1623
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:02,520
have a Daniels is a bit more of 
a wild card. 

1624
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:04,400
Everyone, everyone, all the 
running backs on their team are 

1625
01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:06,160
tiny little dudes after Henry 
now. 

1626
01:25:07,480 --> 01:25:09,240
I guess they could just sign 
some. 

1627
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:12,120
They were Sheena Lee, right? 
They've got they, they'd find 

1628
01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:14,040
somebody. 
They, they, I mean, that's their

1629
01:25:14,040 --> 01:25:15,240
thing. 
They always they bring in like 

1630
01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:16,480
they'll. 
Bring Mark Ingram back. 

1631
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:19,440
Yeah, they'll they'll find some 
big dude to run around. 

1632
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:22,160
Yeah, I, I. 
What's Devonta Freeman up to? 

1633
01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:25,080
Is Isaiah Crowell available? 
Daniels is the guy. 

1634
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:27,800
There Elvin Cook. 
Elvin Cook was there. 

1635
01:25:28,360 --> 01:25:31,120
I'm with Jacob on Allen. 
I'm I'm I'm much more with Jacob

1636
01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:33,120
on Allen. 
I mean, I'm still into Allen 

1637
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:35,120
like to be. 
I feel like I think Josh Allen's

1638
01:25:35,160 --> 01:25:36,720
box. 
I, I just think that they're all

1639
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:39,440
maybe what I'd say is I think 
that they're all about the same.

1640
01:25:39,440 --> 01:25:41,160
And if anything, I might rank 
out on 3rd. 

1641
01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:43,200
The fact that he goes like 
almost a full round ahead of 

1642
01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:46,400
Daniels to me is I guess where 
I, I lose out a little. 

1643
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:48,240
Sure, Daniels was a really good 
passer last year. 

1644
01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:49,440
Doesn't he have? 
He was rushed. 

1645
01:25:49,440 --> 01:25:51,360
He was. 
Passing combination ceiling. 

1646
01:25:51,480 --> 01:25:53,280
Yeah, no, no, no. 
I was gonna say like, I think 

1647
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:57,480
Daniels, it's it's a wider range
because you have the second year

1648
01:25:57,480 --> 01:26:00,160
guy, we're now saying like 
you're truly an elite. 

1649
01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:02,840
He had a stretch last year where
he was banged up and didn't look

1650
01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:04,840
like that at all. 
And he's skinny and like, you 

1651
01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:06,880
know, the offensive line isn't 
great. 

1652
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:08,960
So you do it. 
There's some concerns. 

1653
01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:10,720
We also only have a one year 
sample of it. 

1654
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:15,120
But if you want to talk about 
pure ceiling, I would probably 

1655
01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:18,600
rank Daniel's number two behind 
behind out. 

1656
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:21,760
Like give me like the the peak 
of what a game looks like. 

1657
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:25,000
I think Daniels is probably #2 
behind Allen cause 'cause he can

1658
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:26,440
combine the rushing in the 
passing. 

1659
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:28,400
You can put them in almost any 
order. 

1660
01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:33,320
Allen won the MVP with fewer 
passing yards and fewer passing 

1661
01:26:33,320 --> 01:26:35,440
touchdowns in the lower 
completion percentage than 

1662
01:26:35,440 --> 01:26:38,440
rookie Bo Nicks, with Mack 
Hollins leading his team in 

1663
01:26:38,440 --> 01:26:41,320
touchdown catches with five. 
Just insane. 

1664
01:26:41,400 --> 01:26:44,680
My take last year, what with the
Bills was they ran the ball 

1665
01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:46,400
great. 
They're going to keep doing it. 

1666
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:48,720
And they did 6 offensive lineman
all the time. 

1667
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:51,640
They rushed for 30 touchdowns. 
I don't know. 

1668
01:26:51,640 --> 01:26:55,080
I, I feel like Jacob nailed it 
on the Bills with their receiver

1669
01:26:55,080 --> 01:26:57,360
room. 
I still kind of feel like 

1670
01:26:57,360 --> 01:27:01,360
betting against it a little bit,
but I mean, it's Josh Allen, so.

1671
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:05,760
I I like that they play the 
Eagles in, in Week 17. 

1672
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:09,160
I think that's good. 
If you're that game sucks you, 

1673
01:27:09,440 --> 01:27:10,280
you're so wrong. 
About. 

1674
01:27:10,360 --> 01:27:13,720
This you, you need, look, I 
mean, the Eagles run a lot, but 

1675
01:27:13,720 --> 01:27:16,520
they don't run slow because 
Barkley breaks off long runs. 

1676
01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:17,840
They put up points. 
That's true. 

1677
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:21,240
You you need the you need the 
Bills to be pushed. 

1678
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:23,320
You need them to be losing, 
frankly. 

1679
01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:26,640
And they're they're a good 
enough team that that's not 

1680
01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:28,960
going to happen a ton is. 
There a way that the Eagles can 

1681
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:33,680
put it on it in that game. 
That that that I don't feel so 

1682
01:27:33,720 --> 01:27:37,800
good about. 
I, I, I hate that that's a week 

1683
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:41,120
17 game, not for fantasy, but 
just like you have a chance of 

1684
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:44,240
ruining that game if teams have 
clinched by then. 

1685
01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:46,920
Like it's possible the Bills are
the biggest division favorite in

1686
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:50,520
the league and if they're three 
games off, you can have the one 

1687
01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:52,880
seed you could you could lose 
out. 

1688
01:27:53,200 --> 01:27:55,720
I don't like that the NFL put 
that game so late 'cause it has 

1689
01:27:55,720 --> 01:27:58,560
such good potential. 
It's also, by the way, the last 

1690
01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:02,000
year at the stadium here, so. 
Even if they have the division 

1691
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:04,240
locked up, I bet they're 
competing for some form of 

1692
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:07,280
seeding with two weeks to go 
probably I I bet they're they're

1693
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:08,760
at least in the mix for the one 
seed. 

1694
01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:10,280
Or even if it's not that maybe 
the 2. 

1695
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:12,080
Something, something will 
matter, I think. 

1696
01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:14,800
Well, I, I think teams announced
last year they're not that big 

1697
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:18,840
on 2 versus 3 or 3 versus 4. 
But yeah, you're probably right.

1698
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:20,400
I mean it's. 
They're not going to ref guys 

1699
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:23,160
for two weeks. 
No, it's. 

1700
01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:25,760
It's just possible. 
Teams almost never rest guys the

1701
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:28,040
the for for two weeks before the
playoffs. 

1702
01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:30,120
It's. 
Philadelphia Kansas City in Week

1703
01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:35,080
2 has no chance of being wonky 
because of the standings, but 

1704
01:28:35,080 --> 01:28:37,640
Buffalo Week 17 Davis, you have 
a. 

1705
01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:39,640
Thing at all though, can anyone 
make like 1? 

1706
01:28:39,680 --> 01:28:43,040
Like why is he drafted like a 
full round behind these guys? 

1707
01:28:43,040 --> 01:28:44,960
It makes hurts like it doesn't 
make any sense to me. 

1708
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:46,000
Is it? 
Just like they like. 

1709
01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:48,760
Bandy push push dude. 
And then it just like wasn't 

1710
01:28:48,760 --> 01:28:50,720
banned and we just decided 
that's where he goes anyways. 

1711
01:28:50,760 --> 01:28:53,440
It's like not also. 
You people actually hate Jalen 

1712
01:28:53,440 --> 01:28:54,600
Hurts? 
That's like a they do. 

1713
01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:57,640
That is, I hate Jalen Hurts I I 
don't think he's like that good.

1714
01:28:57,640 --> 01:28:59,320
I'm a Jalen Hurts hater but like
I. 

1715
01:28:59,560 --> 01:29:01,840
You are you. 
That's I forget that. 

1716
01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:05,720
That's that's been a battle. 
Yeah, I I think the fantasy 

1717
01:29:06,240 --> 01:29:10,280
football. 
In in February of 2025, I I 

1718
01:29:10,440 --> 01:29:12,480
wished he was much worse than he
actually was. 

1719
01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:15,840
I was wishing I. 
Was wishing the haters were 

1720
01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:17,680
right. 
I I was watching that game. 

1721
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:20,680
I was wishing that game. 
I was watching that Super Bowl 

1722
01:29:20,680 --> 01:29:24,840
going God Dang man I I wish. 
I wish the Jalen Hurts haters 

1723
01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:28,960
were correct. 
Hertz is an awesome pick. 

1724
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:35,800
I was I was kind of low on the 
elite quarterbacks and the big 

1725
01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:40,480
board and have come up on them 
in, you know, post draft. 

1726
01:29:40,920 --> 01:29:42,880
I think all these guys, the 
boring answer. 

1727
01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:44,960
I think all four of these dudes 
are targets. 

1728
01:29:45,320 --> 01:29:49,840
I currently have overweight 
positions on Allen and Hertz and

1729
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:52,240
I'm a little underway on Lamar 
and Daniels, but that's not 

1730
01:29:52,240 --> 01:29:54,520
something I'm standing behind. 
I'm trying to correct that. 

1731
01:29:54,840 --> 01:29:56,720
I want to be overweight on all 
these guys. 

1732
01:29:56,720 --> 01:30:00,920
Not like massively so, but I 
would say the the guy would be 

1733
01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:04,040
comfortable. 
You know, mid teens would be 

1734
01:30:04,040 --> 01:30:07,280
hurts, maybe even up to 20% on 
hurts. 

1735
01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:11,400
Like he's he's just like, I 
don't really get why you could 

1736
01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:15,000
get him in the fifth round. 
It doesn't it just doesn't make 

1737
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:17,720
sense. 
I mean, and I've done stuff 

1738
01:30:17,720 --> 01:30:20,600
where it like if I'm going to 
take a quarterback with Jamar 

1739
01:30:20,600 --> 01:30:24,360
Chase in the in the early 5th, I
think it's still hurts. 

1740
01:30:24,760 --> 01:30:28,200
It's not Burro. 
It's it's hurts like, you know, 

1741
01:30:28,240 --> 01:30:30,320
you can. 
And if you have you go like 

1742
01:30:30,320 --> 01:30:33,560
McBride and and and Chase. 
You could do like Hertz and 

1743
01:30:33,560 --> 01:30:36,760
Murray, but I just don't, I 
don't see the point really. 

1744
01:30:36,760 --> 01:30:40,200
Even Burrow, I've kind of come 
to like where I'm just not 

1745
01:30:40,200 --> 01:30:43,200
taking him in until the 6th. 
I'm with you there, Jake. 

1746
01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:46,480
That's like, yeah. 
And partly it's because I will 

1747
01:30:46,480 --> 01:30:50,040
literally take Hertz on those 
Chase teams or Higgins teams 

1748
01:30:50,040 --> 01:30:54,920
over Burrow in the 5th. 
If Hertz and Devante Smith games

1749
01:30:54,920 --> 01:30:58,120
being played in almost every 
draft at the left side of the 

1750
01:30:58,120 --> 01:31:01,800
board, maybe I don't. 
I don't love Smith. 

1751
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:04,160
That I would have even more if I
was more into Smith. 

1752
01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:06,360
Yeah, I think it. 
Was a little of a lot. 

1753
01:31:06,360 --> 01:31:09,840
I I occasionally taken just to 
set up the stack with Hertz, 

1754
01:31:10,920 --> 01:31:14,240
like if it Yep, if he if Smith 
falls a little bit and it's like

1755
01:31:14,240 --> 01:31:16,840
I have, you know, if I have 
because I've I've done this 

1756
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:20,120
exact scenario where I take 
chase one and then I come back 

1757
01:31:20,120 --> 01:31:22,760
on the clock at 48 and Smith and
Hertz are both there and I go, 

1758
01:31:22,760 --> 01:31:24,160
OK, great. 
Screw Joe Burrow. 

1759
01:31:24,160 --> 01:31:26,720
I'm taking Smith and Hertz 
together. 

1760
01:31:27,280 --> 01:31:30,840
But I I agree, like I like 
Pickens more than Smith. 

1761
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:34,120
I like flowers more than Smith. 
Waddle. 

1762
01:31:34,520 --> 01:31:38,160
Me too, I like Hunter more than 
Smith so it's me too, not a guy 

1763
01:31:38,200 --> 01:31:41,240
that I have interest in. 
You guys can't draft Breece Hall

1764
01:31:41,240 --> 01:31:43,360
and draft Josh Allen or Lamar 
Jackson. 

1765
01:31:43,360 --> 01:31:46,040
You know, that's you guys. 
That has been a big problem for 

1766
01:31:46,040 --> 01:31:46,960
me, yeah. 
That's why, yeah. 

1767
01:31:48,240 --> 01:31:50,720
Did you hear you there for me? 
Anybody here? 

1768
01:31:50,720 --> 01:31:55,040
Scott Barrett on Breece Hall on 
a recent FFPC podcast. 

1769
01:31:55,480 --> 01:31:56,960
I bet he was. 
Bearish I I would check that 

1770
01:31:57,040 --> 01:32:00,000
out. 
I I, I would, I would ask that 

1771
01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:03,600
you check it out so I don't just
twist it at all without meaning 

1772
01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:06,080
to. 
It was on an FFPC Big Gorilla 

1773
01:32:06,080 --> 01:32:12,840
Draft podcast of theirs and he 
said he knows a bouncer from 

1774
01:32:12,840 --> 01:32:16,360
Hoboken or something. 
That said Rhys Hall was in the 

1775
01:32:16,400 --> 01:32:19,200
bar every day. 
Every day. 

1776
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:22,440
Like last year. 
Last year, yeah, Something 

1777
01:32:22,440 --> 01:32:23,240
about. 
How about now? 

1778
01:32:23,240 --> 01:32:26,840
Wouldn't you have been? 
I was, I literally was in the 

1779
01:32:26,840 --> 01:32:28,760
bar every day. 
Last year, I'm gonna take that 

1780
01:32:28,760 --> 01:32:30,760
as bullish. 
I think it's bullish that. 

1781
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:33,760
Explains his poor performance. 
And now he's learned and he's in

1782
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:36,960
a contract year and he's gonna, 
he's gonna put down the bottle 

1783
01:32:36,960 --> 01:32:39,840
and get, you know it. 
Yeah, and maybe we don't know 

1784
01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:41,640
what that bar's like. 
Maybe it's a good social scene 

1785
01:32:41,640 --> 01:32:43,160
there you. 
Know well, I should probably say

1786
01:32:43,160 --> 01:32:45,400
club instead of bar. 
I'm not sure drinking was 

1787
01:32:45,400 --> 01:32:47,960
implied, but you know, there 
was, like, he was always at the 

1788
01:32:47,960 --> 01:32:50,120
place, that's all. 
OK, drinking. 

1789
01:32:50,760 --> 01:32:52,760
That's even better. 
Club is more bullish than bar. 

1790
01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:54,640
Bar's a little sadder, you know,
if you're there. 

1791
01:32:54,640 --> 01:32:56,160
Club, club, What's a big club? 
Yeah. 

1792
01:32:56,760 --> 01:32:59,520
Club Club's bullish. 
There's some things going down 

1793
01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:00,800
at the club. 
You could, you could be. 

1794
01:33:01,200 --> 01:33:04,080
You could be having a good time.
Yeah, boats, whatever. 

1795
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:06,360
I mean, yeah, lots of ways to 
enjoy life. 

1796
01:33:06,400 --> 01:33:08,600
I mean, this is this is how. 
This is why you got to stack 

1797
01:33:08,600 --> 01:33:12,000
them for week 17 with digs. 
There it is. 

1798
01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:16,520
The the all the all club stack. 
We need a we need a new mnemonic

1799
01:33:16,520 --> 01:33:19,600
device for suddenly for jets 
patriots. 

1800
01:33:19,960 --> 01:33:21,960
The real issue that I have with 
the league quarterbacks is 

1801
01:33:21,960 --> 01:33:24,320
partially Breeze Hall. 
That's a big reason why I have 

1802
01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:26,600
more Daniels is because he's the
one that doesn't go ahead of 

1803
01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:29,840
Breeze Hall. 
But also I I just can't get over

1804
01:33:29,840 --> 01:33:34,560
how much I like the quarterbacks
and how much I hate everyone 

1805
01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:37,560
else that goes between like 120 
and 145 like this. 

1806
01:33:37,640 --> 01:33:39,800
This is just the most that I've 
ever wanted to live in the 

1807
01:33:39,800 --> 01:33:43,080
quarterback window. 
And I just feel so good about my

1808
01:33:43,080 --> 01:33:46,160
teams every time that I get to 
that range. 

1809
01:33:46,720 --> 01:33:50,600
And I have no quarterbacks, but 
I have enough wide receiver 

1810
01:33:50,600 --> 01:33:52,320
depth. 
I've gotten running back targets

1811
01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:54,080
that I want. 
I've gotten my early tight end 

1812
01:33:54,080 --> 01:33:58,400
and I just get to go. 
Love Lawrence McCarthy, Prescott

1813
01:33:58,640 --> 01:34:02,440
May like panics, like whatever. 
Like just chap. 

1814
01:34:02,480 --> 01:34:06,480
Three and those teams. 
Just fall into place and I think

1815
01:34:06,480 --> 01:34:09,560
that they, I mean, you're the 
SIM expert, so you would know 

1816
01:34:09,560 --> 01:34:12,680
better at how they SIM, but they
just feel like you're, you're 

1817
01:34:12,680 --> 01:34:15,680
really taking advantage of the, 
the relative value of the drafts

1818
01:34:15,680 --> 01:34:17,960
and you built that way. 
This seems like the elites 

1819
01:34:17,960 --> 01:34:20,800
because I think they they're 
giving you something that isn't 

1820
01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:23,320
really available later. 
I mean, you can kind of talk 

1821
01:34:23,320 --> 01:34:26,480
yourself into Murray or fields 
as you know, some of the the 

1822
01:34:26,680 --> 01:34:29,840
rushing upside with, you know, 
the the mega ceiling stuff, but 

1823
01:34:30,080 --> 01:34:35,120
really the mega ceiling plus the
high floor is these four guys. 

1824
01:34:35,640 --> 01:34:38,080
And so so The Sims do like the 
elites. 

1825
01:34:38,240 --> 01:34:45,040
But yeah, that window is like 
very, very much, you know, Sims 

1826
01:34:45,040 --> 01:34:47,960
endorsed is, is another path to 
play things this year. 

1827
01:34:47,960 --> 01:34:51,400
Like that's it's just an awesome
year to to live in the 

1828
01:34:51,400 --> 01:34:53,800
quarterback window. 
I I completely agree. 

1829
01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:56,880
All right. 
Well, none of these guys 

1830
01:34:56,880 --> 01:35:00,120
available in last call. 
Pat, are you caught up? 

1831
01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:04,880
No, I I guess I I'll do 2 but 
I'll need to figure out who both

1832
01:35:04,880 --> 01:35:07,520
of them are right now. 
All right. 

1833
01:35:08,240 --> 01:35:09,680
Trying to figure out 
positionally. 

1834
01:35:09,680 --> 01:35:11,480
I don't know. 
What I need? 

1835
01:35:11,760 --> 01:35:12,400
These are. 
Players. 

1836
01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:14,560
Who need? 
100 or higher. 

1837
01:35:15,160 --> 01:35:18,600
I think I know what I'm going to
do, but let me just check here. 

1838
01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:24,320
Now do we have, do we have an 
official ruling on is it, is it 

1839
01:35:24,320 --> 01:35:28,760
once a player has been selected,
they can't be like they're. 

1840
01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:30,160
There's no, There's no. 
Duping. 

1841
01:35:30,640 --> 01:35:32,960
There's no duping 'cause we're 
we're building teams that 

1842
01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:35,080
compete with one another. 
Frankly. 

1843
01:35:35,840 --> 01:35:38,640
I oh, I have mine. 
I have mine go. 

1844
01:35:38,800 --> 01:35:41,680
I have mine too. 
I'll turn Anthony Richardson. 

1845
01:35:41,800 --> 01:35:43,680
There it is. 
I mean, I just put that out 

1846
01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:45,760
there for you. 
Last week, Jacob was supposed to

1847
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:48,040
work. 
Yeah, he's he's back. 

1848
01:35:48,040 --> 01:35:51,240
He's back. 
Over the is he is he 200 is he 

1849
01:35:51,440 --> 01:35:54,480
is he ADP 200 I'm. 
Looking right now he is two O 

1850
01:35:54,480 --> 01:35:57,040
2.1 all. 
Right, he was last week. 

1851
01:35:57,120 --> 01:36:01,160
Two O 2.1 Apparently he's going 
to be a full go training camp. 

1852
01:36:01,960 --> 01:36:05,600
If you read the sort of athletic
What I'm hearing article. 

1853
01:36:06,760 --> 01:36:10,720
James Boyd, good reporter, said 
that Jones is still the 

1854
01:36:10,760 --> 01:36:13,000
overwhelming favorite to start 
in week 1. 

1855
01:36:13,520 --> 01:36:17,720
But I think that the like worst 
case scenarios, the surgery 

1856
01:36:17,720 --> 01:36:19,320
lingering, that's that's off the
table. 

1857
01:36:19,320 --> 01:36:22,640
So now all you have to bet on if
you're an Anthony Richardson 

1858
01:36:22,640 --> 01:36:25,880
drafter, which I'm still not, 
but I'm I'm far more into him at

1859
01:36:25,880 --> 01:36:28,160
his current price than when he 
was the presumed starter in the 

1860
01:36:28,160 --> 01:36:32,400
one 70s. 
Is that Daniel Jones sucks or 

1861
01:36:32,400 --> 01:36:34,480
gets hurt. 
He's known to do both of those 

1862
01:36:34,480 --> 01:36:37,120
very frequently. 
And then Anthony Richardson gets

1863
01:36:37,120 --> 01:36:39,280
in there for the playoffs and 
has a big week. 

1864
01:36:39,880 --> 01:36:43,360
So I will, I will take Anthony 
Richardson and it'll give me one

1865
01:36:43,440 --> 01:36:46,840
hedge against my Daniel Jones 
position in My Portfolio of 

1866
01:36:46,840 --> 01:36:48,240
winning. 
Last call for Breg, right? 

1867
01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:51,880
All right. 
All right, I've got nothing. 

1868
01:36:52,280 --> 01:36:56,280
Everyone I would take is gone. 
You need to expand your mind. 

1869
01:36:56,400 --> 01:37:01,360
My, my running backs are bad. 
It's not a good, it's not a good

1870
01:37:01,360 --> 01:37:02,960
scene. 
So I'm going to, I'm going to do

1871
01:37:02,960 --> 01:37:06,240
something that is going to make 
everyone cry and vomit. 

1872
01:37:06,240 --> 01:37:08,840
Blood is going to kind of leak 
from their eyes. 

1873
01:37:09,040 --> 01:37:11,600
I'm going to select Devin 
Singletary who is going. 

1874
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:16,960
To have the. 
Inconvenient Truth 800 yard 4 

1875
01:37:16,960 --> 01:37:21,680
touchdown season of all time. 
Like if you think for that's 

1876
01:37:21,840 --> 01:37:24,840
it'll probably start for. 
Is he on the that of the Ravens 

1877
01:37:25,440 --> 01:37:27,280
trade of seven? 
Could be, Could be the Ravens, 

1878
01:37:27,280 --> 01:37:29,560
Could be the Cowboys. 
There. 

1879
01:37:29,560 --> 01:37:31,400
There are a lot of different 
ways this one can go. 

1880
01:37:31,400 --> 01:37:37,000
But it'll be this is a question 
at what stage will the very 

1881
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:39,760
first New York Giants beat 
reporter float that he's going 

1882
01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:41,880
to start? 
What are we thinking? 

1883
01:37:41,880 --> 01:37:43,000
Are we thinking? 
Never. 

1884
01:37:43,600 --> 01:37:44,840
Yeah, not happening. 
Yeah. 

1885
01:37:45,640 --> 01:37:49,160
We're never getting that report.
Before August 1st I got before. 

1886
01:37:49,200 --> 01:37:51,760
August 1st not swollen by Tracy 
and they drafted Sket. 

1887
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:53,720
Why were the giants? 
I'm into the idea if he gets 

1888
01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:55,960
like caught or traded or 
something that's that's kind of 

1889
01:37:55,960 --> 01:37:59,440
fun, but. 
Lot of lot of ways, a lot of 

1890
01:37:59,440 --> 01:38:01,280
ways. 
I think that that one, not that 

1891
01:38:01,280 --> 01:38:03,520
I not that I I'm taking, I would
I take. 

1892
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:06,360
It on what they could do on what
what they could sorry Davis what

1893
01:38:06,360 --> 01:38:08,640
they could do with singletary 
their first pre season game is 

1894
01:38:08,640 --> 01:38:11,840
at Buffalo. 
What they could do with him is 

1895
01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:15,440
like showcase him and see if 
anybody wants to to make that 

1896
01:38:15,440 --> 01:38:17,680
move, a running back injury 
somewhere else so you could get 

1897
01:38:17,680 --> 01:38:20,880
that back door that. 
Way I love it. 

1898
01:38:21,680 --> 01:38:24,040
That doesn't mean Darqua aspect 
Davis. 

1899
01:38:24,560 --> 01:38:26,840
Yeah, Oh my God, a a great 
player. 

1900
01:38:27,560 --> 01:38:29,680
I'll take Turpin since we talked
about. 

1901
01:38:29,720 --> 01:38:30,840
That's smart. 
That's a good one. 

1902
01:38:31,120 --> 01:38:34,080
God, I I am bad at this game 
man. 

1903
01:38:34,320 --> 01:38:37,960
I just basically what happens is
I just I just keep taking fancy 

1904
01:38:37,960 --> 01:38:40,960
guys and fancy guys are not is 
what going to win this game. 

1905
01:38:42,440 --> 01:38:45,200
I mean. 
Jacob, Jacob, Jacob is going to 

1906
01:38:45,200 --> 01:38:47,520
win by like a lot. 
Jacob's team is. 

1907
01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:50,200
I don't know about that but 
that's I need Amari Cooper to 

1908
01:38:50,200 --> 01:38:52,160
sign. 
I've gotten I've so far I've hit

1909
01:38:52,240 --> 01:38:55,320
on 2 free agents that have 
subsequently signed contracts. 

1910
01:38:56,680 --> 01:39:00,920
We're getting CLV on Sanders, 
although I'm I, I got all my CLV

1911
01:39:00,920 --> 01:39:03,320
on Jack Bash, but now he's 
coming back to the 2. 100 he's 

1912
01:39:03,320 --> 01:39:05,920
coming back, losing CLV by the 
day. 

1913
01:39:05,920 --> 01:39:09,360
It's like I it's like I hit a 
nice little 60° onto the green 

1914
01:39:09,360 --> 01:39:10,720
and it was like right by the 
hole. 

1915
01:39:10,720 --> 01:39:13,080
I thought it was going to have a
tap in but it's now coming off 

1916
01:39:13,080 --> 01:39:15,160
the fault. 
Your your ML, your middle line 

1917
01:39:15,160 --> 01:39:17,680
value was great, your your CLV 
not so good. 

1918
01:39:18,560 --> 01:39:21,720
Exactly. 
Also real real idiot shit for me

1919
01:39:21,720 --> 01:39:27,720
not getting Brashard Smith. 
That goes back to April. 

1920
01:39:28,320 --> 01:39:30,680
I don't know what happened 
there, but I got them. 

1921
01:39:31,080 --> 01:39:34,680
Embarrassing. 
Yeah, Pat for two. 

1922
01:39:35,360 --> 01:39:42,520
Yeah, I need some more receivers
and looks like Zach tried to 

1923
01:39:42,520 --> 01:39:46,440
give me F and Chisholm as my as 
my pick last week, but I'll be 

1924
01:39:46,680 --> 01:39:49,880
I'll be replacing that. 
I'm not the receiver. 

1925
01:39:49,880 --> 01:39:52,240
I didn't see that before. 
I'll see you too. 

1926
01:39:53,320 --> 01:39:55,520
Yeah. 
All right, I'll, I'll just kind 

1927
01:39:55,520 --> 01:39:57,880
of scoop up some of these. 
Let me just make sure they're 

1928
01:39:57,880 --> 01:39:59,280
not going, OK? 
And I tried to give you 

1929
01:39:59,280 --> 01:40:01,760
Richardson and the other guy 
said that's not fair. 

1930
01:40:02,640 --> 01:40:04,720
That wouldn't have been fair 
that that's too good. 

1931
01:40:04,720 --> 01:40:05,640
Of a They're right. 
No, they're right. 

1932
01:40:05,640 --> 01:40:07,160
I'd have to make it myself. 
They're right. 

1933
01:40:09,080 --> 01:40:11,640
The the other thing is my sheet 
didn't have Richardson is is 

1934
01:40:11,640 --> 01:40:13,400
200, so I wouldn't have made it 
all right. 

1935
01:40:13,400 --> 01:40:18,120
I'll I'll go ahead and take the 
the most boring rookie receiver 

1936
01:40:18,120 --> 01:40:20,240
pick, but he did get decent 
draft capital. 

1937
01:40:20,240 --> 01:40:22,680
I'll take Isaac Tesla. 
OK. 

1938
01:40:25,360 --> 01:40:29,160
And then I'll take a guy We, we,
we're all excited about rookies 

1939
01:40:29,160 --> 01:40:32,480
who get playing time. 
Deonte Thornton, not the great 

1940
01:40:32,480 --> 01:40:35,200
of prospects, but you know, he's
out there. 

1941
01:40:36,080 --> 01:40:39,000
I'll take Aaron Smith. 
He's going to be out there, too.

1942
01:40:40,880 --> 01:40:45,080
Eagles. 
Aaron Smith is a crazy Aaron. 

1943
01:40:45,120 --> 01:40:46,840
Smith is for the Jeff. 
Jeff. 

1944
01:40:46,960 --> 01:40:50,120
Smith is a Aaron Smith. 
Anita Smith and. 

1945
01:40:50,400 --> 01:40:53,040
M Guy from Alaska. 
That is as crazy as The Jets 

1946
01:40:53,040 --> 01:40:56,560
actually selecting Aaron Smith. 
I think he's out there, but the 

1947
01:40:56,680 --> 01:41:00,200
by the end of the season. 
Why did you guys all play Alan 

1948
01:41:00,200 --> 01:41:03,480
Lazard on the Steelers? 
Yeah, Alan Lazard's going to be 

1949
01:41:03,480 --> 01:41:06,040
on the Steelers for sure. 
Why isn't he on Jacob's team? 

1950
01:41:06,040 --> 01:41:08,560
Lazard, what's the hold up? 
That's true. 

1951
01:41:08,560 --> 01:41:12,080
I got to get the stack. 
Can I just say something? 

1952
01:41:12,080 --> 01:41:13,880
I think Josh Reynolds is 
draftable. 

1953
01:41:16,040 --> 01:41:17,760
The hell? 
I don't know if he's draftable. 

1954
01:41:19,880 --> 01:41:22,040
He's not. 
He's going to run like 91% of 

1955
01:41:22,040 --> 01:41:27,960
the routes in Week 1. 
For a Mason Rd. 

1956
01:41:27,960 --> 01:41:30,160
Mason Taylor. 
Mason Taylor is. 

1957
01:41:30,280 --> 01:41:32,480
The one. 
Yeah, he sure is. 

1958
01:41:32,600 --> 01:41:36,600
Look at that nice list. 
Mason Taylor Jacobs, tight end 

1959
01:41:36,600 --> 01:41:37,520
one. 
All right. 

1960
01:41:38,760 --> 01:41:41,360
What do you guys have planned 
today and this week? 

1961
01:41:42,960 --> 01:41:47,680
Swole cast in 10 minutes. 
I'm streaming some of these 

1962
01:41:47,840 --> 01:41:51,200
niche side contests on Underdog 
this afternoon. 

1963
01:41:51,200 --> 01:41:55,480
Probably probably do my corgi 
and whatnot on a your. 

1964
01:41:56,600 --> 01:42:00,320
Corgis, your pit bulls, your 
What's the other one that popped

1965
01:42:00,320 --> 01:42:02,920
yesterday? 
The Poodle. 

1966
01:42:03,720 --> 01:42:11,440
The poodle pat right on cue. 
Right on cue. 

1967
01:42:11,600 --> 01:42:20,080
Yeah, the doodle. 
So yeah, we're let's see, let's 

1968
01:42:20,080 --> 01:42:22,360
see. 
I'm, I'm working on a article on

1969
01:42:22,360 --> 01:42:24,920
tight ends looking at play 
action participation rate. 

1970
01:42:24,960 --> 01:42:27,480
The guys who are good enough run
blockers to be out there for 

1971
01:42:27,480 --> 01:42:30,040
very valuable play action snaps 
where tight ends get a lot more 

1972
01:42:30,040 --> 01:42:34,320
targets than wide receivers do 
and or they get a higher 

1973
01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:37,840
percentage of their production 
than wide receivers do on play 

1974
01:42:37,840 --> 01:42:41,000
action. 
And going to have articles by 

1975
01:42:41,000 --> 01:42:46,000
Matt Irby and Michael Dugner on 
the site this week and check out

1976
01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:47,880
the Sidekick. 
We're in beta right now. 

1977
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You sign up 
legendaryupside.com/sidekick. 

1978
01:42:50,520 --> 01:42:55,000
You can use The Sims as we beta 
test them and we have, we're 

1979
01:42:55,000 --> 01:42:57,520
already starting to test out 
some of the other formats with 

1980
01:42:57,520 --> 01:43:00,080
The Sims as well. 
So I'm hoping that we'll have 

1981
01:43:00,080 --> 01:43:02,440
that for you pretty soon. 
Stuff like the Eliminator, 

1982
01:43:02,680 --> 01:43:05,440
Superflex, all that good stuff. 
Very cool, Jacob. 

1983
01:43:06,440 --> 01:43:08,400
I got an article up on Travis 
Hunter. 

1984
01:43:09,080 --> 01:43:11,480
We will have the honesty points 
tonight as always. 

1985
01:43:11,720 --> 01:43:13,280
Graham Barfield is on with us 
tonight. 

1986
01:43:14,320 --> 01:43:18,360
I will have, I think another 
piece out this weekend on 

1987
01:43:19,000 --> 01:43:23,360
specifically running back Spike 
weeks and yeah, oh, check out 

1988
01:43:23,360 --> 01:43:27,600
the mini sods and find out who 
we drafted at the 4:10. 

1989
01:43:28,320 --> 01:43:32,080
When I'm not watching, when I'm 
not watching, the Mini Sods and 

1990
01:43:32,080 --> 01:43:34,800
the Randomizer and the other 
shows. 

1991
01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:38,760
I'm hosting weekday afternoons 
in Buffalo and Saturday this 

1992
01:43:38,760 --> 01:43:42,200
week is the live Scott Fishbowl 
draft in Buffalo. 

1993
01:43:42,720 --> 01:43:45,960
Fatty Beer at Wurlitzer in North
Onnawanda to be specific. 

1994
01:43:45,960 --> 01:43:48,560
My friend Louie G has done a 
great job organizing it. 4 

1995
01:43:48,560 --> 01:43:52,360
drafts this year. 
Another fun format like Unusual 

1996
01:43:52,360 --> 01:43:54,280
and Scott Fishbowl is always 
great. 

1997
01:43:54,280 --> 01:43:57,360
So Saturday afternoon. 
Open to the public if you want 

1998
01:43:57,360 --> 01:44:00,480
it. 
Thanks as always for watching 

1999
01:44:00,480 --> 01:44:02,880
and listening. 
We'll see you next week, July 

2000
01:44:02,880 --> 01:44:05,960
1st here on ADP Chasing By. 
Canada Day. 

2001
01:44:06,520 --> 01:44:08,560
Canada Day, right? 
Nice. 

2002
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Beautiful.