Hi there, I'm Mike Shope, ADP chasing returns from the dark
upstairs have been working for me, but it's raining hard.
It's too loud. The rain is too loud.
What a first world problem. Tonight on our episode with our
heroes in position, Pat Davis and Jacob, of course, religion
and politics and lots of pop culture references that will fly
over my head and maybe yours, hopefully so we can align.
And of course, lots of math. So this will be a lot of fun.
Here we go. ADP chasing Mike Shope, Pat
Kerain, Davis Maddock, Jacob Sanderson and some puck.
Can't forget that. Welcome to the show.
Let's start it off. I think this is an area ADP
chasing is for When you watch ship chasing, you go.
These guys are just football guys.
I. Have my 4% exposure blanket.
State 4 actually. Back in if it's Ashanek, it's.
Teared to our crystal ball. Close your eyes, you know all
your entries are going to lose. Anyway, yeah.
That's fair. You're not going to tell me how
this went? I was here.
It's. Anti cabal it's anti the best
ball thought leader. I'm obviously lying to some
degree because like I have a lot of both of.
These guys, it's the most disgusting thing you can make,
but. Man.
Is when Davis sports hockey not when you or I do it, Jacob, but
when Davis does it, is that a shot at Pat directly?
Is that what's happening? It definitely leaves them
isolated. Like, it's definitely like if
this was the final four in Survivor and the three of us all
showed up wearing hockey jerseys, he would need to try
pretty hard at the immunity challenge.
Look, I, I, I know it's not a shot at me, you know, like Davis
just wants to wear his hockey jersey.
But I do take it personally and and then I resent Davis sports,
so there's. You just take the concept of
hockey personally. I know he doesn't mean it that
way, but doesn't control the way I.
You know, you guys could do this, you guys could do this to
shop and I because you guys could go on like an F1 tangent.
I mean, I just assumed. Jake was on the.
F1. Oh, honestly.
I I couldn't, I don't know a thing about F. 1F1 Pretty well
we could. We could do that.
I don't know. I know Max Verstappen and that's
like it. Lewis Hamilton is a guy.
I convinced Gretchen to add it to Omni Fantasy for our league
and for. A in in a terrible year to do
it. No, the best year to do it.
Well, the the preseason, I was gonna say the preseason odds are
all messed up. But once you're saying you can
watch a race and not know in 2-2 minutes who's going to win.
You're saying? This year you can.
Also the thing about F1, it's very classic is that like after
the first race and kind of almost through the first part of
testing, everyone knew who was very likely to win.
But it is a little bit, it's definitely not as predictable as
usual so. But Gretch spent like two of his
first 4 picks on F1 drivers and he'll be lucky if one finishes
in the top five. Wow, it's a tough year.
I'm not sure we're going to have it nominee next year.
That's so good. Well, I appreciate that
Nordiques jersey. That is pretty sharp.
Yeah, that'd be the Quebec Nordiques.
I have been. Who's your favorite Quebec
Nordique? There's only.
One Vincent Le Pew, I think. Is that right?
There was a Vincent Dom Foose. There.
We. Go.
That's what I meant, yeah. I don't know who's.
The right answer played for the Nordiques I.
Don't know, maybe he did. Yeah, Vinny Dom Foose.
No, he played for the Leafs, Oilers, Canadians and.
Shots, I was thinking. Who's the right answer?
Well, the right answer is if you are.
If you are someone who's my age, it would be Joe Sakic.
If you are someone who is maybe of a different generation, they
would say Mark Tardif. I think I think Claude Lemieux
is the best answer. Any of the stash.
News. Forsberg, Sunbeam.
Just gone on in the world of professional football.
I mean these fucking headlines are jumping out.
I'll talk to Naji Herod's visit to every team that needs a
running back for an hour if you want I.
Just yeah, let's do 14 minutes on Naji.
Herod's visiting the Raiders. I mean, we can, we can bring up,
I'm assuming there's a Naji slide.
We can just start there. Because I actually think what's
going on with Naji Ayers is such a perfect microcosm of what's
happening in fantasy football right now.
Watch. This Watch this Here's the whole
show in one second. Naji.
We're revealing everything. There's no Naji slide, but the
first slide is really good. This slide is pretty good stuff
for Zach. Is this is?
Ravion Henderson Breaking the Slapses.
I'll tell you what, I've been taking Henderson today because
he's falling a little bit. I'm getting him in the 5th a
little more. Easily.
I thought you were taking him because you don't believe in in
gay marriage. That's.
Not why? Yeah, I mean, a crazy story.
The Jaden Ivy part of this is insane that he's.
Jaden Ivy just needs help. Yeah, he just needs.
Help. He needs serious mental health
stuff. Yeah.
Yes, like Jaden Ivy could TLDR if you don't.
Jaden Ivy, former lottery pick, really really high ceiling guy.
Bunch of catastrophic knee injuries.
He's basically. Like.
Basketball player, he basically is just like suffering like a
break from reality because his body can't play basketball
anymore and he's just like super bumming him out and the thing
that he is clinging on to is religion.
A a very I'd I'd be curious his thoughts because he seems to be
very anti the Catholic Church. So I'm wondering if he is like.
Oh, that's not that's not a problem.
No, no, but very, very like super into Christianity, but
very yes, I have believe it or. Not.
Do you think he gets along with a guy named Martin Luther?
That's well trodden territory, Dave, That's all I'm.
Telling you about Jaden Ivy's 96 theses Yeah, it it's just, it's
just. It's all just.
It's all just very bizarre. And apparently Treveon Henderson
has his back. How did?
All the Protestants are just jealous.
They know we're the coolest Christians.
There there is. Catholics and not the.
Coolest Christians and I say this.
Oh yeah, we are, buddy. Come on.
I was.
I got it on the Catholic. School through high school, I
can tell you we don't. We're not the coolest.
We're awesome though. You think they made the
Godfather about the Protestants? No chance.
They didn't make the godfather about Catholics, they made it
about it's. Ingrained.
It's ingrained. There's the whole the the
spoiler alert if you haven't seen The Godfather.
But like the quintessential scene takes place over a
communion, the confirmation. It's a baptism, isn't it?
Well, whatever. Yeah.
Yeah, it's a Catholic. Baptism with you, the religious
imagery. Something in a church.
They're in a church and it's a Catholic Church.
It's not a Protestant church, it's not evangelical church, and
they're doing some sort of important ceremony, Bulls.
Fan Is that how we're tying this all together?
This is all something. In a church, Yeah, there we go.
It is for sure a Bulls fan. Well, maybe not anymore.
Oh, that's canonical. That's no, it's it's absolutely
Canon in the in the literal sense, not the not the 21st
century sense of Canon. It's literally Canon that the
Pope is a Bulls fan. Would this be a bigger story if
the Pope had retweeted this with the exact same quote?
I don't know in our. World.
Not in our world. In our where's, whatever, Who
cares? Where's the Pope on the slapses?
This Pope the. Pope, Yeah.
Politics, check. References.
Check. We just started.
Right wing, no slap. The Pope is very establishment,
the most establishment. Not he's got to break in the
mold a little bit. Not this.
Are you saying he's for popes or are you?
Saying yeah, like. Like I see this Pope.
Like it's, it's definitely not like Pope Benedict.
Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah.
Yeah, like we've, we've really, I mean, he's probably going.
For popes, if that's. The Popes.
The popes have gone woke and and not yet broke.
They're not going broke. The Popes need a lot of work to
do to go broke. There's the famously the
character is actually quite wealthy.
This is definitely what our viewers want.
How do you guys think Vrabel played the Henderson story?
I mean about as good as as McVeigh played the puka thing,
just like just like, you know, you got it.
You got to put your arm around. I think that was the that was
the McVeigh. These guys.
This is literally the whole point of the NFL is so that no
fan ever has to deal with what these players think about the
world. Like this is this is an NBA ass
storyline like this. Like Trevion Henderson being in
the news for an opinion is like as bad as it gets for the the
National Football League. The National Football League
would I I'm being so dead ass they would literally rather have
15 more Rashi Rices than one more Colin Kaepernick.
Come on. Oh, then Colin Kaepernick.
Yeah, but he was actually like standing up for injustice.
I'm not. I'm placing.
I'm I'm placing no value just. One, they won't have another one
because they'll block ball. That guy.
Too, Davis is a centrist slappy. He's all all opinions are
equally bad to him. No.
Well, I mean, all opinions other than mine are bad, yes.
But what I'm saying is that these types of stories, the
Pukunakua thing, the the like, honestly, Adam Silver would
rather sorry, Adam Silver. That's how much in the NBA I am.
Roger Goodell in the league office in New York would
literally rather have Pukunakua biting women in the club than
then this type of stuff then have to deal with this.
What do you think? What do you think A.
Story it's it's just, we're so bored right now.
Yeah, we're we're. Bored tweeted something with the
with the Bible verse. All these guys are super
religious. They thank God for everything.
We know that it isn't like. It still went nowhere.
This isn't a story in in July this or you know.
Trying to wait nowhere. Reporting this happens.
This would last like 10 minutes and then we'd like look at a
video of some guy's quads being bigger than we thought.
We like Oh my God. Can we get?
It did last 10 minutes.
It did last 10 minutes if that if you go to the bar to know.
Don't look at a man's quads in front of Jaden Ivy and Trevion
Anderson. That one person is talking about
any of it. It's true, it's true.
It's already over. I'm not saying it's.
Right, but nobody. 'S talking about any of it.
Everybody who's watching this show tonight wants to know
whether we draft Henderson or we don't.
We're gonna draft like I wouldn't.
I wasn't that into him before, but this tweet does not affect
my position on Trevion Henderson whatsoever.
It shouldn't. It couldn't matter less.
If he if he falls for some reason, I guess I'll draft him
more. Right.
Yeah. Rabel today, do you see the move
he made, by the way, with Brady? No, I didn't.
No. So they all have their tables
for the coach's breakfast. Today was the AFC and Brady
sitting there with the Buffalo media of Rabel gets done and
he's walking past and Brady, there's a picture of it.
You can find it online. Brady has his plastic or
cardboard name plate of Rabel. Apparently he's walking by.
He picks it up, crumbles it and throws it down on the table.
And they laugh and he leaves. And so my sources.
You think Joe Brady also left? No, Brady laughed.
Rabel laughed and then left. And my guys are telling me that
Rabel and Brady were socializing last night.
Last night's the big party. It's like the highlight of the
two days. And that it, you know, it was
just Sal Capaccio. My colleague at WGR called it. 2
dudes having fun. I don't know.
Yeah, you, if you do that to me. Paul Travion.
Don't do that to me, it. Sounds like it could be an
inside joke. They were.
Teammates for how long? How Brabel was a Patriot for 11.
Years, Joe Brady. Joe Brady.
Wrong Brady. Yeah, shove.
I'm sorry man, but like Brady doesn't mean Joe Brady.
Yeah, Brady, the cultures all all the he does, he does.
When he's when he's citing his sources on Buffalo Radio, I
think we can deduce that. It's the coach's.
Breakfast. I knew what you were talking
about. Shove.
I was. I was locked in with.
You pieced it together. I did my best.
It's hard to break news anymore. It's a full name, Joe.
Joe. We need the first name on Joe.
Pat, I mean, maybe this makes me a loser or something, but when I
go to Vegas and they have my name on the little name plate
and I'm drafting 5th for the main event, I want it.
Nobody's touching that. Imagine you come over, Maybe
you'll do this this year. Now it'll be our inside joke.
You come over, crumple it up and throw it down in front of my
face. That's cool.
Am I going to laugh? I'd be.
I'd be so pissed off actually. I hate it.
I would. I wouldn't do that out of
context, but what if there's some?
What if they were joking around? What if he, what if he, it's
possible, did something last night?
What if Brady got him last night in a funny way and they laughed?
And then tell that story and tell that.
Story you got. You got Vrabel sitting at the
coach's picture of his legs out to here.
Who does that? Who takes up the other space?
Put your legs in the back. Oh.
You're up. You're.
Upset that even man spreading up to this.
Weekend. This is ridiculous.
Oh my God. This is we're, this is a tough
show, guys. You mean the slide?
Sure, you don't want to go back to the name that Quebec's
Nordique and I? Just can't.
I can't believe how hard you're going after Vrabel.
What I'd like to say show frankly to you.
Yes, blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness
sake for theirs. Matthew 5 times.
All right, let's move on you. Know that's fair, I guess
that's. Fair.
That's. Fair.
All right, I'll, I'll put that story.
Hey, can you? Highlight Can you highlight
Doctor Evil's comment? I'd just like to say I'll put a
bounty out for this Doctor Evil 1996.
If you do that to Chad Schrader in Vegas, I will hook you up
with some underdog site credits. Does he go he.
Doesn't go he. Probably doesn't go.
I've never seen him there. I don't think he.
Goes because he does. He does like he does so many.
I don't think he can. You have to break.
Into his house, take his laptop, smash it just like RIP the top
right off and then spike that on the ground and leave I think.
Yeah, I mean, he's cuz he's does, he does a bunch like while
everyone's traveling and stuff too.
Like he's just in the, he's an old, you know, he might go to.
Kentucky. I didn't see him last time.
He might go to Kentucky. Yeah, I guess.
The volume isn't as high and. There you go.
If you're at the if you're at the Kentucky Fantasy Football
Championship, say it applies, which I.
Am this year. Denver.
So. Jacob and I, if I remember
correctly, we were, we were way pro, not pro Dobbins, but we
thought Koreans, I'm pro. Dobbins, you are you.
Pro Dobbins at one O 3 I am I. Haven't ranked the head of that.
I haven't ranked your state. State your case.
You're you're out of practice. He I'm calling.
You to testify, All right, I put my hand on the Catholic Bible
and no, it's been. There's one Bible, Yeah.
Can I know that the Gideon's, the Gideon's Bible thing, You're
really. Supposed to have the priest the
King George. Bible Last King James, I don't
go. Rogue and read the Bible.
King James. George probably had a fucking
Bible too. They all Bibles anyways.
I'm sure. There's a Trump Bible you can
buy. They're literally so the, I know
all the Dobbins, JK Dobbins, yeah, he's, he's always been a
good runner every single time he's been healthy.
And I'm not sure he's going to stay healthy all season.
But if we expect that he plays 12 to 14 games potentially, I
think his role is probably going to look reasonably similar to
what it looked like last year. He was way, way, way, way more
efficient than Harvey on a per touch basis last year as a
runner. Harvey, Sean and his role in the
receiving game, but they kind of just eliminated any sort of high
volume inside rushing attack when Dobbins went down, Harvey
didn't fulfill that. They shopped around the running
back market because they clearly valued that skill set.
They didn't have faith in Harvey to deliver it.
So yeah, I, I think that Harvey is the the better click in a
vacuum. Like I still have Harvey ranked
decisively above Dobbins because he has the higher upside and
he's the healthier player. But I I still think the median
expectation is that as long as these two are both on the team,
that Dobbins has the higher scoring back.
OK. I'm worried that for this price
on JK Dobbins, I am worried that it's just all trap touches and
not that he can't pay off. Like what about the goal?
Line touches. Well, this is.
This is such a Gretch thing. If I can try and do my my Gretch
bit, it's like, yeah, at the end of the season, JK Dobbins could
stay healthy and finish as the running back 19 in this role and
then never have topped 14 points in any.
That's fine on. Underdog like I'm I'm not as
into I'm not going to be as into Dobbins literally doing peat
event team PPR. Points if his peak peaked at
15.5 last year is. The underdog PPR site.
Well, PPR. Helps him because he gets a full
point for the reception. I'm saying he's, he's.
He doesn't have a scoring. Format he doesn't, sure, but in
the higher scoring format, he's fair peak at 15.5.
And it's not like there's a a negative, you know what I mean?
Like fair, fair enough. There's no.
Negatives on it won a game. One catch a game, it's not yeah.
One catch a game. He scored four touchdowns in 10
games. He's he's never scored more than
9 touchdowns in a season. I don't think he's like, I mean,
I certainly he's like a better bet if you're banking on
touchdowns than than Harvey, I'd say.
But it's not like he's Raheem Moster or something.
I was I was probably too low on him before, but I don't I mean,
I I did take him today on on a team where, you know, I was kind
of going, I was like hero running back.
I think I'm going to have Dijon. I just did like 10 drafts in two
hours. So forgive me.
I'm not sure exactly which team it was, but I took him on like a
team. It was like Dijon and you know,
some other like not so great running back.
And so I think he would end up being my running back three and
you know, stuff like that. Zero running back stuff.
Certainly he fits, but it's not like a a super strong value.
He got hurt again. You know, he's he's very, we
know that he's very limited. So you're you're now in the
range where he he goes near Jadarian Price, who's another
kind of two down type of guy. But I don't know.
I mean, price to me has a lot more upside and depending on the
type of like room that you're building, I like him better in
certain bills. If I need running back touches,
you know, if I like did a true hero running back or 0 running
back type of start, then I think Dobbins has some utility.
But yeah, if he's like my running back four later I
there's other options now I like better at his ADP.
OK. I I.
Never see him in my draft applet because the one hundreds are
what I refer to as the Xavier worthy rounds.
So I just don't. I just don't get much of of old
JK Dobbins. Only 27, I want to say I know
the mileage and the hard yards. Yeah, 27 through the season,
that's a. Hard 27 It's a hard hard.
It's a hard 27. He just goes in an area where I
really, really detest all the other running backs.
And like, I, I agree in a perfect world, if, if the draft
falls in a way that I have my 2 running backs early, 3 running
backs early, I don't need it. But like, I don't know if I'm,
if I'm picking at the three or the four or the five.
I'm taking a wide receiver in the first round.
I'm not taking Taylor and McCaffrey ahead of Chase Puka
and JSN and I'm probably not double tapping running back at
2-3. I'm I'm probably using at least
one of those picks either on Bowers or on one of the
receivers. There's not.
So I'm and then I'm in this spot and it's like once I get past
round four, like I, I really dislike the 5678 running backs.
Pretty much everyone after Montgomery and then Dobbbins to
me is Montgomery if you want. Yeah, I like.
Montgomery. I like Montgomery a lot.
Yeah, and you got? To figure it out.
You got to figure it out. I'd.
I'd probably take a lot more Jalen Warren than you do.
Yeah. I don't like I.
Don't not that into him I Ramandre.
I I take some. I take.
I'll take Dowdell too, I mean. Isn't Ramondre and Dobbins like
the same bet? Except I I felt way more
confident about. No Ramondre and Dobbins seem
like very similar. It's like they're both they're
they were the starter last year. They're dealing with year 2
backs who are going. But you'd also it would.
Be that's true, I just have more.
Confidence in Henderson as a talent than Harvey.
With Romandre, you're you're hoping that they just treat him
like they did at the end of last year and he's like a actual
starting running back and a good offense.
That was just way too cheap. It's not some kind of split, and
I don't really think that happens, but I think it happens
like enough to make him a decent enough pick to be like your RB3
in that range. Speaking of New England,
sometimes Romeo and the receiving corps is next.
These guys. Fucking stink, all of them.
I'm just. Drafting my entire portfolio
under the assumption that A.J. Brown is a new one.
Patriot so. Every.
I take Devonta Smith every single time in round four.
I think he's like my most drafted player.
Every time I draft A.J. Brown, I'm looking to stack with
May more than I'm looking to stack with her, so I think it's
inevitable. There's a new tweet from owners
meetings going around and one of the reporters said I leave
owners meetings convinced A.J. Brown is going to be a patriot
in 2026. And if I'm wrong, like even if
I'm wrong, what does it hurt me? Like do I like I feel like
there's way more of a chance the Dobbs and Bootay go down if the
A.J. Brown trade happens or if they
draft a wide receiver in the first round.
Whereas if they come out of this in their best case scenario,
there's no A.J. Brown trade.
You know, they don't take a wide receiver till round 3 or later.
Like are these guys going that much higher in July and August?
I I feel like not more than like 1/2 a round, maybe a round or
two with Bootay, but like how high are we really drafting
Romeo Dobbs? So it feels like the downside
risk is more available to me than the the upside case is I
like. That.
Point Where's Kyle Williams? Dead.
I kind of like. I kind of I kind of like him
just because I'm so not a dubs guy, but it's probably I'll I
don't see. The point of him right now
because of the AJB risk like they well he's.
Like a He's like the handcuffs outside.
He's like. A handcuff to the two guys
outside? What about Douglas?
But he. Might not be a handcuff because
because booty booty might get slid down.
He never passed booty last year, so and then yeah, in the slot,
maybe Kyle Williams. In the slot, but I.
Don't know that's true if Kyle. Williams was not good enough in
his second year to get on the field ahead of Case on booty.
I never should have draft him in the 1st place and the New
England Patriots shouldn't have either.
I have bad news for both you and the Patriots.
Probably, yeah. Sounds about right and I've.
Drafted plenty of Kyle ones, but like, we're drafting these
rookies because we don't know, right?
We really like genuinely don't know.
Neither do our opponents. And then we get a full season of
information and he just like he wasn't horrible.
He wasn't as bad as Jalen Polk or whatever, but he wasn't good.
You know, he he wasn't able to secure a role and, and last
year's depth chart was pretty wide open.
So now with Dobbs and probably AJB and then Booty, I mean,
Booty was good enough that like if if like Brown misses three
games, we never, you know. Pat, I'll put this to you as a
May guy. The May guy we never got.
The Patriots schedule was so stilted all the way through the
playoffs. We never got them in a jackpot
game where you knew who they really cared about when they
needed to score. Like they their whole season was
20 to 10 wins against The Jets or something.
Well, The Jets, I mean. That's not really true, really.
They yeah, I mean The Jets, May's whole MVP thing, people
were like, this doesn't count, 'cause he he was too good
against The Jets, cause The Jets were so trashed.
Well, forget the, but they were the.
Jets are not the point. The whole the the they had the
big comeback. Win against the Ravens in I
think it was Week 16, right? Yeah, after Lamar.
Left that's. Right, they beat, they beat the
Bills. In Buffalo, famously, I think
they famously they had a. They they lost.
In New England, but that was a total shoot out.
That was not a 20 to 10 game. That was like all right, so you
got you guys have. No inhibitions about what we I
don't, I don't think we. Got like a yeah, I don't have
interest in these bums. I do.
I'm interested in selecting A.J. Brown.
Yeah. I like I like to and Hunter
Henry is a pretty good pick too. That's and I do draft the
running backs because I take Henderson and and Romandre.
I don't take so much Romandre, but I will take him if I kind of
need them. So yeah, I, I kind of play it
through like Henderson is super explosive and you know, you get
second year breakup potential. I think it was a really good
prospect. So I mean, I, I don't think he's
an amazing pick in the 5th, but I, I certainly think it's fine.
And then you play it through May he's he runs, he's probably
spread the ball around some Dobbs.
I haven't gotten a ton when I'm when I've been drafting.
It's kind of gets to a range where like I know we're ahead of
ADP on him, but he kind of gets to a range where like I don't
really need the receiver there. I need other stuff.
The quarterbacks are there. So I haven't actually drafted
him that much. I'm going to take a look at that
ranking, but for like a. Similar.
Bat to Dobbs is Wandale, and I like Wandale significantly more,
yeah. Yeah, why situation?
Target Chair. Yeah, I just.
Well, I'm. I think Wandale is like, if, if
A.J. Brown comes in here, I just
think it's, it all of a sudden gets really clustered on top of
Dobbs. Whereas like Tennessee is so
wide open that I feel like you, you, I'm kind of assuming
they're going to draft a wide receiver either in round one or
early on day 2, but I don't think it'll be in Round 1.
So I, I think Wandale's probably still going to be their clear
top target on a team that I, I think is going to be a bit
improved with year two Ward and, and Dabel there.
And Wandale is like kind of whatever you think of him as a
player, like he, he can earn a lot of targets and he's going to
be in a team that probably has to throw from behind the lot and
in a spot where there's no one really challenging him for
targets. So I, I just think the ceilings
a little higher, right? He's with Dabel again, so.
Like you don't have to worry too much about the deployment being
really bad and dumb. Like they'll, they know how to
use them. Yeah.
OK. I mean, that's people.
Want to like stuff like that? Like they signed this slot guy
and they're like, yeah, he's playing X for us, you know, You
know, No, it's totally, yeah. Yeah.
All right. Risers, by the way, Blue Tay's
been. One of the worst picks in the
entire thing for like the Yeah, I think I have not taken.
Him once, yeah. I'd rather.
Say Williams. Yeah.
I'd rather. See if that's.
Fair. I'd I'd I'd take.
I'd rather take. Stone free Williams than Booty I
I just wouldn't. I just wouldn't bother.
I wouldn't bother. Either but but I would not
bute's been a bad pick and he I he remains a really bad pick, I
think. Devil, Devil you.
Do know versus the devil you don't know.
Oh, spoken like a true. Nor D Well, neither guy probably
has a. Job, which is the Peter Peter
Stasny. Was your answer sitting right
beside? Is that Paul?
'S dad, yeah, maybe.
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Stasnes. Peter, Anton.
And Marion, all right, moving on, risers.
Yes, Peter. Peter, Paul and Mary.
Sassy, Peter, Paul and Mary. Sassy, the last time I updated
my rankings I was flummoxed. Flummoxed to see this DJ Moore
ADP. Are we being so fucking people
Love DJ Moore. I just love DJ Moore.
Just just. Just a.
Another year of fading round
four. DJ Moore's incoming dude.
He's with Brady now. Brady's going to support.
Greg Brady is his new best friend.
That too old a reference? Has ADP chasing ever sounded
older? We know DJ Moore.
DJ Moore has. Remarkable just an incredible PR
team like I I actually don't it's been 2 years of hating on
this guy, but for me. So like maybe I just over index
on opinions I see online that I disagree with, but it just I
don't know that you asked. Majority of the tweets that I.
See, are like, if you don't think that DJ Moore is going to
be a top 12 wide receiver with Josh Allen, you don't know what
you're talking about. We're allowed fans, Jacob.
We're allowed fan. Base we're very it's not, it's
not just Bill. 'S fans like it's some Bill's
fans. It's more it's mostly like just
DJ Moore fans. Like, he just has a lot of
really ardent supporters in the community that like seemingly
have not shifted their view on him at all over the last two
years. And like, I mean, I, I read like
Matt Harmon's piece, which was reasonably optimistic on Moore
and I, and I thought he did like a pretty good job of being
honest about Moore's issues the last two years, but also giving,
I think a reasonable case for why he might look a lot better
this year. But the idea that he, he just
like, hasn't declined at all over the past two years, it's
like nonsense. And I see it all all over the
place. It's just, it's bizarre to me.
DJ Moore is. Funny, He's like some.
He's like a like a bar that you like we all we're going to and
then but kind of like changed, like the clientele sort of
turned over. He used to be the.
Left wing slappy, Yeah, he like, yeah, he was like if you were,
if you were a metrics guy, if you were a left wing slappy, DJ
Moore was your guy. I I was first.
One out on DJ Moore, I was, I was like the guy being like,
look, there was an incident with John Fetterman and a gun.
Actually, I don't know if we should nominate him.
Yeah. We I was like, listen.
Jacob, that table's being a little loud, but like, come.
On no, I never get. Politics, right?
But I was thinking of him just as you said his name.
That's a proud moment for me. More Brian Robinson, Romeo Dobbs
Covered David Montgomery, Jordan James, Naji Harris Here.
He's getting a lot of hype. Jordan, James, Zecion, Dobbins
and. Christian Kirk in San Francisco.
This is how I can tell. The Jordan James thing is how I
can tell a lot of people are relatively new to fantasy
football, to best ball. Yeah, because they're like,
dude, Jordan James running back too on the depth chart.
I'd like you guys to do a quick Google.
Very quick. Just Google 49ers draft history.
Kyle Shanahan. He takes a running back every
year, a year, the Trey. Sermon Chapter.
They keep me chasing. No Williams.
Tyrion, they took Eli Mitchell that same draft, Eli Mitchell,
right, Two guys And then. Starts the later drafted one.
That's his movie. That's what's so that's.
What's so weird about the Jordan James thing is like, I've read
this completely differently. There's this, there's this whole
that's. Good.
That's good way to go, Dorito. It's it's well, I keep seeing
this news cycle of, of, oh, look, you know, we, we got to
take wear and tear off Christian McCaffrey and I'm seeing the
Jordan James hive be like, clearly, clearly that is good
news for Jordan James. First of all, I don't believe
Kyle Shannon at all. I I believe that in his heart of
hearts he would like 0I. Believe, I believe.
That in his heart of hearts he would like to reduce the wear
and tear on Christian McCaffrey. I believe 0% that when push
comes to shove, he's going to do anything differently.
Like Sean, he says this every year.
Sean McVeigh would. Also like to play Blake Quorum a
little bit more and take a little bit of wear and tear.
Well, he actually did that last year.
To be fair, like to. You know, have less wear and
tear for Christian McCaffrey and Cal Shannon would also like to
work out more often and eat healthy.
Yeah, you know. And be less of a Dick and press
talk. Be less of a.
Dick, stop lying all the time, you know.
You'd like to start doing. Like maybe go for. 1/4 and.
One we've activated. We, by the way, we have
activated the Jordan James Hive. Oh no, right.
Of which it's so funny that there is a Jordan James Jordan
there's. A hive for.
Everybody like a four? 9 get out of here.
I'm saying honestly, healthy. All the the OK also here's.
The thing with if I believe Kyle Shannon for a second, which
again, I don't shouldn't, and and they are actually intent on
reducing Christian Mccaffrey's wear and tear, that tells me
they're going to be drafting a running back.
It doesn't tell me they're going to make room for Jordan James
that like, isn't Gorendo still on the team?
Like what are we even sure that Jordan James, the head of
Gurendo OK as a big. Gurendo guy last year it it's
it's over like the Gurendo thing is he like but what evidence is
there that. Jordan James is anything but a
figment of our imagination that Did you do anything?
That James was active and played ahead of Gurendo after Gurendo
got uninjured last year. OK, for.
Like what? Like.
For like 4 snaps for like yeah for.
Like literally like nothing. But yeah, Gurendo is giga dead.
Gurendo is. Remember that guy?
The Jordan. James Hive in the chat shows up
because Davis said everybody who's drafting him is new to
fantasy football. Meanwhile, you could be watching
us talk about the Pope. No, I I think that.
Jordan James is like a classic. You know, you're probably on the
newer side of best ball because he's just, he's a good managed
pick. I think he's a, you know, a
totally good. Manually pick like if we.
Were going to hold this guy until Week 1 and he's like
insurance on McCaffrey for free. And then if Mccaffrey's healthy
and we need to turn the spot, we turn it great.
If I was drafted the main event team this week and you guys were
like, let's draft Jordan James. Sure, Block, block.
Me in no problems no. Problems.
You don't. You don't know for sure that
this is even the winning ticket if McCaffrey gets hurt.
It's a total losing ticket. If McCaffrey never gets hurt,
like James is going to contribute 0 and there's a good
chance they draft somebody. There's a good chance that they
don't draft somebody and it's not Jordan James like they
traded for Brian Robinson last year.
They could. They could just bring in some
other veteran running back, the Brian Robinson.
Rug poll when I had all that Karendo was just like it was
like getting punched in the Dick.
It it was it was like Xavier worthy Part 2.
We were on screen I. I couldn't have possibly.
Been dared to draft Isaacarendo last year just like I couldn't
possibly be. Oh fucking look at this.
Guy, look at this guy. He was so smart enough already.
With these shitty San Francisco running backs, they don't exist.
They're not real. Do you want to guess how many
regular season touch touches James had last year and he?
Please take a guess. 1 The answer is zero the.
Answer is 0 touches, I don't remember 1.
Yeah. Every every 20.
Round running back is likely zero.
I mean, I'm not drafting many 20th round running backs, you
know. You know who you.
Know who isn't? There's not a lot of running
back. Clicks.
You know who's not a? Zero in the 20th round.
Naji Harris is scoring. 157 half point PPR points.
There's nothing you or I can do I'm sorry, okay?
I know you love to. Save fake information and then
say there's nothing you or I can do about it.
That's like your favorite thing to do, Renee.
Miss to score an 18 touchdown. So there's nothing you or I can
do about it. But.
Like, no he's not. 57100 and. 50 it's always a great Davis is the
best at the at the random. Yeah, it's great.
Yeah, it's always odd, never divisible by anything.
It's always prime 100. And 57.
Look man, don't fucking shoot. The messenger, I'm just the one
who gets. The.
Scroll from the future, Jacob. I didn't think dodgy.
Harris, Gordon Ginger could be a a good pick later and Nancy
Harris could maybe be an OK pick later, although coming off the
Achilles I don't have much interest in him running 14.2.
MPH Oh my God. Treadmill full speed for him.
Towing a. Sled.
Oh my God, man. But like, I don't know, I just,
I just feel like. We.
Want why are we like burning
roster spots? Most likely in the hopes of
what, like we might bink a a contingent play, You know what I
mean? Like just, I don't know, draft
George Fulani if you want to like.
Do something. Goofy, you know, he's like, I
don't know, I'm not really drafting.
See George Chelani. George Chelani.
I literally cannot even tell myself a story.
I did. I drafted him.
Once with with Sam Darnold today and I had to, I could be the
sidekick to do it because the sidekick thought it was dumb.
But yeah, I just had a little fun.
But I mean, I'm I don't think. Outside, like Nick.
Singleton right, like in K Tron Allen maybe down down deep.
I I took Seth McGowan once in the 20th today.
I there's not a lot of good running back clicks.
I I think Ray Davis. Is fine.
I'm actually confident he's the two.
That's interesting. We were.
Talking about him today, if I'm if I can sort of jump in here.
I know my Buffalo radio sources that was derogatory, but Ray
Davis became the first team all pro kick returner.
We covered that a couple of weeks ago.
I'm not sure he is. I think it's interesting Ty
Johnson got right there next to him and carries scored five
touchdowns last year, three through the air and he's under
contract too. There could be somebody new, but
but that's because Cook never got.
Hurt. Yeah, well.
Fine. And I I just want to say I.
Appreciate you just not calling him Davis because that would
have been very confusing, the first name all I did was say.
The coach's. Breakfast.
But sure, Brady could be confused as a coach these days.
He's everything, honestly. Good.
Yeah, Yeah, he could. And Tom Brady.
Well, well, Ray. Davis Ray Davis is most
certainly the two. This is just how NFL teams work
people. People have a real hard time
with this. This is basically how NFL teams
function in the modern era where the running back two stays in
his role and the running back three gets promoted.
We've actually even seen more extreme circumstances of that
where the running back two and the running back three stay in
their role and a guy gets promoted from the practice squad
to be the primary. Like fill in for the yeah.
Is that what the Caleb? Johnson hype is about.
Mike McCarthy had to. Invoke Sing 3 Hail Marys to
exchange how Caleb Johnson could possibly get on the field.
Mike McCarthy Throw Catholicism Catholic.
Yeah. That's yeah, yeah.
Yeah, Frank Gore Junior is the. Practice squad.
Bill's name you want. All right.
There you go. It could be someone new.
I hope that Richard. Smith, by the way, someone just
asked about it. He will make the Chiefs 53.
He will not be a useful or relevant fantasy player.
No, I, I. Yeah, that's he's pretty
unlikely being cut from all my. FFPC dynasty teams tonight, very
sadly, he got, he got. This is This is Sam Sherman's
greatest tweet. It it's oh fuck, what was it?
It's Amari de Mercado. It's Amari de Mercado is Spanish
for practice. Quad cut or something.
I don't. I don't remember what.
I got. I'm gonna have to go.
Dig it up. But it's it was.
It was. So, so good, I.
I always remembered the verbiage.
Amari de Mercado is Spanish for Richard Smith.
Can't play running back at the end at.
Least I can understand that. Yeah, Fallers ready?
Yes. Trey.
Benson, Stefan. Dicks Undraftable.
Trey Jensen completely. Undrafted.
I took Benson once today on a on a Cardinals thing that I was
doing. You you took, Marshall didn't.
Pay me to do it. I took.
I had LG or two, so I figured, well, you know, as long as it's
not James Conner. It's it's.
Good. Yeah, got a.
Sackers for the Denver. Receivers Jawan Jennings What
happens JCM Tyrone Tracy Kenyan Sadiq falling 5 spots Kyle
Shanahan Is is. Like making 35 calls a day
telling people not to sign Juan Channing.
He literally is. I'm kidding.
Yes, I'm convinced he's poisoned the well.
Yeah, it's weird. I.
Broncos. Running Broncos in the middle I
I. I've been doing this thing.
With JCM, where when I take Pollard, when I'm backed into
taking Pollard, I take JCM or I I don't take Ji, sorry, the
reverse of that. So on a non Pollard team, like
if it's close and I end up taking Jadarian price, I'm
taking JCM 'cause I'm making the directional bet that the Titans
are the team that takes Jeremiah love.
Because if the Titans take Jeremiah Love, JCM is like.
Quite a good pick. And then and then the the
converse of that, that if you take, if you do, if you do take
Pollard, that then means that all the other Washington running
backs are undrafted. Well, yeah.
Well, you can't take can't. Take Pollard.
Yeah. You.
You can't. You don't want to take two of
the Giants, right? Commanders.
Or Titans backs. There you go There you go.
I, I think, I think, I think another correlated 1 you could
do though is if you do take Love, I think you should
consider taking Giants backs because you're kind of betting
that he won't go to the Giants if you're taking love in the
early second round, right? I don't think.
I disagree. I think either he gets 300
touches and does good with them or he doesn't.
He's not gonna. Get 300 touches on the Giants if
the Giants. Take him and fucking give Cam
Scataboo 10 touches a game. Just hold the fucking
organization. He's not.
Just prepare yourself for that. Jamir.
Jamir Gibbs. Jamir Gibbs was like a backup to
David Montgomery for half the season as the 12th overall pick
three years ago. Why?
Not because there's new coaching staff.
OK. That was fun.
Run into a run into another telephone pole in your own time.
We're going to go ahead and like, imagine.
Imagine. The Giants hype video of
Jeremiah Love just looking at Cam Scataboo head butting the
concrete wall as they go out on the field.
Imagine thinking Joe. Shane has.
I think you're going to be in this organization annoyed by.
The amount of touches Cam Scataboo gets if the giants take
care of my love, Jeremiah love is not.
A workhorse play like you're It's a bet on explosiveness and
but it is a workhorse play. On the Titans of the command
here, he's an offensive. Weapon.
I don't know that it is, man. Like I, I would expect, I would
expect Pollard to still have a role if he's I think, I think
if. Jeremiah Love is taking with the
Titans. Pollard is a free agent the next
morning. I think it's Tennessee.
Traded or cut? Yeah.
What team? How much is he?
Making what, 7 million Or while he's making?
More than 7 million, but it's 7,000,000 is what they would
save by releasing him. Yeah, maybe you're right.
Well, why? Wouldn't.
They have already done that. Then what team needs because
they haven't. Made-up their mind yet?
What team? The Cardinals.
Took love. Than the Titans.
The. Commanders.
The commanders. The the Commanders have Jaden
Daniels, the the Titans have nothing.
You sound like a keeb. Talib arguing with Hayden Winks
today not getting. Word in I'll have to.
Wait, what's your? What's your argument show?
What team? In the NFLI, mean maybe for
years has needed more life injected into their offense than
the Titans would get from Jeremiah Love at four.
That's what they're going to do. They they have who who can name
any Titans? Cam Ward, I guess, but he was
pretty bad. Wandale Robinson really like it
it. Would be such a disaster later.
Yeah. Carnell.
Tate is Carnell Tate Juice.
Yeah, take Carnell Tate. Take.
Take Denzel Boston in the second.
Round at the beginning of the second round.
No, don't. I I think they should just.
Take the best player available at a premium position and if
that's a well, I don't think you not at a premium position, I
think they should take it. Edge rusher or an offensive
lineman. Yeah, Wow.
I would. Yeah, I would do the same thing.
I think you just build through the trenches, take those guys.
Unfortunately, the thing with the Titans is I don't think Camp
Ward is it So I mean, you can draft Jeremiah Love if you want,
but most likely you're gonna have they have to play their
hands. Quarterback like they think.
Running back is one of your key pieces, but I don't think you
force. I don't think you force a pick.
Like I would just never take a running back forth overall under
any circumstances. I think it's a a crazy thing to
do. It's a crazy, I'm not saying
they won't do it. Like I I think Love is clearly
gonna go four or five or seven. So an NFL team is.
I also think it's really short. Sighted to think about like
selling tickets. You know who sells all tickets?
Like teams that go to playoffs every year.
I think NFL teams. The Super.
Bowl. I think NFL teams sell tickets,
but then Tate. Like I, I get the argument you
need a receiver, but I just think that's an overdraft at
4:00 to take one of these receivers.
So I don't know, it's a little bit of an overdraft.
For sure like you'd like to take.
Offense but like or anything. You know, but like, just take
Reuben Bayne. Just checking around.
OK, yeah, I'm. Sold.
I would take Reuben Bayne and then take a wide.
Receiver in Round 2, Like that seems fine to me.
Like I don't. I know you have a young
quarterback and you'd like to pick offense if you can break a
tie towards it. But to me, like if the options
are an edge rusher, a clearly inferior tackle, a wide receiver
or a running back, I'm just taking the edge rusher I know,
but love is. Different.
And if he's not actually, never mind Ben, he's not.
He's not. Different do it he's the.
Same as all these. Other guys, he's the same as all
these high end guys that haven't changed franchises.
Saquon didn't change the giant Giants franchise.
Bijon hasn't changed the Falcons franchise.
Gente hasn't changed the Raiders franchise.
I'm just trying to think. Like I think the Titans would
think. Well, I think you're right, Joe.
I think the Titans will do it. That was my point.
What team needs more like injection of talent that they
can market than that team like in years?
So he is that. It's not Carnell Tate, it's
probably not even Ruben Baines. It's just The Jets.
Yeah. No, you're probably right.
You're probably right. That's I just think, I think
he's. Going there, that's all I meant.
Yeah, I think he's most likely. To go there for sure, but I
agree it would be the IT would be the least defensible because
I think the the most defensible is is the commanders where like
you big time agreed. You have.
Jayden Daniels, you figured out quarterback.
You've got Jayden Daniels on the rookie deal a couple more years,
you've got a receiver. Should you spend the pick on
another receiver? Yeah, maybe 2.
Maybe you get it, But yeah, you're.
Convinced you're going to get IU cheaply so you got the receiver
figured out. So it's like a it's AI would
think a pretty disastrous decision.
But you can you can see how like with Jeremiah Love, they're a
really fun offense next year. And you know, he's probably not
the difference of them making the playoffs or not, but like, I
don't know, maybe maybe they're on the bubble and he gets them
through. So in in.
Fantasy or even in dynasty. Where do you want him?
You want him in Washington. That's that's yeah. 1A, Yeah.
Washington's best. By far, Washington's a smash.
OK, yeah. And I would go.
Titans 2 and then Giants 3. But maybe these guys think
Giants. I don't think Titans is.
Is great. I I don't love Titans cuz I
mean, it's the the problem is he's on the Titans.
Well, that is the problem. Right, it's the problem with
being on the. Titans, it's the problem, but I
do. Think if he goes to the Titans
he instantly gets like 360 touches like no problem.
I think they caught Baller. How?
They play it. I think they caught.
Baller and. Experiences like a complete like
what? Afterthought.
No, Callahan's gone. He's gone.
Both are gone. Yeah, there's no.
More Callahan's. I don't think he's really
that's. Not, I don't know, I I think it
probably takes him a a couple years to get like loaded up.
I I think it's worth doing like the Dalvin Cook career arc or
something like that where he's he's the lead from the jump, but
he's not like a true. Workhorse.
Until year two or three, that would be my guess speaking.
Of. Running backs Davis this the
floor is yours. I don't speak survivor, but I
speak traitors. These next few slides are the
Davis show the. Rising cost of running.
Back what have we seen this year versus recent years?
This is our math. The slappies.
The Slappies. Are fucking crying uncle is is
what we is what we're seeing like the the that famous stream
with Bime 4 that basically like I think that was that what that
would have been BBM three we saw the widers.
BBM 2. We saw a wide receiver price go
up, up, up, up, up. I think it was 2.
The slappies held the. Lines last year.
And now the slappies have. Fully capitulated.
It's it's over. It's over even your even your
most aggressive wide receiver drafting Bros are like dude I
need 2 running backs for three rounds.
Got to make sure to get Josh Jacobs here.
Dude, if we don't get Kyron Williams, this team is a
disaster and. There are two.
Things that are are influencing that in my mind.
The 1st is, and I assume there's some data here on the slides, I
don't know if that did this or not, but we are at a tent.
Yeah, there you go. We are at basically a 10 year
nadir. The the data goes even further
back from this in terms of EPA per play per drop back.
And then we are at a not only are rushes almost a positive EPA
per play, we're talking, this would be like the first time in
the history of organized football that this is true.
I mean, it's probably true in college.
I guess I've never done the math for that.
But basically, for as long as the forward pass has existed,
everyone is known well. If you want to score points, you
got to pass the ball, or at least at at the very least stop
the other team from passing the ball.
If you're a defense wins championships type person, it
is. We got to be able to stop the
other team from passing the ball.
And for a lot of very complicated reasons, of which
Menachems could do a better job telling you about than I could.
Passing the ball has become. Much harder.
It's become much harder One, because quarterbacks are not as
good. 2 This evolution of it's it's not as simple as to say
quarterbacks are better. Than they used to be.
Can we give them credit? Some of them are.
Some of them are like football, like.
Trent Dilfer won Super Bowl. You know you didn't.
You didn't making my point. What's?
What was the? Brad Johnson won a Super Bowl.
Like I don't go ahead. Sorry you don't get a bro.
You can do a. Full field read.
So obviously. Those, obviously those guys
existed in a different NFL because the defensive players
are bigger, stronger and faster. I remember being really young
and watching a lot of college football with my dad and then
just asking my dad one time, like, why do they not run the
option in the NFL? Like it's obviously such a, it's
such a sick play. Like why do they not run the
option in the NFL? And if you were to watch a team
try and run an option against the NFL defense for five fucking
minutes, you'd be like, well, no shit, this doesn't work.
They're too fast. They're too the the £300
defensive lineman get to the edge as fast as the running back
does. The linebackers are just
nightmares in space. The defensive backs are so
strong that they can make open field tackles on the running
backs. It's just a whole different ball
game. And so that is extended to as
defenses have gotten more complex and intricate.
Defenders are also just better at their job.
They're so athletic. I think it's really hard to
understate how insane it is like what Nick M and Maury did for
the Seahawks last year. The ability to like both be a
run stopping linebacker and like not even just a non liability in
coverage, but like a really good just just above average in
coverage. Like doing both of those roles
is insane. Do I think that this trend will
continue in 2026? I mean, I really hope not.
I really hope that like Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay and Andy
Reid and Shane Steiken and these guys have been absolutely in the
lab ready to go with things that are going to make defenses head
spin. I I don't know.
I do not know if that will will be the case.
I I have some ideas. I think I had this idea two
years ago. I did a whole tweet thread on it
about why going to more 12 and 13 personnel tilts the field
away from the defense. And then Sean McVay and the
Seahawks did it last year to great success.
Because you can obviously run much easier out of those
formations. And if you are comfortable
dedicating 50 targets to Colby Parkinson, if you are
comfortable shifting, I mean, what did, what did, what did
Terrence Ferguson get as the third tight end on the Rams or
whatever? Yeah, it's, it's like.
The The thing is they're doing what the Rams are doing is
they're kind of like they're conceding like from the, the,
the, the thing we would like to do is put our best pass catchers
out on the field. But we know you kind of have
answers for that now. So we're going to put are not
best pass catchers out on the field or at least some of them,
and then pass because you're going to assume that you can't
just put your pass stoppers out there because we have run
formations and then we'll pass out of this.
But we really are still doing it to pass.
It's like heavy personnel for the purposes of passing.
But then the defense is like actually are just going to play
this like pass. So now you're going to have to
run the ball out of heavy personnel, which is what you
know. So yeah, eventually it's gonna
be like the goal line formation trick.
Play well. Well, let me let me offer you.
Let me offer you a sliver. I think it's gonna go the.
Other way, yeah. No, I do go ahead.
Jacob. I.
Just think it's gonna go the other way, which is that this
this whole bit like the gambit of Seattle is especially
interesting last year because they it's so clearly what Mike
McDonald thinks that the right answer is because they were a
team that on offense, it went a ton of heavy personnel with the
goal of, I mean, they did run it at a high volume, but really
they were kind of just like accepting running from heavy
personnel into condensed formations.
They're accepting they wouldn't be that efficient doing that,
but they thought it was really important to maintain enough of
a balance to be able to throw the ball really explosively.
You saw similar to the Patriots, like had a lot of condensed
formation. They didn't even run the ball as
much out of it in the Rams. Similarly, but then on defense,
Seattle was not doing what they were trying to bait teams into.
If you got heavy on Seattle, they went 2 middle fingers, they
stayed nickel and they were like, if you want to run the
ball for six yards of carry, go add.
But we're we're not we're not taking the bait.
We're not going to let you get explosive pass plays.
So I think that's the lesson that eventually defenses will
learn is they'll be like, OK, well then just run the ball.
And I think that offenses will eventually realize like, well,
we actually don't wanna just run the ball over and over and over
again, even if. It's like reasonably efficient.
So like, if the defense is just gonna play nickel like it used
to be, the defense would play base no matter what.
And so passing was ridiculously efficient because no matter
what, if it was first and 10, second and 10, you're just going
against like a four, three and you can play Jimmy Graham at
tight end or whatever. And it's easy.
Now it's gonna be the inverse where if the defense is just
gonna play small personnel, no matter what they're gonna be
like, well, it is closer between running and passing.
But like, if we can't bait you into defending the run to give
us some numbers advantage passing, we'll just pass worse
because passing is still better than running.
Like even you're you're seeing this EPA differential like
despite it getting way closer, passing is still more efficient.
And so I think if defenses just concede the run and you can't
bait them into favorable looks, they're just eventually gonna
have to pass on unfavorable looks and live with it.
Yeah, I I agree. And.
I, I think like what they're doing is they're basically
there's like a little edge left. If you can like push some of
these defenses into certain looks and you like know their
rules and you kind of, they have a limited plays at a certain
sets. Like that's what a lot of these
OCS are like trying to do. They're like, hey, out of these
formations, they only run these coverages.
So let's get them into those formations and then pass against
coverages that we know we're gonna see 'cause that's all they
have prepped for in those coverages.
Well, guess what? Like like next year, unless
you're just a terrible defense, you're going to have more
coverages out of those heavy personnel, right?
And then like 3 years from now, literally every defense in the
league will will have that sorted out.
So at some point you're going to have to go like the Rams are
playing left-handed it right. In a way they're like we, but we
can play, if we play left-handed, then we can do all
the stuff we like to do. So let's play left-handed a
little bit. But eventually they're just
going to go, well, we're right-handed, why don't we start
playing right-handed again, right?
And. Just go back to to, you know,
speed and challenging these guys with more weapons that are
actually like, the best thing they do is catch the ball and
create after the catch. Like they they are intentionally
not putting their best play making receivers on the field to
get better looks. And if that's not working, then
they yeah, the obvious pivot is to just put better receivers out
on the field again. I have AI have a light.
At the end of the tunnel for you guys, which is that you know
what defense I actually Cody Alexander, who runs match
quarters like this huge sub stack about defensive coaching.
He was assistant assistant defensive coordinator for
Baylor. I had him on my podcast and we
were talking about this, this was last offseason and he said,
you know, one thing defensive coordinators really fucking hate
is getting the ball ran on them. You know what really, really
sucks as a defensive coordinator?
When the other team lines him up and just runs 5 yards per carry.
I mean that. Is that is what has been ruining
defensive strategy in the NFL four years and continues to.
But eventually I think like, you know, you know what coaches used
to hate going like going for it on 4th and a foot, but like now
most of them do it. And like, eventually defensive
coordinators just have to make peace with giving up six yards
of carry and it's OK. Well then I.
Don't have a light in the tunnel for us, and it's probably just
going to keep Mike McDonald, you know?
No, I think the light at the end of the tunnel is that.
Running the ball efficiently isn't that good.
Like the light at the end of the tunnel is like offenses are
eventually just going to get tired of that.
Also, you're laying in the. Tunnel is.
The NFL is basically like doing everything they can to get teams
to run the ball and stop using light, light personnel against
them and three wide receiver sets and passing is still
significantly more efficient than rushing, which is negative
EPA still like we can't you know, like at some point the
fact that it's. Negative.
EPA is like God damn we can't. We can't make this positive.
Also, you're paying your quarterback.
Positive. You're paying your quarterback
$45 million. Yeah, you're paying your.
Quarterback a bazillion. Dollars to hand it off to Jordan
fucking James it's gonna. Eventually you get tired of
that. Just bring it, Phil Rillin.
Phil the Brivers dude the. Comment war that's going on in
the chat about Philip Rivers is nauseating.
I I I I I will. I was going to say I refused to
acknowledge, but I'm I'm literally just going to
acknowledge the whoever person is talking about how Jamarcus
Russell would be carving up the modern day NFL right now.
Like time out, like take take a lap.
Ridiculous. The the fantasy aspect of this
to me is exactly what I forget now because it was 17 Philip
Rivers bull posts ago. But someone in the comments said
the biggest difference is the slappy running backs are being
taken earlier. And I agree that's what's
changing my behavior. Like in the old 345 years ago
version of this drafting landscape when everybody took
running backs earlier, I was fine.
I was totally fine playing A0RB game because exactly Hendo would
have been a six and Harvey would have been and and eight and two
would have been like 100. And so like I'm crazy exactly
like all all of well, but like all all these year 2 backs that
are like very kind of shaky are like I'm not into them at cost
right now because these are the guys to me are getting boosted
up the most. Like Henderson and Harvey are
like probable week 1 backups who are going several rounds ahead
of their starter, right? Like Bischel Tooten is a
completely unproven projection. Who's going?
I'm at the four or five turns, so these uncomfortable click
running backs are getting pushed up where it's like, yeah, I
guess I do just have to take my running backs early because the
intriguing bets aren't there. Plus, this draft class sucks, so
even the late run, that's the big thing for me.
I can't even take shots. Late because it's like I don't
really want to bloat up on genarian price Jonah Coleman,
Mike Washington, Emmett Johnson, Nick Singleton like it's it's so
the the mid round running backs are at way less beneficial
prices than they used to be and the and the rookie running back
class socks. So you you kind of have to give
in to the boomers a bit like, yeah, it's tough that that's
that's. Right.
I mean, you you have it's huge that the rookie running back
class does not have any depth to it.
It's got Jeremiah Love, but like he goes in the second round.
It's got Jadarian price. So I think it's like a fine
enough type of play, but he's not an amazing click in in the
90s. I think there's some room for
upside there. But and then like after that,
you know, I liked Coleman best after that, but I I'm worried
about his draft capital. I think Mike Washington, you
know, I feel like at this point the value has been kind of
squeezed out there. I don't think he's a very good
running back. I know he's very, very athletic,
but like there's not. I mean, yeah.
And like Singleton could be a career backup.
That wouldn't surprise me at all.
Katron Allen could be a career, almost surprise me if he wasn't.
Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
So I don't like that really, really matters when you're
talking about like what the roster instruction look like.
And guess what? It matters pre draft.
That's the other part of this. I think it's like a little silly
to to say like the 2026 like is the year that like running back
prices rebounded. Like we haven't started yet.
BBM hasn't launched yet. This is just the pre draft
period. Like, we don't, we don't know
the Davis. Maticification of our fucking
basketball economy is it. Everyone thinks that basketball
starts in January now because Davis went live during the NFC
championship game. Like I like the pre draft stuff
but this is dynasty season don't tread on me.
Yeah, I'm doing. I'm doing my part, I'm doing my
part. I just did.
I just did.
AI just did a fucking 30 minute wide receiver tears video before
before we did this. I'm and you're not even big.
Fantasy. But like, you're not even big
fantasy. I can you, Can you?
Imagine in the pre 0RB world when when everybody was drafting
running backs high and we were drafting running backs late, how
much higher David Montgomery would be going than Trevion
Henderson right now. It would be several rounds so
much higher. Several rounds.
So the fact not that the running back prices of the have averted,
but all of our favorite running backs are the ones that go high
sucks. It like really, really sucks.
Well, it does suck, but it it's. It's like the idea that like
somehow the boomers want yeah, the boomers were dying to draft
bezel tooten in the four or five turn and they're and they're
very excited and they think it's great we're experiencing right
now is. Slappy panic.
We're experiencing slappies. It's it's it's, it's slap
flation. It's slap flation.
This is slap flation on the on the running back profiles and we
don't have the rookie profiles to kind of back them up, but
like I don't know. What it wasn't.
That long ago? Was it 2 years ago that Chase
Brown was going in the hundreds pre draft?
It was like in the 100 and 20s that was literally the Vaishal
Tuten. Bat that was literally the tuten
bat like like fun college player next to like the most Chris
Rodriguez ass player in Zach Moss and Zach Moss was going
first. He was going first the whole
summer. I missed the.
The Chase Brown debate off that one screen pass, is he good or
is he not off the one screen pass when he went 50 I think.
Yeah, it's one. More screen.
Pass than Tuten had he. Showed more in his rookie year.
But but yeah, I mean, it's basically the same bet I was
loading up on. Chase Brown to pick 115 and Zach
Moss is going at like 95. Yeah.
Like it's, it's just, it's so infuriating what's happened.
But if you have that. OK, if you if you, well, I
should say, if you don't have those types of bets, second year
type of bets available to you. Like in an in a world where
Trayvon Henderson was an eighth round pick and a world where
Beschel Tuten was a tenth round pick because we steamed him up a
little bit from the 12th where he started, right.
Like in that world then yeah, we can we have the we have the
right to kind of load up on receivers because we're making
better running back bets as evidenced by the current prices.
Then, you know, then our opponents for less cost.
So like let's draft wide receivers first and we'll get
the we'll get better running back value anyway, you know, for
so and then and then there's rookies that we can, we can
tackle on top of that for a late season upset.
But this year, all the late season rookie upside is that
wide receiver 'cause there's a bunch of guys who go for free at
the end of the draft. And then like Omar Cooper, I
think is still, since you said you prefer him to Boston.
I've, I've not once been able to come up with a good counter
argument to that. So I've just fully capitulated
in the week since and it's like, yeah, he's still in the one 40s.
Pretty good actually. He's probably going to be a
seventh round pick after he gets drafted in the first round.
Why don't I drop more of him? KZ Concepcion is a great pick at
at cost. He's still like at 117 or
something. So I'm getting all this wide
receiver upside late, you know? Generally I'm.
Taking wide receivers early as well, but like, I, I know the
rookie class can help me out at wide receiver in a way they kind
of can't at running back. And so I'm, I'm taking more
running backs early, but it's not like I will draft some Josh
Jacobs, I'll draft some Kyron Williams in the 4th or whatever.
But like, which are, you know, more boomerie.
But generally I'm drafting guys that are like exciting upside
swings in my mind. You know, like Henderson is
Henderson is speculative and a bet on talent, right?
Toton is speculative and a bet on talent.
So yeah, the the the order in which I'm taking these guys has
changed a little bit, but the types of teams I'm assembling
aren't really that different ultimately, which is mine are
pretty. Different the Boomers have won.
Somehow mine are pretty different.
Like I my, I don't know if it's boomers have won or not.
It's just I, I. I'm I'm drafting.
Different profiles of players because the prices have changed
so dramatically. Like I, I don't like Travian
Anderson at this price. I don't like Harvey at this
price. I, I, I like Tootin at this
price, but I certainly don't love it, You know, like, if so,
it's, it's, it's difficult. Like I, I'm trying to take more
of frankly, I'm just trying to go running back, running back as
much as I can because I really like the running back prices in
the first two rounds. But I also, I'm not doing that
every time because like, yeah, I'm not going.
To just not take. Jamar Chase all summer or not
going to take. So it's just it's it's it's just
very, very difficult. I think where previously,
previously the key to assembling a nice 0 running back room is
you mix in some floor play, early season guys, some like as
Crack Rock would say the PPR guys.
And then you also get these really fun upside swings for the
second-half of the season at reasonable costs.
But I just don't see a lot of those guys there.
Like if you're trying to do a 0 running back room now, the way I
would have built them three years ago, even though it's at
similar price points, it's like you start clicking running backs
1/7 it's there's not a lot of fun guys there anymore unless
you really like Jake Price or Mike.
Like it's like you're. Driving like Jake Will punches,
JK Dobbins, Juba Hubbard, Tony Paul and it's like those are
guys where it's like you're hoping to just survive.
And that's not how 0 running back teams win because then you
are just giving up projection. So you you unless you really,
really hit on the receiver. So it's it's just hard.
That's what he is. Actually, I do like cuz I'm like
well, yeah, price, price is. Fun.
I can see the appeal, but like the the, the goal was I'm
drafting someone like a like a Henderson, if he was going in
the seventh, who I'm hoping, if I'm right can down the stretch
and performing like a round one, round two player.
And I got him at the 7th after I got all these stud wide
receivers. But that's just not, it's just
not available, which I don't think it's like it's, it's not
really the boomers being right or the boomers being wrong.
I just think frankly, the whole draft environment is is much
smarter where they're they're pricing up these running backs
in a way that you can't hack it. And yeah, it's tough.
Well, the other thing go. Ahead, Sorry you guys already
said this. Week or two ago, but it makes
Saquon Barkley such a great pick.
I think Saquon Barkley. 'S a really good pick, yeah.
He's sort of like down the middle.
There and you can accomplish a lot of the things you're talking
about, check a lot of the boxes. Look, it's a fucking it's.
A fucking big board. Most most you can spend is $1500
if you were to Max out every contest other than the 333 on
DraftKings, Every pre draft contest, drafters, DraftKings,
whatever, you spend less than than $5000.
I think less than $4000. I'm just drafting the shit.
Out of Kenneth Walker. I like Walker so much.
Yeah, Walker's. Good.
I drafted him on a bigger board today.
It was fun. It's the it's it's.
The it's the most like I'll, I will be much more calm and
measured when all the, the bigger contests are out and I'm
drafting and drafting and drafting, drafting, drafting.
But I just right now I'm like, bro, if Evan Silva and like
Matthew Berry and all these guys when they start doing their
rankings, like aren't they just gonna put Ken Walker at like 8?
Like isn't Evan Silva just gonna put Ken Walker at 8?
Pat, you were on with that one. Right.
I was on with Evan we. Did a rookie draft.
I didn't ask him where he was gonna rank.
Ken Walker. I could see it.
I could see it'll be time for that.
Like what? Where is Kenneth?
Walker gonna be in the to be honest, but.
Because where's Kenneth Walker? Going to.
Be on the default Yahoo applet like.
Probably where he is. Now, yeah. 16 What is that?
17 I don't know, man. I.
Don't know on this chart. He's 19.3.
That's the ADP Walker. We've got the top iron.
In the index. So tell me where?
Davis, So he's going ahead of Barclay.
He's going ahead of Love, which I could see in the default Yahoo
app certainly. But wait, he's not going ahead
of Barclay. Or love no no in this?
In this boomer, the Yahoo, the Yahoo in.
Davis's dream in Davis. 'S dream world, not the dream.
I'm trying to predict the future.
OK, well the full like. You're like a Targaryen dream.
Like when they dream of things yet to come.
Yeah, precisely. Precisely, Yeah.
Here's here's my, here's my, here's my.
But it's confusing and hard to. Interpret, but it's confusing
well. That's that's like most things,
Davis says. Yeah, Well, well.
This all might mean that Burchard Smith is the answer.
Quick, quick. Yes or no?
Who who of these guys are there any early running backs you're
out on and are there any that you're drafting like
consistently more than your your 8.3%?
I'm out. On Hampton, Hampton feels like
the same total. Total.
Trap I am sometimes even though. With, you know, I don't have him
ranked super high. I still do take him.
I'm not anti. Hampton.
But I like, love Barkley and Walker all more, so I just never
really get to Hampton. Yeah.
And and. HN I'm I'm having yeah, wait, I
unfortunately. Don't see it and I take that as
well. I I just like keeping it 100.
Percent I don't take leader of the HN.
He's. Not going to.
Lose. That's what they say.
I mean, I'm Chase Brown. I don't take much.
Walker, I'll take him in the third if he falls, but I don't
really agree. I'll take Chase Brown in the
second. I take Brown.
Occasionally, because if I, if I start with, if I start with a
wide receiver at 3-4 or five and then Walker's gone, I'm usually
taking Henry or Brown. You know what I take?
Almost. None of is ETN.
They haven't taken him. At all, so I was taking.
A ton of him before he signed with the Saints, because the
rumor was that I thought he was going to be the one going to the
Chiefs. So I was hammering the ETN
button and now I'm like, well, I'm happy with the amount of ETN
that I have. Yeah, it is.
I mean the one that I like that I'm sure you guys are going to
be like gross is. I mean, I think Kyron is just
like such a good pick where he goes.
I don't, I don't get. That I take him in the 4th.
I've never gotten the Kyron thing.
I especially don't get it now that we've already seen like
quorum gap like 40% of the carries.
It doesn't. It doesn't compute to me, but
it's. Just gonna, just gonna turn.
In another 12 I just I. Just I just take.
Breece Once I get to the third, it's just breeze.
I you guys, you guys got me on Breece I'm.
I'm totally back in on Breece, but we're not taking.
Kyron in the third he's he's like a fourth round.
Isn't his ADP ahead of? Braces or or or the braces?
I don't think so. Slide.
Well, he's not on the slide. I take Kyron.
I take Kyron ahead of Tet. I take Kyron ahead of of Garrett
Wilson. I take Kyron ahead of Lad.
So I, I, I, I love Garrett Wilson.
Third round is just a jet every time.
I have 100% New York Jet exposure around.
Yeah, well, that's never burned anyone.
Are they trading Devante? Adams, the Rams.
No, I think they're just I. Think they just.
Think he's cooked. I mean, that is basically what
it sounded like to me, is what McVeigh said.
They've been listening to stealing.
Signals, yeah. Or or or.
Stealing bananas, I should say. I think Seagull's even more
convinced of Adam's crookedness than Ben to be.
Yeah, I want to talk. Can we talk about?
Jonathan Brooks, dude, yeah. I've been taking.
Him I'm I'm pressing that. Fucking button a lot.
He's like the last guy. He's he's the last guy that you
could be like, well, he could just start Week 1.
I mean, I know he's probably not going to, but he's the last guy
that you can even wish cast that about, I think.
The thing with Brooks? That's tough for me is like
we've never seen this guy play yet.
Like he's functionally still a rookie and he's been with two
torn Acls and like the hype is that he's expected to
participate in offseason workouts.
Like I'm can I at least get that he looks awesome in them?
Like I have to, you know, like, I don't know, I I want to take
him. I wish he was free.
I thought maybe he's he's just going to get.
So much more expensive throughout the summer.
I can, I can feel this from me. But yeah, so if you don't, if
you, if you don't want to take him now, you better be happy
with your 0% because he's going to go and like the he's going to
go like one O 4 by August. I don't have 0.
But. I mean, I don't know, I.
I would certainly rather make a bet on like Trayvon Henderson at
a higher than ideal Price or Cam Scataboo and pray they don't
draft Jeremiah Love or Quinchon Judkins and pray they figure out
some kind of quarterback situation or baseball too.
There's a late running. Back I like and pray that Chris.
Rodriguez doesn't. No, actually it'll be fun.
So, yeah, I I think like that premium versus.
Meeting Brooks. I know.
Brooks doesn't cost anything, but like building a roster
construction which like Jonathan Brooks contributing like really
matters to my team seems, I don't know, not that much.
It matters a lot because. There's not that many dudes like
you're just, it's like if you, if you're in a team where you're
taking Brooks, you probably also have like Rashad White or JCM or
Aaron Jones or Jordan Mason or some of these other guys and
you're like, and like 7 probably.
Do need them? Yeah, maybe I don't.
There's just not that. There's not many guys being
well. Gamewell.
I like, I do like Gamewell. Oh really?
I couldn't be more. Out on Gainwell like.
To what extent, really? Black Brooks.
They're not on the same team. So I don't think by my, I don't
think, I don't see him blocking. Tampa.
That's right. Sorry.
About that we. Can't at all.
Are you actually saying, are you thinking that?
Brooks. Converts to defense and gainwell
like gets him in pass protection or what I.
Don't. NFC South.
I'll just sorry about that.
So Brooks Camara, is Camara just dead to us?
Certainly. Certainly.
On the rock, I couldn't care less about.
Alvin Camara, I think that the I'm not an ETN guy, but if, if
like the amount of FUD that I've seen on ETN in the last week is
something I could become an ETN guy pretty quick.
I, I don't believe that Alvin Camara is gonna be on the week 1
roster at all. I don't care what Keller Moore
says and I don't believe that he's gonna do anything cuz he's
completely an unbelievably cooked and he doesn't even he's
like one of the worst pass protection backs in the NFL.
So it's not even like fat Zeke where he has utility.
He's just he's just bad at everything.
Wait, why are you out on? Gamewell.
Gamewell's good. He's on a a solid off he.
Had one good year that came out of nowhere.
He's like wide receiver. He's like the running back.
Parker, WA or Alec Pierce, No. He was a really fun prospect and
he got buried by OK, he was a fun prospect.
For a guy who was drafted in round five and then he got, and
then he got chances in Philly and he never did shit.
And he was, he was, he was pretty good in, in Pittsburgh.
I'll give him credit for that. But I, I think he's being
drafted really high. He's, he's a, he's a clear
second behind Bucky Irving at the 110.
He's gonna draft at like a head of, he's gonna draft at like 6
picks behind JK Dobbins. He's just a starter.
And then if, if Bucky even went down, I, I don't think he's, I
still think Tucker's better than him.
The callbacks are. Yeah, I don't think so.
I mean. The Tucker's better than him is
is undercut by them like almost letting him walk and then
signing Gainwell. So I don't think they think that
And I and I think Tucker's kind of most likely limited to you
know some short yardage stuff and they would they would turn
to Gainwell as the primary guy. So gainwell.
Is a is he's a receiving role player in a split.
Is is you're hoping and then you're and then if he gets his
contingent value, he doesn't get goal line work.
I think he would get. Some goal line work and if he
doesn't get any goal line work, then Bucky's the worst pickle on
the board. If Sean Tucker's like a
dedicated goal line back, then like, what are we doing with
Bucky? Well, I don't think I don't
You're you're. Betting that Tucker.
Bucky is not really part of their plans.
Why? Why?
Can't they both get goal line work over Kenny Gainwell?
Why does Kenny Gainwell get any goal line work?
Because they I mean. I think the the answer is
because Tucker's not like a huge part of what they're doing and
never has been, and they just brought in Gainwell.
On like a pretty decent contract.
Right. And he just get paid.
Yeah. I mean, the contract is the
contract is solid for sure. The contract solid was really.
Good last year so. Yeah.
He was, he was solid 9.9 point. $8 million guaranteed like I.
They have plan they had. He's in their plans.
He's clearly in. I mean, yeah, he's he's.
Definitely going to have a weak one.
He's good and he catches passes I.
Don't think I don't think he's good.
I do think he catches passes. Yeah, I mean, look.
This is the type of profile that has burned us in the past.
Because they're fun college players.
They don't tend to, especially early on their career, like
carve out the roles that we're looking for.
But when one of these guys ends up getting paid later in his
career then and, and off of a season where he looked really
good, then I, I think, you know, at that point, I, I do kind of
go back and be like, yeah, this is a player that I believed in
when he was coming out. He got buried, as you know, kind
of undersized pass, pass sketching running backs who
don't have a lot of draft capital tend to do.
But now he has a good chance to kind of break out later in his
career. It's kind of like a day three
wide receiver or something, you know?
But do you think you can? Like usurp Bucky without an
injury is that is that part of the bat is the price just seems
really high for a. Role play, I don't think he's
going to. Usurp Bucky without an injury.
But we just talked about how, like, all the fun, you know,
like, none of those those bets don't like exist.
Like, I mean, you can talk about Dobbins.
Dobbins isn't going to usurp anything, you know, other than
what best case is going to be what he got right back for the
Denver Broncos. Sure, he's going to.
He's going to catch. 11 passes again and maybe he'll score 6
touchdowns and you'll you'll feel good about spending the
105th pick on it. But it's not like there's not a
lot of guys that have like we, the market's just done a better
job of pricing those guys up. Frankly, I'm hoping that new
people will come in and be like, this is the stupidest price I've
ever seen on baseball. Tuten and Travian Henderson and
you know, Quinch on Judkins or whatever and we can get them
back in the 6th and 7th round. And I hope draft like we used
to. But for now, I think, I think I
mean, I would compare him more to Blake Quorum where you're
like, I've got a guy who's probably going to be involved
and he's an elite kind of contingent type of play.
Maybe you quibble with that because I think Quorum, but I
think he's high a better contingent play.
Because I I think if Chiron goes down, I'm pumped to have Quorum
in my lineup. If if I could see a world where
Bucky goes down and Gainwell is is fine.
But like, him and Tucker are on a 5050 split and Gainwell
doesn't even have the goal line. Yeah, I would struggle to see.
A 5050 split given the the team level commitment for those guys
and Tucker Tucker's been good, but you know, isn't isn't this
just. This year, Classic running back
three becomes the running back one situation isn't that it's my
read, but. It's not.
Yeah. You think Tucker would become
the? Running back one, yeah, and
Gainwell. Gain maybe because maybe I drive
some Tucker so that. That would be that would be fun
on that level. But it's Ray Davis, too.
Right. Ray Davis is kind of a three
Buffalo. Yeah, that's, that's exactly
that's. Exactly what I'm saying.
Build the entire show. Out of JK Dobbins and the Pope
and John Fetterman and we have made it to I think.
I think there's a pretty. Good chance that we get to Week
5 and we're like, man, Gainwell's a pretty expensive Ty
Johnson. Yeah, I don't, I think.
That's pretty unlikely. No, that's what I that's what.
I think did Johnson ever get? Picked ever.
Very rarely it makes. Me, it makes me.
I think, I think Kenny Gainwell. Is legitimately the worst pick
on the board of of all Gauntlet. Gauntlet laid.
Down I don't I don't understand. This at all like you've got a,
you've got a day three guy who's getting like beaten by, you
know, beaten out for, for the high value touches by two
different backs, one of which they let go and then they sign
another guy to almost $10 million guaranteed probably to
play that exact type of role. They gave him all the tuds.
Last year, though. Right, so he so he plays.
The Rashad White, The Rashad we wanted.
The Rashad White we wanted 110. I mean Rashad White.
Himself goes a couple. Bucky.
But not on the. But he's not on.
The box Bucky's an. Overrated.
Player I mean, I certainly agree with that yeah, I just think I.
Think you're the to say that game was the worst pick on the
board. I think kind of takes like a
little bit of an outdated take on Bucky at this point.
Like there's some, I think they. Were.
I think they were. Over indexing on what we saw
last. I mean I'm not even that in on
Bucky. I have Bucky like who's over on
ADP too. Because it might be the Bucks
who just paid this other running back.
Yeah, I think it is the Bucks. Correct.
I think it is the Bucks. And I think we get to Week 1 and
then and then they get to Week 1.
Like, Oh, well, actually, Bucky's a lot more like the guy
who was in 2024 when he wasn't playing through multiple
injuries and Gainwell's the guy he saw for the whole rest of the
career. And actually we're just gonna
play Bucky all the time and not maybe.
I think that's. Pretty easy to envision well on
on the guy that like the team probably doesn't think that
about right now is not the worst pick on the board.
I think I think there's plenty of worst picks and I don't it's
not like I have a ton of game well, but like I don't know, I
don't I don't get that take at all.
That makes no sense to me. I, I I.
I stand by, I think he's I think he's an ancillary.
I think you're getting a a very limited stand alone role
compared to other guys in his range like a Jordan Mason, Aaron
Jones. I I think project for much
better stand alone role than Gainwell.
And I think you're getting a a really questionable contingent
upside role. And I'm not even that into
Bucky, like I'm not, I'm not drafting Bucky.
I might have drafted Bucky once this year.
So I don't think he's like some great value at the 3-4.
It's just a, it's just not a, a backfield.
I think that's well priced to me, and Tucker's probably the
one I like the most, but I do take.
Some Tucker, we're behind ADP on Gainwell, so he's not like so
you know, some big smash target, but I think he's like you are
drafting. 38% I'm not I'll. Pull up my exposure.
I, I think he's like, it's just one of those takes where I'm
like like the worst pick on the board.
Like how like what? I just, I've just been really
confused. By where he falls.
OK. I mean, it's because there's not
like the running back position kind of get kind of dries up.
Like we we know this like if you're if you need a running
back in that range, it's like, God, what is left?
A guy, you know, Jonathan Brooks, like we've never seen,
this guy played Corey Krosky, Merritt, who like completely
kind of hit and then wide open backfield last year.
You know, like you end up with guys, you're like, hey, at least
this guy was good and got paid like a lot of money.
You know what do you get $14 million / 2 years with 10 of it
guaranteed? I still can't believe Pat.
Defends Vrabel. How?
How about you want? Why don't?
We make Why don't we make a Chris Rodriguez, Penny Kenny
Gainwald bet? Sure.
Great. All right, You're, you're on an
airplane. Flying from San Diego, I have I
have 8:00. I have 8%, Kenny Gainwell, 8%.
You know what Rodriguez is? Probably.
The the guy I'd want there I I looked at.
Rodriguez because on a 0 running back team I wasn't seeing him in
The Sims and I was like do we are we missing something here
and I like I like I was like we aren't yeah I mean he's.
He's real. Bad.
Yeah. So you're on a you're happy to
make country flight? I mean, we live in a world.
We live in a. World where Keaton Mitchell is
going his legs out and 50%. Oh, rightfully.
Rightfully so. Jacob what?
I mean, Keaton Mitchell is. Now he's he's much cheaper than
Kenny Gainwell, but he he's like Kenny Gainwell.
If I was sure that I was right, instead of like painting, he's a
specific take on the backfield. What?
What you mean to say is that
he's the best running back in the NFL, and I could see how you
get those things confused. He's not, but you're out.
You're in or. Out on Mitchell, I'm.
Pretty out on on that price. OK, for the same reasons as
Gainwell, I don't what's. Going on with the Keaton stuff,
I was worried I was just going to have to quietly be like, what
the hell is that? And he's Keaton missile.
And. He's with McDaniel.
He's free. This price is nuts.
How we're all. Trying to find.
The fact who did this? Well, well, look, I love.
I love to call people the worst pick on the board.
So Kenny Gainwell is 1 of 17 people that I'll declare to be
the worst pick on the board. And then whichever one I was
correct about is the only one I'll acknowledge in January.
So last year, for instance, DJ Moore take, but the take.
Has a built in hedge where you call everyone right?
So I will have. So he's he's my first worst pick
of the board. There's gonna be future ones.
But yeah, Keith Mitchell is like, like I have a specific
take on the Bucks backfield that I acknowledge is not a
certainty. I'm like, this is 1 angle of
things that I think is more likely to play out than the
market is portraying. Everything I said about that for
Gamewell is like 100% etched in stone to apply to Keaton
Mitchell. I don't understand why he's
going anywhere near where he's going.
I mean, I don't think it's. Crazy that you were looking at
our generations, Chris Johnson. Our generation, CJ2K.
You're just looking in the fucking eye.
What? And you're saying no thanks.
He's like CJ200 he's going to have.
This is literally. This is Ty Johnson.
This is Ty Johnson, right? No.
No, no. What is?
He's gonna get. He's gonna get 5 touches a game,
and if Omarion Hampton goes down, he's gonna get 6 touches a
game. Guys, you're just you just.
Need to know that this is wrong. I'm just, I'm all I'm telling
you, we're drafting Jaleel. McLaughlin at pick 153 going to
increase, we're doing. More ship chasing drafts than
planned so that Davis is forced to cut Keaton.
Mitchell. We're going to, I want, I want
multiple teams where you're the one messaging guys.
I I hate to say it, but we got to cut Keaton.
I'm so glad you got Pat and. I back on the same side with
with Keaton Mitchell hate. That was look, I that was an all
timer from Korean right there. That was great.
That was an incredible Doug. Here's the deal.
It's going. To be really, really, really,
really hard for me, we're going to have to be hard fucking up
for a kicker in Week 4 for me to want to cut Keenan Mitchell.
Because I know, I know that the second Amarian Hampton turns a
turns an ankle the wrong way. I mean better bid a lot for.
Kamani Vidal, their actual RP do guys.
Keaton Mitchell projecting for seven points this week 6 touches
6. Touches for Keith Mitchell is 15
PPR points. I mean, let's just be honest.
Oh my God. I mean, this might be the
biggest case of slap flation ever because do do you think
it's fun for for people like me and Pat to hate on Keaton
Mitchell? Yeah.
Do you think we enjoy this Keaton Mitchell so obviously.
You are making a great point that like this profile of guy
would have been around 20 pick two years ago, three years ago
or whatever like 100. You'd be.
Getting unique with. Keaton Mitchell Yeah, yeah,
dude. Yeah, you'd be.
Rolling down you'd be doing. A YouTube video, you know it's
the same thing of. Like what am I going to do?
What am I going to do? Not fucking drive?
Like I got to pay $4.00 for a gallon of gas?
Like you still got to drive. Like I still need Kate Mitchell,
so I'm paying the new price. He's not a chief dude.
He's not a chief, but this is happening.
No, he's a group. Of jerks.
He's a charger. He's got the burial ground curse
in in the model, he's got the he's got the burial ground part,
but there's a group of. Guys who are just actually RB2's
who like, there's pretty no question that if the Barbie one
goes down, we're just starting them and they're like all
cheaper. Like Dylan Sampson.
Can you, can you pull Ryan? Robinson.
Hank Bigsby, Braylon Allen, Ray Davis.
What? What am I doing?
Pull up Chris Diaz. 'S comments please.
Yeah, that's. A good one.
Keaton Mitchell is going to. Single handed like make Russia's
positive. Oh man, look, I.
Always take as a joke. I'm not.
Sure. If you mean me and Jacob or
David, I have no idea which one you guys.
This is how polarizing this. Player is put it on me.
Shoape where? Do you stand?
On Keaton Mitchell Shoape Come on, give us the.
Keaton Mitchell, I love him. We wrapped him in the main.
Event I all the points are valid about the showers and the
congestion, but he's a player I love to pick not at not in best
ball, but in redraft dynasty he's going to.
Be he's going to be such a sick player to cut in the main event
like it's going to be we're. Going to have.
In the main, we're going to have a team with like Mahomes, who's
on IR for the first four weeks, and like Tyler Murray and then
there's Keaton Mitchell on that bench.
Mahomes is coming back. Guys.
We got to make a call a quarterback I'm.
Watching truth bombing you guys so hard right now.
You know who has the exact same ADP as Keaton Mitchell.
If you guys like explosive neat gadget players so much may maybe
you're not sure how much they're gonna get on the field on a
rotational roll. Travis Hunter has the exact same
ADP as Keaton Mitchell. Like like if you if you like, if
you like 12 snaps a game but with upside for a lot more.
Just take Travis Hunter. He's.
He's Keaton. Mitchell.
With worst PR Travis Hunter. Yeah, I kick a lot.
I take a lot of. Honor yeah 100% aligned Chope
are you taking the Jaguars rotational defensive back and in
the one 50s yes I. Like that pic too.
Feels good. OK, all right, all right.
And that is, that is for all aligned.
I'm sitting here in a dark. Basement with you guys talking
all all night. I got Pat over here who says he
defends the Vrabel with the legs out like he's on a plane across
the country and he can't even sit there because what guy next
to him doesn't respect his space?
It's true. It's.
True. I'm just saying we don't we.
Don't know. I don't know.
And I don't, you know what? I don't want to know.
I don't care. I don't care what happened
between like, Joe Brady and Mike Vrabel, like not even talking
about that. I'm going to just.
Do other stuff with my brain talking about the picture.
I know Brabel is that. Guy I see.
I haven't even. He is that guy I.
Mean is that for what you're? Talking.
About I don't, I know, I. Know what he's I.
Know what he's talking about from the from the coach.
Said it twice. I I will.
Oh my God. I will say this, it is still
crazy to me you referred to Joe Brady as Brady Brady.
That is still I. Knew.
No, you guys are wrong, Shoop, Shoop told a completely logical
train of thought. I knew where he was going the
whole time, he said at the coach's breakfast.
And then he specifically said they were like grouped by like
division or conference. It was very clear this is the
AFC ES table. Joe Brady would be there, Shoop.
Innocent, There was a comment and.
It's so far up. I'm literally looking at like,
people arguing about, you know, Joe Flacco being the worst
quarterback to win a Super Bowl and stuff.
But up here somewhere, there's a comment where a Bills fan said
he was confused by the setup. So there we weren't.
Well, we weren't alone. There's a lot of Bills.
Fans with bad takes out there, some of them are pretty good at
chess. It might not have been.
Perfect. What can I say, it was gettable
it. Was gettable.
I did get it it. Was I did, I did follow.
I I just think you should. Those fans still think.
Brandon Cook's caught it. We're going to take their word
for things, not me. Last call, man, last call.
Guys, what if, Joe, What if? Brady has 12112 this year guys,
can you just promise? Me like when we're when we're
figuring out how many main event teams do this year, like I know
30 is going to seem like a lot and Pete's not going to be on
board and by Week 2 it'll be yeah, you guys will think I'm
crazy, but week 7 when Davis's message but when we when we got.
19 Pete Mitchell I. Promise you I promise.
You there's no number too high that I won't agree to.
I will agree to whatever number if it means that I have carte
blanche to just start fucking taking Keaton Mitchell.
If the if the understood trade off is that I get to just start
slamming the button and like round 11, I'm in.
You can take. I love how.
Petty We're making a clip. We're making a Well, this is
what's this is. What's so great?
It's like this is just the pettiness of Pat.
This is what happens when you win $2,000,000 is when you
really hate a player at cost. Instead of being like, we're
never drafting this guy, we're like, we need to draft five
times as many teams as normal so we can take him every time just
so you can cut him. Yeah, and next time don't wear.
A hockey jersey on the show. Or maybe he's Darren.
Sproles. Oh, same.
Same. Universe.
Oh my God, same university. Chargers.
Well, Saints, I'm thinking. Of is it?
Actually, the same university. Well, me, and I mean me.
And Darren Sproles, both Kansas State.
Oh, I thought you meant. Keaton Mitchell and Darren
Sproles. Keaton Mitchell, can anyone?
Get it? 321 Eastern Carolina, I was
gonna say. Directional Carolina.
I couldn't remember which if it was like coastal or Eastern or
David Gerard. I've been to a game there.
There was a tropical storm. It was fun.
I was on the sideline. David Gerard was.
Eastern Carolina? Wasn't he East Carolina?
Pirates. Yeah, that's.
That's correct. Carolina.
Yeah, I, I in a tropical storm. I was on the Syracuse sideline
for Syracuse radio and I had a red cotton shirt under like 2
garbage pitch. I don't know.
Not a. Cotton in a Rain a.
Shirt you wear when you're. 25 covering a college game on the
sideline in the rain. So garbage bags back to the
hotel undressed and I am I am the color of the shirt.
It was raining like that when I'm with this brick red.
Like, you know, we're going. Out, but I won't tell you the
rest. I won't.
Tell you there's a second. Half to that story, that's even
worse. You were doing the radio.
For this game you're doing, I was on the sideline for.
For Syracuse that year way. Before Keith Mitchell was.
Probably even born, but. Yes, Keith Mitchell.
Was even a a? Glisten in Jamal Charles's life.
That's funny. Why didn't he take his name?
That's that was. Yeah, that could have increased
his ADP for sure. I'll.
I'll go. I've recently changed numbers.
Give me Mr. Shadur Sanders. OK.
And a hush. Falls over the curve.
He's so Jacob's so. Far behind a quarterback.
He's just begging, dude. I've got to watch it.
We'll see what. Happens he's looking at he's.
I I call him Rapey McGee two weeks ago and apparently Zach
really liked that one because that's.
Now his name on the chart I'll. I'll, I'll.
Go. I'll do, I'll do, Braylon Allen.
Nice. OK, see.
There's. There's an.
Actual RV too. Is this an RV?
250 picks fine. Yeah, Davis, if.
I might, yes. With the 91st.
Pick of the NFL Draft. The Buffalo Bills select wide
receiver Chris Bell. That's so on.
Brand. Oh my God, yeah, Insanely,
insanely on a brand. Take the wide receiver with the
torn ACL, Let the let the let the Bills fans fucking chew on.
I didn't. I didn't know Trent.
Bulky had been hired to a role in the Bills front office.
Look the Bills. Fans just need to accept it now
they're fucking taking Denzel Boston and he is going to stink
shit for the no they're. Going to take Zachariah.
Branch because they need another guy to run on three yard drag
routes they need. Another guy to get screens the
Bills hate on. This they're just going to run
mash. Every play with DJ Moore running
a clear out for Shakur and Zachariah Branch.
All right, I'm also going to realize like how.
In in light of the Brady conversation, how funny it is
that that GM bean is like the he's the lesser of the beans.
Yes you would. Yes, they didn't make a move
They. Didn't.
Make a movie about Brandon. They called him Billy.
Bean in the blurb. Did they really did?
They really. That's probably just off the AP.
How? How many?
Beans. Would you say are ahead of
Brandon Bean like obviously Billy Bean, Mr. Bean, Certainly
Mr. Bean. Yeah, for sure.
I I like. I'd much prefer a kidney bean.
I'm a big. I'm a big.
Pinto bean guy. That is Pinto bean.
That's like. Really good you can't.
Just put all. Beans in front of a.
The bean is a. You know there's a slang for
there was a golfer, it's a head. It's a head.
Of Brandon Bean. Look, Jake would know who Andy.
Bean is. I don't think I do.
I know, Rich. Beam I don't think I know.
Andy Bean. You know a.
While it's a while, I. Got to make my.
Pick. I'm going to select from.
From the. Penn State University, I'm going
to take Nicholas Singleton. No way he's.
After 200, is he he? I'm pretty sure he's not. 193.
Buddy fuck. Try again.
Here's a pick one that happens. No Sean Tucker's. 183 All right,
Naji Harris. Fine.
That is. That is, that is available.
He's available, that fits, that fits.
Are you telling me Naji? Harris is past pick 200.
He sure is Flossy. Sure, fine bro.
Look, if I'm gonna be. If I need dead 157.
FPPI frauds. There's nothing you can do about
it. Well, I was gonna say.
Naji Harris the Free. Agent off an Achilles stair.
Let me let. Me have an honest moment to end
this show. Naji Harris is out scoring
Keaton Mitchell in this universe and in like every other possible
universe this season. Listen, I'm not in on Keaton.
Mitchell But let me just go on record.
Najee Harris is the worst pick on the board.
What board this board the. Not last call, just this board.
Just this. Yeah, this board.
All right, OK, Follow the boys for their latest.
Content We'll have a Bean Sporkle draft the night before
the NFL draft or something. Like just in your beans.
We gotta figure out. Wednesday Night Football Week 1
down the road. Brandon.
Bean in a beans draft amongst
ship chasing people would go in like the ninth round.
Should we do? Should we do?
A draft Lander. Should we include the GM's in
the in the coaches draft this year?
Coaches draft football. Players.
Oh yeah. Definitely got to include GMs
the the issue would. Be we don't know enough of the
GMs by physique like I don't know.
Can't wait for Pat. To draft.
Grable and have him play the entire I can't wait.
I can't wait to be woke when I select Carly Gordon Ursay in the
first round. She's.
Probably a better woman can. Do anything.
Certainly, certainly she's putting a spin.
Move on fat old Andy. No problem.
This is when this is this. Is where I depart the left wing
slapping. It's I'm pretty over on the left
wing slapping but but no women. Yeah, not.
Not in a football game. I'm sorry.
I think there's better place than in the first round.
I don't. I don't.
Even know why I included her because she's not the GM.
I guess in my mind we're also including owners.
Oh my God. Honors would be really fun.
Oh yeah. Yeah, that's true.
You actually, I mean cuz Ballard, Ballard would be pretty
high pick. Ballard probably would.
Be a pretty high pick in the GM draft, I think.
I think he's so. Steph, I'm sorry, Steph.
What? I'm trying to win.
Some time to wrap it up.
Thank you. Yeah, first round you.
Said first round. OK, all right, look, she's on.
The headset, she knows. She knows the plays.
We're not. It's not to be.
Clear This is for a football game, not for GM.
I'm not going to listen to you. Back pedal for 10 minutes.
Just let's, let's just unbelievable.
Get it back on the screen. Tomorrow, Pat.
Pat's actually. Writing the memo about why
Democrats need to nominate a white, straight Christian this
year. We're doing.
Football moves here. All right.
That'll do it for. ADP chasing.
For our heroes, Davis. Matic, we'll be back next week.
See you next. Week.