Hi there, I'm Mike Show in Buffalo, where it is sunny and
71 week and a date to the NFL draft.
Round one from Pittsburgh. Risers and fallers and rookies
as always, especially this time of year.
We'll talk about the Eagles and whether they are going to trade
A.J. Brown.
Dantavian Wicks moves in. We've got more than just that,
of course, and you know, after getting or helping to get Diana
Rossini to resign, we'll see what else our heroes have up
their sleeves collectively tonight.
No Pat Terrain, but we have Davis Maddock, Jacob Sanderson
and Sam Sherman along for ADP chasing on this April 14th,
2026. ADP chasing is for when you
watch ship chasing. You go, these guys are just
football guys. I have my 4% exposure blanket.
Actually. Back in if it's Austinette.
It's here to our crystal ball. close your eyes.
You know all your entries are going to lose anyway.
Yeah. That's.
Fair. You're not going to told me all
this way I was here. It's anti cabal, it's anti the
best ball thought leader. I'm obviously lying to some
degree because like, I have a lot of both of these guys.
It's the most disgusting thing you can make, but man.
Welcome guys. Let me start with Sam, who I'm
just meeting tonight. Of course, I've followed and
known about Sam for a long time and watched this show so
carefully and often that I ended up being coming a part of it.
Let's with that said, address the elephant in the room right
off. Sam, will you talk hockey with
us? I can't bring the hockey
knowledge, unfortunately. I did go to A.
Perfect replacement for Pat, yeah.
Dude, you're you're you. You live in the northeast and
you got no hockey. Embarrassing bro.
Yeah, it is. It is a bit disappointing.
I I'm a fan, like I love playoff hockey.
Can I name more than five players in the Bruins?
That's gonna that's gonna be a stretch for me.
So I'll try my best though. We shouldn't need you to do too
much, but exciting for the playoffs here in Western New
York, that's for sure. More more importantly, where do
you stand on Alexander the Great All?
Right. Alexander the Great
misunderstood guy had kind of an early early breakout age I
believe. Very early breakout.
Age. Yeah, yeah.
Not tall either. Not tall, yeah.
Not tall. Yeah, good BMI.
It's true we are. We are replacing a ABBM winner
with a BBM winner although. Yes.
Yeah. If you'd.
Like. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, it's a while. Yeah.
I wanted to, you know, do do a bit of housekeeping here.
It's been a while since I've been on.
So first of all, address the elephant in the room.
I'm sure a lot of you guys are wondering when I'm back on
tonight, you know, expecting me to make an announcement about
offseason content plans. Unfortunately, that's not going
to happen. The real reason I'm back, they
actually discovered a legal clause deep in the ADP chasing
bylaws that you do need at least one $2,000,000 winner per ADP
chasing show. So I was brought back on for
that. I was actually surprised.
Davis, you, you didn't qualify for that.
I haven't really been paying attention to best of long a
little bit, but no. But we're close.
We're close. We're, you know, just like how
Jordan Spieth has been close to winning a major for the last 10
years. My game, we're feeling it.
We're feel we're seeing the ball.
Well, you know, the ball flight's good.
We're feeling it. Well, anyways, I, you know, I
was happy to have you guys invite me back on regardless of
the circumstance. I was actually a bit surprised
you were still doing this show. I thought, you know, much like
the spoil cast after Evan Silva had probably petered, petered
out without me. But I was, I was humbled to
learn that you guys replaced me not with 1, not 2, but three
people. I I guess you figured you can
recreate me in the aggregate Moneyball style.
So obviously got Zach Lennars taking my role of making charts
that no one will ever talk about or look at.
You got Mike Show Mike Shope taking the role of hosting and
getting interrupted by Davis or Pat every time he tries to speak
longer than 10 seconds. Mike, my advice for you is just
speak in fragments of sentences, 3-4 words.
That's about the Max are going to be able to get out.
Don't don't try anything too fancy.
And finally you got you got Jacob Sanderson.
You know, he was brought in to play the role of furiously
arguing with Pat Crane, hurling personal insults over a player
they disagree with by one spot in their ranking, so I do
appreciate that. They they did do a good job.
Everyone kind of slots in nicely and handles one one part.
I mean, T Higgins is still very prominently.
Involved already. Tonight, audigraphic.
Anyways, I did speaking. Speaking of Jacob, I did want to
say I'm I'm really happy to see a member of my tree, you know, a
branch off my fantasy football lineage really succeeding
without me in the fantasy football space.
Obviously, he he followed in my footsteps on ADP chasing, you
know, he followed me, took my role in the wave wire show an
underdog. But I did did hear some breaking
news. Actually, you know, Congrats to
Jacob for finding a role that's not just following in my
footsteps with the news that Diana Rossini was retiring from
the Senior insider athletic. We broke that news.
We broke that. Do you have breaking news that
yeah, Jacob is actually going to be the one to play singer senior
NFL insider. So Congrats to Jacob for that.
And this is this is where my sourcing gets a little rough.
I, I, I did believe, I heard that Jacob himself, you know,
following in Diana's footsteps, volunteered to sleep with Liam
Cohen to prove that Travis Hunter is not the only one
capable of playing both sides this season.
I don't. Know just.
Just a rumor that I heard. Yeah, that was that.
Sex joke. Folks, I would have see, I would
have gone. I would the other way.
We volunteer Jacob for tribute to just really get the Bishal
Tooten information early. That's what we need.
We need the Bishal Tooten scoop from the horse's mouth.
That is more important for ADP chasing to be honest.
The Chris Rodriguez wars anyways, couple couple more
updates and then I'll I'll hand it back up to show Pierre, you
know, Speaking of new jobs in the fantasy space, I was excited
to hear about this. So you think you can tout
competition that Peter overs at is launching.
I just think it's really important, you know, to give
marginalized voices a say in today's society.
White guys with opinions on fantasy football they don't
have. Platforms.
There's there's no way they can go out and get their opinions
heard. They won't just share with that
openly to you at A at a bar. So thanks to Pete for for doing
all the work there. Pete.
Pete's contest is a YouTube comment section with the face.
That's what that's what we found.
Finally. Yeah, and finally I have to get
to Davis, obviously. And you know what was a huge
blow to State Farm Insurance? Davis Maddock did find himself a
new position at Flock Fantasy. I'm really happy for Davis.
I think though, I'm honestly like even happier for a younger
generation of fantasy football enthusiasts to get to experience
the Davis Matic legacy. The lore.
They don't, they don't know. What's about to happen?
To them, they don't know what's about to hit him.
You know, even some of his experiences, his life
experiences in college, I think they they might get exposed to,
so I did. These kids don't even know who
Cordero Patterson is. Yeah, yeah.
And you know, I, I, I did tune into a stream where Davis was
talking about it and he said, and hold on, give me a second
look, I'm sorry, Cordray Patterson might be the RB 67,
but he's going to sleep with your college girlfriend and
there's nothing you or I can do about it.
So anyways. Full bits.
I'll hand it back to show up here.
I know I've got a ton of news to talk about this week.
We've got Dantavian Wicks getting traded.
We've got that's it, that's it. And Wicks join joining the
Eagles, We got him leaving the Packers, we got we got all sorts
of stuff. So show show it back to you.
Sam able to keep his focus with Boston jumping to a four nothing
lead in the first period against New Jersey with the chance to
play the Sabres on the line. They want it, so do I Wicks to
Philadelphia. Are we all assuming an A.J.
Brown trade? I have been.
Are you drafting accordingly? Here's the great picture, by the
way. I mean they they have to be
planning on trading him because why else would you?
Why else would you do this? Move the the wide receiver 4.
Can you guys even name the wide receiver 4 for the Eagles the
most recent two years? Literally, who would it have
been? His name is the name Cooper
Johnny Wilson. So so quiz what has been the
wide receiver 3 two years ago? Quiz Watkins was not even on the
team last year. Johnny Wilson.
The point is, no one knows. No, but I do know.
I just told you the name Darius. Well, that I don't know.
There you go. D Name Cooper.
The point is is no one knows cuz that guy is completely anonymous
and they don't really play a second tight end either like.
Davis How many wide receiver fours are we supposed to know, I
mean. I was going to say, we all know
Travis. We know Travis Hunter.
We know Travis Hunter first. Off Mike, I bet you know way
more wide receiver fours. OK, random team wide receiver 4
Los Angeles Chargers go last year.
Well, that's an easy one, Sam. We're letting Mike play.
Sorry. So I.
Don't know, I'm not ready with an answer.
I mean, OK, Tampa, well, depending on your depending,
it's either him or Trey Harris, one of the way Tampa Bay
Buccaneers. Everyone knows that well.
Because he was on my fucking BBM team.
I would say it was IGBUCA in week 17 was really how I felt
during the finals. I would say McMillan felt a lot
like the wide receiver one. Point being, we all we all know
a lot of them. I this is this is my honest to
goodness, no biased like really trying to be level headed take
Wix is like a really good stylistic fit for Jalen Hertz
because he doesn't run routes really.
He he just, he's like really good at winning jump balls,
which Jalen Hertz loves to throw his.
No, he's not. He's he has no hands.
That's like the whole thing he can't catch.
OK, but if he could catch, you could imagine.
But did you just say Wix is a good stylistic fit because he's
good at winning jump balls? Was this Davis is over here?
He's big. He's big and strong and fast.
He's going to go get open down the field and he you can throw
him a jump ball. He just obviously is not
guaranteed to to fetch it. I did.
I had this moment earlier in the day that I realized that if A.J.
Brown does in fact get traded and they don't draft like Ted
Hurst or whatever in round two, there's gonna be a brief shining
moment of time where Xavier Worthy is wide receiver 50,
Matthew Golden is wide receiver 51, and Dontavian Wix is wide
receiver 52 in ADP and I'm just gonna be frozen.
With paramet, it's gonna be the widest your Jaccard tree has
ever gone. 33% of each in the same round.
All right, I do think that the the craziest thing to this, like
not really about Wix, but the fact that Devonta Smith's ADP is
just stuck there in round 4 despite everyone basically
knowing that A.J. Brown is going to get traded is
insane. Like he it's just going to be
the most predictable thing ever, where we always think something
that's guaranteed to happen is baked in.
And then AJ Brown's going to get traded and Devana Smith is just
going to immediately go up to pick 27 and we're going to be
like, how was that not baked in? But yeah, he could just be a
crazy good collect, you know, even if you.
Think that's what is 1 like I was trying to think of like what
his ceiling is if A.J. Brown does get traded.
I think what you said, 27's, I mean that's like where Chris
Alave is going. He.
Probably has been the one I've been thinking of.
Like, I think they're very similar players, and if Smith
was the unquestioned wide receiver one, I think he goes
right by Alave. What happens to A.J.
Brown? Does he go ahead of A.J.
Brown? He's right there, too.
Yeah, I think he's a scenario where like Brown.
Assuming he goes to the Patriots, I think he goes late
too. Moves up.
Pickens, I thought Brown goes higher.
Yeah. Like you would take A.J.
Brown and the Patriots ahead of Nico Collins, right?
Yes, I would for sure. I think I'd go Collins, but I
think that's like exactly where he is probably.
Sam Sam is a Nico slappy though because he he got on him big pre
breakout and he's unable to memory wipe being in on Nico pre
breakout. We all have these guys.
I don't blame you. I mean, I love Nico.
I I think that, I mean, he's not going to go ahead of London.
So I think that would be like the cap.
I can't envision Brown the. Issue is is this is this is
fucked up but I will end up with so little A.J.
Brown if that happens because then you'll be forced to choose
between him or Roshi Rice and I I just.
Want Yeah, I would take A.J. Brown everything.
Yeah, obviously you would take A.J.
Brown. I bet you would.
Well, obviously you you would take.
You would take. I'm going to fade.
I'm about to fade Rashi Rice so hard because the Chiefs are
taking my favorite guy at 9 like they're going to take Tyson at 9
and I'm about to have to be like the most anti Rashi.
Oh no, didn't you see Daniel Jeremiah mock?
Dude, they're just going to take, they're going to take
Jeremiah Love at nine. Well, that's that's a word that
I can't say on the Internet anymore.
That's literally, that's literally the worst mock of all
time. That is, that is Daniel
Jeremiah. That's a mockery.
Draft it's it's him logging online and saying I think Brett
Beach is fucking stupid. This is how dumb I.
Think Brett Beach is actually. I mean, they drafted Xavier
Worthy in the first round, so you'd probably get more value
out of Jeremiah Love that wide receiver.
Andy Reid, Andy Reid said. Give him a break, Andy Reid
said. I'm not mad at him.
We asked him to do a lot with a torn labrum.
He's going to be a lot better this year.
And I, I believe Andy Reid. Andy Reid's never lied to me
before. Bringing the conversation back
to, to, to Wix, I was a little surprised at like the ADP or
sorry, the the leg up rank of just 197.
I mean, obviously there's still some uncertainty The Eagles
could draft someone A.J. Brown probably is what like 10
percent, 20% to return to them. So some of that is is maybe
baked in, but. Call she has him 70% to be gone
for whatever that OK. That seems like that they're
they're selling dollars for $0.70 now.
Yeah. Yeah, I do feel like Wix at
least like he he's had a weird career to me where like, yeah,
he profiles as someone that could be a full time player now.
I think a lot of it has just been Green Bay's wide receiver
room has been so loaded that he hasn't really had a chance to do
that. But he doesn't have like and
compared to these other like part time players, he doesn't
have any physical limitations. He's not like a pop gun slot
wide receiver. He's not like unable to play on
the outside like he does profile someone who could be a 85%.
Yeah, he's like an outside manner or he's not a slot guy.
Yeah, exactly. So I, I, I would guess that like
he he would. Play more snaps than Devonta
Smith. No, he wouldn't.
No, but who? Who's?
Out there in the heavy stuff. Well, currently Smith.
Yeah. Anyways, I mean the the 197 rank
feels low to me. I don't know Jacob or Davis if
you guys have done rankings and have them higher.
Than that I I have rankings and I have them in the one 50s and
I'm probably low. That's that's high for me.
I'm closer to Pat I I just, I'm optimistic.
But if they do the A.J. Brown trade, I think there's, I
mean there's yeah, there's a small chance that they don't do
the trade. That's really small.
I think there's a reasonable chance that they get a wide
receiver back in the trade, and then there's also, I think a
really high chance that they just take a wide receiver at 23.
Knowing I will Shane, I will Shane Gillis gun meme if
Keyshawn booty steals Don Davey and Wicks's chain.
There's no, I think it's more that I think it's more that they
they only really play 2 wide receivers.
Like the third wide receiver is so rotational for them that if
it's, and if they take like Boston or Tyson or Cooper,
whoever in round one, you're strongly favoring that guy, I
think over Wix. And I, I mean, I definitely
would bet on Wix ahead of Hollywood Brown, but I wouldn't
say it's like 1000% guarantee. So I think you're there's like a
chance that he's wide receiver 3 on the Eagles, which is pretty
dead. But and then wide receiver 2 on
the Eagles, he's still probably behind Goddard.
He's he's way behind Smith. If if they went and didn't, if
they trade agent Brown and they don't take a wide receiver in
round one and they don't add anyone else's note, then I'm
pretty on board with like, I don't know, the one tens one
20s. So I guess probably if you rank
them in the one 50s, it's not a bad edge.
Jacob Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
Not to make this all too easy for you, but what is Hertz
Future? What have you thought about?
I know what you think of him. What have you thought about how
that has sounded? I mean, I think that he's a
limited player who knows how to win.
I'm feeling nice today. How?
About you Oh, that is the that is the kindest thing that has
ever been said about Jalen Hurts on on the.
Program. Well, like Sam's on the show, so
I can't really be like the sarcastic hater.
Like there's only so. Much room for that corner.
So I I have to be a kinder. Yeah, it's like when it's like
when Simon Cowell left American Idol and then Randy tried to be
the mean judge for a couple seasons.
Like I I don't, I can't choose Simon's on the program at the
same time. So I have to be nicer to to
Jalen Hurts and is like playing 100 passing yards per year.
How close to 100% is it that Hertz gets the whole season?
Oh very very close. Like I don't think there's no
risk of him getting benched for performance this year.
The the risk would be like none they trade him or move on in a
future year. But I'm not worried about him.
This. I've been clicking a ton of
hurts in basketball. Like as much as I don't like him
as a quarterback, it helps that I have like 37% Devonta Smith
currently. Yeah, Joan.
Joan Hurts will. Jalen Hurts will have a job, the
Eagles will win the division and time will continue.
And in the offseason, The Athletic will do another
character assassination on a man who has literally never set a
foot wrong in his entire life, who's only ever done what his
coaches and team have asked of him.
Well that's not true. I mean he he like completely
strong arms his team into running a hitch based offense
that sucks every year. All right, well, let's see what?
Happens as a. Real quarterback, they could
like run a crossing route and that would.
Be and they just make the playoffs every year.
And they win constantly. They do hold the NF LS longest
active streak of division titles with two.
No, you got to get rid of that guy.
Let me tell you. That's the quarterback you got
to ship out. You got to put the franchise on
Tanner Mckee's shoulders. That's what I've always said.
Well, that's not quite what I would recommend either to be
honest. Well, Wix is a riser for obvious
reasons, as we can see in the next slide going forward, who
are we talking about? Here.
Oh, I'm trying to figure it out. I'm actually not sure.
Is this is this is it? Is it Marvin Harrison Junior?
Correct. Yeah, let's go, Marvin.
Harrison Junior, ADP65. You know what?
I actually. I know my sandbait Davis.
This is like bullish on Marvin Harrison junior.
I feel like this this gonna make you.
Yeah, that is I I am not I'm not a Marvin Harrison junior bull.
You get you get frame mugged by Michael Wilson junior that hard
and I'm I'm afraid there's very little recourse for you.
I God damn it I I had a really funny stat and it's just barely
not true that Duntavian Wicks had a higher spike week than.
T Higgins last year, but he he just barely got eclipsed.
Wix's two touchdown or T Higgins that.
Thanksgiving game? Oh yeah.
So T Higgins's two touchdown game came with 121 yards.
Wix's two touchdown game came with 94 yards.
So we got outscored by three points on their on their biggest
spike week. Yeah.
Bad, bad beat, bad beat. For me, this to me this is way
more interesting I think, don't you think?
I think so. This one I think.
So looking into this like I think the Jaden Reed.
And Williams, Can we get him? On a leak, Maliki, there's got
to be on there somewhere. But I think it's interesting.
I think both Reed and Watson have a decent bit of upside, you
know, baked in to their ADP right now, especially Reed at
One O 4. He's like what a career 2.1
yards per route run guy. I think Watson's right in that
range as well. Neither of them have seen like
huge target volume on a per route basis.
But now with some of these guys clearing out of the picture
craft potentially banged up coming back next year, like I
just cause no Green Bay wide receiver has been like truly an
elite option and fancy over the last three or four years.
I don't think it. I mean Watson.
Has been. Watson has been.
I think in fits and starts he's been like water super.
He's been elite for like 3 weeks at a time.
He's never been. Yeah, yeah, that's what I mean.
But yeah, I think, I mean Watson I think was extremely impressive
last year coming back from an ACL tear like late the season
before. He he like.
Challenged my entire philosophy on how NFL players can heal and
recover impact in fantasy football.
Like he, he like from a guy who had to have his hamstring
studied at like a special university for muscular
imbalance to the season that he put on.
I, I, I, I completely had to, to rethink like I'm drafting Naji
Harris and Daniel Jones and these guys and just like, well,
these, these guys are just made of titanium, you know, like it
just doesn't matter. Yeah, except for Brandon Iuke.
I I love shocking. Shocking.
Obviously no one. I love Jayden Reed.
It cost. I I think that we have the
possibility of them finally just having an actual three wide
receiver set and stopping with like the wide receiver
communism, right? Like, if this is actually just
their three and it's Watson plays every down and Gold plays
probably the majority of the two wide receiver sets and Reed
plays constantly in the slot because there's not really like
I joked about Savion Williams, but I don't think he's like a
serious threat. But I definitely think, you
know, it's the Packers. So they will probably draft
someone like in Round 2. Yeah.
That's that's a chip. In for like, you know, 2530% of
the routes, but I think that's more of a golden thing.
Like I think Watson's pretty locked into his role.
I think Reid is pretty locked into his role, but his role is
is potentially capped at being a slot just cause they've never
played him really in two wide receiver sets.
And then golden is the one where I think you can dream on.
He's the every single down Z, and then it's just a matter of
if he's any good. You know, if you're Davis and
you think he's good, then he has a lot of upside at 1:19.
Let me tell you buddy, I am scooping the dip.
Arena, Yeah. If you're if you're me and you
think he's complete garbage, then like I'm looking at it,
it's like, oh, like Golden's going to be such a failure.
They're going to have to play Jayden Reid and two wide
receiver stats. I've got a I've.
Got a good Jayden Reid. I've got a good Jayden Reid.
Matthew Golden stat So Jaden Reed has been in the National
Football League for three seasons on the Green Bay
Packers. His career high and number of
snaps played in a game 77%. Matthew Golden got to 70% of the
offensive snaps for the Green Bay Packers in his 123, his
fifth National Football League game.
What were the stats that game? Do you have a lot of catches and
yards that game or? Hey, little man, he had he had
he had three for 86. He had three for 86.
And I I do just want to make. This probably a season high in
yardage actually wind. No, his season high in yardage
came in a playoff game, by the way, with the touchdown.
Do you have? Fancy on that?
I did want to say on, on, on Matthew Golden.
I think I'm probably like somewhere in the middle of Jacob
and Davis here. Like you look at his overall
season long stats last year. 1.5 yards per outrun, 16% targets
per outrun. Like that's not that bad of a
season for a first round rookie like.
I just did a quick no it's not. I did a.
Quick, if you cut out the game that he played 100% of the snaps
with Clayton tune he he jumps up like another factor better.
Yeah, but I guess even if you don't do that, like those are
just, I don't know, there's plenty of first or second round
NFL picks who have had that statistical profile as a rookie
and have gone on to have success in the league.
Like I just did a screen of guys that were in that yards for out
run range, 1.3 to 1.7 in that targets for out run range.
So 14 to 18%. Golden was smack in the middle
of those ranges. And it's really like a full
spectrum of guys who had great careers, guys who had bad
careers. Megabus some big hits like just
to read you some names going from sort of best to worst
Pickens JSN, then guys like Courtland Sutton, Pittman,
Jordan Addison, Brandon cooks were all in that range.
Devante Parker had some OK years in that range.
And then there there's some big busts in there.
Johan Dotson, Dorial green Beckham, Jalen Rager, Kian
Coleman, Xavier worthy not not looking good.
Ricky Pearsall's also in there a bit TBD.
So it it's just like to me, like I just feel like we didn't find
out that much last year. I do feel like the drop in ADP
of like 60 spots is like or whatever it is, 50 spots from
last year is like a bit of an overreaction with the depth
chart now cleared out. So I actually kind of in on
Golden this year. I can't say I'm like super
enthusiastic about it, but. He's the one for me.
I've taken him. But he's not though.
Dobbs is like big and like wins on like dig routes and Golden's.
I think you're kind of hoping he can be like Brandon.
Not gonna play on the outside. That's.
Kind of what you're hoping. For OK, that's fine though.
He's good though. Like I, I don't think Jayden, I
think Golden's route ceiling is way higher than Jayden Reid.
That's fine. I just, I know Jayden Reid can
earn volume and be efficient on the routes that he gets because
we've seen it every year of his NFL career.
I'm, I'm very unconvinced of that with Golden and like Sam's
list is, is very interesting and I think he has a legitimate
ceiling. I, I just, if you compare his
prospect profile to the prospect profiles of everyone on Sam's
list, like most of the hits from that list, JSN, Pickens,
Addison, like those were really good prospects and Golden was a
horrendous prospect and most of the bad prospects on that list
didn't go anywhere after their first year.
So I, I just think it's like, I don't know, I felt like last
year's ADP was like a collective just refusal to like look at
anything he had done in college. Like I, I just, I'm surprised, I
guess, continually by how he was viewed last year.
I'm surprised he was drafted in round one so I I view him very
negatively as a result of his prospect profile.
But if you viewed his prospect profile less harshly then I
don't think anything in this rookie year was like that.
Objectionable. I agree with that.
Interesting that Wicks, for as little as we got out of him in
Green Bay, was third on that team in targets.
I mean they they were playoff team the year.
Before first the. Year before, no one but Dobbs
got as many as 56 targets last year, Watson at 55.
So I think Green Bay was really excited to draft Golden as their
first wide receiver in the draft since whenever when they hosted
the draft. Since Lynn Swan or what the
fuck? It wasn't Lynn Swan, it was.
Who knew some. It was some Jamo from 1962.
It wasn't. That long ago might have been
25. Years.
No, it was. No, it was like 30 years.
Maybe 30. That's not Lynn Swan.
The Green Bay is so weird because they draft.
They draft more receivers than any team.
They just never did it in round one.
Like they're they're a locked drafted day 2 receiver every
year. Yes.
Yeah. And they're hit rates a lot.
Good on those. Their hit rate's been good on
those guys, I mean. I think their hit rate's been
good. I also think that they just have
a really, really effective system, which is also probably
why I like, I'm a little bit more side eyeing at golden
sufficiency in a vacuum because like everyone is efficient on
this team and they're not. I don't know how good everybody
is, right? Like Watson has had ridiculous
efficiency his whole career. Jaden Reeds had ridiculous fishy
whole career. Wicks was like a nobody who had
these crazy spikes early in his career.
It got less efficient over time. Like, it's almost like there's a
Green Bay tax. He was.
Yeah. Dobbs.
Dobbs was fun. Good prospect.
Ever. There's certainly, yeah, I think
there's a yards for outrun like tax in the same way there is in
the shanty systems for Lafleur. For for sure.
But I mean, I, I guess argument for golden is like if, which is
still a big if at this point, if they don't add anyone like that
120 ADP is going to look look really, really good.
I think like there's there's no one on the roster currently
that's going to compete with them.
Could they draft someone or or sign, I don't know, Juwan
Jennings or something? Sure.
So we'll have to wait and see. He projects for legitimately
like if they don't, if they don't add anyone legit, he's
probably projecting for 85 to 90% route rate on a on a good
offense with no like true target dominant alpha.
And he's young. So I can totally well, Reed.
Reed is a is a is a very strong target earner, but he is
probably capped at a 75 to 80% route rate.
So like, there's, there's ceiling beyond that for Golden
if he's who Davis wants him to be, for sure.
Man, it's time for that team to get somewhere.
Coach and quarterback, They paid the quarterback.
Coach has been there a long time.
It's time for them to do better than 9, seven and one.
The wild card loss. Everyone thought he was going to
get fired after the after the the plan.
It would have been tough, but it was, it was there.
I don't know. So hard, it's so hard to fire a
Mcshaney tree coach because then you're like, what are you going
to do? Like we're going to get a a
leader of men and we're going to suck on offense.
Like, you kind of just have to take what the Mcshaney guys give
you, you know? I think, I think if there's
something for whatever reason they've wanted to do that
Lafleur has wanted to do that he hasn't done, this is it.
I mean, this is when you've got to you got a tough division, you
got to get somewhere with the team that's been this, you know,
decent for as long. I think.
Well, Wix is right on the top of our risers list for this week.
The rest Roshi Rice, Mike Evans, San Francisco, Montgomery and
Houston, Chris Rodriguez. Let's go Parker, Washington, Ted
Hurst, Lovett Omar, Cooper, Junior and Jordan James.
I need to talk to. Sam first, because when when Sam
when early in the season, well, even before Chris Rodriguez
signed, like before anyone signed, Sam was a Tuten hater.
And then immediately after Chris Rodriguez signed, like I went
back and forth with Sam and I agreed at the time when his ADP
was like 180 that, you know, even though I was a Tuten guy, C
rod was a smash 126. I think it's preposterous.
But so I'm really curious what Tam think Sam thinks currently
on the Rodriguez Tuten price. Yeah, I mean, I don't, I don't
love the 126 price. I still think it's fine though.
For a guy that in my opinion I think has like the slight edge
for like goal line work in Jacksonville with some potential
to have. Like I don't know what the
comparison for a successful fantasy season is like something
like JK Dobbin's role last year, like most of the carries the
goal line role, not really many receptions.
Like I think that's, that's kind of his ceiling and like a fairly
likely outcome. So at 1:26 I I think it's fine.
I no longer think it's like like there was a while even after the
signing where he was hanging around like one seventies, one
80s and I was like, what are we, what are we doing with this?
So yeah, curious what's what's your case for what?
Why is 126 like an egregious? I mean, I, I just, I, I agree
with what you said for the ceiling.
I just completely disagree on the likelihood.
Like I think that's a thin outcome to, to me 126.
Like, so I think of like Brian Robinson two years ago when he
just was the starter in Washington and he was going
around like 110 to 120 range. And I liked him there.
And I got into some like arguments with other people who
were out on him because they were saying he didn't have a
ceiling. And I was like, well, even if he
doesn't have perceiving seeing like he's just like a locked in
starting running back, he's going to get 200, two 150
carries. He's going to get 810 touchdowns
and it's best ball. Like it's not it's not a manage
league. So if you can get that in round
910, that's pretty darn good. My issue is Rodriguez is barely
going cheaper than that range. And I can see that path
happening, but I think for me to pay 126, I need to be like
really confident that's happening.
And I, and I think it's, I think it's just not very likely to
actually happen. And so I'm, I'm really confused
that because I guess like to me, it's like if you win that at
126, you're getting a small win. And I would need to be like 70
to 80% sure that he's getting like 180 to 220 carries and goal
line work to have any interest at that price.
And to me, I think it's like 7030 or 8020, he doesn't get
that kind of a role. So I'm pretty confused at how
confident the market is that he's getting that.
That that's makes sense. I mean, I, I think you've sold
me a bit on being lower on him. I still do think like just
looking at last year and I think in our Twitter exchange, I
brought this up like Chris Rodriguez, 13 games played last
year, he had 45% of the inside the five touches for the
Commanders, 42% of the inside, the 10 Tooting in 15 games
played. So more games played than Chris
Rodriguez, those rates were only 22% inside.
The 515% inside the 10. I just don't really get like,
Chris Rodriguez said. It was like.
Another running back who's currently going around 3 on the
team last year. Yeah, but Washington was using a
committee of running backs, committee of like.
Dog shit player like there was a Travis.
Etienne in Washington last year yeah but is Travis Etienne some
like world beater on the inside like between the tackles rusher
like I I don't think like the threshold of beating out yeah,
that's my point. I guess it's like, I guess I
don't see why do you sign Chris Rodriguez to whatever it is, $12
million, six million guaranteed if you're not planning on using
him in a pretty big inside the five.
Like, literally, because that's Liam Cohen's boy and they want
to have something in reserve in case tootin has funbulitis.
I think it's more the latter part.
Like it's to me C Rod is he's a good player who fits like
clearly Jacksonville is like a is pretty in tune with the the
running back analytics just based on the fact that they they
let. Etienne walk.
Didn't he literally say he like looks at?
Yeah, he did. Which like, yeah, which doesn't
surprise me. I think it was like even a week
ago after their offseason, I was like, this is the most thinking
about thinking pilled front office like I've ever seen
because. Like they draft Tooten new
contact because that's what he can't coach.
Yeah. Like they draft Tooten who was
like this super nerd stat friendly prospect coming out of
college last year. They let Etienne walk who is
like not that like was more of a volume sponge last year.
And then they bring in C Rod, who I I feel torn about because
on one hand, I think he is, like Davis always says, he stinks.
And I disagree with you. I think he's actually quite good
at his role. It's just that his role is so
limited that to me, you don't really want Chris Rodriguez to
be your lead running back unless you truly don't have any other
reasonable option. Like you don't really want a guy
on the field who just broadcasts what?
You're doing, it's the it's the Kareem Hunt.
It's the Kareem Hunt problem for the Chiefs.
Your success rate might be fine, but you're not getting chunk
plays. You're never getting a 27 year
run out of nothing. It's not even about that.
Like Kareem Hunt can pass protect and he can catch passes.
Like the Denver offense is a good example actually, because I
thought one of the most dysfunctional parts of their
offense last year was it felt like they had two different
offenses. They had this like run power
offense with JK Dobbins and then they'd sub him off the field,
bring in Harvey and it would be the spread offense.
And you knew exactly what they were going to do depending on
which running back they had in the game.
And it was just really disjointed.
And I think the hope is Tooting projects as a potentially more
versatile option that you can play on on all your early down
snaps. He can contribute in all phases
of the game. He can be explosive.
He can be in the passing game. And that's a much higher ceiling
offense than where one with C Rod where you're constantly
subbing him on and off the field.
But like, you can't just guarantee that, right?
I'm not saying that's 100% going to work.
Jags can't either. So it makes total sense to go
grab a guy and say, OK, at least now we know like we have a
competent NFL rusher on our team.
But if they get out there in the first couple weeks and C Rod is
doing his thing and Tooten's doing his thing, I think it's
just going to push more to Tooten because I think the
ceiling of your offense with Tooten is your lead back is is
pretty significantly higher, Especially when you look at what
Cohen has done with his running backs in the past.
Like you think about how versatile they were with their
back usage in Tampa with White and Irving and the way they're
using them in the passing game. And then even last year they had
like a Chris Rodriguez type on the roster and Tank Bixby and
they they got rid of him immediately and went with ETN
and Tooten. So it's just it's hard for me to
see how Rodriguez is their ideal start running back.
It's not hard for me to envision that Tooten is like not as good
as he was at Virginia Tech and, you know, doesn't fire.
And so they turn to Rodriguez. That's like very easy for me to
envision. But I think as ADP kind of
implies that that has to happen. Can.
I, I mean, Sam, you're probably ready to talk here.
I just want to say the the Bills lose the playoff game if the
Jaguars give the ball to Basil Tooten more than four times.
He went four for 51. I think sometimes what it sounds
like to me is we get trapped in this kind of situation where
we're looking at last year's whole form or anything like
that. I mean, ETN was an established
starter, as it's been said here, and Washington was terrible.
So it's not to say that all these points aren't valid about
Rodriguez, but what happened in the last game they played, Liam
Cohen might have gone to bed that night thinking, you know,
yeah, we could have just won, won this game on the ground with
our best running back, and I couldn't figure out how to do
it. And then you go into the next
year, I don't think the money really tells me anything about
Rodriguez other than they wanted him.
That's, you know, the bills paid a second for DJ Moore.
Then you get DJ Moore. It's an overpay, but you have
him on your roster. And I think that's maybe what
Jackson did in the free agent sense.
I, I, I don't disagree with that.
And I think some of the reactions to like, like, first
of all, most of what I do on on Twitter shouldn't be taken
seriously. I think some of the reactions
that are like O2 years, 12 million for Chris Rodriguez,
like that started like no running back.
We have those tweets. Yeah, we do have.
This just tell Davis, we have those some of those tweets to
back you up on that. There's no question.
Yeah, but I don't know. It's not a ton of the point I'm
trying to make. It's not a ton of money that
they gave a running back. I'm just not entirely convinced
after what Bashel Tooten did last year.
You had you had a good game in the playoffs against the Bills.
You know, Bill's rushing defense was probably what, one of the
worst five in the NFL last year. Travis ETN also gashed them.
So I guess I'm not like putting too, too much weight into that.
I think he could be talented. It's just I, I don't really
know. He had 83 carries last year,
clearly wasn't trusted very much in pass protection.
And I think if I want like a running back who you know, is
unlikely to be a workhorse, has explosive players and is tied to
a good offense, I can just get DeAndre Swift 5 picks later who
is way more proven I think in his role in Chicago than what
Bashel Tooten is going to be in Jacksonville.
Maybe like that top 10% ceiling outcome is higher for Tooten.
It probably is. But I think in best ball, like
I'm just, I'm not. I don't think Toton's a horrible
pick at 55. I thought he was gonna be a
horrible pick if he rose to like the 3-4 turn, which some people
were saying at 50. 5 This is just This is just the way
fantasy football is played now. The C rod, The C rod signing is
kept Tooting in Shaq like it's he's kept him from zooming
completely out of out of out of proportion.
You have to pay. The.
Tax. Now, you know, we talked about
this last week, Sam, but like this actually coming back to
when you hosted the show, this is Chase Brown versus Zach Moss,
except the prices are flopped. The the, the Chase Brown is
expensive. The Zac Moss is free, except
it's a Zac Moss who can't play on passing downs.
The issue is we just, we price ambiguity differently.
Like now C Rod is actually not going that far behind where
'cause when I made this point a couple weeks ago, C Rod's ADP
was like 155. And so my point is, you know,
they should be closer. They would have been closer.
Now C Rod is actually going like much closer to where Chase Brown
and Zac Moss went. It's just Tootin's going way
further ahead. So like the whole backfield is
just getting priced up more, which I think is, is fair given,
you know, the, the Liam Cohen effect on backfields, but it is
a little tough. I mean, I think the best case
for for for Tootin is he just has exactly what ET NS role is
last year. C Rod has what Tootin's role as
last year and La Quinta Allen's in the exact.
Keep in mind that Travis. ET was what I think is going to
happen. Was like a very, I mean, I think
you'd would you say shaky, underwhelming pass catcher and
the NFL. He had one receiving touchdown
last year in the first three years of his.
He had one receiving touchdown before the beginning of last
year. Three NFL seasons, he was below
8 yards perception. I don't have his yards per out
run up right now, but like he he was not some great pass catching
running backs. The idea that because Tootin
didn't do very much of it as a rookie, he was very good at it.
He had I think 1.81 or 1.61 yards per out run at the
Virginia Tech. I, I'm, I mean, I think the way
this is going to play out is like the most easy to forecast
of all time, which is tooten plays a slightly decreased ETN
role, Chris Rodriguez plays a slightly expanded tooten role
from last year, and the Quinn Allen is Samaj P Ryan or Dari on
the wall get. His own get his own turn in,
because that's what I just said two minutes ago.
Yeah, I, I completely, I just, I just completely agree like.
People just jumped on I. Just think there's, I just think
there's no mystery. There's just, there's just like
literally like I there's. I disagree.
There's a lot of mystery. I think the Jags.
I think there's a lot of mystery.
I think it's, I think it's, they're gonna.
Yeah, I don't think they're just the.
Contingencies. They're gonna see.
They're gonna see what's happening.
I think they're interesting bet to be the best team in the
league. Yeah, I agree with that.
Then we're I don't. Know anything?
I don't know anything about their defense.
It's great. It was great last.
Year, it's gonna be great. They have the best corner in the
league now. Should be due the whom Speaking
of. Whom great, Sam.
No, I just no, no. Travis Hunter is next on the
agenda, so please. Well, were there any other
risers you wanted to talk about? We only talked about one of.
Them, no, for me, not really. You guys can do it.
We kind of covered it, buddy. Some are obvious.
They're veterans. I was more awesome, Sam, because
he he hasn't covered you guys yet while we have.
Well, I mean, we've got 900. I can.
Do like a 30 minute in fair in fairness show if you haven't
covered many of them either because we just scream over the
top of you. So if you want to.
Talk about if that's. I've been talking to my kids
over here on the left the whole time about.
So Davis and I'll just sit in the corner and we get Mike and.
Sam we can take we can just mute Jacob and Davis and we can do a
little one time here. I did I did want to have the I
don't know if you guys have talked about Mike Evans much.
I didn't want to have the conversation about no we.
Saved that for you. We haven't been done.
The guy I, I don't really. So Mike Evans, he's now shot up
in ADP to what, 45? He's like cleared the other
veteran wide receiver, you know that it's similar age but it's
produced better recently in Devante Adams.
He's the head of someone like the younger wide receivers with
pretty solid track records of production last couple years.
Terry McLaren, Jalen Waddle. I guess I just don't like really
understand it. He had a career low in yards for
route run last year at 1.6. You know, nagging injuries once
again, I guess that the collarbone injury certainly you
can can chalk up as sort of a fluke thing.
Maybe maybe don't knock him for that.
But you know, he he's dealt with hamstring injuries, all sorts of
soft tissue stuff over the years.
And then the NFL told us like they don't value him that much.
He got three years, 42 with just 16,000,000 guaranteed.
Like Devante Adams, Stephon Diggs easily cleared that in the
contracts they got last year. Even Cooper Cup, like the late
stage Cooper Cup cleared that and what he got from Seattle
last year. So like maybe you're telling me
that Evans took the compete for a Super Bowl discount in San?
Francisco did that's It's been reported that Tampa offered him
like 20 million more than he took in San Fran.
OK, if that's been, I guess my only counter to that is like,
it's not like Super Bowl contenders weren't shelling out
money at wide receiver this year.
Like the Patriots signed Romeo Dobbs to a huge contract.
The Seahawks signed Rashid Shahid to to more than Evans
made. So like there were other
contenders that looked at Evans and said, now we're good, we'll
take, you know, Rashid Shahid and Romeo Dobbs, right?
So I don't know, maybe maybe Tampa Bay was willing to give
him that, you know, hometown surplus, but I don't think there
were a ton of other teams that were willing to pay him that.
So I guess I'm just like, why, why, why should we be drafting
Mike Evans ahead of like Devante Adams, who just easily out
produced him last year? I I guess I just don't don't
quite get it. Basically because it's Mike
Evans and Shanahan wide receiver one go Burr like honest and and
he yeah I. Don't care because the round 4
is where I take Luther burden so.
Let's go. Yeah, but but Jacob doesn't even
see Evans on his on his. Board I, I only, I only click
members of the Chicago. I only click New York Jets in
round 3 and Bears in round four. It's it's Hall or Wilson every
time in three and then in four every.
Actually it's Smith like half the time.
But if it's not Smith, it's it's Burden or it's Loveland.
So I don't see anyone else. Yeah.
If you're forced to pick between Mike Evans, Jalen Waddle, Terry
Mclaurin, Devonte Adams, Waddle, yeah, OK.
I think brought by a lot. Yeah, I might go Evans over
Adams, though. Like Adams's season was just not
that impressive. Other than that he caught 14
touchdowns, which that's really impressive, but like he only had
760 yards last year. The efficiency to climb was
pretty dramatic. Maybe he just catches another 14
touchdowns, but I thought he fell off to a pretty meaningful
degree overall. Now, so did Evans, but the one
thing that you could say for Evans is he has a plausible path
to be the number one target on the Niners, right?
I mean, I don't really know what to make a pure saw kills coming
off the Achilles. So I think there's some target
for sure that exists for him that Adams I think is capped
into. You're kind of hoping he just
runs back what he had last year, which is distant two to puka,
but catches 12 plus touchdowns. And I think that's plausible.
Yeah, but you need a pretty specific outcome, I think with
him. That's that makes sense.
I almost said that's fair, but I held back.
I I do think that my only point on the Adam singly, I've heard
this brought up a lot like, oh, is is yards per target dropped a
bunch last year. Like when you're literally the
goal line running back for a team at wide receiver and you
catch 14 touchdowns, that's a meaningful amount of targets
that are going to be how many one or two yard catches did he
have for touchdowns last year? Oh, good question.
Oh, a shit ton. A shit ton right, I believe.
I believe 5 inside the three yard line I think was.
Yeah, so like, I don't know, it's like should we be knocking?
Like do we knock like Jerome Bettis's yards per carry when he
used the Steelers goal line back because he scores touchdowns at
the 1 yard line? Like I don't know, to me it's
just like a little bit like he watch Devonte Adams goal line
reps and then tell me he was. Well, I think he's elite.
At that, yeah. I just don't know that he has
the rest of the profile still there.
Like his his deep target efficiency last year was bad.
And so I, I think he is I, I don't think he's fallen off in
all facets of the game. I just think some of the some of
the deep and intermediate stuff isn't really where it used to
be. I don't think he's like and even
I mean, frankly, even if he was still is good to good enough to
be a target. A dominant wide receiver 1 like
Kook is earning like 36% target run.
So there's not really that much room available for another one.
But I don't know. I've taken Adams.
I haven't been like a full fade on Adams.
I've taken more of him than Evans just because Evans goes
too close to Smith, Loveland, Burden, who are huge, yeah, huge
targets for me. 14 touchdown catches for Mike Evans since the
start of 20247 were from 2 yards or less.
Yeah. Not gonna not gonna be good for
the arts for target on the spreadsheet, but we'll take the
we'll take the goal line running back, a wide receiver on our
fantasy teams. Crucially, that's pretty good.
Christian McCaffrey might like a piece of that.
Next year he was basic. He was basically Christian
McCaffrey last year. Yeah, while we pivot to Hunter,
let me just say quickly, Oh yeah, tomorrow on the channel
Dynasty rookie mock draft, Ron Stewart, Ryan Heath, Blair
Andrews and Pete. So look for that.
Hunter is a good one also to talk about any what do we got
here? I mean, I just found this poll
last week so infuriating just from like the perspective of
literacy because we've all known what the deal was with Hunter.
I mean, obviously there's ambiguities within ambiguities,
but big picture, we've kind of all known the deal since
January. Like they extended Jacoby
Parker, Washington had a huge breakout.
And so we've all known like if they don't trade Brian Thomas,
which looks like they won't, that he's he's wide receiver
four and he also plays cornerback.
So he's probably going to play more cornerback and they let
Greg Newsome walk. So the like big picture I think
has always been pretty clear now whether a full time corner, part
time wide receiver means 40% routes or 20% routes, like who
knows? You know, what's the contingency
plan on if there's an injury at wide receiver and he's playing
full time corner, can he play 80% routes at wide receiver and
80% snaps at corner? Like we don't know.
There's a lot of unknowns. But the big picture I think has
been completely the same this whole offseason.
It's just that this Evan Sidery goofball like aggregated a
Rappaport like news hit with completely made-up words where
he like instead of saying what Rappaport said, which was full
time corner, part time wide receiver, which is the same
thing that Schefter said. It's the same thing that Cameron
Wolf reported in January. He just said gadget and he said
he won't be playing both ways. So he just overstated it to get
engagement. It worked.
Everybody gave him his engagement and then like all of
a sudden these like goofs get on an NFL Network and are like just
repeating this game of telephone from a wrongly reported report.
So it was really weird. The only thing about.
Before you continue, the only thing I would disagree with
about Rappaport is that it was intentional.
I don't think. I think every one of his tweets
comes with some sort of, you know, platitude at the end.
I don't think he was doing it for clicks.
I think that's. Just I don't think what
Rappaport said is bad. I'm I'm saying what what Evan
Cidery, the guy who like aggregated the wrap up because
Rappaport said it in a news hit. He didn't even have an initial
tweet about it. He just said it like on a in a
video form. And then Cidery was like, Ian
Rappaport just said that he's no longer playing both ways.
He'll be a full time quarterback with a few gadget plays at
receiver. It's like that's not actually
what Ian Rappaport said. And so that everybody went went
riled with that. So yeah, I'm.
I'm giving him my cidery eye. Yeah.
I mean, I don't know, I. Insider.
I'm totally fine drafting Travis Hunter like the price tag of
160, but I'm curious what Sam thinks.
I I'm also pro hunter like I sure not as much as you are
Jacob, but I if you know he stays at 15160, I definitely
would want to be above weight. I do think it's like probably
most of his outcomes now where he matters.
We probably need like an injury for him to be like a big hit.
I still think he can be like a decent sized hit even without
injury. I certainly think Brian Thomas
trade probably not completely impossible now though it seems a
lot less likely. I think Parker Washington really
coming from doing nothing in his first two years in the NFL
career, wouldn't surprise me if he just crashes back down to
earth next year and is is sidelined.
A bit. You can't.
You cannot tell people on the Internet that Parker Washington
has fucking legions of fans, buddy.
He he's the most beloved. Player in the NFL.
He. He is the most beloved player in
the NFL right now, Jacob. Well, the people there's Kate
Travis Hunter, like it's not even just a fantasy thing.
Like like even taking fantasy out of it completely.
I mean, let's say he's never remotely useful fantasy player
for the rest of his career. The amount of people that have
like spent the whole offseason just dunking on the the Jaguars
trade and being like this proves like biggest worst trade of all
time, biggest draft bust of all time.
Like, like it's, it's just people have complete Travis 100
arrangement syndrome. Like, he played half a season
and then he tore his knee and then he's gonna play this.
I don't know. What if he's just an awesome
cornerback? And what if he's Pat Sir Tan and
then he's also chips in a little wide receiver?
We're sure that's the worst draft pick of all time.
Seems a little early to say to me.
It's all down. It's all downstream of of Dion
hate and Colorado Buffaloes hate and like ESPN hate, like
manufactured consent. People hate manufactured consent
these days. I agree with.
This ton of manufactured consent on the like, no one gave a shit
about Colorado Buffalo's football, but every time you
looked at the TV you had to hear about.
It's why. It's honestly why people have
such a visceral reaction to Chadur, who, like, is kind of
just your run-of-the-mill day three quarterback who got some
starts for a shitty team. Like, what's the difference
between Shitter Sanders and Nick Mullens?
You know, his famous daddy? Like, that's it.
And so I think it's all I, I, in my opinion, it's all like a
cultural artifact of how people resent the media and the way
that they are served content these days, of which Travis
Hunter never really asked to be a part of.
He just wanted, like, Travis Hunter is not really a part of
this. Like, he is not a big
braggadocious guy. I mean, maybe you don't like the
Adidas commercial with Travis Hunter, which also seems pretty
harmless, right? I mean, it's just him having fun
with his buddy. I I don't really understand it.
I've always found Travis Hunter endearing.
I like his bit of like, aw shucks, I'm just a guy.
I like to fish and play video games, whatever.
But yeah, people really hate it. Is that the Lawrence ad?
Yeah, the the Adidas I never. Knew what that was for.
But it's Adidas. It's like a song.
It's like he. No, I know the ad.
I just never knew what it was for.
One of my superpowers is not paying attention to what these
things are for. I know the ad.
Yes, you have but. I love not knowing what that was
an ad for. I hope the VP marketing for
Adidas isn't watching this program.
I get fired tomorrow. There goes.
Ultimately my opinion is this is that every time I've been doing
best ball and fantasy football for a long time, I would guess
the side that under reacts to the swing on these things wins
what 85% of the time? Like the idiots who were
drafting Travis Hunter wherever the fuck we were drafting him
last year. Dumbest people alive Fading him
at 1:50 or 160 or 170 wherever he is this year.
Just as dumb. Like maybe even Dumber because
the price is is cheaper. I I still maintain he absolutely
smashes the whole second-half of last season.
If he doesn't get hurt, no, we were, we were.
We were probably wrong because we were unable to.
I honestly, I think the reason we were wrong is that we were
unable to forecast how much the the how intricate the Liam Cohen
offense was. And because the Colorado offense
was so basic, there was a like the Jaguars led the NFL in pre
snap motion penalties before their bye week.
And Hunter, the coaches had said this multiple times.
It's like he's got a lot on his place.
He's trying to learn both. He's wait, he's behind the other
guys. Yeah, I do think there was a lot
of weirdness. Felt like even weirder arguably
than the Hunter season last year was the Brian Thomas season,
going from like a top top three rookie wide receiver season of
all time to like. Oh, depends.
It depends on who you want to believe.
But and this somehow is not being talked about Jacob.
I mean, maybe this is being talked about in your dynasty
fantasy football circles, but it's not being talked about in
mine. He got that wrist injury really
early on that was apparently super painful.
So he it just was like almost like and the wrist I think
healed over time, but it was like a mental thing of like, I
just don't want to be smoked in the middle of the field.
That's why it's why he kept. I mean, it did look like the
Gator arms. Yes, it definitely looked like
he, it definitely looked like he had the yips because he was so
afraid to get smoked over the middle.
And I mean, look, God love Trevor Lawrence.
The man loves a freaking hospital ball, you know.
That well speaking, that's the other thing too.
Like people also love hating on Trevor Lawrence.
So it's like a whole like confluence of like people that
people like to hate on. And also, let's be real.
Because Trevor, let's be real, out last year and he's going to
be awesome. For I just channel all my hate
at base shelt too and that's how I approach the Jaguars
situation. Yeah, you hate like that.
And also now people hate too and like they're like just they're
like the slappy team. So everybody hates the How are
you playing the Jags, Sam? Like I'm getting the sense you
might not be the biggest Parker Washington fan.
Are you in on Thomas? Are you in on Myers?
Like are you in on because it is interesting.
Like they there's such a weird team where they win 13 games
last year, their offense over the the second-half of the year
straight fire. But there's no one that's that
expensive. It's it's Tooting in round 5,
Parker round 6, Brian Thomas round 6, Myers round 7 and then
and then Strange in Hunter Light.
Yeah, I I've mostly been playing it through Thomas Hunter and
Chris Rodriguez, which we don't have to talk about again.
But Rodriguez, I think Brian Thomas, this is what I've been
working on his little side project this offseason.
I think, Jacob, you actually have this point in like a month
ago, I was ADP chasing where you said figuring out the year 3
wide receivers is going to be like the key to fantasy
football. Because I, I think there's so
much truth in that, like a Doonese, Brian Thomas, Ladd
Mcconkey, Marvin Harrison, even the leak neighbors with the, the
injury, like there's so many kind of unique Special
Situations going on with all these guys that I really want to
figure out how to play. I think with like Mcconkey and
Brian Thomas, the question is like how should we think about
wide receiving? Why is LADS so much more
expensive than BTJ? Has anyone been able to logic
that one out? Because I think #1.
Less target competition plus Mike McDaniel, even though Liam
Cohen's the lead as well. People are giving him the like
Mike McDaniel boost in a way that, like Thomas is not getting
the Liam Cohen boost, I think. But anyways, like, how do you
treat guys that had top five rookie wide receiver seasons
ever in terms of like yards to route run efficiency over the
last decade who like completely cratered to pedestrian numbers
in year 2? It's it's kind of like almost an
unanswerable question because there's not a lot of historical,
not a lot of guys who've done it.
Yeah. Like Chase, I tried to look kind
of Chase Claypole, but he wasn't nearly as good as that.
A. Little yeah, I mean, there's
been there's been plenty of rookies that have been like
elite if you just look at like the per out stuff yes and then
fell off yeah, like Christian Watson had this crazy rookie
year and then fell off the next year and Clay pulls under one.
But in terms of receivers who were actual full time players
for all or almost all of their full rookie season, like for the
most part, if they're that good, you're one they just turn into
superstars. I mean, it's also worth being
said like Thomas was, I mean obviously a really good
prospect, but was not like the caliber.
More, well, Lad. Lad had holes as a prospect too.
And Lad, that's just like, fairly played.
Yeah, yeah. So yeah, that's what I was going
to say. Like both Thomas and Mcconkey
were like, we're we're surprisingly elite rookies
compared to their prospect profile, but then even more
surprisingly bad in year 2 compared to year one.
So yeah, I don't know. Like I've said, I think it's the
most important question in fantasy.
I still don't have an answer. Yeah, I don't either.
But I do think that probably one of these guys is gonna be a
league winner, and I think a couple of them are gonna be
crappy. But yeah, it's interesting.
Thomas just feels like the best, like, to me right now, at least
the best price adjusted bet out of that cohort of guys.
Like just 'cause you have to pay a lot more for Mcconkey and like
Thomas is, yeah, like, at least on a it didn't.
Another first round wide receiver from that class who is
even cheaper or sorry. Oh, enough about Xavier.
Worthy enough? Oh God.
He's the only one with the legitimate excuse.
He's the only one. He's the only one who actually
has an excuse. Sam hasn't been podcasting with
Davis enough recently where like he didn't actually know who
you're referring to. But I it was within about .1
seconds, you know, Jacob another.
I was like, oh, it's that short little squib on Kansas City.
You're right about that. You weren't even with us yet.
The first thing Davis told Sam when we hooked up was like, you
got to change that room around. You got to get rid of that
mirror in the back. You got to get the lights wrong.
He starts rearranging Sam's house before we even started.
Jacksonville's going to be so good.
One play against the Bills. Don't they go to Denver and win?
Don't they beat New England? I mean they they just were that
close last. Year.
Oh thank God. Thank God dude.
Marion hack versus a mystery competitor.
So good. Who is this?
Who is it? Sam.
Who is it? Say his name?
Say his name. Charlotte T Higgins.
Is this is this one Don't. You.
It's T Higgins. What?
Oh did he have like 2 carries
last year? How?
How many carries? It's, it's keep, it's, it's,
it's, it's my guy. It's Mr. it's Mr. Missile.
I I mean. Keith Mitchell is the T Higgins
of 2020, you know. He is.
I hope. I hope to get him on every
single show. Surely Sam's on Team me and Pat
here, right? Like this would be the craziest
heel turn of all time if Sam comes on the program and he's.
Actually, it would be I'm I'm honestly on baited breath.
I'm I'm on the Jacob and Pat's side.
I wish I could join. Come on man.
He did have something like I always love looking at his
rookie year stats where he had like 9.4 yards per carry on like
80 carries, or I'm paraphrasing a little bit, but it's something
insane like that. A real Davis stat right there
where it's like directionally accurate but overstated.
It's a little bit of a lie, but it's actually less of a lie than
you think. It's less of a lie than than the
haters think. Keaton Mitchell's rookie season
he did average 8.4 yards per carry, 40. 9 yards, 49.
Yards per game. They had a home game that they
won by 40 where he busted one late and just took over the
backfield because they were so far ahead, and then he for his
ACL right in a game shortly thereafter and that was it for
Mitchell. Yep.
And then it was and then it was curtains and then he was really
poor in his return in 2024. They they honestly did really,
they did really try to get him going.
Like you could see there was a concerted effort to make him a
part of the offense last year and he still until the back half
of the year, he got better at the start of the year.
He he was not he was not 100%. You could just see.
Yeah, for sure. He wasn't quite there.
I. I mean, maybe I'm just not being
creative enough, but I, I, I think I kind of land with Jacob
and Pat on like what is the, what is the comparison of sort
of like a package player, explosive rusher that doesn't
play in the receiving game that like.
There is there the the the comparison is from the fucking
offense that the courts just left.
Most of it's Hampton. The most infuriating thing to me
is that Davis Davis likes so many of the same running backs
that I do for different reasons. And like Tootin is 1 where he
had like a lot of fancy nerd sats but he was also really
fast. And then HN is another one,
probably the biggest one where like I liked him for like volume
based production reasons. Well, HNHN is no no no on HN.
So sometimes the the the Venn diagram overlap, we're we're.
Simpatico on HN because the thing that we both liked about
him was that he doesn't know he's small.
He he plays as if he is Omari in Hampton's size.
That's the thing that I liked about HN.
Right. But Keaton, But you said
Keaton's better, So what does he bring to the table?
He's just he's our generation's Chris Johnson.
The thing the thing that Keaton Mitchell brings to the table is
is that is that when Mike McDaniel draws up his fancy
bullshit run to the edge, flip it around, scoop Dee Doo
misdirection. That is going to Keaton
Mitchell, not Amari and Hampton. And it's definitely not going to
Kimani Bidel, who is, you know, Jacob famously and thinking
about thinking you had the P Rhine line for a while.
I. Samaj P Line.
The Samaj P line correct So now that P Ryan I think is he might
just be done because he's not I think he's.
Still on the P line isn't he? With the Bengals, he got a two
year. Contract.
He's an unrestricted free agent, isn't he?
Or maybe they resigned him. Oh, is he still on the Bengals?
I thought he signed A2 year last?
Year. Bengals are.
Like Wikipedia says, he's still on the Bengals, for what it's
worth. I have him on Spotrac right now
he is under contract but he signed A2 year.
Deal last year. You know what that actually?
Makes me feel on. That makes me feel a lot better
about Chase Brown. About about Chase Brown.
Yeah, P Ryan, by the way, undrafted and he's a steal.
You can get him anytime. You want?
Yeah, actually, I'm gonna start. I was just talking about how
disgusting these late round running backs are, like Semaj P
Ryan. Welcome to the 20th round,
Knicks buddy. Yeah, people are out here
drafting DJ Giddens. You know who's going to come?
On come on E Fidel is he is now. He's now transformed himself
into Gen. Z Somash P line.
Yeah, he's, he's a total P line. For come on, E Vidal's a good
Dick too. Sure.
Agreed. Hey guys, you guys in your lack
of imagination, man. I, I mean, I have an imagination
like I, I think that Keaton is going to play a role for the
Chargers clearly. I just think it's like a a very
limited role that has very little contingency outside.
See, so the I think like honest to God, if I'm being serious, we
that's where we disagree. We disagree on what would happen
were Amari and Hampton to miss time.
You the, the, you know, the more conservative faction of the ship
chasing extended universe would say it would be, it would be
Kimani Bidel who would get the step up in playing time and I
say it would be Keaton Mitchell and I.
Could, I mean, I think they, I think they both would, but I, I
do think Vidal was just like a little bit too good last year
when he had to step up into the Hampton roll for him not to get
the first crack. I think so.
I think he's going. To they paid Keaton.
OK, they paid Keaton five times. What Rashad White is making does
that? Is that convincing to anyone?
That actually, well, not. Really, until you learn what
Rashad White is making, it's a little.
Bit yes, that's why I. Bring it.
I don't think it look, I mean I. Didn't say the numbers.
Like every every shitty running back that got more money this
year than Rashad White was just like it.
It gave me one more degree of happiness.
Like as like. When it when Emmanuel Wilson
came in. Emmanuel Wilson.
Yeah, just. We want you.
How much do you want? OK, fine.
You're the guy we want. That's it.
I'm more distracted by the idea of the more conservative wing of
the ship chasing or the fancy football community.
What that exactly looks like? What does the?
Ball name of Back in football community, I would say I'm I
have to be the the most slappy right.
I have to be the furthest well left.
This is why it's a spectrum. Davis is like you're the
slappiest, but you're not necessarily the furthest left.
Like you're, you're the most middle slappy because there's
there's right wing slap like as we went over last year, right,
the most right wing slappy player last year was Tank
Bigsby. And then the middle slappy is
like Jameson Williams. Your left wing slappies are your
facial tunes. Well, Sam, you've been invited
without me asking you. But after the draft set aside
about two to three hours, me, you and Davis are doing a full a
full podcast to reveal the 2026 slapses.
So. You'll we should, we should do
that, yeah. Yeah, Parker Washington will be
featured heavily on that one. Oh my huge Parker Washington is
gonna be the top of him and Alec Pierce are the top of the right
wing. Slappy for.
Sure, Kyle. Manunga, Michael.
Wilson Oh, Kyle. My God.
Big time. I'm I'm a Michael.
I've never been happier to not be invited to a.
Party I I have never I have never seen these photos, Jacob,
can you? Kristen Hall and actually also
got an invite to that show. We'll see if he makes time for
us. What is happening with these
photos? Shoop, do you know what's?
Happening not. No idea, Jonah.
Coleman, what's going on? Lately, both supposed to be him.
Are these both fans? I don't know.
I don't know either. I don't know.
I didn't get some on this I. Assume they are taken from
different perspectives because you can see you can see the line
on the wall. So the photos are just taken
from different perspectives. The question is, is wait
purposely trying to look fat in the first one?
That's Mike, Leonie and Herzig, right?
Is this what Zach is doing to us here?
I just, I, I, I'm, I'm stunned, I'm, I have not seen these.
It's it's completely stunning to me.
If you Google Jonah Coleman shirtless, which we all have,
we. All have done.
That we all have. We've all done this.
There is something from the Washington Huskies UW Doghouse
Facebook page that says sure, Gretchen knows all about that,
Says it's a before and after of him preparing for the combine,
allegedly, but he's a different height.
What's? What's going on?
It's a line. The line is a key vector here.
Yeah. I mean, I guess he, I guess he
got, I guess he got swole. I don't know.
I think it's a probably an optical illusion in terms of
like how that he looks. Short, I mean.
Well, he's clearly doing like a bodybuilding pose in the second
one, yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, all I know about Joe. I don't know.
I like Jonah Coleman. It cost like some people are
taking Chris Rodriguez ahead of him.
I wouldn't do that. Jonah Coleman is just purely on
vibes. You guys know I don't do a ton
of my own prospect research. Just purely on vibes from
listening to the fantasy community and listening to more
film guys like Mike Renner or whoever, guys like that.
Jonah Coleman is the most like Eno Benjamin, ass player of all
time that the fantasy community loves an NFL draft I think is
going to hate and he's going to. I don't think that's.
Totally true, I think. I think that's more like, I
don't think that's true. I think Jonah Coleman is just
the the rookie version of like the running back that ship
chasing is going to hate in three years.
Yeah, Like, I think he's going to be the David Montgomery,
Javonte Williams from Andre Stevenson guy who like we all
despise in three years, but we'll draft as a rookie.
But he also might be, he also might be the Zach Moss, Royce
Freeman, like guy who never does anything.
But he's he can't be the he can't be the, you know, Benjamin
because he's so slow. Like he might not.
He might not be faster than a 47.
Sure. I was just trying to make the
point of like the production versus the draft capital, but
OK, he's actually, yeah, pick 99 on the consensus big board.
That's actually better than I think it's been a recent week.
So maybe he'll get day three, round four capital.
That could be fine. He's been falling like when this
when when it first opened, he was predicted to go like round
two and then he didn't work out at the combine and then he
didn't work out at the pro day, which.
Like I see wonder why all? Swole for nothing and it was
like apparently it was apparently due to like an ankle
injury that he missed 0 games with.
So I I've called a cap on that. No, no, no, no, no.
As someone as someone who watches college football, it's
real. It's real.
He did legitimately have an ankle injury.
Well, I know he got an injury and played through it, but like
he got an injury that he can't work out at the Columbine five
months later, that's he was unlikely.
Well, Jordan Tyson did it. Yeah, that's the but he missed
anyways. Why ever?
Work I, I think he's slow, but and so he's been falling.
But if he goes round four, it's, I mean, to me it's all just
landing spot. If you go in round four, like if
he goes round 4 to a spot where he could like theoretically
become the starter, then I think that's pretty fun.
But if you go Round 4, you know, and you're like drafted to the
Colts or something, well then it's just over.
It's game over. What are what are the good
spots? Seattle side for sure.
Seattle and then Washington probably #2 Minnesota.
I think Minnesota maybe Minnesota's number 2 actually.
Dallas running back 2 handcuff Mahengevante.
That's not bad. Denver, I mean, that's.
Totally. I think Cincinnati is pretty
fun. Cincinnati, yeah, there's
there's some solid, I mean Detroit, I guess could use a
running back too. That's not the notion side
Angel. Could definitely use one.
The Titans could just be totally done with the Pollard Spears
thing and draft one of these guys and stardom.
Green Bay 49ers 5. Or whatever.
Green Bay. Green Bay really needs a running
back too. That's a good that's.
A good one show I haven't heard anyone.
Green Bay Niners. There's a good one.
A lot of teams have guys who are about to age out.
We keep waiting. Philadelphia.
Baltimore. I mean, the Giants like, yeah,
Scataboo might just be kind of injured.
So I I still wouldn't close the door on that one.
Interesting in dynasty to play the mid running back prospects
because there is going to be a turnover in the next year or two
and you know if any of them is good.
Complimentary role grows from there.
Here's the list of fallers, Bucky Irving, Hunter Hampton
Coleman, Terry Mclaurin, Juan Jennings still without a team,
Keyshawn Booty, Kenyan Sadiq and Quentin Johnston.
Any favorites, Sam? I'm, I'm starting to like Sadiq
actually a little bit at 1:37. I think he's slowly been
falling. I do think an interesting thing
with him, like if you listen to a lot of sort of analytics
based, you know, fantasy football podcast, like people
constantly hammer on him as if, as if he's like one of the worst
producing tight ends of all time.
I thought this was an interesting nugget from JJ
Zachary Sins draft guide, prospect guide.
Everyone should check that out. He actually has Sadiq.
You know he has this score called breakout score which is
like age adjusted production. Read the guy to figure out
exactly what the details are. But he actually has Sadiq as an
86th percentile breakout score. You combine that with the round
one draft capital and like I think people are underestimating
because he is an early declare. I think people are like double
counting that against him. Like you look at just his yards
for route run through three seasons of of college football.
This is from David Gautieri on Twitter.
If you just took like the first three seasons of a player's
college career, Sadiq actually has higher yards for route run
than Trey McBride and Tyler Warren, guys who were later
deemed like analytic starlings because they had Year 4 Tyler
Warren. Was not a fucking analytic
Starling. Not my analytics.
Tyler Warren's. Like sure, sure.
But I'm not saying you guys are are the ones doing this, but
some people saw Tyler Warren as an analytics darling because he
had an unreal late, late breakout, right?
And same thing with Trey McBride.
I think it's fair to say he was an analytics darling at the
tight end position. And Sadiq, Sadiq was told by the
NFL like, hey, you're going to get drafted in the first half of
the NFL draft. You're, you know, if you're
worth that to an NFL team and he came out, I don't think we
should be like punishing his college production because of
that. So anyways, long way of saying
at like 140, I think it's getting to the point where like
shouldn't we just bet on the talent and draft capital at that
point? I don't know if you're a college
football guy, any concerns at all.
He wasn't the best tight end on his team.
Is this like a Kyle Pitts getting out of these bucket
areas? Tony stuff.
No, this is like, this is like Kyle Pitts getting out.
Produced by another version of Kyle Pitts.
Did he get out? Is this true?
Can, in fact it's. Pretty true.
It's not true in the gross stats but it's it's directionally
accurate. So as a sophomore or or was it a
red shirt fresh whatever. His second year out of high
school he only ran I think it was 150 ish routes and he had
posted a 2.1 yards per row which is a really strong start and
that was behind Terrence Ferguson last year.
He runs the most routes on his team.
I think it was 342 routes and then OH said some of my mic's
inputs changed. Yeah, you are.
You are on your wrong mic. Input we can hear you, but it
changed. We can hear you, but it just
sounded softer. This fixed.
OK, I'll fix it when I finish this point.
So he jumps up to about 350 routes next year.
He has 1.62 yards per out run. So he gets exposed in a bigger
role. He has to do more kind of wide
receiver asked things and all of a sudden we get much worse
production. Jamari Johnson, who produced him
2.42 to 1.62 yards per out run on fewer routes.
So he was the second most efficient tight end at AT.
World. OK, I see.
Yeah. I, I don't know.
I mean, I just again, I'm not you guys are far more in the
leads than prospects stuff. I just kind of like zoom out and
like trust guys like JJ sometimes like 86 percentile
breakout age for tight end go in the first half of the NFL draft.
We're only paying what pick 140 for him now?
And your guys like Isaiah Likely and like late stage Mark
Andrews, like I just think the the bet is getting tilted
towards upside a bit with Siddiq at at this point, but we'll see
where he lands. I so I take him, I take him
under the, you know, under the ideation that draft capital is
just going to be the largest answer.
Interestingly enough, when I was doing all this research with
honestly with Claude, code tight end was the only position where
positive correlation existed between Ras and future fantasy
points, both in terms of top 12 seasons, top six seasons, first
three years, fantasy points per game, career fantasy points per
game. So coming in like Sadiq for me
would have been a guy if he was a first round pick, but it was
like he was like a good wrasse but not like a great wrasse.
You know, like oh, oh, another 8.99 wrasse tight end, like
perfectly cromulent, but not anything to write home about.
I probably would have been more bearish.
But when he came in with that, I mean, I believe he's literally
like 9 wrasse. I was like, OK, well, I'm going
to, I'm going to buy on this because some team is going to
take him around 1. And honestly, something that's
really different now about tight ends, we talk, Crane talks about
this all the time. Like tight ends develop weird.
Which is true. The way you don't from from
other positions is teams are so much smarter about contracts
now. You just can't.
You can't really red shirt guys in the NFL anymore unless they
can't play. I, I think it's, I mean, I, I
wrote extensions about Sadiq the other day.
I would encourage people if they wanted to check it out.
I'm fine with this price in basketball now.
By the way I wasn't really taking him cuz he when it opened
I think he was the only even ahead of Travis Kelsey which I
thought was hard for me to stomach but he's now.
Going yeah, I would take Kelsey. I think he's.
Going behind Goddard. So I'm OK with him now cuz I
I'll take him ahead of everybody he's going ahead of now.
But I do think like we've had just a really rare run of
productive tight ends entering the NFL that is kind of skewed
how much maybe we should change early tight end production like
the Laporta, Fannin, Bowers, McBride run of players who just
came into the league Loveland with like legitimate wide
receiver skills and really strong yards for team pass temp
profiles. I think is it is just way, way,
way better than the caliber from a production perspective of
tight ends who are getting taken in round one in the era of like
OJ Howard, David and Joku Noah fan TJ Hawkinson.
Like it's just it's pretty night and day.
And so I do wonder if we kind of over index on some of the
athleticism stuff under indexed on some of the more production
wide receiver skill stuff. And so I don't know, I'm a
little bit bearish on Siddiq, but not not really at this cost.
I mean, he's going, he's going later than like Omar Cooper is.
I think right now in ADP or the very least, they're crossing 2
ships in the night so. Even Kincaid, dare I say it was
this. He didn't play enough snaps, but
he produced for whatever it was, yards per route run and it
wasn't on the field enough. I mean, that's the interesting
thing with Sadiq is he I think has now.
I don't know if he can do this in his rookie season, but if if
we like go dynasty mode for just a second, I think he has two
paths to being a big hit. Is my mic better by the way now?
I think I should, yeah. Yeah.
He fixed it. OK, so he like there's kind of
two paths really to being like a legit starting tight end.
Like either you are good enough at blocking to play Y and then
you're gonna run all the routes. Or.
You have to be such a good receiver that you're essentially
replacing a receiver and you're forcing your team to play 12%
all the time, which is like the Brock Bowers path.
I think Sadiq like like Stowers is clearly path to right.
Like if he's not a good enough receiver, he's never playing
because he's never going to be blocking in line.
That's the Dalton Kincaid kind of archetype.
I think Sadiq has a more plausible path to hitting both.
He's just a little small at 2:41, but he's super physical.
If he can put on like 5 lbs, I could see him playing in line.
And he's raw as a road runner. And, you know, the production is
limited, but he's so ridiculously athletic that, you
know, you can at least talk yourself into some development
where he's one of the youngest prospects entering the league at
the position in a while. So I think there's multiple
paths. Long term.
I'm a little bit more skeptical that he just hits the ground
running year one as a huge producer because I, I just don't
know what the role is. But I mean, yeah, like you said,
we're getting a very cheap bet on him now as he's falling.
For sure. All right.
I think those are all good points.
Yeah, I would be, I would be surprised like based on his
profile if he's like a star as a rookie in the way that Loveland
Warren to some extent were, even if it was kind of limited routes
for for Loveland. But yeah, it's just it's just a
price thing for me. Like I think he opened at like
1-10 ish something like that. He's just like slowly been
creeping down more and more to a point where he's starting to
look attractive to me. Similarly to Bucky, for me, he
was a guy I wasn't even seeing in my like queue and this thing
opened and now I've taken him more and more.
We got to move pretty fast here to get home in time.
Any favourites for you guys among the rookie risers here?
Concepcion Buffalo we talk about every day.
I bet the same as in Kansas City and a few other places,
everybody. 'S not baby.
Welcome welcome everyone. Welcome to the Jaden OT.
If renaissance, if Jaden OT can just get drafted, it'll make my
day. Please, please NFL.
Getting drafted Speaking of Speaking of like windhorse thing
and and and manufactured consent, there's just really is
no reason for like why is Jay Knot's name given his final
season in Oklahoma? Why is he even like why is he
even being mentioned? Why are scouts even talking
about him like the only reason his?
Name is 45% of his mentions. We're doing a good job, we're
fighting, we're fighting a good fight.
The first I've ever. Can Davis, Maddock and I get Jay
not drafted? Let me let me say yes, let me
say on on Stribling, I I like, I do not care.
I'm out on this guy and he is fast.
He is fast, but I like he is. Stribling is the most Aryan
Smith fucking prospect of all time.
Yeah, he. Is I kind of was in just to the
name de Deson Stribling Deson Stribling.
I mean he. Was he?
Was like. He was like legitimately like
the wide receiver 3 for like the worst team in the Big 12 in
2024. Like you like a serious non
prospect. Is he gone Stribling?
Are there any rookies that you do like Sam, I know you're like
not, you know, grinding the all 22, but are there any of these
guys or anyone off the sheet that you've been clicking a lot?
I mean, I I have been, which is not like a unique take because
everyone says it like the second round projected wide receivers
that are going for free like Brazell, Brazil, I guess.
Sorry, Brazil. It's Brazil.
Jeremy, Jeremy or Jeremy Bernard?
I was like, oh, Jeremy Bernard is such a fucking Sam Sherman.
Ass pick. I heard, I heard Romeo Dobbs,
and I was like, I'm all the way. Fucking let's go.
Hearst got to be. One of Chris Bell, Chris Bell.
So it's interesting to me because he's like his draft
capital is probably even being discounted by the injury like as
like a back half bet. I do think there's probably risk
like and how Jameson Williams was basically like red shirted
as a rookie. You could see that with someone
coming up at torn ACL. But I kind of like Chris Bell,
the running backs I've been just I I don't know, man, it's
probably dumb. Like I probably should be taking
more chances on the rookie running backs hoping to bank the
Seattle thing. But like I've just been playing
it through Charbonnet, which is potentially, potentially dumb.
I'm not sure. But the rookie running backs
just all seems so bad from everything I've heard.
So I don't know, man. We'll see.
I've had such a hard time with Sharps because usually if I'm
looking at running back around where he goes, it's because I've
neglected it too much so far. And then I'm like, is sharps
helping me because he's not going to play for like 8 weeks
and then it's just that I end up picking someone else.
But I I agree that there's a plausibility that he that he
ends up being a huge hit down the stretch, especially if they
draft like Mike Washington, who stinks at. 32 Yeah,
aforementioned Sam tweets about the Jaguars.
We've kind of covered it pretty well, but that's here.
I was, I was drunk when I when I said that so.
Few more. Where are you at on Where are
you? At On Your Boy Burden this year.
I'm taking him, but I got to say I'm a little biased.
Yeah, I honestly. You did lend me $2,000,000.
Pete said this in our chat and he said you were so likely to
hit and run. Burden say thanks for the two
mil but I can't possibly justify.
Can I? I didn't think about, yeah, go
ahead. Mike, sorry, Sam, there is one
question I've wanted to ask you that isn't about prospects.
When you won, did I mean you probably over time, you know, of
course processed it. Did you ever think about like
not playing anymore? Was there a thought to all
right, well, I've hit and or maybe you just love it so much
that what happens when you win life changing money?
Do you think like that was it or do you want to just sort of
double down on it or what? That's a good question.
I, I didn't because I was immediately drafting an NFC
championship game, the big board, watching the Davis Maddox
stream. So I maybe did consider it for a
couple days. But no, man, I'm, I'm, I'm too
hooked on, I'm too hooked on fantasy.
I mean, it, it sounds like insane to say because I won
$2,000,000, but like, it's not about the money.
It's about the community, you know, It's about the friends you
make along the way. And that's what the people tried
to tell me about like the NFT horses.
I think that was actually about the money.
No, but it turns out, turns out it is.
Honestly, it's about the addiction and it's a great.
Addiction. It's about the addiction, Yeah.
And it helps me, helps me work out.
Like I do a bunch of, like, cardio club while I'm drafting,
like, helps me, you know, like, throw away some money while I'm
making myself healthier. So it all, yeah, it all comes
out in the wild. It's an incentive to run.
It helps to get you on the treadmill.
Sure. OK.
Exactly. Thanks for thanks for taking my
call. Are we at last call?
Maybe. No, not.
Not quite. It's hey, and it's not even
called that yet. You got to wait a couple in a
couple weeks. I know last call is this.
Is this the last week of the tip out?
Are we doing a show next week or are we just doing the draft
stream? I Pete's probably the person to
ask about. That I, I, I, I'm just going to
say I can't, I can't be, I can't be up past my bedtime 2, two
nights in a week. So we're just going to do the
draft stream. OK, I have AI have a board
meeting for the local circus actually on Tuesday, so I was
potentially not gonna be able to be available anyway.
I hope to be at an NHL playoff game.
That'll be. Fine.
Is that real? The circus part of the playoff
game, the Sabers making the playoffs is more like is more
unlikely. But yeah, I am actually on the
board of directors of the Vancouver Circus.
Are you? Do you perform in the circus?
No, no, certainly not. Not yet, but it's sort of the
long game, I'm sure. Or just to to get Jacob on a on
a unicycle at some point. Am am I stepping in for Pat
here? We allowing that or let's
please. You can you can make an honorary
pick, but. Only choose YEAH if you want to
change it. You can OK give I said that
without having one ready to go. So if someone has, has.
Well, I just realized for structural reasons I have to
take a wide receiver. I guess I have to take a tight
end if this is our last week so that I have one tight end.
So this is our last week I have. So I'm I'm locked in at
quarterback. I've got 2 running backs who are
technically alive. I've got Hollywood Brown who
just got frame mugged by Jacobs. Wider super forward on Tavian
Wicks huge win with Jester Gunnar helm K dot.
So I need a wide receiver who's on the field.
Wait sorry can I can I ask what is how does the scoring work for
this? So we're we're saying this is
the end, this is the end of our. Well, I think so cuz cuz we have
to play actual last call we. Start again.
So is this week 17 scoring or is it full season?
Scoring 1516. 161516 and 17 OK we we may have to like on our
first week back just rapid fire add like 3 more players each to
get a. Little bit full.
It's going to be tough. Let's let's make that a rule.
We we get 3 players to add on our first post draft episode.
Seconded. OK warm me up for your board
meeting. Give me the P line.
Oh, all right, show. Nice.
I like that. I like that.
That's good. You know what?
I'm going to take a guy I just like.
I just think he's, I just think he's neat.
I'm going to take Jacoby Lane as my wider Super 3.
Hollywood Brown, Ted Hurst and Jacoby Lane going to battle.
I will take I'll take a tight end and I think the NFL is going
to like more than the the woke spreadsheet virgin fantasy
community and I'll take Oscar Delp.
Oh, oh, I thought you were going to say.
I thought you were going to say Claire.
No, no, I I love Claire and. Hayden winks.
God love him, him and Josh
great. Big fan of the show ranking
Oscar Delp tight end 2 in your pre draft rankings Is is fancy
play? Well, but no.
But they're doing like the real life rankings, right?
Like they have their hand in the dirt.
I don't think those are fantasy rankings.
Yeah, those are not fantasy rankings, I think.
Come on dude, he ranked the M as a Mackie tight end 5.
If I was, yeah. But Eli Saras is like a useless
player. Like he's he's a.
Elias, he's like a useless player.
Yeah, someone's drifting further right on the fucking slapses
right in front of my I, I. Am like, I am legitimately like
when it comes to real life tight end value like I'm Ronald
Reagan. Like I, I, I don't understand
like the NFL's obsession with these like twink ass tweener
players who can't do crazy. Get your hand in the dirt and
block. Yeah, Dalt using a first round
pick on Dalton Kincaid and the NFL Draft.
Was Kincaid never won the Mackie?
Stowers won the Mackie. The problem is Brock Bowers has
like, ruined tight end evaluation for a decade because
there will never be like another Brock Bowers, truly.
But there are going to be so many imitators.
And like, Eli Stowers is going to go at like, pick 35 and it'll
be like, well, you know, Brock Bowers.
And it's like, yeah, I know that rhymes with Stowers, but he's
going to be playing like 32% of the snaps by his Year 2 in the
NFL and doing his best Elijah Arroyo impersonation anyway.
I was running NFL team. I'm taking Oscar Delp, I'm
taking Eli Reardon. I'm taking Max.
Claire So I was trying to toe the line of like, what's the
worst player I can pick that Pat's not going to, you know,
remove from the team trying to toe the line there.
I'm going with Kendrick Bourne getting that Ty Simpson to
Kendrick Thorn stack 15 to 17. He's got all.
He's got all rookie wide receivers, Jeremy Bernard,
Elijah Strawberry slaves. That's cute, but you're going to
need some reliable production, some floor weeks, some useful
weeks from Kendrick Bourne. He's on the look.
If Jacoby Brazette can make Michael Wilson, Justin
Jefferson, he can make Kendrick Bourne.
Jordan Addison, right? Love it.
Oh, man, is that ever going to be embarrassing when Marvin
Harrison gets out. Produced by Michael Wilson and
Kendrick Bourne. Yeah, it's.
Going to be tough. It's going to be a tough.
Scene again. The Dynasty Rookie Mock Draft
show is on the channel tomorrow. Ron Stewart, Ryan Heath, Blair
Andrews and Sir Peter Davis. What else?
What do you mean? What do you have going on?
Well, Jacob and I probably sometime this week are gonna do
a second year wide receiver video.
We gotta gotta think about a time to do that.
People really liked our second year running back video.
I just. Got my Luther Burden jersey
shipped in today by the way. Go home.
OK, Actually, you know what? Honestly, I was doing some
research for a video today. I had a fun fact, and there was
an easier place to put it here. Luther Burden's granddad also
named Luther Burden. He's Luther Burden the third.
This is Luther Burden. The first was a New York
Knickerbocker in a Virginia Squire after his New York
Knickerbocker career got arrested for robbing a bank.
True story, got out of it, never served jail time.
So what I'm saying is you might think Luther Burden is cool.
Luther Burden's granddad, Luther Burden, the first potentially
coolest guy alive. And, and so I, I just, you know
what, I was just going through old clothes.
I found a Jeremy Lin New York Knicks jersey, which, what a
moment in time that was. I think I, I think I need to add
to my, my Knicks jersey collection and get a Luther.
I believe his, his granddad wore 14 for the Knicks.
So I think that's going to be a new purchase for me.
As I've told you on the stream. Related to Mike's grandfather.
Luther That's right, Luther Fannon my grant.
My late grandfather died last. Summer.
Really, they they played on the Virginia Squires together.
They they must have been friends.
They knew each other like are you?
Are you duck footed by chance? I'm not.
I just looked again to make. Sure.
But I'm not fast either. Yeah.
Jacob, what else? I've put all of my rookie
content up on thinking about thinking I dropped quarterbacks
today, although it's like a liberal use of S.
It's mostly just about Fernando Mendoza.
And then so you can get all those if you yourself can do the
math. You probably already know all of
my rookie tiers because I valued them all throughout.
But I'll post my my official linear rankings tomorrow.
And then I don't know, probably like relax before the NFL draft.
I've never been this effective at time management before and
had all of this out like a week before the NFL draft.
So I'll I'll probably just read the agenda for the circus
meeting. Dive into that hockey playoff
pool. 18 players go win it. Oh, I already submitted buddy I.
Got Oh, I didn't get the, I didn't get the e-mail.
Will you? Will you?
Yeah. I'm dialed in.
Sam, we're not blessing babies and taking down mirrors at
Davis's request. What else?
What can you tell us? Yeah, nothing, nothing really to
announce. I might be announcing something
in regards to semi regular streaming throughout the summer,
maybe with some other members of the ship chasing broader
network, but still still hammering out the details there.
But besides that you can find like done Wix jokes on on X
everything out Sherman under score FB.
And they say the site isn't good anymore.
You had like, you had the most viral tweet of maybe the entire
fantasy community. This with with the Kirk Cousin's
agent tweet that went hard. Yeah, that one reached my like
normie friends group chat. So that's that's when you know.
It's all, it's all you know. It's always good when someone
posts in your normie group chat your tweet getting stolen by
like ESPN or whatever on their Facebook page.
That's that's when I know I really had a hanger.
Yeah, like my following on on Twitter is like about 50%
fantasy football accounts and then 50% random political
accounts. And I was getting like that from
the political accounts, like retweeted.
Back to me SO. I haven't liked it because I'm
jealous but. It's a good sign on the Odyssey
app WGR in Buffalo. I'll have Chris Terpeso
tomorrow, Tyler Dunn on Friday, Sam Penny Ottovich, a regular
Friday guest from chicken dinner and a lot of hockey if you like
it. If you don't, doesn't change
anything. Thanks, Sam.
Great to finally meet you. Jacob Davis, everyone watching
and listening. I'm Mike Shope.
We'll see you next week. Maybe.
Oh, there we go.