1 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:05,440 All right, everyone. Welcome to the first episode of 2 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:08,640 ADP Chasing. Sorry, we're starting about 10 3 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:11,000 minutes late. You can thank Pat for that one, 4 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,880 but we've got tons of rookie landing spots. 5 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:17,200 Talk through running backs, wide receivers, tight ends, 6 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:19,400 quarterbacks. We'll try to hit it all. 7 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:22,600 Hopefully keep the show under 3 hours. 8 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:24,280 We'll see. Let's do it. 9 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,440 Pat Fryer Helmo. This is why. 10 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,440 This is why I'm Hot Anita. Handjob. 11 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:37,200 Fix your sight. Jamar Alpha play chase you. 12 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:41,400 Can't. Handle the heat. 13 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:43,280 It looks like we're. Finally, at this point, you're 14 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:55,480 right. Pat Davis, how we doing, fellas? 15 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,640 Davis, I think last time I talked to you during the draft 16 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,400 on Thursday, your brain had been completely broken by the Michael 17 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,360 Panics pick. Have you recovered at all since? 18 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,120 Then it's well, it got saved. It was saved with the with the 19 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:11,040 Kansas City Chiefs trading up a marginal Day 2 selection in 20 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:12,800 order. Or day four selection. 21 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:17,200 Or day three selection in round four to select Xavier Worthy 22 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:20,880 from the University of Texas at Austin doing that trade with the 23 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:22,560 Buffalo Bills. I mean, you can just. 24 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:23,760 You can. You don't even have to close 25 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:28,200 your eyes to see Xavier Worthy doing the peace sign into the 26 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,040 end zone against the Bills in the AFC Conference Championship 27 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:34,080 game in about 8 short months. It's, it's. 28 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,880 Beautiful. It does just seem so, so ominous 29 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:40,480 for the Bills making that trade with the Chiefs. 30 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:41,920 I mean, what could go wrong? Pat? 31 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:43,280 What? Could go wrong. 32 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:47,800 Yeah, doing good. Just jumping over from Pete's 33 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:51,560 stream and got my first Best Ball Mania draft in the books 34 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,720 right as it opened. So already already drafting? 35 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,680 Apparently so is everyone else 'cause like we're way ahead of 36 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,320 schedule from last year with with Best Ball Mania Spill, 37 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:02,960 right? Just fun to see, fun to see, 38 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:07,160 everyone excited and drafting. Yeah, Davis and I were talking 39 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,560 before the show. Davis, I think you had done one 40 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:13,240 draft as well, right? Any early takeaways from that 41 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,520 first draft? I mean, basically people are 42 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:20,160 just as horny for the rookies as they were in the big board. 43 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:25,560 So if you really like drafting veterans, you know, if you're if 44 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:29,200 you're sort of a Michael Leone style drafter right now, you can 45 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,120 just kind of log on and get whoever you want. 46 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,520 Like, oh, like you, you're big Mike Williams guy. 47 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,960 You big, you big Mike Williams Aaron Rodgers guy free. 48 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,440 Do you do you do you want to do a Justin Herbert Josh Palmer 49 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:46,400 team free Cooper Cup Matt Stafford free like so which 50 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:48,520 it's. I mean, Crane is laughing, but 51 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:50,600 there are people out there who will just be like. 52 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:55,280 It's just so true. Like, I mean it's seen at the 53 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:59,120 top of my rags that are like. Wait, Austin Eckler? 54 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,200 No, no, no. I think I'll take Kamani Vidal. 55 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,080 Thank you. Very. 56 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:09,880 Much, Yeah. No, that's exactly the landscape 57 00:03:09,920 --> 00:03:13,160 we're in right now. Yeah, anyone over the age, 58 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:17,080 anyone over the age of 27 is discounted a full round from 59 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:18,480 what they're gonna be a month from now. 60 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:20,440 Pretty much is is the math there? 61 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,160 Yeah, and I remember from last year, there's all like it. 62 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:27,320 It really depends what room you get in these really early season 63 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:28,320 ones. I think I did a couple on the 64 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,240 first day last year and then some of them, like the rookie 65 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:35,480 that is unranked, will just slip through the cracks of the 18th 66 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:36,960 round. And then sometimes you're in a 67 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,760 room with some Sitka who grabs them like 30 rounds or 30 picks 68 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:42,320 before where they should be going in ADP. 69 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:46,640 That that happened to me. I had Ben Sinnett starred. 70 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:48,040 You know, I was just ready to go. 71 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:49,800 I was going to take him in the 16th round. 72 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,400 I go to go pick Ben Sinnett in the 16th round and he's already 73 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,720 gone. I'm like, OK, all right, maybe, 74 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,800 maybe drafting on the literal day the contest opens is not 75 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,600 that fun. I've seen some weird stuff with 76 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,240 like Austin Eckler actually went really early and you know 77 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,640 sometimes you'll see these veterans go way before you 78 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,720 think, I guess I'm guessing people are just drafting off of 79 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:13,160 very different ranks to to kind of where we're at on these guys 80 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:17,480 or maybe they're just it's vibes but you're you're seeing some, 81 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,640 you are actually seeing some some veterans that you'd 82 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,520 normally expect to fall right now go kind of early. 83 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,720 Well, the Canary in the coal mine is where does Tyler Lockett 84 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:27,960 go in your draft, if Tyler Lockett goes in the seventh 85 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,720 round, you have got an established the run subscriber 86 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:34,360 in in that in that room. And if he if he makes the Tyler 87 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,680 Lockett, Josh Palmer a 7-8. Turn then. 88 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,520 Then you really know that actually might just be Leonie's. 89 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:42,440 2nd That's just Leonie. Yeah, that's just Leonie. 90 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:44,120 Yeah, you can just look at the username for that one. 91 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:46,440 Yeah. OK. 92 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:49,880 Well, we have a lot to discuss. I wanted to start with you know, 93 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:51,840 there's no ADP movement to discuss. 94 00:04:51,840 --> 00:04:56,760 Obviously we're just gonna get to rookie landing spots today. 95 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:01,920 So what I have here on this chart, this is just rookie wide 96 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,680 receivers sorted by draft capital in the first three 97 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:08,360 rounds on this table now and then have their landing spot, my 98 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,120 landing spot rank. Just some context on that. 99 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:16,120 This was me just trying to rank landing spots for the random 100 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:17,680 draw. Round one through 3. 101 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,880 Rookie so. You did this before the draft, 102 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:21,280 right? I think. 103 00:05:21,280 --> 00:05:23,760 We I did this, yeah, yeah. I did this before the draft. 104 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:25,560 So some of this should be updated. 105 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,440 Like, for instance, maybe you could argue New England's 106 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:30,560 probably a slightly better landing spot now if you're high 107 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:35,800 on Drake, May you know, maybe Denver's not quite as awful now 108 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:37,520 that Bonex is there instead of Jared Sidham. 109 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:38,080 Whatever. Right. 110 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,640 These should probably slightly be updated post draft, but 111 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:42,160 that's the general idea of those. 112 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:46,040 And then I just have the 80 PS in there. 113 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:50,240 So I think we should just kind of go one by one through these. 114 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,080 Marvin Harrison, we've we've talked it to death. 115 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:55,840 So I wanted to start with Malik Neighbors, his sort of initial 116 00:05:55,840 --> 00:05:57,400 opening. Doesn't doesn't he go up a 117 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,040 little? Isn't that you're not you? 118 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:01,560 Think Marvin Harris should go up a little. 119 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,440 We can start there if you want. I I think he goes up a little 120 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:06,080 slash. It kind of holds. 121 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:09,000 Maybe it would be. It would be kind of interesting 122 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,360 if he fell, because then then there was absolutely no. 123 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,520 War was going on, yeah. Yeah, what was going on? 124 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:18,320 Well, I I moved him up a a tidge in the overall in my ranks 125 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:22,560 because I moved a chain down. So I had. 126 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:23,920 I had. I had a. 127 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:25,720 Chain and maybe Kyron down a little too. 128 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,120 I'm retired. I'm retired, way down. 129 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:32,120 Where did you move? The right ahead of Josh Jacobs 130 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:36,320 in ETN. That's more courageous than I 131 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,720 would. I I moved him down to Tier 2 to 132 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,400 25. So I I think I'm being a coward. 133 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:42,960 Yeah, I hear. Move him down further. 134 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,160 No, I'm being the coward I've got. 135 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:48,840 Yeah, I mean, look, we can just get this out of the way right 136 00:06:48,840 --> 00:06:52,280 now, but what who's to say which one is Cam Akers and which one 137 00:06:52,280 --> 00:06:53,800 is Daryl Henderson in this equation? 138 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,800 I I don't think it's possible to say, and I especially don't 139 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:58,400 think it's possible to say, 'cause I don't think Sean 140 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,480 McVeigh knows. Yeah, I mean, I think it's just 141 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:05,640 like the thing with Kyron is that he's kind of like he's sort 142 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,560 of a Josh Jacobs style guy. And when you have a guy like 143 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:10,720 that and he's in line to get all the work and then you know he 144 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,480 gets all the work, It's super valuable if the offense is good 145 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:17,280 and he's good enough. But all of a sudden that path is 146 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:21,360 like looking much thinner to him actually being what he was last 147 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,880 year. So I I think I would take a 148 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,560 little bit at like a 2-3 turn just to have it. 149 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:30,560 But I I think where you have him ranked is is at is more 150 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,440 accurate. Yeah, I mean, I love. 151 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,120 Daryl Henderson in the third. You're gonna love Kyron Williams 152 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,720 in the third. Yeah. 153 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:42,040 And it depends how much you believe too, this thing that 154 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:47,800 Sean McVeigh always uses, a workhorse running back, I I 155 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:49,600 think like those narratives. I think there's definitely some 156 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:51,840 truth to it that that's what he prefers. 157 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:53,440 But. Prefers it for sure. 158 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,120 Also look at their backup running backs last year. 159 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,000 I mean it was it was a joke who they had behind Kyron. 160 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,640 So maybe there's more chance of a committee. 161 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:05,480 Maybe they realize you know 195 LB Kyron Williams or whatever is 162 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:10,120 playing weight is now should not be a full workhorse back after 163 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,360 getting injured both of his years playing in the NFL so far. 164 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:17,480 So yeah, I I think Kyron should take a pretty sizable hit. 165 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:20,320 The third round draft capital is is not nothing for running backs 166 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:24,040 like you know it can fail. You can draft Tank Bigsby, but 167 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:26,720 third round capital is not nothing. 168 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,800 And here's the thing with Quorum, right He wasn't a great 169 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,080 prospect. If you're just looking at, like, 170 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:36,080 you know, trying to, trying to take a running back who you know 171 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:37,600 is going to be a star at the next level. 172 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:41,919 But if you're just trying to find another Kyron Williams, 173 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:44,680 he's almost the best prospect available. 174 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:49,280 Like, if you just want that Blake Quorum is who you should 175 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:51,440 draft. And so that in some way that 176 00:08:51,560 --> 00:08:53,800 that makes it especially concerning for Williams, 'cause 177 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:55,200 he is just like a Kyron Williams. 178 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,480 And McVeigh said this, he was like, I see a lot of traits that 179 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,000 remind me of Kyron Williams in Blake Korum. 180 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,080 That's like why we liked him. So that's just not ideal. 181 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:08,080 If the goal with Kyron is that he just has all the work, he 182 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,680 probably doesn't. And I know they tend to lean on 183 00:09:10,680 --> 00:09:14,280 one back and everything, but what if Kyron tweaks his ankle 184 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:16,760 and they lean on Korum for a while and that goes pretty well? 185 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:18,840 That's a that's a pretty big concern. 186 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:23,000 So if if Kyron falls to the to the third round, we will not be 187 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,440 fighting it, we'll kind of fall along with that ADPI. 188 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:30,200 I'm just the initial rankings we didn't want to have, like, you 189 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:33,640 know, if you get Kyron falling basically a round past where he 190 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:35,640 was going in the big board, getting a little bit of that 191 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:39,320 felt OK. Correct, yeah. 192 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,640 I just it's not the type of spot to make a stance, I don't think. 193 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:49,680 Yeah, I think we'll have plenty of Kyron talk this offseason. 194 00:09:49,680 --> 00:09:51,760 I imagine he'll be a faller probably next week. 195 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:53,560 Let's get back to to neighbors here. 196 00:09:53,560 --> 00:09:55,680 I do agree on on Harrison to close that point. 197 00:09:55,680 --> 00:09:58,160 I do think it's it's definitely fair if you want to bump them up 198 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:01,040 a couple spots on neighbors. I think that's the one where 199 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:04,760 people are really calling into question the landing spot. 200 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:10,880 And my opinion with the Giants is that I don't think it's that 201 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,680 bad of a landing spot. I had it as sort of a middle 202 00:10:13,680 --> 00:10:16,480 tier landing spot here. But curious, Starting with you, 203 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:18,920 Davis. Do you think Neighbors Should 204 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:20,760 Fall? Should rise off this sort of 205 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,320 initial rank of 26 based on his landing spot in the Giants. 206 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:28,400 Yeah, he definitely should fall because that big board ADP 207 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:33,000 cascading was capturing some chance of him being a Los 208 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,680 Angeles Charger, right? So some chance of him getting 209 00:10:36,680 --> 00:10:40,360 the Lad Mcconkey, Yahtzee spot. There's a couple things going 210 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:42,840 on. The first being, you know, the 211 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:47,600 Giants is going to be this low volume, run it conservative. 212 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:50,920 You know, just like not explosive offense. 213 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,480 That doesn't really matter when you account for the fact that 214 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,040 neighbors might get 30% of the targets. 215 00:10:56,040 --> 00:11:00,680 But it's just like, I don't know if I'm taking a guy in first 216 00:11:00,680 --> 00:11:02,440 three rounds. I got to think there's some 217 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:08,240 chance that he can have like a really ridiculous, crazy run as 218 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,520 a rookie and he's just really not set up to do that one. 219 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,800 It's like there's crazy, crowded wide receiver room, and it feels 220 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,640 like, what? Crowded in the sense of a lot of 221 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,080 guys who need to play but not who are better than him. 222 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,040 They need to play. Do any of them need to play? 223 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,160 Oh, maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm wrong about this, but my my read 224 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:30,080 is that their neighbors neighbors is going to play on 225 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:33,480 the outside because all the guys they have who can play are slot 226 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:37,240 wide receivers. Yeah, that's probably true. 227 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,520 But like if you were talk about overthinking it if you're like. 228 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:43,160 Yeah, that's so true. Malik neighbors inside 'cause I 229 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,280 gotta have Jalen Hyatt there. Like what? 230 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,400 No dude flame like neighbors. Wherever you think is best, 231 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:51,800 that's. I mean six level pick, awesome 232 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:53,840 prospects great everywhere you can move them around the 233 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:55,920 formation. One thing I would note too and I 234 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,280 don't know if this is maybe helping your argument Davis, but 235 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:03,800 I will just note the the we we had Daniel Jones quite a bit 236 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:05,400 higher in the initial leg up ranks. 237 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:09,720 I mentioned this on Pete Stream. Daniel Raz was like, hey man, 238 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,920 Daniel Jones has injury guarantees in his contract and 239 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:15,800 this is a Russell Wilson. Potential situation. 240 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,600 Right. Drew Lock is behind Daniel 241 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,160 Jones. You know who's not conservative. 242 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:22,920 You know who is willing to Chuck it around. 243 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:27,040 You know who got JSN to to get some some semi final teams 244 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:27,560 through. For me, you're. 245 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,360 Talking me into it, You're talking me into it right now. 246 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:35,160 I I mean I am going to guess, I am going to guess that I 247 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:39,760 probably do end up a little bit lower on neighbors, you know in 248 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:45,320 terms of like and like exposure stuff because right now he's 249 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:50,440 just going behind guys who I well the one for me is waddle. 250 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:55,000 I prefer Waddle to neighbors and and I'll be there and I'm going 251 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,840 to have the option to make that choice a ton of times and I 252 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,000 probably am just going to take Waddle there a lot. 253 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:02,560 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's hit some. 254 00:13:02,560 --> 00:13:06,760 So for the guys that go near him, I'm kind of guessing at how 255 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:10,400 ADP will shake out. Where do you guys stand on, 256 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,120 let's say, neighbors versus DK Metcalf? 257 00:13:13,560 --> 00:13:15,480 Neighbors. Neighbors. 258 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:18,040 OK, yeah, I think I'd go neighbors there too. 259 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:24,040 What about neighbors? Verse Stephon Diggs. 260 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,200 Diggs. I. 261 00:13:30,560 --> 00:13:31,840 Think that's? Some argument. 262 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:34,960 With Diggs, and that's where, like I think with Diggs and Nico 263 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,440 Collins, like to your point, Davis of if I take a guy in the 264 00:13:38,560 --> 00:13:42,280 third round, I wanna see like the top five wide receiver 265 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:47,280 ceiling at least be plausible. And on the Giants I I again, I 266 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,640 think this Giants landing spot is like not that bad 'cause it's 267 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,840 instant 30% target. Share if neighbors and targets. 268 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,760 If he's just decent, he doesn't even have to be amazing to get 269 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:59,760 that. But like, man, the the ceiling 270 00:13:59,920 --> 00:14:02,840 of a wide receiver on the Texans or same thing with Waddle, 271 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:04,600 right? Like I see this, the ceiling 272 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,000 there more with him. Also the. 273 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:10,320 Single weak ceiling of. That's I'm moving often about 274 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:12,760 single weak. Stuff, Yeah, Yeah, exactly. 275 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:14,520 Yeah. I mean, and the Texans like, 276 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:18,320 God, you could have Nico Collins just blow up. 277 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:22,400 Same with Diggs. And in a weird way, Neighbors 278 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:26,520 has maybe like a higher ceiling from like a season long 279 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,280 perspective, but I don't. But are we ever Like how many 280 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:31,880 times is he just gonna, like, go nuclear this year? 281 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:33,520 Like it's kind of tougher to see that. 282 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:38,920 It would require Daniel Jones committing to throwing deep 283 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,000 balls, right? I mean and neighbors to be the 284 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,480 target of those. Well, neighbors can be used. 285 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:45,480 He's DJ Moore, right? That's, that's the comp. 286 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,640 And so he can be used in all aspects and that that's one of 287 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,640 his, you know, I think a little like Stefan Diggs where like if 288 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:54,480 you want to use him as a deep threat, it's going to work. 289 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,960 If you want to use him on shallow stuff too, that's also 290 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:58,960 going to work. So I don't. 291 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:03,600 Daniel Jones will some somewhat limit his usage, but I'm not in 292 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:07,560 a way that I think crushes his value, Yeah. 293 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:11,040 That seems that seems about right, yeah. 294 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:13,600 You're so close to saying that seems fair. 295 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:16,120 I didn't. But it wasn't unhinged. 296 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:17,160 It wasn't. It wasn't. 297 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,640 It wasn't unhinged enough to give him a That seems fair. 298 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:23,320 I just You guys find that to be the hardest part of the spot, 299 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,400 Hardest area of the draft to make picks is like the two, 300 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,880 three turns, like the secondary wide receiver ones. 301 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,280 Sam Laporta, you've got the quarterbacks there. 302 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:36,080 You've got the dregs of the top tier running against just. 303 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,560 I guess it's not that dissimilar from last year. 304 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:42,720 I'm gonna take a lot of HN there and let the market decide on the 305 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:43,960 wide receiver I get in the third. 306 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:47,960 That's the way I'm I'm gonna be playing it early and probably 307 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,400 later too. But yeah, you know. 308 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,600 It's such a flat tier. It's such a flat tier of wide 309 00:15:54,600 --> 00:16:00,280 receivers in that range that yeah, and again, that's not. 310 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,560 I'm not using that to argue like, oh, you shouldn't take 311 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:06,200 them, but like, you could honestly give me like so many 312 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,280 different orderings. Like once Drake London is off 313 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,960 the board, if you want to give me any ordering of like Devante 314 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:17,280 Adams through Devante Smith, I'm not going to, like argue with 315 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:20,280 you that hard about how you order those guys, 'cause I 316 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:23,400 think, like, I have an opinion, but I don't think it's clear 317 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:25,960 really how you should prioritize that next week for wide 318 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:29,800 receiver. So yeah, I think it's a tricky 319 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,160 part of the area to draft and it's probably somewhere where 320 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:34,520 I'll where I'll be like diversifying more than taking 321 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:39,160 huge, huge stance. I'll take if, if this is a good 322 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,560 one. Am I going to be able to take 323 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,720 Debo in that range for the entirety of of the offseason? 324 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,560 Now that's Oh my God, OK, we all got 30% of him. 325 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:51,000 You want to talk about the guy who literally exemplifies the 326 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,960 point of this exercise that we're doing like the most amount 327 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:57,880 of points you can score in one game for fantasy football and 328 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:00,640 we're and we're getting Debo at the 2-3 turn. 329 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,040 It's like, thanks for showing up everyone. 330 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,960 Yeah, and any any time you can get, you know Drake Drake, May's 331 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:08,760 wide receiver. One in the second round. 332 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:12,119 No, you don't see that hard kit doesn't work, 'cause I fucking. 333 00:17:12,319 --> 00:17:15,359 Want that? That's not even derogatory. 334 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:17,160 I'm talking about. That doesn't, that also doesn't 335 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,000 that also doesn't work for me. I probably, I probably am more 336 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:21,920 in on him in that spot. Yeah, me too. 337 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,920 Yeah, everyone's, everyone's commenting on the lighting. 338 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:29,560 You know, when you move every nine months, you just don't have 339 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:31,960 a great lighting set up guys. And I'm sorry, it's. 340 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:36,000 Such a good burn 'cause it is coming right in your eyes. 341 00:17:36,120 --> 00:17:44,280 Like, it's like you're a bunker that's such a specific Oh my 342 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:46,000 God. Let's get on. 343 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:49,840 Roman Doonesay, as you know, Neighbors, I think is seen as 344 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:54,080 more of a neutral landing spot, a doonze I think is more clearly 345 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:57,640 bad for redraft. Pat, do you see it that way? 346 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:01,680 Would you be touching him at his quote UN quote ADP of 44 right 347 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,360 now? No, no, I think he has to fall. 348 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:08,480 I expect to be somewhat in on him. 349 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:12,240 If he does fall, it would be kind of fun to be out on a 350 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,200 rookie wide receiver. Hey, I did it last year. 351 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,480 It's yeah, come join me. Maybe, maybe I'll 'cause I mean, 352 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,080 there are some pretty clear JSN parallels. 353 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:24,720 You also have a rookie quarterback, and I think it is, 354 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:28,960 it's definitely like these are better wide receivers that he's 355 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:32,560 competing with than DK Metcalf and and Tyler Locke, you know, 356 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:34,640 Allen and and more, I think are both. 357 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:36,640 That's a better combo. So that's that's tough. 358 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:39,360 So even if you think the doomsday's better than JSN, you 359 00:18:39,360 --> 00:18:41,040 have even tougher competition and you have a rookie 360 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:43,200 quarterback and you've got a Shane Waldron offense, so it's 361 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,280 like the exact same coordinator. So it's just it's not. 362 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:49,320 Don't be no, don't be scarred. This is the this is the thing 363 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:51,240 that led to you guys fading. Rashi rice. 364 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:52,720 Dude, you can't. I didn't fade. 365 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,320 Rashi rice I I took. Just didn't Hey, I was really 366 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:57,920 high on Rashi rice. OK, this is the thing that 367 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:03,000 allowed drafters as a whole to do Sky more in the eighth round 368 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:06,240 again last year after not scoring A touchdown for the 369 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:10,920 entirety of his rookie season. What if it's as simple as Keenan 370 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:14,640 is a billion years old and Rome is just probably better than 371 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,200 him? Like at this stage of their like 372 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,800 more able to generate separation and get open. 373 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:23,440 Keenan was really good last year and particularly an open score. 374 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:27,480 I believe he was like top three among wide receivers, so he 375 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,720 hasn't shown any signs of decline. 376 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:32,960 Like the I don't want to say any. 377 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,480 I mean, he's constantly getting banged up and stuff, but he 378 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:39,160 still looks really good. So I don't know. 379 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,320 I mean, it's possible by the end of the season that it's just 380 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:45,800 like the Rome show for sure. I the thing though, when you 381 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:47,560 compare it to like Rashi Rice and Skye Moore. 382 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:51,480 Skye Moore went in what the the eighth round by the time we were 383 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:55,480 finished pumping him and Rice then goes in like the 12th or 384 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,520 the 11th or whatever. Well, this currently is the 385 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:02,480 reverse where Doomsay is going higher than JSN even went. 386 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:05,640 Last he will fall, though Rome will be a big faller. 387 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:10,600 So where So we have him at 67 or it comes out at 66 in the ranks 388 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:12,920 and that is where I I would take him. 389 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,320 That's similar to JSM last year, right, where you're taking him 390 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,040 in the 6th. We were hearing from you know 391 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:21,720 certain personalities on ADP chasing that we shouldn't be 392 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,240 doing that. So if I if I can get Rome in the 393 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,680 6th which is basically just doing the JSM. 394 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:30,040 I've got him. I've got him at 59 and I feel 395 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:33,960 like a like a bear, honestly. Like, not a not a Chicago bear. 396 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:39,280 An actual bear. Yeah I would So on on the JSN 397 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:46,400 thing First off I think Rome got picked in the top ten of NFL 398 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:50,920 draft JSN was what in the early 20s late teens that that's a big 399 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:54,840 difference to me and I think most models that factor in draft 400 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,120 capital would show that as being a pretty big difference in their 401 00:20:58,120 --> 00:21:01,720 prospect profile. So I I think it's a if yeah if 402 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,520 you're right that or if your ranking approximates ADP and he 403 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:09,160 falls to the 60s seventies. I think it's fine. 404 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:10,880 I don't think it'd be a target for me there. 405 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,160 Just cause. Yeah, like you can say what if 406 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,920 you know what if he's A2 wide receiver set starter What if 407 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,920 Keenan Allen falls off a lot. OK, then we're talking about the 408 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:23,520 wide receiver 2 on a team with the rookie quarterback like it's 409 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:27,880 still just. Not not your average, not your 410 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:31,360 average rookie quarterback. And I also I also do want to 411 00:21:31,360 --> 00:21:34,160 make this point, which is a little bit different and this 412 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,240 should have been something that worked out for JSN, but it 413 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,960 didn't 'cause it turns out JS NS just not very good. 414 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,880 But this is the wide receiving depth chart behind the three 415 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,520 star wide receivers for the Chicago Bears, Colin Johnson, 416 00:21:47,120 --> 00:21:51,320 Dante Pettis, Tyler Scott and Bayliss Jones. 417 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:57,280 Literally not one player who is even a rotation piece. 418 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:01,480 I'm like, not a guy who deserves targets at like, not even a 419 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,760 fourth guy. You can squint and be like Jalen 420 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:05,880 Tolbert, like, oh, he's he's kind of interesting. 421 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,520 Like just like that group of guys I just mentioned might see 422 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:13,080 10 targets the entire season, which does matter to the math. 423 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:17,040 Of There's no Jake, There's no Jake Bobo coming for Ramadan's. 424 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,200 His role is all you're saying. Comet can earn some target. 425 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,680 Like Comet's not going to have like 7% targets per hour. 426 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,840 He's not Durham Smythe. I'm not saying he's like, you 427 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,160 know, stealing targets from a doonze exactly. 428 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,240 But like he is going to get some targets. 429 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,800 It just creates a smaller kind of overall pie for everybody 430 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,000 else. By the way, Keenan Allen LED all 431 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,200 wide receivers in open score last year, actually undersold 432 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,880 that part of the point. So I don't know it's. 433 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,040 So if you want your. Veterans, come come log on 434 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,680 underdog today and go get them. Now's a good time. 435 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,440 Well, well, Moore and and Allen need to fall as well. 436 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:54,520 You know, this is this was bad for them. 437 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,600 Oh. I so I think DJ Moore is just 438 00:23:00,120 --> 00:23:03,280 gonna he's gonna be out of jail for the first time in his life. 439 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,080 I just. I think there's no ceiling too 440 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,600 high for him. But these these two guys should 441 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,400 court. Like I do not view this like the 442 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,840 Texan situation. I think it's DJ Moore clear 443 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,480 break for the other two and then I don't know how the other two 444 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,440 are going to work out. Yeah, I. 445 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,600 Don't know Moore. Moore's like more of a big play 446 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,120 guy and he's got Allen. Is Allen gets open still? 447 00:23:25,120 --> 00:23:27,280 You know who's, you know who's a big play guy as well. 448 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,000 It's Caleb Williams. Caleb Williams Yeah, yeah. 449 00:23:30,120 --> 00:23:30,720 Well, that's true. It's. 450 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,640 Going to be a fascinating wide receiver situation to watch in 451 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,200 fantasy this year. I also will say I think Caleb 452 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:41,000 Williams is going to be good, but man, if he's bad this year, 453 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,120 there are no excuses like. We're back. 454 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:52,120 Maybe if you. Had if you had Caleb Williams 455 00:23:52,120 --> 00:23:55,040 bear chatter on April 20. 9th you you win you. 456 00:23:55,120 --> 00:23:57,040 Ship it I'm. Just saying, I'm not going to do 457 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,880 this, but if you wanted to carve out a niche as like a Caleb 458 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:03,680 Williams hater, I think the. Media. 459 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,320 Is gonna amplify that so strongly if he turns. 460 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,920 Out there, there are already there are already these people. 461 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,000 They were, they were the Justin Field Legion. 462 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:14,720 They were there. They were so mad about the 463 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,160 franchise getting turned over the guy who wore a dress once. 464 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,240 Yeah, no excuses. No excuses. 465 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,400 Caleb Williams, you got three of the best 25 wide receivers in 466 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:26,800 the league already. You got Cole Comet? 467 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,960 Yeah, you gotta figure it out. Let's talk Brian Thomas. 468 00:24:30,360 --> 00:24:34,720 Yeah, Brian Thomas here. He so he goes to pick 23 a bit 469 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,600 of a slide based on his draft capital projection, but not too 470 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:41,160 much. I had him going to the 6th best 471 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,440 landing spot for wide receivers and IFL. 472 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,000 This one is kind of an interesting one for me. 473 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:50,200 My logic in having Jacksonville so high is that yes, there are 474 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,760 kind of a lot of bodies here and you could say it's crowded, but 475 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:58,400 I think it's more so crowded in the Giants wide receiver room is 476 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,640 crowded sense and that, you know, Christian Kirk is good, 477 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,240 Christian Kirk is good, but after that man Gabe Davis, I 478 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:08,440 think Zay Jones is very likely to get caught still. 479 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,920 So I I don't think it's that crowded and there's not really, 480 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,560 you know, aside from Kirk, a true alpha wide receiver one 481 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,200 here. So I think if Thomas is good, 482 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,440 this could still be a really attractive landing spot for him. 483 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,240 Curious what you guys think and where you'd be drafting him 484 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,400 relative to his current ADP of 66. 485 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,680 I'm just not going to get any of them because I'm going to take 486 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,320 Worthy and Lad straight up over him. 487 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,320 I know I think he's good. I think it's fine, but those 488 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,080 guys are better, better picks than fantasy football. 489 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,120 Yeah. I'm going to have some Thomas I 490 00:25:44,120 --> 00:25:47,000 I just drafted him on my first team today actually and I still 491 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,680 got worthy which is the the advantage of drafting right now 492 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,360 is that worthy's kind of moving up. 493 00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:54,680 He'll eventually flip Thomas and that's how we have it. 494 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,680 Once you know AD PS not baked in, we've got him like you know 495 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,640 15 picks ahead of Thomas where where we think this eventually 496 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,360 ends up. But I think him and Ladd are are 497 00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:09,160 pretty comparable. Ladd is obviously pretty 498 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,640 exciting in terms of his ability to command targets but this is 499 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,000 going to be an offence that's that's lower volume. 500 00:26:15,120 --> 00:26:18,520 He's not he's somewhat explosive but he's more you're more 501 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,640 betting on his ability to command targets with with a 502 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,800 little competition. Thomas is a big play guy and 503 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,640 he's a big play guy who landed with Trevor Lawrence. 504 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,160 And Trevor Lawrence is, you know, not a perfect quarterback. 505 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,880 But part of the reason that people are are annoyed with him 506 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,680 is that he makes too many. He takes shots, he plays 507 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,000 aggressive. And what is this offense signal 508 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,120 They they signed Gabe Davis and then they draft Gabe Davis like 509 00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:46,280 they they want to. They want to take shots down 510 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:50,800 field and they have Kirk Kirk. They have Christian Kirk and 511 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,080 Evan Ingram who both get open underneath. 512 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,640 So it's actually pretty, it's a cohesive offensive plan where 513 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,080 you've got these two boundary wide receivers that are going to 514 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,040 be going deep and then you've got guys operating over the 515 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:04,600 middle of field so you can get open. 516 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,200 You got Travis Etienne there as well like this. 517 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:08,760 This offense could be really fun. 518 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:13,200 And I think Brian Thomas sneakily had a really good 519 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,360 landing spot like this, this. That's him up very well, I 520 00:27:16,360 --> 00:27:19,480 think. I don't think it's AI, don't 521 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,200 think it's a super elite landing spot for total number of overall 522 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,880 targets like Rod because because Ingram and Kirk are just, I mean 523 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,320 Evan Ingram had 111 receptions last season. 524 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,960 But what it is, I actually think it's very similar for Worthy, 525 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,680 where it's like if if the scouts are right and Brian Thomas can 526 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:42,160 play, it's a very good landing spot for his skill set and his 527 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,600 quarterbacks skill set. What if? 528 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,200 What if Christian Watson was healthy and on the giant? 529 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:49,360 Sure, Great. Great. 530 00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:50,840 Yes. That's what we're doing here, 531 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,160 right. And it's like, yeah, five 532 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:57,280 points, three points, two points, 2525, you know, 22, 533 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,520 zero. Like that's what we're that's 534 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,680 what we're going for with with Brian Thomas. 535 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,960 I agree it's not about RAW targets, but it's about his 536 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,480 ability to to explode for. A few I I moved him too low. 537 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:09,960 I'm going to move him up. Where? 538 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:14,400 Where do you have him, Corrine? We've got him. 539 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,840 Sixty. He comes out of 66, one spot 540 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,640 behind a dunes A1 spot ahead of Lad. 541 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,480 Well lad, Lad has some room to come up but but we've got Lad 542 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:23,920 right right behind him in the Pure Rings. 543 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,400 Yeah, I also just I I ran some quick numbers. 544 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,720 He had 17 touchdowns last year in LSU. 545 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:36,840 That's. That seems like a lot, yeah. 546 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,000 And I last time I checked the underdog was 1/2 DPR site so 547 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:40,920 that that. Can be more. 548 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,200 More than neighbors. More touchdowns than neighbors? 549 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,960 He does profile like his size and speed and like you said, you 550 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:52,160 know a big play threat paired with Trevor Lawrence just seems 551 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,320 like a good half PPR spike week machine. 552 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,880 And people hated on Ridley last year 'cause obviously he went 553 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:02,000 too high 2-3 turn. He had plenty of spike weeks 554 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,640 last year like he had also tons of completely disappearing 555 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,640 weeks. But I think this offense is a 556 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,800 good set up for someone like Thomas if it clicks. 557 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:18,280 Yeah, and I think he gives you access to 1/2 PPR single, single 558 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,400 week ceiling that does dry up after him. 559 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,960 So yeah, I I I like him a lot in the in the middle of the 6th 560 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,720 that that's kind of where he's going on the big board. 561 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:33,120 He goes in the mid first round with a, you know, really strong 562 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,920 quarterback and an overall really good landing spot I think 563 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,520 and his price isn't going to rise. 564 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,960 That sounds awesome to me. Yeah, I will feel better if the 565 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,840 Jags just just cut Zay Jones to avoid like some annoying 566 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,760 rotation to start the year. But ultimately that doesn't 567 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,080 matter for the play offs even if say, Jones is still there. 568 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,880 Let's talk worthy. We we touched on a little bit. 569 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,000 He's gonna come up a lot. I get obviously have the Chiefs 570 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,840 as one of the best landing spots for a rookie wide receiver. 571 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,360 Curious what you think, Pat. Where do you have him ranked and 572 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,320 where do you think he ends up settling in terms of ADP? 573 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:14,640 So I got worthy today. I think I picked 78 or 79 and 574 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,080 the way the leg up ranks work is that that's kind of what we're 575 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,840 trying to help you. Dewey comes out in the rankings 576 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:26,640 at pick 70, but as he moves up, I think he eventually goes into 577 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,240 the the early fifth round and that's where we'll have him. 578 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,480 And maybe he goes even higher than that depending on on how 579 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,240 many drafts Davis does. But. 580 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,120 That's where I took him. In the first draft I did today, 581 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,520 I only did one guess where I took him. 4th. 59. 582 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,760 I made myself wait. I I said Davis, I said you can 583 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,720 take him in the 4th, but you're really just going to hate that 584 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,560 when you look back at it later. Just wait. 585 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,280 I so I waited to the 6th to take him. 586 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:53,960 All right, There you go. There you go. 587 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,080 Yeah, that's what we're. But I I mean, I don't think 588 00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:58,240 you're going to have him in the 6th. 589 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:03,440 I had a, so I did Christian Kirk, Brian Thomas, and then 590 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:08,040 Evan Ingram was available to me at pick 78, and I and I took 591 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,200 worthy. Actually, he may have gone one 592 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:11,920 pick before, so I didn't have this choice, but let's pretend I 593 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,040 had the choice. I still would have taken Worthy 594 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:20,520 because that combo is not gonna be available later and I so I I 595 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,560 think he's a big priority today. Big priority. 596 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,640 Yeah, I agree the initial rank is way too low. 597 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,920 Yeah, I don't know. I I'm definitely not a hater at 598 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,760 his ADP of 94. But isn't there a certain point 599 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:40,280 where, like like, is he gonna be better than Travis Kelsey and 600 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:44,080 Rashi Rice as a rookie? Like that seems impossible. 601 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,680 He he very well might. I mean, he will not get as many 602 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,520 targets as Travis Kelsey. He could very easily out produce 603 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:55,600 Rashi Rice on fewer targets and fewer receptions based on where 604 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,080 they run their routes. But most importantly for this 605 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:02,600 game think the Chiefs are I think we honestly might see the 606 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,080 Chiefs not play anything like they did last year. 607 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:10,240 I I'm getting the vibe that they realized they flew too close to 608 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,400 the sun with that group of wide receivers they had last year and 609 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,320 it's like we we got to be scoring points we we can't be 610 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:20,320 winning you know trying to count on the defense but obviously the 611 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:24,240 most important thing is if Worthy is as good of a prospect 612 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:28,680 as he should have been drafted 27th overall the last the last 613 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,480 guy that Andy Reid selected in the first round at wide receiver 614 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,600 was Jeremy Macklin who already had an entire career Eagles, 615 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,800 Chiefs, Ravens, retired. He's already gone. 616 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,320 It's it's already over. It was 14 years ago. 617 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,840 I mean, he's gonna have the highest single game searing of 618 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,800 any eligible Chiefs wide receiver in in Week 17. 619 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,880 Yeah, and I would. I would say with an offense like 620 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:56,280 this, I guess I'm not too hung up on drafting the weapons 621 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,960 exactly efficiently. Like Rice should go ahead of 622 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,160 Xavier Worthy. I think he was good as a rookie, 623 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,120 right? Worst prospect, but good draft 624 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,840 capital, then really good as a rookie. 625 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,440 The suspension is probably going to be like one to two games. 626 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,040 So I I would take Rice a little ahead of Worthy. 627 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,240 However, we know that's not how it's going to work. 628 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,880 The suspension, once he gets suspended, he's going to drop. 629 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,800 People are already freaking out about and he's already dropping. 630 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,360 Worthy's going to come rocketing up. 631 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,120 Worthy's going to go ahead of Rice. 632 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,240 Do I want to fight that and end up with a huge bag of Rice and 633 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,280 Noteworthy or do I want to get both of them and stack them with 634 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,080 Patrick Holmes And I just. I feel like I I'm not drafting 635 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,240 against eleven other me's. I'm drafting against everybody 636 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,200 else. Why don't I just get on board 637 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:46,880 with Worthy who I want, take him, get Rice once he continues 638 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,600 to fall which he will have a overweight position on him 639 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,760 without even trying. Take Kelsey in the 4th, which is 640 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,040 ridiculous and and I don't really understand, but I'm gonna 641 00:33:56,040 --> 00:34:01,320 keep doing that. So you know it's like there's I 642 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,160 I think the best way to play it is make sure you have pieces of 643 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:05,640 this Chiefs offense. I agree with Davis. 644 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,159 I mean, even last year they still didn't move away from the 645 00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:11,360 password over expected stuff. They were still passing more 646 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,639 than really any team should have with those wide receivers. 647 00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:17,560 Like Andy Reid has not retired. It's still an Andy Reid offense. 648 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:21,080 And it was, it was all real close to the line of scrimmage, 649 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,400 right. So like I think that is the the 650 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,639 the big variable that we will see change. 651 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,400 Yeah it's just weird Like I'm trying to figure out is a is a 652 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:34,000 three wide receiver set of Marquis Brown, Xavier Worley and 653 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,360 Rashi Rice. Like that's obviously where it 654 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:40,159 how it's going to go by ADP here but the the Chiefs have always 655 00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:43,600 valued having some like bigger X wide receiver on the. 656 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,400 Field That's why people. That's why I was saying I didn't 657 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,199 think they would sign Hollywood, 'cause they do value the 658 00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:55,159 DeMarcus Robinson, Justin Watson, MVS type, Which I mean, 659 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,320 might might happen, you know, very well. 660 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,600 I mean it also, But Rushy Rice is also a big dude, right? 661 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,960 I mean, they they he played. Outside in college. 662 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,520 Like maybe he he's. Outside a little more if he's. 663 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:09,200 Playing outside, that would be so bad for him though, because I 664 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,400 don't think, I mean, he couldn't win outside in college. 665 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,320 I don't. You can still run slants. 666 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,920 You can still run slants from the outside. 667 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,240 Yeah, my my point is just like, how stubborn are they going to 668 00:35:19,240 --> 00:35:23,840 be about keeping some big like Justin Watson in a 50% route 669 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,560 participation role? I know it's like no one wants to 670 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,400 talk about this, but couldn't you to see them being stubborn 671 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,200 about keeping that big wide receiver body on the field? 672 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,280 That's probably more bad for Marquis Brown than it is. 673 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,160 It's more bad for Mark. That's what that it goes 674 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:37,640 through. Brown. 675 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,520 Brown has not been good for like a while. 676 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,560 And who's who's the most likely these guys to be? 677 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,680 You know, like MVS was not playing what, what was his route 678 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:51,400 participation like 6572% or whatever most games like that's 679 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,160 probably the role that Brown is in. 680 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,760 I think Brown took a big hit from from this draft pick and 681 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,800 yeah, there's probably some Justin Watson routes still with 682 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,560 with Marquis Brown rotating out, but you know, that's fine. 683 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,800 Yeah, let's talk Ricky Pearsall here. 684 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,600 This is maybe the the most interesting one to me at least. 685 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,520 The most surprising that San Francisco spent a first round 686 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,480 pick on a wide receiver and also a fourth round pick in Jacob 687 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,280 Cohen that we can maybe get to later. 688 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,480 I think everyone when this happened there was so much rumor 689 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,920 about Debo or IU getting traded on day two. 690 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,720 Maybe the Bills or Patriots would send their early second 691 00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:34,160 round picks for one of those guys that didn't happen. 692 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,960 I mean, my prediction now is that I think they're punting 693 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:42,920 this Debo IU decision to 2025. I think odds of a trade now seem 694 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:44,880 pretty low. I guess we can start with that. 695 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,240 Like, do you guys agree with me that this is how the roster at 696 00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:50,680 wide receiver is gonna be set for the season? 697 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,080 Or do you think there's still a move here? 698 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:55,720 No, I don't. I don't. 699 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,600 I don't think it's set at all. I mean, they could get it. 700 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,960 They could just say you want a 2020, you want to give us 2025 701 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,160 first and a 2025 third for Devo take em. 702 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,200 Sure. But who does? 703 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,000 You know, I think it probably takes an injury to, you know, 704 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:13,840 and there's only. Patriots. 705 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,840 Definitely Steelers. But why wouldn't you have 706 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,560 already done that and now the Patriots spent, you know, 2 707 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,000 picks on a wide receiver and. It just seems if a trade was 708 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,280 gonna happen, like the Patriots have the perfect set up. 709 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:29,520 They had pick 34. Like that is a huge piece for 710 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,000 the 49ers. And I don't know for the if I'm 711 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,960 the 49ers, I'm like, I want an asset that could have helped me, 712 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,760 like we're in a Super Bowl window now. 713 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,040 I don't know if they really want to trade like for future assets 714 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,080 as opposed. To This pick is not really that 715 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:44,480 different than the Michael Pennix pick. 716 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,720 It's just being like we got these guys on the team. 717 00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:48,600 We don't know how much longer they're going to be there. 718 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,440 What do you what do you say this? 719 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,000 It's the 31st pick. They take the receiver. 720 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:56,720 They're going to move on from one of these guys after the 721 00:37:56,720 --> 00:37:58,840 season, this is. I'm saying I'm saying the I'm 722 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,360 saying what the logic. I'm saying the logic is all 723 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,360 forward facing and has little to do with the actual roster right 724 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,480 now. Like if it works out great and 725 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,800 and Ricky Pearsall can be the third wide receiver instead of 726 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,240 Juan Jennings. Awesome perfect. 727 00:38:11,240 --> 00:38:14,240 He's at his schedule. That's great, but it's more 728 00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:19,880 about having the answer on the roster if Debo the. 729 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,760 Equivalent of making this the Michael Pennix pick would be 730 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,800 trading the 31st pick for a 2027 first round pick. 731 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:27,800 That would be the Michael Pennix. 732 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,440 Trade. You know, it would have been so 733 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,520 funny if the 49ers just traded up for a quarterback again this 734 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:34,200 year. That would have. 735 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:42,720 That would have been incredible. But yeah, back to Piersol. 736 00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:47,040 Like, just go with me on this hypothetical that the 49ers 737 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,360 aren't gonna make another trade. If we can assign like some level 738 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,840 of certainty to that, I think this is like the worst landing 739 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:55,480 spot. Yeah, I mean, I'll just, I'll 740 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:59,200 just have literally zero of him. Because, yeah, it's obviously 741 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:03,280 like the once you factor in how many targets McCaffrey gets, her 742 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,480 running back and how many targets Kittle gets for a tight 743 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,520 end. And I'm pretty sure McCaffrey 744 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,240 and George Kittle are better than Ricky Pearsall. 745 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,760 Like, there's nothing left here. And then and then Juwan 746 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,000 Jennings, they gave him like a second round tender, like they 747 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,880 they value him highly. He had a featured role in the 748 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,320 Super Bowl. Like I don't think it's a piece 749 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:27,400 of, you know, an easy path to playing time above him, even for 750 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,120 a, you know, a late first round rookie. 751 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,200 So I don't know, I heard people hyping up this landing spot. 752 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,560 I think for for 2024 it's like really, really bad. 753 00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:38,640 Guys it is. It is April. 754 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,360 We're we're gonna we're gonna go with the there's gonna be a 755 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,200 whole summer there's gonna be a whole fall. 756 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:43,840 There's gonna be a presidential election. 757 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,440 There's a shit load of things that are gonna happen between 758 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:51,160 now and when week 17 happens. I I just if Pierce Hall's not 759 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,640 gonna be expensive, which he isn't at all, then I think we 760 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:58,040 want we want the first round wide receiver that the 49ers 761 00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,480 just took in the rounds. We want that guy. 762 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,920 I'm not saying load up, but like if you're if you're just blindly 763 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,360 fading this dude because he's not gonna have the the the 764 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,680 target share that you can project right away. 765 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,240 Like of course he's not. Of course he he just won't. 766 00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:17,640 But like chaos fucking chaos. And he's a first round pick. 767 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,960 I think he's pretty, pretty interesting. 768 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,920 Like he's not a perfect prospect by any means, but he does some 769 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:24,200 things well. He can get open in the 770 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,160 intermediate areas, basically his calling card that sounds 771 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:28,760 pretty great, and a Shanahan offense. 772 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,200 There is still potential for them to trade a receiver. 773 00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,840 If they trade a receiver what he's like a seventh round pick 774 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,600 right then, maybe even higher if one of these guys gets. 775 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,040 Hurt. What about the fact that I have? 776 00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,480 The shit out of him in DFS. What about the fact that I am 777 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:43,880 just not that sure that he's that good? 778 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:45,920 Well, sure, yeah. I mean, he's not a perfect 779 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,360 prospect, that's that's true. But I mean like how sure were 780 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,200 you that Debo was good? How sure were you that? 781 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:56,080 I I liked Debo and I 'cause I think was a crazy kick returner. 782 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,480 I I did. I mean, I liked, but I liked 783 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,440 both of them. But yeah, I mean, obviously I'm 784 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,360 not going to have 100% hit rate on these guys, but like, I'm 785 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:07,160 also not going to take any Xavier Leggett, You know, she's 786 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,800 not really that interested. But they're going, they're going 787 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,120 next to each other. We just on Peach Stream, we had 788 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,400 that choice and I I said let's take Piersall because on that 789 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,160 team we have 5 wide receivers already. 790 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,080 So it's like we're really just playing for the playoffs anyway. 791 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:25,080 And you know, like, at what point are we jamming Xavier 792 00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,280 Leggett and DFS? That's a hard thing for me to 793 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:29,360 imagine. It is not. 794 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:30,840 Hard. What? 795 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,240 What would it take for us to jam Ricky Pearsall? 796 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,000 We all know. We all know when we can see 797 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:37,240 ourselves doing it and we can see. 798 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,840 He's, he's he's 40. He's $4100. 799 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,560 Brandon Iuke's not playing. Juwan Jennings has the stomach 800 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,240 flu. Bang. 801 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,360 Bang. Let me be clear that the ADP of 802 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:51,920 150, like my my anti Pierce all stance was assuming that that's 803 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,520 that's not a real ADP obviously ADP of 150. 804 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:56,960 I'm not saying that's bad. We got him in the 12th today, 805 00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,400 that's. Yeah, that that's pretty clearly 806 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,080 good for me too. I'm just saying, I assume I just 807 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,720 see first round wide receiver. I assume the market is gonna 808 00:42:05,720 --> 00:42:10,200 eventually price them at like 95100 that's on like the lower 809 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:11,880 end. I don't know. 810 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,600 I I think there's gonna be some of that that like what? 811 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,960 What am I? Am I just drafting a zero that 812 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,600 he's not a fun clique? He definitely has just such high 813 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,040 odds of being a zero, though, 'cause I I get your scenario 814 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:27,640 that like, OK, one of Debo or IU gets hurt, but OK, there's still 815 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:31,280 like three players in the offense in that scenario that 816 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:32,720 are all way better than him, right? 817 00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:36,320 Like. This is a this is an offense 818 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,880 that game plan specifically for opponents and they they just 819 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:41,520 took this guy in the first round like. 820 00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,960 Yeah, I just, I'm skeptical of the Ricky Pearsall game plan 821 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,400 when you have Brandon IU, George Kittle and Christian McCaffrey. 822 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,360 Like I I need to see that one a little bit before. 823 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,160 I You might see it. You might see it buddy. 824 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,040 We'll see. I I might have to get ready to 825 00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:55,720 learn. Ricky Pearsall, buddy. 826 00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:58,520 I don't. I don't think so. 827 00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,880 I really don't think I'm gonna have to learn Ricky Pearsall 828 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,200 'cause like Sam said, even one injury, I don't know where that 829 00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,320 gets him, 'cause he might not be good. 830 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:07,520 Yeah, he he might. He just might. 831 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:08,440 Not be good. You're right. 832 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,960 He might not be this. Could be Joe Williams, you know. 833 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,240 Here's the thing A. 100% San Francisco's like the most 834 00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:16,680 efficient offense in the NFL. You like, you look at the 835 00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,560 spreadsheets and it like breaks your brain on like what volume 836 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,080 they project at, how many touchdowns they project at like. 837 00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:26,400 It's kind of low volume, hyper efficiency, I would attribute. 838 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,880 I'm a Brock Purdy guy. I'm still attributing that hyper 839 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:35,480 efficiency to the skill players, then the scheme, and then then 840 00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,760 Brock Purdy I guess. Sorry, that was a confusing way 841 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,360 of saying it. But I think the efficiency has 842 00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,320 more to do with like Debo IU Kittle McCaffrey just being 843 00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:46,760 badasses than like there being some inherent efficiency in the 844 00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,800 system. Maybe that's a bad take, but. 845 00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,600 I think it's a semi bad take cause Garoppolo was awesome in 846 00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,120 this scheme too. It's it this but with good. 847 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,040 Skill guys, right? With really good skill. 848 00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:00,120 Guys, yeah, but. Like this, this, this. 849 00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:02,880 The system didn't prop up like Dante Pettis, is what I'm 850 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,480 saying. Well, kind of did for. 851 00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,080 That kind of season. Yeah, you're right. 852 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:08,280 Kind of did. He had. 853 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,200 Like 600 that. One, Yeah. 854 00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:17,400 So it doesn't take a ton. Like I just yeah, it's I 855 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,560 understand when I'm taking pure saw that there's a low 856 00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,160 probability that it that he adds anything to my team at all. 857 00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:26,280 But it's just like when he adds something he adds a lot, you 858 00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:27,880 know? And if that's in the double 859 00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:29,840 digit rounds, I think it's it's OK. 860 00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,200 And if it's in the single digit rounds, then I'm far less 861 00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,680 interested because the running back, basically how how much 862 00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:38,800 opportunity cost is it at running back? 863 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,120 And if it's not that much where I normally need running backs, 864 00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,120 right. If it's not that much, then why 865 00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,760 not take take Why not take your 15th round pick in the 12th 866 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,640 round, or your 16th round, pick in the 12th round. 867 00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,040 That's what you're doing. Normally you take a guy, you 868 00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:56,080 just need one spike week from in week 15 or whatever in the 869 00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,800 151617, the 18th, but you're doing it in the 12th. 870 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,320 With Piersall, I think you can survive that. 871 00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:02,440 I think you can build around that. 872 00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:03,720 Understand that that's what you're doing though. 873 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,440 Xavier Leggett. We touched on him a little bit. 874 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,920 He snuck into the back half. The not the back half. 875 00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:16,000 The very last pick of the first round pick, 32 to the Panthers. 876 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:20,200 I saw this Panthers landing spot as being pretty bad. 877 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,800 It's semi crowded with Deante Johnson. 878 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,680 Adam Thielen has kind of proven target earners there, but 879 00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,480 there's obviously room if Leggett's good. 880 00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,280 Mingo's still there. Mingo's still there. 881 00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:35,720 Now Mingo Mingo's in the UFL already, let's be honest. 882 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,480 Xavier Leggett and Jonathan Mingo are Spider Man pointing 883 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,240 Meme dude. You you just you just talked 884 00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:42,680 about this like narrative pattern matching being the 885 00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,800 reason that we faded Rasheed Rice last year. 886 00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,240 I I want to push back on like the Leggett is Mingo thing a 887 00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:52,080 little bit because we're just not very good at at predicting 888 00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:56,440 these guys and Leggette's profile has obvious obvious 889 00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,440 holes. But you look at JJ, Zach 890 00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:03,520 Reason's like prospect model and he has Leggette in the same tier 891 00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:07,600 as Piersall Keon Coleman Lad, Mcconkey they're all 892 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,520 statistically all these guys have big flaws. 893 00:46:11,240 --> 00:46:13,800 I don't think like again not talking about situation those 894 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,160 guys have way better situations or a lot of them do. 895 00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:21,440 I'm not ready to to write off Leggette, but I don't know you 896 00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,240 guys just calling him Mingo and and turning off. 897 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,160 He is tough to draft. He is difficult to draft. 898 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:31,560 I have to say I don't want to be out on leggette. 899 00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:36,480 I don't want to not open my third eye on on his amazing 900 00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:40,080 athleticism and you know on a team that's pretty desperate for 901 00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:44,280 someone to step up. Deante Johnson's pretty limited 902 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,640 kind of just the the underneath target stuff. 903 00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,320 Adam Thielen like if he's awesome he's not gonna have 904 00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:53,800 trouble establishing himself. But I I I'm gonna admit I have 905 00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:58,080 tough a tough time clicking him on the Panthers. 906 00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,640 It's just not that exciting. But we've got him ranked well 907 00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:06,640 ahead of ADP 134 ZDP of like 150. 908 00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,880 I I think it's, I think it makes sense to get exposure to a first 909 00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,120 round pick. You know who's got not that 910 00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,320 strong a target competition, not, you know, certainly not 911 00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,600 overwhelming target competition that again you're getting very 912 00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,960 late. I I would view him as sort of 913 00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:23,240 the opposite of the Pearsall thing. 914 00:47:23,240 --> 00:47:26,080 We're like on that team with Pete we have 5 wide receivers 915 00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,760 and we're like just tacking on that that late round, that 916 00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:33,240 premium late round guy basically with Leggette it's more like I 917 00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:37,000 kind of got locked out. I'm, I don't have upside of like 918 00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:38,840 a kind of a week in, week out starter. 919 00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:42,760 For me that's going to be like a like a true kind of redraft hit 920 00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:47,560 leggette could be that. So that's be more in that 921 00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,800 situation where I would I would be going there I think. 922 00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,560 Davis, where, what? Where would you take leggette? 923 00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,640 Like what? What does ADP have to be for you 924 00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,360 to be on? I mean, here's the thing, 925 00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,200 nowhere close to where he's going right now. 926 00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,240 Like, I just he just doesn't fit in my plans. 927 00:48:03,240 --> 00:48:05,400 I'm not buying a Bryce Young resurgence. 928 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:09,120 I'm not really hoping to draft players on shitty teams that I 929 00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:10,800 don't expect to score that many points. 930 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,400 I don't think he's got the feeling thing where he could 931 00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,440 just go earn 13 targets in a game. 932 00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,000 That wasn't even really what he did at South Carolina. 933 00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,480 It was he got a big upgrade and look, I know there are a lot of 934 00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:28,560 reasons why his his prospect profile might be wrong, right? 935 00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:30,240 COVID? His parents died, he had to 936 00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:31,880 transfer. Like it's like he's got a crazy 937 00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:33,880 story. I'm rooting for him as a human 938 00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:38,400 being, and I hope I'm wrong, but I'm not into drafting him for 939 00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,320 fantasy football right now. Like at all? 940 00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:44,840 I get that. And yeah, everyone should look 941 00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,240 into Xavier Leggett's interviews and his like personal story 942 00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:51,680 'cause it really is inspiring and he's he's one of the 943 00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:53,240 funniest interviews I've. Heard. 944 00:48:53,240 --> 00:48:54,960 Well, it's it's also illuminating. 945 00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,640 It it is illuminating to why, if we want to go back and do the 946 00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:03,880 the post mortem analysis of how did Xavier Leggett not break out 947 00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:05,760 till he was 23, how did he go the 1st? 948 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:07,720 And you're like, oh actually kind of makes sense a little 949 00:49:07,720 --> 00:49:09,720 bit. The other thing about Leggett, 950 00:49:09,720 --> 00:49:14,280 kind of to that story, is that he apparently practices hard as 951 00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:18,800 fuck and never misses practice. So he is the guy like new 952 00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,360 coaching staff coming in trying to change the tone. 953 00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:25,080 Like he could just be a guy that's like this is our dude. 954 00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,920 Like we found him, you know, there's that possibility. 955 00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:34,400 So I would, I would say mixing him in it makes sense. 956 00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,560 Again, I don't I don't find it any more fun than Davis does. 957 00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:42,160 But if, like we're getting Bryce Young number one pick with the 958 00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:47,280 quarterback guru guy coming in, if he's if leggette is good, 959 00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,480 then that could help. Get is going to be the Mike 960 00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:52,720 Evans and the Canales offense, brother. 961 00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:57,920 Get on board our get ran over. I mean basically 0% chance, but 962 00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,000 you're giving me the 12th £12 bet, added I. 963 00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:05,040 I take a little. Dave, Dave Canalis, Dave Canalis 964 00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:08,840 in back-to-back years has, you know, turned Geno Smith into a 965 00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,920 guy who was getting drafted after Drew Locke to being like 966 00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,440 kind of a consensus top half quarterback in the NFL. 967 00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:19,520 He also got Baker Mayfield paid what like 50 million plus 968 00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:22,840 guaranteed. So I do kind of believe in in 969 00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,760 the Canal stuff a little bit. I obviously don't think Legette 970 00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:31,280 is Mike Evans, but I don't think the odds of Bryce Young having a 971 00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:35,040 bit of a comeback in a second year completely 0. 972 00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,840 There weren't a lot of Bryce Young Bears last year, myself 973 00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:39,720 included, right. They're like this guy basically 974 00:50:39,720 --> 00:50:42,480 was Danny Carter, who's like this dude's too small, you know? 975 00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:43,680 And he was, he was probably right. 976 00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:44,560 Maybe. He's certainly. 977 00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,480 Right. But like oh, I think a lot of us 978 00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,040 were like this. He makes plays. 979 00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,480 I understand some of the concerns but like I yeah, kind 980 00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,440 of I'm kind of in. He had a horrible rookie season. 981 00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:59,160 He probably is a a bust but like there's I still think there's at 982 00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,240 least some chance that that he turns it around with a new 983 00:51:02,240 --> 00:51:05,280 coaching staff and a a pretty smart coach. 984 00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,360 I think, yeah. We saw with Trevor Lawrence it 985 00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,640 could happen with Bryce Young, Keon Coleman. 986 00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,680 This is one that I think that the market's gonna be consensus 987 00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,320 pretty high on Bills in my opinion. 988 00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,000 Along with the, you know, Chargers, Cardinals. 989 00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:20,280 You can throw the Chiefs in there too. 990 00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,760 Pretty clearly one of the best landing spots for a wide 991 00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,600 receiver this year. Coleman was nearly got that 992 00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:26,840 first round. Draft capital. 993 00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,720 The Bills traded back a couple times, still got on with the 994 00:51:29,720 --> 00:51:33,400 first pick in the second round. Start with you, Pat. 995 00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:37,600 I I know you weren't the biggest fan of Coleman's prospect 996 00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,240 production profile, but where are you at on him now? 997 00:51:40,240 --> 00:51:42,160 Where do you think his ADP will settle? 998 00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:44,760 Yeah, I'm at. I'm in. 999 00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:49,600 I mean, he's on the Bills guys, they, they, they need. 1000 00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:51,720 They need. You really are going to start 1001 00:51:51,720 --> 00:51:54,000 with Pat's opinion instead of saying that I've been telling 1002 00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:55,440 you all this was going to happen for four. 1003 00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:56,480 Months. That's true. 1004 00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:57,520 Yeah. Let's throw it at Davis. 1005 00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,400 Davis. Literally called this for 1006 00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,000 months. I called this because I was 1007 00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,640 worried that this was going to force me into evaluating world 1008 00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:09,680 where Keon Coleman might see 130 targets, like if Keon Coleman 1009 00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:13,640 was the was the Panthers pick. I'm like, well, I just, I buddy, 1010 00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:15,400 I don't have to learn Keon Coleman. 1011 00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,400 It will not be necessary for me to acquire that language. 1012 00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:22,880 But I mean, we, and we've all been arguing about this via DM 1013 00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:27,360 all week too. I mean, I just have a hard sense 1014 00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,240 have a hard time gaining a sense of what the bill's plan is here. 1015 00:52:31,240 --> 00:52:35,160 I suppose it is. Samuel is the slot wide 1016 00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:38,320 receiver, Shakur is the other outside wide receiver, and then 1017 00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,520 Keon is the primary X wide receiver. 1018 00:52:40,720 --> 00:52:42,400 They kind. Of hasted that that's the plan. 1019 00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,840 In the initial interview they said we got to see what he's 1020 00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:47,360 what he can learn. Can he learn X? 1021 00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:48,840 Can he learn the other positions? 1022 00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,880 I think they're gonna X is the first thing they're gonna try to 1023 00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,360 get him to do. But I want to hear a big slot. 1024 00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,200 I want to hear a big slot with. No, that's The thing is, that's 1025 00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:01,640 The thing is, if he's a big slot, then Dunn, Kincaid and and 1026 00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,400 Keon Coleman have they've murdered each other, they Spider 1027 00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,120 man pointed at each other with a gun and they just they just 1028 00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,880 wiped out each other's ceilings, right? 1029 00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,240 That doesn't work. No, we saw, I guess, as a cop 1030 00:53:13,240 --> 00:53:15,360 like Rasheed Rice and Travis Kelsey. 1031 00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:20,280 He's not, really. Rice he's yeah. 1032 00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,520 But but Rice wasn't really Rice in his, in his prospect profile, 1033 00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:27,080 that's what I'm saying is that I I think Keon Coleman, you look 1034 00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:31,360 at his, I think the reason his film is bad is 'cause he's 1035 00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:33,520 actually not that good at being. His. 1036 00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:39,360 Film is not that bad. Because yeah. 1037 00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,040 I could think of one reason, just came to mind. 1038 00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,400 Here's the thing, though. He has this it factor when he 1039 00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,120 has the ball in his hands. He's a really good punt 1040 00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,240 returner. He clearly has something that 1041 00:53:49,240 --> 00:53:51,640 the NFL values like he was. Consensus Top 40. 1042 00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:56,000 Yeah, like I I want to see him in something comparable to the 1043 00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,080 Rashid Rice role. We didn't see Rashid Rice in the 1044 00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,040 Rashid Rice role in college, right. 1045 00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,440 Like, that's the point I'm getting at is I think if they 1046 00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,600 just line him up as the Gabe Davis and say, hey, you're big, 1047 00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,840 you're fast, go do Gabe Davis stuff that that might be. 1048 00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:11,840 It even is the Rashid rice roll isn't it? 1049 00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:13,720 Like him finding soft spots in the zone. 1050 00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:17,800 Like he Rice got a lot of his targets on on non first reads 1051 00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,720 like he was Rice's goose in the. Zone, yeah. 1052 00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:22,440 Yeah. Is Coleman good at that? 1053 00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:24,840 Like, I don't think he is. I think he's basically like, 1054 00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,280 he's more of, he's more of a Kadarius Tony than a Rashid 1055 00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,640 Rice. He's Kadarius Tony who doesn't 1056 00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:30,000 get. I don't. 1057 00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:35,840 Know he, he, his, I I'd have to pull up Matt Arman's stuff. 1058 00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,560 I do think his prospect profile on him was pretty bad all 1059 00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:40,320 around. What was the lone bright spot 1060 00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,800 was his success rate verse zone, if I recall that. 1061 00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:43,480 Correctly. All right. 1062 00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,360 Well, that would. At least I remember. 1063 00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:47,080 In J spot. Good. 1064 00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:51,760 Let's see, I just pulled it. Success rate verse zone was 1065 00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:53,840 pretty, you know he's 59th percentile there. 1066 00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:55,720 He's 20th percentile against man. 1067 00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:59,720 Yeah and again these percentile, these percentiles are like of 1068 00:54:59,720 --> 00:55:02,080 all round one through 3 prospects. 1069 00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:05,840 So like 60th percentile sounds like kind of bad, but then you 1070 00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:07,720 consider the sample size he's charting it. 1071 00:55:07,720 --> 00:55:10,400 It's fine anyways, that two in the weeds. 1072 00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,480 He said he sowed a great understanding of working himself 1073 00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,520 open against zone on in, breaking routes like the post, 1074 00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:17,680 dig and slant. All of these are critical outs, 1075 00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,080 critical routes for a receiver operating on the inside. 1076 00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,800 So he likes your your you guys are on the same page. 1077 00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:24,960 Yeah. No, I. 1078 00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,680 Definitely didn't just totally like steal the take from him or 1079 00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,360 anything like. Yeah, it's almost like Carmen 1080 00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,280 came up with the take and you're repeating it, Hayden. 1081 00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:38,000 Hayden Hayden embedded the term power slot for Keon Coleman and 1082 00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:41,760 I'm like this is the deal if your wide receiver can really 1083 00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,560 only succeed in the slot, like if your best wide receiver is 1084 00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:50,160 doing 111% of Curtis Samuel, I don't know how into it I am. 1085 00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,320 Well, the thing I mean. He's fine. 1086 00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,840 The thing is, like we have this new archetype though, of wide 1087 00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,280 receiver in the NFLI think a Monroe fits into it, Rashi Rice 1088 00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,920 fits into it. Cooper Cup at his at his peak, 1089 00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:04,480 fit into it. Like that's how they were. 1090 00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:08,000 Fantasy superstars was like getting in the zone, sitting 1091 00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,120 down, you know, getting in the slot, sitting down in the soft 1092 00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:13,200 sparks of the zone and just becoming PPR scams. 1093 00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:16,200 And you obviously have to squint to get there with Coleman. 1094 00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:19,360 I get that it's a leap, but I mean, man, what are the? 1095 00:56:19,720 --> 00:56:21,000 Comparable to, like Amanora at all. 1096 00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,960 Like Amanora gets open against against man covers, like he 1097 00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:29,080 beats people with route running. Coleman is much more of like a 1098 00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:32,200 raw, athletic get the ball in his hands, let him run. 1099 00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:34,320 It's like more like Coral Patterson. 1100 00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,400 Or, you know, like it is more like Tony. 1101 00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:41,400 You piqued my interest. Oh, I did. 1102 00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:43,480 I did want to say this about Leggette before. 1103 00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,520 I forget if when your coach comes to the podium to talk 1104 00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,320 about the pick, the first thing he mentions is using you out of 1105 00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,240 the backfield. It's over. 1106 00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:54,360 It's not happening for you. If it's the very first thing he 1107 00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:58,280 says, it's Jover. Can't, can't, can't be there. 1108 00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,080 It's true, yeah. I'm I'm. 1109 00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:02,880 I don't know. I guess I'm struggling a little 1110 00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,120 bit with. I guess I'm I'm yeah I'm 1111 00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,720 painting like a really high ceiling case which I don't I 1112 00:57:07,720 --> 00:57:10,720 don't believe so I I get that like yeah you're pushing back. 1113 00:57:10,720 --> 00:57:12,080 Well, the really, Ideally not in. 1114 00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,080 Is real because he's a bill. He's a bill. 1115 00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:16,280 Yeah, he's a bill. Yeah. 1116 00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:20,880 I I don't believe in the. I don't believe in the bat but I 1117 00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:26,120 think I'll make the bet at a fairly decent rate because he's 1118 00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,600 on the builds. Like it's just it's so easy to 1119 00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:31,600 see how he has the single week ceiling. 1120 00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:37,120 He was he got draft capital he's an early declare who got drafted 1121 00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:39,000 high. He's athletic enough. 1122 00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:42,880 I mean he didn't have the 40, but like he's explosive, right? 1123 00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,680 We the football athleticism in terms of like him getting up 1124 00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:50,760 field once he catches the ball is I feel pretty good about and 1125 00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:52,960 you know, maybe they're really committed to the bit in terms of 1126 00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:56,040 getting him some design touches and stuff Like Coleman could 1127 00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:59,400 bust and still pay off like an eighth round ADP. 1128 00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:03,400 You know, I mean like long term we could view this pick as a 1129 00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,720 complete failure, but he could pretty easily pay off that ADP, 1130 00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:08,960 so. Cadarius Dhoni. 1131 00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:12,120 Kelvin Benjamin. Kelvin. 1132 00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:15,480 Oh my God. Yeah, extreme Benjamin vibes. 1133 00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:17,360 It's kind of like that. Like I they're not. 1134 00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,720 They're different players, but like that, you know, you get a 1135 00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:24,200 guy with they desperate for wide receipt, they feed him targets 1136 00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:26,440 for a year. Everyone agrees they shouldn't 1137 00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:30,200 do it again, but they did. So you you you get those points. 1138 00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:34,880 Last thing I'll say on Coleman, I mean the guy, I know there's 1139 00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,200 like reasons for it. He was banged up, blah blah, 1140 00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,520 blah blah. He found a way to out produce 1141 00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:42,520 Jaden Reed when they're on the same team and he was a sophomore 1142 00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:46,520 in college and Jayden Reid is now a fifth round pick in 1143 00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:49,400 fantasy. Like there's a model is gonna 1144 00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:51,920 have a hard time factoring that in. 1145 00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,880 But I do put some signal on that like Jayden Reid and him are on 1146 00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:58,680 the same field and theon Coleman slightly edged him out. 1147 00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:01,360 Like there's there's something to that in my opinion. 1148 00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,120 So I could definitely be wrong about him as a prospect and he's 1149 00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:07,360 just in a situation and it's the archetype of prospect. 1150 00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:10,400 Like he's very strong after the catch and you know can make big 1151 00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:15,040 plays that they're 4. It's just gonna, if you could 1152 00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:18,320 really suck to be wrong about Keon Coleman, like he could he 1153 00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:21,040 could kind of bury you a little bit as long as his price doesn't 1154 00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:23,000 run away from us completely. And I don't think it. 1155 00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:25,000 I don't think it will. Like I think he goes behind the 1156 00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,200 lad and Brian Thomas and those guys. 1157 00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:31,480 Yeah, Davis, are you? Do you have to jump now or are 1158 00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:32,320 you? I'm gonna. 1159 00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:35,120 I'm gonna jump. I'll be back in like 13 minutes. 1160 00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,360 Everyone, get used to it. Yeah. 1161 00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:42,840 So we have a new segment to debut once Davis leaves here. 1162 00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:49,320 The segment is called Sorry, Two Stats and a Lie. 1163 00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:53,520 And before I get there, I'm gonna give Crane. 1164 00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:57,640 Yeah, every week Davis is gonna leave to do something and it's 1165 00:59:57,640 --> 00:59:58,640 just gonna be. Amazing. 1166 01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,440 I think he's talking about fantasy baseball or something or 1167 01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,920 something like that. I'm gonna give Crane 3 stats 1168 01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:09,920 that are all usually all gonna be about like one team or a 1169 01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,320 player and needs to have to figure out which of the three 1170 01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:16,240 stats is a lie. So we were talking about the 1171 01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:17,760 Bills. This is a good transition. 1172 01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:20,760 This is 2 stats and a lie. Dalton Kincaid edition. 1173 01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:25,440 So first out here Pat in .5 PPR points per game. 1174 01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:30,720 Dawson Knox in each of 2021 and 2022 outscored Dalton Kincaid in 1175 01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:35,560 2023 Fact 2. Dalton Kincaid had a lower yards 1176 01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:39,400 per outrun than teammates Khalil Shakur, Ty Johnson, Deontay 1177 01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:44,880 Hardy and James Cook in 2023 and then Fact three including 1178 01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:48,520 regular season and playoffs. Dalton Kincaid is one of four 1179 01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:51,760 rookie tight ends in the last decade to run more than 500 1180 01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,680 routes in a season. Which of these is the lie? 1181 01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:05,520 I think, I think it's the Dawson knocks. 1182 01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:09,320 Oh God 'cause you know what? No, it's the yards per out run. 1183 01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:12,120 I think the I think he had slightly better yards per out 1184 01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:13,240 run than at least one of these guys. 1185 01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:17,040 Yeah, you're you're smart guy. That is. 1186 01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:22,520 That is the lie He did So Shakur and Ty Johnson. 1187 01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:24,720 Ty Johnson ran like 20 routes. I just threw that in there for 1188 01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:26,600 fun. They both had higher yards per 1189 01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:30,000 out run the Kincaid. He did barely edge out Hardy and 1190 01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:33,400 Cook though. So you identified that Knox did 1191 01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:35,720 very slightly. These these are all pretty close 1192 01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:39,440 knocks, very slightly built. Beat out Kincaid and PPR points 1193 01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:44,080 for game sorry half PPR points for game 21 and 22 and then yeah 1194 01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:47,520 Kincaid had a historically high number of routes. 1195 01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:51,040 So the the point of these stats, they always kind of have to have 1196 01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:55,480 some kind of theme to them is that Dalton Kincaid, his like 1197 01:01:55,480 --> 01:02:00,600 historic rookie tight end season last year was 1 driven by route 1198 01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:04,080 volume and not necessarily efficiency. 1199 01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:07,040 I think there's a lot of interpretations of what that 1200 01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:09,880 means for next year, but I think it's an important thing to 1201 01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:14,360 consider. Pat, yeah, how'd you know that 1202 01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:16,520 was the lie? And any any thoughts on? 1203 01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:20,000 I'm pretty sure that James Cook did not have that high of a 1204 01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:23,160 yards per route run because I I really like James Cook. 1205 01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:26,080 But it's not. I don't think he's he's not like 1206 01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:30,040 an ultra, ultra elite receiver. He's just kind of explosive as a 1207 01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:34,000 receiver and that's a very high yards per out run for a running 1208 01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:35,400 back. And I knew, 'cause we had been 1209 01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:39,360 argumenting, Kate, I knew he had like a 1.5 ish yards per out 1210 01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:40,680 run. That was in my head. 1211 01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:46,240 So I I knew basically I I knew that one of these guys probably 1212 01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:49,120 had below 1.5 yards per out run and most likely Cook. 1213 01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:53,080 I also figured Dawson Knox. They almost went there, but I 1214 01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:56,840 figured Dawson Knox as a veteran probably outscored a rookie 1215 01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:59,040 tight end and half point PPR points per game over a whole 1216 01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:01,120 season. Yeah, I think it was driven by 1217 01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:02,360 touchdowns. I didn't really look into it, 1218 01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:04,440 but I'm sure he just like had way more touchdowns. 1219 01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:07,440 I mean it was it's Dawson Knox so it's safe bet it was driven 1220 01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:11,400 by touchdown. I and I generally think like we 1221 01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:16,160 my philosophy on tight ends you know young tight ends is 1222 01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:19,360 generally been a bet on the bet on the efficiency and that 1223 01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:22,840 that's how you find the guys who are sort of playing a different 1224 01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:26,120 position than everyone else and then hope they run more routes 1225 01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:30,080 and that's how you get you land on the type of Marc Andrews big 1226 01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:31,680 hits. I do. 1227 01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:35,600 I'm more open minded than Kincaid, but just again, you're 1228 01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:38,000 on the Bills. We just said a bunch of stuff 1229 01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:39,720 about Coleman, how I don't really believe in him. 1230 01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:43,640 Someone's going to the Bills aren't just going to like not 1231 01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:47,120 pass for you know, not they're going to be productive through 1232 01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:52,120 the air this year. And I want, and I honestly like 1233 01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:56,800 if if Keon Coleman ends up in like the late 7th round or the 1234 01:03:56,800 --> 01:04:01,960 eighth round, Dalton Kincaid ends up in like the 5th, 6th and 1235 01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:06,720 Curtis Samuel and Khalil Shakur are like toward the back end of 1236 01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:09,640 the top 100. Is anyone egregiously overpriced 1237 01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:10,600 at all. They're all kind of like 1238 01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:14,440 discounted they're all they're all pretty appealing at those 1239 01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:17,440 prices. So just like making sure you 1240 01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:21,360 take some Allen and then stack up whoever kind of falls to you 1241 01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:24,120 at good prices after that, that seems like an easy enough build. 1242 01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:28,920 Yeah, no, I think that's fair. Sorry, not I I gotta stop saying 1243 01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:31,840 that's fair. I agree with what you said in a 1244 01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:37,880 non derogatory way. That is longer to say. 1245 01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:40,880 I mean that's fair is much? Much easier, much easier. 1246 01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:43,520 Kincaid. For me, I think where I struggle 1247 01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:46,240 is solely because of where he goes next to. 1248 01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:49,040 You know, he's very close to Marc Andrews. 1249 01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:52,240 You can wait right now at least you can wait 10 picks and get 1250 01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:54,640 George Kittle. And back to your point about 1251 01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:58,080 like the elite tight end profile that I like betting on is the 1252 01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:00,720 guys that have the insane efficiency. 1253 01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:03,040 And I'm pretty confident. I mean, you can talk age cliffs, 1254 01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:05,680 I guess with those guys. I'm pretty confident I'm getting 1255 01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:08,960 that efficiency in really good offenses in Baltimore and San 1256 01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:12,480 Francisco. So I'll I'll have trouble I 1257 01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:15,200 think clicking Kincaid when those guys are going there. 1258 01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:18,440 But he's not like a full fade for me by any means. 1259 01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:21,600 And I agree with you that somebody in the spills offense 1260 01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:25,280 has to be good. I'm not a Josh Allen denier. 1261 01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:28,120 I don't think like Stefan Diggs was the only reason Josh Allen 1262 01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:31,880 was good. So I do see myself having pretty 1263 01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:36,240 high exposure to actually James Cook at running back to Leon 1264 01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:39,960 Coleman, even even Shakur. Like as long as Shakur doesn't 1265 01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:43,320 rise too much, I don't think he's gonna he he's kind of, to 1266 01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:46,040 me a kind of sneaky high upside pick. 1267 01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:50,360 If we get kind of the more retro third year breakout out of him 1268 01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:51,720 potentially. It's not impossible. 1269 01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:54,800 So yeah. You know who I would maybe 1270 01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:58,200 compare him a little bit to? And not not this year so much 1271 01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:03,680 because because of injury issues, but TJ Hawkinson is a 1272 01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:05,800 little bit similar. Where like, you look at 1273 01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:09,760 Hawkinson's career, yeah. That's true. 1.28 yards per out 1274 01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:19,040 run. 1.571.481.73 and he was 1.89 last year but that 1.89 was 1275 01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:22,360 enough because he was you know, part of this, obviously it's 1276 01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:25,800 hurt, but like he was, he was a good pick, you know? 1277 01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:30,520 And if what does, what does Kincaid need to hit in terms of 1278 01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:33,120 efficiency to pay off this season because he's on the 1279 01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:35,760 Bills. I think it's like that 1.73 1280 01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:39,720 where most tight ends, because they don't run as many routes as 1281 01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:42,920 wide receivers, they're not on the bills. 1282 01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:46,720 They need to hit you know over 2 yards per out run to really get 1283 01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:50,800 there for you. At this price he he probably 1284 01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:55,160 just needs to be in that like 1.7 kind of Hawkinsoni type of 1285 01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:57,800 range I think. That makes sense. 1286 01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:00,800 Cool. So we'll yeah that we'll do it 1287 01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:03,680 for two stats and a lie going forward. 1288 01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:08,120 If anybody has suggestions for these, I'll open up. 1289 01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:13,040 I just created a new Gmail. It's just adpchasing@gmail.com. 1290 01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:16,120 If anyone wants to come up with these on their own, feel free to 1291 01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:18,400 submit them. Otherwise I'm just gonna. 1292 01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:20,880 I'm just gonna FUD the exciting young players. 1293 01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:26,000 Showed up for the Kincaid wasn't watching before he's streaming. 1294 01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:30,440 He shut down his stream for the Kincaid bit. 1295 01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:35,520 Oh, that's priceless. But yeah, if you want to submit 1296 01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:37,920 these and otherwise, you know, you know, the next one's going 1297 01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:39,280 to be about Jackson Smith and Jake BA. 1298 01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:41,680 After that, it's going to be about Roma Deunze. 1299 01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:43,440 So I. Can't wait. 1300 01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:47,400 Feel free to submit them. I can't wait for the for the 1301 01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:49,560 gross. Please with Jason, just make all 1302 01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:51,240 three stats as gross as possible. 1303 01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:55,200 I I thought about today, there's definitely going to be like a 1304 01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:56,840 Jake Bobo one in. There. 1305 01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:59,280 Oh yes, yes, it's gonna. Get really ugly. 1306 01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:05,480 We'll continue with normal ADP chasing. 1307 01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:07,760 I think Davis should be back soon, Lad, lad. 1308 01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:10,440 Mcconkey. Another awesome landing spot 1309 01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:12,920 here, I guess. Yeah. 1310 01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:14,400 What are your thoughts? Like we just talked about 1311 01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:17,319 Coleman. How do you compare him with 1312 01:08:17,319 --> 01:08:19,279 Mcconkey? They seem like kind of similar 1313 01:08:19,279 --> 01:08:21,000 bets to me. How are you? 1314 01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:22,560 How are you thinking about those two guys? 1315 01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:28,040 I do feel more confident in lad Mcconkey doing well in the NFL 1316 01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:31,439 than I do Coleman. Like with Coleman, you're like 1317 01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:33,520 you kind of. I felt like you're sort of 1318 01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:35,760 talking yourself in circles. You're like, well, it could hit 1319 01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:37,279 this way. But I also don't think he will. 1320 01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:42,319 You know, with Ladd, it's like he gets open, he can play on the 1321 01:08:42,319 --> 01:08:44,319 outside. He's not exclusively a slot. 1322 01:08:44,319 --> 01:08:46,359 He probably works into the slot some. 1323 01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:50,880 He's he's very athletic. His yards per route run was 1324 01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:53,240 awesome. He didn't run a ton of routes. 1325 01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:57,840 So that's like, well, that's weird, but there's no, not even 1326 01:08:57,840 --> 01:08:59,600 tar competition. But there's like barely route 1327 01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:01,640 competition here. Like who are they? 1328 01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:05,720 Literally like who is available to run routes if not LAD 1329 01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:08,160 Mcconkey, like he should have no trouble at all. 1330 01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:11,200 I mean rookie wide receivers sometimes come on more slowly 1331 01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:14,520 than we expect. But by week eight, week 9, like 1332 01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:17,319 LAD Mcconkey's gonna gonna have the route participation we want 1333 01:09:17,319 --> 01:09:20,240 I think. And there's just nobody else. 1334 01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:23,920 So I I just feel more way more comfy. 1335 01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:27,439 He's just such a a comfier clip to me than Keon Coleman. 1336 01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:32,640 I've got him at 93 right now in the ranks, but he's gonna rock 1337 01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:37,520 it up boards and we've got him at 68 in the pure rank. 1338 01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:41,080 I think that's probably where he settles or maybe even behind 1339 01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:44,399 where he settles. You could maybe talk me into 1340 01:09:44,399 --> 01:09:46,920 raising him up until like the early 6th if that happens. 1341 01:09:48,399 --> 01:09:50,399 Yeah, I like that. I like being aggressive on him. 1342 01:09:50,399 --> 01:09:52,960 I agree with you. I think if we're talking like 1343 01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:58,000 absolute pure ceiling, just Keon Coleman's body type and the fact 1344 01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:01,160 that he's on an offense in the Bills, that is probably likely 1345 01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:03,560 to throw a lot more than the Chargers. 1346 01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:05,760 I'd say like pure absolute ceiling. 1347 01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:08,920 Give it to Coleman but like ability of hitting like a 1348 01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:12,440 realistic ceiling. I I think I'm with you on 1349 01:10:12,440 --> 01:10:16,120 Mcconkey and yeah, target competition is so bad. 1350 01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:18,760 I do think you know Harbaugh's bringing this run based 1351 01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:22,640 philosophy to the Chargers. I don't deny that. 1352 01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:25,120 But when you have Justin Herbert, I do think there's some 1353 01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:28,760 baseline level of pass attempts. I mean, maybe I'll be wrong here 1354 01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:31,800 and Arbaugh's gonna go full boomer and they'll be bottom 5 1355 01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:33,960 in pass attempts. But I think it's more likely to 1356 01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:39,000 be like Purdy Esque level of pass attempts where maybe 1357 01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:42,400 they're 15th to the 20th in the NFL and pass attempts not like 1358 01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:45,040 close to the very bottom. I mean, you have Justin Herbert 1359 01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:49,000 after all, so I just. Think there's like, even if it 1360 01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:51,880 is, I think he can get there to, to a degree, right. 1361 01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:53,800 Like what? What are we asking for, you 1362 01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:55,840 know? But if you're like, man, I I 1363 01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:58,280 need a wide receiver three in the sixth round. 1364 01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:02,400 Give me Lad Mcconkey, like, that's that seems pretty good. 1365 01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:05,960 Maybe he doesn't have like the highest, highest ceiling, 'cause 1366 01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:07,880 I agree with you that they're not gonna throw a ton, but like 1367 01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:10,360 there's no, they don't have a tight end. 1368 01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:13,840 They just traded away their pass catching running back or let him 1369 01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:17,800 walk and brought in Gus Edwards and JK Dobbins coming off an 1370 01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:20,120 Achilles tear and you know a 6th rounder. 1371 01:11:20,440 --> 01:11:23,280 Like there's nobody, there's nobody. 1372 01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:25,720 Quinton Johnston is gonna have a meaningful role in this offense 1373 01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:30,920 Like they he has the IT could all funnel through Ladd 1374 01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:33,600 Mcconkey, especially down the second-half of the season. 1375 01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:36,520 Like he could just, I mean, he could have like a 28% target 1376 01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:38,160 share without like even being amazing. 1377 01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:42,160 That's why it drives me crazy when like, I think there's some, 1378 01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:45,960 like, extremist elements of fantasy football discourse that 1379 01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:47,880 will say, like target competition doesn't. 1380 01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:51,160 Matter. No. 1381 01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:53,880 You'll get on Twitter and people will say target competition 1382 01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:56,080 doesn't matter. Like vacated targets don't 1383 01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:59,320 exist, buddy. Get ready to learn vacated 1384 01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:02,080 targets with Vlad Bakoppi Conky on the Chargers. 1385 01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:06,880 Like they're gonna exist. Like, like, I don't know what to 1386 01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:09,840 tell you, but like, who's who's there? 1387 01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:13,040 Like what? What is the offense's plan if 1388 01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:15,520 it's not scheming up Ladd mcconkey like? 1389 01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:18,120 Sam does have the lighting of someone who's written a 1390 01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:21,240 manifesto. I'm just saying that. 1391 01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:23,680 No, I'm anti the extremist elements. 1392 01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:25,160 Not, I'm not. I'm not amongst them. 1393 01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:29,160 Let me be clear. Well, if you're anti enough, you 1394 01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:31,360 need some extreme in your own right. 1395 01:12:32,440 --> 01:12:38,080 What is the highest you can see yourself taking Ladd Mcconkey in 1396 01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:42,080 a fantasy football draft? Well, Pat just said on his pure 1397 01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:44,640 ranks, he's at, what, pick 65 or something? 1398 01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:47,680 Yeah, I I also have him in the 60s. 1399 01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:50,960 You could you could you could force me into take him in the 1400 01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:56,440 50s? I mean, I say this because I can 1401 01:12:56,440 --> 01:13:01,480 only think in terms of JSN, but what's the point of taking JSN 1402 01:13:01,480 --> 01:13:05,240 over lab mcconkey? I mean, I I don't play. 1403 01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:08,760 Yeah. My ADP, he's like 30. 1404 01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:10,760 I know, but that's. Gonna it's gonna change quickly 1405 01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:13,720 like probably tomorrow it'll change like I think he, I think 1406 01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:18,400 he flips him no problem. Yeah, I I hope we're dealing 1407 01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:20,240 with rational drafters, but I don't know. 1408 01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:24,520 It's it's like Jordan Addison, Brian Thomas. 1409 01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:29,240 You know, I think that's kind of where you maybe even Jaden Reid 1410 01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:32,600 like that's sort of the. Argument Jordan Addison learned, 1411 01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:34,800 getting drafted behind Lad Mcconkey brother. 1412 01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:38,960 Yeah, yeah. Did not, did not have Showing up 1413 01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:41,640 as a Lad Mcconkey bowl on my bingo card. 1414 01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:46,400 But I mean, come on, dude. Rome, A doomsday or Lad 1415 01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:48,200 Mcconkey. Rome. 1416 01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:50,160 But it's closer than you'd think. 1417 01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:54,320 I don't even know if it will be closer than I think, 'cause I 1418 01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:56,080 think he flips him. What if? 1419 01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:58,840 What is? What is Roma Dunzay project for 1420 01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:01,160 in week 17 of Keenan? Allen is not active and the 1421 01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:03,360 Bears have to win to win the division. 1422 01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:07,520 This is why I still have Rome ahead, but I'm the last things 1423 01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:11,040 I'm expecting myself to get passed by the market and then 1424 01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:14,080 have the tough conversation of, yeah, do we, do we move ahead of 1425 01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:17,840 Rome, Brian Thomas, you know, get him up ahead of some of 1426 01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:20,760 these tight ends and I think we do. 1427 01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:23,800 I think it happens. I mean this is just like these 1428 01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:28,560 like 3 days right now before the ADP starts to configure itself 1429 01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:32,600 is like the time to draft Ladd Mcconkey and like not draft AD 1430 01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:35,400 Mitchell. Right, exactly. 1431 01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:37,000 Yeah. Don't draft AD Mitchell right 1432 01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:39,440 now. Oh my God, Can you imagine in 1433 01:14:39,440 --> 01:14:41,880 freaking July how much 80 Mitchell I'm going to have, 1434 01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:44,080 though? Like when when 80 Mitchell gets 1435 01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:47,960 banished to the shadow realm like wide receiver 72, my drafts 1436 01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:49,680 are just going to come preloaded with him. 1437 01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:53,720 It's going to be amazing. Davis, I mean, the draft went 1438 01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:56,520 pretty well for you with the Chiefs grabbing a wide receiver 1439 01:14:56,640 --> 01:14:58,120 in the first round and everyone's excited. 1440 01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:01,480 But it is pretty funny that you were like leading the charge on 1441 01:15:01,480 --> 01:15:05,560 80 Mitchell over Xavier Worthy and I don't know if do you do 1442 01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:08,960 you still believe that? Or have the, I mean obviously no 1443 01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:11,040 but I I like it makes total sense. 1444 01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:13,600 I mean I mean it's just like so clear what the chiefs wanted out 1445 01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:16,920 of worthy like they just want to they want Tyreke again. 1446 01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:19,200 Let's like they remember when we had Tyreke. 1447 01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:21,920 Let's try and do that again. Let's try that, yeah. 1448 01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:25,040 And 80 Mitchell also makes perfect sense for the Colts, 1449 01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:26,960 right? Yeah, I mean, like, super 1450 01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:30,240 perfect. I also people hated on this pick 1451 01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:34,200 when it happened. But the Jalen Polk thing makes 1452 01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:38,840 sense. If if if the idea is he played 1453 01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:41,320 with these other two guys who are really good and he's 1454 01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:45,240 basically just like a really good slot wide receiver, like 1455 01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:48,960 he's like Kendrick Bourne plus or Demario Douglas plus or Juju 1456 01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:52,560 Smith Schuster plus. Maybe not what I would have 1457 01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:54,480 done, but like, I get it. You know what I mean? 1458 01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:56,320 Definitely not what I would have done. 1459 01:15:56,320 --> 01:16:00,320 It does remind me of like Polk is one of these guys. 1460 01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:04,080 I'm not a big Polk guy, so it's going to seem somewhat 1461 01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:05,520 derogatory, although it's not really. 1462 01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:08,560 But like, he kind of reminds me of like these these teams that 1463 01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:11,480 are sort of turning over and these dudes like emerge and they 1464 01:16:11,480 --> 01:16:14,400 are productive like a Cecil Schwartz and they have a couple 1465 01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:15,240 seasons. Oh. 1466 01:16:15,440 --> 01:16:19,560 My God. You know, he had like 900 yards 1467 01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:22,480 that one year randomly. That's who Jalen Polk is. 1468 01:16:22,480 --> 01:16:24,840 He's going to have like 900 yards and 600 yards. 1469 01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:27,360 Dee, Dee, Westbrook. Dee Westbrook No. 1470 01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:30,200 Dee Westbrook won a blitnikoff. Dee Westbrook would have been 1471 01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:32,320 good. They think there are career 1472 01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:33,680 paths where things would have worked out. 1473 01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:38,400 I was so I'm a Patriots Patriots fan. 1474 01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:41,640 I was pretty pissed. That took Poke over AD Mitchell. 1475 01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:44,440 Also, just with their makeup of their current wide receiver 1476 01:16:44,440 --> 01:16:46,920 room. Poke can like play flanker, but 1477 01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:50,440 he's he's not an X wide receiver Mitchell, I get that Mitchell 1478 01:16:50,440 --> 01:16:53,760 was super volatile, but I feel like if he hits like he is an 1479 01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:56,200 awesome X wide receiver, which is what the Patriots need. 1480 01:16:56,760 --> 01:17:00,680 So yeah, I don't know. I I feel lukewarm about it after 1481 01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:01,680 reflecting. Like you should. 1482 01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:04,360 You should feel lukewarm. You should feel it's a it's a 1483 01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:06,800 Luke, it's a lukewarm pick, but. Lukewarm pick. 1484 01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:08,840 I don't. Was another guy I wanted to 1485 01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:11,160 float as a as a randomly productive guy. 1486 01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:14,880 Don't you guys think that the way the market is going to treat 1487 01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:19,400 it is it's like the slot work is like Kendrick Bourne and Demario 1488 01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:22,720 Douglas and Jalen, it's like, but if Polk wins it. 1489 01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:25,480 But Polk can play on the outside, can he? 1490 01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:27,240 Yeah, isn't. He Milan the slot. 1491 01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:30,400 He was, yeah, yeah. So Polk was best in the slot 1492 01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:33,640 when McMillan was hurt. OK, he played flanker, so 1493 01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:37,560 outside, but off ball, I think most of the time something 1494 01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:41,000 interesting was yeah. Baker, Baker kind of profiles as 1495 01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:45,040 an ex. So the Patriots wide receiver 1496 01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:52,120 coach was the Washington coach. OK. 1497 01:17:53,440 --> 01:17:57,280 So, Jalen Polk. Time to learn nepotism, buddy. 1498 01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:01,560 Oh, the Washington, the. Washington Huskies coach. 1499 01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:06,280 Wait, that's what the Patriots wide receiver coach Oh wow. 1500 01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:08,880 That's what that is. What is the chat line? 1501 01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:10,520 We better get ready to learn nepotism. 1502 01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:14,440 Wait, so the Washington It must be the Washington wide receiver 1503 01:18:14,480 --> 01:18:16,600 coach, not the Washington head coach, right? 1504 01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:18,880 Because the Washington head coach would have got a better 1505 01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:21,320 upgrade. You got to look this up. 1506 01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:24,320 Yeah, Patriots wide receiver coach. 1507 01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:29,600 Tyler Paulino, 89, Can you can we get some, can we get an 1508 01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:32,160 update on this? I just, I just did a whole. 1509 01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:34,720 I just did a whole bit based on your comment and I need it. 1510 01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:38,200 I need it explained upon expanded upon. 1511 01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:44,680 His name is. Tyler is this Tyler Hughes? 1512 01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:47,920 Well, that's what the AI thing on Google thinks but the But 1513 01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:49,840 apparently it's not. Apparently it's brown. 1514 01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:54,120 Troy Brown No, OK. We can talk to our sources, 1515 01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:56,160 meaning grouch, and see if this is actually true. 1516 01:18:56,160 --> 01:18:58,240 No. No, this is this is legit Tyler. 1517 01:18:58,240 --> 01:18:59,560 What is Tyler Hughes? AI was. 1518 01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:01,680 Tyler Hughes LinkedIn Experience. 1519 01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:07,000 He was the assistant head coach at UW, OK and now is the wide 1520 01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:08,200 receiver's coach for the Patriots. 1521 01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:14,560 So correct This is correct. Yeah, I mean, I guess we're 1522 01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:20,040 we're hiring the quality control coach on offense to be the water 1523 01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:21,560 receiver. That makes sense, I guess. 1524 01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:24,240 All right. So I mean, yeah, that that was 1525 01:19:24,240 --> 01:19:28,600 my next point is that I think Polk is just like a full time 1526 01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:32,720 starter right away, which that that's why I had the Patriots as 1527 01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:35,720 a good landing spot for like a second and third round pick. 1528 01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:38,720 Obviously. Like the true ceiling upside 1529 01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:41,680 probably isn't there in Drake May in his first year. 1530 01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:43,000 Maybe. You could argue. 1531 01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:46,120 That's not true. This show presupposes, is that 1532 01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:50,080 it is this we we are presupposing that the Drake may 1533 01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:53,000 total smash may in fact happen. This is a Drake May show. 1534 01:19:53,320 --> 01:19:55,160 Yeah. Then I think you guys gotta be 1535 01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:56,640 on Jalen Polk, right? That's. 1536 01:19:56,640 --> 01:20:00,920 How I am on Jalen Polk. Yeah, I'm also on Baker as an 1537 01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:02,080 eighteenth round. Dart 2. 1538 01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:05,560 Me too, Baker. The problem is so I need you 1539 01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:09,120 guys to talk some sense into me on the Drake May side of this, 1540 01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:13,080 because if Drake May does not play for much of the season, he 1541 01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:17,320 is a horrendous best ball pick. However, I would really like it 1542 01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:21,520 if he did. I mean, that's Sam's territory. 1543 01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:24,720 I I haven't followed. I mean, what I really want, 1544 01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:27,040 Davis, is for you to make me feel good about what I'm going 1545 01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:28,480 to do. The, the. 1546 01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:30,880 The. Brig sets going to start four 1547 01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:33,000 games. It's going to start four games. 1548 01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:38,320 That's what people are saying. Just, yeah, if he sits more than 1549 01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:42,080 that, I think it would be dumb, like you just got to let him. 1550 01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:44,040 You got to let him see what he's got. 1551 01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:46,040 But. We've got him next to Will 1552 01:20:46,040 --> 01:20:49,400 Lavish, Gino Smith, Derek Carr. Are you taking him over those 1553 01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:53,360 guys? I probably am done at 1554 01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:57,960 quarterback by then. I I honestly, I just what I've 1555 01:20:57,960 --> 01:21:01,160 learned is that quarterback both does and does not matter where. 1556 01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:04,120 It's like the difference between tacking on 1/3 quarterback and 1557 01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:08,080 with Drake may adding how many points does that add for me over 1558 01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:10,960 the course of a year. So I I want a lot of. 1559 01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:14,480 What I want a lot of is I want a lot of elite quarterback plus 1560 01:21:14,480 --> 01:21:20,200 quarterback 19 builds. I I want a lot of Josh Allen or 1561 01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:22,840 maybe Jalen Hurts and Matt Stafford. 1562 01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:26,000 I want a lot of Kyler Murray and Jane Daniels. 1563 01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:30,280 I I don't know how much I want to dip my toes into the, 1564 01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:34,840 especially because I don't think I'm going to be in on Fields and 1565 01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:38,320 I'm just going to get dominated by the people who draft Fields. 1566 01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:41,920 If field starts like I just am going to be dead to them. 1567 01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:45,160 If Fields ends up starting by like Week 4, like it's just 1568 01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:48,120 going to be like great. I brought my Geo Smith Drake May 1569 01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:50,240 team to a Justin Fields fight and. 1570 01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:52,720 But to be clear, you're not drafting any Justin fields, 1571 01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:55,000 right? I'm just knocked at it because I 1572 01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:56,880 think the I have. Way too much brand equity 1573 01:21:56,880 --> 01:21:58,840 invested in fading Justin. Fields I just. 1574 01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:01,200 Even if I thought it was a good pick, I just. 1575 01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:04,840 I really want the outcomes where you get. 1576 01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:08,920 Some fields you pretty contingencies in place for when 1577 01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:11,920 you're wrong on fields that aren't just drafting some 1578 01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:17,400 fields. But I mean, what is, What is? 1579 01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:20,560 And also, here's the thing, So like, let's say Fields does even 1580 01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:22,680 get the job by like Week 5 or whatever. 1581 01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:24,960 I mean, who's to say that we don't end up with Mason Rudolph 1582 01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:28,120 back in our lives by week 11? I know Fields is a tough click 1583 01:22:28,120 --> 01:22:29,760 for me too, to be honest. I mean. 1584 01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:32,040 That's actually the best scenario for my brand equity is 1585 01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:35,600 he gets a chance at it and it's so bad that he gets re bench. 1586 01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:37,600 That's. Sam, that is. 1587 01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:40,600 Well, that's your position. It's so. 1588 01:22:43,160 --> 01:22:45,880 Nice. Yeah. 1589 01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:52,000 Yeah, hurt in the chat. Mason Rudolph is a Titan for 1590 01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:53,280 now. We'll see. 1591 01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:56,000 Yeah, for now, the Steelers are trading a first round pick for 1592 01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:59,120 him on Week by Week 7. Come on, Luke McCaffrey. 1593 01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:01,480 By the way, before we move on, I sounds like we're moving to 1594 01:23:01,480 --> 01:23:04,760 another position, but Luke McCaffrey, we we're going to be 1595 01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:07,160 pretty aggressive when I think I what? 1596 01:23:07,160 --> 01:23:08,720 Is he? I called, I called this. 1597 01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:10,640 I said I I called this weeks ago. 1598 01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:13,080 I was like, guys, let's just be honest, Luke Mccaffrey's going 1599 01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:15,040 to be good. And the only reason for that was 1600 01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:16,760 because his last name was McCaffrey and. 1601 01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:18,360 Another. Another. 1602 01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:20,520 Another. You were right, Sam. 1603 01:23:21,480 --> 01:23:24,760 And look, now he gets to be competing with Johann Dodson for 1604 01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:26,680 Target, So you get to double down on your target competition 1605 01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:28,040 point. I mean, that's not much 1606 01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:31,520 competition. Another Nepal baby to succeed in 1607 01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:33,400 Washington. Luke McCaffrey. 1608 01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:39,000 Yeah let's let's get on. I think there's other 1609 01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:41,160 interesting conversations here with other wide receivers, but 1610 01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:43,560 let's let's go to running back now. 1611 01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:47,040 We're 20 in we'll hit on those guys later I'm sure Jonathan 1612 01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:50,920 Brooks surprisingly high draft capital maybe are a little bit 1613 01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:55,040 higher than expected. Pick 46 goes to Carolina. 1614 01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:57,920 I had that rated as a good landing spot just cause the 1615 01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:02,600 depth tar competition is barren. Davis where? 1616 01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:05,040 What are your thoughts on this Brooks Landing Spa in? 1617 01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:07,240 Carolina I just think I'm going to get priced out. 1618 01:24:07,720 --> 01:24:11,440 I I mean, I I I don't if he stayed at 106 sure. 1619 01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:14,200 But I I have a sense that he's going to end up. 1620 01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:18,520 I mean what what's what's the theoretical difference between 1621 01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:20,520 Jonathan Brooks and Rashad White? 1622 01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:25,040 Well, Rashad White's bad. Yeah. 1623 01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:27,760 No, no, I'm. I'm not even saying in terms of 1624 01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:29,880 scale or whatever. I'm just saying in terms of 1625 01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:33,160 like, friend drafter's minds, like, is Chuba Hubbard, Is Chuba 1626 01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:35,360 Hubbard more of an obstacle than Bucky Irving? 1627 01:24:36,440 --> 01:24:39,240 I mean, he's coming off a torn ACL that he suffered in November 1628 01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:42,120 and didn't get surgery for until December, so I would hope we get 1629 01:24:42,120 --> 01:24:45,600 a a discount on that. I think we'll get that discount 1630 01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:47,880 plus the Panthers stink discount. 1631 01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:50,440 Like we'll like literally we'll get the discount from David 1632 01:24:50,440 --> 01:24:53,160 Tepper walking into the restaurant owner's store and 1633 01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:55,680 taking his hat off. Like we're getting that type of 1634 01:24:55,680 --> 01:24:59,480 discount because no one wants to touch Panthers, I think. 1635 01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:02,880 But to your point, Davis, I mean, this is the type of pick 1636 01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:05,200 that normally would end up going in the fifth round. 1637 01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:07,840 Yes, yeah. But if he's an eighth round 1638 01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:09,160 pick, I'm pretty. I'm pretty in. 1639 01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:12,680 I don't really think. I don't really think he's that 1640 01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:14,320 interesting though, 'cause it's just either. 1641 01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:19,440 Like he'll rise a little bit, but his ceiling is so capped by 1642 01:25:19,440 --> 01:25:22,080 the David Tepper, Bryce Young experience. 1643 01:25:23,480 --> 01:25:26,560 Yeah, I think he should actually fall a little bit from where he 1644 01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:29,560 was going on the big board. I mean, yes, he got draft 1645 01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:33,400 capital, but this is not a fun. I mean, he could have gone to 1646 01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:36,400 the Cowboys like they were. He could have gone to the 1647 01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:38,400 Chargers, I mean. He could have gone to the Rams. 1648 01:25:38,440 --> 01:25:41,120 If Jonathan Brooks went to the Rams, how high could his ADP? 1649 01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:42,400 Go. Yeah, yeah. 1650 01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:43,680 I mean, he could. Have went to Miami. 1651 01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:46,560 He could have went to Miami. No, I I'd push. 1652 01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:50,280 I think the the Panthers landing spot is better than those 'cause 1653 01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:52,720 then we're talking scenarios where it's like, is he just a 1654 01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:56,080 handcuff? Like, is his knee gonna be OK? 1655 01:25:56,320 --> 01:25:58,520 Sure, but I mean the Chargers and the the Cowboys. 1656 01:25:58,520 --> 01:25:59,800 Were the Chargers and the Cowboys? 1657 01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:01,960 Yeah, 100%. I mean you had even coming off a 1658 01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:05,560 torn ACL, he's like a six thrown pick in those in those landing 1659 01:26:05,560 --> 01:26:09,160 spots. So that that getting pulled out 1660 01:26:09,160 --> 01:26:12,640 of his range of outcomes should create a a fall in his price, 1661 01:26:12,640 --> 01:26:14,200 but I don't know that it it won't. 1662 01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:15,080 It. For sure. 1663 01:26:15,160 --> 01:26:16,280 Won't. No, it won't. 1664 01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:19,080 And and Benson, I bet, rises a little bit too. 1665 01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:22,800 I think Benson rises for sure. Benson, we moved up. 1666 01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:25,960 I I moved. I moved, no, I moved him up and 1667 01:26:25,960 --> 01:26:29,240 I moved Connor down. But that's, I'm very predisposed 1668 01:26:29,240 --> 01:26:30,640 to doing that, obviously. Yeah. 1669 01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:37,120 Benson was very tricky because he I wanted to move him down 1670 01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:40,840 from his ADP, which is a little bit, you know it. 1671 01:26:40,840 --> 01:26:45,760 It also included some of those absolute nuts landing spots, but 1672 01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:48,320 I I ultimately think he rises a little. 1673 01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:51,160 Isn't Arizona kind of an absolutely nuts landing spots 1674 01:26:51,160 --> 01:26:54,160 you share the backfield with the 29 year old who? 1675 01:26:54,680 --> 01:26:56,200 Can. Dominate. 1676 01:26:56,200 --> 01:26:57,840 I think it's yeah, I think it's good. 1677 01:26:58,840 --> 01:27:01,520 But second round, Cowboys is what we you know, we're second 1678 01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:04,600 round, Chargers third round. Cowboys, yeah. 1679 01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:09,200 Yeah, it's it's not as good. Yeah, but I don't know like I 1680 01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:12,520 hear you on. I don't know, I just, I I feel 1681 01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:15,280 like we should kind of throw like the pre draft anchoring out 1682 01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:19,680 the window to some extent. Like I'm not that worried about 1683 01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:22,360 like oh like well he didn't get the nut landing spot therefore 1684 01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:24,880 he should go down a little bit. I don't know like. 1685 01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:27,800 I'm more thinking of it like. You're right, we should throw it 1686 01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:28,800 out. We should throw it out. 1687 01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:31,600 It's just like a, you know, a way for me to think through it. 1688 01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:33,360 But you're right, it doesn't really matter. 1689 01:27:33,960 --> 01:27:37,240 Yeah, and and I think, you know, comparing him to like Tony 1690 01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:41,600 Pollard or Naji Harris or I don't know, I'm trying to list 1691 01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:43,040 guys who are going in that range. 1692 01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:45,800 I think Benson is a better pick than those guys. 1693 01:27:46,440 --> 01:27:50,680 So I I think this is an awesome landing spot for him. 1694 01:27:50,680 --> 01:27:53,680 I do think James Conner is good, but if they're both hovering 1695 01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:57,040 around pick 100, I think they'd both be pretty, pretty good 1696 01:27:57,040 --> 01:27:59,240 selections there. The the one concern I have with 1697 01:27:59,240 --> 01:28:02,360 Benson is actually the draft capital part of it where like he 1698 01:28:02,360 --> 01:28:05,840 was a college committee back and typically with those guys you 1699 01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:08,800 really do want to see that they get drafted really high in the 1700 01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:12,960 NFL draft or they end up just kind of being actual committee 1701 01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:17,000 backs in the in the NFL. Like the it's the the guys that 1702 01:28:17,160 --> 01:28:20,000 like with Blair's Blair Andrews backfield dominated rating has 1703 01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:22,480 done a a really good job of finding guys who dominate the 1704 01:28:22,480 --> 01:28:24,840 backfields in the late rounds. They kind of the guys who can 1705 01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:28,720 emerge, but it's generally not been something you really care 1706 01:28:28,720 --> 01:28:32,400 about for guys like Etienne or Josh Jacobs or Miles Sanders who 1707 01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:36,840 like didn't do that in college, but all those guys were, you 1708 01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:41,320 know, round one or two picks. Benson, the draft capital makes 1709 01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:43,160 me a little bit more nervous about who he is. 1710 01:28:43,160 --> 01:28:46,480 He might be kind of a committee back in the pros, I think So I I 1711 01:28:46,480 --> 01:28:47,840 don't want to chase it up too far. 1712 01:28:47,840 --> 01:28:52,880 But yeah, I mean, I I probably would take him over DeAndre 1713 01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:57,480 Swift or Tony Pollard. Yeah, you're definitely, I think 1714 01:28:57,480 --> 01:28:58,840 like there's definitely scenarios. 1715 01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:01,280 I mean, James Connor was just really good last year. 1716 01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:04,840 There's no two ways about it and there's definitely scenarios 1717 01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:09,120 where Trey Benson is just a backup to James Connor like 1718 01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:10,560 that. That wouldn't be crazy. 1719 01:29:11,160 --> 01:29:13,520 Still though, I think there's a certain point like you're 1720 01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:17,680 getting such certainty that he's going to have a role or at least 1721 01:29:17,680 --> 01:29:21,120 be the RB2 on the team that I'm willing to pay. 1722 01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:24,400 Like a little bit of a premium even not being sure if he's 1723 01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:29,080 going to be the starter. Just cause yeah, I I I think 1724 01:29:29,080 --> 01:29:30,720 it's still pretty exciting landing spot. 1725 01:29:31,720 --> 01:29:32,760 Yeah, I'm gonna touch on a little bit. 1726 01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:33,840 I like that. I like that Take. 1727 01:29:35,280 --> 01:29:39,520 Yeah, Korum, we touched on this in the beginning, but this was 1728 01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:42,520 one of the more fascinating landing spots to me. 1729 01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:46,600 Like, I think from a starting point, there's no RB2 on the 1730 01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:49,400 RAM, so that's really good for Korum. 1731 01:29:49,400 --> 01:29:52,240 I think he's like 100% locked in as the RB2. 1732 01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:54,600 Then the question is like how much is he into Karen's 1733 01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:57,600 workload? And I think that's almost an 1734 01:29:57,600 --> 01:30:00,720 unanswerable question right now, but something that's going to be 1735 01:30:00,720 --> 01:30:02,640 really interesting to monitor through the summer. 1736 01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:06,640 Any more quorum quorum takes. I know we've touched on this 1737 01:30:06,640 --> 01:30:11,160 earlier. Weirdly, I I feels like I need 1738 01:30:11,160 --> 01:30:14,880 to force myself to be in on him and I did move him up in my 1739 01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:20,680 stuff, but I I don't know. It's just it's like right now I, 1740 01:30:20,680 --> 01:30:23,040 I it's very hard to say. Is he a pure handcuff? 1741 01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:24,880 Is he Daryl Henderson? Is he Cam Makers? 1742 01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:27,320 Is he? Is he Ronnie Rivers Is he? 1743 01:30:27,400 --> 01:30:30,920 You know, I, I and the Rams are so weird about their draft picks 1744 01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:33,680 too. Like they take guys like they 1745 01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:36,600 they spent second round picks on Van Jefferson and Tutu Atwell 1746 01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:38,720 and then like didn't play them, you know. 1747 01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:41,200 So I don't know. We don't even know what the Rams 1748 01:30:41,200 --> 01:30:43,440 do with draft picks because they trade them all away. 1749 01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:49,920 Yeah, I think he's probably a pretty good pick at the similar 1750 01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:53,400 ADP to what he had. And yeah, it's also kind of an 1751 01:30:53,400 --> 01:30:55,040 interesting one because we all thought he was going to the 1752 01:30:55,040 --> 01:30:57,800 Chargers, you know, as their, their new starter. 1753 01:30:58,120 --> 01:31:00,640 That doesn't happen. But yeah, maybe he should just 1754 01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:04,680 kind of go where he was going because, you know, he's right. 1755 01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:06,480 By Zach. Zach Charbonnet. 1756 01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:09,040 It's like the exact same bet, right? 1757 01:31:09,040 --> 01:31:13,440 It's just like pure contingency. But you know you're actually a 1758 01:31:13,440 --> 01:31:17,480 little bit more excited about Blake Korum if if he were to 1759 01:31:17,480 --> 01:31:20,640 have the contingent bet pay off. But Charbonnet probably has a 1760 01:31:20,640 --> 01:31:23,920 bit more standalone value, maybe he works in more the receiving 1761 01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:26,280 downs and that type of stuff and Cora might just be like a 1762 01:31:26,280 --> 01:31:28,920 straight back up for a lot of the season. 1763 01:31:28,920 --> 01:31:32,600 So, but that's that's how I'm viewing it like that that type 1764 01:31:32,600 --> 01:31:36,280 of contingent value bet that you want to start taking in the 1765 01:31:36,280 --> 01:31:39,760 early double digit rounds. That makes sense. 1766 01:31:40,760 --> 01:31:43,240 Marshall Lloyd want to touch on here? 1767 01:31:43,880 --> 01:31:46,000 I don't know. I think this one is like kind of 1768 01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:48,640 similar in some ways. I think you're pretty clearly 1769 01:31:48,640 --> 01:31:53,120 getting the handcuff. AJ Dillon, I think is. 1770 01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:54,960 I don't know. I just don't think he's any good 1771 01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:57,280 anymore. They can get out of his contract 1772 01:31:57,280 --> 01:31:59,440 pretty easily if they want to. And he's on a really cheap deal 1773 01:31:59,440 --> 01:32:01,760 anyways. Yeah, don't. 1774 01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:03,720 Don't really. I think don't really see Lloyd 1775 01:32:03,720 --> 01:32:07,400 pressing Jacobs to be the starter in year one, but there 1776 01:32:07,400 --> 01:32:10,120 could definitely is a role for a second running back on this 1777 01:32:10,120 --> 01:32:11,640 team. Lefleur is always kind of 1778 01:32:11,640 --> 01:32:14,080 heavily. Used the second running back. 1779 01:32:14,120 --> 01:32:17,760 Yeah. So yeah, I don't know. 1780 01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:21,960 I don't have anything. Else I want to I want to I don't 1781 01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:25,440 want to talk about Jalen Wright because I I that feels like we 1782 01:32:25,440 --> 01:32:27,520 could spend like let's save that for another time. 1783 01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:30,200 I think we could do that for an hour because then it gets into 1784 01:32:30,200 --> 01:32:32,920 other AD PS. But I I think Bucky Irving is 1785 01:32:32,920 --> 01:32:37,640 more interesting to do in a vacuum because we basically saw 1786 01:32:37,640 --> 01:32:41,440 Rashad White. I mean he was he was bucks Kyron 1787 01:32:41,440 --> 01:32:44,920 Williams last year like he like they were playing no one else. 1788 01:32:44,920 --> 01:32:46,840 They weren't taking him off the field on 3rd downs then we're 1789 01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:49,760 taking him off on goal line. And I mean you know structure 1790 01:32:50,160 --> 01:32:53,160 structurally, I don't know if that is what they want to do. 1791 01:32:53,160 --> 01:32:56,800 They also have a new offensive coordinator who might be less or 1792 01:32:56,800 --> 01:33:01,000 more committed to doing that. And I mean, as we have famously 1793 01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:03,160 argued on this show, like Rashad White's fine. 1794 01:33:04,160 --> 01:33:06,720 He, but he's not great. I mean, Rashad White's not great 1795 01:33:06,720 --> 01:33:07,760 NFL running. How's he? 1796 01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:11,680 How's he stacking up for you in terms of the watch scale, Sam, 1797 01:33:11,720 --> 01:33:13,720 'cause last year I believe you said he was the roughest watch 1798 01:33:13,720 --> 01:33:16,320 in the NFL. He's he's still the roughest 1799 01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:19,880 watch in the NFL. On actually, I'll give, I'll 1800 01:33:19,880 --> 01:33:22,240 give him this. He out of the backfield as 1801 01:33:22,240 --> 01:33:26,640 receiver Rashad White is a perfectly cromulent. 1802 01:33:26,720 --> 01:33:28,120 Cromulent Theo. Ridic. 1803 01:33:28,480 --> 01:33:30,240 He is. He is perfectly good. 1804 01:33:30,280 --> 01:33:32,680 Theo Ridic. He's perfectly cromulent as a 1805 01:33:32,680 --> 01:33:35,880 receiver, As a rusher, I challenge you to find a tougher 1806 01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:38,040 watch besides AJ Dillon, I'll give him that. 1807 01:33:38,040 --> 01:33:39,280 He's easier to watch. Than AJ Dillon. 1808 01:33:39,280 --> 01:33:40,520 He's easier to watch than AJ Dillon. 1809 01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:43,200 Shout out by the way. Shout out to Underdog 4, 1810 01:33:43,200 --> 01:33:45,160 including CEO Nvaki as a running back in the. 1811 01:33:45,160 --> 01:33:46,960 Playing pool, yes. That's huge. 1812 01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:51,440 Here's my point on to to piggyback off your Irving, take 1813 01:33:51,520 --> 01:33:55,400 Davis. Rashad White was like the Kyra 1814 01:33:55,400 --> 01:33:58,720 Williams of the Bucks last year. But I think what's different 1815 01:33:58,720 --> 01:34:01,720 than with the Bucks is they tried to get other guys 1816 01:34:01,720 --> 01:34:04,720 involved. Like early on it was like Sean 1817 01:34:04,720 --> 01:34:06,160 Tucker. Oh, he sucks. 1818 01:34:06,160 --> 01:34:08,480 OK, let's try Keshawn Vaughn. Oh, he sucks too. 1819 01:34:08,480 --> 01:34:10,680 OK, let's try Chase. Let's try Chase Edmonds. 1820 01:34:10,760 --> 01:34:13,120 Von Chase Edmonds. And I don't think it was wrong. 1821 01:34:13,840 --> 01:34:16,160 Yeah, like they were. Trying. 1822 01:34:17,920 --> 01:34:20,720 Yeah, Yeah. So I think Bucky Ribbing is like 1823 01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:23,680 a pretty like, I think he's immediately draftable, you know, 1824 01:34:23,680 --> 01:34:26,520 last round type guy. And I think he's kind of 1825 01:34:26,520 --> 01:34:29,560 interesting as a handcuff, just because he only has to be better 1826 01:34:29,560 --> 01:34:33,160 than Chase Edmonds. Yeah, I mean that's how we found 1827 01:34:33,160 --> 01:34:35,840 Kyron last year, right? Like no one thought he was going 1828 01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:38,480 to be a smash. We just thought he was free 1829 01:34:38,480 --> 01:34:41,040 contingent value. And so you draft these guys that 1830 01:34:41,040 --> 01:34:44,920 that are clear handcuffs and. I took like 0. 1831 01:34:45,240 --> 01:34:48,320 I took like 0. Bucky Irving pre draft. 1832 01:34:48,320 --> 01:34:52,160 Now I think he's the target. I also think Ray Ray Davis is an 1833 01:34:52,240 --> 01:34:53,960 obvious, obvious target right now. 1834 01:34:54,040 --> 01:34:58,640 I mean, it's just he is, I mean he can catch passes too. 1835 01:34:58,640 --> 01:35:00,480 He's big body. They like, You want to talk 1836 01:35:00,480 --> 01:35:03,080 about a team that tried everything they tried Damien 1837 01:35:03,080 --> 01:35:06,600 Harris, who retired the literal oldest running back in the NFL, 1838 01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:09,120 Ty Johnson. I mean the the, the Bills tried 1839 01:35:09,120 --> 01:35:13,440 everything they could do to get James Cook off the field. 1840 01:35:14,120 --> 01:35:15,680 Yeah. And then I think the rest of 1841 01:35:15,680 --> 01:35:17,720 these guys, I agree Dave, this is a clear target. 1842 01:35:17,720 --> 01:35:21,760 I think the Shipley, Gorendo, Braylon, Allen, these are all 1843 01:35:21,760 --> 01:35:24,560 like camp battle situations to monitor. 1844 01:35:24,840 --> 01:35:28,840 I feel pretty iffy about like drafting them now because I 1845 01:35:28,840 --> 01:35:32,960 think Shipley could easily be, you know, RB four behind Boston 1846 01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:35,960 Scott, but he also could be the RB2 if he wins that role, right. 1847 01:35:35,960 --> 01:35:40,640 So for me these other guys, Gorendo, Braylon, Allen, sorry 1848 01:35:40,640 --> 01:35:43,720 Davis, I want to see the camp battle like pre season. 1849 01:35:43,720 --> 01:35:46,280 Braylon Allen might lose a camp battle to Isaiah Davis. 1850 01:35:46,280 --> 01:35:47,600 They. They drafted another or. 1851 01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:49,960 Is he a band of camp? I mean, Izzy looks. 1852 01:35:50,320 --> 01:35:52,720 Decent, so I'm not so worried about. 1853 01:35:52,720 --> 01:35:55,760 Both of your guys, brand equity just got wiped, wiped out so 1854 01:35:55,760 --> 01:35:58,400 much I know. I was taking so much Izzy. 1855 01:35:58,760 --> 01:36:00,280 Like they already got priests. They got Izzy. 1856 01:36:00,280 --> 01:36:01,680 They don't need to add a single one. 1857 01:36:03,280 --> 01:36:04,640 Back and then they jump and they added four more. 1858 01:36:05,640 --> 01:36:08,080 OK. Sam, Sam. 1859 01:36:08,080 --> 01:36:11,840 Unironically, I think. The guy who just like locked 1860 01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:14,560 himself in as a like a guy who could have a league winning 1861 01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:16,400 stretch on a day three running back. 1862 01:36:16,680 --> 01:36:21,280 I mean, it's Tyrone Tracy. If Tyrone Tracy is as efficient 1863 01:36:21,280 --> 01:36:25,560 as all his fake metrics say that he is, which they are all fake. 1864 01:36:26,360 --> 01:36:31,040 But I mean, I've seen people making the Bull case. 1865 01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:35,080 I've seen people make the David Johnson comp, and it's so good 1866 01:36:35,080 --> 01:36:39,200 because David Johnson came out on this awful, awful Cardinals 1867 01:36:39,200 --> 01:36:43,600 team and his first NFL touch was a kick return that he returned 1868 01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:46,040 or a punt return that he returned for a touchdown. 1869 01:36:46,360 --> 01:36:49,040 He this was, remember, this was late stage. 1870 01:36:49,200 --> 01:36:50,920 Chris Johnson that this is not good. 1871 01:36:50,920 --> 01:36:52,840 Chris Johnson This was like late stage. 1872 01:36:52,880 --> 01:36:55,600 Yeah, this is. The end this is the end, right. 1873 01:36:55,720 --> 01:36:58,520 So we have, we have I mean not that the Devon Singletary 1874 01:36:58,520 --> 01:37:02,200 experience was ever electric, but we're on contract 3 Devon 1875 01:37:02,200 --> 01:37:07,600 Singletary. I'm saying then it's it's it's 1876 01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:09,640 very decent. The offense, it's a great. 1877 01:37:09,640 --> 01:37:10,880 Landing spot for? Us. 1878 01:37:10,880 --> 01:37:15,400 It's a great landing spot, yeah. I would go there, I would think 1879 01:37:15,400 --> 01:37:18,680 number one or sorry bad. Do you have a point on Tracy? 1880 01:37:18,680 --> 01:37:20,160 I was. Well, I just, I think he's, he's 1881 01:37:20,160 --> 01:37:21,680 a kick returner, right? So he's going to be active on 1882 01:37:21,680 --> 01:37:24,920 game day for for that so. You know, you know who this LED 1883 01:37:24,920 --> 01:37:27,960 us to. I mean Roshan Johnson. 1884 01:37:28,360 --> 01:37:31,720 Pacheco oh. Yeah, that's right. 1885 01:37:32,320 --> 01:37:33,920 That's right. We're like, we're like, he got 1886 01:37:33,920 --> 01:37:35,960 drafted to be a kick returner. He's going to, he's going to be 1887 01:37:35,960 --> 01:37:39,920 active on game day. The guy I was gonna go with here 1888 01:37:39,920 --> 01:37:42,920 as the guy that I think is immediately draftable of this 1889 01:37:42,920 --> 01:37:45,560 round five, round six guys is Kamani Vidal. 1890 01:37:47,200 --> 01:37:49,200 I don't know. Anything about him and Lauby, 1891 01:37:49,240 --> 01:37:51,240 they're both, they're both draftable right away. 1892 01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:55,800 So I guess I'm more interested in Vidal, just 'cause I think, 1893 01:37:56,480 --> 01:37:58,480 yeah, you you could, you could say Lauby's very. 1894 01:37:58,480 --> 01:38:00,160 Draftable. Lauby's Extremely draftable. 1895 01:38:00,600 --> 01:38:05,440 Sam, this is the Raiders running back to depth chart behind Zamir 1896 01:38:05,440 --> 01:38:09,320 White fourth round, fourth round pick Zamir White, who by the way 1897 01:38:09,320 --> 01:38:13,360 has 32 receptions in the last five years of his organized 1898 01:38:13,360 --> 01:38:14,920 football career. Yeah, but he was productive in 1899 01:38:14,920 --> 01:38:17,000 college, right? Right. 1900 01:38:17,200 --> 01:38:23,840 Right Alexander Madison, Amir Abdullah and Britton Brown are 1901 01:38:23,920 --> 01:38:26,960 are are the are the competition for for lobby? 1902 01:38:28,160 --> 01:38:33,080 Yeah, but I mean, how much do we win when we win in O'connell's 1903 01:38:33,080 --> 01:38:35,800 scatback? I. 1904 01:38:36,280 --> 01:38:39,240 I mean if it's, if it's. Honest guys, come on. 1905 01:38:40,840 --> 01:38:43,560 Instead of the Chargers, the Chargers starting running back. 1906 01:38:45,000 --> 01:38:48,040 I mean, look, you're not wrong, but just let us have fun here on 1907 01:38:48,040 --> 01:38:50,920 the program. Sam, this guy is a huge 1908 01:38:50,920 --> 01:38:52,960 pickleball, bro. You gotta be with you all. 1909 01:38:56,520 --> 01:38:58,680 Right, I'm back in. All right, we gotta. 1910 01:39:00,040 --> 01:39:02,760 But Vidal, I mean, I, Pat, can you tell me anything about 1911 01:39:02,760 --> 01:39:05,120 Vidal's prospect profile? I was about to like do a pro 1912 01:39:05,120 --> 01:39:07,000 take on him and I literally. Don't know anything about him. 1913 01:39:07,000 --> 01:39:07,560 He's sick. I. 1914 01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:13,680 Don't know if I'd say he's sick. Let's say I know JJ likes him a 1915 01:39:13,680 --> 01:39:16,040 lot, so I I just trusted him. But. 1916 01:39:17,200 --> 01:39:22,440 He did not rate well in my in my stuff, I think because of 1917 01:39:22,440 --> 01:39:23,920 explosiveness concerns. You know what? 1918 01:39:23,920 --> 01:39:25,840 I got him confused with Isaiah Davis. 1919 01:39:25,960 --> 01:39:28,280 Isaiah Davis is the sick prospect, actually. 1920 01:39:29,160 --> 01:39:32,120 Vidal had, yeah, Isaiah Davis, I think is is more interesting. 1921 01:39:32,600 --> 01:39:37,280 Vidal had a 35% breakaway percentage and 0.81 years per 1922 01:39:37,280 --> 01:39:41,080 out run, which would point to explosiveness, red flags and 1923 01:39:41,080 --> 01:39:42,720 also a lack of receiving ability. 1924 01:39:42,720 --> 01:39:46,000 He did have 16.5 routes per game, so they got used a lot as 1925 01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:50,280 a receiver. He was a a decently, it was a 1926 01:39:50,280 --> 01:39:53,520 workhorse running back. He broke a lot of tackles both 1927 01:39:53,520 --> 01:39:57,720 per game and per touch. So it's it's kind of like what 1928 01:39:57,720 --> 01:40:00,840 the Chargers need like Josh Kelly. 1929 01:40:00,840 --> 01:40:04,640 But it works like you could. You could see him being that, 1930 01:40:05,240 --> 01:40:10,560 but I don't there have been. So many of these guys on the 1931 01:40:10,560 --> 01:40:12,760 Chargers. Josh Kelly. 1932 01:40:14,680 --> 01:40:18,080 Isaiah Spiller, Kayla. Larry Roundtree. 1933 01:40:18,480 --> 01:40:21,560 Larry Roundtree, The Third. I mean they just, if they take a 1934 01:40:21,560 --> 01:40:24,400 day three running back every year and they all stink. 1935 01:40:25,400 --> 01:40:27,360 Yeah, I mean it it feels a little bit like that, but 1936 01:40:27,360 --> 01:40:30,360 there's such. The depth charge is so bad in 1937 01:40:30,360 --> 01:40:31,960 front of him, yeah. Yeah, I think. 1938 01:40:32,080 --> 01:40:33,880 I couldn't take practice from Braylon Allen. 1939 01:40:34,080 --> 01:40:37,760 Is there a more Jim Harbaugh running back than Braylon Allen? 1940 01:40:38,040 --> 01:40:39,240 Come on. Dude, I mean, yeah, it's. 1941 01:40:39,240 --> 01:40:42,520 His name is Blake Coram. He played for the University of 1942 01:40:42,520 --> 01:40:46,360 Michigan. Why didn't they draft him? 1943 01:40:46,880 --> 01:40:50,680 Cruel twist of fate that he's going to, That he's going to Los 1944 01:40:50,680 --> 01:40:52,360 Angeles and not playing for the Chargers. 1945 01:40:52,360 --> 01:40:54,400 I know it. Really is Tyrone. 1946 01:40:54,400 --> 01:40:57,240 Tracy is like a real target for me, though, in these drafts. 1947 01:40:57,240 --> 01:40:59,680 Like I I'm like, actively trying to get him on these teams. 1948 01:41:00,360 --> 01:41:03,720 I like that. And yeah, just him being active 1949 01:41:03,720 --> 01:41:06,760 I think is is probably more important than than it might 1950 01:41:06,760 --> 01:41:09,440 seem like. But yeah, I mean Vidal is we 1951 01:41:09,440 --> 01:41:12,360 have way above ADP. He's someone. 1952 01:41:12,840 --> 01:41:16,520 It's like the odds of him being a total zero are high. 1953 01:41:17,680 --> 01:41:20,960 Tyrion Davis Price would be a a a comp here. 1954 01:41:21,120 --> 01:41:25,760 Like that's sort of I think what we're doing right and it's 1955 01:41:25,800 --> 01:41:27,920 probably going to work out just as well. 1956 01:41:28,360 --> 01:41:30,720 But there's there's such opportunity. 1957 01:41:30,720 --> 01:41:33,440 There's a reason we took Tyrion Davis Price because there's a 1958 01:41:33,440 --> 01:41:36,400 lot of opportunity in that backfield and I don't think it's 1959 01:41:36,400 --> 01:41:39,800 wrong to to chase that here. I mean, can it really be Gus 1960 01:41:39,800 --> 01:41:41,600 Edwards and JK Dobbins all season? 1961 01:41:41,600 --> 01:41:44,520 Like I I think it's worth at least, you know, making the 1962 01:41:44,520 --> 01:41:47,320 play. Yeah, I think both the Chargers 1963 01:41:47,320 --> 01:41:50,040 and the Cowboys are one where we're going to have to be 1964 01:41:50,040 --> 01:41:52,440 grounding this beat all offseason to figure out who the 1965 01:41:52,440 --> 01:41:54,640 starter is. I I honestly wouldn't even rule 1966 01:41:54,640 --> 01:41:57,240 out like, I think some new cut candidates emerged after the 1967 01:41:57,240 --> 01:41:59,600 draft. I think Jeff Wilson with Jalen 1968 01:42:00,360 --> 01:42:04,480 Ryan there could get caught. Semaj P Rein with the estimate 1969 01:42:04,480 --> 01:42:06,240 getting drafted there he's an easy cut. 1970 01:42:07,880 --> 01:42:10,000 One of those guys could be in the mix and one of those two 1971 01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:12,800 teams too. So that's something we'll just 1972 01:42:12,800 --> 01:42:16,160 have to to monitor. OK. 1973 01:42:16,160 --> 01:42:20,240 We're going to close out with our favorite segment last year. 1974 01:42:20,240 --> 01:42:24,120 I think I famously won this pretty easily over Pat and 1975 01:42:24,120 --> 01:42:27,640 Davis. Let's make a Let's make a rule, 1976 01:42:27,640 --> 01:42:31,200 though, right now. We can't pick anyone right now 1977 01:42:31,200 --> 01:42:34,160 who straight up did not have an ADP like a week ago. 1978 01:42:34,160 --> 01:42:35,840 Or. Or was like like you can't, like 1979 01:42:35,840 --> 01:42:39,480 you can't take Tyrone Tracy. You have to take. 1980 01:42:39,520 --> 01:42:41,720 A What you have to you have to take a real pick. 1981 01:42:41,720 --> 01:42:44,800 Should we do non Rookie Edition because all of us are gonna pick 1982 01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:46,760 rookies? Yes, that. 1983 01:42:46,760 --> 01:42:49,520 You know what, it's actually a much tougher exercise to not 1984 01:42:49,720 --> 01:42:51,400 take rookies. So yes, let's do that. 1985 01:42:52,200 --> 01:42:55,160 All right, I I got one. I think actually why I lost last 1986 01:42:55,160 --> 01:42:57,200 year is 'cause I always let you guys go first, taking the 1987 01:42:57,200 --> 01:42:59,000 obvious easy pick. So I'm gonna just. 1988 01:42:59,840 --> 01:43:02,440 Totally. Step right up and go first here. 1989 01:43:02,960 --> 01:43:05,680 This is an ETR special. A Mike Leoni special. 1990 01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:11,480 Josh Palmer, an ADP of 134 man ETR has him ranked I think at 1991 01:43:11,480 --> 01:43:15,040 like 95, right? Now that's the way to win the 1992 01:43:15,040 --> 01:43:18,800 game is look at where Leone has the Deltas between ADP and Rank 1993 01:43:18,800 --> 01:43:21,120 and you're like, great, all the auto drafters are feeding right 1994 01:43:21,120 --> 01:43:24,080 in my hands. Yeah, but on a more serious 1995 01:43:24,080 --> 01:43:26,840 note, I do think Palmer like he has something to him. 1996 01:43:27,200 --> 01:43:30,040 I didn't prepare this, but he was pretty good last year. 1997 01:43:30,040 --> 01:43:32,800 Like, easily. Better than Quentin Johnson. 1998 01:43:34,760 --> 01:43:37,960 Don't debase yourself by arguing for Josh Palmer. 1999 01:43:37,960 --> 01:43:40,360 I mean, honestly, like you. Yes, you're gonna get your 2000 01:43:40,360 --> 01:43:43,240 points. But just like, come on, come on. 2001 01:43:44,840 --> 01:43:48,760 All right, Can I go? All right, guys, this was easy. 2002 01:43:48,760 --> 01:43:50,680 It's Zeke Elliott. It's Zeke Elliott. 2003 01:43:51,480 --> 01:43:53,080 For all the fucking money. Good luck. 2004 01:43:53,080 --> 01:43:54,120 Game's over. I win. 2005 01:43:54,120 --> 01:43:55,400 Producer. Producer. 2006 01:43:55,560 --> 01:43:57,880 Note that Pat is cheating, but fine, I mean. 2007 01:43:58,560 --> 01:44:01,880 It's just I I don't know how he's possibly going to catch me 2008 01:44:01,880 --> 01:44:03,920 now because I've got Zeke Elliott. 2009 01:44:04,280 --> 01:44:07,720 ADP outside of top 200 did have an ADP was getting drafted. 2010 01:44:08,400 --> 01:44:09,720 Cheating. Yeah, now that's cheating. 2011 01:44:09,920 --> 01:44:12,520 It's not cheating, it's. Fine, it's fine. 2012 01:44:12,520 --> 01:44:15,080 I mean, you've always done this you, you play the game kind of 2013 01:44:15,080 --> 01:44:16,600 the easy, the cheap way, you know? 2014 01:44:17,600 --> 01:44:19,080 I win the game. He did. 2015 01:44:19,160 --> 01:44:21,560 He did do this. He did do this multiple times 2016 01:44:21,600 --> 01:44:23,680 last year, yeah. Yeah, he takes a break. 2017 01:44:23,680 --> 01:44:25,520 That's fine. I mean, obviously I would have 2018 01:44:25,520 --> 01:44:26,720 said Zeke. If I, you know. 2019 01:44:27,240 --> 01:44:29,240 Had thought of it. I will. 2020 01:44:30,600 --> 01:44:34,640 So I'll give the people. I'll give the people A a real 2021 01:44:34,640 --> 01:44:37,640 example that actually will help them draft teams. 2022 01:44:38,040 --> 01:44:44,360 Justin Herbert, quarterback 15. Right now, once people start 2023 01:44:44,800 --> 01:44:47,440 getting horny for Ladd, they're just going to, they're going to 2024 01:44:47,440 --> 01:44:51,800 start reaching on Herbert. And also this collective idea 2025 01:44:51,880 --> 01:44:53,800 that the Chargers are going to run. 2026 01:44:54,120 --> 01:44:57,280 You know, the wing T Yeah, they're going to run the ball a 2027 01:44:57,280 --> 01:44:58,680 ton. But he's still Justin Herbert. 2028 01:44:58,680 --> 01:45:00,400 He he's going to end up going ahead. 2029 01:45:00,760 --> 01:45:06,240 A minimum golf, but probably probably Caleb. 2030 01:45:06,240 --> 01:45:08,000 Maybe he might get up to quarterback 10. 2031 01:45:08,520 --> 01:45:10,400 I could see it, but he's definitely going to rise. 2032 01:45:12,440 --> 01:45:14,440 Thanks for saving Rico Dowdle for me for next week. 2033 01:45:14,840 --> 01:45:16,360 Oh. My God, going first. 2034 01:45:16,800 --> 01:45:21,720 I'm going first. So useful all. 2035 01:45:22,840 --> 01:45:24,920 Right. Well, we'll be back next week. 2036 01:45:25,240 --> 01:45:27,520 Announced it on Twitter. But this will be a regular time 2037 01:45:27,520 --> 01:45:31,960 going forward, 3:30 PM Eastern on Mondays. 2038 01:45:33,160 --> 01:45:35,760 And yeah, that's all I have. 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