Hi there, Mike Shope here from just outside Niagara Falls.
Buffalo warming up. Sun is out.
Today we recap the combine, tapping heavily into our hero's
depth of knowledge. Pat Koran and Davis Maddock on
these college players, what the events of the weekend will mean
or do already to their draft value in our world.
Also in the real world, Matthew Stafford stays in LA Debo Samuel
off to Washington. We'll spend a minute on the
latest quarterback buzz and veteran wide receivers.
There are a lot of them and it's kind of icky knowing what to do
or trying to figure out what to do with guys like Samuel.
Now. At least we know where he'll
play. Thanks for watching, listening.
Let's get right to it. ADP Chasing.
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your entries are going to lose anyway.
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It's. Anti cabal.
It's anti the best ball thought leader.
I'm obviously lying to some degree because like, I have a
lot of both of these guys. It's the most disgusting thing
you can make, but man. 1st with some ADP chasing news I got
clipped. Wow, Big Dave.
What a Raven crew. What a big color I.
Got. To do.
We just got to get more fights, Mike.
Wow, they love it. They do.
People do love it. Pat, your favorite thing about
it, and I think so was mine, was Davis's reaction in the middle,
like just sort of like, let him work it out?
Because Davis, we got Davis's attention.
I I had frankly completely forgotten that part of the lore,
the the, the Nathan Peterman part of the lore.
Oh, buddy. Yeah, that that had come.
I had memory wiped that beyond beyond memory.
Was was it the previous year where he threw like 4
interceptions 'cause I there's a live final that I was at that we
that he just like completely bombed.
So in 2017, offense is kind of scuffling.
Sean McDermott puts Peterman in over Tyrod Taylor for a game in
that soccer stadium the Chargers played at.
OK, yeah, one or two years and it was four or five picks in the
first half. I mean, it was like so bad.
And my point in the discord to you guys or to the to everybody,
I think maybe was if Peterman had been some percentage better,
this could have been really different here, like because he
did start Week 1 the next year, even though they had drafted
Allen. That's what we got, you know,
got into it about, I mean, I mean, probably a lot better, but
still within the range of outcomes because he had been
like, OK. Well, I mean the the the classic
example of a team actually sitting a guy, there's two, I
guess there's there's three right where the one that people
first come to mind is Patrick Mahomes.
But you get to the playoffs with Alex Smith, then you've got
Jordan Love sitting behind Aaron Rodgers is winning MVPS and you
have a Rodgers sat behind Farv. You know, I'm sure there's some
other examples, but most my point was really about you got
to be good, you got to be making the play offs, you got to be
like in the MVP race and stuff. And I do think that the Peterman
line from what he was to where he needed to get it was just too
far. It's just, it's just a lot to
ask. The best was so Alan gets hurt
in 18 and Peterman gets a start against Chicago and it's the end
of the first half. It's 28 to nothing.
Bears and the Bills have they get a penalty, so they've
untimed down in the first half inside the bear is 40, so it's a
Hail Mary. Like it's 28 to nothing.
It's always it's Hail Mary if it's nothing to nothing and the
Peterman takes the snap, guys run down the field and he just
runs. I mean, is he going to score?
Is he trying to score on that? There's no lateral.
It's just a 24 yard run. Goes into the history books.
I do always love that move. Super Bowl court.
Super Bowl winning quarterback Jalen Hurts sat behind Carson
Wentz after being drafted in the second round.
Obviously the math switches a little bit when they're a second
round pick actually. That's part of it too, yeah.
Well, you know what's interesting?
You're actually more incentivized to start the second
round guy early on because you've got one less year to
decide if he's any good or not. And Wentz being the one O 2 was
in was in the wind there as opposed to like Alex Smith.
Right. Yeah.
It's just, it's just that once you take a guy that high, people
start clamoring and they they were in a position where they
weren't really clamoring for Hertz.
But then once you played Hertz, it's like, oh.
OK. You could do the Hertz, the
Hertz pick. It was pretty shocking, wasn't
it? How do you remember that?
Like just for what? I mean nobody that everybody
loved. All the dumbest people on earth
were like I can't believe that they would take Jalen hurds and
then everyone that is considered sharp by everyone else was like
good pick. Can never have too many
resources at quarterback. I was on Team Dumb for for a
minute until Kevin Cole wrote an article that changed my mind.
I was give him credit there because he he saw what they were
doing and you know, investing in the quarterback trying to get
trying to give him themselves as many outs.
I give, I give you, I give you a pass because you don't watch
college football at all. So to you, Taylor Hurts was just
like another guy off the assembly line.
So if you don't watch college football at all, maybe you're
like, well, what is happening? I was confused.
I was like what Wentz is, and I thought Wentz was better than he
was. So I was like, what you have
Wentz, what are you doing? But the fact that they had Wentz
and then still took another shot is actually, as we saw, very
sharp. Yeah, for a lot, for a long time
here in Buffalo, my thing was just draft a quarterback with
every pick. I don't even care anymore.
You don't have a franchise guy. And it peaked.
It peaked in 2012. You guys remember TJ Graham?
Oh, yeah. Wide receiver TJ Graham.
Oh, yeah, Yeah. So yeah, it's the first round,
then the second round, and there's Russell Wilson in the
third round. Like guys just, and of course,
you know, years go by and then the Bills tell you like, they
really wanted Russell Wilson. They really wanted Dak Prescott
too, in his year, but he just went what?
Yeah. Around 4 so they they picked TJ
Graham and Ryan Fitzpatrick, threw him some passes and then
they just turned it over again. Well, both of you guys are fans
of teams that that really don't need.
They're like, you know, but there's like four teams that
like, don't need to be doing this at all.
You guys are fans of two of them.
But you know, but you know, even good teams historically will
take guys on day three the the Patriots, Patriots, the Patriots
just did this and did this and did this and they just
continuously turn a profit on. It Yeah, it's true, by the way.
Ryan Mallet. Kevin O'Connell.
They they got a second for Jimmy
G, You got a freaking second for Jimmy G, who I think he started
like three games his whole Patriots career.
Did they get anything for Berset?
They drafted him too. I want to say.
They got a start for the Colts. I want to say they got a fourth
for him but I would probably need to Fact Check that.
Well, I was going to ask are are are there guys in this year's
class that you're if you, if you were or if you're just trying to
do the turn of profit thing? I think, I think the eligible
like Dart is not eligible. He's probably going late.
First round, he's going. In the first round.
Yeah. They stay woke, stay woke.
Dart haters stay. Woke.
I think I Chuck is borderline. Give me OK, enough, enough of
the Tyler Shuck man. He's 26 some I.
Think he's 27. I think he turns 27 before this
season. I just, I, I turn on my streams
every week and there's always at least one guy in there who's.
A Oh no. You're taking can't believe
you're taking dart when Shuck is on the board dude.
Can't believe you're such a a a a dart slappy when you could be
a Shuck slappy. The Shuck thing is crazy because
like, he's he was never like that good.
Like his final season's like, fine like.
He's 27 and he has 3000 college passing yards total.
Not in a season total. It's like.
To be fair with this Chucky, he's 25, but he does turn 26 in
September, so yeah. We're really trying to rush him
along, aren't we? Yeah, yeah, I'll tell you.
I'll tell you the number one guy that I'd won if I was AGM is it
is if this, if Jalen Millro really is going to be a guy, you
can pay a developmental quarterback price for it.
Just get him in my building if you can, even even even around
3, like I don't really care what my quarterback situation is if
he's a round three pick. I mean the tool like he's bad,
but you know, get him in your building, get him coached up.
He doesn't have to start. There's no pressure.
Just like get him in my building bro.
It sounds like that sounds like Malik Willis.
Exactly. Sure.
And I would have done the same thing with Willis.
The guy So from a fantasy perspective, I'm interested in
Millroe. If he ever gets starts, we're
going to be, you know, like min min salary DFS.
Like we're we're jamming Millroe naked.
Deshawn. Deshawn Kaiser.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, exactly.
Malik Willis is kind of what I think he probably is going to
be. And it makes sense to take a a
shot on him because he's got some, you know, the tools are
there for sure. But the dude, if you want to go
real boring, if you want to go the Patriots model and try to
find your Jimmy G and and look, I mean, backup quarterbacks are
really valuable. You know the the Dolphins wish
they had a backup. Quarterback having a backup
quarterback that you pay $400,000 to.
Like people have been talking about this Joe Milton trade and
I'm like, do you know how good of a deal it is to pay your
backup quarterback $400,000 instead of $6 million?
It's huge. Exactly.
So I'm intrigued by Dylan Gabriel.
Dylan Gabriel, who I just think Dylan Gabriel can play, man.
He's, I was digging into his profile like 3 different
schools. Now he's a bit of an older guy
too, but he was like good at all the schools and sometimes great.
And he's like, he's too short and he's like, he's like 200 lbs
and his arm's not like great. It's like it's probably an NFL
arm, but it's not a good NFL arm.
Keep talking, talking. Into it, but this dude was just
like, he's just a good quarterback.
He's mobile. He's like able to actually like
run an offense. I think you have like at least a
backup quarterback. And then like what if, what if
he's like, you know, you think you're getting old Andy Dalton,
but what if he's young Andy Dalton?
You know, this guy started for a long time and you could get this
guy in round three. I think that that would be my my
low, my high floor guy. If if Noro's the high ceiling,
he's the high floor. Kyle McCord would probably would
cut would probably be my like it's round 5 the the day three
running back we wanted got taken 4 picks ahead of us.
Yeah Zach making the note of the the will Howard people.
I mean will Howard and I went to the same college.
I would love to be biased towards him, but he's really not
very because he doesn't even have the if you're not going to
be real toolsy and you're not going to be real accurate and
you're not going to be real precise, you better be like
insanely accurate. And he's also not that so.
Well, that that's why I like Gabriel.
I think he's the poor man's Bryce Young.
Bryce Young is like the closest comp that comes up for him
statistically, but I think he's more, he's less of like got to
scramble around and make plays and more I think can do it in
structure is my is my hope. But I think he's less, he's less
gifted physically, which isn't great.
Did the did the combine do anything to the quarterback
pecking order I. Don't think so.
No, it it did. It did because now, now it's
popular to say Dart is going to go ahead of Shudur or should go
ahead of Shudur. That was not a.
Popular mistake. This was my take last week.
The idea that Shudur had nothing to gain was nuts.
People were like so awful on this and and it's not to hate on
Shudur. I saw like comments, people went
out like he's going to prove you're wrong as going #1 like if
you want to go #1 then maybe throw at the combine show that
you can do it, compete. Like he sat there and his stock
dropped. It was, I don't think you should
do that if if you're not the quarterback one in a class like
you shouldn't sit on on your draft stock and assume it can't
go down. He should have at least thrown,
he should have at least went out.
There Yeah, yeah, who cares about the drills just.
Throw Yeah, because because Dart went out there and threw and did
his little, you know, spin moves or whatever and everyone's like
right, pretty good. He made he made this one really
great throw over towards the sideline and I was like, I don't
think I don't think chitter can make that throw, which is like
all right, because the only reason I was into dart to begin
with was just because the market was off.
Like I thought there's a good chance you know how this
happens. The market is kind of off on
something and you're like, oh, I'm going to start taking this
guy and then. And then all of a sudden he's
like. Well, you have to start to you
got exactly you have to defend the position.
You're like, This is why I'm right.
And now I'm like learning about Jackson Dart and like watching
Jackson Dart and I'm like, he's kind of pretty good.
I got to say I, I might have said it last week when it came
up. I, I think the Sanders thing is
an overreaction. Just like, you know, he's going
to have his pro days, he's going to throw to receivers he's
thrown to before and like everybody on on Saturday.
And I mean, he's saying. Yeah, it'll probably be fine.
He he, he probably I don't he's going to be quarterback 2 at
worst. There's still I.
Don't think that's. I don't think that's true, man.
I don't think you can say it worst, no.
I mean there's a lot of love for dart.
There's been 3 darts this whole time.
There's, you know, dart is a polarizing prospect, but the
people who like him really like him.
And you only need a team, one team to be like this is our guy.
That's the thing. Where do you want a player like
Sanders? I mean, is he, he's going to
need time? Is he that?
Is he Week 1 starter? I think he kind of is a guy who
needs time. Like the cops that came up for
me were were guys who actually really struggled in their rookie
seasons and then like you maybe got a little bit from them
later. I, and from a, I'm looking at
this through more of a fantasy lens, so struggling to me is
like, you know, how many fancy points per game did you produce?
But it's a little bit like, you know, he, he takes sacks you,
you worry about it. There's like, you know, he
creates, but he sometimes creates mistakes outside of
structure too. So you worry about that part of
it. And then how does he score?
How does he contribute positively not he doesn't have a
big arm. So it's not like a ton of like
big time downfield throws. He's not he's, he's mobile in
the sense that he can move around.
But he, well, you know, you know, the spot where he'd, he'd
be good for fantasy would be the Giants, because he'd just get to
throw to neighbors. Yeah, I think that would be OK.
You you need volume, you need volume and and kind of what I'm
getting as I think as a rookie, he could struggle to get enough
volume, You know, because they're trying to work him in
slowly and actually in year two or three, he kind of reigns in
some of the bad stuff and they put more on his plate.
All of a sudden now he's pretty good fantasy quarterback would
be, I think kind of the general trajectory that that he strikes
me with now. Maybe he lands in an awesome
situation and it's good right away.
He is so cheap in the big board that I do take him, but I but he
does he worries me. I.
I you know where I don't want to see him, It would be if the
Titans do this trade down, they trade down from 1 and they end
up picking it like 7 or something and they're like, all
right, whatever, we'll just take him.
It's like, OK, he's thrown to Calvin Ridley and.
Yeah. Don't worry about I, I wouldn't
worry about that. The the optics of a team trading
down and then drafting their quarterback.
Just like, you know, I just take him in the in the first place.
That's so true. That's so true.
That's a great point, Mike. EJ Emanuel with the The Saint
Louis Rams. Jeff Fisher, they traded down
and then drafted manual like OK, I mean you didn't want to draft
them at like 7, I get it, but you're.
Still, PJ Manuel? That's your guy, right?
Yeah, the the bill traded with the Rams, Tavon was who the Rams
wanted. And then yeah, I wouldn't want
to do that. What what's Pittsburgh in this
like the the Giants thing? It's not going to be Matthew
Stafford 5 seconds after that news.
It's like, OK, Aaron Rodgers, we're going to try for that now.
I tell you, I tell you, I mean, Justin Fields is going to be the
starter for the Steelers. But I tell you what they I think
would have loved to have sat at 21 or 22 and taken Mr. Golden.
And I think that option, I think that option got removed for
them. So they're looking at Ebuka at
best. Pittsburgh.
Yeah, yeah. And.
I hope they they take dart that would be I don't want them
taking a receiver that that's where receivers go to die.
Yeah, they're always good at drafting wide receivers, though.
I know, but I mean. The players become crazy for
some reason the the Steelers draft you.
You put up a huge year right away and then you go nuts.
The Steelers, The Steelers organization is great at
identifying receivers. When I say they that's where
they go to die, I mean more the Arthur Smith offense.
That's that's why I don't want them to draft a receiver.
So when I get to Golden here, I mean you talk about what Sanders
may have lost may have by not throwing participating.
What about Ted McMillan this week and did Golden possibly
pass him? I think the fact that Golden was
the only wide receiver who like smashed the combine, who was in
the first round conversation means it kind of netted out
neutral. Like maybe I actually think
these reports, I don't remember if it was Kuiper, Mcshea tweeted
that he was talking to guys of the combine and they were like
Golden's number one on our board.
We we like him more than than Tet.
I think that is possible. I don't think I'd do that if I
was a GM. Davis, sorry, just what was he
as a college player like there's not 1000 yard season.
What are we? What are you doing with that?
So like he was really productive really early at Houston, but he
was teammates with Tank Del as a true freshman.
So Tank Del obviously turned to this awesome NFL player.
So you forgive him a little bit for that.
Then he gets injured the next year at Houston.
Then he transfers to this Texas team that Isaiah Bond
transferred to, that Silas Bolden who led Oregon State,
transferred to that Amari Niblack from Alabama transferred
to. They have the all these great
running backs. They have this terrible
quarterback and then they have this very spreadsheet socialist
offense where they they chop and change guys.
I mean, the reports were so like, if you use like college
basketball, fantasy football, like as an analog, like, what
did the market expect those guys to do?
Golden was outside the top 200 picks in college basketball last
year. He was going after Bond.
He was going after this guy. Silas Bolden winds up not
playing at all. Frankly, I think after watching
Worthy and Mitchell play in the NFL now I know Mitchell kind of
had like his head seems to not be in the game, but he clearly
is awesome at getting open. I, I am of the opinion, and it
does not seem like this is a popular opinion, that that I'm
almost don't care what guys do at Texas in the last three
years. I I like almost don't care.
Why are there still Quinueurs bulls that that's the part of it
that it just like I there's there's still stuff like, Oh my
God, you could get Quin ewers in in round two.
This is crazy like he he's he might be the best quarterback in
the class. Like this guy.
Doesn't he clearly suck? My God, I really don't.
Get it? I mean, if Golden, if Golden
goes in round one and then plays well as a rookie, you you got to
be looking at Quin Ewers like brother, what is going on?
What is the deal? Here there's a common
denominator, here I don't I really don't understand it.
But yeah, I mean gold golden to me.
When we first looking at mock drafts and big boards, it was
like tet #1 Luther burden #2 and now I've I feel like it's it's
almost Burden who might have lost now Burden was was pretty
fast. I was.
Gonna say he had a good combine. Yeah, he was.
I think he had a 441. So it's like, not that he didn't
run well, but Burden was more like the the star recruit.
You know, he had a good 2023, disappointed 2024.
And so you're kind of like you're living on some of the
earlier like, well, we all know Burden's good.
But it's like more and more people come into the process
that like don't know that Burden is good.
It might he might not convince them of that.
And Golden seems to be convincing people who like,
yeah, we didn't, we didn't really think much of this guy.
But as new people come into the process, they're like, give me
that guy. I so I think Golden, even if he
doesn't flip Tet looks to be really making a case to be the
wide receiver two. Maybe Igbuka is a wide receiver
2 and he's a wide receiver 3. But, but I mean, if you want
like the tool, I guess why I'm comparing him to Burden
specifically is like he's like kind of that, you know, one
92200 LB guy who's like, you know, kind of the well, he's
he's a shifter, you know, athletic guy.
Rorschach test prospects. You know exactly what IGBUCA is
going to be. IGBUCA is coming in.
Just give me like a pretty fine slot wide receiver, you know?
Reliable. Reliable, yeah.
I don't think he's likely to be like a star, whereas like
Golden's got, I don't know, 6% chance to become a star in the
NFL or something like that. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Burden, Burden I like too.
I mean, Burden I I, I think I am.
I started out high when he was a sophomore.
Then I was like, why is this guy getting out?
Produced by Theo Wheeze. Then I just did some more
reading and like all the all the film guys were like, everyone at
Missouri is idiots. He's fine and he tested well and
the the NFL, you know, intelligentsia seemed to be
pretty in on him. So I'm I'm pretty in on him.
But golden, I mean, I moved golden up.
I golden. I already had 10 spots ahead of
ABP. We've been hiding my.
Rankings and I moved him up 15 more spots after that.
Golden Golden was a really easy kind of steam candidate.
I think where it's like he's got the he's going to get the draft
capital. Even if he wasn't first round,
he was going to be second round and that's been clear for a
while now. I think he's he's now like, is
he mid first? Is he, you know, top 15 that
that's all pretty live. Now, well, the the The funny
thing is that Corinne, I think you guys at leg up or not on
this, but I was taking a lot of bond being like.
No, yeah, he's. Gonna go, he's gonna go to the
combine and the same thing that's happening to Golden's
gonna happen for him. And then he literally, I mean
don't ever remember a guy running 4/4 ruining his career.
Before a bond, bond. Running 44 legit like he's going
round 6 now. Just keep your mouth shut.
Yeah, man, he's I, I didn't, I didn't really see it with Bond.
Bond was one of those profiles that's like, you know who
brought this is a weird comp, but it is a Texas comp.
But Bond is like a little bit the Jatavian Sanders of of this
class where it's like he's like it's like draft capital and
athleticism. And then you're like, oh, the
athleticism isn't what I thought.
And then the draft capital is dependent on the athleticism and
it's all, it all comes crashing down.
It's like a so one of those mortgage-backed this is the big
Short. Yeah.
I, I like the comp. I thought you were going to go
Whittington where it was like Whittington was there with all
these other guys who were way better than him and never did
anything. But maybe the fact that he was
there with all the guys who are better than him is, is hiding
it. And that I, I mean, who knows?
I my, my bond bags are what they are.
I can't. I think it's like a if he's, if,
you know, if he falls and falls, I think he's he's fine, But he
just didn't, I don't know. I just didn't see him as
belonging with these guys. I just felt like the the case
around his draft capital was pretty thin because I wasn't
hearing a lot of like, oh, Isaiah Bond, He jumps out To me.
It was more like a leftover from kind of the college evals.
I mean, draft capital will be big.
Thinking of Jayvon Baker last year and likes him in that
second round area, you know, in the NFL draft.
And so many of those guys went. He caught one pass last year for
a desperate New England team. So just back to McMillan for a
minute. What if anything, did he cost
himself? Like is he still They'll have
the pro day and maybe he's the same but maybe not.
Yeah, I don't think it was a good sign.
I mean, I think he he could have like if he had a 45540 sorry,
455 A 36 inch vert, like 120 inch broad jump and then skips
the agilities. I think he's the people like
check, he's good. It the fact that he didn't work
out is like a little it's a little concerning to me.
I did like actually in his measurements, he has 10 inch
hands and I think a decent part of his profile is to be like
that super reliable kind of intermediate target that just
catches everything. He's Drake London and yeah, and,
and it's help if you're trying to be Drake London, it's
helpful. It's helpful to have 10 inch
hands. I think, you know, so kind of
playing the power forward like like basketball role.
So I actually came away from, from and the thing with Ted
McMillan is like, OK, so you get the, you have, you have the
production profile that you're looking for.
And then you also have a guy who was a legit recruit because like
one of the things you you'd be afraid of with Ted Mcmillan's
prospect profile is that like he didn't go to one of these big
time schools, but he was a big time recruit and decided that he
wanted to play with his high school quarterback.
And he went and did that. And then he had opportunities to
transfer and he didn't do that. That's like, at no point was he
like not on great school's radar.
He could have played for a big time program.
That was a personal choice. And so I.
Tried to give him a bunch of NIL money to leave with Noah Fafita
and he did. I don't know why I I didn't read
into it enough to know why he didn't.
But both he and Fafita stayed at at Arizona.
Smells like a guy who people are going to say doesn't love
football quite enough. I think he loves playing.
He he said he was like really proud that like it had been some
crazy number of you like eight straight years or something that
he'd caught a touchdown pass from Noah Fafida and that like
that just like made him really happy.
They're like best friends. I think he I mean to me, it's
like I want to, I want to play football and environment where I
like, I love it, you know, that's.
Maybe not, maybe not love football, but, and I'm not going
to be the one saying it, it's just sort of the the descriptors
here. Maybe he'll be a guy like, does
he want to be great? You know, like it.
Does he, does he, does he have that dog in him?
Does he the dog? Yeah, but it's a it's a profile
to me where if he goes like 4 to the Patriots, I'm obviously
super psyched. Good for the Drake Maybags if he
goes like you know, to the Cowboys at 12:00 AM I worried
about that fall. No, no, I'm not worried about
that fall. Like I, I don't if he would, if
he goes to the, if he falls to like the late 1st or the second
round, then I would be like, OK, I, I thought this guy was like
kinda in the mix for, you know, the top picks.
And that's a long fall, but kind of anywhere in that general
range. I, I'm still in.
And I honestly, if someone wants to take gold, if the Saints want
to take golden ahead of them, good for them.
Like I I'm not gonna Ding McMillan.
God, please. Fantasy perspective.
Not that golden, please not to the same.
Fan It does seem like something they do right.
It does. It sounded perfect.
You said it. And then there's Travis Hunter,
by the way, who, you know, where does he go at this point?
I left the combine feeling more bullish about him playing wide
receiver than I did coming into it.
Me too. Everybody said it like.
Everybody said it. Me too.
The the the execs start filing into Indianapolis and he's going
to be a corner at the combine. That's kind of what the vibe
was. And then starting with the
Browns, one team after another came out like he's our wide
receiver one. I mean either directly or just
and the scenes they were all saying that.
So damn. I mean, he's the one O 1 I think
I want. I want him to be the first
overall pick. In the actual draft.
Yes. Yeah, He, I, I mean, Karina's
talked about this before, though, is that if you're AGM
who takes him, you better be really confident in your job
because either like being an OK wide receiver and an OK
cornerback fired. Being being a really good corner
but not playing any at all at wide receiver, fired, Being a
pretty good wide receiver but not a great wide receiver, no
cornerback fired. There's a lot of scenarios where
you get fired. Here's the thing, if you're
drafting Travis Hunter, you better have your strength and
conditioning team like locked down.
Like they better be the best, the best thing going because
like the second you put him in for like a little slot route and
he pulls a hand, me fired. Yeah, he's so, he's so
interesting. No one plays two ways in the
NFL. You know, it's it's, it's going
to be. He he is basically the same size
as Justin Jefferson, 6 lbs lighter, half an inch shorter
than Justin Jefferson. We get him on an inversion table
and we introduce him to Shake Shack and we've got him at we've
got him at 198 six. You have him looking like Debo
Samuel if you're not careful. Come on.
We should, we should, we should talk about Debo.
I can't wait to see how we will. I can't wait to see how the
Hunter stuff goes. I still like him to
Jacksonville. I mean those are not coach GM
that have like a lot of traction but 5 to one unless they think
they can get them at 5:00. I don't know if new.
England. Is right, but.
The the new. GMs generally get at least two
years. You, you don't see the one and
done GM all that long. So maybe this guy's got a little
bit of security. He's like, OK, we'll, we'll try
it out and, and whatever team takes Hunter, the fans are going
to be stoked. Oh yeah, maybe, maybe not like
the first like six months, like the offseason, like the first
time, like the first preseason game, you line him up in the
slot and you just throw a screen to him.
Fans are going nuts in the preseason game.
They're like, yeah. And then and then the team and
then the team punts and Travis Hunter comes back out onto the
field. He he, he walks back out first
and 10 on defense. He's he's hyping the crowd up at
a preseason game. I mean, I'm telling you that
that moment, that moment will be that moment will be as big as
when Mahomes threw the behind the back pass to Kelsey in the
preseason game. People, people will be that
stoked about it. It's just such a bad team stuff,
you know, you, we don't have a quarterback.
We have no hopes of getting one. But like Windhorst, maybe if you
don't have a quarterback and you don't like these guys, you just
take Hunter and you give, I mean, that guy's going to sell
jerseys that that dude's selling jerseys.
What? What number did he wear in
college? You get if you're the Browns,
like I know that the Browns might take a quarterback to get
the Deshaun Watson stink gone, but like this, this would
actually get rid of some of the stink.
You know, this, this is a guy that people are going to be
excited about is and is legitimately one of the funnest
players we've ever seen come out of college.
Play that play in both ways. Just make that your identity for
the next couple years until, well, you can get out from
under. We don't need to go, we don't
need to go 10 more rounds on this, but the Browns should
embrace the stink. Like just, you know, whether
that's Ward or just just embrace it, live with it for another
year. I think they are.
I came away feeling pretty good about the Browns taking Ward.
OK. If Travis?
The Giants could trade up that that is, that is still possible.
That was a that was a rumor that if they're not able to get
Rogers, that they really are just like sick of being in
quarterback wasteland. Wow, if Travis underwears #0 I
think I'd buy, I'd buy a #0 to the old Jaguars Hunter jersey.
I mean, that is just that's that zero or one zero or one.
I'm. Like, OK, yeah, yeah, yeah, I
think the the thing about all right, I mean, like, I know Joe
Shane had a rough go of it on Hard Knocks and everything.
I don't want to pile on. But like, if you're trying to
negotiate with a team to go up for the number one pick, don't
let it come out that you're interested in Aaron Rodgers,
right? That's nothing, nothing more
desperate. You know, immediately like, oh,
these guys will pay anything They're willing to bring in
Aaron Rodgers, their quarterback.
Not not the best negotiating strategy by by the Giants there.
And the Stafford thing really sounded good for them.
And that doesn't happen. Or Aaron Rodgers, just gross.
I don't know. I don't know if there's an
escape hatch for the Giants guys they got.
You, the Raiders and the and the Giants got used.
I mean, that was all just there was a little spat, a little spat
between the Rams and Stafford there.
If the Giants sign Aaron Rodgers, I mean that is truly,
truly that has got to be the worst franchise direction making
decision I can personally remember.
Yeah. He's got he's got nothing left
the The Jets roster so much better than the giants roster as
currently constructed so much better and and they were
hopeless. They were eliminated from
playoff contention in week 12. Well, he's.
Going to bring Adams Davis, you consider that, no?
I'd rather play Wandale honestly.
Imagine you're a Giants fan and it's been like this just
pathetic existence for 10 years, but at least you're not The
Jets. And then what are we doing this
year? We're going to just be The Jets.
I mean, just the Giants fans looked out, you know, Pat,
Giants fans looked down on Jets fans like we're up here, you're
down here, Yankees and Mets, like we're the we're the Big
Brother. And now we're just going to be.
But that worked so well that we're just going to do that and
have our coach get fired at mid season again, like the Jet.
Just we're just going to copy that, that that would be like
the lowest, you know? I don't see how you can do.
You can't do the Rodgers thing if you're the Giants.
It just doesn't make sense. I think maybe the Steelers could
do it. Steelers could do it, because
what's the difference between Russell Wilson and Aaron
Rodgers? And Tomlin's not it's it's like
Smith probably gets fired, not Tomlin.
Once it all goes to hell, you know, I mean, Smith kind of gets
semi fired from the get go because Nathaniel Hackett comes
in as an offensive assistant and starts running the offense
pretty quickly. So yeah, I mean, I think but
yeah, the the Giants, you just can't be messed with it.
The Giants got a trade up for Ward.
The Giant Ward has a ceiling. I think Ward is really risky,
but he has a ceiling and ceiling's all that matters for
the for the for this administration.
Like you guys are going to be fired Most like like the vast
majority of outcomes ends with Shane and dayball out at the end
of this season. And so like just only focus on
the part of the distribution where you're not fired.
Like who gives you the most not fired outs?
Ward is is probably, you know, he's he's probably your best bet
at this point to just like, not get fired.
Bad enough three years ago to copy to go be Buffalo.
We'll just take Buffalo's guys, you know?
But we also look down on them and then this is where we're at.
So we're just going to beat The Jets.
Pretty sad. We have we have it's pretty
dark. We have slides.
Speaking of dark, our first slide today brought to you by
Zach Lanars. Appreciate.
Oh. Why?
Why did I wait to to bring these up?
Wait, these are the wrong slides.
This is last week. That's last week.
This is last week. That's one reason I broke.
OK, let me get those up. Let me get the right ones up.
I don't know. Did you have a reason for
waiting? Yeah, yeah, I did.
I had a real reason, stepped on my own joke because I've had the
wrong slides up. But no pun intended.
This is the reason I I waited, Mike insisted.
We included. This picture, I mean, it's a
pretty important picture. It's a pretty important picture
because without the context of what happened to Gunner Helm's
ankle, you would think that he is like the least draftable
tight end of all time. Now so his running style was
crazy like his like he he's like all arms out I, I, I I'll try to
find a clip of it so people can see, but he's.
I mean who looks worse, him or Fannon?
He he looked way worse than Fannon.
Fannon looks Fannon's duck footed and has a really weird
running style. But this guy, I mean, he looked
like a guy like a like a, it's like a college like relay race,
like, you know, they're, they're out there like with the water
balloons, like a field day, Like they're like, oh, I don't know
if this guy's ever run. What is going on?
Yeah, it's, it's like upper body lean, kind of lot of arm work.
Now. Is that attributable to the
ankle sprain? Because I was really kind of
blown away by by his running style.
Well I was out with some friends and the combine was on.
And just shout out to my buddy Jesse, who immediately said he's
hurt and we kind of all went well.
Why is he going to run again? He must not be hurt that badly.
But like, no, I don't care. He's hurt.
He saw it immediately. And so I don't know, is this is
this bad content? Do I have a lot to learn?
Like the foot would have been worse for our numbers today had
that been on the the thumbnail than the like the random college
guys that we've talked about. I don't know.
I kind of like the foot for sure.
I. Don't know the foot.
I give up. Why is the foot so it's not
provocative enough. I mean, just the foot.
All right, I. Mean it's certainly provocative.
I I don't, it doesn't make me. It doesn't.
I'm not watching this show. I'm not watching this if there's
a foot. Can't watch the foot?
Can't watch the foot. What am I gonna I got here's
this is an hour and a half of my life.
Here's the Here's the real question, though.
Are NFL teams gonna basically give him a pass for this?
Because. They might.
The the rumors were that he would be.
I mean he was like a very common second round pick projection.
And that never made sense to me. I mean, he, he was like OK for
one year. This is Gunner Helm, if we
haven't said so by the. Way.
I mean it does. It does if.
You all right, we got to watch this and and maybe it's the
ankle, maybe it's the ankle, but I mean, what's going on?
What's going on? Hang on.
Are you taking a step forward here?
Yeah. He's going to, he's going to
share the he's going to share the 40.
I'm going to share the helm. You guys see this?
Where is it? Here we go.
Here's the Here's Gunner Helm's 40.
What would Rex Ryan grade Helm's foot?
This this is the first one. This is where he when he gets
hurt. Is this when he gets hurt?
OK, a lot of arm work. I mean you can see it happens
right away, literally happens on the 1st.
Step so he's so he's just in pain.
OK, all right. Well then that would explain
because I was just what is. Going on, I mean, you could see
it. You could see it on his face.
He's just like, fuck. He's just OK.
All right. Well, apologies to Gunnar then
for. I think, I think he could get a
pass. It's a fun tight end year.
There's going to be a lot of thirst for some of these guys.
So I don't know. He'll have a pro day.
He'll probably be fine by then. He can put it all to bed.
There's there's a lot of thirst for Mason Taylor and Elijah
Arroyo, who you know. Don't those guys make more sense
to me? I mean, Arroyo's like.
Those guys, those guys said he got hurt before he he got a he
got he the the one before he had a false start, hurt it and then
ran it anyway. Fine, the point is he was
already. Injured, he was already.
Hurt he was. Already hurt.
OK, all right. Well, that would explain.
Same thing. Some of them same thing.
The form there, well, I I think, yeah, I mean, I think Taylor and
Arroyo make sense as as like real life NFL picks.
And I probably wouldn't be taking Arroyo probably to like
round 3, but because he's he's very much just like a bet on
traits and not really any production to back it up.
But the point that I wanted to make was that Gunner Helm had
more receptions than Golden than Bond, actually more receptions
than Bond and Silas Bolden combined.
And and Bolden at the start of the year was thought of as a
draftable guy. He he probably won't end up
being, I mean, he led that Texas team in receptions.
But isn't he kind of he's like a college K dot in or something.
He's not. He didn't.
He wasn't adding a ton to the. Off but if but if but if some
team thinks he's a really good blocker and he's like AK Dotton
style. And I'm again, I'm not that deep
in the weeds. I the only reason I liked gunner
helm was I was like, well, this guy could be, you know how
there's a tight end you've never heard of who goes 61st overall
every year? Like he gets taken and you're
like, wait, who is Luke Farrell? What what you're, you're, you're
like I live. That guy's not even in my
database and the Jaguars just took him at 61.
What is going on? So Gunner Helm could definitely
be that guy, except I would have heard of him this year that.
Was kind of the Luke Schoonmaker was was kind of that guy.
Yes, exactly the two. The patrons took the two.
The patrons took in the same year.
Yeah, Devin Osiasi. Don't eat.
And yeah. 100%. Yes.
Who was the guy the Chargers took?
He was more of a block. Trey Mckitty.
Yeah, Trey.
Mckitty, yeah, he was huge though.
He he was like 6-6. Yeah, he was like a right
tackle. He's not the all time Trey Mick
tight end anymore. I know you can't.
You can't even be the best Trey Mick.
That's. And as as Mr. Mountain Man
points out, very cool name cannot disrespect the cool name
corollary. Well, look, I mean Gunner Helm.
Gunner Helm is the starting tight end on the Jaguars in
2027. I'm in.
I don't care. Like you're telling me like 17th
rounds, he's the starter. Like, yeah, I, I don't have a
lot of interest in in him is like he's going to come and and
like, establish himself year 1 and make, you know, a big impact
as a rookie. He's not really on my radar that
way. But all of these guys like you,
you win out, you get a job. I, I won't disrespect you.
I will. I will draft you as a starter at
the end of at the end of baseball drafts and see what you
have he's going to get. Better.
He's going to get better. NFL media are going to be
lauding him for his courage and he's going to be the comeback
player of the year in the NFL in 2025.
First rookie ever to win. First comeback player of the
year coming back from an ankle sprain before the 40s at the
combine. We've got slides, so the order
has running backs first just looking at the field.
Thank you again to Zach and everybody.
Appreciate everybody's participation in the ankle
image. All right, running back combine
results. Real quick, real quick, just
just to I, I got a shout out the chat just how sick the chat is.
I, I, I just picked the Jaguars at random.
And of course it's like Britain's strange erasure.
You know people are upset not at Ingram, but at their current
backup type in. I love it.
Brenton Brenton Strange hive is real, dude, You, you cannot, you
cannot piss off the Brenton Strange hive.
They're they're out there and they're very serious.
You get a job, I won't disrespect you.
Sounds like my dad after I graduate.
That's true. I well, I've got a daughter now.
I'm getting some the dad energies coming in.
Running back Hero of the Weekend Tooten.
Tooten is the guy who is like, OK, you went from day three to
day 2. But for our game, probably the
most impactful was Judkins, where it.
Went Hampton. Hampton.
Yep. Hampton to me, Hampton was more
like he kind of did what I expected.
But Caleb Johnson showing so poorly was was big for Hampton
is kind of how I feel. But.
Hampton, Yeah. I think, you know, Hampton had
gotten a lot of like early on, I was seeing Hampton as the RB2,
but he's a round two guy. And then people were like, I
like Trayvon Henderson maybe to go round one.
I like Caleb Johnson maybe to go round one, but I wasn't hearing
a lot about that from Hampton. And then right before the
combine, I feel like, you know, like Todd Mcshee started to come
around and be like, I really like Hampton.
I think he could go round one and he was mocked round one.
I think of Daniel Jeremiah's mock draft right before the
combine too. So we're starting to get like,
OK, Hampton really isn't. My concern was that the fantasy
community was really high on him, but the NFL is a little
less high. And then we started to get maybe
the some signs that that wasn't the case, that he was in first
round consideration. And this makes him, I think very
much in first round consideration.
So I do think maybe, you know, maybe it's not a shock that he's
super athletic, but this was an important part of the process
for him to kind of shore up that that potential.
Judkins, though, it was a big combine for Judkins.
I've I've been into Judkins. I didn't really see him that
differently from Hampton and Johnson this whole time.
His profile's pretty similar. I think it just because he's
like a. Slight cut above, but.
His his best season came as a true freshman, which is just
always weirds me out. You you want you want like I
want what happened to Tooton whereby like the end of of two,
it's 210. Isn't that weird?
Look, it should be 210. It's 2:10.
Yeah.
So you know who actually told me this?
You will literally never believe the guy who told me this
information. Soccer, Dave.
Soccer Dave. Same same archetype.
Same archetype. He'll change it, don't worry.
Once he gets grabbed, he went. He'll move forward, rebrand.
I want what happens to 210 where by the end of 210's college
career his team was like literally any play you don't get
the ball is a losing play. Like I just his dominator rating
his final year at Virginia Tech, 94% of the backfield touches.
And and he was on special teams too.
I think he's a returner. Yeah, Virginia.
Virginia Tech. What does he weigh?
Two O 6. We got to change that, get that
up to 210. I mean, he's 210.
Yeah, you got to. You got to weigh in at 210.
Come on man, you're so close. Now another guy that's pretty
interesting here, Mcshea puts out his big board.
He's got Jordan James at like 68 or whatever.
So all the everyone's like, oh, dude got to get Jordan James.
He's he's top, he's top 70 and the big board got to take him.
And then he he rasped pretty poorly.
I don't know that the Ras is going to matter that much
because he's like, so his profile for fantasy has always
been super shaky. Lowest, lowest breakaway
percentage of any running back that I have in my database.
It's like it's, I think it's like 27 percent or something.
Like he's got no long speed. So I, I mean, I, I did not
expect him to test well, but he has a really high success rate.
And I think when tape people are just like, I can trust this guy.
I, I think, you know, he's that kind of runner.
He's going to get what's there. So it's always been a draft
capital bet. I don't know that this
necessarily crushes his. It's, it's like a bet on the
tape, right? And, and our NFL team's going to
bet on the tape here. It sounded like they were pretty
willing to, we'll have to see what the reaction is coming out.
But I'm, I don't the Jordan James has never been like a
statistical case. He's he's like, you know, he's
fine, but it's all about kind of draft capital.
This killers draft capital would be my question.
I'm not sure it does, because the tape is really what's been.
It's just crazy. I'm like in this running back
class with all these guys. Why Jordan James?
I'd rather Brashard Smith any day of the week.
Me too, me too. I mean, a bunch of these guys.
I mean dude, I think DJ Giddens is really interesting.
Giddens, Giddens, I think you you combine with the tape.
I'm like, oh man, I think he might.
He looks good to me. I think he might be a third
round pick now in the NFL draft. Yeah, yeah, I think yeah, he was
a big winner. Devin Devin Neal, big loser,
just couldn't. Couldn't run.
Couldn't run in the four fours. I don't know that he's a big
loser at he I. So he was a little bit lighter.
He's I think 2:16 at the combine.
He's 2:20 at the Senior Bowl. And then he wasn't fast, but no
one expected him to be very fast.
He's, he's more of a tape guy, too.
Yeah. It's just that I haven't heard
as much love for him from scouts and stuff or, you know, like
film evaluators, as I as I hoped.
So, yeah. He's, you know, another big
loser honestly, is Scatabo. Oh, he's the biggest loser of
the whole. Yeah.
Whole. To not run like you have to, you
have to run if he ran a 463 I think.
That's what everyone thought he was going to run.
Right, so to not. Run to not run is you're like
buddy 48 is in the range of outcomes for.
Yeah, man. Yeah.
It's it's bad. I I think he he really needed to
like just there's some fears with him.
You know, like you. It's like, is this guy athletic
enough to be more than like a full back?
And he did not his. His jumps.
His jumps were good. Is is, did he jump?
Well, I didn't. I didn't know he jumped.
Really, really good I think. OK, all right, good.
I. Believe 39 1/2 vert and 11 foot
broad. So like, really?
Oh, all right. Good.
Next couple of slides. That's got to be 4.
Honestly, Davis, does that make you a little more concerned
about the 40? Yes, yes, yes, there.
There's a chance that this guy is Carson Steele, dude.
Yeah, he's Kadeem Carey would be another guy like a like a really
good college running back. Couldn't couldn't get he also.
Went to Arizona State. Look at you too.
Next couple of slides highlight
some of the running backs we've talked about.
The first one would be the, you know, the top guys after Gente
who didn't this weekend, but Hampton, Henderson, Caleb
Johnson and Judkins. So what's actionable?
I guess like it's, it's always inside out, right?
The guys that perform well, new hype that pushes them up and
maybe we are happy we drafted them already.
So we do something else this next time.
I moved Judkins up and Caleb Johnson down.
Yeah, that at the the next couple slides on the running
backs. Oh, sorry, my bad.
Yeah, I, I moved Judkins up a bit, Johnson down.
Henderson we've been high on for a while.
Hampton we've been high on for a while.
Cale Johnson kind of I, I actually lowered heading into
the combine. So for about a week we've been a
little bit bearish on him. As I dug more into his receiving
profile, I started to feel like it's a fragile bet where it's
like it is. The exciting thing is like this
guy could be the lead running back on the Vikings, the Bears,
you know, any of these teams taking this guy in the second
round, install him as a day one starter and he can carry the
load. He's a really good runner.
But I started looking more into his like into some of the
peripherals a little bit more and it's like, man, OK, the
receiving stuff really is concerning as far like he could
just be a straight up two down guy and then he's like a bit of
a boom bust runner. Like his success rate was really
low and low in all three of his seasons.
And so it's it's kind of Ken Walker E now Walker's been
especially early on was like a fairly solid hit, but he also
kind of was in the best case scenario where a team just
installed him right away as a starter.
So. And you don't know if he can
catch the ball. Yeah, he's probably he's
probably just kind of an early down guy and then he's not fast.
So Walker has has a lot more speed.
So it's all just starting to be a little dependent on the
situation in the draft capital materializing, which where he's
going in drafts. You have you have a lot to lose
there. If that doesn't happen, you
know, if, if he ends up being the Zach Charbonnet and and kind
of being a backup to start his career, you've wasted a lot of
draft capital. So I I I moved him down.
And then I think this combine performance is kind of only only
backs that that up. Judkins, by the way, Judkins is
a little bit of a pass catcher. Like he's he's not like, you
know, pass catching specialist, but but he's a a guy where I
think more likely than Johnson to just be kind of left out
there all the time and be be a backfield.
So is that his, is that his touchdown right before the half
on a on a reception against Texas or was that yeah, that in
the in the playoffs? And he was used, he was used
against Notre Dame as a receiver.
I mean, he, he looks pretty natural to me as a receiver.
And the numbers, you know, there's kind of like different
tiers of college receivers. There's like the Uber Christian
McCaffrey level tier, you know, and Alvin Camaro where you're
just like these guys are going the absolutely insane in terms
of the efficiency. And then you've got like the
totally can do it and and probably gonna do it pretty
well, like in the James Cook type of tier.
And then there's a big group of guys who are like, they look
fine if a team uses them, kind of like Breece Hall, Ezekiel
Elliott, like that group. Well, you know who the.
That group? You know who?
The the comp is for Caleb Johnson.
When it became clear he was an NFL prospect, they, they just
started calling passing plays for him just so teams could see
him do it. You know who else did that?
Braylon Allen. Like I think he had like 7
receptions his first two seasons and they were like, Oh well you
know, we want him to get drafted.
We, we care about this guy. We want him to go.
We, we threw him the ball 30 times his final year.
He was good at it. Now Braylon Allen just didn't
test that. The comp, remember, he didn't
test the combat. Yeah, because I think probably
things would not have been great for him.
But Caleb Johnson, what's funny is these numbers are actually
not bad. Like in the whole world of
running backs, it's like fine to be 225 and run a four or five.
Yeah, Yeah, yeah, right. It's just, it's just relative to
these other guys. I could see someone being like,
you know what, we're still going to spend the 57th pick on Caleb
Johnson. Me too.
By the way, it was Henderson, not not Judkins who had the 75
yard touchdown pass. Yeah.
That was that was. But Judkins had a nice reception
and against Notre Dame for a touchdown where he was like,
actually like, downfield, Yeah. Next we've got.
We haven't talked about Henderson.
Do do we want to say anything about him?
I thought he'd actually be faster.
I thought he was going to be in the four threes, like just
watching. Him small loser, I think just
not being. Tiny, tiny loser.
Yeah. Just not.
Not totally differentiating himself from Judkins, I thought.
Yeah, but I still think he's live to go round one.
I think this is better for Judkins than it was worse for
Henderson. I think Judkins there was like
AI was seeing him sometimes like not included in round two and
like maybe he gets lost in the shuffle and it's kind of like a
mid to late day three or sorry, mid to late round three guy.
I don't think that happens now. I I think if he goes round
three, it'll be early and there's teams early in in the
draft who who need like a guy that can install right away as a
starter. So he's the Raiders round three
pick and they haven't taken a running back or signed anyone
really in free agency. I think we're pretty psyched
about. Yeah.
So it's like, I think he's he's at least locked himself into
like that range is like the the, you know, probable low end.
Is there any way I could just draft the Raiders third round
pick, running back or whatever, not knowing whoever that is next
group we've talked. About that would go high.
That would do well. We've talked about 210 and
Scataboo. Also, for a minute I didn't know
the name Raheem Sanders before the weekend.
Rocket Sanders. Rocket Sanders.
Yeah. He's just one of the like, he'd
been 1 of this group of guys you can mix in right at the end of
drafts. He actually has a little bit of
receiving juice. So do you like Davis?
Do you think this actually changes his his draft capital
outlook? Because he looked like a day
three guy pretty clearly. I think he's still a day three
guy because I think there's enough like for example, like if
you just want to take the toolsy guy in round three, you'd rather
take 210. If you want to go the production
route, you'd rather have Devin Neal.
You'd you'd even rather have Giddens as like, more productive
players. If you don't care about the the
workout stuff at all, you take scataboo, right?
Well, the thing I mean, I dude, I didn't realize that scataboo
had a 39 1/2 inch vertical that's.
Nuts. It's nuts, yeah.
How did how did he not run? If you've got that kind of vert,
how are you not at least getting in the four low 4 sixes?
I mean, you see this happen with, you don't see this happen
much with running backs. You see it more with wide
receivers where they run the really middling or maybe even
shitty 40, but they have like really good.
Tes Johnson. Tes Johnson did did the crazy.
Tes tes Johnson is I I I just need people to stop talking
about this guy. 154 lbs and got out out like sunned by Troy
Franklin who is the wide receiver 4 on the Broncos.
Like just can we just enough, enough of the Tess Johnson guys.
Sounds like we should move to the next the next.
This is wide receiver could be built in a lab to to tell you
more than than Tess Johnson. He's a slow 154 LB receiver.
And he's not even a short king either.
I think he's like 5-10 too. That's true.
It's it's just like, what is the point of Tess?
Tess Johnson? To give you guys an idea of how
shitty of a prospect Tess Johnson is, he is quite
literally Bo Nix's brother. That's not a joke.
He is literally Bo Nicks, his adopted brother.
And he was like, you know what? Troy Franklin's my guy.
Yeah, that's not great. But Davis 6653 Cone, are you
back in? If if you're if you're back in
on him, you better be drafting the absolute shit out of Harold
Fannon who somehow did a 6.873. Cone dude, I'm in on, I'm in on
fannon fannon people. People don't realize I think a
95th percentile 10 yard split. The 40 wasn't great but the 10
yard split was fine. 47140 but elite 10 yard split.
I'm I'm still in on fanning next line are we good?
Here we go. Yeah, wide receivers IO menor
pretty good. Huge, huge, huge.
Winner, Huge, huge winner. Another guy, massive hands and
he's like one of these guys who wins is like a big downfield
receiver. If you and I, dude, I don't
know, I didn't really like see it with him.
I was like, all I'm hearing is that he's big, you know, like
what? It's not he's not exciting.
You know what you worry about with the big guys?
The the 458 is lurking there. Yeah, man, yeah, but but four
fours speed or in the four fours.
I mean he is big and but he's athletic too.
So I don't know. I mean, this profile is a is
kind of a boom bust profile, but it's I think he was a draft
capital now. He was a huge riser when I, I, I
did AI did a full rework on my ranks yesterday and he was one
of my biggest risers. Now a guy I've been taking a lot
already was Jayla Noel. I've, I viewed him as kind of
like arbitrage. Imek Ibuka, like comes in right
away, has a role. It's just kind of a competent
NFL wide receiver. I think this combine put him in
some team, might take him at 42, just be like we it's a bad wide
receiver class, It's a bad free agency class.
We need a third guy. We don't have a third guy.
Kind of like this is a bad comp and it's not going to make
anyone happy about it. But how Jolene Polk just ended
up going 37 last year despite really liking him.
But that is kind of what I can imagine happening with Noel.
It's interesting that both of these guys, Noel and Higgins,
Noel and Higgins are the guys who played together, right?
Not. Yes, Iowa.
State, yeah, yeah, yeah, Iowa State, they're both really
athletic, which is kind of interesting.
They're I. I was not expecting that at all.
Especially. Very pleasant surprise, yeah.
'Cause I, I, I've seen like, I think Harmon's early work on him
was like that. He's not really much of A that.
Higgins isn't really a separator.
Kind of like some David Bell downside potential with Higgins
I would say. I can't believe you just invoked
the name of David Bell brother. This is ship chasing man.
We got a clip. Yeah.
Now, Zach, on the graphic here, you noted that Mister Ricky
White's wrasse was 4.89. First of all, he still might be
the ship chasing clip, but he probably won't be.
But the clear, the clear favorite for ship chasing clip
right now, and I'm not sure there's anyone who's even close
to him, is Besh Jack Jack. Besh is the clear, clear
favorite. I don't know, Besh is more of
like a film guy, I don't think I mean.
So. So were all the UW guys.
So were. So were Polk and McMillan.
Yeah, but. But is the name cool enough?
Is the name cool enough? Very.
The name is OK Sky Moore. Well.
Sky Sky 2 wise was about as cool.
That's about as cool, unfortunately, like sky 2 wise
for for like an earthbound slot who immediately busts is just
such a such a waste. Earthbound.
Yeah. Wow.
You have the next slide up for a second that has Higgins on it.
And also I believe that would be Bond.
I'm going to break the record tomorrow for sure.
I anticipate running a four, two, possibly 41.
DEN runs a four, three. The most disappointing 439 in
the world? History.
The the crowd, the crowd was booing him, which is hilarious.
Did you? Did you see Xavier Worthy's
tweet? No.
He said. He said there's fast, then
there's me. I mean, that's pretty bad ass
because ostensibly these two know each other.
You know, ostensibly Worthy would have been around the Texas
facility at some point in the last year.
And they would have, they would have met.
And you know, Bond was probably talking shit to him.
Too. Yeah, like.
I'm gonna break your. Record and and.
And Worthy's probably like, yeah, sure you are, buddy, Sure
you are. I'd like that's a cute that's a
cute little 439 you got there A. Crowd A crowd booing A439 is
that is that. It's like an all time all time
combine moment. Yeah.
Well, yeah, I talked. He talked a big game there.
I talked maybe too big of a game.
You could say your mouth just mouth wrote a check, your ass
couldn't cash. Is that the?
Is that the experiment? Tez Johnson to me, undraftable
big board and I'm not taking him in.
I'm not taking him in my dynasty drafts either.
I don't know, man. I think he could maybe be an OK
slot receiver. He's 451.
He's got elite agility and jumps, so it's like burst.
You're betting on betting on burst.
He's not fast and he's time as hell.
Depending if you're spending fourth round rookie picks this
year on anyone other than running backs, you are so lost
and there's like. Yeah, yeah, I I think that's
fair That that that part of it I do agree with in in best ball.
Look, the honestly, this isn't even about the big board.
This is about you not making fun of me if I take Tes Johnson in
round five of our dynasty best ball.
Sure, OK, sure. That's that's you that that I
think is totally fine and would be an overreaction.
But like, you're taking, you're taking Raheem Sanders over Tes
Johnson and you're like, not thinking about it.
Yeah, yeah. No, that's.
Right. Isn't that, isn't that, by the
way, always the play, always in rookie drafts is just running
backs all the way to the end? This this.
In rookie drafts, there should just be like an unending string
of running backs that that once we hit like the middle of the
second, it should just be like. Yeah, like like the wide
receiver, the wide receiver seven goes.
Yeah, basically like the wide receiver 8 should be like a free
agent. Like Jalen Noel should go like,
like he's gonna go like 41st in the NFL draft and 45th in a
rookie draft that that's like how it should actually play out.
A quick look at the tight ends. You mentioned Fannin already.
We talked about Helm and a few other guys are shown here,
Ferguson. Just like the least productive
guy of all time. But it could, it could work out,
I guess. And I want to say he's like,
he's over age, too. Yeah. 1500 career receiving
yards, 16 touchdowns though. I'm still, I'm still in on
fannin. I mean, first of all, the Ras,
OK, I was, I was going to the Ras site and look, I mean,
there's lots happening, all these things getting plugged in,
but I, I looked at the Ras 10 yard split and then it wasn't
what was reported on the NFL combines official site.
So you, you change that the rest, the rest gets above 8.
It's not, it's not bad, it's not great, but I don't know, I think
Hannon was, Bannon was kind of seen as like a, like a loser of
the combine, but I don't know that he really was.
Honestly, I think I think yeah, if he ends up being a day two
pick, then none of this matters. Because The thing is, is you're
you're only taking him as a day two pick if you basically plan
on turning him into Bowers. And I don't mean that he's as
good as Bowers, but I mean, Bowers was like never asked to
block Bowers. Bowers just like was a slot wide
receiver. Did you, did you see probably no
one saw this? Did you see him doing the the
blocking drills? Fannin.
He he was blocking like the side of the sled and it was like
spinning in circles like he was on an ice skating rink.
Not good, not good. It was quite bad.
If he's a round three pick, it means some GM is like we are
throwing that guy the ball and that is it.
I will say his his like PFF run blocking grade was fine.
He he's not like he's not a micasicky level like no, no, he
is just a wide receiver. Like you can't like, ask him to.
Block. You might at this stage prefer
him to be a micasicky type though.
Well, I just mean, I'd like in terms of how big a liability he
is, like if you're planning to install him as like a
traditional wide tight end and you're an asthma block all the
time, that's not going to work. And so I, I agree with you
there. But like, if you have him out
there, like can he be Isaiah likely?
I think he can be Isaiah Likely. That is the that is the comp
that everyone was sharing was the was the likely stuff.
Yeah, I mean, this is the way the league is going, Laporta.
Like nice of you guys to not mention Kincaid here, but also
just tight ends as you know. Well, LaPorte is a really good
blocker. LaPorte is a really good
blocker. LaPorte was not a good blocker
in college and I don't think he's a great blocker in in the
pros. I think, I think he's kind of
been a bit, it's Ben Johnson Magic a little bit to to use
this guy the way that he's. I'm fact checking myself.
Fact checking. Myself, I know for a fact he was
not a good blocker in in college because I just was.
I was looking at the numbers yesterday, Mac Nova says.
I'm skeptical 20 year old Bowling Green tight end is going
to matter in redraft and I see different combo.
You know what he's. He's he's like a very middling
blocker. So I'm wrong anyway.
I think the the the someone asked earlier who's the
Bensonaut if Fannon is by far the most likely to be the
Bensonaut. Except Senate was like, we have
no one to blame but ourselves because we knew Senate was a
fullback and he played for a team that ran the power I and he
just, like, blocked all the time.
And the quarterback, Avery Johnson, never threw.
And we were like, yeah, but what if he's actually a tight end
like there? There's none of that going on
with Fannin. That's true.
It's more the teams are like, he played tight end, he was awesome
at it, but will he be able to do it in the pros?
Gunner gunner helm is way more likely to just be like, all
right, this this dude's just blocking like that's all he's
he's he's tip Ryman now. So it was a it's a disrespect to
ertz too, like his being drafted was.
Nobody took that seriously. And you know you should have.
You did. What I more mean is that like
who's who's going to play like some and just like not matter
for fantasy at all, and Fannin is pretty high on that list.
The downside is is bad. But Alberto, this dude was
super, super productive, like. Laughably productive.
So I, I do think that that
saying, I don't think he's going to matter.
I'll I'll like kind of think about him and dynasty, not
redraft. That to me is discounting his
ceiling like a guy this productive who is probably going
to go day 2 on the draft. Like he could really matter at
with tight end eligibility he could really matter.
Really now, so, so much depends on where he goes.
You know, like the Washington point, we're going to look at
that team's depth chart and decide, you know, blindly what
we think he might be asked to do.
So that can be we could be right.
He's just really boom bust like he could.
It's going to seem like obvious in retrospect with him.
Like, you know, this guy, he's like a from a Bowling Green
tweener. Shocking.
He didn't do anything or wow the most productive tight end in
college history was good at catching the balls.
It's so funny because you could, you could really do, you could
really do either bit. Like you like the winners will
be obnoxious. Yes, we know that we know.
That if if he's a I'll tell you this.
If he's a fifth round pick to the Saints, I'm gonna forget his
name. If he's a.
If he's a third round pick to the.
Bengals. To The Jets.
To the Bengals would be unreal. Yeah, 'cause they already do
that with their tight ends anyways, how they all have
different roles and stuff, so that would even make sense in
that offense. Bengals draft fan in Round 3 and
just rescind the tag on T Higgins.
We're all set. Sold.
Debo Samuel off to Washington, one of a few old wide receivers
that have been kind of a puzzle so far this offseason.
We'll see what happens with Devonte Adams.
Cooper Cup has that permission to find a trade as well.
Digs and off the injury and then Keenan Allen here on this
graphic as well. Pat sort of a an overall
thought. Let's just start with Debo and
like how you think that went for him.
Washington seems pretty good if if we still think he can play.
I think it's pretty good. You, you know, with Debo like
the ceiling was never going to be super high given, you know,
he's like kind of falling out of favor with the with the guy
who's going to utilize him the most, you know, and they're
they're starting to have other people emerge.
You know, they spent a first round pick on Pierce all shows a
little bit the end of the season.
Jawan Jennings looking really solid.
They obviously paid IU. He's coming off the injury.
But it's like, how likely was it that Debo was going to stay in
San Francisco and then actually be like kind of the Debo of old
down the stretch or at any point like it just never looked that
likely. So the concern for me with Debo
is more about like the floor. Is he going to find a role where
we can we can kind of count on him.
And this is, I mean, if he if he has anything left, like he
should be able to show it in Washington.
Like they kind of have to play. Him this this was the number one
spot you would have chosen for him if you were a Debo Bull.
There's a ready. Maybe, maybe Houston.
Houston would be the only other spot.
They don't. They don't run the horizontal
raid. They they're they don't throw
screens. Yeah, I guess, but you know.
Well, it's up. There they didn't have a debo
they it's. Up there, at least.
Plus they just changed the OC. Debo Debo is like the final
evolutionary form of Rondelle Moore.
You know, he's he's the he's the he's.
Disrespectful that the he's. He's the Char.
Well, he's the Charizard, right? To the, to the to the
Charmander. Of Charmander, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
What was I was going to say that?
Is Charizard the final form? What's the middle form?
Yes, Charmillion. Charmillion.
OK, All right, good. I'm glad we gave him the final
form. Who's who's?
Half who? Who, who?
Who is if, if? It's if it's.
If it's a continuum from Rondell to Debo, who's who's the middle?
Beasley. Might not have this in my.
Patterson. Cole Beasley.
Cordero Patterson. Cole Beasley.
Cole Beasley's, he's like, he's not quite there.
You need to be a little bit faster.
Right. It's not, it's not, Cordo
Patterson. I feel like, oh Khalil Shakur,
that's pretty good. Khalil Shakur as the Charmilion.
That's pretty good. These guys, OK, OK, I'm just
going to nod. Should have been Biscuit.
About him, I'm in agreement. Here's here's the thing.
If Debo has anything left and it you can blame some of it on
pneumonia or whatever, then like this is a.
Smash Jayden Reid Jayden Reid is the correct answer.
There. There you go.
Thank you. Nice job.
Thank you. Thank.
You. Jayden Reid So, so let's assume,
let's assume not all of last season was age-related decline.
Let's say he was, he was injured, he had pneumonia,
remember he got good again. He had like 2 good games again
at the end of the year where it looked like maybe he could still
play. Maybe he gets on Ozempic or, or
is able to lose some rounds or something.
I I got to say I'm probably a buyer on on Debo.
It is funny, like, you know, you can almost track the seasons by
like which part of the body we're focusing on on these
screenshots. You know, if, if it's if it's
quads, it's summer, baby. We're we're it's it's middle
summer. You know, we're we're out here,
we're drinking some margs on the beach.
If it's a if it's a punch, you know better get that Christmas
shopping done. You know, it's, it's, it's, it's
changed. We we got the Devo punch going.
Around what if it's a foot with an ankle bruise?
What is that? If it's a foot then it's then
it's a combine. Easter is just around the
corner. Can you?
Can you pull up, can you pull up this comment from Pepper, Tony,
'cause I think people, people do this and they, they forget what
happens. 2023 Debo Samuel, 1200 scrimmage yards, 12 touchdowns.
It's it was, that was not four years ago that that actually
quite literally just happened. It it just, it just happened.
Well, he, he moves up, right? I mean this is.
I think he should move up a bit. I don't know, they should move
up a ton like it's still a boom like a very boom bust.
And the the problem with him is that it's like it's not maybe
that boom. It's just kind of like, well,
products, some production and then maybe bust.
You know it's. Like it's boom if he scores 15
touchdowns. It's bust if he scores 7.
I agree with not that much by the way, because a trade was
assumed and who's going to trade for him that doesn't have sort
of a plan like this. So you didn't necessarily know
if you were to get the nut landing spot, but he was
probably going? He ducked the Steelers, though.
Yeah, he ducked the Steelers. Honestly, I think the Patriots
would have been pretty bad. And they're so desperate.
Like you could see them doing that, but they but they're so
desperate that they'd be like, you're a number one Debo, like
go out there and win is the X, you know, like, oh wow, kind of
sucked. Yeah.
So for him to land. With Duck duck, the Titans.
Titans could. Have been they?
They have nothing, you know, they so duck, duck the Titans.
So he does move. Up he moves up and he moves up
because his floor moved up and that's where I would just say
like watch the price because if you're drafting a guy because
like, hey, this old guy's floor got a little higher, like do you
want to pay fifth round for that?
Like he's also. Not that old, he's 29.
Yeah, but you mean he's like a he's a he's an old guy who fell
off a little bit. Yeah, he's an old guy.
He's he the way he runs, too, is not the.
Hot take, it's actually not great for Cooper Cup either
because I thought Washington was the most sensical landing spot
for him and now you start looking OK, who would actually
trade for cup. So you lose basically the most
efficient quarterback in the NFL last year is when?
I mean I don't think they would do cup and debo.
That would seem insane. Just load your offense up with
30 year olds. Terry Mclaurin also 32 as well.
So now. You're kind of sneaky good for
Mclaurin, by the way. We're like I.
I that I disagree with, but I am a noted Terry Hader.
I just think that now it could be bad if they draft a receiver
in the first round because now he's got all this extra
competition. But if this is their move at
receiver, that's pretty good for Terry.
He's got the downfield stuff on lock.
I mean, Terry was getting out targeted by Noah Brown for like
long stretches last year. I'm such a Terry hater so like
don't have this conversation with me.
Let's play. Let's play a game.
Next slide. The game is how do I get Pat to
make the slide change? We have Adam Thielen.
Did you did did you bring Sam Sherman back in for this actor,
Sam? Sherman retired from the show to
make the charts full time. We have Adam Thielen at age 34,
1/2 wide receiver, 26 last year in points per game.
To his right we have a 31 year old wide receiver who was worse
but was faster. Any guesses?
Cooper Cup. Yeah, no, his yards per out run
was in the twos. ESPN score 47 and 49.
Very close. I'll give you a hint.
This guy's. Team is it Tyree kill?
It is Tyree kill, it is not. Exactly, I have to say this how
did I figure out was Tyree kill? Because this is clearly a
picture of Tyree kill. It's like, oh, I recognize that
outline. That's Tyree kills head.
Wide receiver 12 this year and he's gonna miss mostly
offseason, by the way, with was it a wrist injury?
Yeah, a wrist injury. So I don't know, like I think I
like his value. You're into it.
I think so. I I think the likeliest outcome
for Miami is better than last year on offense.
Hua Hill, Waddle HN still the same guys.
Jonnu Smith. I I want to give McDaniel that
kind of benefit of the doubt here.
And I know Hill isn't big, so a guy at 31 is not big, can maybe
scare you. But yeah, I'm OK at that price,
I'm OK. The one thing I'd say on the top
speed is that these are ball carrier speeds and we saw with
Hill, you know, how much less he was getting used downfield and
and hitting big plays where he's like in stride, you know,
getting hit across across the deep middle and then like
getting up to full speed that way.
It's like he was used a little bit more shallowly.
So it just makes me like over the course of a of a season,
Tyree kills only going to hit 2122 mph like a handful of
times. You know, I forget how many
times he did it in 2023, but it wasn't like every game, you
know, And so the role change, it makes it like a we don't have
data on him running like a go route and how fast he was like
while running straight down the field.
We only have speeds that he hit while the ball was in his hand.
So it's like a little, it's incomplete not to say that it's.
That's fair, that's fair. But I mean, he doesn't have to
be he Tyreke speed to be, you know, very relevant.
And what do we have here? Like so ADP is 22.
You're drafting Bijan or Barkley or Gibbs in that first round.
The receivers there are who Hill, Garrett Wilson and JSN
comes up right there. I, I like, I like to start
Gibbs, Tyreke, JSN. That sounds great to me.
I'm still willing to take him. I do think that the floor's low.
Like there is some evidence that he's fallen off, which is bad
for an older receiver, especially when relying on
speed. I just think we don't want to
get like too carried away with how strong that evidence is.
It's like it's, it should give you a little bit of a, like a
bad feeling in your gut, but not it.
It's just that, you know, it's not conclusive.
It's pretty funny though. It is funny, yeah.
Crane, where do I find double coverage stats?
I cannot find it on PFF right now.
It's I'll show you gotta like there's a filter thing.
'Cause I know for a fact that these people talking about the
double coverage stats for Maclaurin are wrong.
It's just because Cliff refuses to move anyone around.
But I can't. I can't find it right now.
I know it's like really laughably low for a wider Super
1 though. Quick look at risers and
fallers, name of the game before we come to a close here.
And Tyree Kill did move up a couple of spots here.
Travis Kelsey, obvious reasons, is basically an announcement or
was said for him that he'll be back with the Chiefs, you know,
at least probably. So that's about a round little
less than a round jump. He he said it.
He said it himself too. OK, good.
Yeah, he said it himself. He is playing.
I I took him with Pete on ship chasing and was saying I think
he'll rise. And this is a pretty good price
for, you know, the the washed version of Kelsey.
People hated it. It's it is gross, but I think,
you know, he should he should kind of rise up into the like
late 9th and I, I don't want to be.
It should be, it should be him and a Joku, you know, kind of
kind of coin flip. Exactly.
Tyler Warren. It's like you could tell me
either way. You could tell me.
You could tell me Tyler Warren lands at a nut spot and gets 97
targets as a rookie. Or you could.
I mean, the thing with Kelsey is, I mean, the dude still had
97 receptions last year. Yeah, man, dude, I don't think
it's necessarily bad if Worthy takes a step forward, right?
And then Rice has this injury. I don't know that Rice is going
to be able to come in and like dominate targets the way he
might have in an alternate timeline.
So Kelsey's like he's part of the underneath, you know, target
mix in a way that's not going to.
He's not the engine of the offense at at all.
But can he be an Evan Ingram? Can he be a David and Joku like
I think he can. I like this is this is what we
normally pay for that so. A lot of interesting names in
there. Ferguson's in there too, and the
guy like the most I think of most of these guys, if not all,
would be Kraft. Maybe just a little bit later
than Kelsey, but good offense, good player.
I moved. I moved Kraft up in my in my
rankings too. I like that.
How much? How much for Warren?
How much do you think he gets? Like Wildcat stuff?
Because I did have the commenter was like, you're, you're
discounting that he's can actually be used on some of
these like creative stuff around the goal line, which will kind
of juice his profile a little bit.
Because as a, as a pure like receiving tight end prospect, he
doesn't really pop. I mean, he he's fine, but like
for the amount of hype that he gets, he's just, you know, I
don't see him that differently than, you know, some of these
other like good, not amazing bets that we've had over the
years. Yeah, it's like if Bowers didn't
get any Wildcat type stuff, then I'm not thinking that's going to
be a big plan for Tyler Warren. That's not what.
I was thinking. Maybe he gets like 5 rushes or
something, but there is this bad pattern matching that people are
doing. It's like dude, Tyler Warren, I
like him. He he is not Brock Bowers.
He's just not Brock Bowers. Yeah.
He's a he's a four year player who was not.
Might be 5 year even. He he and he was not the the
leading receiver on his team until the end you.
Know he wasn't the tight end until Theo Johnson left the
program. Yeah, so I I like Tyler Warren,
good player. I think his ADP is rational.
Maybe not, maybe not like a screaming by, but like rational.
But he is not Brock Powers. And he wears he's slightly.
Behind on him at ADP. I'm not saying he's a mega fade
or anything. He wears 44 because Davis
because. John Riggins, his dad, his dad
told him. Play like that.
John Riggins, Do I have his helmet up today?
Yeah, that was the Washington logo.
I can't use it fallers. So I'm curious.
We have, do we want to talk any of these other guys or no, we're
good. Neighbors.
Like, whatever, right? He should be.
He should be a he. Actually, he should maybe be a
slight faller because it's now confirmed Matt Stafford's not
his quarterback. The best case, best case, you're
getting Aaron Rodgers. That's not best case, because
then you're getting Devante Adams too.
Yeah, true, true. True, best case is word at this
point. Yeah.
For the Giants, oh boy, yeah, there's there's no best case.
Also, we had Marvin Harrison on there, a slight uptick.
Noah Gray with Kelsey's announcement.
James Cook wants to get paid. He's talking about 15,000,000 a
year. We'll see if that drags out.
The Bills rarely get in the ditch when it comes to these
contracts. They just seem to get them done
very smoothly. But we'll see if Cook is
different in that way. He's got his brother in the
history with Dalvin Cook maybe in his ear.
Then we have DeAndre Swift and Roshan Johnson.
What's this we're expecting Genti or some the?
GM basically said we're adding a.
Running back, yeah, yeah, that's that right.
I, I think, I think Johnson and Swift.
I mean Swift was always very strangely priced.
I mean, the Ben Johnson, like ice, this guy, we just think
he's going to use them now weirdly in the deepest run back
class in years. I feel like Roshan is more
secure. It's like his role is like he's
he's a big guy, do goal line, he can do it there.
I mean, he's not very, he's not not a great player obviously,
but like Swift is the type of guy who like can get iced so
fast. I just think that like with
Roshan, like what does he got over Rocket Sanders and and it's
a new new coaching staff, you know, like it.
What does he got over Damien Martinez?
You know, Ollie Gordon, like any of these dudes come in, they're
just like I'm the new Roshan now bye.
It's just it's just a you don't win much like you win the bears
backup. That's right, you or rotational
player, because Swift is is still going to be there.
So it's just kind of, I don't know, it's a little bit.
It's low floor, low ceiling. Mike, what would you do if
you're the bill? Are you paying Cook?
Because I think that if Cook's asking for a lot of money, I'd
be tempted to just draft a guy day three and be like, let's see
how this guy plays. We are.
We are Ray Davis. What do we need you for,
brother? I think what will happen is
he'll come in with a three or four year contract that the
analytics world will be like OMGI mean what are we doing
running backs? But we did just have a year, not
DeAndre Swift in this example, but where that paid off for
teams paying up and running back and I think they see him as
core. SO16 rushing touchdowns.
I'd expect, you know, him to get that, them to get that done with
him over the course of time, maybe not real soon.
And if it doesn't happen real soon, he might get pushed down a
little bit more as people might start to speculate about that.
But just remember, he's going to have avoided.
He's going to get the fake Josh Jacobs contract, but really it's
a year by year and they can void it at any time.
It's like 9 and a half, $1,000,000 per year or
something. That's my guess.
Bills paying for rushing touchdowns to to James Cook
would be such a cell phone. So insane.
Come on, like, how are you going to score?
How are you going to score touchdowns without James Cook
Like. I know.
I think, I think they'll do it. I think they'll do it OK.
It seems, it does seem like they value continuity and I mean
paying Shakur all that money or whatever.
Everybody's just got a lot more cap room, too.
So true. They're going to they're going
to restructure Alan and I think that this will probably happen.
The Bills have by the way, quickly three or four other guys
that are one year away from a pretty big contract potentially.
Christian Benford is 1, Terrell Barnard is one.
Rousseau's on the 5th year option.
So they're they're offseason in this, in this context is about
keeping guys that list, including Cook and Shakur was
also on that list. Here's AI don't know if it'll
apply to this particular contract because it it won't
cause 'cause Cook's not going to get a big enough deal.
But I was listening to this is just a an interesting nugget
that James Palmer raised on the heat, the call pod where he was
talking about how Jeff Lurie understands the the kind of the
way the NF LS headed so well and kind of the the the contracts
for the games and the the TV contracts that like, I think
it's 2029, there's new deals and that's when the cap can actually
go up again and will probably go up a lot.
So they're actually like structuring stuff to put money
into 2029 when they know the cap will go up again.
That's that's, I mean, like if Bengals have to play in a league
with with that team, like they're, they're just how do you
how do you have any chance? It's that particular sorry, Pat,
like I know it's that particular element of strategy.
And also just like look at the team they built and everybody
got to the Super Bowl and like they have the best player in
every position and look how good they are.
That's how they did it. Hertz contract.
Everything is pushed out toward that season.
And, you know, even if now that they've won, even if they they
have to blow it up at that point, OK, it was worth it, you
know, so that's. And they and they don't they,
they, they understand exactly the way to kind of do it again.
Meanwhile, the the Bengals are bragging about how they're going
to we're we're not going to let this linger here with Jamar
Chase. We're going to we're going to
get this done quickly. Like you couldn't get it done
quickly. What?
I got it done like two years ago.
Yeah, Right. Yeah.
Before we go, any quick thoughts on the Metcalf to Green Bay
rumor? Green Bay should do it, and
they're gonna balk at the cost. They won't give up a first
rounder. Green Bay, a classically cheap
organization as well. Are they gonna basically say
here that Josh Jacobs was right getting a wide receiver one?
You don't think they will? You're saying that, but.
I, I think no, I think Josh Jacobs is right.
I think it's pretty clear you you watch the Eagles with A.J.
Brown, you watch these teams, you watch the Bengals with Jamar
Chase, like having a true, you know what?
What does Brady always say? Gotta have it having the wide
receiver that you throw it to on the gotta have it play instead
of just being like, well, sometimes it's Jayden Reid and
sometimes it's Romeo Dubs. Like I think there's real, real
value and that. But yeah, the the Seahawks are,
the Seahawks are not doing that. Interesting how Metcalf has
really not been that guy over the years, but you know, he
seems like he should be or could be, but not too many games was
he? Really, it was.
It was Locket. Player.
It was Locket who was the gotta have it and now it's JSNI mean
it's clearly JSN is the is the gotta have it guy.
Right, right. Isn't it weird that like, if
you're the Seahawks and you're sticking with Geno Smith, what
is the point of shopping DK Metcalf?
Well, Gino's on like a super cheap deal, like I think you'll
blow. It up if you're bring like you
got to be bringing in competition then like that, that
is point. That is, you never had a job for
an NFL team talk. It's, it's just when you are
when you are, you just hired the new OC.
You just got rid of Pete Carroll.
You know, you, you, you're not rolling in.
I, I literally do not. You're not rolling into the
season with Sam Howell at $4 million or whatever, like.
No, I'm I'm talking about you. You should be the Jackson Dart
team in round one. Oh, sure, sure.
And they still might do that. I think that's totally on the
table. Could they get A1 and Wix for
Metcalf and then you know just a style difference there and you
know not is the style that. That DK Metcalf catches, the
ball catches. The ball and plays and plays
and. Plays.
That's one thing that's different about them is he
plays. Yeah, that's right.
I mean, A1 for DK Metcalf I OK, OK.
And then you, you know, maybe you take Dart, then you're,
you're kind of doing a little bit of a soft reset.
OK, I I would see that but but I think.
It's OK to. Do it as like just part if
you're just sticking with Gino as your quarterback and you're
getting rid of DK Metcalf, it doesn't.
It feels more like the Titans, which that that soft reset
wasn't so soft, you know? A.J.
Brown for the one and the three. Yeah, that's right.
Yeah, it feels a little bit more like actually this is a
crumbling franchise that doesn't have any idea what.
It is especially because they they got nothing left behind.
Like they don't even have a third guy that you're like, oh,
he might be kind of intriguing if they play more like they got
nothing. So it would be like you're
taking Jalen Noel and who's the guy?
Dante Thornton Junior, the guy who ran the Crazy 40 and just
like hoping something works out. They still do have lock in under
contract but he's owed like a bajillion dollars.
He's he's the most obvious restructure, cut or retire in
the National Football League. I don't think the restructures
in play because of like how embarrassingly like the the the
gap, like what they'd actually be willing to pay him versus
what he's like supposed to get paid is just too much.
He can't. He can't stomach it.
Davis Or are you both maybe just coming up right after we're done
with something new? Yep as soon as this ends, if
you're if you're on this page, you will just get immediately
transported to my YouTube channel and I'm going to be
drafting some big boards got got the new ranks fired up got them
imported into the sidekick. So I you know because I'm only
drafting these on stream. So the whole, you know, the
whole combine just happens. I know I don't know what I'm
jumping into. I I'll I have literally no idea
what I'm about to be faced with here in a couple minutes.
Pat Ship chasing still rudely Wednesday afternoons cuz that's
when I'm on. You still doing that Thursday?
Yeah, Thursday afternoon. Thursday afternoons Third thing
Well, it's fair to rudely say the wrong day, given that we're
rudely. Going that's that is fair.
That is fair. I'll be off to draft some
baseball this weekend in Philly with some friends.
Annual. Trip nice SO.
You can't watch it. Though ship chasing Thursday
afternoons. I would also say check out
Michael Dubner's article in Legendary Upside.
Just posted the Light last week talking about some of the most
mispriced players in the big board.
Highly recommend that. And I'm going to be working on
my rookie prospects this week, which I hopefully will start
publishing those very soon. I'm going to start with the
quarterbacks and cover all the positions for both dynasty and
best ball diving deep into these profiles.
So so look for those and I'll be on streaming at the end of the
week with Davis and Jacob, Jacob Sanderson.
We're going to be talking the dynasty takeaways from the
combine and I'll be back on at some point to to stream some
drafts of the sidekick good so. Can't wait to listen to all that
on my drive this weekend. All right, next week, free
agency franchise tag stuff. We'll no doubt, as always, have
a lot to talk about. Thanks for watching and
listening today for Pat and Davis.
I'm Mike. See you next week.