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Tonight on ship chasing, we put 
a bow on all of the playoff 

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contests. 
We even have the FFPC Playoff 

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Challenge champ Toyo swinging 
by. 

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He's going to tell us how we did
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We'll breakdown how our 
portfolio shook out across all 

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of our playoff contests as well 
is get a kickoff preview from 

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Ben Gretch on the Omni Fantasy 
Contest for 2024. 

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It's ship chasing. 
Let's do it. 

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Pat Fryer helmo this. 
Is why This is why I'm hot. 

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Anita Hand. 
Job. 

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Fix your sights, Jamar and Alpha
Play Chase. 

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You can't handle the. 
Heat. 

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It looks like we're finally 
fixed for you, right? 

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All right. 
Ben Gradge, Pat Curain. 

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Been a while since we have done 
a show. 

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Did you guys have a fun Super 
Bowl viewing experiences? 

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Yeah, it was good. 
I was rooting for the Chiefs. 

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Glad to see him. 
Glad to see Mahomes get another 

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ring. 
You know, rooting for our buddy 

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Davis after. 
After they win, it's inevitable,

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you know. 
Yeah, exactly. 

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Where did you watch the game, 
Gretch? 

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I was at A at a buddy's house. 
I have, you know, older kids for

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for kids of my age. 
Most of my friends, we're all 

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similar ages. 
But most of my friends have kids

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that are like in the two to five
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And so there's a lot of two to 
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I brought my 8 year old with me,
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with mom and so anyway they 
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playing. 
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atmosphere over there. 
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definitely talking ball my, my 
buddies, they're not like huge 

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football fans, but they they 
like to talk football. 

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But I I mean, I can't help 
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So I'm just like going way too 
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they're like, yeah, definitely. 
Yeah, for sure. 

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One of my, one of my closest 
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at one point where he was like, 
yeah, no, I totally knew that. 

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I I made some comment about 
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cause how they have the the 
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every time Richie James returns 
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for a second you're like oh 
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He's like, Oh yeah, no, totally.
I that's what I was thinking too

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about Nicole Hardman and Richie 
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Yeah, just like talking myself. 
I was. 

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I was watching with Redman, I 
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was right next to Redman and 
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Patriots fan. 
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interest was He wanted the 
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doesn't want any of the 
discourse to ever be Mahomes is 

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better than Brady. 
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the discourse. 
Let's be honest, It's just 

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another ring. 
That's the only thing left you. 

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Better. 
That ring, Leap, Brady. 

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But there was a there was a 
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Redmond basically was like it it
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game-winning driver or whatever.
And he's like look if Mahomes 

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does it, I'll, I'll tip my cat. 
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fraud. 
It was like, so binary. 

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I'll tip my cat if he does it 
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He did it. 
Spoiler you did it. 

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Shout out to everyone. 
Hey, get in the chat with us 

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tonight. 
We got Sacrilegious member for 

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13 months. 
Maverick shouting out all the 

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content on leg up. 
Definitely got to mention that 

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you guys had a ton of people 
using those rankings. 1 contest,

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1 tournaments. 
Pat, what did you win? 

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The Big mitten. 
Big mitten. 

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Nice. 
Yeah, yeah, That was that was 

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work. 
Thanks. 

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Yeah, it was fun. 
I got, you know, it was actually

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wild because Msos, who's in the 
discord and everything and is a 

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very good best ball player, was 
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Bowl in the Big Mitten. 
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me at one point for first. 
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had so much of the same team 
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Rice were to catch that 
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think we would have tied. 
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rooting interest for that 
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as soon as possible. 
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to win. 
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have to sweat this anymore. 
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for. 
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So I I got, I got the best of 
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was still able to get Kelsey to 
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MVS and the Chiefs win, so hit 
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I wasn't obviously deep in the 
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'cause I can't do it here. 
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I catch something? 
Or like a big part of why leg up

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subscribers for crushing was 
Mikko Hardman. 

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Were you like were people on 
Mikko? 

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No, we. 
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like pieces of the offenses that
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think we were pushing Miko 
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Oh, Juwan Jennings was. 
Juwan was. 

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You guys were pushing. 
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Jennings. 
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because I was sick of drafting 
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I told her at that I was like, I
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Jennings. 
With every goddamn draft. 

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That's the big. 
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Yeah, what a game It's it's 
crazy to see something 

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theoretical play out like that 
cleanly. 

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I know, yeah, I talked about it 
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only I had a dead team that made
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CMC and JA Juan Jennings. 
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pack just because of having 
Jawad Jennings, which is 

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ridiculous. 
But yeah, it'll be, it'll be fun

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to run it back again next year 
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does the field catch up. 
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to be slightly better, but I 
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And the reason I'm thinking that
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hard to advance if the Chiefs 
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so hard to advance like the 
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in the Super Bowl. 
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like, I just need to find Aaron 
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know, like getting those guys to
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People always want to have a 
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They always want to advance and 
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The natural bias if you're in 
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want to get balanced. 
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draft, like, like my team was 
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Cooks and Ferguson. 
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doesn't even make the final and 
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whole sweat. 
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tough for people to want to 
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this was such a bummer when it 
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keeping it really lean so that 
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has a huge, it has huge equity 
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something on that for the 
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I think it was like 14.5 K or 
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So you are you're not turning 
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getting hella duped. 
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So tonight we're gonna have Zach
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Playoff Challenge and I believe 
shipped one of the FFPC best 

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ball contests. 
Yeah, he did. 

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He shipped. 
He he went, he shipped 

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back-to-back like or FFPC 
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Interesting. 
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So we're gonna have him swing by
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bit more. 
We'll talk a little bit about 

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our FFPC Playoff Challenge 
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I would did want to carve out 
some time now to talk about Omni

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Fantasy Gretch, which I've 
gotten some of the updates in my

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inbox and I know you're gearing 
up for a big year. 

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Lots of improvements on the Tech
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Yeah, I mean it's it's not. 
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this, I'm like how do you, how 
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We added some things to the to 

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the site that needed to be done.
We definitely have some feature 

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upgrades that need to be done. 
We had a lot. 

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The the biggest one, the huge 
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the only, the only login source 
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linked through Twitter for 
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But obviously, Twitter is not 

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the healthiest social media site
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This is like Omni fantasy. 
You play for a full year, so 

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you'd like your log in to. 
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A lot of in the last year, a lot
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It's like, all right, well, we 
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So we got e-mail links, we got 
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we'll have e-mail push 
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Hang on, you ping me is how that
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We're not typing Karain. 
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Every time he's. 
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I've never pinged you. 
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Me, man. 
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Caitlin Clark just a few minutes
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How about tonight? 
We're breaking this News Live on

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ship chasing you can pick her 
Iowa Hawkeyes to win the women's

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college basketball championship 
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They're not even the favorites. 
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fantasy. 
We also added, let's see Euro 

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soccer tournament. 
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Hassan has asked about in the 
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I have another buddy who has a a
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his like. 
He's played on the fancy since 

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the first year we've done it. 
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It was pretty fun to dig into 
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We just finished our longest 
running draft and digging into 

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cricket, it's like there's like 
7 nations that are super into it

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But there's not like a clear 
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So it's not like we did F we 
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we still have on the site but it
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like 7 legitimate contenders is 
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It's like India, Pakistan, you 
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it's Southeast Asia, India, 
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The West Indies which is like 

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all the Caribbean nations come 
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the cricket and why we he talked
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New York, New Jersey. 
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cool locations. 
So anyway, we have the Men's T20

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World Cup. 
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How was it? 
Yeah, the beer was great. 

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I had no idea what's happening. 
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aren't familiar, they if 
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that Hassan has cricket. 
I don't want to do cricket. 

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You can pick which sports you 
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Right, right. 

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There's a few awesome things. 
If you're spinning up your own 

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You don't have to include 
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Omni Fantasy Cup, which is one 
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about here. 
If you put it in the chat, the 

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the last ship chasing comment in
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That's going to be a whole bunch
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know, a really mini best ball 
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I've compared to like the Scott 
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not like huge prizes or 
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We're not playing for money 
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but we have the the winner from 
last year was Paul V from the 

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Deposit Kingdom Chat. 
We do we do do a prize for the 

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winner so he's going to get 2 
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sporting but he wants to see. 
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ship chaser one and he went to 
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cool, and then he finished third
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He almost went back-to-back. 
He baked it in 2020. 

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Yeah, so he's the the guy to 
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Greg, you need to get an Omni 
Fantasy, you know, merch and 

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have them. 
Then he shoots the vlog. 

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And so he's at the race doing 
promotion for Omni Fantasy. 

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How did you end up here? 
Well, let me tell you a story. 

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There's a lot of really good 
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The problem is, as always, we've
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this. 
It's just a side project that 

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takes up way too much of my time
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I would love to do a lot of that
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I did have him take pictures and
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we'll have a Hall of Fame and 
we'll want to have some pictures

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from these events. 
So I had him take pictures of 

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the first one. 
I'll I'll have Paul do the same 

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thing. 
So we can at least document 

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these, you know, these first 
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events and trips that they get 
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But yeah, anyway, it's it. 
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you do sign up for that, we're 
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different leagues, There'll be 
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and one overall champion. 
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that and we you're just talking 
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cricket or whatever, the other 
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it like. 
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This is an example of Paul's 
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These are all the teams he 
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There are some flex picks in 
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I don't know. 
I can't really see him off the 

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top of my head, but somewhere in
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of the same sports at some at 
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NASCAR, he has multiple times 
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then like you know, one of these
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He probably only picked one of 
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college basketball. 
Marquette was his only, his only

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team. 
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If you don't like cricket, you 
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You don't want to pick it. 
You don't have to like other 

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people will take those picks and
you can just pick it at the end 

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like any other draft but that is
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I love Paul's note this is the 
way to do it. 

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Just draft 16 straight winners 
so the the colour coding green 

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is overall champions. 
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which is interesting that would 
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Yellow is semi finalists, orange
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The top 8 score points in every 
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He had point scores with each of
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incredible. 
Like for the the bottom picks 

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that you saw there that weren't 
any colours those guys didn't 

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score, but you don't see any on 
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because all of his first 16 
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Yeah, I don't know why, but I'm 
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both the XFL and USFL team. 
No, I was pissed about that too.

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On the. 
Line. 

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Because there's like a lot of 
parody in those ones too. 

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It's like get. 
The There he is, Yeah. 

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You don't even draft them early 
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Yeah, yes, the classic modified 

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0 cricket strategy, that's. 
How? 

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That's right, we. 
Could employ. 

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Yeah, that's awesome. 
He hadn't. 

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He had that guy Medvedev. 
Yeah. 

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Man were we watched him last 
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That's right. 
So tennis is, is one I want to 

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talk to you guys about, because 
Pete was pretty in on on Carlos 

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Alcaraz too, right? 
The the young Spaniard. 

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I think so. 
I think it was because of Nick 

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Bird in the chat was one of our 
tennis grinders and he got me 

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excited about him. 
And then the year prior, Pat, 

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you were in the Medvedev and we 
watched the Medvedev highlights.

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So where we're at right now in 
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transition. 
Djokovic still won the 80 points

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last year, but Alkarez is now 
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So we have the expected points 
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basically off future odds. 
Djokovic is favored in three of 

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the four tournaments but by very
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Wimbledon, U.S. 
Open and next year's Australian 

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Open. 
And Alkarez is like a pretty 

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overwhelming favorite at the 
French. 

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So when you average out the 
odds, Alkarez is the slight Omni

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Cup favorite over Djokovic, 
which hasn't happened since I've

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done like it's been only 
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And then you have Medvedev had a
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the clear number three I think 
it is and and the other name 

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that's there and I was looking 
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these are Pete and and Pat's. 
Guys, they were on these guys 

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early. 
Yeah, hey. 

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Tennis scouts, That's. 
Right. 

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Similar to how we were just 
early on Leviska, Chanel and. 

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This guy really early. 
It's way too early. 

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What do you For people also who 
are uninitiated, Gretch, what is

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the best way to like Prep or get
ready for one of these drafts? 

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Because I think for a lot of 
people it might seem daunting 

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and overwhelming to need to know
this many sports. 

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I mean, part of it is just 
constantly daunting and I do a 

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lot of the research during the 
draft and every time I place one

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of these picks, I'm like, yeah, 
I fucked that up. 

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I mean, it's just literally like
an existential dread. 

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Clicking, clicking. 
It's one of the fun things about

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on the fantasy. 
There's so many ways you can go.

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It is very difficult to weigh 
all of the, you know, web of of 

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what am I trying to push and 
what am I trying to do. 

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All the questions that we ask 
ourselves when we do drafts, 

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it's hard to do when there's 
like 13 different sports you're 

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considering. 
But in terms of trying to 

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prepare, I mean the expected 
points on the site are really 

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helpful. 
You are trying to think about 

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the sports that their playoff 
structures and their overall 

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like whether the favourites and 
odds actually end up winning, 

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whether there's that overall 
consistency like year to year, 

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how the the the scoring is 
awarded. 

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Like for men's tennis for 
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the four majors and so that is 
kind of helpful because if you 

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get upset one time you can still
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That's not really the case in a 
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Or like, you know, if the Chiefs
would have got upset, they just 

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don't score any points. 
You don't, you don't get another

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shot at it, right. 
So I feel like there's a little 

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less variance in men's tennis 
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the years, but women's tennis 
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Maybe just more parody in the 
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Golf is similar with the four 
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And also there's a lot of 
fluctuations just the way any 

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anyone can kind of win one golf 
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well for one weekend. 
And so you think through the 

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different sports like that than 
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You know, like college football 
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predict than and college 
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a lot. 
Of basketball, like the ultimate

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variant sport. 
Really is compared to like NBA, 

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where I mean NBA is pretty open 
now too, but it used to be every

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year if you drafted LeBron James
team, you're probably getting to

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the Finals, right? 
If you draft the Golden State 

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Warriors, you're probably 
getting, you know, some points 

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out of them. 
So yeah, you're just trying to 

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think through the different 
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I I I've written up strategy 
guides before, you were just 

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showing some of the posts from 
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newsletter. 
There's some stuff there from 

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from old posts where I tried to 
look at some of the strategy. 

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And in doing that, in the past, 
I've just tried to look at 

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whether the top drafted teams in
Omni Fantasy actually go on to 

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win. 
And then those are the teams 

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that I want to take in the early
rounds and the ones that don't 

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usually have the top drafted 
teams win. 

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I want to try to take a long 
shot and try to hit those points

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late. 
Well yeah, we keep an eye out 

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for more from Gretch. 
I do recommend just subscribing 

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to that sub stack. 
It's a free sub stack so you'll 

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just get the kind of updates in 
your inbox as Gretch fires them 

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off. 
There's also the sign up sheet 

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as well and also recommend just 
getting in even with a smaller 

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group of people and whipping up 
your own leagues with your 

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friends. 
What is the minimum amount to 

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Max amount for people in a 
league Gretch? 

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There's really no number. 
I've done leagues as small as 

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like four people before in the 
past year, So just try out some 

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different stuff. 
It gets really concentrated like

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your your team. 
You're picking favorites in 

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every sport throughout your 
draft. 

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I think the optimal is closer to
about like 8. 

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After having done this for a lot
of years. 

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We had as many as my mainly was 
a 16 team draft last year but we

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added more people so we split it
into two this year. 

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Two we have 20 now so we decided
to do 210 team leagues and we're

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crown one overall winner from 
that. 

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I think the like the 8 to 10 
ranges is good, 12 plus you're 

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starting to get a little thin 
where you run out of good picks 

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by like the middle of the draft.
And it's I mean it's it's just a

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different type of draft but it 
is a little torturous. 

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You're like, I don't I don't 
enjoy picking any of these 

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teams. 
By like I mean the 16 team dream

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draft we used to have like round
five you're like I don't want my

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5th pick to be someone that I 
like, think is terrible but 

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that's what that's what it ends 
up being. 

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You know it gets tricky when you
get that big but theoretically 

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you can go as big as you want. 
You just can't include sports 

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that don't have enough teams in 
them. 

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And so part of the thing about 
doing like an 8 team league, you

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can include the XFLUSFL. 
Now the UFL, because they only 

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have eight teams. 
There is one rule, you have to 

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draft at least one team from 
every sport. 

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And so if you have 10 teams, you
can't play with the UFL because 

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there's only eight options. 
You can't. 

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You know not everyone can get 
one. 

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So once you get bigger you are 
limited a little bit in what 

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you're able to do in terms of 
the leagues you're able to 

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include. 
But there's still plenty. 

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Obviously most of the leagues 
have 30, most professional 

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leagues have 30 ish teams and 
the college leagues all have, 

447
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you know, 100, right? 
And and and tennis and and golf 

448
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:37,120
have so many options. 
All the individual sports we 

449
00:22:37,120 --> 00:22:41,040
have, the NASCAR and F1, there's
so many on the site now, 

450
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,960
different different ways to 
play, so you can play a really 

451
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:50,120
large league if you wanted to. 
Yeah, yeah, I love the 88 from 

452
00:22:50,120 --> 00:22:51,840
the ones I've done with you, 
'cause I feel like I've done 

453
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,480
like eight 10s and twelves and I
definitely like the the eight 

454
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,160
person ones there. 
So that would be my 

455
00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,680
recommendation if you're trying 
to spin up your leagues, and if 

456
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,480
you guys want to in the within 
the ship chasing channel. 

457
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,920
I'd be happy to set up a thread 
for people too if you wanted to 

458
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,400
organize one in there and kind 
of. 

459
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:15,160
There's an Honor Fantasy channel
in the Deposit Kingdom as well, 

460
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:20,320
so I would I would recommend if 
any of the ship chasers want to 

461
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,640
get their own little side 
leagues going like chat, chat it

462
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,560
up in there. 
Yeah, for sure. 

463
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:28,720
Yeah, that's a good point. 
Down in the it's just a public 

464
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,720
channel within the deposit 
Kingdom, there's the Omni. 

465
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:36,640
All right, let's talk some 
playoff fantasy and Les Gretsch,

466
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:40,360
Are there any other admin or 
housekeeping items with with 

467
00:23:40,360 --> 00:23:41,640
Omni that people should know 
about? 

468
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,560
I'll drop the the link to sign 
up in the show notes. 

469
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:49,200
There's there's there's really 
one more minor thing but also 

470
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,680
with cricket I just sent you a a
Twitter thing that one of my 

471
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,240
friends sent about a cricket 
board you should pull this up. 

472
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:58,280
I this got sent to me just like 
a few hours to go ago today all 

473
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:02,080
the terminology in cricket is is
wild but the other thing that I 

474
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,600
forgot that we should mention is
we we had a ship chasing cup as 

475
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,400
well last year with the Omni cup
we had the ship chasing cup. 

476
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,640
I was telling you guys, I'm 
trying to find it, who the 

477
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,400
winner was, but the winner 
absolutely crushed. 

478
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,440
It was Lex Pace. 
Yes, Lex pace, yeah. 

479
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,400
He crushed everyone. 
So there was a a Gretsch League,

480
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,920
a Pat league, a Pete League. 
We all had 14 teams. 

481
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,680
It got a little bit big and 
overwhelming. 

482
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,200
I don't know if we're going to 
run this one back this year, but

483
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,640
shout out to Lex for crushing 
that. 

484
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:37,480
He cleared every other drafter 
by more than 100 by 160 points. 

485
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,920
Even in a 14 team draft he had 
four champions and four runners 

486
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:44,560
up. 
No one else in any of the three 

487
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,640
drafts had more than five 
combined champions plus runners 

488
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:49,560
up. 
He had eight. 

489
00:24:50,120 --> 00:24:52,880
So he had like, I mean his his 
team was was sick. 

490
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,600
So shout out to him for a great 
team in the ship chasing cup, 

491
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,800
but this is hilarious. 
I don't this that cricket thing.

492
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,240
It I this like the the 
terminology here is out of 

493
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,120
control. 
Fly slips, Gullies. 

494
00:25:06,120 --> 00:25:07,800
Silly points. 
Mid off. 

495
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,400
Leg mid. 
Off good, off deep mid off. 

496
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,960
That's wide log off. 
Deep mid off is what the Chiefs 

497
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,280
call their wide receiver drills.
Exactly. 

498
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:21,880
I wish. 
I wish it was deep. 

499
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,480
It's all shallow shit. 
All right, so we're going to 

500
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,240
bring Zach on in a second. 
Just got a monster super chat 

501
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,200
here from Colon. 
Hopefully I'm saying your name 

502
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:35,320
right there. 
Got first and second in the $35 

503
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:40,480
FFPC Playoff Challenge. 
Second in the $200 FFPC Playoff 

504
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:41,880
Challenge. 
Also finished sixth in the Best 

505
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:46,760
Ball Contest on there for 
260,000 this year. 

506
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,200
I really appreciate the content.
Content you boys do. 

507
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,720
Just wanted to say thank you. 
Have a drink on me. 

508
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,480
Cheers. 
Holy shit, Colin. 

509
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,600
Congratulations. 
Congrats, there's there's AI 

510
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,040
Mean Pete, you and I are going 
to enjoy the drink, but there's 

511
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:03,320
a real irony And the 260 K 
winner sending a drink on him to

512
00:26:03,360 --> 00:26:08,640
Karang. 
Hey, I mean that is and I I 

513
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,000
assume Colin tell me was the 
team that got second, I assume 

514
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,720
it was one of the teams in the 
35 like you had. 

515
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,240
Did you have the same teams in 
both contests? 

516
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,320
What I'm guessing? 
So yeah, that's probably. 

517
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,200
I want to go pull up this that 
is. 

518
00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:26,920
Insane. 
And Speaking of insane, the only

519
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:31,200
person that can say hold my beer
to that might be the FFPC 

520
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,080
Playoff Challenge winner 
himself. 

521
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,240
For 500K, we got Zach Toyo on 
the program. 

522
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,840
Welcome, Toyo. 
Hey, thanks, Pete. 

523
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:40,160
What's up, Pat? 
What's up, Gretch? 

524
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:41,120
What's up? 
How you doing? 

525
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,160
I'm. 
I'm already getting like, major 

526
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:45,400
I I went to your Twitter 
profile. 

527
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,280
I saw you mentioning stuff about
Zen. 

528
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,560
I see a wave. 
You got the hair. 

529
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,800
Are are you a surfer? 
I'm getting big time surfer 

530
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,480
vibes. 
We we do a little surfing down 

531
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,320
here, so we need to get pat in 
the water and down in San Diego.

532
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,320
You're in San Diego, too. 
Nope. 

533
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:06,520
I split time between Hawaii and 
the West Coast, so my home base 

534
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,920
is Hawaii right here. 
There you go. 

535
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,800
I saw that you you won the 
playoff challenge and you 

536
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,920
shouted us out and I was 
checking out. 

537
00:27:14,120 --> 00:27:16,480
I was like, Oh my God, so 
Bulky's already got an interview

538
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,320
up with you. 
That's that was quick that. 

539
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,680
That's really cool though and 
realized Oh no, you also took 

540
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:26,320
down the best ball tournament on
FFPC, turned it around and just 

541
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,680
quickly repeated with the 
playoff challenge. 

542
00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:32,400
Yeah, it was a fruitful 2023 
season. 

543
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:38,560
Took the best ball challenge out
and rolled everything back into 

544
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,480
this beautiful playoff 
tournament. 

545
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,320
So how many teams did you roll 
into the playoff tournament? 

546
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:51,680
So best ball I tried to Max the 
FFPC out, which is obviously a 

547
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,800
different animal for let's say 
underdog. 

548
00:27:54,360 --> 00:28:03,120
So I had 115 best ball. 
FFPC teams advanced 25 and I 

549
00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:06,800
ended up with five and the last 
man standing was the best ball 

550
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:14,600
champion and I ended up doing 90
FFPFFPC Playoff Challenge entry.

551
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,800
That is what, like getting so 
Max entering a best ball contest

552
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:21,880
is. 
I mean, yes, it requires more 

553
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,080
time than getting a bunch of 
entries into the playoff 

554
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,680
challenge, but just from our own
personal experience, from an 

555
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,840
organizational level like we had
75, and we always all want to 

556
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:35,480
kill each other by the end of 
it. 5-6 people working on it. 

557
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,600
How did you do that? 
I. 

558
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:42,960
Wanted to Max the FFPC but I 
just ran out of time obviously. 

559
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,240
Literally literally like run out
of time. 

560
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:50,160
I'm entering it on the site like
it's not it's not streamline. 

561
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,440
How did you, how did you 
organize all that? 

562
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,800
I mean, so we have like 
spreadsheets galore and five 

563
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,920
people do cross checking. 
I can't imagine Solo entering 90

564
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,520
lineups and and not feeling 
there's like a lot of overlap. 

565
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,080
And so, like Pete, to your 
point, when you're maxing best 

566
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,040
ball, you're drafting these on 
like different days. 

567
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:09,600
You can check your portfolio 
threw at it. 

568
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,640
All of this locks at once and 
you're just tweaking 90 

569
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,880
different line UPS. 
Like that's a whole different 

570
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,480
animal. 
It's a very different thing. 

571
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,400
Yeah, especially this year. 
I thought was unique because 

572
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,880
some of the information was 
coming in so late. 

573
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,360
You had the Eagles holding the 
A.J. 

574
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:29,120
Brown designation tight to the 
vest and then and the Marc 

575
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:33,320
Andrews news came out late. 
And then the biggest wrinkle to 

576
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:39,440
me was the weather in Kansas 
City and then the Pittsburgh, 

577
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:44,760
the Pittsburgh game. 
And so yeah, I didn't start this

578
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:49,800
exercise really till Friday. 
And in years past, I like to 

579
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:55,680
kind of meditate and then do the
spreadsheets and really settle 

580
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:56,240
in. 
I mean this. 

581
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,480
I think that industry adores 
this contest just because it's 

582
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:04,720
such a dynamic game theory 
puzzle piece. 

583
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,240
It's like. 
The ultimate game theory. 

584
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:12,320
Yeah, it is. 
So it was a final exam cram from

585
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:17,520
Friday to Saturday actually. 
Dave Gurzak from the FFPC gave 

586
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:18,960
me a call. 
I missed his call. 

587
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:24,240
I had 30 lineups that were 
incomplete, 45 minutes to lock. 

588
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:28,040
So I was how many? 
It's from my 30. 45 minutes. 

589
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:32,280
Did you have left? 
I had 45 minutes left, the input

590
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,560
35. 
You're just mashing buttons at 

591
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,360
that point. 
No, no, it was it. 

592
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,560
I I had it. 
I had it all in my Excel 

593
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,640
spreadsheets and I was 
essentially inputting it. 

594
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,440
So it was down to and. 
For people who don't know 

595
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:50,560
inputting it is not like it 
takes about a minute 13 like 

596
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:51,920
it's or. 
Maybe a little. 

597
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,000
More I had two minutes to spare.
Wow. 

598
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:59,200
And then, you know, do you know 
which lineup? 

599
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,560
The winner? 
Yeah, so this was my it was my 

600
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,080
71st. 
Oh my God, you. 

601
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,120
Put it into the last 45 minute 
crane. 

602
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,920
It it was one of the last ones 
and I got to get props in the 

603
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,160
legendary upside. 
When did it lock in Hawaii? 

604
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:18,560
What? 
What time is it? 

605
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:26,000
First game on Saturday was 11:30
AM, Yeah. 

606
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,080
OK. 
So when you were. 

607
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,880
Building these out in your 
spreadsheet, like, what angle 

608
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,800
were you taking? 
Were you like, locking your 

609
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,320
quarterbacks and, like filling 
out? 

610
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,480
Were you like putting like a set
exposure target you reference 

611
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,200
Pat's ownership ranks? 
Like what was kind of your 

612
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:47,160
process? 
Yeah, I thought the best play in

613
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:52,560
the tournament was Lamar. 
So I sort of settled that I was 

614
00:31:52,560 --> 00:32:01,920
going to do 40% builds from 
Lamar at the top and I think I 

615
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:07,080
started pushing some of that 
percentage towards Josh once the

616
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,440
Buffalo game got moved till 
Monday. 

617
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:16,120
But I just, I took my stand, 
started with Lamar, I think I 

618
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:22,280
had 25% Josh and just sort of 
worked from there. 

619
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,480
The, the key to me of this 
contest when I participated last

620
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:32,800
year, I finished top 20 and I 
had DK Metcalf and that skill 

621
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,560
position piece that gets 
eliminated in the first week. 

622
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,240
You you need to get that right. 
And you had all these Rams 

623
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:45,800
pieces, which I couldn't figure 
out the Browns pieces, so I just

624
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:49,720
went shopping for exposure. 
Mixing and matching essentially.

625
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:56,840
And who did you, did you end up 
overweight on any of the winners

626
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,920
or was like did your portfolio 
on the whole do well or did you 

627
00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:01,320
just have the one perfect line 
up? 

628
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,800
I finished my second best line, 
finished 40. 

629
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,360
But it it was an imperfect 
process. 

630
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,280
I I wish I had more time. 
But I mean this. 

631
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:20,360
This is the one that stuck. 
Yeah, I should pull this. 

632
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:22,120
Up. 
Yeah, I'm looking at the team 

633
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,760
now. 
One of the things you did well, 

634
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,920
there's a couple things you did 
incredibly well, but you, you 

635
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,240
full fade in Miami. 
You talked about the weather 

636
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,280
thing, I assume across your 
portfolio. 

637
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:35,080
You did a lot of picking a 
winner in case you're Miami, 

638
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,040
which is something that that we 
definitely talked about on the 

639
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,200
show. 
You also played both sides of 

640
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,360
Green Bay Dallas, which ended up
being huge because you have 

641
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,800
Aaron Jones in this line up. 
You played both sides of Philly,

642
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,400
Tampa, which people didn't 
necessarily want to do, which 

643
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:50,280
made Devonta Smith a really nice
play in a loss that like you 

644
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,120
were talking about. 
And then you also had Evans 

645
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,160
advancing. 
You have Kukanakua in a loss 

646
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,600
here, which was a really key. 
And then and Joku, you also 

647
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,880
mentioned that one was wild 
because he loses. 

648
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,760
But you have Houston's defense 
on this team, but Houston's 

649
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,320
defense winds up being optimal 
for them in two games because 

650
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,199
they scored three touchdowns in 
two games. 

651
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,280
So really you're probably 
playing that more like a Brown's

652
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:16,320
win, but it ends up working. 
And then also you played Tucker,

653
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,480
you faded the the Ravens and he 
was optimal in two games as well

654
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,639
when Allen beat Lamar and there 
was no other Ravens that were 

655
00:34:21,639 --> 00:34:23,920
huge so that. 
I mean, it was a fact. 

656
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,560
The kicker and defense thing was
really fascinating this year, 

657
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:30,480
but it's why you played the 
right games both ways there. 

658
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,800
Green Bay and Dallas and and 
Tampa and Philly are the two 

659
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,040
that really stand out. 
Yeah, actually out of the 90, it

660
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:42,120
it was a frightening fade of 
Miami, specifically with Tyreke.

661
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:48,679
But I took a hard stand on a 
hard fade on Miami and that 

662
00:34:48,679 --> 00:34:51,239
really sort of worked out in my 
favor. 

663
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:56,560
I had success in the main event 
this year. 

664
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:00,440
I advanced seven teams to the 
playoffs, and I think around 

665
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:04,400
Week 12 I was picking up Houston
defense. 

666
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:08,400
It might have been week 13. 
I Stingley was coming on, 

667
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,160
Anderson was coming on and then 
you had that D'amico blitz 

668
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:17,320
package it it it sort of bled 
into this tournament where I 

669
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,680
sort settled on Houston as a 
defense. 

670
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:25,120
So I had a bunch of Houston 
Tucker combinations and if you 

671
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:30,360
notice at the top that that was 
key, the Houston Tucker 

672
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:34,120
combination. 
When you were doing that were 

673
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,400
you thinking like maybe Browns 
to the AFC championship cause 

674
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,040
the the the whole thought was 
Houston. 

675
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,520
Cleveland winner probably goes 
to the Ravens and it did and 

676
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,960
usually you want your kick and 
your D to play one game. 

677
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,000
So when I saw line UPS like 
this, my thought was, well, they

678
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,960
were probably playing in Joku to
beat Houston and then to also 

679
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,080
beat Baltimore and you have a 
Browns AFC Championship run and 

680
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:58,360
instead you wind up with a, you 
know, a Houston, Baltimore match

681
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,080
up where actually both the the 
specialists end up being 

682
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,880
optimal. 
Yep, that was the strategy. 

683
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:11,760
It's just a a a soft fade on on 
Houston and get that Njoku 

684
00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:15,720
passed and hopefully they beat 
Baltimore and just it worked out

685
00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:18,960
with Tucker where he stayed even
with the field and it kind of 

686
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,360
gave you a little extension on 
your timeline. 

687
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,200
It and it's funny you say you 
said you're you thought the best

688
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,800
play of the tournament was Lamar
Jackson and then it's a Justin 

689
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,760
Tucker team that takes it down 
for you. 

690
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,600
Yep. 
And that was the other reason I 

691
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:41,880
sort of in in the 11th hours 
started getting on to Tucker and

692
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,920
it was somewhat of a hedge. 
I had like 35 Lamar. 

693
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,320
Teams. 
So yeah, it's, you know, it's 

694
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:53,160
such a funny tournament because 
like, it is so much game theory 

695
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,000
and and kind of playing it to 
pick the bracket and everything.

696
00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:00,280
But it's also like, it's wild 
that like this team didn't have 

697
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,080
Jake Ferguson, you know, like 
you didn't actually. 

698
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,200
And we were sweating. 
We were like, man, look like at 

699
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,600
this point, let's just look at 
our Ferguson teams and we didn't

700
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:12,400
have the right kind of combos 
with the Ferguson teams is very 

701
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,880
frustrating. 
But it's just it's wild to see 

702
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:16,120
that. 
It's like, no, there's actually 

703
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,680
so many things that you have to 
get right in this tournament 

704
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,160
over the course of all the 
rounds that you didn't even need

705
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:23,920
Ferguson. 
Yeah, I was. 

706
00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:27,200
I was really tilted because I 
had a bunch of Aaron Jones 

707
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:35,000
Ferguson line UPS, sort of 
guessing if Dallas lost it'd be 

708
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,760
Ferguson and rubbish time and it
would be Aaron Jones as the key 

709
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,880
component. 
And I was just tilted because I 

710
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:46,360
just had the combinations wrong.
And I almost had that Lamar 

711
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,040
Ferguson, Aaron Jones, which 
would have kind of had me 

712
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:54,400
covered with this team if 
Baltimore had beat KC. 

713
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,320
But I mean this tournament means
means a lot. 

714
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,800
It's it's I've been 
participating it. 

715
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:05,480
I think it's just it's special. 
And I think maybe two years from

716
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:10,440
now, if this were to run, you 
would need the optimal Dallas 

717
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:14,360
Ferguson lineup with all the sin
Sims coming, getting 

718
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,880
incorporated. 
So yeah, I was actually 

719
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,600
surprised that a Ferguson lineup
did not take this down. 

720
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,880
I know I was too, just 'cause he
scored so many points. 

721
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:28,280
But you know, the CD ownership I
think did come in, you know, 

722
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,400
around 90% or something. 
I forget off top my head. 

723
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,040
We were kind of bummed that we 
didn't wind up with a little 

724
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,480
more of him, 'cause I think we 
had two or three line UPS and 

725
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,160
that I looked at the percentages
and we we we were double the 

726
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:46,520
field with like you know, two 
line UPS of him or whatever, 

727
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,920
whatever we had. 
I mean it maybe we we ended up 

728
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:54,160
with a Ferguson Nakua team that 
had Jayden Reid instead of Aaron

729
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:59,040
Jones, but it was a Josh Allen. 
It had had Baltimore's DST, but 

730
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,000
it, you know, it didn't play 
Baltimore heavy. 

731
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,880
It was a pretty strong roster. 
But I had Jayden Reid and and 

732
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,600
Leonie was tilting that one the 
whole time. 

733
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,880
You guys finished relatively 
well in this contest, right? 

734
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:15,560
We had a couple top 20s. 
Yeah, we had this team in 16th, 

735
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,360
team in 19th. 
We haven't run the full 

736
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,000
accounting on it. 
I think we're pretty close to 

737
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:23,560
breaking even on our 75 entries,
which you know, the friends you 

738
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:27,080
made along the way, I guess. 
But you know, trying to climb up

739
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,760
there at least into the top 
five, like like you and Colin. 

740
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:35,080
I did want to take a peek at 
Colin's team here in the chat. 

741
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,800
Very similar team. 
I hate how this fades away. 

742
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:44,640
Difference is obviously Chase 
McLaughlin and Zay Flowers and 

743
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,560
Amari Cooper. 
So I believe those were the kind

744
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:48,960
of the three main differences 
there. 

745
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,440
Yeah, that looks. 
Right, that's I was looking at 

746
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,480
his team. 
I thought my biggest risk had it

747
00:39:55,520 --> 00:40:02,680
end to the KC game was was 
obviously it was essentially a 

748
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:07,960
$500,000 payout for a two leg 
parlay and the first one was the

749
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:14,080
KC money line. 
And I thought the Lamar teams 

750
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,760
were going to start steaming up 
but this Zay team started 

751
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:22,400
bubbling up and that a touchdown
where the the ball gets knocked 

752
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,920
out well. 
Really, Man, That. 

753
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,800
So that's the other thing. 
We only tilted on our team. 

754
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,320
We were both of our top. 20 
teams have Zay and would have, I

755
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,200
think, both been top ten if. 
We were team calling on that 

756
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,080
one. 
We we wanted to say the score. 

757
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:42,080
Of that DD. 
Yeah, yeah, this one our team 

758
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:46,880
that finished. 16th was a. 
Nico Zay And then. 

759
00:40:47,240 --> 00:40:51,120
That's when we we're no longer 
live, was when Zay didn't catch 

760
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:52,760
that TDA. 
And I don't know if we were 

761
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:53,960
actually live at that point 
either. 

762
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,400
But I think we have like some 
slim maybe. 

763
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,040
Maybe we're live to finish like 
third is what it was. 

764
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,560
Yeah, but we needed Zay to go on
to have a big Super Bowl as 

765
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,400
well. 
And yeah, him not scoring that 

766
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,000
touchdown was brutal for us, 
too. 

767
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,600
Yeah, that's incredible, man. 
So what else? 

768
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:16,840
What else was your your process?
You said you had Pat's ownership

769
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:18,920
projection. 
Someone in the chat said you 

770
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,640
were just doing it based on 
vibes. 

771
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,040
Is this true? 
How much what? 

772
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,480
What kind of vibes base you? 
A little meditation. 

773
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,800
That's all it takes. 
Pat's ranks Meditation. 

774
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,840
A little meditation. 
It was an all nighter. 

775
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:34,440
So I mean it. 
It was a a flawed process. 

776
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,760
But I'm. 
I'm just glad this one stuck. 

777
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:42,800
The Tucker you, the legendary 
Upside Discourse and with ship 

778
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:49,240
chasing sort of brought me 
towards this Tucker build and 

779
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:53,680
with the fact that I had 35 
Lamar teams, I was pretty 

780
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:58,320
shocked. 
I think Pat had the projected at

781
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:03,800
12% for Tucker, maybe 13 and he 
ended up being at 5% and when I 

782
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,040
saw that, I mean, I mean I was 
stoked, I. 

783
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,040
Had the the defense steamed up 
is what it was. 

784
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,440
I thought the defense was going 
to be like the sneaky leverage 

785
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,600
play on Tucker, end up being the
other way around. 

786
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,960
Yeah. 
Pat Kornacki needed to take. 

787
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,440
From That was an all time. 
That was a MIS for Pat Kornacki,

788
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:29,040
for sure. 
It sounds like you play a ton of

789
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,880
volume on FFPC across a ton of 
you know contest, main event, 

790
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,920
playoff contest, obviously. 
How how long have you been 

791
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:41,160
playing on the platform I? 
Think I've been playing about 

792
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:45,280
eight years on the FFPC. 
I've had the top five finish and

793
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:49,280
main event. 
This was my first big stab at 

794
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:53,440
the best ball tournament. 
I think it's probably relatively

795
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:57,360
rare for someone to fire off 
over 100 in this specific term 

796
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:02,200
tournament, but had fun on 
underdog too. 

797
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:07,120
I I was actually fortunate 
enough to make the finals in BBM

798
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,760
4, so that was a nice. 
Sweat. 

799
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,160
What a year, man. 
Yeah, fruitful. 

800
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,400
Did you have a sweat at all in 
BBM or did it Peter out? 

801
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,120
Yeah, I just had the CD on 
Monroe. 

802
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,640
I came to the party with 
everyone's favorite correlation.

803
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:28,880
I had the LaPorte at Terry Week 
15 Piece had Amari 16 and I 

804
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,240
think finished 300. 
But it was a good time. 

805
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,520
Well, when you have the other 
sweat, what what? 

806
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,840
What was your FFPC best ball 
team like? 

807
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:45,640
Yeah, so the FFPC had the CD 
piece, but it had Devante. 

808
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:49,400
So in a full point PPR, Devante 
had 37 points as opposed to 

809
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:56,880
Alman Rod 22, naked Lamar had a 
DJ Moore piece, and I had the 

810
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:01,200
jump on the field with the 
Breeze and Njoku correlation. 

811
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,480
Nice. 
That's nuts. 

812
00:44:05,240 --> 00:44:08,760
And So what? 
What was your like if you're 

813
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:13,000
drafting that many, you know, 
best ball teams? 

814
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:14,640
What kind of process did you 
have? 

815
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,720
Were you approaching it from a 
portfolio standpoint? 

816
00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:19,280
Were you just trying to draft 
the best possible team in every,

817
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,160
every room? 
Were you trying to draft them 

818
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,520
across the drafting spectrum as 
far as, like at what time of the

819
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,280
year you were you were entering 
these? 

820
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:33,040
Yeah, I thought I was. 
The the draft cycle just seemed 

821
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,440
perfect to me. 
I took player stands. 

822
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:39,960
I had great closing line ADP 
value throughout my portfolios. 

823
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,320
That's something I always focus 
on. 

824
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:49,400
The player stands, worked out 
for me, the fades worked out and

825
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:56,120
so yeah, I kind of hit 20 around
22% advance rate and I was 

826
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,560
slightly disappointed that I 
only had one bullet. 

827
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:04,600
I was my goal was sort of two to
three, but this team just sort 

828
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,560
of sort of worked out. 
Yeah. 

829
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,640
What was the final size on on 
FFPC this year? 

830
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:17,880
Yeah. 
So best ball is 10,006. 100 Does

831
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,160
that sound right? 
Entries. 

832
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:21,760
Total entries. 
Yeah, of total. 

833
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:28,160
For the 125, right, that price. 
125 Two 100K purse FFPC is 

834
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:39,160
10,600, top two advanced to week
15 and it's top 2 to 16 and top 

835
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,480
three to week 17. 
Because when you said you were 

836
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,800
disappointed again, you had, did
you say 110 entries? 

837
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:51,400
Yeah, 115. 
So I went 20% on the advance 

838
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:57,640
rate at 25 teams, advance at 
five teams in Week 16, and I was

839
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:04,880
hoping that I had two or three 
advance to the week 17. 

840
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,360
Cause yours your, I mean you 
almost had at that kind of 

841
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:11,360
volume 125 a pop at 1:15 I I 
don't remember the price 

842
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,600
structure, but you almost have 
to get at least one team to the 

843
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,880
finals to not be really 
underwater right? 

844
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,040
You do. 
I was sweating this. 

845
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:23,520
I mean, there's a lot of 
invested time and 115 drafts on 

846
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:27,120
FFPC. 
So very fortunate this one 

847
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,800
worked out. 
And it's a 72 team final, so I 

848
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:35,120
mean that's do you have work to 
do in the final that was that's 

849
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,920
a nice some you know a nice 
result. 

850
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:42,520
Take That's really. 
Many FFPC best ball teams Did 

851
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:46,840
you guys do? 
I didn't really fire at it, 

852
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,440
'cause I was honestly like with 
as much drafting as I was doing 

853
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:54,480
on Underdog and DraftKings, I 
was like trying to figure out 

854
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,960
like the timing of it. 
I didn't want to do slow drafts,

855
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,920
so trying to get fast drafts to 
fill, I was, I kind of, just 

856
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,240
kind of gave up on on trying to 
get in there. 

857
00:47:03,240 --> 00:47:06,000
I had one fill on me while I was
at the dog park and auto drafted

858
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:07,440
and that kind of stabbed me a 
little bit. 

859
00:47:09,720 --> 00:47:11,120
What it what? 
What's your what's your 

860
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,600
background Zach? 
Do you are you a professional 

861
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,840
fantasy football drafter? 
You mentioned getting in some 

862
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,080
surfing, splitting your your 
time. 

863
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,200
What's your your day-to-day 
like? 

864
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:22,160
Yeah, I was doing some day 
trading. 

865
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:26,560
I've sort of shifted my focus as
a sports wagering markets and 

866
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:31,680
fantasy and hopefully these wins
can give me a little powder to 

867
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,160
continue. 
Nice. 

868
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:37,000
That's awesome. 
Sacrilegious wants to know, did 

869
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:38,560
you do a ton of slow drafts? 
Yeah. 

870
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,440
What was the ratio on slow to 
fast? 

871
00:47:41,720 --> 00:47:46,040
Yeah, I I mean in order to fire 
off 115 in FFPC you needed to do

872
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,560
some slows. 
I prefer the the live draft. 

873
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:55,640
I think it was 703070 live 30 
slow. 

874
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,720
Gotcha. 
It's amazing to do the type of 

875
00:47:58,720 --> 00:48:01,960
volume where you couldn't 
literally mean 70 teams and 30. 

876
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:05,360
Yeah, I was like, no, that's up 
to 100. 

877
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:06,840
Oh, that's like, you mean 
Percenter. 

878
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:08,120
Actually, it doesn't matter. 
Yeah. 

879
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,560
Do you, did you find, like to 
Pat's point? 

880
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:20,120
Did you find drafting across 
multiple platforms to be like an

881
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:23,640
edge and kind of sharpen, you 
know, across various markets? 

882
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,960
Or was it hard to reorient 
yourself to the pretty massive 

883
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:31,680
scoring differences? 
I thought it was an edge sort of

884
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:36,400
going back and forth from 
underdog to FFPC, sort of 

885
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:43,600
comparing the different markets.
For example, underdog had Raheem

886
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:48,800
Mostert over Jeff Wilson and an 
FFPC Best ball. 

887
00:48:49,240 --> 00:48:54,960
It was the other way around and 
sort of settled on Raheem just 

888
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:59,080
respecting the underdog market 
and and the lean on that. 

889
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,880
And even now and I haven't 
really dived into the big board 

890
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,440
an underdog. 
I've fired off a couple never 

891
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:12,480
too early drafts and just say I 
do think there is an edge of, 

892
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:17,520
you know, firing off drafts in 
different platforms and 

893
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,240
diagnosing the different 
markets. 

894
00:49:21,240 --> 00:49:24,720
I I felt that even across like 
game types, I mean even this 

895
00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:28,040
year doing weekly DFS contests, 
like seeing what the Battle 

896
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,640
Royale ADPS were like. 
There would be the week where 

897
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:32,840
like it was Kenneth Walker 
against the Cardinals and he 

898
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,160
just like steamed up the Battle 
Royale ADP. 

899
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,000
And it was like you knew that 
Steam was going to carry over to

900
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:39,360
DraftKings. 
Even though it's different 

901
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,720
pricing, different, you know, 
structure, but like those kind 

902
00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:46,080
of having that extra data point,
especially at large volume when 

903
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,960
there's so much data baked into 
those, ADPSI think it's 

904
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,920
incredibly valuable. 
Absolutely. 

905
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,520
Even just from a portfolio 
management thing of like, you 

906
00:49:55,520 --> 00:50:00,000
know, hearing that you're 
getting Mostert behind Wilson, 

907
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,800
it really that's stung because I
didn't take that much Mostert on

908
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:07,000
underdog partly 'cause I was 
like I can always just get 

909
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,600
Wilson. 
But if you know, you could go 

910
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,480
over on the other side and it's 
it's flipped, you kind of 

911
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,440
naturally end up on the cheapest
guy. 

912
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,600
If your whole thing is, I'll 
just take the cheapest guy on 

913
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:19,640
FFPC. 
The cheapest guy is the one who 

914
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:24,120
wins it. 
For sure, who ended up being 

915
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:28,200
like some of your big stands in 
season long across either 

916
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:35,160
underdog or FFPC. 
So yeah, I mentioned Raheem, 

917
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:39,080
yeah was a was a big player. 
I had a lot of tank. 

918
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:45,160
Dell I did take a big stand on 
on CDI mean at point I was 

919
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,480
taking them above digs. 
Oh, nice. 

920
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,560
So I had him on my board at 
around 8th. 

921
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:56,200
He was kind of going on. 
The turn took a big, big stand 

922
00:50:56,200 --> 00:51:01,600
on him, which worked out. 
Yeah, it's cool. 400 point PPR 

923
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:08,120
seasons. 
You said on your board, do you 

924
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:12,240
set your own ranks? 
Are you tweaking other ranks or 

925
00:51:12,240 --> 00:51:13,960
just tweaking ADP? 
How do you go about that? 

926
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:20,720
I am tweaking my ranks off of 
legends like Pat, Gretch, you 

927
00:51:21,240 --> 00:51:22,840
and. 
You don't have to butter me up. 

928
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:30,160
I don't have any ranks to take. 
I'm AADP hound at the end of the

929
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:35,200
day looking, looking for some 
margins on that and sort of 

930
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,920
going through the draft cycle 
and trying to find some edges in

931
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:42,160
that and. 
So it does sound like you 

932
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,080
approach all of this. 
It's, you know if you do day 

933
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:48,440
trading that it is like a very 
market based game for you and if

934
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,760
you're putting that kind of 
volume in, it almost has to be. 

935
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:52,960
Yeah, I think that's fair to 
say. 

936
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,800
Like I said, this was my first 
big stab specifically at the 

937
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,760
FFPC, so I kind of took that 
approach. 

938
00:51:59,720 --> 00:52:03,680
Do you, I mean, do you mind 
sharing any kind of like like 

939
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,800
what was a big stand for you? 
Like if, if most are like what 

940
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,520
kind of percent of the FFPC 
teams? 

941
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,400
I gotta. 
I gotta pull up my exposures. 

942
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,280
I haven't checked in in a 
moment, OK. 

943
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,960
'Cause, I mean there's some, I 
mean it's it's sort of a a risk 

944
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:22,520
tolerance thing I think where 
you know, I tend to get a little

945
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:26,000
bit more consistently carried 
away than like Pete does for 

946
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:29,320
example, I'll get up to 30% on a
couple guys usually. 

947
00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:34,360
Yeah. 
What was funny is one of my 

948
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:38,360
highly exposed tight ends was 
actually Tucker Craft. 

949
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:39,960
Adam had like. 
Really. 

950
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,960
Nice big. 
Stand because he was going on 

951
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:46,840
well, I guess in. 
FFP, He's going undrafted. 

952
00:52:47,720 --> 00:52:53,800
Even on FFPC. 
Yes, I think I had, I mean 20% 

953
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:57,600
on 115 FFPC teams. 
Is was that like a film guy 

954
00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:59,840
take, like you didn't buy Luke 
Musgrave? 

955
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,480
It was. 
I just kind of went down this 

956
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:07,800
wormhole and I was like, Sucker 
Craft is going to beat out 

957
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:11,320
Musgrave. 
He's Dallas Goader 2 point O 

958
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:14,080
I've read this. 
He might. 

959
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:20,520
Maybe he might be right. 
I read the The Bruegler's Beast 

960
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,120
Guide and it was just he. 
Was. 

961
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:28,680
A slalom ski master at 12 years 
old or something, and I just 

962
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,960
took a weird stand on Tucker 
Craft. 

963
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,080
I can't pull up my exposures. 
Everything's sort of. 

964
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:40,920
It's all good. 
It's all locked. 

965
00:53:44,240 --> 00:53:48,440
So I love that though because 
you were talking about I mean 

966
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,480
following ADP to a degree in 
some of those things, but also 

967
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,920
your stand on Lamb. 
I I mean I I think the further 

968
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,400
along just like stepping way 
back, the further along I get in

969
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:00,000
this and do this year after year
after year. 

970
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,600
The the best years I have is 
when I have respect for the 

971
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:06,920
market but also have some stands
and those stands hit right. 

972
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,840
Like, I mean I think you still 
have to have your conviction. 

973
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,440
You got to have your guys. 
You can't just be completely 

974
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,000
market based. 
And so it's funny you're you're 

975
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,800
you said it was like a weird 
stand you took on this solemn 

976
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,640
skier guy that you learn. 
But that same mentality is what 

977
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,720
landed you on a high exposure to
see Lamp being willing to say 

978
00:54:23,720 --> 00:54:26,720
he's better than than Diggs and 
he's my 8th overall player and 

979
00:54:26,720 --> 00:54:31,000
he outscores every receiver but 
two by at least 100 points. 

980
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:34,360
I mean so you you when you hit 
that stand it elevates the whole

981
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:36,360
portfolio. 
You know, it's huge. 

982
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:39,960
I think that's interesting. 
I mean, I think that's in the 

983
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,920
it's a feature, not a bug. 
Even though Tucker Craft sucked,

984
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:43,840
right? 
Like. 

985
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:50,040
Yeah, so Laporta was a key to my
season. 

986
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:53,960
I had 20% Laporta. 
I had him sprinkled into A lot 

987
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:57,880
of main event teams took us down
on Rashid. 

988
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:09,320
I had 20% Rashid Rice JSN. 25 
The skeleton guy I feel I feel 

989
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:12,040
you there if the hits. 
Outweigh the misses, though. 

990
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,800
You're going to how? 
Devastating is it that like 

991
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:16,880
Jason's in the Eno Benjamin 
range. 

992
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,480
Remember Eno Benjamin, advance 
rate player, where he did 

993
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,760
nothing a couple years ago but 
was on all the wedding teams 

994
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:23,240
because the sharp drafters liked
him. 

995
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,600
Hey, he had that touchdown of 
Week 16, OK, You. 

996
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:34,320
Can't. 
That's not, yeah, it seems like 

997
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:36,960
you have a nice blend like 
Gretch was saying of, you know, 

998
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,960
respecting the market but also 
not being afraid to have your 

999
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:41,440
takes. 
And it's like if you're reading,

1000
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:43,840
you know, deep scouting reports 
on this, it sounds like you 

1001
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,400
enjoy some of that. 
You know, I know ball aspect as 

1002
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,080
well. 
I mean, that's how I got into 

1003
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,720
fantasy. 
I just was infatuated with the 

1004
00:55:51,720 --> 00:55:55,640
draft since high school and 
genuinely enjoy following it. 

1005
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,120
NFL Draft is somewhat of my 
Super Bowl. 

1006
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:03,120
I'll watch the combine. 
I'll do all three days at the 

1007
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:06,080
draft. 
So sort of develops like an 

1008
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:11,120
intimate knowledge of players in
the pool and I think it gives 

1009
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:14,480
you the ability to take these 
players stands if you're 

1010
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:19,000
genuinely excited about the 
business side and the NFL draft.

1011
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:23,240
What would be your advice to 
people who are sitting here 

1012
00:56:23,240 --> 00:56:25,160
watching? 
They're like this guy just lives

1013
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:27,600
the dream, splits his time 
between Hawaii and the West 

1014
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:31,280
Coast, ships best ball 
tournaments, meditates during 

1015
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,280
the day. 
What do they have to do to be 

1016
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,040
getting interviewed here? 
On there's this line up 

1017
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,760
two-minute before. 
Yeah. 

1018
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,960
Man, I think they got a 
legendary. 

1019
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,720
Upside's been a valuable 
resource. 

1020
00:56:45,720 --> 00:56:51,520
I have to give you props back 
for shipping BBM and then 

1021
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:57,480
turning this around and does 
such a great resource on. 

1022
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:03,080
But yeah, I would, I would 
advise everyone to sort of dive 

1023
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:08,240
as deep as you can into into 
Pat's leg up and Rotoviz has 

1024
00:57:08,240 --> 00:57:12,360
been a great resource for me 
also. 

1025
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,200
And then Pete Ship chasing, 
you're the man. 

1026
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:20,160
Well, we we we appreciate that. 
Yeah. 

1027
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:23,680
And it sounds like you know as 
someone who deals with markets 

1028
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:27,400
too, you understand variants. 
I mean I assume this is your 

1029
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,720
your best fantasy year by a by a
big margin. 

1030
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:35,800
Yeah, of course, Yeah. 
This is very gratifying. 

1031
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:40,080
That one finally hit after 
winning Bestball. 

1032
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:46,600
I sort of tried to capture that 
momentum and I rolled 10% over 

1033
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:48,760
into the playoff basketball 
challenge. 

1034
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:53,080
And yeah, I'm just grateful it 
worked out. 

1035
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:54,840
Like I said, this count test 
means a lot. 

1036
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,960
I think everyone in the industry
loves the playoff challenges. 

1037
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:01,840
And yeah, it was it was a great 
year. 

1038
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:06,480
I can't wait for 2024. 
Yeah, man, you talk about 

1039
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,800
momentum. 
You got, you got a lot heading 

1040
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:13,200
into this offseason. 
What a how many teams. 

1041
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,200
I mean you you got the bankroll 
ready to go. 

1042
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:18,560
What kind of volume do you think
you're going to get down this 

1043
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:22,320
summer? 
What's the speculation on 

1044
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:24,240
Underdog? 
What's the What's the prize? 

1045
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:28,800
Is it 3.5 or five for BBM 5? 
I think they're going to go for 

1046
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:33,720
five. 
I'll, I'll take the under on 

1047
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:34,960
that. 
You take the under, OK? 

1048
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:39,240
I think, I think we're going to 
see a ton of even different 

1049
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:44,640
offerings this year, as opposed 
to just like making the flagship

1050
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:48,000
as big as possible. 
I also think we're gonna see a 

1051
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:51,760
ton more eliminator tweaks to 
like weekly winners. 

1052
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,920
I think there's gonna be like a 
ton of different places to park 

1053
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,600
your money depending on. 
That seems like the smart way to

1054
00:58:57,600 --> 00:58:59,480
do it and they always make smart
decisions. 

1055
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:03,440
So that the one you're saying 
that that we we don't want it to

1056
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:06,840
be 5, right, Like we want it to 
be flatter payout structures, 

1057
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:08,160
all that. 
So that's what we talk about. 

1058
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,960
I mean, I think what you just 
said, Pete, sounds like the way 

1059
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:12,200
to manage it and that's. 
Awesome. 

1060
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,640
Also to make it a little bit 
easier to make the final would 

1061
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:16,640
be nice. 
And you can't. 

1062
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:19,840
That's the way to get it to be 5
it. 

1063
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:21,720
One way is to make it really 
hard to make the final. 

1064
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,600
And you think, you know, for 
most people, like even people 

1065
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:29,040
who D Gen. and who get a ton of 
entries down it there's normally

1066
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:31,440
the mantra of like, let me just 
get one finals team. 

1067
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:33,280
Like let me just have that one 
sweat. 

1068
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:35,960
And so the more kind of 
possibilities in tournaments 

1069
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:40,080
there are to realize that like 
as much as we joke about the the

1070
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:42,880
chasing crane like it's like 
does it really matter if it's 2 

1071
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:46,640
million or 3 million or 1 1/2 
like at at that point like it's 

1072
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:49,280
just like it, it doesn't really 
change it. 

1073
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:53,360
And I know underdog now they are
not concerned about that number 

1074
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:56,400
from a marketing standpoint 
which used to be the reason for 

1075
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:58,080
we have to be the biggest the 
what. 

1076
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:00,880
I know that that is no longer a 
consideration. 

1077
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:03,400
All right. 
Yeah. 

1078
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:04,480
I'll. 
Probably be Max. 

1079
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:08,480
I'll probably be maxing BBM 5 S 
Oh yeah, first across some 

1080
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,120
paths. 
Pat and San Diego. 

1081
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:14,440
I'll be multi tabling over some 
coffee but. 

1082
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:20,320
San Diego's turning into quite 
the the the little best ball hub

1083
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:23,200
we got. 
You know TJS down there? 

1084
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:24,800
Is there someone else I'm 
forgetting? 

1085
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:28,240
Just just just Toyo and Karain 
holding it down. 

1086
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:32,160
Christian, who was in Vegas with
us, is is out here. 

1087
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:35,360
OK, there you go. 
There you go. 

1088
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:37,640
Have you done any of? 
The Big Board Drafts yet, Pat, 

1089
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:39,200
have you been? 
Where's? 

1090
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:44,600
I think I've got like 25 in 
yeah, I've got. 

1091
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:47,920
I'm trying to test the rankings 
and, you know, make sure I'm. 

1092
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:52,720
I'm like, 'cause I it's just 
such a actually drafting is just

1093
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:56,520
such a easy way to to dial stuff
in. 

1094
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:58,640
Like I can get kind of the 
blocks of where everything 

1095
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:01,240
should go, and then it's like, 
why is this guy at the top? 

1096
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:03,040
That's I don't want. 
I don't want him. 

1097
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:07,640
But Pat, admit you got bullied 
into drafting because people 

1098
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:10,600
wanted rankings and so that you 
had to get the rankings out. 

1099
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:12,560
And then to get the rankings 
out, you had to do drafting to 

1100
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:14,920
help inform. 
Those I got bullied by. 

1101
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:16,640
Underdog. 
Underdog did this. 

1102
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:20,880
They released the tournament 
earlier than last year and then 

1103
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:26,040
I had to dive into my rookie 
research a a few weeks early. 

1104
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:29,560
I do. 
I actually like now, you know, 

1105
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:32,640
being where I am on the rookies,
like I feel ahead of schedule 

1106
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:36,520
and that's a nice feeling. 
But yeah, I had AI had a week or

1107
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:39,400
so that I thought was going to 
be chill. 

1108
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:42,040
And it wasn't chill at all. 
I will. 

1109
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:46,000
I'll give you another plug Pat I
I consumed my first bit of like 

1110
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:50,040
rookie prospect content and it 
was your pod with Connor Rogers 

1111
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:54,080
and that was really good. 
It was like both informative but

1112
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:56,640
just like high level, like I 
felt I wasn't like drowning in 

1113
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:58,520
stats and I'm like I don't even 
remember which guy you're 

1114
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:02,360
talking about kind of thing. 
So if you're like me and would 

1115
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:05,520
like a quick little primer, I 
enjoyed that, but Gretch and I 

1116
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:07,640
holding out strong. 
That's right. 

1117
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:13,400
No drafts yet. 
I I refuse to start the the bias

1118
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:14,960
train. 
I don't want to get, you know 

1119
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:16,680
any. 
I don't want any stances on 

1120
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:18,880
anything. 
Right now I'm I'm putting it off

1121
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:21,720
as long as I can. 
Davis was already on the swole 

1122
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:24,400
cast on Wednesday, trying to 
tell me like, oh, I know who's 

1123
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:26,200
going to be your guys's Sky 
Moore. 

1124
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:28,160
Over at Chippy. 
I was like stop, get, get. 

1125
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:29,760
Stop. 
Get out of here. 

1126
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:32,160
I don't want to. 
Hear that? 

1127
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:36,480
You think this, the early 
involvement might confuse you 

1128
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:40,680
when the real games begin. 
Is that your stance or because 

1129
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:43,680
I'm looking at this as an 
exciting warm up? 

1130
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:47,160
I mean, I I wouldn't mind doing 
some drafting. 

1131
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:49,520
I don't. 
I I it wasn't like a really firm

1132
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:50,880
stance. 
I would say that, you know, I've

1133
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:53,000
done this for eight years. 
The years that I've been really 

1134
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:56,200
engaged in the offseason, I've 
found it harder to come off some

1135
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:59,200
of my stances because you have 
to argue them when you're making

1136
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:02,280
content, when you're when you're
creating, you know, pieces of 

1137
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:03,640
content, you're talking about it
on pods. 

1138
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:05,920
You're writing stuff. 
You're making big analytical 

1139
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:09,000
arguments supporting this player
or that player. 

1140
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:11,240
You tend to dig your heels in a 
little bit. 

1141
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:14,280
It makes it a lot harder over 
the six months of, you know, 

1142
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:17,320
from February to August to then 
get off that in August. 

1143
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:20,000
I've enjoyed the years where 
I've put it off as much as 

1144
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:24,520
possible and left myself what 
I've told myself is analytically

1145
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:28,240
flexible so that when I get 
later into the year I'm I'm able

1146
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:29,400
to come off some of these 
things. 

1147
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:32,400
I don't feel like I'm like 
putting myself on a certain path

1148
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:35,920
or biasing my because I think 
that's the way to play. 

1149
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:37,760
It's something that Pat does 
really, really well. 

1150
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:40,440
I don't do it as well. 
I I get like sort of obsessive 

1151
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:41,920
on guys. 
But Pat, throughout the year 

1152
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:45,400
we'll be on one guy and then be 
off him for a stretch and and 

1153
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:47,400
he's able to like play it like a
stock market thing. 

1154
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:49,680
You mentioned that you've done 
that type of stuff with your 

1155
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:51,920
background it might be something
that you are you know it's 

1156
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:54,400
easier for you to navigate. 
It's tougher for me to navigate.

1157
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:56,360
When I start to do my, I'm a 
very much an. 

1158
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:58,760
An an an analyst. 
And when I start to do my 

1159
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:02,160
analysis really deep, I start to
formulate opinions that I have a

1160
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:04,120
hard time coming off of. 
So I wanna I want more 

1161
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:05,920
information before I get that 
deep into it. 

1162
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:10,960
I'm just chasing ADPI think in 
these early contests, which is a

1163
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:12,760
good time. 
Yeah. 

1164
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:15,960
I mean, the combine's a market 
moving event. 

1165
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:21,320
Like, I mean, Pat's boy Troy 
Franklin, like, if he's weighing

1166
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:27,600
in at 187 as opposed to 197 and 
you accumulated some Troy, 

1167
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:30,320
you're like, oh. 
Toyo, I think we're rooting for 

1168
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:32,560
187 at this point. 
I'm worried he's going to be 

1169
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:35,360
like 177. 
That's 63. 

1170
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:40,120
Yeah, dude, he's he. 
Dane Bruegler has enlisted sub 

1171
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:42,400
180 in his ranks. 
I was like, Oh no. 

1172
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,880
You guys are so sick like your 
tagline for drafting big board 

1173
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:48,720
teams right now, so you have a 
weigh in sweat at the combine 

1174
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:52,800
like. 
Dude, I. 

1175
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:54,320
Didn't cheer on roadies for the 
weigh in. 

1176
01:04:54,600 --> 01:05:00,080
I did a pod with Davis today and
he he was touting this dude Sion

1177
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:05,760
Vaki out of Utah and he he's 
like a deep running back sleeper

1178
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:07,960
and we're like, dude, I haven't 
heard of this guy. 

1179
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:11,240
He's like well, he's converting 
from safety. 

1180
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:14,840
It's unclear if he's going to 
enter the draft as a safety or 

1181
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:17,880
as a running back, but like if 
it's as a running back, wheels 

1182
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:20,520
up well. 
You know, you know who has no 

1183
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:22,640
problem adjusting their priors 
on the fly? 

1184
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:26,000
One Mr. Davis Fucking bad. 
That's that's not a concern. 

1185
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:28,880
He will discard this guy on the 
trash heap for a week. 

1186
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:32,560
Drafting a dude and then he's a 
safety. 

1187
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,560
Davis is looking for this year's
Puka Nukua and he went straight 

1188
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:38,680
to the Utah schools and he was 
like, all right, I got this 

1189
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:41,360
safety from from Utah, that's 
that's this year's. 

1190
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:43,480
He might be a running back. 
We'll take him. 

1191
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:47,960
That is the other and I'm I'm 
not discrediting the value in 

1192
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:50,920
diving in now but it's it's 
crazy to think of like you know 

1193
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:54,280
Toyo mentions the combine being 
like a market moving event and 

1194
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:56,720
obviously the draft and even 
training camp and think like how

1195
01:05:56,720 --> 01:06:01,440
long it took to even get tank 
Dell like firmly on the fantasy 

1196
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:04,640
drafting radar and then even 
Puka obviously even later than 

1197
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:07,360
that. 
It's like these Uber smashes and

1198
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:10,720
they weren't even coming into 
focus like in May, you know, 

1199
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:12,760
after multiple market moving 
events. 

1200
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:16,800
And Puke was a great example of 
where by the time he came on I 

1201
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:19,320
had decided that he wasn't good.
I didn't do a lot of research on

1202
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:20,240
him. 
I wrote about him all 

1203
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:23,360
extensively after stealing 
signals or after Week 1 and 

1204
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:26,680
signals and and had him as the 
top waiver pick up and was 

1205
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:30,160
really high on him Because I 
went back and looked at the 

1206
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:32,360
stuff that I like to look at and
saw how good he was at Target's 

1207
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:34,200
Pride run. 
It really was just a routes run 

1208
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:38,080
issue and that the the routes 
were there for him immediately. 

1209
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:39,800
With the Rams it's like this is 
going to stick. 

1210
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:41,760
His huge first week was going to
stick. 

1211
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:43,960
It's pretty clear. 
But I was. 

1212
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:46,880
So I've heard a lot about him, 
even in my recap stuff this 

1213
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:49,960
offseason. 
He's one that for me is a good 

1214
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:53,320
example of where I I mean, I 
feel like I was too confident 

1215
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:57,680
that he couldn't play before, 
you know, when he came onto the 

1216
01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:01,080
scene late as opposed to being 
flexible enough to like go back 

1217
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:02,560
and look at it while we're still
drafting. 

1218
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:04,480
Because I didn't really want to 
even draft him while we're still

1219
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:06,040
drafting. 
I didn't go back and look at it 

1220
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:07,640
after week one. 
Well, then it's a little late, 

1221
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:10,240
you know? 
So those are those are examples.

1222
01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:13,520
I was so annoyed with myself. 
I was like team, rookie wide 

1223
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:16,760
receiver team, draft Rams wide 
receivers. 

1224
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:20,800
Got really into Kyren, was 
drafting Stafford in Tutu and 

1225
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:25,160
then it's like puka Nah you. 
Idiot. 

1226
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:30,400
I took a little stand on the 
Cincinnati wide receiver in 

1227
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:32,840
these early drafts. 
Andre Yossi. 

1228
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:34,800
Voss's, yeah. 
Yeah. 

1229
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:39,120
Maybe the next puka, but maybe 
not at that extreme. 

1230
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:41,560
Level. 
Sean loved him last year out of 

1231
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:43,320
Princeton. 
I remember talking to him a lot 

1232
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:46,760
about Yoshi Vosh I. 
Just saw the IT looks like T 

1233
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:49,280
Higgins is gonna get tagged 
though, so. 

1234
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:52,320
What's Boyd's contract? 
He's a free agent. 

1235
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:55,760
Free agent 'cause he could, he 
could slide into that Boyd role.

1236
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:59,120
What's Boyd's value? 
Right, Right. 

1237
01:07:59,880 --> 01:08:03,040
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1238
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:05,880
That's an interesting. 
Pat, does your big board 

1239
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:10,640
rankings at all reflect 
potential landing spots, 

1240
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:18,439
specifically in the top ten? 
Well, so basically last year I I

1241
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:24,600
was in these early drafts, I 
drafted a lot of Zay thinking 

1242
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:26,680
that the Chargers were going to 
draft them. 

1243
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:31,279
I was like, Zay is going to be 
drafted by the Chargers, which 

1244
01:08:31,279 --> 01:08:36,080
was sort of a. 
They they wanted him. 

1245
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:38,439
That was the whole thing about 
there being a disconnect I heard

1246
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:41,760
between right, yeah, the the GM 
and the coaching. 

1247
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:43,439
I forget maybe it was Brett 
Coleman when I was hanging out 

1248
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:46,319
with him this week and he was 
telling me that that the the 

1249
01:08:46,319 --> 01:08:48,240
coaches wanted zay. 
Anyway, sorry. 

1250
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:53,720
No, I just think it's it might 
be a viable strategy in this in 

1251
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:59,000
these early tournaments to sort 
of project landing spots 

1252
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:03,319
specifically in the top 10. 
So I was just, I'm looking at 

1253
01:09:03,319 --> 01:09:07,439
your rankings. 
I'm just wondering if there's 

1254
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:13,560
any landing spot projections. 
Not really. 

1255
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:16,399
I would. 
If Harrison goes to the 

1256
01:09:16,399 --> 01:09:19,720
Cardinals, I think I'll even 
have him a little higher. 

1257
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:23,000
If he goes to the Patriots, 
though, I think he's got to come

1258
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:25,840
down a little bit. 
So I'm sort of, I'm not 

1259
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:28,439
projecting that. 
I guess I'm lean. 

1260
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:33,040
He's probably more Cardinals 
baked in there than not And then

1261
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:36,920
I think the other Patriots part 
of that is you know do they end 

1262
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:41,319
up with Jaden Daniels or Drake 
May and I think there's a little

1263
01:09:41,319 --> 01:09:44,880
bit of risk to the May pick. 
You know if he goes to the 

1264
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:49,600
Patriots it's just such a such a
bummer that weapons they can't 

1265
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:52,880
protect him very well. 
But he's so cheap and I think 

1266
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:55,480
he's such a value that I'm like 
I'm kind of drafting through it,

1267
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:57,040
you know, and at the rank 
reflects that. 

1268
01:09:57,040 --> 01:10:00,040
But not really. 
I mean I think the like 

1269
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:04,200
Neighbors is pretty well set up 
in the top ten. 

1270
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:09,400
Like he he could go to the 
Cardinals if if Harrison were to

1271
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:12,960
go to the Patriots, he could go 
to the charges, he could go to 

1272
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:14,200
the Giants. 
I think all those are pretty 

1273
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:19,200
decent spots and I'm not super 
worried about a doomsday because

1274
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:21,080
a doomsday could end up like 
with the Bears or something. 

1275
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:23,560
And that's pretty, pretty sweet 
if they've just got Caleb 

1276
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:26,280
Williams. 
So I would say that they aren't 

1277
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:29,680
really baked in, but partly 
because I'm not that like 

1278
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:35,080
concerned in terms of the 
downside and I'm above market on

1279
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:37,320
all those guys by at least a 
little bit. 

1280
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:42,360
Because I'm go ahead, I'm 
concerned. 

1281
01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:46,240
On the downside, when I'm 
drafting these teams, I think 

1282
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:50,200
the draft starts at 5. 
I'm my lien. 

1283
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:55,080
Caleb goes one. 
I'm taking Drake with Terry and 

1284
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:57,720
John I'm. 
I like that, yeah. 

1285
01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:00,840
That's how I try to. 
Get it too that the commanders 

1286
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:06,120
are taking Drake. 
Although that seems like there's

1287
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:10,040
a lot of steam coming. 
Jayden in the three spot is a 

1288
01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:13,920
sacrificial lamb spot. 
I just think Patriots take 

1289
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:17,920
Jayden or is Marvin Harrison 
junior. 

1290
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:20,960
If the Cardinals don't take 
them, someone else is going to 

1291
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:24,040
come up. 
Then the real NFL draft begins 

1292
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:29,520
at 5:00. 
Mylene is Harbaugh takes the 

1293
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:36,000
tackle from Notre Dame or 
Bowers, and that's when the 

1294
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:39,680
other sacrificial lamb spot 
comes in at six. 

1295
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:45,040
Which is why I haven't been 
taking much Neighbors on the 

1296
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:48,840
basis that I think Neighbors is 
just going to separate from a 

1297
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:53,880
doomsday, and I just think the 
Giants are going to take him at 

1298
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:57,160
six. 
Here when you guys say neighbors

1299
01:11:57,200 --> 01:12:00,200
I for the first time, I'm 
realizing that it's like the 

1300
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:02,360
person that lives next to you 
because I've always seen it 

1301
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:04,080
written. 
I think I haven't like listened 

1302
01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:06,120
to it like it sounds just like 
neighbors. 

1303
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:08,880
I was like, wait, neighbors 
NEIGH like, oh, that's who 

1304
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:11,000
you're talking about. 
Is it neighbors or? 

1305
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:13,240
Yeah, it's neighbors. 
No, it's neighbors. 

1306
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:16,720
It sounds exactly like that, 
Yeah. 

1307
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:21,480
I mean, someone's getting in the
lab on, yeah, we got some. 

1308
01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:24,520
Stuff to work on here. 
My neighbors. 

1309
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:26,640
I think the Giants could cut 
Waller. 

1310
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:29,560
And so I just think the targets 
available in New York could be 

1311
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:31,320
huge. 
And I just think neighbors so 

1312
01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:33,680
good that I, I hear what you're 
saying. 

1313
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:38,000
But he's he's the type of 
prospect who we would be so, so 

1314
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:40,480
excited about if Harrison wasn't
in this class. 

1315
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:43,600
I I think it's sharp though, 
Zach. 

1316
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:46,680
The in something even when I was
doing the big board stuff last 

1317
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:49,680
year, I wasn't doing enough of, 
which is taking a stand on the 

1318
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:52,240
stack because unless it's 
unless. 

1319
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:55,120
It's like the only downside 
scenario would be if it was like

1320
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:59,000
a 5050 spot where 50% of the 
market was stacking in one way 

1321
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:00,920
and then you were wrong stacking
of the other. 

1322
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:04,000
But like, that's not the case. 
Most people aren't stacking, and

1323
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:06,640
so even if you're wrong, you 
just have him unstacked. 

1324
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:11,560
Like, what, 95% of the field? 
Does most likely and you have a 

1325
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:14,120
little bit of a stack on their 
passing game if you have both 

1326
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:17,080
you know McLaren and and Dotson 
you still have like a little bit

1327
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:19,480
of the receiver thing going on 
or or however you're playing 

1328
01:13:19,480 --> 01:13:23,720
that I I wonder about may like I
I know that they're they're not 

1329
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:28,080
gonna put all the weight on. 
I'm a little concerned about 

1330
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:31,320
Washington's new ownership. 
And then you have the basically 

1331
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:34,280
the point I'm trying to make is 
you have Howell from UNC, you 

1332
01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:36,920
have May from UNC. 
It's right up the road from 

1333
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:38,280
Washington. 
There's a lot of people that 

1334
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:41,360
live in DC that are front like 
that went to UNC and stuff. 

1335
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:48,160
It's not, it's like right below 
Virginia geographically, North 

1336
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:51,200
Carolina is. 
So anyway, I I wonder a little 

1337
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:54,560
bit if it's like a a little push
to be like we can't take another

1338
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:57,480
UNC quarterback and that's going
to actually sway them. 

1339
01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:03,040
It shouldn't. 
I'm I'm vaguely worried about 

1340
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:07,200
that. 
Yeah the the downside right. 

1341
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:11,920
Like even like let's say you 
take McLaren Dotson maybe when 

1342
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:13,880
you go like Brian Robinson 
you're really building out the 

1343
01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:17,000
stack. 
You grab Drake May and then they

1344
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:21,120
take Jayden Daniels. 
Like, I mean Jayden Daniels is 

1345
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:23,680
still going to throw the ball 
like a fair amount I think like 

1346
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:26,840
he's and he's got you know he's 
AI like May a lot better as a 

1347
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:28,640
passer. 
But I don't know that you're 

1348
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:32,760
devastated that you have the 
Washington guys, like I think 

1349
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:34,720
they can probably still get 
there. 

1350
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:38,320
So it's a build I think worth 
like the downside isn't that bad

1351
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:39,560
even if it doesn't come 
together. 

1352
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:43,440
So I like I've been doing that 
too, trying to trying to do the 

1353
01:14:43,440 --> 01:14:46,520
Washington stack. 
The more I hear people talk 

1354
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:48,960
about this draft class, I'm 
starting to get the vibes that 

1355
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:54,560
has the potential to be like one
of the best, like fantasy rookie

1356
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:58,920
drafting experiences. 
Yet just if you think about it 

1357
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:02,040
this way, ton of wide receiver 
talent that we're going to be 

1358
01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:05,600
able to draft. 
Ton of quarterback, viable 

1359
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:08,400
quarterbacks that you're going 
to be able to take in drafts 

1360
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:10,120
for. 
Sometimes you're just like, do I

1361
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:12,800
really want to take these guys? 
And then you're going to have so

1362
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:15,840
much ambiguity at running back, 
right, where you're just going 

1363
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:18,640
to have this flood of guys who 
are probably going to be like 

1364
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:22,880
past 100 you know, picks or 
double digit plus round picks 

1365
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:26,000
because we're not going to get a
ton of studs with like really 

1366
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:28,480
early. 
It's last year's class without 

1367
01:15:28,480 --> 01:15:32,160
Robinson and Gibbs. 
Right, And so that not having 

1368
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:35,440
the certainty there is probably 
going to just create a shit ton 

1369
01:15:35,440 --> 01:15:38,880
of like viable options like 
rounds 10 through 16. 

1370
01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:42,080
Totally, yeah. 
There's a bunch of like. 

1371
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:44,920
A great recipe for fun fantasy 
drafting. 

1372
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:46,600
It is. 
It does seem really fun. 

1373
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:50,000
Pat, where did you where have 
you fallen on On a Doons I early

1374
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:54,600
in your research? 
I'm I have like the most boring 

1375
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:56,720
take ever. 
Like I I'm like he what's I 

1376
01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:57,760
thought? 
You're gonna hate him. 

1377
01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:00,000
No, I don't hate him. 
I was kind of, like, 

1378
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:01,800
disappointed. 
I didn't hate him, 'cause I 

1379
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:03,440
think, 'cause you were like, 
Pat, you're gonna hate him. 

1380
01:16:03,440 --> 01:16:06,320
And I was like, oh, yeah, I'm 
gonna let me make my own take. 

1381
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:10,640
And then I then I came in, I was
like, he's a traditional outside

1382
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:13,840
wide receiver. 
He's you know, generally seen as

1383
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:16,520
like very scheme proof. 
He's going to kind of fit into 

1384
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:19,480
whatever. 
He was productive, broke out as 

1385
01:16:19,480 --> 01:16:22,760
a 19 year old. 
He was productive throughout his

1386
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:25,920
career. 
He was efficient as an 

1387
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:27,800
underclassman in yards per 
outrun. 

1388
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:32,840
He did not have a lot of 
contested deep, deep targets, 

1389
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:35,840
which I generally like is like a
sign of being able to separate 

1390
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:37,200
deep. 
But he has a really good 

1391
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:39,840
contested catch rate. 
So it's like you can win jump 

1392
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:41,680
balls but you can also separate.
That's good. 

1393
01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:45,080
I'd like to see him test well. 
Like if he doesn't test well, 

1394
01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:46,840
that would be like a minor 
concern. 

1395
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:49,200
But generally, I'm like, yeah, 
cool. 

1396
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:51,920
Like, he seems good. 
He checks a lot of boxes. 

1397
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:53,480
Right. 
He's like a all. 

1398
01:16:53,480 --> 01:16:58,040
Around like Solid Receiver. 
I always felt like totally film,

1399
01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:00,760
film take, 'cause I haven't dug 
into the numbers really at all, 

1400
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:02,840
and then like compare him to 
other prospects and stuff. 

1401
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:05,280
But I always felt like he was 
reliable. 

1402
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:07,840
He did everything you wanted out
of a receiver, those types of 

1403
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:10,720
things. 
But I'm biased as hell, so I'm 

1404
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:13,080
interested to hear you talk 
about him that way where it 

1405
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:15,680
feels like he does every, like 
you said, he can separate deep 

1406
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:16,960
but also wink and test he 
catches. 

1407
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:19,240
That's the kind of thing that 
like when you watched him every 

1408
01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:21,920
week you're like, yeah, you 
could go to him and he would win

1409
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:24,600
or he would out physical 
somebody at the catch point if 

1410
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:27,800
he didn't win, like he could do.
Either and that's my stats based

1411
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:30,640
take like so it's kind of it's 
it's always fun when it marries 

1412
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:33,160
with you know the film 
evaluations and then you feel 

1413
01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:35,960
like you can feel more confident
but right. 

1414
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:38,360
The other thing is the framing 
of it right is that like in best

1415
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:41,440
ball drafts it's Harrison one 
he's going in like the second 

1416
01:17:41,440 --> 01:17:44,200
round. 
Neighbors is around pick 36, 

1417
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:48,360
Doomsday is around like pick 55 
and then Brian Thomas is like in

1418
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:50,800
the mid 70s or something so or 
late 70s. 

1419
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:55,680
So you're every one of those 
guys are in their own tier. 

1420
01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:58,400
You have to go past pick 100 to 
get to the next group of wide 

1421
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:01,960
receivers. 
And if that feels right to me 

1422
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:05,680
like if Odunze was challenging 
neighbors, I'd be like this is 

1423
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:07,080
nuts. 
We're looking at like this 

1424
01:18:07,480 --> 01:18:11,560
really high end early declare 
declare prospect believe he led 

1425
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:14,080
the SEC in receiving yards two 
years in a row as an 

1426
01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:17,240
underclassmen like come on why 
is it why are we talking about 

1427
01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:19,400
Odunze next to this guy but 
we're not. 

1428
01:18:19,480 --> 01:18:23,520
You're getting like you know a 
20 pick discount went before you

1429
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:26,240
have to even think about Odunze.
So it seems like efficiently 

1430
01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:28,440
priced to me. 
And he might get a much better 

1431
01:18:28,440 --> 01:18:30,200
quarterback right if he's going 
later. 

1432
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:31,600
Potentially, Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1433
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:36,400
So so I'm I'm taking more. 
Of Dunesay than I like Neighbors

1434
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:37,920
more, but I'm taking more of 
Dunesay. 

1435
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:42,120
Just 'cause I'm scared that 
Neighbors is landing with the 

1436
01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:44,480
Giants. 
And let's just say a Dunesay, 

1437
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:50,480
let's say Chicago goes Caleb and
then at 9 takes a Dunesay. 

1438
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:53,000
Doesn't a Dunesay come up 
around? 

1439
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:56,760
Yeah, neighbors come down around
and aren't they right next to 

1440
01:18:56,760 --> 01:18:59,280
each other? 
Yeah, and then I'm just 

1441
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:02,240
hammering neighbors for the rest
of the rest of the draft season.

1442
01:19:04,440 --> 01:19:06,760
Well, is it? 
Is it that kind of not not to 

1443
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:09,960
put this on Ben's guy, but is it
that kind of like the Addison 

1444
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:14,560
Quinton Johnston dynamic last 
year where then like the Quinton

1445
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:16,200
Johnson moved up Because don't 
you put. 

1446
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:20,920
That evil. 
That's what I'm saying. 

1447
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:25,040
No, but I think the the. 
I can't wait to make it a Doons 

1448
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:26,840
egg clip. 
That's that's what we're going 

1449
01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:28,560
to have in a Doons egg clip. 
Don't put that. 

1450
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:30,480
Yeah, don't put that. 
On here, come on. 

1451
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:34,040
No, it's not going to be a Doons
egg clip. 

1452
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:36,920
Come on. 
I need a Ave. 

1453
01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:40,320
Maria clip. 
I prior to that Kansas City. 

1454
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:41,520
That's how we got to close, 
yeah. 

1455
01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:43,760
Yeah. 
The Justin Tucker. 

1456
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:45,240
That's the one clip that came 
through. 

1457
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:48,560
Justin Tucker is such the goat 
kicker that even the ship 

1458
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:51,880
chasing clip couldn't ruin it. 
Yeah. 

1459
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:56,280
Sure, all the ship chasers know.
But does the general public know

1460
01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:59,640
that's actually Justin Tucker 
singing opera? 

1461
01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:03,160
It's it's such a beautiful. 
Part of it, I think they I think

1462
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:06,160
they do. 
We we, yeah, I don't know. 

1463
01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:09,640
We've commented on it at times. 
It's so. 

1464
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:13,240
I played that YouTube clip 
before the Kansas City game for 

1465
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:17,440
the Sweat. 
Did you really? 

1466
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:19,200
I did. 
With. 

1467
01:20:19,640 --> 01:20:21,680
Some sage. 
I like it. 

1468
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:25,440
You, man. 
Well, hey man, you know, you 

1469
01:20:25,440 --> 01:20:27,760
said it was a flawed process, 
but that worked out pretty well.

1470
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:31,000
Guys, I think what we need to 
do, because Zach's saying, you 

1471
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:34,080
know, listens to the show, reads
the stuff, looks at the 

1472
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:37,600
ownership projections, but then 
he's doing all of this stuff, 

1473
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:40,960
the meditation, the sage. 
I think we need to meet him 

1474
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:45,040
halfway and that's what's going 
to really ignite our process and

1475
01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:48,880
take it to the next level. 
You boys better call me if you 

1476
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:51,280
ever come to the islands. 
We'll put you in a ice bath 

1477
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:54,280
sauna. 
Open those shockers up. 

1478
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:56,480
All right, dude, Where? 
Where? 

1479
01:20:56,880 --> 01:20:58,640
Which island did you say you 
you're at? 

1480
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:03,000
I'm on the North Shore of Oahu. 
OK, very nice. 

1481
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:04,920
Pete's already scheduled this 
trip. 

1482
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:07,520
That's opening the Shockers up. 
You You had it with the 

1483
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:09,440
Shockers. 
Oh yeah, you had them at Sauna 

1484
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:13,320
for sure. 
I'd be like, sorry honey, I need

1485
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:16,640
to go do this fantasy football 
spiritual journey. 

1486
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:19,800
Where I need to? 
Zach is going to give me some 

1487
01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:22,240
crystals to be back to the 
mainland and help me win a 

1488
01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:25,400
tournament sounds. 
Like a pretty good man's video 

1489
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:30,560
if you want to bring him back. 
Yeah, I know, Zach, we got you, 

1490
01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:34,320
I got you linked down in the 
show, notes your your Twitter. 

1491
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:37,720
Anywhere else the people can 
follow around your chill ass 

1492
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:42,520
vibes. 
Yeah, at Zach Toyo, I think 

1493
01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:47,080
that's where you can find me and
I'll be in the underdog streets 

1494
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:51,480
with that, probably the FFPC. 
So yeah, thanks for having me 

1495
01:21:51,480 --> 01:21:54,440
guys are. 
You going to make a content turn

1496
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:56,360
like everyone else who wins a 
tournament? 

1497
01:21:56,360 --> 01:22:00,760
You going to launch your own 
zenupside.com? 

1498
01:22:02,480 --> 01:22:07,400
So I I I have to say for the 
weekly walkthrough Pat is I 

1499
01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:10,840
can't imagine how much time that
takes. 

1500
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:13,160
It takes like the amount. 
Of time because when it's not 

1501
01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:15,240
out, we got to wait another 12 
hours, so. 

1502
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:20,840
It's been habitual for the past 
three years for me to read Silva

1503
01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:25,920
Silva's match up and I started 
week one with the weekly 

1504
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:32,560
walkthrough and it's become 
habitual for me too, so that 

1505
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:34,920
it's just a unbelievable 
resource. 

1506
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:37,680
But I love to come on and do 
some drafts. 

1507
01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:41,560
Yeah, this is actually a good 
question. 

1508
01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:43,560
I'm curious this too. 
What it What is your handle on 

1509
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:47,640
the I I know it on on Toyo on 
FFPC, but what about underdog? 

1510
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:54,120
Yeah, it's for some reason sub 
fo three. 

1511
01:22:54,120 --> 01:23:01,000
It was SU BF0 3AS in sub 4/3 AS 
in the combine. 

1512
01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:04,680
So I like. 
That for some reason that was 

1513
01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:13,200
taken, so I used the Japanese 
sub fo Stan So SUBFOSAN. 

1514
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:16,640
Sort of an odd name, but. 
Dude, I like it. 

1515
01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:22,960
I like it. 
Gretch, Pat, anything else from 

1516
01:23:23,360 --> 01:23:25,920
from you guys? 
I want to say real quick, last 

1517
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:28,040
thing to wrap up the Omni Cup 
for anyone who was interested in

1518
01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:29,600
that we dropped the link 
earlier. 

1519
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:32,640
We're going to start those 
drafts next Wednesday before 

1520
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:35,640
you're going to see us again. 
I got a lot of people last year.

1521
01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:36,600
They were like, ah, I missed 
out. 

1522
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:39,040
I didn't get signed up in time. 
If you're interested, go put 

1523
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:41,880
your name on the list. 
If you're not interested at that

1524
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:45,320
point, you can you can drop out 
later, but wanted to let 

1525
01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:47,400
everyone know. 
That's five more days to sign up

1526
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:49,880
for that. 
There you go, Pat. 

1527
01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:55,440
Did a pod with Davis and Jacob 
Sanderson today on the rookie 

1528
01:23:55,440 --> 01:23:59,160
class. 
Talked kind of more in depth it 

1529
01:23:59,480 --> 01:24:01,840
as Pete mentioned, I did a pod 
yesterday with Connor Rogers 

1530
01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:06,040
also talking about the rookie 
class and getting some kind of 

1531
01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:08,600
additional context. 
Probably better to start there. 

1532
01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:11,440
It's a little more high level. 
And then tomorrow doing 

1533
01:24:11,440 --> 01:24:13,600
legendary sickos episode with 
Eric Vine four. 

1534
01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:17,480
Also talking rookie. 
So lots of rookie talk on the 

1535
01:24:17,480 --> 01:24:18,800
legendary Upside Podcast 
network. 

1536
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:20,880
Beautiful. 
Yeah. 

1537
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:24,160
As you mentioned, no show next 
week. 

1538
01:24:24,160 --> 01:24:26,880
I'm taking next week completely 
off. 

1539
01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:30,120
We'll get back in the lab. 
Touch base, See what we got for 

1540
01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:35,200
you guys later in the month. 
After that, probably some 

1541
01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:38,800
drafts, probably some more Omni 
check ins, all of that good 

1542
01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:42,240
stuff we can dig into the 
prospects more, all of that. 

1543
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:45,400
But appreciate you and shout out
again to all of the winners in 

1544
01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:48,520
the playoff contest. 
Saw so many screenshots across 

1545
01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:51,400
underdog FFPC, all of that good 
stuff. 

1546
01:24:51,400 --> 01:24:54,480
So appreciate all of you guys 
for hanging with us and 

1547
01:24:54,480 --> 01:24:56,640
congratulations on all of the 
scores. 

1548
01:24:56,840 --> 01:25:00,600
Thank you again to Zach. 
We'll see you guys in a couple 

1549
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:16,240
of weeks. 
The.