1 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:07,760 Hello everyone and welcome to my final cold open for in season 2 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:10,280 ADP Chasing. So it's not going anywhere. 3 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:13,480 Davis and Pat will be bringing you guys to the end of the 4 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:15,880 season here on ADP Chasing, but this will be my final show. 5 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:18,920 We have a lot to cover today. I'll give sort of a quick 6 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:24,120 summary of what's going on with me and then we will get to a mid 7 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:28,600 season check in on our truth serum takes. 8 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,000 Let's do it. ATP chasing is for when you 9 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,800 watch ship chasing, you go these guys are just football guys. 10 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,040 And the targets for outrun leagues, that's going to be 11 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:38,880 really nice, actually. Back in, if it's Austin, it's. 12 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:41,680 Here to our crystal ball. close your eyes. 13 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:43,880 You know all your entries are going to lose anyway. 14 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:45,400 Yeah. That's fair. 15 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:46,760 This is a Deuce von show. It's. 16 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,600 Anti cabal. It's anti the best ball thought 17 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:51,760 leader. I'm obviously lying to some 18 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,320 degree because like, I have a lot of both of these guys. 19 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,960 It's the most disgusting thing you can make, but man. 20 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,760 End of an era. It's been it's been a fun ride 21 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:11,240 guys. Welcome Davis, Pat Week 9 and 22 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:13,840 season 80P chasing. How are we doing today? 23 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:17,240 Doing good. You know, the show will go on, 24 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:21,520 but I just don't see any way that we're going to be able to 25 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:25,000 make as disgusting pics as we did with with you on the show, 26 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,400 Sam. It's going to be hard. 27 00:01:27,960 --> 00:01:31,400 It's going to be sad every week when the intro plays I. 28 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:34,320 Know you know. It's going to be the, the, the 29 00:01:34,320 --> 00:01:37,280 intro will always be a brutal, a brutal reminder. 30 00:01:37,320 --> 00:01:39,240 You know we and and we're not. Going to get to see. 31 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,200 Yeah, you know, we're not going to get to see Sam's New England 32 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:47,360 Cottage background anymore. It's going to be, it's going to 33 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:48,800 be pretty tough. It looks like your internet's 34 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:50,640 trying to give out on you right now. 35 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:54,120 Yeah, the CLV game in shambles. I promise you, Corinne and I 36 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:57,440 will not be tracking CLV next offseason. 37 00:01:57,720 --> 00:01:59,160 I used to be the background king. 38 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:01,320 You know, there's, there's people kind of coming and going. 39 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:04,720 Sam has so many. Is this a commune that you live 40 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:05,560 in? Sam, There's there's. 41 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,080 No, there's, there's been various representatives of the 42 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:12,600 bank just. Just kind of coming slowly to. 43 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,120 To take all my, they actually just took my, my Wi-Fi. 44 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,280 So I think that's what happened there. 45 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:21,400 But yeah, slowly but surely being stripped of all my assets. 46 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,400 But yeah, I miss what you said there, David. 47 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:26,680 Something weird is going on with my Internet. 48 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:33,280 But yeah, you guys are going to do justice for the show, I'm 49 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:35,160 sure. Yeah, something, something will 50 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:36,560 happen. It's going to be great. 51 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:41,160 It's going to be entertaining. I wanted to start off to allow 52 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,320 me to be self indulgent here for a second and just give sort of 53 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,560 my my quick story about what's going on with me. 54 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:52,440 A lot of people, you know, reach out over the past week and say 55 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:54,360 things like, Oh, I hope you're OK, things like that. 56 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,120 So I just want to get the, the story out, you know, I'm totally 57 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:00,200 fine. I just want to kind of provide 58 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,040 people with context and what I'm doing, what's going on. 59 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:09,480 So I, I guess just like zooming out to go back to my start in 60 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:14,040 the fantasy space. For me, I kind of got into 61 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:17,680 fantasy content creation and kind of a, a happenstance way. 62 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,880 It actually started with the the main event guest streams that 63 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,080 Pat and Pete did. This was back in like summer 64 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,800 2021. I signed up for one of those, 65 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:29,760 kind of got a taste of what it's like to go on the Internet and 66 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,360 fire off fantasy football takes like, oh, this is, this is 67 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:34,000 pretty fun. Maybe it's something I would 68 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,440 enjoy. I was working full time at that 69 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:37,800 point, didn't really have time for it. 70 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:43,080 And Fast forward a year, I started grad school in 2022 and 71 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,920 Pat actually reached out asking if I wanted to do stat chasing 72 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:48,520 with with Trico. And I honestly never really 73 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:52,760 thought about doing fantasy football while I was at my NBA. 74 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,320 But then I was like, oh, this is a cool opportunity. 75 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,360 I have some free time. I'm not working full time. 76 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:01,080 I can do this on a Friday or whatever and let's see how it 77 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,280 goes. And from there, that show I 78 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:06,560 thought went great. Love doing that pitch. 79 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:10,760 Davis and Pat on ADP chasing. I thought that that went much 80 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:12,440 better than I expected. Kind of had an audience from 81 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:14,240 that and that kind of spiraled to. 82 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,120 You'd be much better than expected. 83 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:19,399 What'd you say? What do you mean much better 84 00:04:19,399 --> 00:04:20,399 than expected? Well. 85 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:24,760 You know it's. Pretty It's a pretty nerdy show. 86 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:28,760 When you do something as nerdy as hyper, specifically tracking 87 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:32,760 where other nerds are taking fake fantasy players in one 88 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:37,720 specific contest on one specific applet, that's a pretty hyper 89 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:39,400 niche show. That is true. 90 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:43,080 Actually the response was quite, quite good, much better than 91 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,320 than I think we all expected. Not that we have some crazy like 92 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,960 not there's 100,000 people tuning into ADB chasing. 93 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:52,440 I get it just in in the context of like a niche fantasy show. 94 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:56,200 I thought it it did well. And like, you know, frankly, 95 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,360 I've had a lot of industry people reach out to me and 96 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:00,320 saying how much they like the show. 97 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:03,480 So maybe it's like a a fantasy football show for fantasy 98 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:07,520 football analysts a little bit. That is, yeah, this this is for 99 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:12,480 everyone who styles themselves, you know, sort of sort of like, 100 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,400 yeah, oh, I'm, I'm on the sharper side of the industry. 101 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:17,720 You know, they're like, oh, I love ADP chasing. 102 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:22,160 Yeah, even though our collective listeners, if they followed our 103 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:23,880 advice, they they're probably not doing too well. 104 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,280 But that's. What size are moving up? 105 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:28,640 OK, they're moving up. They're good. 106 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,000 Friends in a bank examiner. Yeah, they're good for. 107 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,920 Yeah, exactly. So I, I share all this to say 108 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:39,040 that like fantasy football for me was like a bit of a side 109 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,760 quest in what I was doing career wise, what I was doing school 110 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,400 wise. That kind of obviously spiraled 111 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:48,440 into, you know, from a spot side quest to kind of the main plot. 112 00:05:48,840 --> 00:05:51,840 Over the past couple months I started more or less doing full 113 00:05:51,840 --> 00:05:55,520 time fantasy football work, doing a gig with ETR, writing an 114 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:59,240 article for them, doing a gig with Underdog, helping Pat out 115 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,000 with leg UPS, still continuing the show. 116 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:06,360 At the same time though, I I had this corporate job that actually 117 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:11,640 paid for my grad school. I'm more or less required to go 118 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:13,920 back and work with them. Not not legally or anything like 119 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:17,120 that, but I would suddenly have a lot of bills to pay for the 120 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,720 grad school that they paid for if I decided not to do that. 121 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,400 So this was kind of always coming. 122 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:25,880 They gave me a late start date later than I expected in 123 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:31,280 November, which is why I kind of scrambled to do all these 124 00:06:31,280 --> 00:06:33,680 fantasy football roles, kind of make it more of a full time 125 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:38,800 thing to plug the financial gap a little bit over the past few 126 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:44,280 months. But yeah, it's, it's, you know, 127 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:46,640 it does. It still feels weird to me. 128 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:51,960 I guess I'll say like I still have had some doubts about this 129 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:56,840 decision, like, oh, can I try to do something part time with 130 00:06:56,840 --> 00:07:01,440 fantasy and do this full time job at the same time. 131 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:07,640 And I sided on at least taking a long break from doing fantasy 132 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:10,720 football content. I think 6 months a year from now 133 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,400 already visit if I can kind of do both. 134 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:17,160 But yeah, it's just nothing exciting. 135 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:22,480 Just kind of financial career decision for me and that's what 136 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,600 it came down to. So that, that's the basics of 137 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:26,680 the story. I'll, I'll stop ranting. 138 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,960 But yeah, Davis, Pat, I don't know if you guys have any 139 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,800 questions or comments. If you do, feel free to ask 140 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,680 otherwise. Are are you going to be able to 141 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:40,080 take breaks from your bank examiner job to come on my 142 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:43,320 stream so that you can get your Eric all exposure next year? 143 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,680 I don't know, coming off AC out there that might be, might be 144 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:52,280 tough to get exposure. But yeah, I think, you know, I 145 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:56,760 don't expect to do 0 fantasy football streams next year. 146 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,400 I would love to occasionally come on as a guest for for 147 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:01,880 people show. So I'm sure I'll find ways to, 148 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:05,080 to get on their ways, get some, get some takes out there. 149 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,880 But it's I'd say it's pretty unlikely that next year I'll be 150 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:13,440 doing like a regular show. I don't want to say that's 100% 151 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,280 it's going to happen, but I'd say it's it's pretty unlikely 152 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,280 that I'll be doing like anything weekly or anything of that 153 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:21,960 regularity. It's a real twist that Sam 154 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,080 turned out to be the bank examiner in the end. 155 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:28,880 Yeah, you weren't able to draft much this this summer because 156 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,320 you're in Maine, but you do now. Sam. 157 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:32,480 Well, Sam's. Actually the. 158 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:33,919 Mole. He's the mole. 159 00:08:33,919 --> 00:08:39,159 The Bank sent Sam into our universe to be like these guys. 160 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:45,080 These guys have $3000 worth of Jalen Warren, the the the backup 161 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,080 running back on the worst offense in football. 162 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,680 We we need to investigate this immediately. 163 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:58,680 Yeah, I, I was hired by, I mean anyone who had any pro Keenan 164 00:08:58,680 --> 00:09:01,480 Allen takes this season, that was something I was sending 165 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,080 right to the bank examiner. They'll be following up with you 166 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,920 guys about that shortly. So yeah, I'm sorry, I'm sorry I 167 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,160 had to come to this, but I'm sure, I'm sure you understand 168 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:12,360 that things got a little out of hand financially. 169 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:14,760 Thomas says. Now I've become the bank 170 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:18,920 examiner, the destroyer of bags. So true. 171 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:23,080 So true, man. Although the JSN bags doing 172 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:26,000 pretty well, this is a good night for him to go on. 173 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:28,120 I do appreciate. I appreciate. 174 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,440 JSN famous famously I was in on JSN this year because of the 175 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,840 every stuff. Yeah, we're. 176 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:38,200 We're gonna find out. We're we're gonna find out that 177 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:41,800 Blake Corum was actually playing coverage for the for the. 178 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:44,600 Rams he got upgraded. From the practice squad, but not 179 00:09:44,680 --> 00:09:47,920 but but not not as a he or Cody Schrader. 180 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:52,040 Cody Schrader was, was playing cornerback or or or safety or 181 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:53,920 something for the Rams last night. 182 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:58,120 I, I mean, this is totally neither here nor there, but JSN 183 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:01,480 racking up 227 area yards, the most of any Seahawks wide 184 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,600 receiver in the Geno era, and having seventy of those yards 185 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,840 called back by penalty. So you look realistically like a 186 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:13,400 300 area yards game. I mean, we don't know nothing, 187 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:18,320 man. I know you think you know at 188 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:21,560 least the style of targets he's going to get, but we did not, as 189 00:10:21,560 --> 00:10:24,720 it turns out. Yeah, Jacob had a good tweet 190 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:26,800 that was like it. It's impossible to have a 191 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:32,000 definitive take of JS NS like projection going for it. 192 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:33,440 So I'm paraphrasing or something like that. 193 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,880 But it's locked like 6 times today. 194 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:38,560 Like a being like he's so he's so back. 195 00:10:38,560 --> 00:10:42,680 It's so over it like like he had 16 targets week two against the 196 00:10:42,680 --> 00:10:45,200 Patriots, but then he was Jackson Smith Majigba again. 197 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:46,200 So what? What do you do? 198 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,000 What do you do? I have no idea. 199 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:52,480 I have no way to diagnose it. Yeah, I don't know either. 200 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,480 Anyways, final thing I do have a right is he, is he picking up 201 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:59,600 the Locket mantle? Is that, is that what it is? 202 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:03,080 You know we're going to under draft him for eight straight 203 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,920 years. Yeah, I don't know. 204 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:12,720 Yeah, Locket, because he, I feel like he started off his career 205 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,480 being kind of like more boring and consistent and then he 206 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:19,160 emerged into being like extremely volatile and like 207 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,280 you'd either start him and get 2 points or you'd bench him and 208 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:25,720 get like 40. So I don't know, I guess that's 209 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,240 a little bit of JSN. Like last year he was kind of 210 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:32,280 stable but boring, and this year he's either 0 or 100 each week. 211 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:38,720 It's, it's a weird season anyways, This show, it's, it's 212 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:42,400 always jarring in the show to to try to be genuine and earnest. 213 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:43,960 That's not really what we're about here, but. 214 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:45,920 Really, really not our bit here on. 215 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:50,560 ADP It's no, it's not. So it's very discordant, but I 216 00:11:50,560 --> 00:11:53,720 do I did kind of do some reflecting and I wanted to give 217 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:57,120 a couple like pieces of advice for anyone who's interested in 218 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:00,920 doing fantasy football content or thinking about it as a 219 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,160 career. I I had a couple things I wanted 220 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:07,760 to get out there. My first thing is, if you have 221 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,320 any aspirations of doing it or you think it's something you're 222 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,640 interested in and you have time, just go ahead and start making 223 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,160 content. Start a YouTube channel and 224 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,760 start doing streams. Post your takes on Twitter, 225 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:22,720 start a free blog. Like there's a lot of ways in 226 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:26,840 2024 where you can get content out there for free and build an 227 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:30,360 audience organically. And I think that if I'm 228 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,200 reflecting on myself, there was a large period of time where I 229 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,120 was interested in fantasy football and I followed it 230 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:40,040 really closely, but I just wasn't publishing any of my 231 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:42,160 takes. I wasn't doing anything with how 232 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,320 into it I was, if that makes sense. 233 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:48,400 So if I could go back to when I was in college or younger and 234 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:52,680 I'd started doing this earlier, that's maybe something I, I wish 235 00:12:52,680 --> 00:12:55,960 I'd doing. So I, I don't know now, now I'm 236 00:12:55,960 --> 00:13:00,600 almost 30, I have like bigger financial things to think about, 237 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:02,760 got a mortgage to pay off, etcetera. 238 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,800 And it's harder to, to make the leap into doing this as a full 239 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:08,080 time job. So that that's just my advice in 240 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:12,200 reflecting is just like start. Doing yeah, genuine, genuine 241 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,520 advice. This is in no way shape or form 242 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:16,320 sarcastic. It's going to sound sarcastic. 243 00:13:16,680 --> 00:13:21,520 I I do not mean it this way. Do 55 second fantasy football 244 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,000 tik toks post them on TikTok, post them on Instagram. 245 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,760 You'll have a bigger audience than than me by next week. 246 00:13:28,560 --> 00:13:33,320 No, no cap like 0 cap. You will, you will generate an 247 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:35,560 audience. I was really going to be honest 248 00:13:35,560 --> 00:13:38,440 about telling someone to do how if they really want to make a 249 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,480 living on it. I would say total, totally 250 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,000 unexploited space. Instagram. 251 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,320 Like, look, Holka Polka doesn't come on our shows anymore. 252 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:48,840 He, he, he does his own, he does his own thing. 253 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:50,600 He's huge. Guy's huge. 254 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:54,600 Yeah, yeah, I, I agree with that. 255 00:13:54,680 --> 00:13:56,920 Yeah. I don't even have any particular 256 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,360 takes on like where's best. I think Davis, I think you're 257 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,560 probably right there. I think, you know, YouTube's 258 00:14:01,560 --> 00:14:04,160 also probably a good place to, to monetize and make money that 259 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:06,480 way. But yeah, just start just like 260 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:08,840 if you think you want to do it, just just go ahead and do it. 261 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,280 There's no like traditional way. And that kind of leads into my 262 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,040 second point. Like, I don't know, I feel like 263 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:17,640 when I was a kid, I, I pictured like jobs like, oh, you, you get 264 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:21,440 an internship at a newspaper as a sports writer, and then from 265 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:25,920 there you apply to NBC and get a job as a fantasy creator. 266 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,440 Like there's, there's no traditional paths in fantasy 267 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,640 football anymore. So I think that's my second 268 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:35,800 lesson to anyone who wants to do this is just like, don't expect 269 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:40,880 a hierarchical career ladder from one place to the next. 270 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,680 It's it's really completely the opposite of that. 271 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:45,480 I think there's maybe some people in the industry, like 272 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,600 I've actually heard Pat wrote a Pat talk about this that did 273 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,480 enter the fantasy space and sort of that traditional route. 274 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:55,840 And I would say that's like extremely rare nowadays. 275 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:59,080 So I I would. Say don't do that at all. 276 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,000 I would say do not plan on going into the fantasy industry and 277 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,000 getting a full time job at Rotoworld or whatever. 278 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,680 I would say plan on being a contractor. 279 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:12,960 Start your own thing, a Patreon, a website, a YouTube, whatever. 280 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:19,360 Don't don't be like I'm going to I'm going to be a, you know, a a 281 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,680 a a W2 employee for establish the run. 282 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,960 That's not going to happen. Yeah, I would also say I think 283 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:28,760 the most important thing is do stuff you're enjoying doing and 284 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:33,560 that you are doing really well and focus on doing really good 285 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:37,280 stuff. And then like, I mean to the 286 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:40,320 TikTok point, I mean, I don't know anything about TikTok, but 287 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:44,240 I would going somewhere with it's like fertile ground makes a 288 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,120 lot of sense to me. But then within that framework, 289 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,280 I think focusing on making sure the contents actually really 290 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:54,120 good as opposed to try and like hack your way to it. 291 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:58,160 I mean, like ship chasing would be an example of like kind of 292 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:01,400 how I, I've been doing stuff for a long time writing at Rotobiz 293 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:02,960 and stuff. But ship chasing ultimately I 294 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:07,640 think helped me get hired at Roto World when I was like 7 295 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:09,880 years into into doing all this stuff. 296 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:13,560 So, you know, we just didn't, it wasn't, we just sort of wanted 297 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:19,120 to stream our drafts, me and Pete, like it wasn't any grand 298 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:20,720 plan. We just enjoyed doing that. 299 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:25,440 We did a high stakes team together as part of fantasyland 300 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,720 episode and that kind of like evolved into articles and then a 301 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:30,920 podcast and then live streaming and and all that. 302 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:33,640 But it was always like this is a we're having fun. 303 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:38,600 People are responding to it in a fun way and and enjoying the 304 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:43,720 content we're putting out. So I, I tend to think, you know, 305 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,320 to Davis's point, if you're going to be doing this as a side 306 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:50,040 hustle, it has to be fun, right? It has to be something you're 307 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:51,520 enjoying. You can't like grind yourself 308 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:55,800 down trying to do this thing. And I, you know, to the extent 309 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:59,600 possible, like keeping your expectations in check for what 310 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:03,560 like the immediate future might hold on it because, I mean, I 311 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:05,280 did, I did stuff on the side for a long time. 312 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:11,200 So yeah, I just doing stuff you enjoy doing and with people you 313 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:15,119 enjoy doing it with, which is kind of advice Pete gave me a 314 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:16,800 while back. Yep. 315 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:19,800 That has served me well. So I mean, this, this show would 316 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,040 be an example of that. You know, we're just, we're just 317 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:23,839 hanging out and having a good time. 318 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:25,640 Exactly. I think. 319 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:27,119 I think that's why people enjoy it, Yeah. 320 00:17:27,319 --> 00:17:29,000 Yeah. And yeah, for the side hustle 321 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:32,320 thing too, I want to say that that's like a totally viable 322 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:33,640 path. And that's what a ton of people 323 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:35,840 in this industry do. I think like I didn't realize 324 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:39,280 that until I became a part of it, that like there are a lot of 325 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:41,640 people obviously doing this as a full time job, but there are 326 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:46,280 equally a lot of people who they do one or two articles, I do one 327 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,920 or two shows and then they work a normal nine to five job on top 328 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:51,360 of that. And I think that's like an 329 00:17:51,360 --> 00:17:53,800 awesome balance for a lot of people. 330 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:59,560 I think me personally, I'm really obsessive and that's, I 331 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:03,720 think both one of my strengths and my falls that I, I really go 332 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:07,080 all in when I do something and I have a hard time like balancing 333 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,040 multiple things. I just know that about myself. 334 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:13,360 So at least for the short term, I, I decided not to go that 335 00:18:13,360 --> 00:18:16,560 path. But certainly that's very viable 336 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:18,600 for a lot of people. And I, I would say like a year 337 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,400 from now, two years from now, if I feel like I settled in at my 338 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,680 corporate job, that's certainly something I'd consider. 339 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,640 So, yeah, I did think that's a good point from Pat, yeah. 340 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,840 You did like ship chasing and stuff at ETR while you were 341 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,640 working like a corporate job for a while, yeah. 342 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:37,640 When I was at ETR, I did ETR as, as a side freelance thing. 343 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:43,800 Yeah, when I was, I was in a energy efficiency gig for like 344 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:46,840 10 years. But I started writing, I got 345 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:50,040 obsessed with Rotaviz like a couple like a year into that job 346 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,800 and I started writing, writing for Rotaviz like the year after 347 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,280 that. So I think I started writing for 348 00:18:55,280 --> 00:19:00,000 Rose in 2014, got hired at Rotoworld in 2021. 349 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,240 So isn't that so funny that I'm younger than you, but I like 350 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,240 literally like by the time you were at Rotaviz, I'd already 351 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:09,400 like I was the 4th ever writer there. 352 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:11,360 Like it was like me. Yeah, Davis is. 353 00:19:11,360 --> 00:19:14,120 When I talk about being obsessed with Rotaviz, it's like Davis 354 00:19:14,120 --> 00:19:16,120 and John Moore and Matt Friedman. 355 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:17,520 Yeah, it's like. I was there. 356 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:19,600 I was there before Matt. It was me. 357 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:23,640 Bales Fantasy Douche and John Moore were like the first 358 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:27,160 articles on It's so it's so funny how that works like. 359 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,640 The articles used to come out at noon, right around noon Eastern, 360 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:32,800 and I would just like be logged on refresh. 361 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:35,680 Refresh. Yeah, it was like four articles 362 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:37,480 a day early on cuz there were like 4. 363 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:42,000 Yeah, this is neither like here nor there, but I do remember 364 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,520 like my impression of Rhoda Biz back in the day, this is when I 365 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,320 was far less serious about fantasy football was like there. 366 00:19:47,360 --> 00:19:50,280 There's zero RB article, which I think was always Sean writing 367 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,560 it. I remember that being like me 368 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:55,720 learning about running backs that I'd never heard of before. 369 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,480 I was like, this is some like scroll of running backs that 370 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:02,120 like nobody in my league, like even those exist and I'm going 371 00:20:02,120 --> 00:20:04,040 to take at the end of my drafts and they're going to be league 372 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:07,040 winners. But yeah, that's it's just so 373 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,640 funny thinking back to how different fantasy football was 374 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,280 back then with with sleepers and and those type of things. 375 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:20,080 ANYWAYS, final piece of advice I have, and this is kind of like 2 376 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:24,120 pronged or two sides of the same coin I'd say for. 377 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:28,840 New content creators, I'd say like be bold about trying to 378 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:32,840 make connections in this space. Don't be scared or hesitant to 379 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:37,240 reach out to people who you think might be too good for you. 380 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,680 Don't have enough time for you. It's not always going to work. 381 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:44,400 And I'm not saying like spam every content creator and say, 382 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,120 hey, you want to start a podcast with me. 383 00:20:46,120 --> 00:20:48,320 Like obviously that that's not going to work. 384 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:53,280 You have to get some level of credentials first are, are 385 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,160 getting established. But I would say for me, like I 386 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,920 reached out to both of you guys to start this ADP chasing show. 387 00:20:59,920 --> 00:21:03,920 I had, I don't know, 900 followers on on Twitter. 388 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,640 I had no idea if you guys are going to want to do it. 389 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,840 And for a while I was like, oh, is this like a stupid idea to, 390 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,160 to reach out to you guys to see if you want to do it. 391 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,920 And it ended up being a great decision for me in this space. 392 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:16,720 So I'm not saying it's always going to work. 393 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:21,920 Like I, I feel like early on I was bold about that and got some 394 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:25,320 people to, you know, some big names in the space to come on 395 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,760 the show to collab with me. And other people I asked said 396 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:32,480 no. But I think that's like part of 397 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,360 fantasy football. I think most people in the space 398 00:21:35,360 --> 00:21:40,440 are like really supportive and willing to do a guest show on, 399 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:45,880 on your podcast and support, you know, less established content 400 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:46,960 creators. And that's kind of the other 401 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:51,040 side of it is like, I'd say like if you do have an established 402 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:54,240 audience, and I think both Davis, you and Pat have been 403 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,560 great about this, like be supportive of up and coming 404 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:03,280 content creators, you know, retweet their stuff on Twitter, 405 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:07,640 have them on your shows, go on on their shows and kind of pay 406 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:09,760 it back that that's kind of how I viewed it. 407 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,360 I feel like I've had a lot of good mentors in this space that. 408 00:22:12,360 --> 00:22:14,960 That's a big thing. I'm I'm, I'm pretty good about 409 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,040 like retweeting or whatever. I don't always go on other 410 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:21,160 people's shows a lot 'cause I'm like I do 90 hours of content a 411 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,160 week and sometimes it's a bit, it's a bit much. 412 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:28,240 But like I like, I know like like JJ and Reebs will just like 413 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,360 if you ask them to go on a show, pretty much they'll just do it 414 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:35,160 'cause I mean they were like JJ was around, he did the rotor 415 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:36,760 world thing, you know, before I even did. 416 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,360 So like they're, they're pretty big on on paying it for. 417 00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:43,040 Which is not to say that if you have 3 YouTube subscribers and 418 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:44,440 you start a show. That, like JJ will. 419 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,560 Be your first guest, like maybe you will, I don't know, but 420 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,480 generally speaking a lot of people are are down to pay it 421 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,560 forward. Yeah, and I think it helps to 422 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,840 just like this goes to the TikTok idea and stuff like that. 423 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,600 It just like kind of just doing it because it helps. 424 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,200 Like I don't think it didn't matter how many follows you 425 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,880 follows. You had Sam, you had been on 426 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,280 stat chasing. So we need to be on camera and 427 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,280 do analysis. That's yeah. 428 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,040 It's like, can you like, you know? 429 00:23:13,360 --> 00:23:14,880 No, it's a. It's a pretty big do, yeah. 430 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,680 Because a lot of people are not good on camera. 431 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:18,080 Right. So if you're if you're good on 432 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,960 camera and you can do analysis, right, or if you're can do 433 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:22,400 analysis and you're a good writer, right? 434 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,640 Those are the two things like that I would be interested in 435 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:30,880 knowing, you know, and it's hard to know unless I'm like, Oh 436 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,080 yeah, I see you doing it and it's good. 437 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:34,920 So there's that's good, you know. 438 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,360 Yeah, that's a really good point because I, I remember too in in 439 00:23:37,360 --> 00:23:39,880 the early days of statues and like talking to, I think it was 440 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,720 Pete, maybe not you, Pat. I was like, oh, Pete, what do 441 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,440 you think about getting guests on the show? 442 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,360 Like, I think it could be fun. And he was like, honestly, like, 443 00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:49,600 I think you guys just aren't quite ready for it yet. 444 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,080 You like got to get your own cadence down. 445 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:55,560 I think that was great advice. Like having 10 whatever streams 446 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:59,440 under my belt before I tried layering in guests like yeah 447 00:23:59,440 --> 00:23:59,720 you. Got. 448 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,920 You got to get reps in first. So, yeah, whether that's a solo 449 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,320 stream or you have a buddy that wants to do it with you, like 450 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:11,560 get get reps in first. And but yeah, anyways, I just 451 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:15,440 say like, don't like worst thing that can happen. 452 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,760 You ask Pat, you ask me to come on your podcast and I'll say, 453 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,480 sorry, I'm too busy, I don't have time. 454 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,200 Like I, I feel like there was this huge barrier I was making 455 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,560 up of like, oh, what if I ask someone and they say like, fuck 456 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,720 off, I'm not interested. Like who who who cares, man? 457 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,400 Like if. It's not really the space it is, 458 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,120 yeah. To be honest, if you ask me and 459 00:24:32,120 --> 00:24:34,280 I don't want to do it, I probably just won't respond and. 460 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,560 Yeah, and that's fine. Yeah, and the world, the world, 461 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,840 we could just move on. Exactly, Yeah. 462 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,600 So don't, don't be discouraged by that. 463 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,600 But yeah, that's, that's all I had hope. 464 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,000 Hopefully that's helpful for for someone out there. 465 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,160 And I definitely don't want this to be a lesson of like, oh, I, I 466 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,920 think this is a terrible space and you have no future in it. 467 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:56,880 And this is all dark and gloomy like. 468 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:02,360 I, I think I, I leave today, I leave fantasy football content 469 00:25:02,360 --> 00:25:05,640 creation, like being pretty happy about what I've done and 470 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,640 thinking like if I wanted to make a career doing this, I 471 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,200 could do it. It wouldn't be easy. 472 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,560 It's, it's a really tough space. It's, it's going to be a grind, 473 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:18,640 But there, there's still a career for people who, who want 474 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,680 to do this as a full time job or want to do as a side gig. 475 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,280 So yeah, don't I don't want my final word to be like, oh, this 476 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,080 like be discouraged or give up on doing this. 477 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,480 Like that's certainly not what I'm what I'm trying to say here. 478 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:36,080 So that's my final word, Yeah. Anything else Davis patter? 479 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,600 Should we get into the the truth serum takes? 480 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:40,840 Then we can dive into it. We'll. 481 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:41,920 Miss you buds. Do it. 482 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,360 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hang on, I got to reload this. 483 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,560 I'll be right back. OK, All right. 484 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:54,520 So changing gears here. We did a truth serum takes show 485 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:59,280 for our last ADP chasing this offseason. 486 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:04,400 We're going to go through those takes 1 by 1 and we had, there 487 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,520 was actually an independent, independent panel of judges that 488 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,920 created each of our takes like kind of like a report card. 489 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,200 Yeah, that was actually just me, but. 490 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,880 Yeah, I didn't expect. I was worried. 491 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,360 I was worried it would, it would really violate those sort of the 492 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,320 ethic of the show or whatever to, yeah, to have someone come 493 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,960 in and objectively do this. No, no, it was just all me. 494 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,680 And it was. Actually, just Pete, Pete, Pete 495 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,240 just came in. Pete, actually. 496 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:36,320 Hired Pete would be too much. Pete hired someone actually with 497 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,440 with his BR winnings to to to greet him. 498 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:40,760 Exactly. Yeah, yeah. 499 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,560 But that. Person was Sam. 500 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,680 So we'll start here and last thing I'll say, yeah, the the 501 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,360 bank examiner took my PowerPoint license. 502 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,920 I thought that was a little unnecessary, but I had to make 503 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:55,960 these slides and and Google Slides. 504 00:26:56,360 --> 00:27:01,200 So the quality is has gone down. Just wanted to get that out 505 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,000 there. Anyways, my we're going to start 506 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,120 with my first take. We did one team level take. 507 00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:08,840 We did one player level take. We did 1 roster construction 508 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,000 level take. We're going to start with the 509 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:14,880 team level takes. First my first one summary. 510 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:19,360 I basically said Colt stink. My actual take was the Colts top 511 00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:22,680 three skilled players are massively overvalued because the 512 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,640 market's overconfident that Anthony Richardson could lead a 513 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,640 confident NFL offense. This take was almost too good 514 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,160 because it actually got Anthony Richardson benched to the point 515 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,200 where the the pieces around. Downtowns is now actually really 516 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,240 a good pick. Yeah, yeah, except. 517 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,520 Except not even except like kind of not even because Joe Flacco 518 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,120 can't even maintain APPR scam because he's 41 or whatever. 519 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,320 Pittman and Taylor, and I think we talked about this when you 520 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,360 made the take, is that that Pittman and Taylor were, you 521 00:27:53,360 --> 00:27:56,640 know, much worse picks than Downs because they were very 522 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,440 expensive. Yeah. 523 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,640 So, yeah, to be clear, I said the the top three players. 524 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,000 So I was referring to Pittman, Taylor and Richardson. 525 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,080 I was actually, I think where we disagreed on the offseason show 526 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,560 was I was out on Richardson too. You you guys were a little bit, 527 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,840 I don't think either of you guys were taking like huge stands on 528 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:13,520 Richardson. Not huge. 529 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,440 Stands, but I was definitely in. I was. 530 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,000 Exactly, Yeah. I just didn't. 531 00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:20,080 I just could not have my name attached to an Anthony 532 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,840 Richardson fade knowing that he could score 19 rushing 533 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,840 touchdowns. But I wish, I wish I 'cause I 534 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,920 didn't draft, obviously the reason I didn't draft him was 535 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,360 just luck, 'cause I have 20% of the worst quarterback in 536 00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:34,960 fantasy, Patrick Mahomes. Mahomes, in a way, kind of saved 537 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:36,560 me from Rich. I would have had a lot of 538 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,040 Richardson. Probably I would have more. 539 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:40,840 Richardson but he has the same bias. 540 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,000 Drake May. So yeah, that that helped a 541 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:44,680 little bit. No. 542 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,680 And Jane and Jane Daniels. So it was it was it was tough, 543 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,080 honestly. And Lamar. 544 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:50,960 So it's like, well, it's not even close. 545 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,240 So I'm choosing a week 14 by a quarterback I want. 546 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,320 Right, right, right, right. Yeah. 547 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,680 Yeah, I, I don't know what like the the lesson here is going 548 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,360 forward and this also I'll say that like I think it's firmly in 549 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,240 play that they go back to Richardson at some point and he 550 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,000 could. I I don't know man, you. 551 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,000 Think it's over? So like we've already gotten the 552 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:10,760 report that teams have reached out to trade him. 553 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,440 Like basically the reporting is not dissimilar from the Bryce 554 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,240 Young reporting, the reporting very similar to the Bryce Young 555 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,840 reporting and and a much weirder organization. 556 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,800 Like the Panthers are a weird organization, the Colts are 557 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,600 weirder. Jim Ursay's daughter is on the 558 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,960 sideline in a full uniform with a headset on. 559 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,160 Yeah, What's going on? What? 560 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:43,760 No Google it Fact Check true. He was doing this, she was doing 561 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,880 this last year too, apparently. I saw this on Twitter. 562 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,280 Yeah. I don't know what that means, 563 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,800 like what role she has in the sidelines or or what's going on 564 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:57,480 there, but certainly seems bizarre that she's on the. 565 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:01,640 Side right behind Steiken. Standing right behind Steiken. 566 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,160 Dude, this is a. Does she have a role? 567 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,800 Is she like on? Is she a an executive or 568 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,280 something? I don't know who. 569 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:14,240 Knows who knows, but it's it's they I mean, this is a team that 570 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,720 hired Jeff Saturday from coaching high school football. 571 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,640 Now he's on TV, he's not even a coach anymore. 572 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,560 Like. He was on TV when they hired 573 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,160 him. Yeah, he was on ESPN. 574 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:28,720 So basically, in my opinion, I think that if you made me bet it 575 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:34,200 either side -110 is Richardson the starting quarterback for the 576 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:35,400 Colts next season? I I. 577 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,040 I I would. Probably. 578 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:38,400 Say no. Probably. 579 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,600 Say it seems so bizarre, it seems so bizarre to me that 580 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,120 they're willing to give up on him this quickly. 581 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,080 I, I, I actually don't think like if the plan was to bench 582 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,360 him for a couple games, take some heat off him, have him work 583 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,440 on some things in practice and they go back to him like week 584 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,280 12. I actually don't think that's 585 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,680 like that terrible of a plan. You can certainly argue it. 586 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,360 If there is completely giving up on him to roll Joe Flacco out 587 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:03,520 there, I'm like, yeah, that makes absolutely no sense to me. 588 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,920 It makes so it's very strange because it goes against sort of 589 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:12,880 basic self preservation like Steiken needs to. 590 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,400 The Steiken's not going to keep his job and Ballard's not going 591 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,360 to keep his job if the Anthony Richardson thing is a total 592 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,840 disaster. Exciting came from Philadelphia, 593 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,360 right? Like he's, he helped Hertz 594 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,080 develop. Like that's the that's the idea. 595 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,160 So we're going to bring him in and he's going to help Anthony 596 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,120 Richardson become this this dual threat. 597 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,800 I. I don't understand I you almost 598 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:42,440 have to bring Richardson back if you think there's any chance of 599 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,240 you keeping your job. Maybe they're just like there 600 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:45,560 isn't. I'm going to get fired and I 601 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,120 want to go out with Joe Flacco like, but it it doesn't really 602 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,480 make sense to me. Similarly to like the Canalis 603 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:51,880 stuffer. I'm like, you're going to get 604 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,800 fired with Andy Dalton playing like this because no way you're 605 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,640 keeping your job. If like, I mean, I think this 606 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,760 thumb spraying may have like saved Canalice's job, you know, 607 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,760 because they they put Bryce Young back out on the field and 608 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,440 he's at least showing like more promise than he did before. 609 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,120 Probably not, but like that's the only path. 610 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,640 Like you have to show development from the young 611 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,080 quarterback. That's otherwise like, what is 612 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,440 the point, right? We're going to, we're going to 613 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,680 reset, we're going to we're going to get a new quarterback, 614 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,280 bring a new quarterback in. We're keeping the same coaching 615 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,120 staff that failed with the old quarterback like that rarely 616 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:29,680 happens. Yeah, so yeah, I I want to see 617 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,080 what the Colts actually do before I'm like too harsh on 618 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,600 them here. Like if if they are just playing 619 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,320 Flack for a couple games and go back to Anthony Richardson, I 620 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:38,760 don't think that's the craziest plan. 621 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,960 But yeah, I think that's what Davis has a point that. 622 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,120 Like that game was winnable last night though, and they they they 623 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,760 were calling like they called a third and short zone read with 624 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,400 Flacco as the quarterback. What? 625 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,280 Yeah. It's tough because I'm on both 626 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,560 minds of this because like, I think it's also entirely 627 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,240 possible Flacco comes out the next couple weeks and looks a 628 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,000 lot better like this. This Vikings defense has given 629 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,320 everybody trouble this year besides basically the Rams on 630 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,160 Thursday night last week. Like they made they made Stroud 631 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:14,160 with a healthy Nico Collins and Von Dix look really bad. 632 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:18,880 Like, so I don't want to judge Flacco too much based on this 633 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,680 one game. It was really ugly last night 634 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,800 and was just a terrible luck. But yeah, I'll, I'll give it a 635 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,120 little bit of time. Pat, you had something to say 636 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,880 there or? Yeah, I mean, people, I guess 637 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,240 what I would say is from a long term perspective, you know, 638 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:39,480 don't like it's over, this is over now. 639 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,800 Like this doesn't happen to a quarterback who's going to be 640 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,240 someone that we ever really want to draft in baseball again. 641 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:51,480 I think like I was assuming too much job security this year with 642 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:56,880 the assumption that Daikon wouldn't blow up his own head 643 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,760 coaching career, which this to me feels very much like. 644 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,760 Like it's hard to imagine. Worst move. 645 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:08,239 This this is Trey Lance. Well, it's, I don't know, it's, 646 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,800 it's like worse than Trey Lance, 'cause they there's no Purdy. 647 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,679 It's, it's different if you're a Super Bowl contender and you 648 00:34:14,679 --> 00:34:18,000 have a guy who's Shoni can play cause the other guy got hurt and 649 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,679 you're sort of like, yeah, we're going to go with that. 650 00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:23,239 Or you have a Jimmy Garoppolo, you know, and, and he's a 651 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,400 capable steward and your Super Bowl contender, but the team's 652 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,040 losing games are not going anywhere. 653 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:33,480 So anyway, I thought that there was more job security baked in 654 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,440 because Stiken would be really, really incentivized to not let 655 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,320 like, let's say hypothetically benching Richardson and then 656 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,480 having his offense look like total ass on national television 657 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,880 the following week like that. Just hypothetically, you know, 658 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:52,960 so I but I was wrong about that. And what I don't want to do is 659 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,719 ignore this going like someone said I was going to start next 660 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,600 year. Like I think most likely we get 661 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:05,800 a Jameis Winston style quarterback coming in a cast off 662 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,080 kind of a black OS type of guy. But it may be like a little bit 663 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,320 but but he's going to be the backup. 664 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,840 You know, we're not going to it's Richardson we're 665 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,440 recommitting to Richardson. That's like probably the most 666 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:22,360 likely thing, but it's going to it's over like you the way 667 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:26,480 Richardson became a great quarterback was continuity the 668 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,840 coaching staff building a system around him, specifically their 669 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,840 jobs tied to his success and he develops. 670 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,600 That's unless he like rebounds really strongly at the end of 671 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,720 this year and Stiken is is captain like I could see that. 672 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,120 But like a new coaching staff, he's done. 673 00:35:45,240 --> 00:35:47,960 He's done. We, we can't, we can't, we can't 674 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,280 get pulled back in here by anything Richardson related 675 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,760 unless, again, unless he like, comes back and really blows the 676 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:56,840 doors off at the end of the year. 677 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,840 Yeah, it's going to be tough. Last thing I'll say is listen to 678 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:06,320 Amina Kimes podcast, I think it was with Dominique Foxworth, I 679 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:07,920 believe is who does that show with her. 680 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:12,720 Sorry if I if I'm messing that up, but he like had contacts in 681 00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:15,640 the Colts locker room it sounded like and he didn't like come out 682 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,040 and say it. I think players are like a 683 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,440 little bit cagey about criticizing other players at 684 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,840 times, but he was kind of alluding to the fact that 685 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,760 there's things behind the scenes in Indianapolis in terms of 686 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,400 Richardson's preparation and things along those lines that 687 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,960 have not been up to parcel. I I don't think this is like 688 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,840 entirely on field performance for Richardson too. 689 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,760 You can still quibble with the decision and say it's a bad 690 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,360 decision to not let him go play through his mistakes. 691 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,000 But I think in situations like this, we we got to remember like 692 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,680 there's a lot of stuff in the locker room behind the scenes 693 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,920 that we don't know anything about. 694 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:54,520 And that plays a huge role in the decisions here, so. 695 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,680 I think probably it's too big a role. 696 00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,440 Like I think clearly they're like pissed off, you know, about 697 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,760 what's going on. But like, like zoom out, man. 698 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,720 Like you've got, you've got one shot at being a head coaching. 699 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,240 You know, you got to get this guy back out on the field and 700 00:37:09,240 --> 00:37:10,720 looking good. That's the only way you're 701 00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:12,560 keeping the job. Yeah. 702 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,880 And yeah, the independent panelists here, Let's see how 703 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,800 they graded this take. Oh, wow. 704 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,680 OK, that was that was oh, come on, that's an A minus. 705 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:23,360 It's it's too good. It's too good. 706 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:24,960 It was. Yeah. 707 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,880 I I think this is about as 10 out of 10. 708 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,360 All right, fair enough, Fair enough. 709 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,040 I always thought you meant that. I always thought you meant it's 710 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,640 top three weapons, not including Richardson himself. 711 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,800 But if it's if it's Richardson, Taylor and Pittman, then I 712 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,480 guess. Yeah, it was those. 713 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,880 It was those 3 and. Yeah, and Will and Will Mallory. 714 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:47,320 Yeah, and Will Mallory, I said. I was. 715 00:37:47,720 --> 00:37:50,960 I was taking stabs at each of the five Colts tight ends each, 716 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,040 all five of them. They're on the graphic I was 717 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,280 taking shares of now. God that remember that episode 718 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,200 that was dark. That was dark. 719 00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,240 All right, we're going to Davis here. 720 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,280 This one's a little bit more interesting. 721 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:02,880 I should have said this to start. 722 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,160 How we'll do these is I'll give it to the person who had to take 723 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,000 first to say how they feel about it now, and then we'll debate 724 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,960 it. So Davis, your take was 725 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,520 basically along the lines of the Bengals are more fragile than 726 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,240 the ADP suggests. You talked about different risk 727 00:38:16,240 --> 00:38:18,640 factors. Burroughs wrist, hand injury, 728 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,440 chases, hold out, tease, lack of guaranteed money. 729 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,880 Here's a picture of the Bengals players walking across a highway 730 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,640 to get to practice. Incredible real picture that 731 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,080 seems fake. It's not it's real. 732 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:29,640 It's. Real. 733 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,120 This is real. Yeah, this is not AI generated 734 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,400 real picture. So David, how, how are you 735 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,840 feeling about this take? I think there's pieces of truth 736 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,400 in this, parts of it, they're overblown, but what's your? 737 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,880 Opinion so the thing that has not mattered at all is Burrough 738 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,320 has been 100% healthy and Burrough has clearly been a good 739 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:51,920 pick in fantasy football. The overall Bengals being 740 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:58,000 fragile 100% real Jermaine Burton I mean the Jermaine 741 00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,760 Burton said this is breaking my brain. 742 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,400 He he gets the IT it doesn't matter. 743 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,320 I got a lot of Jermaine Burton. Andre Yoshibas is basically the 744 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:09,200 worst wide receiver in the NFL. He is amongst players with over 745 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,680 150 routes or more. He is third to last in targets 746 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,880 per route run. Like half of his receptions are 747 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,160 touchdowns because it's the only place he can get the ball. 748 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:22,080 Zach Moss and Chase Brown kind of played out exactly how he 749 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,800 thought it would, which is Chase Brown is clearly the better 750 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:29,280 player, but they just want Moss on the field for pass 751 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:30,480 protection. Although I thought it was 752 00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:34,200 strange yesterday that Trayvion Williams played three snaps. 753 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,760 Chase Brown got 28 touches yesterday. 754 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,880 Like like just kind of kind of, to be honest, I, I did not 755 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,960 really anticipate that much. I thought we'd see a little bit 756 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:46,800 of Trayvion. I thought we'd see a little bit 757 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,760 of Trayvion. Just to be tilted, like just to 758 00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:53,280 just to tilt us where where I think you have to grade the 759 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:57,280 clear correction or the clear, clearly I was correct, is 760 00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,840 Chase's holdout mattered. The offense started out so slow, 761 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,840 so brutal, so disjointed. And T's lack of guaranteed money 762 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,520 means that if he feels the twinge in his hamstring 763 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:12,960 correctly, he's not playing. And Chase's big games have 764 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,480 actually come with Higgins in the lineup because Zach Taylor 765 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,480 is a moron. Chase leads the NFL in 766 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:22,800 percentage of his routes where he is double covered and Zach 767 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,920 Taylor has no interest in like. He doesn't. 768 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,880 He doesn't just lead the NFL. It's like twice the rate of 769 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,360 normal. He's like literally like he like 770 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,520 25% is like fairly high. I mean, it's like, you know, 771 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,520 it's like a little high, like 60th percentile and he's at like 772 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,840 50%. It's not. 773 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:44,880 It's nuts. And they're and they're rotating 774 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,200 literally 4 tight ends. Literally literally Tanner 775 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:53,000 Hudson, Drew Sample, Eric All and Drew and and Mike Sickey all 776 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:54,920 ran at least 10 routes yesterday. 777 00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,800 So yeah, I think the the the only part I'll grade myself a 778 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,320 failure on is Burroughs wrist. Doesn't matter at all. 779 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:03,320 It's really. Healthy. 780 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,400 Everything else I think I was either right or directionally. 781 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,600 What about when he picked up that that Cam? 782 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,520 What about when he What about when he picked up the Gatorade 783 00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,760 bottle? That's harder to do. 784 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,160 What? What are we worried about? 785 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,320 That was, yeah, summer of fantasy football. 786 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,720 That was one we we've been a little harsh at points on the 787 00:41:23,720 --> 00:41:25,760 injury doctors. Shout out to the injury doctors, 788 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,200 at least the the good ones on Joe Burrows wrist. 789 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,160 They were all saying like you guys are idiots. 790 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:31,400 That doesn't that doesn't matter. 791 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,080 He's going to be fine. So shout out to them. 792 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,240 I think they got that call right. 793 00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:39,240 I will say, David, I think like this is a bit of an incomplete 794 00:41:39,240 --> 00:41:42,880 grade too, because you alluded to it, but with like Chase and 795 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,360 T's contract situations, yeah, I think they're also. 796 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:46,960 Not going to make the playoffs, yeah. 797 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,840 Yeah, I think this could get messy end of season with them, 798 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,520 like sitting out games with very minor injuries. 799 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,760 It's I. Mean it's basically are like how 800 00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,280 many games is Teigen's going to play this year? 801 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:02,400 Like 7. Yeah, I don't, I, I don't want 802 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,320 to like question these guys toughness because I don't, I 803 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,240 don't think that's what it is. It's honestly like, look what 804 00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:10,040 happened to brand toughness. It's no. 805 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:11,480 It would be. Stupid it. 806 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,400 Would be stupid for for T Higgins to be like, you know 807 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:19,600 what, I got to grit it out for this team that is going nowhere. 808 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:21,160 Well, you know what the other thing is? 809 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,720 We see this in fantasy. I've been, you know, guilty of 810 00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:31,600 this myself when when players play through injury, we don't 811 00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:36,440 factor that after the fact. We look at what they did on the 812 00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,680 field and they say, oh, they weren't very good. 813 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:40,280 I guess he's I guess he's washed. 814 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,800 It doesn't matter to us if they play through injury. 815 00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:44,840 You have to be good every time you're on the field. 816 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,480 I think it's in T Higgins. You know, his incentives are are 817 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:52,240 like when I'm on the field, I need to be 100% and making plays 818 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,080 and putting everything on tape that's going to get me paid. 819 00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,280 It's just a real like he just shouldn't be out there unless 820 00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,280 he's he's 100%. Yeah, he has a bit of a tough 821 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,520 calculus because I think that's if he plays banged up and is 822 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,960 100%, that's going to be counted against him in contract 823 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,520 negotiations. Now, if he like really milks 824 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,920 this quad injury to the point where they think he's like 825 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,520 faking it, that's going to hurt him not only with the Bengals, 826 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,000 but I think other teams going to look at that and be like, that's 827 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,160 a bit of a red flag for a guy we're about to pay guaranteed 828 00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,240 money too. So he has this really tough 829 00:43:21,240 --> 00:43:22,560 calculus. Now, I'm not saying he's going 830 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,320 to like totally fake his injury the rest of the way, but if he 831 00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,960 has any kind of minor ailment, I think we have to expect him to 832 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,560 sit. Bengals are also 4:00 and 5:00. 833 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,640 They have upcoming Ravens, Chargers, Steelers, then a. 834 00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,480 Couple this Ravens game. This Ravens game is massive. 835 00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,840 If they get smoked in this game on Thursday night against the 836 00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:45,440 Ravens then we are in firm. They might not be playing 837 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,920 starters in the fantasy playoffs situation. 838 00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,200 It's a tough schedule of defenses. 839 00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:53,640 They also play the Titans, Broncos, Steelers again down the 840 00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:57,840 stretch. So anyways, yeah, yeah, 841 00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,680 independent panelists here, Davis. 842 00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:02,280 I think they're a little harsh here. 843 00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:03,480 I I'm willing to bump that grade. 844 00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,840 Up I I was going to give myself AB minus I. 845 00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:07,800 Was going to give myself AB minus. 846 00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,040 I'll talk to the panel and see if they're. 847 00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,920 Willing to let them know yeah this is too harsh yeah it's. 848 00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:17,480 A little too harsh. Here's one that's interesting, 849 00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:18,800 Pat. Here's. 850 00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,680 Here's what I've noticed. Here's what I've noticed. 851 00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:23,960 You always go, I screwed up this game. 852 00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,640 You always go bearish because I can, I can say, hey, there's 853 00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,080 still, there's still time for this to turn, so. 854 00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:34,720 True always go bearish. Or we do this show after week 855 00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:36,560 three-week 3. That's that's week. 856 00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,280 Three, we're going, We're going. A+ Crane. 857 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:40,880 Crane. A plus baby. 858 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,480 Serum. Yeah, so for the audio listeners 859 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,560 here, Pat's take was backdoor Stack the Saints. 860 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:51,760 He was an absolute genius after two weeks now Shaheed's out for 861 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,080 the season. Derek Carr got another coach 862 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,120 fired. They lost the Panthers. 863 00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:57,760 This one's getting a little ugly here. 864 00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,520 I'll, I'll get out in front of it with my grade I or actually, 865 00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,400 sorry, the independent independent panelist. 866 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,680 They did give you AB minus they gave you some credit for how 867 00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:09,680 well the Saints did to start the year. 868 00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,520 I do think there's a world where the Saints offensive line 869 00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:13,880 doesn't get completely banged up. 870 00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,880 Rashid Shaheed stays healthy and this take still looks pretty 871 00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,280 good because look at the other quarterbacks you're comparing 872 00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,760 car to. It's Bryce Young. 873 00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,480 Who else was going really late? I guess Bo Nicks and Drake Mays, 874 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,560 certainly better picks than Derek Carr, but there were some 875 00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,080 land mines towards the end of drafts. 876 00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,720 Deshaun Watson, maybe you could throw in there as well. 877 00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:35,520 So yeah, that that's my opinion on it. 878 00:45:35,720 --> 00:45:40,760 Pat, I think you ran out bad a little bit, but maybe at the 879 00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,400 same time it it wasn't the soundest take. 880 00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:44,600 What? What's your thought on this one? 881 00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,480 The reason it so if I'm criticizing my take, it's that 882 00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:54,240 in almost any other situation I would also been saying we got to 883 00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:56,440 be hammering this eighth round running back when we're doing 884 00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,200 these backdoor stacks. Oh boy. 885 00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,400 I wasn't doing that. So right there there's a huge 886 00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,440 issue with the take. I've got a blind spot in it. 887 00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:07,920 I'm taking this tight end who's going to run 33% of routes, but 888 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:12,120 I'm not taking a not just a cheap running back, but running 889 00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,160 back who's the only Bible I like. 890 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,680 I was not taking Kendry Miller really at any point this 891 00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,960 offseason. I I just did not think he had a 892 00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,000 role. I wasn't taking Jamal Williams. 893 00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,600 So the Camara mist continues to sting and it continues to sting 894 00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:28,720 as part of this tag especially. Obviously Shaheed was a smash. 895 00:46:28,720 --> 00:46:32,080 You know, there's sort of like two ways to think through this 896 00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:33,960 stuff. You know, it's like everything 897 00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:35,840 that happened would have happened and we should have 898 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,800 tried to predict that, but I think that's wrong. 899 00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:40,600 Right. Well, if you weren't predicting 900 00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,040 Shaheed's injury, because I actually had that one. 901 00:46:43,240 --> 00:46:44,440 So yeah, you had the Shaheed injury. 902 00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:48,280 Yeah, yeah, the the Shaheed pick was an awesome pick, you know, 903 00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,080 so well. So getting on Shaheed was was 904 00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,880 good if you're betting on a lave, you know, I mean, taking 905 00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,480 the offense was DeMarcus. Robinson is still on the board. 906 00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:02,920 Yeah, that's that's. DeMarcus Robinson, by the way, 907 00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,440 I, I, I don't, I'm not even going to tweet this because I'm 908 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:09,040 so sick of everyone. But he, he, he right now is on 909 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,600 pace to set a, a Stafford era record. 910 00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,880 So Stafford's whole career of targets to touchdown ratio. 911 00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,480 I I did, I did search. Wow, he really is that good. 912 00:47:19,720 --> 00:47:21,120 Impressive. Anyways, I get. 913 00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,240 Get that was something up because. 914 00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,080 Shaheed was a smash pick. Let's let's be honest, like, 915 00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,480 yeah, yeah, yeah. Like if you had Shaheed 916 00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:33,360 carstacks, I think you actually played it pretty well. 917 00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,960 If you have I I think even though lobby was was a solid 918 00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,560 pick, he's just not, you know, the the second round's been 919 00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:46,680 brutal and obviously, you know, or is yeah, that was a a rough, 920 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,960 rough, you know, injury last last game. 921 00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,440 But Mac Nova sums it up. The problem with this takes it 922 00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,000 says Olave, Shaheed and Johnson instead of Camaro, Olave and 923 00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,120 Shaheed, which is correct. It's it's the it's the blind 924 00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,960 spot on Camara keeps this from because I mean, honestly, if it 925 00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:07,160 said Camara, Olave and Shaheed stacked with car, it's an A+ 926 00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:08,760 take. I just, I just have the blind 927 00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,840 spot on Camara, which continues to be a bummer. 928 00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:16,120 Yeah, yeah. And again, I'll just say like I 929 00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,960 think under told part of the story is the Saints offensive 930 00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:21,840 line. Obviously weeks 1 and 2, they 931 00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,400 beat up on the Panthers and Cowboys. 932 00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,760 That's a little bit fraudulent. But they're in the worst 933 00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,360 division in football, so like, you can reasonably expect stuff 934 00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,880 like that. Yeah, exactly. 935 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,120 And and the the online was supposed to be terrible coming 936 00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,720 into the season. It was surprisingly good through 937 00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:39,680 a couple games and then I think they had two starting offensive 938 00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,600 lineman go out before Week 3 or or during Week 3, I forget 939 00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,760 which, that that really hurt them. 940 00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,080 Not something that a lot of people are are mentioning, but 941 00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,320 it was a fragile operation. I guess you can point to that, 942 00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,200 but I think there was some bad run out here for the Saints. 943 00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,760 Well. If I'm going to argue for for AB 944 00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,320 plus, which I don't really care if you give me or not, but if 945 00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,840 but it's going to argue for it, it would be that. 946 00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:09,600 Part of this is that we weren't necessarily we were too high on 947 00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:13,480 the other backdoor stacks. So the Panthers stacks, you 948 00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,160 know, have been pretty bad. The Titan stacks have been 949 00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:18,840 pretty bad. I wish I. 950 00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:24,480 Could I wish I could call the bank examiner right now and send 951 00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,640 every Titans stack? Like can I trade that in for $3 952 00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:29,240 each? Yeah, because that's what you 953 00:49:29,240 --> 00:49:30,400 have to think. Like what? 954 00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:34,400 How many worlds exist where this would have worked? 955 00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,520 And how many worlds exist where like Bryce Young stacks are 956 00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:39,000 going to pay off? Like almost none. 957 00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,880 Almost no worlds where Titan stacks pay off right like this. 958 00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,000 It's just like it wasn't going to work. 959 00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:48,480 We we discover pretty quickly into the season the Bo Nicks 960 00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,320 stuff. I mean, Bo Nicks is a guy you 961 00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,400 want but the stacks didn't work. Right. 962 00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,200 Drake Mays a guy you want stacks. 963 00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,360 Hunter, Henry. Stacks are OK. 964 00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,320 Hunter, Henry Kendrick. Bourne maybe? 965 00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:06,280 Kendrick Bourne yeah, it's not like it's more about the 966 00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,760 quarterback than the stacks with I think both those rookies, 967 00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,880 although yeah, getting Hunter Henry matters. 968 00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:16,480 So, but anyway, I think part of the take was look, you can 969 00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:20,600 actually stack this offense and and the quarterbacks, you know, 970 00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:24,160 a little bit more locked in than than guys like Young and and 971 00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:25,840 Levis and stuff. Yep. 972 00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:31,160 All right, we'll move on here to our player Take section. 973 00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,400 My take. Home run A plus. 974 00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:40,240 A + A plus. Yeah, this one is a bummer. 975 00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:41,920 Obviously Niko got hurt, so right down. 976 00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:43,840 Well, right down to the hamstring injuries. 977 00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:45,440 Niko Collins is Julio Jones two point. 978 00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,320 O right now. Having hamstrings made out of. 979 00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,560 Exactly, exactly. He's he's too fast and too 980 00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,600 strong for his own body, so occasionally that's going to 981 00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:55,720 hurt him. But yeah, I feel really good 982 00:50:55,720 --> 00:50:58,080 about this one. I think that this wasn't just 983 00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,040 like a hot take for the the sake of hot takes it. 984 00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:05,280 It was based on the fact that Nico Collins had a three-point O 985 00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:10,640 plus yards for Outrun in 2023. He was like 1 of only, I think 3 986 00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,000 or 4 guys do that in the last 15 years. 987 00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,880 The other three were Julio Jones, Tyree Kill and Cooper Cop 988 00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:18,760 I believe. Maybe I'm missing one there, but 989 00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,800 I think it's just those 3 and I thought everyone was like 990 00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:25,400 tripping over themselves to make excuses for why it wasn't that 991 00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:26,840 impressive. I know he was a second round 992 00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,960 pick, but it's like, ah, we got to draft Marvin Harrison over 993 00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:31,160 him. We got to draft Drake London 994 00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,480 over him. You know, these these aren't bad 995 00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:34,760 wide receivers, but I was just like, why? 996 00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:38,120 Why can't we be more excited about Nico Collins? 997 00:51:38,240 --> 00:51:43,680 3 point O yards per out run? He's like 6 foot four runs A4440 998 00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:46,360 like I I just wasn't getting why we weren't more excited. 999 00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,400 So. Yeah, I think part of the Nico 1000 00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,720 Collins stuff was like, and it's something I've tried to do a 1001 00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:55,560 better job of it. Like when a guy is not a great 1002 00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:59,880 prospect but then he has a great results, we need to be pretty 1003 00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:03,480 quick and be like, well, we're wrong, you know. 1004 00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,000 And what was Collins was a third round pick? 1005 00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,040 I think so. Is that right? 1006 00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:11,280 Yeah, He was an early declare third round pick, kind of like 1007 00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:12,760 developmental. I don't think he was early 1008 00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,040 declare. I think he, maybe he was a red 1009 00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,320 shirt junior, but I'm pretty sure he did at least four years. 1010 00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:23,000 So so the deal with Nico was that he was a giga 5 star like 1011 00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:24,960 this. Like when Michigan landed him, 1012 00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:28,680 it was like a big deal and then it was Michigan. 1013 00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:32,400 So he just absolute like, you know how many let's see him 1014 00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:36,480 going forward passes. They threw his two seasons, 2018 1015 00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,840 Michigan Wolverines, they threw 347 passes. 1016 00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:43,920 His quarterback then I believe is still in in still in college. 1017 00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,800 Shay Patterson. It's 2024 and. 1018 00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:50,360 In 2019. They threw 410 passes. 1019 00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:52,520 He. Yeah. 1020 00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:55,920 Just. Really, really incredible stuff. 1021 00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:00,200 Yeah, yeah, I don't, I'm not sure about the earlier. 1022 00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:04,000 He was 20/17/2017 high school class drafted 2021. 1023 00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,520 So he was, I don't know if he's red shirted a year maybe, but he 1024 00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,280 was. But he, he was very much like a, 1025 00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,960 you know, he kind of Terry Mclareny. 1026 00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,840 I'd say it's like bet on size, athleticism, downfield 1027 00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:19,200 production, and he comes in and he doesn't do anything his 1028 00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:23,120 rookie year, but then his sophomore year was was better 1029 00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,040 and then his junior year was or not junior, but his third year 1030 00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:29,960 in the league was like amazing, right? 1031 00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:33,400 And this is his fourth year. Yeah, this is fourth year. 1032 00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:39,680 But I think I was like the thing I'm like a little bit annoying 1033 00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,040 with myself was like I was like, well, Tank Dell, I didn't really 1034 00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,000 like that much of the prospect, but he's so good as a rookie and 1035 00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,120 now I'm in. Nico has been. 1036 00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:50,840 It took a little longer. But to your point, Sam, what we 1037 00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,640 got in the third season was so good that it should have like 1038 00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:59,800 adjusted priors more thoroughly. Yeah, here's where, not that 1039 00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,040 anyone cares at this point. This is the weird part of Nico's 1040 00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:04,840 profile that was missing. He opted out of the 2020 season 1041 00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,560 due to COVID. So that's where there's that 1042 00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:09,080 weird thing. But you you're right. 1043 00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,120 Yeah, he was not planning to be an early declare. 1044 00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:12,840 He was planning to play, obviously, in 2020. 1045 00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:18,160 So, yeah, I think that's a good point that you make, Pat, that 1046 00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,840 because it's not always wrong, like being being skeptical of 1047 00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,840 guys who aren't great prospects like that serves you right 1048 00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:25,160 sometimes. Like that probably would have 1049 00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,280 served you right with Christian Watson. 1050 00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:31,480 I think on the spectrum of where I land on this compared to like 1051 00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:35,880 you and Gretchen, other smart analysts, not saying like I'm 1052 00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,120 right or wrong on this. Like I'm more willing, 1053 00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:41,240 especially with all like the weird like COVID stuff that's 1054 00:54:41,240 --> 00:54:43,440 happened the last couple years. I'm more willing to just say 1055 00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:47,120 like kind of throw out the college stuff once I see it like 1056 00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:49,600 once we're talking year 4 in the NFL. 1057 00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,880 Like I don't really care about his college stuff that much. 1058 00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,240 But again, that there has been some points for that perspective 1059 00:54:56,240 --> 00:54:59,200 of like, oh, keep in mind the Longview and his profile more 1060 00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,480 does does pay off. So it's it's, it's one of those 1061 00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:05,400 things where it's not black and white like it's, it's a per, 1062 00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,520 it's a player by player thing that you got evaluated on. 1063 00:55:10,240 --> 00:55:12,400 Yeah, I do. I think I would probably say I 1064 00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,680 was a little bit biased though, because to your point, like in 1065 00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:16,640 Year 4, it doesn't really matter and he's coming up this 1066 00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,000 incredible season. But I'm going, well, he did a 1067 00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,240 lot of damage with with tank out and everything, but you could 1068 00:55:22,240 --> 00:55:24,600 also have flipped that and be like, yeah, but he was the only 1069 00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,080 option on the team and the entire offense flowed through 1070 00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:28,920 him, which is like what we're looking for. 1071 00:55:29,720 --> 00:55:31,560 So yeah, so yeah, that's what I didn't do. 1072 00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:35,880 It's like, Oh yeah, he had like 200 yards when everyone else was 1073 00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,000 hurt. And I'm like that seems good if 1074 00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:40,080 the guys who's. Running bus alongside of this. 1075 00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:45,040 Yeah, it's like Robert Woods and whatever, Noah Brown and the 1076 00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,320 defense still can't stop him like that seems pretty good to 1077 00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:51,000 me, but. You know, yeah, but I I tend to 1078 00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:55,120 think I'm kind of coming around more to your side of like, let's 1079 00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:58,360 let's like throw out the prospect stuff. 1080 00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:03,760 But when we get bullish news, like, you know, let's let's 1081 00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:06,880 let's say you look, I mean, you know, This is why I was so on 1082 00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,840 Rushy Rice. Like that was an amazing rookie 1083 00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:10,920 year. He plays with Patrick Holmes. 1084 00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,520 Like I don't care any any draft capital behind him. 1085 00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:17,680 So there was getting. Stuck down by Patrick Mahomes. 1086 00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:20,440 Like think of how think like recontextualize how good Rashi 1087 00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,280 Rice must be given how bad his quarterback play was. 1088 00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,560 Like imagine Rashi Rice on the Lions with Jared Goff. 1089 00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:36,520 No, go on, man. Kind of recontextualizes Travis 1090 00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,440 Kelsey's career too. It honestly does I. 1091 00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:41,640 Mean he held him back. Yeah, Kelsey's even Kelsey. 1092 00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:43,840 Even better. Yeah, for real. 1093 00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:49,600 But I think I don't know, I'd still like willing to I think 1094 00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:53,360 like if a guy's had a bad rookie season, we should maybe return 1095 00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,560 to the prospect profile and see is there any hope for I mean, 1096 00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:58,880 Tank Bixby would be an example of this, you know, like it's 1097 00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,280 like it is a decent enough prospect profile bombs his 1098 00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:04,680 rookie year. I think in that case, you want 1099 00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,880 to return and see if there's any hope for, you know, someone to 1100 00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:12,320 overcome disappointment. But yeah, when you get when you 1101 00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:15,840 get stuff as bullish as what Nico showed in year 3, like this 1102 00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:20,360 doesn't matter anymore. Yeah, let's move on here to 1103 00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:24,040 another hot button issue of the offseason of the season. 1104 00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:28,520 So far, this one's been a yo-yo Davis's take was Marvin Harrison 1105 00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:31,400 junior's overpriced. I actually got the the real 1106 00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,440 quotation from Davis here, so I'm not paraphrasing. 1107 00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:39,040 He said, quote, Marvin Harrison is one of the most spectacularly 1108 00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:42,880 overdrafted players in the history of Best Ball Mania. 1109 00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:45,960 Davis. This one is going to be 1110 00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,720 contentious, I imagine. What is your grade on this 1111 00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:50,400 stage? Who could possibly contend this? 1112 00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:54,080 He's not. He's not even like the second 1113 00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:57,560 best rookie wide receiver. I agree, I agree with you. 1114 00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:00,080 But there are, trust me, there are people that are going to be 1115 00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,880 mad about this. Stage I I believe let me let me 1116 00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,840 let me check so I don't say something that is is totally non 1117 00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:07,680 true. I believe he has fewer fantasy 1118 00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:13,200 points than Xavier Worthy. That's probably close, but where 1119 00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,480 he hasn't played yet tonight, maybe on a points per game basis 1120 00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:20,280 or something. Yeah, so actually we'll jump to 1121 00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:23,600 this. The the independent panel of 1122 00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:26,640 judges also submitted this slide, which I thought was 1123 00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:29,960 interesting usually. Oh wow, the Jeff is normally 1124 00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:33,280 don't submit additional slides. No, they usually don't. 1125 00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:38,800 I think because Pat or P120K they he must have paid extra for 1126 00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:40,760 this. But yeah, this is Marvin 1127 00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:44,680 Harrison Junior versus a cohort of mystery players. 1128 00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:47,480 Yeah, I guess Pat, do you does this look like a fair 1129 00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:49,560 statistical cohort like Marvin Harrison junior kind of the 1130 00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:51,960 middle yards for route run. These guys very similar targets 1131 00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:55,000 for route run, very similar points per game, also very 1132 00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:57,000 similar, like if you want to argue the spike week point with 1133 00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,640 Marvin Harrison Junior. These other guys also have had 1134 00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:03,520 similar amounts of spike weeks in Yeah, spike, spike quarters, 1135 00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:05,120 Yeah. Does this look like a fair set 1136 00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:06,600 of comparisons patch? Sure. 1137 00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:08,720 Yeah, it seems fair enough. Go ahead. 1138 00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:09,320 OK, cool. Yeah. 1139 00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:26,400 So again, I didn't, I didn't make 1140 00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:28,240 this slide the the Independent. Judges. 1141 00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:39,440 Together but. We found our new T Higgins. 1142 00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:43,040 It was, it was it's it's Quentin Johnson having a better yards 1143 00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:45,120 for route run for me that I just. 1144 00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:48,080 I know it's too much. It's too much. 1145 00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:50,600 Oh my God. Yeah. 1146 00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:52,840 T Higgins too good for this chart this year. 1147 00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:54,280 No, he couldn't. He doesn't fit. 1148 00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:59,400 I I almost put T Higgins like 2021 stats on this or something 1149 00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:01,600 like that, but. Couldn't quite do it. 1150 01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:06,880 Yeah, my honest take on this is like he's playing the Rams and 1151 01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:08,840 this is the funniest thing. He's playing the Rams in Week 1152 01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:10,880 17. So what's going to happen is 1153 01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,560 he's going to go for 100 yards and two touchdowns versus the 1154 01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:17,160 Rams and no one, no one's going to be able to admit that they 1155 01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:19,680 were wrong about Marvin Harris on whatever side you're on. 1156 01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,720 You're going to think you were so right for targeting in the in 1157 01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:25,360 the first round because he had that spike week in Week 17. 1158 01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:28,600 If you were fading him, you're going to think you're so right 1159 01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:31,560 because you basically got fancy Quentin Johnson, Cortland son 1160 01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:33,040 out of him on a season long basis. 1161 01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:35,680 And we're going to go we're going to go into next season and 1162 01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:37,160 no one's going to be willing to agree. 1163 01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:40,080 He's going to be a 12 turn pick again and we're going to do this 1164 01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:42,800 thing all over again. So that's that's my take in 1165 01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,800 Marvin Harrison Junior is people are going to be stuck in their 1166 01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:48,200 corners on this one, but I don't know. 1167 01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:49,400 Yeah. Pat, what do you think? 1168 01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:51,840 Like stripping the irony out of Marvin Harrison? 1169 01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:54,200 What is your actual take on him so far this season? 1170 01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:57,720 Yeah, I mean, I think Marvin Harrison was kind of the poster 1171 01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:01,440 boy for this like thing we're all trying to figure out in 1172 01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,360 basketball mania, which is that like the end of season 1173 01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:08,080 production is just infinitely more valuable than the regular 1174 01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:10,920 season production. And you know, how how do we 1175 01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,560 weight that when we're drafting teams and putting teams 1176 01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:17,160 together? I do think that, you know, if 1177 01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:19,960 you're, if you're have a a wide receiver on your team who's at 1178 01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:24,800 1.8 yards per outrun, is a big piece of his team's offense, has 1179 01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:29,320 competent quarterback play and is already achieved this despite 1180 01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:32,040 being a rookie. I think you're pretty excited 1181 01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:35,040 about that, even if you had to pay the 2O2 to get them. 1182 01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:38,880 You know, I, I really don't think like he's in many, there's 1183 01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,680 many players. I'm like, God damn it, I have 1184 01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:43,520 this guy. I don't think he's really one of 1185 01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:45,720 those guys. Now there's other guys you'd 1186 01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:47,720 rather take it. It's more about who you took 1187 01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:53,240 over him than what he has done. Himself, sure, but most of the 1188 01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:56,200 players aren't wide receivers so it's probably more maybe more of 1189 01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:59,040 a larger structural. Thing, Nico Collins and Drake 1190 01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:01,640 London were the next two wide receivers out for him. 1191 01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:05,840 Yeah, Nico for sure. Drake London you'd rather have. 1192 01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:11,600 Yeah, no, I agree. I mean, I think he, it felt 1193 01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:13,560 steamy. At the same time, I was just 1194 01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:16,520 like, I'm not going to be out on this guy because, you know, he 1195 01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:18,960 could just be the dude. I don't think he's the dude 1196 01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,840 right now. But you know, CD Lamb had 1.8 1197 01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:25,040 yards per outrun in his rookie season or close to that in that 1198 01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:27,200 range. Lots of guys who go on to be 1199 01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:31,760 superstars are produced similarly, you know, through 1200 01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:35,400 week nine of their rookie season to what Harrison has done. 1201 01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:40,280 So I'm still, you know, pretty bullish on what his career looks 1202 01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:41,400 like. Yeah. 1203 01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:44,120 But there's always going to be this thing like, if he doesn't 1204 01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:47,080 hit the ground running in a way that rookie wide receivers 1205 01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:51,520 rarely do, ironically, even like neighbors did just that. 1206 01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:54,280 But if he doesn't do that, then it's going to be like, what are 1207 01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:57,160 we doing? And to your point, Sam, it's 1208 01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:59,720 just going to come down to what what his playoffs are like, 1209 01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:02,160 which is not, you know, it's like a really difficult way to 1210 01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:05,680 judge. But, you know, I do think he's, 1211 01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:09,760 I do think that even, you know, with this price, he's probably 1212 01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:15,240 more likely to be peaking at the end of the season than some than 1213 01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:18,360 some veterans, you know, because he his role can continue to 1214 01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:19,240 grow. Yeah. 1215 01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:23,760 So that's where it's just, it's, it was always going to be a 1216 01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:28,280 difficult eval because it was an insane price to pay relative to 1217 01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:34,440 what we've done historically. I I give Davis credit for making 1218 01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:36,480 the stand on it though, because it was not. 1219 01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:39,440 We just basically no one wanted. To be. 1220 01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:42,440 A Marvin Harrison Bear. No one wanted to put their name 1221 01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:45,160 to this take. So I think if if we're giving, I 1222 01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:50,760 think an A minus is too that's too kind as far as the the way 1223 01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:53,640 the takes played out because I don't think he's been 1224 01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:58,160 spectacularly overdrafted relative to the results, leaving 1225 01:03:58,160 --> 01:03:59,960 aside the comps that Sam put together. 1226 01:03:59,960 --> 01:04:05,160 But I do think that taking a stand against Harrison was 1227 01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:08,480 something no one wanted to do. And so I'm OK with the grade 1228 01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:12,600 factoring that part of it in. Yeah, I, I don't disagree with 1229 01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:15,080 anything you said. I think we, we've we've hashed 1230 01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:19,760 this out before on like the the late season rookie spike thing 1231 01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,760 and I've laid out why. I guess I just don't see like 1232 01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:24,840 why is Marvin Harrison more likely to be spiking the 1233 01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:27,120 playoffs than Drake London or Nico Collins? 1234 01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:29,720 Like these are also young players in the rookie contracts. 1235 01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:32,480 Like are they, do they have any like bench risk or something 1236 01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:34,360 like that that's going to prevent them from spiking the 1237 01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:36,320 playoffs? So that's a part of it that I. 1238 01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:38,560 And it gets up this high. I hear what you're saying. 1239 01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:39,160 Yeah. Yeah. 1240 01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:42,400 That's what I was never sold on. And like also the data backs us 1241 01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:46,040 up like Jack, Jack Miller's done articles on this that showed 1242 01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:49,640 actually it's the the later. He just does it by ADP, not like 1243 01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:51,200 draft capital or anything like that. 1244 01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:53,640 It would be interesting to actually do it by like NFL draft 1245 01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:56,760 capital. He just does it by like ADP of 1246 01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,440 where the rookies are taken. And he's shown that the last 1247 01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:04,480 5-10 years that the rookies that actually spike at the end of the 1248 01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:07,200 season are the later round rookie wide receivers, not the 1249 01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:09,400 ones that go in the 1st 8 rounds. 1250 01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:12,480 Now can you find examples of guys that spiked the end of the 1251 01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:13,760 season that were earlier around that? 1252 01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:15,000 Certainly. Can. 1253 01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:20,280 Definitely makes sense to me the way the NFL is played now where 1254 01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:22,440 these rookies just hit the ground running right away. 1255 01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:24,960 Right, right. That that makes total sense to 1256 01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:26,640 me. Like Marvin Hearson, Junior and 1257 01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:28,720 Lake Neighbor started their first NFL games. 1258 01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:31,400 Exactly, Yeah. I do think it's something to 1259 01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:34,640 like, if you look at kind of the way that offense is designed, 1260 01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:37,600 who you know, it's right now, I think McBride is the number one 1261 01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:43,160 in that offense. And you're if you take a guy who 1262 01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:50,240 is, you know, the number 2 on their offense, you're much more 1263 01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:54,800 likely to have that change in your guys favor if he's a rookie 1264 01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:57,760 or maybe a second year player over the course of that season. 1265 01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:01,480 I think that's that's kind of part of it for me is like Malik 1266 01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:03,720 Neighbors is not like he's already the dude. 1267 01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:05,760 So like his upside is just kind of is what it is now. 1268 01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:07,880 Like he's essentially Malik neighbors became a veteran in 1269 01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:11,440 like one week, you know, but Harrison is still in some ways a 1270 01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:13,680 Rook, even though it's playing time reflects that of a veteran 1271 01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:17,280 because I think at the end of the season, it's possible that 1272 01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:20,280 like he has emerged as like their clear go to weapon in a 1273 01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:21,400 way that he really isn't. Right now. 1274 01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:25,000 It's more McBride. Here's the the last thing I'll 1275 01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:31,640 say on this is like the Kyler stuff and you can debate if you 1276 01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:33,680 know Kyler's bomb is a little harsh. 1277 01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:38,280 I think it is fair to say that the Kyler Marvin Harrison junior 1278 01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:43,560 connection is not something it's a work in progress. 1279 01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:47,480 And I can also make the argument that like stylistically, I'm not 1280 01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:50,920 sure Marvin Harrison with his ability to like win on crossing 1281 01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:53,840 routes over the middle, which has been kind of underutilized 1282 01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:57,600 anyways, has not been a great fit with Kyler Murray, who's not 1283 01:06:57,600 --> 01:06:58,920 good at throwing the ball over the middle. 1284 01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:02,000 Like everyone saw the Trey McBride wide open end zone look 1285 01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:05,720 this past week, like literally Tyler Murray either couldn't see 1286 01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:08,680 him because he's too short to see over the lineman or his 1287 01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:10,960 vision at looking at players over the middle of field is not 1288 01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:12,840 good. So I just think like when you're 1289 01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:16,720 talking about a first round fantasy pick, you need so many 1290 01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:20,000 factors to to go right. You need the player to be 1291 01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:21,480 awesome. You need him to have awesome 1292 01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:24,280 chemistry with his quarterback. Like you, you know a lot of 1293 01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:26,680 things to go right. And even if you thought Marvin 1294 01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:29,600 Harrison junior is some unquestioned generational 1295 01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:33,840 superstar prospect, like, I don't know, I guess like give me 1296 01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:36,960 the wide receiver that already has proven that connection with 1297 01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:39,040 this quarterback and Nico Collins or or give me the wide 1298 01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:42,760 receiver with a much more experienced pocket passing 1299 01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,760 quarterback and Kurt Cousins and Drake London. 1300 01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:48,720 So I I don't know, I just think like the Kyler part of this was 1301 01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:51,360 like a little under. The stuff do the Kyler's a bum 1302 01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:54,920 people I I'm just wondering like are they able to see the final 1303 01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:57,480 scores of games? Like do they? 1304 01:07:57,840 --> 01:07:59,800 I don't agree with Kyler as a bomb for. 1305 01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:03,080 The rest like or or do you guys have access to like divisional 1306 01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:05,440 standings or like betting odds or? 1307 01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:08,800 Like EPA? Have none of that has reached 1308 01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:12,200 your corner of the Internet yet? It'll get there someday. 1309 01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:14,560 Standing standings. Like running back quarterback 1310 01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:17,439 8IN EPA or something. Just like might be might be 1311 01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:19,560 interesting for you to. I don't learn to read, learn to 1312 01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:25,880 read. I mean, Kyler has his flaws. 1313 01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:27,680 Like he's a very frustrating quarterback. 1314 01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:31,279 He looks like he's quarterback 12 and EPA for play. 1315 01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:35,000 Hire them Holmes. He's hire them, Holmes. 1316 01:08:36,319 --> 01:08:39,720 Interesting. All right, we'll go on here to 1317 01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:43,040 Pat stake another Cardinals player, he said. 1318 01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:46,479 Quote, I'm not sure Trey McBride is that good. 1319 01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:49,040 And then the argument I think Pat and you can correct me if 1320 01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:52,880 I'm wrong, is that he he looked to you like potentially just a 1321 01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:56,760 product of weak target competition in Arizona in 2023 1322 01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:59,680 and 2022 with Zacker, it's Ron Delmore, Michael Wilson, 1323 01:09:00,279 --> 01:09:03,240 etcetera. I thought this comment was funny 1324 01:09:03,279 --> 01:09:05,600 from the truth serum take. So the top comment. 1325 01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:09,479 I physically threw tomatoes at my TV screen when Pat said that 1326 01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:14,800 awful Tray McBride take. Pat, what are your thoughts on 1327 01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:17,399 on this one? The the main issue at this take 1328 01:09:17,399 --> 01:09:21,920 is that Tray McBride is good and so it just makes it hard to 1329 01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:24,800 defend the take. Yeah, generally if you say guys, 1330 01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:26,840 MIDI should. Not that rushing that rushing 1331 01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:28,760 touchdown yesterday. Yeah. 1332 01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:30,760 Well, of course. And, and you know, I mean, look, 1333 01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:33,600 obviously like Kyler sucks so bad he couldn't throw it to him. 1334 01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:36,439 Like clearly, clearly Kyler's just a bum. 1335 01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:38,399 So they had to give him a crat a rushing touchdown. 1336 01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:41,359 Right. Yeah, I had James Conner in the 1337 01:09:41,359 --> 01:09:45,000 DFS lineup that missed, missed the cash line by a point. 1338 01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:50,560 So that didn't hurt at all. But yeah, not me, who cares. 1339 01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:54,520 But no chair McBride is good. His yards per hour on is 1340 01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:58,680 actually slightly higher this year than was last year. 1341 01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:00,440 We didn't have any turn competition. 1342 01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:05,600 He's I think the number one right now ahead of Harrison, 1343 01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:09,320 which is impressive even if Harrison eventually overtakes 1344 01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:10,640 him. Like I don't think he needs to 1345 01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:14,000 keep as a tight end. I don't need he think he needs 1346 01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:18,160 to like play the whole season as the clear number one over a 1347 01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:21,920 generational wide receiver prospect to, you know, 1348 01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:25,600 completely sync my my mid take. So yeah, I don't really have 1349 01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:27,880 much of A defense. Yeah, yeah. 1350 01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:31,240 I mean you, if you had just picked Dalton Kincaid or Sam 1351 01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:33,720 Laporta, you had a lot of options here to. 1352 01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:39,360 Well, I think I did. I give it to this take into sort 1353 01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:40,880 of an defense of Marvin Harrison. 1354 01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:42,880 Is that like part of the reason that we're? 1355 01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:45,160 Got it. We're, you know, saying, oh, 1356 01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:47,520 he's going to be overdrafted is because of Trey McBride, but 1357 01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:49,600 like, well, Trey McBride was just in the right place at the 1358 01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:50,760 right time. Turns out that. 1359 01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:53,080 Was I will, I will agree with you there, because I was 1360 01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:55,200 rewatching the show today. This looked like a take you 1361 01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:57,280 really didn't want to give. Like you had you had something 1362 01:10:57,280 --> 01:10:58,840 else queued up. And then because we were 1363 01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:01,400 talking, talking about Marvin Harrison Junior, that pulled 1364 01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:02,000 this one out. Of you. 1365 01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:05,840 It was a truth truth serum take. I was on truth serum and they 1366 01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:08,720 Davis made me think of this and I had to say it. 1367 01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:12,280 I didn't want to say this. OK, this is the way truth serum 1368 01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:13,960 works. You have to say what comes into 1369 01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:15,800 your mind. Exactly. 1370 01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:19,240 Now, if, if all of our truth serum takes were good, then that 1371 01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:21,480 would be bad. That would actually show that we 1372 01:11:21,480 --> 01:11:23,200 were being dishonest as fantasy analysts. 1373 01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:25,200 You got to have some. You got to have some bad takes 1374 01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:27,040 in the back of your mind. There you don't want to say. 1375 01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:29,120 Yeah, unfortunately the panelists did. 1376 01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:32,160 Yeah, they asked to see you after class. 1377 01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:33,200 I don't really know what that means. 1378 01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:34,360 Oh, you're playing pickleball again? 1379 01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:38,200 What's going on? Yeah, they they were not too 1380 01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:39,560 kind on this one. Yeah. 1381 01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:42,520 Davis, any final words here before we move on? 1382 01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:45,520 He really should have just done Dalton Kincaid because that is 1383 01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:47,120 just like he, you know, it's like. 1384 01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:50,640 It was right there. Dunking on Dalton Kincaid now is 1385 01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:52,960 like you're you're just the globetrotters and he's the 1386 01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:55,000 Washington generals. It's like the it's like the 1387 01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:57,520 easiest layup you can make as a fantasy analyst now. 1388 01:11:57,960 --> 01:11:59,320 Yeah. He's yeah. 1389 01:11:59,920 --> 01:12:01,360 These are called intrusive thoughts, Pat. 1390 01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:02,280 And no, you don't have to say them. 1391 01:12:02,480 --> 01:12:05,400 You do want fruit syrup. That's the whole point. 1392 01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:08,720 The truth of thought serum is it would be another name for it. 1393 01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:11,760 And people thought the truth serum thing was just like a bit 1394 01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:15,440 like, no, we actually had real doctors comment and checked us 1395 01:12:15,440 --> 01:12:17,400 with. Just just off screen, I was, 1396 01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:20,760 there was an IV of truth serum flowing into my veins so that I 1397 01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:23,480 didn't, I was worried I would only say the truth serum stuff 1398 01:12:23,480 --> 01:12:25,680 at the beginning of the stream, but it was flowing. 1399 01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:28,400 It was flowing the whole stream. It was flowing the whole stream. 1400 01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:33,480 So anyway, Speaking of shitting on Don Kincaid, wow, another 1401 01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:35,600 another good take for me. That's so surprising that my 1402 01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:38,560 final show trying to bring up all my good takes that. 1403 01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:41,600 This was this is by far the worst of your takes because you 1404 01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:43,520 had to take George Kittle and Elite. 1405 01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:46,400 OK, I might have. It's ridiculous. 1406 01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:49,320 It was absolutely. Ridiculous I have to use the CNN 1407 01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:53,960 debate rules in this one, but this is what I said. 1408 01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:56,080 That you're getting this off before Kelsey. 1409 01:12:56,080 --> 01:13:01,040 Plays a point .3 ADP difference was enough to distinguish the 1410 01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:04,320 the tier for. Let's let's not get bogged down 1411 01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:06,400 in semantics. Let's just go with what the 1412 01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:08,160 fact. Let's go with the facts of what 1413 01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:10,600 I actually said. This, this is the facts of what 1414 01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:13,680 I actually said. I said straight up in points, 1415 01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:17,880 not not even cost adjusted. I'd say the tight end 7 through 1416 01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:19,960 12. You can bicker on 7 verse 6. 1417 01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:24,400 Fact of it is the ADP markets on all the major fantasy websites 1418 01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:26,440 that ranked George Kittle as the tight end 7. 1419 01:13:26,440 --> 01:13:28,440 I'm sorry they did that. I don't think that was right, 1420 01:13:28,440 --> 01:13:31,400 but but they did. I said I'd straight up prefer 1421 01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:35,200 the tight end 7 through 12 in raw points over the tight ends 1422 01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:37,480 one through 6. And as a result of that, because 1423 01:13:37,480 --> 01:13:40,680 I prefer their points straight up and you can draft them later, 1424 01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:44,800 that makes the tight end 7 through 12 much better picks on 1425 01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:47,760 a cost adjusted basis than tight ends one through 6. 1426 01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:53,080 Fast forward to week 8, top three of the top four tight ends 1427 01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:56,000 are in that tight end 7 to 12 range. 1428 01:13:56,440 --> 01:13:59,160 Some of the major boss have come in that tight end one to six 1429 01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:01,800 range, most notably I'd say Dalton Kincaid and Sam LaPorte. 1430 01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:03,920 LaPorte has been like the biggest boss because he was 1431 01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:09,320 first and then varying degrees of boss for Andrews Kincaid. 1432 01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:13,400 I mean, honestly a just a real suck out on Andrews that he's 1433 01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:16,680 not the biggest bust. God, he's not going to start her 1434 01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:20,920 basically and somehow not the biggest early tight end bust. 1435 01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:22,600 So. Touchdowns are the only thing 1436 01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:29,480 that matters at the position. Yeah, but yeah, I mean the 1437 01:14:29,480 --> 01:14:33,560 judges agreed with me again. I, I don't know, I mean. 1438 01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:35,720 You got to give yourself the minus for your for your little 1439 01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:38,880 your little George Kittle. That was so silly. 1440 01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:41,600 I don't get the George Kittle thing because I'm not trying to 1441 01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:44,680 get bogged down whether you call him an elite tight end or not or 1442 01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:47,840 or whatever, but like, it was true, he was the tight end 7, 1443 01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:49,840 right? I know, but it was sort of like 1444 01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:52,760 there was a group of this early group that he was clearly a part 1445 01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:54,920 of and then there was a secondary group behind him. 1446 01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:58,440 So it's a just like sliver him off and put him into a bucket 1447 01:14:58,440 --> 01:15:02,200 that he wasn't being drafted as was always a little bit of a, 1448 01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:05,240 you know, it was good. He was a, you know, credit to 1449 01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:07,000 you for, for making sure you did that. 1450 01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:09,240 But I always thought it was like sort of a silly framing of the 1451 01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:12,680 argument because we're taking, you know, anyone drafting these 1452 01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:16,280 early guys was pretty much into all the the early tight end 1453 01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:17,560 thing or the elite tight end thing. 1454 01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:19,560 We have to say early, because none of them are producing 1455 01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:24,680 anything, is that, you know, we want to be mixing up our bets to 1456 01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:26,640 some extent and making sure we're drafting these guys 1457 01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:28,200 because we saw it as a big opportunity. 1458 01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:33,720 And so Kittle would always been part of that group in that in 1459 01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:36,000 that strategy where a guy like in joke, it would not have been 1460 01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:39,800 Bowers was, but he wasn't a part of the elite tight end strategy. 1461 01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:44,960 Yeah, yeah, I guess my thing is that like, and I could be wrong 1462 01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:48,160 and I could be paraphrasing people, I think like the elite 1463 01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:52,800 tight end proponents were more so saying like you got to attack 1464 01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:56,600 all the top seven tight ends, like to an equal degree. 1465 01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:58,680 I'm not saying people don't have their their own player takes, 1466 01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:02,040 but like the elite tight end take was like all these guys are 1467 01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:03,840 huge values. They're all way underpriced 1468 01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:06,000 compared to last year. You got to hammer these top 1469 01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:10,200 seven tight ends. And I thought that was wrong 1470 01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:13,320 because it didn't factor in like how flat tight end one through 1471 01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:17,920 12 was and that you should actually like semi fade soft 1472 01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:21,960 target some of the top six, but like go way after like kind of 1473 01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:25,160 play chicken at the position and then go really hard after 1474 01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:28,160 Bowers, Kittle and Joker. Those those are my top three. 1475 01:16:28,160 --> 01:16:31,080 Well, that's where I I see, I guess I see you're saying with 1476 01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:33,360 the Kittle thing of like Kittle with the last guy. 1477 01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:37,280 So you basically let Kittle fall into your lap in round 6 or 1478 01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:39,920 whatever. So from that perspective, it, it 1479 01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:45,240 fits the strategy. But it think to me, what makes 1480 01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:49,480 your take correct is that Bowers was sitting there and a Joku was 1481 01:16:49,480 --> 01:16:51,600 sitting there. I mean, Joku needed the Watson 1482 01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:55,360 injury to like really get there. But like he's going to get there 1483 01:16:55,480 --> 01:17:01,480 and Bowers was obviously Jameis. Jameis, he'll get there. 1484 01:17:01,480 --> 01:17:05,000 I mean, he's, he's going to get there like 2 weeks ago. 1485 01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:06,760 Like that was already huge, you know? 1486 01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:09,800 No, that's true. Yeah. 1487 01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:12,280 I wonder. I'm I'm currently concerned for 1488 01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:15,760 Tillman and Joku now that they might go to Dorian Thompson 1489 01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:19,040 Robinson cause Winston is is so brutal. 1490 01:17:20,120 --> 01:17:24,920 The the other thing with this TIG, the whole thing with the 1491 01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:27,880 elite tight end and the elite tight end stuff's not going to 1492 01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:30,600 work as well as I was hoping it was. 1493 01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:34,280 But it's important, I think, to realize, like what the point of 1494 01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:36,080 elite tight end is. Like, you know, I've written 1495 01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:39,800 about it and it just doesn't really help your advance rates. 1496 01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:42,360 And that's not the point of it. The point is not that it helps 1497 01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:45,120 your advance rates. In some seasons, it might hurt 1498 01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:48,200 your advance rates a little bit. This season might hurt your 1499 01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:51,560 advance rates a lot. But the point is that you're 1500 01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:53,680 drafting these guys who have ceilings that aren't really 1501 01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:57,240 available later. Now, I think Bowers specifically 1502 01:17:57,480 --> 01:17:59,800 would be the big counter to that. 1503 01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:03,160 Like we had a guy who's the best tight end prospect ever just 1504 01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:07,120 sitting there, you know, Browns after these guys are going and 1505 01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:12,680 he clearly has a ceiling a when you a fantasy playoff matchup 1506 01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:17,680 ceiling that would be in line with these elite today. 1507 01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:20,800 I mean, he's going to go like top 3-4 rounds next year. 1508 01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:24,480 I think pretty clearly, you know, so that's where I think 1509 01:18:24,480 --> 01:18:29,000 the I think Bowers is kind of the the the real king of your 1510 01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:31,520 take, because you didn't have to pay for the elite ceiling and 1511 01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:33,760 you still got it. And I think a joke of those 1512 01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:36,880 still gives you that. I think Ingram Ingram kind of 1513 01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:40,360 gives you a little bit of a of a spike week ceiling now with with 1514 01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:44,880 Kirk out. So that's that's part of the I 1515 01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:47,320 think as far as framing the win of your take, it actually is 1516 01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:52,320 like there were true ceiling tight ends available after the 1517 01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:55,200 elite guys guys haven't shown the weekly ceiling. 1518 01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:56,520 We were hoping for the most part. 1519 01:18:57,520 --> 01:18:58,920 Yeah, that that was the point of the take. 1520 01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:02,360 It wasn't saying that like the idea of getting tight ends that 1521 01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:05,840 have high ceiling is bad. My point is just that the way 1522 01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:09,480 that the fantasy market was ordering the top 12 tight ends 1523 01:19:09,480 --> 01:19:13,200 was just like straight up wrong. And I, I, I was consistent about 1524 01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:16,920 this all offseason. So it's not me trying to do some 1525 01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:20,720 revisionist history like the eight round, seven round gap 1526 01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:24,160 between Dalton Kincaid and David and Joku, like literally I 1527 01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:29,080 thought had zero foundation in fact or with what they did last 1528 01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:30,240 year. Like there there was a lot of 1529 01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:33,040 examples like that where I'm just like, these gaps make no 1530 01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:35,160 sense. And reflecting back on it, like 1531 01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:38,640 all those tight ends that went in rounds 345, that's where the 1532 01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:40,480 smash running back picks are available. 1533 01:19:40,480 --> 01:19:44,880 That's where Kenneth Walker, Joe Mixon, Pacheco probably on track 1534 01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:46,200 to do that before he got injured. 1535 01:19:46,480 --> 01:19:48,080 Like there were some land mines in there. 1536 01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:53,160 But like, I think going running back there, passing on like the 1537 01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:56,560 quote UN quote elite tight ends by ADP and then getting very 1538 01:19:56,560 --> 01:20:00,880 similar profiles later was what I was consistent about all 1539 01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:03,320 offseason. So that's my point is like, I'm 1540 01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:05,200 not trying to say elite tight end was bad. 1541 01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:08,640 I just think like this was a very unique tight end market 1542 01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:12,480 that called for a different strategy based on the profiles 1543 01:20:12,480 --> 01:20:14,480 that were available and where they were available. 1544 01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:19,480 And I, I think I got a ton of things wrong this season. 1545 01:20:19,480 --> 01:20:22,240 So I'm not trying to be like, Oh, I got everything right this 1546 01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:26,320 year, but I, I do feel like I got this pretty right, to be 1547 01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:28,800 honest. Like I, I don't know, but. 1548 01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:32,520 I I see what you're saying like, and some of these elite tight 1549 01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:35,320 ends are still very live for like Travis Kelsey can have a 30 1550 01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:40,080 point week in the playoffs. Might have a 30 point game 1551 01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:42,360 tonight after having a 30 point game last week. 1552 01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:46,000 Might be. Yeah, Kelsey, one is weird, 1553 01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:47,040 right? Because that's a little bit of a 1554 01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:49,680 suck out with the injuries, I think you have to admit, but. 1555 01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:53,920 Well, but Kittle but Kittle's upside is is much higher because 1556 01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:56,600 of injury like. Yeah, all these guys are that 1557 01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:59,480 that's a funny thing about all these tight ends is like, I 1558 01:20:59,480 --> 01:21:02,480 don't think elite tight end is any offenses like preferred 1559 01:21:02,480 --> 01:21:05,400 strategy going into the season. Like honestly, all these guys 1560 01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:09,160 have benefit from chaos and Joku from the Cooper trade, Bowers 1561 01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:13,000 from the Adams trade, Dallas Goddard had massive weeks when 1562 01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:16,360 their wide receivers were injured, Kate Alton massive 1563 01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:18,600 weeks when their top wide receivers are injured, Kelsey, 1564 01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:20,960 massive weeks when the wide receivers are injured. 1565 01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:24,800 So I think across the board these guys like benefit from 1566 01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:30,080 chaos a little bit because none of them maybe maybe McBride is 1567 01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:32,360 the exception. Like he's maybe the one guy that 1568 01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:35,360 going into the season, the teams like our plan is to make this 1569 01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:38,760 guy our number one. I don't think like any other 1570 01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:42,120 tight end, the team had that plan going into the season, 1571 01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:46,880 unless I'm missing somebody. But anyways, we got to move on 1572 01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:48,040 from this point. That's probably true. 1573 01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:51,240 Yeah, Ours ultimately turned out that way, but. 1574 01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:53,840 But it wouldn't have been. Yeah, exactly. 1575 01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:55,360 Yeah. Yeah. 1576 01:21:56,280 --> 01:22:01,360 All right, move on. Davis and Pat both had with 1577 01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:04,640 their shoes the serum take some version of I'm paraphrasing, 1578 01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:08,720 we've gone too far with zero RB. Davis's take, they were slightly 1579 01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:11,200 different. So I'll try to explain what I 1580 01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:15,080 heard when going back listening. Davis was basically saying some 1581 01:22:15,080 --> 01:22:17,920 of these dead zone running backs are going to be huge values. 1582 01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:20,320 He talked about in the segment, both hits and misses talked 1583 01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:22,200 about. ETN also talked about mix in 1584 01:22:22,480 --> 01:22:26,920 Kenneth Walker some of the guys who have the big hits Pats take 1585 01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:29,600 was. The all time interstellar meme. 1586 01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:35,120 Like God just shouting. Just please, for the love of 1587 01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:39,400 God, listen to yourself. Yeah. 1588 01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:43,960 You just watch yourself put down this take after the after the 1589 01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:45,320 stream and just. Continued I. 1590 01:22:45,320 --> 01:22:46,960 I put it down and then. I was like, you know who's a 1591 01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:48,120 good, you know who's a good pick? 1592 01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:50,800 Might as. Well, might as well take another 1593 01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:53,280 Jalen Jalen Wall or Saquon Barkley. 1594 01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:54,720 I don't know. Why don't I take the guy who's 1595 01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:56,640 never finished in the NFL game? Sure. 1596 01:22:56,640 --> 01:22:59,200 Why? Good stuff, good stuff. 1597 01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:01,440 Yeah. And Pat, just to finish it. 1598 01:23:01,440 --> 01:23:03,200 Pat, yours was slightly different, but I think kind of 1599 01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:05,640 similar more or less. You were saying people are a 1600 01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:07,760 little too rigid with wide receiver roster construction. 1601 01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:11,480 You were saying and advocating for trying out weirder builds. 1602 01:23:11,480 --> 01:23:13,920 You called it like one wide receiver through 4 rounds really 1603 01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:17,880 hammering some running backs, elite tight ends and such. 1604 01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:22,320 So yeah, you, I think you guys are both like very right on 1605 01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:23,240 this. It's a such a. 1606 01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:25,720 Great season, think was better than mine, 'cause mine was mine 1607 01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:33,360 was saying like draft wide receiver and then a running back 1608 01:23:33,360 --> 01:23:40,720 and then like Josh Allen and you know, you know, a tight end, the 1609 01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:42,560 draft Josh Allen decade or something like that. 1610 01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:46,400 It was like more, it would be like wide receiver, running back 1611 01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:49,760 Lamar Andrews would be more, more of kind of I think what I 1612 01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:53,440 was experimenting with. So yeah, Davis's take, I think 1613 01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:56,000 just take the running back, the dead zone running backs. 1614 01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:57,600 It was just a a cleaner and better take. 1615 01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:00,480 It if you, if you look at it, if you actually other than in round 1616 01:24:00,480 --> 01:24:04,080 one, if you just took the oldest running back in each round. 1617 01:24:04,440 --> 01:24:05,200 You. You won. 1618 01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:09,000 So not not not in run, but Barkley. 1619 01:24:09,440 --> 01:24:12,680 Henry. Mixon Kamara. 1620 01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:15,720 I guess that's not true in rounds. 1621 01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:17,160 Oh no. James Conner. 1622 01:24:17,240 --> 01:24:19,720 So. Reached for Kareem Hunt in round 1623 01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:22,840 8 I'd say. Yeah, Kareem Hunt, Zeke. 1624 01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:24,560 It stopped working right before Zeke. 1625 01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:27,480 That's why he. Don't he don't so, so basically 1626 01:24:27,480 --> 01:24:32,720 rounds 2 through 8, if you just instead of if the only metric 1627 01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:37,560 you knew was age and you just evaluated it via age and you 1628 01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:40,080 just took the oldest running back, you are winning this year. 1629 01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:41,680 It's. Crazy. 1630 01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:44,000 Yeah, and I was pretty consistent all offseason and 1631 01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:46,560 saying, yeah, make sure you get cream on in the 18th round in 1632 01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:49,760 every draft. Just really following this this 1633 01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:52,920 line of thinking, yeah, I don't know, man. 1634 01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:57,520 This is going to be like the Fast forward to 2025 offseason 1635 01:24:57,520 --> 01:25:02,640 debates, the debate over whether the wide receiver injuries like 1636 01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:08,560 caused all of this to happen or whether the dead zone running 1637 01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:10,160 backs are always going to be smash picks. 1638 01:25:10,160 --> 01:25:11,400 I think that's going to be an ongoing debate. 1639 01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:12,680 That'll be you want. To remind me of a little. 1640 01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:18,000 Bit interesting, yeah. Remember the year that Stefan 1641 01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:23,360 Diggs got traded to the Bills? It was an absolute smash, and we 1642 01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:26,040 kind of like had to rethink. I think there's one other 1643 01:25:26,440 --> 01:25:28,560 example of that that happened like the year before. 1644 01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:32,840 But Hopkins to the Cardinals is maybe around a similar time to 1645 01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:35,560 that. Yeah, it was something like but 1646 01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:39,600 he but digs that year had fallen because he goes to, you know, 1647 01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:42,480 play with Josh Allen and it's more uncertain. 1648 01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:45,680 And we have had a lot of research showing, you know, why 1649 01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:47,280 receivers changing teams was bad. 1650 01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:50,920 And he goes on and he just goes nuts. 1651 01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:53,040 And this went like one of the picks, I think he was in the 1652 01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:58,440 fifth round that year was nuts. So it is a little like Barkley 1653 01:25:58,440 --> 01:26:02,800 goes to the Eagles and I you know, the market did a good job 1654 01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:05,000 of being like, no, no, no, like it's Barkley. 1655 01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:07,320 He's on the eagles good offensive line. 1656 01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:09,440 They like to run. He's going to smash. 1657 01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:14,560 I was not in on that. He's crushing the Henry one. 1658 01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:17,080 I mean that one is just even his age. 1659 01:26:17,080 --> 01:26:20,680 It's like harder to see how it would pan out as well as it's 1660 01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:23,840 panned out. But I do think like there's an 1661 01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:27,640 element to like and again, the market did a good job actually 1662 01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:30,720 of pricing this in. But like the upside that that 1663 01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:35,040 created was definitely I undercounted the upside element 1664 01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:38,840 there too focused on the downside of 30 year old running 1665 01:26:38,840 --> 01:26:43,200 back hasn't been very efficient for two seasons, you know, 1666 01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:47,560 changing teams in a good spot. But like, are we really going to 1667 01:26:47,560 --> 01:26:49,520 get what is he going to run for like 2000 yards? 1668 01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:51,240 Like, come on. Yes, he is, yeah. 1669 01:26:52,120 --> 01:26:57,280 He's got 1000 yards already, the Derrick Henry. 31 year old 31 1670 01:26:57,280 --> 01:26:59,840 year old Henry Round 2 next year. 1671 01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:03,120 It's crazy. Yeah, yeah, he's on a one year 1672 01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:04,520 contract, right. I'm I'm. 1673 01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:07,400 Somehow going to find a way to lose more money next year than 1674 01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:09,120 this year. It's going to be. 1675 01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:11,160 It's going to be really. Something I'm actually I'm 1676 01:27:11,160 --> 01:27:13,760 starting to get kind of bullish on my basketball portfolio now 1677 01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:15,960 I'm I'm digging out. It's been good. 1678 01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:17,800 I'm every every week I'm getting. 1679 01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:19,840 We're we're too far. We're too far behind. 1680 01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:23,440 Like I just got a literal 30 point game from Chase Brown. 1681 01:27:23,440 --> 01:27:25,440 He was the second highest scoring running back of the 1682 01:27:25,440 --> 01:27:28,040 week. Did not did not change my 1683 01:27:28,040 --> 01:27:29,880 advance rate. No, I changed mine. 1684 01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:33,840 Not even not even one more team. I recommend a lower advance rate 1685 01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:36,360 so that it can be changed more. That's good. 1686 01:27:36,360 --> 01:27:38,560 Well, the Chiefs, the Chiefs also have not played yet, so 1687 01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:41,360 maybe, maybe after, right? Can you imagine a world where 1688 01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:44,920 Mahomes goes 303 in a game? I mean, me personally, I can't, 1689 01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:49,600 but it would be something. You need Noah great to have 100 1690 01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:51,160 yard game if that's going to happen. 1691 01:27:51,440 --> 01:27:56,200 And I just I don't see that. I I think Pat, getting back to 1692 01:27:56,200 --> 01:27:59,720 your point of like, what did we learn from all this? 1693 01:27:59,880 --> 01:28:02,600 This is like firing from the hip a little bit. 1694 01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:06,840 I think maybe what I learned is like the advanced running back 1695 01:28:06,840 --> 01:28:10,880 stats and projecting running back efficiency, like be willing 1696 01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:14,840 to accept huge error bars when there's massive changes in 1697 01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:18,600 situation for players. I think that was maybe a little 1698 01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:20,880 bit under not not really underrated by the market like 1699 01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:23,920 cuz again, I think the market pricing Barkley, that's what 1700 01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:25,440 made this. Tough is that these guys were 1701 01:28:25,440 --> 01:28:29,960 expensive, so the error bars pointed to baiting them. 1702 01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:34,680 You know, we're like, I don't know, Barkley's hard for me cuz 1703 01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:35,640 I. Just Barkley's gonna. 1704 01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:38,480 Fade the next Barkley? I'm gonna fade the next Barkley. 1705 01:28:38,720 --> 01:28:41,560 The next Henry in the third rounds, maybe. 1706 01:28:41,720 --> 01:28:44,320 Although is there a next Henry? Who is the next Derrick Henry? 1707 01:28:45,240 --> 01:28:47,960 Yeah, it'll be it'll. Be Barkley on his, It'll be 1708 01:28:47,960 --> 01:28:50,360 Barkley on his next team. Yeah, but he's, I mean, yeah, I 1709 01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:53,760 guess, but. Barkley, when he's 31, playing 1710 01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:57,120 for the Texans or something, that's going to be the next one, 1711 01:28:57,800 --> 01:28:59,880 but I I think. There's something to be learned 1712 01:28:59,880 --> 01:29:01,920 from Barkley. There's nothing to be learned 1713 01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:03,560 from Henry. Like absolutely nothing. 1714 01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:07,000 I think there's a little to be learned Like, let's be honest, 1715 01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:11,280 like for a second of like the how our group of people thinks 1716 01:29:11,280 --> 01:29:15,640 about Derrick Henry is that at least in half PPRI think we've 1717 01:29:15,640 --> 01:29:18,880 been wrong about him for a while and been unwilling to accept 1718 01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:21,120 like what a crazy outlier he is Now. 1719 01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:22,880 Maybe we were. We were finally, finally right 1720 01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:25,960 to fade him last year when the wheels fell off in Tennessee. 1721 01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:28,760 But it was a stretch of like four years running. 1722 01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:31,320 Or just like, oh, Derek Henry can't be that efficient, can't 1723 01:29:31,320 --> 01:29:33,600 score that many touchdowns, and he's doing. 1724 01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:35,920 It well, that's I think there's more to learn from Henry than 1725 01:29:35,920 --> 01:29:37,960 Barkley, because Henry. Was cheap. 1726 01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:41,480 Barkley was never cheap. You know, maybe he was cheaper 1727 01:29:41,480 --> 01:29:43,400 than not. Maybe he was cheaper than he 1728 01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:47,200 should have been, right? But he was never cheap. 1729 01:29:47,240 --> 01:29:50,840 And he so to me, you were buying like a big upside scenario that 1730 01:29:50,840 --> 01:29:54,760 like checked a lot of very specific boxes, you know, 1731 01:29:54,760 --> 01:29:57,200 because like he's still, even though he he catches every 1732 01:29:57,200 --> 01:30:00,240 reception he has, goes for a touchdown, which is especially 1733 01:30:00,240 --> 01:30:02,880 tilting because he's like not actually involved in the 1734 01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:05,880 receiving game except when he catches a touchdown. 1735 01:30:07,960 --> 01:30:11,680 But you needed him to like kind of it was a narrow path. 1736 01:30:11,720 --> 01:30:15,680 Now the path doesn't look narrow because he's awesome, right? 1737 01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:19,560 And he's jumping over dudes backwards, you know, So it 1738 01:30:19,560 --> 01:30:24,480 doesn't it, it looks quite robust given how given how 1739 01:30:24,480 --> 01:30:27,840 talented he is. But from this summer, you know, 1740 01:30:27,880 --> 01:30:32,000 I was like, basically, I lose if Barkley lights the Internet on 1741 01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:33,680 fire every week because he's just that good. 1742 01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:37,160 And here he is doing that and I've lost that bet, So. 1743 01:30:37,640 --> 01:30:42,040 But I think to me, I was put like, if you're going to put me 1744 01:30:42,040 --> 01:30:43,960 in a position where I'm like, I only really feel like I'm losing 1745 01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:47,200 this bet is if if this guy's like clearly the most talented 1746 01:30:47,200 --> 01:30:50,400 running back in the league despite him not profiling like 1747 01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:53,080 that for several seasons. Like, but going back to 2018 is 1748 01:30:53,080 --> 01:30:54,880 the last time we would have really evidence that he's that 1749 01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:56,800 good. So I'm just going to bet against 1750 01:30:56,800 --> 01:30:59,720 him being that good. And then if he is that good, I'm 1751 01:30:59,720 --> 01:31:00,840 going to have to eat a bunch of crow. 1752 01:31:00,840 --> 01:31:07,080 Well, we got any more crow left? I think we're all out of crow. 1753 01:31:07,320 --> 01:31:09,000 No, there's more. There's a whole heap thing 1754 01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:10,520 helping. I'm going to be eating some more 1755 01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:12,920 later. But you know, it's like we're 1756 01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:14,080 never going to be right about everything. 1757 01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:15,640 We're going to be wrong about most things. 1758 01:31:15,880 --> 01:31:20,320 And for me, Barclays, it's like in order for me to be like 1759 01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:23,440 really wrong, like he just has to be so good. 1760 01:31:23,440 --> 01:31:24,520 And I'm going to bet against that. 1761 01:31:24,680 --> 01:31:27,200 Henry, because he was cheaper. He didn't even have to be so 1762 01:31:27,200 --> 01:31:28,760 good. Now he is good, but he could 1763 01:31:28,760 --> 01:31:31,120 have been worse than he is and still hit. 1764 01:31:33,320 --> 01:31:37,640 So for yeah, for me, I think the big lesson is, is and this kind 1765 01:31:37,640 --> 01:31:39,240 of the thing I'm always trying to dial in with best ball is 1766 01:31:39,240 --> 01:31:40,720 just like price. Like, how much? 1767 01:31:41,480 --> 01:31:43,320 What am I? What do I need for this price? 1768 01:31:43,320 --> 01:31:45,920 What what am I want? What types of risk should I be 1769 01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:50,240 willing to accept at this price? And I think Henry showed like 1770 01:31:50,240 --> 01:31:54,160 that, the upside that he still had on a really good offense on 1771 01:31:54,160 --> 01:31:57,240 a team we know, would, you know, love to have a guy like Derrick 1772 01:31:57,240 --> 01:32:00,920 Henry running like this, that that upside was still worth more 1773 01:32:00,920 --> 01:32:05,400 than I gave it credit for. Yeah, I think that makes sense. 1774 01:32:05,400 --> 01:32:08,120 And Berkeley is like maybe it's own separate discussion. 1775 01:32:08,120 --> 01:32:10,840 I think maybe the bigger lesson with these running backs is like 1776 01:32:11,200 --> 01:32:17,200 the guys going in round 3456 just because like, OK, just 1777 01:32:17,640 --> 01:32:20,520 looking back at the final WrestleMania ADP, Joe Mixon, 1778 01:32:20,520 --> 01:32:24,000 just to call out one example, he was the running back 15 going at 1779 01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:26,160 pick 64 by the end of the season. 1780 01:32:26,160 --> 01:32:30,000 That that seems crazy to me. He was going around like the 1781 01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:34,880 wide receiver 404142 like. I was taking some Mixon. 1782 01:32:34,880 --> 01:32:36,920 I just wish I took more, you know? 1783 01:32:37,480 --> 01:32:41,120 Yeah, same for me. I have overweight Mixon, but I 1784 01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:44,000 wasn't like, oh, Mixon's one of my priority targets by any 1785 01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:46,000 means. I think I'd have something 8 to 1786 01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:48,720 10%, something like that. But it's just like, OK, once 1787 01:32:48,720 --> 01:32:52,720 you're comparing running back 15 versus wide receiver 40, like 1788 01:32:52,720 --> 01:32:57,640 The thing is like in 2023, but like it still was right to like 1789 01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:02,480 roster construction wise, like take the wide receiver 35 over 1790 01:33:02,480 --> 01:33:04,400 the running back 16. Like that's kind of how it 1791 01:33:04,400 --> 01:33:08,000 played out, but it is a little crazy when you think about it in 1792 01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:11,880 1/2 PPR site to say, you know, I I want to take the wide receiver 1793 01:33:11,880 --> 01:33:15,120 40 over the running back 15 like that. 1794 01:33:15,120 --> 01:33:18,560 That I think went a little bit too far, especially because at a 1795 01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:21,600 certain point the wide receivers, I think do kind of 1796 01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:24,400 flatten out once you get like wide receiver 40 through like 1797 01:33:24,400 --> 01:33:27,760 60, like that's pretty flat, but the running backs actually fall 1798 01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:30,320 off a Cliff. Like Joe Mixon has a running 1799 01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:33,840 back 15 to like Jonathan Brooks is the running back 30. 1800 01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:39,120 Like that is much more massive drop off than you know, Deonte 1801 01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:42,600 Johnson as the wide receiver 38. Rashid Jahid as the wide 1802 01:33:42,600 --> 01:33:46,360 receiver, 54 still. Market things at play like 1803 01:33:46,360 --> 01:33:49,120 you're not coming back from being dead at wide receiver 1804 01:33:49,240 --> 01:33:50,720 either. Right, that is the problem. 1805 01:33:50,720 --> 01:33:54,280 That's this is and it's just like I, I, I'm truly like, 1806 01:33:54,280 --> 01:34:00,160 honestly, this conversation, no one, almost no one is ready to 1807 01:34:00,160 --> 01:34:03,840 earnestly have the conversation and just understand like it's 1808 01:34:03,840 --> 01:34:07,560 just one slate, man. It's just it's one, it's it's 1 1809 01:34:07,560 --> 01:34:08,920 slate. It's playing out this way. 1810 01:34:08,920 --> 01:34:12,760 What if Joe Mixon was Cam Akers? Cam Akers was, I believe the 1811 01:34:12,760 --> 01:34:14,960 same exact. I believe he was the running 1812 01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:19,640 back 15 last year was basically the worst pick on the board and 1813 01:34:19,640 --> 01:34:22,640 to to pretend this was always the way it was going to happen. 1814 01:34:22,880 --> 01:34:24,400 Barkley was always going to smash. 1815 01:34:24,640 --> 01:34:27,640 Henry was always going to smash. The running backs were always 1816 01:34:27,640 --> 01:34:31,160 the best picks. I just it, it's just, I mean, 1817 01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:32,440 it's frankly, it's just not true. 1818 01:34:32,600 --> 01:34:34,960 Like really is. Is well also, yeah. 1819 01:34:34,960 --> 01:34:37,680 And The thing is that like, even if it is true that that Barclay 1820 01:34:37,680 --> 01:34:39,600 was always going to smash because it's hard to see him 1821 01:34:39,600 --> 01:34:41,760 playing like this and not think he's always going to smash. 1822 01:34:42,400 --> 01:34:44,000 But you know, he does have to stay healthy. 1823 01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:47,640 And and, you know, some of the stuff is like, you know, guys 1824 01:34:47,640 --> 01:34:52,000 who got hurt that is just really ruined the season for them. 1825 01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:55,640 That and people that drafted them, you know, like there was 1826 01:34:55,640 --> 01:34:58,840 she rice thing, like there was she rice injury changes so much, 1827 01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:03,200 you know, so that type of stuff, like Even so, of course, like it 1828 01:35:03,200 --> 01:35:06,440 kind of only it can't play out one way because the injuries 1829 01:35:06,440 --> 01:35:10,640 get, you know, they're so fluky. But even if it was, then the 1830 01:35:10,640 --> 01:35:14,080 prices change and we have to like figure out how to do this 1831 01:35:14,080 --> 01:35:16,960 all again. And that's where it being 1 1832 01:35:16,960 --> 01:35:21,600 slate is so key like that the prices all change and figuring 1833 01:35:21,600 --> 01:35:25,800 out what to do relative to those prices becomes a new puzzle. 1834 01:35:26,400 --> 01:35:30,960 I think one of the takeaways for me though, with the you make the 1835 01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:33,560 point about the wide receivers being flat and everything. 1836 01:35:36,040 --> 01:35:38,040 I have no regrets about taking Jaden Reed. 1837 01:35:38,480 --> 01:35:40,480 You know, when I took Jaden Reed, that's a guy. 1838 01:35:40,480 --> 01:35:46,360 I'm like, you know, there was it felt a little Nico Collins E or 1839 01:35:46,360 --> 01:35:50,280 Rashi Ricey and sort of like we're we're making excuses why 1840 01:35:50,280 --> 01:35:54,400 we shouldn't buy into what this guy did in a in a situation that 1841 01:35:54,400 --> 01:35:59,760 we're excited about. And I had some hesitation with 1842 01:35:59,760 --> 01:36:01,840 Rita. I wasn't like hammering him, but 1843 01:36:01,840 --> 01:36:06,160 like he also was a very talented rookie, kind of a classic second 1844 01:36:06,160 --> 01:36:08,000 year breakout. And we're going much cheaper 1845 01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:10,720 than some of the other upside at the position. 1846 01:36:11,200 --> 01:36:15,480 I do have regrets about taking, you know, more Keenan Allen 1847 01:36:15,480 --> 01:36:17,560 there. You know, like there's, there's 1848 01:36:17,560 --> 01:36:19,760 like a lot. Of my a lot of my regrets are 1849 01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:22,160 bears related to be. Honest, yeah, Bears, Bears 1850 01:36:22,160 --> 01:36:26,520 related takes. Yeah, I think the the hunt for 1851 01:36:26,520 --> 01:36:30,440 wide receiver upside in that range was was a worthwhile 1852 01:36:30,640 --> 01:36:36,080 exercise. The once like once like kind of 1853 01:36:36,080 --> 01:36:39,680 the the tear breaks had occurred of like potential number one 1854 01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:45,160 options on their offense are gone and you're like going for 1855 01:36:45,160 --> 01:36:47,160 like number twos on their offense. 1856 01:36:47,160 --> 01:36:49,400 Now. This is how funny this shit is, 1857 01:36:49,400 --> 01:36:50,720 right? Chris Godwin would have been an 1858 01:36:50,720 --> 01:36:54,120 example of that and he's it's yeah, was the giga smash before 1859 01:36:54,120 --> 01:36:58,680 he broke his ankle. So but I think the I I do want 1860 01:36:58,680 --> 01:37:03,280 to look more at like if running back prices or anything like 1861 01:37:03,280 --> 01:37:07,880 last year, I don't want to just be like thinking I'm hitting a 1862 01:37:07,880 --> 01:37:10,840 single or a double at wide receiver, you know, in the in 1863 01:37:10,840 --> 01:37:14,440 the early fifth round. I need to be swinging for the 1864 01:37:14,440 --> 01:37:16,680 fences still. Or just pivot. 1865 01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:18,600 Just pivot and grab a running back. 1866 01:37:19,160 --> 01:37:21,720 You know, if there's a running, if there's a clear starter 1867 01:37:21,720 --> 01:37:25,520 available who doesn't completely suck, you know, I think that 1868 01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:29,240 that would be the lesson for me. My last one, this I think the 1869 01:37:29,240 --> 01:37:30,360 Chris. Oh, sorry. 1870 01:37:30,360 --> 01:37:31,480 Go ahead, Davis, if you had something. 1871 01:37:31,480 --> 01:37:33,600 Well, I did just want to make the point about next year, 1872 01:37:33,720 --> 01:37:37,280 people like us who are like, I want to take a 29 year old 1873 01:37:37,280 --> 01:37:39,520 running back on his third team in the fourth round. 1874 01:37:40,440 --> 01:37:43,320 We're we're about to get saved by the rookie running back class 1875 01:37:44,640 --> 01:37:46,920 like we are. We are about to be big time 1876 01:37:46,920 --> 01:37:50,640 bailed out from our predilections by the quality of 1877 01:37:50,640 --> 01:37:52,480 running back coming in. There's going to be a first 1878 01:37:52,480 --> 01:37:56,160 round running back drafted. So take a backfield right now 1879 01:37:56,440 --> 01:38:01,240 that maybe we're not interested in, add a first round rookie 1880 01:38:01,240 --> 01:38:03,280 there. Jonathan Brooks will be healthy 1881 01:38:03,280 --> 01:38:05,920 next year and they'll be a different coaching staff and 1882 01:38:05,960 --> 01:38:09,560 quarterback in Carolina. So that'll bring a high-priced 1883 01:38:09,560 --> 01:38:10,840 running back that we all kind of like. 1884 01:38:11,680 --> 01:38:15,880 And then they're going to be probably, I don't know, five day 1885 01:38:15,880 --> 01:38:19,480 2 running backs. I would think maybe more 1886 01:38:19,480 --> 01:38:21,160 honestly, it's a very strong running back class. 1887 01:38:21,160 --> 01:38:24,720 So we are, we are, you know, we, we are going to kind of quinch 1888 01:38:24,720 --> 01:38:27,160 on Judkins, our situation out here. 1889 01:38:27,240 --> 01:38:31,520 So instead of having to take DeAndre Swift on the Bears, we 1890 01:38:31,520 --> 01:38:34,720 might be able to get to take Caleb Johnson, this rookie 1891 01:38:34,800 --> 01:38:37,160 running back for Iowa on the Bears. 1892 01:38:38,680 --> 01:38:41,560 Gotcha. Although I as we know these guys 1893 01:38:41,560 --> 01:38:44,000 always go somewhere where there is a guy that we like. 1894 01:38:44,520 --> 01:38:46,400 That's the way this works. That's kind of it's kind of 1895 01:38:46,400 --> 01:38:49,360 Ashton, Gene T first round running back Atlanta Falcons put 1896 01:38:49,360 --> 01:38:51,840 it on the card right now. That would be hilarious. 1897 01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:54,080 Oh my God. What what's going to happen is 1898 01:38:54,600 --> 01:38:58,600 Rashad White's going to get traded tomorrow and then it's 1899 01:38:58,600 --> 01:39:00,640 going to be Bucky Irving installed as the as the 1900 01:39:00,640 --> 01:39:02,280 Buccaneers start and then they're going to take a first 1901 01:39:02,280 --> 01:39:04,360 round running back. That's the 190 lbs. 1902 01:39:04,360 --> 01:39:07,000 I'm fine, fine. Passing them on to the next 1903 01:39:08,800 --> 01:39:10,800 person. Yeah, Last, last thing I. 1904 01:39:10,800 --> 01:39:13,440 Wanted to say here that. Pat's Chris. 1905 01:39:13,440 --> 01:39:18,680 Goblin point got me thinking about is just that it's like I 1906 01:39:18,680 --> 01:39:25,080 think in the day and age of underdog fantasy where it's, you 1907 01:39:25,080 --> 01:39:28,680 know, calling it an efficient market is a bit extreme, but it 1908 01:39:28,720 --> 01:39:35,280 it's much more efficient than I think fantasy markets have been 1909 01:39:35,320 --> 01:39:38,520 10 years ago, five years ago to the point where like the 1910 01:39:38,600 --> 01:39:43,000 so-called market trends, like, you know, draft rookies because 1911 01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:45,880 they have late season upsider draft second year players 1912 01:39:45,880 --> 01:39:48,200 because they can break out in much bigger ways. 1913 01:39:48,200 --> 01:39:50,800 Like all those things. It's not like they're not true, 1914 01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:55,480 but they're just much more baked in than I think they ever have 1915 01:39:55,480 --> 01:39:57,680 been before. So the game of fantasy football, 1916 01:39:57,680 --> 01:40:00,920 in my opinion, is no longer as simple as taking like these 1917 01:40:01,400 --> 01:40:05,880 sweeping market heuristics and applying them like peanut 1918 01:40:05,880 --> 01:40:09,480 butter, spreading them over the the whole pair player pool and 1919 01:40:09,480 --> 01:40:12,000 drawing lessons based on that. Like I think it has gotten to 1920 01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:15,440 the point where it's much more like player by player, like 1921 01:40:15,440 --> 01:40:20,160 evaluate each team differently, each player on a, you know, 1922 01:40:20,160 --> 01:40:22,320 player by player basis. I'm not sure making this point 1923 01:40:22,320 --> 01:40:26,600 very eloquently, but. It's just to say, like I, I'm a 1924 01:40:26,600 --> 01:40:32,080 little bit skeptical of these market trends, like as the way 1925 01:40:32,080 --> 01:40:35,000 to think about fantasy football going forward. 1926 01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:38,760 Like I, I do think you got to think through each player 1927 01:40:39,080 --> 01:40:42,960 individually because I think a lot of that stuff has gotten 1928 01:40:43,280 --> 01:40:45,080 baked in. No that that I agree with. 1929 01:40:45,080 --> 01:40:49,760 Just the idea like second. Year wide receiver breakouts 1930 01:40:51,160 --> 01:40:54,000 name your name, your rule name, your name, your heuristic of 1931 01:40:54,120 --> 01:40:56,320 choice. It's it's priced in to some 1932 01:40:56,320 --> 01:40:59,200 degree. Great, great comment here. 1933 01:40:59,200 --> 01:41:01,760 The orthodoxy creates its own inefficiency. 1934 01:41:01,760 --> 01:41:03,600 I think that's pretty evidently true. 1935 01:41:03,720 --> 01:41:07,000 It's obviously most true in the game that we are talking about 1936 01:41:07,000 --> 01:41:10,520 on underdog where the orthodoxy is like literally the point to 1937 01:41:10,520 --> 01:41:13,760 play the game like people are like people are like, oh, you 1938 01:41:13,760 --> 01:41:15,600 know, you got it. If if you're on underdog, like 1939 01:41:15,600 --> 01:41:17,920 you can't get buried by the avalanche, don't get don't get 1940 01:41:17,920 --> 01:41:19,680 buried by the avalanche on on underdog. 1941 01:41:19,880 --> 01:41:24,720 So that that reinforces itself again, I do just want to make 1942 01:41:24,720 --> 01:41:29,000 the point that whatever was going to happen this year or 1943 01:41:29,000 --> 01:41:30,480 has. Happened was. 1944 01:41:30,480 --> 01:41:34,720 Not always going to happen. I, I would just like you go go 1945 01:41:34,720 --> 01:41:39,360 look at a weekend of your DFS results, good, bad, indifferent 1946 01:41:39,880 --> 01:41:41,760 and then just look at a winning. Line up and. 1947 01:41:41,800 --> 01:41:46,120 Then look at like, oh, what had that great example if that 1948 01:41:46,440 --> 01:41:51,200 Seahawks game does not go if, if Pukunakuwa doesn't punch a 1949 01:41:51,200 --> 01:41:54,680 defender in the helmet, did the did the Seahawks ever get close? 1950 01:41:54,680 --> 01:41:56,520 Does Kenneth Walker get to 25 rushing attempts? 1951 01:41:56,520 --> 01:42:00,560 Does Injigba score? Does he get what did he get 8 1952 01:42:00,560 --> 01:42:03,760 second-half targets? Whatever it might be, Go look at 1953 01:42:03,760 --> 01:42:06,240 the micro things that close and then realizing that we are doing 1954 01:42:06,240 --> 01:42:11,200 the same thing on a grand scale of being like, well, you know, 1955 01:42:11,200 --> 01:42:14,200 why does Rashi Rice was always Mahomes was always going to tear 1956 01:42:14,200 --> 01:42:17,600 out Rashi Rice's ACL on an interception. 1957 01:42:19,240 --> 01:42:21,080 Isaiah Pacheco was always going to break his leg. 1958 01:42:21,080 --> 01:42:25,240 Obviously Kareem Hunt was always going to lead the AFC in rushing 1959 01:42:25,240 --> 01:42:27,000 touchdown. Joe Mixon was always going to 1960 01:42:27,000 --> 01:42:30,000 succeed with the Texans. There was no universe where Joe 1961 01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:34,920 Mixon who looked beyond cooked in his last year's Cincinnati 1962 01:42:34,920 --> 01:42:36,880 Bengals was always going to be great. 1963 01:42:37,120 --> 01:42:40,880 That was that was obvious. Crystal Ave. was always going to 1964 01:42:40,880 --> 01:42:42,120 get injured. There's never a season where 1965 01:42:42,120 --> 01:42:43,440 Crystal Ave. would not get injured. 1966 01:42:45,240 --> 01:42:47,320 Yeah. And I think the the other thing 1967 01:42:47,320 --> 01:42:49,120 that's. Funny about you know when you. 1968 01:42:49,120 --> 01:42:53,080 Compare it to the DFS slates. It's like what everyone else has 1969 01:42:53,080 --> 01:42:55,480 changes so dramatically like. We're only competing against. 1970 01:42:55,480 --> 01:42:58,240 Other people so like the hits that people get and the way you 1971 01:42:58,240 --> 01:43:01,160 could put teams together, you know, and the weeks in which 1972 01:43:01,160 --> 01:43:04,360 those players score points so they hit like they remember. 1973 01:43:04,360 --> 01:43:07,840 Josh Jacobs was the was the nuts and then he didn't score any 1974 01:43:07,840 --> 01:43:10,680 points in the playoffs. Justin Jefferson was the nuts 1975 01:43:10,680 --> 01:43:13,640 the year I won and he had his worst game of his entire career 1976 01:43:13,880 --> 01:43:17,600 in Week 17. That's just blind dumb luck, 1977 01:43:17,720 --> 01:43:20,080 right? There's no rhyme or reason to 1978 01:43:20,080 --> 01:43:22,400 that. It's just, you know, weird stuff 1979 01:43:22,400 --> 01:43:26,320 happens in DFS. Like I think this is drive that 1980 01:43:26,320 --> 01:43:29,280 point home. Like I've scored, I've scored 1981 01:43:29,280 --> 01:43:32,040 like 158 points in my best lineup this week. 1982 01:43:32,120 --> 01:43:34,960 Didn't cash. I score like 159 points two 1983 01:43:34,960 --> 01:43:38,160 weeks ago, finished fourth in I scored 200 points, you know, in 1984 01:43:38,160 --> 01:43:42,160 week three I was like finished 250th in in a tournament. 1985 01:43:42,160 --> 01:43:46,280 Like it just what everyone else has is going to change the the 1986 01:43:46,280 --> 01:43:50,920 type of teams that other people built with that player pool, the 1987 01:43:50,920 --> 01:43:55,200 combos right, the the type of like the people who were 1988 01:43:55,200 --> 01:43:58,200 drafting Henry were also tending to draft this guy and he's 1989 01:43:58,240 --> 01:44:00,000 either stayed healthy or not. I have a very. 1990 01:44:00,200 --> 01:44:02,320 I have a very. I have a very good example of 1991 01:44:02,320 --> 01:44:04,000 this. The Derrick Henry. 1992 01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:08,640 Drafter you can look it up on. BBM right now was about 75% more 1993 01:44:08,640 --> 01:44:12,920 likely to take Zac Moss than Chase Brown, which is just an 1994 01:44:12,920 --> 01:44:16,120 example of like OK they got. One right and then? 1995 01:44:16,120 --> 01:44:17,840 They missed the other completely. 1996 01:44:17,840 --> 01:44:19,640 They were not even close. They weren't even close to 1997 01:44:19,640 --> 01:44:21,600 directionally accurate. But you know it. 1998 01:44:21,600 --> 01:44:25,200 It doesn't matter because that's it's just the way it plays out. 1999 01:44:25,200 --> 01:44:28,520 But it doesn't it doesn't mean that the Derrick Henry and the 2000 01:44:28,520 --> 01:44:30,880 Alvin Kamar drafters were omniscient. 2001 01:44:32,400 --> 01:44:34,840 You know it just like this late, it worked out for them. 2002 01:44:34,880 --> 01:44:36,200 I'm. Happy for them, I hope that. 2003 01:44:36,200 --> 01:44:38,720 It's not working out for me. I'm not going to make any money. 2004 01:44:39,160 --> 01:44:44,280 It is the way it is, you know, Yeah, it's so it's so tough to 2005 01:44:44,280 --> 01:44:47,840 evaluate, especially like. All this reiterate, reiterate 2006 01:44:47,840 --> 01:44:51,280 here like how many awesome wide receiver picks are out for the 2007 01:44:51,280 --> 01:44:53,840 season both early round and late round. 2008 01:44:53,880 --> 01:44:58,640 We talked about Chris, Chris Godwin, Rasheed Rice, Rasheed 2009 01:44:58,640 --> 01:45:02,200 Shaheed, Nico Collins for half the season. 2010 01:45:02,560 --> 01:45:04,520 There's there's more I'm not thinking of right now. 2011 01:45:04,760 --> 01:45:06,600 Cooper Cup. You can even say for half, half 2012 01:45:06,600 --> 01:45:09,840 the season he's looked very good when he's been out there ton 2013 01:45:09,840 --> 01:45:11,640 tons of them. Like you can go on and on. 2014 01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:15,000 And in terms of running backs, it's I think really only been, 2015 01:45:15,640 --> 01:45:18,440 you know, Joe Mixon missed about a month, Jonathan Taylor missed 2016 01:45:18,440 --> 01:45:20,920 about a month. Isaiah Pacheco is maybe missing 2017 01:45:20,920 --> 01:45:23,800 2-3 months. Yeah, CMC 2. 2018 01:45:23,800 --> 01:45:28,200 So, so there have been some certainly, but just in terms of 2019 01:45:28,200 --> 01:45:31,320 season, like I think there's been zero season ending injuries 2020 01:45:31,560 --> 01:45:33,600 to running backs, unless you're going to say Pacheco's season 2021 01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:37,120 ending, which is a little up in there right now compared to wide 2022 01:45:37,120 --> 01:45:38,280 receivers. There's been much more. 2023 01:45:38,280 --> 01:45:42,480 So that's a bit of an outlier. Like even if I think the the 0 2024 01:45:42,480 --> 01:45:45,680 running, it's more than a bit of an outlier the the devastation 2025 01:45:45,680 --> 01:45:46,720 of the wide receiver position and. 2026 01:45:46,720 --> 01:45:51,080 The total health of the running back position is I don't know if 2027 01:45:51,080 --> 01:45:52,240 we'll ever see anything like it again. 2028 01:45:52,320 --> 01:45:53,840 Yeah. Yeah, it's an. 2029 01:45:53,840 --> 01:45:57,360 Outlier I I do think. You can say like just to say the 2030 01:45:57,360 --> 01:46:00,280 other side of it, you look at the injury rate data, the 2031 01:46:00,280 --> 01:46:04,280 injuries to wide receivers and running backs hasn't been that 2032 01:46:04,280 --> 01:46:05,920 different historically. Like I think the narrative of 2033 01:46:05,920 --> 01:46:08,280 like, oh, running back is a minefield. 2034 01:46:08,280 --> 01:46:11,000 They get injured every single season and wide receivers stay 2035 01:46:11,000 --> 01:46:12,840 healthy. That's not really supported by 2036 01:46:12,840 --> 01:46:14,800 the data. But this is an outlier to the 2037 01:46:14,800 --> 01:46:17,280 point where it's swung like so drastically in the other 2038 01:46:17,280 --> 01:46:19,320 direction where it's a huge outlier. 2039 01:46:19,320 --> 01:46:22,680 So it's so tough to evaluate, like if you had a portfolio with 2040 01:46:22,720 --> 01:46:26,720 a ton of Rashid Rice, a ton of Rashid Shaheed and a ton of 2041 01:46:26,720 --> 01:46:30,160 Isaiah Pacheco or something like that, you're going to get beat 2042 01:46:30,160 --> 01:46:34,120 down this year, even though that was probably a decent strategy, 2043 01:46:34,120 --> 01:46:36,240 right? So at least stop bullying Davis. 2044 01:46:36,840 --> 01:46:40,480 Yeah, it's yeah. It's yeah, it's it's tough. 2045 01:46:40,960 --> 01:46:42,280 It's a, it's a tough game we play. 2046 01:46:42,480 --> 01:46:46,480 Yeah, no, I, it's been tough. I I I'd love a sliding glass 2047 01:46:46,480 --> 01:46:48,560 doors. On what the Chiefs offense. 2048 01:46:48,560 --> 01:46:50,560 Would have been like had Hollywood never gotten injured. 2049 01:46:50,840 --> 01:46:54,840 Like was I really so wrong? Like they they actually were 2050 01:46:54,840 --> 01:46:57,320 going to be terrible regardless. There was no universe where they 2051 01:46:57,320 --> 01:47:01,600 were going to be good. Or was the Hollywood injury and 2052 01:47:01,600 --> 01:47:04,880 having to use Justin Watson? Was that really kind of the 2053 01:47:04,880 --> 01:47:08,920 moment that they just decided like, well, you know, time, 2054 01:47:08,920 --> 01:47:13,400 time, time to shut it down time, that time to be the the 2017 2055 01:47:13,400 --> 01:47:16,200 Patriots. That's so tough. 2056 01:47:16,400 --> 01:47:18,440 I think they would have been really fun pass offense. 2057 01:47:18,480 --> 01:47:20,480 But we'll never, we'll never know. 2058 01:47:22,200 --> 01:47:23,120 We'll see. We'll see as well. 2059 01:47:23,120 --> 01:47:25,720 I mean, we'll, it's a it's a crazy. 2060 01:47:25,720 --> 01:47:30,840 Variant game we play feels like so clear what's worked and what 2061 01:47:30,840 --> 01:47:33,840 matters. It's week 9. 2062 01:47:33,960 --> 01:47:36,800 We just finished week 9. Yeah, like what? 2063 01:47:36,800 --> 01:47:40,040 What's it what mattered in 2024 best ball? 2064 01:47:40,800 --> 01:47:43,600 We have no idea exactly. We still don't know because it 2065 01:47:43,600 --> 01:47:45,720 it's ultimately going to come down to what happened in week. 2066 01:47:45,720 --> 01:47:50,440 15. 16 and 17 and like, probably, right, If you were 2067 01:47:50,440 --> 01:47:56,200 making bets on what matters, you know you would much you're 2068 01:47:57,040 --> 01:47:59,640 Barkley and Henry are locks to have mattered. 2069 01:47:59,800 --> 01:48:01,960 Camaro is a lock to have mattered because he's going to 2070 01:48:02,320 --> 01:48:04,720 power so many teams to those weeks in the 1st place. 2071 01:48:05,640 --> 01:48:08,800 But fundamentally, like the way we look at this season and think 2072 01:48:08,800 --> 01:48:12,360 about like what really mattered. We still just don't know that 2073 01:48:12,360 --> 01:48:15,920 yet. Yeah, I'll say like, yeah, the 2074 01:48:15,920 --> 01:48:18,120 only reason it sounds. Like a post mortem in the fan. 2075 01:48:18,120 --> 01:48:21,880 Season is because I'm leaving so I wanted to do this, but that's 2076 01:48:21,880 --> 01:48:24,560 a that's a really good point that like this is not the 2077 01:48:24,560 --> 01:48:27,080 perfect time to have this conversation Very long season. 2078 01:48:27,240 --> 01:48:28,960 Like yeah, we're basically halfway through the season. 2079 01:48:29,600 --> 01:48:31,280 That's kind of crazy to think about. 2080 01:48:31,280 --> 01:48:33,520 It feels like towards the end, but it's it's not really at all. 2081 01:48:33,520 --> 01:48:35,640 So ton ton left to be played here. 2082 01:48:36,120 --> 01:48:41,040 I think that'll wrap up our review of the true serum takes. 2083 01:48:41,200 --> 01:48:45,280 I'd give us an overall, I'd say the independent panel that 2084 01:48:45,360 --> 01:48:49,840 reviewed this gave us overall AB plus on these true serum takes. 2085 01:48:49,840 --> 01:48:52,520 Did the overall panel name an MVP of the group or we were all 2086 01:48:52,520 --> 01:48:56,840 just treated equally? It it was pretty clear, but we 2087 01:48:56,840 --> 01:48:59,280 don't need to kind of get. Into that, it's not really the 2088 01:48:59,280 --> 01:49:03,000 point of the show about who had the best takes on the episode 2089 01:49:03,000 --> 01:49:05,680 that kind of mattered the most. I would say it's not. 2090 01:49:05,840 --> 01:49:07,840 It's not. Yeah, drafting, I think by the 2091 01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:09,680 time we gave those takes or or no. 2092 01:49:10,040 --> 01:49:10,720 Interesting. Yeah. 2093 01:49:10,800 --> 01:49:12,960 A lot of people have told me that that was the episode that 2094 01:49:12,960 --> 01:49:14,280 kind. Of they think about most in 2095 01:49:14,280 --> 01:49:17,480 terms of like who had the best takes and in the whole run of 2096 01:49:17,480 --> 01:49:19,280 the show. Yeah, the whole I know it's 2097 01:49:19,280 --> 01:49:20,840 weird, I wouldn't have guessed it either. 2098 01:49:22,280 --> 01:49:26,000 But yeah, we got it. We got to close. 2099 01:49:26,440 --> 01:49:28,480 Final, final segment, then we'll get out of here. 2100 01:49:29,360 --> 01:49:32,720 Pat, we're checking in on the health of Justin Fields 2101 01:49:32,880 --> 01:49:35,360 hamstring. I know you've consulted a lot of 2102 01:49:35,360 --> 01:49:37,040 medical experts about this. What? 2103 01:49:37,320 --> 01:49:40,520 What is your diagnosis for his hamstring injury going forward? 2104 01:49:41,240 --> 01:49:43,400 It's still hurting. Hamstring injury is still 2105 01:49:43,400 --> 01:49:46,240 hurting a little bit. But here's the thing. 2106 01:49:46,240 --> 01:49:48,640 I made two bets on just. I didn't draft that much Justin 2107 01:49:48,640 --> 01:49:52,880 Fields, Ironically, because I was drafting so much Drake May 2108 01:49:52,880 --> 01:49:54,560 that I never really drafted that much Fields. 2109 01:49:55,160 --> 01:49:57,360 I honestly felt pretty nervous about it entering the season. 2110 01:49:57,360 --> 01:50:01,760 I was like, I should have drafted more Fields, but I made 2111 01:50:01,760 --> 01:50:03,640 two bets on Fields. This is my skin in the. 2112 01:50:03,640 --> 01:50:05,560 Game was that fields will. Start week 1. 2113 01:50:05,560 --> 01:50:07,520 Obviously that was never in doubt. 2114 01:50:08,360 --> 01:50:13,640 Then the other bet. Is what I made with Leone that 2115 01:50:13,640 --> 01:50:15,840 he would start I? Believe week 14. 2116 01:50:16,120 --> 01:50:19,480 So I'm still feeling from from the hamstring check in of my 2117 01:50:19,480 --> 01:50:21,320 bags. I think the hammy's good. 2118 01:50:21,320 --> 01:50:25,200 I think he's good to go for the week 14 start that I need to 2119 01:50:25,680 --> 01:50:28,360 have the ultimate side bet suck out. 2120 01:50:29,000 --> 01:50:32,280 In fact, I hope his hammy doesn't kneel until the very end 2121 01:50:32,280 --> 01:50:35,680 of week 13. That's my New Hope I. 2122 01:50:35,680 --> 01:50:37,960 With how this has run out for you, I almost guarantee you're 2123 01:50:37,960 --> 01:50:39,320 going to win that bet against Leonie I. 2124 01:50:39,320 --> 01:50:42,480 Don't know how, it might be a Wildcat package on the 1st Dr. 2125 01:50:42,480 --> 01:50:46,320 of the game or something, but you'll find a way to to suck out 2126 01:50:46,320 --> 01:50:48,080 on that one as well. Yeah. 2127 01:50:48,960 --> 01:50:51,360 Oh, man. All right, let's see. 2128 01:50:51,360 --> 01:50:54,040 I actually did draft him. That's the the most frustrating 2129 01:50:54,040 --> 01:50:55,200 thing about all this is you guys. 2130 01:50:55,200 --> 01:50:57,480 Were just having like an argument and I was like drafting 2131 01:50:57,480 --> 01:51:02,320 him a ton. He's scoring points and before 2132 01:51:02,320 --> 01:51:05,360 before are we winding down? We have anything. 2133 01:51:05,480 --> 01:51:08,720 Anything else we wanted to cover I I was going to kick it to you 2134 01:51:08,720 --> 01:51:11,080 guys to talk about future for the. 2135 01:51:11,080 --> 01:51:12,360 Show unless you had something else. 2136 01:51:12,840 --> 01:51:16,640 We'll, I think we'll, we'll make there's tune back in. 2137 01:51:16,640 --> 01:51:19,960 Next Monday and we'll we'll communicate what we're doing. 2138 01:51:19,960 --> 01:51:21,480 We'll have we'll have something. We'll have something. 2139 01:51:21,520 --> 01:51:22,720 You'll have something. There will be some. 2140 01:51:22,720 --> 01:51:24,040 Maybe we'll have, maybe we'll have a guest. 2141 01:51:24,040 --> 01:51:26,080 Maybe we won't, but. We'll have something. 2142 01:51:27,160 --> 01:51:30,160 Before we go though, shout out to. 2143 01:51:30,160 --> 01:51:34,280 Zach Landers, who's helped us so much with the intro and and you 2144 01:51:34,280 --> 01:51:36,320 know everything along the way. Some of the clips you guys have 2145 01:51:36,320 --> 01:51:41,360 seen one more here for before we get out of here. 2146 01:51:43,040 --> 01:51:45,600 Hello everyone and welcome to a special. 2147 01:51:45,640 --> 01:51:49,280 To a special. To a special in the final ADP 2148 01:51:49,280 --> 01:51:52,120 chasing show. For years we've been chasing 2149 01:51:52,120 --> 01:51:54,320 ADP's. A journey filled with laughter. 2150 01:51:55,120 --> 01:52:00,840 Look how long this is. Heated debates. 2151 01:52:01,040 --> 01:52:03,160 This is an argument like a tree lap on a high. 2152 01:52:03,160 --> 01:52:04,720 Ankle sprain for cup. Like that is. 2153 01:52:05,640 --> 01:52:10,080 I'm saying if it makes it. Part of a good argument that's. 2154 01:52:10,080 --> 01:52:11,760 Fine, you're allowed to lie on it. 2155 01:52:12,520 --> 01:52:15,960 As Sam Sherman embarks on a new chapter, we bid farewell to the 2156 01:52:15,960 --> 01:52:19,600 greatest. And the targets per outrun 2157 01:52:19,600 --> 01:52:21,680 leagues that's going to. Be really nice on his like 11 2158 01:52:21,680 --> 01:52:23,600 routes per. Game that's well Zach Wilson's 2159 01:52:23,600 --> 01:52:26,440 better in the cold than two of my thing with JSN I think is 2160 01:52:26,440 --> 01:52:30,280 like I saw the worst JSN takes on my timeline and now I'm just 2161 01:52:30,280 --> 01:52:33,760 arguing against the straw man and that's why I won the bet 2162 01:52:33,760 --> 01:52:36,080 regardless of the outcome. I got it in cow pits is that 2163 01:52:36,080 --> 01:52:38,280 kind of guy. He was close to producing 2164 01:52:38,280 --> 01:52:40,080 Cadarius Tony when they're at Florida together. 2165 01:52:40,080 --> 01:52:42,960 He didn't quite do it, but that definitely shows a level of 2166 01:52:42,960 --> 01:52:45,880 untapped upside that you definitely want to tight end 2167 01:52:46,080 --> 01:52:48,880 that this was a good thing that Keenan Allen was big. 2168 01:52:49,080 --> 01:52:51,200 I mean, he's training for the Will Disley role in Shane 2169 01:52:51,200 --> 01:52:54,720 Waldron's office. Sam, this is the perfect hyper 2170 01:52:54,720 --> 01:52:56,200 niche. Best full story for you? 2171 01:52:56,240 --> 01:52:59,080 Because it's just hating. I want to get a little bit into 2172 01:52:59,080 --> 01:53:03,240 Cooper cups drop off last. Year 32 year old wide receiver, 2173 01:53:03,240 --> 01:53:04,920 right? I just turned 31. 2174 01:53:05,200 --> 01:53:07,960 He's about to turn 33, you know, playing next. 2175 01:53:08,040 --> 01:53:11,040 To a fifth round rookie from. BYU here's why. 2176 01:53:11,080 --> 01:53:16,200 The fact that he was very worse category is a Oh my God every 2177 01:53:16,200 --> 01:53:18,320 time you see a mystery player and think it's. 2178 01:53:19,400 --> 01:53:22,600 Any guy that everyone says is bad, his stats are always better 2179 01:53:22,600 --> 01:53:26,560 than T. Higgins, like T Higgins and DJ 2180 01:53:26,560 --> 01:53:28,400 Shark, we can move. Past this. 2181 01:53:28,840 --> 01:53:30,760 Christian Kirk comparison. Nothing. 2182 01:53:30,760 --> 01:53:35,160 Really big to see here every time you get into a heated 45 2183 01:53:35,160 --> 01:53:38,880 minute debate about Russell. Wilson and Justin Fields Let let 2184 01:53:38,880 --> 01:53:41,280 me cook you. You haven't seen Russell Wilson 2185 01:53:41,280 --> 01:53:43,640 versus Justin Fields. By the numbers yet, buddy, every 2186 01:53:43,640 --> 01:53:46,800 time you hear that's fair and wonder if it's derogatory, Yeah. 2187 01:53:47,400 --> 01:53:49,920 That's fair. The spirit of ADP chasing lives 2188 01:53:49,920 --> 01:53:51,960 on. So as we say. 2189 01:53:51,960 --> 01:53:55,360 Goodbye to Sam, let's continue to chase ADP's in his honor. 2190 01:53:56,080 --> 01:53:58,760 In the end, we are all going to fucking lose anyways. 2191 01:53:59,440 --> 01:54:03,440 That seems fair. Oh my God. 2192 01:54:05,560 --> 01:54:07,560 The T Higgins. Christian Kirk, that I don't. 2193 01:54:07,560 --> 01:54:09,640 Know why that one? Particularly that one. 2194 01:54:09,640 --> 01:54:12,200 'S so getting Rona pat, just being there for that one was a 2195 01:54:12,200 --> 01:54:16,080 really, really nice. That was really good. 2196 01:54:16,880 --> 01:54:18,000 Thank. Thank you, Zach. 2197 01:54:19,040 --> 01:54:20,120 Yeah, we'll get out of here on this. 2198 01:54:20,120 --> 01:54:23,360 Thanks. Thanks to everyone who joined us 2199 01:54:23,520 --> 01:54:26,640 on this ADP chasing journey. I've seen a lot of shout outs in 2200 01:54:26,640 --> 01:54:31,120 the comment sections and yeah, I just wanted to say I'd really 2201 01:54:31,120 --> 01:54:33,200 enjoy doing the show. I really appreciate everyone who 2202 01:54:33,200 --> 01:54:38,320 tuned in and had fun with us. I had a lot of fun and Pete's 2203 01:54:38,320 --> 01:54:40,720 here, so I'll let him. No, I just, I just had to. 2204 01:54:40,720 --> 01:54:43,440 Swing by at the end. To stay, thank you for. 2205 01:54:43,960 --> 01:54:47,240 All your work, ADP chasing, stat chasing, going way back, you 2206 01:54:47,240 --> 01:54:52,480 have been an awesome addition in foil and to all of our ship 2207 01:54:52,480 --> 01:54:54,760 chasing bullshit and madness and fun. 2208 01:54:54,760 --> 01:54:58,320 So, you know, thank you again and best of luck, you know, 2209 01:54:58,320 --> 01:55:01,280 pushing paper, pencils, whatever kind of stuff you're going to be 2210 01:55:01,280 --> 01:55:03,240 doing there. And yeah, dude, we're going to 2211 01:55:03,240 --> 01:55:05,400 miss you. You crush it on this show like 2212 01:55:05,640 --> 01:55:08,320 both just from an entertainment perspective and for the channel, 2213 01:55:08,320 --> 01:55:10,840 like the channel has grown because of the good work. 2214 01:55:11,120 --> 01:55:13,760 And you know, Pat and I and Gretch have never prepped for a 2215 01:55:13,760 --> 01:55:15,160 show. And you actually brought 2216 01:55:15,160 --> 01:55:16,880 PowerPoints and slides and it's like who knows? 2217 01:55:16,880 --> 01:55:18,000 So true. Who knows. 2218 01:55:18,000 --> 01:55:21,840 It actually helps. Thank you. 2219 01:55:21,920 --> 01:55:24,240 We appreciate. You Thanks for you. 2220 01:55:24,240 --> 01:55:27,160 Yeah, I really appreciate that. Yeah, it's a ton of fun. 2221 01:55:27,160 --> 01:55:32,000 So I don't have much else to say, but I yeah, I'm going to 2222 01:55:32,000 --> 01:55:33,920 I'm going to miss this and we'll see. 2223 01:55:33,920 --> 01:55:37,720 Maybe maybe it's a Brett Farve, Tom Brady retirement 2026. 2224 01:55:37,720 --> 01:55:41,240 I'll pick up the please. You know, I'm never, never going 2225 01:55:41,240 --> 01:55:43,080 to rule anything out. So, well, we'll be here. 2226 01:55:43,080 --> 01:55:45,920 We'll be here. We'll we'll miss having say I'm 2227 01:55:45,920 --> 01:55:49,240 with this, but. Yeah, if you, if you're ever, if 2228 01:55:49,240 --> 01:55:51,280 you're trying to pull a Farve, you know where to find us. 2229 01:55:51,800 --> 01:55:53,360 Yeah, sounds good. Yes. 2230 01:55:53,800 --> 01:55:55,360 All right, we'll get out of here. 2231 01:55:55,760 --> 01:55:56,160 Peace.