All right, we're back for another FFPC Main Event Mini
Sewed episode. This is a series that we've been
doing while on the clock in our first slow draft in the FFPC
main event with $1,000,000 top prize.
To recap our team before the selections we're going to
discuss today, we started out as true piss boys, a J.
Brown CD, Lam Debo Samuel DK Metcalf, Brandon I you, Deontay
Johnson grabbed our first running back James Cook at 7:11.
That one is aged nicefully. Saw him go at the 4-5 turn and a
draft the other night. We got Jordan Addison.
After that Greg Dulcic in the 9th we can talk about how that's
aging. We then went Jalen Warren to A
tag of Aloha as our first quarterback in the 11th, Kendra
Miller. We can talk about that two more
running backs in the 13th and 14th and Deonte Foreman and
Rahim Moster. And today we are going to
discuss our picks in round 15/16/17 and 18.
Guys, how are we doing as we land the plane on our first slow
draft main event? Doing good.
Like you said, some of them have gone well, some of them not so
well. But James Cook thing I'm stoked
about. That was the one where we talked
to Evan Ingram a little bit. Pat was.
On Cook. I'm really, really glad we have
Cook there. I still kind of wish we would
have gotten Ingram with that turn, though, with the way the
things worked out with Dulcet. Because it's not.
Well, sure, yeah. That feels like that was a
little bit of a meaningful tier, but.
Looking for I think the last the other thing I was gonna say real
quick the last time I think we were just saying before we
started we finished up talking through the game well Foreman
most are thing game well did go one pick ahead of us if we
hadn't updated people on that so we I mean we kind of got sniped
I think we were settling on Foreman and trying to hit game
well on the way back or or we were close on that but game well
did go the one pick ahead of us so we weren't able to get both
and that's how we got formative Oster.
We decided on game well as the number one I.
Thing we might have. Yeah.
And then he went right before
us. So that was a bummer.
And it's funny like how we already know that when we look
back at this draft board it's going to look hilarious.
But like already like Kendry Miller getting hurt and then
gain Wells rise. Like I would already love to
have gain well at the 1202 instead of Miller.
You know obviously we didn't we know more than we knew then but.
And I never would at the time, never would have thought to do
that, but. You know, just a reminder of how
chaotic. Well, let me let me play like
Devil's Habit and I'm still the Kendra Miller Bowl and maybe
this is going to continue to age poorly, but I mean, like Chase
Brown goes a few picks after, Taji Spears goes a few picks
after. No one is like really been
hoping for a ton of standalone value with those guys.
It's disappointing because we thought Kendra Miller was
mispriced as a guy who could have really standalone value and
crushed down the stretch and that's obviously changed.
But like the late season appeal for me, and I think I said this
on the last minute, so like it, it hasn't changed for me.
Even so, the hits do keep racking up and it is fair to
question his durability I guess, but I don't know.
I still don't mind the pick their relative to who else goes
in this range. I like that take.
I think Jamal Williams looked really slow again in the
preseason. I reminded everyone the only
reason he had really any value last year is he got, I think, 16
more inside the 10 carries than any other player in the entire
NFL or any other running back. I should say maybe like Jalen
Hurts was up there, but. He basically wasn't efficient,
was nothing else. And I was on a team with Tasim
Hill. I don't see why you would like.
I feel like he's like one of the worst picks on the entire board,
Jamal Williams. But the one guy I'm starting to
get concerned about for the Kendry Miller path is Alvin
Kamara because he was still a little bit efficient as a
receiver last year. And Nick Underhill has been
talking up. So, you know, famously Evan
Silva's body, Nick Underhill has been talking up that Kamara had
a unique. Workout regimen this offseason
is feels like he's gotten some burst back and I I mean eye
test, I felt like he had some. Sort of muscle imbalance in his
legs that he like has corrected or something.
Yeah, I thought he looked kind of good in the first preseason
game. And the fact that he was still a
little bit efficient in the in the past catching game, he's
lost some efficiency in the running game, but in part
because he had the biggest workloads of his career the last
couple years as a runner. If you look at his profile, it's
not like it's not clear to me like it was like with Zeke last
year, for example, that like this guy is going over the age
Cliff like he probably is. But I mean, he was really,
really good in his prime, yeah. I also think that Miller, you
know, what if they signed someone now, you know, we
already heard Hunt was visiting there.
And so I was just like, I I do worry with him, like are we
going to be able to hold him? So yeah, The thing is, is like
when you look at how thin our running back depth chart is.
Like, yeah, I guess we will be able to.
We probably will be because we'll talk about what we did
with some of these later picks. But like the tight end Flyers
are gonna be probably who we quickly churn, even more so than
the running back. So like to set this up.
You know through 14 rounds, right?
We only had James Cook, Jalen Warren, Kendra Miller, Deontay
Foreman and Raheem Moster at running back.
The two positions we had punted the most are quarterback to what
we took in the 11th and then Greg Dulchitz tied in, we took
in the 9th. And so heading here with down
this home stretch, I think we were, we all knew we were going
to crank purple, right? But we had a quarterback who was
sitting here in the 15th who was a huge ADP faller that lined up
a stack for us and we all kind of looked around the room and
we're like, we should probably take this guy.
Yeah, and I think, you know, the issue with taking Tua was like,
we weren't lining up a stack there.
And you can kind of argue about how much that matters.
And you're getting a really nice value.
Like 2 is an eighth round basketball pick.
We're getting in the 11th round and arguably he's a better
managedly pick because if he gets hurt, you cut him.
But then to be able to go ahead and get Gino Smith with DK
Metcalf, I I can see us being psyched about that in the
three-week Sprint. That seems a pretty easy one for
us to be like all right, we got this, this is an awesome stack
to have. Even if like JSN emerges, I
think you know, certainly Gino de Metcalf single could be
really high upside. Yeah, and this, I think, is a
good lesson on something that I've heard you guys say a lot
and I've thought about more as I'm.
Slower to the best ball game. You guys talk about setting up
stacks and taking different receivers and something we
talked about on the early mini. So it's where a lot of our
receivers here gave us the flexibility at quarterback cuz
we had a lot of stack options. One of the ones that we were
really targeting was we had both Debo and IU Can.
We were thinking pretty made for a really natural second QB here.
There were reasons why we were a little bit.
I know I was a little bit concerned he might not make it
all the way back to us cuz the guy right in front of us has
kittle. And so it was like possibly he
could get all the way back and then go one pick ahead of us,
like game Walk did. And because we're on the end,
like it was a little tougher to navigate that we would for sure
get him. Still seemed like we would get
him. And as we're sitting here in
like the 18th round, he still hasn't gone, but we probably
could have got him. But we had all these doors open,
and what that led to was the flexibility to grab Gino stacked
up with DK. And it was the latest Geno's
gone any in any draft and it was the latest by like 8 picks I
mean he I think we got him like 40 picks behind ADP so really
significant discount to get him at 1511.
So the ability to stack him to grab that and to have a couple
different stacks set up or we had some late round options led
to something where like Gino shouldn't be going 1511.
I did a in my. TK at a value, right?
And it's a 0 running back team like this could be a really
unique Geno, yeah? I did a plot earlier this
offseason with JJ Zacharisan. He made a comment about Qb's
that have three pass catchers as high as Gino does tend to really
hit. And so he was like Gino's one of
my favorite mid round quarterbacks and it's kind of
stuck with me. I think it's an interesting stat
to get that guy at 1511. He has three pass catchers in
the top. I mean that's that's very
logical, right? Like, I like that and the other
thing that's kind of fun about this for me.
So you know, when you think about it and manage right,
there's basically three ways to play quarterback.
You get the elite guy and you start him every week you take a
or you stream right. That's another thing we've done.
Or you take the elite guy, he whiffs and it's Tray Lance or
Kyler or whatever. Then you have to stream
otherwise or you take kind of two mid range guys and you play
the matchups each week. Like if you look back over how
we've played the main event historically over the years, we
don't do this that much where we take the two guys, we play the
matchups, and I think this is actually a really fun pairing to
do that. And I think even last year a lot
of the Dolphins games kind of lined up in a cleaner way of
knowing like, hey, this is a really good spot for two, and I
think Seahawks too. I think these will just be two
very fun teams that we're going to get to, look at the totals,
look at the matchups and feel really good about which one of
these guys is going to give us a top ten week each week.
Yeah. And I, in a way, I think we have
done this sometimes, but it's usually that we pick up the
second guy off waivers, right? And I like that we just went
ahead and grab Gino here because yeah, I think I, I take a lot of
Gino and best ball. I think he makes a lot of sense
for the the point that JJ is making of like hey we're betting
on these receivers. I don't always buy into that
like you know hey these guys receivers are going here is the
quarterback should be following along but Gino's got a little
bit of mobility. He's very accurate.
He's not like going to set the world on fire, but is a guy who
can. You know, be in a high total
game. Like, we know the Seahawks can
be in high total games and we can feel very good about putting
him in the lineup. So after making the Geno pick,
we knew, all right, it is time to crank purple.
We, you know, queued up some tight ends there.
We had some targets. And then of course we do see a
bit of a tight end run. Jake Ferguson, who I know we
were talking about, he immediately goes after us.
Hayden Hurst comes off the board.
Hunter Henry, Trey McBride. Michael Mayer.
Three of our collective favorite tight ends.
I'll go boom, boom, boom there in the 17th.
Then Dawson knocks, gets peeled off and we are sitting on the
clock here at the end of the 17th round.
And I believe there was kind of a clear guy here in Tyler
Conklin that all kind of jumped out to us.
I don't even know if we discussed anyone other than
Conklin. Here, well, at that Gino
Musgrave turn. One of the things we did talk
about, and I think, Pete, you're the one who floated, it was
going tight and tight then because we were my bad, I
skipped over the Musgrave pick on accident.
Thank you. Yeah, yeah.
So we grabbed, we decided to grab Luke Musgrave out of this
tier along with Gino at that turn.
And then we were saying, OK, some of these guys are
definitely gonna go off, but we have the Ferguson, Hurst, Henry
McBride, Mayor Knox Conklin kind of group as a tier.
And they all went and Kaufman got left as sort of the last
one. It was kind of like the way that
I thought of it, but we almost got them all back to us.
Four went in the six picks before us that that stretch with
Hunter, Henry, Trim McBride and Michael Mayor right in the
middle of the round. Was that hurt?
Partly because mayor was the guy, right?
Like I've been drafting a ton of mayor.
I don't have enough Musgrave. I was late to the party on
Musgrave. I've been at the party the whole
time with mayor and no one's showing up.
You know, so I was. Like I'm starting to.
I'm finally starting to. OK, welcome.
Very good. Help yourself to anything.
Yes, the the Musgrave thing you guys pointed out like Ben, you
kind of noted that you know the the Rager Jefferson thing has
been a lesson for us. We're like he was in my dynasty
stuff. I was pretty.
Exposed to both. But then it comes over to
redraft and I just took way too much rager.
I talked to send away too much rager and as like how much do I
even like Rager over Jefferson? Not that much.
And yet we're our portfolio doesn't reflect that and it's
just such a huge error we never want to have that happen again.
Musgrave I think like there's a bigger gap between mayor and
Musgrave in my mind in terms of their prospect but like Musgrave
is a field stretcher. He's very athletic.
He was highly drafted and he seems to have opportunity right
away. So at tight end.
That's pretty good profile. Like do I wish he was more
productive? Yeah for sure.
But tight end's kind of volatile and he looks like he's going to
get opportunity out of the gate. So I was just glad that you guys
floated him as he cuz he probably wouldn't have been who
I would have probably been on Jake Ferguson like it was just
me. Jake Ferguson mayor probably
Hunter Henry. But Musgrave is a really high
upside way to play this. Yeah.
And I think a very fun thing. And shout out to Pete for that
cuz I probably would've done the exact same thing you did, but
Pete's the one who kind of pound the table on it.
But on the the Reger Jefferson analogy, I mean I think the big
lesson from that is when like it's not that it's wrong to be
that hyped on Reger. It's that when you do take a lot
of guys like that, you have to be considerate of who are the
guys that I'm not getting enough of in this same range because
I'm taking so much of this pick that I like.
And if there are aren't guys that's fine.
But obviously there was a Jefferson player in hindsight
that as you always talk about when you bring up.
Like, I really liked his profile too and just didn't get a lot of
him because I was getting a lot more rigger similar here.
We were like, yeah, I mean maybe mayor is a lot better than
Musgrave, but we do want exposure to Musgrave as a late
round Titan. There are other late round
Titans that we really like. We think there's a lot of
options back here. So it was a good time to layer
one in. Pete makes a great point that
Musgrave seems to be rising. It's probably going to be going
higher than this you know by the time we're in Vegas and and that
was a big thing for me too and we had just had the data point.
We did our main event draft the, you know, we're recording this
on a Monday, but we had our done our main event on that Wednesday
with the stat chasing guys and Musgrave went into 16th.
And so I had already noticed that like Pat joking about no
one showing up to the party for Michael Mayer like that's been
happening. Whereas Musgrave has been moving
up on underdog. He's now going early.
And so I was like, hey, if this is a guy we might not choose
straight up over mayor, but he's going to end up being the one
more expensive. It's like let's grab our share
now before he's like a fourteenth round pick and then
it's like we're going to have plenty of chances to get mayor
because it just doesn't seem like people are going to get as
stoked as him because of Jimmy G and that offense.
Yeah and he's banged up a little bit and you know one of the
reports is he got absolutely smoked in a blocking drill by
what's his name you know the really good blocker or the
really good edge guy Crosby. So you know, I don't know like I
I still think mayor could be a pretty good pick.
But yeah, like, why wouldn't you take the guy who's gonna who
you're not gonna have access to at this point again?
And we all would like to have an, you know, a a share of for
sure. Yeah, and likely was already off
the board at that point. You look at, you know, and then
the guys coming right off the board after it.
There's room. There was no tight ends that
went in the 13th and 14th in our draft year.
I mean, there's room for Musgrave to move up and fill
that void if the hype is, you know, keeps building.
I was just gonna say the same thing like Jake Ferguson,
another guy who had a really good first preseason game.
From a usage perspective, like, how does he not move up into the
13th round? Yeah.
You know, yeah, he's gonna. You already did that on underdog
too, to your point about Musk, Ferguson's already moved up some
on Underdog. Jake Ferguson should be moving
up, too. That would be another.
Yeah, yeah. Especially like you got guys
like Hayden too, pounding the drum for Ferguson.
That's always going to move to the market on underdog.
But I will say, you know, we get Musgrave, which I feel good
about. And then, you know, we were
bummed because I think Henry McBride, mayor, those guys would
have all been interesting. But I don't know how you guys,
we haven't had like a ton of talks about Conklin.
Like I view him as kind of like even maybe like similar to
Hunter Henry, but maybe even slightly more upside.
But I was pretty excited to get Conklin here, just considering
the other tight ends available. I think Conklin's like a pretty
good pick. Still like the the this is the
play seems to be intact. Like I think Ruckerts made a
little bit of noise, but I don't think the preseason stuff was
super strong for him. And then it's like CJ Uzama
maybe it maybe gets a little bit more than he did last year as a
blocker. But you know, Rogers is
generally thrown to the tight end a decent amount and we don't
think that much of the other wide receivers other than
Garrett Wilson here. Hardman actually like, as far as
like who can be interesting. Like Hardman would be probably
#2 on my list, and he seems to be probably like a rotational
wide receiver 4. So if it's Corey Davis, Alan
Lazard and Garrett Wilson out there with Conklin, like I think
Conklin might are in some targets.
So I like him. Yeah.
The big thing with the way they approached tight end last year
is they brought in both Conklin and Zama and I noticed doing the
projections. Something that was surprising to
me. It's not really how I
remembered. I guess I thought you Zama
missed something like more time. I know he was a little bit
dinged up, but I want to see exactly how many games he played
before I make this point. But yeah, so he played fifteen
games, so he missed two games. Conklin ran 487 routes, you Zama
ran 225. So we had more than double the
number of routes. It was a lot more consolidated
than I kind of remembered. I mean, I knew Conklin was used
a decent amount last year, but. He's not have played a lot and
just didn't run a lot of routes. So I mean, if we're assuming
that they kind of just go with that same sort of vibe this
year. Like Complan has a potential
like you guys are saying. I mean, he's playing with Aaron
Rodgers now to be with a much more efficient quarterback and
running a lot of routes, I mean it's definitely a viable play.
And then our our play on the way back though Pat you you were
saying well we weren't really setting up the stack, but what
about? Yeah, we look, I mean.
Durham Smythe has been an under the under the radar brand play
for me now for like 2 years. I'm just constantly and no one's
sure if it's a bit including me. Yeah, but like his.
The thing with Smythe is that he is like a blocking tight ends
who may now get to emerge as the pass catcher by default because
Mike Kasiki is out of there and. I just had an article come out
on these tight ends that I did the I didn't dive into the the
late season or sorry, the late draft tight ends.
I just looked at the early drafted tight ends.
But using this profile and just pointing out when we look at
like the profile of tight ends we've made an impact in years
past. It's helpful for them to be good
run blockers because play action passing attempts make up a lot
of the touchdowns that we see at the tight end position.
You know, and if you have access to those snaps, which Smythe
does, right, that he was hurting to stick.
He's upside last year because he's the guy that's going to
come out there and blocking those heavy sets.
If Tyler Croft isn't ahead of Smythe in passing situations,
which I don't think he is because they rested Smythe as a
starter and did not in Croft, played a bunch, then like I
don't know, maybe he's like super poor man's George Kittle
or Dallas Scotter like a. Blocking tight end who also gets
to run routes. Super Poor man's George Kittle.
He's fucking. He's fucking welfare George
Kittle. He's welfare George Kittle like
you're getting, you might be getting access to a 7075% route
participation guy and he's getting the play action stuff
around the goal line. So you feel okay about plugging
in and praying for touchdown. Is he that high upside?
No. Is he low floor?
Yes, but. You know, it's like a scratch
off guy. I think we're gonna know
quickly, does this dude have a full time role?
And if he does, like, well, shit, he might be the number
three target earner on the Dolphins, right?
So there's no high upside, but it's not no high upside and
tight and premium. Yeah, there's no one there.
This is the part that really sold me as you were making this
case. There's no one.
When I went through my projections from Miami like
Tyreke and Waddle already have soaked up so much of the volume
from last year. They're going to again this your
Tyreke was led the NFL and way to target spout run by a lot.
Waddle was not far behind and he's like 10th or 12th or
something. You and and Gossicky was their
third producer last year. They didn't really have a fourth
and now he's gone. And so I kind of have like in my
notes and have kept in the back of my mind like somebody else in
Miami has to do something. Gosicky scored five touchdowns
last year. I think that stat you pulled, I
did read a good amount of that tight end article you wrote.
Great article for anyone who's not, you know, reading those.
You should have checked that out.
I really enjoyed that Pat it that that stat you just
mentioned about the run blocking snaps.
Another thing that's very logical and makes sense right
there. The teams are going to play the
same tight ends that they're playing and run looks because
they want to show the for the play action they want to sell
that they're running the ball And so that's why we see these
secondary tight ends for those those goal line touchdowns a lot
like freaking Lee Smith and these dudes you know throughout
history in in and we're like, God, that guy scored the
touchdown. Well, you just showed
statistically why that happens. It's because the run blocking
snaps actually correlate to the receiving Td's.
It's a great stat for tight ends and it's a great point on Smythe
and somebody. Again, when I go back to the
projections, the other issue I had with Tua, his efficiency was
so high last year. I already regressed it some that
I had to have somebody else in their passing game be efficient
because get sick. He was pretty efficient per
target last year. I didn't want to make like
Robbie Anderson hyper efficient. And so you do wind up saying,
well is it Durham Smythe? Is it like Cedric Wilson, who's
going to be this third guy? But yeah, I mean if if two is
gonna, if like Mike Mcdino's gonna design a good offense and
two is gonna be efficient and those types of things, Smythe
could get those touchdowns at least and then hopefully you
know enough targets and enough of a role where he has a decent,
you know, value here. But the real lesson is when you
take your 11th round quarterback, it's important to
or it's to set up the stack with their spike at the end.
Yeah, exactly. All jokes aside, I do think
that's how you should be thinking about correlation in
this specific tournament, right? Where the way this format is
structured, you don't need to be going out of your way to
complete stacks. I don't really think it makes
sense to reach to complete stacks the way this is
structured, but when you take an unstacked quarterback like Tua,
could he have a top 12 season ping ponging weeks with Waddell
and Tyree Kill having solid years?
Absolutely. But if he finishes as a top five
quarterback, which I think we'd all agree is like within the
range of outcomes, if he stays healthy in this offensive
clicks, someone else is coming along for the ride.
In this offense, I mean, we've even seen it with like the
Bengals over the years, very concentrated with Chase and
Higgins. Like you'll have the Hayden
Hearst weeks, the Tyler Boyd weeks.
Like these guys can pop up and then you look at our tight in
room like Dolce and Musgrave. As much as we're excited about
them, they might be a little slow to come along or carve out
like a full playing time role. Guys like Conklin and Smythe.
Like, I wouldn't be surprised if we're playing those guys as our
two starting tight ends for the first few weeks of the season.
So yeah, I think making this bet cheaply on the Dolphins.
Through these onesie positions makes a lot of sense.
Yeah, I also think that you know there's best ball and there's
managed and like when we were looking at the other tight ends
available here, it's like do we want to take K Dotten?
Do we want to take know a fan? Do we want to take one of these
guys who is a little bit more of like a known commodity and know
a fan or a little bit better of a bet to have some kind of pass
catching role that we feel like OK about in K Dotten?
But Smythe is the dude who could be in a good offense and
consolidate all the tight end routes like, and I don't know
what the percentage that he does that is.
And I don't even know that I need to dial it in because it's
the 18th round. Like let me just see if it
happens. You know, like what's the
opportunity cost? Let me just see if he has it.
If he doesn't has it, I am happy to cut him like he's the easiest
cut ever. If he does have it, then given
the way this. These these work.
I don't know. He's like a 12th, 11th, 12th
round value. Yeah.
So and stacked, I mean what do you get when you're right to
Pete's point then we then we actually have to a stacked,
which is something we wanted to accomplish.
Yeah, right. And I guess someone might be
listening and saying, well, you could have stacked.
Gino would know a fan. But I think what Pat's saying
too is like Fant most realistically is a contingent
play. Like you need an injury for him
to really reach his potential, where like Smite doesn't need an
injury. Like he could just be.
Their third target earner, and it's honestly probably the
safest bet that he is. Yeah, I mean they rested him
with the starters like you know. And so my point again with the
consolidating the routes, just put some numbers to it, he had
40% route participation last season and Mike Issicki was at
55%. So we don't think of the
Dolphins tight end role as valuable, but you know, not that
he would keep every route he had last year and take over every
route that Mike Issicki had, but.
If he takes the majority of what the sick he had, we could be
easily talking about him going from 40 to 75 and 40 to 75 would
be a huge meaningful, let's fucking go type of outcome for
an 18th round correlated tight end.
So let's, because all we have left is kicker and defense,
let's kind of zoom out a little bit.
Look at this team. You know, people on Twitter
would say love your wide receivers, a little worried
about your your running backs and tight ends here.
How how do you guys overall feel about this Bill?
Because we did end up in the scenario we kind of envisioned
at the start, which is like we could end up punting 3 positions
here. I think the room did not punish
us at quarterback, so we made that one back quickly.
And so then it really comes down to how do you guys feel about
punting both running back and tight end?
Do you think we can survive this?
I feel like it's not running back in full because I feel very
good about James Cook as our RB one now.
I mean I'm getting really excited about him and it's funny
for anyone who listened to ship chasing last week and I I made a
case for Damien Harris. I was telling you guys in a chat
like it's changed over the last like 4 days pretty pretty
drastically. Where while we were talking
about that Cook had gone in the sixth round in that draft and we
were saying I or I. I know I was saying if you if
you feel this poorly about Harris and you should be taking
Cook in the sixth round of every draft.
And that's sort of just where I'm I'm heading now, where I
think he belongs quite a bit higher than 711 where we got him
here. So I feel really bad.
Where you. You probably wanna apply a
managed league bonus to Cook, right?
If Cook isn't the guy, he's not the guy.
Whatever. You probably can figure it out.
Like in the sixth round, you can survive it if he's not the guy
much more easily than in Best Bowl.
But if he's the guy like he's gonna pay off a sixth round tag.
Yep, he definitely is. And then you got so the question
is RB 2 and tight end. I'm a little concerned about
tight end. The dole such thing is a little
concerning and sometimes when we finish these are like which pick
would you undo? I think I still would undo the
Addison pick. I still, I think I still would
be fine with just the six receivers and and part of the
Ingram discussion. None of us thought he was a
superstar but it was guaranteed routes and a good offense and
and you know this potential for a strong floor or not
necessarily guaranteed routes cuz pat you made a strong case
that maybe he'd be someone who comes off in some of those slot
snaps. But the potential for a pretty
solid floor that I as much as we like the later on tight ends, I
didn't feel as comfortable with. I I I kind of wish we still had
Ingram. That would probably be the one
decision that I would say, oh, in hindsight like if I can
change one thing, it might be that.
But part of that's because the dosage run out has just been
unfortunate since we took dosage.
Yeah we were excited about dosage when we took him and so
we got to play tight end a little bit tough RB 2 stuff.
I mean I'm, I'm really into Warren, I know we all are.
Pat, you're you're really into them.
Moster is a guy that I think we we now another guy we have tied
to two and we could potentially even play early in the years
early because they're not signing anyone else, you know,
so. I I mean, I think we can kind of
make that work even though the Kendra Miller stuff hasn't
worked. Deontay, Foreman, Moster, I
think was a pretty big turn to give us some early season stuff
for, you know, to maybe bridge us to Warren and Miller.
I mean, I guess tight ends, where I'm concerned is what I'm
getting at. Yeah, I'm with you.
I'm looking at this too and trying to figure out like ways
you would change it. The other thing I'm looking at
here is like this run of running backs before the Dolcech pick
like P Ryan, A J Dylan, a chain penny.
That was tough. Like I look at this team and I'm
like, God, this team could use Semaj AP Ryan like he would be
the well. Kaleo Herbert over over.
Warren might be one, and I love Warren, but Khalil Herbert,
someone we strongly considered there kind of.
We're like we can go get Foreman later, which we did, but and
then it looks like that gap is I I remember asking when we were
there, like, is there, is there a three round gap there?
And now it's like, yeah, there probably should be.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. He looks like the starters, so
come like coming out of the gates.
If we had Cook and Herbert, is there two starting running
backs? I feel like we're like a fast
start team. We're like a fast start 0
running back team. So the way you do get there,
right, is you go Ingram instead of Addison and then we're taking
knowing like, hey. Both Herbert and Warren.
Is probably the switch. There is probably how it would
have gone but Pat you Pat was very anti Ingram like.
Pat was not that. I'm still Addison over Ingram,
even with the way it came out because part partly because like
we got Musgrave and we got Conklin, you know, and Dulcich.
The Dulcich stuff is definitely concerning.
But like my optimism for our ability to get tight ends that
we felt like had either upside or usability right out of the
gate. I think was founded like we
spent very little and we got The Jets starting tight end and
probably the Packers starting tight not probably he's looks
like the Packers starting tight end and you know Musgrave gives
us gives you a little upside as like the field stretcher guy as
well. So yeah like we definitely
wouldn't start a little faster with Ingram but I was put I was
sort of pound the table for late season upside with Addison.
I think he provides that he's had I mean he looks like pretty
good pick. We're happy to have Addison.
Yeah. It's gonna be hilarious to look
back on this when Addison's like, a clear hit rookie.
And me and Peter like we want a memory hole.
This whole discussion about a boring tight end over him.
Like we feel we backfilled the tight end.
We did it. Well, and I'm doing the thing we
always tell people. That not to worry about, right?
Like I'm doing the thing where I'm like looking at our starting
lineup and being like how could we have made our starting lineup
slightly better. But the whole point of 0 RB and
what we did here is that we are dominating people so much with
those four wide receiver spots that us getting six points on
average from our RB2 doesn't even matter and so.
In doing that, it's like OK, well, Addison, Deonte, Johnson,
it's like from this cohort of seven wide receivers we took
through 8 rounds. We're trying to find 4 smashes
and if we find 4 smashes for top 20 guys it will honestly not
matter what RRB to us. It just and it doesn't have.
And one of the things that is involved for me over the years
is it doesn't have to be 4 for the full season.
So like to Pat's point with Addison's a late season upside
play where early we could potentially find 4 smashes and
then maybe one of our receivers like unfortunately tears is ACL
in Week 8. But then were able to backfill
that with the Addison upside that you can't just find on
waiver. So that's part of it.
You have to have redundancy because things can happen where
guys can be good for part of the season and then get hurt.
Yeah, yeah, 100%. So I, I I kind of wish we'd just
gone Herbert over Warren a little bit for the early season
stuff but then honestly like if most if they if they don't sign
anybody in Miami most are would he could easily cover that early
part of the season for us and. Again, late season upside like
Jalen Warren has it. So I honestly feel pretty good
about this team. I think I was the most
comfortable with like let's just take the profiles we like and
like let the rest figure out itself a little bit of running
back in tight end. So it doesn't surprise me that
I'm like more comfortable now that we kind of did that because
I was sort of pushing us that direction.
But I like this team. I think we did.
Look, we got. We got the upside guy and Cook
that already seems to be coming together.
We have upside a tight end. We have upside.
A quarterback our you made a. We're thin, but you made a clip
for Greg Dulcich, so you're not buying any fears there.
No, I am buying fears. He was someone that you want to
talk about. A guy that could not be playing
much on on play action snaps around the goal line.
I am actually worried about Dulcich there.
He's someone I kind of wish we knew.
Knew what we know now. But but Musgrave, if Musgrave,
That's the guy. If he hits first, this team's
gonna be fun. It is that of all the preseason
like overreactions and all that like the dolt, like specifically
doltchic in managed leagues is probably by one concern of all
the preseasons like. Is still gonna have the two
touchdown games. He could still be the guy you
need in the playoffs. Like none of that has changed,
but like his usage, could be so herky jerky in such a maddening
way for managing. And and yes, I completely agree
with that. And like you know, would I
rather just have Dalton Schultz just to plug him in or even like
Sam Laporta? Yeah, I think I would just
rather have Sam Laporta. But like, at least we got him at
kind of a value. You know, like Kincaid went at
the a 12. You know, I don't, we didn't
like pay the full price for for adults, did we?
For sure. We get a little bit of a
discount. Yeah, we did.
We did. Just a smidge.
A smidge. Maybe it'll all be okay.
I mean, it is now.
It's just so funny going back to some of that language.
I wrote about it in the Fantasy Life newsletter today.
Like I looked up the quote again, that Sean Payton was
talking about the evaluation being hard on Dulce and all
that. Now I'm like, I don't really
like how this is sounding. And then Nathan Jakey at PFS
pointing out that Man Hurts wasn't even playing.
He could get some more blocking tight end snaps and I'm like,
this could be just such a fucking headache.
That was that was part of my take early in the offseason was
that we in the fantasy community probably thought he was the the
clear Titan one more than you know the new coaching staff was
necessarily going to because Hackett loved him so much as
part of the clip that we played for Dolcech.
The big Yeah. This reason that's included
fucking loved him. And we're always like, yeah, I
mean this guy was a part of the old regime when these new
regimes take over. And then when he brought in
Troutman, who he has coached before, Peyton.
Sean Payton brings him in from the Saints.
It's like and early in the Aussies I was worried about
Alberto, but he isn't like, doesn't even exist anymore.
He's just a figment of our imagination.
But it does seem like Sean Payton doesn't really see
Doltage as as clear of a number one as we do.
Which doesn't mean he's not worth drafting.
But probably he should, I think, be following a couple rounds and
managed to. To Pete's point, I I'm worried
about it too. Yeah, I mean.
Just he brought a packet and the hard knock stuff on him.
I mean we if we had known last year that this dude's favorite
movie was Austin Powers Gold member the the third one like
that's not true. Yes he plays Gold member for for
the team. He's constantly referencing Gold
member and Rogers loves it, of course.
But, like, yeah, he has all these facts that he shares with
the team about, like, gold members.
I don't understand why the guy's obsessed with the wrong Austin
Powers movement. So I mean, yeah, red flag for
his coaching, Red flag for his evaluation of all kinds.
I mean, dulcets. Could be, could be totally dust.
Yeah, could just be a yeah, could just be a Hackett thing.
And he's gonna be a tough one because some of these other
guys. We're going to be able to cut
and move on from pretty easily. Like Dulcich is going to be a
little harder to part with, especially if the Bronco, like
if Ross and the Broncos bounce back and like the Sean Payton
thesis, hits. Like if the Broncos suck, it's
like whatever, you know. But if the Broncos are good and
Dulcich is like his usage is all over the place, that's going to
be a very hard cut based on the offensive upside and where we
took him. Yeah, and I think the guy that
brought up in the article with the with that I wrote about.
For legendary upside when I was talking through Dulcich's
profile is Jared Cook. And I think that Jared Cook,
probably Jared Cook ran around on 66% of dropbacks in 2020, I
believe. And he was, he actually had a
pretty good year. And he just was, you know, he
was kind of a field stretcher, big wide receiver.
And I think that's probably what we're going to find Dulcich
playing, but. In order for him to hit he, he
needs to like basically break out, like have a secondary
breakout to get to where Jared Cook was in terms of like how
good he was. And I think you're also thinking
about like low routes, but you're you're hoping for a high
target share. It does strike me as something
that's going to be inconsistent. You know, like if you don't have
the routes and you're just hoping you get that really high
targets per outrun, that might be skiing, you know?
Cook, by the way, pulling up his 2021 target share, we said 13%.
He was at 12% in 2020. So Jared Cook with the Saints is
his bowl case. I think it's just, it's just
going to be, it's going to be tough to know when to start him,
yeah. Well.
That is our you know, we did a we've done a couple drafts on
stream, but this was the first draft we hopped in this year for
our managed leagues and always fun to get this one in the
books. You guys have any other kind of
parting shots? I know people have been
disappointed to see us drafting running back so much on our best
ball streams. We finally did a throwback for
the people here. Cranked it.
True 0 RB piss boy. Yeah, I mean, it's A J.
Brown. C lamb is a very fun start.
You know, if we didn't, if we didn't spend enough time on
that, that's that's pretty exciting.
Got DK Metcalf and Gino Smith, the cheapest those two are going
to be in combination in the entire main event probably, Yep.
So wide receiver, we are looking good.
Scratch any final Yeah, I mean, I think that's a great thing.
Like there's some, there's some parts of it that feel like this
is really going to have a hard time.
But also the ones that like like are not like a really hard time
but like for how close it is to a finishing the draft.
You know you'd love to have everything still feel perfect
and there's a couple things that don't feel perfect, but you see
the teams that end up winning these things and you look back
and you're always reminded that like it isn't every single pick
goes perfect. That's not the way it works.
And we did build a team with all the early receivers as we're
talking about that can withstand some of the bumps and you know
bruises throughout the season. We have some contingent based
upside plays late. We have you know rookie tight
end that that has upside. We have a lot of paths to
hitting on certain things. It's not probably a perfect
construction but like in hindsight, with the benefit of
hindsight, but it is something that or it is a team I think
that can go far if it gets the brakes and I mean that's like
ultimately you have to get the brakes as part of it, you know.
Yeah, well, you say perfect construction.
I'll pull this one up because we're doing another slow draft
with a couple guys in the Discord.
We got Clay and Gormanji and this, what I would say is like
shaping up as the perfect construction where we're out of
the four hole here, Tyree Kill, Tony Pollard, Breeze Hall, Kyle
Pitts. And then we get we catch up at
wide receiver, Chris Godwin, George Pickens.
Jahan Dotson, trailing Burks. I mean, like, you want to start
masturbating over a starting lineup, Like, no further than
the four hole right here. Yeah, that's a fun team.
So, well, this is always a super fun exercise.
We we know we were a little slow.
I didn't know we had trailing Burkes there because I was on a
DP chasing. And we didn't even check.
In with but I started bringing up trailing Burkes in the sixth
round, so it's not like. Well, we had brought, we had
brought Trail and Burks up when we were debating whether to take
Brees Hall. And we were wondering are we
gonna feel too behind that wide receiver?
And like Trail and Burks was the guy we had like feathered away
for, like he's the one that's going to help us unlock this
second detour here. And so for that to to play out
definitely helps. So nice.
Plus we also had a debate about Godwin Verse Hopkins.
Yes, so nice. I don't.
I don't want the double stacking managed from the title.
Yeah, I don't want that. So.
There it is.
If you guys are listening to the audio version of this, we do
have all the video ones available.
If you're wanting to check out the board, which we have shared
when we do these mini sodas, we are, like I said, recording this
on August 14th. We're going to have plenty of
main events and NFC prime time drafts coming up over the coming
weeks. Appreciate you guys as always
for being YouTube members and for supporting us as we rip off
a bunch of drafts. I'm Pete for Pat for Gretch.
See you guys next time.