Ladies and gentlemen we are back.
This is now the sixth show in. I don't know what Ted day, so I
feel like we're coming off of a whirlwind.
Last week was a blur. It was a bit of a blur Friday.
It was Is very, very tired and I like kind of knew why?
But at the same time it's also like it was such a blur that I
couldn't even 100% know, why do remember it?
Yeah, Gretch. Did you get to enjoy relaxing
and watching football after five days in the content Minds?
Yeah, I mean, I feel like I'm still hungover from Friday, but
yeah. It's last week was a lot of fun.
I'm hungover from the weekend of football, to be honest, right?
I am that's what I'm hungover from.
I actually miss my recording time with Sean for stealing,
bananas for Tuesday. So our episode that would have
came out. Today is coming out tomorrow
because I just like, completely missed the tie.
I checked out after the weekend for a couple days.
I was telling more made me question.
I question whether or not, I like football anymore.
That was a rough one. That was maybe the carthy that
was on a different level. You know, when you sometimes
watch games and yeah, we have players that we want to get the
ball and, you know, we get greedy, we want them to get 30
touches. Instead of 25, that was a game
where literally every decision. The Cowboys made was just
maddening and frustrating. It was like, you couldn't even
comprehend how they thought. It was a good idea so much of
that stuff. Like I'm convinced that someone
on like Monday showed Mike McCarthy that play where they do
a fake punt. Get it and then leave the team
out and he was like, that's so cool.
We're going to get them to burn a timeout when we're ahead.
It's gonna be awesome and then he's just like I'm doing it.
No matter what, like he just refused not to do it.
It was way too cool not to do and he did it even though the
upside was them burning a timeout.
When the game situation was actually your way behind and
don't care if they have time out.
And can't run time off the clock.
He burns a shitload of time. Off the clock, doesn't get the
team to call it. The, the foreigners call, time
out and gets a delay of game penalty out of.
It was one of the, like, the most, like guy doesn't know
where he is plays. I've ever seen in the NFL, like,
truly a Coast lost coach, just the coach was completely lost in
it. Also, I mean, in any other
scenario, we got the Jimmy G meltdown that we all expected
was getting. I'm we called it too and I'll
chat. We're like your gums and it
happens like 1q, but the Cowboys were so staggeringly bad that
they couldn't even take advantage of the Jimmy G melt
when it wasn't, it wasn't just Jimmy G.
It was Shanahan to, I mean, the the fourth and one pot with
about five minutes laughter, where they intentionally took
the delay game and then punted Edge, Sports tweeted, was a 17%
pre-snap when probability decision to not go for that.
I mean, you're up six points and you're around Midfield, and
you're planning for the Like 30 yards of field position as
opposed to if you convert this your, now if you'll go range,
you're going to make it nine points.
You're going to win the game here by being able to kick
another field goal, and you're not going to go for it on fourth
and one, and you're going to give the opposing team, such a
clear path with five minutes left to potentially drive down.
Scored the game winner, which they frankly could have that,
you know, doc had the throw back on the run to Cedric Wilson
where you kind of stumble here to adjust with the ball in the
air, kind of a tough play. But the Cowboys, you know, that
was fourth down. They wind up.
Not Then they had the one additional drive after that, but
Cowboys had a shop there and they never should have had a
shot. I mean the Niners crushed them
in the first half but they sell for all those field goals and
all that stuff was like 16 to 7 and a half when it should have
been like 6:32 or something and then the Jimmy G pick it.
I mean at that point it was 13 points or whatever in your in
the fourth quarter and you throw a pick in your own territory,
you give up a short field touchdown now, it's six points
with with you know, seven minutes left.
Just a bunch of Track traction, both sides.
That was a bad so bad, it really.
Was it Nick? Pat did said, I got to see this
how the sauce? I've got man, I thought the
draft form and was already loving this.
Yeah, I was covering that game. So that was me.
Oh my goodness. So good.
Yeah. How many was it painful?
Writing blurbs for that gift? No, that one was fun.
I'm having us fact that Prescott slides into the offseason was
But I got to see people just feel like like there was a lot
of good reactions so that one was sort of cathartic but
there's also cathartic Daigle and wrote a Pat.
And I did a podcast after that night and day Lloyd called it
all week and I had like I in the walkthrough I talked about how
Dallas could push the 49ers off of their preferred script.
Their preferred script was obviously exactly what happened
but I thought the Dallas might be smart enough to kind of push
them away from that kind of Like the bills, just like blew the
Patriots off their preferred scripts, like great running us.
All you want. Now that we're up where I up on
you Dallas. Is fast-paced, etc, etc.
So I had read it like, hey Dallas has a chance here and
daigle's, like a long-suffering Cowboys fan, so he knew what
was, what was coming. So he had called it and so on
that pod, me and a goal or just ripping into McCarthy, it was
very fun, so good. Um, Corey actually asks, a
pretty interesting question. You know, sentiment on CD lamb
pretty low right now. I guess the question is, how
much Each is of, that is on CD lab.
How much of that is on the offense?
But Corey, a swaddle or CD next year.
I think they're atp's. We'll both be early third next
year. That ATP sounds about, right.
But do you guys have a dog in this race?
Garden. I was going to say I think it's
a good question. It would be closed.
I did talk about lamb a little bit with Sean when we recorded
today for bananas, and I was looking up some numbers.
I mean, he's got a lot of people are down on him for dying to see
a lot of those types of things. I think that's true.
Like you shouldn't be. He was at, like wide receiver,
30 and people have sort of bashed him over this week and I
was down to like, why don't you were five and dying to see and I
don't know in what Over the market sentiment is.
And that's, I mean, that's probably fair, you shouldn't be
that high. But the same time he's still has
plenty of paths to being productive.
One of the really interesting things that I noticed today was
looking through his routes again, when Gallop was out
through week, eight week to, through week, 8 lamb had at
least 90% route rates every single game from week, nine
until week, 17 and turn off week 18, here, he only hit 90 percent
twice. It was at in the 60s, a couple
of times, he was at 70, This is the same thing.
We saw in his rookie season where like they were so caught
up with gallop and Cooper being sort of these outside receivers
that Lambs the one that for some reason a third or a quarter of
the Dropbox you don't have him in a row.
He's your first round receiver as a rookie and we thought that
would change this year and it did in the early part of the
season and he was actually pretty darn good in the other
part of the Season he winds up not like I think it's his season
average route percentages in the low 80s and It's like, you don't
see good receivers there. I mean, that's just very weird
and that's not really on him. What we saw in the playoff game
was him on the outside and everyone was, you know, I love
Tina had a great tweet where it's actually only have like
three or four snaps or something in the slot that was ridiculous
usage. But if you the reason I'm
emphasizing the routes is there's ways you can see Lamb
still have a good third year which would be one his he could
finally play a season where he actually runs like 90% route
shares all a year which is not uncommon for a Like him at.
You should be already doing that to his Target, Sprout runs way
to Target Sprout, run that element where he's drawing.
Volume is fine. That's the 23% targets per
outrun. This year again, I don't have
week 18 in there and unlike .58 waited targets per hour and I
think it wasn't as looking at it, which is like right in your
mark chases level T, Higgins level Chase was like the really
efficient version of that type of volume.
In terms of per route. Volume lamb doesn't quite have
the total overall volume because the routes weren't all the way
there. And and then his efficiency
after and targets was fine to over nine yards per Target it.
Like he literally like, you can see the pathway like next year,
okay? He takes a little bit more of a
step for with the Turkish Parliament were also good as a
rookie. He finally runs a full set of
routes like it's just so weird and you know the efficiency has
actually been pretty solid for the most part.
Obviously, it wasn't in the playoff game but yeah, people
are down on him. I think they're down on himself
or sort of the wrong reasons because nothing really stands
out as being Super bad in his profile.
You can look at like market share and stuff and that looks
pretty bad. But like again, that's a
combination of them. Not running him on enough routes
and his targets for outrun, not being like truly Elite.
But it's still like, it's it's like a one run down.
It's still very, very good. And so, I don't think he's bad
or anything, you know. Yeah, I think I think it's good.
You know, I think I think what we was, it seems like they were
playing a little bit out of position to close the season.
And Troy Aikman just like went on this like total Terror about
how you know, they were clearly like he was he was a one-on-one
coverage. They like they should have been
targeting him based on, you know, they basically Troy Aikman
thinks I should have been targeting a ton and they weren't
so that's annoying. But when you look at what he did
so far in his career, 1.81 yards per hour on is a rookie that's
better than what model did this year, by the way.
Why do I had one point seven five, which is good but lamb was
better as a rookie and then lamb jumped up a Including the
playoff game to one point nine four yards per hour on.
So he was at at points above two yards per hour on which is an
awesome sign for second-year player.
He's dropped down below that, but I still think his season
overall was an improvement on his rookie year.
He's going to have Michael gasps, a free agent, Cedric
Wilson by the ways of free agent.
He's got a path to being the number one.
Target in an offense that were way more excited about than the
Dolphins. He was better Prospect and
waddle. While had a worse rookie year
than lamb, I think water would do well, to kind of become this
year's version of lamb. Like a lot of guys don't follow
up with a second season as good as Lambs like Brandon.
My uke actually had a very very similar yards per hour on to
Waddle as as a rookie. So I think you know you got to
think about the upside and the downside of what the players
ultimately be going to become. And I think we're pretty
confident that lamb is good. It just not in my nose.
Be perfect and I think I'm gonna guess is there anyone?
Who would say if waddle and lamb switch teams this year that CD
would not have had a very similar season to Waddle on that
kind of volume. Yeah, I think you would have And
I mean, I don't know it and I and to flip it, I don't know if
wattles season on the Cowboys. Production-wise would have been
that different from from Lambs. Yeah.
I was just so I was trying to look something up, but this is,
you know, go back to the Pats work, in the offseason on rookie
receivers, not typically running massive amounts of routes, this
kind of emphasizes the lamb thing. you know waddle was, I
don't know what their average drop, drop box per game, wherein
both offenses, but we think of Miami as being not as much of a
pass offense waddle averaged about three more routes per game
than lamp just raw routes, not like percentages here and more
routes this year, which is Weird doesn't make a lot of sense when
he's the rookie coming in and lamb is in his second year and
Gallop was hurt for most of the year.
And I think he was very clearly their best receiver.
I mean, I know like he wasn't amazing but like Gallup wasn't
great and I'm re wasn't great, like blameless should have been
like they're number one, like they did mess this up big time,
though. The big you talk about the
Aikman quote. I mean, I think the big thing
that I saw from the film guys this week that I really thought
was interesting, was how far off On the outside corners were
playing on San Fran and how Dallas is outside routes, were
basically just running into that coverage running, 10 yards, and
then making a break into your route.
And there's this idea of like, you know, when play callers are
calling place to think, players not plays think, I'm going to
get the ball and see limbs hands.
Why are you not just throwing him some bubble screens and
letting him, you know, get a 5-yard gain on First and Ten Or
potentially break a tackle if they're going to play 10 yards
off instead of just running into that coverage and that was sort
of a sequence Point run some comebacks, run some quick outs
runs Some Slants and just throw the ball to lamb, like, why are
you not just, like, going out of your way to do?
That is pretty ridiculous in this game.
The other thing because I don't want to, I mean, I'm totally
with you on using the Troy Aikman point to defend lamp, but
it does make me uncomfortable, as Anthony points.
Out in the chat, we probably don't want to be relying too
much on Troy Aikman, in our defense here of a dynasty
player, but the fact that lamb had a 21 percent Target rate
this year. You're talking about, he had a
good Target rate and I to me it's like, with these prospects
Is it come in like it's kind of like this is why I think we're
all still very high on DJ more and kind of continue to be high
on DJ more in Stefon Diggs before him.
It's like when the guy comes in, he's sort of checking the boxes
along. The way lamb has done that.
He had a strong rookie year as a very strong Prospect, he had a
strong second year at 21 percent.
Target rate is a sophomore with the 1.9 four yards per outrun
and then answering her third season.
Looking like you're going to be at worst the number to Target on
your team with good quarterback, clay and potential.
The number one guy. Like a clear.
Number one, guy, that's a pretty sweet spot for a third-year wide
receiver saw to me, it's sort of state, of course, with lamb it's
like a bad taste left in our mouths.
But unfortunately, that's the way a lot of the stuff went with
Kyler with DAC, with hurts, you know, kind of a bad way to go
out for a lot of these young, you know, exciting players.
But I don't know. I mean, to me it's like, I
didn't really see enough to get off of lamb.
I mean, he still finished with a better yards per out Ron then
Stefon Diggs you He still finished with a very, very
strong season overall, just kind of like it's worse weeks.
We're sort of towards the end, I guess I would be concerned if
they don't plan to use them in the slot at all next year.
I mean, that part was confounding.
You got an inside outside type of guy and they just gave Cedric
Wilson. All the slot work didn't let him
kind of, you know, mix in and out of the slot, which is how
you would deploy. Number one weapon.
So there's definitely concerned some concerning stuff.
I wouldn't say like Lambs as much of a slam dunk because I
felt like he was a few Weeks ago but I'm still more or less as in
as I was. Yeah.
But we're talking a lot about Liam.
I think the I want to be in a wall too.
I mean yeah. Yeah basis and then like almost
had it. 250 PPR season as a rookie like yeah he had a really
good year fat guy in here to 100%.
I would say that the the a DOT stuff makes me a little bit
concerned about waddle versus lamb.
Like I feel like lamb has a little bit more upside if he
hits his profile. Except the target.
It's interesting though. Because when she say coming into
the year, the thing with waddle and you know, maybe you
highlight him in comparison to rugs as as a prospect or just
being like the Speedy guys who hey, manufacture Touches for
them, get the ball in their heads and then with the
dolphins, do they fucking got the ball?
Yeah, it'll say ads. They just did it in a way, where
they relied on him, to be the engine of the offense.
And so then the efficiency wasn't quite there as far as the
big place. Well, I also think, you know, In
a this is a positive for waddle. Sometimes with that type of
player you're like, well, volume, you know, he's going to
be kind of like a field stretcher.
He's not necessarily going to be as good for PPR and it's exactly
the opposite. He's incredible for PPR.
And now we're worried about, you know, are the big plays going to
be there because we're using them.
So shallowly I think you're out with waddle to become like where
he's like the guy you had to drop next year is the Dolphins.
Get their offensive line sorted because 2 is 8 out as so.
Whoa and obviously Waddles a DOT solo.
So he kind of becomes this like Jarvis Landry with Breakaway
speed which isn't a bad combination you know, to Ben's
point. I want to be in on a but if they
can actually protect to a little bit better in the which they
weren't doing, they had terrible pass blocking is worst in the
league. Then you, then you start to
think like all right now, this guys, getting underneath targets
and deep targets, and he's the clear number one option.
And that's when he could just be a massive hit.
Yeah that makes sense. Yeah, another question.
I mean this is what happens to us.
I feel like because we're going to be teed up for an entire
summer of prospect conversations, like this
project, a year, two wide receivers.
I do want to get into some of the the drafts tonight.
But what do you guys think the deal is with with Rondell after
this first season? One day.
I was a little bit less exciting for me.
Very, very good Prospect. But, you know, just the the lack
of involvement in like spots where you would have expected
him to really shine is I think like a legitimate red flag.
It was he was like, they never like Cliffs, not going anywhere.
And there were multiple times where like you would have
expected Rondell to take a big step forward in his usage and
instead they had answer Wesley getting on the field and I make
sense to some extent while they're doing that.
Like I think the reason they were doing that was to keep
Cristian Kirk in the slot because Christian Kirk's better
in the slot than on the outside and they felt like having Chris
Kirk on the slap was more important than getting Rondo
more on the field but it's still not ideal that they're playing
Antoine was Alia functionally had of Rondell more for like the
whole season but here it was decently efficient.
One point 65 yards per hour on which isn't bad?
I'm not out on him but it. I think it's a red flag.
Cristian Kirk is another free, he's a free agent.
That's true. If that would be a big deal if
he walks Waddles in the long run tails in the slot role and I
mean, I think you kind of have to expect that they will let him
go. I mean it's not like he was that
great this year but he's probably been good enough to
earn some interest in free agency from teams that are
trying to add to their receiver depth.
Right. I mean, he got a pretty solid,
it's pretty solid, pretty close. yours are better gets you know
it looks like in a ten million dollar a year range for probably
a shorter-term deal but I just I don't think they would bring him
back, maybe they will but I think he would wind up getting a
better offers from other teams than Arizona would want to give
him the sort of my my read on that.
And so if that happens rondell's in position to actually play
which would be nice. Yeah like me it felt to there
were so many parallels to going and watching the Cardinals after
watching the Cowboys to where it was just like I mean some of
those throws Kyler was making it was just the team just seemed so
broken and it It is crazy, how I think we kept all want.
I think I saw Tuttle and I don't know if it was one of you guys
talking about it, we're just like we've wanted this team to
get back to their early season form and I don't know how have
we discovered what changed for them early on because it's just
been lightened a from their first few weeks.
My taking stealing signals at one point.
Was that there are sort of the victims of their own success
which was to say that they were very efficient.
Early Cuyler was playing really good football and as a result
agent green was really productive.
Cristian. Kirk was off to a really, really
fast start and I think they sort of learned the wrong lessons
there, which was in, I mean DeAndre Hopkins takes a lot of
the coverage away and those guys are able to win in single
coverage. Those types of things that's
very helpful than that's gone and then you're in a tough spot.
But basically, I don't, I think they should have been trying to
develop or on do more and actually trying to get
Playmakers with the receiver position.
Essentially, I don't think he agrees that guy that makes
plays. I think he's a guy that was, you
know, sort of benefiting from plays coming to him for a lot of
this year. He was good and like he was
statistically very good. He was a lot worse, sort of down
the stretch than he had been in the, in the first few months in
the same is true of Kirk. But they basically were like
these Either our receivers. This is our team because they
got that like, it's almost like what we get in fantasy.
Where you get the Primacy bias, you get the first few months of
the year going. So well this receiving course
great. I mean every week they're
popping and you're like this is our team like and then when it's
not working, you're not evolving in your like it's going to come
back. It's going to come back, look
how great it was early in the year.
And especially again, like I said, when Hopkins goes out I
mean, he's probably a big reason why those guys were having such
a good start to the year. I do think Kirk is good.
I'm not trying to like talk down Kirk too much but especially
Green going and making the trade for Earth's like late in the
year. What are you doing?
Your you're running around with AJ Green.
Antoine Wesley, Zach ertz. The two of them are in.
Wheelchairs, one isn't even an NFL player and Cristian Kirk is
like, you're clearly your best receiver.
Those are your four guys that you're sending out and downfield
routes? I mean Kirk's a good number
three, and maybe idea. Maybe I'd never be a number two.
Yeah, I thought he played well this year, I thought he kind of
showed that he could be a legit number two on a team, but to be
honest, Their question here about DeAndre Hopkins like I
think DeAndre Hopkins like impressed me more when he was
not out there than when he was out there because you saw okay
he was he was taking like he he was drawing down field plush
pressure clearly because once he wasn't there, it really hurt the
offense and the first week that he wasn't out.
There was Maurice worst week. I do think that Marie.
I don't know. I don't know why but there is
Clear because he had an ankle injury so I do.
I'm not sure why it seemed to have such a big effect but his
accuracy was never the same after the injury he was playing
he just never got back to the same level play post injury so
he actually had one really solid week in week 17.
I've had all week 18 screws me up.
Yeah, it was week 17 and then week 18, he didn't play well,
his accuracy was decent. And then we all saw what
happened in the playoffs. So he basically had one really
nice week. So post-injury, I would think
that maybe there's a chance that like a fully healthy Kyler comes
out of the gates. A lot, a lot better especially
if Hopkins is back, which you can see will be.
Yeah. Yeah, I mean he was we joked
about the horizontal raid even you know, last year, but it was
just like, every single Reed was, you know, five to ten yard
pass to DeAndre Hopkins. And it does seem like that was
fundamental to their offense at least for kick-starting things
and opening up. The bigger plays what you talked
about the you know the concept of the rate is like the spread,
right? And they'll I think the thing
that we see from the best offenses now is that you don't
you can't just have like one good receiver or two good
receivers you need that third. Fourth weapon teams are
spreading out more. They're throwing more there and
especially now that the defense is have shifted more to like
allowing the run, you know, the two deep shell Boogeyman from
this year. There's a lot more emphasis on
defensively on. Really stopping the pass.
I think that depth at receiver becomes so much more important
that third, fourth receiving weapon.
You look at like the Cowboys, right?
I mean, they struggled in the playoffs here, but like they are
deep down to like their fourth weapon.
It's like, don't Schultz. Looks like a legitimately good
young tight end the Bangles. Another one.
Like when you have Tyler Boyd is the guy that's getting forgotten
about that. You can go to, or even like, use
AMA has, you know, was he's probably a beneficiary of the
other guys, but like your top two guys are so good and, and It
is also a really good. Number three frankly.
I think he's almost actually like just makes me more
impressed with the top three guys.
Yeah when he comes off probably the case but you want that
depth, you want three, four weapons deep, I think at
receiver and tight end and downfield weapons and then you
go back to the Cardinals. And again, Cristian Kirk is your
number one and then you have like AJ Green is your number two
best weapon like that. That's where the problem was.
When DeAndre Hopkins was yours. One and Kirk was your to and
green in Earth's are like your three and four can kind of play.
But when you're trying to beat like complex coverages and you
don't have anyone that can win. Like that's, that's a real
challenge, right? Well, I would all say to Peach
Point about the, you know, the horizontal rate stuff, like,
they were using Hopkins differently this year than his
first year in the offense first year in the offense yet at eight
out of nine point zero which is the lowest of his entire career,
he had never been below. 10.8 before.
And he previously before that season, never had an a DOT
below. 12, he'd been a downfield wide receivers entire career.
Kliff Kingsbury uses them on a bunch of like, little out routes
and stuff, but then this year, he did have an eight out of
Thirteen point one. So he's back to that downfield
usage. And I think that's partly why he
fell off in terms of the fantasy goodness.
He is an 18 percent Target rate which is pretty solid but not
like amazing as yards per hour on Fell way down to 1.76 from
to, .25 the year before. So like, you'd rather from a
fantasy perspective, have him just getting all of those
targets and he's still good enough to do something with
them. But I think from like a real
life perspective because actually adding more to the to
the Cardinals offense, then he was in 2020.
In a sense, I mean, maybe in 2020 that because he was all
that they had, they could have lost him but but I think that
downfield element that he was bringing, which is what he does
best. They really miss that when I was
out of the offense, Yeah, that makes sense.
Um, all right guys, can I interest you?
I listened to Leone, he didn't establish the edge podcast and
he was starting to talk through strategy for the round 2, FF PC
playoff contest and I told myself, no, you're not gonna do
it. And then he started talking
about it was like, I kind of want to build a line up the.
All right, let's do it. It is a little different because
they've paired down the roster sizes and it was no kicker and
defense, right? We don't have to And it seems.
Yeah, exactly, yeah. So we do get to remove soft
Fades from our lexicon at this point.
I guess. So we haven't played this one
nearly as my it was funny because we get so into the other
one. But then I think like there's
kind of a hangover where, you know, we watching them.
We don't really even think about the second one, but because you
don't have teams to fade and because you don't have kicker
and defense, you're basically just picking every team to
advance like everybody else. So I would imagine When you want
to get a little bit more off the board.
Yeah for sure and I think we you know we talk about the recency
bias heading into round one I think you even ratchet that up.
I mean, what we saw last week that's how people are going to
play it, you know. And then you can go through a
few teams like teams like the bills.
You know, I still think people will probably split right
between Allen and Singletary, you know with the Chiefs people
probably going to split between Mahomes and Kelsey but Like the
guys who crushed and round 1 people are going to let that
ride and then so there is the idea of buying low on guys and
then there's also the what's the new reality is Jerick McKinnon
the Bell cow back for a team that could go to the Super Bowl
and people aren't going to buy what they saw round one.
So I to me those are kind of where the edges are.
Yep. No, I think that that makes a
ton of sense. This question is completely
accurate from Evan. What are we doing in London news
dropped? I can only assume it was cast.
It was probably, we got, it was absolutely, I was here, I was
because we're kind of waiting around and I thought, like, when
he's going and Murphy's sitting here crying and I was like, I
gotta walk this dog. So yeah.
You gotta tell this story, I let him know.
Like, all right, I'm gonna go walk the dog, but I was like,
I've just kind of doing laps around the apartment.
And I went, there's like a local coffee shop.
Went got coffee, and as I've paid for the quickest works.you,
pay for the cover. Then you sit there and wait,
it's outside, and I'm just standing outside and I get a
message, Hassan messages Lenny's out.
This is like confirmed and and that I think Peter, someone else
shouted, it starts all a blur. And I almost started running
before I even had my coffee, and I need my coffee.
So, I went back, grabbed it? And then I start booking it and
Murphy my dogs like convinced that we're The birds, like, he
thinks he's like, finally, this guy gets it.
We chase the birds. Let's go.
So, he's just like charting after every bird is I've got a
coffee. My hand trying to keep hold of
him and I'm just like, running back to my got back.
Got all the fucking week, you know, which line of stood take
you guys are all taking. A lot of us, were all all over
the place but we we did it. We got all the money out.
We put in some quiche on Vaughn, not a ton.
We scaled way back made a bunch of swaps to Gronk at Evans
ultimately, I think it went pretty well.
Yeah. Yeah, the Leone talked about it
a little bit on his pod but like the Von run out was super rough.
He comes in sub 1 percent in the contest, has 14 points at half
and then doesn't score any more points in a blowout game.
Script for the box where they were down there starting running
back. Like how does that run out
happen? Yeah, because we have I think we
ended up with like 10 or 12 percent Vlad we left a decent
amount in which I think put us even or overweight the feel way
over. Way it was it was Point .04 set,
0.04 percent. I thought you said 14 percent
which is also no yeah. Point over there.
I thought wow, we are four point overweight the FIFA 47.
Yeah. All right, yeah.
We what, what did you guys because there was a debate I saw
in the ship chasing Discord right after that.
I guess the more interesting question to me, of the Leonard
fournette teams. How many of those do you think
we're intentional, like gal brain, if they make it to the
Super Bowl, he comes back? Yada yada verse.
I forgot to update my lineup after lock 99% where I forgot to
update. Yeah, I think a lot more were
forgetting to update for sure and then figure out what it,
whatever James Conner and K makers percentages were those
that's like, though those are the gal brain plays, you know
what I mean? Or like, the, like, I'm willing
to risk, I'm willing to risk the injury stuff plays well, so it
wasn't really played, but Connor was 7%, I think, and for net was
nine percent. So that's not.
Well, at least at least two percent of for net was was About
but I think probably I think it's flipped I think is at least
seven percent of forgotten about maybe two percent people were
like. Yeah, we're going to the second
round. That's where I'm at because it
is a tough. It's a very tough play because
not only does he have to come back for the sick around which
still isn't a guarantee, but he also has to ultimately outscore.
Not just keeps on Vaughn and now Gio Bernard but every other buck
and then you're then, there's running backs we could
outscoring. So it's just like, it's a very
thin path where even Connors you're like, well, my bet is he
Plays and he's highest scoring player in a loss.
Like Connor one's easier. See these guys like I mean he
has to be that Evans he does. But at the same time, you know,
as we talk about all that sweet, the running back field was
really weak and the running. A scoring is a lot lower than
the receiver is going. So it doesn't actually have to
beat him in raw points out. All he has to get to where he's
one of the valuable running backs, the running backs going
was even worse than I think we sort of expected.
I mean I definitely think the winners going to be at to write
about team. We do have a ton of those so
that's great. I do think it's different just
the riskier you know the Acres play at least makes some sense
to me. You could tell that story that
he's getting his job back and you knew he was going to play
this week whereas with fournette not only do you know for a fact
you're taking a zero from him in round 1 his teammate it's not
like a bi-week situation, either his teammates are distancing
themselves from and on top of that there's no guarantee he
plays next week. I thought the fact that he
wasn't activated was actually pretty bearish for kind of Where
his overall health was at. So, to me, for net would have
been a pretty big ball. I would have wanted, like, I
don't know, a hundred plus lineups if I was going to
sprinkle in a lennier to it, Willis is.
Liam, left some 49 times. I'd be curious what percentage,
because my guess is, it be pretty low percentage?
But yeah, yeah, it wasn't crazy, but I think a lot of the nine
percent has to be just people who forgot, Yes, it happened.
So late. That's the other thing.
Like we were scrambling to get him out of our lives.
Like it was, if you had didn't happen to be near a computer at
that point. So who who do you guys think is
the play at quarterback? And we can just do some rough
back of the napkin ownership projections on the Fly here.
I got to think overwhelming Mahomes and Alan.
Yeah like 80% probably so I think there's a couple ways to
play you play one of them and you play a lot of Leverage plays
like Pat was saying really over leveraged everything else or you
play. Essentially I guess you probably
playing my home's to win because even Alan and to Games could get
their homes to win but then lose in the conference Championship
and it needing to be a Super Bowl QB with both of those teams
not getting there, which is kind of a tough one to see because
one of them is going to win this week obviously, but you could
play. I think we were tossing around
names in our chat, I mentioned, you know, Borough as a like,
yeah. At this point, you could throw
burrow into a lineup and he's going to be pretty low owned and
that gets you off the board pretty quick.
But, I mean, it's still, it's still Tough because like if Burl
goes off, it could be Chaser or Higgins in the quarterback on
the other side. But yeah, I think it's one of
two paths sort of you decide on the top to keep bees or or not.
Right. How about I know quarterback
doing quarterback first. Makes a ton of sense, but I feel
like we have to jam our AJ be over Henry here.
Because I mean, Henry's going to be massively owned at this
stage. Yes, I like that.
I honestly think that What's going to make Henry?
More popular, write in a way. Think maybe they make them less
popular, but I think people just are thirsty for a good running
back performance. Yeah, so yeah, how do you?
Yeah. So I do agree with that.
Take been like, you know, we could play digs in Tyreke and
have that be our leverage stands in.
Or we could try to eat that chalk and be more unique
elsewhere. Brady Willis's.
Brilliant TV, Brady came in a little higher than we were
expecting. I think he will be the probably
the third QB. Don't you guys maybe Rogers?
I could see, maybe Rogers both. Those guys they came in and I
think the girl will be the third quarterback.
Walden. I mean, Rogers came in as a
third key be in the big one, even with a by and there's no by
to consider. Oh yeah, you're right.
Rogers will be, I always underestimate Rogers but you're
right, he'll be sober, but then Pat rank in ownership the the
three Bangles of borough, chasing Mixon because this this
is an interesting one. Chase mixing Borough, I think
mostly just unless it just gets so gross at running back and you
need medicine. Which I guess what it really
comes down to do we have for neck because if you have for net
then you don't need Mixon and it'll be chased.
But if you don't, it'll probably make some, I would guess bro
comes in at like five percent honestly because I do think
Mahomes and I mean I don't know Pat your the ownership guy?
But I would guess my homes and Alan come in like 80.
I mean, not 80, maybe, maybe 70. But then you have 10 for Rogers,
10 for Brady and the all the other quarterbacks are going to
be like 10 combined in my mind, yet to be clear.
Like, I feel pretty confident about my ownership stuff when
I'm actually like, Yeah, and projections, and I haven't done
any of that. So all I'm saying is just total
guesses. No, I know.
Um, yeah, let somewhat someone tossed in a plate like AJ Brown
jumped out, to me, is just like, a, super clean obvious leverage
play. What's it?
What's another kind of must play that you would think, based on I
mean, he really stands out. He had a horrible game.
You just mentioned the three Bengals.
It didn't mention him. Yeah.
Like he could definitely be the guy though.
Although we have Brown. So brat some of the brown.
Advantages like it, they get beat, you know, he can he can be
the guy in a one-game and I don't know if you want to pair
them together necessarily because then you're out little
money for a shootout, the winning the winning running back
or even potentially winning quarterback.
If that team goes to the Super Bowl, could be the right move.
Yeah, mix in might make sense with AJ Brown.
Yeah, he might. Probably won't mix in there.
Yeah. Pat who's someone?
You'd want to get in here? Well, I don't know if we make
sense flame in here depending on how much leverage we ultimately
need, but the Rams had a minus 10%.
Password over expected last week.
Could maybe think about cam Akers.
Okay, so I've so I thought you were going to say Stafford but I
wasn't listening clouds. Like God I could do Stafford.
I like Acres. I mean, okay play makes a ton of
sense to me. How what is your thoughts?
I know he had the one catch for 40 yards.
What is your take on Akers pass game involvement in a - game
script in this spot? It's definitely like there's
downside to it, but your what we've seen from the Rams is that
they have had a Workhorse running back all year.
And neither Carol Henderson nor Sony Michel has been
particularly great in the passing game, Michelle's been
better, but even then Michelle wasn't really getting work as a
pass catcher when I was Henderson's back field.
So I think the Pat, the reason to play acres is that you hope
you really hope that they make a run and by the Super Bowl he's
like 80 85 - snaps which maybe is a little bit you know, coming
off the Achilles tear but they played him 53% of snaps last
week. I'm not sprinkling them in.
Yeah, and I think yeah, I'm with you the vibe I got from from
what I saw and in his usage was there ready to go?
You know, back to cam Akers, Bell coward, close to it here.
So in the, the main one, as we build this, I like the Acres
play as well. In the in the main one Mahomes
did come in a little higher ownership than Allen.
Which surprised me a little bit. I do think that probably flips
after digs wasn't I thought that was higher now.
It's twenty five to twenty three.
I mean, they're like that, even in the 200, maybe in the 35, it
was flipped out, I don't know. But in the 200, I think it's
25:23 to Mahomes I think that probably flips because digs
wasn't as good and and Mahomes weapons were and and Kelsey's
going to be a really popular play again.
Obviously, I kind of like with this what we're doing.
I mean, number one, we've already I think with the Acres
play gone off enough that we can take.
Of the main QBs, I would think Mahomes.
And then one of those sexy tight end pivots other than Kelsey
like kittel, or even potentially Gronk, because Evans had a big
game and for net will be back, I think gronckle be a good play as
well. Those are the two tight ends
that I think are more fun than Kelsey, from a leverage
perspective, eyes where we go next.
My favorite move would be Tyreke, and then, then you do
Alan. But, basically, just as a Tyreke
versus Diggs where It's just so much easier for me to see the
ceiling with Tyreke. Especially like a one game,
Super Bowl blow up. I know obviously Dick's has a
giant ceiling to but that's that's where my head's at on
that. I know we get in our bubbles
with steam and contrarian Galaxy plays, but I promise you acres
is not going so good. They I be Cooper cup is getting
absolutely jammed. Yeah I think I would end up
being light on Cooper cup which what did he come in at?
Like not 91% of 91%. Sent.
I mean, even if he comes down, I mean, he's coming down.
What at most like, 10%, if Acres gets to 10% like that, that's
your steam everywhere. That would be a massive.
Yeah. Well even, I mean, you know, I
mean, there's no way that couple be less than 80, you know.
So he's he's still the comfiest, click in the contest.
So been which one of our past. Who are you settling on?
Is it my pic? Yeah, went I read.
I was feeling Tyreke. And then thinking thinking we
could go Alan. Yeah, I mean I still want to
play bills to the Super Bowl. They look so fucking good and we
have probably enough leverage here already.
Let's do it. I'll take kill them.
Okay. Yeah.
Now we're love that now we're cooking.
That's some leverage. Where did my thing go?
Did it save? We go Alan.
And then we go kid'll. And so now we have bucks and
Packers I think we can eat atoms on a non super Cup team.
Yes, I'll put in Adams and then what do you guys like for a
buck? So we're probably, you know, we
took Acres. I like kittel Gronk together
without Kelly. Yeah, let's do that.
Let's do that. Sorry who I said gramsci
Crockett all the and Gronk together going to tight ends
without Kelsey seems like a pretty that's pretty hot a
little bit less unique. Yeah, more unique.
I love it. This is fun.
Yeah so yeah that I could just tell Pat he's like man maybe I
will whip up some ownership. Reject this is a few done this
on Monday. You'd have ownership projections
by Tuesday. I tell you that don't do better
for us, don't just a little too late.
Now, that's right. The ownership wise I would say
like if you're just thinking through it yourself for net is
going to make a massive difference in terms of like I
think specifically for net to mix in Nixon will be way way
chalky, ER, if fournette doesn't play.
And I think pretty interesting if he does play because I assume
that chase will just soak up a ton and it's also easier to get
to T if you have for not to go to.
And so like if you if we're not plays, I think for now it's fine
but they may be goatee is opposed to chase because Chase
is going to be huge ownership if we're not goes how what do you
think? Because I'm just I'm just
looking at running back, purely in a vacuum.
Hume and the cleanest clicks are probably Joe Mixon and Devin
Singletary and I'm not talking about opportunity costs at
teammates. I'm just like, who do you just
feel super good about base? Not not there Kenner.
I mean there's question mark. I mean he hasn't played in
months, you know, like what if he has the cam Akers, he's back
game, where he gets half the work and they lose.
Yeah yeah, that's true but I agree with you that Henry is
going to be the most, but I'm trying to think to of like it.
I guess my point is, is just running back is so gross, like,
no one makes you feel good Singletary.
Doesn't make. You feel good?
Because you're passing up on Allen.
I still think Aaron Jones is probably the best not, maybe the
best leverage put like We're talking about him a little
earlier in the week, in our in our chat.
I think Darren Jones. I think I like Jones more than
Acres. Even acres is still tough
because we don't know if you'll get all the work and you do
still have the cup opportunity cost and Jones is sort of
similar with Davante Adams. But we know Jones like I think
he's probably going to be just as low as acres and he could
come out. Have a three touchdown game
pretty easily I think. Yeah.
Yeah, he he starts to get, he starts to get very interesting
and I think I mean Francis is saying that in the chat just
that, you know, steam steam, steam 44 Acres, I'm not really
buying it, but I guess like you could maybe talk me into that,
he's ten to fifteen percent. But there's there's a zero
percent chance that Jones's is even 10%.
I think, right? 10.
Aaron Jones Cameron Jones yet? No, because it's because people
are going to go to Roger's in a way that they won't go to
Stafford. So the bottoms might end up in
Higher than Cup in this one because he might, it's either
Rams. It.
People were already fairly interested in playing Rogers
from what I had seen and just like, yeah, that's being posted,
like, people were on board with the Rogers play.
And I would say also how some of these games went.
I feel like most people feel pretty confident that the
Packers are going to the Super Bowl and so now they're saying,
can I get you know three games out of Rogers?
Yeah, people talk show informative.
And AJ Dillon, in the freezing cold.
Like I completely get that stance but that's why I've no
one's going to play Jones. Jones gets are yards, dude.
Like he runs routes Mikey. He had a game earlier this year.
I think we caught three touchdowns, right?
Like, you get them these like Sprint out down by the goal,
line plays. I think he had a couple Sprint
out touchdown receptions in the same game the one where he
scored a bunch of TVs. I mean that's like we've talked
on the show a lot about not getting caught up on who the
wide receiver one. Is on a team and looking at
Players independently. This is a backfield where I
would say don't get caught up on who the running back.
One is they don't have a ton of Playmakers.
Those are like two of their three.
Best players on offense. Obviously Allen Lazard is like
pretty good too, but they don't really have like a second
receiver. It's like Davante Adams and then
they're going to find ways to use their running backs.
And I just look at it and Jones independently and say, like, he
can easily catch a 25-yard touchdown.
He's done that multiple times this year.
Yeah, he had a game back in week, two.
We had 23, receiving touchdowns, and he had a Russian one at 40.
These total that was before, Dylan came on and get all that.
I've been a huge film fan all along.
But Dylan could have a good rushing game and Jones can still
be the guy who eats up touchdowns with some some routes
actually receiving stuff on top of from rushing.
So they've, this is kind of the to V2, right?
If you're trying to not eat chalk at Double spots, what do
you what pairing? Do you like better cam Akers
with Davante Adams or Aaron Jones with Cooper cup?
I like the Jones cup side personally.
I like the anchors Adam Adam side because while I think like
I guess I mean both can work but I think you kind of need the
loss with Green Bay for the Jones side to hit.
Like I just don't have any comment because you're going,
not only, you're going up against Adams with Jones.
You're going up against Rogers. So when a Super Bowl run those
Rogers teams might be like super stat mean they're going to be in
this contest. They can be super stacked with
skill players from every other team.
They're going to have a really good skill.
Player opposite Rogers in the Super Bowl, I think you're not a
tough time. I mean maybe you have Josh Alan
Eric Jones but I still think that Jones is a big dog to
outscore. Those guys over a three-game run
so I guess like with acres and maybe it's a thinner about to
happen but I do think like we are seeing the signs and we've
seen this a couple different times with John McVay in the
playoffs, they just convert, he's lost faith in his
quarterback he's just going to become this like run-heavy team.
Going to power. They're going to flip our
football through the playoff run.
So the the hope is that Acres pays off because they're
actually building their offense around the running game and
they're winning through the running game where I don't think
you're going to see that really the same way with the Packers.
And if you do that's agent, Dylan not Jones.
Yeah, and I always, I do feel like there's always a little bit
more of Hope IAM with Aaron Jones and that we know he has
the ceiling. No one questions that he can pop
off for a three touchdown game but those are less frequent
where I think it's a little safer to project cam Akers.
Roll just growing into 20 plus touch back in this game and then
maybe the game script breaks in your favor to.
I just think there's maybe more outs for Acres than there are
necessarily for Aaron Jones. But maybe that's wrong.
I don't think that's wrong. I guess my counter, I agree with
you on that TV. Thing to my counter a little bit
would be like Dan makes a good point here that running back to
the soffit spots you don't. Yeah, that's true points at
running back Adams. Isn't at the end?
I think you're, I think, Pat your point that you kind of want
to play the Packers to lose his, right?
I think you do want to be playing the Packers to lose, but
I mean, I just pulled up his game log, because I was looking
up the 3td thing like Jones like even like week 16 and 17, get 12
and eight carries. But I'd over 65 rushing yards,
both and caught five passes in bolts.
You're going to get like 13 to 15 points.
Even if he doesn't score didn't score on those games.
And then, you know, scored the two weeks prior to that and go
back and look at his game, like like he's in double digits every
week. He's in the 15 range every week
last week. In this contest.
There was like three or four running backs that were played
in this. That scored in double figures,
you know, Singletary Jacobs, Elijah Mitchell and Joe Mixon.
I mean Keyshawn was sub 1 percent.
He got into double figures. Some of the other running backs
were sub 1 percent. She had was 32%.
That's it. Like, none of the other running
backs, even scored. I mean, now we have Henry, and,
and mix in potentially could have a big amazing or whatever.
But I think 15 points out of Aaron Jones could get it done.
You can also say everything, you're saying about Aaron Jones,
and to some extent, just like the safety of him getting there.
I think, he's a much better play than AJ Dillon and the stuff
about, you know, AJ Dillon, in the cold.
And like, I do really, They struggle to see agent Dylan
being the guy over a three-game stretch and maybe that's a lotta
lack of imagination because I guess, you know, maybe they just
steamroll teams for three weeks and, you know, he scores twice
in the in the Super Bowl or something.
But if you're not playing Adams and you're not playing Rogers, I
do think you want to play for a loss just because your best case
scenario is like happen to get the high score in that game and
then get that team out of there. With Dylan, it's like you have
to play for them to get more players and at least with Acres
you're making that same bet. But you're only fading cup and
there's in the hope is that the guys consolidating the
backfield? The further further you go and
acres has. Yeah.
Some like legit receiving upside.
He not only had the 140 are catchy, had the other one that
he over R and remember that deep shot on the sideline, he could
have he looked good. I'm totally what you looked like
you really could. You could have a really good
game for sure. He looks like on your head.
Agile and like, it looks great. Yeah, deal happens.
And no way you can play him in this because like he's giving
you catching passes with a dumb place and he only gets there.
If their whole offense is working in the federal offenses
working, he's not the highest score on his team.
He's just sort of, you know, a part of a cog in that, I don't
think. I'm because what?
It's all low value touches he could rack up, you get him,
100-yard rushing, it's 10 points, right?
Like I mean you have to have multiple touchdowns and then
also like their didn't throw it all.
I don't know. It's just I think you could
sprinkle them in if you're doing Lunch.
Because like if you get an ankle tweak, by Jones in, you know,
halfway through this game or something, he's like going to
be, he could easily be the guy you need.
If he consolidates that backfield and then they roll
through teams but it's like, you know, I think it's a it's a
pretty thin play in like a small portfolio somewhere somewhere at
home. There's someone who's firing 150
lineups into this second chance contest and they say thank you
for permission to sprinkle it a little later.
Let's set. This is a another kind of one of
the big surprises from Wildcard Weekend.
Was Jerick McKinnon 's involvement.
I asked Pat I was asking, Davis as like, for there any reports
on this and it seems like there really was nothing other than
Darrell Williams not being 100%. That would have indicated, this
was in play. Yeah.
And like, throw Williams was like, I think it was
questionable coming in and then, you know, the weren't it was
like yeah, he's active like that.
Didn't seem like, you know, game time like I'm in like it's going
to be a problem for him to get through this game.
It all seemed like a pretty normal sort of questionable tag.
So I don't know. This is surprised when McKenna
me talk about a guy. Look, good.
You look right. Yeah.
Ben, what was your take on what we saw from McKinnon?
I mean confusion, basically. Everything you just said you
look great. And we kind of, you know, The
best ball Shares are loving it. You know, we this is this was
the thesis of the play in August.
It all that kind of stuff. I think we drafted a list of
gone or NFC team that Crush. I think you know what jerk but
given that would actually be a fun contest, write an entire
season, best ball contest, the Super Bowl double points that
includes the playoffs. So now and then you would
probably see people, you know really overweighting.
The really good. I'm right just because they're
trying to get that extra which would probably create some
really interesting ATP values. Angle shiitake what a crushed
because they would have been sort of underweight, the idea
after one day is north and got to her, they did you get a
second playoff game? This is how this I love this
idea because it makes you have like a rooting interest with a
team, not just players. Yeah.
That one would stack even more, which is like, would be good.
You have to sniping stacks and you stack the running back in
the country. It back even more, like, you'd
start the whole. Yeah, and then the other thing
you could do to, as you could have a prize after the regular
season and then a prize for the full season.
So there were still people who kind of Dynasty, you know, how
some people can build short-term.
Some people can, you know, have a five-year window that they're
building toward. It's like you could decide.
Am I going to engineer to try to win the regular season plant,
where I don't care about it? Or am I trying to go for the
full season where I'm building through, you know, Super Bowl,
contenders. That would be Really fun if you
had like, what if? Okay, so what if your you
qualify for a torrent you qualify for the like the regular
best ball tournament. Yeah.
And then you have that regular best ball tournament but while
that's going on, you're also still competing to qualify for
the playoff tournament. So all of your teams like the
didn't make the first one of aren't a limit, are there live
for the they're still live and they go through and they're
still fighting and like maybe Auto qualify if you qualify for
the first one. But then Still additional teams
that are going to qualify for the playoff team.
For the playoff tournament that would be fun because then it
just like even your team's. Because how often do we say
that? Right?
Where, even the team we drafted with Davis, right?
We were like, holy shit, that team got so good at Jonathan.
Taylor Davante, Adams at Elijah Mitchell on it were, like, why
couldn't we have had this in the playoffs?
Where if there is a format, like this relleno?
We still get them. Yeah, exactly.
There's this question in from Philip who I joked about the
Kendrick born about Kendra Porn. Be the play gasps Sean.
And for those of you who remember, when we had them on WE
referenced how when he was on in the summer, he gave away Draco
mentioned in winning the FPC best ball that he picked Sony
Michelle late because Sean mentioned on ship chasing the
Sony Michelle play. And so we were referencing that
during that same stream last week and then later in the
Stream, Sean gave away. The key play to the FPC
contested we play. To keep like, no, we did not
know if you would not legal, none of us.
Listen, it is sports Almanac, but you had it, it was right.
Again, Sean Leonard, Ivy did he even joked on stealing, bananas
about what am I going to come on the show?
And, you know, ruined my EV because the Saudi Michelle was
the Draco pick. And so, of course it was
Kendrick born and like usual, we all were like, oh that's funny
Shawn but he was right. Good one.
Sean 12, touchdowns, what about a real nice play to have 77?
57 and two touchdowns. Um, so we have Kevin asking
about t Higgins. I do think we could flesh that
out a little bit more because we were talking about the big three
for The Bangles. Kevin says last week, he saw a
bit of Hayward and Chase was on fire.
Cincinnati was heavily condensed to.
So I know just from your willingness to put Higgins in
this lineup that you still are leaving a light on for a big
game here. Yeah, we're leaving all the
lights on. All the lights are on t.
Higgins is awesome. This passing offense, can be
incredible. He dropped a 40 burger like four
weeks ago. All the lights are on.
Yep. Yeah yeah.
I'm a I'm excited for that. How do you guys talk about the
recency bias that you were talking about?
Like literally week 16, he went 12 1994 to against Baltimore.
He had a 362 game in week 17 to play week, 18 and now on week
19, he has the one catch and just before week 16, you know,
he had a down gaming 15 but you had a three-game stretch of at
least 114 and every game. He's Better yards per hour on
than Tyree killed this season, including the playoffs.
Yeah, I mean he's a leap in incredible.
Yeah, Mighty Higgins. Ryan's got a tee.
Higgins on ironically and Alpha play.
Yeah, absolutely. I'll handle.
I mean, I would rather play Chase like if there was no such
thing as like you know, Game Theory or whatever.
But like there is so do you can see is going to be absolute
smashing. Even if there wasn't he'd still
be someone, you want pieces up Yeah, I guess the one thing, if
you play Higgins, are you hoping for a Bangles loss?
Are you okay with Higgins with 2 Bangles Games here?
Also, you need a Bengals lost. Yeah, you can you're fine with
to, because the other thing is, like, let's say, you know, chase
outscores them in this game because Jake is a favor to
outscore them, and every game they play, but the ceiling is so
high on Higgins, that it can make up for that if chase
outscored them against the Titans.
Okay? Well, he's getting Bills are
Chiefs next and that game could just be awesome.
Shootout, they've had a really interesting Dynamic this year
where it's been sort of one or the other.
And I don't I think that's just like a small sample sequencing
all that stuff we talked about, it's very probable in my opinion
that both guys could have very similar stat lines.
We just have not seen it a lot and all this year like Chase has
really blown up recently and for a stretch in the middle Higgins,
was blowing up Chase early in the year they've been Sort of
one or the other, but imagine a scenario where they both have
like, 80 to 100 yard games and Higgins, just gets the TD's.
Like, look normal teams. That have two really good
receivers, which this is that team.
And the other thing, just thinking about the construction
for the playoff contest. So, we ended up in that lineup.
We just built a little while ago.
We put Nixon end because we thought he paired with AJ Brown
better. I do think Higgins would be like
the perfect guy to play opposite.
Your Derrick Henry because Derrick Henry is going to be
very popular. So Higgins.
Get you really unique? For everyone playing Chase
opposite of him and the chances that Higgins has a blow-up game.
Aren't that much different? Such a smash such a smash such a
smash. Yeah.
And if you if we don't get for net then I actually think it's
might be the best place. The best play in the entire
tournament because it's so hard to get to them.
If you're going to have to do, you're going to do something
uncomfortable to get to Higgins, but can't deny that.
He is in a very, very strong play, like leaving aside Chase
because you're saying all that If we don't get fournette,
people want to jam mixin. You have to play a lot of mix.
I mean, mixing is so much. You see what it's like.
Okay, you're definitely playing Henry and then, I guess you're
playing Singletary. You know, I guess you could go
Acres or Jones but now you're like, all right.
Well, I'm playing acres are Jones.
My really going to play Higgins. I want to play chase, you know?
So if you can figure out a way to do it and we don't get
fournette. Like if he has the your you'll
win the whole thing if he has the big because I was messing
around with game lineups are chat and all of them had jokes
It gets that's those are like the two that I want, both of
them like that. Those are the two big lot and
then obviously the kid'll anti Rico's ones are I think very
obvious leverage ones but I really like this idea of Jones
Hagan's being guys that I wouldn't maybe this is wrong but
I don't think I would play kidal and Jones together because I
kind of feel like Kittles the same thing where you're playing
for a loss. Because they're just running
their offense through Debo now. Yeah, that's fair.
And that's, yeah, real quick here and then I think we should
close it with a with an underdog draft, but Sam asking about the
double like, Touches for Chase. See, I'm asking if that was
something new, I definitely hadn't seen any of those kind of
into round, manufactured carries for Chase.
No, that was awesome. Yeah, I think it's great.
Do you think it was intentional of like we're going to save this
wrinkle for the playoffs or that they were just laid the offense
of coordinators a light bulb just finally went off.
Oh we should get our best player, the ball a lot.
I mean I don't know if necessarily intentional as much
as maybe their game planning and going what are some new
wrinkles? We can show.
Here's a good idea. They gave him seven carries over
the course of the year. They gave him three in this
game. So obviously it was a higher
rate, you know, he had about one every two games during the
regular Euler season, or a little less than that.
And, you know, I mean, maybe it's something to head back
pocket, or maybe it's something, they're just getting planning in
there, like, yeah, this would be, maybe they saw someone film,
you know, for the matchup and maybe the Raiders were giving
up, big, chunk place to receiving Russia's, you know,
receivers at underground's. I don't know if that's at all
true, but it could have been. But it might just be something.
I would guess that they were like.
We want to put a new wrinkle into our offense if they haven't
seen yet and I mean, I think it's Super Bowl champs the Once
again to just like, that's the kind of stuff we're complaining
about. Was he dealing with the top of
the show? Like, they are like, your mark
chases, an incredible athlete. Look at whatever, you know, look
what depose doing like. Look at, look at these teams
that are actually intelligent. Let's just get the ball on our
athletes hands and let him do some things, you know.
Yeah, yeah they know I mean today there was a quote there,
like you seem like you have more of a deep element to your
passing game, like like please elaborate on why that is.
And the guy the coach was just like Jamar Chase.
So they get and the other thing I would say, I think it's
probably more of the wrinkle for the playoffs thing because we
saw the Bangles of various points, pack it in and play
really run heavy. And then we saw them at other
points, just like go to the past and those are the points
specifically being the Ravens in the Chiefs game, which were the
incredible Borough explosions. The concern with them is always
like, do they, you know, where they protecting burrow?
Because their offensive line is very bad.
And maybe they were just like we need to just get through the
regular season. Skipper will hurt and we're
going to go run heavier than his ideal to do that or do they not
really get that they need to push the pedal to the floor with
the passing game. They had a nine percent password
are expected on First and Ten against the Raiders and they had
a 5% password expected overall against the Raiders.
The Raiders are Run final, could have easily seen Cincinnati play
it like very, very balanced. They didn't they played a
passivity. I think the Bangles are totally
live to win the Super Bowl. Like I think they have a Legit
chance with this type of passing game.
Like as powerful as passing game, is you just need to get
really hot. And you could, you could do it.
It's obviously, they're not like one of the favorites, but I
don't know. I mean, if they, like lean into
this in a way that Dallas completely leaned out of, if
they kind of go the other way and then and, you know, I love
the the point about CD lamb where they're identifying Chase.
I think they have a really, really high ceiling.
Didn't they lost Larry? Oh, Punjabi this week, right?
Which was kind of tough. I completely agree with you, but
like the defense would be the concern.
I mean, it's almost like, they'll be like the first year
that You know like that like they're definitely the upstart
offense like the first year of Mahomes went to did win the
Super Bowl in the first year. You know, like that's a lot of
times the the hot off one in there in his second year.
He was MVP and then the Super Bowl.
Yeah. So they lost in the MVP year,
right? So it's like you run into a good
defensive game plan and your first really good offensive year
and your daddy's not good enough yet and we see a lot of offenses
that happened to in the playoffs.
I think that could be sort of ultimately there.
That's probably what will happen to him.
Yeah. I completely agree with you
though. I like them, too.
If they're hot, you guys want to put some of these ideas on our
feet here with a, with a mitten draft, I do.
All right. And also, I should say, just
part of our extreme Cowboys tilt.
So that incredibly gorgeous early team that we drafted,
where we had the Mahomes premium, double with Kelsey, and
he'll we had DAC and a Mari and Pollard that team failed to
advance. Because of the Cowboys even with
the big Mahomes and until game. So just devastating run out.
Thank you, Dallas Cowboys for that one.
Yeah, make sure you're hiding a higher Kellen Moore is your new
coach. What could go wrong?
So if anyone wants to hop in a mitten draft with us right now,
we will have not done any of these.
I think actually did one on Splash play with spaags but I am
not in the Weeds on how these are going.
Is this? Same kind of concept.
Same rules like one team advances.
Yep. Yep.
Exact same structure as the last or actually sorry this is the
Mitten so to would Advance as opposed to the 6.
The Gauntlet is just one advances in the Mitten is to go.
Yeah. So we did draw the influencer
101. It's already interesting here
because earlier, in the week, it was Adams and cup at the top.
And I've seen Alan now in Mahomes must be, must be coming
up here. Do you guys have a take on who
you think is the number one overall pick?
Oh, is it? That's good to know if I'm wrong
on that if it's just one this time.
Thank you guys. Just one this time.
It's probably Adams where you get the home route to the Super
Bowl. Can we get Rogers in the way
back? Is the question because you're
not getting buff and Casey? Like now your quarterback has to
be like burrow or somebody that you're picking to get there.
My guess is Rogers, doesn't make it back even without the stack.
Well, that's good. But if we take atoms, and then
Stack The Bangles. Okay.
Yeah, like this since he Green Bay Super Bowl pick and we could
always get Dylan. I was thinking like you could
play, I mean cups rough, but you could consider like, I don't
know, I don't know what I was thinking.
It's at these cuties are going to three like It's actually
interesting because they play each other.
Like, what are you go? If we get us immediately, I
mean, if we have like burrow and Adams, like I feel like I'm
taking those to be 2's over, however, they get in the second
round. Yeah.
And it's interesting to you see how people set up their Stacks
because at least in the first set of these, you know,
basically three to four teams. Their first, two round picks
were, were stacks of some sort? Whereas now, when it's gets a
little bit more spread out, I wonder if we're still seeing
that quite as much. I just don't see how you could
possibly take Rogers without atoms in a contest like this,
but I guess it's impossible to get both.
Yeah. Yeah, I mean like what What
scenario are you playing for? Well, there he got this scenario
so he took Roxanne are ghosts. Yeah.
But what is what's? I mean, I even I was high in air
jumps. It's is what I described going
to happen. Three weeks in a row.
No, but yeah, if you get, if you get the one Aaron Jones,
explosion game and then you get the one Roger, spread it around
game, maybe you get there, right?
Yeah, I guess. Hard and stuff.
I don't know. That's but to Pat's idea.
I mean, we're still well positioned here to play a
Bangles. Go Chasin Borough.
The chase mix in here. Oh yeah, do we have that?
So this is the real coming back. We want to gamble so that we
have a cup, Kelsey team, a hill digs.
You are at risk of a Higgins Borough pair if we go chill.
Yeah, I think we I think we go Berlin like that in unless he's
like, way down. Are you okay with that?
Yeah, I'm good. I think it will get snaked by
someone just cause he's so attractive and T, still a nice
stack partner and then you guys want to sum over.
All the mixing was Fire. I didn't see bro on the list but
I Borough having a 21.9 ATP. I think it makes I hear it makes
sense to get him here Chase right?
Yeah. We can gal brain, T, Higgins, on
FPC, and draft. Chase on underdog.
Yeah, well, I mean it's got to the game through thing, right?
Yeah it is and you know Eric suggested Chase mix in which I
do think is viable. But kind of to Ben's original
point of like, can you go to battle with a Rogers without
Adams? I don't, we could, we could make
this teamwork, we probably end up, you know, pivoting to, you
know, a Tannehill or Galaxy brain, Trey Lancer, something.
But if I was drafting a bunch of these, I would, I would kick the
can down the road to try to see if he would come back to me.
But in a one-and-done draft here, I'm like, let's just get
our stack. I completely agree with that.
Yeah, you're not winning existing with Adams and chasing
and mix in as your top three picks.
If you don't have either Rogers to burrow, it's just like you
need those teams to play in the Super Bowl and then you need the
quarterback. It's just not.
Yeah, and like this team here so Chase takes mix and like there.
I'll maybe he'll even take T here or he would have been a It
to take Chase for a burrow for sure.
I think right. Was a candidate.
Take burrow. Even if he doesn't take T, you
still doesn't have a quarterback and he has a mixin.
Now, this is a high hat. Like this turn here.
Going for that greedy. A Tennessee, Super Bowl.
I like it a lot. So we weren't a fan of the
Rogers pick, but it kind of it kind of worked out.
It does work out the Henry AJ prompt, it's good call.
So I was inverted here, get a kick quarterback down the road,
probably going to go for a trail and I would or Jimmy G, maybe
both, maybe just grabs both at the end Stafford was I think
pretty clear sign he would have taken, bro.
Yeah, I guess he gets, he gets that cup stack, but you rather
have the mixing. I think because the louvers are
so we can go The Double with t. Let's do it.
T and whoo. So yeah, I'm just going to put T
in the cage and Dylan let's go Dylan.
Yes yeah. Okay that's what I was thinking.
I just was you said double I thought you meant to more since
any pics I was stoked for getting Higgins and Dylan.
Yeah perfect. That's I think it's beautiful.
Yeah, you're saying that's great Chase.
That's that looks great. Oh my God.
So it's a lie. Joe Joe go here.
You know, we're both rooting for the Packers win and then we get
to go to the time that we didn't like Joe goes team and then we
came around on it and then we realized using the chat now.
Wait, now that we've got bagels premium, double we're good.
Yeah. Everything looks better now that
our team is good. So yeah, Fritz here, going with
the Buffalo stack and then playing Tampa Bay and then Acres
pretty nice value there. I think on Akers, KZ doubling up
on quarterback. So he does have the QB.
Running backs tax for both the Bucks and Tampa.
I was inverted kind of still honing in, he's kind of Best
Player other than now he has two chiefs and too 49ers, I guess
how many rounds of these 1000? I was inverted went in the first
two rounds. May not want to.
I'm, I don't know anything, but he'll Diggs is something I don't
think I would do, because it played each other, right?
Yeah. Yeah.
It is. I Vance.
Yeah, I would, I guess it Narrows a little bit just when
there are, is minigames and the potential ceiling you're getting
there, but then, when you factor that in, Plus not getting the
quarterback stack with it. It does start to not seem as
attractive. His Advance rate though.
Could be fairly nice, right? Like his first place Equity
probably isn't as good, but his Advance rate is probably just as
good. Mmm, so what's the strategy here
for our team moving forward? Because like, are we trying to
now just, like, get a better Advance rate with this team?
It's reading that date. All right.
Yeah. So I think we could definitely
introduce another team. If we want it boy this year,
which is kind of a no-brainer Yes.
I'm just going to put them in
for now. I mean, we probably should think
if we're going to get it, we probably need a little more
running back. Help if AJ Dylan doesn't do that
much this week. Baker's already 10 acres went,
what do you guys have any? I mean, Geo is probably the,
like, help you advance guy driving Darryl, Darryl Williams,
if like me really was hurt. I mean, he's not in a game with
either of these two guys. Yeah, or geo geo could win and
play two games. Yeah, I would guide.
It's not in the game with the Bangles and we Packers, I think
I take mvs and then maybe she should take him and then turned
out later because these are all just gonna door throw.
Yeah yeah I hope saying that these drafts have been hard to
set up stacks and and that makes sense to just with concentrated
teams it's hard for people to get out of each other's way.
I mean, we are set up with Green Bay.
Now obviously we just have the one running back, that could be
a problem but Green Bay like the points are coming through mvs
still and or Adams I mean I guess cop could ruin our lives
but like I feel like we or even Jones but we We have like a
pretty we're like pretty. We've got all the scripts
covered. You know what I mean?
Yeah, no, Leslie. Just fail.
Let's see here. Mikkel says, imagine not
starting chasing mix and imagine telling me who's our quarterback
on that team. Um, the other thing that's nice
about it is and no surprise that we devalued running back.
But we can now stack, right? Like, if we want to take some
darts on some of these running backs here, like we might be
able to double tap running back here.
If these guys keep slipping. What it makes sense to go like
Darrell McKinnon or do you need more of your last round?
Picks mcinerney went in went? Yeah he would have been a nice
pic. He went around 42 kzo woow it
was okay. That makes sense.
I just didn't realize it gone. Ricky answering an interesting
question. I think this would be maybe
losing in the NFC Championship or AFC Championship, but I don't
think you can take zeros at quarterback two times.
Maybe you could take 10. In the Super Bowl, like you get
a Mega. Like team there in your just
jacked up everywhere. I think it has to be like, like,
I guess you could do it, if you had Like Tyreke and Adams, like,
if those I mean it's like maybe Compton atoms or not coming out
of because those two couldn't make the Super Alien butt.
However, it would have to be like maybe a cup.
And Kelsey. Maybe, I maybe that would work,
the problem with it too. Is it's just even hard, even
without the quarterback to get all those studs, you know, I
paid it's, you know, it dries up quickly. and if you advance in
that scenario without Tana, then you're playing other teams that
advanced IT presumably Right. To have Tannehill?
They have Tennessee's. Yeah.
Dead is that the idea? I got it.
Yeah. So Geo does go.
Thank you Kaz for sniping him. I'm fine.
I think Darrell with a team. Like this makes a ton of sense.
Yeah, I'm good with it. Where are you guys at on?
I mean, I think we should probably take another Min 4 Min
or Vaughn. I mean we don't probably want to
do Foreman in this game. Yeah, I think it's the one
because we might want to do another running back.
We might get another game at a pond.
Yeah, and that's kind of what we need in this build is just like,
can we get, can we get 10 points from one of these three?
I think is what we're looking for.
Yeah. And then last pick can just
literally be see James Olmos just just just ripping probably
yeah, yeah. Oh my God, I love it.
Yeah, you know why? Why Jamar Chase Alpha play?
We got perriman. Eric, we're grabbing our first
running back or second running back in round eight.
I mean, there's going to be things that I'm going to lose
sleep about you figure out all these bills.
Yeah, we need running backs to help us Advance.
Literally the other options are dr.
Foreman going against the onslaught as the RV to Zack
Moss, who did even have a snap last week.
Ronald Jones didn't play, I mean we just need bodies while Jones.
Also not a practice that even though we got one Kyle use
jacket. Yeah, that's true.
Somewhat somewhat chased it take us on is oh my hair.
You bastard. Uncalled for to guara.
Sorry. It took Korra, is there like a
better? Just is there a Kansas?
City receiver? Because we did play Darrell,
like we're kind of playing them to be the bills.
They're like a pringle or a Demarcus.
Yeah, I'm into that. I think it works almost there.
No Demarcus there oh did Marcus is here.
That's up, he's terrible. Football works.
Yeah, and because we don't we don't have a dog in Rogers, so I
missing, we will Grace our will see playing for Tampa to see
another option. I didn't check Dam herb rate.
I mean since we have Keyshawn I'm just thinking like rounds
one and two Camera breaking score.
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I like this tiny little Cincy, Green Bay Super Bowl.
I think we'll be in very nice shape.
Yeah, I mean looks pretty good to me.
Yeah well I think probably our biggest concern is next week.
Running back, right? Because we don't have the other.
I mean, we need, we need Casey, we want Casey to be Buffalo,
right? But I'm saying, like, if
fournette does come back, like are perfect.
Scenario is for Nat doesn't play.
We get another similar game but then if for net comes back next
week, now Vaughn is dust. Who knows what's going on with
that? I mean we need AJ Dylan to carry
us next week. Yeah.
DJ the other thing I would have maybe pitched if I would have
thought through this better is so I generally like having a
running back tied to my quarterback on these to the
Super Bowl. So I would have probably
suggested just tossing and perine and oh yeah I was loving
Ethan's come and he wrote fucking be ride for the
lighthouse. It's actually a good suggestion.
Yeah, fuck it. Be right?
Yeah, I think if I would take the pee right over Robinson but
otherwise I think it's fun team me too, that's great.
We should have done that, we don't we're never playing
Robinson. You may be kept as a team.
See, we've got such good receivers.
That's that would have been the right place.
Yeah. Alright guys, hopefully that
scratched your action pitch tonight.
Any final words for me guys. I'm just doing the walkthrough
right in it tomorrow. Check it out on Friday.
Nice Gretch. Stealing bananas anything else.
No, I'm trying to catch up on sleep.
I started playing NCAA football 10 this week.
So SMU I read an Eric Dickerson article this week.
That was really good. And now I'm going to bring SMU
back to the The Glory Days of the 80s.
So yeah. I mean it's a big week, I don't,
you know, I don't know. I don't know if I'll have time
for, you know, all the things that I need to get done football
season. Is it regrets turns into a
seventy-year-old Stoner play video games?
Yeah, exactly. All right, as Evan is found my
vocal tic, when I say, all right guys that means the the show is
coming through and then I immediately go are I guess we're
gonna. All right.
I have a very busy day tomorrow getting up late in the afternoon
so I am going to call it a night but where you going?
I have to get on a flight to wear.
If I was able to disclose that been, I wouldn't have to be
getting on that flight. Um, no, I'm going to Lake Tahoe
with my college buddies. We To the place.
We're going to watch the divisional, round games, play
poker, just hang out, all the good stuff.
That sounds awesome. Yeah, some Joy excited for that
but we will be back next week. Yeah.
Skier or snowboarder. Anything you can hit the
mountain II do like to snowboard.
We're actually not planning on it.
We're just because this is our D Jen weekend.
We normally go to Vegas for it but we said why don't we just
get a cabin? That has a hot tub in a poker
table and watch all the games? Yeah.
Cool. I don't want to.
I did want to give a shout out. Out to Eddie in the ship chasing
Discord, to let me know that season 3 of dead eyes is is like
which I did not know and it's a great podcast.
Season three are dead eyes. Excellent season.
I actually downloaded those. I was hoping to catch it on on
my plane tomorrow so we love Connor Ratliff.
All right guys. Alright alright.
Alright. Need to stop saying that we will
see you guys next Wednesday.