Good morning. Welcome.
ADP chasing. I'm Mike Shope.
Our heroes Davis Matic and Pat Karine will join me momentarily.
A very newsy ADP chasing with all going on in the so-called
legal tampering period. DK Metcalf to Pittsburgh,
Devante Adams to the Rams. We already had Debo, we've got
Gino Smith traded and a pretty good chance as we get going here
just before noon on Monday the 10th of March that there will be
news during the show. We'll have to figure out how
we're going to break that news as we as we talk.
But a lot to figure out what is everything meaning to drafts
with Patton Davis. I'm Mike.
Welcome ADP chasing March 10th, 2025.
ADP chasing is for When you watch ship chasing, you go.
These guys are just football guys and the.
Targets for outrun leagues. That's going to be really nice,
actually. Back in, if it's Austinette,
it's. Here to our crystal ball. close
your eyes. You know all your entries are
going to lose anyway. Yeah, that's fair.
This is a Deuce Von show. It's.
Anti cabal. It's anti the best ball thought
leader. I'm obviously lying to some
degree because like, I have a lot of both of these guys.
It's the most disgusting thing you can make.
But ma'am. Just thinking, if I if I said
something like if I'm the new Darren, would that be a
reference either of you would get?
No Bewitched Darren come home from school.
You watch syndicated shows you don't realize are actually from
your past, but it's you know, it's what's on.
And so in the middle of the series, Bewitched the the 1st
Darren, I think he he broke his neck or something.
The actor's name was Dick York and they just replaced him with
a different guy who's whose name was also Dick, Dick Sargent.
And just like kept the character moving and it's just a different
guy. It's the husband, the husband of
the. Yeah, the titular bewitched the
mortal. Yes.
Yes, the non. So I mean, Nick at night, Nick
at night, that's my, my generation.
We had, we had Nick at Night, which was just a bunch of old
sitcoms from, you know, the, the syndicated sitcoms.
They, they did that in Fresh Prince of Bel Air, right?
The mom is a different actress, isn't that, isn't that right?
Will's mother, is that right? I, I, I, I don't remember that.
The most recent example I've got is in Twin Peaks Fire Walk with
Me. Donna Hayward is not played by
Laura Flynn Boyle in the movie. She's played by a different
actress, which is Aunt Viv. Aunt Viv?
Yeah, is is played by a different woman, I believe.
Well, I'm jumping into Twin Peaks.
I'm you're relatively new guy. Well, we're not friends anymore.
I've actually. Been in its wheels a little bit.
I've changed my whole personality over the last like
15 to 16 days. I'm now the guy who I'm just
like, oh dude, you've never seen Twin Peaks.
You got to shut down everything in your life.
I've watched a couple episodes. It just, I'm like, does it know
what it's doing? Twin Peaks always struck me
like, they're like, this is a real mystery, huh?
And you're like, it is like, I can't wait to find out what
happens. And they're like us, too.
Like. What are you?
Are you a David Lynch guy? Do you like like, do you like
Mulholland Drive? I've never seen Mulholland
drive. OK, so I'd never seen anything.
David Lynch. Mr. Pat Mayo had me watch
Mulholland Drive. I've heard good things about
Mulholland Dr. I, I should watch that.
Yeah. Severance.
Severance is the new. Well, Severance, I feel like I
love Severance, but I feel like it knows what it's doing and
where it's going and it like mapped out a plan ahead of time.
That's my hope. Well, isn't it interesting?
Like I'm listening to the Severance podcast with Ben
Stiller and Adam Scott and I, I always find it interesting, like
does what does the, what is the writer's plan like Lost?
I was into lost. Oh yeah, lost.
I didn't. Lost.
Lost me. And they didn't.
They made it up as they went well.
You're trying to get renewed. I mean, there have been there it
is that's that's proof that's proof of interest and loss.
I mean that that that that that qualifies.
But you're writing a show and you don't know.
They talk about this on the Severance podcast like you write
it, but is it going to make it? And you don't want it to die on
the vine and have it end. And then so you I don't know how
you figure out what your end point is.
And lost was so popular. They went seven seasons in the
middle. I think was a was a mess.
And those were big long seasons. That's that's network TV
supposed. To be Four Seasons, yeah,
really, it was. So it was only supposed to be
Four Seasons and it was so big, I mean.
Yeah, exactly. Cannot even think of how like
five times as big as Game of Thrones was, however big do you
think Game of Thrones was? It was.
It was the first, it was one of
the first Internet shows, but in a in a era where we still had
monoculture. Right, it was right.
It was one of the last shows that you had to wait for.
Right, right. But you have the Internet
theorizing. So it was huge.
It was like a, it was a, it was a crossover between two eras.
It was like, it was like as if there was a, a podcast network
for like MASH or something, you know, like it was, it was so
big. Everyone had Yeah, the first.
Podcast is just a MASH recap show.
So everyone. There should be one.
It should be 1. It was locked in.
Lost was and and I I mean just on lost, like I actually
appreciate the ending in the sixth season.
Everyone says the six. I mean, compared to Game of
Thrones, it's like. I just stopped.
I just stopped watching, to be honest.
I I there was a still wanted to were the scientists like kind of
there was like, remember that like the scientist guy, I forget
how he even got on the island, but he was like he's maybe he
was like doing all sorts of experiments.
Someone more obscure, probably. Yeah, He's like.
Already. Yeah, So he, he, I don't know,
there's this whole episode where they basically were like trying
to like figure out, yeah, yeah, that that rings a bell.
They're trying to like, figure out like what's going on with
the island. And I just remember, like my
college roommate, we like sat down.
We're like, OK, like what could this island be like what's.
And we're like, but that conflicts with this piece of
evidence and that conflicts. And we're like, basically all
potential avenues have been partially closed by some little
red herring they had to throw in to keep us off the scent that
probably they'd had to because the the show got extended for
more seasons than they initially did so.
Exactly how do you I? Don't know how you're right, I
didn't see the episode that makes that you know that theory
not work so I had just quit watching.
Davis, for the audio listeners, has tattoos live together, die
alone. What is the resonance of like
that made that so meaningful to? You I actually, I actually got
the, I was very young to get forearm tattoos.
Maybe think about it, if you're 19 and you're getting 4I I like
all my tattoos, but if I wasn't in the profession that I was in,
could be a little bit limiting. But I got it after one of my
really good friends growing up died when, when I one of my
skateboarding buddies died when I was 19.
Me and some of my other friends, we all we all went and got
tattoos and that was what I got. And that was at lost had just
kind of finished and that the live together die alone is the
what is it? The it's the last two episodes
of season 3 and they're they're great.
They're great. I mean, that's probably about as
good as the as the show. Jack says it right.
Jack says it to Kate. And yeah, and I, and I, I mean,
frankly, like to this day, I still think Lost is for me
probably the best show I've ever like, though it's it's
definitely the most I've ever enjoyed a piece of art on a
screen. Yeah, the the, I mean some of
the stuff with like Desmond and and all of that was quite
powerful, but it had it had the highs were high that is that's.
Not, not Penny's boat. I mean, not if you, if you, if
you're, if you're a man, if you're a man, if, if your heart
is so full of stone that you see.
Oh shit, What's, what's his name?
It's been so long since I've watched it.
The boy. No, The Hobbit character, he,
he's a Hobbit. This is This is bad radio.
I know that Walt was the dog. We my son is 15 and we've just
started watching it again and he's into.
It is he, Mary or Pippen in in Lord of the Rings.
He's he's Mary, not Penny's boat CCC when he does when he does
when he does not Charlie when he does not Penny's boat and he's
dying and you and and you see the oh recognition on destiny's
face. I mean, that is like that is
like perfect television. That's some girl with TV right
there. Yeah.
Yeah, right. Yeah, He's 15.
I remember being like, my sister bought me, you know, the big DVD
sets. Season 1.
She's like, I love this show. I think you will like it.
I was home sick one one day and I just popped it in, you know,
first episode ever. And my wife got home from her
real job like 6:00 at night and she's like, what's up?
How do you feel? Like I'm on episode 12, Sit
down. And then he just went back to
the beginning and watched them all.
Like from the beginning it was, it was awesome.
And then by Season 3, maybe it was where we were at the point
where you have to wait for it on TV.
Yeah, that's kind of what happened to me.
I caught up and then I when I was waiting for it, the show
seemed to to get worse than my eyes.
This this is true. Aaron here.
Very high ceiling, low floor. What one of these losty
severance kind of shows Davis? It was a week to week show.
Week to week, Davis could be a character in one of these shows,
and in one episode, his tattoos are gone.
And you don't understand, like how that happened.
Is it from the past? Is it some sort of new
technology? That's what Severance on the
Severance podcast. You want to know, like, what
year is it? And the computers look a certain
way and everything is the music. But they don't tell you.
I think it's something they don't want to tell you is when
in time or they just don't know. Well, it's kind of like it
doesn't, is it, is it even that relevant because it's such a
different timeline that like it could be 2000, it could be
20-40, but like the technology moved at a different pace.
So it's sort of a it's doesn't necessarily matter.
I was with a bunch of guys this weekend, you 2 that said the
same thing. We love the show.
We don't know what's happening, we don't care.
It's so beautiful on. TV to look at.
I honestly liked the last episode.
Seemed like people really did not like the the most recent
episode but. I I haven't, I haven't, I
haven't watched it yet. I'm not they did a podcast.
They did a podcast with Christopher Walken, who's on the
show if you don't know, and it's very good.
It's two O 6 if you can find it's on the Odyssey app where I
work, by the way. And his last line with Ben
Stiller, who's interviewing him is I am afraid of God, which is
interesting to hear Christopher Walken say and you know, deep
stuff. Is it the best ball of shows
there? Some are, some are saying we are
just before noon on Monday of the.
And and Twitter is down and Twitter is down.
Yes, you.
Can't. So.
So is Adam. Here's the question we have to
know. Is Adam Schefter breaking news
on Blue sky? On truth.
This is a huge moment for Blue Sky, if Twitter's actually.
Down what an opening you? You cannot.
I think it's just back.
I have two minutes ago, although it is a tweet about Rudy Gobert,
so it could be five years ago. I I the day.
I cannot get. In what a what a bit, man.
It's it's. It's loading for me.
What a bit. Rudy Gobert is the first tweet
five years later from when he's touched everything, I think.
That Schefter's on Blue Sky, I think rap sheet is.
Yeah, rap sheet is. That's a good debate.
Which of these guys wouldn't ever be on Blue Sky?
There's a mirror account for Schefter but it but you know, it
depends on him actually tweeting.
So actually that's no good rap sheet.
Every. I think he double posts.
Well, assuming the. Word post is 25 minutes ago.
Assuming we're back, is Davis, are you our captain when it
comes to news? Like usually when stuff happens
you're you jump in and like this just happened.
I. Assume, I assume.
Yeah, I'm just for whatever reason.
Crane and I are kind of roughly the same age, but my brain is
more poisoned than his. So yeah, I will be, I will be
our, our news grabber whenever, whenever.
We if, if there's something to report.
And theoretically, in about 30 seconds there should be stuff
happening. Yeah, we, we started, we started
early like it was New Year's Eve.
You know, you don't want to just start your New Year's Eve show
on midnight. You want to start it early so
you can sort of ramp up. All right, so there's no.
Time to talk about lost if you start right in at New Year's.
Now correct. Now let's.
Let's start. Let's start here.
Is George Pickens A holding out, B getting extended, C getting
traded, or D in the cuck chair to DK Metcalf?
CI. Would say there's what were the
options getting traded, holding out cuck chair and what?
Whatever B was. Getting, getting.
Extended. Never.
I think getting traded is the most likely.
I, I don't, I don't think that like he's necessarily gonna just
be the bee to Metcalf, at least from a skill standpoint.
I think. I think I'd rather have Pickens
than Metcalf. Oh, see, I, I, I like, I mean,
Crane, you know this. Almost no one has been a bigger
advocate of Pickens, like the entire time he's been in the NFL
universe. DK Metcalf is just better than
him. DK Makaf is older, he dealt with
some injuries last year. You want to talk about cup
chair? He's the but he's already got
the money. They they they traded for him
and then he already. Is you can't pay someone to be
good, you let's I understand what happened.
But I mean, if we're just talking about who is the more
talented receiver in 2025, I don't think we should just
assume that. That you just said that should
be, I mean, we should get, I should get that tattoo out of my
forearms. You can't pay someone to be
good. I mean, I've never heard someone
so eloquently explain why money doesn't necessarily equate to
fantasy points before. First clue, who gets the number?
They both wear 14. Do we know?
Oh God. Holy shit, I hadn't even
pondered. That's huge.
Oh my God. I mean, who gets the number?
Metcalf is now a $100 million investment in by the Steelers.
What's Pickens? He's going.
This this is perhaps the least or the OR the most short sighted
trade in NFL organization has ever made.
I mean these guys together is a fucking nightmare.
I so so Jacob, Jacob Sanderson had a tweet where he's like, I
don't their skill sets are duplicative, but they're not
necessarily like you can't have them both out there.
It's. It's fine to have two grown ass
men as your wife is fine if they're both OK with it.
If they're all if. They're if they're both OK with
it, yeah. It's so I don't think it's a
skill set issue. I think it's AII.
Look, I mean, I think D KS probably fine with it.
DK just got his money and Pickens will help him see less
coverage so why wouldn't he's he's.
Going. To be installed as the number
one in the offense, I I believe that.
I would love for Pickens to be like, they always will go to
Pickens, the guy with the number originally.
And like, you know, what is the deal?
Oh, it's a car or it's a new kitchen.
And Pickens demand is $80 million.
That's what I will give you my number for.
I will give you my number for 80. $1,000,000 Pickens demand
should be however many targets you get in a given year.
I have to end up with one more or the Steelers have to.
Pay right the. Amount of money.
One extra dollar. If you want 164 targets, that's
fine by me as long as I get 165 you.
Know. You guys know who led the
Pittsburgh Steelers in catches in 2024?
I assume Friarmouth. Correct 65.
Pickens had 59 for 900 yards and three.
One thing I wanted to ask you guys is do you guys follow a
certain rule of thumb when a team adds a wide receiver, a
good one and like what to do with the current wide receiver
One, is it cause common sense is, well, that's bad because
there's somebody who's coming in over the top.
It's bad for Pickens on that team, but a lot of people will
tell you no, it is it, it's going to free up targets and
it's going to fit in a certain scheme way.
Is there a rule of thumb or is it really?
Does it really have to be specific to the situation and
the players? This is bad for Pickens.
I mean, there's no, this is this is unambiguously bad for Pickens
because it's a low volume pass offense.
And so the way that you're a fantasy relevant receiver on the
Steelers is that you are the the downfield passing game, right?
Like A.J. Brown was still extremely
valuable on the Titans because he was like the whole downfield
passing game and he was awesome. So the ability to consolidate in
this offense is kind of the whole game.
And now Pickens is not going to fully consolidate.
I my point with with Metcalf is that I'm not sure if Metcalf is
going to fully consolidate if Pickens is there.
I mean, I think I do, I think Pickens, if we're just like
picking receivers for this season now it there's lots of
stuff bubbling up underneath in terms of like the personality
and we've seen Steelers receivers leave Pittsburgh and
all of a sudden they're like unmanageable.
Go to like 0. Go to.
Like 0 absolute. 0. Yeah, so so that part of it I'm
not like ignoring, but just from the skill set standpoint,
Pickens has made huge strides since he's entered the league.
He can get open. He's not just like a deep like
Metcalp was pretty much go route, throw it up to him last
year, which he hasn't always been and he's getting older.
So that makes you a little nervous.
Pickens is getting open like an open score.
He looks great for two straight years now.
He's a young receiver. So just purely kind of the on
the field stuff. I think he'll make DK Metcalf's
life pretty difficult as he tries to, you know, establish
like a 28% target share because that's what you need to do in
this offense. I, I think it's some offenses
you can go, oh, this will improve the passing game.
You know, the, the Bengals, like is it bad for Jamar Chase?
The T Higgins is there. I don't think so because they're
going to pass a ton. Chase is clearly better.
He's going to get his, but Higgins kind of helps lift the,
the ceiling of the offense. So in the and keeps the design
of the offense really focused around the pass.
Do you think this makes it more likely that they sign Aaron
Rodgers? Yeah.
I I do too, and frankly I this is actually going to be a very
unpopular opinion, particularly for the ship chasing audience.
Here we go, Aaron. Rodgers is going to be perfectly
cromulent throwing to these guys.
Aaron Rodgers is still probably like the 13th best quarterback
in the NFL. He's he's got no mobility, like
absolutely none. So we can't extend plays
anymore. And that's been the big
difference. I, I kind of feel like Rogers is
a, you know, what's funny is that if I could put Rogers
anywhere, like if I could just wipe everyone's brains, I'd put
them on The Jets. On The Jets for.
Sure. I just wanted to I I think he's
capable of feeding Garrett Wilson a bunch of targets and
now that Adams is gone, that'll actually happen, right?
But of course you know this is a a fantasy but.
If if he goes to the Steelers, I mean, he's got two guys who
don't really separate as well as an Adams or a Wilson at least.
I mean, again, I think Pickens can, but he's still like, he's
gonna win downfield. It's not just like all contested
catches. I mean, Rogers can throw that
stuff. We've seen him do the downfield.
He doesn't love it. Like he doesn't love it.
He prefers to throw the the splash zone stuff.
And and be where be where you're.
Be where you're supposed to be be.
Where you're supposed to be exactly when you're supposed to
be there, which you know who, Metcalf or.
That's neither of them. That's neither of them.
Look, it's the Pittsburgh Steelers, just to back up a half
step. Does this make sense for them?
I like the idea of drafting Metcalf.
Once the trade stuff came out, I was thinking about the Bills,
you know, certain teams. You're going to trade for him.
You are going to feed him, you're going to pay him, Which
Pittsburgh immediately did. And so, you know, he got a
little bit hotter there. But Arthur Smith, I don't know,
like, is there any chance that's good?
Fields is still the, I think the favorite.
But maybe to your question, that'll change now.
I think Pickens is calling. Him on the money or something
because it because they've said they wanted him to to re sign
there but you know here we are and and it hasn't happened so I
just. I think Pickens.
Is slightly. Before you, Davis, before you
go. You asked like, what's the
likeliest outcome for Pickens? We both guessed trade.
I I think it still is. There's too much overlap.
I do too. Still.
Arthur Smith I Andrew Filipone from Pittsburgh Radio and I have
been friends many years, used to we used to work together and
he's like so negative toward Pickens, the tantrums on the
field, like get him out of here. It's kind of funny how that's
happened with Pittsburgh guys a few times.
But this move to me is that they have a plan to do that.
I think that's my best guess. That's, that's what would make
sense to me is that they're, they're trying to get rid of
Pickens. And, and I, I tell you what I
mean, if Chris Godwin signs with the Jaguars, the Patriots might
send like three first to get picking.
They can't get, they can't get anyone to, to go to New England.
There's not a single person in the league willing to sign with
the New England Patriots. So you got to trade.
You got to trade. You know, I think at this point,
Darius Slayton's going to get like 45,000,000 if he's willing
to sign with the Patriots. It's I.
Was going to say Darius Slayton is about to get the bag.
Hear me, hear me out. What if this is their The
Steelers are trying to set up their version of what the Bears
tried to do for Caleb Williams last year, put their rookie
quarterback in the best possible position to succeed, and it's
they're taking Jackson Dart. Well, so in that case, then I
want them to sign Rogers because nothing would be funnier than
him going to Pittsburgh and then drafting a rookie quarterback in
the in the middle of the first round.
This is a great idea. This is Garoppolo and Jackson
Dart. Does Seattle, if you don't want
to move off seat to off Pittsburgh yet, fine.
But does Seattle beat Pittsburgh to Jackson Dart?
Or there could be trades That could be a thing.
You know, because Seattle's wide open now and we'll see what they
do. With the agency, there's
conflicting reports. One was that they basically
decided they wanted Darnold, but one was that Gino turned down a
bunch of money from them. It was just with no counter.
He just wanted out, yeah. He just wanted out.
Godwin is going back to Tampa. I think that was, I think that
was always the most likely thing.
That's how I've been drafting it.
Frankly, I am not as pessimistic on Jalen McMillan.
I've been getting Corrine. I've been getting this a lot in
my YouTube chat of people being like oh McMillan is dead if
Godwin resigns. It's not great.
He's pretty expensive. Wide Receiver 3.
But, but hear me out, super condensed offense.
They like basically do not use a they don't.
Who's their wide receiver for? Well they have they have otten
they actually use a tight end. Kate Otten is like a 6% target
share guy when those guys are on the field.
When I said official, I meant Rappaport.
I don't think, I don't think he's 6. 44 million guaranteed, 3
for 66 Godwin to Tampa. And Karain, you know this as
well as anyone, contingent value is kind of like the most
important thing in best ball. And he's got giga contingent
value with 30 year old Mike Evans.
Gods are coming in off this knee injury.
I I mean, maybe maybe you move him down below Josh Downs now,
maybe, but you're still taking him over like Rashad Bateman,
Diggs, these guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So. So you can't, maybe you can nuke
him a little bit, but I mean. He's he's at least like 10 spots
too high, maybe more. Well, this is a, you know, a
fit. We've already seen him going
back to his original team. But Pat, if you don't mind, like
is there not a rule of thumb when it comes to the the big
wide receiver add to the original guy?
Or is it just like you when you took the question, you went
right to Pickens. That's who we were talking
about. Is it always bad though for the
guy? For the IT?
How? How secure is the number one as
the number one? And then how how much is the
secondary guy going to like, OK, so puka, right.
I don't think that the Adam signing is that bad for Puka.
It's not. I moved him down one spot.
Yeah, I moved him down I think 2 spots, yeah, but it's like he's
still roughly, like he's going to dominate targets.
The offense is still going to go around him.
They like what Adams brings. I mean, I think part of it is
that like Puka and Cup were kind of similar in what they're
adding. Adams gets open on his own on
the outside. You're not like scheming stuff
up so much. You're not like bringing him
across the middle as much. So you have like Puka in his
role and Adams in a different role.
They're they're probably more complementary to each other.
I think Adams probably helps and hurts, right?
It's not like Puka's not gonna see like an insane target share
now, but the offense should be better, be better in.
Whittington was the wider Super 2.
Yeah, they're gonna be more confident in running the offense
through the passing game. So I think there will be times
when it hurts and times when it helps.
Overall, it's like a a small net negative, but I don't know.
I mean it. I don't know if there's like.
A surprised only $66 million for three years for Godwin.
I don't know. I, I want to say this about
that. So the Bills are out here
signing, you know, defensive players and stuff for what seems
like great money. Good players right now are
getting great money. The cap is going up again.
Everybody's worth billions and it's nothing.
Think about the running backs for.
This No, I'm saying I'm saying this is really light.
I'm saying, I'm saying. OK, well, in in that context,
good players getting great money, great players breaking
the ceiling, you know, Miles, Garrett and and all of this.
So maybe you're right. But it does.
It does seem like right now is a great time to be up.
Like why did the New England Patriots not offer five years
120 million? Dollars.
I don't know, man. I you know.
It's also. Pretty clear they were in on
Metcalf because there was there was a report that they were
there was at least a third round pick on the table, but the
Seahawks then said they're willing to lower their price to
a second. That third round pick had to be
the Patriots. Somebody they're they're rumored
to be wanting to. I don't know he's coming off a
multi ligament tear. That's that's not ideal.
They just, they are screwed, man.
I'm I'm really rooting for the Patriots to to improve 'cause I
love Drake May, but like. Pat's Pat's offered more for God
when he turned it down per Rap sheet on.
NFL. Network.
That makes sense to me man. He kind of he just used them as
as leverage like they this suck tax with the patriots is so so
high right now. I I think they had they should
honestly be trying to trade for Pickens.
What? What do you think it's about?
I think partly it's about, I think it, I mean, one, it's
freezing cold there. That's what it's about.
He likes playing with Baker Mayfield.
Forgot what it is, but for what? What's the What's the Patriots
stink? Really.
Apparently they're they're totally rudderless.
They fire their coach after one year, last year they they have a
quarterback and that's it. I think, I think part of it is
that that roster is in such a horrific state that it just
really speaks poorly to the organization and how the
organization was run to get to that point.
I mean, they're damn near an expansion roster.
Like it is it is really outside of May, Like one of their best
players on offense is Pop Douglas.
Like that's wild. Yeah, hungry, you know.
Is a crucial piece of the passing attack.
Like it is, it is really crazy like and and the offensive line
is is bad and like it's hard to see how it gets a bunch better.
I know, but the league is so changeable and there are 10
franchises like that without the, you know, exact worst
roster at a given moment. There are so many teams that you
would just not want to go to, and it's still Boston with a
winning tradition. I mean, I don't know.
It's a little weird for me that they cannot attract anybody, but
that seems to be the case. You know, I think in in maybe
they kind of blew it too by not hiring Ben Johnson because I
think they probably the patriot way stuff was never.
I mean, it was it was almost anti player.
You know, is very like you do your job like all that crap and
that, you know, like kind of celebrating not paying guys,
trading guys before they had to get paid, you know, being a year
early on stuff. But like really kind of treating
guys like shit was was part of the ethos there.
And then they bring in Rabel, who was never under, never under
Belichick, but, you know, played for him and everything.
Yeah. And and then they bring Josh
McDaniels, who's like, the least players coach on offense.
You. Could players hate Josh
McDaniel? Players hate this guy, At least
as a head coach they did so. But they don't get the F minus
for the cafeteria food like the Bengals or some of these other
teams. Arizona locker room.
This, this, this will be a little bit of a moment of
tribute to to our fallen hero, Sam Sherman 'cause he would have
had a great bet on this if he was.
The original Darren. The original Darren.
Darren, I saw a tweet yesterday that was so good that I did a
quote tweet LMAO, which I almost never do.
Like a tweet has to be incredible.
And it was. Man, there's just a lot going on
in the NFL right now. Can't believe how this is is
going. The Bengals front office is
going to be astonished when they read about it in the newspaper.
Tomorrow. That was good.
Yeah, so good. We have Adam Schefter saying
Justin Fields will not sign in Pittsburgh unless they make him
QB one. I think that is been that's been
the reporting 'cause I think he, I think he probably rightfully,
frankly feels a little bit miffed that he was three and one
and like, frankly is a better fit for the Arthur Smith offense
than Russell Wilson. And they still benched him.
But the You know what's gonna happen, Jets?
Would be Jets would be good for him.
I think The Jets are are unlikely to take a quarterback
at 7. I think what he has to worry
about is if he goes to the Seahawks, they they could easily
draft a quarterback. You just he's got to he's got to
avoid being a bridge, you know, and if he can say he wants, he's
got to become Baker. That's his goal.
You know, be be kind of that middle class quarterback and
surprise and win some games. I think The Jets would be a
pretty good location. Now.
It would suck for us. Like I I think he's not the best
fit for Garrett Wilson. I guess he's better than some of
the other options, but. What's the best case scenario?
Not team, but contract for Fields, who Mayfield had to have
the season first. You know, he was a number one
overall pick and he was OK. He was on three other teams and
he went to Tampa and he had to have the season first and OK.
Here, compete with what was the dude Kyle Trask?
Kyle Trask beat Kyle Trask out. But then he put the numbers up
and then he got the contract. He has yet to do that.
Yeah. His options would be one year
for a lot of money, like one year $30 million some team would
probably do or four years with a player option at like 18,000,000
a year. Like basically we're the Geno
deal was three years, right? Wasn't it three years, 90?
Million. Yeah, I think three years, yeah.
Something like that or three years, 70 million maybe He he
could probably get that. I think he's almost definitely
going to be in a competition. You know, if he it's good that
he wants to be QB one, but the The Jets idea that I've heard
the most often and that I like the most is some veteran, you
know, Tyrod Taylor, Daniel Jones.
I don't know who would it be Garoppolo and your second round
pick, one of those quarterbacks that just misses Milro, somebody
like that. I think that.
If if the if the Indianapolis Colts do not take Milro, they
should be like find a future draft pick for organizationally
competence. Like truly, is there ever been a
more logical backup quarterback to a starter?
In in the. History but.
They're not going to. They're not.
Too similar. We've had this, we've had this
conversation. They're going to pick somebody
different. Jones is a good idea there, I
think. I think The Jets are in a are in
position where they could they could sign fields and or if
Darnold hadn't doesn't have the baggage with The Jets, you know,
Arnold would be a good option in that alternate universe and and
not spend any resources in this bad quarterback class on
quarterback. And then just like go into the
future. And once there's actually some,
I mean, Tyler Shuck in the second round just doesn't really
move the needle for me. I really have a hard time.
I just think like it's it's not the best draft class overall,
but there are positions where it's deep and just like attack
those positions and hope you're in position to get a quarterback
for the future. Next year would be would be what
I would do with that. Like, and that's where fields
would actually be appealing, where I think, you know, maybe
you're not kind of a winning season, but don't be atrocious.
You know, that's how that's how everyone gets gets fired in New
York as if you're just like the product is just like, God, we
can't we can't put this out there on the field anymore.
You can avoid that level. You'll be all right.
It's going to be pretty culturally there.
Aaron Glenn, past player. I think they're gonna try to
redefine if, whatever that it means, who they are as a, as a
franchise, if. You and honestly, Fields is a
good fit for that. Like Fields, the locker room guy
leader. Like he, he's a he's a guy.
That, that is an interesting thing.
That is a very interesting thing.
All of Fields teammates have always loved him, even when he's
been like pretty terrible on the field.
They've all been like we're we're riding or dying for that
guy. Think about how well he's
handled this Pittsburgh situation.
Like clearly he didn't got, he didn't get any assurance that
they were all we want to bring him back, but clearly he hasn't
gotten any assurances they'd actually be the starter because
he's saying now I want to sign somewhere I'll be the starter.
So, you know, but he's never, he never put up a stink.
He never like he got benched for Russell Wilson after, you know,
winning games for them. You know, it was never, never a
locker room issue. I I think if you're trying to do
the Dan Campbell, you know, let's let's turn this culture
around thing. He does make, he does make a lot
of sense there. Pat, if you can find our second
slide, it's about the guys we're talking about here, Geno Smith
Fields and Darnold and also Darnold.
Thanks to our guys, Zach Lanars for putting this together.
Call back to the ghost moments from Darnold's Jets career last
two games. Is is Darnold Seattle?
Does he have to be? What is going to happen with
him? Man, if they traded Gino and
they don't get Darnold. What did they do?
What's? The plan?
I don't know. I don't know, Sam.
Owl. Dude, please not Sam Hal.
I honestly can't. I can't.
Give me at least give me at least give me news.
Sam, Hal. Jackson, Dart.
You know, at least Yeah, new Sam Hal would be great.
News that should be that should be the next news item would be
Darnold to Seattle, because why make the trade before today?
Right. Yeah, unless you.
Unless you know. You have to know unless there's
another idea that's that's better, but I.
Don't know. That is.
Maybe they do. I don't know.
I mean, I think one reason to make the trade with Gino is that
there's a report about to come out that he straight up said I
will not accept any offers from you and that will hurt trade
compensation. If it's like I we can't resign
this guy. We basically need someone to
give us anything. You know that maybe you're
getting like a day three pick at that point.
If you might remember, one of the fantasy playoff weeks might
have been weeks 1615 or 16. It's Minnesota at Seattle.
Good game, and Darnold makes a play late in this game to
Jefferson to win it, which really hurts Seattle's playoff
chances. You know, you just saw this
happen in your own state, in your own stadium.
You might have a different impression of Sam Darnold than
the Rams do. Yeah, no, I mean, that's a
thing. Like, how many games of Sam
Darnold did this team watch? You know, do they sit down and
watch every game? Did they, you know, there's a
lot of players, you know, they're not watching red zone
every week. They, they they they've got to
catch up on some of this tape that that game probably does
have an outsized impression. We see that all the time.
We're like, we're like, oh, this guy they overpaid went nuts
against them. Yeah.
Now Seattle, Like what it it is, what they're doing is really
strange because they had a pretty solid roster.
Like they seem like, you know, you fix the interior, the
offensive line, and you could easily be in the playoff
discussion. You know, and I know it's not
like for fans, it's it's more appealing to be like, tear it
down, you know, if you don't have a league quarterback play,
what's the point and all that. But like, if you're running an
organization consistently, being in the playoff hunt or making
the playoffs and doing something like being where the Bucks are
is pretty great. If you run the Bucks, you know,
that's like good for your job security and everything.
So it's just odd that they it was.
Interesting, Pat. It was interesting, Pat.
The first, like one of the first news items of the offseason was
their offensive coordinator was out and I don't know, I thought
it went pretty well. So I thought he was.
Fine. Yeah.
What are they doing there? Yeah.
They're not bad, but the
quarterback thing, you could like most accurate quarterback
in the NFL, Geno Smith, but at 35 and you've topped out only
like in the making the wild card round.
I think it's reasonable to want to sort of turn that page
eventually. We all liked, I think a a
quarterback in this draft for the Seahawks to play behind him.
I thought that was like a good spot for a quarterback 3 but
all. Right.
We we've got some legitimate breaking news all.
Right, let's go. Let's.
Go. You're on the wires.
Davis is on the wires. Elijah Mitchell signs a deal
with the Kansas City Chiefs I don't have. $3.5 million.
So the question you have to ask yourselves, is this the Semaj P
Ryan deal? Is this the Carlos Hyde?
Remember, Carlos Hyde signed. Ronald Jones.
Signed. No, but do you remember Carlos
Hyde signs with the Kansas City Chiefs never plays a down for
them. The year that he ran for 1000
yards for Houston, he spent the entirety of that pre season with
the Chief think he got he was like a he was like a a 70 to 53
cut. So you got to ask yourself, is
this a real deal? Is this a deal worth?
Do we do we react to this at all Or do we go, yeah, this is
probably this is this is Melvin Gordon.
This is think of. Think of a.
Weird one. It's so early.
It's it's an end of free agent deal that happens minutes into
free agency. Yeah, normally.
Where is this strong? Schultz.
Yeah. All right, Twitter is still sort
of sputtering, so. But underdog, underdog is
aggregated at that sort. Of I feel like I'm OK, I feel
like I'm trying to buy tickets to a concert, like it's just
sort of click, click, click, click, click.
Hoping that it works at this point.
Yeah, good question. You know, what's your what's
your answer, Davis? Like what do you think?
What's? Pacheco's value anymore.
My answer is that it's 1P Ryan retires, so P Ryan's gone 2
Carson Steele probably is done. We we've seen, we've seen the
end of of the Carson Steele experiment doesn't do anything.
Probably the biggest thing is it doesn't do anything to
invalidate Pacheco's role in the team because if Pacheco is still
healthy, I think he'll definitely be ahead.
But it gives them a little bit of insurance and.
You think he'll definitely be ahead given the Kareem Hunt
forced to split? Yeah, yeah, definitely.
If you, if you, if, if you want to, if you want to put him in a
coffin, you, you, you'd sign you, you probably Rico Dowdle
actually would be like if they'd.
Signed Rico Dowdle could legit put him in a coffin, yeah.
If they yeah, if they if they send Rico Dowdell to two years
11 the Zach Moss deal, if Rico Dowdell got the Zach Moss deal,
then I would be worried. They the frankly, they just need
bodies and. It strikes me as like they were.
We don't want to get boxed out of some running back depth and
but we don't want to spend a lot at running back and free agency.
So who's willing to take this deal?
There's probably like maybe maybe they offer the same to
Rico. He's like, I want more than
that. Yeah.
And they're like, that's fine. But we're only willing to spend
like three and a half million. Who's willing to take it?
Mitchell took it. That's pretty.
That's good for Pacheco. The thing that could be bad is
that that's the type of thing you would do if you're planning
to draft a running back in. Round three, I would say.
I would say Kansas City should be -110 to select A running back
before pick 100 of the NFL Draft.
And this this would fit perfectly on that plan.
Yes, I think this makes, I think this makes it, I think this
makes it more likely actually that they that they draft a
running back if, if they signed Najee Harris to three years, $16
million less likely. Agreed.
Sure, sure. I completely agree.
Why sign anybody? Depth you can't you you can't
trust Pacheco, you know fully and you can't you don't like if
you're not bringing hunt back and you're not bringing P Ryan
back yeah your. Your team is down to one active
running back and this is the team that does want to run the
ball, you know what I mean? I think that needs to be clear.
Well, there's some preference toward Mitchell that made them
like the first team to sign anybody.
I think the preference was he was willing to take three and a
half million dollars. I think I think the.
And again, the, the, the one point you can't let go of this
offseason is the money is almost irrelevant.
Like it's just more. It's all.
Basically, well, it's it's
relevant. It's relevant for Kansas City
because they just let their best offensive lineman go.
It's definitely more relevant for the Chiefs.
Yeah, yeah, they, they, yeah, they, they are.
They're not the Saints, but the cap kind of matters for them.
What does? The cap matters for teams that
are good in a way that I think because, you know, people do.
The people do the, oh, you know, cap doesn't matter, and they
convert it all to signing bonuses for teams that are good
and plan on being good for a while.
Cap actually does matter. If you're the Saints, sure.
Cap's not real. Convert it all to signing
bonuses. Kick the can.
The cap is very real for the Saints.
It is ruining their franchise. If you're the Patriots, the
cap's not real because no one will play for you no matter how
much money you offer. No cap at all.
Cap. Yeah, Cap might.
Yeah. I can't.
It wouldn't matter. I can't even get on Twitter
right now, but I'm not going to worry about it because I've got
you guys. And of course, you know, with
me, you never know when things might break down, so I don't
want to risk it. So Saturday morning I broke a
rule. I don't know if you guys are
exactly this way, but you're up in an underdog draft.
I was at a in person baseball draft.
I just looked and saw all right, I'm off and I'd never like to
let it wait. So I just went and snapped,
picked Xavier Worthy. Then after that just go to
Twitter cause again it's like sort of in between picks in the
baseball draft surely? Nothing happened with Seriously.
What? What are the odds?
It wasn't like he had slid because other people knew this.
It was maybe 10 minutes since the news.
So. OK, Davis.
So I mean, you saw that the Chiefs go and sign Hollywood
Brown after the worthy. Do they not like that happened,
right? They.
Yeah, but I. Think that was I I've been
adamant the whole time the Chiefs were recent.
It it made the most sense for both parties.
So that was not the cause of worthy at all.
No, I think Hollywood is great fitchiefs.com because he can do
both things. He can run underneath and he can
do the deep threat stuff that can replace kind of the Justin
Watson empty calorie snaps. And he obviously didn't do
enough to put himself into the three years, $66 million range
the way he hoped he would. So he signs another one year
deal, hopes to get himself one big fat last contract from what
did he get Brown? What did he get?
One, it's the same deal, one year, $11 million, same deal he
signed with them or was last year less.
Eight. I thought it was 8.
Yeah, so made sense for all parties, gives them a little bit
of cushion getting Rashi Rice back and the the Williamson
County Sheriff's Department is not pursuing any charges against
Mr. Worthy. And that is still a situation
we've had. These reminded me of Von Miller
with the bills where he eventually was not charged.
But we probably, you know, good chance maybe it happened.
That's how that goes. So there still is the
possibility of a suspension. It's unlikely.
Seems unlikely. Yeah, unless the incident kind
of reopens, they press charges or there's like another, you
know, it's a sounds pretty volatile.
So you know. Miller got one.
He got suspended Hollywood.
Brown didn't get anything. It's this is more like that I
think, right? I don't know.
Frankly, frankly, I don't even know because the basically what
it sounded like was it sounded like the Sheriff's Department
was like, this is a nothing burger like not like nothing
like basically worthy just wanted to get this gal off of
his property. It's tough to know it's.
Tough to know. Of course it's.
Tough to know, I. Have a hard time?
You know, sort of. It does make me a little less
enthusiastic about Worthy, I'll say that.
But he's he's fine at ADP, so we're not.
Chief Chief sure do have a type, brother.
Holy cow. Yeah.
Kareem Hunt So we're not, we're not moving, moving worthy in
rankings. No, I, I moved him down
slightly. I I feel like it's like it's
harder to get excited about, you know, him blossoming into this
amazing pro and stuff like this pop is popping up, but
ultimately, you know, rated ADP. I mean, he's he's a very good
football player. It sucks that like this guy that
I really liked watching play is now maybe a fucking Jackass.
The other thing that that became, you know, I think it is
important, it impacts worthy status a little bit is that it
seems like Rashi. Rashi looks good.
Rehab is going really well and Jeff Muller had a tweet, 'cause
he was kind of bearish. He had a tweet on Rashi that was
like. He he had him as he had him as a
fade and now he has him as a buy Jeff Muller's from ET he.
Switched yeah he switched from fade to buy on some rehab rehab
timeline stuff I don't understand exactly what was so
bullish but you do like seeing that the.
It was the, it was the lateral movement.
It was that, it was that theoretically the LCL should be.
You should be able to go well, but the IT it.
Was something about the? Lateral movement and the
stability that he saw or whatever.
Again, who? Who knows, but yeah.
But that would be, that's one where I for Worthy to really
break out, you need him to kind of take on more of like a real
wide receiver role. And if Rashi's just like
dominating targets the way he he looked like he was going to do,
that's that would be not so great for Worthy where he's
going. My my opinion is that worthy is
better than rice. That is not going to be an
opinion that is shared by anyone else on planet Earth, probably.
The better at like real football probably.
I mean he adds more to an offense.
It's harder to find a worthy than a Rice is maybe what I
would say. Do you think is this right to
say he can do what Rice can do but with a lot more speed?
Yes. I don't know if he can do what
Rice can do. Rice.
Saw him do it. We never saw him just become
like the the I know this guy's going to be open every single.
Point We had a 30% target share in the final five games and not
including Week 18. OK.
That's pretty good. Like as Kelsey As Kelsey went to
0. I believe Worthy's first 100
yard game was the conference championship.
Yeah, maybe the Chiefs do it. They do it, whatever they want
against the Bills in the playoffs.
And that was a. It's a little different though.
Dale, so it's not like he's you got you got to design stuff for
him a little bit and then he he can get deep in a way that Rice
never can. I mean, it's if they're, it's
not like he can't do stuff Rice can't do.
But if I need like a guy to get open 8 yards downfield, do you
remember? This, I'm going to be the only
one who remembers this play probably, but it's third and
eight. It's the second drive against
Buffalo and Mahomes throws like a 12 yard out to Worthy and
Worthy stops short, gets in front of the defender, comes up
shit, catches the ball, brings it into his body, gets both feet
down while getting tackled by the defender.
I don't remember this but that sounds great.
I love. That it was, it was like, it was
like, it was like the first time I was like, oh, this guy's
actually a real receiver. Like that was just that.
That was like a play that like DeAndre Hopkins would make. 6485
in that game the the 1st 100 yard game of his career is the
Super Bowl 8 for 1:57 and 2:00 so that's that's.
Something something about something about two Chiefs wide
receivers that they draft in the second round accomplishing their
first thing in the Super Bowl. Davis hitting the mic was like
every time Worthy caught a bomb out of bounds.
We also got breaking news. NFL wide receiver catches
football. The slide on the screen is
running backs. We were talking about a couple
of these guys. Thanks again to Zach for this.
Jordan Mason as a potential RFA Jalen Warren if we can go back
to the Steelers pet Jalen Warren 5.4 million, you're going to
have to top that. You can sign him away from
Pittsburgh, but will anybody really do that?
Got. To give a second now they gave,
they gave. Him.
Lock him in. Lock him in.
I mean, he's he's going to be paired with a rookie, you know,
like I don't I'm, you know, this when I say this, I'm saying it
mostly to myself because I am, you know, the preeminent Warren
slappy even after last year. But like, don't assume that, you
know, it's like completely Warren's backfield here.
They're going to bring someone else in.
But he compliments a lot of guys in this draft class.
This is a draft class that has some early down bangers.
Yeah, but then then the problem is, is that we just run back the
jail Warren experience of the first four years of his career.
That's right. Yeah, we're but he's so trusted
on passing downs. He's an amazing pass blocker and
a really good receiver that I think it would be better than
the Naji split. I think he probably gets more
run now. It depends, right?
Like if they draft Amarian Hampton or something, he's
screwed. Which they had better not after
doing this? Sure, but I think I mean it's
Arthur Smith, so you never know. But this is today.
This is good, right? Like they gave him, they didn't
have to give him the tender they gave him.
They gave him one higher than they than the lowest restricted
free agent tender. So shows they value him which
nice to see. And if we like their offense
going through the offseason here, I don't know.
Is he, his ADP is 88, so round 8, right?
I mean, maybe that's a good a good.
That's fine, yeah, cuz I think you're, you're hoping obviously
you get a starter, but if you get a rotational like a, you
know, 1B with like high end contingent value and some stand
alone value, that's OK there. It's like a, an expensive
version. But if you get A1A that's like
great. Rodgers close to signing with
steel. I mean, Rodgers would be good
for Warren. You know, it would certainly be
better than Fields, right? Like you the receiving back, we
would prefer Rogers. Rogers Rogers would be huge for
a a check down back. Fields to Jets official
Gabriel's house. That would be.
This is crazy that I can't even
don't. Want that for Wilson?
It's crazy, I cannot even get on there to find out.
So the chat, the chat has an opening, so does Blue Sky and
the chat have both got a great, great opportunity here?
Yeah. Chat Chat ESPN Biggest.
News source in the country. ESPN has a news functionary and
I have the Athletic free agency tracker pulled up.
It's running like a couple minutes behind and some people
are able to get on. Twitter rap sheet Rap sheets on
blue sky. I'm not seeing anything about
fields. Fields fields jets is fake news
per man. Jerry Dulak is the Pittsburgh
reporter saying the the Steelers are getting close to a deal with
Rogers, which I don't know what that means in hockey.
That means it will happen in the next 5 minutes when any of the
hockey guys says they're getting close.
I don't know. There's some reason about why
they just don't say it, but that that maybe we should expect that
in. An how about, how about Miko
Rantanen getting offered $14 million by the Colorado Avalon,
turning it down like getting 12 1/2 by the stars and taking it,
Mike? How about that, huh?
Well, he gets traded to Carolina, where he doesn't want
to stay, and then they flip him to Dallas.
And I guess, you know, maybe it wasn't perfect for him, but it
wasn't it was worse for Carolina.
Three years, 74 million to the Patriots.
Diami Brown big signing. For the oh, come on.
No, I'm kidding. My heart just stops, dude,
because, because I honestly, I was like, shit, maybe that's
what they would actually actually.
How dare you, Pet, How dare you? I think, I think we will be.
I think he will be. I can't believe that you guys
are like, oh, it's real. No, because I've been thinking
he will be. He'll get a deal where my jaw
will kind of drop. I'm sort of racing for Diami
Brown on that list to get a good deal, but not not that.
Well, I. Don't know Chet saying they
would have bought it for 45,000,000 total.
I think 40. 5 million is probably what they're going to
have to pay. It's Slayton and Tiami Brown
right now that are. They're.
Fighting over 45,000,000 deal. Davis Tutu Atwell was not
allowed to get to market and he got 10.
They they like, they like him. He's a good situational deep
threat and he's a punt returner. It's it's honestly a fine, it's
honestly a fine deal for him. It really.
If they had signed him for for 4 million, wouldn't that seem sort
of normal? They like him and and.
Tutu's Tutu's good. He's.
Legit I think he's good. I like him too.
Yeah, and honestly, he fits great with Puka and Adams.
Like, you can have him. He can be kind of your God.
Who is the guy? Now I'm forgetting his name.
Who's the guy that the Chargers had?
Guyton, he can be your Guyton where you're just like just go
deep, man, and he can go deep. Man, yeah.
I I'd love to have a guy who's my Guyton be worth 10 cost me
$10 million. That's what I that's what I
really want. Oh, and it's a it's a one.
Year before market. It's a one year deal it.
Doesn't matter. I.
Know, you know, he fits, he's he's, you know, it's already
proven that he works within the system well.
Honestly, just why? Why does that?
Why does that cost you 10? Why?
Why couldn't that cost you half that before market?
I'd rather have the guy that I know can do it as opposed to
like bringing in Diami Brown and installing him in that role,
like. These these teams value guys who
have been in their system a lot. Yeah, that, that's big.
That's big in the the. NFL right now.
Well, wide receivers we're talking about now.
Our next slide has some much bigger names than the running
back one. We can get back to running back
if you want. Aaron Jones signing with
Minnesota for pretty big money. Of course, everybody signing us
for pretty big money. I.
I was. So I went into the offseason, by
the way, for the for the prior slide, thinking the Vikings were
the most obvious team to draft a rookie running back.
Their running game kind of sucked last year.
The whole McVeigh offense is built on a strong running game,
play, action, everything. And then you look at it and
you're like, they have 4 picks. They're, they're screwed.
They're they, they, you can't, you can't have a rookie
quarterback and, and be in a championship window and spend a
second round pick on a running back.
But man, feels feels like kind of an error, an unforced error
on their part to only have 4 picks with this rookie running
back class. Cause like, Aaron Jones is 29
and his hamstrings are, I mean, they've been shot for three
years basically. You know that where they draft
pretty late and they have their one, if I remember correctly,
pretty doable move to turn that pick into two or three other
picks and catch up. And people, it's all defensive
line there between like late first round through the second
round, Pretty flat. People that I'm talking to are
saying about like sort of the the quality of the draft.
So you can get somebody maybe sooner the better for Minnesota.
That's a move. I think Buffalo has their
second. So that's a move I'd want to
make for them. So we got the Patriots are
signing linebacker Robert Spillane and converting him to
outside wide receiver. All right.
That's true that that is actually true.
I've been hearing that actually going to happen.
Yeah, for $74 million. That's what's going to happen
there. Is that?
Yeah. Early reports.
By the way, the JJ Zach Reeson pointed out on Blue Sky that the
the Steelers, they don't have their second round pick.
So if you're thinking through Warren, it would either be it'd
be the disaster scenario where they sign where they draft
someone in the first round or more likely round three or
later. So kind of similar to the what
we were just talking about with with Jones.
If they do sign Rogers and move on from Fields and Wilson, then
that's a quarterback spot in round one to to pair with
Rogers. That's a quarterback spot.
Yeah, I thought Davis got it. Friar Muth at 65 catches LED
them in receiving wide receiver 2 was just like nothing for
Pittsburgh last year. On this chart here, you've got
Devante Adams to the Rams. We've mentioned that for a
minute. Metcalf Debo to Washington,
Christian Kirk. I was surprised by that move
with his contract. I didn't think he was much of a
cut candidate. His injury was a collarbone
injury. I thought Mike with Lawrence
back, new coach, they would want to go with him, but it wasn't
really like great for them financially.
Was that just maybe what's your guess?
Like they're down on him. Is it maybe physically behind
the scenes or what? He was another one.
Houston is great at this. He was going to be released, but
here comes Houston with a trade offer before the cut and he goes
there. It felt to me like they were
setting up to sign Godwin. So I'm I'm surprised that.
That's that's what I thought. Yeah, if if more money was on
the table from the Jaguars, I'm surprised Godwin didn't go
there. And if more money wasn't on the
table from the Jaguars, why not? Because it's they, they got rid
of Ingram and Kirk and now it's not a good wide receiver class.
It's not it's not a spot where I'd be like, oh, we'll just
easily get someone in the second or third round.
Like, it's not like there's no receivers, but, well, I guess
Parker Washington's going to play a lot.
One reason why Godwin maybe didn't take those deals.
New England 2 is moving. Sucks, I mean.
I mean, I, I kind of thought, I thought it all made sense.
Like Cohen went there. He's a good stylistic fit with
Brian Thomas Junior cutting cutting him and Ingram both was
weird. Right.
That that's weird to me. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, it's, it's weird because like when you look at the
Jaguars, you're like, they could really use an Evan Ingram.
Like, you know, like they. Need they need a targets
merchant. Yeah, they need some like
underneath reliable guys and they had two of them and they
got rid of both. Sounds like they sounds like
they like strange for for whatever that's worth.
It sounds like the GM. The GM was like saying some some
pretty nice stuff. I someone is asking about
Stephon Diggs and I do just want to mention he is a 31 year old
unrestricted free agent with a torn ACLIII think we are in the
Stephon Diggs is going to sign a series of one year $9 million
Odell Beckham. He's Odell Beckham.
Yeah, he he's raving. Odell Beckham, Yeah, you'd
rather have the bigger guy if you're betting against age.
You'd rather have him be bigger than.
You you'd rather? The guy not coming off an ACL
tier. You, I think if you're an NFL
team, I think you'd literally rather have Hopkins, who's like
super dust. I think Allen is probably the
best of these dust balls. He could actually draw some
targets last year. Darius Slayton is going to be
interesting. Darius Slayton's going to get
more money than Stefan Diggs in this free agency window.
Darius Slayton is like legitimately important for the
Patriots now. Like they they need to get him.
Well, what if they're? What if they do digs?
What if they're so down bad that they're just like, you want $17
million a year? Fine.
I'd rather have Slayton. Revenge against Buffalo?
That that might be that might be a bit much.
You look, if you're listen, it felt it felt a little bit much
as it came out of my mouth, but I still feel like like it might
be correct because they have Pop Douglas, they have Hunter Henry,
They actually have some dudes. What they don't have is like any
speed on the outside. Their their number one is
Keishon Booty who can't get open ever.
He's gets targets when he's like the guy's draped all over him.
He still gets targets. Well, their number one is Travis
Hunter, so stay woke. I mean if they would do
backflips to get Hunter but that's not going to happen.
How do they get Hunter? Shidor's not going top three.
I think Shidor might be going to the the Cleveland Footballing
Browns. I do not think that happens.
I do not think they said it too and take Shidor that.
Travis Hunter goes. Fix your analytics if that's if
that's what you do, fix. Your analytics Two or three.
The Titans straight with the Giants.
The Giants take Ward and then the Browns take Hunter, I think,
or Carter. Man, Travis Hunter on Travis
Hunter on the Browns. I'm sorry dude.
Just what a what a generational bummer that would be.
Just no chance of ever playing a meaningful game.
Don't you just hate that? Well, they Travis Hunter and the
Browns. Yeah, he just, he just basically
will never play a meaningful game in his NFL career.
I don't know. They did sign Garrett.
He's get, he'll get paid on his second year, the second
contract. So, so good for Travis, right?
I just, I don't know, man, can we, can we get him to somewhere
where he can conceivably matter in the NFL?
Well, I mean, it's not this Titans.
It's not the Giants. The Titans.
The Titans are closer to mattering than the Browns.
The Browns are are the furthest away from mattering of all 32
NFL teams. I don't know, the Titans, I
think might be further away. It's just a it's just like a
rotting. It's like a Husky.
It's like getting worse. Like it's, you know, it's like
fall. It's like watching a house
deteriorate. Like it's not true.
Not that the Browns are in great shape.
They're they're in pretty bad shape, but at least they've got
they got Garrett. They have like I I would rather
have the Browns receivers, you know, their lines, like, OK.
It'll come down to Cam Ward, one of them, or the Giants will
draft. I think, I think the giant my my
current take on March 10th on Mario Day is that the giants are
trading up to select Cam. Giants are trading up.
Yeah, Giants are going to get Cam Ward.
Basically, it's it's Giants. You can have anything but Malik
Neighbors give us the number one pick, I think.
I think is where they're at. They have to get Ward.
Just want to take a moment. Thank everybody for hanging with
us here today with Twitter down. We enjoy being your, you know,
your blanket on this free agent legal tampering period Monday or
we're just kind of hoping to find out some more news here,
but very interesting day for Twitter to stop working.
Darius Slayton is. Just got someone's tampering
with Twitter with us. Yes.
What? Davis Slayton.
Darius Slayton is just Josh Palmer with a good publicist.
Paramo and. Zach Lennars.
I don't know. I don't.
Josh Palmer doesn't really get open, you know, he's like, he's
like, he's miscast. I think Palmer would be actually
kind of interesting if he was like, I don't know.
Palmer just isn't very good. But he's he's OK as like an
outside guy, but he doesn't get behind guys.
Honestly. Michael Wilson is Josh Palmer
with a good publicist, Not that good of a publicist.
I mean, I can't even, I can't even, I can't even get on
Twitter. Like I can't even.
I'm not even getting the fail whale anymore.
It's just totally, totally timed out.
I'm stuck with a story on top about the Fayetteville
Woodpeckers introducing a new road jersey.
I can't you watch that believe. That NFL.
Their timelines are different, Mike.
Yes, they might be. They might be what's what's
yours. Mine is just I I left it on my
notifications. So I get the get the underdog
alerts because I got I got the the the bell on.
Want to talk some risers and fallers here?
We've got slides on on that. Let's do it.
Yeah, one SEC. Here are your risers for this
week Basil Tooten, Big Jump 28 spots Jalen Noel, JSN and
Bretton Strange Tooten. What's the the buzz?
I mean the combine. It's helpful to be a super
athlete. My man, my man is, is he?
He moved himself from the category of guys who were locked
in day three picks to pretty likely day two pick now, right?
Third round feels very likely for him now.
Running back 5 or 6 in the draft, maybe I.
Think I think I had him eight in my most recent.
Yeah. Rookie rankings.
I can. I can pull it up.
Who is five? It seems like there have been
4:00 and then a. Lot of others, I think it's it's
probably Caleb Johnson now. Yeah, it's Caleb Johnson.
OK, right at best, 5 at best. Five at best.
I've got I still. Have 4 at best.
I would say he's he. He's still alive to go forth.
Judkins. Judkins.
I had a fourth. Is it?
Right.
But I yes. Is it head?
Is it head in the sand of me to still have Devin Neil as my
running back? 6:00 AM I am I just being
stubborn? You're.
Definitely being a little bit stubborn, but I don't think it's
crazy. I like Devin Neil still.
I have him. I have Scataboo 6.
See that feels also head in the sand, but in a different.
You know what? I don't think it is head in the
sand. Because of the jumps.
Because of the jumps and I like went and looked at like rankings
post combine and like Renner still had him top 100 and like
guys who like it like Trevor Sickman's really in Escatibo and
like he was they were doing a mock draft.
He was gonna, I forget who was still on the board.
It was like, I think, oh, he took him ahead of Caleb Johnson
in in their post combine mock draft.
So. OK, well, that's preposterous.
I, I, It surprised me, but like, it's, it's not coming from like
the analytics side. It's more like, you know, the,
the like the real football, like where these guys like where are
these guys going to go? It's, you know, and somewhat
analytics, but it's like the, it's not the fantasy nerd side
is what is what I'm trying to say.
It doesn't seem like he's, you know, a day three guy for sure.
It seems like he's still around 3.
He's big. He has kind of a three down
profile. He's a really good receiver.
He doesn't have much, Yeah, he's, he's got no breakaway
ability, but you know, kind of the big, the big Eckler kind of
archetype is what you're hoping for there.
And if he gets third round capital, you know, taking him at
round one around pick 120 seems totally fine to me.
So like a pick behind ADP. But I was ready to fade him,
Man. I honestly, after the combine
didn't run, I was like, all right, it's going to kill a
stock, but it doesn't seem to have killed a stock.
In general, so Dallas is always, you know, mocked.
Take Genti or running back if Denver for this too.
If those teams wait until round two and pick Trayvon, Trayvon,
Henderson, or whoever it is instead, are they what?
What? What is that player's value
compared with like? Round round two, Round two,
Round three. Like if, if it like.
Let's say, let's say Genti last till pick 20 and goes to the
Steelers, which is like frankly not as impossible as you might
think. It's definitely possible.
Then that means that how about this, we have to recontextualize
actually the entirety of the rookie running back class
because one of the spots that had volume open, but maybe
wasn't that appealing was the Raiders.
The Raiders running back spot you now love because you're
like, they have a they have a competent NFL quarterback.
They have they're going to be a top five pace offense in the
NFL. Probably Chip Kelly.
Chip Kelly is one of the greatest running back like
running play callers, like the way he designs runs is
beautiful. They're the guys they have under
contract are Zamir White and and Sierra McCormick like literal
zeros like AS0AS0 can possibly be if they take Quin Shawn
Judkins in round two. I mean, frankly that like that's
what they should do. Probably would probably rather
have him than Josh Jacobs. Just putting my cards on the
table really. I think that Omarion Hampton
Quin, Shawn Judkins and and Trayvon Henderson as well are
are some of the best pick, some of the best picks in in best
ball right now. Hampton's going to go first
round, but could easily go to like the Broncos.
You know, the Steelers would would make sense.
He could land in like a he could go he could honestly, dude,
Gentie could go 6 to the Raiders and Hampton could go 12 to the
to the Cowboys. That would not surprise me at
this point. People love Hampton, so I'm I'm
pretty into Hampton. We we have him at 39 now.
So we're yeah, we're pretty bullish.
But Judkins, like he could, he's going to pick 69.
He could easily be a third round pick by the end of it.
I I want to, I want to give a little bit of color to this.
The 2016 San Francisco 49ers. Everyone forgets that Chip Kelly
coached the 49ers for a year. I forget it all the time.
They were awful. One of one of the worst teams of
all time. They win two games.
Carlos Hyde, a legitimate ass player, 217 rushes, 988 yards
and 13 games with 27 receptions. He scores 9 touchdowns.
I mean we're talking, we're talking running back one numbers
on a 2 and 14 team like the Raiders.
Take one of these rookie guys. It is to the to the moon for
that. Yeah.
And it's most likely the Raiders I would say are most likely to
get Genti, Henderson or Judkins. I don't think Hampton so much to
the Raiders because he won't make it to the early Round 2, I
don't think, and I doubt they take him at six.
So specifically for the Raiders, I would say Hampton's unlikely
to go, but Hampton could go somewhere else really nice in
the first round. Denver is pretty I mean Raiders,
Cowboys, Broncos, Raiders at six.
They should not be drafting a running back.
But if they do, Denver is Denver does.
Does the running back Denver selects just cancel everybody
else in that backfield and play all the time or do they still do
Denver things? I think he does a little bit of
Denver stuff, but that there's like a clear, you know, it's
like a 65% snapshare kind of role.
I don't think he hands, it's not McVeigh.
He's not going to do like 8590% of the snaps going to the
running back. I, I, I don't see Peyton doing
that, but he seems to like have been shaken by how badly this
running backroom looked last year.
He's like, oh, I thought I could just kind of piece it together,
but I guess it's actually pretty nice to have some talented
players in the backfield. So I, I think he would lean on
his top guy, you know, and, and it wouldn't be like a rotation
if they take a guy. I mean, if they take a guy in
the first round and Hampton, the part of the appeal of Hampton is
that you can load him up with touches.
Big guy, workhorse. So there's there's also Chicago,
I think for a running back and they have picks 39 and 41.
They're still winning from the Carolina trade.
So would that be logical for a running back in one of those two
picks, whether that's Henderson and Judkins for the Bears?
And I can see them going after both archetypes because meaning
they could go with Henderson and kind of use him as like a as a
swift replacement where they could go with like a Judkins,
you know, and and use him more as like the early down hammer.
And then Swift is like, you know, the sometimes in the
doghouse receiving back. But I mean on and it frankly,
they could go would I be surprised if they were to take
Judkins and then come back and get a Marcus yarns in the in the
sixth round or something? They could easily do that.
Yeah, not not, not not surprised at all.
Is this the longest Twitter has ever been down?
There's been times where it's been down longer long time ago.
I mean, this is we're talking like 6-7 years ago probably it's
been down this long. Yeah.
We talked about Devante Adams for a minute.
What is? What is your opinion on his ADP
after? The I moved him way up.
I think I moved him up like 20 spots.
Damn, He's he's going to play half his games in a Dome.
Then there's there's a huge in my mind, there's two huge drop
offs at wide receiver. So big drop off after T Higgins.
I think to the next tier of guys that I I didn't.
Say it's before T. You could argue it either way,
you know, like London lad, whatever.
Then I think there is like I think after Marvin Harrison,
Mike Evans at wide receiver 19, wide receiver 20, I think
there's like a Cliff to Devonta Smith, Jameson Williams, those
guys. Like I think it's like
legitimate, like I, I, I would have like a 30 point gap in my
head or something. Those those groups of players,
maybe. I I don't think that I think
Smith is a pretty solid pick. You're not into him.
Oh, I think he's, I think he's fine.
But in terms of like, can this guy score 280 points?
Sure. No chance right?
Like super low volume, Not the wider super one on his team.
I think Adams leapfrogs those guys.
I think Adam's leapfrogs. Jameson.
Jameson Williams. Yeah, for sure, Jameson.
Yeah, Flowers and Smith and Smith flowers.
Flowers. Yeah, like I just, I just want
him over those guys. I, I have them, I think we have
them in the exactly the same. I've got them at 40 now about
six to seven picks ahead of ADP. See, I see them pretty
similarly, yeah. Davis, you're talking from wide
receiver 27 to about wide receiver 20.
I moved him up. I believe I'd have to pull up my
rankings, but I I believe I moved him in between where I
have Marvin Harrison Junior and Mike Evans ranked.
I have them after both guys. We're pretty high on Harrison,
man. I I love the idea of Adams
there. I think he's still good.
And with Puka and with Stafford and with McVeigh, that should
that should be 10 touchdowns, I think.
Adams, Yeah, out there. I think Adams is, it's something
they've been trying to do for a few years and this time I think
it'll actually work. Matt Harmon just had his
reception perception stuff out on the the free agent class and
I only looked at the chart. I did what he said not to do.
I I just looked at the chart and didn't read the write up yet.
But you know, I was preparing for ADP chasing.
Give me a break. But the chart looked pretty
good. The chart looked pretty good and
he was you know, I from from watching him and and tracking
the stats last year, I would thought Adams was still pretty
good. Not peak Adams, but not someone
I'm like thinking is dust. He he is like not in the same
category to me as the Hopkins, you know, Keenan Allen crew,
like he still has something left in the tank, I think.
The, I mean, Korean you and I've talked about this a lot, but The
thing is, is that we the the old guys are not dust until they are
you. Know until they are yeah, black.
Marble, the black marble thing. Yeah, yeah.
So like my my opinion, my opinion is your base rate
assumption should be that he's still good, but you can't be
surprised if you pull the black marble.
Exactly, not a guy to have a gigantic bag of but in like the
fourth round seems fine to me. Adams.
Building a portfolio? I'm in, I'm into it.
In a vacuum, Adams or Ted McMillan.
Oh, Adams. I have Adam slightly ahead now.
Yeah. Oh, Doomsday is in there too and
I I like drafting him. I like I like drafting a
doomsday too, but part of the reason I like drafting a
doomsday is just to set up Caleb stuff.
Like I don't know if I love a doomsday's cost in a vacuum.
Is there a how? How much chance is there for him
to have like an explosion year? Pretty, high, pretty.
High. Really high.
Yeah, I mean, I think that's honestly that's why we're
drafting a Doomsay. Like if you think about what is
most likely, he's a bad pick. If you think about what's most
likely, he's probably going like the 6th, 7th round.
But if you think about what the ceiling here is, the ceiling is
the offense is running through a Doomsay by the end of the year
and it's a Ben Johnson offense. So you know, that's pretty good.
That's pretty good. So it's it's kind of like how
how likely you think that is, is how much Odoons that you should
have, I think. Pat, we do probably have
different timelines to an extent, but my Twitter is back
up and I've got like 7 tweets in a row from Jacob.
So things are working in Canada. Twitter maybe has been working
in. Canada Today Twitter Canada's
crushing it right now. A lot of a lot of a lot of NHL
trade deadline tweets from Jacob Bunch.
Bunch of guys. Bunch of guys with Finnish names
changing rosters on $300,000 contracts.
There is a Jake Sanderson on the Senators and there was a Josh
Norris on the Senators who was traded to Buffalo on Friday.
So welcome to Buffalo, Josh Norris.
Jake Sanderson plays for the US men's hockey team and scored a
scored a goal. He did score in the Four
Nations. He did, he did.
But Jacob, you guys know him. Jacob is Jacob, not Jake.
Yes, correct. Yeah, very important to point.
That out now Dan Moore signs a four year deal with the Titans
Left tackle. Best left tackle on the market
since Ronnie Stanley did not hit free agency again.
The Patriots were reported to offer $80 million.
They were going to. They were going to double up
that deal, he said. He said no.
And move them to wide. Receiver, this is like this is
like one of these shitty Major League Baseball teams that just
like they can't get any free agents because no one wants to
play there and they end up signing the guy to like a
ridiculous. I, I mean, I know this because
my Kansas City Royals have been in this spot many times where
like they have to offer like $20 million more than what another
team would. Offer They just signed Carlton
Davis. The Patriots just got Carlton
Davis. They can only get defensive
players. Seems bad.
Seems pretty bad. Yeah.
I mean, someone who's rude against the Patriots for his
entire career, This is this is fun.
Someone who really likes Drake May would like to see him
succeed. Not not so fun, but overall I'm,
I'm kind of, I'm kind of giggling.
I mean, this is making me a little giddy.
What should New England do at 4:00?
Travis owner if they can. Yeah, I, I think, I think it's
going to go in some order, Carter, Hunter and Ward,
probably Ward for. Me too, but me too.
So then I think you take Membu offensive tackle, offensive
tackle. That would be that would be I
think you could also like you could take will Campbell and be
like we're going to try and tackle.
And if if we need to kick him to guard, we also don't have
guards. Like I guess that's that's in
play. You could take tet because
literally no receivers in the league will sign with you.
And so you need to get them through the drafter trade.
So I think he's still in play, but he's his stock seems to have
fallen. Maybe he works out a little bit
at the pro day and and revives it, but I would be surprised at
this point if he were to go that high.
So you probably take the tackle You you take membu, I think.
Wide receiver in round two, maybe, by the way, round.
Two maybe, yeah. If I may, my one my weekday show
WGR in Buffalo on the Odyssey app Wednesdays at 4 most weeks,
sometimes 5 Eastern with Chris Trapasso of CBS Sports where we
talk about a lot of these prospects.
It's not fantasy driven, so sorry, but it will include some
defensive players. But if you're interested, it's
always a good conversation. I have Wednesdays with Chris.
Chris knows a lot of these the the prospects very well.
And another Buffalo boy. And another boy.
We just keep coming at you fallers, Pat.
Fallers. Yep.
Noah Gray, Tez Johnson, Evan Ingram, Isaiah Bond.
You guys talked about Ingram for a minute.
I always thought his presence was holding their offense back,
holding Lawrence back, you know, too easy.
A bad player? OK, to put it bluntly.
So I still kind of like Lawrence idea, but we talked about it
earlier. What are they doing?
What about Ingram in terms of a landing spot?
Like does it matter? He he's got to be a faller.
He has to be a faller because I actually going back to our boy
Jacob Sanderson, he's made this point that like it's very
unlikely that he's going to sign with another team who's willing
to like subvert their offense to just feed him targets.
You know, he'll have to become like, so he met with the Broncos
today. I mean, imagine this player in a
60% route share, like third in line.
It's it's so bad. Yeah, I don't know.
I think he'd be OK on the Broncos, frankly.
I mean, he would get targets, you know.
So you think about the best spot was the was the Bengals, which
is they brought back Kasiki, so that's over.
So yeah, he should fall a little, but like you're telling
me, like pick 1:50-ish. No, he's, he's a good.
He's a good. Yeah, he's a good pick.
Yeah, I think he's a good pick. Like he's a receiver with tight
end eligibility and he's going to get, he's going to get a
role. You know, he's not, he doesn't
stink as a real life NFL player. He's not like he's not moving
the needle on your offense, but he's going to find a spot where
he earns targets. And yeah, those targets will be
3 yards downfield, but you know, it's half point PPR or full
point PPR. One 46148 So end of 12 early 13.
He's right there with Jake Ferguson and Kyle Pitts.
Let's go with Kyle Pitts. I mean, I know it's a whole,
it's always a bit on these shows, but I mean, I'm not
taking Evan Ingram over Pitts. Until Kyle, until Kyle Pitts
gets retired, I I'm going to keep taking.
Him. Let's go right?
Just one of these times. How?
Bad. How bad can Kyle Pitts, Tight
End 18, really be? How bad can it be really?
Versus. I would, you know, I know this
is impossible. I really would like to just Fast
forward to December right now and get Davis's reaction to see
how bad it was, because I I think it could be pretty bad.
To see his first touchdown of the year.
Like situational situational deep threat tight end 3 for a
run heavy offense. Like, I know if you gave me the
power to time travel, I shouldn't use it for a smash cut
to Davis's reaction, but I I'm just being honest.
You, you get severed, you control, you know, you start to
get to a point where you're reintegrating.
And controlling. You want to you want to jump
ahead to December just for this one thing.
Don't tell me anything else. It'd be too, too much.
Don't tell me anything else about this season.
Just tell me that I. Just need this March.
March March 2026 How bad can Round 20 Kyle Pitts really be?
How bad? I mean, how bad?
This sums it up beautifully. Free Kyle Pitts has become Free
Kyle Pitts tough. Tough, tough, tough.
I mean, Jonny Smith just scored 8 touchdowns in a season.
Yeah. Yeah, Jonnu Smith is much better
than Kyle Pitts. Now much you know, it's just
Kyle Pitts is. Never mind he was a deep.
He was a deep threat tight end, you know, and I don't know if
it's the knee injury or what, but like he's not, I'm not
really getting deep. It's.
Not Pitts or Zach Hurts. Life depends on it.
What for? Like what?
What am I? Next year better better fantasy
season. Give me Zach Ertz.
Oh my God ertz is like locked in to like 87 receptions.
It's ceiling, right? Like if you're saying one of
them like is the guy you need, then I would still take ertz but
it would be closer. It turns out in the gauntlet it
was the guy I needed. Didn't have him.
Zach Ertz sadly, turns out, hey, while we're still here, I wanted
to throw something just as an aside by you guys.
So I told you I went to Philadelphia, New Jersey for the
weekend, last two days for baseball drafts and listening to
baseball podcasts. One in particular that I like
CBS on my drive, but a six hour drive and one guy was saying,
very familiar to listening to you guys over the years, man, a
few years ago, I, I felt like I had such an edge and now
everybody's too good. And then I went to my, my guys
in Philly and one guy in our group, we've been, this is a
fantasy baseball lead that goes back to 1981, which is pretty
good. One guy walks in, he's got a
Churchill Downs jacket and hat on.
And I made a joke to him, like, have you ever been to Churchill
Downs? He's got the hat and the jacket,
by the way, never do that. Never more than one logo at a
time. You you start.
To look like you work at Churchill Downs at a certain
point. One between us, only one logo
Max ever. Anyway, we start talking about
horse racing and he's like telling me stories about going
there and like, you know what, Mike?
Back in the day, you, you know who to talk to and get
information. You could make a killing.
Now it's impossible. Horse racing with the Internet,
it's everybody has access to the same stuff.
I mean, seems like that kind of crosses all across the sports
landscape. How do you guys feel about what
the edge is at this point in time?
Gotten so sophisticated shows like this and all the other good
work that's out in the in the space.
How really possible is it to feel like you know more than the
guy next to you A. Lot of the NFL level stuff is
kind of table stakes and I think a lot of the edges in building
teams that attack the format you're playing in.
You know, that's why we spent a lot of time on like, if you're
playing basketball mania, you got to play best ball mania.
Don't play a season long fantasy league in your in your best ball
mania, you know, bullets, you know, so understanding the
playoff structure, understanding the format that you're playing,
I think is is more important than ever.
And in some ways the NFL stuff, people, they get like so wrapped
up in the NFL stuff and so wrapped up in like what they
think is going to happen and overconfident and specific
outcomes, which I fall victim to as well.
But like that's, that's an easy trap to fall into as you're
studying the NFL. You're like, oh, oh, I know
what's going to happen with this team and that team and this
team. But being able to like, be open
to multiple potential outcomes in a game that rewards single
week upside for 3/4 of the tournament is pretty important.
David. I think it's, I think it's
knowing what you don't know, trying to trying to avoid trying
to avoid being cause some things you want to go with the market
on. Like I think there there are
certain spots to be like, yeah, you know, if the market has
decided this, I'll agree. But like you're, you're probably
not going to win a market based game agreeing with the market on
everything like 10 out of 10 times.
So you got it. But you have to pick and choose
where to to make your spots. I mean, frankly, last year was
like the least efficient the fantasy football market has ever
been. That's probably true.
It was the heaviest across the board that wide receivers had
ever been drafted. And it was the worst wider super
season, both in terms of actual points and of injuries in a
decade passing. The grand back season.
And, and there was It didn't. It didn't end this way, but for
a huge chunk of the season, rushes and passes were nearly
equivalent in EPA, which has not been true for a decade in
professional football. Yeah, although quarterback
rushing was a big part of that. Quarterback rushing was a big
part of it. And we're all sort of drafting
like we expect that to go back to normal.
I mean, it's not. I'm drafting, I'm drafting
running last year. I and I'm I'm not fighting it
like I'm taking yeah, I'm taking a 31.
Like Derrick Henry and Taquon Barkley are so obviously bad
picks that like failed 95% of the time.
But I just am unwilling to stake my whole season on on that
happening so. I'm being right about that.
There, there is also like, and this is something I I kind of
struggle with because I, if I don't like a guy, it's hard for
me to take him. But you can always try to draft
the best version of the Derrick Henry team.
Like my my Derrick Henry teams will be better than yours or
better than better than the average.
My Saquon teams are going to be better.
You know, that's how like you can kind of get yourself to do
it a little bit. Henry.
I struggle to take more than Saquon this year but as.
Tough as tough as that is Pat when it's so early like in big
board when we're we're sprinkling in these rookies with
no idea what the landing spots are or the draft capital like
that'll be AI think that'll be a little bit maybe goes without
saying, but a little bit easier to sort of say when we get to
July right like. I think it's easy for me, it's
easier to say now because I can talk myself into finding wide
receiver upside later, right? Like I'm going to, you know, I
was taking a lot of Christian Kirk and I still am down with
him. I think he's a really good pick
because he's available past pick 100 and is a starting wide
receiver, you know, and so now he's not like upside, but you
pay. Then you start to pair him with,
you know, your Luther burden, Mecca Buka, Matthew Golden like
that. You getting those guys in a
range where you can hit some, I mean, they could all be first
round picks. Each of them has a good chances
of being a first round pick. And so you, you know, I, I still
like Ted McMillan. So there's like ways to find
wide receiver upside at least a little bit later in the draft in
a way that's going to be harder to do in in July, right?
Like at the peak peak slappy ADP right before the the normies
come in in August. All these wide receiver upsides
can be priced up and it's it's just like because there's so
much more uncertainty now, you can at least be like on this
team. I mean, look, Travis Hunter, I'm
taking Travis Hunter in the in the one 20s.
He's he's upside. He's a lot of upside at wide
receiver. So if I pair him with, you know,
a Bucky Irving in the third round, Brace Hall in the third
round, Josh Jacobs, like all those guys, much easier for me
to take. And and you know, the guys ahead
of them as well, not not just this guy, but you, you go, OK,
I'm getting some touches. Kyron Williams at the 3-4 turn,
OK. And then I'm Cook, I'm going to
take, I'm going to take some upside swings of receiver and
put together A-Team that's going to look in August like, holy
shit, how did I put this together?
How about this question, guys? So what percentage of your teams
so far are are you starting three wide receivers versus last
year? Less.
Less way. Less I'm not even comfortable
it. It got to be like you said, the
the thing, the cool thing, the right thing.
Three wide receiver starts or more, 5-6 Now it looks sort of a
little bit of a concern to me to start with.
Three. You know, I'd kind of rather
not. I mean, first of all, Bowers and
McBride I think are awesome picks.
So you get yeah. So that immediately makes it
more difficult. But then, yeah, I mean, the the
running back prices are more expensive than last year, but
not overly expensive in a in a number of cases.
There's certain running backs I'm fading early.
But yeah, you can the the spot where I'm taking running or
taking receiver a lot is kind of like around, you know, four or
five sit like there's there's definitely a pocket where I want
to have my wide receivers at least in decent shape, you know,
before it dries up. But I don't, I don't feel the
need to like, look, I started it the other day.
I started with zero wide receivers through three, which I
normally don't like to do, but I'm like, let me see if I can
dig out of this. And I felt like I did.
Again, it takes you need to take on a little bit of risk.
I had Travis Hunter on that team.
I'm just like if Travis Hunter is a wide receiver as my wide
receiver 5 I think. Yeah, Pete's, Pete's, Pete's
Travis Hunter video worked on me.
I saw you write that in the in the discord.
Yeah, yeah. Kirk Ariser next week.
I mean Kirk. Kirk.
Reiser right now, but yeah, definitely.
Yeah, he should be. Although I think I would be
hesitant to chase him all the way up just because like what
are you like wide receiver 45 maybe is like the even that it's
like. I think it's fine man.
I honestly think it's fine. Like the digs role was pretty
good and Dell probably doesn't play all year.
I mean, Dell might just be done. Done, Yeah.
Yeah. So they could draft somebody,
but like he could. I mean, we kind of the issue
with Kirk last year is it's like you're taking Jacoby Myers in
the third round, but if you're taking Texans, Jacoby Myers,
Texans Jacoby Myers is like, you know, 8th, 9th round value.
So anything after that I'm in. Yeah.
I like the player too. All right, we'll see next week
on the show next Monday is Saint Patrick's Day.
Anybody up for doing the show at night?
I I do not work after 5:00 PM at the time show.
That's something you're going to have to learn about me.
I think I knew it 55 AMI have a better chance.
Than 555 AM you can pretty much count me in.
Yeah, right. Looks.
Like it could be festive. 5:00 AM I'm out.
So yeah, yeah. I wonder what we do at the
normal time. But I'll, we'll wear, we'll wear
a little green. I'll wear green, I'll wear
green. I've got a good, I've got a I'll
do the classic white guy move. I've got my Larry Bird 33 jersey
that all white guys are contractually obligated to wear
on Saint Patrick's Day. All right, it's a date.
What's coming up this week for You 2?
I'm doing a pod, the much promised pod with Eric Froton on
the rookie class recording on Wednesday.
So look for that going to be, let's see, I'm going to oh, I
got rookie content rolling out. I brought up the rookie
quarterbacks last week and I'll have some additional rookie
content rolling out this week as well.
Davis. Stream right after this it'll be
you'll you'll get you'll get directly sent there well maybe I
don't know Peter Peter is on an airplane right now so maybe you
won't but I am I'm streaming immediately after this there is
a dynasty rankings roundtable video on my channel and on past
channel with me him and Jacob we really only got through the
rookies on those so we. Yeah, we should do another one
soon. We should do another one of
those. I also have a big dynasty
rankings refresh that I need to that I need to get up, so I'll
have people hooked up with that soon.
Yeah, Minor minor, posted patreon.com/davis Matic.
Also, if you want dynasty rankings, they're up.
They're fresh there and I'll be. I'll be streaming big boards
every day this week. I will need that pretty soon.
FFPC dynasty cuts are the end of March.
So far it's still just pretty much every day waking up to a
couple of trade offers where you're always getting at least
one more player in the offer because cuts are tight.
You cut to 16 in those. Oh, you know what?
Let's we got a couple minutes here.
Shob, I'm going to make you, I'm going to make you sweat.
I've got a team. Actually, Shob, you're in this
league with me. Actually the $77 one where I
took over the orphan. So I have the the one O 1 and
the one O 2 with Bijan and neighbors already on this team.
Nice. Yeah, you're you're good in a
tight end too, I think. I have, I have Laporta.
I got offered MY3O2 to add on Isaiah Pacheco.
This, this is the FFPC format. So really it's it's like a
keeper league, not like a dynasty league.
It's best ball. It's best ball you.
You take your Gen. T already.
Yeah, so I have, I have Genti and Bijan.
So I think I just say no, right? And.
It's super flex and. It's super flex.
The thing with Pacheco is you're never getting out of that right?
Like you're and in these you could easily end up cutting
Pacheco. Like easily.
Yeah. They're shallow, man.
I got an offer in the same league today for Pacheco to give
up a pick for him. It's just one more other guy
I'll have to cut so. Yeah, yeah, he's getting caught.
I'm out. Your team is better than you
think. Or then you say your team is
better. Oh.
This this, this team is ready to cook this year.
It it's, it's ready. It's I I traded for like Kirk
Cousins and DAC when they were injured like it was a a multi
year tank. Cousins press dot when.
It's cut down May What's the deadline for those March. 31st.
Yeah, I need to take care of that.
Worthy neighbors Devante Smith, I traded your Christian Watson
in that league pitch. Kyle Pitts Kyle Pitts is now
Kyle Pitts is now on because his price got low enough.
He's now at the the bottom end of like every dynasty team I
have. You better get that third from
Pitts and FFPC because it might be.
Well, if you're here, if I'm in an FFPC dynasty league with you
and you're about to cut Kyle Pitts, send me a message because
I'll. Probably.
That. Morgan Moses, three years, $24
million with the Patriots. They got someone.
He was already in New York, right?
So Morgan, kind of cold, offensive line tackle, tackle.
He's, he was, you know, not exactly the prize, but he's a
functional player. At 30.
Four, if you were in the ship chasing Discord message step,
she has that easy spots available in her Rockstar league
for dispersal. I know it's very hard to be a
dynasty commissioner, so please help her out.
Top comment on the on the deal. Three years for Morgan Moses
Bros already like 35 crying emoji.
Well, well done Twitter. Twitter is back up, Patriots.
Way Patriots way, baby. For Davis and Pat, I'm Mike.
Thanks for watching and listening.
We'll see you next week. Yep, hang on, I'm going to get
the outro later.