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This week, we unveiled the Boomer opto on Wednesday.
We ran through a bunch of Playoff scenarios.
And tonight we are joined by our friends from establish the
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Ready to Roll up their sleeves and talk through all the nuts
and bolts of this contest will get some updated ownership
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ideas, everything else that has evolved and transpired over the
week. Let's do it.
Prior homos, Anita handjob, fix your side Jamar.
I Leone back to the stream. What?
Dink still in the on the NBA grind.
He'll be joining us soon. Yeah, dinks in the NBA Lab.
It sort of depends. I have no idea what's going on
in that world, but if news is light, he should join pretty
shortly. If news is not like it may be a
war like, 10:00 or so. Typically, what happens with,
dang, for those, you guys are familiar with this Friday show,
which I believe this is the third year.
We've now done this tradition of like their.
Yeah, yeah. We normally have some drinks
dink kind of comes in, you know, from the NBA world he hasn't
been as in the Weeds on the contest is us will give us some
like, really prescient thoughts and like some really sick plays
that will all laugh off and then they'll end up being really
good. And then he gets to say I told
you so. So excited to run that back
again. This year.
Yeah. That's how are you guys doing?
No. I'm Doing great.
I love this tradition. I would say to the chat you
should listen to dink now we won't well I'm sure whatever
plays are he has are perfectly calibrated for us to laugh at
them again and we will dismiss them but yeah I mean obviously
pay attention. You want it was Gronk and we
were all like great. We literally laughed on the
street. Yeah that's where this tradition
started. We're like Wonka's so old and
then he was like the perfect play and then went on to have a
very good regular season the following year.
Yeah. Another great year last year.
It was, was it Evans? It was two blocks, two years in
a row, right? Yeah, I think it was Evans, and
we played can, and that was mostly my fault, but we play a
lot more drunk than others. Then we played grok.
We always play Grand, Feast, jockey and bad.
So, who's gonna give you this year?
Yeah. Is it going to be fat Lenny?
That feels good anyway. Talking about this throughout
the week, you've been behind the scenes starting to to work on
this as well. Where what are your kind of like
overall thoughts on the contest this year?
It seems like one thing. We've all kind of agreed upon is
it's hard to come up with like really creative scenarios for
the bracket outside of kind of chalk finishes.
Yeah, I got as we were going through and kind of Ben and Pat
have little report of like the brackets.
We were assuming and like the matching them up with the odds.
And my brain was finally starting to wrap around some
contrarian brackets. Because if you get one upset in
round one, at that does kind of like flow through kind of weird
because it totally switches the matchups around like like like
if the Who's who's fillie? Play like in the NFC.
I was working out. Like, whoever they could Boise
at all. If you get Seattle winning they
go play Philly. Right?
Right. Giant swings.
And then, where did that terribly?
The point is you get like one upset it messes with the bracket
quite a bit. But the hard part for me has
been more like I know like past years, we've had a jaybird.
Brown versus Derek Henry and it's like super easy to flip.
What we're going to do versus what the field is going to do
because it's like we just dig in, you know, lean into that
leverage and I feel like there's a little bit less of those this
year. At least loss that we feel good
about that are like super obvious or do we have that?
Like what's the closest we have to that?
Because that we've had like, you said that Adams, Aaron Jones.
After Michael Thomas Alvin Kamara a clerk Great Play, Take
One and not playing sake 1, as 1 E, TN and Jake's receivers is
one, because those are the types of running backs that are more
like Henry to me CD lamin Barnett.
See the lamb and Pollard maybe. Yeah.
It's mostly guys. We like, though, like Chase
versus The Bangles, you know, right after soon, I love the
other thing. I love how you said, Bagels,
because you did want to say mank make six, and then they get
pushback from us. I wonder if that's going to be
thinks call. That would be.
That would get. I could see that.
Yeah, yeah. And like last You're gonna do
it. What is our?
We got to decide before we know is called what our Target,
exposure on dings calls going to be.
Is it twenty percent 15 percent? That's just because he might
come on with some random lone guy.
We can't be 20% in James Cook. Shelly asking a question that's
just the age-old DFS question. And basically a risk tolerance
thing I'll be building three or four team, should they all be
completely different or be the same core of guys with tweaks on
the fringes? You know?
Is I mean Leona you can answer this one because you get this
all the time for like three max DFS contest.
Yeah, I guess my response would be like, where do you think your
edges most? Yeah, you've got two players
that you think are amazing, leverage plays like playing and
in three, or all three or four lineups and build around that
and get different around. That if you think you're a g, is
more, just like making smart lineups that aren't going to be
duped. Then you can make four
completely different ones. So neither is more or less.
Evie than the other in a vacuum in the beauty of this contest to
like say you think Tyree kill is your Edge and he's going to be
under played by the field. You know, the Dolphins can lose
and you can still be right on your overweight thing with the
dolphin ended up in the optimal lineup.
You know, if Ty Rico's for 20-plus he'll probably end up in
the optimal lineup to there. So I feel like it's even less
risky than like DFS when you're locking someone that they put up
a zero and you're like well I guess I'm you know have nothing
else to sweat the rest of the day.
I feel like I don't know, it's a little less scary to lock
someone in ffp. See across the few lineups.
The other thing I noticed too is we're going through this.
The Odds of the, we need line up being the optimal lineup.
I think are like really low, and I don't know in my head, I I
know in the past, maybe sometimes I got tripped up
thinking, we needed to be optimal, but if you pick up a
bunch of points on a contrarian move, even if you're not
perfect, like you could definitely win this thing.
Yeah, I mean, when you start the optimal had Kendrick born, we
looked at it on Wednesday, point 14 percent or something.
He was definitely not in the winning line of.
We looked at them side-by-side, and he was like a 20, Eight
pointer. You know if you if you don't
play born he's not killing you because he's in point one point
four percent of -. But to your point, we only like
if you do play them, you don't have to be perfect the rest of
the way because you can pick up 30 points or 15 or whatever over
the next best option. There are a number of those
spots as well. Like Seattle, look anyone from
Seattle anyone from Baltimore Andrews, maybe Dobbins anyone
from the dolphins, not playing Sake, One like if you have a
what jeannot outscore, say Kwan that's massive.
Of any like not playing Jefferson.
There's like pretty big spots where if you just are right on
one of those, you're going to be.
So differentiated and also Japan like a macro standpoint, like
this contest isn't that big 7800 entries isn't gargantuan.
This isn't DK, Millie maker sighs, Underdog best Ball Mania
size. Something that would just be
absolutely impossible to win. You know what I mean?
The chalkiness of it also, makes it smaller.
In a sense, you know what I mean?
Like, there's there's less players being played because
everyone's going to condense so much Yeah.
Yeah that's the thing to I've been thinking through a lot, you
know, we've been, you know what, how, what kind of combinations
people are going to roll out, you know, I think you are going
to have these cores of plays that are cycle through and we
hit on like the Berkeley and Jefferson one early in the week.
Some of these matchups that people don't feel confident,
taking a stand and saying, hey, the Cowboys are for sure.
Going to win the Vikings, are for sure going to win and
there's some really comfy mini correlations there.
I think CD lamb Chris God. When Todd wasn't I am, I was
gonna say, I definitely know. This and I don't want like I
don't think you could feel the wind up with both those guys
that'll probably be right but like it feels even man but it
feels even more extreme than Jefferson Barker.
You definitely can't because it's a 12 spot lineup, but I'm
like every time I messed around and looked out and I'm like I
want to change one of those so bad.
Well not to mention like even just as simple thing.
Like if you were to pair one of lamb and Godwin with one of
Jefferson or Berkeley in just like mix up those pairings like
you're probably already. Setting yourself up differently
from a massive swath of lineups Leone have there been any other
takeaways for you? Like getting really into the
Weeds on this stuff? May be something that the
numbers are projections. Surprised you on here.
Mark Andrews. Looks like a really good play
even if they're one and done and that's kind of, I know a couple
of years ago. It didn't work out for us, but
we had like David Montgomery was one of them and there was
another one, dead pets from sentence tripping, me up the,
but like, these guys that are under played in their, what
their odds are being in the optimal lineup, in one game, I
feel like they're really good plays because then if there is
an upset you're like really we rolling them.
You know, like like you're already good plays if you assume
they're one and done. And then yeah.
So Andrew seems that way. Quarterback seems really tough.
I felt like last year, we had an edge, being overweight Allen and
this year based on Pat's ownership the quarterback stuffs
all seems pretty efficient to me.
So it's like I don't know that that's it.
As far as us we're entering a bunch of teams.
I'm not really sure what to do. They're like it's possible.
We just match the field on the high-end guys and And make all
these other differentiations you guys hit on.
Yeah. Pat any thoughts on?
I know you did an updated ownership sweep, any movements
that were notable and also, I should mention obviously a bunch
of guys hopped in the Discord. We do have those ownership
projections pinned in there. If you guys become a YouTube
member enjoying the deposit Kingdom Discord, there's a place
to sync your account unlock that channel in the pin.
You can get all the paths real-time ownership at.
But anything interesting there movement was As well.
So I listen to a bunch of podcast today on this contest,
listen to data, set of pod, the stress sharks guys, had a pod,
John Siegel had a pod with column so I was like listening
to a ton of stuff and just trying to get a better sense of
like where people are at. I have move Justin Tucker up a
little bit. Everyone seems to be convinced,
he is chalk. I've yet to hear someone say.
Let's put Justin Tucker in this lineup.
So I I'm sort of like is he is he really chalky's like it feels
like one of those he's everyone else is going to play in plays
that ultimately kind of doesn't come in as mega, mega High
chalk. But you know, if you're if
you're fading Baltimore, I think a decent chunk of people will go
to him and then a lot of people are going to say Baltimore and
then Travis ctn's, the guy, I was thinking he'd be like
big-time chalk early in the week.
You guys kind of talked me down. I had him around, 31 percent,
listening to other stuff. I'm like, I'm hearing a lot of
CTN and I'm also going to eat Tiana in DFS people like the
matchup so I have him back up to 37 still lower than I initially
had them. I think I had him around 45 to
start so I did cool off from the initial bullish projection, but
I don't know. I I really struggle to think
that people aren't going to be excited about playing him as a
Jaguars win type of play. Because he sort of the engine
that has you defeating the Chargers given the, the matchup,
I think, Gretchen, what do you think of that to V2?
Because we had that in the Boomer opto where we were kind
of debating it. I believe it was Godwin Riley
Patterson Versi Tian Ryan suck up.
I think. I mean, I don't know about that
specific to V2, I think, you know, I kind of hit on it
before. I think he Tian and Berkeley for
me or the to, and I love both these guys, but are the two that
I look at in the first round and go, these are very loose able
games. These are games that these guys
are going to be played at a pretty high percentage and the
types of running backs in a loss I can really easily see scoring
8 points or six points and and not being one of the top scoring
teams in a while. So I want to pick them to win, I
want to pick their team to win. In and then if I'm playing
Berkeley I'm picking the Giants to win.
Then I want to play like I want to fade Jefferson probably
because you give me one of the highest known players and play
Greg Joseph you know the kick for the Vikings.
I was giving you guys a little pictures.
I think Greg Joseph is this you know final I can play with with
Berkeley or and same with the Jackson.
I want to play jacks for the wind like Pat said and play utn
or I want to pay dtn and actively pick, you know, either
Eckler or even keen and I think you can plan The game stuff that
we've been looking at and pair that with either, you know,
Riley Patterson, like you said, or say, Jones Cristian Kirk,
Evan engram. I think that, that group,
probably, I think everything I'm probably gets a little bit over
played because he's a tight end, you know, Ted and premium site,
but I would be comfortable playing either.
Kirk was a Jones, is like a pretty low own pivot off etn in
a Jegs loss scenario. Well do you think the only I
mean it doesn't even seem like that contrarian like We've seen
Richie James and Hodgins scoreboard, outscore Berkeley a
good amount of these past weeks and same with these A Jones
Ingram Kirk triumvirate, you know, verse etn.
Like, it doesn't even seem that off the board to me.
Yeah, I mean, Barclays, game log is not that crazy, you know, if
you go through it, it's kind of middling, you know, it's pretty
consistent, but it's there aren't a lot of huge ceiling
performances. Your was a long stretch where he
wasn't doing anything. Yeah.
He had a really good performance against Minnesota and I think he
closed out the year pretty good, except for week. 18.
I know which worked out in pets favor, which was pretty awesome.
The other thing, too, I'm the Jefferson fee to like Jefferson
could score 20 and if like Joseph scores 10, you know, you
could easily be fine. They're like he doesn't have to
be outscored by a teammate necessary.
Like if it's just another skill player, he probably has to be
outscored by a teammate, but on the feed side, there's
definitely some maneuverability there.
Yeah. Yeah.
And Ryan saying to and I think this is the dynamic that is
keeping like giants. Pass catchers and Jags past,
catchers down because they're just like paralysis by choice.
Here is far as like I don't know which one so I'll just go to the
one thing that feels like a constant.
And that is that the rb1 is etm the rb1 is Berkeley.
I don't know. I definitely one of the we
should exploit one of the things about both those passing game
because it's true for the Giants.
To like, who do you pick? Richard James as a Hodgins and
Pat's favorite. They are in the entire NFL
Darius Layton. Like there's there's where do
you go with this? But the Jags have been
incredibly concentrated all year.
The reason that Evan engram had a 40-point game and say Jones
has had a monster spiking and Cristian, Kirk has had several
like really strong games is this is a concentrated passing game
that is thrown effectively in Lawrence has been good in the
team, has been able to throw enough, the pies been big enough
and then it consolidates on one of those three in any given
game. Like it is spread but they can
put up ceiling games like this. This is the type of passing
game. We've seen that from all three
of them to the idea of like a loss or two of the losing teams,
we need, you know, the highest score to high-scoring players
from six losing teams in Wildcard Weekend, a Jegs pass
catcher. Feels like of the three feels
like a pretty good bet to make and you know, it is hard to pin
down but that part of it, I feel good about and similar what the
Giants, like it it has actually Consolidated this last month or
so. It has been Richie, James and
Hodgins, there are three but there's not like A fourth or a
fifth that's really involved in that passing game.
Right now, it's really been to top to really has been Richie,
James, and Isaiah Hodgins slayton's.
Kind of fallen off a little bit. Yeah, there, I mean in terms of
who's on the field, it's extremely condensed.
I mean, those guys, James Slade in Hodgins Ballinger are
playing, like, 80 to 100% of the snaps, like in a playoff game,
like those guys are playing eight.
Those are the guys. So and this advantage of us,
having multiple entries were like Pete said, like if you're
making one line up and Know which of these to choose.
You just go with Berkeley but we're making. 75 is easy.
Like playful play 5%, slated, 5%, audience, 5%, I don't know
it. That feels hi to me.
I don't I don't want 15% Jones wide receiver.
I wanna go, I just want to feed. I mean if you look at like did
you have as projections around the industry and everything like
I mean I kind of do want 15%. Okay, well I mean yeah he's guys
have been and so here is a quick peek.
This is Pat's current Jags projection etn 37% Ingram 21,
Kirk, 15, Patterson, 13's, A Jones 7%.
I am starting to feel a little bit more etn steam to where I
wonder if Ingram is even that high.
Yeah. Okay.
I mean, honestly, I've been sort of Of keeping it, keeping the
lid on. Because you guys have been
telling me, I was too bullish on ET ends ownership, but give me
the word and I'll raise it, I think.
Yeah, I think maybe more like 41 or something.
I was a little worried just because there were some concerns
about his health. But like you said Pat like all
the chatter this week about the matchup, how you beat the
Chargers, everyone is on etn and this spot.
And if you're playing the Jags as a win, I guess the question
is if people play this game both ways but they're playing it as a
charger. When do you think they're
comfortable with etn in Lost scenarios?
You know, so, I was thinking through etn, really pairs nicely
with Keenan Allen because that's your playing is a Jaguars win
and you know, Keenan Allen coming back but I think he Tian
can get there with some explosive long runs in the
Jaguar still lose. And then Keenan Allen is like
totally fine with two you know two games.
You go to the arrowhead with Keenan Allen like you feel
totally fine about that. So So I probably, I don't think
you like can't play him with Eckler.
You're probably going to need to do something else and pivot off.
Some of the other Mega chalk, but he appears pretty nicely
with Keenan. And part of the reason is that I
do think he's not dead and a loss.
I know he's not catching passes and stuff, but this is projects,
the high scoring game like he could easily get in the end zone
at a loss. Yeah I lost has happened in all
sorts of ways. Like I mean they could be
winning the game for three quarters and moose like Yeah,
and here's the, you know, to compare it because I do think
there's some, you know, good analogies between the Giants in
the Jags and yet you see the ancillary Giants, you don't have
quite the same name, bad name brand value.
I mean, Leone's laughing right now, because he sees Richie
James that what percent I'm racist in this up now, is he
Leone that's alone? We're probably looking to get,
this is like a 20-point ceiling projection on.
Richie James. This week, this is our Kendrick
born. This is our It's our chance to
talk about how you don't chase Kendrick warn.
You don't chase tedric born when you have Jamar chase, you guys
know we're live on stream, right?
We we played The Cat, we played the wrong Kendrick, but we
played Jacoby buyers. Like we had that.
We had Jacobian Myers and Hunter Henry.
You know, like we'd actually did try this last year, we just
picked the wrong guy. Second line up.
I built this year. I put Isaiah hundreds, it l is
like I've already off the why I put it in red, on our little
list is just like, like some mind if ideas talking, like that
shit absolutely come to grips with the fact that Hodgins has
passed late. In either of these projections.
I know Flames is 0% buddy. I literally just raise them all
to 2% barking down to 53 situation.
I'm just I'm projecting what's going to happen and based on the
way you three guys are acting, I don't think 0% Hodgins is going
to be accurate, people who are playing DFS or playing this
contest. They're clicking these guys in
DFS all weekend long like yeah, they're probably will play in
between the three. Do you think there's a like
Slayton games and Hodgins, do you think people consolidate or
should I have it even across the board?
I think James and Hodgins are higher because of the way they
played the last month. Yeah, I think they are too.
I'm feel like I know I'm, I mean like the six-game, slight this
weekend and I lowered James manually a little bit upside in
a little bit, to get them, like, even part of thats just cuz The
ownership is flipped and I still think like slayton's, I don't
know, it's, it's hard for me to wrap my head around Slayton
being clearly behind Richie, James, and Isaiah Hodgins.
But yeah, dude. I don't know, like, we've got
pretty good projections on all those guys.
I mean, This game could shoot out the Giants.
PR o-- e is up over the last third of the season, the game
environment is one of the better totals.
It's a dome game like well this this actually kind of tracks
right as a funny comment here he says the trendiest upset picking
the league, has three guys was 0% and it makes perfect sense
but if P more people were just Vikings route don't you think
people would be more inclined to play it through the passing
game? Where it's like, hey garbage
time Richie James, like we've seen that, how many weeks
already this year? So it kind of makes sense to me
that if people are saying, the Giants are going to win, they
want to games of Berkeley one of those, in a positive game
script. I wonder if I just have the
Giants fade too high because it wasn't me, like, I'd rather just
fade the Giants. You guys are saying, like, let's
dabble with the receivers. And if people have that mindset
than, even if they way that the Vikings one of these receivers
is going to outscore, Berkeley over two games.
Just put that Out there. That's my odd.
Take, I'm with God. It is.
That is hot. I mean I don't know if I'm quite
there but I definitely think it's possible.
Dude. Like look like okay.
So the last time I mean this is just one game but they Like
Dimes throw 42 times last time Slayton went 4479 Hodgins 889
and a touchdown. Richie James, 84 90 like, do
these guys can definitely get there.
I don't think they're that thin a place.
Honestly, they're better than Kendrick born last year.
For sure. Yeah, they're way stronger than
Kendrick. Born was as a play.
This is so rude. He's worried about our
portfolio. Not look, I was looking forward
to tonight and now I'm not a good thing is.
Yeah. If we get dusted, only a few of
us are going to feel it. This is the thing I've been
thinking about this for this contest in particular, because
ZZ says how much leveling is there?
Easy kind of referencing the dynamic we've been seeing and
small field mid to high stakes GPS this year like all kinds of
leveling you know the ownership being a moving Target, people
reacting to ownership projections and who knows?
Maybe even some flag plants here and there, and getting weird
stuff happening. Do we think in this contest this
year on a site where we've seen draft rooms get more pissed boy,
asked people, drafting sharper, is there going to be more
leveling here in this contest or are boomers going to Boomer?
I will be some leveling, but like, there's also part of the
fun of this contest is that you should play a lot of chalk like
that. You, you know, like a sharp line
of can be one that has like a several Mega chalk pieces in it,
because they're clearly the most likely players score the most
points. So, it's sort of a is the Eckler
Keenan disparity closer than we expect, you know, maybe the
Jamar J.c. Higgins.
Disparity closer than we expect, like that type of stuff I could.
I could see missing low on the Alan Higgins side, but I don't
know that like fundamentally, it's going to be like way off
the normal. Yet.
The Boomer optimal is going to be duped.
Yeah, it's gonna be duped. I agree.
There's probably be like first level leveling and then like
maybe less running back exposure.
Then there's been, you know, a relative to what there would be
with the exact same slate like a couple years ago.
But I don't know if it'll be I don't know.
I still feel pretty good about where we're at with our stuff.
Yeah. Um, Gretch.
Have you had any updated? Thoughts, epiphanies over the
course of the week, I'm in a few thoughts about several of home.
The only made a good point at the top about the NFC bracket.
If we do, get the Giants winning in particular, they would head
to Ali. And then, you could have San
Fran against like, Dallas or Tampa thing.
Either dowels, attempt could probably beat San Fran.
I've been kind of mentally my head really in, on the
favorites. But, or I mean, Seattle
potentially beat San Fran. And, and just how that can then,
obviously, Seattle goes to Philly and how they could
trickle down. If Seattle and the Giants, both
one, you could have Dallas with a home game in the second round
or tamper with a home game. In the second round.
There are weird things that can happen.
I think it's more plausible in the NFC.
I'm having a hard time with the AFC.
I mean, I actually kind of want to Circle back To that when you
made a point early on, it was good one.
But like for our teams, are we going to play the Ravens or the
Dolphins to win anything? Because I, we don't know, should
should we? I mean, not not much, but the
Ravens is definitely one that flips.
The you get, you get KC into the championship pretty easily.
If you get Ravens and arrow had, you also can indulge him pretty
easily. Not the face to Bangles, right?
And then you don't get the bills increasing the bangle.
The one that like, I'm also having trouble wrapping my head
around. I'm probably under estimating,
but like I really have a tough time having the if it plays out
Chalk in the first round, having the Chargers or Jaguars, beat
the Chiefs, an arrowhead, which I think the end of the Chargers
could beat the Chiefs. Yeah, I'm probably gonna slice
it. But again, like you guys setting
up that comparison thing I think helped like when we ran
different brackets. I think we started to get that
like evened out a bit. Yeah.
The Mike Will. Back fracture and knowing that
he won't even be playing in the KC game.
Next week, as me a little bit less excited about that, you the
terms are still. So, you know, thinned out from
all their injuries all year, they were not Slater at left
tackle. I mean, a lot of the things
haven't come back, their skill positions, were the part that
was really getting their health plans is playing better though.
Yeah, that's true. Jegs defense has been playing.
Well, Sean is getting. I think that's I think that's
all schedule. They've had the easiest thing
for the easiest schedule. I think their 30th and passing
video way. Still.
It's like let me pull it's like laughable.
Their schedules been laughable. I'm bananas.
Sean is getting me a little charged up about the Jags
potentially being we had talked on Wednesday and thought maybe
the Chargers made more sense and I'm sorry kind of fallen off
that with this new zip, my claims is definitely not going
to play either this week or next week, but Sean had a thought
that the jig's could kind of be this year's Bangles.
Almost Trevor Lawrence plays really well.
Maybe they go into Casey and are able to link has heard.
He's been playing better to, but you're saying it's all kind of
schedule, I think. So since the body of 27 points
of the Ravens, 40 points to the Lions, 22 points, the Titans 34
points to the Cowboys, then they then they held the Jets 23, the
Texans, 23 and Josh Dobbs to 16. So the last three weeks it's
like, oh, here we go. But that's not impressive to me,
are those guys not as comparable to Patrick Mahomes?
Zack well-fitted a monsoon, not comfortable, but I think Patrick
Mahomes would, like, when I have Jags to Casey, I, I want that.
That to be Mahomes lineup like I think he likes them all up.
So here's my question about the, are we playing either of the
Dolphins or Ravens? As winds to me?
You can play Mark Andrews and a loss.
You could also play them in a win.
How, what would be the actionable way to play the
Ravens in a win? Just a full fade on the Bangles
or saw fade on the Bangles? Yeah.
That's where you go Higgins. That's where it gets tough as if
you have the cojones to actually do some sort of fade on either
Buffalo or Cincinnati. I think I'm more likely to do
that on Cincinnati than Buffalo. I mean, the spread is
meaningfully different in terms of odds to win the game.
I mean, I could see maybe doing that but like yeah, it's your
point, like most of the time you're just taking the
optionality that like you get an extra game out of Tyre, you get
an extra game out of Andrews and you're still playing a skilled
player on the other side. Yeah.
But maybe you pivot to secondary guy with a low total.
I mean I guess you can do the Bengals D, I was gonna say plan,
McPherson kicker, like it's almost like the case I was going
to make it. If you're gonna fade, the
Bengals, don't soften them and play McPherson because the
Bengals, you know, offense is good.
The Ravens. Are beating them, they're
probably beating them by running out um hard you can maybe play
Dobbins. I mean, maybe Domino's runs for
180 yards, that's really the only other guy.
Who you could without lighting money on fire Dobbins is far
down. You can go on the Raven.
Yeah. But then I think you're almost
you're at a point where you're considering full fading, The
Bangles, you're saying, Burrows throwing for 200 yards, like
they are not working offensively.
If they can't beat the Ravens, it's not that the Ravens are
lighting up the scoreboard and getting into a shootout with
them, right? Yeah, probably not.
I could I could see it Bangles fade in some capacity.
Yeah, Bangles DST maybe, you know.
So if you do do that, if you do a Bangles fade then you know,
obviously Chiefs would be at home verse the Ravens and the
bills would be at home from the Jackson.
Would that alter your strategy for the rest of that line up on
the AFC side? I feel pretty good about just
going like chalk, Ellen, Kelsey Uh yeah.
Isn't that right? This is the think you make me
pull my breath. My hair out is like, even when I
talked myself into a one-game upset, I don't think that team
is good enough to them. Like, the Ravens can maybe win
against the Bengals. I don't think another thing go
win against the Chiefs. Now, I just think it's cheese.
Fills, you know, it's okay, it's just built.
It's also like, what is this? It's to blow out. you know, is
and to some extent, it doesn't matter, you know, matters with
Mahomes Mahomes you need to be in the Super Bowl, pretty much
like probably need more homes in the Super Bowl given the
strength of Kelsey at tight end there and this just the strength
of the other quarterbacks but that you don't like Alan you
only need in the conference Championship.
Like if you played like, if this went chalk even and it was
Bangles, that beat the Ravens and you had Jaguars go to the
Super Bowl. Like, I don't know if that would
change the whole time, like you're still kind of like maybe
a Lawrence team would squeeze through, but you're still mostly
like flipping a coin between the four jacks skill players.
Look who it is. True dink Meyer, welcome to the
stream Drew. I don't know if you have seen
But around here. Pat now makes everyone do this
thing where they like get really close to the camera and kiss.
And he kind of puts his hand out and you kind of have to kiss the
ring if you are willing to do that your words?
Oh no, I'm just I'm, I'm impressed.
Pat still here, I hung out with us, but that's cool.
Someone not only is packed here but he is the technical
co-manager at all these teams. Wow.
And I trust ya gotta Outsource that Davis matter can be had for
a fee. I'm sure that small fee very
small fee. Well someone was in the ship
chasing Discord earlier asking if we would have the audio
version of this show out tonight because I want to, they weren't
sure they would be able to get to the YouTube version.
And I said, unfortunately, for you, the person who handles that
side of the show operation is a multi-millionaire now.
So I don't know if expediency is going to be part of the audio
strategy, these days, but we will try, um dink.
You know, we were just talking at the top of the show how you
normally come in hot with some really smart.
You know. Gal, brain ideas that we all
laugh off and then you tell us how you were right in
Retrospect. Well, I like that usually,
kretsch. Remember something that I said
that was sharp and suggested. I was, right?
And we forget all the other stuff that I say that we could
probably total crap. So I'm going to really rely on
Gretch. I I have no idea what I even
said last year. I just remember the year before
I said something about Kronk and in that in that so cold.
So you press the bus Whisperer you got my cabins last year in
chronic two years ago. Oh, did I amazing?
Yeah. Okay.
As always, I'll try to get up to
speed on this contest because all I've been doing is drafting
The Gauntlet. So that's my entire playoff,
exposure of these days. How many, how many entries are
you at. Can you rival Davis's?
109 Mitten drafts yesterday that he revealed to be.
He did, I met 111 cutlet wraps. Okay, so I can rival.
I can't rival. Are you guys telling me how busy
you are with NBA? And to give you a break and then
you come on here and talk about 111 Gauntlet dress.
Yeah. It's a look.
I I don't sleep much these days and you let him be a games going
on at work on NBA. When there's not I draft gone
steams just what it is. It's the double-edged sword of
bragging about how many drafts you do.
Is a lot of other people in your life come out of the woodwork
saying when were you doing all those drugs?
Yeah. Yep.
So Didn't you have any like we've just been talking through
various kind of play off scenarios?
If we could Envision any upset type stuff, involving the
Ravens, the Dolphins we haven't talked a ton in the NFC.
We did go over the Giants stuff. Pat is bewildered by our Richie
James. Isaiah Hodgins love over here.
But do you have any, like, upset takes for like, the macro
bracket stuff? So the way that I've been
playing things, I think it's really hard in the AFC to get
away from the three teams that everybody thinks that are way
better than everybody else. The top three seeds, the
Chargers would be the team that I think is talented enough to
make a run, but I just really do not trust them in any way, shape
or form. And then, in the NFC, I think
it's pretty wide open. So, I've been taking shots on.
I'm pretty heavy in The Gauntlet.
I'm pretty heavy on Buck stuff. Dallas stuff just kind of
betting on like if whoever wins that game can make a run is
really is really what I think I heard.
He's been great. Obviously, everybody's obsessed
with Purdy now but he has played some relatively soft.
Our opponents will see. When I don't think, I don't
think tomorrow will be a challenge, but we'll see when
things were in pup in the playoffs.
So that's really what I've been doing.
And on the on the, you know, on the underdog stuff is just super
hard to build teams with Casey and Philadelphia and build them
intelligently. So, I'm sort of also Reason I'm
leaning into the Tampa Bay and Dallas side, a little bit more,
would want to think there's a chance that Minnesota, you know,
offensively it would be fun if they could make a run, but they
are so bad. So yeah, those are the teams to
have been dollars for the ones that I'm kind of zeroed in on
the box again. Yeah, I mean for, I mean, I
think the playoffs Lenny thing is is a real thing.
We know it, we call it. We got it.
I think, I think that's, I think that's kind of a real thing.
So yeah, that's the guy that's the guy most.
So, I mean that, that on the gauntlet those relative to like,
ATP, as well. Yeah, Evans and God when they're
a little bit tougher to snag, but I think just said we have to
be overweight lady. I'm not even going to go.
I do want to ask you like in my head.
I just see. Scenarios where like, even in a
loss. Like we see like eight, check
towns to Lenny. Finds the box.
Like yeah, seriously multi that Cardinals thing or, you know,
it's just ugly as hell. And he gets there.
Yeah. Andy.
Basically, if the playoff Lenny things real, I guess.
That's the question. There's still been a lot of
runningback fantasy points in this backfield.
You know, like they've still been there as bad as they've
been. It just been somewhat split.
Hey, got, I mean, I know this sounds like a typical take From
a ship Chaser, but hasn't it been like a true rotation?
Yes. I mean, Richard 50/50.
So I mean honestly, with these Boomers talking about playing
their playoff, Lenny, I think we should have white, we should be
overweight as well. I mean, what if I mean I am also
overweight, Richard white. So I don't, I don't disagree
with that, but I think I think the Bucks running backs is a
really good spot to attack. Generally as Mike noted, there's
a lot of fantasy points available there and then they
don't have any of the Kind of appeal like God which everybody
loves Godwin, right? But Godwin this year has not
generated big plays. It's just been kind of.
It's been kind of like a guards at a time all year and then
Evans obviously like you know the last week of the season they
counted that people cared about Evans when I absolutely am.
So that's going to be fresh in people's minds as well.
I can never say, oh, go ahead. Oh, it's like Godwin, you know,
I said, the Jefferson like a Jefferson scores 20.
He could still like not be in the lineup in a loss.
Like God when I think people are overplaying his odds of being
like good in a loss because they're like oh it's floor.
So high you know as you go 8480 and like the soft fade could
really could still win out pretty easily.
If he goes 8480 right in a loss in the thing, that's different,
I would say about the Box running backs, a to etn who,
like hasn't been catching a lot of passes in, might be a dud in
a Chargers. Win is like you could easily see
the Cowboys, like blow out the box and Rashad white or Lenny
like have 17 points. It's just with eight, you know,
second half check towns. Like, that's very live.
Yeah. So yeah, God wouldn't there's
four receivers or five or so years.
That have a open score on 538 of 42, which is not good.
Noah Brown. The Andre Carter gave Davis
Chris God when in Marvin Jones that's wide receiver 673.
They're all time for wide receiver 73.
I think Godwin's been like way dustier than people realize this
year because there's been so much Volume and it's just been
like enough that enough that it's not disappointing people,
but relative to the expectation of what he was pre-injury in
terms of efficiency that hasn't been there in any way shape or
form. I didn't Interline metrics
aren't good either. I agree with that.
I think I would make a case that it's been better late that there
was a talk when they played in in Germany.
Remember like on the broadcast, who do they play in Germany?
Seattle. I thought he was saying that he
finally felt ready to go in that game.
I yeah, kind of from that point on I felt like he's been a
little bit more so I could totally agree.
He's looked at whale especially early, early was really?
Yeah. It was like, all is really the
one yard to yard passes. It was gross.
Dink. You mentioned wanting to maybe
think about scenarios. We could play the Vikings on a
Deep Run. We were talking about this
earlier in the week, like if you do like, if you play the Vikings
as a Deep Run, you're playing Jefferson.
And then the entire field was playing Jefferson even in
Vikings in a loss. And so that's why it's like hard
to capitalize on, even a contrarian Vikings run.
Yeah, it's really hard. It's also, I would imagine it
would also be one of the we get like the equivalent of the
national championship game in the Super Bowl of the Vikings
went on a run. I mean, Like it rings.
So like I don't know if I could handle the Vikings run even
though I think my goal in the team's would probably benefit
from it because I have a, I have a whole bunch of Dalvin cook and
I'm feeling and TV Hawkinson. I have you been taken feeling
over Osborne I've been mixing it up.
I've been mixing it up but I have this conversation on etm
with Leonid. I thought there's maybe it's all
like, it's all I test and not spreadsheet version data
analysis but it feels like it feels like Osburn as as maybe
usurp some of that role in a meaningful way.
The last few weeks. Yeah.
All right. Michael's, run the most likely
way they do it is that they play the 49ers in round 2.
And then the Buccaneers or the Cowboys is going to the Eagles.
So I feel like you like you're playing Jefferson and then
you're probably hard fading, or softening the Giants and then
you're probably playing like Debo or kettle on the 49ers.
And that's essentially like how you differentiate from the all
the rest of the people who are playing Justin Jefferson.
Yeah with it. And that's what we it goes back
to that. Simple thing we're saying, like
if you're not playing Jefferson with Berkeley, you're already
off to like a decent start there.
Yeah. And then to your point, maybe
you're not playing him with CMC, the other chalk, the next chalk
running back. They would face in the bracket,
right? And then I think, once they're
in the conference Championship, you can do whatever you want
with an eagle or, you know, a buck or Cowboy at that point.
You've gotten enough off the chalk.
You're fine. Yeah.
Does anybody have QB Tate's? Like are we just going to be
born at QB? That's like you would say not
really man. Yeah.
Early in the week we're in like let's do a ton of Allen but then
we also had Ron like all Buffalo Super Bowl scenarios early in
the week and And then also the who scripted those up.
Do you think it was you? And then it was like, it seems
like Yankees in the 40s. I think he is, too.
I mean, are you lucky? So P.
We got that scratch over the LT, but like, what do you think
about, like, are we going to dabble it all on the surprising
Super Bowl, run teams like a quarterback.
So yeah, that was going to be my next question.
There of like, how far down this list, do you want to go?
You know, I know. So our stat chasing guys on.
Tuesday, we're talking about Brock maybe being like more
efficient around like a five percent usage rate and he's
going to probably come in under that.
I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to that definitely into
Borough as an option. But I meant I do struggle going,
like, super off the wall because especially with some of these
other teams, right? Like, say the Chargers the Jags,
make the Super Bowl, like, the way Lawrence and Herbert play.
I feel like there's a really good chance.
The skill position player is still the I play in a Super Bowl
ring with Alan and hurts on either side of the bracket and
as like top favorites to be the opposite, you know, the opposing
quarterback to a run for a Lawrence or a DAC or somebody.
I mean those guys with how much they run would be the
quarterback in those scenarios. It's I mean you can obviously
have a Lawrence verse you know Dak I guess or Purdy that'd be
it right? Lawrence Herbert first Purdy and
it could be Lawrence and Herbert.
But like, I look at this and the way the bracket set up this year
and everything and I'm like, how far down we want to go?
I think the fourth name that's where I burn.
That's where I'm at to. You guys will murder me but the
1qb who does pop, if his team goes to the Super Bowl is Brady
pops. It's like too much.
Even in a Super Bowl, run, you know, Brady pops like wait.
A higher than Purdy does like, so I would definitely play.
Brady ahead of pretty obviously. Pretty seems more likely to go
the Super Bowl, but we get to the final round with a
contrarian, Brady like anything can happen.
Stat shut the fuck up. You could play, Brady out like
two teams, right, and we'd be overweight, right?
What, what odds would you guys put it at the knows who he's
playing for next year? Like 100 and it's not the box,
it's not the Bucks, I don't know where he's going but I'm pretty
sure he already knows it. He's already really checked out
where you go all you're saying he's checked out.
Yeah he's right he's out. He's out the door.
I'd be finding just the top for though.
Yeah. Yeah.
I mean didn't you have any of these other ones you'd mess
around with unfortunately had a group like the Brady would be
the only one because if you think if you think about like so
let's let like just play through Two teams that get to the Super
Bowl. Herbert could could probably
carry his team offensively in terms of, in terms of
point-scoring and be like, the player you'd want from that
team. But in that scenario, you're
going, you're going through two of the best teams in football.
Most likely to get their Brady. You know, I think he'd be the
leading, so I think he'd be a really good bet to be the
leading scorer on his team. Lawrence, I don't know.
I Guess he spreads it around and if they could but I don't see
any shot that they could really make a run pretty.
Feels awful to me, pretty feels just like a really terrible play
and then the one lean on the top.
Four guys that I'd say is like Mahomes feels great to me just
because relative to the other guys like if they make deep
runs, I don't know if Hertz is going to run a ton.
I don't know what his health situation is and if he's not
running a ton and Philadelphia somehow making a Deep Run, he's
not Not the the score you want. It's either a j or devaugntah in
those scenarios and Mahomes I think in almost every scenario,
he's the guy you wanted. Most Kelsey is just like eating
up a huge huge percentage of it. That's the the issue is just for
that item premium scoring. It's it's tight with coughs.
I think the homes is a very good place 18% to but it there are
surprising amount of situations where The combination of Alan
and Kelsey can get there. Even if Alan losses in the
conference Championship, you get the double points in the Super
Bowl for Mahomes but you get them for you, get for Kelsey to
and it's like it's three games for Alan verse four games for my
homes because he's getting the double for the Super Bowl but
like it's still wind up. Being Alan Kelsey on a lot of
those yeah yeah yeah yeah just as like it I'm sure dink is
noticed this too just as like another sentiment indicator from
underdog Laughs. I mean Josh Allen like is the
number one with a bullet, like never Falls.
Like people will take CMC over hurts him home sometimes they'll
take Chase over hurts in the homes.
Like whenever I see these ownership projection them just
like Alan's going to be higher like people fucking love Alan
right now in these contests it's work on we are than 40.
Where does it come from them? Because that's what I struggle
with the like. Yeah you know back people
playing gak are people playing Dak Prescott like that?
Yeah. Maybe Maybe he's no, give it a
three percent, it's not unreasonable.
But I'm still just like who's clicking that button.
I mean, don't go too far because we played a lot of deck.
Last year we played a decent about a deck last year.
It wasn't that different? Yeah we yeah I bet I could see
doing the top four and then like Three or four percent Brady, and
then maybe one other, but I probably Lobby for the Brady of
dinks on board with it, the our distribution T.
If we're doing, like, I'm okay with, like, a something gross.
But it, we can't be doing pretty and Brady.
I don't like Purdy. I mean, I'd be fine.
Just doing like I give me three Brady lineups.
And then the rest of the top four, like do the thing, hang
on, let me divide 3 by 75. It's four percent.
Do we start to just lower that 230 to get more leverage or you
think about it through this lens?
Because shift brings up a good point.
If Allen's 40%, what's that Alan?
Kelsey combo to be like can you play Allen with non Kelsey
combos in immediately be very unique Yeah, I just don't want
to like I don't think we also still need to acknowledge like
Kelsey has been pretty shitty the past six weeks.
Like that doesn't mean he can't be good, but like we have seen
him come back down to earth. So, who would you play in Kansas
City? Probably McKinnon.
Yeah, I meant that you could do McKinnon.
I just, I don't know if you want to do a lot of those though.
Yeah, you saw fade Kansas City. She was a problem is I mean like
their round to their games. Going to be, I mean it's
Jacksonville Chargers are ultim or or Miami like I don't think
he can. Yeah, I had its, I feel better
like, soft fading Cincinnati. I don't know, maybe I shouldn't.
I do think, based on this convo Juju is going to come in at like
5 percent. I think.
What do I think? I have that one.
Yeah, lower the comment like five because people are gonna be
like you want to pull up Casey. I think I have my one, I just
took by the way I raised Allen 243 drop Prescott and pretty 21.
Just trying to find just trying to squeeze in some more Alan.
Yeah, that's probably about the limit with this quarterback
crop, but right, I mean, maybe there's less hurts.
Maybe people just really aren't into playing hurts, but yeah, I
projected like 33% Allen last year and he came in 23 is one of
my bigger, mrs. I mean, Alan can lose in the
second round. Like the Bangles can beat the
bills. That's a tough matchup.
Yeah. And then hurts his like the
chalk in any sinner. I mean, as long as the Eagles,
make the Super Bowl, but like hurts getting the Super Bowl
bonus and getting four games and alimony getting to is going to
be hurts, right? If yeah.
So want to play a bunch of Alan, so I'm not going to raise him to
the point that we that we decided not to play him so we
could just, we're not good enough.
It's just like, dude, I think I think the thing.
Thing that I'd Almost Do. Pat is like if you think about
the hurt stuff, I do think there's some recency bias here
with people worried about his health.
He didn't like tear things up in that game against the Giants.
He didn't play well at Chicago before that, like, that is
colored in people's minds right now.
Like people aren't excited to click Jalen hurts, especially
when they think of the opportunity cost at quarterback
to. Like, that's my only thought of
how people are thinking about her, that might be true.
I listened to Davis's pod and he was like, saying hurts, he
thought Hertz is going to be Mega chalk, but they also said,
Holmes would be Mega chalk and then I'll sit out to make sure
Ryan Ryan with a great comment down here.
Pat docs to an account for the first time in his already budget
with that beautiful. Yeah, okay sober.
Oh yeah, does it forth? What it like, what's our
distribution here? Like, let's say we do the top
four and then you guys throw me a bone on three Brady lineups.
Like, how are we destroy? We just matching the field
basically. Well, I think burrow might be a
little little undervalued. From the perspective of we saw
him make a Super Bowl run, but he didn't throw for any
touchdowns and, you know, Joshua Allen still made the optimal and
still made the winning line up but like if the Bangles go to
the Super Bowl this year, In route to their almost certainly
playing the bills. The other almost certainly
playing the Chiefs in round three.
I mean they're going to have broken get there.
Yeah they're gonna have to throw a lot so you can get there.
Like I think he's I think he's gonna potentially Blow Away what
he did last year in the playoffs and your Maxine Mahomes and Alan
at two games in all those Center and most of those scenarios are
instantly. Oh yeah your next question.
Well I think I would prefer to do would be Underway Allen by
maybe 10% in slide that over to hurts Mahomes and burrow and
then as part of that Alan 30%, maybe 10 to 12 percent of that
being, the non chalk combos with those other quarterback teams.
So McKinnon with Allen diwan to Smith T Higgins with those guys.
So then you have your like a third of the field on the chalk
combos. They're going to have and then
the other third or whatever is kind of like so.
You're pairing, you'd be like sub 20 percent Allen, Kelsey
stuff, exact terrified of going under.
Wait, Alan to be. Honestly, I do.
But I'm not gonna say too, and I don't think this is right, but
my gut is like, 50% plus Alan like, 40% hurts underweight
Mahomes place and burrow and that's it.
That's where I'm more. I'm more worried than you.
Probably not, right? That's kind of where I lean
because I, because my home's to me feels like he's got to get to
the Super Bowl. Yeah he does but he's also got a
pretty easy. He's got to buy in a Subway,
easy round one game and then you know at worse than you know
neutral site I just think like if if we are wrong and we are
under on this Alan stuff and then we are chasing trying to be
over on Alan and then we end up just slightly over because the
field is jamming and that doesn't feel good.
But I think if if he's so the case I try to make the other day
when I was saying, I think you could be 50% or higher Fire is
that? I also think efficient is 50% or
higher because when we saw last year and get there in two games,
hurts gives up the extra game. Neutral site, AFC Championship
Game neutral site 8. You get this really, you know,
math don't Dome potentially do know.
He basically is a one seed, with an extra game, he's a onesie
with an extra. There's no way that you play on
the road and a true Road game. Only a neutral site, I mean and
yes, well I don't think we should go under way down.
I really don't maybe and maybe that means I have the ownership
to love probably does. But I still, I mean, if you look
at the chat right now, I mean the the septum is really bullish
Ali. Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna dish.
It Alan is my question Pete. What do you think?
It's unreasonable. The official Lamar Jackson in
his Big Time season. Whoa, 2019, 2018, whatever.
That was he was 55 percent owned I do know the other person's
probably efficient the I think like 40% sea fish.
I don't think it's 50. Dude, like hurts in my homes
could potentially have like, not hard passes, Super Bowl.
Like and then at least 40% out. Good.
I guess I won't be pushing for like 50, but what do you think
of my thought pattern of just being very intentional with the
combos? You're playing around here and I
like that. Yeah, because you're going to
be, I mean, one your capping, your Chiefs games, you know, a
little bit, you also capping your Bangles Games to two.
So maybe those are less Chase. Maybe play a little more Higgins
without if. Yeah, if you're if you're
playing a lot of Alan, I think you're you're considering saw
fate considerations on on Bangles and whatnot.
Like the, the one thing, this is the, the challenge that I've
been having with the gauntlet stuff where I'm loading up on,
like Bangles teams', I'm a little bit concerned.
It both more Stevens is very good, and I'm a little bit
concerned that the first game especially like, The goal is a
different format, you have to get out of the first round.
I'm a little bit concerned about like can they put up enough
points to get out of the first round?
So I've been trying to build teams that have some players
from games like one-offs and stuff and then Bengals Onslaught
so they can come back and later rounds.
But that's the risk for the for the Bengals is like, what if,
what if the first game is kind of slow?
They have to settle for a bunch of field goals.
They end up, you know, holding off Cincinnati, and then they
get knocked out of the next game and it's essentially like one
and a half games. Instead of two games from an
offensive perspective. So I do think if you're playing
Buffalo heavy or you're playing Alan heavy specifically you
want, you want to think of ways to be lighter the Bengals?
Generally, that's a good call. Yeah, I think I would still want
a lot of Allen Kelsey, because of the twelve.
I mean, since this is a 12-man roster, as you can take some of
the chalk. But I still want to chase like I
want to get in the the were like, oh the fields playing this
much Alan, so we have to up it, like we should almost be
thinking the opposite. Sure.
Yeah. I was more like, when like
people are 30%, I'm like, I don't do 30 but I also don't
want to do 50. So I'm kind of in the board like
forgot what the field does. I feel like 40% is good, it
might offend some kind of been independent of the ownership
We're sort of all week. Yeah, you know we've talked
about a little bit. I've been kind of like let's
play a lot of our lucky. Looks like really good play.
It does look like I think 40s about right, though.
So like I feel like, if we play 40, he just comes in where he
comes in, you know, like, I'm cool with that.
But like, when you think of the scenarios, right?
Like you look about you look at the Bills game last week, where
they, you know, pretty much handled the Pats and Alan was
just fine, didn't go nuclear. And like that could easily
happen in this spot against the Dolphins.
Pick six punt, return touchdown, whatever Allen has a muted game
and then you have a really tough game against the Bangles, like
the paths to Allen failing aren't as crazy as it seems.
I know when we looked at like how he pops even into games and
can end up in the optimal, I get that but you can really tell
yourself a story where he also doesn't get there in the field
is overplaying it. I was like Gabe this year little
bit of Gabe I think if you're a little bit of game, the thing
about Alan for me is they do get that second game at home and if
it gets to three Three games, he can get in the optimal and Allah
sure it was because there's not a lot of who quarterbacks this
year and the way that it splits out, there's not a lot of other
good bills options the way the puzzle pieces fit together.
Right. I think you're right Pete.
But if you're playing an Alan fade, almost exclusively, you're
like you're betting on the Bangles, beating them and week
to, right? I mean that's sort of where it's
coming from. So you, I think you got it's
almost like fade makes me want to play some mixed Okay.
That's, that's the exact point. I'm making of like, or if you
are in Allen fade doesn't even like you could still play.
Alan, you just play mixing too? Because like, you then play,
like, if we if the thesis is that Alan can get there, even in
a two-game scenario, but get upset like, that's that's kind
of more my point. We probably only get certain 22
game. If he does we did last year
which was 80 points in two games, and lit up the Patriots,
five touchdowns or whatever and then got in a shootout with the
with the Chiefs in that scenario, he's getting in a
shootout. The Bangles.
I'm, I guess. I'm not probably on mix it, but
I don't know, maybe I'm being too to micro I'm probably not
chasing that scenarios. What I'm saying?
If you're playing Alan too, Lose in week 2.
Yeah. Let's see here, what are?
You know the one, the one Galaxy brain one that I'm still on.
I'm on the Seahawks upset. Like I want to think about I'm
on that to play this. Well that's two.
Yeah. In the Kenneth Walker's, the
part I've been struggling with just like I feel like if they
upset them it's more going to be through locket or Metcalf.
Getting loose through big plays. I just have that seared in my
head, Jarrett Stidham, lighting them up a few weeks ago and
imagine DK. Back calf getting loose back
there and Walker you know getting rammed into the Line.
That's the so the Walker play is what I'm struggling with.
I think me too. Yeah, I mean I like my love
locked it, that a lot. Yeah, I mean, I don't know, I
think people overestimate strong run defense has, especially if
if Seattle's gonna win this game, I think, if we're playing
that we should definitely. I mean we don't have to play a
ton of Walker but he no one's clicking Walker and he's really
explosive back who's going to touch the ball 20 times, you
know if they win? Yeah.
Hurts stuff. Correlates pretty well with
that. because you get, An easier matchup for them round two.
Yeah, yeah. So if you play like you play
hurts, you play a sea hawk and then you play a non CMC Niner.
Yeah. Well, that's interesting too
because the Eagles aren't good against the run and I hadn't
really thought through that part of it.
It said like, what if what if the Seahawks if you really are
playing the Seahawks to win? Maybe it's not Walker against
the 49ers, but maybe they are able to run all over the Eagles.
Hmm. Yeah.
Yeah, and I know our guy Connor has been pounding the table for
Kenny Walker is his favorite leverage play of the contest.
So maybe it's like more CMC with locket and Metcalfe, but Walker
with the 49ers pass catcher because you're like, more
actively feeding the 49ers. What's been the deal with the
secondary Seahawks running back usage, or do we have anyone
eating in to pass work? These days, he kind of pulled
ahead deejay. Dallas is questionable We'll
call that Tony Jones deejay Dallas.
I think a nod like really obvious passing situations would
probably play over Walker but it's not only he's not getting
pulled off like all the time and doesn't sounds.
I just really like it wouldn't be a date when that game like
his touch on equities got to be pretty good and like he can he
could boss the long run versus anyone.
You know like he's gonna have a bunch of like to yard runs but
he could Bust A Long Walk you know one verse anybody Yeah,
he's that one. Just interesting to me because I
do if you think of a levels of how the field, it's like most
people we can pull up at stuff but most people want to like
fader saw fate and then they'll say okay, maybe the shoots out
but they still lose, I'll get the Metcalf for Seahawks bike
game and then the final level of that is like, Seahawks actually
shocked the world and Kenneth Walker has like 100-yard rushing
day. Like that's the last thing
people want to consider this batch of myself included like
it. I want to play it as an upset
and even I am like, I still rather play it as an Get through
Metcalf and lock it, but I think that probably ultimately makes
Walker really good play because it's going to come in, probably
some five. Yeah what's this pretty good?
Just real quick on not to go too much more than Alan stuff but I
did pull up the odds that we have from the only stuff on odds
to advance to the conference Championship bills, have a 53%
chance of making it to the conference Championship.
If you like, wanted Alan on 80% of those teams, that's 42
percent. I don't know.
That might feel so I don't know 80-85.
I don't know where you feel like you want Alan, but that's in the
range of efficient, I think. That seems high.
No. You were saying 42 is arranged
42? Yeah.
If there's a 53% chance they make it.
No, then then then you then how it work?
Okay. All those teams.
What percent do I want our land on them?
I just threw out. 80 as kind of a the this is obviously like,
super far from perfect but in The Sims stuff that I ran the
exposure by game for Alan is like 60% and five game scenarios
37 percent in three games, scenarios 23% into game
scenarios and then four percent in a one-game scenario.
Okay. I would probably shade that
higher my favorite term. This week has been riffraff.
If you cut out the riffraff like guys, who would like technically
get in there. Like, 1% of the time.
You just gave that to Alan it with would probably shade like
three to four points higher in the top three of those
situations. And I don't know, I mean I
wouldn't be overly precise with this but I think we're all
arriving at 40% is probably about 40% about good.
Yeah, I feel like we whatever we've not talked a lot, any
other thoughts on Seahawks stuff other than Walker?
Is there any love for Metcalf and lock it in which ways would
you use them? I'm watching the weather in that
game. I don't think it's going to be
an issue, but I have heard some Rumblings that there's a storm
earlier in the day that seems like it's gonna be gone by the
time, the games there. But you know, sometimes storms
delayed by a few hours or something that could change.
But mandapeta does that ruin, any?
Thoughts on kickers in this game you want to shying away from the
Meijer and Gold's. I lowered the kicker ownership
quite a bit just because I heard enough of the weather concern
that I figured And people will go to the DST instead.
Yeah, I wouldn't right now if the weather got worse you're
both Kevin Roth from our G and Chris Allen who's doing stuff
for with us at. ETR don't seem worried right now
but Metcalf seems like he's owned about right.
And then lock it seems like a good guy to be like a little bit
overweight on but nothing crazy. I think my like, Football.
Take if you will, that's another concentrated pass, you know,
receiving game those two receivers get everything right
as far as how we're talking about the Giants and Jegs
earlier talked about Andrews, Atari kill and those types of
guys as the teams that I was playing to lose, but you can
still find a high scoring in a loss play.
I think my caffeine locking might be among the, I think
they're better in that group than we have talked about this
week and they're actually pretty good place.
Yeah, I feel like the other two teams we haven't discussed in
detail tonight would be the Cowboys, and the Chargers, which
is kind of funny because they have the similar Dynamic where
there's really only two guys in play Eckler and then the the
lower owned Keenan and then with the Cowboys lamb and the lower
own Pollard. I mean I love the Pollard Keenan
side of both of those but you guys have any other thoughts on
Chargers and Cowboys I mean, I think you want to probably play
Eckler through the winds, you know, through your chargers
making a run scenarios but Keenan's, a great play to.
So I won't be pushing back on him that click he has been a I
think it's I think it's one of the key to the whole thing and
it's been a tough one. For me around my head on, I
think I liked the lamb chalk, like a donkey more and I love
Paul or two, but like we got dinkin and Leone on.
I have to admit That that Zeke do score touchdown sometimes I'm
not I wasn't pushing for any Z, I like Pollard but it's tough
for Pollard when he doesn't get the 1-yard TD.
He's got it on the big place. Tape rotated them though in that
spot. Like they haven't like, 100%.
It's kind of just been random just based on like who's resting
whose drive it is. Did you see the hardest we do in
the heart of said, they're the highlights of their their
respective touchdowns this year? Yeah.
Oh God. God.
It was really good. Yeah.
I'm a little worried about lamb
stuff that like I don't know, maybe it's just by us my head,
but it just seems like CD lamb can Lane.
I get any point in time. Yeah, that's a and Shelly says,
what's the thesis with Pollard? I mean, the thesis for me with
Pollard has he shown a ceiling and we know he can drop 30
points in a game with explosive plays.
And I think he's the kind of guy I feel comfortable with in the
way. The field feels comfortable with
lamb in a cowboy's winter loss. I almost feel the similar with
Pollard, you know, where I feel like he can get there in both of
those scripts, you know, with the check down passes in the
explosive plays, I would add on the thesis if If your I think
you can go to games and go three games.
If you're saying, the Cowboys are winning games, I think
they're weighing games because they're getting their best
players, the football like yes, Paul.
It has a lot of ways to do things lamb-lamb would probably
be doing well in those spots, but Pollard is probably
producing for them. If they're scoring points and
winning football games, sort of like how that works.
Yeah. Yeah, Paul is upset because I
did Market this as a drinking stream.
I've already had a couple mezcals and a Modelo here.
You guys pulling your weight, I was making a Margarita, but I
didn't put came running back to make a PowerPoint, which is that
I don't think the Bucks are very good against the run and then he
might be going and playing the Eagles and around to, who, as I
mentioned before someone, that you definitely like running
backs again. So Pollard could be the key to
the making run. Yeah.
I have to submit to many lineups to be drinking.
Yeah, you gotta keep it together for us later.
I think Leone is scarred from last year.
When after this show, we were like hammered and disorganized
and frantically building line is because we had lock earlier last
year to. I believe this year, I wasn't
more efficient going to the game, the Bills game too and it
was the first game and I think that like and then we I remember
I was like driving. I've literally, I was waiting to
leave. As long as possible and I
finally left and then the fucking Lenny news came out.
And then you guys able to really be Sean Vaughn, right?
Was it was all like, what would it was very close to being
really good but it didn't quite get there.
Yeah. I'm here in the chat for
everyone. Who's in the chat?
Tell me, please. Let me this be a, you know, a
fairly official unofficial poll. How many lineups are you guys
playing in the 200 dollar ffp? See, playoff contest, I want to
get like a pole. I'm curious.
How many of you guys are blasting off, on this peuta
should I shared hearted sweet? It's really funny.
This is the legs of all my God. Zeke all these ones.
You got followers. Like fourth shortest is a day.
N+ yarder because both score 10 touch 12 touchdowns.
Maybe I was wrong about this, we're short.
You had maybe I was just thinking about like a couple
specific place. I feel like more efficient.
I feel like the one in two or the same week that I fly planted
seek. Yeah, maybe that's why I feel
that pain. Very, very, very deeply.
There was a very ironic week where Zeke efficiently, got them
all the way down the field and Pollard doubt that The goal
line, short, goal, line touchdown.
Can you reply to Ian and say now do Jamaal Williams.
Oh my God. How many how many Victory laps
did Silva taking? The ETR slack.
I mean, did we ever find out how much you actually had on that?
Was that a Benjamin? Was it more?
What were we working with on this?
This bomb on Jamal Williams? I don't know.
All I know is thinking, I didn't bet it and we can't fucking win
anything. You're so broken, Leo.
Although it was not his slack that much.
I mean let's just randomly chirp at me.
The one day I was so annoyed because I was watching the show
and I think it was week, 18, I forgot what the play was and
he's like, this is the type of play that we only could never
wrap his head around and I have like flag climate.
If it was Eli Mitchell, we were like yeah we're actively telling
people to put you. All right.
So I we have you know, I see some for people in the chat
tonight. We got easy at 10, some zeros,
Some three, some twos, threes, Liam 20 to 25, 10 to 80 zeros
ones too, maybe we don't have to worry about too much leveling
guys here. Three zero five one zero zero
one, zero three. I pray we have 317 people
watching this and none of you are even playing.
This conference will be watching when I see Zero.
So like what do you do? That's why they're like I was
perfect. Ivan 30.
You're right? Yeah, that's a good good.
Why are you guys like they shaming?
Wow, Pat winds to Millie said, it's take shoving Thanksgiving.
I thought they weren't playing the contest at all now.
Yeah, here's the 35 Euro, good. Chi Hoon dollars for injuries
into this thing. Yeah, yeah, you're right.
Hopes gonna they came for the drunk people.
We gotta get drunker Pete, you're gonna have work on Market
basically. I had like an appropriately,
ratioed. Margarita.
And then there's a little more Mezcal in there.
So it's a, it's a big one. Yeah.
Pat. You know, I love margaritas and
make margaritas at home. I'd never made a Mezcal
Margarita at home. So I finally got myself some as
call and have been making Mezcal marks the past few nights.
They're excellent. Yeah dink.
How's it going in the NBA streets?
These days man. How you holding up?
Well tonight, I'm very well at all.
No, MBA streets are just a grind.
Just an absolute War of Attrition, on on everyone, who's
trying to participate. Yeah.
Like if you had an NFL Sunday, four days a week, What is like
miserable for like six months? Yeah, for six months, how do
they like in VA G PP streets? Compared to like the NFL gpp
Street? Like we're like is there the
leveling stuff that we had going on in NFL like the ownership
movements? Is it just a completely
different thing now it's completely different because
there's so much chaos with MBA so like you get news that
changes the whole dynamics of the Slate every night within 30
minutes of lock. So there's not like Time to
think and level there's just like there's time to react to
the news as best you can. And then I would say you know
the big kind of contrarian decisions people are making are
just like essentially like Shifting the build instead of
like playing like a stars and scrub getting a little bit more
balanced and stuff like that but generally people are just trying
to manage all the news and information that's coming in or
trying to set themselves up to be able to take advantage of
future news and information that's coming in.
But it's not like the benefit. The great thing about NFL is
like we Slate's it set up where I'm going to know all of the
information. I need to know before I make my
late swaps an MBA, the games are staggered.
So the game, the linking that you might be waiting on news for
that. You have like some decisions to
be made. You might be looking at your
team and you're like, well, free.
These guys are in the first quarter.
Like, I don't know how well they're doing.
They're going to end up doing on this late.
So, it's a, it's just, it's a, it's a, it's a very different
game. It's also much chakir than NFL,
which even Even by this year's NFL standards.
It's much shock here. Yeah, well we're happy to have
you in the football streets and it's good to know you're finding
time to you know, plow entries in The Gauntlet.
Unlike someone who had two million on Underdog and pulled
it off, how many Underdog in trees.
Do you have so far like you should be plowing the fact that
you haven't Max. This is just spoken like a true
investor. I'm trying.
I mean what like your steaks gaming me?
I find a lot to me. Someone's gotta do it.
Yeah, you should be a wild card Thunderdome.
This is the wild card. Is there a team?
I was just going to say that. Yeah.
Let's that'll that'll get out of your face.
Yeah, I'm gonna made a team so far so there's nothing out of
75. Mm, not bad.
That's more than we had at this point last year.
We're way more organized this year.
They're going to go. Yeah, but I don't know if you
saw, I got the pair percentage report for like, all the players
I had to delete some of the riffraff though, because it's as
you notice, when you start typing in teams, the reason why
there's such a lag, is because of that all the formulas, and
that she doesn't that tab dying. Yeah, I assume.
Yeah. I'm excited for where we're at
this year because yeah, we're more organized.
We're less like we're all. We're looser.
I feel like we're good. We're gonna we're here.
We're here. We're here.
I don't remember any of it at all.
Good. Was it fun?
I can only assume I was tight. Who assumed we were arguing?
Oh I do not like we're not arguing a lot, we're loose like
that. We I think we hit a sweet spot
at one point though, it was like me and Pat we're doing teams ban
was like watching our exposure. Remember that?
I remember terrified for you to say what I was doing.
Like one of you, I think was watching this scenario,
exposures the other one was like watching the individual player.
Isn't it? We did kind of get in sync
there. Yeah.
But I remember I was looking the other just recently at last year
and we have like an assignee line for who's making those
teams and Pete. You made a bunch.
It was, it was the only at me, only carrying the most weight,
Pat carrying the second most, what you made a bunch.
But there's a point later on Pete, where it was over zet /,
Gretsch on a few of them, like, we were here thinking teams,
again, I'm not sure why, but there were a few of those Yeah,
you guys were all making teams and I was just I was just
letting you know my managing the exposures like to.
Hi I'm Brady to of to yes I remember
and because I'm too poor to just toss this into the 200, this is
going in the 35. So let's build a Tom, Brady team
for the 31. Shit.
You hard right now. Leone seeing that right there.
I mean, that's pretty exciting. There's a lot about the, the NFC
bracket right there, right? So what's got alert, the ET, our
video team of that little clip. I don't work with that.
Frank, Duffy asking, did he miss any Dalton Schultz takes?
Well, we glossed over anyone. Not named Pollard or lamb.
Is anyone want have a show Steak too thin I've heard and I've
been heard Schultz mentioned once I've lowered him a few
times. I think I have around 10 or 11
percent just got an ID. I think I've lowered him.
I've lowered him. I think you can play me to Brady
team. I mean, you can play them in a
Cowboys lost, right? You could play them in a to
gamer. It's time to improve, dude, I
can't be a to gamer, though. Yeah, this camp but I just like,
I think Schulz is, is a small overweight position.
Oh, here's one at tight end. Would you play any Dawson knocks
hahahaha. Wow, he's been hot lately, too.
I don't think I'm, that doesn't like hot right now.
What is what is His Highest catch total on the year?
Like do you need two touchdowns for him together in this format
probably need two touchdowns or yeah?
The Titan premium doesn't really help us.
He's like one of those players would get premiums almost hurts
that him. Yeah.
He went 698 one against the Dolphins, he had a 7470 game but
yeah, most of his games are like three to four catches Kittles,
kind of the same way too. So if you play in the Bucks to
the Super Bowl who are you rooting for in round one to make
their path easier like I think you rooting for the both the
Giants and the Seahawks if you can get them both because I
think it's a home game. The Seahawks?
Yeah the Seahawks were upset. The Niners, not voting Eagle
really nice for Tots. I mean, this is a $35, so let's
get weird. I think we should just take
Berkeley right? If we're, if you want put Giants
to win, will you don't necessarily part because you
could, you could Envision Tampa beating Minnesota right?
Pretty easily. They don't get to play
Minnesota. They would at the co-op.
Seattle wins. Yeah, I don't.
Winning is a huge Advantage for Tampa, Dallas.
Let's play that both sides. Then let's play the Seattle win.
But then, we can play the Yeah. Both sides.
The Giants Minnesota, right? Yeah, play Berkeley.
UC Berkeley and Jeffers. Yeah, and Jefferson.
We can in this one. Yeah we do know that pair report
that like I think we're actively trying to not.
I mean this this is a unique team.
I'm it's not breaking it like on some of our chalk, your team's
we're trying to we're trying to have that pair together, less
than you would. The field is going to help me.
What if we played the Seattle, San Fran, both ways.
You, and then you're like, well, either upset is somewhat.
Now neither, it's not know. Because if San Fran wins, then
they would go to the Eagles, the Bucks would go to the Eagles, or
they would play San Fran. I think you can still play Debo
or kid'll. It in a loss for San Fran.
If you wanted, yeah, kid'll would be the pick for me.
Yeah, right. Thank you.
He lights up Seattle. Like, they play a lot and he
lights up Co Seattle, can't defend tight ends.
And they can't defend running backs in the passing game.
It's like the nut low mattress because I'm so, this has to be a
Kelsey digs team, right? So we need to, I think I go.
Gal is kicker. Yeah, we got a fade Dallas.
Yes, we don't have an NFC fade yet, so Dallas.
Kicker I like Maher? Yeah.
And then and then we just extract KFC right?
We're like yeah Hal Co case digs like just Jam all the jam, all
the guys, Jim all the jams. What are we missing?
Is that right? We don't have, you don't have a
grill. Yeah we don't have a filly age
are you know, he throws a shock. I think you can play the Eagles
is a one and done because there are scenarios where Brady,
right? Especially if we played both
sides of both the other AMC. I like playing both sides of
both the other NFC games because you don't really have to pick
Brady's path. Right.
Right.
You could fade, Philly.
You could fade Philly, though, because you're kind of hoping
that it's, I think it's a little cute given that we're trying to
give ourselves to Seattle out as well.
Let's just play Philly, straight up.
I was just to say, but that gives you Seattle Minnesota and
New York, like, all those teams. So what about Devon to Smith?
Because you know you can't get three games out of Philly, it's
okay. Okay.
I'm into the one game. Some cases, it's two games.
You're not going to like this comment then but like, aren't
the odds of Devon to Smith or AJ Brown being the optimal and
three Philly games like pretty close to the same.
No like what one of them is the Super Bowl but it's has been
writing all year that when the Eagles want to win, they throw
the ball. The AJ Brown II, just I read the
to millionaire I don't listen to you whatever you want to know.
I just look at the box score and it divides.
This myth is all it out. Ravens defense.
Hmm, Earl's gonna throw a lot, like, at least, like, get some
or I guess you could, then you're down Jags.
Are sooo Jagger Chargers? Yeah, for defense.
He did Jags recharger. Skilled player.
Right? Like, you can't leave that.
Yeah. We're just playing, we can just
full fade Miami and Baltimore and be like, yeah, nafc, the way
that everyone wants to play it. So who do you think is the best
Jaguar? Keenan Jackson can?
Yeah. Like I kind of like the
Baltimore defense over the Jags defense.
We could also go. Okay.
Well maybe Dallas defense is bad.
Against Freddy and run Baltimore, D. / Jegs D is a
good. Yeah.
Well I don't mind that. Yeah I'm into that.
Then. Yeah.
That's good. All right.
For the audio listeners who are listening to this next week.
When Pat posts it we have Tom Brady Berkeley get if Walker
just the Jefferson Jabbar. Chase, AJ Brown Keenan, Allen
Stefon, Diggs, Kelsey little brat, Mar Baltimore.
So shocking it up around a couple interesting upset
scenarios in the NFC pretty fun lineup.
I like this one actually. This actually sold me to build a
200 dollar. Brady.
That is a great lineup, that was fun.
Let's put that on early. No one played it snowing putting
were these people. How many crazy lineups can I get
up to and then we sneak Jags D in the
main? Oh, there it is.
UV to the flip at the end of this team is good.
It's actually really fun Ting. Ya, no one else agree with that.
That big though. Yeah, I hope the chat hates this
front. What was it be?
We settle on Jack's TST. We did Baltimore fall.
The chat is threatening to do this, which I don't like acts
fade and Miami Faith. All right.
Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna switch up something we're going
to. Oh yeah, that's gonna be so two.
V, two, Leone is like trying to play Mind Games.
He doesn't want this one to be do because he just fell in love
with the Brady lineup. I well, let's build one more.
This is putting on full of but also what Ryan's coming is very
funny. This is considered a crazy lot
of this contest and is the greatest player of all time and
like ten of the third-best day. Yeah, that's exactly right.
Yeah, but it now, here we go now, we're back.
Yeah, exactly. Brady sacks.
Don't play that light up. Quote earlier to he's on a roll
tonight. All right, so now we make our
last year count earlier, I think you did.
Was that Rancho chat Chats on a roll tonight?
I heard, I heard it. I mean we have to start all
these lineups off with a dusty ass.
Just yes. They what clip I have about
this, the chat. You got you guys desperately.
Want the show to be broken up. You want the the texture of the
show to get kicked up a notch? What clip do you guys?
Want. I will literally I'll read you
off the cliffs. I have hasta Lavista wide
receiver. Avalanche sauce, kicker chasing
Sky, more hype real Row, Joe Cantrell's Dobbs highlight reel.
Dolch highlight reel. David Belle highlight reel but
not that one Lavista highlight, reel taekwon, Thornton highlight
reel. Didn't even remember we had that
I felt Jake Taylor hype, real be careful what you wish for
Flacco. Why do I have that listed as
Flacco? That's a Justin Tucker.
We have a Zeke clip and then we have been doing Chicago Bears
owner. McCaskey impression good too
though. I vote that.
That's my vote. How on Earth is it not Thornton
like after the guy helps train when two million?
I don't know what. Yeah, because I'm loyal to
Gretsch over any NFL player that that wasn't like, not that good.
Ha ha ha bad. There is no consensus in the
chat. I we I think we played the
Thornton one like one time at all.
Oh no I think Alex made that I think Alex made that I want to
hang him out to dry. It wasn't our best clip.
I don't hear much. Was he right?
I like that I can find but that yeah it's good.
That was good chips here. Still coping with you.
Any the two billion. Yeah, says starting with magic
sorry Tipsy. Like guess you never heard that
week? 17 is all that matters.
See this is like I can't tell if this is a compliment.
A man who made a spoof YouTube name of my name wants all the
clips. Does that mean you're just sick
of us talking and would Preferably Montage Clips being
played or the clips that good. Yeah well let's see here.
Um yes Leone you know Leone is been responsible for many of the
iconic moments on the show. Some of them that we'd like to
forget, like him telling us, we jump the shark fading at a grand
gesture and of anything under selling it.
All right, I don't know who Taking credit for the Leonard.
Fournette, pick. Who wants to pick a player,
next? I'll take care of it.
I think I've no, I get credit for letter from, okay.
I was trying to give you a picture.
Geez, absolutely. Not my pick is Leonard
fournette. All right.
I'm going next. Josh Alan.
Okay, Austin. If I want to catch up and read
the rules on the stream, Josh Allen.
Okay, so mr. I want to fade Josh Alan I was
just jamming him in. I was so confused by that.
I didn't realize he was talk about Stacks.
That was like, Brady, Nathan, what are you talking about?
I thought he liked met, literally naked.
Eye says that through me. You guys, I thought
Austin, you can only take one player per team Leone's to die
is. Not think this should be a
Giants win lineup because then the Bucks are probably dumping
down again against San Francisco for that Leonard fournette.
Dumped off Magic. Let's go.
I want to get I want Giants wide receiver in here.
Okay. Wait you just said he's putting
Giants win. Well yeah, Richie balls out and
All Seasons. Oh, James over Hodgins, aren't
you worried? Wait, is there some fucking
cornerback magic? If I don't know about the
Vikings don't have a quarterback match up to what about to kill.
So this is one where we can get a Josh Allen.
See you? MC Kelsey because we have for
net and Richie Jing's in the lineup of this is where man, I
wanted to do the Greg Joseph thing in a fade Minnesota.
I'm a little scared with Richie there though.
I'm gonna go Hawkinson. Don't I done.
Mmm. It's about time.
We start to get it. It feels, I don't know.
I feel like we haven't naturally been building.
A lot of multi tied in lineups. There's gonna be lots of that
seal. Yeah.
Yeah, I'll go. I'll go Keenan again.
Kenan, I like back to the well, Human is like, it's a good play.
It does not surprise me that Drew's Jersey and I'm sorry Pat,
I tried to get you to say this earlier this week.
I do want you to say it on record actually let me make you
big screen say that Austin hecklers, the best fade in this
entire tournament. I think Justin Jefferson might
be the dude, check it out. Get me a video message and we're
friends now. So I can't say anything bad.
All right, who's it to Gretsch the back to you?
I think I just want before Leone and dingo gets back to you guys
at the top then me Okay, um we haven't gotten a Mark Andrews.
We haven't done a mandrews yet. Let's let's go fucking triple
tight end. I'm into that.
What games don't we have we don't have we don't have
Seattle. Yeah, actually don't have that.
We have only see here, gonna sex, but we do have a lessee.
Okay. Yeah.
Teja gunshot. Yeah Jacksonville we don't have
- no. We do of Minnesota.
We don't have jax. Is there any game Dallas?
No, we have all the games covered over there.
We don't have still don't have till accent Bill Dallas.
Miami. Oh my, oh me.
All right. Well, it's okay.
Joe Brown, that's easy on brand, very on brand.
Place kicker, maybe a little Little Riley Patterson or mayor?
Paterson Amir yam are probably I think mayor.
I think it's not her. I'm reading it.
Mayor sounds like a mayor that a boy's town in my head.
What would you say? Dallas, they're cowboys doubt.
They are Beeson whatever. Let's see here, Seattle, D is
like a low-key, like they're playing a rookie QB like San
Fran can still win but he could throw a pick six, right?
I'm with it on the Galaxy brain. Although do we want Seattle D
again CMC? Yo, did I miss the mayor of East
Town joke? Yeah, it didn't go over that.
Well, sorry, I will laugh. I can appreciate that.
That's what you're going for. I didn't realize it until Mike
came back and asked about it. I didn't even see the show.
I just get tried to get some jokes off the accents were a
little as someone who grew up, like right around there, the
eggs. Scents.
Aren't that thick? It's not Mississippi.
I mean my God PST. Yes, Austin.
Figured it out. I think.
What's it? What's the teammates were great.
I think this has to be Jags day. What are the odds?
Jag's, Miami and Seattle, Seattle against?
Yeah, really bad. Is it really that bad?
That we can't even? It's not that it's a bad play.
I just don't love it, it's with siaka Stevens.
Yeah but he's pointing multiple games.
You really think other people is purely about turnovers and
touchdowns and sacks and stuff sacks, but you get a couple
pics. All right, well maybe I don't
want to play with. I think they will not be super
chalky. I would imagine they're either a
fade or people are on Metcalf. That would be my guess.
You're going to be one of the last choices among that they
teams to play at defense. Yeah.
Okay. I think the razorblade them but
I think I had their fate about Riley overall fade about right
but probably too much to the D. Ya know she had definitely to
Ben's Point like really almost ran through.
Let the The soft fade stuff. Like last year, I think we pay
way too much New England, EST. Yeah.
Because it's like Chuck the field jammed New England, EST.
It, you know what I'm feeling right now, man?
I can't tell if we're like in the next level where it feels
like if it's actually contrary or not, but like Jags, do you
feel so comfy whenever we click it?
I can't tell. Like, if that's going to be
popular. I think you might be.
I think Davis was was saying they'd be a good player as well.
Why am I husband tea? Sorry but like wasn't the
optimal last year pit DST getting steamrolled by Kansas
City. Wrong one like, was it?
Yeah, they scored a defensive touchdown early.
So you're basically just saying like you're filling out the rest
and then just randomizing the, the soft and hard.
Yeah, I think we should be flat and whatever the field does.
It feel does? Yeah.
And I would say on the ownership rejection stuff like I think I'm
going to be pretty close on the total Fades but I could be way
off on. The verse paid version kicker.
Yes. Oh yeah, it's so hard to
predict. I'm sure this is, this is true.
I'm part of this cohort. People hate Staley right now,
like, I mean, ever read the newsletter.
You did not seem happy. I had fun.
All right, let's see here. How about since we have dink
here? He's been in these streets with
me. What do we do?
One Gauntlet Draft? Before we get out of here.
Oh yeah, oh baby, let's do one now.
What are the rules on this ever? Play on my account balance?
Sorry it's, that's embarrassing. I pulled off the two million.
There's not even a comma there, which we do know comic.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, should we do a mitten instead?
Did he get Davis back State yesterday?
Yeah, I will I and I see all of our friends join this Gore
mangy. Harv's chipsy, shit the
achiever. So nice little badge room here
which means you get really not a single non badge now, because
everyone isn't that in the show. That's good, right?
It'll be honest. It's probably good.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
It's not really go up 10% today. All right.
It did. Yeah I'm just he's Diamond
hands. Need to sell for more must it
must have been an unusual influx of capital into the crypto
markets. I was telling someone in the
chat like Liam was like a what if Pat you know rolls his money
over into some shit coin and becomes a billionaire and I was
reminding them of that shit coin for like the energy that was
going to put like green energy on the blockchain is that you
convinced me to buy in 2017. Yeah, that it didn't.
It did not the road building these Mahomes.
Teens why? Kelsey will come back to us.
I think, I know. But then you're starting, oh,
it's 20's refers to Banks. It's just hard to advance.
Come on, we'll figure it out though.
Guys in this room we can do it. Yeah.
Let us let us know what's going on in the Overflow.
Wow. Someone already ruined a stack.
Like me. No, it's that's that's pretty
chalky. Yeah.
Okay. All right.
You mean yeah. We're doing it.
We got. Dig in Diggs gets back to the
Josh Allen owner that is that's the gold mine.
Now usually go usually goes, yeah, usually goes to the CMC
owner. If it's stopgaps ours is sniper.
I've seen Harv's in all my drafts today.
Haven't bumped into dink which is surprising Hobbs is I have
not have had a long and be a day.
There's things today. Yeah.
So dink. What have you been doing?
How Max, how many by teams and gauntlet?
Max, how many what bought by teams?
50 B seems so generally, I'm like, I'm a man, I'm trying to
Max Max for But yeah that's right he's tricky but players on
by weeks so it's very good for us.
I think we just take McKinnon here.
Yeah I'm into that, okay? Sometimes I think that was kind
of cool. Sometimes sometimes sometimes in
that spot I take Eckler just to like try to bag points.
Yeah, actually try to advance. In McKinnon, will often slip,
because no one else wants to take them if you have a homes.
Yeah, his birthday. Dear, could we go Berkeley?
So, I would borrow, I would, I would go, I would go, I, you
cure you need, I you guess what? I would always click here.
Wide receiver gets disastrous, and we have zero.
Okay points. Yes, we're at zero right now,
because running back late, you can get like for not or like
Richard, white or whatever, but wide receiver late is like the
Lenore Or Osborne or those guys, it's just, it's a bigger Gap and
you need to use one running back, score, two wide receivers
and then a flex, see me, you know, five scores total
including a quarterback. Yeah, and that's why.
Anyway I have ten roster spot so if you do Max for on a by you
have six players to get five scores and and you have to you
have to advance. I still I do really like the
Berkeley stuff because what you can basically do Is really
cheaply mirror the Buys. So you take Daniel Jones
Berkeley for McKinnon and then your favorite Giants wide
receiver and then you can back stack that and basically cover
those three by weeks and then say, let Mahomes Take the Wheel
week to what? Why, why are you go over like
God winner Evans? I don't understand.
I think we do Barclay here well, because you can, yeah, I would
get Berkeley here because you can still get Godwin or Evans on
the next round. And potentially.
Yeah, but we style. So I guess we we can get the
Giants wide receiver at the very, very end so.
So what like the where my mind goes like if we stopped at three
Chiefs? Like, you know, we're probably
looking at like a, if we play the Chiefs for the AFC and we do
like a like a 3/32 to, you know, where we have three, Giants to
49ers and then to of another team.
Leone was saying probably box and then you're setting up
Mahomes for three different like NFC potential.
Super Bowls. Yeah, I don't know if we'll get
to San Fran, but you lie lie, Mitchell is the Hope, but he's
been going earlier and earlier that seems like a really tough
play. When you're already seating the
30's, there's not a lot of there's not a good.
Look at the three zeros, also come early.
So in terms of like, oh, I know, I just, I guess I was So, I just
feel like I would have punted. San Fran and taken Gabe or just
started Tampa Bay earlier. Well, Gabe is useless.
I mean, you know what I mean? Like, unless, you think Gabe is
way better than I you for Week 1, but I think he's pretty
better for Week 1 and week 2. So I say we snipe the sniper
because I take Evans because even if he takes one of four
natterer I wish I absolutely agree.
Absolutely. Yeah 100%.
Yeah. Because he can't box set a both.
He can try but he will fail. Yeah, okay.
Wow. That's early for four days.
I've got plenty. My bugs.
That's ballsy. Ian, we don't talk about Pat.
Nice head-to-head on DraftKings. Last week, I figured out how to
send it. It's a form of machine.
Did you spend building your lineup?
Took me about 45 minutes. I've honestly relieved that you
said 45, I'm gonna take Eli Mitchell here probably.
That works for me. I begin with the alignment or Z
either one I kind of like, you guess what?
You like, because we don't have, no, no.
We don't want to take Zeke against Evans, right?
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah. You're right.
I feel like we, we, we want to stray here, but it's deaf why we
don't, I don't, I don't, I don't like having to, but why?
We have a full supervise so many guys that outscore Eli week one
that we could have set it up differently and not been like
backed into taking Eli there. Yeah, you want to see?
Who cares about the EP Godly own eternity kitchen, before our
eyes? Well, in this content, I mean,
I'm seeing a Picasso here, not a kitchen.
I'm seeing them. So, beautiful, so we need to
take our January Joe now. I believe.
Right dink. Probably.
We're Rashad probably. Yep, and Leslie to yeah, yeah, I
we we probably don't want to fight with it.
Yeah. Rooms if Harvey wants to go
Kamikaze and take both white and red and Lenny like God bless his
soul. Yeah.
Someone's got it. Donate to the shareholders
around here. Don't tempt him with a good
time. I think, I guess what I was
thinking was more like instead of a like a 223 like a 331 to go
with the three. Yeah, I've seen, I just rather
have three different options that I can have get through the
NFC to the Chiefs, in the finance.
I like the 33 words more correlated and then because you
have the option ality on the one, you can also boost your
round 1 points more You're saying just go with a to running
back line up and just use bro. I'm so like instead of setting
up for three different NFC teams, like if we would have
leaned into two and not been forced into Mitchell, we could
have had one spot to play with. That would have just been a guy
who scores a lot round one. But can he do?
We have something we want to go for running backs on this
Builder? Do we want to go to Giants?
I would recite. So, I would go, I would
personally go Richard white and Dragons wide receivers about
personally do. I think at this point I would do
that as well for a, for build running back team.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
I've got. That makes sense.
Missiles for later, right? I mean, he's for the superb.
Yeah. Yeah the problem is it's just
you can only start to running backs each week.
So and we're going to be very, very thin.
I think I would have preferred to grab two Giants wide
receivers in this build, but I don't do a lot of for running
back, builds surprise. Yeah, that's where it's like I
you can Mitchell versus Godwin and wide receiver that's dead
for the Super Bowl but better for round one.
Yeah. The Jets do or you don't take
McKinnon which I think I'm like taking I like that stack.
I think that's a good superb. I mean to get all I think.
Once you take McKinnon I think your It's just, it's a struggle
at running back rank them. Ranked, I like Slayton the most.
I like all the late. Wow, and I'm James.
So, we have three votes, I gotta take the best wide, receiver on
the Giants. Good sleep.
Oh, baby. So we have two slayton's.
All right, but did you, did you say Hodgins?
I did quietly. I said, I'm Hodgins.
Have Peter was with me? Yeah.
I thought process on that is I think, I think Hodgins and James
probably outskirts Layton more times than not, but when Slayton
hits, it's real big and you need real big from that's good, that,
that specific line up spot. Dude.
Someone hasn't been watching Isaiah hajis film.
He does look pretty good. He's I mean, it's 210 pounds and
a scored four out of five weeks. Way correlates with TD's.
Slayton is 190 has not scored four out of five weeks in.
The scored zero of the last five weeks just saying just yeah,
he's still he's beautiful structurally.
We messed that one up. I think we should have one.
We need one more wire Super there with Kelsey you want.
Like one thing that I would do, one more, I think we can you
afford it? This is the thing that's over
here. Drinking margaritas money in the
bank. Probably earning eight percent
interest of some fucking bullshit.
I know, it's like not having fun drain my account for his
entertainment. I mean, this have a yeah, I
learned what a money market. Mutual fund was yesterday.
Alright, one more to get it, right?
And then we need to go build some teams.
Leone. Are you grunting?
Because you want this streamed in?
Yes. What if we're because we're
because what if we one more time, braided line up?
What if we let you? Because if you are, I'm in sure.
I'll take the trade. Give me more money.
This is the oh my God. Yeah.
I like Out what you win when you win.
It's a little free like to use around here.
It's a little first. Okay, of up with that it's I
can't remember. Hope hope subsidizing this entry
for us. Thank you.
Hope. That was nice of you.
You see this? Yeah.
What do you bet is doing that? Is what my that is.
What my girlfriend and my fiance got me for for Christmas.
Wouldn't we action figure of me? Oh wow.
That came with this, is that a pickle ball?
Or a computer. That's a tennis racket.
Let's do this. It's like you.
If you warm wet mascara eye, The eye makeup is strong, it's a
little bit more than I usually wear.
Got to look good when you're playing tennis.
Are we afraid of now? The government is going to be
fine. Should we make Leone you to
decide because you didn't want to do this draft in the first
place? Des marches.
Alpha play. Alpha play.
We just did a short clip of just lie on it.
Going Jim RJ's. What the hell were you thinking,
bro, there? Because at least if you miss
you, miss chase, you still have your mom's.
I know I guess I just thought I'm just having this dream.
He wouldn't go there. Oh, hey yeah, Leone welcome.
Welcome to the drafts. Welcome to my filter healthy.
Andrew, you actually do you want hurts Leone?
Yeah, let's go hurts. Because we can still do kind of
what we did with the AF. See if you can get yeah, maybe
Higgins. Mix in her some yeah well you
probably can't get mixed things. You're going to need to drop.
You can't get Higgins. At least been drafted.
Yeah, our Chase mix and I met not Higgins mixing but we're
probably not going to get mixing mixing and mixing falls back to
this spot decent bit. I was just being that guy at the
the turns probably well Gourmand ahead, and we're ahead of him
Gourmand. She was wild and out.
You don't don't you don't take Higgins there.
He's he got a little aggressive. Yeah, I know he does it.
He was like I'm going bro. Chase intimating.
I have done some of these drafts and not 110 of them but well,
you have MBA going on and stuff and so you're pretty good.
Ha ha ha. All right, what are these
fuckers doing here? Alan Debo kid.
Okay, see that? A lot Mahomes country Lambs AJ
Brown still up and taken just please.
Build teams. Yeah yeah I think we should.
I think Christian this draft is totally kiss sucks.
I think God it's like got her. We got to take.
Got her here. No, have to take got her here.
You want debut love game. All right, take game.
If we love game. Yeah, to get blame each other
around to. This is make any sense and we
could take a Bills running back, right?
This is a pun. This is a punt hope paid for it,
and we're punting. Yeah, thanks.
Hope we got to spend this time with dead as fuck.
There's there's a path here. No, there is no path.
Yes, it is. We do know that had this Maddie
that in the thing is like you would think Maddie's a troll
like Gourmand. She's like a very normal dude
who doesn't need to be going into the full troll mode right
now? Just with kicks grow up, Matt,
we're gonna make lemonade But seriously should we should we
just Auto dresser scope is now asking for a refund so you can
get a little better. This draft hope once YouTube
takes its fucking six dollars from that.
I'll send you 19 bag. You'll just call it even The
challenge is we have to use a roster spot on the quarterback
because by we quarterback, so I never win round one.
Get your money back. Well, get whose money.
Is it that dire in the fifth round?
Well yeah, Angie look at look at the turn stuff.
That happened here Ben. Hmm.
AJ Brown goes one pic before as then these gotta drink daughter
and got her IQ. But I told you guys,