1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,240 That shit. Hello, everyone, and welcome 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:08,119 into ADP Chasing. No, Sam Sherman Davis Maddock, 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:10,720 Pat Crane, Benjamin Gretsch with you here. 4 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:12,120 Look, we're not going to lie to you. 5 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,160 Sam kind of holds the operation together. 6 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:17,280 He's the charts and the graphs, man. 7 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,560 We are running a little bit behind schedule. 8 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:24,120 We're very excited to have the slow draft wizard himself here 9 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:27,640 on the program and that'll do it. 10 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:32,759 Welcome to ADP chasing. ADP chasing is for when you 11 00:00:32,759 --> 00:00:35,640 watch ship chasing you go these guys are just football guys. 12 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:37,800 And the targets for outrun leagues, that's going to be 13 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:39,160 really nice. Actually, back in, if it's 14 00:00:39,160 --> 00:00:40,840 Ashenet, it's. Scared to our crystal ball? 15 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,080 Close your eyes, you know all your entries are going to lose. 16 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,480 Anyway, yeah, that's fair. This is a Duslan show. 17 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,600 It's anti cabal, it's anti the best ball thought leader. 18 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,160 I'm obviously lying to some degree 'cause like I have a lot 19 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:57,040 of both of these guys. It's the most disgusting thing 20 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:58,240 you can make. But. 21 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:03,920 Man. Little Easter egg in there. 22 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,600 Little Easter egg. Darren Waller is on one of the 23 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:10,320 risers and Fallers charts from like 3 from like three months 24 00:01:10,320 --> 00:01:12,240 ago, you know, we were doing Darren Waller he. 25 00:01:12,320 --> 00:01:15,160 Was a he was a faller, Yeah. I wonder why? 26 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:20,440 I'm really I'm really hoping that in that in those fallers, 27 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:24,120 you that in that section, I was not the Darren Waller dude. 28 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:25,360 I mean, you're going to lose anyways. 29 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:27,800 You might as well take him. Ben I. 30 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,560 Drafted him in the big. Board, at least I took him a 31 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:35,360 couple of times, yeah. I mean, look, Dawson Knox versus 32 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,040 Darren Waller, like even at this stage, who's going to add more 33 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:39,840 points to the average basketball team in 20? 34 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:41,240 24. Awesome Knox. 35 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:46,440 It's not by much, not by not by much. 36 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:53,520 So Gretch, thinking about this show, the ADP stuff has to be 37 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:55,440 very different. The way that you were drafting, 38 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:59,400 where you were drafting in batches, where the landscape, if 39 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:03,960 you go register for 10 drafts or 50 drafts and then you come home 40 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:07,800 and then you go back across the border two weeks from then and 41 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:09,680 you're starting to look at these contests and you're like, wait, 42 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:10,560 what? That's not right. 43 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:14,120 That's not how I that's not how I remember those players being 44 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:17,440 outlaid. So I'm I'm excited to have your 45 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:19,680 I'm excited to have your your slow drafting thoughts here. 46 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,400 I, I'm beginning to enter into slow draft hell a bit myself, 47 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:25,360 'cause I'm just not gonna be able to get all the drafts in 48 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,520 that I want if I if I don't. But Ben, how you doing bud? 49 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:30,680 I'm doing good. What you just described is very 50 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:32,640 true. I'm definitely not drafting fast 51 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:34,960 like every day. And so I'm not seeing the real 52 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,400 time stuff. But there is when you're in a 53 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,120 ton of slows and you're in the same part of the all the drafts 54 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:41,880 at once. There are those ones that you 55 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:43,600 you get in real time. You're like, oh, that guy's 56 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:45,760 going ahead of ADP in every draft that I'm in. 57 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:47,840 Every draft. That's so true. 58 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,440 Yeah, and or Stefan Diggs just goes behind ADP in every draft. 59 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:54,680 Right. Oh, he's the top ADP value in 60 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:56,120 every draft. That I've ever seen now. 61 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,440 Well, you know that is, that is. Better stop clicking him. 62 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:02,560 That is well, that's to be honest, you guys realize that 63 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:06,240 self selecting right, because you are one of the 12 drafters 64 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,040 and you don't take that guy. I realize I take. 65 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:09,480 Diggs. No, I take Diggs. 66 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:11,960 That's I'm like, I'm taking diggs again. 67 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,240 This is just starting to feel like a lot but. 68 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,160 What happens to me is it's like, oh, he's the one that ADP is 69 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:20,240 showing us a huge value. And so many my drafts are at 70 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:22,240 this stage right now, high percentage because they're all 71 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:23,840 running. You know, I'm doing 40 drafts at 72 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,080 once. And if I take him as like the 73 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,880 value guy and I'm going to wind up with a lot of exposure to 74 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:30,640 Dicks, right? Like I have to be intelligent 75 00:03:30,640 --> 00:03:32,320 about. Which I like, think I'm OK with, 76 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,200 you know, I'm like I. I would caution you, I would 77 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,720 caution you on that, that that I think is not. 78 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,960 I think that's much more of a comfy 7% blanket. 79 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:44,520 Then you get to the season and you never really felt that 80 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,040 strong about it. Well, he's so he's going in the 81 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,120 late round, so he's he's like wide receiver 50. 82 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:52,640 Are you guys saying I thought you were saying digs? 83 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,760 No, no, I no, I didn't. The joke didn't land. 84 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:58,440 I'm saying he's going late 3rd so he's wide receiver 50 but. 85 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:01,800 God dammit. OK, that's on me. 86 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,840 That's on me, that's on me. That was a good joke. 87 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,120 And I stepped all over. If that would be if I did that 88 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,040 to Pete during the Oversets overview, he would. 89 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,640 He would rightfully be angry. Yeah. 90 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:16,320 I mean, I take Tank over digs 'cause I don't want that bag. 91 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:18,800 You take it straight up, you would take tank over digs. 92 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,640 I do, I I do take him straight up. 93 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:25,960 Yeah. I just, I want more 2424 year 94 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:31,320 old guys who do not have exploited ceilings in weeks 1516 95 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,280 and 17. Like if I'm thinking of ways 96 00:04:34,280 --> 00:04:37,640 that digs kills you, you know, you know how digs you could feel 97 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:41,160 that digs kills you. Diggs has a very Adam Thielen 98 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:44,800 weeks three to 10 where he's got he's got a bunch of like 11 99 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:46,840 catch games. He's looking great. 100 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,680 And then all of a sudden you show up in week 14 and Diggs, 101 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,760 his ankle is bothering him and you're like, oh, actually, turns 102 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:56,000 out Diggs was not the guy that I needed in 2024. 103 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,360 He's he's turning 31 in November. 104 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,720 So it's not like he's super young, but he's not, this isn't 105 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:02,960 feel. I mean, he's like two or three 106 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:06,520 years younger than Thielen and he's won with crowds instead of 107 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,560 young. So his weighted targets Prout 108 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,720 run last year I know in the intro Sam's like he he would 109 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:14,840 crush a target sprout run leagues. 110 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,680 The weighted targets Prout run last year that includes air 111 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:22,600 yards and his targets Prout run last year was a career high by a 112 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:24,760 small fraction of a percent, but a career high. 113 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:28,040 His weighted targets, Prout run tied his career high from 2022. 114 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,320 He's been super consistent the last four or five years in 115 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,160 volume earning. He was a 1.99 yards per out run 116 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,400 guy last year because the yards per target was weaker last year. 117 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,120 There's some concern about that, but that's been all discussed as 118 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,120 like Joe Brady took over the offense and made him throw 119 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,360 short. Like that's been used as a, you 120 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,920 know, an explanation for a ton of stuff on Buffalo side. 121 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,320 Of things, I think I I think I disagree with that as the 122 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,920 explanatory variable. I mean, I think it's the worst 123 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:54,280 in the. Playoffs games 1.68 and 0.51 124 00:05:54,280 --> 00:05:56,840 yards per hour. So he dropped to to 1.89, which 125 00:05:56,840 --> 00:05:59,280 is not, I think. I think that's a big part of it 126 00:05:59,280 --> 00:06:02,280 though, of why he's fought. People are just like he left us 127 00:06:02,280 --> 00:06:04,840 with a bad taste in our mouths. He kind of fell off. 128 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:10,000 Like, you know, my argument is so I the the the point about the 129 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,000 the playoff stuff is interesting, but my argument is 130 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,760 like for the season, his way to target Sprout run still really 131 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:19,080 like saying career high for him. Also top ten in the NFL higher 132 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:22,000 than Nico and Tank, who are both very strong and they're all 133 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:25,040 right in the same range. So not hired by a lot, but like 134 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,680 not a guy that is like to to Pat's point, he's not at 135 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:30,680 feeling's age like you're saying, like he's going to fall 136 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,160 off late in the year. What evidence is there that he's 137 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:37,040 not going to other than he did late last season, but that he's 138 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,760 not going to earn volume? I mean that that is that is my 139 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,680 my evidence would be twofold. The evidence would be one. 140 00:06:42,840 --> 00:06:45,400 He did it last season. He actually started out quite 141 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:49,680 strong last season. It wasn't leading to wins for 142 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,680 the Bills. I mean, look, like obviously 143 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:54,840 that stuff's a little bit overblown because the Bill's 144 00:06:54,840 --> 00:06:56,680 offense was fine, they were just getting unlucky. 145 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:58,800 He also was playing next to like, only pretty. 146 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,600 Good last year. Yeah, they he was also playing 147 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,960 next to like only dog shit players like like Gabe Davis 148 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:10,320 noted what what Gabe Davis is is like one of the worst targets 149 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,920 per route run guys like in the history of the NFL. 150 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,200 We had it on the show last week. I forget the number. 151 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,280 I'm not Sam. I, I, I for sure that's gonna be 152 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,080 a little no. It's like it's like for guys who 153 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,000 it's like for guys who have run the number of routes that he has 154 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:28,200 run, he's got like an MBS level of targets per out run it. 155 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:31,280 It's really, really bad and. It's not that bad. 156 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:32,400 I look at targets per out run dude. 157 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:33,800 It's just not that bad, especially when you. 158 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,360 Control I want to say. Plus A dot, it's not that bad. 159 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:40,080 I want to say 16% of his routes here, that's not bad. 160 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,520 That's exactly where he's at. But that's not that bad. 161 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,920 That's not like it's bad to Marcus Robinson once out of 162 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:49,080 season with the Chiefs where he earned a a target on 7% of his 163 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:50,520 routes. Like when you're talking about 164 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,440 the worst of all time, Like no, it's. 165 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:54,720 Yeah, we got a long way. JJ Ortega, White side there, 166 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:55,160 there you. Go. 167 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:56,520 You got to here's here's the deal. 168 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:58,600 You got to adjust. You got to adjust for Davis 169 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:02,640 Maddock hyperbole when I say. You cut it in half, that's a 170 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:03,760 50%. Right. 171 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:06,240 I was, I was, I was directionally, I was 172 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:11,600 directionally accurate and. Yes, is a 13% guy over the last 173 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:13,720 his three-year average. My my lookup thing has a 174 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,000 three-year average, which yeah, I mean last year he was at 9% 175 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:19,720 like that's been getting worse. So MBS is still meaningfully. 176 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,360 Low guys, do you know what team Orthega Whiteside is on right 177 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:24,200 now? No Eagles? 178 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,600 Well, he's Disney. Well, actually I don't even, I 179 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:29,120 don't know because but he's wearing. 180 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,640 So he's listed as only having ever played for the Eagles, but 181 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,640 then on his PFF page he's wearing Falcons jersey. 182 00:08:36,039 --> 00:08:39,320 He he was a tight end, He got, he got converted as a type. 183 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,080 The Seahawks, the Seahawks or the. 184 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,400 Steelers. Sorry, the Steelers. 185 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,200 The reigns fire. So his he has a career targets 186 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,960 for outright oh, 7%. I've got a, I've got a better, 187 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:53,280 I've got a better update for you. 188 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,760 He's actually on the Toronto Argonauts of the Canadians is 189 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:57,560 where he's currently on. Why? 190 00:08:57,560 --> 00:08:59,400 Did they give him a Falcons jersey on PFF? 191 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,560 It's crazy. Is he, is that a true stat 192 00:09:02,560 --> 00:09:04,840 'cause I was naming at 7%? Oh, Europe teams. 193 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:09,520 Oh, is he actually? On the top no, he is he he well, 194 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:11,840 it's one of those deals where he signed a deal with them like 195 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,280 they own his rights, but I I can't say if he's actually 196 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:18,840 playing with them right now Here's the deal. 197 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:23,760 Yigs is fine. I I'm more in the I'm more in 198 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,520 the I prefer a comfy 4% blanket of him we. 199 00:09:26,560 --> 00:09:28,560 Haven't even started the show, this was just my. 200 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,160 Like an example of like. There you go. 201 00:09:31,560 --> 00:09:33,160 Slow trap. But. 202 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,960 Dicks is always the guy the top. Eight, I think Dicks is a target 203 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,880 in the late 3rd. I mean, he's playing with CJ 204 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,440 Stroud. He's still he hasn't like Oh no, 205 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,800 he had 1.89 yards per hour and including the playoffs. 206 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,280 I guess he's washed like that's pretty good. 207 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,480 It's not. I don't, I don't think he's, I 208 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,480 don't think he's washed, but I don't think that he is 209 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:55,640 meaningfully different in terms of range of outcomes for the 210 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,960 guys who go like full rounds later than him. 211 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,600 So let me let me do the crystal ball thing really quick. 212 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:03,720 Let me. Because. 213 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:08,400 Michael Collins last year, 26% targets per out run Took a 214 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,360 meaningful step forward, but the first two years was good, not 215 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:15,360 great. Stefan Diggs has been a a more 216 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:18,760 of an alpha target owner over multiple seasons for a lot 217 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:23,440 longer than Nico Collins has been and Tank Dell was good last 218 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:25,240 year. But again, those two guys also 219 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,840 were going are were competing for targets against Robert 220 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:31,320 Woods. And Noah Brown and. 221 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:33,560 Noah Brown, who had a career year. 222 00:10:33,560 --> 00:10:37,400 Robert Woods Robert Woods made the final active roster of the 223 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:39,840 winning Big Board team. OK, the people. 224 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:41,720 People are saying this more and more. 225 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,040 Also had a career high targets per out run. 226 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:47,120 Noah Brown, like he actually went out and had a strong season 227 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,920 in this type of atmosphere where most of his routes came late in 228 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:51,600 the year after after Dell got hurt. 229 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,360 And he's competing also with Robert Woods, who literally 230 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,160 couldn't have earned a target if it hit him in the face. 231 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,360 The the the crystal ball thing is, what if Diggs comes in and 232 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:03,160 it's legitimately the number one? 233 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,480 Nico is also a huge part of the offense, but it's sort of like 234 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:11,560 the secondary guy to to Diggs legit alpha #1 which he's been 235 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,440 at every stop. He was all of his years in 236 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:16,600 Buffalo. And Tank Dell is like the 237 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:20,000 rotational third, like he's the two, two Atwell of the 238 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,280 situation. And it's like a Diggs 'cause 239 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,160 he's smaller and he's more, you know, situationally used. 240 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,520 And it's Diggs Collins as like these two alphas and, and truly 241 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:31,480 Diggs as the number one. I mean, does that? 242 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:35,840 Is that completely out of the? No, I sign that a deep like you 243 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,520 run the season 1000 times. There's some number of the 244 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:40,640 seasons where that's exactly how you describe it. 245 00:11:40,680 --> 00:11:44,400 Collins is the deep threat. Dell is the you know, the the 246 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:48,360 rotational piece, the guy who gets more the gadgety design 247 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,560 stuff. He's not a a 26% target share 248 00:11:51,560 --> 00:11:54,640 guy. You you could see Diggs pretty 249 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:58,160 easily be a 2930% targeture guy the way he has been. 250 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:01,920 Like I assigned that some number of probability, but I assigned 251 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:05,680 it a lower number of probability than Nico is actually the big 252 00:12:05,680 --> 00:12:08,240 dog. You know, Nico is the one who is 253 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:12,560 like just the best player, the best at getting open and that 254 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:16,320 Dell actually at this stage in his career is like pretty 255 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,600 comparable and being able to convert a lot of the 256 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,040 intermediate stuff that Diggs is. 257 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:25,360 It would be kind of shocking. Imagine talking to last July 258 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:29,240 version of yourself and and the information that you're going to 259 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:34,840 get is Stefan Diggs is going to have 1.89 yards per out run and 260 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:39,640 and be a strong target earner and then he's going to go to the 261 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:41,320 Texans. It turns out CJ Stroud is a 262 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:46,040 budding superstar, and universally we're going to 263 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:48,240 prefer Nico Collins. And his and his 80. 264 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,720 Three-year high. Also I. 265 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,600 Also. I also strongly preferred Nico 266 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,160 Collins and I take him in the second more comfortably than I 267 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:01,240 take Diggs in the 3rd. So like the the chats say like 268 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:03,440 somebody had a funny comment that I'm I'm understanding the 269 00:13:03,560 --> 00:13:06,600 the progression of breakouts. No, I mean like Nico's breakout 270 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:08,320 was real for me big time. And the fact. 271 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:11,440 That he was better. Right, once Tank went down, the 272 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,880 fact that he was better as a legit #1 and earned volume and 273 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:18,240 and with like target competition, you know, no target 274 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,000 competition with defensive attention on him down the 275 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,360 stretch and into the playoffs, like Nico I believe is a legit 276 00:13:24,560 --> 00:13:26,040 player. That's when he blew up, when he 277 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:28,160 didn't have any. That's what I'm saying, yeah. 278 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,120 To cover him, that's, that's, that's the that's the the sign 279 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,360 that you need. He's the guy that you absolutely 280 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,720 take. What I'm saying is and and and 281 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:37,320 your your comment, Davis is great. 282 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:39,680 The run the season 1000 times thing, because what I'm saying 283 00:13:39,680 --> 00:13:41,400 is there's a range of outcomes. There's a lot of ways that 284 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:43,880 things play out on on these situations where we look back 285 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,600 and we go, man, probably could have seen that one coming or 286 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,360 like, like we didn't really consider the way that the things 287 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:50,960 could have went. And I don't think the market is 288 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,240 giving enough credence to the fact that what I just said, 289 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,000 which I don't think is the most likely outcome. 290 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,040 But I think it's maybe even if it's just a 10% outcome, that 291 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:01,760 digs could be come in and be the like biggest target earner could 292 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,520 have the highest targets per out run that we look back and go, Oh 293 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:06,200 yeah, Nico and tanks numbers last year. 294 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,040 We're a little inflated by the fact that Robert Woods ran 400 295 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:12,600 plus routes and couldn't earn anything like was doing nothing 296 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:14,560 couldn't and was inefficient and was terrible. 297 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,840 And then suddenly there, oh, Stefan Diggs legit alpha took 298 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:19,760 those routes. We went from the one of the 299 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:23,880 weakest receivers in the NFL last year to Stefan Diggs, who's 300 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:27,440 not young but had 160 targets in the regular season last year. 301 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,360 Seventeen more in two playoff games, nine and eight in his two 302 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:33,000 playoff games. I mean, that's not a crazy 303 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:34,160 outcome. That's something I want to weigh 304 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:36,880 into the range of outcomes, right, Like the probabilistic 305 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:39,560 ranges for these players. So if you're going completely 306 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:41,960 out on digs, if you're taking the tank ahead of digs like 307 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,640 you're saying, that's not even really feasible. 308 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:48,320 I'm not saying it's not feasible. 309 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,840 I'm just saying I'm not building for that part of the game tree. 310 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:55,880 I'm building, I'm building. I'm I, I much prefer the part of 311 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:59,640 the game tree where and, and to be clear, I should say this a 312 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:02,600 lot. I I'm not really doing much of 313 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:04,080 any of them. I'm not doing it. 314 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,640 I'm taking, I'm taking, I'm taking Nico. 315 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:11,200 But I'm not doing a lot of Stroud like I just didn't like. 316 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:15,160 I'm just not, I'm just not doing a lot of like these drafts you 317 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,720 see people post where they like they take Nico. 318 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:21,080 I take one of tank or digs and then I take Stroud, you know, 319 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,760 with Andrews mixed in there or. Whatever, I just all the time. 320 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,240 Yeah, I just don't. Think one of my favorite. 321 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:27,240 Things. One of my favorite things. 322 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:28,440 To do it's. Almost why. 323 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:34,200 So the way I do, the way I do that team is I do it with Lamar. 324 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,680 I just I. Oh well, give me, give me Lamar 325 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:37,720 all day. I'll take Lamar. 326 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:39,760 You give me Lamar in the fifth. Fuck yeah. 327 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:42,480 Let's go. Yeah, my, my preferred way to do 328 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:46,640 that is Nico Collins, Marc Andrews, Lamar Jackson is like 329 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:48,800 that. That's my prefer at at cost, 330 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:50,840 even knowing Nico's the most expensive. 331 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,040 That's what I think is best, personally. 332 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:56,640 All right, 15 minutes into the show, Crane, why don't you pull 333 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,360 up our risers chart, to be honest. 334 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:03,440 None of these players on it. No, no, to me there's. 335 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:05,720 Nothing Tank's tank's definitely rising a little bit. 336 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:07,160 He's not. On a little bit, there's no 337 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:08,880 point of talking about A.J. Brown, right? 338 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,280 Does it? It's it's because it's from 9:00 339 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,360 to 10:00 as big. Well, I don't know why he's 340 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:15,640 flipping. He's flipping puka. 341 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,480 I guess it has flipped puka. I don't Puka's like one of those 342 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:21,840 dudes were like in this environment, I would expect Puka 343 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,040 to be moving up given that all the receivers move up in the 344 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:27,520 puppy. Puka's an awesome pick and he's 345 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:29,040 moving down. I don't. 346 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,240 I don't get it at all. I've argued that. 347 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,760 AJ Brown's a grown man. Puka's kind of a grown man. 348 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,760 Too is is Garrett Wilson still going behind both of them? 349 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,600 Yeah, 'cause he's the one that needs to flip both of them. 350 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:43,320 Well, he might flip puka. I like puka over over Garrett 351 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:44,880 Wilson. I mean just he literally just 352 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:48,440 had the best rookie receiver season ever that that's pretty 353 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,000 cool. I'm I'm not being. 354 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:51,960 I'm not. Being. 355 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:54,520 Facetious. I'm not being facetious about. 356 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:56,360 This at all? What's that in the pro call? 357 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,880 It's definitely in a pro. I've decided for pro call. 358 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:03,160 Dude, I think it's pro. Two very big fantasy football 359 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,200 accounts tweeted this last weekend. 360 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:07,680 One was Ian Hartett. I don't remember. 361 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:09,280 The other one. I want to say maybe it was one 362 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:12,000 of the Fantasy footballers, but don't hold me to it. 363 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:17,040 Targets and the 12 full games together in in 2023, they played 364 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:18,440 twelve games or no one got injured. 365 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:20,680 Nakua had 100 targets in those games. 366 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:24,440 Cooper Cup had 99. I I think there's kind of that 367 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:28,760 sentiment just sort of loosely hanging in the air to people who 368 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,480 are really plugged in right now. We're getting a little bit of. 369 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:33,480 We're getting a little bit of that which. 370 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:35,800 Was a good pick, but I mean like, is that supposed to be? 371 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:39,160 Are we just supposed to go, oh, they're even that a rookie came 372 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:40,160 in and. No, I think. 373 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:41,880 It's cup when they were both healthy. 374 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,200 The way that I'm. Supposed to be pro cup. 375 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,240 The way that I've tried to frame it, Pat, when I've talked about 376 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:51,080 puka is that I, I think he was like, 'cause when you think 377 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:54,160 about like outcomes, like we always look back at past data as 378 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:56,040 if it's like A50 percentile outcome. 379 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:57,440 And then it's like, oh, well, he can get better. 380 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:58,840 I think it would. He ran hot last year. 381 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,240 Like he ran like he got like an 80th percentile outcome for what 382 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,800 his true range of outcomes is, which I think makes perfect 383 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:07,120 sense when you think about cut being out early in the year and 384 00:18:07,120 --> 00:18:08,600 he would be. The 101 if he didn't. 385 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:13,360 Right, and so like the the comp that Shawn, the comp that Shawn 386 00:18:13,360 --> 00:18:15,760 made in season last year was Anquan Bolden and I, I keep 387 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:17,480 going back to this. If you go look at Bolden's 388 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:21,200 career, his rookie season ends up being like basically a peak 389 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,640 season from year three's a little bit better. 390 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:27,000 It's that same but so part the part of the counter argument 391 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,920 would be it's that same era of, you know, play in that same 392 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,480 offense. Like Puka's still in this 80th 393 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:33,720 percentile. How come he's still in this 394 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:35,840 similar set up? If Coop, if cup gets hurt again 395 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:37,960 this year, he's going to be in the same situation. 396 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:40,920 But Bolden goes on to a really long, strong career. 397 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,560 A lot of 80 catch seasons. Those are his only 200 catch 398 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:44,880 seasons. First and third years. 399 00:18:45,120 --> 00:18:46,720 It's his two best yardage seasons. 400 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,800 It's like, you know, peak for him early on and then he kind of 401 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:51,960 settles in to be a little bit of a lesser player. 402 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:53,760 It wouldn't surprise me if that's what Puka's career looks 403 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:55,240 like. I think it's hard for him to 404 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,040 jump from what he did as a rookie and then go even bigger 405 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:00,320 in year two. Like we we expect progression in 406 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,360 year two and he could be better, but then he could run 50th 407 00:19:03,360 --> 00:19:05,840 percentile and his stats could actually come back a little bit 408 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,120 or be even right. Yeah, for sure, it'll be a hit. 409 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:12,520 He had 16167 yards, including the playoffs, Which? 410 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:14,200 Was I? I think you could argue he 411 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,920 actually ran kind of bad. He only had seven touchdowns. 412 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,040 He only had seven. He only had he only had seven 413 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,840 touchdowns. The the math works out for good 414 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:23,640 wide receivers. You're supposed to score 1 415 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:25,960 touchdown about. The best rookie receiver season 416 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,120 Rookie receiver season of all time. 417 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,000 For fantasy scoring. For fantasy scoring, I think 418 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:33,080 you. Can argue he ran. 419 00:19:33,360 --> 00:19:36,480 Yeah, he ran a little bit bad. 2.75 yards for out Ron. 420 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:40,000 I, I don't know, I mean. The the target situation, we're 421 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,600 over no competition. It just feels like we're 422 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:44,000 overthinking it. He's in the same exact 423 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:45,440 situation. He's entering year two. 424 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:47,000 He had the best rookie season ever. 425 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:50,160 He's there's no question about he's going to be locked into, 426 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:53,560 you know, maybe cup, you know, rebounds a little bit. 427 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,480 I I've highly, highly doubt cup gets back to being like the 428 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,200 clear alpha again after the season that puka just had. 429 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,160 I think at worst he's a small miss in the sense that you paid 430 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:07,640 a first round pick for like. Like a 1B if cup kind of returns 431 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:11,720 to to excellence, but it's a highly concentrated offense. 432 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:13,240 They don't even have a tight end anymore. 433 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:14,840 DeMarcus Robinson's the third guy. 434 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:16,280 He's fine. They use him in the red zone a 435 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:19,520 little bit, but like, it's just like, I don't know it, it feels 436 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,240 like very, very high. Floor, I think we're going back 437 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:25,600 to to old D Rob, the D Rob that I've known and loved for the 438 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,800 last 10 years in the NFL. I, I think, I think him scoring 439 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:29,920 a touch. I think Puka's. 440 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:32,800 Are. I think Puka's a. 441 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,080 Star then he's a smash in the late 1st his his. 442 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,880 First two games he had 15 targets and 10 receptions and 443 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:39,800 then 20 targets and 15 receptions. 444 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:41,960 He did not have another 10 plus reception game all year. 445 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:43,640 He had 25 in those first two games. 446 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,000 He did not have another game with more than 12 targets. 447 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:47,920 He had 35 in those first two games. 448 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,960 He averaged 17 1/2. Like those were both games 449 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:52,560 without cup. Like that's where the stat that 450 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:54,360 that Davis just read comes from where? 451 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,520 I mean in in week four Cup wasn't back yet either. 452 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:03,440 He had a ten, nine, 163 game. His season high was 164 in the 453 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:05,080 regular season. He actually had 181 in the 454 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:06,720 playoffs. To your point, Pat like he was 455 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:08,840 still good in the cup. Was there in the playoffs? 456 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:13,800 Yeah, he was at 8154 in Week 7. It's crazy how good he was 457 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:17,080 early. 9164 in week 16 in a touchdown. 458 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:21,280 I don't know if cup was there for that, but I don't know. 459 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:23,840 I I just think. Comp is still really good. 460 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:25,960 It's not saying that he's bad or he can't still be good. 461 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:27,320 It's just like. I don't think it's certainly 462 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,880 possible that he's Bolden. It's certainly possibly he's 463 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:34,840 Bolden, but like he's Bolden doesn't really work for me. 464 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,400 Like I think, I think he could be a superstar, like a true 465 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,160 superstar, because if he is a true superstar, he would have 466 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:42,840 come in and done what he did last season. 467 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,720 Well I mean 1/4 of his catches came in his first two games. 468 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,400 Like I mean what? He ended up with his final. 22 469 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,520 as well 2. Two, as a pro that seems great, 470 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,000 but. There's no one else even on the 471 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:58,480 team that's capable of catching pass. 472 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,880 He's never going to play. Atwell had 100 yards in that 473 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:02,040 game. People forget. 474 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:03,120 No, I know people. People. 475 00:22:03,120 --> 00:22:05,720 He's never going to play on an NFL roster that has weaker 476 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,000 secondary receivers than he did in those first two games. 477 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,600 Like honestly, like that. Atwell was the only other dude 478 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,040 on the roster, man. So are you trading him? 479 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,760 Are you? Clicking cup at cost 'cause 480 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,400 that's another reason why if I'm drafting a 31 year old wide 481 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,920 receiver, I. Prefer I draft both puka and 482 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,240 cup, I don't like drafting them together and I've explained this 483 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,800 on ship chasing a little. But I do think the scenarios 484 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:31,200 where you're playing what Pat saying for puka do require cup 485 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,680 to continue to to struggle with health and not be back to full 486 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,520 speed. And I think when when you talk 487 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,080 about Cup smashing his ADP, you're talking about him being 488 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,400 back to full speed and really cutting into puka where Puka's 489 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:46,520 not 160 target guy again. Because again, he had 35 in the 490 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,840 first two games and then he settled in more when cup was 491 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:50,160 healthy. And if cup's really healthy that 492 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,360 he's more like a 7-8 target per game guy than A10 target per 493 00:22:53,360 --> 00:22:54,960 game guy. Which isn't saying that poop was 494 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,280 bad, it's just saying that at cost he's maybe not like he's I 495 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,600 think I described it on chip piercing as I think he would be 496 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,800 more like a mid to late second round pick for me if cup is 497 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,240 hitting at his ADP. But then there's still the 498 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,000 correlation type stuff. And we talked through a Pat. 499 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:09,360 You made a great point. Like what if the Rams of the 500 00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:11,160 team you need, you probably want some builds that way. 501 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,720 It's just not like a a stack that I'm going out of my way to 502 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,240 get 'cause I do think they're a little bit mutually exclusive 503 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:17,760 when you look. At yeah, I don't think it's one 504 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,600 like to go out of way to get either. 505 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,200 In some ways they've only had like 700 yards. 506 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,920 Last year, yeah. Like you go for a pyre in, in, 507 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:30,240 you know, no, I, I, I do. I think you want to be open to 508 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,480 it, but at the same time it's not one that I'm going out of my 509 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,560 way to get either 'cause I, yeah, I mean you're hoping when 510 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,080 you take cup in the third round, you are hoping he gets back. 511 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,320 You're you're kind of hoping that puka is actually the the 512 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,640 secondary guy when you're when you're making now would. 513 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,160 Agree or it's more balanced like like 199 thing. 514 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:52,280 Maybe they are 5050, right? I'll do it every so often 'cause 515 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,680 I think there's like some ping ponging stuff, which I know that 516 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:58,320 you and Bime for talked about talked about on on the Legendary 517 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,440 Upside podcast the other day. I've kind of been not actually 518 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:05,320 been talked out of it because you kind of just need your third 519 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,920 round pick and your first round pick to just like smash a lot of 520 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,040 the time, like you, you kind of just you kind of just want those 521 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:15,000 guys to be smashing. And there are very few seasons 522 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,440 where I think both of them are just like huge smashes. 523 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,200 Like the Kuwa finishes wide receiver three, cup finishes 524 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,520 wide receiver nine. I mean it's possible, but again, 525 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,400 not definitely not even in the top like I don't know 70% of 526 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,000 most likely scenario. And especially Pat, when we talk 527 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,920 about the first read stuff like wasn't that what one of big one 528 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,080 of Puka's big things was? He took over the first read 529 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:38,920 stuff in season last year because I think part of the 530 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:42,160 Cooper Cup bowl cases, like he's back to full health and he's the 531 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:43,320 guy that's getting those first read. 532 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,920 I think a lot of what they do with McVeigh and with Stafford 533 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:50,320 is like intelligent pre snap identification of what the 534 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,880 defense wants. And we're we're going here pre 535 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,160 snap, right? Like we know it. 536 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:56,880 We we know how to get the ball to the guys we want. 537 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,560 That's how Cooper Cup has the best receiver season of all 538 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:05,240 time, and it concentrates volume to the degree he did. 21 percent 539 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:10,200 1st St. target on 21% of his routes, which is pretty good. 540 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:11,960 It's very good. Actually. 541 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,360 It's not it's not like insane like 24. 542 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,080 This is kind of where you go like Oh my God. 543 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,240 So it was good cup. I believe this is just last year 544 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,720 it was at 20%. And previously, I imagine he was 545 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,000 up in the Oh my God, that's a really high number. 546 00:25:26,120 --> 00:25:28,240 Yeah, Yeah, he must. I mean, he basically had to be 547 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,520 he's he's hit 20% of the last two years cup. 548 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,560 But I don't have off the top of my head what he was before that 549 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,480 21, Yeah. 'Cause he had a. 550 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:43,920 Hundred 191 targets in 20/21 he had 98 in just nine games. 551 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,760 In 20/22 he was A10 plus target per game guy and then Puka 552 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,640 immediately became that. And I think it's a lot of this 553 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,080 thing of where like where they're going with intent, which 554 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,200 I think was Puka last year because cup wasn't really 555 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:55,600 healthy. Well like but it was pretty 556 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:59,600 close, 2021% to 21 of the things I look at is what you would 557 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:04,240 expect yards per hour run to be based on the 1st 3 targets. 558 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:09,320 And I had that for puka at 2.3, he was at 2.75. 559 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:14,320 So he was like actually way above expected, which generally 560 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:18,280 is really bullish. If you got player, if that's on 561 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,840 50 routes, it's not so bullish. But if it's on, you know, if 562 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,920 you're like a big piece of the offense and you're producing 563 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,080 much more efficiently than you would even expect given the 1st 564 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,360 3 targets, that shows target earning that shows you know, the 565 00:26:29,360 --> 00:26:32,120 ability to make plays when you are targeted, all that stuff. 566 00:26:32,120 --> 00:26:36,520 So that's, I think it, it's pretty damn bullish to me that 567 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:37,080 he's. And the other. 568 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,240 He does not look like he was created by 1st St. targets to 569 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:41,680 me. For sure, and then the other 570 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,000 thing is when you go back and look at like he was under used 571 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,360 in college. The routes weren't great, but 572 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,640 his per route stuff is insane. Like his targets per out run in 573 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,640 college was insane. Like he was in in a huge volume 574 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:53,880 earner in. College, someone needs to do a 575 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,840 deep dive on that like go and like literally like talk to his 576 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,560 like college coach or wide receiver coach or something and 577 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,560 be like why was this guy who was so dominant on a per out basis? 578 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:07,000 Why did he just not play more? And he was at UW Gretch, you 579 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:08,360 should know. Yeah, yeah. 580 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,840 Well, we had the the pandemic year, the second year there and 581 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,120 then he transferred afterwards. So he was a true freshman. 582 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:15,880 I mean, he probably. Just played four games. 583 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,160 He probably looked at that wide receiver room of Jalen McMillan, 584 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,640 Polk and Adonze and tight end made the NFL too, and Dylan 585 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,840 Johnson and was like, maybe not. Maybe I'll go. 586 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,640 Maybe I'll go play. Well, The thing is he was hyped. 587 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,320 I remember US talking about his name. 588 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,880 I remember I heard about him earlier than I heard about a 589 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,440 doonsay for sure. Like people were excited about 590 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:42,440 Puka Nakua, but he only ran 38 routes in 2019 as a true 591 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:43,680 freshman. I think he was banged up a 592 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,400 little bit. Really good routes, 4.42 yards 593 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,640 per out run, really small sample, but really good routes. 594 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,640 And then he only play, he only runs 58 routes the next year. 595 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,880 We only played four games in 2020 because of the the pandemic 596 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,120 year and then our our our new coaching staff, Caitlin de Boer 597 00:27:58,120 --> 00:27:59,600 and all that and the offense took off. 598 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,600 Wasn't until 20/21 when he was gone. 599 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,840 Prior to that it was Jimmy Lake who got fired after the 600 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,400 20/22/2020 season or excuse me, after the 2021 season. 601 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,800 So he was Pukinako transferred away before UW's passing game 602 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,360 got interesting. Before Pennix came. 603 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,280 We had like a a week of quarterback playing back then. 604 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,360 So anyway, I don't know what it what the reasoning is, but the 605 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,720 like the reality is Puka is like he's good. 606 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,920 His his per route stuff is good. Whenever he played is good. 607 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,720 Do you guys have any concern that like he only ran even in at 608 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:33,480 BYU 234 routes and then 177 in his final season total 507 his 609 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,800 whole college career, including the UW years last year he ran, 610 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,200 I'm pretty sure more than that in one season, 574. 611 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,760 So actually three. Oh yeah, more than that. 612 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,000 And then that's not even including the playoffs, I don't 613 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:46,480 think. It no. 614 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,880 I, I, I I don't care. Yeah, I don't care anymore. 615 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,720 You guys don't think there's like any like 'cause like with 616 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,360 running backs, you know, being a workhorse is a skill, that kind 617 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,560 of thing. No concern about 'cause he 618 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,360 didn't. I would need. 22O5 like I don't. 619 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,560 Know I would need. To know he's a good run blocker 620 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,640 like. I would need to know more about 621 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,720 what his college coaches were doing like I would need, I like 622 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,440 I as far as I know, and it's possible that this information 623 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,200 is out there. It could be his coaches were 624 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,840 like he's super fragile. It could be his conditioning was 625 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:19,480 that. He was banged up in college, 626 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,600 right? I think so, yeah. 627 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,560 What if that was their answer? What if, what if they came back 628 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,040 to you and told you that? What if you got a chance? 629 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,360 I would say you what if you said guys, you were fucking wrong, 630 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,880 the students, you were really, really wrong. 631 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,320 Like you were about as wrong as a college coach can. 632 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,640 Be and and and if he was. An NFL star. 633 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,400 You blew it. NFL teams don't do that really. 634 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,200 I mean, Tyreke a little bit. Tyreke I think is would be your 635 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,440 best analog and he still runs like 70% of. 636 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,840 The It's a little almond raw esque, or a little like the 637 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,240 conversation we were gonna have about Rashi rice instead of the 638 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:50,680 conversation we've been forced to have. 639 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,480 It well, we've never talked about Rashi Rice on ADP chasing 640 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:54,560 before. Why don't you go ahead and 641 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,720 advance it to Rashi Rice? I mean, to be honest, I think we 642 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,360 can be done with with puka. I don't think we're turning. 643 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,240 Over Yeah, I just wanted, the chat said. 644 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:05,880 I'm over thinking this. I wanna be clear, I'm drafting, 645 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,160 puking a cool. I think he's really good at 646 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:08,920 football and I don't think he's a bad pick. 647 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:10,120 But what are you doing with Garrett? 648 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:11,280 Are you taking him over him? Or are you? 649 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:12,560 I'm taking Garrett over him. I am. 650 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,080 So you're okay? You're gonna be. 651 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,880 I think Garrett Wilson has a better, I guess I think Garrett 652 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,680 Wilson has a better chance to finish top five overall at the 653 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,080 position, even though Puka basically just did last year, 654 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:24,760 which doesn't. I know that's not like, doesn't 655 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,360 make a whole lot of sense. Listen, I get it. 656 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,480 Like I want to take more Garrett Will Garrett Wilson. 657 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,880 I am so annoyed that he just goes and there's people like you 658 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,200 take Garrett Wilson over them and other people do too. 659 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,560 So then I end up getting puka after Garrett Wilson and I'm 660 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,560 psyched about that. But I have a really hard time 661 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,000 clicking Garrett Wilson over puka. 662 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:43,880 And so I just, I just want my Garrett Wilson. 663 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,520 And then I get a little less Garrett Wilson because 664 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,080 sometimes. People take it well and I'm a 665 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,360 huge A.J. Brown guy, but the the question 666 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,280 I LED with is I don't know how Brown's moving ahead of Pook. 667 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:54,960 Like if anyone it should be Garrett is what I. 668 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,000 Said it should be Garrett. Yeah, I'm taking Pook over 669 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:57,640 Brown. I only. 670 00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,480 Ever. Every every day that we get 671 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,320 further away from the memory of how shit the Eagles were the 672 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,240 final six weeks of the season, the more people are like, A.J. 673 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,840 Brown had a lot of good stuff, like he just scored a lot of 674 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:09,960 points. What he had. 675 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,680 It was the eight games of a of a 1.5. 676 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,000 If we took like 3 weeks off of content would Barkley get up 677 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,960 here at one O 7? Did we get Barkley one? 678 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,360 It's like. I'm going to go on strike until 679 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,400 Barkley goes. Into I, I think, I think what 680 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:29,520 will happen is that in August, people are who are not, you 681 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,000 know, people who have touched grass and and felt the touch of 682 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,280 a woman are going to log on and be like, I'm taking take 1 683 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,480 Barkley in the first round, bro. He's on the Eagles now. 684 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:39,920 He's on a good team. Right, that's what I want. 685 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,800 I want that so bad. All right, Rashi Rice, I mean, 686 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,920 truly, I'm not going to let us go that long about it. 687 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,800 We have literally we have done this to death. 688 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,440 I think that this is two things happening. 689 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,600 The first being people want to take Mahomes, but they can't 690 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,360 always get one of his receivers with him. 691 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,800 And so, as anyone who's ever watched this world cast knows, 692 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,640 it means you got to reach on Rashi Rice a little bit, because 693 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,960 the alternative to having Mahomes team without one of 694 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:10,720 those three players means you're just dead. 695 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,880 You're just not gonna be winning the $1.5 million. 696 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:14,120 So you might as. Well, someone, someone did it to 697 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,080 me in the puppy. I grabbed Mahomes late 5th and 698 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,720 I'm like, I'll I'll take Rashi in the 6th if I got to do it. 699 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,920 And then I got sniped, sniped on Rashi just naked Mahomes just 700 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,600 sitting there with I had Pickens bring back. 701 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:25,520 I was like, this is gonna be fun. 702 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,280 It's not fun. It's not fun. 703 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,400 So I think picking. Enough Mahomes during this 704 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,480 period where rice was the best. A tough scene. 705 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,240 In the drafts, that's what you had to do is take a lot of my 706 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,200 homes and stack them with Rice. I've taken Davis. 707 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,480 Did you do any of that, Kansas? City people have been chatted 708 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,040 asking if I have any of those teams. 709 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,520 Do you have any of those? I'll be honest with you, I do. 710 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,120 I do. Okay, but my homes is the least 711 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:52,320 important part of of that. Like you don't actually have to 712 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,720 have. They're all equally important in 713 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,720 Davis's mind. No, actually, Davis is. 714 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,520 My top two exposures, Xavier Worthy and Rashi Rice. 715 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,480 You can't. So Ju Gretch's point. 716 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,240 I take a lot of two KC teams without my homes. 717 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,960 I do a lot of the same thing. As well my top receiver's Rashi 718 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,080 Rice. Yeah, so I've got Worthy and 719 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,280 Brown and Rice, all those guys up there, but Mahomes is all the 720 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,840 way down as actually I have even less than Kelsey. 721 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,920 He's your he's, he's like your sixth highest total player. 722 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:21,680 Is it quarterback? Kelsey's my total. 723 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,560 I typed in, I typed in Chiefs. I typed in Chiefs in the bar. 724 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,360 Yeah, OK. No, I guess I don't have that 725 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,840 much Mahomes either. Rice is just going up the board 726 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,000 because because people are realizing he's probably not 727 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,320 going to be suspended or the suspension is not going to be 728 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,680 that adept, to which I say they're probably right. 729 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:45,120 I, I think this is the thing that a lot of people were saying 730 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,720 in May, or at least I don't know, I was saying a lot in May 731 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,320 that like Rice's Price was not going to stay in the eighth 732 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:51,920 round. It was in the 80s for a while. 733 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,320 It was not going to stay in the 80s. 734 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:57,000 It was an egregious overreaction, in my opinion, to 735 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,320 the actual like, facts and reality of the situation. 736 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,640 There's still risk with it. People love to say he's never 737 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,040 going to play again. They love right? 738 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,120 I don't know why, but there's. Still risk with it they. 739 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:06,600 Do the. Same concept. 740 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,560 They want to panic, they want to scream. 741 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,679 I'm just never going to play back weighted. 742 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:14,960 The the whole point about back weighted production, the whole 743 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,560 point about like it while he's not in there and he's suspended, 744 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,080 you can play other guys and and the weeks that he's going to 745 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,480 miss are going to be the weeks where the rest of your roster is 746 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,960 healthy and you're going to get starting like usable weeks out 747 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,760 of other guys on your team. And then he comes back and what 748 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,480 say he suspended six games? He comes back in week 8 because 749 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,600 they have a week 6 by comes back in week eight. 750 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,600 And then you get Rashi Rice the rest of the way. 751 00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:39,639 A guy whose yards per out run comparable to Puka Nakua is in 752 00:34:39,639 --> 00:34:42,880 year one and was tied to the team that has been first and 753 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,080 password over expected like 5-6 straight seasons. 754 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:46,880 Like every season of Patrick Mahomes career. 755 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,920 You're going to get past volume, you're going to get past 756 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,440 efficiency. He just had a 2 plus yards per 757 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,280 out run rookie season. Like what? 758 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,400 What are we doing? He's still way too cheap. 759 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,040 He's still don't. Even care if he gets suspended 760 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,400 like in basketball. Like you want him as part of a 761 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,280 build. Every team I get him as a wide 762 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,640 receiver 5 or wide receiver six. I'm like this team fucking. 763 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,840 Rocks, are you taking him in the sixth round now or are you just 764 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,320 getting ahead of it? Because he's not really coming 765 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:08,760 back to me in the. Second, I don't have any drafts 766 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,520 in the sixth round. This gets back to that point. 767 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,040 I'm gonna, apparently I'm gonna learn something different. 768 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,120 Pretty so he's he's moving up like substantial to where so he 769 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:21,800 used to be he used to be like, you know, Deontay JSN all those 770 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,320 dudes would come off and then rice would just be sitting there 771 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,800 as like the last of the tier. Maybe Christian Watson would 772 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,160 still be there or something, but like a. 773 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:33,160 Little different now. Yeah, now it's like Rice's. 774 00:35:33,720 --> 00:35:35,240 Well, that whole pocket has moved up. 775 00:35:35,240 --> 00:35:37,120 Is he? Going ahead of like Ladd and and 776 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:38,440 Bryant. He's kind of more in the mix 777 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,240 with those. Guys, no, no, but he's like, 778 00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:42,840 he's on that part of your screen where you're starting to see 779 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,240 Alvin Kamara and Najee Harris's name. 780 00:35:45,240 --> 00:35:47,800 So you're starting to freak out. You know, like I really got to 781 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,480 get another wide receiver before, before, before. 782 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,360 Zamir White is the top guy by ADP value. 783 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,640 You're like, I got to, I got to figure this out right now. 784 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,520 But I, I know I do think that like Ladd, 'cause I, I had a 785 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:05,360 choice between, it was like Ladd, Brian Thomas, JSN and 786 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,760 Rashi Rice were all, and I was at the six, seven turns. 787 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,680 So I was like, I'm going to take two of these four guys. 788 00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:14,160 So I think he, it is starting to become a little bit more a 789 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,120 choice between all those dudes and I. 790 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,240 And I think like, yeah, it's, it's one of those things you get 791 00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:20,200 anchored to like I don't have to take Rashi Rice until round 792 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,400 seven and I shouldn't have to. And then now the market's making 793 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:24,920 you decide if you're going to do it in round six. 794 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,760 And I think I'm just yes. I think my answer's just yes. 795 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,120 Yeah, it's still going to be yes for me up to like round four, 796 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:34,200 honestly, it really is. Let me think. 797 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,800 I would take him over over George Pickens. 798 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,000 I would take him over George Pickens. 799 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:39,080 Wow. OK. 800 00:36:39,720 --> 00:36:41,960 I think for me, and maybe it's just me being kind of anchored 801 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,320 to stuff, but I think like more like Jaden Reed and Worthy is 802 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,200 kind of where I would we'd be like. 803 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:48,720 The fifth round would just be the chiefs round. 804 00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:51,720 It would be it would be for the players for for the players in 805 00:36:51,720 --> 00:36:55,320 the in the in the round would ADP would be Mahomes, worthy 806 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,840 Hollywood and and Rashi. I think so. 807 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,400 Gretchen would drop actually. Yeah, probably. 808 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:02,720 Yeah, Worthy. You'll drop a little with the 809 00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:03,960 rice. That would be that would be 810 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:05,880 unwell for me. That would be that. 811 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,840 That would cause real trouble if like you could get wide receiver 812 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:10,760 40, no. If you're worthy, can't drop. 813 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:13,480 If Rossi doesn't get that would be unwell. 814 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,960 For me too. He would instantaneously drop he 815 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,760 he would immediately go a whole round later if worthy became. 816 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,320 Why would why would Marquis Brown drop? 817 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,760 Because he's the one who elevated when Rice fell. 818 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,760 This is why I. Don't have any idea why he goes 819 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,240 where he goes now. I I can't. 820 00:37:29,240 --> 00:37:30,800 Yeah, I I should really struggle with it. 821 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,800 I don't have a lot of him, I have some but. 822 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,080 Well, you guys are wrong about Hollywood Brown, but we don't 823 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,720 have enough time to do that discourse again on on this 824 00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:40,720 program. This is what the market is 825 00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:43,680 saying. The market is saying Hollywood 826 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:48,560 Brown is going to play in the the MD's DeMarcus Robinson role, 827 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,280 but be actually good. So that role will be valuable 828 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:56,080 for the first time ever, Raashi Rice will will be used the way 829 00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:00,360 he was used last year and worthy will be the sky Moore. 830 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,560 But what if sky Moore could play good type type thing? 831 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:08,200 Well, he's also the he's. The Cadarius Tony, he's the Miko 832 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,360 Hardman, but they also I mean like the the concern about like 833 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,960 what's got how sky Moore fit in and wasn't very good in his 834 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:15,840 rookie year with this team or period. 835 00:38:17,240 --> 00:38:20,400 All our excitement about Mikole Hardman, all that stuff, like 836 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:22,760 it's a little different. Those guys weren't the prospect 837 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,800 to Xavier Worthy from an age adjusted production standpoint, 838 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,520 especially when you consider that, you know, Sky Morrow was 839 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,520 coming out of a smaller conference and they weren't guys 840 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,080 that the Chiefs drafted in the first round and traded up to 841 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,200 draft in the first round. Like that's a meaningful 842 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,800 difference to me. Like Xavier Worthy could just be 843 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,520 what we wanted Michael Hartman to be as a rookie, what we 844 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,720 wanted Sky more to be. The reason we were on those guys 845 00:38:43,720 --> 00:38:46,400 is like, if you're right in the Kansas City Chiefs offense, you 846 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,680 have past volume and you have Patrick Mahomes. 847 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,840 There's no better situation to be right about a rookie. 848 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,480 It's it's just fucking rocket ships right? 849 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,640 Like isn't that still meaningful for Xavier worthy? 850 00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:59,560 Like that's I still want to make that bet. 851 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,320 I mean, all the things that made us draft Nicole Hardman and Sky 852 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:09,640 more really high, and then Rashi Rice hit so that it means the 853 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:11,240 Chiefs can draft wide receivers again. 854 00:39:11,240 --> 00:39:13,840 So we're allowed to draft. The roll stuff, it doesn't 855 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,520 matter. Like who you don't need them to 856 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:20,240 be hard man or Tony or whatever. Like what was Rashi Rice? 857 00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:22,480 What what what role did he neatly fill? 858 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,280 New Travis Kelsey? He just wasn't new Travis 859 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:28,320 Kelsey. Kind of, yeah, yes. 860 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,120 But he was like, he just did a thing. 861 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,080 Well, and then Mahomes was like, oh, that's sweet. 862 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:33,960 I'll just throw to that guy when he's doing that thing. 863 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,120 Well, like, we're hoping Worthy's good. 864 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,840 We're hoping Worthy's good. I don't think Marquis Brown is 865 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,880 that good. He hasn't been good in like 3 to 866 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,160 four years. He's a watch. 867 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,840 He's kind of like the classic dude who's washing up with a one 868 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:47,960 year contract with the Chiefs, which never seems to go very 869 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:49,320 well. You're taking that guy in the 870 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,600 fifth round or first round rookie who's like the fastest 871 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,400 guy of all time. Which one seems like the higher? 872 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,400 Upside bet? Which one seems higher? 873 00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:03,000 Upside with production? Speedsmother with production 874 00:40:03,240 --> 00:40:06,640 like Good Lord. It I, I mean, I think it's all I 875 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,000 do very much want to talk about this next one, though. 876 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,360 Let's go to Calvin Ridley. This is this might be the 877 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,280 longest ADP chase. Rice is the cheesecake I love. 878 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:15,560 It. I'll start. 879 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,600 I'll start beauty myself. OK, Calvin Ridley. 880 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,520 I'll start, I'll, I'll start screaming a little less. 881 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:25,120 I I was into to Calvin Ridley conceptually and like wide 882 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:29,760 receiver 41 wide receiver 39 seventh round, eighth round, you 883 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,920 know, especially in in the wide receiver avalanche environment. 884 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:38,080 I am much less into taking Calvin Ridley 20 spots ahead of 885 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,480 DeAndre Hopkins, ahead of Xavier Worthy, ahead of Brian Thomas, 886 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:48,160 junior guys like that because I feel relatively strongly, One, 887 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:52,240 that a large part of the Jacksonville Jaguars offensive 888 00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:55,240 struggles last year was because they tried to cast Calvin Ridley 889 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,960 as a wide receiver, one style guy and he was not up to the 890 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,120 task. And two, I mean, we're at the 891 00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,920 point of his career where like, I feel we can feel pretty 892 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,520 comfortably about the style of player he is. 893 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,440 Like, I don't think there's any unexplored ceiling. 894 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:14,160 And I sort of feel like DeAndre Hopkins, even at age 32, is, is 895 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,720 probably in a median season better than Calvin Ridley. 896 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,280 He's better at earning targets. He was better, he was good. 897 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:23,840 The NFL and Wade targets were out run last year. 898 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,640 He was like he leaked at earning volume last year. 899 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,800 He was really good last year with Will Levis. 900 00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,200 He's the guy not changing. He's the guy who's in a stable 901 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,880 situation, who's having offensive coordinators come in, 902 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,040 who like to pass, who actually enjoy passing the ball. 903 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,320 This is like an improved situation and he's already 904 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,720 proven that he can play with this quarterback. 905 00:41:45,720 --> 00:41:48,800 Calvin Ridley is coming off a disappointing season, which is 906 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:50,640 the first time we've seen him play in years. 907 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,480 And now he's changing teams, very clearly getting a 908 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,240 quarterback downgrade. I I don't. 909 00:41:57,240 --> 00:41:59,280 And now it's like, oh, we gotta take Calvin Ridley first. 910 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,400 Calvin Ridley should be going like a round or more past 911 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,120 DeAndre Hopkins. I don't understand. 912 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,440 I this one I don't get at all. We've been behind him the entire 913 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,480 way. I believe Establish the run is 914 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,280 behind him, too. I'm like, who is driving this 915 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:12,760 Calvin Ridley ADP? I I don't. 916 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:14,920 What what's what's going on? Yeah. 917 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,080 Also. We're ahead of Ridley compared 918 00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:19,520 to ETR even. A legendary upside. 919 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,920 So I, I don't know, the market's lost its mind. 920 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:23,840 What's going on? Beat beat best ball, beat 921 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:27,000 basketball. It's Liam. 922 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:33,120 It's Liam and well and and and and isn't isn't Eagle selling 923 00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:34,640 rankings now? I mean. 924 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,000 Maybe that's it, I don't know. Yeah, you never know. 925 00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,320 You never. There's I This happens sometimes 926 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,440 in DFS too, where they'll be just steam completely out of 927 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,440 nowhere that you didn't perceive at all. 928 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:48,840 And it's like there's just got to be stuff out there that we 929 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,880 don't know exists. Best ball stuff that we've never 930 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,640 maybe fantasy flock. He's got Disney have 300,000 931 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,400 YouTube subscribers. He's just maybe he's just 932 00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:58,680 pumping Ridley. We don't know. 933 00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,080 We don't know. Yeah, we just don't. 934 00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,800 Know, just don't know. Other than the Ridley Hopkins 935 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,760 comparison that I completely agree with and I completely 936 00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,160 agree. Really should go behind Hopkins. 937 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,960 I'm I'm struggling to even take a lot of Hopkins because like 938 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,600 Will Levis wasn't actually good last year. 939 00:43:13,720 --> 00:43:15,960 His first game he threw 4 touchdowns and everyone went 940 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,280 nuts, but then he threw four more the rest of his game like 941 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,360 his next. Eight starts combined and four 942 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,720 interceptions with that and completed 57% of his passes. 943 00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:28,880 The passer rating was bad. His yards pretempt wasn't very 944 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:29,920 good. It was it was all right because 945 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,400 he's vertical with his passes. Can I can I try to levis pill 946 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,680 you? Go ahead. 947 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,360 Because I've been, I've not been Levis pilled for the player, but 948 00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:43,320 I've been Levis pilled conceptually because I believe 949 00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,440 the organization believes there's something there, as 950 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,400 evidenced by spending this money on Ridley, as evidenced by 951 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,600 hiring a more offensive minded head coach. 952 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:56,520 I think the signing of Pollard as well is kind of like we don't 953 00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,280 want a traditional bruiser back. We have Taje Spears, we have 954 00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:00,920 Tony Pollard. Like these guys are going to be 955 00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,040 getting outside of the tackles. These guys are going to be 956 00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:08,160 catching passes and it's everything they're saying in the 957 00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,240 front is like we want to throw it like we want. 958 00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,000 Their offensive coordinator was mentioning pass rate over 959 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,240 expectation type stuff. Like they they really want to 960 00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:18,480 Hock the ball now. Is it going to work? 961 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:20,360 Yeah. I mean, I think the jury is 962 00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,040 still incredibly out on if it is going to work. 963 00:44:23,720 --> 00:44:26,280 What you're pitching, I'm I'm buying until that part. 964 00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,840 Like what if Will Levis is just fucking terrible, which is what 965 00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,520 he was as a prospect, really. It's a lot of concern about him 966 00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,320 as a prospect. Fell's got a cannon, is that, is 967 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,160 that convincing? I mean he does have an absolute 968 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,120 cannon. He has an absolute cannon. 969 00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,280 Yeah, A. Lot of bad quarterbacks though, 970 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:41,640 like Jake. Jake Locker comes to mind 971 00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,280 because talking about Tennessee, he's a UW guy. 972 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,560 Wasn't Joe Milton? Yeah, I would, I would say I 973 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:50,040 would compare him to what the most likely scenario if we're 974 00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:55,120 being bullish is that you're you're hoping he's Mitch 975 00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:56,880 Trubisky. Daniel Jones. 976 00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:58,880 Daniel Jones, I don't think he. Runs his. 977 00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:00,200 He's not going to. These are bullish names. 978 00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,240 Yeah, these are bullish. These are bullish comps. 979 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,200 Mitch Trubisky. Daniel Jones finished Kimmy 980 00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,040 Lake. Lake Bortles in his second 981 00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,040 season. Bortles Bortles is the. 982 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,480 Parson Wentz in in his second or third season that we want, look, 983 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:16,240 we want this dude loaded up with volume, really inefficient. 984 00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,800 We want, you know, you know, maybe getting 5-6 wins this year 985 00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,480 goes down as a bust, but just take some dudes along for the 986 00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,520 ride. Put some spike weeks up. 987 00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,440 Like, yeah, honest, honestly. Like Mitch Trubisky was someone 988 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,800 people were starting in superflex leagues and shit. 989 00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:37,200 Like look at Rohin's comet. Daniel Jones threw 15T DS in his 990 00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,400 QB nine year. This is not a great Hopkins or 991 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,280 Friendly case 'cause it was all. Rushing. 992 00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,480 I don't know. Daniel Jones isn't who I. 993 00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,160 Think we're betting more? We're betting on. 994 00:45:45,240 --> 00:45:48,200 Portals, portals and portals. Portals is fair. 995 00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:52,640 Year 2 Year 2 Blake Bortles Let me just lay some absolute truth 996 00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,040 on the chat here because they don't remember this. 997 00:45:55,280 --> 00:46:02,200 Year 2 Year 2 Blake Bortles 44104 Not a type 4400 passing 998 00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:06,920 yards in 16 games, 35 passing touchdowns. 999 00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,920 He got sacked. He got sacked 51 times. 51 1000 00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:12,720 times. 18 picks, but it didn't matter. 1001 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:17,640 It didn't matter. Both they both portals, yeah, 1002 00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,440 we'll. Take that and he leader in. 1003 00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,320 Racks and picks, but throws for 45130. 1004 00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,080 Five, and he ran for 300 yards in two touchdowns. 1005 00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:26,880 I mean, it's Jameis. Winston too, right? 1006 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:28,440 Like it's Bortles, it's Jameis, it's that. 1007 00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:34,080 Easy, says Baker Mayfield. Last year maybe. 1008 00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,800 As as as easy as. Baker's a better passer than 1009 00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,160 him. Baker was a better passer. 1010 00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:39,840 Great for the game. He did more in college. 1011 00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,240 What's that? Pick six is elite for the game 1012 00:46:43,240 --> 00:46:45,040 script. I mean for the game script what 1013 00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:46,560 you want. More fantasy points for your 1014 00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,200 quarterback. Have them throw a pick six in 1015 00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,560 the second quarter. That'll just really get things. 1016 00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,560 Going none of this works unless the coaches are actually 1017 00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,360 ideologically committed to the past, but they it feels like 1018 00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,280 they are. I mean this this is the staff 1019 00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,600 last year with what's his face Browning with, you know, Burrow 1020 00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:02,800 goes down and they're. Throwing Browning. 1021 00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:04,720 Browning was throwing the ball all I feel. 1022 00:47:04,720 --> 00:47:07,040 I do feel confident in this. Will Levis is better than Jake 1023 00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,520 Browning, and Jake Browning was tossing that ball around the 1024 00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,520 Yeah. So if we're getting volume like 1025 00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,360 I'm in, I'm in. I Levis is not a big target for 1026 00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,080 me 'cause I do think he's bad. And, and my upside case is Mitch 1027 00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,680 Trubisky and Blake Bortles. So you know, there's, there's, 1028 00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:23,120 there's a bigger better upside cases to be had. 1029 00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:28,120 But like I'm taking Hopkins and if I it backed into it, you're 1030 00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:29,560 you're in on Hopkins now you can. 1031 00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,040 Convince me I'll I'll take more Hopkins. 1032 00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,360 No, I like Hopkins volume earning and I've taken some of 1033 00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,200 him, but I've had a hard time taking anyone in this offense 1034 00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:37,960 because of Bortles. But you've convinced me to get 1035 00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:39,160 into. Hopkins we're not just because 1036 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,400 of portals. I got you portals and he is just 1037 00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:43,960 portals. Now I'm just going to call him 1038 00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:50,920 Bortals from now on portals. I mean, I'm I'm starting to get 1039 00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,240 like real Levis pill by this conversation, like if I could 1040 00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:59,000 relive, if I could relive that 2014 Jaguar season again or that 1041 00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,520 2015 Jaguar season. I mean, these are just some of 1042 00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,560 the these are just some of the names that were prominent on 1043 00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,760 that team. TJ Yeldon, Gennard Robinson and 1044 00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:10,040 Toby Gerhart was the backfield on that team. 1045 00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:14,600 There they had Alan Robinson and Alan Hearns. 1046 00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:18,200 Marquis Lee. I mean, Clay Harbor, Rashad. 1047 00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,760 I mean, what a time. What a time to be alive. 1048 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,040 Clay Harbor, who's like a reality? 1049 00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:27,200 I know I was sending trade offers probably to like John 1050 00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,800 Moore to get to get Aaron Rodgers. 1051 00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,440 I was like, I got Bortles baby, you want them, you I know you 1052 00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:34,640 want them. Give me Rodger. 1053 00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:35,880 I'll give you a first in Bortles. 1054 00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,520 You give me Rodgers didn't didn't get accepted, but that's 1055 00:48:38,720 --> 00:48:40,200 that's the. World we were in where that's, 1056 00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,360 that's where that's where we were at, I feel. 1057 00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:46,080 Confident doing that. All right, let's move to, let's 1058 00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,640 move to Jalen McMillan. I, I was hoping, I was hoping 1059 00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,400 that we would get to, to, to this one. 1060 00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:56,880 So I mean, this is the obvious, we all love this guy in the big 1061 00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:00,200 board, particularly in the legendary upside and ship 1062 00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,680 chasing discords. We were like having a contest 1063 00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:04,320 who could draft the most of them. 1064 00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,280 Just want it on the record. I definitely won. 1065 00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,440 I ended up with like 65% Jalen McMillan in the big board. 1066 00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:14,280 Good Lord, we are. We are now approaching doing a 1067 00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:18,760 bit territory with our picks when we're we're Jalen McMillan. 1068 00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,680 I saw him go in the 15th round of a draft I did this morning. 1069 00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,560 Well, I don't think Cowboy calls him Mcmillions every chance he 1070 00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,640 gets, and I'm pretty sure it's just that nickname that's got 1071 00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:29,640 him to the 15th. Round Mcmillions is gonna. 1072 00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:34,000 Boost Mcmillionaire, I mean. Mcmillionaire. 1073 00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,640 Oh my God. I wanted, I mean, I want it on 1074 00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,680 the record that I am the Mcmillionaire is if we're, if 1075 00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:41,120 we're going, if we're going there. 1076 00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:43,640 Pat's literally the big millionaire. 1077 00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:47,840 Mcpet literally the you are the. Millionaire hit the hit the 1078 00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:49,680 Mick. Here here is the. 1079 00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,520 Here's the deal, though. Remember that Chappelle Show 1080 00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,480 skit where he goes and works for whack Arnold's? 1081 00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:58,320 You are the whack millionaire, correct? 1082 00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,160 That's that's the actual MC millionaire, that you're the 1083 00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,720 whack millionaire. Well, the I'm the theoretical 1084 00:50:03,720 --> 00:50:05,240 millionaire. Theoretically. 1085 00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:06,240 Like it's all. It's all. 1086 00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,040 Theoretical. This clan's bucks. 1087 00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:14,120 One, are we 100% sure Jill McMillan is going to beat out 1088 00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:16,520 Trey Palmer over the course of the season? 1089 00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:18,920 That is the difference between the Chad is asking about 1090 00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:20,760 Jermaine Burton and Ricky Pearsall. 1091 00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,440 To me, that is the difference because Trey Palmer was actually 1092 00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,480 like a pretty cromulent player last year. 1093 00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:30,440 I don't think there's, I don't think there's any like rush to 1094 00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:34,360 get Trey Palmer on the bench. I just got an ADP chasing bingo 1095 00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:36,200 with Cromulent. There, I had that. 1096 00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:37,880 Yeah, you. Yeah. 1097 00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:43,640 You cross it off. Where are you guys at on on 1098 00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:45,680 McMillan? I mean this is he is like a huge 1099 00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,040 pumper in terms of raw ADP value. 1100 00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:52,600 He is going up a ton. I'm in on McMillan. 1101 00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,840 Like I, I, I mean, unless he just settled in like the 14th 1102 00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:00,640 round, that would be like, I, I guess I'm, you know, done having 1103 00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,040 him as like a, a guy to target late, but he's one of the 1104 00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,040 easiest clicks for me in the 17th, 18th round. 1105 00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:07,840 You're like, oh, I want to tack on an extra receiver. 1106 00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:13,800 He's got enough draft capital. He was, you know, interesting 1107 00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,840 kind of you. You got to put on a little bit 1108 00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,840 of rose colored glasses to see like big upside with his profile 1109 00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,720 injury red old final season but scouts are pretty into him. 1110 00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:24,560 The Rose colored glasses are cheap though. 1111 00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,360 They are they are. They're not expensive ones. 1112 00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,760 And like, I guess it really comes down to, is Godwin back in 1113 00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,320 the slot? And then in that case, maybe 1114 00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:38,760 Trey Palmer's outside and then Mcmillan's like a rotational 1115 00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:42,120 slot guy. But they like him, right? 1116 00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:42,920 They like him. They. 1117 00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:45,640 It's been good, yeah. And so that. 1118 00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,920 Would lead me to believe. Yeah, lead me to believe that 1119 00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:53,320 Godwin doesn't just like play all in the slot and they move 1120 00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,840 him around and he played more outside last year than he used 1121 00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,760 to under Arians and stuff. So I don't know. 1122 00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:02,840 I mean, it's it's kind of like rookie who's doing well in the 1123 00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:06,880 early part of, you know, OT as mini camp stuff and has enough 1124 00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,760 draft capital and a pretty clear path to playing time. 1125 00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,600 So I'm going to take that guy in the 17th, 18th and 16th. 1126 00:52:13,720 --> 00:52:15,640 If he got to the 14th, I guess I'd be like. 1127 00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,520 So my thing with him going in the 15th now or rising or 1128 00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:27,560 whatever is like at this point, I, I don't really care about the 1129 00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:29,400 difference between the 15th and 18th round. 1130 00:52:29,720 --> 00:52:31,800 In every draft, there are eighteenth round picks that I'm 1131 00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:33,760 comfortable with and I don't think should be going there. 1132 00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,680 And I actually don't really mind taking the 18th round picks in 1133 00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:38,440 like the 15th round 'cause I feel like I'm getting a little 1134 00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,440 bit of a different texture to my late round stuff. 1135 00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,400 And by taking like four different 18 rounders, right, 1136 00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,280 Like no one else is getting that 'cause they're so worried about 1137 00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,320 taking a 15th rounder and 15. But if you're doing a build 1138 00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,920 where you have, you know, Baker for, for some reason, or you're 1139 00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:56,080 going towards a Bucks build or you have Bryce Young for some 1140 00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:59,000 reason that you want McMillan as a bring back or any reason that 1141 00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:00,920 he really fits, like, yeah, take him in the 15th round. 1142 00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,280 I. Don't care, I don't care at all 1143 00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:09,000 really I mean once like round 13 comes around, I'm kind of just 1144 00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,160 like I'm just worried about the combos there I mean sure you 1145 00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,440 need to be like a little you should be a little price 1146 00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,680 sensitive I. Think in August it's it's it's 1147 00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:17,760 trickier. But now, like, there's a lot of 1148 00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:19,960 prices that are just loose, and it's like, all right, yeah. 1149 00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:21,800 Well, it's like, particularly with. 1150 00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:25,440 Podcast I said this on, but it's we're nominating $1.00 players 1151 00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:29,160 and you're literally nominating them like would you would you 1152 00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,040 get if someone nominate in an auction in the final rounds? 1153 00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,320 We're all the money spent. We're just ready to log off. 1154 00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,960 It's been 3 hours if someone nominated Jalen McMillan like 1155 00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:41,080 before. Nobody would go to $2.00 Rashad. 1156 00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:45,000 Bateman, would you be like? Whoa, dude, no, you know, you 1157 00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,920 know what, I probably someone would go $2.00 on Rashad 1158 00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:51,920 Bateman. So if someone, Rashad Bateman, 1159 00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,680 Rashad Bateman is going to be Rashad Bateman is going to go 1160 00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:56,480 the Josh Gordon route. I mean, it's going to be, it's 1161 00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,640 going to be like it's going to be 2031. 1162 00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:01,280 He's going to be 30 years old. He's going to be trying out with 1163 00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,600 the Dallas Cowboys. I wish. 1164 00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:07,360 I wish Rashad Bateman had ever flashed like Jeff Corn. 1165 00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,120 I would. You don't know how bad I wish 1166 00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:10,520 that. Happened. 1167 00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:12,560 Well, maybe. Maybe Martavis Bryant is the 1168 00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:14,120 better comparison. Where Martavis. 1169 00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:15,680 Bryant, I would take the Martavis. 1170 00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:17,600 Bryant Flash. I would take that. 1171 00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,320 Give me that flash baby, all right? 1172 00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,360 We're all looking for the guy who did this, but I see that 1173 00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:27,160 some some Patriots ADP's are are rising and Demario Douglas or 1174 00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,040 Andre Stevenson. He's he's apparently been the 1175 00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,800 star of Patriots camp. Well, he was the star of camp 1176 00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:33,800 last year too. I mean, that's how that's how he 1177 00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,840 ended up making the impact that he did despite being behind all 1178 00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:40,080 those veterans. I think he's probably a very 1179 00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:42,880 good NFL player. It's going to be very hard for 1180 00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,920 him to matter on underdog the same way it's hard for like guys 1181 00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:51,280 like my favorite guys, Wan Dale and two two to to to matter on 1182 00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,320 on half point PPR sites, like how many touchdowns are going to 1183 00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,040 be available there? The reminder thing is, is just, 1184 00:54:57,640 --> 00:54:59,520 you know, the dude, the dude signed the contract. 1185 00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,800 And so everyone's all jazzed up about it. 1186 00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,640 I don't know. Yeah, I think Crane, you're 1187 00:55:04,720 --> 00:55:06,360 you're our Patriots correspondent. 1188 00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,360 They're they're good picks. They're good picks. 1189 00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:12,240 The the stuff out of Patriots camp has been bullish on May's, 1190 00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:14,200 you know, likelihood of playing early. 1191 00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,960 I don't know if he's going to play, you know, week 3 or 1192 00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:19,360 whatever. Maybe it's not till week five or 1193 00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,080 something like that, but like he's going to get in there 1194 00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,640 pretty pretty early based on his progression so far. 1195 00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:26,760 And then Douglas specifically has has looked good and then 1196 00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:28,560 they re signed Romandre. So I think all of these make 1197 00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:29,840 sense. Like, you know, they're not 1198 00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:33,480 gigantic rises either. 3% rise for both Romandre. 1199 00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:35,520 The move was to start taking him a little bit more before the 1200 00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:40,680 contract, which we we were ahead of on the leg up ranks 'cause it 1201 00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:43,760 was pretty clear this was coming not like all offseason but like 1202 00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,840 the last like week 10 days. No, it was pretty clear it. 1203 00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:52,080 Was pretty clear, Yeah. So, you know, he'll rise a 1204 00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:54,840 little bit based on, you know, the news comes and then that 1205 00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:56,080 creates the rise That always happens. 1206 00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:57,880 Even if you felt like it should be baked in this. 1207 00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:02,040 This makes sense. The the corresponding drop for 1208 00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:05,040 Gibson has been insane to me. Like what are people thinking is 1209 00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:10,040 going to happen? No, the drop for Gibson doesn't 1210 00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:13,920 make any sense because he was a contingent play slash like 1211 00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:15,600 rotational. You know, you're hoping he gets 1212 00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:19,920 like true like passing down like 2 minute drill stuff, but that 1213 00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:21,440 doesn't, a new contract for Madre doesn't. 1214 00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:22,560 Matter. I heard they're playing him in 1215 00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:24,640 the slot, dude. I heard they're both going to be 1216 00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,800 on the field at the same time. Gibson's in the He's in 1217 00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:29,880 offensive. I mean, I, I think there was 1218 00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:33,160 some argument that Gibson, because he does have size, could 1219 00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,600 take some of the early work too, could take like A and and 1220 00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,560 Stevenson's contract to me was was meaningful. 1221 00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:45,240 For Gibson. For for Stevenson, yeah, I 1222 00:56:45,240 --> 00:56:48,080 hadn't been super into to Stevenson at price and I was 1223 00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:50,120 like, all right, well, I mean, they're they're still commit the 1224 00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:54,400 new coaching staff, the new, you know, regime is is into 1225 00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,920 Stevenson as like the lead back. That's good to know. 1226 00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:01,400 And here's the other thing, when you take these guys, you get to 1227 00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:05,160 take Drake May, who people forget was a great quarterback 1228 00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:10,080 prospect. That is, I mean, we've all been 1229 00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,400 there. You know, it's the 14th round. 1230 00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:14,720 You're scared. Your back door stat. 1231 00:57:14,720 --> 00:57:17,400 You you you really want me to get Matthew Stafford with Cooper 1232 00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:18,400 Cup? He's not there. 1233 00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,560 He's gone. You're like, well, what do I do? 1234 00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,000 Do I do? Do I do Cedric Tillman, Deshaun 1235 00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:25,480 Watson? I don't think so. 1236 00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:29,680 So let's set up Demario, Douglas and Drake. 1237 00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:31,000 May we? We've all been there. 1238 00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,720 My. Baker, Hunter, Henry Gibson. 1239 00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:37,480 Yeah, Javon Baker Gibson, honey. A little before that, yeah. 1240 00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:39,480 It's. I need to I need to start like 1241 00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:43,200 making myself do like Troy Franklin Bonex more because the 1242 00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:46,360 the may bags are get. That's what I did. 1243 00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:48,880 I forced myself to start doing that more because it's a good 1244 00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:50,520 bet. The Bonex bet is a good bet. 1245 00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:54,720 Well, Gretsch doesn't have this problem, but I do like 8 drafts 1246 00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:56,480 at a time. Like I'm just sitting there like 1247 00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:58,640 I did like 7:00 this morning at a time. 1248 00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:01,720 Whoa. And like two of them, I was just 1249 00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:04,360 like, I got nothing planned for a quarterback Like I just got to 1250 00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:08,200 do Javon Baker, Drake may like right now, like just so I I. 1251 00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:11,760 Sounds like you did have a. Plan buddy, I've been pumping 1252 00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:14,480 Drake May a little since talking to you last, Pat. 1253 00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:16,200 But yeah, Nick, I agree with the Knicks. 1254 00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,480 Knicks is my highest roster quarterback. 1255 00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:19,760 I just looked. Yeah. 1256 00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:24,320 He such an easy pick late. If you take Bonex you do sadly 1257 00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,360 no ball. I mean they, I, I feel like, I 1258 00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:30,160 feel like like quarterback 31 Bonex is like wide receiver 40 1259 00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:33,360 not 59 Dantavian Wicks. I'll never forgive the schedule 1260 00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:36,240 makers for making May and Knicks Week 14 buys. 1261 00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,560 You just pair it in A and mix and all like this May 1262 00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:43,000 quarterback, late quarterback may mix that Why isn't that my? 1263 00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,200 Whole have you thought about how unique that would be? 1264 00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:48,040 Brother, you just eat the zero at quarterback in week 14 I've 1265 00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:50,600 thought about. It a lot. 1266 00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:54,640 I mean, I do, I've made three QB builds with those two and it 1267 00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,360 sucks 'cause you like if you're making three QB builds, you do 1268 00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,680 kind of like different 80 PS But I'm like, look, the the other 1269 00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,080 guy is my QB one. I just need that guy to be good 1270 00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:07,440 at Week 14 and then and now I have like two QB twos, Drake and 1271 00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,880 Modex. They have to say bye. 1272 00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:11,080 Who cares? Who cares? 1273 00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:12,800 Let's go, Let's go to the fallers. 1274 00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:19,040 All right, to the fallers. Juwan is hurt, obviously. 1275 00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:24,000 Yeah, obviously Keon, I I guess this is the corresponding Titans 1276 00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:25,760 moves. The Titans guys are going up, 1277 00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:28,080 Coleman's going down. And Rashi Rice and. 1278 00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:31,360 Brandon. Johnson, JSN those. 1279 00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:34,160 If that whole group is coming up, then Coleman's got to come 1280 00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,000 down. Did you guys see the Brandon 1281 00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:39,520 Bean thing on Twitter? Yeah, that was also pretty bad. 1282 00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,520 I I did not. Was he just like Keon Coleman? 1283 00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:43,760 Stinks. Can't get open. 1284 00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:47,360 He it was like GM speak for that. 1285 00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:49,760 Yeah, it's probably coach speak Index who had it. 1286 00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:51,680 I'll try to pull it up. Here, but he can't get open. 1287 00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:53,440 I mean that like I, I don't, I don't. 1288 00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:58,120 That shouldn't be new or surprising that he can't get 1289 00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:01,080 open that that wasn't. That wasn't really his skill 1290 01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:04,400 set. At Michigan State or at at 1291 01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:07,920 Florida State, it's just not he, he's a jump ball. 1292 01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,920 He is. I mean, I think like a really 1293 01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:14,760 great upside case for him would be for if we're talking about 1294 01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:19,200 guys who were good in 2015, Alshon Jeffrey, it would kind of 1295 01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:22,840 comes to mind. Just like a super big bodied, he 1296 01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:27,600 boxes you out, you know, and no one ever mistook Alshon Jeffrey 1297 01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:30,960 for a great route runner. He caught a lot of passes 1298 01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:32,960 because he was just a big strong dude. 1299 01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:38,440 And this is probably my, this is probably my clearest 4% exposure 1300 01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:41,280 blanket player. Like I'm, I'm going to have some 1301 01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:44,240 because the volume is there. Like if he's good, he's going to 1302 01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:47,920 have 100 plus targets and he's going to be fine with, you know, 1303 01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:49,480 a good Bill's offense. He's going to have a good year 1304 01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:50,920 and you're going to wish you had some of him. 1305 01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:53,640 But also like, don't really believe in it. 1306 01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,920 I, I, I'm going. To be 6% if I don't have if I 1307 01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,720 don't have Kincaid or Cook, I will sometimes reach and take 1308 01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:02,480 him with Allen just to make sure I have someone stacked and that 1309 01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:05,680 could be the look. I don't have Kincaid, so you 1310 01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:08,680 know, that's it's Coleman could be the reason Kincaid wasn't 1311 01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:11,080 such a great pick. So I'm willing to do that. 1312 01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:13,360 Otherwise, it's like I really need a wide receiver four and 1313 01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:15,320 it's the late 7th and Coleman's the only guy left. 1314 01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,320 That's the only kind of not Josh Allen time I'm taking at this 1315 01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:20,280 point. If I share this, will you guys 1316 01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:22,760 do you guys hear this and. You mentioned the wide. 1317 01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,400 Receivers, What about Keon Coleman in particular? 1318 01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:27,960 What have you seen from him through OTAs and how many can? 1319 01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:30,880 I think Keon's worked hard like anything. 1320 01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:33,840 College playbook, first NFL playbook. 1321 01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:36,480 Big difference. The verbiage where he's lining 1322 01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:38,960 up the side adjusts all the variances. 1323 01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:42,400 He's got to do even just what we ask in the in the run game for 1324 01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:44,240 our guys. I don't know specifically what 1325 01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:47,800 he was asked there some schools or you know, there's very 1326 01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:49,040 little. It's just like if it's not a 1327 01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:52,080 pass play, take a playoff, That's not that's not here. 1328 01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:55,200 He's got to be involved in in in all phases of our offense. 1329 01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:58,240 So but I see a guy who's working hard, he's competitive. 1330 01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:00,440 You guys have got to know his personality. 1331 01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:03,240 That's he's genuine. That's, that's truly who he is. 1332 01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,240 And like anything, he's going to have bumps in the road. 1333 01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:09,400 He's a rookie and and I think we all need to understand that, but 1334 01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,600 I think him and Josh are working on that rapport that's that's 1335 01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:14,480 going to be necessary between quarterback and receiver 1336 01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:18,320 Brandon. That's as bearish as it gets. 1337 01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:21,200 Let me tell you, let me tell you this. 1338 01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:24,080 The chat is trying to compare Keon Coleman and George Pickens. 1339 01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:28,840 Wrong Pickens coach would say he's a Dick maybe, but they 1340 01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:32,040 wouldn't say he doesn't know ball like that one. 1341 01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:37,760 That is to to intimate that Keon Coleman does not know how to run 1342 01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:41,840 block in this offense. That he never was taught how to 1343 01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:43,600 run. I don't know what they do down 1344 01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:44,800 there 'cause he doesn't know what he's. 1345 01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:47,680 Doing they take they take the playoff. 1346 01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:50,240 I mean that is. But that's not here. 1347 01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:54,280 That is about as bad as it gets. That is, that is like. 1348 01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:57,760 That's what happens Like get ready to learn backing up MVS 1349 01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:02,240 your rookie season like that is. That is, that is Chase Claypool 1350 01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:11,920 might make the roster music. Yeah, I still take him with Josh 1351 01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:14,120 Allen sometimes, but it is scary. 1352 01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:15,240 How? Can you not? 1353 01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:18,560 How can you not? My 4% exposure blanket just 1354 01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:22,440 became a 3% exposure blanket. No, I think I think he's 1355 01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:26,760 disappointed. I think this is a, this is a 1356 01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:30,320 total spot where you should not get to in the weeds where it's 1357 01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:34,400 like this could be a, this could be an, a chain situation, right? 1358 01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:37,360 Where it's like, it's like a chain was hurt and that he never 1359 01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:38,960 really started and like the coaches. 1360 01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:42,480 The the the problem with the Pickens and a chain coms is they 1361 01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:44,400 were good prospects in camper. Coleman wants it. 1362 01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:48,880 Yeah, there's a big difference. Yeah, I mean, Coleman was a 1363 01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:51,360 three-year guy with good draft capital. 1364 01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:52,880 I'll. Produce Jaden Reed at Michigan 1365 01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:55,720 State. He's not fast, but he's like 1366 01:03:56,080 --> 01:04:00,280 athletic in certain ways. You know, he's a basketball kind 1367 01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:03,240 of box out, I mean. He's he literally was on the 1368 01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:05,840 Michigan State. He was literally on the Michigan 1369 01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:09,440 State basketball team. Yeah, so and he's a good yards 1370 01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:11,440 after catch guy like you could see. 1371 01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:14,280 You could see you guys have Mac Hollands on the roster, too. 1372 01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:16,960 I'm going to be do we got to start drafting Mac Holland. 1373 01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:19,000 I've taken some Matt Mac Collins in the big board. 1374 01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:22,840 I oh, of course I have. It was before Claypools, before 1375 01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:24,560 Coleman. It was before MVSI was like is 1376 01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:26,400 Mac Collins. Does it make the roster? 1377 01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:28,840 Starting X. Far and away, far and away. 1378 01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:32,880 The funniest thing that happens is if KJ Hamler ends up making 1379 01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,360 the active roster. I mean, then then you're just 1380 01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:37,680 like, well, what are? Well, that's a Curtis Samuel. 1381 01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:42,240 Oh, we need 2% exposure sheets. You know, you get the 4% 1382 01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:44,840 blanket, but it's just a sheet. 2%. 1383 01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:47,200 We want a 2% exposure. Sheet. 1384 01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:49,840 It doesn't give you that warm but like it's there. 1385 01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:51,040 No, it's there. It's not. 1386 01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:52,960 It's not for comfort. But it's like, it's like when 1387 01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:55,240 you're, you stay the night, you stay the night at your friend's 1388 01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:57,320 house and they don't give you a blanket and you just like need 1389 01:04:57,360 --> 01:04:58,560 anything. You're just, you're just 1390 01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:00,240 freezing. You're, you know, you're 14 1391 01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:02,280 years old. You're and you're like, it's 1392 01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:05,520 like, it's like I found, I found AI found a really large beach 1393 01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:10,480 towel that his mom left out. I've done that move and he's 1394 01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:12,560 just shiver away. Oh God. 1395 01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:20,720 Yeah, look, I don't know. I don't have anything new or 1396 01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:24,760 novel to say. He's a 4% exposure blanket guy. 1397 01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:29,400 I I I can't find a compelling reason really to take him over 1398 01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:31,320 Brian Thomas Junior or Ladd Mcconkey. 1399 01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:34,760 Can we just Sam's methodology? Might need some work here. 1400 01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:39,040 Original ADP 18, new ADP18 change -4%. 1401 01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:44,960 I I, I have noticed Iuke. I actually, I'll put my hand up, 1402 01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:46,600 guys. I told you guys. 1403 01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:49,600 I told you guys I was drafting. No, Brandon Iuke. 1404 01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:55,320 I I've been taking him a smidge. Just like a small smidgen. 2% 1405 01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:56,920 exposure feet or exposure blanket. 1406 01:05:57,120 --> 01:06:01,600 Maybe, maybe, maybe if maybe a three-point 3% exposure blanket. 1407 01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:06,000 I really after talking to JJ the other day, he was just like, 1408 01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:10,000 that's just a guy who could bury you mean he and and he could he 1409 01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:13,080 he definitely could. What do you guys think is more 1410 01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:15,720 likely? He buries you via trade or he 1411 01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:18,600 buries you via not getting traded and just has like a nut 1412 01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:21,560 season. Not getting traded 'cause he was 1413 01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:24,000 awesome last year and he just needed more targets to bury you. 1414 01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:27,320 Yeah. Yeah, but I, I do think you 1415 01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:30,640 would need multiple injuries. I just, I don't think that's 1416 01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:33,040 just their offense works. They know they know he was 1417 01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:35,840 awesome, but they use him as like a decoy on a lot of their 1418 01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:38,280 stuff. Like I don't know man. 1419 01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:42,440 Like he not not like a like a full on decoy, but like the the 1420 01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:46,840 players that I would argue get like guaranteed touches every 1421 01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:48,800 week in the game plan are CMC and Debo. 1422 01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:50,320 They get a lot of stuff on the line of scrimmage. 1423 01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:52,680 They do a lot of that stuff. Even when they do play action or 1424 01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:55,920 fake run, it's a lot of short passes and Yak and and Iuke's 1425 01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:58,400 running vertical and you have to have air yards under that. 1426 01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:01,360 He's going to get he he attacks the middle of the field. 1427 01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:03,600 He attacks that deep middle of the field. 1428 01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:07,640 His profile's sexy for a downfield receiver, But we know 1429 01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:10,360 so much of this offense is predicated on run and short pass 1430 01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:12,800 with Yak and he doesn't get any of that. 1431 01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:16,200 So I think like for the offense to suddenly be about getting 1432 01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:18,880 even to the deep middle and intermediate and vertical routes 1433 01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:24,440 more like a high degree more would require one of CMC and 1434 01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:28,600 Debo to go down. Maybe both or or Kittle and or 1435 01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:29,920 right. Like I mean it. 1436 01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:34,320 He was so, so, so good last year and still wasn't good enough to 1437 01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:37,120 really justify this ADPI don't think like he where did he 1438 01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:39,960 finish? Like good on a per out run rate 1439 01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:42,040 basis, right? He was over three yards per out 1440 01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:46,840 run, but because he only had 105 targets, he finishes like wide 1441 01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:48,920 receiver 12 or something. I'm trying to pull it up right 1442 01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:51,040 now. Like, yeah, wide receiver 12 in 1443 01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:53,080 it's it's. Bet on talent. 1444 01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:55,640 I mean, total, he is one of the best, he's one of the most 1445 01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:59,000 talented receivers in the league and he's in a great system. 1446 01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:02,560 So it's just kind of like, yeah, I I do agree, like he to really 1447 01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:05,400 bear you, I would say just Debo needs to get hurt. 1448 01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:09,920 Like I don't see CMC hurting his ability to crush in a single 1449 01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:11,480 week, you know? Maybe. 1450 01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:13,840 Yeah, in one week. But for the season to bury, 1451 01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:15,480 maybe for Yeah, he could bury you in one week. 1452 01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:17,279 Yeah, but the yeah, he could be that. 1453 01:08:17,279 --> 01:08:19,840 Dude that like Pickens and Amari were in the in the in the in. 1454 01:08:20,319 --> 01:08:23,560 The exactly and I, I want CMC to stay healthy if I'm betting on 1455 01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:28,120 IUK because I want the 49ers to be the what they want to be, you 1456 01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:30,520 know but I want it to just flow more through IUK when they are 1457 01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:33,920 passing I. Don't know. 1458 01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:37,920 I mean, I think it seems it's like, yeah, see, the CMC injury 1459 01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:41,240 still benefits Iuke to some degree. 1460 01:08:41,359 --> 01:08:46,720 I mean, it's huge. If anything, if anything, it it 1461 01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:49,439 would just tilt their offense in a different direction. 1462 01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:51,600 Like it just wouldn't be, like you just wouldn't have all these 1463 01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:52,600 random. Games. 1464 01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:55,160 Does he have the Falcons year in him anymore? 1465 01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:57,399 Can we ever go back to that or is that just over? 1466 01:08:57,399 --> 01:08:59,760 He'd have to find a quarterback he trusts, and if you they're. 1467 01:08:59,880 --> 01:09:03,800 Too good. They're too good and he does not 1468 01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:06,880 have any interest in in Purdy throwing 45 * a game. 1469 01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:10,040 None, absolutely none. 00 interest than that. 1470 01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:14,080 You can 110 target game. Last year 29 target games. 1471 01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:17,640 This includes the three playoff games, 3/8 target games. 1472 01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:18,920 Everything else was seven or less. 1473 01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:21,800 A lot of six and seven target games, but this is a second 1474 01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:23,640 round. Receiver Devante Adams goes 1475 01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:26,399 behind him and had 175 targets, hits 70 more. 1476 01:09:26,399 --> 01:09:28,920 Targets and and his Gretsch. Do you know the lore? 1477 01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:31,439 He's the all time week 17 scorer. 1478 01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:34,920 He averages like 38 underdog points a game in Week 17. 1479 01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:37,920 Adam, What's that, Adams? He's had he's, I believe he's 1480 01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:41,920 been over 30 points in every Best Ball Mania final week. 1481 01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:45,840 Adam So I was so I was sweating. I was I was anti sweating Adams 1482 01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:49,240 with I had Kittle and they kept throwing on Adams. 1483 01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:53,160 Is there is there any quarterback or any coach that 1484 01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:56,520 knows he's getting away with it more than Kyle Shanahan with 1485 01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:59,240 Brock Purdy, like every day he wakes up and he's like, I don't 1486 01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:04,040 know this shit Can I can't believe he's like when I took 1487 01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:07,160 Trey Lance, I got rid of him and I just got gifted this and I can 1488 01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:10,640 wake up tomorrow and Purdy could turn back into a milk carton. 1489 01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:14,960 He knows it and you know he knows it. 1490 01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:18,280 In his heart of hearts, he knows that Purdy kind of stinks. 1491 01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:24,200 Like he really does. Yeah. 1492 01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:26,400 They did blow everyone out last year. 1493 01:10:26,480 --> 01:10:28,880 I mean that that is that is true, which is not ideal. 1494 01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:30,440 You actually don't want that for fantasy. 1495 01:10:30,440 --> 01:10:31,960 You want the Will Levis situation. 1496 01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:33,760 You want you want the pick sixes? 1497 01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:36,320 You want some some close games. I don't know if you want the 1498 01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:38,240 pick sixes with the 49ers though, 'cause they they will 1499 01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:40,760 just shut it down. They I'm worried, I'm more 1500 01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:43,160 worried Shanahan goes, you know, Mike Vrabel, right? 1501 01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:46,040 If you're if we're talking Titans comparisons, I don't 1502 01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:47,560 think he ever embraces the past like that. 1503 01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:50,320 Again, what what would be your guys's counter to my little rant 1504 01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:52,240 there though 'cause I, I actually like want to get in on 1505 01:10:52,440 --> 01:10:54,200 Auk and and for you to say that JJ made. 1506 01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:56,520 That case, the counter is that the counter is that you're 1507 01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:58,120 right, the counter is that you're right. 1508 01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:00,360 I I think Ayuk is probably the worst take in the second. 1509 01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:02,440 Round that's not the counter that you just agreed with him. 1510 01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:05,240 I I want to kick Ayuk. He's really good. 1511 01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:08,040 I had him a lot last year and loved how good he was, but like, 1512 01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:10,320 I want to know. I want to know the counter to 1513 01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:12,880 why I should be drafting him in the second round when he had 105 1514 01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:16,280 targets last year and finished outside the top 12 receivers in 1515 01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:19,480 points per game and half PPR. Even on a three plus yards per 1516 01:11:19,480 --> 01:11:22,600 out run, 13 plus yards per target, this guy was like so 1517 01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:24,600 good per out. You can't imagine his efficiency 1518 01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:26,560 going higher. And I'm not fading the 1519 01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:30,360 efficiency, but like, where's the volume going to come from 1520 01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:33,920 that still matters in fantasy. Full point. 1521 01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:38,200 Can't be as confident as we think about Debo's health and 1522 01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:41,360 Kittle's like. Yeah, I think what what it would 1523 01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:45,320 my my pushback would be generally volume we use as a 1524 01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:48,600 proxy for talent. You know, it's like baked into 1525 01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:50,600 the the talent equation. How good is this guy? 1526 01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:54,280 But he's so efficient on a per route basis. 1527 01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:58,800 And we know that this offense is kind of loaded with stars. 1528 01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:02,080 We know the game plan specifically to their opponents 1529 01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:05,280 really, really well. It's a hyper efficient offense. 1530 01:12:05,440 --> 01:12:09,120 He's in an unfortunate situation that's actually downplaying his 1531 01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:10,680 talent. And I think we can feel pretty 1532 01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:13,400 confident about that. Look at stuff like open score 1533 01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:16,600 the last two years. He's been top 15 in open score 1534 01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:19,720 in both years. Like there's lots of there's 1535 01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:21,600 lots of evidence that Iuke is a star. 1536 01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:25,640 And so it is just that you're getting a star wide receiver in 1537 01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:28,480 the second round in a market that is pricing wide receivers 1538 01:12:28,480 --> 01:12:32,240 up more than ever before. And he's in a good offense. 1539 01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:34,160 He's going to have efficient quarterback play. 1540 01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:37,720 And you like, yeah, you kind of hope for the best a little bit 1541 01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:40,200 on the volume stuff. It's but you're betting you just 1542 01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:42,960 a bet on, it's a bet on talent. It's just a pure bet on talent. 1543 01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:46,440 Yeah, that's fair. I mean, honestly, like that's 1544 01:12:46,480 --> 01:12:48,680 fair. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm subbing for 1545 01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:50,320 Sam today. I got to throw in a few that's 1546 01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:53,640 fairs. But I like honestly, I, I get 1547 01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:57,160 that and I don't want him to be the guy who scores 50 points in 1548 01:12:57,160 --> 01:12:59,840 the playoffs and I don't have much exposure to him, so I'll 1549 01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:02,120 probably take some, but I'm like, I'm looking at his game 1550 01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:05,880 log right now. I mean, he had 32 yards, 68 and 1551 01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:08,880 49 in their three playoff games. The 68 was against Detroit and 1552 01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:10,920 one of his three catches and was off the face mask of the 1553 01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:11,760 defendant. You know what I mean? 1554 01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:14,920 Like without that play, he's sub 50 yards in all three playoff 1555 01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:17,680 games. It's just like, and he did that 1556 01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:19,040 a few times in the regular season. 1557 01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:21,560 He had a bunch of three catch games, a couple 2 catch games 1558 01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:23,760 because the target targets are not strong. 1559 01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:28,880 It's just like you got to get, I think you have to build like a 1560 01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:31,600 Deante Johnson is a great pick with Brandon Nyuk. 1561 01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:34,800 Like he's a cheap source of consistent volumes volume 1562 01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:37,200 because I do think Nyuk's going to have games that are not very 1563 01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:39,560 usable because they aren't going to need to throw down field a 1564 01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:40,800 ton. And they they aren't going to 1565 01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:43,200 just they don't throw to him when they don't need to. 1566 01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:46,320 Why would they risk throwing down field when McCaffrey and 1567 01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:47,880 Debo are dominating in the short area? 1568 01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:51,640 The the hyper conservative play calling like Shanahan will just 1569 01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:55,320 stick with that stuff. And so in those games, you know 1570 01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:57,960 you're going to get some some non usable weeks out of a second 1571 01:13:57,960 --> 01:13:59,760 round wide receiver. So the rest of your receiver 1572 01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:03,680 room, I think you're looking for some usable stability. 1573 01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:05,800 And so like that's the Deontay Johnson comment, or at least 1574 01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:07,400 that's my my way of thinking through it. 1575 01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:11,720 But you you probably can't match IU's spike week upside, right? 1576 01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:14,320 Like you, you've got to have some exposure to that. 1577 01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:17,040 I I think so. I think you want exposure to it. 1578 01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:20,240 I take Olabi over him. I'm not like hammering him, but 1579 01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:24,200 he's I usually take, sometimes I mix it up, but he's I just think 1580 01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:26,000 it's like, damn, he's really good. 1581 01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:28,240 He's in a good situation. One that we expect to be 1582 01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:30,480 efficient. One can support big weeks. 1583 01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:33,240 The 49ers also with Purdy are a little bit different than they 1584 01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:35,800 used to be with Garoppolo, where like they will sometimes have 1585 01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:38,120 really impressive weeks through the air with Purdy. 1586 01:14:38,480 --> 01:14:40,480 It's not what they want to do. It's not what they show up 1587 01:14:40,480 --> 01:14:43,200 looking to do necessarily, but they have the ability to do it. 1588 01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:45,520 And I don't know, you know, when. 1589 01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:48,040 He hits defenders in the face mask and ricochets it back to 1590 01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:49,920 his receiver. What if the defense is worse 1591 01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:51,920 too? Like sometimes, you know, like 1592 01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:55,400 we're not very good at predicting defensive quality and 1593 01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:56,840 they've been good for a long time. 1594 01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:58,720 So we just assume that they'll be they'll be really, really 1595 01:14:58,720 --> 01:14:59,760 good again. They probably will be. 1596 01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:02,240 But like, that's another thing. Like, what if they're just 1597 01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:03,480 playing from behind a little bit more? 1598 01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:08,480 That's fair, That's fair. Any, anything that boosted 1599 01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:13,000 anything that boosted their volume to like closer to league 1600 01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:16,000 average levels would be insane, insane for him. 1601 01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:19,200 I, I want to move to Laporta, 'cause I kind of had this, I 1602 01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:21,800 kind of had this, this thought today. 1603 01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:25,280 Sam's not letting us talk about LaPorte. 1604 01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:27,880 Sam, Sam's not letting us talk. About He makes He's making us 1605 01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:30,600 skip to Rashad White. Let me, let me just let me just 1606 01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:32,720 let me just put this out there. I think he's going to get 1607 01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:35,440 significantly cheaper as as the offseason goes. 1608 01:15:35,440 --> 01:15:39,680 I just think there's going to be cheap stuff, McBride hype, 1609 01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:43,480 Andrews hype, like I just people are going to log in and be like, 1610 01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:46,880 I mean, do you know anyone who's like super bullish on him? 1611 01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:49,600 I I'm not really that bullish like he's, he's a good player 1612 01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:55,480 and I really liked him last year and maybe maybe there's 140 1613 01:15:55,480 --> 01:16:00,360 targets for him, but it's so hard to take a guy that high who 1614 01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:03,480 I don't think is going to score a ton of touchdowns, who has no 1615 01:16:03,480 --> 01:16:05,600 shot of leading his team in targets, right? 1616 01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:08,240 I mean that it's just a, it's just a hard, it's just a hard 1617 01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:10,960 sell. And I I so prefer the other 1618 01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:12,920 tight ends that I just end up with like none of him at this 1619 01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:16,560 cost. It seems maybe a little silly, 1620 01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:20,080 but I, I do think if the Jameson Williams stuff keeps up that we 1621 01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:25,280 will see Laporta fall because I do like it probably comes down 1622 01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:30,240 to basically how he projects, because I don't think from like 1623 01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:34,760 the people like me, like I think LaPorte is overpriced, but I'm 1624 01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:37,760 really into elite tight end. And then it feels like some of 1625 01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:41,800 the, it's like if you're more into the projections, you know, 1626 01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:44,600 like Leonie was saying, like the Titans don't project like that. 1627 01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:47,160 Well, like they're not like these crazy values by the 1628 01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:49,240 projections. So if the projections for 1629 01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:54,040 Laporta get a little worse, I would, I wonder if that's where 1630 01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:56,440 you start to see we're all kind of in a we're all like a little 1631 01:16:56,440 --> 01:16:58,640 bit more in lockstep that Laporta should be more of a 1632 01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:02,760 fourth round pick because it doesn't in weirdly, right. 1633 01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:06,520 The elite tight end crew I don't think is responsible for this 1634 01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:10,960 ADP because I'm like, I mean, at least from my side, I'm like, I 1635 01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:14,160 will like I basically would rather just take Kelsey straight 1636 01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:15,160 up. But if you're giving me third 1637 01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:17,320 round, Laporta versus Kelsey in the 4th, I'm taking Kelsey, 1638 01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:21,480 right, McBride and the McBride's going like, you know, you can 1639 01:17:21,480 --> 01:17:23,680 get McBride on the front half of the board in the fourth round or 1640 01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:25,120 you guys take LaPorte at like 3-10. 1641 01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:27,920 Give me McBride there all day. You can get Andrews in the 5th, 1642 01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:30,800 Kincaid in the 5th. Like it's just, he's been hard 1643 01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:33,800 for me to take without a decent discount. 1644 01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:36,960 And so I don't know, I think it'll just be, it'll come down 1645 01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:39,000 to the projection crowd and if they're, if they're going to, 1646 01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:41,120 you know, carry the flag form or not. 1647 01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:49,960 You with that crutch? Yeah, sorry, I was kind of not 1648 01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:51,200 paying attention to be honest with you. 1649 01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:53,600 That's fine, That's fine. That's fair. 1650 01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:55,720 We've all we've all we've all been there. 1651 01:17:56,440 --> 01:17:58,240 I got nothing to say about Rashad White. 1652 01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:00,880 It's like he's not even. He doesn't even exist to me when 1653 01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:03,920 I when I draft I I might have truly. 1654 01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:06,880 I agree with that. That would all all all rubber 1655 01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:08,120 stamp. He doesn't exist in me either. 1656 01:18:08,120 --> 01:18:09,600 Is that who it was about? Rashad White. 1657 01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:11,280 No, we. Were talking about how? 1658 01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:13,400 You, you saw not that hard. You don't even know what I. 1659 01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:15,920 Really did. I just got back from a road trip 1660 01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:18,120 to Montana over the weekend. Like it's been busy. 1661 01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:20,560 I've got the car for. Days. 1662 01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:24,000 I've got one Rashad White team. Wow. 1663 01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:27,320 Yeah, I take him a little like when he comes late six, you 1664 01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:29,240 know, it seems OK You're basically getting him where he 1665 01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:32,760 went last year, which seems a little silly on some level. 1666 01:18:33,480 --> 01:18:35,720 Yeah, it's ideological, but I. Only have 2%. 1667 01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:38,440 I have a 2% exposure sheet to Rashad White. 1668 01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:42,280 You have the you have the one. You have the 1% exposure beach 1669 01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:43,920 towel. Yeah, OK. 1670 01:18:44,480 --> 01:18:48,600 I mean, so I think Rashad White. Is probably this year. 1671 01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:52,120 'S Naji and Bucky Irving is this year's Jaylen Warren from last 1672 01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:54,840 year where I'm literally not taking Rashad White and I have a 1673 01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:56,800 fuck ton of Bucky Irving so hopefully. 1674 01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:59,400 That's right. But if it's not expound, expound 1675 01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:02,160 upon that please. Well, Sam shared a thing in the 1676 01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:05,040 ADP chasing chat a while back where he looked at the top, 1677 01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:09,320 however many running backs by ADP that included White and like 1678 01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:11,720 the rushing yards over expected from last year. 1679 01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:14,120 And it was like, Oh yeah, there's some good ones, 1680 01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:16,200 obviously some great ones done with the best running backs in 1681 01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:17,600 the league. And there's some that are like 1682 01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:20,080 kind of OK. And then there's Rashad White 1683 01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:22,520 who was at like the 10th percentile, right? 1684 01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:26,400 Like everyone else who's who is viewed this highly by the market 1685 01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:28,280 was at least 50th percentile or higher or something. 1686 01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:30,440 I wish Sam was here so he could actually tell you guys the real 1687 01:19:30,440 --> 01:19:32,000 stat. I'm just sort of paraphrasing 1688 01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:33,840 something that I don't even really remember, didn't look up 1689 01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:36,160 myself. But Rashad White's rushing 1690 01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:39,200 efficiency really, really weak relative to his ADP. 1691 01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:42,000 There's a lot of people who love the workload for for valid 1692 01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:43,600 reasons. Obviously what he did as a 1693 01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:46,120 receiver is incredibly important. 1694 01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:47,800 And he was really, really good as a receiver. 1695 01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:52,600 But like, he's legit really bad as a running back, as a rusher, 1696 01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:56,520 which is the most important part of, you know, probably the job, 1697 01:19:56,520 --> 01:19:57,840 right? Like you got to be able to. 1698 01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:01,680 It's not the most important part of the job for real NFL because 1699 01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:03,040 a lot of that is the pass game stuff. 1700 01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:05,680 But for playing time and for what the NFL teams want you to 1701 01:20:05,680 --> 01:20:07,960 do, like they want you to like hit a hole and run and gain 1702 01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:09,760 yardage when they hit, they call it running play. 1703 01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:12,680 And he stands in the backfield. He's not decisive. 1704 01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:15,440 His yards before contract contact are terrible because he 1705 01:20:15,440 --> 01:20:17,400 doesn't actually like run some of it. 1706 01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:21,040 Probably second year is his lake late career Le'veon Bell. 1707 01:20:21,480 --> 01:20:24,520 Right that's exactly what he is late career Le'veon Bell in his 1708 01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:27,400 second season, 3.6 yards per carry last year, 3.7 the year 1709 01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:29,640 prior. The the advance metrics back it 1710 01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:31,240 up. The over over expected stuff 1711 01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:34,240 backs it up. None of it is good as a runner. 1712 01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:37,720 Bucky Irving, not hyper efficient or I mean hyper 1713 01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:43,240 athletic, but was efficient in college and and is a decisive 1714 01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:47,040 runner was was like already praised for that in in in, in, 1715 01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:50,760 in in camp. And I think like you're running 1716 01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:52,800 a real risk of him just looking better. 1717 01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:55,600 Like basically that that Rashad White had the work lady did last 1718 01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:57,480 year because nobody could take it from him. 1719 01:20:57,480 --> 01:21:00,560 They had no backup. Bucky Irving wasn't an efficient 1720 01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:04,960 and good runner, productive runner in college, a little 1721 01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:07,320 concerned about the lack of athleticism and all that, but 1722 01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:10,160 they did draft him higher than expected. 1723 01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:14,920 He was like RB like eight or something in all of the, the 1724 01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:16,960 aggregated mock stuff going into the draft. 1725 01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:19,240 And then he got drafted as like the 6th and running back off the 1726 01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:21,000 board, which to me was like a positive. 1727 01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:23,560 You're like, OK, you got the bucks actually buying into this, 1728 01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:27,600 you know, production profile more so than the bad combine 1729 01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:28,920 numbers. And once you get that, you're 1730 01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:31,600 like, OK, they're kind of committed to this player. 1731 01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:34,160 They think he's a good a good option. 1732 01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:38,480 And so anyway, I, I mean, I'm, I'm kind of sold that Bucky 1733 01:21:38,480 --> 01:21:41,720 Irving's going to really contend to, to steal work. 1734 01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:42,760 I'm, I'm trying to look it up right now. 1735 01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:46,920 He was the 6th running back taken by actual draft capital, 1736 01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:50,040 which is like, I don't know, the, the buck seemed like to, to 1737 01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:51,520 think that he was good. They took him over a lot of 1738 01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:53,240 other guys that we we really like. 1739 01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:58,040 So this so the the thing that made me nervous, I talked to 1740 01:21:58,040 --> 01:22:01,320 Greg Brenos from coach speak Index and he was saying the pass 1741 01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:04,920 blocking was, was a concern for for Bucky. 1742 01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:09,920 And it does make you kind of think like, OK, what's the true, 1743 01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:11,600 true upside for for Bucky Irving? 1744 01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:14,120 Is he actually going to be, is he going to be able to displace 1745 01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:18,120 Rashad White on all downs? And pretty clearly, no, like 1746 01:22:18,480 --> 01:22:21,720 Rashad White has earned the trust on passing downs. 1747 01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:23,240 He's going to be out there as the receiver. 1748 01:22:23,240 --> 01:22:26,600 That's what he was in college. He was a really strong receiving 1749 01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:28,880 prospect coming in. He was able to establish himself 1750 01:22:29,320 --> 01:22:32,280 even with Fournette there in a rotation on all downs. 1751 01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:34,640 They were splitting series. So you know, pretty quickly 1752 01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:37,680 picked things up like blitz pickups and stuff and then last 1753 01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:39,720 year every down player. So he has that. 1754 01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:42,360 That's that's important. That's like really important 1755 01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:45,680 for, you know, what's the downside on white? 1756 01:22:45,680 --> 01:22:51,000 Like white might be, you know, kind of more of a receiving down 1757 01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:54,440 compliment. Maybe he's like A1A, but he gets 1758 01:22:54,440 --> 01:22:58,040 like he gets displaced a lot on a lot of like lower value stuff. 1759 01:22:58,040 --> 01:23:00,480 And then the question is, it is what's the goal line work? 1760 01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:04,400 But that's like a type of bet where you're betting basically 1761 01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:07,840 on a receiving role that we are pretty comfortable making in the 1762 01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:10,240 seventh round. And he he's almost to the 1763 01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:15,040 seventh round. So, you know, like he's, I think 1764 01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:17,920 it white, white is to the point where like I'm not taking him a 1765 01:23:17,920 --> 01:23:22,040 lot, but if he gets much cheaper, he's pretty good bet, 1766 01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:24,640 you know, 'cause you're, you're just kind of betting that he 1767 01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:27,320 gets enough of the rushing and he owns the receiving. 1768 01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:32,640 I, I get that case for, for best ball in some, in some cases, 1769 01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:36,760 like just cheap healthy volume without much risk to it. 1770 01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:38,760 And, and I don't think there's a ton of risk cause Bucky Irving 1771 01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:40,920 could just be not good enough. And your point about the pass 1772 01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:43,360 blocking is is well taken, but I just I. 1773 01:23:43,440 --> 01:23:44,960 Do just an exposure sheet on him. 1774 01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:47,600 So I'm not, I'm not like hammering white, but it I he's 1775 01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:49,880 on my radar of like if he keeps dropping. 1776 01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:52,600 But but why? What I don't understand about 1777 01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:54,600 Bucky's He caught 95 balls in in college. 1778 01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:57,040 He caught 56 last year at Oregon. 1779 01:23:57,520 --> 01:23:59,640 They obviously played him on a lot of passing downs. 1780 01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:02,680 He ran routes, though. I mean, that's the Oregon thing. 1781 01:24:03,400 --> 01:24:07,200 And also like, I don't know, Oregon numbers are like kind of 1782 01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:09,040 fake. You know, Troy Franklin has like 1783 01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:11,120 all these crazy numbers then ends up being a fourth round 1784 01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:12,640 pick. No one, no one wants him. 1785 01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:18,440 Yeah, maybe. He obviously played on passing 1786 01:24:18,440 --> 01:24:20,800 downs in college is what I don't understand about the pass 1787 01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:24,320 blocking thing is basically saying it's a really definitive 1788 01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:25,920 take. And I've seen it a lot. 1789 01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:28,880 And it's basically saying this guy who caught 56 passes last 1790 01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:30,760 year in college can't play in the passing game. 1791 01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:34,360 And that's the part where I'm like, well, he's so certain 1792 01:24:34,360 --> 01:24:38,280 about that. I would it would be less of a 1793 01:24:38,280 --> 01:24:40,800 concern if he wasn't landing with Rashad White, who's like, 1794 01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:45,360 you know, a bigger back who's also a receiving back and does 1795 01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:48,160 pass Blackwell. So the argument is that Bucky 1796 01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:50,280 takes some of the rushing stuff early 'cause he's a more 1797 01:24:50,280 --> 01:24:52,080 decisive runner and it's so obvious. 1798 01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:55,320 And then it's like, well, why are we subbing him out just for 1799 01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:56,920 the passing downs? Like, we can just keep him on 1800 01:24:56,920 --> 01:24:58,200 the field on some passing downs, too. 1801 01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:00,360 And that's like we're having to make an effort to bring Rashad 1802 01:25:00,360 --> 01:25:02,400 White onto the field on passing downs. 1803 01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:05,400 Which I could see happening. I mean if he if he gets up to 1804 01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:06,920 speed that could definitely happen. 1805 01:25:07,480 --> 01:25:11,840 So he had a 23.6 pass block grade in Oregon last year which 1806 01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:15,480 is horrendous. He wasn't 54.4 the year before 1807 01:25:15,480 --> 01:25:17,600 though, which is kind of fine, so maybe. 1808 01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:21,080 Maybe he just missed some stuff. Doesn't always and it's. 1809 01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:22,760 Not the end of the world. That stuff doesn't always 1810 01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:27,720 translate though, 'cause Chase Brown was the number one or #2 1811 01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:31,160 pass block grade guy in like all of college football, his final 1812 01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:35,920 season at Illinois and Zach Taylor and the Bengals coaches 1813 01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:39,280 are like, this guy is so bad a pass blocking, you wouldn't 1814 01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:41,600 believe it. You like, like you guys would 1815 01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:45,200 not believe how bad this guy is. And and then this offseason, all 1816 01:25:45,200 --> 01:25:47,400 they've said about him is he put the work in to get it in the 1817 01:25:47,400 --> 01:25:48,760 passing game. Like he learned how to block 1818 01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:50,760 you, blah, blah, blah, blah. But. 1819 01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:51,440 About who? Irving. 1820 01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:55,480 About Chase Brown, the Bengals coach just said that about Chase 1821 01:25:55,480 --> 01:26:00,200 Brown. Yeah, but like, I think at like 1822 01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:01,880 it's just. And I'm not saying, I'm not 1823 01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:06,120 saying I have any opinion on what college football running 1824 01:26:06,120 --> 01:26:08,800 backs go to pass blocking. I literally am only able to 1825 01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:13,760 interpret data provided for me in number form like and and so 1826 01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:15,880 that stuff is just not going to translate that well. 1827 01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:19,120 I probably wouldn't be like as in unnerving if he was a little 1828 01:26:19,120 --> 01:26:20,680 more expensive. Part of it's like he's super 1829 01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:22,400 cheap. And then and then there's no 1830 01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:24,680 competition for RB2. I don't think Chase Edmonds or 1831 01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:26,800 Sean Tucker's really going to contend with him for RB2. 1832 01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:29,920 We learned that last year. So it's like he's gonna probably 1833 01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:31,680 pretty clearly. Remember that week where 1834 01:26:31,680 --> 01:26:34,320 everyone wants to stand? Alone like secondary back. 1835 01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:36,880 I think so. Round 16 price, I mean, it's 1836 01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:38,160 crazy. I know it. 1837 01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:40,000 It should probably take a little bit more, while I should 1838 01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:42,800 probably get my 2% sheet on. I think I think the 2% sheet is 1839 01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:45,520 worn it on white and I hope he falls more like it would be nice 1840 01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:49,280 to just like I wish he was in that Aaron Jones group, but like 1841 01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:52,840 I don't know, like Aaron Jones versus Rashad White, like give 1842 01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:54,440 me. Aaron Jones much better in 1843 01:26:54,440 --> 01:26:56,440 football, yeah. He's way better. 1844 01:26:56,560 --> 01:27:00,480 I know he's old, but like he's been the last time we saw him he 1845 01:27:00,480 --> 01:27:05,360 looked awesome. Yeah, scored three TDs in the 1846 01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:08,840 playoffs in that. Playoff game, Brian, new to the 1847 01:27:08,840 --> 01:27:11,800 show, first time watching ADP, chasing all of these broad, 1848 01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:13,720 unjustifiably absolutist takes in June. 1849 01:27:13,720 --> 01:27:15,760 That's what we do here, buddy. Yeah, this. 1850 01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:18,400 Is this? Unquestionably the worst comment 1851 01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:19,640 I've ever seen on any live stream. 1852 01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:26,760 Brian, that is Impunis 4. All right, Kyron. 1853 01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:31,880 Kyron is Kyron and a Jane. You want to talk about something 1854 01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:34,680 cozy? Just being able to slip on my 1855 01:27:34,680 --> 01:27:39,560 cozy hotel Terry cloth robe of a third round a Jane Kyron. 1856 01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:41,200 I mean you can. Oh, it is nice. 1857 01:27:41,440 --> 01:27:44,360 It is very nice. Two of the best wide receivers 1858 01:27:44,360 --> 01:27:48,480 in the world and still take one of the guy. 1859 01:27:48,480 --> 01:27:52,040 Like take a guy who can conceivably finish with the most 1860 01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:53,960 points at running back. I mean, it is. 1861 01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:56,760 It is beautiful. I love fantasy football. 1862 01:27:56,760 --> 01:27:59,720 I love underdog. I love that this is the life 1863 01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:01,480 that we're living. It's great. 1864 01:28:01,480 --> 01:28:04,280 It's just a wonderful thing. Third round, a Chan. 1865 01:28:04,480 --> 01:28:07,960 I mean, it's beautiful. It's just a beautiful thing. 1866 01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:09,560 Thank you. Where did a Chan cover? 1867 01:28:10,120 --> 01:28:12,880 Because. Because of Kyron's price is why. 1868 01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:16,200 Because, because, because he and Kyron, he and Kyron are like the 1869 01:28:16,200 --> 01:28:18,920 tent poles of my of my year, basically. 1870 01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:21,240 Like if these guys are bad, I'm going to have a bad time. 1871 01:28:22,360 --> 01:28:24,400 I agree. I mean, I'm I'm in the same 1872 01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:27,360 position. I've taken a lot of those two 1873 01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:29,400 dudes as well. They're really nicely priced. 1874 01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:31,880 Yeah, I'm not. I'm not hammering Kyron as much 1875 01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:33,960 'cause I'm just like at that point I'm already worried about 1876 01:28:33,960 --> 01:28:38,760 getting behind a wide receiver and I'm more likely on the back 1877 01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:41,640 end of the board to have taken a Gibbs or to have taken a briefs 1878 01:28:41,640 --> 01:28:46,280 or something like that. So, but man, HN on the front 1879 01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:48,280 half of the board, I've usually got two receivers. 1880 01:28:48,280 --> 01:28:50,560 So easy. The way it lines up, it's so, so 1881 01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:51,760 easy to start receiver receiver on. 1882 01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:55,000 Front there's just no world where Kyron and HN belong in the 1883 01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:56,360 third round. We were just talking about like 1884 01:28:56,360 --> 01:28:58,360 concerns about like Ayuk, but also concerns about Devante 1885 01:28:58,360 --> 01:29:00,320 Adams and a lot of those late 2nd receivers. 1886 01:29:00,360 --> 01:29:03,640 I think definitely should be going out with those guys, even 1887 01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:06,360 though it's like structurally difficult anyway. 1888 01:29:06,360 --> 01:29:10,840 I, I love the situation that I pat, I know you've made the case 1889 01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:13,160 for the legendary downside on Kyron, but like we make these 1890 01:29:13,160 --> 01:29:15,520 picks knowing that there's downside on a lot of guys. 1891 01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:20,400 I, I, I. That strikes me as a he it. 1892 01:29:21,240 --> 01:29:24,480 Was it was legendary downside when he was 16th overall? 1893 01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:27,400 I I think the legendary downside is is minimized. 1894 01:29:27,480 --> 01:29:30,000 In the third, in the late third round, it's definitely 1895 01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:31,960 minimized. And there's still upside. 1896 01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:33,840 So like, the point is that when you make these picks with 1897 01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:36,320 running backs early, the whole idea of legendary upside is, is 1898 01:29:36,320 --> 01:29:40,200 there enough upside to justify the investment in a running back 1899 01:29:40,200 --> 01:29:42,560 pick in the early part? And there is with Kyron 1900 01:29:42,560 --> 01:29:46,200 Williams, his, you know, points per game scoring last year was 1901 01:29:46,200 --> 01:29:49,160 phenomenal. I don't think Quorum is like an 1902 01:29:49,160 --> 01:29:51,680 immediate threat to that. He wasn't super efficient last 1903 01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:54,440 year. He lost a lot of his like, you 1904 01:29:54,440 --> 01:29:56,640 know, his missed tackles, force per touch, all that stuff was 1905 01:29:56,640 --> 01:29:59,480 really good as a younger player got a lot weaker as he got 1906 01:29:59,480 --> 01:30:01,880 older. He might not just pick up 1907 01:30:01,880 --> 01:30:04,240 everything as quickly as as everyone's assuming. 1908 01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:07,160 There's a lot of scenarios where Kyron's still just the lead guy 1909 01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:10,400 and and then a very similar role and Blake, Quorum's basically a 1910 01:30:10,400 --> 01:30:12,400 straight up backup. And those are the scenarios 1911 01:30:12,400 --> 01:30:16,200 where you win when you take a guy who was number 2IN in 1912 01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:19,120 fantasy points per game last year by a lot, well ahead of 1913 01:30:19,120 --> 01:30:21,560 Raheem Monster, who led the NFL in touchdowns, 21 touchdowns. 1914 01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:22,960 He was three points per game better. 1915 01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:25,720 I mean, he's only behind McCaffrey. 1916 01:30:25,720 --> 01:30:28,600 He was closer to McCaffrey than any other back was to him in in 1917 01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:30,400 half PPR points per game last year. 1918 01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:32,640 And you're just getting him in the third round in his, you 1919 01:30:32,680 --> 01:30:34,640 know, third season after his breakout year. 1920 01:30:35,200 --> 01:30:37,240 Yeah, so I was looking at his stuff. 1921 01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:39,960 I wrote this article looking at the early round running backs 1922 01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:43,320 and he had 0.63 yards per outrun last year. 1923 01:30:43,320 --> 01:30:45,800 So you're like, all right, you're betting on workhorse 1924 01:30:45,800 --> 01:30:48,640 usage and rushing efficiency, but his rushing efficiency was 1925 01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:51,120 really good. RV5 and rush yards over expected 1926 01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:53,880 at 146. He had a 42% success rate, which 1927 01:30:53,880 --> 01:30:57,120 is really good. So you're a little bit worried 1928 01:30:57,120 --> 01:30:59,560 maybe about, you know what quorum comes in and does. 1929 01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:01,960 But like he was he was really good. 1930 01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:05,240 He was really good as a runner. He is a bit more of A2 down 1931 01:31:05,240 --> 01:31:07,440 profile. It is kind of classically 1932 01:31:07,440 --> 01:31:10,480 fragile in that sense of like they they added a rookie. 1933 01:31:10,920 --> 01:31:13,960 He doesn't have pedigree. He doesn't really have the 1934 01:31:13,960 --> 01:31:17,240 receiving efficiency. You're so it's like it's kind of 1935 01:31:17,240 --> 01:31:20,360 like workhorse usage touchdowns, the rushing efficiency staying 1936 01:31:20,360 --> 01:31:22,200 there. But like, you know, the 1937 01:31:22,200 --> 01:31:26,040 legendary upside concept is, was supposed to be about guys in the 1938 01:31:26,040 --> 01:31:28,880 top two rounds because that's like where the opportunity cost 1939 01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:31,320 was so high when you're talking about him in the third round and 1940 01:31:31,320 --> 01:31:36,080 it's like him versus, you know, I'm you're already to like T 1941 01:31:36,080 --> 01:31:40,120 Higgins, you know, at wide receiver, you're it's just the 1942 01:31:40,120 --> 01:31:43,480 opportunity cost is, is a lot lower than we're used to. 1943 01:31:43,480 --> 01:31:46,840 I've I've tried it to get, I was really low on him when he was in 1944 01:31:46,840 --> 01:31:48,800 like the early 3rd and late second. 1945 01:31:50,520 --> 01:31:52,040 I've. I had, I had, I've gotten a lot 1946 01:31:52,040 --> 01:31:53,200 more. He was gonna be my biggest. 1947 01:31:53,400 --> 01:31:55,880 He was gonna be my biggest fate of the year at the running back 1948 01:31:55,880 --> 01:31:57,760 six or whatever. Like, I was gonna just have 1949 01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:01,000 like, like straight, yeah. You couldn't take him there, but 1950 01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:03,200 at this I'm. Still underweight, but I'm, I, I 1951 01:32:03,200 --> 01:32:06,160 got from 1% to 4% already and I'm I'm continuing to move up 1952 01:32:06,400 --> 01:32:07,840 so. Everything you said about his 1953 01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:10,920 individual profile I understand and and accept and appreciate, 1954 01:32:10,920 --> 01:32:13,480 but part of his upside is just the situation. 1955 01:32:13,480 --> 01:32:16,120 It's the Rams, it's McVeigh, it's that they don't substitute 1956 01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:18,160 right because they don't want the team to match the opponent 1957 01:32:18,160 --> 01:32:20,840 team to match. They might use quorum a decent 1958 01:32:20,840 --> 01:32:22,600 amount. They might never substitute. 1959 01:32:22,640 --> 01:32:25,440 They might, he might still get, they talked about not as you 1960 01:32:25,440 --> 01:32:28,680 know, high of snap shares, but Kyron Williams bull case last 1961 01:32:28,680 --> 01:32:29,920 year. Part of it wasn't just whether 1962 01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:31,600 he was efficient as a runner, efficient as a receiver. 1963 01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:34,720 It was that he was playing 90% of the snaps, 80% of the snaps. 1964 01:32:35,240 --> 01:32:37,400 So few running backs that play that much. 1965 01:32:37,400 --> 01:32:41,360 He might come down and still be one of the top five ish running 1966 01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:43,440 backs and and and snap percentage right. 1967 01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:46,000 And then you're in an offense that uses the backs in the red 1968 01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:48,400 zone a ton. Todd Gurley was elite for that 1969 01:32:48,400 --> 01:32:50,080 reason. CJ Anderson, though, stepped in 1970 01:32:50,080 --> 01:32:53,880 and was elite for that reason. Cam Akers had stretches of of 1971 01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:57,040 elite usage and Kyron Williams had that last year. 1972 01:32:57,040 --> 01:33:00,280 He had the like the high value touches, right, even without a 1973 01:33:00,280 --> 01:33:02,320 ton of rushing or I mean receiving. 1974 01:33:02,320 --> 01:33:05,240 He had the goal line work, the Green Zone touches to go with 1975 01:33:05,240 --> 01:33:07,360 it. They keep their back on the 1976 01:33:07,360 --> 01:33:08,760 field. Whoever is on the field, he can 1977 01:33:08,760 --> 01:33:13,480 score so many T VS potentially. That's what you know Gurley did 1978 01:33:13,480 --> 01:33:15,960 in his prime and some of those other guys in the stretches of 1979 01:33:15,960 --> 01:33:17,760 of heavy usage in the Rams offense. 1980 01:33:18,200 --> 01:33:20,920 So I like, I'm, I'm less concerned about whether Kyron is 1981 01:33:20,920 --> 01:33:24,400 an elite talent and more concerned about missing out on 1982 01:33:25,240 --> 01:33:28,680 an offence that has been so, so valuable for its lead back over 1983 01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:30,640 the last like 5-6 years with McVeigh. 1984 01:33:31,880 --> 01:33:34,040 I mean, it's just and I, I also think I should be taking more 1985 01:33:34,040 --> 01:33:37,400 quorum as a handcuff, frankly. Yeah, I'm, I'm trying to take 1986 01:33:37,400 --> 01:33:39,520 more Quorum too. I'm trying to take more of both. 1987 01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:43,120 Yeah, I would say I would recommend at least a blanket on 1988 01:33:43,120 --> 01:33:44,520 Kyron. You don't want to go, you don't 1989 01:33:44,520 --> 01:33:45,920 want to go cheat. You definitely want to don't 1990 01:33:45,920 --> 01:33:48,920 want to go beach towel blankets blankets or or warmer. 1991 01:33:48,920 --> 01:33:52,920 Quorum Quorum is getting Quorum is getting pricey for a guy 1992 01:33:52,920 --> 01:33:59,120 who's got no or or paths where he's got at absolutely no stand 1993 01:33:59,120 --> 01:34:03,600 alone value like the running back 35 for a guy who might play 1994 01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:08,160 15 snaps a game or something like it's pretty expensive. 1995 01:34:08,280 --> 01:34:10,440 It's like what Chardonnay was last year, you know? 1996 01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:14,480 It's a it's a Alexander Madison when we used to like it, right? 1997 01:34:14,560 --> 01:34:17,760 It's, it's the, it's the, it's the contingent value play. 1998 01:34:17,760 --> 01:34:19,480 But like, oh man, Can you imagine? 1999 01:34:19,760 --> 01:34:21,480 Can you imagine how good it's going to hit if it hits? 2000 01:34:23,280 --> 01:34:25,080 Yeah. And I mean, like, look, there 2001 01:34:25,080 --> 01:34:29,080 are totally scenarios in which Kyron totally bus and Quorum is 2002 01:34:29,080 --> 01:34:33,600 the guy like Cam Akers, Daryl Henderson, we've all done this 2003 01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:37,520 before, but Kyron was at least a lot better than those guys, so. 2004 01:34:37,920 --> 01:34:39,920 I'm looking at now I actually have 15% Kyron. 2005 01:34:39,920 --> 01:34:43,040 He's my highest exposure early round running back. 2006 01:34:43,480 --> 01:34:46,000 Yeah, 'cause he's just, it's just you're, you're sitting on 2007 01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:48,040 the clock and you're like, I don't know, what do I do? 2008 01:34:48,040 --> 01:34:54,480 Mike Evans or Kyron, and you just take Kyron, all right? 2009 01:34:55,040 --> 01:34:58,080 Do we or do we cover it at all? That's that's all of our. 2010 01:34:58,080 --> 01:35:02,280 Slides we have any other. OK, well Gretch, no one 2011 01:35:02,320 --> 01:35:05,120 adequately prepared you for this, so I will let you, I will 2012 01:35:05,120 --> 01:35:09,400 let you go last. But we do the game where we pick 2013 01:35:09,400 --> 01:35:14,080 our favorite guy, we try and get as much CLV it's possible. 2014 01:35:15,960 --> 01:35:18,040 I already know I mean. Crane, Crane, or. 2015 01:35:18,080 --> 01:35:21,800 Go first 'cause I I never pick one and I pick one during the. 2016 01:35:22,040 --> 01:35:25,080 The guy that I'm taking in the last round of every single draft 2017 01:35:25,080 --> 01:35:27,600 right now as my drafts get to the last round is Odric Estimate 2018 01:35:27,600 --> 01:35:31,640 and he's gonna rise, absolutely. I took I took him last week. 2019 01:35:32,840 --> 01:35:34,240 He has. You took him last week. 2020 01:35:34,440 --> 01:35:35,400 Oh, he. He missed. 2021 01:35:35,800 --> 01:35:37,920 He missed the whole early part with a knee scope. 2022 01:35:38,440 --> 01:35:42,560 Right, but he's like he's the only back other back who has 2023 01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:44,320 size. The beats are saying that he's 2024 01:35:44,320 --> 01:35:48,080 going to play alongside Javonte. The Jalil McLaughlin stuff is 2025 01:35:48,080 --> 01:35:51,480 like, yeah, the 185 LB back looks good in in the practices 2026 01:35:51,480 --> 01:35:53,840 where you don't have pads on. Like once the pads get on, it's 2027 01:35:53,840 --> 01:35:56,200 going to be clear that the two backs that actually have size. 2028 01:35:56,400 --> 01:35:58,800 Well, and P Ryan has size too, but especially if P Ryan gets 2029 01:35:58,800 --> 01:36:01,720 cut and estimates going in the last, I get him in the last 2030 01:36:01,720 --> 01:36:05,320 round every single time. And they throw to their backs at 2031 01:36:05,400 --> 01:36:07,720 if he catches, if he's able to catch any passes out of the 2032 01:36:07,720 --> 01:36:09,120 backfield. But I think he has stand alone 2033 01:36:09,120 --> 01:36:11,680 value right out of the gate. They also use a committee. 2034 01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:14,160 You can't get 18th round backs that have like pretty clear 2035 01:36:14,160 --> 01:36:17,400 stand alone value. I think he probably does. 2036 01:36:18,760 --> 01:36:22,000 The other one that I've been taking a lot of the Davis you've 2037 01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:23,480 probably named before is Greg Dorch. 2038 01:36:23,480 --> 01:36:24,960 She's starting to get all this great hype. 2039 01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:27,840 And like when I take Kyler teams, I would rather stack it 2040 01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:30,360 with Dorch behind Michael Wilson and Zay Jones. 2041 01:36:30,360 --> 01:36:33,760 Who? That's a camp battle I. 2042 01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:37,440 Mean people people are unaware that Greg Dorch is just going to 2043 01:36:37,440 --> 01:36:39,880 straight up score more points than Michael Wilson and 2044 01:36:39,880 --> 01:36:42,320 honestly, more power to him for draft of Michael Wilson. 2045 01:36:42,320 --> 01:36:44,040 I get it. You want to back stack Kyler. 2046 01:36:44,040 --> 01:36:47,320 It's a it's a nice that's a that's a cozy thing is like 2047 01:36:47,320 --> 01:36:50,000 you're kind of in the you're in the dead zone of dead zones when 2048 01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:52,320 Kyler's Kyler falls 6 pots past 80. 2049 01:36:52,320 --> 01:36:54,160 But you know what? I'll take Kyler, I'll do a back 2050 01:36:54,160 --> 01:36:56,200 stack. You take you take Zay Jones, you 2051 01:36:56,200 --> 01:36:58,880 take Michael Wilson, you take Greg Dorch, and you're feeling 2052 01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:04,080 cozy as hell. All right, Crane, do you want to 2053 01:37:04,080 --> 01:37:05,680 go? I I've got a, I've got a really 2054 01:37:05,680 --> 01:37:07,400 good one, I think do. It. 2055 01:37:07,880 --> 01:37:10,560 Travis Kelsey, I mean, just, let's just be real about it. 2056 01:37:10,560 --> 01:37:13,640 Travis Kelsey is going to end up being a 2-3 turn pick the way 2057 01:37:13,640 --> 01:37:16,200 that he is on draftkings.com right now. 2058 01:37:16,200 --> 01:37:18,360 I mean, it's not even, it's already, it's already, it's 2059 01:37:18,360 --> 01:37:20,200 already happening. There the way to win this game 2060 01:37:20,240 --> 01:37:21,960 is just go check the DraftKings ADP. 2061 01:37:24,920 --> 01:37:27,040 Yeah. I mean, look, it's, it's just 2062 01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:31,600 that I believe, I mean the content sites are going to get 2063 01:37:31,600 --> 01:37:34,560 there eventually. I I don't know where where ETR 2064 01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:37,960 and Pat where you have them and stuff, but the content sites are 2065 01:37:37,960 --> 01:37:39,120 going to get there. Themselves. 2066 01:37:39,360 --> 01:37:44,560 We've been in and we remain in. Yeah, so it's it's happening. 2067 01:37:44,640 --> 01:37:49,680 We we are we are going to have we are going to have 2-3 turn 2068 01:37:49,680 --> 01:37:53,360 Travis, Kelsey it just that's the way the projections have it 2069 01:37:53,560 --> 01:37:56,480 like it. I actually think the only reason 2070 01:37:56,480 --> 01:38:01,120 why he is the tight end two right now is because he randomly 2071 01:38:01,120 --> 01:38:04,360 hurt his ankle last year and it made him play really bad for six 2072 01:38:04,360 --> 01:38:08,760 weeks. Yeah, I mean, he and he was 2073 01:38:08,760 --> 01:38:11,120 awesome in the playoffs, but that doesn't count because they 2074 01:38:11,120 --> 01:38:12,520 were saving him down the stretch, which they're 2075 01:38:12,520 --> 01:38:14,520 definitely going to do again because football's extremely 2076 01:38:14,520 --> 01:38:20,720 predictable, obviously. Yeah, I know the the Travis 2077 01:38:20,720 --> 01:38:25,160 Kelsey, he's been he's been he's he's my highest drafted tight 2078 01:38:25,160 --> 01:38:28,880 end and one of my highest drafted players arrived looks 2079 01:38:28,880 --> 01:38:33,240 like 123456, seventh seventh highest overall, highest drafted 2080 01:38:33,240 --> 01:38:34,680 tight end, basically tied with Mark Andrews. 2081 01:38:37,120 --> 01:38:42,280 All right, I will say all right, there was, there was, let's see, 2082 01:38:42,280 --> 01:38:47,960 123456 running backs with at least 140 rush yards over 2083 01:38:47,960 --> 01:38:51,040 expected last year. They were Christian McCaffrey, 2084 01:38:51,320 --> 01:38:57,400 Devon A Chan, Jalen Warren, Bruce Hall, Kyron Williams, and. 2085 01:38:58,080 --> 01:38:59,880 Samir White. James Connor. 2086 01:39:00,880 --> 01:39:03,480 James Connor. I know this is well, here's the 2087 01:39:03,480 --> 01:39:06,480 deal. You're right that he's a good 2088 01:39:06,480 --> 01:39:09,200 pick, but you're so wrong that he's going to go higher because 2089 01:39:09,200 --> 01:39:10,920 it's not what underdog drafters do. 2090 01:39:11,440 --> 01:39:14,320 That's right, it's not what these underdog drafters do, but 2091 01:39:14,320 --> 01:39:17,680 it when we come into August and it's James Connor's the starter 2092 01:39:18,320 --> 01:39:20,360 rested with the starters during pre season. 2093 01:39:21,240 --> 01:39:23,280 Trey Benson not looking all that great. 2094 01:39:23,280 --> 01:39:25,800 Trey Benson still got work to do Trey Benson not going to push 2095 01:39:25,800 --> 01:39:28,600 for the week one starting job. Oh my God, disaster. 2096 01:39:28,640 --> 01:39:30,760 We can't be drafting him. That's where we're going to 2097 01:39:30,880 --> 01:39:33,560 we're going to that's the August drum beat on this stuff. 2098 01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:36,920 James Conner from everything we're hearing so far is the 2099 01:39:36,920 --> 01:39:39,520 clear cut starter entering the season. 2100 01:39:39,520 --> 01:39:42,160 That's not everything, but he's going in the 90s. 2101 01:39:42,720 --> 01:39:46,040 So it's something and so I think he's a pretty strong pick right 2102 01:39:46,040 --> 01:39:48,320 now. And I I don't anticipate that 2103 01:39:48,400 --> 01:39:51,040 late August drafters will just let us get the Cardinals clear 2104 01:39:51,040 --> 01:39:52,360 cut. Starting running back in the in 2105 01:39:52,360 --> 01:39:55,360 the 90s. I think you're gonna If he went 2106 01:39:55,360 --> 01:39:58,040 in the sixth round, would we be shocked in late August? 2107 01:39:59,600 --> 01:40:01,840 I don't think we would, but I think Davis is right that people 2108 01:40:01,840 --> 01:40:04,480 aren't gonna rise him up. And I think that makes him the 2109 01:40:04,480 --> 01:40:07,680 closest thing to here's Josh Jacobs from two years ago that 2110 01:40:07,680 --> 01:40:09,640 you can kind of get like, he was really good last. 2111 01:40:09,640 --> 01:40:12,520 Year he was really good. You know the the hard thing is 2112 01:40:12,520 --> 01:40:13,760 though. I like taking James Connor. 2113 01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:16,160 I'm getting really into it, but I think he's gonna stay cheap. 2114 01:40:16,520 --> 01:40:18,520 It's the right pick. And then you're like, I just got 2115 01:40:18,520 --> 01:40:21,120 all these bags of a 29 year old running back and you're like, 2116 01:40:21,120 --> 01:40:23,760 well, if I lose, I deserve to lose, you know, like, yeah. 2117 01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:26,600 I had that last year with Raheem Mostert and it worked out really 2118 01:40:26,600 --> 01:40:28,720 great. I was really glad to have big 2119 01:40:28,720 --> 01:40:31,440 bags of Raheem Mostert. Sometimes that people are just 2120 01:40:31,440 --> 01:40:34,440 like predicting injury way too heavily. 2121 01:40:34,440 --> 01:40:36,080 That was the case for most of last year. 2122 01:40:36,520 --> 01:40:37,440 I think that's the case for Connor. 2123 01:40:37,440 --> 01:40:38,960 I think everyone just thinks he's going to be. 2124 01:40:39,080 --> 01:40:41,680 Well, you know, you pull, you pull the marble out of the jar 2125 01:40:41,680 --> 01:40:43,760 until you get the black one, and then once you get the black one, 2126 01:40:43,760 --> 01:40:45,240 there's no, there's no coming back. 2127 01:40:45,560 --> 01:40:47,800 Every other time you get the other good colors, you're 2128 01:40:47,800 --> 01:40:50,720 winning. Yeah, you need a discount. 2129 01:40:50,760 --> 01:40:52,000 You need a discount to reflect a. 2130 01:40:52,080 --> 01:40:53,920 Discount we're getting the marble we're. 2131 01:40:54,120 --> 01:40:56,800 Getting the discount like James Conner is one of the clearest 2132 01:40:56,800 --> 01:40:58,640 cases where we're getting the discount on age. 2133 01:40:58,640 --> 01:41:00,240 Like he was really good last year. 2134 01:41:00,400 --> 01:41:01,800 He's in an offense we're excited about. 2135 01:41:01,800 --> 01:41:04,880 They draft a third round rookie, but all indications are he's 2136 01:41:04,880 --> 01:41:06,760 still the starter. Maybe he loses work down the 2137 01:41:06,760 --> 01:41:09,720 stretch, like he could end up being kind of a bad pick because 2138 01:41:09,720 --> 01:41:12,040 he ends up getting displaced down the stretch by Benson. 2139 01:41:12,760 --> 01:41:15,520 But he just strikes me as an archetype that like even last 2140 01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:18,320 year, like Alex Alexander Madison's set up or James 2141 01:41:18,320 --> 01:41:20,400 Conner's set up, Which one's better? 2142 01:41:20,720 --> 01:41:22,560 Like dude, he's such an easy pick. 2143 01:41:22,640 --> 01:41:24,360 To your point about he could be a bad pick down the stretch, 2144 01:41:24,360 --> 01:41:26,000 he's such an easy pick in like the marathon. 2145 01:41:26,280 --> 01:41:28,320 Even the eliminator to me. I understand it can be a 2146 01:41:28,320 --> 01:41:30,080 problem. Late, but I just wrote up a 2147 01:41:30,080 --> 01:41:32,840 second piece on that recently in the sub stack, dude. 2148 01:41:33,040 --> 01:41:35,920 Like some of the the numbers like only 9% of the field are 2149 01:41:35,920 --> 01:41:38,120 still existing in week nine. I just pulled this up. 2150 01:41:38,120 --> 01:41:41,120 I have it for every every chart, but as you enter like the middle 2151 01:41:41,120 --> 01:41:44,120 of the year of the year, week eight, week nine, you're down to 2152 01:41:44,120 --> 01:41:47,320 like 10% of the remaining team. So you need to score early. 2153 01:41:47,320 --> 01:41:50,080 I know a lot of this stuff is like you, you need to score late 2154 01:41:50,080 --> 01:41:51,720 too because the pods get tougher. 2155 01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:54,080 But like James Conner's a helpful play in that type of a 2156 01:41:54,080 --> 01:41:57,600 format too, like because he could then just also be good the 2157 01:41:57,600 --> 01:41:59,560 whole year. Like to your point, the downside 2158 01:41:59,560 --> 01:42:01,560 is that he's not, it's not back way to production, but 2159 01:42:01,560 --> 01:42:03,960 especially the marathon. My God, he's going to be a smash 2160 01:42:03,960 --> 01:42:08,600 in the marathon. I guess that's a good point. 2161 01:42:08,800 --> 01:42:12,080 Yeah, Marathon that. Was a that's fair, Davis wanted 2162 01:42:12,080 --> 01:42:12,920 to say. That's fair. 2163 01:42:13,280 --> 01:42:14,880 That I guess that was a good point. 2164 01:42:15,600 --> 01:42:17,120 Which is a non derogatory. That's fair. 2165 01:42:17,320 --> 01:42:19,160 That's fair. James Conner. 2166 01:42:19,360 --> 01:42:22,080 James Conner is a marathon ass pick. 2167 01:42:22,520 --> 01:42:24,800 He's also a great zero or B pick for those reasons. 2168 01:42:24,800 --> 01:42:27,560 If he's just even if he doesn't produce late, if he's if he's an 2169 01:42:27,560 --> 01:42:30,480 advance rate guy and then your others, you know, Audrick 2170 01:42:30,480 --> 01:42:32,400 estimate hits late. By the way, some of the chat 2171 01:42:32,400 --> 01:42:34,880 said was there any Audrick estimates good notes there? 2172 01:42:34,880 --> 01:42:36,800 And I was looking some up really good. 2173 01:42:36,800 --> 01:42:39,960 Not really good like great elite, but very strong missed 2174 01:42:39,960 --> 01:42:44,320 tackles, force per touch numbers and really good actually close 2175 01:42:44,320 --> 01:42:47,000 to elite explosion numbers, vertical and broad. 2176 01:42:47,240 --> 01:42:50,760 Honestly he's was like pretty good in college but had a shitty 2177 01:42:50,760 --> 01:42:53,640 combine so. He didn't have that shitty of 2178 01:42:53,640 --> 01:42:55,560 one. He he ran a slow 40, but he had 2179 01:42:55,560 --> 01:42:57,240 good explosion numbers. Yeah. 2180 01:42:57,640 --> 01:42:59,960 Yeah. All right, Crane, let's get out 2181 01:42:59,960 --> 01:43:02,200 of here. Greg, you go first. 2182 01:43:02,360 --> 01:43:05,680 Tell the people stealing signals what what they can get, where 2183 01:43:05,680 --> 01:43:08,200 they can get it. Yeah, Stealing Signals 2184 01:43:08,200 --> 01:43:10,760 newsletter, Ben Greshot sub stock.com, Stealing Signals 2185 01:43:10,760 --> 01:43:13,240 YouTube at Stealing Signals on YouTube. 2186 01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:16,520 Go subscribe to that. Just been building that up 2187 01:43:16,520 --> 01:43:21,440 recently and stealing Bananas podcast with Sean Siegel. 2188 01:43:21,440 --> 01:43:25,040 Ship chasing on the regular channel or the on this same 2189 01:43:25,040 --> 01:43:28,560 channel on the regular. What do we call that? 2190 01:43:28,560 --> 01:43:33,040 Pat the ship chasing the Thursday show. 2191 01:43:33,040 --> 01:43:34,440 Yeah, I know like relative taste. 2192 01:43:36,400 --> 01:43:38,040 What what are they? 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Not not a big one, but you know, 2208 01:44:32,600 --> 01:44:36,040 you get a little behind those kind of correlated team bets as 2209 01:44:36,120 --> 01:44:38,000 as being ways to help dig yourself out a little bit. 2210 01:44:38,720 --> 01:44:40,600 So highly, highly recommend that article. 2211 01:44:40,840 --> 01:44:42,720 Some good content from Sacrilegious coming up on the 2212 01:44:42,720 --> 01:44:46,760 site and I mentioned if you haven't checked out my article 2213 01:44:46,760 --> 01:44:50,480 on the the running back landscape, I'm planning to do a 2214 01:44:50,480 --> 01:44:52,360 follow up on on that. But the first part looking at 2215 01:44:52,360 --> 01:44:54,840 the earlier on running backs also up on the site. 2216 01:44:55,840 --> 01:44:59,400 There we go everyone, thank you very much for for listening and 2217 01:44:59,400 --> 01:45:02,520 watching to ADP chasing ship chasing will be back on 2218 01:45:02,960 --> 01:45:04,640 Thursday. I will. 2219 01:45:04,800 --> 01:45:06,800 We'll see you back next Monday later. 2220 01:45:12,120 --> 01:45:13,720 I got to end it, no? All right, it's. 2221 01:45:14,480 --> 01:45:14,880 Been real.