Today on ship chasing, we're taking a break from best
Balmania and we are throwing on our running shoes because we are
entering the Sprint. It's one of Underdog's new
formats. They just rolled out.
Very similar to BBM, except there are no playoff pods.
It is cumulative scoring weeks 15 through 17, very similar to
FFPC style for any of you who have played in that format.
So we're going to talk through some of the kind of, you know,
strategic shifts we're making for that contest and then we
will naturally hop in a draft and get those those ideas on
their feet. This is ship chasing with Pete,
Ben and Pat. Let's do it.
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Fix your sight. Jamar Alpha play Chase.
You can't handle the heat. It looks like we're finally at
this point. You're right.
All right. We got Gretch, we got Pat.
How we doing today, fellas? Good.
Pat's muted, so he's telling us how good he's doing.
But now I was going to hear. I was, I was saying I was doing
good and I was running a little bit behind, but I've just I got
the I got the cold brew finally. So it's not in me yet, which is
why I'm talking on mute. But but very soon I'll I'll feel
a lot. Lauren asked me the other day,
because normally at some point in the summer, we both kind of
collectively look at each other and say, yeah, it's like cold
brews. Isn't like, let's stop with the
hot coffee in the morning. But like, best ball breakfast
has broken my brain in such a big way that I'm like, but then
I have to deal with everyone not getting the regular coffee pour,
and then the hot coffee pour doesn't hit as hard.
So I was like, we do have to factor this into the equation.
Wait, why doesn't the iced coffee pour hit as hard for
people? You get the you get the ice
clinking around. I feel like it would be better.
The thing is, it's just like there's these people out there
who come to expect the hot coffee pour, and then when it's
not exactly the same, they get really upset, you guys know?
Any anything that changes or is different is a problem.
It doesn't matter if it's better, it's just different.
And I guess if you're the type of person who like really wants
that coffee pour, like they're going to be a little bit, you're
also the type of person who's going to notice it changing.
That's like, that's what like that's how I would define
boomers. Like just the the their entire
existence is like, I don't care if it's better, it's different
and I don't want it to be different.
It is actually better, but it's because it's different.
I'm out. Well, it's it's funny you say
that because not to do too hard of a transition to the underdog
stuff, but I feel like the Superflex contest for a while I
felt like the majority opinion was like, Oh yeah, that's cool.
But then when I actually get to drafting it, I'm like, yeah, I
just don't like this quite as much.
But this year the the fill rates and the hunger for the the
Superflex puppy, it seems like there's more enthusiasm for it
in years past. Am I misreading that?
I. Think so I.
I've had no enthusiasm for it this year.
I haven't even thought about drafting one and last.
Year I the Superflex puppy. Yeah, last year I think I maxed
it. So for me, I've just, I don't
know why, but I'm just not, I'm just not feeling Superflex right
now. I, I was in Arizona when, like
it started, well, I guess before it dropped, I, I wasn't there
yet. But when I got there and I, I
was seeing my brother and, and family doing stuff and G2 rounds
in 48 hours. And he has three boys and my
cousin was there and has three boys and doing a bunch of, you
know, wiffle ball and all sorts of, you know, stuff.
I still got 4 slow, fast drafts of the Superflex in 'cause I was
like, I, I love this. I want to be in it.
And then I did, I entered, I entered more slows and half the
slows I entered were the superflex one.
Like so I don't know, I, I would be the complete opposite end of
the spectrum. Maybe it's because you maxed it
last year, Pat. But for me, I was like, I'm not
gonna get another opportunity. I also maxed the pom so I'm just
like I'm just want these slows to end I can't be.
Yep. Oh, you're in a ton of other
slows. Issue it might be you having
self-control when registering. For well, this is self-control,
isn't it Pete? I'm not doing it.
I just said that. Believe it or not, you could
maybe do 25. It's not.
How I'm wired. Yeah, the, the one thing that's
fun about the Superflex 2 is those opening days.
I saw some of the screenshots, two of those opening ADPS.
It did seem like there were some really nice things to to exploit
in that contest before the ADPS corrected.
And if you if you have the stomach for late round
quarterbacks, you can build some monster monster teams in there.
Yeah, No, I think that I mean this year too does set up I
think very well for late round quarterback like compared to
last year. I think in terms of like the job
security stuff, it's it's much stronger.
So like for the very last rounds, I guess that we had some
real big hits in kind of the Jordan Love range last year.
But I think like the kind of the punt like the true punts, like
the cheapest quarterbacks in the pool like Beau Nix, right?
Like Beau Nix is a pretty awesome tournament play because
he's going to be playing at the end of the season.
Also, he's probably playing week one too.
So the the the true punt plays before like Minshew, I guess are
are definitely I think more appealing than last year for
these types of tournaments. For sure.
Yeah. Speaking of job security for
quarterbacks, are you Pat? What, what is your confidence
meter on Drake May? I feel like every day there's a
new quote where they're like, Jacoby Brissette's our starter
forever until the end of time. It's going up.
My conference here is going up. I don't know if you saw it.
So he was behind Zappy, right? They did the full hardo.
Like we're still, this is the Belichick fingerprints all over
this team kind of thing. So he was the third team
quarterback behind Bailey Zappy. They did that for like 2 days
and we're like OK, this is stupid.
So now he's the second team quarterback.
They're complementing his footwork.
They say he's made big strides already there, which is one of
the big things, 'cause they're they're putting them under
center more, they're going to roll them out a lot more, do
like play action stuff. He played a lot more shotgun at
college. They want to see the footwork
improvement. It's a big deal.
I don't think he starts week one and I don't care.
And only he starts week two and I don't care.
I think by the time we're talking about week four, week
five with like a winless Patriots team, they're going to
have a hard time explaining why they're continuing to roll for
Jacoby Brissett out. So lowest point, lowest win
total in the league. It's just like the win total
skyrocketed. Maybe that would make me
nervous, but I just don't. How?
How are they gonna? How are they gonna sell this
Week 8? Well, they they sell it because
Jacoby Brissett plays above average and they have some new
weapons and they're actually closer to like a 500 team.
And they. Yeah.
They have to win games, they have to win games.
Them winning games is how is how you.
Actually, I I disagree with that.
I don't think they have to win games.
I have a, I have a lot of concern about Drake May right
now. I have a completely different
read on it. My, I was reading the athletic
article about him, about this naming Jacoby Brissette the
starter thing yesterday. And I, I, they're, they're,
they're just naming him the starter because it's May or June
now. But.
It's not that's not a huge concern or anything, but the
stuff that we keep hearing is like in that article, it said
he's the second youngest quarterback in the league.
They keep talking about the Patriots know that he has a high
ceiling. They also know he has a low
floor. He's a he needs development and
they keep talking about all this stuff and why do we keep hearing
all this crap from from the team to draft him?
It's weird to me. But the other big one is they
don't think they have the infrastructure in place for him
to step in like, you know, like a Caleb Williams has all these
good receivers and everything. They basically are like our team
is so shit that we don't want to throw them to the wolves as a
really young prospect. And I, I kind of feel like
they're laying the groundwork to like to, to do one of those red
shirt rookie seasons and be like, yeah, we're just going to
let Jacoby Brissette play the whole year.
At least I'm getting I, I don't think that's certain, but I'm
getting concerned about it. I'm I'm getting concerned that
by week eight, what they'll the other way they would they would
justify it is to say that this team's too bad to throw them to
the wolves and then they won't play them until like the last
month of the year or something, which is dumb.
But yeah, I just, I'm not concerned about that.
That doesn't strike me as like the way these things tend to go.
These aren't these franchises aren't franchises.
They're people and they all have their own incentives and your
incentives start to strongly tilt towards playing Drake May
when you get to mid season and you're terrible and Jacobi
Versailles isn't unless Jacobi Versailles is awesome and I like
Jacobi Versailles. I think he's a good quarterback,
like a good capable quarterback, but I don't think he's going to
be awesome to overcome the situation to the point where we
don't even want to see Drake May by mid season.
That's where it look, it reminds me of Andy Dalton when they were
very clearly intent on playing him over Justin Fields.
They did do that. He started the season.
That is going to happen. I I'm not like my head's not in
the sand on this. I don't think Drake May's the
Week 1 starter. He won't be the Week 1 starter.
I think we're going to get, you know, 3-4 games out of her set,
maybe maybe a little bit more than that.
But I think by the end of the season that the team with the
lowest win total in the league is is turning to the number
three overall pick. For sure, I think and and
everything you said is true of most rookie QBs that it does
transition in season. My point is I'm I'm just I I
still think you're right more more often than you're not.
I guess my point is I'm getting concerned that they're laying
the groundwork to then in week 8 be like we've been telling you
this since May. This is a really young prospect
and we it's not Jacoby Brissette.
He's playing fine. Like it's not Jacoby Brissette.
Like why the quarterback's not coming to salt Like that's, you
know, they get into the press conferences, they're like
quarterback's not our problem. You know, like you keep asking
this question and it's like they just, they put it off longer
than we want them to put it off for basketball.
Teams the way I see in retrospect this being a lose
like we this was not only didn't work out but was I'm in fact a
losing bet is that this regime never wanted May and it's Kraft
the Kraft basically made them take May and that they're
terrified of what May is May is gonna get them all fired.
I think that's if it comes out that this is like Kraft's, this
is a Tepper situation and it's all Kraft and they're like we,
we just so but that that's where I'm encouraged to hear this
stuff about the footwork and he's, you know, actually looking
like he's gonna be a good fit for this system like we were
hoping and all that. That does make me encouraged
because I think the the way we lose the bet is this coaching
staff never wanted May and they don't think he fits them.
Yeah, one, one thing that's kind of funny or I guess like a
paradox, right, to the point Ben was making about the team
thinking they don't kind of have the receivers or the ammunition
around him to like, given an environment to succeed.
I mean, that applies to Jacoby Brissett too.
Like we know who Jacoby Brissett is.
If Jacoby Brissett impresses, it's probably because one of
these rookies is like, balling out, or the offense is like more
weaponry than anyone anticipated, in which case it's
like, all right then, let's see what Drake banned.
Yeah. With these guys.
Yeah. But because so that's what would
be interesting. Like it's hard to suss out like
a situation where it's like Brissette is the one elevating
the offense to success. And they're like, all right, we
don't need Drake right now. Yeah, I mean like.
Laying the groundwork for him not being ready, then both those
scenarios are tricky to make the change.
Like they're kind of telling us they want to go with Brissette
and they don't think he's ready. Because like, if they're if,
even if Brissette's not elevating, but the offense is
doing well, they they'll be like, we don't need to change.
And if it's doing poorly, then they'll be like, see, look, it's
such a bad situation. We we don't want to change.
We don't care about ruining Jacoby Brissette.
He's our veteran bridge quarterback.
I don't know. I mean, the bridge quarterbacks
never stay long. Pat, you made a really good
point there. Like it's it feels that way in
June, but it doesn't actually go in the season all year long.
It's just the all the comments right now.
It's like they. Would expect that the the
baseline is 'cause they are like what everything you're saying
they are doing, they're setting us up for week 1 #3 overall
pick's not the starter. Like don't come at us.
He's like, but that that's what they're doing.
I don't think though I'm not reading it as week nine, Week
10, don't come at us. It is we've got a plan.
The plan starts with Jacoby Brissette.
Stop asking if this Drake May is the starter.
He's not the starter. So does this concern you at all
the the multi year? This is, I think part of
something I'm concerned about the multi year sentiment on
whether you should play your rookie quarterbacks early, which
ten years ago it was like you don't play them.
Then it was like you have to play them.
Why not play them, play them, figure out what you have.
They're in their rookie contract.
But I think because the last couple classes of of QB, we've
had some guys play early and not do well.
Like Justin Fields, for example, is no longer even on the Bears,
right? Trey Lance is no longer on the
49ers. He didn't even play the first
season. He's not a good example.
Kenny Peck. He could, actually.
Be a counter example to the. He might be a counter example,
but Kenny Peck is no longer on the Steelers.
It feels like the sentiments moving away a little bit and
it's part of why they're making some of these comments 'cause
they're like, I think there are people in the league that still
believe that sitting at quarterback makes them better at
football. Like that Patrick Mahomes is
only good because he sat behind Alex Smith, right?
Like that's the dumbest fucking thing any of us has ever heard.
But there's people that I think in in 2024 are like, well, what
about what happened with Justin Fields?
What about that? What about maybe they played him
too early? Maybe they ruined him.
But they didn't actually play in week one.
What if they'd played in week one?
He'd be awesome. But once they played him he was
getting sacked. Allen Robinson was bad.
It's almost like he can't avoid sacks.
And I think from like to actually drill this down to you
know, being actionable for fantasy purposes.
I think the risk you run with Drake May right now is
essentially like you run into a double by week at quarterback,
right? Where if if you are rolling him
out in two Q2QB builds and then he doesn't play until week 10
and you're basically taking a zero for a week with
quarterback. And we know that stuff lowers
advance rate. I think that's what we're kind
of discussing through here. Does he have to be in three
quarterback builds? If you have him in two
quarterback, you're probably going to start lowering your
advance rate if he doesn't start until the end of the season.
Well, not if you have him with Allen or not.
You know, like if you get him with a later elite, sorry, by
later, I mean a elite quarterback with a later bye
week. Yeah, that's those guys.
I mean, he's perfect. He's perfect there.
I mean, Allen, you're spending fourth round pick or third round
pick on him like he's he's filling your quarterback spot
basically every week. So you're you're really playing
for late season outside. So we talked about this, I think
on a Bestball breakfast stream is you have Lamar, you have
Stroud and Anthony Richardson on by the same week.
So that even with pairing him with the Elite gets more tricky
because you remove three of those guys.
That's true. The other thing I would say if
I'm going to make the counter argument against May, it would
be OK. You're talking about this like
whole thing and then what if he's not even good?
So like, OK, great. You bink like nine, he starts in
like week nine. You've punted off half the
season of starts. We do have them for the end of
the season, but the offensive line's not good on the Patriots.
They don't have good weapons. We're hoping these rookie wide
receivers that we didn't love, didn't hate, didn't love that
they are that they're good. Turns out they're not.
Also, Drake may just isn't that good.
Or you could just get Beau Nicks for free who's starting the
whole season. So I think like to me is I'm and
I'm trying to make that count argument a little to myself to
take A to take some more Knicks because I think Knicks is Knicks
is just going to start all year. And what if he's good?
Like it's cleaner? It's definitely cleaner like I
was just talking about in May, but yeah.
I was just talking about this on my stream a little bit ago and
and when we went through some of my exposures for my first round
of, of slows and I've taken a lot of Knicks and this this is
really why. And I I compared next to May and
also JJ McCarthy. I didn't really dig into
McCarthy much. But Knicks is like, if you think
about where the teams are AT and what they're telling you and
like the the Broncos have all this dead money from Russell
Wilson. But Sean Payton is like the kind
of coach where he's like very prideful and he has this new
quarterback that he thinks is the dude and fits his scheme and
is like all like, I'll take the underneath safe high percentage
pass, which is what Sean Payton wants his quarterbacks to be
doing. Zach Wilson isn't going to fit
anything that Sean Payton wants to do.
Maybe Jarrett Stidham could in some world, But like Bonex is
going to start and he's going to play the whole year.
I mean, I'm, I'm really confident just based on where
Denver is and with all the dead money and everything, like
they're, they need to develop him this year to have something
to point at for the future. And I just think it's, it's
different. Like I, I don't know why it's so
different in my mind. Like they don't have as they
don't have significantly better infrastructure around Bonex than
the Patriots. I mean, they have some good
players, but they don't have like a massive amount of like
great players on offense. It's like Peyton almost is like
tying his legacy to if Bonex can work like he he he came in, he
booted out Russell Wilson a draft bow next early.
He by the way, did you hear he tricked the Vikings?
He tricked him. He tricked exactly that's what
it is. It's the cock like he's the
cock. He's playing him.
He needs him to work like he needs this dude to work, even if
he. Sucks he's gonna continue to
play him. Because he needs him to love.
I love when players suck and they still get to put up points.
Like what's better than that? He's a.
He's a really comfortable pick and like correlates with the
Bengals who are like we're all drafted Bengals.
Like I got Chase Brown on every team I got.
If I don't have Chase or Higgins, like you also have
this. Game I talked about this on a
podcast we recorded yesterday. It'll be up today with the
rankings crew and it it makes cause Burrows one of these guys
you it's you and the T Higgins drafter or you and the chase
drafter. If you have Higgins and you're
just like staring down like who who's taking Burrow?
And if they're on the other side of the board now you're just
like you versus like some unstacked Burrow drafter.
And you can just bet that there that person isn't in the room
and get Burrow at a really nice price.
Sometimes like you can get Burrow like 20 picks past ADP in
in the right set up. If that doesn't work out, you
know, and again, you only have one, you don't have the double.
So you're it's just a single that you're getting.
And then you you know, you can tack on Burton or whatever, but
you push Burrow, he gets sniped. You're going to Nyx.
You know, you can get like and it's not it's not as sexy, but I
think like that makes me feel a little more comfortable with you
know, I'm not. So what I'm I'm gonna take
Sutton where I would have took Barot.
And now I'm gonna I'm gonna end up making this a a bow Nix back
door with the chase bring back. My QB exposure are pretty spread
out but I have in my first 34 completed post draft non
eliminator or super flex. I have 17.6% Bonex.
He's my second highest drafted quarterback and then I haven't
been three of my 4 superflex masks that I did as well.
What round is he doing those? I got him at pick 144 and one of
them at the 1213 turn out of the 101.
That's just incorrect. No, he's usually going like 90
to 100 and I still think he's a smash and superflex and.
Like he's a smash. There, pick 100.
Yeah. He's an absolute smash there.
That's where I got them in the other ones.
The two V twos you're getting off that compared to guys going
in the third must be nuts. I'm sure they are I, I, I so I
got them in 103 at this this one that I just pulled up.
Who went, who went third round in that in that draft?
Do you have the board? Yeah, I just pulled it up QB
real quick. Real quick as Gretch pulls this
up, we need three more for this Sprint draft.
If you guys want to hop in here with us, sorry, go ahead.
The QBs in the third are Jane Daniels, Caleb Williams, Brock
Purdy and Tua. I'm surprised Jane Daniels went
in the third. He usually doesn't, but Caleb
Williams, Brock Purdy, Tua and. The Tua versus Nyx and then
what's the, what are the? You have you have JT Saquan and
a Chan. You have Olave, Nico and Devonta
Adams, Kyron Williams as the non you know.
And then the the Knicks stuff is?
So I've got Olave and Nyx right now and you have Tua and.
At pick 103, right before him was Christian Watson.
Right after him was Romandre Stephenson, Zamir White, Stephen
Montgomery. Beyoncé jobs take him by 11
Knicks. Thank you.
Yeah, Hang. On Love, Knicks is pretty solid.
Wow, it's wild, man. It's really wild.
Yeah, that was the 103. The 144 was like I I took him as
my 5th quarterback. I was like, all right, it's
fine. You guys don't care about
quarterbacks with the five QB build.
Yeah, yeah, cuz I felt last year when I was doing those super
flexes, like you could definitely get boxed out.
Like it was very possible to get boxed out, but if you're getting
bone Nicks after pick 100 it seems kind of hard to get boxed
out. It does.
I took him at 108103 and one 44144 is just so ridiculous.
If you seriously, if you took it 144 in a regular draft, I'd be
like whoa, but I wouldn't. But I wouldn't be like, OK, this
guy like you would you would like as mispriced as you think
he is when it goes 144 in super flag.
No, like if I'd be like, oh, you know what?
He's he's stacked the entire Denver offense and didn't want
to lose Bonex. I get it.
I understand it. Yeah.
Yeah, that's the other crazy thing is you you make that pick
and then you still have all of the Broncos wide receivers going
after that, too. Right, crazy.
He's super fun and Superflex 'cause then you just grab Mims
and Franklin. And I took Blake Watson in the
last round 'cause it's 20 round drafts.
Spicy. All right, we're off to the
races in a Sprint draft. This is a total friends and
family. I see our guy Nez, our guy
Rotorun. We got shady advice in here.
We got some ship chasers, Mark in Jake and then a Reagan crash
Rich. So this will be a fun draft
here. Have you guys done any Sprint
drafts to yourselves yet? Not yet.
It's a, I got so excited about the the Superflex and just being
a lower price point, you know, it's going to fill way earlier.
So I was like, I'm going to push off the Sprint stuff for my next
trip 'cause I don't think the Superflex is going to be open
the next time I'm out of state. I think it's 50% already.
Yeah, it was filling so fast, and the sprint's not really
filling like crazy fast, so I'm going to hit this up later, But
it's a fun format. Sacrilege just had a great
article over at Legendary Upside about it.
Pat. Sorry, we're on the clock here,
so let's let's make our pick and then we'll talk this through
puka. Breece, Hall, A.J.
Brown, Garrett Wilson. It's basically like Breece or a
receiver here. I.
Mean I'm not gonna. I'm good.
Anyone but A.J. Brown.
I I would be. If you just want to take Breece,
that's fine. I would probably be Garrett
Wilson actually straight up here.
But OK, they're all fine. We'll just do Breece and then
get a a wide receiver in the second.
Yeah, I've done a few of these. I think the the most interesting
thing to me right now is because there are so few drafts that
have been completed in this contest, only 522 entries.
Do the math on how many drafts that is.
The ADP is still kind of wonky, even though my thesis is like
this ADP should be like near identical to Best Ball Mania.
I think the differences are with like how you correlate.
Like, obviously you don't care about an individual bring back,
but there are some pretty weird and big differences in ADP
because it's technically a different player ID set,
different IDs or ADP. So I think there's some just
like drafting this as you would a BBM team is actually kind of
like the optimal way to do this right now.
Yeah. Huh.
I love that. It's cool, yeah.
Like look at Josh Allen's ADP in this he he has an ADP of 20 for
some reason. I assume someone took him like
101 in one of the drafts and it's just like pulled his ADP
up. That's the only thing I can
account for. And Jalen hurts us behind
Mahomes. Yeah, that's weird.
There's weird. Stuff going on.
That's a great, that's a great point.
I mean, and that happens in I feel like I noticed that in the
the superflex a little bit too, where like the order is just
different. I mean, obviously the
quarterback, but like the positional order is different
and you're like, huh. Yes.
All right. We are on the clock here.
We are looking at Devante Adams, Mike Evans, Nico Collins, Nico
Devante by ADP. Then there's Ayuk Debo.
You guys got a flavor here? Those top two would be would be
where I would be. I'd be fine either way.
Yeah, me too. OK, probably I.
I take a lot of Adams and and a lot of Nico.
I'm fine with it, OK. Yeah, I'm good either way too.
All right, Terence, I might be getting farmed here, but I, I
just got to push back to this. The Sprint and eliminator are
too complicated. Give me a simple marathon.
I'm good. I I do agree the the eliminator
is like completely, you know, reframing your stuff.
But the Sprint, it's just like trapped in a puppy team, ABBF
team. I don't think you need to to
think of it as a complicated format.
Yeah, the Sprint. The only thing is I, I think if
you want to think of like where you can find an edge is everyone
knows the week 17 match ups, but don't know the 15 and 16 match
ups as well. And they're part of the, the
final round. So maybe you should lean into
like trying to stack up game stacks in week 15 and 16 more
than week 17 to get a little unique or something like, I
mean, that's like the only thing that I can even really make a
strong case for. I think the other thing I I do
like as soon as we made the briefs pick, I, I like set it in
my head a little bit. I was like, well, I mean, with a
three-week Sprint, a legendary running back is like, you know,
I mean, we've seen that in like the main event, like the
legendary running back can separate over three weeks in a,
in a pretty. Huge way that's what I'm trying
to think through is that it's like you need those.
So over the course of three weeks you you're gonna need the
massive spike weeks. So like I would say you'd wanna
maybe discount discount anything like replaceable even more and
boost up what is not replaceable.
So elite quarterback is probably more valuable elite tight end,
which shout out to to Pete's video that he just had out on
the deposit Kingdom, which is awesome on elite tight end.
I think this might be the ultimate elite tight end format
because like in 2021 when Mark Andrews was the guy you needed
to get to week 17, you didn't need him to win week 17.
You probably need him to win a three-week in 2021, right?
You probably need you. You needed.
I had Kittle in my BBM three team.
I think if it was a Sprint, you definitely have Kittle 'cause he
had two weeks, week 15 and 16 big weeks.
So I think that's where you're not getting, you're not getting
away from that guy. Madison's article made the point
about how even though the years where the the elite Titan spike
week was in 15 or 16 that they it still meant like a really
strong finish in week 17. Like your advance rate was high
but also it was like outsourced like or outsized positive impact
on even the week 17 finish which you can't remember the exact
logic. LaPorte is the best example of
that and just for a second separate that he was a late
round pick but he went nuclear in 15 and absolutely dudded in
week sixteen. 3.3 points. Still the third highest player
in the BBM finals. He was on, he was on four of
five top five teams in the Week 17 final.
Four or five had same. Spike doing Jack shit for you in
the second most important week. Of the which?
That was so to your point about the Sprint.
Team He just didn't use him in the final, But three of the five
teams use Laporta's score in Week 17.
That's wild. And then to your point about the
Sprint, the week 15 points actually matter for it.
It doesn't like, I mean, even in that format, the week 15 spike
week was that outsize, but certainly in this format it is,
yeah. Yeah, right.
You can't. You can't.
They don't get wiped clean, so you don't start over.
So it's like, dude, you if the Titan goes nuclear for two
weeks, you have you almost have to have them.
Yeah, this could again like I don't know why Laporta is
dropping in this format. I'm I'm fine taking Laporta at
3/8. I think you take cup do cup
right and and because I mean the the receivers are already picked
over and then we could get Laporta or Kelsey maybe.
Yeah, I'm. Pretty zay or zay is fine.
I didn't even see Zay so because the ADP.
Well, how much do you like the it's the two V2 of like the the
the tight end in in these. Rounds we could grab the tight
end, we could grab them. I didn't really.
We can. Grab one in the next round.
Too. OK, yeah, we can sit on Laporta.
I just the ADP, the ADP, you messed with me.
I didn't even see Zay. I do think you run the risk of
of having George Pickens be the best available receiver in that
next pick, but probably the tight end.
When you said the two V2, that's why I was like sometimes at at
405 you're like, shit, the the wide receiver's bad.
It probably won't be that bad, but there's a little bit of a
tear break that that hits here and Tank was already off the
board. Yeah, the the.
Laporta Kelsey at the turn isn't going to help our cause.
Well, that, that's not how I would play this.
You need to have found it's like Laporta.
He went nuts. Oh, and Kelsey also went nuts.
I guess it's possible, but I don't know.
You. It's about filling the lowest
scoring points with an insane amount of point you the flex.
The flex will have a ton of points in it right?
Like. That's the correlated pick.
I I when when we went Zay over cup at the last minute, I saw we
already had that correlated, but the cup drafter just took
McBride. So this.
Is. Basically.
T or or or grab Kincaid Andrews. I have no problem still getting
the elite tight end here early. I I'm fine with Kincaid or
Andrews. I would vote Kincaid.
Yeah, I've been trying to get more Kincaid lately.
He's my blind spot in my elite tight end portfolio.
That's just like happened accidentally for a while.
It was Liam's fault. I was just slight, you know,
punishing him for Kincaid. Kincaid was.
Underpriced by about 5 picks because of Liam because there's
a bunch of a bunch of shark people were like no Kincaid
can't be the answer and I was like I and.
Then I was like. He actually could.
And then when I was making the video I was looking at, I was
like, I have like 30% Andrews at like 4% Kikade.
What's going on here? You hate Liam.
Liam. I mean, it's kind of genius, you
know? He keeps the price down.
He tilts everyone so the price stays low on his favorite guy.
The way that 2V2 worked out, we did get Higgins, but Pickens
went ahead, Yeah. And three tight ends went in
those eight picks, which is like, I mean, it could have
easily been McBride. I think at that point we would
have preferred to have taken Laporta 'cause then we would
have preferred to have had Higgins, but Higgins may have
went if Laporta wasn't. Right.
Yeah, maybe Higgins ghost. I definitely prefer flowers
Kincaid to like. Some of the other outs, yeah,
right. Yeah.
I love the the irony for me is this is the most week 17
correlating I've done in basically inning draft and I did
it in a Sprint draft where we got briefs with Kikade 17.
Week 17, That's right. You're so stacked up for Week
17. Our comeback is gonna be epic.
We're gonna be in like 50th and then we're gonna Week 17.
Yeah. Like going back to this format,
I do think because elite tight ends separate from the position
more than elite quarterbacks. Like if I was deciding on which
elite onesie I wanted to prioritize in this format, I
think it definitely would be elite tight end.
For sure, yeah. Yeah.
Well, I think that I think because Hayden's done stuff
where like quarterback spike weeks do separate a little bit
more. My my thing is it's just you're
especially with the some of the upside available at quarterback
late, I think the chances of finding a quarterback spike week
without paying for it is better. So I and.
A three QB build gives you more shots at it as well, right?
That's. That's a good point, yeah.
Well, and that's that's what like.
One year it was like Kirk Cousins and then another like
when he was still in Washington, him and Jordan Reed had just an
epic run. And then another year it was
Russell Wilson and Doug Baldwin when he was a late round younger
quarterback. Remember like it can be these
like I. Mean golf Golf was going off
last year like it can be Drake. May in this first start of the
year. Not that I have.
OK, I guess I'm drafting more Drake May, that's all I need.
I mean it again, I think it was the same thing for BBM and I
think for the Sprint too. Like if you do go the three
quarterback route, having them all stacked up is like what you
want. That's what gives you the chance
to capture that one Unicorn game environment over that three-week
span. Now one thing we have going here
is all three of our current receiving weapons.
Two of their keepies have been drafted, Stroud is the other
one. So we might want to think
through some late round stack outs.
Yeah. Quarterback or wide receivers
just getting. Yeah, wide receivers are getting
pummeled. I mean, we're all like sixth
round wide receivers here by. Maybe worthy was still there.
I I would maybe put worthy or. Or.
Tight end. Again, that was a blind spot I
had because of the slight differences of ADP.
Yeah. Where was the last tier there?
Were these good? Also plays Houston and Week 16.
That's right. Nice.
I have a big bag of worthy. Yeah, yeah, me too.
He's looking fun. We're all Davis mana.
That was initially. Like.
Tight and every bad when he when he passed Roman Doones day, I
was like God damn it, and then I was like, yeah, he he needs to
be out of Roman do. You guys you guys want to see a
a funny story in three parts Benjamin in the chat from 3:33
PM Eastern. Pits over those tight ends all
day, 7076% in 100 BBM drafts, then goes pits all day when
we're on the clock and select Xavier Worthy and then says
Yikes. That, my friend, is what we call
bag defending. But I don't know, I mean like I
think, OK, so I made the case this is a great format for elite
tight end. Is this a potentially really bad
format for bully tight end? I think so.
We already made we made the guy. You're getting two spike week.
I'm betting on two spike weeks out of the one elite tight end.
If I'm if I'm going bully I'm almost overly focused on tight
end. If you're taking on.
Man, so many tight ends back there.
James Cook at these prices is pretty nice.
Wide receiver got pretty wiped out unless you want to do like
one of the rookies. JS NS going way higher in this
format too. Yeah, yeah we can do.
We can do cook if you guys want. To do that, or do you want to
stack up Nico Wazette or CJ Stroud?
You could do. Stroud here.
Oh, what's a pretty good price? In the sixth round, yeah, we
were just talking about 3 QB builds, but that's a nice price
in the sixth round and we have two bring backs week 16 and 17,
like we're already we're playing Houston.
And. This different ADP is really
throwing me. I'm in, I'm in on Josh for
Palmer I. I am super great.
God, you have one kid and then you're like Josh Palmer's
actually pretty underpriced. Great.
So this is. Used to play Miami in in weeks
15. Yes, Miami at KC home versus
Baltimore so they get the two Dome games in their one away
game. Potential shootout with KC.
So Miami's already kind of picked through, but yeah, I
mean, the stacking up Houston in a big way and saying Stroud goes
nuclear for three weeks is fun. Let's I'm.
Here for that, yeah, the. Looks like with Stroud.
Sorry. Good.
I was just laughing. Can can you make it so we can
see the pick clock? You're freaking me out here,
stalling for so long at I'm the only one that needs to be
concerned about getting the pick at a time.
You, you rest or you know, worry not, I got.
You. Well, sometimes I'm like, how
long do I have to make the? I'm also I also freak out a
little. I will tell you, I, I will say
when we're on the clock and how much time we have.
The thing with Stroud, like Stroud has this Stroud does have
a a single week ceiling, I think with these these receivers and
what we saw last year, like where he can go nuclear like
once and then like good twice and we're good.
You know what I mean? Like you're because the because
the weeks carry along. Like that's kind of what I mean.
Like if he if, if a quarterback goes absolutely nuts once in
this three weeks, like I don't want to say you're going to need
him, but like it's, it's a big deal.
It's a it's a really big deal. And the bulk cases for him is
he's obviously a drop back passer.
It's it's with all drop back passers, you're spiking TD rate
and you're spiking passing volume.
And they're playing Miami, Kansas City and Baltimore.
It could be three like legit shootouts.
If you told me he throws 8 touchdowns in those three.
If he only throws 10 touchdowns in those three games, he has a
four TD game and 23TD games because he's trailing and
they're high scoring. Like that's, I'm not surprised.
Like that's, that's the that's the CJ Stroud kind of.
And they have a week 14 by like he's coming out of the by
needing to make the playoffs. I love that gauntlet.
Yeah. Like they're dude, they're he's
going. He's thrown 12 touchdowns in
those three. Games post five week Stroud and
week 15. You guys are sure.
Fuck, we got it. We already got it.
Fantasy football is making a pick that maybe you don't
otherwise normally make it than just like painting the absolute
ceiling best case scenario for that pick.
It's so fun. I mean, I don't know how you can
you just route in every Sprint draft.
I mean, it's like you have to have him in every single one.
Best ball mania Week 15 doesn't matter so.
We're on the clock. We fix picks I.
Mean Oh my God, wide receivers dust, Rashi Rice just went.
Yeah, I'm actually there. What did you say?
I saw him open whatever you guys did.
You say Jonathan Brooks. He pairs nicely with grease.
Yeah. I think I'm cool with that.
And then and then and we're, we're gonna have to catch.
Up I kind of just refuse to let the room in this in this like
we're gonna take a receiver of similar quality with our next
pick. I just like, I hate when the
room is like, all right, it's time to take Mike Williams in
the 7th. I'm like, no, no, I'm willing to
burn this team to the fucking ground.
You cannot make me take Mike Williams.
I'm. Ready to burn this team to the
fucking ground. I mean, this team's not dead.
We have like, Jonathan Brooks comes back and gets a lot of
work late, is a very nice narrative.
And you have now two really good running backs.
You have an elite quarterback and you have an elite tight end.
Like, and we're just really worried that we only have 3
receivers. We have three, right?
Worthy's our third already. Yeah.
Yeah, 3. Receivers.
That's all you need. I mean, there's our starting
lineup is so good, guys. I mean, we're at a structure,
right? But like, to stay in structure
we had to do something that absolutely sucks so.
Brooks was a great call. I love him.
He's a he's a great pairing with with.
Breece with Breece, Yeah. And Pat's saying Brooks over
Jalen Warren is a real moment of personal growth.
I would say I couldn't see Warren on the board cause of the
ADP. We are about to be on the clock.
Jameson Cortland. Sudden we are on the clock.
Lock it. Lock it seems pretty good.
Yeah, for some reason Dobbs has a higher ADP than lock it in
this format. I think lock it.
That doesn't make any. Sense Gretch, do you see
anything else here? No lock, it would be my pick.
Or we could go Samuel with the Bills thing.
I think he's he's also viable. He's in that range.
I kind of think Locket's 1/2 tear up on him.
Let's do Locket. Sean got in my ear a little bit
about Samuel on Stealing bananas yesterday.
We were recording. It'll be on the next.
Oh, what do you say? I've been, I've been like.
Basically just like that he's kind of been a role player and
he's not like that good necessarily, you know, and then
I like went into how some like if you go look at his seasons,
his targets Prout run has actually been pretty solid for
multiple seasons. That's why I think he could step
into the target like vacuum there, right?
Like if you actually look at his seasons, four of his last five
years and the fifth one, he was injured right away.
He ran like 35 routes. He has between 90 and 105
targets in all four of the years.
So he's been like a consistent 90 plus target guy.
He's never been 120 targets or anything, but he does earn some
volume. He's not like and and some of
that's like gimmies underneath. I know low a dot, but his you
know, his point was like a lot of it is pretty manufactured.
I think I maybe got him a little bit more interested in courtesy
and when talking through that. But basically like we we talked
to the the Seahawks quite a bit and and we were comparing him to
lock it and he was making a good case on lock it to where like, I
mean lock it's always been really good, right.
And Pete, you you had it in the you guys have all had him ranked
higher than ADP. He's older.
But if this offense is good, if Ryan Grubbs a good coordinator,
if Gino Smith is still solid, I mean, there's no reason there
should be this big of a gap between Locket and DK, no?
Other than age. Right, it's.
Kind of like fall off a little last year, but it wasn't, it
wasn't a disaster. Yeah, Samuel, some of the stuff
last year, like he, he was worse than Datsun in open score.
And some there's like some stuff I've like, I remembered him
being better. And I think it's 'cause like
he's always like been so underpriced.
You know, you get him in like the 15th round or whatever.
I don't know. I'm kind of where Sean is, I
think. Yeah.
So our team so far, we got the CJ Stradenico, Collin Stack, we
got Breece Hall and Brooks at running back along with Nico.
We got Zay, Xavier Worthy and lock it out.
Wide receiver Dalton Kincaid at tight end about to pick here in
the ninth round at pick 104. Is there?
Can you click on the wide receivers real quick?
I know. So Dobbs, Shahid Shakur, Jacoby,
Judy Downs by ADP. And then it's gross.
It's pretty gross. What's tight end look like?
Yeah, tight end Bowers is off. So you're looking at Najok.
Got her. We could sit on Schultz for
that. We're on the clock.
Yeah, we're sorry. We're on the clock.
Dobbs and Shakur. Dobbs is like the ADP guy.
Shakur would be just with Kincaid basically.
What about the running back I? Saw Connor I would be javonte
Williams I. Think Javonte Williams would be
my pick too. Or or Monster would be fine.
Yeah, Monster's a good pick, too, because of Jonathan Brooks,
I think. I mean, you know, you're
playing. Yeah.
Yeah, let's go, monster. We'll do Monster here.
Oh, Monster's a great bring back on the Houston stuff for Week
15. You're right.
Out of the bye. Look at this.
I know you were like, yeah, I was picked over and I was like,
yeah, it is. And in my head I was like, oh,
Jonnu late and I had completely forgotten.
About it, I was doing that too. Jonnu like Malik Washington,
Raheem monster. Love it.
Come on, Monster makes sense. Nice.
But then, yeah, then we'll probably need to to grab another
wide receiver here at 1:13. I agree, but it's kind of the
we're doing it again, the 7-8 we we grabbed Brooks and then lock
it grab like the end of that tier as opposed to the kind of
the middle. There's a couple other guys
further down, Joshua Palmer, I know you're kidding, but like I
think is in the same tier as Ramyo Dobbs easily.
And Jerry Judy a little ways down too is just sort of
underpriced. We ended up talking about him on
Bananas yesterday too. He got like 40 million
guaranteed and pulling his contract and stuff.
Like people are just out on Judy because they're annoyed at Judy.
But he should be inside the wide receiver window.
He got traded for and then extended.
He's like a good player. He's a good pick.
He's he's not a fun pick. I understand it.
Sacrilegious tells me every day that he quits on routes and
doesn't play and doesn't want to play football anymore is.
That how your conversation start.
Literally I'm like, he's like. Gary Judy quits on routes.
Cool man. But even Sacrilegious says he's
an OK pick. Like I've always been behind on
on Judy and not really a fan of Judy's, and I'm above overweight
on him. I went and looked and I was
like, yeah, I mean, I've been clicking him too and I don't
even like him. You guys.
Oh, he did say he's an OK pick. Wow, look at that.
Do you watch Judy Downs or Palmer?
Or you can say you know ball with Dantavian Wicks.
I probably would take Palmer ahead of.
Yeah, I'm fine with either Palmer or Judy.
Do Do either correlate? Oh, Judy has both Kansas City
and Miami. I'm down to break tie there all.
Right. Suck on that, Zach.
Suck on that. This team got no dog.
Jury duty from a three-week Sprint where we can't even wipe
away his completely. So we got a Judy monster and a
Judy Worthy Mini out of that, Yeah.
Also, Pat, would you the the pause in the sentence suck on
that sack definitely helps. Otherwise it should suck on that
sack. That's where when you explain
the comma, when you need a comma, when you don't suck on
that sack, suck on that comma sack.
Yeah, I prefer to say it with a hard emphasis on the back.
Suck on that sack. Suck on that sack.
Or suck on that sack. Yeah, it's, it's important to
use, Yeah. It's real mature.
Judy also gives us, I mean, Palmer would have given us a
chance to go to Herbert, but I don't think we'd like Watson
goes a little later. We could go there.
I'm trying to think of what we're going to do at QB 2.
Well, Palmer was the pick for the inevitable Justin Herbert
auto pick then that's. That's yeah.
I was thinking about Herbert when I said Palmer.
Yeah, Herbert is a he's. A No Pat was thinking about
Drake May what he said Herbert. I was actually thinking about
Herbert but but getting sniped on Herbert and then going oh I
guess I'll just take Drake May again is is definitely part of
my process the. Watson thing, I mean, not to
like hammer it, but not because we have bring backs on two of
the three games, like having a little Cleveland passing stack.
Yeah, I know. Nobody wants to draft lots in
ever. We all have to talk about the
fun things we've done with our daughters after.
That's the rule every time we draft lots in.
My daughter got the flute solo and I went to a band concert
Tuesday night. She had a solo in their end of
year concert and then she introduced another song and she
did really well with public speaking in like a big concert
hall up by the high school. It was cool, it's fun.
They had did a blind audition. I guess that's that's they did
a, they did a. Blind audition.
And she won her. Her classmates voted her.
Oh yeah, the the flute solo. Yeah, that's awesome.
Proud of her. That was really cool.
She really wanted it and she did it.
Love it. There's my, there's my pass for
the day. No, I can talk to.
Sean Watson, nice about it, dude.
It's been good. Is Ben going to pitch Watson in
the 11th? Like what?
This. I'm just, I'm getting ahead of
the game. Pat.
I don't like talking about him. He's not.
A That was such a great story. I'm, I'm like, nervous.
We're reaching 20 picks for Watson.
We're about to be on the clock here.
Schultz is at ADP. If we want to do the double
Chase Brown and Eckler are the top running backs on the board.
I think I'm pro Schultz with the the Stroud and and Chase Brown
goes so OK. That would have been the the one
TS. But yeah, let's take, let's take
Schultz. Strout, I feel like if we're
gonna make the plunge on him, like I love getting, yeah.
You. You want him doubled?
I think you. Definitely need doubled.
Beautiful. We have a bring back in all
three of his games. This is how you draft a Sprint,
guys. Take notes.
Just just shut. Shut down the Sprint so.
Now let's keep saying nice things about our daughters
before our inevitable petition on Watson Pick, OH.
Man. Zack chasing to flute chasing.
We have range around here. That's right.
All right, here's the team so far, 1352.
Like we said, double stack with CJ Stroud, Nico and Dalton
Schultz. We got the double Dalton tight
end strategy as well. Highly underrated.
Dalton, Dalton, Schultz, 3 Running backs Bruce Hall,
Jonathan Brooks and Rakim Mostert and the other receivers
Zay Flowers, Xavier Worthy, Tyler Lockett and Jerry Judy.
We need a receiver. Tremaine Burton plays the Browns
in Week 16. I like this.
I mean, this is the we're coming up on the kind of rookie wide
receiver. Run.
Yeah, right. In rounds 12 and 13.
Pierce only get just went they both would would be in the mix
there. What's the What's wide receiver
look like? Yeah, so Cooks is kicking around
Darnell Mooney. I would honestly float Pulk
here. We get the bump.
Yeah, I like Pulk. I.
Think Pulk's my highest drafted receiver?
I'm drafting the hell I don't. Know unless really.
Yeah, yeah, I. Haven't really drafting him at
all. Wow yeah, you're drafting the
Husky guy. I'm not even drafting him.
I think this is definitely receiver Gretch in this bill.
Do you prefer Burton to Pulk? I'm OK probably break the tie
that way. Also.
We have two week 14 buys already, but I don't know if you
guys care that much about it. We don't have week 12 wide
receiver. Yeah, our top two are both the
same by as poke. I think that's I think.
That's. Fine.
Yeah, we, I mean, we could do poke.
I I have no issue with poke. Let's if you guys like both,
like poke take poke all. Right, I did.
Poke. Yeah.
I don't think the by thing's that big of a deal.
It was just a minor. Yeah, but no.
My thing with Pulk is you're getting, it's kind of like a
version of the Drake Maybet where you don't have to like,
like when he starts, he starts, you know, Brissett's doing well
enough to to power the offense. Great Pulk's.
He's your highest drafted. I got to start drafting Jalen
Pole. Good.
Lord, yeah, I. Can't.
I can't like not be on the Husky receiver.
That's your highest drafted receiver, Jesus.
Wide open depth chart, draft capital.
Everything about this guy's profile is like he can play, he
can play. He, he, he can bring in catches,
you know, over over the middle. He, he's, he's like a gritty,
like fights for fights for the ball, great hands, brings in
contested catches type of dude. And you know what's his ultimate
ceiling. But this is like the kind of guy
that I've like missed on in dynasty repeatedly 'cause I'm
like, he'll never be like a the 103.
It's like, OK, he's like a third round because he landed in a
good situation and he's good. You know, now he's like going in
a third round of redraft and that's like a huge win.
Yeah, it could be Michael Pittman.
Yeah. So like if he's Michael Pittman
with this price and Drake May's good, he's a fucking smash.
So I'm just like, I'm, I'm refusing to let like my
questions about like his the very kind of 95th percentile,
98th percentile outcomes like refusing to let that make me not
take him at a cheap price for, you know, what the what the 75th
percentile looks like. That's a good take.
My the thing that sticks in my head is there's some games where
he disappeared where they're like big games and he was like
really quiet and he like if you look at his targets, Prout run
the target earning profile, like everything you just said about
his like a contested catch and like the after the catch and the
efficiency is there. But I just don't know if he even
earns volume well enough. And that's the concern that I
ultimately like has kept me off of him a little bit, but I think
it was a good take. I I think I need to get some
more pull come my life. Yeah, I mean, like if it wasn't
the wide open depth yard, I think I'd be a lot more
concerned, you know, like have Penny earned targets next to
like if he was on the Bengals, like, is he even gonna be able
to earn targets with Higgins and Chase?
They're like, damn, I don't know, It's like.
Yeah, 'cause I've taken a decent amount of, right, I'm taking a
decent amount of Javon Baker. And I think I'm just doing the
thing where I'm like, well, I mean, it's I don't really know
who's better, so I'll just take the cheaper one.
But also like the Patriots drafted the other one higher.
This is kind of similar to when the the Bills drafted Gabe Davis
and Isaiah Hodgins and you're on Davis.
And I liked Hodgins profile more and I was just taking Hodgins a
ton that year. And then like Hodgins ended up
getting cut and Gabe Davis ended up being the guy that actually
played and they drafted him higher.
Like they told you that they wanted Gabe Davis more.
You know, like it's the same thing.
Yeah, and I'm I'm drafting a shit load of Javon Baker too.
It's not you can be clear. Yeah, I just I think, you know,
the Patriots and the Broncos are kind of the two most obvious.
Like this offense could all hit together in a correlated way
where we're like, Yep, 3 pieces were really underpriced, like
really underpriced. And all you did was go this team
good and you had a massive win. It's just like those are the
two. That's what Houston was last
year. If you played Stroud, Nico,
Tank, Dell, they were all weighted Jags.
The. Year before that, yeah.
So I'm, I'm grabbing like in most drafts, I'm like, all
right, give me like three of these guys, you know?
Yeah. Or even.
I don't have enough of that 'cause I'm I'm been so worried
about May. I haven't drafted a lot of him
either. I've taken some Baker for sure.
But yeah, I want to get more New England in my life.
Now let's get take. All right, we are on the clock
here running back pick if he wanted to do a Cleveland like a
four and a Jalen, right, there's Gibson, right, we have Mostar.
Would you guys take right with Mostar?
Right would be my running back. I don't mind it.
I don't mind it either. Yeah, I mean, I don't either.
They're gonna. They scored the 8.
Chan and Mostar had 32 combined touchdowns last year.
Like they both scored four touchdowns in the same game at
one point. If 8 Chan misses time and that's
right and Mostar somehow, yeah, they can both score at the same
time, Yeah. I always these comments are
funny 'cause like. The the whole point of the
examples is like the undervalued offenses are all the low.
What's the what was the Texans win total headed?
They were very low, the whole point.
Is they're cheap because they're not.
Expected to be good. Well, yeah, I mean, like, hey,
John. Like do you think anyone else
knows the win total? Like, yeah, we all know the
fucking win total. That's why they go in the last
round. It's like, you know, I'm not
taking him in the third round. John.
Think anyone else knows the win total?
Yeah, we all know the fucking. Win total.
I mean, I would love to to. Just take Chiefs and 49ers
players by entire draft. Houston's was 6.5 last year and.
It was bet to the under. It had juice on the under on
that one. All right, we are.
We love you, Jon. What do you guys think of Ray
Davis here with this? Buffalo squad, I like that.
Yeah, I like that. Yeah.
And Deshaun Watson win so. We we could probably.
Is there any other rookie like Vidal win?
I guess, yeah. No, no, Vidal is there.
I like, I like Davis. Vidal scares me.
The more I think about Vidal, I'm like, I know he's a little
scary. I'm hearing it.
Like Isaiah Spiller. Caught a swing pass from Herbert
today. I'm like Isaiah Spiller.
Like I don't want to hear his name at all.
I know I'm like. I literally had a moment where I
was like, should I be drafted some by Isaiah Spiller?
I mean like we I do think we have.
To be in on the the Chargers rushing attack somehow and I'm
very comfortable fading Gus Edwards and and trying to play
it cheaply. I've drafted a more JK Dobbins
than I should, but like. A lot of Vidal too.
And now I'm thinking about Isaiah Spiller.
It's gross. Yeah, I.
I think I'm getting the point where I want to hear, I haven't
heard like any like Vidal's making noise like I haven't
heard that once and I'd like to hear it.
EJ is in Davis's mention, so that's a.
Good side. Oh, really missed this.
No, I missed it. Like keep talking, I'll.
Pull this up 'cause it was very. We probably should have taken.
Watson at in the 13th, huh? He went oh wow.
Well, yeah, he. Went so we're kind of on we
could take. Someone who hasn't.
Sexually assaulted 23 women? Yeah.
Do we have any other outset per quarterbacks?
Here anyone else is there? So no, I don't.
I don't think so, Jacoby. Percent so Davis.
Davis fired. This tweet.
Off. Oh shit you can't see it.
Let me go to the sideboard here and get rid of this for a
second. So Davis fired off this tweet?
Definitely a non zero chance that underdog RB50 Kamani Vidal
never plays an NFL down. That's such a Davis tweet.
Oh my God. This is the guy whose agent for
Dylan. Lowby and Vidal says .01% at
most. Oh my God, what a great
response. We love con.
Fidel here at Davis Medic Industries, that's the agent
that he already had talked to, right?
Yes, that got him the Davis podcast.
Oh oh. Man.
He burned whatever bridge he wanted.
It as far as Kabati coming on the show.
Why? So good.
That's hilarious. Yeah, I I get very spooked by
by. Vidal as well, at least as AD.
PS Chilled a little bit though. From the initial rocket up,
yeah. And I think he's fine like I.
Think he's an an OK pick, but it's risky.
It's like really risky. Like that's total zero.
I know, but like Ray Davis, I. Think is a.
Pretty safe bet. Not maybe super safe, but he he
has a clear path and the draft capital and like what's so risky
about to be the the RB2 there? I I hear you on Davis.
I agree with that, but. What's so risky about Vidal that
he was a sixth round pick not. A great prospect profile and he
literally just might be like a practice squad guy so.
Really, the sixth round capital, I mean is the big.
So yeah, his sixth round capital and and not a prospect.
Profile I was particularly excited about, you know, he's
not like before the draft. I was like, yeah, like he's like
he exists. You know Sean was talking about
before the JJ was on our string. JJ was on the draft dude.
Both those. Guys were.
On him. So that's that.
I'm I mean, he didn't pop to me though.
He didn't pop to me, but I get he had.
Some stuff that was interesting and and yeah, he was definitely
on my radar to to an extent, but he wasn't like he wasn't a
target for me pre draft. So real quick on the quarterback
stuff, Gino. Comes off the board just if we
do do the Drake may thing. We do have a double bye week in
14 so we might want to build out 1/3 stack.
Here we are on the clock. Now we don't.
Have Well, we could do Rogers with we could.
Do Rogers. Oh yeah.
Let's do that 'cause we also could do, we could tackle on
another, we could grab. Conklin Yep, yeah, I think
that's. The move Rogers is better.
Than those other QBs I I made a just a throwaway joke.
In my tight end video that posted today about how like, you
don't want to show up to the BBM finals and be the guy with like
Conklin versus, you know, Trey McBride, regardless of how much
ayahuasca, you know, Conklin has done with Aaron Rodgers.
And some guy is like really trying to sell me hard earnestly
on doing ayahuasca. Like in the comment section.
He's like, it's a transformational experience.
He's like, he's like better shows and like.
You would be. Impressed with your content.
Like I was like, OK, buddy Pete, could you imagine going to?
Like some like ancient ayahuasca that, you know, ceremony and
they're like, what are you like what, what are your goals?
Like? What are you trying to get out
of this? You're like really trying to
like up the the quality of my YouTube content.
So it's like trying to get over crippling.
Depression. I'm like, I'm trying to get more
subscribers kind of. I kind of stalled out on my.
Subs the like to sub race is a little low, I'm sure I'd be
thinking about that. As I'm like.
Puking. Up after I had my ayahuasca tea,
OK? We're on the clock.
Guys, Javon Baker, do you want to just double that up?
Even with Yeah, we're gonna throw May onto this, right?
Can we get? May later, yeah.
The other thing is if do. We want to just get I, I guess
Conklin has, I lean on just getting Conklin and not.
Dicking around. But we don't need the third
tight end yet. That's just we don't.
We need the. Wide receivers, we're only at
six. Bryce Hall got like 9 let's do
this last year. Yeah.
Yeah, that's true. That's.
True. Bruce Hall's going to catch dude
Aaron Jones caught. So many touchdowns from Rogers.
Bruce Hall's going to be catching DDS in the in the
Sprint. That's happening.
That's the decent. Oh, baby, Yeah.
Yeah, this. Is a great comment.
The only darkness returned. By rig lights.
Well done, John. Take a bath that's.
Good, John with. The comment of the stream very
good. I mean, let's see.
Can I make this? Promise if I Aaron Rodgers
single handedly winds you the Sprint you need to do a live
stream Doing ayahuasca 100,000 split three ways 33 Ki.
Don't know if I can sell my wife on dealing with me on an
ayahuasca trip in my basement. I would do like going somewhere
to do one. I don't.
I don't want to do ayahuasca on stream though.
That doesn't sound like a good time.
He doesn't. Retreat with the other content
creators. No, I mean my Lauren had.
To deal with me, it was it was way back.
It was when Manns launched his NFT and Mance watched.
His NFT watched. His NFT and he got.
Hella cross faded on the screen. I remember I was on that stream.
For a minute, Lord was just like I didn't marry Mance.
That night, she. Was not happy.
With it, I made her drive me to McDonald's Lords.
That's. Amazing, that's.
Good. All right, so we have two more
picks. We, we technically don't need to
like we're we're good on the bye week front now that we got at
quarterback and tight end and did Conklin.
Go Conklin. Went naturally OK.
Whatever. Yeah, you guys are.
Right. Structurally we didn't need it
so. How many running backs and
receivers do we have? So we're at, we're at 5 running
backs Breeze. Hall, Brooks, Mostert, Jalen
Wright, Ray Davis. I feel pretty good about that 5
Slayton is a good fit for this. Team, I know you hate it.
But we got we got the rookies. He's he makes sense.
I mean, Jalen Hyatt's an even better fit by.
That logic I mean. No, it's DJ Shark.
Is a bet on early season production?
Shark is the. Is the God.
Shark. Goes Kretsch are you?
You break this tie. Are you Slayton or Hyatt?
I don't draft either of them. I can't I.
I literally draft neither of them.
I'd probably take Rondo Moore. I just said no.
He's like Riot. No, it's Malik neighbors.
What about Greg? Dorch, can we all?
Can we all agree? On like a little Oh, Rondo.
Moore's fine too. Moore's the one that I.
Haven't taken Dorch. Is not gonna I don't think he's
gonna play enough with Zay Jones there.
I think it's, I think that's. We could do, yeah.
Michael. Wilson, Zay.
Jones and Marvin Harrison. And Greg Dorch is the slot
receiver and and Trey McBride, didn't you hear?
If he was 6 foot five, he'd be. Megatron is what Kyler Murray
said about Greg Dortch. I think he's like I.
Don't know. So like he probably runs 60. 5%
of the. Routes, so it's not like out
there all the time, but he's just like he has a role.
He's like that classic undersized slot receiver.
That's basically what I'm saying.
Run on War's going to do this. Year, so I don't know why it's
drawing a huge line. Did you, Drake?
May go Drake, May didn't. I was just.
Going to bring that up. Do we want to just do the three
quarterback build with Drake since we have the double stack,
I mean a high upside? Late.
Season quarterback that we have double stacked.
I don't know is that even appealing?
I I knew you were doing a bit. We talked about the Sprint.
And having the, the QB spike weeks over the the cumulative
format. I, I really like it.
I mean, he could have a huge week, one of the one of the
weeks and it could be 3 quarterbacks seems like.
Maybe an edge in this format? It's either that or Alan Lazard.
Those are the options. All right, I like going Drake
May instead of. Me having to stomach a Darius
Slayton pick with Jalen Hyde on the board, I like it.
I like it too all. Right, Drake, I didn't need to
make us. Go Rondo more over those.
Giants, by the way, like I we could.
I just don't draft. It's fine.
It's totally fine. No, I think.
Like, I wanted a guy who's gonna be like, helping us get the
rookies on. You know, if like, Baker doesn't
even play much or Bulk doesn't play much, start the year.
Someone like a veteran there, I think fit well.
Doesn't have to be Slayton, I think Moore probably plays a
decent. Amount 'cause they do a lot of
11 personnel in that RAM scheme. So like and and like the the way
they were using 22 Atwell with some of the motion stuff to get
him free releases. I think that probably comes
over. Zach Robinson was her passing
game coordinator last year. He was doing that stuff with
with McVeigh. Now do they trade?
For darkest Robinson and eventually also replace him like
they they they might also do that but.
At the end of the year when we have pulled.
Convex do we do? We wish we had.
The I guess no, because we're getting this is the Sprint,
right? I was going to say, do we wish
we had the Joshua Palmer Week 17?
But the Jerry Judy gave us additional playoff Sprint.
Bring Brax, bring Brax, bring backs as well.
All right, I like what we. Did at quarterback, I mean we.
Didn't have to draft the Sean Watson.
So that's a win. That was a huge win.
Thank you. The Palmer thing, yeah, that was
a win the. Palmer thing, you could
definitely make the case we could have done.
It was kind of a bummer that TJ Shark went off right there,
right when I said his name and you seemed receptive to it.
And then he he went one pick before us and that's when we
took Rondo more. He would have been.
Yeah, a late round way to play it, Bring it back.
Yeah. All right.
Bindles wants. Me to do.
Best ball uncle Ayahuasca retreat David Montgomery.
I'm just going to give you what I imagine it's like being on
ayahuasca, dude. Shout out to all the other
content creators out here looking to get those clicks.
CJ Stroud, Aaron Rodgers with Breece Hall, Brother Drake May.
Far out. Where'd the team?
Go shit. Fuck.
Breece Hall. Jonathan Brooks Dude, these
dudes have like one ACL between them.
Raheem. Mostert sure hope we.
Get touchdowns from last year in 2024, right?
What are we a bunch of? Fucking handcuffs.
Ray Davis. Dude should have been Vidal.
That guy's agent is hella chill. Nico Collins, brother.
Are out zay flowers. You had me have flowers.
If you're worthy, we're not worthy.
Of this brother on our team, Tyler.
Lockett, Brother. I think that dude sold me a
house once. Jerry, Judy.
Guy's got no fucking dog, man Jalen Jalen.
Jalen Polk, he's the man that's going to get Drake May on the
field. Javon Baker, Now that's a guy
with some. Dog.
Rondell Moore, That's a. Name I haven't heard for a high.
Short King. Summer, Brother.
What am I, am I tweaking or do we got two Daltons on this team?
What a fucking zoomer name dude. Dalton Kincaid and Dalton
Schultz, Chill Structure, 3582. That was, that was Davis Stone.
How many times, you said, brother, there was a little Dog
the Bounty Hunter in there. I think I did.
I ever tell you guys that I've actually.
Met Dog the Bounty Hunter once. No, when I.
Worked at the. National.
Was there a bounty out on you at one point?
He was actually filming. For his TV show.
His, I believe it's his dad or one of his relatives is buried
at Fort Logan National Cemetery where I work.
And they came out to visit him like, you know, going to the
grave and, and filming that. So I got to meet meet Dog the
Bounty Hunter brother. Do you guys have any other?
Non ayahuasca tripped Thoughts on this lineup?
I mean you kind. Of you kind of summed it up
pretty. Well.
What was normally. Would I do the line?
Up reviews, I just do them really fast and I was like
really having to slow myself down I was.
I was a real. Nice.
Burnt out zone. Like I was like this dude,
various points. I was like, this guy has been
doing way too much for a long time.
Oh my God. I.
Guess the for for real talk. It would have been just if we
felt. Like we got behind that wide.
Receiver on this team we did, but I think we.
Survived and I was going to say even.
At running back, I think I wind up doing a lot more 6 running
back builds than we do on the stream.
And that you that you feel comfortable with Pete and I
think this group with Jonathan Brooks with most dirt, there's
some real games played for agility, but we do have right
behind that Ray Davis. I I think that would, if I was
going to point out one thing that I'm like a little concerned
about, it might be that, but I don't think it was wrong.
I think with the receiver stuff that you mentioned and then also
the three-week Sprint with the ways that receivers hit spike
weeks, I think you want the outset receiver.
So you have to be thin at running back.
So I think in this format, that was something that I kind of
came around too late. I want to be comfortable being
thin at running back so I can have the extra spike week
potential at receiver over the course of the three weeks
combined. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I. Think you know when you do
these? Builds like, you know, we're
going to need like one of Lockett or Judy to hit in a
pretty big way and then one of the New England receivers to hit
in a pretty big way. And then that kind of unlocks
where you basically say, hey, I'll take my Pulk versus your
Jamison Williams and Christian Watson.
Like if that's if you can win that 2V2, then then you're good.
And this is part of the reason I like Pulk is that.
Like in this environment, you know, that's that's kind of the
bet you're making. You know, it's not like you need
him to be an absolute smash. The wide receiver gets so thin
and it thins out so quickly that it's really hard to be deep at
wide receiver Plus have, you know, plus hitting on tight end
quarterback a a great running back.
So if you get Polk or any of the, it's not just Polk, but
some of these other guys in these rounds, I take a lot of
Josh Downs, you know, not like the highest upside archetype,
but like I think he's, I think he can play, you know, I think
these guys who can like basically come in and operate
like a 6th or 7th round pick for you.
It's a pretty big win in this environment.
Yeah. Yeah.
Man, do you want to look at? Our buddy John Gaz Bro's team,
he says he went team on Slotty. Do we think that's good?
So it looks like the one. On slots with.
Miami, Tua, HN, Tyree, Kill and Jonnu and then Indiana.
Indiana, Indianapolis, Richardson 80 Mitchell Downs
there as well. Yeah, I mean, to me that's
completely fine. I think if you do like six or
seven guys from a team, maybe you're like bit too overkill if.
It's expensive. Pieces but and and I.
I also think like if you're if you're making that bet.
And you're, you're wanting it to be like we talked about the
Stroud. Thing like the breakout team,
right? Like I think it makes more sense
with the Colts in Miami a little bit like Miami's already priced
in that way, right. But like, if you want the the
Stroud Nico Del thing from last year where they were all like
directionally correct, yeah. And the thing I mean, Miami, you
have two. Early pieces HN Hill but then
Tua and Jono are cheap with Indiana.
He has Richardson. Why do I keep saying Indiana
with the Colts? He has Richardson, who's kind of
expensive, I guess I would argue 80.
Mitchell at 93 is pretty rich. Yeah, I noticed that when he
went off the. Board that being.
Early, but he's rising and I guess he goes a little earlier
here, but he's rising in BBM too.
And yeah, he's correlated and you know, definitely has a
pretty high late season ceiling. So and and wide receiver was
like flying off at this point as well.
They're saying a lot of good things about him out of camp,
too. They're.
Already. Drum beat stuff of like this
dude, and I think it probably matters with him to some degree
cause like the whole thing was sort of like effort and it's
like which version of this guy are you getting?
And it seems like we're getting the good version so far.
Once he fell in the draft, he did need to.
Slide. And now it's like, well, the
Colts are pretty in on that. You know, they and they had
their quotes right after the draft.
They were really defensive of him with some of the effort
stuff. And then the drum beat stuff is
coming. And the profile was one that a
lot of people had in the first round.
And you know, the athleticism's there, all that stuff.
So very kind of boom bust profile.
In my opinion, but like you gotta be open minded to the
boom, you know, if you're kind of like at boom bust profile and
I think he'd bust, it can be. Sometimes they dealt with us,
you know. Yeah, so I, I think for me too,
like I'm just, I'm just not clicking Michael Pittman.
And so not clicking Michael Pittman and then not being open
minded on 80 Mitchell is like, you know, if I Fast forward
myself to December, like things I could be most mad at myself
for, like taking a correct stand on Michael Pittman, but then
being out on 80 Mitchell, who I was for what you didn't feel
strongly, you just didn't take them.
Like I I'm like gonna bring my I'm gonna come back and just
like, pummel myself. You know, you gotta you gotta
get ahead of the things that'll make you most frustrated with
yourself. Yeah, I think that's a good.
Point Yeah, if you're. Out on the IT was like last
year, I had the moment where I was like fading Ridley.
And then I was like, shit, I don't have enough Christian
Kirk. It's like, if I'm right about
this, like there's gonna be a way to benefit from it, right?
Just like thinking through those.
Spots and yeah, not taking accidental stands is is just
such a important part of this. All right, guys.
This was. Fun.
Yeah, like I mentioned, I do have a new video out on the
Deposit Kingdom channel on Elite tight ends.
Really like how that turned out. Definitely check that out.
What have you guys been up to this week, Gretch?
I know you had. Did you have a stream earlier?
I did a stream alert today. Went over 1000 Subs in in two
weeks. Love all you guys.
Thank you so much for for subbing.
Going to be monetizing the shit out of you guys going forward.
Just imagine if you did Ayahuasca Ben.
How many? Yeah.
I mean I could have 2K already. Yeah, 'cause I, I went to
Arizona to visit my my brother and some family and, and enter
some more slow. So I wanted to get caught up to
speed on a lot of the drafts that ended over the weekend from
my first run in earlier May and, and the stuff that I'll be doing
in the coming streams. So got that going.
Also, just fun little side note before we go, our buddy Hassan
Raheem's in my Twitter DMS right now because the USA beat
Pakistan in the T20 World Cup. Little Omni fantasy update here.
The USA upset Pakistan, he says time to burn my passport.
He's given up his Pakistani heritage.
Shout out. Our buddy, is this cricket?
This is cricket. This is cricket, yeah.
Remember we the. US first of all, yeah.
Congrats to us on having a cricket team.
Did not know, Congrats. We have on cricket team and
we're beating. Pakistan at it, right?
It's like a massive upset. Pakistan was like one of the
top, you know, there's like seven or eight favorites.
And they remember from Omni it was like, not yeah.
US was not hot afterthought. No, somebody else sent me.
Something because of Omni? Did we win or we just upset them
in a? No, no, no.
This is like the round Robin stage.
But we won our first match up against like Canada, and there's
a dude on our team that had 10 sixes, which is when they hit it
outside the ring, it's like the equivalent of a home run in
baseball. And so during his run, he had 10
homers basically. He's awesome, this dude.
I am so psyched that we beat Canada in cricket.
That is awesome. That's right.
That is just great. I mean, I like Canada.
I does Canada have a cricket tradition?
I assume that they have one, a better one than us, Yeah.
I mean, they're Brits, right? Yeah, you think the Commonwealth
play? In in the comments does.
Canada have a great. Cricket tradition those that's
that's what I want answered in the comments this week I'm just
oh, I went to. Overtime.
A super. Over.
That's what it's called. So what does that mean?
The the the match lasts a. Month.
Is that what happens? It's a cricket.
Cricket, yeah, it's, well, it's the T20, so it's like it's a.
Limited one. This is the other guy that's
sent this message, the guy who bolts.
So you play one extra and if it's tied after 20 overs each,
you play one extra each, whatever it is, over six pitches
each. the US won. The guy who bowled that for the
US is a full time software engineer at Oracle.
What would you rather do? Keep doing this stream or or
watch a cricket game right now. One or the other?
The guy who bowled an extra? Oh.
Super Over is a full time software engineer at Oracle.
It's the greatest thing. It's like something beat plug
something on legendary. Upside Pat, so we can end this
stream. Ben.
Mentioned that Sacrilegious had an article.
Out earlier this week on diversification, but also using
those principles to talk through the Sprint format and why
diversification is such an important part of the Sprint.
The way this works with Bestball in a way that's I think kind of
surprising, like how much it matters because we're used to
this format from FFPC high stakes stuff.
But there's no waivers here. We're not changing out any
players. We're not doing start sit.
The guys who score most points are hitting all the lineups.
So the diversification stuff actually is like a really
important part is to think through.
He gives some good examples in that.
Also shared some other thoughts on diversification that I think
are really interesting. So check out that article and
yeah, we have a rankings podcast that will be going live here.
So on the Legendary Upside YouTube channel or Legendary
Upside podcast, wherever you get your podcast.
Still working on my article on the running back landscape.
Hoping to get that out at the end of the week.
But yeah, that'll be that'll be out soon.
Legendaryupside.com/perks still have some $50 hundred dollar
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But I need your username also I I forgot.
I got a double header with David Kitchen tonight randomizer
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