The NFL schedule is here and so is afternoon ship chasing.
I have yet to do a post NFL schedule release draft, so I am
very excited for this. We got Ben, Gretch, Pat Crane
and myself ready to talk through some of the implications of the
schedule, maybe some early matchups.
We like some steam candidates for week 17 correlation.
Breaking news, I hear Sam Laporta is now a fixture of the
two, three turn along with CMC. It is a great day to correlate.
We will end up draft watching a basketball mania team as well.
This is ship chasing. Let's do it.
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All right, what a great time to be alive.
Gretch is driving across the border, registering for slows.
Terrain is putting together mnemonic devices.
I mean, this is, we're just fully back in the swing of
things, guys. That's right, I'm definitely not
out getting haircuts, tell you that.
You're also definitely not out plugging in your mic.
Yeah. Wait, my mic's not working.
You're on your computer. Audio or something.
OK, gretch. How did you have any?
Other that just made me think of your Swallcast thing.
God, you're so fucking quick, Pete.
That was I. That was a good.
Is it can you, am I in the right, right now?
OK, yes. You're good.
Gretch. Walk us through.
What did you say to your family? I'm.
I'm getting up at 4:00 AM to drive to the border.
How did that conversation go? I mean it's I I get up that
early sometimes. We've talked about on the show
before, It's been weird the last few weeks with my allergies
where I've been like getting up and then going back to sleep.
But the thing about me is I'm a morning person, so when I wake
up I I can't go back to sleep. It's like, well, I'm, I'm
fucked. I'm awake like, and we have our
cat. Sometimes our cat will wake me
up at like 2 and it's like I get pissed at the cat, 'cause I'm
like, I'm oh great, now I'm up all day.
But lately, because of my allergies, I've been going back
to sleep and sleeping until 6-7, stuff like that.
But I got, I'm trying some new allergy meds.
And so anyway, I let I let them like literally this week.
And so I let them know the night before.
I usually take my oldest to middle school, but asked my wife
if it was cool if she, you know, took the older one to school
and, you know, got the OK from the older one and all that stuff
and that she didn't need to be at Jazz and you know, early and
it's like, all right, well, I might be leaving in the morning.
We'll see what happens. And then I woke up at, like
2:45, So I was like, fuck it, I left at 3:10.
I was in Oregon by 5:40, so I was like it was great.
I just bombed like no traffic through because Seattle's
notoriously like, it's very north-south and I live on the
north side of it. And there's the main freeways.
There's high five and four O 5 and you can't go any other
direction. You can't let go around.
It's not like LA you can go other ways.
So I I like if I'm going to do it, I I want to leave before
like morning rush hour. I got to get through the city
that early. But yeah, it was sweet.
I was trying to think of something like sometimes, you
know, when you cross the border from California to Nevada,
there's like an agricultural border control where they make
sure like, are you bringing any plants from, you know, one state
line to the other? I'm just imagining Gretch
getting grilled at the border. Like what are you bringing back?
45 Best Ball Mania? I like the idea of him being on
the clock in those drafts and these it's ticking down and the
border agents like, and one more thing.
Service, yeah. The cool thing is a lot of
states, obviously you just drive across the border and you're
like, all right, we went from one state to the to another,
like there's a sign, but Washington, Oregon have the
Columbia River. It's a it's a big ass river and
to get across that border you go across a big bridge no matter
where you go across. So it is like kind of a moment
like I drive across the bridge and then I just like pull over
at the first deli right there on the other side of the bridge.
Like there's this little like deli Mart.
And I just sat there and entered all these slows and then got
back on the bridge and started heading back.
Beautiful, beautiful. I will pull up the the schedule
here via Pat's. Let's see where am I.
Here we got some of the the devices.
Here I'll go to the side. I helped and people, you know,
people are like, hey, Derrick Henry didn't do well against the
Texans last year and I'm like, but you remember that he plays
the Ravens, that the Texans play the Ravens, don't you?
Don't you? Well, it's funny that people are
saying that, Pat, which it like kind of goes to the entire thing
about this correlation where it's like, first of all these
are pneumatic devices to help you remember not editorializing
on. Whether the match ups 2nd of.
All the whole thing about correlation is we don't fucking
know in correlation happens in tandem, IE The Jets Browns game
last year that no one wanted any part of and then it blew up.
So I mean I saw a question in the chat here from from Tanner.
He said he was in a debate with his buddy about game stacking
and the benefits of it. So I know a lot of people around
here are already Week 17 pilled, but I do think maybe for the
people who aren't quite as initiated, we could just talk a
little bit about why this is important.
Maybe, Pat, why don't we start with you since you famously won
a couple $1,000,000 game stacking.
Why? Why is Why is it important?
Well, it's OK. Here's here's why it's not
important. Avoiding, you know, the Dolphins
because they play the Browns defense, that's why it's not
important. Brown.
We don't know if the Browns defense is any good.
I saw someone. Now this is obviously going to
trigger me because I'm drafting a a ton of Jalen Warren, but
they're like oh man, he gets the Ravens defense and then the
Chiefs defense. That's that's apocalyptic.
And I'm like, no, it's really not One, because first of all,
he catches passes. So he's like fairly insulated
from gamescript. But two, we don't know what that
gamescript is really going to be.
It's possible that the Chiefs defense takes a major step back.
It's possible the Ravens defense takes a major step back.
It's possible those defense are are awesome and then they get
hit with a rash of injuries and they're actually defenses we're
targeting. We could be targeting these
defenses. I mean they have strong offenses
attached to the other side. It's pretty easy to imagine how
with couple badly timed injuries you know these are shootout
environments and we're actually like Oh my God, the only teams
that are going to be able to push Pittsburgh to play volume
are the Ravens and the Chiefs. Thank God they play the Ravens
and the Chiefs. So that's where this can flip on
us. It is not.
We are not trying to sit here in May and pick out which are the
best games. In fact, the whole reason that
we're doing this is so that we don't have to do that type of
stuff and we can actually benefit from if one of these
sides of the game is good, it's potentially going to juice the
other side of the game. And so we are basically trying
to bink. One way to think about is you're
trying to, if we're making DFS lines, we're trying to bink
higher salaries, higher projections heading into the
game than we would normally expect for these players because
of game environment factors. A high Vegas total, right?
We're going to be looking at potential shootout environment
and we're basically thinking that as something that, you
know, whether or not it occurs, whether or not the game actually
shoots out. But we're trying to basically
pick players who now have improved odds of scoring a bunch
of points because they're in a game environment that we want to
target that day. That morning we're like, oh, you
know what game looks really sick.
This game we're gonna feel that way on like December 28th or
whatever. We we shouldn't try to feel that
way now. It's just that we can put these
players together. Then we open up our presents
after Christmas and, oh, a 52 point total, That's pretty sick.
And I've got five players in it. Yeah.
And I mean some of that was like 102 or like 201 level I think.
But like, just to Tanner's question about like the 101,
like a big part of it is just when there's points on one side,
there's points on the other side.
Like you were talking about for the Steelers.
Like if the Ravens and Chiefs score, the Steelers have to then
play faster and try to score. If you're down by two
touchdowns, your pass rate is a lot like the there's a expected
pass rate models. Teams that trail are expected to
throw at a lot higher rate. If your team's throwing more,
you have the potential for more incomplete passes.
You high pass rates lead to more play volume.
As a result, lower pass rates, more running keeps the clock
running and leads to lower play volume.
When both sides are running the ball a lot, you end up with a
lot lower scoring game. So there's core, like Tanner's
question was just, I think about game stacking generally.
And there's there is correlation between both offenses within
games. And we see games shoot out like
we talked about, like it's because that's how football
works. Like how you can that the play
volume will be correlated when one team starts or efficiency or
like just scoring. Like, if one team scores
quickly, the other team's going to end up running more plays as
they trail. Yeah.
And a lot of times we see that in the second halves.
We see it really shoot out in the fourth quarters.
Like when when I'm writing signals during the year, like
sometimes you'll get these fourth quarters where there's 21
points on both sides and it's the whole game.
I mean, the other 3/4 were not even as important as the fourth
quarter. Like the other three combined
were not as important as the fourth quarter.
And those games rule. They fucking rule for fantasy
football. Like that's what the game you
want a piece of every, every time that.
Happens. I think like a really simplistic
example to like understand it is because the the game people are
gonna react to the most Is this Dolphins at Browns 'cause it's
the perfect storm of Browns always have these gross cold
weather games at home and tua socks both on the road and in
the cold. Like, that is the most
prevailing narrative. Are you not gonna take Tyree
Kill in the first five or six picks of your draft because of
this week 17 match up? If.
You're smart. You're not gonna.
Say that much he's he's he's in 103 all summer.
So let me just but put a bow on this because it's like, OK if
you draft, Tyree kill or say even falls to you at 15 or
whatever, you want him to go off Week 17, you want this game to
go off. He will.
Well, there you go. We are drafting as if we're
right. So now you are building in that
world where Tyreek Hill puts up the 50 burger that Jamar Chase
did a couple years ago in Week 17.
What else happens if that happens?
So it's like this idea is your early picks are going to dictate
this correlation. It's not saying like, sure, if
you don't have any Bengals or sorry, Dolphins or Browns
through 7 or 8 rounds and you just kind of want to sidestep
that, like sure. But if you've drafted some of
these guys, you have to draft as if that game goes off.
And we we we know week 17 matters and and in no way am I
going to suggest it doesn't matter.
But that's a this is a great team and a great example to
suggest that week 17 like probably gets too much weight
because the Dolphins are the exact type of team that I would
want a team stack because of how concentrated they are.
Tyree kills like targets. Prat run.
Waited targets prat run. All that stuff wasn't just best
in the league. It was way better than anyone
else's. It was like every time he's on
the field, the way that Mike McDaniel can get him the ball is
insane. And then Jalen Waddle also top
10. Even though Tyreek Hill as a
number one was that dominant, the number 2 on his own team was
better than most number ones. Like it's such a concentrated
offense. 8 Chan I took. No, obj is there.
Don't forget. I I think it's crazy that Lamb
goes ahead of Tyreek Hill. I took Tyreek Hill.
I had him and some and and I'm doing some eliminators with some
of my slows and I'm taking tire kill and those because of this
ridiculously consistent volume. I I think if tire kill, I've
said this earlier in the offseason if he didn't get hurt
late in the year I don't think he would be going behind Lamb.
But that's I I'm still taking some lamb too.
That's what the way that the market has it and I think Pat
makes a good point that now that they're playing at the Browns
Week 17, if it may stick. But I on one of the teams where
I took Hill, I took ATM in the second.
I'm hoping to get waddle in the third like the last year.
I was making a point about not doing that with the Eagles, not
taking 3 Eagles in the first three rounds.
The Dolphins, the exact type of team that I'm comfortable
putting all of my high capital into this team because they
showed us last year that all of the volume can be concentrated
on like 3 guys in an individual game and over a stretch of of
time, even like over a month or a couple of months, maybe not
for a full season but close to a full season.
It's the most concentrated offense we've seen and still
good, still efficient. All of those things.
I mean this and and then you have Deshaun Watson on the other
side. If he does play well this year
like you tell me that like he used to get in tons of
shootouts. You tell me just because of
weather and outdoor like the the Dolphins and the Browns can't
get into a. Shootout.
We also know that weather tends to be overrated, and that's when
we know there's bad weather that day.
This is, This Is Us talking about potential for bad weather
6 months from now. It's a little it's it's a little
silly to get overly worked up about the weather.
And this is, I think it's a perfect example of just like
what we're not trying to do. You know, if you want to
prioritize Dome games a little bit, 'cause you know that there
won't be weather, OK. But like prioritizing Dome games
essentially means like boosting every single player on both
sides of that game slightly, which is a tricky thing to
decide if you want to do. I mean, I don't.
If you have, if you've got two potential game stacks and you
want to kind of prioritize the Dome one, I I have seen no
issues with that. But these are very minor subtle
things you would be doing. You're not going out of your way
to to draft players in domes. I think that's a little
ridiculous because we ultimate, by far the biggest thing is
like, you know, drafting good, well structured teams with good
players, That's how we win. And then this is kind of like
little the little frills that we're doing.
In the end, the frills are important.
But you know, I think the thing to understand again is like we
don't know which games are going to be good.
It's and some of these games can be like, OK, the Seahawks,
Bears, What are the Seahawks going to be like this year?
What are the Bears going to be like this year?
How are they going to be or is this going to be?
It's possible that this game sucks, that both teams are
really conservative and they you know, or it's possible the
Seahawks take the lid off the offense.
Caleb's amazing. He's got three absolutely insane
wide receivers. We don't know the answer, but
when you take Keenan Allen and Roma Doonsay.
You do know the answer. You do know the answer.
This game's going to fucking crush.
You're going to win the tournament with this game.
You should be taking some Seahawks on the other side to
draft Tyler. Tyler Lockett becomes more of a
priority. JSM becomes more of a priority
because you already know Caleb's going off.
He's driving 2 wide receivers to high scores.
Seahawks are going to have to pass.
Another thing like, I think a good illustration of it, last
year people would talk about the CD, Lamma, Mon Ross, St.
Brown being this Chalk Week 17 correlation, but maybe lost in
the sauce. There is people weren't reaching
for that. It was chalk because it was
correlated to ADP. Like if the schedule didn't have
them pitted together, both of them were gonna go in that same
range regardless. So that's.
Like, still would have been a ton of lamb.
Almanrati. Yeah.
Oh yeah. Just natural, yeah.
I think where you get into trouble is when you are reaching
in the early rounds and we we know and this is one of the
things that I was looking at like the ADP value curve and how
representative it is of projecting points and and
sacrilegious had showed me this too of the differences in value
from like a second round pick to a first round pick are massive
relative to like say the drop from a tenth round pick to a
17th pick like just that one pick.
Our ability to identify these stars at the top.
I think where you really get into trouble is when you vault
people up in the early rounds for correlation purposes.
So like one example, I'm already now seeing Laporta as I
mentioned the cold open like going with CMC at the turn and
we could already talk about the opportunity cost of taking
Laporta with the other good tight ends, cheaper yadda yadda.
But I think that's where I want to be.
Be careful. I want to be back weighting my
correlation, using that as stronger tiebreakers as I move
throughout the draft, but still letting the top of the draft
come to me. But I think most people like,
fucking love correlating the hell of the out of their line
right out of the gate. And that's that's definitely
silly And I would the way I would say is like if you it
would make a lot more sense like like live in a world with me
where Iuke was going in the late 3rd where mid to late 3rd where
Laporta was and then we just learned today that he was on the
49ers and so oh sick. He's on the 49ers too let's take
him on the 2 three turn with CMC and get same team correlation.
We that way, We're getting that way.
We're setting up a 49ers stack that would that would make a lot
more sense than if we were like trying to draft a tight end
bring back to CMC, you know, 6-7 picks ahead of where he's going.
Like this isn't especially that early on in the draft.
Like it isn't that impactful to have to be fundamentally
changing like you're the landscape of the first three
rounds of the draft. And to your point, like there's
a difference in the same team correlation thing that can be a
full season correlation concept, right?
Like it's not, you get. The week 16 bonus, you get.
The week 15 bonus you get the you get the advance rate bonus.
I mean, same team stacking is very, very powerful.
Week 17 stack is just for the one week if you're there.
Right. And I that's something that I
like when I just said I I might do the Tyree a Chan waddle
thing. Some of that stuff.
Some of that stuff is for me, some of the Week 17 stuff is
just that I want to be really in on like a certain offense and
then maybe just like feather in some players on on the other
side of it, 'cause I I I think the full season side of it.
One of the things that we're kind of trying to caution here
in this conversation is overweighting the week 17
stacking and overweighting the you wake up tomorrow and you're
there and you're in the final week 17 because you can go too
far with it. To the extent that you're now
really damaging the the the possibility that you're going to
get there, 'cause you've reached on everything and your team's
just not going to be good throughout the year and you
haven't, you know, you haven't built, you haven't structured
your team and and followed the other rules well enough and
built a good fantasy team. You haven't drafted enough good
players. Like at a certain point it does
come back to like best player available.
Like, yeah, I mean all these things are for us trying to, you
know, we we used to joke about like, yeah, if we knew who all
the best players were, we would just draft them.
That's why structural drafting exists.
But you know in this massive field tournament, to a certain
degree, like, you're going to have to be right.
You're going to have to draft the best players.
So like, it does come down to like be right about the players.
You're picking two. I mean that that matters as
well. But anyway, the the the team,
the team correlation for me is, is so powerful.
Again, to your point, like, I just took Nico in the late 2nd
and then I was like, oh, I want to take Diggs in the early 3rd.
And I want to try to get Stroud. And I want to say that the
Texans are this story that we've been telling ourselves and
they're just a fucking awesome offense.
And he goes for 5000 yards and 50 touchdowns and both of these
dudes catch 15 touchdowns and it's just incredible.
Maybe Tank Dell gets hurt, which I mean, you know, knock on wood,
we're not, we're not rooting for that.
But that's part of the you know the team level correlation how
it can really break right for Nico Diggs combination with
Stroud but you're I mean that's not about week 17 and then and
then I would want a week 17 bring back I would you know
whether that's like a a later round guy maybe maybe that's a
Bateman maybe that's a Devontes Walker late and I'm like yeah
look I'm just looking at late season rookie breakout like I do
want that game stack but well. You're bringing my best to to
me. If I'm doing that and I've got
Trey McBride and Marc Andrews sitting there, I'm more likely
to take Marc Andrews. If I've got, you know, Zay
flight, you know, Tank Dell can't be the tiebreaker, but
it's Zay flowers or I don't know, whatever, some other wide
receiver in the fourth round, I'm gonna take Zay flowers.
So that's, you know, spots where I might break ties.
But if I'm not gonna take, you know, Zay flowers to start the
third round to make sure I get them with Nico or something.
Pete, just meant just through the chat and I I want to throw
it out there too. In case you don't get a chance,
Pete, that you have that great video on week 16 verse week 17,
which somebody asked about Pat, I wanted, I wanted to also say
to you like, I mean when, when Week 16 mnemonics.
I know. Well, the week 16 mnemonics are
are tougher because you kind of I I was thinking through how I
do this and it's like you almost want to tell a story of each
team, 'cause you can't these are easy, 'cause it's just you were
memorize the game. But I don't.
When I try to memorize the week 16 games, then it's like it
pushes the week 17 games out of my head.
So but to that point, I think it's far more important that we
have the week 17 games memorize than the Week 16 games 'cause I
think the week 16. Pete kind of got into this in
this video. But we don't have, we don't have
a do better lever. We have a game stack lever, and
game stack lever is gonna generally be more powerful.
And I mean, you're taking on some risk when you game stack.
The game might dud and it might take a team that would have
finished 16th with just a solid score first out of 16 and make
it finish 15th and you don't advance 'cause you 'cause you're
game stacked. And if the game goes off, you
absolutely fucking demolish your pod.
Doesn't matter. You don't get any extra points
for demolishing your pod, you just need to finish first out of
16. So it's like there's kind of,
you know, a there's like a a a a target landing pad that's fairly
it's much wider in week 16 than week 17, and week 17, the target
landing pad is extremely thin. It's just first place that we
really, really want, and so you want.
Some. Of us are still looking for
that. I do recommend it and you know
you get you get you want to take on a little more risk if it
unlocks additional upside and that's like a game stack
definitely does both. It adds on a little bit more
risk that the game does but you're hoping to hit one of
these games where two offensive push each other and they go nuts
and and you capture a lot of those points.
So I would say that the week 16 thing and again check out Pete's
video cause 'cause you covered this but stacking like if you're
trying to that's where dare I say we can have our cake and eat
it too we can go, we can get week 17 correlation in by
getting same team but that also helps us in week 16.
So I think, I think we can try to get the same team stack.
If you're Let's make our pick here, which we are, right back
up. Are we all Tyreek?
Yeah. Yeah.
I think you should be the one-on-one, but I would be down
if you guys wanted to be able to chase our Jefferson team.
We we we did our whole example of how we're not scared off.
I'm not scared. Yeah, yeah.
Like I would say, if you are just whatever reason still
skeptical of Week 17, bring backs or 16 bring backs, just
just stack the hell out of your own players like you have Bijon
Robinson. Like in a draft I did the other
day I I decided to take Rondell Moore with my last round pick
'cause I already had an Atlanta guy didn't have the schedule
yet. Like, just correlate the hell
out of your own teams. Get as many players from a same
group of teams as possible and you will get to realize most of
these benefits. Oh, that's that.
Your mention of Bichon there brings up another question I I
want was curious if you guys had any like big like winners or
losers from the schedule because I mean the reason being I think
Atlanta was a massive winner. I mean we knew they were going
to be playing an easier schedule and and probably dumb games, but
they got domes in 15 and 16 and then at Washington which already
has like a really high look, a headline like over under.
And the expectation is that could be, I mean that's an
outdoor game, but expectation is that could be a a pretty high,
high scoring game. You get Kirk Cousins back in
Washington, you get, obviously, Jade Daniels late in the year.
Or you get Michael Pennix versus the other first.
Or you get Pennix, but dude I mean with with that 15/16/17, I
don't know that got like and they're they're none of them are
very good teams. I think Atlantic can win like
all the games play from ahead. I think Bijon should.
I really like the top five this year.
I think he should be going ahead of Almanro and I think he should
be in the group with the top five.
I think arguably he should be the RB1 ahead of Christian
McCaffrey, pretty pretty strong. I think he's.
I don't think he should be ahead of Breece.
I think Breece is a better, a better pick.
I mean, I I think he's a better player and I think he's in a
just as good of a situation. What What has you on on him as a
you've done what he's done in the NFLI remember two years ago,
Breece's rookie year, we talked about like what he was as a
prospect and you didn't have him as high as a prospect.
And then last summer, you loved. Breeze.
Yeah, because what he did in the NFL, to me, the NFL stuff of
like the prospect is like, the prospect analysis is to like get
us in the right ballpark on these guys.
And then what? What if we see them like fucking
hitting homers left and right in that ballpark?
Then we're going to take note immediately.
And that's what we saw Bruce doing.
So to me, like what he's done through two seasons plus being a
good, I mean, I thought he was a good prospect, just maybe not in
a like hyper elite prospect like Bijon.
But you know, Saquon was this Uber prospect and he's been good
to some extent. I think the Uber prospect stuff
is counting floor, it's counting ceiling and it's counting floor.
And it's like Saquon's not going to bust, Bijon's not going to
bust. Jonathan Taylor's not going to
bust, but it doesn't necessarily mean they're going to break
fantasy. We want to be seeing what they
actually in the league I. I'm I'm, I'm putting just such a
massive asterisk on everything with Atlanta last year and the
year. Before.
And he was good. He was still good efficiency
wise. Yeah, I'm not worried about
Bijan at all. The big thing for me is he had
86 targets. So, like, I mean, that's
something Breeze Hall that has not Actually Breeze Hall had
more targets. He got he got fucking targeted
relentlessly by Zach Wilson. I was gonna say he has has not
done that, but he actually has more.
I'm looking at the list at 95. That's.
What I'm saying, man? That's wild.
I didn't even realize that. Yeah.
No, he's still he's Bijan's boxes.
Bijan's receiving and then just like the fact that they brought
in a a Rams offensive coordinator and the RAM system
and the the way that they like to keep a guy on the field for
all three downs and the fact that The Jets were on the
crafting more backs. I'm down to go any direction on
this. I mean, HN and waddle are both
obviously there. JT's the faller.
That's. I would.
I would take JT. He's not normally here.
Yeah, let's do that. Cause one of the Miami guys
could swing around and we could still get 2 Miami guys in the
first three. But this is this is crazy.
I didn't even see JT at first. That's crazy.
Yeah, you could also go neighbors with JT for the week
17. He's a really fun pick anyway at
303. So there's a lot of ways we can
now play this. Yeah, yeah.
Or yeah. Or see if we want to push if HN
comes all the way back around maybe.
Take HN too, if he's here. Yeah, definitely HN and waddle.
We are in. I did put the alert if you guys
are in the ship chasing Discord. I've been trying to tip you guys
off when we hop in and there are lots of ship chasers in here so
we do need to be a little aware of Avalanche type runs if we
start two straight running backs.
Yeah, well, we got to. I mean, it's yeah, here's.
Oh, so HN does go, so we can do neighbors or waddle, which are
both very fun for this build. Yeah, what?
Do you guys like? I think either is fine me.
Too. I think I I do too.
I think I would tie break to neighbors because of like, how
Miami can be. So like part of the Tyree kill
thesis is like, he's just getting nuts. 40% of the
offense, yeah. I like that and I I personally
kind of skew that way in general too, where like when I'm loading
I want to load up from one team. But man, we want these top picks
to absolutely hog the production in that week.
And I'm not saying I'm not going to have any hill and waddle, but
I think if just forced to choose, I'd rather just have the
one off from the elite. The other thing is Hill and
Waddle's gonna be really popular and Taylor Neighbors is gonna be
rare. Man, that's cool, 'cause
Neighbors is going to the second round in a lot of these, that's
correlate. That's a week 17.
Correlation. Yeah, that's what I was saying.
Yeah, it's that's it's killer. This is a nice fun ass start.
Yeah. 'Cause we can still go like most
are and you can still go two you can still do a lot of stuff with
Miami but you can just take Tyreek and not correlate to him
because he's that's like part of the Tyreek thesis is that he's
just like the whole offense is the the absolute monstrous
volume in the offense. But yeah no just to to tie a
ball in the Bijon thing. I just wanted to sit like so one
thing is they have the Atlanta has the easiest schedule in the
NFL by a ton it as far as the look of headlines Warren Sharps
been tweeting about this a bunch then they they are obviously
playing in a Dome. They're going to have a massive
play volume and pass attempt increase, which I think Bijon
showed. He can catch a lot of passes.
But I think that the competency of their passing game and their
offense and then that that point I was going to drive home was
they bring in Zach Robinson to be their OC.
He comes from the Rams. We love running backs and Sean
McVeigh systems even like Joe Mixon when he wasn't efficient,
would stay on the field way too much for the Bengals.
You know Zach Taylor, obviously connection, a lot of his
understudies have brought those offenses.
We don't know that for sure. But the possibility of Bijan
Robinson going from last year kind of being in like a a
committee for reasons that we didn't really understand, we're
always like, why is Bijon Robinson not playing more to
being like the clear workhorse, number 13 down guy, 'cause it's
part of their system they don't want to substitute, 'cause they
don't want to let you substitute and get out of base defense.
So the whole thing with the the Rams offense system is they
don't want to substitute. So you can't match
substitutions. So that might be something that
makes Bijon an 85% snap share guy and the volume would just be
a a massive increase over what he actually got in his in his
first year. Breece, I think, you know you
could have stuff like that. But Rodgers does so much at the
line, slows things down. You have a Nathaniel Hackett
effect. They drafted 2 more backs this
year and on on top of a banner candle like they have pretty
good backups. I think they might try to like I
I just, I don't I I guess I don't read.
The breeze thing is like they're going to use him so much they're
going to give him 350 touches. I kind of read the Bichon thing
that way. Yeah, but I'd rather, I mean, if
they throw to him like they've thrown to him through two years,
like I don't, I don't care. He's so explosive.
He's gonna get. All the first round.
Touches, yeah. And he's in a good situation and
I think he's better. I think the thing for me is I
think, I think Breece is better, 'cause I think Breece is
probably the best running back in the league.
Like at this point of CM, CS career, like it's probably
Breece. So I'm just like, you're gonna
give me the best running back in the league at like 107 or
whatever, or 108? Like, yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna
take that. I'm I'm pretty psyched about
that. The the other thing that's like,
I do agree, like the Bijon stuff and the entire, you know, sea
change there with coach and quarterback and everything is
exciting. But it's also easy to forget
that Bruce Hall's getting a huge quarterback upgrade, too.
Yeah, he's getting Aaron Wonder. He just fucking, like was a
league winner with Zach Wilson. He's the Garrett Wilson of
running backs, that's true. That's that's true.
You want to be on Unbris Hall too?
We're going to have some tough decisions here at the 4-5 turn.
We are now on the clock. What are?
These these ratings, rankings, what's going on?
Here, Amari Amari gives you the Miami Cleveland thing.
I like Kirk quite a bit more than Amari, but it.
Really is like if we're going to take one luxury, either a second
running back or an elite tight end.
Are we on the clock right now? We are on the clock 7 seconds I.
Would probably take one of those receivers and make that
decision. All the way back, let's take
Mari or Kirk. OK, we can do Amari.
I'm good either way. This is our tiebreaker here,
yeah. And then let the room kind of
decide what we're going to do here.
Oh week 17 we have Amari Cooper famously one of the biggest
explosion like single week blow up game type players and Tyree
kill. I can.
I can tell myself a story about that he.
Was pretty Amari Cooper's the Week 16 is all that matters
play. You know he he plays Week 16 and
then doesn't play for you Week 17.
OK, we are back on the clock now.
So Pacheco, James Cook or Andrews, I'm fine going with a
running back or a tight end here.
I would, you know, Pacheco or Andrews.
I would say I. Should probably say Andrews
personally, but. Yeah, I'm fine with that.
I think I would take Xavier Worthy though and just do a
fourth receiver. Are you guys, do you want to go
with another 'cause we have Taylor already.
Yeah, I guess it's to me it. Was also fine here.
If you guys want to do that, let's.
I, I, I sorry, we we kind of timed out.
I We just went with Andrews there.
That's fine. It's a pretty receiver.
Heavy room is why I was thinking maybe like because Xavier Worthy
in the fifth round, that's the early 5th.
But it's it's a pretty nice pick, yeah.
The, you know the one nice thing is like we'll continue to just
have tons of flexibility. We're not going to have to force
a running back two or a tied into.
We're in. We're in good shape here.
Plus, the Ravens played the the Dolphins last year.
Exactly. Yeah, you.
So you get that. You get.
That for sure. I'm at the point where I I want
to mention. Possible not to think of that
like. You know, Week 16, Week 17 gets
all the limelight. A lot of people forget that
Malik Neighbors plays Mark Andrews in Week 15.
So that's how we're actually advanced to.
I mean, I'm in. I'm in, yeah, I'm in.
Yeah, that's. Great.
Yeah. I mean that's a great point
though as well where you. Yeah, I have.
I mean I'm I'm more getting like legitimately scared about Rashid
Raisu. I had been trying to make the
case as of just a few weeks ago. Should be going ahead of worthy.
But like the he's gotten worse. Oh.
Xavier Worthy still here? Yeah, well I I I still think
that there's clear value with the cheese passing game.
When you talk about Kelsey being a fourth round pick now like he
used to be a first round pick. There's no somebody sent sent
the chart yesterday and I can't remember who it was but it was
like the pass rate over the last four years.
And I'm like this is the point I keep trying to to point out to
everybody. It's like if you go do
projections and you look at pass rate over expected and just
traditional pass rate, whatever they are so far ahead of
everyone else in terms of both like being at the top and
consistency at the top, like they throw a fuck ton period.
Like that's going to happen one of the last.
Week, though, was high. Last year they had an awesome
defense, so maybe it doesn't feel like.
And bad receivers. Yeah, bad.
Yeah, awesome defense, bad receivers.
Password over expected. Still super high.
Massive high, like they're going to throw a ton.
And if we are like saying that Travis Kelsey at a onesie
position is so fragile that he's a fourth round pick now, you
can't tell me that the Kansas City receivers and and and
Rashid Rice is such a suspension risk that he's going in the
eighth. You can't tell me that the first
round pick they traded up for doesn't belong in the 5th.
Like that's great. Does make a good point.
Doesn't help that Rashid is running around on this offseason
like Hannibal like. But that's not better for Xavier
Worthy, right? Like that's better for Marquis
Brown. Like those guys should be going.
It's it's a market inefficiency. Right now the the sum of the
KCAD PS:. Doesn't make sense to me.
I agree, yeah. And Pacheco Pacheco's probably a
decent pick there too. We could have.
Taken a.
Little on Pacheco. To 57 in this draft, which is a
very nice price relative to where he'll normally go.
Yeah, our team here through through the five rounds we got
that Tyriq at the top anchor running back in JT, two more
wide receivers, Malik Neighbors and Amari Cooper and then Mark
Andrews here. You know the the thing that's
nice about the Marc Andrews is in this room we see George
Kittle go 64, Kyle Pitt 66. So we would have been boxed out
of elite tight end if we don't go there.
And Pete, you're always talking about how it's easy to kind of
or not easy, but like, it's easier than people realize to
feather in different correlations.
You made the little joke about the Andrews neighbors thing, but
that is like, you're probably part serious.
Like that is like a a cool thing about this that goes overlooked
I think is like you're you're going to just like naturally
have some of these little like connections.
That's how you would normally draft with it in the back of
your mind. And it's like, oh, look at that,
look at that. Look at that, Yeah.
Yeah, well, just like I was. You know people you could go
back and look through your big board drafts right now.
You will have stumbled upon a lot of accidental correlations,
especially if you were prioritizing some divisional
matchups like that will will add to it as well.
Right. All right.
We're about to pick here at 6:10.
We are on the clock, so we do have Ladd Mcconkey, Brian
Thomas, Godwin. If we want to go the receiver
route. I don't see anything we would do
here running back. It feels like a wide receiver
pick. I think Ladd is good.
What do you think, Gretch? I'm good with that.
Yeah, it's Ridley by ADP, Ladd by Rank.
I I think I'm definitely Ladd Ladd at ADP in this room feels.
Fine, yeah, I'm lad over. Really.
I haven't taken a lot of lad, but in this spot it feels like a
good. I mean, we need to get another
receiver. It's a good rookie with a lot of
a lot of volume opportunity in front of him.
Yeah. Who do the Chargers play?
What's the mnemonic? Chargers play the Patriots.
Old Pit, old Herbert and new Herbert.
That's right. Yeah, that's great.
That's an easy one. That's an easy Patriots.
We could get into some some rookie receivers on the other
side of that. That's that's a nice one.
Yeah, and we both quarterbacks are are draftable too, so.
Yeah, every quarterback is still available to us except Anthony
Richardson. We are now back on the clock.
Burrow, Jones, Godwin by ranks ADP, Jonesboro, Montgomery,
Godwin, Deontay Johnson's down here for another wide receiver.
What do you guys think? I think we could maybe get away
with Aaron Jones. Otherwise, Godwin.
Let's do. Jones OK, Jones.
I've been pretty out on him the whole offseason so far.
Like, this is an older back. This offense is probably not
going to be that good. They're going to start a rookie.
And just recently I was like the last couple days I was like, I
mean he's still Aaron Jones. Like even if he misses some
time, he's going to have a spike.
Weeks you're getting a seventh round price.
Like, this is a He's playing in a Dome.
The offense isn't bad. Bad.
Like they have good receivers. He's gonna have room to run.
I don't know why I've been so out on him at his price.
He was still very explosive last year.
I guess I just feel like the. Revenge.
Game too, yeah. Yeah, I I feel like he was a big
injury risk. But I mean, I was all in on him
just this last postseason in in postseason, whatever our all the
our fantasy playoff contest that we did.
And he was good. And now I'm like, out on Aaron
Jones because of age. Like I just, I I realize I've
been inconsistent with it. So this is my first time
drafting Aaron Jones, so I'm excited to do that.
Gretch, I haven't. Hadn't clicked him a ton either.
Not necessarily because of a bias, but just because you'll
see like, where he is right now. It's like right at the end of
that wide receiver tear. Hopkins.
Godwin, you know, those guys will be there and it's like, let
me grab that last wide receiver and then guess what, I'll just
take Naji, Zach Moss, the other guys who go just like around
later. But you don't want to end up
with 0% of that guy just because of those dynamics.
Right. And and he is like Naji and
those guys are good bets for for volume and like 4 weeks and and
I think they are really nice pieces at their prices.
Aaron Jones is different in the sense of like Aaron Jones still
put up multiple, you know, 25 point half PPR games last year,
one in the playoffs, but like, this guy still like this dude.
Was. Right.
Super explosive playing in a Dome, catches, passes.
Every year of his career. Makes big, explosive plays.
He closed the season, including the playoffs with five straight
100 yard rushing games for the Packers.
Like, like he's good. I mean, it's really good stuff.
Honestly makes To me it never made any sense what the Packers
did because why commit multiple years to a a running back on a
second contract? You know play running back year
to year and Aaron Jones is, I think better than Josh Jacobs
right now. Maybe maybe his hamstring will
make that look like a bad take or whatever, but I think if you
give me a game tomorrow and I get Aaron Jones or Josh Jacobs,
I'm taking Aaron Jones. I'm I'm not really thinking that
hard about it. It is scary to have a 29 year
old back in an offense that like like the the Vikings are longer
shots than I think people realize to be competitive this
year. Like the market has them as like
+1000 to win the division. They're one of the longest shots
to win their own division of any team in the league.
Like they're expected to be pretty poor.
The the other three teams in their division are all expected
to be comfortably better than them then because they had to do
a lot of resetting with their defense and all that stuff as
well. But it's not like Aaron Jones is
just going to not play football. You know, like he's still going
to be on the field and he's still an explosive player.
As long as he stays healthy, like he's gonna have some games,
he's good. Like you were just saying, he
probably is than Josh Jacobs. I mean, like, I don't know, like
if we were, if we just zoom out to the end of the season, if
you're like, do you wanna play Josh Jacobs like the Raiders
made the playoffs, Do you wanna play Josh Jacobs or Aaron Jones?
It'd be like Aaron Jones. What's the question?
We're on the clock. No stacking at the top for us.
Trey, Benson, Mostert. James Connor.
Running backs. Curtis, Samuel, Cortland Sutton,
Mike Williams, Tyler Lockett. Wide receivers.
Nothing. Well, tight end and Joku, if you
wanted to be done with that Cleveland thing, what do you
guys think? The running backs all look good.
I haven't drafted a lot of Samuel either.
Samuel Samuel kind of fits, I think.
Yeah, I think Samuel's could take care.
We could also do most we never got the the correlation.
Yeah, we can kind of let potentially.
Yeah, that's true that. Could be monster or it could be
in Joku. Oh and Joku just the other the
other non receiver. Cleveland, Miami.
Peace could have been in Joku on the way back.
Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of backs to
cover here. I mean as cover as well though.
They're both went. Yeah, I I also have no problem.
I mean, we still have some good options at at running back here.
We could also grab a 6th wide receiver.
As far as quarterbacks, I don't think we need to do anything
with quarterback here. I do not see anything with tight
end here unless we wanted to do like, yeah, I think it's.
It seems like one of those receivers or or like Javonte
would be the back for me. Or we've had the Javonte Bride
Robinson conversation every draft I'd.
No, we could do Javonte or I mean, I think Connor's Draftable
here, but we could go Javonte. With the two I.
Worry that late season you have Benson taking over from Connor
Almost. Do you guys want to do?
Sutton, Sutton or Sutton was, I was kind of leaning toward.
Yes, let's do that. I think Sutton, Williams and
Lockett are all very viable in this range.
They're, I mean they're they're veterans that have gotten
cheaper. They're not your traditional
like usually the veterans on this cusp of like pick 100 are
like outside the wide receiver window.
Sutton's a #1. Mike Williams I think is going
to the quarter to a quarterback that fits what he needs, like he
needs to got to throw them open and and Aaron Rodgers is kind of
that dude in terms of like using athleticism in the red zone and
stuff. Like I I feel like that's what
he did with Christian Watson in 2022 a lot and then lock it.
Pete, you highlighted in a video recently like both Pat and the
ETR guys have ranked well ahead of where he's been going.
I mean, these are those are all veterans that I think are worth
taking in Round 9. Yeah.
And that's why I feel like you know everyone always referenced
the the Bateman line at the, you know, 7-8 turn last year like
this year that at least for now it's further because I think
guys like Sutton and Lockett and even Mike Williams are inside of
that where I'm like I don't mind those guys and.
It's it's different too, because it's thinner in like 5 and six,
like Keon Coleman's going in round six, right?
Like Brian Thomas, I've talked about not loving him.
Calvin Ridley, I don't think Calvin Ridley's that much
different than those 3 veterans we're just talking about in
round nine. Like, I don't think he's
massively, massively different. He's.
I'd rank him higher probably, but.
If I was just doing the rankings, I don't think I would.
If I if I was just like making the ADP I I don't think I would.
The other so you know, solid construction for us so far 2
running backs, 6 wide receivers, one tight end.
One nice thing about the quarterbacks you know lots of
late options too here. I mean we got, we got Tua and
Herbert, we got super late Daniel Jones, Bone Nicks mid
late we got Watson you know. So there's a there's a lot of
different ways we can go here. I don't know what just happened
to my camera, so I'm not feeling too worried there.
No, we're we're in good shape. Yeah, two.
Don't we have a couple options for this next?
Turn. Yeah.
This next turn is probably we want to think about it and we
could, we could just take them and and be done or we could push
it, but we don't need to. We don't need to worry about it,
yeah. Three just went, it looks like
at the bottom there. Oh look, I can't see Pete order
the board. Or the draft.
Oh no. Rewind in the 7th.
That was a long time ago. What is Is this a bit?
What is this EOS Webcam? That is, that is what
facilitates my my camera with my SLR.
But I do not know what just happened.
I will try to figure it out, otherwise I'll switch my camera.
We're about to pick here the let's see the Waddle drafters
behind us. He's just picked we can probably
push Tua around the wrap unless we think this guy actually he
has a chance. So if we did want to get Tua.
Do we want to? Would we want to do Tua and
Herbert here and hit both in this window and then be done?
Because we have Makonky too. We definitely could, yeah.
I think we grabbed, I think we grabbed 2.
Let's grab two and keep that open 'cause it is flat enough
that I think that might be the the optimal way to do it.
Get two QB window QBs like this is a good time to be taking QBs.
Yeah, yeah, The only the only counter to Herbert would be
like, hey, we have so many other stacking options late, do we?
But I think we would want to get pushed off of it with a with a
really good selection. But two was good there, 'cause
we do have the we have both sides of that game already.
It. I mean, that was a good one to
get locked up. That was a really good one.
Yeah, 'cause we have the bring back.
Yeah, yeah, I think we probably just grab Herbert unless there's
something you guys really like here.
Is there any? The other move would be to grab
Judy and double up the Brown side, but then we're pushing
ourselves potentially onto Watson and two out of the same
game, which is an ideal so. This does not feel like a
running back sweet spot. It's not a tight end sweet spot.
So it literally would be Judy or Herbert.
Do you have one Gretch? I'd be Herbert.
Yeah, let's do Herbert. We're.
Already at six wide receipt. When we took LAD in the in the
sixth round, we're saying that their password's gonna be a
little higher than we expected. That their offense is gonna be a
little more fun than than we expect.
And like I want Herbert at this price.
If I'm taking LAD in the 6th like Herbert is is discounted
right now because of the expectation of of run heavy
offense. But once you commit to a
receiver like, he's a good pick at 11:03, right?
Yeah. This is, I mean, Tua Herbert
could be a really good quarterback.
Room for these prices. Late 10th, early 11th.
Yeah, you could feel like you have like 2-6 seventh round,
like that could be a 6-7 turn type of value at the position,
yeah. Yeah, the the other nice thing
too is we could have, you could find yourself in territory even
taking Tua where if you go like Nyx and McCarthy late, like you
end up having to have a three quarterback build.
Where now we are, we're good at quarterback.
We have a We freed up an extra roster spot with these two.
Yep, Yep. We have a both stacked with
their number ones probably. I mean Mcconkey's the number one
in terms of ADP. We have a bring back, a good
bring back on the 2A game and we also have a lot of outs to a
bring back on the the Herbert game, which like could be the
number one on that side too. I mean, basically we could have
the number ones on each side of our quarterbacks Week 17 games.
Yeah. It's pretty good, pretty good
structures out pretty well. Yeah, that sounds pretty fucking
awesome. We could take Hunter Henry, too.
I mean, there's our there's our tight end, too.
If we didn't, do you know Javon Baker Or there's a lot of
options with the Patriots. Yeah.
Now we got a slice of Pete. Now, now you're going to get my
old camera, 'cause I do not know what's going on with my other
There you go, You're going to get this.
You you look fine. The the other thing too, we also
have two extreme punt tight end options as well with the
Dolphins and the Chargers if we're trying to.
Stack up True. Hell yeah.
But somebody just said positive thinking in the chat.
The reality is I only do slow drafts.
And so like you guys are all like wired to this stuff and but
I have to think through it. So I'm, I'm like thinking out
loud like, oh these are some things we could do later.
Oh, Hunter Henry could be an option.
Oh, just. Scroll down just.
Thinking out loud. So I feel like structurally
running back would be nice. Yeah.
Schultz and Comet were probably the only two interesting tight
ends, and they both went. Yeah, Schultz, man, Schultz and
Comet. Those guys have been just maybe
because I've been doing so much elite tight end, but I just
never end up with those guys. I take some Schultz.
Not so much. Comet.
I didn't fall to me really far the other day, and I took him.
What are we looking at? So Jalen Wright seems like a
smash here for us. Yes, Jalen Wright is.
Dude, we never got another Miami running back.
Oh yeah. Yeah 'cause we can get down.
Yeah. And you, I guess Lloyd, Lloyd's
ADP is behind, right? You're right.
Yeah. So that was kind of nice.
Lloyd went ahead of right there. Normally I think if someone's
drafting a rookie running back there, they're taking taking
Jalen, right? That was a sick.
That was awesome, Yeah. The yeah other thing we could
think through is if we are double stacking Herbert, the
yeah, the QJS definitely wouldn't be the pick here.
Or we could do Polk as a bring back.
I know we just talked about how we want to break ties, but is it
a tie? I guess?
I guess it probably is. We should take QJ.
What do you think, Gretch? Do you have a preference on
those two? I think they're both.
No, I don't. I think they're both good picks.
Yeah, we could take Luke Musgrave too.
I think it's a a viable tight end option.
And we have Aaron Jones, right? Isn't that Green Bay, Minnesota
again? Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, we can do that. The only thing is we're boxing
ourselves out of the later options.
Like, yeah. Like the oh Polk goes, yeah,
because there's like Tua and some of the other I kind of and
because of like Kraft if we wanted to correlate there I kind
of lean QJ. What do you think?
I I, I lean. QJ with with Polk on, Yeah.
Let's do it, yeah. Let's double up.
Would you ever I always people always like thinking through the
the hand cocking options like at cost Would you ever do Aaron
Jones with Ty Chandler? Probably not, but you could.
You could force my hand into into that one.
I took Jalen, Warren and Naji together, but Naji fell to 101.
So I got Jalen Warren at ADPI, got him at like 92 and then I
got. So I got Naji 2 rounds after ADP
basically, and Warren at ADP and I I went ahead and did that.
The chat just asked about Josh Palmer for out on him, he went
in the tenth round. So I mean I I would have
definitely been considering him but he went several rounds ago.
As far as that question, Pete, I think if those prices that I
would do it. I mean God if you're willing to
do that with the Steelers of those prices, I feel like we
might. My big concern would be is if
Minnesota's offense is even good enough, but that's also a
concern for principal offense. I my, my what I was saying with
Aaron Jones earlier is I I worry about his fragility.
But I also think when he's healthy he has huge spike week
potential and can be a good part of a build when he's a a seventh
round cost. The guy who benefits if he
misses time is Ty Chandler and I don't think it's crazy to think
that Aaron Jones plays like 10 games and has like 4 strong
weeks and then the other six or seven games you're getting
really good 13th round production out of Ty Chandler.
I mean, I can tell myself that story pretty easily.
Yeah, I mean if Quentin Johnson was gone it it's easier.
It's just like man, you're what's the opportunity cost.
Well, it's double stacking your quarterback, that's.
Yeah. Well, in this case, no, Pete was
just saying would you ever do it?
I I think that's one where I could.
I think you could do it. I think you can do it.
I think you don't want to be. I think you want to be like
taking a little less Chandler than you normally would, but
maybe not freaking out about it. Yeah.
Yeah, I think even just like separating the player values or
or player archetypes like who they are, how they win,
etcetera. I think it's right on the fringe
for me on like the cost range of where like Aaron Jones is out.
But I like that, like, you know, Aaron Jones slips, you know,
just the other day, like I did a Jerome Ford Deontay Foreman
yesterday on the Swole cast and that felt really good 'cause I
got four like 15 picks past ADP and then Foreman in the last
round and I'm like at cost. That seems like a pretty good
way to grab the non Chubb backs in the in the Cleveland
backfield I. Think we're talking to wanting a
running back here? Yeah, and this this syncs up
with it really well. I mean, do we do Vidal past ADP
with this charger stack? Yeah.
We are. We're all in on the Chargers
right now. Let's do it.
Yeah, I love that. That's saying, I mean, 'cause
we're already saying that they're going to pass more,
which means like Gus Edwards got hurt and JK Dobbins never came
back from the Achilles. And like now the rookies
playing, but they're they're in a little bit of a more pass rate
offense. Like, I I like getting the
running back when it's like same thing with Jalen Wright with a
2A thing. It's like, OK, well, if their
team's plans at running back don't work out, it probably
pushes them toward toward passing more, which is already
what we're playing in, you know, in this offense.
Yeah. Yeah, I like that on the Jones
thing. Like, I think a big part of it
too for Minnesota is just like the specific back.
Jones is like Chipsy was saying that, that he's never been a
workhorse. And then the fact that in that
depth chart the the number 3 battle is the same guys that
were there last season. It's Miles Gaskin and Dwayne
McBride and all those dudes and and like Ty Chandler to beat him
out. So.
How's Titan good then? Yeah, it I think we're, I think
we could chill. I mean, I I like Bucky a lot.
He's kind of the last of a tier for me here.
But if you want to lock up tight end, I'm OK with it.
I would maybe link to locking up Jonnu with the double stack, but
I also find with Bucky. I I would be Bucky or I I think
Herbert's in this Tier 2. But I would be either those two.
I I just don't think Jonnu's that.
I mean, I the correlation stuff matters.
But I just don't think he's that kind of a Peck, like because of
the concentration of the wide receivers.
And to me, I'd rather that's again, not that ADP matters in
this range, but I do think like Jonnu could easily come back to
us at 190. A lot of times people don't want
him unstacked and if someone takes Jonnu, we that's the
beauty too of having like Andrews, right?
It's like we can we could grab Tucker Craft as that other
correlation opposite. That is, that is part of the
reason, Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or, I mean, I don't know who you
would take for the Chargers, but you could take Will Disley or
right nurse. Yeah.
Yeah, Disley, I think it's
draftable in this type of build. The other thing I I would say
about the Aaron Jones thing is that and I I'll bring up the the
running back room that I had with with Naji.
So I drafted James Cook, Jalen Warren, Naji Harris, Khalil
Herbert, Deontay Foreman. That's the room.
So I feel like if you're gonna do it, it's best to do it where
like I'm kind of, I'm now like Pittsburgh running back is like
soaking up a lot of my draft capital at the position in like
more than I put into it. Like it's like I'm taking
advantage of the balloon effect of like I got the whole
backfield. So like on this team, for
example, the fact that we had Jonathan Taylor, Aaron Jones,
Jalen Wright, am I, like dying to like, make sure I have the
whole Vikings backfield? Not really.
I've got, I've got. I'd rather kind of take big
cracks with my other running back positions, 'cause I have
Jonathan Taylor holding down a spot.
So now it's just like, how do I fill my RB2?
And it's probably a little too safe to be like my RB2's always
the Vikings guy. Like maybe.
I mean, I probably want to take AI, probably want a league
winner as my RB2, and maybe I already have that in Jones, but
I don't want to necessarily like bet against that bet when I have
enough capital to position. And we just did, to that point,
we just did the thing we talked about basically the whole show
last week, which was the the rookie running backs in this
range, we just hit three in the last four.
Exactly. Yeah, so the squad here through
15 rounds, we got Tua and Herbert.
We got big bats on the Chargers and Dolphins.
Our running backs looking good. JT Aaron Jones and then three
rookies, Jalen Wright, Kamani Vidal and Bucky Irving.
Decent wide receiver room up to seven here.
Tyree Kill, Malik, neighbors Amari Cooper, Ladd Mcconkey,
Curtis Samuel, Corton Sutton and Quinton Johnson.
And then Mark Andrews holding it down at tight end for us this
team. I'm I'm into it.
Yeah, and that's I do again, like, there's so many benefits
to the elite tight end, but like not ever having to, like feel
queasy or feel like you're reaching for a tight end when
you kind of have that anchor there.
Just, I don't know, I I love having that flexibility in the
mid rounds. Like if another tight end drops
and it makes sense, like beautiful.
But I'm never gonna have to, like, panic chase tight end once
I got that anchor. It is really nice.
Yeah. Yeah, I think that's like, I
probably, I think I probably would have drived Jonnu there,
but it's so much nicer if you can take Bucky and then just get
Jonnu anyway, so. Now Jonnu went back.
So it's so, I mean it's clear it's like one of these things.
I was gonna say do like IA. Lot of the other options we had
at Titan have been going like, I mean like no offense are really
fun like back door laid tight like I.
But this is like, if you can draft like this and you know
it's the best way to draft, like you get the guy who you want.
It's like this is the very last draftable person and the team
would be completely dead without him.
And here he is. Yeah, it felt a little.
Not dead without him, but it felt a little like Titan Two was
gonna be an issue. But sometimes I do that with
like this would be more of like you know a quarterback who's
double stacked like do you do you push him and and if he comes
back you're like holy shit, this team is actually gained
something from it or you just make sure the team's not dead.
So here's here's the other thing is do we take Disley and 20 and
make it a three tight end build with both Jonnu and Disley as
like super fragile number twos? I think it's viable, but we
would tend, it would be like, do we feel like we're giving
something up? Yeah, What?
I mean, that's what I'm kind of wondering what what would be
giving up? Wait, did we ever take a
Patriot? We never took a Patriot.
I. Was just gonna bring up to
Mario. Yeah, he's he's perfect.
Yeah, we're, I mean looking at the other.
And then we need another. Do we need another running back?
I think we have a luxury pick, honestly, OK?
We do. We have a looker, Yeah.
We don't need another QB. I think we're good at receiver
probably. Receiver's nice.
I mean, this team's so balanced that it.
I think it's a true luxury Pick I.
Think it's a true luxury pick, too?
For me, I think it would be running back or doing the dis
lead thing, 'cause I think if you have Tyreek and you're and
you get like Amari and Curtis Samuel and Sutton and a lot of
those veterans that it's like, I mean, yeah, injuries happen and
stuff like that, but I I feel really good about this receiving
court too, like there's a lot of solid, usable weeks here, you
know? I think if I flip this team over
in week 17, I want that extra tight end.
You want the stack, right? Like both of the stack.
Tight end, yeah. Having both the QBs stacked up
like that is is pretty Andrews is a tight end one all regular
season and then through the three playoff weeks we have both
our quarterbacks with this like 2 touchdown tight end potential.
Now you can say like does taking Deontay Foreman give us a better
chance of making week 17 and also like maybe Foreman's also
correlated and maybe so I I probably would take Deontay
Foreman over Disley. But structurally I think I lean
the tight end, if that makes sense.
I still go with your Foreman. And if I told you guys we had
six wide receivers through 108 total wide receivers, you would
tell me, no, we're we're good. We're good at wide receiver.
Right. Yeah, I think Foreman is pretty
fun, but yeah. Are there any other running
backs other than Foreman that you can click running back?
Yeah. Lalby Chapter Damien Pierce,
Evan. Damien Pierce gives you an
Andrews thing. Pierce is kind of weird.
Like, he's definitely their handcuff, right?
He's kind of weirdly underpriced.
He was overpriced last year, but like, this dude was like a six
round pick last year. I know he's not a great fit for
the rushing scheme. Like everything was bad last
year. He got beat out by Devin
Singletary. They brought in Joe Mixon.
Like if Mixon gets hurt, is it not Damien Pierce's backfield?
No, it's not. They do have JJ Taylor fat.
I just looked up their death. Chair.
I'm looking up their death hair, too.
It's dark or or or. Joe War Jordan.
Six round pick.
Guys, this is where I like to I like to admit things.
I don't know who Casey Washington is.
I don't either. I don't either.
OK, I I did. I was like, I'm sure there's
some random prospect I met. I was like, I legitimately do
not know who Casey Washington is.
Looks like he was a sixth round pick out of Illinois.
I mean, is he just like a special team, Sir?
Like why did no one Pat Pat would should know who college?
Career Washington appeared in 10 games, 5 as a starter.
Oh, as a true freshman. OK, I was like, this is old
career. OK, I was about to lose my mind
in 2022. He played thirteen games.
He. Played five seasons and in.
His collegiate career with 122 receptions for 1500 yards and
four touchdowns, he made the Shrine Bowl.
You guys want to do foreman here?
Kind of get that. I think we're disley.
Are we disley? I'm.
I'm either, yeah. Yeah, you you can.
You can decide. I think I I think there's more
chances Foreman contributes to this team.
OK. 'Cause we also have some rookies
that could just be like stones. Or that could be helpful.
Yeah, and we have, we have two Chargers already.
I mean having the third one stacked up would would be nice,
but I think we're we're Andrews anyway.
Like, regardless, this is just somebody we'd bring along for
the playoff weeks. For the Yeah.
All right, here's this final team.
It's a 2682 big Miami Charger stack, so we have Tua with
Jaylen Wright, Tyree Kill and Jonny Smith.
And we have Justin Herbert with Kamani Vidal, Ladd Mcconkey,
Quinton Johnston, and then the running backroom Jonathan
Taylor, Aaron Jones, Wright Vidal, Bucky Irving and Deontay
Foreman. The rest of the wide receivers
along with Hill, Mcconkey and QJ Malik, neighbors Amari Cooper,
Curtis Samuel, Cortland Sutton, Demario Douglas, tight ends Mark
Andrews and Jonny Smith got some nice correlations there.
Obviously with Cooper and Foreman on the bring back for
Miami in Week 17, we have Demario on the bring back in
Week 17 for the Chargers. We have Sutton as the bring back
in Week 16 for the Chargers. I would say our only, you know,
correlation miss. We didn't get any Niners to come
back for Miami in Week 16, but we can live with that.
Yeah, that's a really concentrated offer.
This is a fun, fun ass team. I'm Casey Washington.
I got some fun facts for him. He played 49 games.
In his first 46 games, he never had 70 receiving yards and he
never caught a touchdown. His 47th game of 49 games, he
had 99 yards and ATD and his 49th game, his very final game,
he had 218 yards and three touchdowns.
So all four of his final of his touchdowns his college career
came in. He's a five year player, played
49 games. All four of his career
touchdowns came in the final three games, and it's only 270
plus yard games. So what I'm hearing is that
Casey Washington is really hot right now.
It's. Really hot coming off of two of
the three best games of his career.
Yeah, that was that was a fun a fun draft there.
Thank you to the the ship chasers who hopped in.
We got our girl Super Shorty with the an eliminator ass build
here of 3573. What did our guy star Kindler,
the KC Washington super fan here ended up with?
It was a Kirk Cousins A3582 Dak Jordan Love Kirk Cousins.
Our guy Rotorun from Badge Bros here Jalen Hurts, Jane Daniels.
Now that's a fun quarterback room.
And Ben Cinnett, you know, these rookies finally dropping.
This was like a normal room for ADP.
When Ben Cinnett goes at 162, you know, we're all kind of like
focused on schedule and not rookies anymore.
Yeah, that's so funny. I I was thinking it would be
like, you know, people coming in in August pushing down Ben
Cinnett. But it's so funny and it's like,
no, it's 'cause I don't have any Falcons.
I can't take the the full back for the for the.
Command. So he had Bijon, and he got
Pitts and and Daniels and Mclaurin and Sinnett and and
Eckler. I mean, as long as those
receivers hold up, those receivers are like Brandon Cooks
is your wide receiver five, bro? Like, this is a good team as
long as those receivers hold up. But I'm worried about those
receivers, yeah. It's fun.
Let's let's look at the team we drafted last week and see if we
landed on any accidental correlations.
Arizona Jane Daniels, Aaron Rodgers.
This was when Aaron Rodgers fell to to 2:03.
Do we have any Arizona Rams? No.
Any Jets, Bills?
This team is dead, dude. Dude, no correlate.
This might have even drafted last week to Daniels we.
Have no Atlanta either. Shit.
God, what's the holy No. Did.
You just rename it dead. Yeah, sign sign up on Underdog
with promo code SHIP so we can recoup our our money from this
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Oh man. Well that that was a fun draft.
I I enjoyed that. One that was a fun draft.
Anything you guys are working on here the rest of the week or
things people should keep an eye out for?
I've we've got a couple articles close to being released been
been kind of busy so we haven't had them out yet but we've got
sacrilegious article. I believe I teased these last
week but they are coming sacrilegious article and Steph's
article on her startup draft or her dynasty startup draft guide.
So those will be coming out pretty soon and FFPC rankings
are going to be coming out in the next, probably by Monday.
I would say we'll have those live and then working on
drafters rankings in the next few weeks.
But yeah, legendaryupset.com, Draft DraftKings and $100
rankings updated daily. Some good content going out
there. Gretch.
Same old, except I don't even think I've told you guys this,
but I've got some people working on some graphics.
I'm gonna start doing some videos at the Stealing Signals
YouTube page, which I haven't done a lot there other than
signals. Gold stuff.
I think I'm gonna do picks for my slow drafts.
Like part of the part of like being in a bunch of slow drafts.
So instead of being able to fast draft, I'll be the show that
does picks. It's on slow drafts for the show
and then some other stuff that I have planned that'll be that'll
be kind of fun. So anyway though don't know I I
might lose hope if I get everything lined up is to start
that next week. I think maybe next Wednesday.
So we'll see. Yes, and for if you go to the
the home page for the ship chasing YouTube, I have links to
our other YouTube page so I have the stealing signals.
The legendary upside, the deposit Kingdom.
So if you want easy links to those various YouTube channels,
they're just right here on the main Ship Chasing YouTube home
page. Also be sure to check out ADP
chasing this week. Very fun show with Hayden winks
on there, some good debates and fun time all around.
And then for me, I'm going to go in the lab.
I'm going to work on a a schedule video to get out in the
next couple days or so, hopefully breaking down some of
this stuff and yeah, otherwise I think that is it for me this
week. This was a fun time.
We are here if you guys are new for some reason every Thursday I
got our afternoon schedule here for the summer, 3:00 PM Eastern
and yeah, fun time drafting with you guys.
Plenty more of it coming this summer.
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Hi guys, I noticed they they dropped the Mastiff.
No one has done a Mastiff draft yet, but maybe at some point
this summer we can organize some high stakes live streams.
I like the big dog structure a little more.
It's a little bit more, you know, aspirational, yeah.
Fucking billionaires already got opinions on the prize structures
of the 500 and $1000 contest. It's.
Too flat? Look at.
This it's always. Too.
You think I would want it to be more flat?
You know, that would be. Wouldn't that be the stereotype?
It's. That's true.
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For Gretch, I'm Pete. Peace.