All right guys, with what has now become an annual tradition,
we have our pre NFL draft. This is such a a mouthful pre
NFL draft dynasty rookie mock draft super flex tited premium.
And to help us out, we brought on some special guests, some
dynasty thought leaders from around the space.
You guys know Blair Andrews from Rotovich, you know Ron Stewart
from the Ron Stewart YouTube channel and I believe first time
on the channel, Ryan Heath from Fantasy points.
They will be joining myself, Jacob and Davis to go 2 rounds
deep debating how these players should be valued before the NFL
places these guys on their teams.
I'm Pete. This is ship chasing.
Let's do it. Pat Fryer, Helmo.
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Jamar Alpha play Chase. You can't handle the heat.
It looks like we're finally at this.
Point you're right. All right, here we go.
Davis and Jacob fresh off of a very fun ADP chasing episode
last night with Sam Sherman returning.
And we got our special guests. Blair, you guys know from
Rodoviz, he's been on the channel plenty of times, same
with Ron Stewart. Ron, I just realized we might
have to book you twice for two Jets picks on the NFL Draft
episode next week. Oh.
Yeah, no, that'll be great. That'll be great.
I'm sure I'll love what they do. Yes, I think you'll you'll be
fine with the first pick. I think it'll be the second pick
where we get some. Live volatility.
Why are we saying the second pick?
Just say Omar Cooper. You mean Omar Cooper?
I'm not that sold on David Bailey.
I don't know the whole thing, like Aaron Glenn is like
picking. I don't know he's gonna get
fired by week 7 and the whole thing is a mess.
So. I want this on record.
I would take. I would take downs at 2.
I know it's an I don't hate that take.
That's what I'm. Coming around on it.
OK, All right. Well, we will save, you know,
some of the IDP talk for next week when we're killing time
during a four hour stream with lots of defensive players.
But our final panelist first time on the channel.
Like I said, Ryan Heath from Fantasy points.
Welcome to the ship chasing airwaves.
Yeah, Thanks for having me guys. Excited to get in here and chop
it up with you all. Yes, and the format that we're
gonna do, exact same format as last year.
I am putting all of our names on a randomizer right now.
We're gonna go 2 rounds, 24 picks.
Each of us will get 4 picks. The order could be, you know,
Davis gets 4 picks in a row. We'll we'll let the randomizer
figure that out. And then, you know, we can make
fun of each other's choices. We can debate some of these
spots and and see how you guys should be thinking about these
guys in dynasty leagues before the NFL draft.
Blair, how how are things going in your neck of the woods?
I know you guys have been doing all kinds of prospecting over at
Rodovis. Yeah, it's a fun, fun season to
be in the fantasy space or fun time, obviously right ahead of
the NFL draft when we can still have like really optimistic
takes on all these guys before they before they go to The Jets
or wherever. Exactly.
All right, Well, let's let's get
to it. I, I put 24 of these picks on
this randomizer so you guys can't accuse me of trying to rig
it. Davis How many how many shuffles
should I do here before we settle?
I mean if you if you do the the deck of cards, it's if you
shuffle a deck of cards 7 times, you get a full new,
statistically speaking you get a brand new mix that has never
happened before in human history.
So I think 7 times is correct. Wow, look at that.
Even coming with a fun anecdote as we randomize here, 123-4567.
Look at that great process, David.
Oh, almost. Yeah, apparently random.org does
not have the same statistical probabilities of a deck being
shuffled 7 times. Do you want me?
To am I? Am I even on here?
Did I not? Oh my.
Do you forget me? Ron.
Ron is not in there. I have to do 7 more times.
Ron. Oh my God.
Pete, would you consider just doing Wheel of Names 24
consecutive? Times Honestly, we could.
We could. Man, what?
AI love that we have all the AI in the world and Pete is
resorting to this as like. We certainly didn't have Dalton
case. Nick Kirkawano would be like,
man, come on. Bro he's he doesn't know why I
didn't build something in in replet or whatever before the
show. Here's my thing, I will.
Get. Of rigging it right if I just
come to the show with a preloaded thing so I like to
show people how the sausage gets made sure and I can't screen
share my quad I can't show you guys all my my dirty searches
and. Right now, Pete.
Pete's so committed to the handbuild that he won't even
copy and paste the name four times and typing it all 24
times. I'm on tilt right now.
I'm just on absolute, absolute tilt, but I do like your
suggestion to do it how we did with the the best ball draft
last week. Well, we'll.
Just more dramatic. Yes, you don't get to plot out
quite as much. Who am I forgetting on here this
time? Yourself.
Myself. Yep, myself.
OK. All right.
There we go. All right, this will be more
fun. Good suggestion.
Thank you guys for getting us here.
This is for. The one O 1.
And as you might remember, last year, Ray G thought this was an
overall dynasty draft. This is just the incoming 2026
rookie. Spin it 7 times though, no.
No, we're good now. We're good.
Davis, you are going to get the
the 101 pick here on a very gretsch.com ass site.
What? What do we got here?
Superflex League, You know, quarterbacks are super
important. You can't win without
quarterbacks. I will select noted offensive
weapon Jeremiah. Please do not put running back
for his position. Please put OW offensive.
Weapon for. For Jeremiah Love out of the
University of Notre Dame, I am. It's hard to tell if this is a
consensus opinion or not at this point, but in my rankings I have
him a tier below Ashton Genti. I have him I I guess, but for
most people it would be two tiers below Bijan Robinson and
Jameer Gibbs in my rankings. I actually have G&T in the Bijan
Gibbs tier in my dynasty rankings and and love would be
in the next mix of guys with a Chan Amari and Hampton.
You know, just the the that next group of of high ceiling decent
age cause 'cause then there's that weird dynasty tier where
like in dynasty, what do you do with McCaffrey, Barkley, Henry,
like the first second round redraft picks who might
literally be playing their last season of football.
This is very tricky thing ranking those guys.
So the the only league where I have the one O 1, I already
traded it away. So.
What did you trade it away for? I traded it away for shit.
I I think, I think 2:00 first and one of the running back.
I traded it like 2 months ago. I can't even, I can't even
remember. It was after the season ended,
but I traded away for, I traded away for two first because it
was I, it was one of those teams where it was not my one O 1.
I'd already traded for the one O 1.
Right. A team that you run could never
get the one O 1 naturally. People are people are saying,
people are saying, people are saying this more and more.
Yeah, I just, I, I something to me is just because this class is
so bad. I think it's elevated the status
of Jeremiah Love in people's eyes.
And maybe I will end up being wrong.
But to me, I mean, I did this show with Jacob last week and I
said to me he's more Hampton than GT.
Personally, this is where I'm at on on Jeremiah Love.
So I guess the question for the panel is anyone brave enough to
even play a little bit of devil's advocate here and say
maybe he shouldn't be the number one pick in Superflex with a
bullet? Can anyone do it?
No, I'm, I'm way higher on him than Davis is, so definitely
not. Yeah.
Blair, you're, you're cooking. You're trying to cook one up.
You're our contrarian here. I'm trying to cook one up but
it's really tough this year. Yeah, Ryan, I assume same for
you #1 with a bullet. He is.
If you want the devil's advocate take, it's that his production
wasn't that much better than what Audric Estimate did in
2023. There's a lot of very obvious
reasons for that, Joel among many among them.
So yeah, he's the one O 1. I may end up ranking him over
Gente even, depending exactly where he goes for a short term
landing spot. So yeah, I'm pretty high on him
ultimately. OK.
Also, yeah, Jacob and I both just messaged you at the same
time. Your mic levels are a little
soft there for us. All right, let that one seems
pretty locked in there as consensus.
It is kind of unfortunate that we don't have a quarterback up
there who could maybe challenge him for the one O 1, but we are
not going to force it. We are going to spin the wheel
and head to pick #2 here. Looks like it is going to be
Blair. Blair is going to be picking
second here. What are you thinking?
Can I trade down? You could try, except no one
knows what picks they have. So actually.
That might be very tough. So the one player I was thinking
if you could, if you could make a case for someone going ahead
of Jeremiah Love. This is going to sound crazy but
I think it's Kenyan Siddique in this.
Whoa. Yeah.
OK, here we go. Here we go.
So Siddique the best? I mean, when he gets drafted, is
he not already the most athletic player in the whole league?
Well, until Eli Stour's name gets called.
So for about 16 minutes he will be.
I mean, Stour's has the vertical, but Sadiq's a little
faster. Right, Stours.
Stours also has that pesky thing called producing on a football
field that. I hope so that Sadiq is still
trying to figure. Out.
Yeah, that helps a little bit. I mean, you're looking at Sadiq
as like a a George Kittle kind of guy, who, I mean, yeah,
Kittle didn't have this amazing production in college either.
And a lot of tight ends honestly kind of don't have the
production you're looking for necessarily.
But the athleticism goes a long way at the position.
So yeah, I don't know if I wouldn't take really Siddiq
here, but. OK, is this a bit you want you
want to? No, I still want to take them.
I still want to take them OK. There's.
Probably. There's probably a couple guys.
I might, I might. This is why I want to trade down
though. But this is your way of saying
you are much higher on Siddiq than the market in Titan premium
dynasty leagues? That's it.
OK, All right. Any, any other thoughts on
Sadiq? Obviously the the production
versus athleticism I think has been the the kind of talking
point with him. Ron, as someone who watched his
team draft Mason Taylor last year, where does Sadiq strike
you as a viable round one pick? That's one I get into to Jets
Twitter beefs with like nameless account faceless accounts
constantly. I don't know.
He's a he's a perfectly fine NFL first round tight end.
He's just not for me. Like tight ends are just tricky.
I know recently we've seen production do well in the past.
We've seen like freaks do well. I've just been hurt too much by
OJ Howard or Noah fan or you can go down whatever list you want
to really trust Kenyan Sadiq this high or like even inside
the top five picks. Like I don't know, like he he's
a super athletic guy, but I just wish it showed up in more
efficiency in terms of like yards per out run or like I
think his longest catch this year was 30 yards.
Like I I know that that's that's a pretty far away to go for a
tight end, but for a guy who runs like a four three or
whatever, he he's not. He doesn't look like the he he
didn't. It doesn't translate the same
way that you'd want it to. Like there's some Mike Gaseki
going on. Oh, that's really good.
Yeah, yeah, Gaseki is a really good comp.
Ryan, I I want to say Sadiq is kind of consensus number six,
like after Love, after the three wide receivers, after Mendoza's,
is that where you have him or are you spicier in either
direction? I have him at 7:00.
I have him also below KC Concepcion.
The thing with Sadiq is I won't be as extreme as some people.
I I don't need the production to be amazing.
He's younger than all these other tight ends were comparing
him to. The athleticism at least does
show up in the missed tackles forced statistics.
He's 4th all time among ground one tight ends and missed
tackles forced per game. That's with like Brock Bowers,
David and Joku, Tyler Warren, so a decent list of names.
All of his other production stuff comps very clearly to Noah
fan. So what I think like my
realistic comp is David and Joku with better draft capital.
That's not necessarily like a star fantasy tight end for most
of his career, but I think he'll be like a useful player in the
league that isn't like setting a first round dynasty rookie pick
on fire. So that's kind of the only way
he gets the 1:07 for me just cuz I don't want to rank anyone else
at 107 ultimately. But yeah, I'm I'm glad that
someone else is higher on Sadiq than me because I was a little
afraid I'd have to defend him. Like really like really fiercely
on the show. And I and I just hate being in
that position. I much prefer the NIT peeking
Sadiq position. Yeah, Jacob, anything else to to
add there? Not particularly.
I think it's been covered. Yeah, I have him seven, same as
Ryan. I think it's I think he's a
fascinating player. I think the fun part that you
get with Sadiq and why he'd be my 10 and one over stours is
just I think you do have the two paths.
Like he can either refine himself as a route runner and be
more that flex tight end, or he can potentially add some weight
since he's only 21 and he's a pretty physical guy and maybe he
can become that in line tight end.
Right now to me, he strikes me as a tweener and I'm I'm pretty
scared of the floor, but the ceiling is huge.
All right, Blair keeping it spicy as usual, we go.
Jeremiah, Love and then Sadiq to start off.
We will see who's picking at 3 here.
Looks like it's going to be Ron. Ron is on the clock at 103 here.
Awesome. I'm going to go Carnell Tate.
He is my wide receiver 1. He is my 1:02.
I guess it it it kind of sucks. We're we're in AI.
Don't know if you want to call it like the modern dynasty
landscape. I think four years ago Tyson
would have been the wide receiver one pre draft.
But yeah, I just like Tate. I I think his freshman year,
like he he at least popped a little bit in a stacked Ohio
State wide receiver room. I think he has over 3 yards per
outrun on his entire career, like high twos.
He's efficient. His year 2 and year three are
like perfectly fine in terms of receiving yards per team pass
attempt, including the fact that you play next to Jeremiah Smith,
Marvin Harrison junior as a freshman and Mecca Buka.
And I'm sure that there's guys in this wide receiver room we'll
talk about in two or three years that haven't popped, whether
that's like Brandon Innis or Milan Graham or Graham.
So I I like Cardinal Tate. He seems like the NFL really
likes him too, as like a top ten guy.
You're seeing him. The Jets might trade up from 16,
maybe, you know, maybe the 16th. It doesn't even happen.
We get Cardinal Tate. That would kind of have to.
Have selected him at the one O 3.
No, but in real life I would be happy in real life.
In real life I'd be stoked. I I would be stoked about that.
But he looks awesome. I I think genuinely like where a
conversation starts is I think he is as good, if not better
than like Tedoro McMillan as a prospect.
Like I think that he is that good top ten, really strong
outside receiver production. Like if Tedoro McMillan played
on Ohio State, I think that they would look very similar.
I guess one question I'd have for all of you guys.
How much is landing spot for these top three going to shuffle
them or does 1 profile rise? Above the one of them, one of
them could be a Cleveland Brown, and one of them could be a
Kansas City Chief and I'll. That's what I'll be.
I'll give away a hint that would personally change my rankings.
It wasn't a chief, and one of them was a Brown.
You'd prefer the guy on the Browns, right?
What? What?
Like, I guess so if Cardinal Tate gets selected by the Browns
at six, if someone wants to take the Tape Bowl case here, what
are you realistically hoping happens for him as a member of
the Cleveland? Browns I don't think the Browns
is anywhere close to the worst landing spot.
This is maybe a hot take, but I think you could do way worse
than the Browns. Like I would rather the Browns
than the Dolphins. I'd rather the Browns than The
Jets. Like you could, you could do
worse. If you're if you get drafted by
the Browns, you're instantly the wide receiver one right?
You're you're passing Jerry Judy the second you walk on the
practice field. And I, I do think like they at
the very least, like both Watson and Sanders have functioned as
like high drop back volume players either in in college or
a little bit towards at times last year.
And then Watson, you know, throughout most of his career.
So I think it's going to be inefficient and there's going to
be a lot of sacks and scrambles and it's going to be kind of
gross. But I do think you'll get some
drop back volume, whereas Miami's like the same deal.
You're you're the no question wide receiver one, but on like
370 drop backs potentially all season.
So I'll take Cleveland out of those two.
And either way, you're just hoping for a new quarterback in
in 2026 or 2027. So I don't think it's the stone
worst landing spot, but I do think the market will treat it
that way. I agree on your overall point
though. Like I think the top three wide
receivers were so close that I I like wrote a whole intro with
one planned wide receiver one and then I did the profiles and
then I changed my intro and like put someone else at the top.
So if someone goes to the Chiefs, they'll certainly be my
wide receiver one. Blair, I mean Mr. Rotoviz built
on the backs of rookie wide receivers and you discarded all
of them to the side quickly for Sadiq.
Is Tate still your your first of those guys or would you have a
different one? Tate is my wide receiver one,
but I so you know, I'll preface what I'm going to say next with
that. He's my wide receiver one, but I
think there are a lot of red flags with his profile, not only
in terms of kind of the production from a market share
perspective wasn't quite where we wanted to be.
The bigger thing that I'm starting to look at a lot more
is a lot of the after tackle or after after first contact, after
contact metrics. And that's something where, for
instance, Marvin Harrison didn't look good.
And one of the reasons that he, you know, you might have faded
him for that reason. And Tate is a little bit better
than Harrison actually, but basically just as bad.
So yeah, it's a small thing. Tate is the only one of these
top guys who I think is going to still be 21 at the end of his
rookie season, which is big. And you got.
I I might have missed the article, apologize if I had, But
will you expand a little bit on that after tackle stuff?
Is this like another one of those old school, you know, the,
the punt return game production kind of a, a sneaky thing that
might not be baked into draft capital or whatever?
Yeah. I can't point to a specific
article yet, maybe I'll have one coming up soon.
But yeah, basically it's a way probably a way to get at some
athleticism that the some on field athleticism that the
combine doesn't quite account for.
And we've just seen a few cases of really high profile guys in
the past who have pretty poor after contact yardage
specifically, like, you know, catch the ball, they get hit and
fall down immediately. Yeah.
And that profile doesn't always translate.
So yeah, Harrison's one of those guys.
Quentin Johnson wasn't one of those guys, although he had
other red flags. But like, there have just been a
few of these. I I really like that because
it's kind of a way to measure dog and like how much of your
production was based off of getting schemed open or just
playing against, you know, future plumbers?
You know, how much of it was your quarterback being able to
find? I'd never really thought about
that before, but it it actually makes quite a bit of sense and
not at all surprising that Marvin Harrison Junior and
Carnell Tate would would maybe not be that good at at those
things. Ryan, any any Tate thoughts?
Yeah, I, I think I like Tate probably more than your average
like data type of guy. Similarly to what Jacob said,
all three of these top three wide receivers are so close for
me that I, I'm being very transparent and that yeah, my
rankings are going to change after the draft based on landing
spot. I don't usually like to do that
with wide receivers, but they're all very close on the after
contact and after catch stuff. For Tate in particular, that
wasn't as big of a deal to me. And I, I can ask just what you
guys kind of think of this because it was also really bad
for Crystal Lava. It was also really bad for
Garrett Wilson. We've just kind of seen this
with these outside receivers coming from Ohio State over the
last few years. And that to me kind of says
maybe this is more to do with like the deployment, how they're
used. It wasn't the same for a Mecca
Ibuca, for JSN, for the guys that were playing in the slot.
We know that after catch production is related to average
depth of target to whether you're inside or on the outside.
So it it was like a very minor thing in Tate's profile for me.
He's not ultimately my wide receiver one.
I like a different guy. But yeah, it wasn't like a huge
red flag for me. All right, let's spin here and
see who is going to be that next wide receiver off the board, but
certainly sounds like Tate could easily get bumped from one O 3
for most people depending on how it goes, and Davis is back on
the clock with two top 4 picks here.
Yeah, I mean, this honestly, to me is like kind of a Sophie's
Choice because I want to rank Tate 3 amongst my wide
receivers. I just find his.
Fry of them. I just find his profile to be
underwhelming for some real reasons and then also like fake
reasons of like he was never the real wide receiver one on his
team which can be explained. Away.
Yeah, I, I know there are there are real reasons too.
And then there are reasons that are like more inflammatory and
are better to get people mad on Internet content.
I ultimately I'm, I'm gonna pivot a little bit here.
I'm gonna go Tyson actually over Mackay Lemon.
I'm gonna go Jordan, Tyson, the, I mean, the modeling that I did.
Is it 'cause he keeps getting mocked to the Chiefs?
I think I think they're honestly, I think Tyson and
Lemon are both equally likely to go to Kansas City.
I I think both of them fit a profile of what Veitch has shown
that he likes. I I don't I don't Tate honestly,
of the three seems the least cheap see in in terms of wide
receiver. So in my modeling, Tyson, even
with the disparate draft capital, actually showed up as
the number one guy in this class because of the crazy early
season or crazy early career production.
And I am basically, and maybe this will be a bad opinion, I'm
not really persuaded by the injury stuff.
Torn ACLMCLPCL. But then he came back and
played. Then he broke his collarbone.
Then he injured his hamstring. These are just normal injuries
that could happen to anyone. This is not like, oh, he tore
the same knee three times or he he broke his wrist and then he
broke his wrist again. And now he plays with a big
bulky brace on his wrist that might limit his ability to
generate catchers in traffic. Like it just kind of feels like
bad luck and that just happens and frankly, I can think of
other hamstring injuries that have limited wide receiver
prospects in the draft process before and it totally ended up
being a non factored at this stage.
Do we even remember that Jackson Smith the jig but did not play
his junior season. Does anyone does it?
Is that does that ever enter into the conversation that he
just said I'm out, I'm not playing.
I don't care like I'm good. I'm I'm going to get I'm going
to get drafted. So Tyson for me is, is right now
my wide receiver one and I'm I'm taking him here.
Ron, how do you rank these three wide receivers?
I have Tyson too. I do have Tate pretty firmly one
but I like Tyson as well. I'll I'll say to Davis's point
of the no show as a senior only makes like it only doesn't make
sense because he could have just declared after his junior year
like JSN 3 years and then he was gone.
He had. The broken.
Clavicle. He broke his collarbone the year
before. But if JSN had like hamstring
issues and then he went, you don't think he could have got
like second round capital after? Junior well, I think he could
have gotten second round capital, but I think that the I
think the broken so he broke his collarbone in the Big 12
championship game against Iowa State for for less for you more
for the audience. If people aren't up on the Tyson
medicals, I think he probably would have declared as my guess.
But with that happening so close to the end of the season, I I
think he would have probably Hanford his ability to train for
the combine to work out and so so like it's pretty reasonable
possibility would have fallen from round one to Round 2 and
was. Also a better.
Class come back. Last year, right just.
Like it was overall class and also the team looked like it was
gonna be good. Like they lost, yeah, scattaboo.
But they get Levitt back, Tyson comes back.
They just made the playoff. I think the hope was like, OK,
you know, that sucks. I'll come back.
We're gonna be another, we're gonna win the Big 12 again and
then I'll be a first round pick. And the first part of that
didn't work cuz Levitt gets hurt and Tyson gets hurt.
But I I think he probably would have been a pretty high draft
pick. He also, so he also got a huge
paycheck from Adidas as as part of like NIL.
So like he was sure he's giving up some money, but it's not
like, oh, if you know, if things go poorly for me, I'm broke.
It's like, no, he like the nil does kind of change the early.
I mean, we're seeing it a lot with running backs, but it does
change the calculus for these guys on leaving or staying when
it's, when it's that close. I, I think.
And, and he got, I mean, I can't find an exact number, but I
would assume signing an NIL deal with Adidas means 5,000,006
million, something like that, in addition to whatever the Arizona
State boosters are paying. And that was a big conversation
was Arizona State. The reason why they kind of rose
to prominence out of nowhere was what's their coach's name?
Dillingham. Dillingham, he brought in, he
brought in a ton of nil money when when he came.
So I I think that definitely relates to the Tyson stuff.
Yeah, that's fair. I kind of was shaky on the
timing there in terms because he didn't coach the same way that
JSN did, but he he at least did something in his final year.
He tried, he just screwed up his hamstring and then he missed
about a month and then he came back and he reaggravated it and
like probably shouldn't have came back honestly, But I I love
Tyson. Hence I'm doing like Tyson legal
defense over here. He's he's my wide receiver one.
He'd do my 1:02. And I think he, he just to me
has like very decisively the best production profile in the
Class A career average of a 31% targets per run, which is
preposterous. Has the best freshman production
out of any of the top three, has the best peak season, 3.42 yards
per team pass attempt in that third year.
If you want to pick nits, I think there's like 2 or maybe
three things that I, I see, you know, one I see numerically is,
is he has yak concerns similarly to Cardinal Tate.
And I think that's a a legitimate concern.
But like, I think he's similar in play style, bigger but
similar in play style to like a Devonta Smith crystalave where
he's going to be a slot flanker. I think you can live with a lack
of yak juice there. The the film concerns that I
keep hearing one I care about and one I've just decided to not
one is like, OK, he has some issues beating press coverage.
I I care about that. I think that means you probably
care a little bit more about where he plays.
You don't want him playing at Axe.
The other thing is that people are saying there's too much
sauce on his routes, you know, and that's a, that's a complaint
that exists. It applies to like a Garrett
Wilson, a DJ Moore and other people.
But that is not the kind of complaint that's going to get me
off of a really elite production profile.
Like I haven't heard from anyone and I haven't seen on tape any
reason to suggest that he can't separate.
Like, it's like we're dealing with a Nikhil Harry here.
We're dealing with, you know, a player who has some separation
skills that maybe could use some refinement.
I think that's something that either gets coached out or
something that you just live with.
And I, I just struggle to see an argument for why I would sort of
push away what to me at least is, is pretty clearly the most
impressive production profile. So I'm I'm pretty huge on on
Tyson. All right, let's spin the wheel
here and I'll be interested to see if we have a a consensus at
one O 5 or if anyone wants to break ranks.
But we're going to keep rolling here with Jacob's thoughts on
the wide receiver class potentially or a little Mendoza
here. Yeah, it's an easy pick for me.
So I have I have the three receivers in the same tier and
two of them are gone. So I get my wide receiver 2IN
the class is the remaining one, which is Makai Lemon out of USCI
have all the wide receivers in a tier clear of Mendoza.
Personally, I just think that the ceiling that you're getting
on a non rushing quarterback that I'm not totally in love
with is not as likely to manifest in different speaking
production early in your career as you're going to get with the
receivers or potentially with one of the tight ends.
So yeah, easy choice for me to go with Lemonier.
I think he has the most impressive per route profile of
the top three. The overall volume profile is a
little bit underwhelming, but I I think he fits the fantasy game
particularly well. And and that's why I give him
the slight nudge over Tate. Like, I think Tate's a little
bit stronger of a prospect in a vacuum.
He's who I would take if I was running an NFL team.
But I do get concerned that the the line between like the George
Pickens, T Higgins archetype, it's been really successful.
Those both line up in high volume spots with really strong
quarterbacks. What if Tate is either in a
slightly worse situation than that as this vertical X receiver
or is just a little bit less effective?
Like what if he's just Roma Doomsay?
What if he's, you know, Marvin Harrison junior and you're just
struggling to get the fantasy value relative to the NFL
capital? I think Lemon is just safer
because he's just going to be able to consistently crank out
that intermediate production. Ryan, based on how these picks
have gone, you and I are the ones who just always win this
league. We always have the late picks.
So, so don't worry about it. Is is this the the three you
said you were highest on? Tate, is this your order as
well? I'm actually highest on Tyson.
So my order is Tyson, then Tate, then Mackay, Lemon.
As I said, I like all three. The reason that I'm the lowest
on Lemon is I guess twofold. 1 is that I I think Tate doesn't
get quite enough credit for the just the target competition
angle. If we're talking per route, he
was at over 3 yards per hour run playing next to Jeremiah Smith
for comparison to Mecca Buca when he was two years older was
down at 2.5 I believe somewhere in that range.
So I give Tate a lot of per route credit for this past
season. And also with Lemon.
It's just, and this is really tricky pre draft before we know
what team he's on. How much this ultimately
matters, but just these prospects that project much more
as like slot only receivers. Yes, it can be fantasy friendly,
but there's not always going to be a good NFL fit there.
If he goes to a team that's just going to live in 11 personnel,
then I'm not going to care about this at all.
But you also kind of have the issue in college.
Slot production is just more variant.
It's hard. It just should lower your
confidence of any guys production profile when he's
having 42% of his career receiving yards on screens and
slot fades. Other round one guys that are
around that area for that lemon is are Jalen Waddle, Cadarius,
Tony Jordan, Addison, Jameson Williams, trail on Burks, Jerry
Judy. Like it's very much a mixed bag.
You can't always take that production at face value for a
player like Lemon. That said, I fully agree with
all the pro arguments that Jacob laid out.
This is just me nitpicking figuring out who's going to be
wide receiver 123. That's where I end up on Lemon
right now. Ron, you mentioned before like
liking Tate a little bit more than, say, Ted Arroyo.
Like, how do these three stack up for you with just, you know,
I don't know, past five years, these round one wide receivers
who have all gone, you know, top 15.
I think that I'm a little bit different from consensus where I
would put Tate up there with like Ted Arroyo McMillan as like
as like a fringe top ten guy that I think is very strong.
And then I would probably put Tyson and Makai Lemon more
towards your like mid to late NFL first round pick, you know,
kind of like I would say like slightly better than like Jordan
Madison, like strong, you know, fine receivers.
But that's just because I really like Tate, if I'm being honest.
And I think Ryan brought up a good point that I was honestly
curious here because I know that JJ Zach Reese has done a lot of
work on kind of like the slot receiver going away this year.
Obviously, like JSN was just an absolute monster as like a slot
dominant guy. But I think like close secure
Josh Downs. I'm not saying that that's
Mikhail Lemon, his base outcome, but it's definitely something
that you think about with somebody who's a slot dominant
player in terms of like their downside.
I just don't think that any team is going to take.
I mean, he's going to go. If he fell in the draft, I would
change my ranking, but the expectation is he's going to go
in the midfirst. I don't think any team is taking
him in the midfirst to play him on 70% of the roads.
I just don't think that that's particularly likely unless he's
just a bust, which it doesn't matter anyway.
But I don't, I don't, I don't see a scenario where he's
effective as an NFL player. A-Team takes him that highly and
that's the plan is to use him in that limited of a fashion.
So I expect him to play the slot re receiver sets and flanker and
two wide receiver sets. Blair, what would you with these
three? I guess you could go 1 by 1.
Would you take one of these guys or would you take Ted Arroyo
like straight up, I guess getting like the re roll on on
the rookie? Yeah, that's a good question.
I recently published a thing on the Phenom index, which is a
thing that John Moore did years ago.
I wrote of his and looking at this class basically a way to
account for age adjusted production.
But this class in particular is way weaker than even last year.
Like Macmillan is ahead of Tate in that metric.
And I think obviously that's not the only way to look at it.
It's kind of just one number. But you know, when you're
evaluating or when I'm evaluating this class, I'm
trying to compare them against each other.
I'm like, well, OK, yeah, Tate's probably better than Tyson, but
there are a lot of, there are a lot of kind of red flags to be
aware of with all these guys. So I might have McMillan ahead
of all three, but it's close, yeah.
Yep, Davis, any final thoughts on on these three?
Would you entertain a Mendoza over any of them?
Are they all a lock free over Mendoza?
No, I mean it would it would obviously depend on your league
situation. Like if like, oh, I actually
have a pretty good team, but I just have run bad at
quarterbacks and I just kind of need a 14.7 fantasy points per
game quarterback in a superflex league.
I would do that. I mean, I can I can say a skin
in the game answer, which is I'm in a league that I had the 1:05
I was the champion last year, had the 105 via another trade
and I told the league no freaking way am I making this
pick. I'm shipping it for veteran
points immediately and woke up this morning to a shiny new Aman
Raj St. Brown with the 1:05 and the 2027
first. So I, I just, I, I basically my,
my carte blanche answer for picks this year is if my team is
anywhere from the 1st to the 5th best team in the league, they're
they're out the door, they're gone.
I'm not making the pick. I'm I'm going to get someone
who's old and good and going to get me fantasy points.
I like this top three I think more than than some.
I like the fourth guy too but I I would take tat over.
I I like him just fine. Both both as a prospect and then
more importantly, just we've seen proof of concept that
Tetaro McMillan is actually good, right?
I mean, maybe it's not the 98th percentile outcome, but it's
certainly, I think like in a 70th to 80th to 85th percentile
rookie season from him. So yeah, I would take him over
anyone in this class except Love.
All right, we will spin again. Here we go.
Jeremiah Love, Blair goes rogue early, Kenyan Siddique.
And then we get the three wide receivers off the board, Carnell
Tate, Jordan Tyson and Makai Lemon.
And Ron is back on the clock here.
I mean, his Jets would kill for Fernando Mendoza, but would,
would, would Ron kill? I was, I was literally just
thinking that it's like how appropriate that Ron gets to
pick Fernando Mendoza. I would do sick things for
Fernando Mendoza. I I would debate pinkies.
I would because that's really where that that's where it all
comes with Mendoza is for fantasy or like, like Mendoza,
whatever. And then there's also a certain,
there's almost like the college football Twitter verse that's
like, oh, this is a weak Heisman.
Like Mendoza sucks. I think the kid was awesome this
year. Like he he genuinely played
amazing. There were games where Indiana
blow teams out and didn't really have to rely on him to throw or
whatever. I also think, look, I'm not I'm
not in rooms with him. I have never interviewed
Mendoza, but I think that he like, I think he leaves, you
know, combine interview rooms and like everybody lights up.
Like just the way that the guy talks, you see him, you know,
he's like, I think he said like we're flipping national
champions. Like I, I do just love the
intangibles with the Mendoza. I know that this is like so far
outside the spreadsheet realm that a lot of us are operating
in, but he does just like if someone was going to come to The
Jets and turn them around, it would be Mendoza.
I think you could do that for the Raiders.
Like from a real life standpoint, I think that he is a
really strong first overall pick, a really good player.
I don't know what that looks like with Kubiak.
I don't know what that looks like in a Raiders uniform with
Trey Tucker as like his outside receiver.
I know Brock Bowers is there and everything.
So yeah, it's tough because when we're playing dynasty,
especially in like a four point passing touchdown league, you
can just get Jared Gofford cheaper and he could score the
same amount of points, probably more points over the next, you
know, four years. So it becomes a really tough
dichotomy of like. What's the point of really ever
pressing the draft button on Mendoza?
But we have seen the CJ Stroud thing.
We've seen the Justin, it's like, I know Justin Herbert's a
freak athlete, whatever, but he chose not to run for a good
portion of his career where that could be the case.
Maybe he throws 25 touchdowns. He he blows everyone's socks off
and then is a first, you know, 1-2 turn startup pick.
And that's that's in his range of outcomes.
So it's more a value play than really anything else.
And I and I guess there's some safety there where we see with
Kim Ward, like his, I think he was like the QB 16 when he was
drafted and he's the QB 16 today in dynasty.
Like these guys just don't really lose value unless if they
are like, holy shit, this guy sucks like a like a Zach Wilson.
I don't think that's really in his range.
And I do think this one's tricky because like Davis said, like
this kind of pick often comes down to to team needs.
But I guess the question is, are there any of you who would just
take KC Concepcione or another wide receiver whoever in this
spot and just say I? I'm not dealing with Mendoza.
Team needs be damned. Not pre draft but I think I said
in my rookie rankings the other day that there's a higher chance
I have Concepcion ranked ahead of Mendoza post draft than
Mendoza ranked ahead of one of the other 3.
Do you, do you guys care at all that this is like not gonna be
reflective of the market when you do your rankings?
Like Mendoza's ADP across all like money leagues is gonna be
like 1.27. I don't care because we've been
doing this for years where like these quarterbacks come in that
I think are egregiously overdrafted and every year I've
had like the same 4 paragraph rant about why I think that
they're terrible picks at ADP and the market doesn't change.
But I, I just, I'm not participating in it.
I. Think it depends on the league.
I mean, Jacob plays in a lot of expert leagues.
I'm not participating in the market is so is such a good
honestly, it's a great tagline for this show just in general,
just like we we're actively choosing not to participate in
it. I don't know, like am I that
upset that I missed out on drafting Bryce Young?
Like am I that sad that I that I skipped out on Cam Ward?
Like, I'm pretty content actually, honestly.
You, you probably like over the long term.
You. You probably are because you
probably draft a lot of shitty wide receivers instead of like
Daniel Jones and shit. Like, no, I don't I the the the,
the return on investment. Like there's a there's a theory
that the floor on these quarterbacks is high.
I think that's just dead wrong. Like Cam Ward was terrible last
year. I think he's going to bust out
of the NFL before the end of his first contract.
We'll see, but he certainly hasn't been a great pick so far.
Provided 0 fantasy value last year.
The previous year we had who who is the 2024 crew.
So that's a really good quarterback here.
I was in on the guys that run like Caleb May Daniels.
That's a different category of group.
And then the guys are cheaper. So it's not really as great of a
fit because the other guys go late.
But like the young Stroud, like Stroud, huge hit if you got him
and then sold him. Not a huge hit if you got him
and kept them young. Just bad kind of all around.
You know, look at the guys that were going around like you could
have Jimmy or Gibbs, you could have had JSN, you could have had
Brock Bowers. Like it's just our that's 24
year, whatever. You go back further.
It's like there was the year where we had Lawrence, which has
eventually come around. But like fields Lance again, I
think it's more worth taking a shot on the runners.
But like those picks were disasters.
Zach Wilson super disaster. So like I, I don't know, I, I
just don't think that the floor is that high.
I think the ceiling is high on quarterbacks.
So if you want to talk me into, you know, a runner and you're
saying, Hey, I might, this might not work out, but this is a
chance to be a first round start up pick.
I, I can hear that argument. I, I just really struggle with
the argument of like, we're drafting pocket passing rookie
quarterbacks for floor. Cuz to me if if that's what
you're doing, just trade the pick for Jared Goff.
I'm not, I'm not, I'm not disagreeing with you.
I'm, I'm, I'm just saying that in general, I, I do think, I
think the thing, well, Ron's accusing me of being out of
touch, I think. You're out of touch.
I don't think it's going to be. I don't think he'll be one O 2
in a majority of leagues. Well, I get maybe I am out of
touch. I.
Think like the FFPC boomer 1 sure, but I'm like sleeper all
of the you know on it like flocking everybody, the guys who
are kind of. Hey, hey, be careful.
What you I'm? Saying I'm saying boss that.
Way of the. ADP.
I'm saying the cabal of the ADP. So none of those.
Guys have Mendoza one O 2 besides.
Anti cabal. So I'm saying I'll give you the
evidence. Influence everything.
I'll give you the evidence from a league I'm in right now.
First round of a league with Barry Graham, Barfield, Danny
Kelly, bunch of the bunch of the bunch of industry people.
The draft went love, then Graham took Tate which is hilarious cuz
Graham's team is terrible. So I think he just was I think
he's just like I need anything. And then Mendoza went ahead of
Lemon, Tyson, Concepcion and. One it's pre.
Draft and two, it's like like super niche for what we do.
Like experts. Like, I think in your normal
sleeper league, people aren't gonna be crazy about Mendoza
people. Kind of hate Mendoza.
OK, OK, OK. Ryan, how about this?
Kyle's asking, can we talk about the Mendoza ceiling?
Like what are we looking at? What are you dreaming on if you
do pull the trigger on him at? 5 or earlier this is what I'll
answer the question and then I'll go back to the QB value
thing cuz I do have thoughts on that.
I don't think the Mendoza ceiling is that great, at least
in the short term, just because we we kind of just saw a
quarterback play really well in a Clint Kubiak offense.
His name was Sam Darnold. They went and won a Super Bowl
and he was a mid range QB 2 for fantasy football.
Like the passing volume just wasn't there.
When you talk about the boroughs, the Dax, these are
guys that are finishing top three and drop backs every
single year. I just don't see that being like
what a Kubiak regime wants to set out and do.
So I don't think the value ceiling or the fantasy point
ceiling is really there. I will say I largely agree with
everything that Jacob just said about quarterback value in
Dynasty Superflex. I do think that the more boomer
your league, the less liquid quarterbacks actually are, the
harder it is to trade for quarterbacks.
I'm in a few of these boomer leagues.
You cannot trade for a freaking quarterback.
Sometimes you are going to be forced to sit there at the 103
and hit that button. I never want to do it, but I, I
can understand it. I will never be ranking Mendoza
above Tate, Tyson or Lemon. I, I think basically no matter
what happens on draft night, that that's how I view his value
and everything. But I, I do get it if you're
just completely, all sides are blocked around you.
Nobody's trading quarterbacks no matter what.
I would understand it if you're just kind of forced to make that
pick. Your team has no quarterbacks.
It's a corollary though, to what Ryan said, which I agree with.
Like it's really hard to trade for a quarterback when you don't
have one. I also think it's pretty hard to
trade away a quarterback when you don't need one.
Like most teams in your dynasty league have exactly the amount
of quarterbacks that they want and they don't want to trade 1
of theirs away and they don't want to trade for one of yours.
Like they they're content to have their two and then a crappy
3rd and they're good with it. And like I've had teams like my
like home league team I have like I have Josh Allen, Drake
May, Trevor Lawrence, and I've had Geno Smith as my 4th
quarterback for like 3 years and I've just been begging like will
anyone trade me like a third round pick for Geno Smith Like
I'm never going to. Start get in the league with me
buddy. I love to buy these dudes and
it's like. I just, I literally just dropped
them. I just had to drop them.
Like I now have Malik Willis who's been sitting on my bench
and now it's like I have like a curse of like another
theoretical asset just sitting there collecting dust.
So I, I, I, if you, if you're in the spot where Ryan said and you
do need the quarterback, like sure, take Mendoz.
I, I just, I often hear people be like that don't need
quarterbacks, like I'll just take the quarterback and then I
have a trade ship. It's like, I don't, I don't know
that you do. If, if you're experiencing your
league is that you do go for it. But I don't know how many
because you're, you're really reducing the market because
every team in your league probably has some theoretical
need for running backs or receivers, but there's probably
only one or two teams in your league that really has a need
for a quarterback. And so it's a little harder to
trade. Yeah, I, I also think like as
probably the most casual dynasty player here of the panel,
there's also the element of, you know, you often talk about how
well some of these guys hold value.
And if you time the window perfectly even after a so so
year one, and then you can dump him for equal value.
Like if you know you're not going to be an active dynasty
manager too, that might even impact like how willing you are
to play the hot potato games with some of these assets as
opposed to a wide receiver whose value you know, might be able to
accrue over a longer timeline and not acquire you playing the
the trade market. But Blair, do you have any, any
thoughts on Mendoza before we move on?
Nothing really to add except I probably am even less, probably
less in the camp that team needs should dictate what you do then
then everyone else. I basically think if you don't
have Mendoza ranked above any of these guys or even some of the
guys who are coming after who we haven't picked yet, even if you
need a quarterback, I'm not sure it makes sense to take him just
to fill that positional spot. I think there are other ways to
address that that might help your team more in the long run.
Yeah, and especially because like, you know, depending on
your league settings, I, I know even in my super flex leagues,
like you'll occasionally be able to get the guy on the waivers
who's getting the spot start, who pops up.
You know, Davis mentioned or one of you guys mentioned like the
Jared Goff, the like boring veteran stuff.
Like if the ceiling of Fernando Mendoza doesn't exceed those
types that are kind of available in a lot of leagues or that type
of production that team need can be addressed.
And you're probably just making a hasty decision to feel a
little more comforted in the moment when you could probably
replace that production on the cheap later.
I think Kyle raised a a really reasonable question, which is he
was saying he's not following why he's not that far off of the
luck. Burrow T lies closer to that
than a young Cam. I mean Burrow.
I would extricate from that group because he he doesn't run
as much as the other two. Burrow his he's a Unicorn really
in in a dynasty world where I think he's getting there from
just being the best passer in the NFL.
He runs, I don't think. He's at his peak.
He runs a little, but like very little.
Mendoza's never had a 10% rushing yards market share.
It's a 2.9% clean pocket scramble rate.
So this this just doesn't profile the way that.
People, people, just remember the one.
Rush Profile. He did have a College Football
Playoff. Game, the championship game, it
was damn good. Like he he is relatively mobile
and he is big. So yeah, maybe you get some goal
line stuff, but he just has never shown the proclivity to
run in college, and that tends to be pretty darn sticky coming
into the NFL. So if you want to buy that he's
going to run more in the NFLI mean, feel free.
I can't tell you it's not going to happen.
I just think it's statistically unlikely to happen when you have
a guy who has such a limited rushing profile in college.
We're going to pick up the pace here a little bit, which should
be easy because stuff starts to get a lot less interesting as we
head further down here. Ryan and I will continue to stay
sidelined here and Ron, much like his Jets, will continue to
stay on the clock. Yeah, and if they took this guy
at 16, I'm sure you guys would love it too.
I'll take Casey Concepcion. I like him because I think that
he's one of these guys that's up in the air, whether he's an
analytics or film guy, because film guys seem to love him and
then they're like, oh, what the spreadsheets take.
Concepcion because he has a low, he has like a high drop rate.
And it's like that's not what we're looking at.
His freshman year. Awesome.
His second year is kind of like so so he goes to Texas A&M,
still commands a good chunk of that offense.
He doesn't have the same, you know, Tyson has a monster peak
and Makai Lemon's year 3 is awesome.
Concepcion, if you want to age adjust, you could call that his
freshman season, but he's just solid overall.
And these film guys like level, like I know the underdog guys,
Josh Norris, Wings. I have like wide receiver two.
I'm not saying that I have this smile.
Receiver 2. Dog, I would Blair.
I bet he looks good in your dog rankings.
In. The in the mid tackles force and
yak stuff. Yeah, miss cycles force.
He also I I think like I don't have the stats off hand, but I I
want to say his freshman year he might have had like 40 carries
like 100 like somewhere between 40 to 100.
He did he which I know JJ Zach Griesen has in his model.
That's it's not like, oh, if you rush for 1000 yards, that's
awesome, but it's like. I've got a little bit, I've got
it in mind and it boosts him up a good bit.
Yeah, so it's just like, get this guy the ball in space while
he he started at NC State and it's just like, all right, this
guy's the best player here. Like just give him the ball over
and over again. When you look at reception
perception, like 92nd percentile versus man, 81st zone, 87
percentile versus press, if that's your kind of thing.
The film guys love him. I think the numbers look really
good as well. Like he he's a very strong he he
to me, he's closer to the top three than he is the next tier
of guys. He's really good.
If you wanted to have him over Mendoza, you absolutely could.
Is for Is there anyone here who wouldn't have taken Casey
Concepcion at this pic Blair. Everyone else is shaking their
head. And that, Mister Kenyon Siddiq
at too, is like. Well, well, yeah, we'll get to
the guy that I might. Consider.
All right, let's spin. Then it seems like a a fairly
uncontroversial spot, especially cuz he's gonna probably go back
into round one to a team with a decent quarterback.
We're gonna find out what guy he was gonna.
Be here we go. Well, part of the reason I
didn't wanna say is because if I'm, if I'm making my picks like
as if I'm constructing one team, then I've kind of painted myself
into a, into a corner here because I think the next guy is
Stowers. Yeah, let's go, let's go.
Do that. So let's don't don't play the
one team. You're 4 different players.
And four different universes. I'm I'm cornering the market on
tight ends also. Yeah, I mean Stours like almost
as athletic as Sadiq, maybe even more so I think.
And more productive, obviously. I think the one thing that Sadiq
has going for him, well among many, but Sadiq's quite a bit
younger than Stours. So that's probably the, you
know, if you have them ranked closely, that's a tiebreaker.
I have Sadiq quite a bit ahead of Sowers.
But yeah, I think you could make a case when I'm feeling
contrarian, I have Sowers ahead of Mendoza.
I think if you if you even if on a on a QB needy team, you can
make a case for Sowers up there. And then Blair, for you, is this
just like, you know, you're hunting for that massive
positional advantage at at tight end premium and you're just kind
of willing to take shots on these guys if they do end up
being one of those kind of top five year over year tight end
guys? Yeah.
So the fact that it's tight end premium isn't like that does
that is part of it. But I also think that both the
wide receiver and running back class of this year are pretty
weak. And so Deacon's towers have a
chance to be special players, so.
Go off, King. Davis, do you want to comment on
stars? You're high on him.
I, I mean, this guy is like built in a lab to be a guy I
would like. He's a converted quarterback.
You can easily excuse away his lack of early production because
he learned how to play tight end about 20-4 months ago as he
converted from quarterback to tight end in New Mexico State
with his buddy Diego Pavia. Then traveled with myself.
About that with RJ Harvey last year, by the way, it's a
dangerous Rd. Well then he then he wins the MF
and Mackey in his third full season ever playing tight end,
really like his second and a half because he was still was
doing some quarterback stuff in New Mexico State.
Then he goes to the combine blows away what anyone
anticipated and I think how you feel about this is the Rorschach
to if you are a stours guy or not.
Everyone agrees no team will draft him and ask him to block.
So either you say, OK, well that means best case he is Dalton
Kincaid, he'll never run more than 65% of the routes.
He'll never, you know, be like a 13 fantasy points per game tight
end, so what's the point? Or you say no team will ever ask
him to block, but they might spend a first round pick on him
anyways. That means they have a vision.
That means they're going to commit to it.
He will actually basically be, what if Mike Gasicki ran 82% of
the routes? Wouldn't that be fun?
And I'm telling myself that because it's such a shitty draft
class, because insiders keep telling us this is an awful
draft note. Like everyone's bad.
Every position, there's like 6 good players in the whole draft.
Someone takes him in the first round and just says, you know
what? Let's, let's just see what this
guy's got. Let's just play him.
Let's just, let's just give this guy 112 targets.
And and I'm I'm fully committed to it.
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The intention was to bring you on to get to draft.
We have gotten some of your takes, but that pick is not
going to be now because Blair is going to break again.
We are going to be a slits in the.
Rankings. It'll be great.
I can't wait. OK.
Blair here you draft Jeremy Bernard.
No, this is going to be more more conventional.
I think I'm going Omar Cooper here.
OK. I believe, I believe I probably
have him a tear below, like there's a tear break ahead of
him, but I think he's kind of clearly the next guy.
I feel like the most interesting thing with Omar Cooper right now
and like vis A vis Casey Concepcion is you see him in a
lot of mocks now, like in the top 20.
The Jets are very popular spot for him.
And like if Casey Concepcion goes to the Bills or a fun team
at the end and Omar Cooper goes ahead of him though to The Jets,
like Casey's going ahead of him in every spot, right?
I guess the question is, if it's flipped and it's like Casey
concepcioned to The Jets and Omar Cooper, like, does that tip
the scales for anybody? Cooper's a Jet.
I, I, I, I don't make your stream.
I, I March down to one Jets drive and handle things myself
like that. Just the 16th overall.
Omar Cooper can't happen. I just want that.
I just want that on the record. January 6th has nothing on April
24th when Ron Stewart marches lunches.
I will. I will knock on the door.
Yeah, you guys, you guys. Gonna bring a whole new meaning
to a 24. Yeah, yeah, yeah, OK.
Yeah, idiot. Any other takes on on Omar
Cooper? Definitely getting a ton of
steam. Trade, trade this.
Hold on, hold on. Cooper's ceiling, I didn't touch
that. I can't.
I can't with Matthew Gold.
I thought we were done. No, I'm not remotely sold on
Coopers floor at all. I think if you Fast forward two
years and he's been cut from his NFL team, like I wouldn't be
surprised, but I'm getting more sold on his ceiling because the
there's nothing really of substance to the profile
holistically until you're 4. But the pro profile is pretty
solid all the way along, even though he wasn't playing much in
year 2 or year three out of high school.
And then you add on top of that the really, really elite missed
tackles 4 stuff. It wouldn't be totally shocking
if there was like a. A Brandon Iuke hidden underneath
the whole time that just didn't get revealed until the 4th year.
So if you're telling me like 1 of him or Boston is a superstar,
I think it's clearly Cooper that has the higher ceiling and I
think he's worth a swing. I I just think that the floor is
really, really sketchy. All right, let's, let's keep
this rolling here. And man, this wheel is just
absolutely weighted against me and Ryan in just unbelievable
fashion. Keep talking, Ron.
I mean, I'm sick of hearing you talk, but just keep going.
Yeah, me too, man. I I do want to throw out there.
Omar Cooper had 10 catches, 207 yards and four touchdowns versus
Indiana State in A730 win. That's like that's the second
only his 2nd 100 yard game last year, which is just like, it's
just scary. I, I think Davis was alluding to
it of like, I don't know, Mark Cooper, if you watched Indiana,
he, he was like, maybe, I don't know, he was like maybe like
their third or fourth best receiving option in any given
play. Like I think like the young kid,
Charlie Becker was awesome too. That guy.
Really. I'm honestly just filibustering
because I've had my rankings down, I thought.
You played at Indiana State, Ron.
Wait a second, Larry Bird. Yeah, OK.
Well, you kind of ruined it, but that was the bet I was.
Going to I thought you were going to.
I thought you were going to say a football player.
That's my bet. No, no, that was the bet you
got. It Hey guy, real quick Rod, have
you done 4? Did I accidentally forget to
remove one of yours? Did you do T?
No, you just wrote down Cooper as Blair.
Or you wrote it as. Rod, I'll like Blair.
Phew. All right, you are back on the
on the clock though, Ron here for.
You, that was my final pick. I'll take I'll take Jadarian
price. I actually like Jadarian Price
more than I think other people do.
He took me in a class of just like a lot of mid and not a lot
of fun players. He's like he's just a mystery
box to me. Like sure, he doesn't really
catch passes, but I'd like to see him not I I don't know, I'd
like to. He's probably never going to be
a 50 plus catch guy, but I'd like to see him not in the back
to the Jeremiah love and just sort of see what he could be as
his own person. He like his his best comp by far
is Miles Sanders. Of course, we didn't get to see
the one year like with Saquon leaves.
We saw Miles Sanders do something, but he's fun.
It does suck he didn't test better, but he is this guy where
he leads the class and runs a 15 plus yard rate.
He also was like an awesome kick returner, if you care about that
kind of thing. I think that he averages like, I
don't know, I'm pulling, I'm pulling stats out of thin air
here because I don't have this pulled up, but I think that he
averaged like 35 yards per kick return, which.
He did. He had, I believe, 21 kick
returns at Notre Dame and three of them went for touchdowns.
Yeah. I mean, that's, that's awesome.
That's like we're talking if you want to talk like a weapon or
whatever. And I think honestly, the fact
that he he had like 670 rushing yards and I think like 12 or 13
touchdowns. He he was the reason Jeremiah
Love probably didn't win a Heisman this year.
Like he and I think that that means something that he kept him
off the field, like carved out his own role within this
offense. So I don't know.
I, I, I, I couldn't tell you what he could be, but I do think
a lot of the modeling stuff for his production based stuff is
it, it's just kind of you can throw your hands up in the air
and at 110 he's going to probably go second round.
That's, that's really good for running backs in terms of just
historical hit rates and you just, if you want to blindly
look at draft capital. So to me he's, he's just a fun
mystery box. You you turn in your late first
round pick in a dynasty rookie draft and you kind of hope for
the best. Does anyone have ARB two over
price? I I would be the only one that
does and we don't have to get. Into it.
I have boring. I have boring Jonah Coleman.
Yeah, I well, well, I'm assuming that no one else will want him.
So when we get to my pick in the second round, we'll we'll, we'll
go over this territory. OK, All right, you have you have
what, the founding father of America as your RB2?
Gosh. Damn right I do.
All right, I'm Canadian, so I don't endorse that kind of
thing. I am finally on the clock here
and I do feel like I've seen him in recent mock drafts kind of
slipping out around 1 when I feel like most of the thesis
with him is the draft capital. And I also have like rookie best
ball brain where I'm way more willing to take on the risk of
some of these guys. But I'm just going to pull the
trigger on Denzel Boston here. I'm going to hope, I'm going to
pray and I'll actually let any of you guys either say while
that why this is a donkey pick or the the right pick on the
board right here. Denzel Boston is Denzel Boston
is Pacific Northwest for Keon Coleman.
That's why I hope he goes to the Bills and just, you know, you
can do man, though. Right.
Coleman couldn't. OK, So you like him a little bit
more, Jacob? I like him a little.
He would have been who I would have picked here.
I don't like him, but like he would have been who I would have
picked here. Yeah, that's basically where I'm
at. For a while, I was keeping him
as my wide receiver 5 ahead of Cooper, just cuz I'm way more
willing to excuse away just the lack of an underclassmen
production profile when you're on like a competitive national
championship team behind Roma Dunes, a Jalen Polk, Jalen
McMillan, like all these day one and day 2 picks.
Makes sense to me that he didn't play at all really early in his
career. But yeah, I just there aren't
really any of the things you can point to like with Omar Cooper
of like the missed tackle force are amazing.
He could be like an analytical outlier.
Boston's profiles fine. It's not like awful, but yeah,
he's he's just the he's a very underwhelming just kind of late,
late round one wide receiver. If he falls around to I will
stop caring about him basically and he'll he'll he'll just go
wherever his draft capital does for me.
Any other Boston thoughts here? Should we keep it rolling?
Another pick to trade for Matthew Golden.
Jeez, OK, it happened. Our guest, Ryan Heath is finally
gonna get to make a pick here. Right when the picks get super
fun. You are on the clock at 112, Mr.
Heath. Awesome.
Yeah, so I'll, I'll get my guy that I have ranked at 1:12 here,
which is Jonah Coleman. I I really want Jonah Coleman to
be my RB2. The reason I can't is 'cause
there's a there's a non zero chance he falls to day three,
which is a great thing to say about a guy taking in round one
of a dynasty rookie draft. But the stats are genuinely
really good, really exciting. He's big, he can catch the ball
really well. The like worst downside comp you
can kind of get into just 'cause we don't have athletic testing
for him. Every film guy says he's slow is
like, what if he's Zach Moss where he was just a really
productive college player but kind of can't physically keep up
in the NFL? Like a team's not going to want
to just make him a lead runner. But out of anybody after
Jeremiah Love, this is the most like convincing 3 down profile
to me. The advance metrics are really
good. All the missed tackles for
stuff, just his on the ground efficiency against his teammates
at basically every stop along the way of his career was really
solid. So yeah, Coleman's really fun.
I've got him at 112 right now. Fingers crossed I don't have to
move him down. Fingers crossed I can move him
up. The draft capital cooperates.
But yeah, that's where I'm at with him.
Any other Jonah Coleman thoughts from the.
P He goes day 2. Is he overpriced for you guys?
I would. If he lands in a good enough
spot I would take him over Price in round four.
I love Coleman. I mean Love's maybe a strong
word cuz this running back class is bad, but I dislike price in
Washington pretty decisively and as long as I think I have a
reasonable path to Coleman becoming a lead back in year
one, I'm gonna have him as my RB2.
I think he just has the best mix of creation ability, 3 down
upside, goal line, upside receiving.
Like I'm, I'm very excited about his profile.
But yeah, I mean, if he if he goes to day three, then you're
spinning the wheel, right? Like he could go to day three,
but be drafted by Seattle and that's awesome.
Could go to day three and be like the backup on the Eagles.
And it's like, well, I don't, you know, at that point it's
just over. So I'm a Coleman Bull for sure.
And he's the one I'm most nervous about on drafting.
Yeah, Yeah. Because I assume just like I
mean those guys fell to what, Round 4?
But do you guys all like Scatabo and Tooten as prospects more
than? Way more.
Any of these guys we're going to talk about.
So you're just hoping that the scarcity at the position in this
draft class, like pushes one or two of these guys up into round
three, and then you at least have that to hang your hat on,
Yeah. Yeah, it's just a weird class
where like the guy that's going to get the draft capital's price
who's this kind of odd profile who it's who has really exciting
things. Like I'm not going to disagree
with what Ron said about the big play up side, but it's just so
hard to envision a three down role for him as a as a guy who
never caught passes. It's pretty undersized.
So like the guys that you can dream on the three down upside
from is like Coleman, Johnson, Singleton, all of whom are
probably late day two, more likely day three guys.
And yeah, you're just you're just praying for a landing spot
that like, I mean, scataboo went day three.
But like it was really easy to envision how he'd become the
starter year one. And he did almost instantly.
So if you get a spot like that for Coleman, then I'm I'm in.
But yeah, if you if you get like the DJ Gidden spot from last
year, it's just it's, it's just GG.
I'm also a draft capital snob and if Price goes top 50 I'll be
very interested. Yeah, it's going to be Ryan or
me. It's going to be close.
Oh, it's going to be me. I'm definitely looking at a wide
receiver here. Unless you tell me the Seahawks
take my Mike Washington at pick 32, then I'll maybe change my
mind. But let's go with a guy I've
drafted a lot in best ball of late, Chris Brazil.
Who? I think Jacob corrected me on
his pronunciation. I wanted him to be the gazelle
Chris Brazelle, but it is in fact Brazil.
Brazil, Brazil, Brazil. What do you guys think about
this pic? Thoughts.
I have Tennessee. I have, I just so, yeah.
I can lend you. Yeah, I've just got nothing to
say about Chris Brazil. These guys are so uninteresting.
He's, Ryan said. He's really tall.
Yep, He is tall and fast. I think that can go a long way,
obviously, in the NFL, Yeah. I mean, this is a tier where
Brazzle's probably the next pick and is a good pick here.
But I don't think you would be wrong to maybe look a little bit
off the board if you want a wide receiver too.
Blair suggesting it's OK to learn off this board.
I I stole this right out of reception perception so it's not
my stat, but it blew my mind when I heard it, especially as
someone who's subjected to the Tennessee offense frequently.
Anyone care to hazard a guess on the percentage of snaps Chris
Brazil lined up specifically at right outside wide receiver?
It's 95.5 percent, 95.5%, just an absolutely insane alignment
for just everything in the Tennessee office is so hard to
make heads or tails of but. This guy is not getting any pre
snap motion cardio no. No, he's not.
OK, let's let's keep it moving and if any points come back to
like circle back how you guys are are stacking up this kind of
I guess it's tier 3 of wide receivers here, but we are going
to have Davis back on the clock here at pick 14.
Can you make an uninteresting player interesting for us,
Davis? Oh, I will actually take the the
one interesting player remaining who is Mike Washington junior
from the University of Arkansas, who I assume I know Jacob
doesn't like. I assume Ryan doesn't like.
I assume Blair there might ideologically actually find
himself a little bit closer to me and don't really have a guess
on Ron. I assume Ron will just defer to
if the Seahawks take him at 32, he's in the Seahawks don't take
him at 32. He's out.
To me, Mike Washington Junior is is kind of what makes fantasy
football beautiful, which is you can just say this guy got frame
mogged by Seth McGowan when they were team mates, or you can say,
hey, he was really good His final season at running in a
straight line for Arkansas, forming maybe the only 20 Ras
quarterback running back tandem of all time with Taylon Green
and Mike Washington Junior. And I basically with guys like
this, I kind of, I, I call it the Ibrahim Mostert theorem,
which where I, I basically don't care how bad you were at playing
running back in college, because if you get drafted and stick
around for a long time, someone will teach you how to play
running back. And running back points are
given, not earned, whereas targets are earned, not given.
So he's just going to get a chance to run the ball in a
straight line really quickly, like 15 * a game probably.
And that is more than I can say about Jonah Coleman and Jadarian
Price. Yep.
Does anyone have Emmett Johnson over Mike Washington?
I don't. I wish I did.
I. Will yeah, I was going to say
Emmett J gets good. Capital, Yeah, yeah, if they got
the, if they got the same draft capital, I would easily take
Emmett Johnson. But like if I was doing a rookie
draft today, I'm taking Washington first.
OK. All right, let's spin here for
our next pick. We've entered round two that
started with Chris Brazil and Mike Washington, and Ryan is
back on the clock here at pick 15.
All right, this is going to be the most boring pick in the
draft. I I have no like good analysis
to add to this. I have Ty Simpson ranked at 13th
overall among rookies. This is literally just he's a
quarterback that might get round one capital.
I have no actual opinion on Ty Simpson.
I yeah, I can't provide anything other than that.
But there's, yeah, there is nobody else that I'm taking over
Nameless, faceless quarterback that maybe sneaks into round
one. Can anyone provide like not just
repeating what Dan Orlovsky has said, but can anyone with their
own mind, like tell me why he might go in round one?
Because I mean, I agree with Ryan.
I would have taken him here, but like, how?
Like, I, I tried to like, dive into the profile to see if I
could find something interesting about this guy, but I, I truly.
He's he's big and strong. That's it.
He's. Like 6-1, he's like, I mean, for
like a quarterback. More strong.
Yeah, yeah, He's like, pretty. Is it anyway like 220 though?
Maybe. Maybe. 211 I think he was saying
all. Right.
So he's not even big and strong. I was trying to be kind to him.
I only ever watched him play one game start to one game, start to
finish. And it was against Oklahoma.
And he looked positively Davis Webbian to me.
Like like straight up like undraftable.
So it's all seems crazy to me. Because it's even the NFL, like
I mean, he's a one year starter with pretty bad efficiency and
the NFL is willing to draft those guys.
It never works out by the way, but they they do draft those
guys. But usually they're like Anthony
Richardson where it's like this probably won't work out, but I
can see why A-Team would want to do it right?
Like he's the most athletic guy of all time.
But Simpson is like, what if one year inefficient starter was
like generic white guy with like a medium arm?
I don't, I don't know, but I think it's a totally fine pick.
I mean, he's like Tyler Shock I thought was one of the most
ridiculous picks of all time and he looks totally prominent, so
it could easily work out. I think the NFL is gonna wisen
up on this one. I don't think he'll go round
one. I will.
I will say, don't we do the same song and dance every year though
with the quarterback prospect everyone says is definitely not
around one guy and then some NFL team takes him in the top 20
that it's like sometimes they're good at sometimes.
There's the reverse. Levis had top 10 Steam and then
one second round. Malik Willis, same deal.
Like I, I don't know, I, I think, yeah, I guess in a week
class somebody might do it in the 20s.
Hey Ron, you would kill for Malik Willis to be your
quarterback. But no, no, no, not on that
contract bro. All right, so poor Ryan had to
wait until the second round to start making picks, and then he
finally has to take a pick that he has no thoughts on.
So that's that's how well we're running today.
We're gonna keep it rolling, though.
It looks like it's gonna be me here.
You know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna do a guy who out
produced Omar Cooper Junior. That's.
What I wanted to do, man, I wanted to talk about this guy.
Ryan I mean, precedent was set. Blair took Kenyan Sadiq 2.
Overall, you could do it. I should, I should've he.
I know you're new to podcasting with Ryan, but he's just
committed to being boring. Yeah, So I'm going to do Elijah
Serrat. I've been looking at Dwayne's
supermodel. He, you know, because of that
production just grades out so well.
And who knows where the draft capital will be.
But I feel like betting on these guys who have shown an ability
to earn targets, a massive amount of targets is always a
good thing to to fall back on in dynasty drafts.
So Ryan, let me let me kick it to you, because you sound
thrilled about Serrat despite just passing on him.
Yeah, so for first I'll say I I get that most film guys hate him
and say he can't separate and he's slow and all that stuff.
But the the guy, the guy produced, damn it.
And he produced wherever he went, starting at James Madison.
He had one of the three best yards per team pass attempt
seasons in a non power conference underage 21.
That's on a top five list with Michael Gallup and Cortland
Sutton, two of the only non power conference wide receiver
hits ever. So that's great moves to
Indiana. The per out stuff looks
completely elite behind only Jeremiah Smith and 1st Downs per
out run last year, I believe was that SAT in my model.
He has the second best production score ever for a
projected round three NFL draft pick between Michael Gallup and
Josh Downs. So yeah, I, I don't know that
he's like a guaranteed hit or anything like that.
This is like pretty close to 5050.
Is this a real player or not? But I I am super willing to take
that even like in the early 2nd. He's my 14th overall rookie in
this class. So I'm going to end up with a
lot of him and he he's really fun.
Nice All right, let's spin here and you guys are going to have
to get real creative here down this I guess here for a macro
question and and Jacob, you can tee us off here because you're
going to be picking where do you and I know you you wrote this
up, but refresh my my memory on like where do you see the value
tier gaps for people who have have these picks might be trying
to position themselves to capture the end of a tier so.
I have love being worth 2 firsts and then I have the three
receivers at 1.25 base ones, which if you're not familiar in
the world of Jacob speak, that basically just means like an
early to midfirst in a regular class.
And then yeah, I have my I only have one player in the class
being worth a late 1, which is Concepcion.
And then I have everyone from 7 through 12 as being worth an
early 2 and then to base 2. And then I'm already a guys that
I'm valuing as late 2 starting at 2O3, which is.
A good place to kick off because I have my top player available.
My 2O3 ranked player is on the board, the first of my late two
guys, and that's what I'll take here.
And Davis, I'm taking a fast guy giving Nick Singleton running
back 10 states. Hey.
There we go, man. We can always, you know,
horseshoe theory. We we're able to meet.
Sorry. Nick Singleton is the most.
Nick Singleton is like the least Jacob prospect imaginable in
that he has the most horrible fancy metrics of anyone you'll
find. So he's not really my type at
the running back position. It's just it gets to a point in
this class where I think the upside starts to really
evaporate and I can at least talk myself into if a team
decides to give him touches Like why can't he be DeAndre Swift
where you're like shaking your head every now and again about
this guy took the wrong rushing lane, but he's really explosive.
He has legitimate receiving pop like his three seasons over 1.5
yards per outrun. He's 6 foot 219 lbs and if he
had not broken his darn foot, I think he would have run sub 4/4
at the NFL combine. So for sure I think he is one of
the few guys in this class that you can really see a vision of
as a three down running back. Pretty unlikely that actually
happens, but I think the ceiling here is pretty high.
All right, let's see what we're gonna cook up here at 18.
Jacob has two more picks, Ryan has two more picks and I am
about to make my final pick. I I was debating between him and
Sarat. So I am going to just take
Emmett Johnson here. I guess the one thing I like
just listening to JJ and I think it was Pat talk about him.
Just the being able to fall back on the, the receiving profile.
It doesn't seem like necessarily a lot of these other guys have
robust receiving chops in their game.
So I'm going to take Emmett Johnson.
Do any of you guys have thoughts on him?
I really wish he was faster than he.
He was what? What was his?
40 Davis. Was it like 4-5?
5-6 yeah 456. Which the 40s find it's just, I
mean the four 5-6 is no problem in a vacuum. 456 and being 2O2
is a little tough. There are a number of examples
of running backs that have hit and that he has one thing that
they all share which is a really good receiving profile, right?
If you're going to be small and slow, you better be able to
catch the football and he can the I, I did a deep dive into
some of his creation metrics in the profile and they're just not
quite at the level that I'd want to get in on him.
Like they're they're they lag like a Bucky and Aaron Jones, a
singletary pretty significantly. The one guy that I think he's
almost a one to one comp to is Kyron Williams, which like was a
great troll for me because I hate Kyron Williams.
But you know, if if a team decides to install him and they
they value his reliability and his versatility, I think he
could have a pretty nice fantasy ceiling.
But I just don't know that that many teams would have wanted to
start Kyron Williams, right? Like I think I think Kyron ended
up on a very specific path that worked out very well for him.
If he gets drafted by not the Rams, Like I don't know if his
career is what his career is. All right, there we go.
We also have Nick maybe potentially spoiling a future
pick in Wish, casting one of us to select his guy, Ted Morris
Hearst the third. He's using his Immaculate
milestone, a member for 53 months.
We'll see if someone can do you proud, Nick with an upcoming
selection. Thank you for that.
Maybe it will be Jacob, maybe it won't.
Well with Emmett gone I'm already clear of my I'm like no
I have one more guy left in my late 2 tier so it won't be Ted
Hurst. I apologize.
I'll be taking Davis's least favorite player in the class,
tight end Max Claire from. Ohio State, literally, I think
truly like me versus consensus. My least favorite player in the
class, Yeah. Max Claire had a really, really
impressive red shirt. Sophomore season at Purdue did
not replicate the same level of production at Ohio State.
I've heard some film people. We had Max on Ryan and I's show
Dynasty Points. We had Max Toscono on and said
that he he noticed a drop off in the film.
That worries me a little bit because I was pretty willing to
just completely excuse his lack of production while playing next
to Jeremiah Smith and Cardinal Tate as a transfer tight end.
But I think what you get with Claire is a theoretical build
that could play as AY tight end and we have a demonstrated
receiving ceiling from his year at Purdue.
That's exciting ish for me. And I'll throw in he didn't test
the combine, which is not ideal, but we do have PFF chart on him
with 99th percentile on field athleticism.
I don't know if that's anything, but like it's at least something
that I can put under my pillow at night.
So I like Max Claire a lot at his.
ADP. All right, there you go, Jacob.
Let's keep spinning here. I should also mention before
Ryan makes this selection next week, we do have our NFL draft
round one party slash extravaganza.
We are always live for the entirety of round one.
We'll have lots of guests swinging by, so mark your
calendars for that Thursday, April 23rd, 8:00 PM start.
But Ryan, you are back on the clock here at Pick 20.
Someone made a joke earlier about me drafting Jeremy Bernard
and that's exactly what I'm doing now.
This is where I have him ranked. Play to your baseball card, kid.
I I think there's like a low key kind of analytics case for him,
which is just when you age adjust.
If you just look at the age 20 season of every receiver in this
class, his was actually the third best by yards per team
pass attempt in a power conference.
At least it was, yeah, ahead of what Casey Concepcion and
Carnell Tate both did at that age.
So that's like something you can kind of hang your hat on.
He had decent target competition throughout his career.
Ryan Williams at projected 2027 around 1 pick.
I so yeah, it I don't like love him.
He's not exciting. He he doesn't have that high of
like an NFL ceiling. I comp into like Jacoby Myers as
like the fantasy receiver. We're all sick of where he's
just always going to be the wide receiver 30 every single year.
That's like the vibe I get with Jeremy Bernard.
I don't know that he's anywhere close to as good as Jacoby Myers
or will ever even live up to that, but that that's kind of
what you're getting here. And that's the best thing I see
on the board right now. Yeah.
Yeah, I guess to toss out to you guys and kind of I guess
piggybacking on the tears conversation for Jacob.
Are there are there any guys who kind of separate from the others
or is this like a jumbled pack here and and draft capital is
gonna. Sort it out.
Chris Bell is there. Yeah.
All right. We'll, we'll let the picks
settle this for us as we enter the home stretch of round two.
But what I'm learning is I feel like it used to be having like
late seconds in these kind of dynasty formats was like a
pretty exciting. Kind of a.
Hack. Yeah, and you get these
undervalued guys who might have some juice.
You still see that? Exciting.
I mean, last year the 2:06 was like Basil Tootin, and two years
ago the 2:06 was Ricky Pearsall, who was like a round one wide
receiver. But you know, as the poet Bob
Dylan once said, the times they are a change in.
Davis, you are on the clock, though I believe this is your
final pick here. At you guys you guys want me OK,
let's let's take it from the panel do you guys want me to
make a real pick or do you want me to take my favorite pick that
is is more I. Definitely want you.
To take it favorite pick? Obviously favorite pick.
OK, give me, give me, give me from University of California's
last University of Oklahoma one Mr. Jayden OTT, who set the
University of Oklahoma's gym record for peak propulsion
force. So that's the amount of
propulsion that your body generates in their special gym.
They they have, they have these like.
Is this real? Yes.
Yeah. So in is.
This in the slap model. Is this the P of the slap?
Model Oh, I got this from the I got this from the Freaks list
Feldman. Statistical likelihood of
achieving propulsion. I I think that I was telling
this to Jacob last night, I think, but basically like I
think the only reason why we are continually getting floated Jade
not is even a draftable guy given how I mean he basically
showed up to Oklahoma and was like, I'm good.
Actually, I don't really want to play.
So so give me my money, but I don't really want to play.
I think the only reason he's getting drafted is I mean, his
second season as at California, it was incredible.
And then the season he played with Mendoza, he was like the
worst running back in what remained of the PAC 12, which I
I'm assuming he's hurt or it kind of like an Ollie Gordon
ask. I mean, if you Ollie Gordon, if
you want to put it negatively or Chuba Hubbard if you wanted to
put it positively. I do not.
I don't think he will be an undrafted for agent.
I think he's going to get drafted and with most of these
prospects, even in the second round, it's a real I the
beholder situation and I'm choosing to say I believe the
sophomore season at Cal and I, I think he's, I mean, he trained
at Oklahoma's pro day and was awesome.
I'm so fired up if he gets drafted.
I'm just, you keep saying like, why do people keep talking about
Jay Knott? I'm not convinced that anyone's
talking with Jay Knott except me.
And you. Like, I think it's just us that
are that are bringing up Jay Knott and then we're like, why
is he in the discussion? I believe he has the most half.
Hearted blurb. Ever in my running back rankings
just. Where did where did he land for
you, Ryan, 'cause he, he got into my top ten.
It was like kind of a bit, but kind of real, yeah.
He's he's my RV 13. We'll take it, We'll take it.
I I believe he got a full write up in the beast.
Let me let me Fact Check myself right now, but I.
Well, I saw in the I saw in the beast also.
Everyone got a write up in the beast.
There's like 7000 prospects in the beast, like 200.
Tight. Ends I saw he was put on the red
flags list for like. I can't remember the specific
terminology but it was basically like choosing not to play.
It was like the the red flag. Here's the thing, we can't tell
Davis to do his fun, exciting pick and then trash the fun.
Exciting. Hey I'm I'm in on odd like.
I like it too. I want to put that out there.
I'm I'm always a sucker for a Debbie guy.
Like after his second year he was like a second round Debbie
pick. Second round Debbie Pick.
Yeah. Definitely the Zach Evans of
Shawn Tuckers, but I'm. For sure, for sure.
Very Bryce love. They Oh, Bryce Love is in his
Gray pole. Yes, very, very, very good.
All right, real quick before Ryan picks, I just want to note
that Davis has a skewed typical positional designations twice
now. He took an offensive weapon, one
O 1 and a gym rat at at 21 there.
I love that. We've formatted the columns.
Yeah, exactly. All right, Ryan, you're back on
the clock. I believe your final pick, yes.
Yeah, I'm so I'm going to use it to talk about the guy I want to
talk about rather than the guy it actually take.
For anyone curious, I would take Chris Bell and Antonio Williams
over the guy I'm about to talk about in a real draft, but it's
Justin Jolie here for me. Yeah.
Let's go. I haven't ranked at the end of
Round 2. Yeah, it's the I'm like weirdly
excited to just dive into all the day three tight ends in this
class. I feel like that that's like
actually what gets my blood pumping in Round 3 rookie drafts
right now. And it starts with Jolie goes to
UConn produces like a total monster there.
One of the obviously it's UConn so grain of salt, but he's on
list with like Brock Bowers and Kyle Pitts for like age 19 tight
end seasons, right? Goes to NC State alphas KC
Concepcion just the year after Concepcion had one of the best
freshman wide receiver seasons of like recent history.
Jolie comes in and completely alphas him out produces him.
Isn't quite as productive in his final season, but he had the the
injury where he was like jumping to the end zone on one leg.
You might have seen that clip. He is looks amazing by miss
tackles force. That's kind of his calling card.
I think like the the comp that I came to in the data and the comp
that Brett Whitefield, our extremely smart film guy
independently came to. We both said this is probably
Isaiah Likely. Isaiah Likely is a player that
annoys me. I I hate that Isaiah Likely has
held dynasty value and captured everyone's imaginations for so
many years despite like no actual results in the NFL.
But this is like your Isaiah Likely if you love those types
of prospects. I think there's a path where
Jolie goes to a team that an Isaiah Likely is is like one of
their more useful receiving game weapons.
I just like making these bets with these later round tight
ends that if it works out that they can run over 65% of the
routes and they have like a good month like a Ronda Gadson did,
then you're just instantly profiting on that pick.
Yeah, the the floor is 0, but that's can be said for
everything. Everyone else you're going to
pick here. So yeah, Jolie is going to be
one of my guys here at the end of Round 2.
All right, there you go. I like it.
Everybody flexing their sleepers as we round out.
There's no value hounds here. There's nobody wanting to run to
the podium and scoop up value, which tells you a lot about this
draft class. And if there's one person who
can go out with a bang and teach us all a name here at Kick 23,
it's Blair Andrews. Well, you set it up a little bit
too, a little bit too strong be. Yourself, Blair.
I mean, honestly, when I said that you could go off the board
at 13, the guy I was thinking of was Ted Hurst.
I think he's a strong pick here, but I actually want to go with
Jacoby Lane, who is a wide receiver that if you could build
a wide receiver in a lab, it would be Jacobi Lane, right 6-4,
sub 454010 and 1/2 inch hands, 40 inch vertical.
He's he also had more touchdowns than Mackay Lemon in 2024 and
now I have to look up the other talking points or maybe that's
it. He kind of frame mogged everyone
other than Zachary Branch when they were all rookies or
freshmen together, right? Yeah, he.
Did Kind of. Like Blair, do you know what
frame mog means? I don't, but I'll say yeah to
that. Anyway, this is doing.
Man hey, I think that I mean based on recent news, the era of
frame mog might be. Coming over might might be over.
Yeah, it might be. Over I am for Clav right now.
I assume it's something good. It is good.
It's just we absorb language
into our vernacular in a way that makes massive assumptions
about everybody else. And sometimes I need to.
Take a pause and make sure. I mean I can I can figure it out
from context. Yeah, yeah, just just know our
thoughts and prayers go out to Clavicular right now.
OK One. Any other Jacoby Lane thoughts
here? I know poor Nick is going to be
upset that you passed on his guy Ted Hurst from.
All right, put me, put me down as pro Jacoby Lane.
OK, one final selection. I am spinning it again even
though Jacob is the only one there.
Look, all all do the same thing everybody else did, which is I'm
not going to pick the guy I have ranked highest because I want to
do a bit instead. For the record, the highest
ranked guy on my board would be Antonio Williams.
But that's that's a boring pick. And I, I grew up in Winnipeg,
MB, which meant when I was growing up, we didn't have
Hollister, you know, we didn't have Abercrombie.
And you're going to say cars. We didn't have Culver's.
We did have cars because if you wanted to go and get, you know,
various American brands, you had to go down to Fargo, ND, and you
had to go into malls. You had to go to the Shield
sporting Goods with a Ferris wheel.
And so ever since that childhood, I have a certain warm
feeling for the North Dakota State Bisons.
And so I will take quarterback Cole Peyton, 12.
I'm here. That's what I was.
Expecting. Truly.
Like how high to rank him today? Yeah.
He's in this tier for me. I think he's super fun.
He's like probably the Chris Streveller of Tayson Hills.
But he has a real draft capital projection.
Like he has an outside chance to go in round three.
He's projected to go in round four.
And he was such a athlete that he had 13 rushing touchdowns in
2023 when he wasn't the starting quarterback, when Cam Miller was
the quarterback, they were using him in like a Chris Streveller,
Jason Hill roll and comes in last year, super efficient.
I mean, of course he was, he was playing in the FCS.
But if you want to dream on any of these late quarterbacks being
a legitimate fantasy upside guy, I think it's Peyton.
And so in a class that is devoid of upside, I'm hoping to have
like 40% exposure to Cole Peyton with my third and fourth round
rookie picks. There you go, I did.
Just for the audio listeners, I added some conditional
formatting here. The last four picks have
received a neon green treatment with the footnote denotes bits.
So just know you are drafting off of this in your high stakes
dynasty league that there was some tomfoolery here at the end,
but let me let me read the whole.
Thing here. This is yeah, No, I, I'm, I'm
keeping the same sheet. I can go back to 2023 when Wow,
look how. Far the formatting has come.
When I took Anthony Richardson at one O 2, that's that's how
far back we go. Dardell Washington.
Speaking of doing bits, look at that.
Is he a band of what I know? You remember that one?
Ron over HM? Hendon Hooker.
You want to talk about how quickly tight ends could lose
their value at dynasty leagues? How about Hendon Hooker?
Or he's a quarterback right? Quarterbacks whatever.
But yes for $100 you can have access to this entire sheet for
historical mock draft data. Otherwise this was the 20261 the
pre NFL draft. Jeremiah Love, Kenyan Sadiq
Carnell Tate Jordan, Tyson McKay, Lemon Mendoza, Concepcion
Stowers, Cooper Jadarian Price, Denzel Boston, Jonah Coleman,
Brazil, Mike Washington, Ty Simpson, Elijah Serrat, Nicholas
Singleton, Emmett Johnson, Max Claire, Jeremy Bernard, Jaden
OTT, Justin Jolie, Jacoby Lane and Cole Peyton Blair, Ron Ryan.
Thank you guys so much for joining Ryan.
Let people know where they can check your very measured
objective dynasty content. Yeah, I'm on X at Ryan J under
score. He can find all my stuff there,
all my written work. I have wide receiver, tight end
and very soon running back model write ups and rankings out on
fantasypoints.com. That's where you find all my
written stuff. And then of course, Dynasty
Points the podcast with Jacob here as well.
There you go, Blair. You mentioned some stuff you've
been working on. What can they look forward to at
Rotavist? Yeah, I've got a lot of cool
stuff coming up. Obviously the rookie Guide is
out. We'll have another edition of
that shortly after the draft. I've got some backfield
dominator rating stuff coming up.
And I just saw today that Sean has a new article in the in the
getting cooked up. So stay tuned for that.
Awesome. Always an exciting time, Ron.
Other than spending all your time refreshing mock drafts for
the most recent Jet selections, what are you up to?
Just getting back into the swing of things with dynasty over at
the Rs Dynasty channel. I have a dynasty only channel
these days. And then of course Ron Stewart
on YouTube will have my re draft stuff here.
I know you know, we're starting to get back into bestball.
Of course the big board's closed up, but I imagine the the BBM
will be right after the draft. So you can find me on YouTube
Ron Stewart Rs Dynasty. There you go, Davis and Jacob
Davis. We have a video redirecting
right after this. What?
What are people gonna see? Stream, stream I, I, I've got
like a bunch of like dynasty like stuff to do.
Like I've got like, I need to send some trades out.
I need to do some cuts and stuff.
So I'm just gonna do that on stream on my new dynasty
channel. And then I also have a team
review to do as well. So I'm just gonna knock that all
out immediately after this. There you go.
And how about you, Jacob? Yeah, I mean, all, all my pre
draft content is now done. So I have over over 30,000 words
of articles on on all of the normal, all of the players in
this class. I have my pre draft rankings
locked and loaded. So check that out.
I'm thinking about thinking and then I don't know what I'm gonna
do for this week. I hadn't I hadn't envisioned
myself actually adhering to the schedule I laid out.
I usually don't. I usually procrastinate.
So I don't know, I'm gonna like maybe get in the gym, maybe
gonna go for a run. I'm not sure, but North Dakota.
Bought me. Do you wanna do your two wide
receivers tomorrow? Sure.
Yeah, sure. OK, that sounds great.
Cool. All right, As for me, just make
sure if you're thinking about becoming a Tao, submissions are
open for a little over a week. They lock on NFL draft night,
April 23rd. I'm up to 60 submissions, some
really strong ones coming in, including one of Ryan's
contributors over there. We we need the Dynasty Bros to
join. So you think you can tout for
real? There there are there are some
coming in the dynasty. Bros are real.
Like I've never, I never really knew how my subscribers broke
down between like Dynasty, Best Ball, whatever, until I, I
launched this new chat feature and I have like a thread that's
like best ball and I have a thread that's Dimes.
I've gotten like 80 replies to the dynasty, right.
I'm waiting for the first one on my best ball thread.
So it's clear that my people are the dynasty, are the dynasty
virgins. Those are my people.
Could could it possibly be that nobody wants to play pre draft
basketball, Jacob? Could it possibly be that?
It's the one. Year I have, I have some.
I have some news for you. Ryan Underdog has filled 8 pre
draft basketball tournaments. They're all full.
I've never drafted more big
board teams. Not.
Being able to draft, there were David Gautieri, who God bless
him, I mean, I don't know anything about him, but he had a
literal tweet thread that was like, underdog, I'm trying to
give you money, man. Put the puppy in the bag.
Put in the bag. Tried to give you 3 to $4.00 in
rake drafting $102.00. T like I my buddy look, I was
kind of with I was kind of with them like if there was like a
nice $20 contest right now that I could do a little Max 3 for
the fast draft like oh, put that right in my.
Name I agree. They they they messed up with
the little board. I I assume it was literally like
an administrative error. They made it 20 Max.
They they needed to make it 50 or 75 or 100 Max.
And it's put them in a weird position where what we should
have right now is the little board 2.
It's huge with 100,000 entries that would fill in two weeks.
But I think they're just gonna keep giving us these small ones.
Yeah, I mean, you know, for a fact feed, if they launched 5
minutes from now, a $20 Max 5 entry, 2000 entry, total
contest, you know you're spending the next three hours of
your day. It's like you.
You're I just like when people act like they are going to keep
underdog in business with their $2.40 of rate. $1.00 you did
like, yeah. That's how we're gonna pay Josh.
And hated their salaries. OK, like I said, I believe you
guys decided Jacob and Davis, right?
No ADP chasing next week. We're just gonna do.
The Yeah, because Davis can't stay up past 830 on two days out
of three in the same week, and I have a board meeting for the
local circus, so there's two equally.
Both of those things, both of those things sound like jokes,
but they're 100% true. Yeah.
All right. Thank you again to Ron, Blair
and Ryan. We will do a follow up one of
these after the draft. We always like to to do that as
well. So you can stay tuned for that.
Otherwise we will see you guys next Thursday NFL Draft
Extravaganza. Until then, this has been ship
chasing peace.