1 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:16,480 All right, we're back for another ship chasing Main Event 2 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,320 mini soda where we break down our decisions when we're on the 3 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:20,600 clock. Sometimes we're not on the 4 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,000 clock, like the last episode where we had to record it on the 5 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,000 fact or after the fact. But guess what fellas? 6 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,560 We are literally on the clock and not only are we OTC, we are 7 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:33,240 running wire. We have 17 minutes left to make 8 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,040 this pick and just to prove it to the people. 9 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,640 I will screen share the draft applet. 17 minutes, guys. 10 00:00:39,010 --> 00:00:42,890 Our team so far here, we have 7 wide receivers, a J. 11 00:00:42,890 --> 00:00:45,810 Brown, CD, Lam, Debo, Samuel Deacon, Metcalf Brand and I. 12 00:00:45,810 --> 00:00:48,290 You, Beyonte, Johnson, Jordan, Addison are one running back. 13 00:00:48,290 --> 00:00:52,810 James Cook and we are now on the clock here and we got some 14 00:00:52,810 --> 00:00:55,690 interesting decisions as far as if we want to approach this from 15 00:00:55,690 --> 00:00:57,970 a running back, a tight end perspective, maybe some 16 00:00:57,970 --> 00:01:00,770 quarterbacks and play. I think we all agree looking at 17 00:01:00,770 --> 00:01:02,010 who's available at wide receiver. 18 00:01:02,010 --> 00:01:04,530 This is not a wide receiver pick after what we've done to start 19 00:01:04,530 --> 00:01:07,010 this job. It is not, no. 20 00:01:07,740 --> 00:01:10,100 I'll be impressed if we can finish this in 72 minutes or 21 00:01:10,100 --> 00:01:11,140 not. I'll draft for the second 22 00:01:11,140 --> 00:01:14,100 straight pick. I I refuse to let that happen. 23 00:01:14,980 --> 00:01:18,860 So you know we we had floated the idea of like there are some 24 00:01:18,860 --> 00:01:22,380 interesting quarterback names. I still am not feeling compelled 25 00:01:22,500 --> 00:01:24,940 to use one of these picks on quarterback. 26 00:01:24,940 --> 00:01:28,540 You got Dak Prescott to a Kirk Daniel Jones Rogers Geno Goff 27 00:01:28,540 --> 00:01:31,780 Wilson all still available. To me this feels like. 28 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,720 Running back, running back or running back tight end kind of a 29 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:37,920 a turn to me. Yeah, there's I would just. 30 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:41,240 Just only quarterback thing. I would note the only 31 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:47,520 quarterbacks with an 80P below 132 which is we pick at 131 32 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:50,960 would be our 11th or you know 11th round pick. 33 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:54,840 The only quarterbacks with an AP higher than that are DAC 34 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,960 Prescott at 113 1/2 to a ton. 120, I don't know. 35 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,720 I said try to say that 120 1/2 for Kirk. 36 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:06,040 So yeah, like those three are even that much more appealing 37 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:07,480 than the other guys. I think we just. 38 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,479 Push We do have stacks on DAC and Kirk. 39 00:02:10,479 --> 00:02:13,120 If for some reason either of them fell, we might be able to 40 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:14,800 get a discount. We also have a stack potential 41 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,640 on Gino. And then double stack potential 42 00:02:17,640 --> 00:02:20,240 on pretty even late. I mean like we have options at 43 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:21,800 quarterback. I think when you look at our 44 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,240 receivers, we obviously don't. Have to Dingle Jones might run a 45 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,280 little bit like the only guy I manage. 46 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:28,240 You want to stack with his Waller, and it's fine to do 47 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,600 without. So I I think we have plenty of 48 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:31,920 options. Plus, there's later guys, too. 49 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:37,680 So if we rule out wide receiver, we rule out quarterback. 50 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,480 We can start to hone in on tight end and. 51 00:02:42,870 --> 00:02:46,190 Running back, the two names that jump out to me at Titan and I 52 00:02:46,190 --> 00:02:48,910 feel comfortable talking about these guys because I don't think 53 00:02:48,910 --> 00:02:51,350 they're going to come all the way back around to us in the 54 00:02:51,350 --> 00:02:53,870 11th would be Dalton Schultz and Greg Dolchich. 55 00:02:54,430 --> 00:02:59,590 And then running backs here, you know Charbonnay, Brian Robinson 56 00:02:59,590 --> 00:03:01,710 and Cleel Herbert are the three at the top of the queue. 57 00:03:02,870 --> 00:03:06,030 I am interested in all of those guys to certain degrees. 58 00:03:06,030 --> 00:03:09,490 Is there any other names? That you guys would float. 59 00:03:09,690 --> 00:03:12,650 That you don't think would be available to us when we pick? 60 00:03:12,650 --> 00:03:14,450 It, you know, that's. That would be interesting here. 61 00:03:14,890 --> 00:03:16,970 That's the really tricky part. I think we're not really. 62 00:03:17,650 --> 00:03:22,490 We're in a spot here where for me this is the start of a new 63 00:03:22,490 --> 00:03:25,290 running back tier that if you look at the last round, the guys 64 00:03:25,290 --> 00:03:27,330 that just went off the port, Rashad Penny was the last 65 00:03:27,330 --> 00:03:29,010 running back. I think I've made my love for 66 00:03:29,010 --> 00:03:32,090 him pretty clear. Devon A chain AJ Dylan Somaj, P 67 00:03:32,090 --> 00:03:35,290 Ryan Isaiah Pacheco even went in this ninth round at the front of 68 00:03:35,290 --> 00:03:36,790 it. Those are the running backs that 69 00:03:36,790 --> 00:03:39,310 have gone in this round. Antonio Gibson was the last one 70 00:03:39,310 --> 00:03:42,710 in the eighth, so that's the tier that like I love to hit. 71 00:03:42,710 --> 00:03:43,910 We didn't get a chance to hit that. 72 00:03:45,270 --> 00:03:48,230 The guy that in this group that has kind of fallen a little bit 73 00:03:48,230 --> 00:03:51,710 in AVP on all formats, but I think fits in that tier actually 74 00:03:52,070 --> 00:03:54,190 is Damien Harris. I've been pretty high on him as 75 00:03:54,190 --> 00:03:57,390 well, but we already. Took, so he's the. 76 00:03:57,390 --> 00:04:00,270 Guy that I like the most here. And then I honestly, I think the 77 00:04:00,270 --> 00:04:03,710 next one, if I was just ranking purely might be Jalen Warren 78 00:04:03,710 --> 00:04:07,260 who's way down there. His Adp's 127 as Patrick 79 00:04:07,300 --> 00:04:10,260 mentioned, We get on the clock again at 132, right? 80 00:04:10,740 --> 00:04:12,820 131, but it's worth taking. Here. 81 00:04:13,900 --> 00:04:15,940 Yeah, and I. I like Warren a lot, but I 82 00:04:15,940 --> 00:04:17,660 don't. I mean, I think it's a little 83 00:04:17,660 --> 00:04:20,060 unfair to Brian Robinson to say he's not in the same tier as 84 00:04:20,060 --> 00:04:22,700 Antonio Gibson, given that he might be the starter over 85 00:04:22,700 --> 00:04:25,580 Gibson. So, but I don't really feel like 86 00:04:25,580 --> 00:04:27,940 pounding the table for Brian Robinson either in this managed 87 00:04:27,940 --> 00:04:32,500 league PPR format like I take a lot of him in best ball. 88 00:04:33,930 --> 00:04:35,410 I don't think he's particularly excited. 89 00:04:35,650 --> 00:04:37,610 The Commanders don't have a good offensive line. 90 00:04:37,610 --> 00:04:39,170 He's going to be more of A2 down guy. 91 00:04:39,970 --> 00:04:43,050 That's the big issue for me in the difference in tiers. 205 92 00:04:43,050 --> 00:04:45,690 carries, 12 targets. Yeah, really. 93 00:04:45,970 --> 00:04:47,290 Trapped. And that's probably not going to 94 00:04:47,290 --> 00:04:50,330 change a ton. Yeah, I think Charbonne's kind 95 00:04:50,330 --> 00:04:53,290 of interesting, but, you know, it's tough to want to take him 96 00:04:53,290 --> 00:04:55,930 right here given that he has an injury that's going to keep him 97 00:04:55,930 --> 00:05:02,500 out indefinitely. The guy I'm probably like would 98 00:05:02,500 --> 00:05:05,940 be saddest to lose on this turn would be Dolcich. 99 00:05:07,100 --> 00:05:11,420 It's it's the guy where like, if I can envision someone being 100 00:05:11,420 --> 00:05:14,140 like, thank God we took this guy right? 101 00:05:14,140 --> 00:05:17,060 You get Sean Payton, he certainly knows how to use a 102 00:05:17,060 --> 00:05:20,660 field stretching tight ends. Some what Dulcich said last year 103 00:05:20,660 --> 00:05:22,460 is impressive. Some wasn't that impressive. 104 00:05:22,460 --> 00:05:24,500 It was a bit of a hit or miss rookie campaign. 105 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,800 But, you know, he wasn't bad in a lot of stuff that I look at. 106 00:05:28,840 --> 00:05:31,480 And you know, he had that high a dot that we were looking for, 107 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:35,600 which is nice. He got targeted at decent rate. 108 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:39,360 And you know, Tim Patrick going out could help him a little bit 109 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,880 as like a red zone presence. And I think compared to a guy 110 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,200 like Schultz, you know, he doesn't have a rookie 111 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:46,920 quarterback. He's got a quarterback who has a 112 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,920 theoretical centering. Well, he could be. 113 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:51,400 Yeah, I mean, that's the thing with us. 114 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:53,400 It's a bit of a range of outcomes. 115 00:05:53,940 --> 00:05:57,860 It's a wider range of outcomes, but I like that you know that we 116 00:05:57,860 --> 00:05:59,180 do. I think we get access to a 117 00:05:59,180 --> 00:06:02,100 little more ceiling with all such compared to Schultz, but 118 00:06:02,100 --> 00:06:05,060 you're probably taking on more risk cuz Russ might be washed. 119 00:06:05,700 --> 00:06:07,340 Pete, you like Charbonnay, right? 120 00:06:07,340 --> 00:06:10,140 As we kind of did a little bit of chatting and I was coming 121 00:06:10,140 --> 00:06:11,860 around to that. So this is interesting. 122 00:06:12,340 --> 00:06:14,460 Pat, So do you have a case for Charbonnay? 123 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,560 Do I or do Pete? No, Pete, I was asking Pete. 124 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:22,920 Oh, sorry. So here's my thing. 125 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:27,280 I agree with Pat that Dulcic of all these guys is the guy I 126 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:31,680 least want to miss out on, which has me leaning to prioritize 127 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,640 that and then seeing what the room give us that running back. 128 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,760 The reason I am not just saying let's windmill it in on 129 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:41,120 Charbonnay is just knowing that drafters are very spooked right 130 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:45,280 now and that cheap prices could potentially be coming on him. 131 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:49,680 He also I think even without this injury tag is probably not 132 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:53,200 a fast start running back right. He is a late season play like 133 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:55,400 that's why you're drafting Charbonnay, because we know if 134 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,300 Walker goes down like. He's going to be a league 135 00:06:57,300 --> 00:06:59,580 winning running back at this at this pick. 136 00:06:59,620 --> 00:07:02,540 And so to me, like if we are trying to look for a little bit 137 00:07:02,540 --> 00:07:05,500 more fast start production at running back, the guy I'm kind 138 00:07:05,500 --> 00:07:07,660 of gravitating to a little bit as Khalil Herbert. 139 00:07:07,940 --> 00:07:10,660 I think he pairs like pretty nicely with the James Cook as 140 00:07:10,660 --> 00:07:14,140 far as this like true punt 0RV build where we could get shut 141 00:07:14,140 --> 00:07:17,020 out on a lot of other targets by the time we come back around. 142 00:07:17,260 --> 00:07:20,220 So it has me like weighing the pros and cons of like. 143 00:07:20,740 --> 00:07:23,940 Really massive late season upside versus making sure we 144 00:07:23,940 --> 00:07:26,980 don't get buried early, but then that has me coming back to do we 145 00:07:26,980 --> 00:07:29,860 take the tight end here and then see what the room gives us with 146 00:07:29,860 --> 00:07:32,500 these running backs? Do you guys have you guys, you 147 00:07:32,500 --> 00:07:35,100 guys both are more plugged into news than I am? 148 00:07:35,100 --> 00:07:39,740 Have you guys heard much about the Bears order of running backs 149 00:07:39,740 --> 00:07:43,100 early in camp at all? It's Herbert and Foreman with 150 00:07:43,100 --> 00:07:47,620 the Ones and Rochon's nursing and Injury, which I think it's 151 00:07:47,620 --> 00:07:49,380 more of a recent development, but but it would. 152 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,240 Going in, They like Rochon from everything I've heard, but it 153 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,920 was still Herbert in Foreman splitting reps with the ones. 154 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,680 And we know it's going to be a committee, but both guys are 155 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,360 very efficient rushers and there's going to be plenty of 156 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,640 rushing attempts and it's. Going to be an efficient rushing 157 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,360 attack because you have to count on Justin Fields design runs. 158 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:08,160 Exactly. Period. 159 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,600 So I mean, I I like Herbert plenty. 160 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:15,040 I don't love him but like, like I guess if we got Dulce and then 161 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:19,520 one of Charbonnay Herbert and to me Brian Robinson, but. 162 00:08:19,820 --> 00:08:21,060 You know, we could, we could have that. 163 00:08:21,060 --> 00:08:23,860 If that's sort of worst case scenario, probably because I 164 00:08:23,860 --> 00:08:26,420 don't love Robinson, but I'm fine. 165 00:08:26,420 --> 00:08:28,580 I'm personally very fine with that. 166 00:08:29,300 --> 00:08:31,900 Also, if we just want to do a teeny bit of profiling for the 167 00:08:31,900 --> 00:08:34,820 guy on the turn, he was a little hard to read early on. 168 00:08:34,820 --> 00:08:37,860 He has committed to wide receiver here after getting 2 169 00:08:37,860 --> 00:08:39,179 running backs in a tight end early. 170 00:08:39,179 --> 00:08:41,260 He's gone Mike Williams, Mike Evans, Brandon Cooks, Michael 171 00:08:41,260 --> 00:08:44,260 Thomas. I think he could certainly be in 172 00:08:44,260 --> 00:08:48,340 the mix for a running back here. I guess it wouldn't shock me to 173 00:08:48,380 --> 00:08:50,700 see him do another tight end just because drafters like 174 00:08:51,060 --> 00:08:52,980 taking tight ends. I would guess he's he's 175 00:08:52,980 --> 00:08:55,220 definitely live to take a running back with one of these 176 00:08:55,220 --> 00:08:58,740 two picks. If you want to be surprised if 177 00:08:58,740 --> 00:09:02,740 you want to profile him, I you look at the Chubb and mix and 178 00:09:02,740 --> 00:09:06,180 picks you look at Evans Cooks Thomas Waller, it's a lot of 179 00:09:06,180 --> 00:09:07,980 guys that have that are sort of veterans. 180 00:09:07,980 --> 00:09:10,940 He I think he's not comfortable or he's fully comfortable thing 181 00:09:10,940 --> 00:09:13,660 guys, it might be a little bit over the hill kind of yeah. 182 00:09:13,980 --> 00:09:16,870 Do you think he's gonna. Look past Dalton Schultz and go 183 00:09:16,870 --> 00:09:24,030 three names down to Greg Dulcic. Not he's going tight end, he's 184 00:09:24,190 --> 00:09:22,270 going Schultz. I feel like he profiles. 185 00:09:25,230 --> 00:09:29,750 The issue is that if we were to go Charbonnay, for example, and 186 00:09:29,750 --> 00:09:34,310 then he went Herbert Dulcic, I'd be, I guess we'd go Schultz, but 187 00:09:34,310 --> 00:09:37,030 I'd be pretty devastated. So I don't know. 188 00:09:37,540 --> 00:09:40,380 I mean, he does not look like a guy who's clicking on Zach 189 00:09:40,380 --> 00:09:43,420 Charbonnay with a Q tag next to his name, who's a rookie that I 190 00:09:43,420 --> 00:09:45,420 feel pretty confident profiling him. 191 00:09:45,540 --> 00:09:48,300 I think if he takes a running back, his most likely is 192 00:09:48,300 --> 00:09:50,820 honestly probably Brian Robinson, just if we are trying 193 00:09:50,820 --> 00:09:54,420 to profile. I think he's a Schultz Robinson 194 00:09:54,420 --> 00:09:57,260 drafter. Yeah, that would be fine by me. 195 00:09:58,820 --> 00:10:00,020 I hope he's, I hope he goes right. 196 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,040 So I. I I think I would probably still 197 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:06,200 take Schultz over Dolcech but I think they're very close and I'm 198 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:11,080 definitely comfortable leaning towards that with you guys sort 199 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,880 of to break the the tight end decision to me. 200 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,080 I I think the Herbert case was pretty strong too. 201 00:10:16,560 --> 00:10:20,040 I'm I'm pretty undecided this is not a a a bunch of targets that 202 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,240 I like. I'm I'm very comfortable if you 203 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:26,160 guys have strong leans. I I we had a really loose 204 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,480 conversation earlier, Pete, and you mentioned Charbonne and I 205 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,400 kind of said that I I've been kind of out on him. 206 00:10:30,810 --> 00:10:32,850 But I thought about him a little bit in the like as we were 207 00:10:32,850 --> 00:10:35,170 setting the time for this recording, thought about him in 208 00:10:35,170 --> 00:10:39,250 the time up until now and came around to it a little bit. 209 00:10:39,250 --> 00:10:41,930 I mean, he has a good three down profile. 210 00:10:41,930 --> 00:10:46,650 We know he catches passes. What is his injury though? 211 00:10:47,490 --> 00:10:50,530 The injury sucks for sure. But in terms of Pete was saying 212 00:10:50,730 --> 00:10:53,890 one of the one of the benefits you mentioned in the chat Pete 213 00:10:53,890 --> 00:10:57,570 was we'll know when we want to start him or we will know not to 214 00:10:57,570 --> 00:10:59,330 Basically. Like the idea is he's, you know 215 00:10:59,330 --> 00:11:02,390 sort of a handcuffed that. Could have some really strong 216 00:11:02,390 --> 00:11:06,670 upside and and build some ceiling into A0RB room that 217 00:11:06,750 --> 00:11:09,990 frankly will need it. One of the issues with Herbert 218 00:11:09,990 --> 00:11:12,430 might be that we might actually like taking Deontay Forman 219 00:11:12,430 --> 00:11:13,510 later. We're running into that with 220 00:11:13,510 --> 00:11:17,550 James Cook and and Damien Harris right now or Rochon right. 221 00:11:17,670 --> 00:11:20,190 And so you you already make your decision on the Chicago 222 00:11:20,350 --> 00:11:26,070 backfield the most expensive. So I think my ideal now talk 223 00:11:26,070 --> 00:11:29,550 like listening to your guys's hype about Dolsic is is Dolsic 224 00:11:29,550 --> 00:11:31,460 Charbonne. But I think you're probably 225 00:11:31,460 --> 00:11:33,060 right that they probably doesn't take him on the turn. 226 00:11:33,900 --> 00:11:37,260 Yeah, just to read that, here's the quote from Carol about 227 00:11:37,260 --> 00:11:38,860 Charbonne. It's a shoulder, it says said 228 00:11:38,860 --> 00:11:40,940 The team isn't sure how he hurt his shoulder and we'll need to 229 00:11:40,940 --> 00:11:42,540 determine how long he'll miss, Carol said. 230 00:11:42,540 --> 00:11:44,740 It's just kind of crept up on him, really. 231 00:11:44,820 --> 00:11:46,300 He didn't get hit or anything like that. 232 00:11:46,300 --> 00:11:48,300 Just all of a sudden he started to feel something. 233 00:11:48,380 --> 00:11:50,940 So we're just checking him out and being really cautious right 234 00:11:50,940 --> 00:11:52,630 now. So that could either be 235 00:11:52,630 --> 00:11:55,310 extremely minor or, like very bad. 236 00:11:55,430 --> 00:11:56,390 Pete can't. Like, right? 237 00:11:56,670 --> 00:11:59,670 I know you can't even. It's almost like reading trust. 238 00:11:59,670 --> 00:12:01,350 Is like. Like none of that. 239 00:12:01,350 --> 00:12:03,750 That could have been anything. That could have meant anything. 240 00:12:04,350 --> 00:12:07,670 In my thing, one thing I will just say like macro, that has 241 00:12:07,710 --> 00:12:10,510 been kind of a theme for us I think in these drafts, in this 242 00:12:10,510 --> 00:12:13,760 first draft is we haven't. Really approached it as like, 243 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:16,240 this is our only draft. Let's like go get our guys and 244 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,440 like we've been pretty conscious of we're going to have better 245 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,800 spots to get Kyle Pitts at a DP. We're going to have better spots 246 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:25,320 on the certain sides of the draft board and in certain rooms 247 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,240 to get those guys to me. I do wonder like are there going 248 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:29,480 to be better spots to get Charbonne? 249 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:31,240 And I'm not even ruling him out at 10:02. 250 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,000 I still like him there. But it does make me think, 251 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,400 should we get Doltage here? It seems like that's the like 252 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,320 the one guy we don't want to miss out on the most. 253 00:12:37,680 --> 00:12:41,000 And then, you know, we could have the Charbonne verse Herbert 254 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,430 conversation. Sounds like you guys are in 255 00:12:44,430 --> 00:12:47,590 agreement on that. I'm definitely not going to like 256 00:12:48,870 --> 00:12:51,590 be the. I mean I would I would still be 257 00:12:51,590 --> 00:12:54,430 outvoted but I'm not going to I'm not going to be the the 258 00:12:54,430 --> 00:12:56,390 Vetoer. I'm not going to do a Pat Evan 259 00:12:56,390 --> 00:12:58,870 Ingram how you going to. Do a PAT. 260 00:12:58,870 --> 00:13:02,350 Just to clarify, if you were just drafting here completely by 261 00:13:02,350 --> 00:13:04,910 yourself, it sounds like you would select Schultz or who 262 00:13:04,910 --> 00:13:07,830 would you take? That's a really good question. 263 00:13:07,870 --> 00:13:11,150 I don't like the decision here and I don't have a clean answer. 264 00:13:11,230 --> 00:13:14,950 And I've basically been like planning to lean on you guys. 265 00:13:17,110 --> 00:13:18,590 I like. Dulcage a lot here. 266 00:13:18,590 --> 00:13:23,550 I think he's kind of similar to the Friarmuth bet in a lot of 267 00:13:23,550 --> 00:13:26,110 ways that we were kind of like bummed to miss out on, where we 268 00:13:26,110 --> 00:13:29,350 do have a guy who could legitimately have a top five, 269 00:13:29,350 --> 00:13:31,510 top six season at the position in this format. 270 00:13:31,990 --> 00:13:33,750 Yeah, after talking through it, I think. 271 00:13:34,340 --> 00:13:36,700 You know if I could make that decision right now, I think I 272 00:13:36,700 --> 00:13:40,540 would be dosage again. A big reason why I came around 273 00:13:40,540 --> 00:13:43,820 Charbonne today as well was I didn't feel like I had a good 274 00:13:43,820 --> 00:13:46,340 alternative like we that's that's one of the things Pete. 275 00:13:46,340 --> 00:13:48,260 You do a good job of refocusing me. 276 00:13:48,260 --> 00:13:51,020 Sometimes when I'm like out on a player you're like well what's 277 00:13:51,020 --> 00:13:52,420 the other what? You know who's the other player 278 00:13:52,420 --> 00:13:53,780 we're gonna take. Like when we when we're doing 279 00:13:53,820 --> 00:13:56,860 32nd clock sign underdog and often I'm like I don't really 280 00:13:56,860 --> 00:13:58,580 have anything. I'm just arguing against the guy 281 00:13:58,580 --> 00:14:00,220 like I don't really have a good alternative. 282 00:14:00,220 --> 00:14:03,500 I just don't like the pick. I kind of feel that way about. 283 00:14:04,050 --> 00:14:06,330 Everything on our board, I would want to take Damon Harris, but I 284 00:14:06,330 --> 00:14:07,650 wouldn't take him because of James. 285 00:14:07,690 --> 00:14:08,690 Bright. Right. 286 00:14:08,730 --> 00:14:10,370 Yeah. So I don't really have a strong 287 00:14:10,370 --> 00:14:12,970 answer to that question. All right. 288 00:14:13,090 --> 00:14:15,090 You guys down to do Dolchic? Let's do it. 289 00:14:15,530 --> 00:14:16,970 I am. He comes with a little bit of 290 00:14:16,970 --> 00:14:18,770 risk, but I do. I agree. 291 00:14:18,770 --> 00:14:21,250 I think he's not that different from the fryer moves Bet. 292 00:14:21,250 --> 00:14:24,650 It's a breakout tight end bet. Honestly, the offense could be a 293 00:14:24,650 --> 00:14:26,530 lot more fun if things break our way. 294 00:14:27,010 --> 00:14:28,370 Could all, I think. Disaster again. 295 00:14:29,010 --> 00:14:32,050 It also alleviate and it's kind of pat used the word. 296 00:14:32,930 --> 00:14:35,770 Layering these guys in the running backs, tight ends, 297 00:14:35,770 --> 00:14:37,850 quarterbacks. It does alleviate just a teeny 298 00:14:37,850 --> 00:14:41,370 bit of pressure of like a running back, running back pick 299 00:14:41,370 --> 00:14:44,850 for us here to where like if there's a big run on tight ends 300 00:14:44,850 --> 00:14:46,850 and we start to be like, man, we're in like true punt 301 00:14:46,850 --> 00:14:49,890 territory here. Like I like that with James Cook 302 00:14:49,890 --> 00:14:51,770 and Greg Dolcich. If you squint. 303 00:14:52,170 --> 00:14:55,570 You can see like really high end outcomes for these guys as 304 00:14:55,570 --> 00:14:58,330 opposed to just getting some volume, just filling a 305 00:14:58,330 --> 00:15:01,650 positional need like I I can squint and see like really 306 00:15:01,650 --> 00:15:03,410 massive breakout seasons for these guys. 307 00:15:04,690 --> 00:15:07,810 For sure. And then like we have some wide 308 00:15:07,810 --> 00:15:12,690 receiver production, I'm I think, I think we, I think we 309 00:15:12,690 --> 00:15:15,050 found some, we took seven steps at it. 310 00:15:15,050 --> 00:15:18,250 I hope so. Yeah, so we. 311 00:15:19,310 --> 00:15:21,550 Let me go back. I'll I'll recap this team here 312 00:15:21,550 --> 00:15:23,510 for everyone that we're joking about our wide receiver 313 00:15:23,510 --> 00:15:26,110 production because we have 7 through 9 rounds, a J. 314 00:15:26,110 --> 00:15:28,670 Brown, CD, Lam, Devo, Samuel, DK Metcap, Brandon and I you, 315 00:15:28,670 --> 00:15:30,990 Deonte Johnson, Jordan Addison. And then we got our first 316 00:15:30,990 --> 00:15:33,710 running back, James Cook in the 7th and then our first tight end 317 00:15:33,710 --> 00:15:37,190 Greg Dolchich here in the night. So it does seem like our 318 00:15:37,190 --> 00:15:39,830 decision here. I mean, would you guys consider 319 00:15:39,830 --> 00:15:44,310 Schultz if he comes back or do you think, I think structurally 320 00:15:44,310 --> 00:15:46,790 Herbert or Charbonne still make the most sense for us? 321 00:15:48,310 --> 00:15:51,230 I was floating the idea of a tight end double tap here. 322 00:15:51,670 --> 00:15:55,310 I do think Schultz and and Dolcech kind of are an 323 00:15:55,310 --> 00:15:58,230 interesting duo in the sense of you guys are talking about how 324 00:15:58,230 --> 00:16:00,630 Dolcech comes with some risk but has some breakout scenarios, and 325 00:16:00,630 --> 00:16:02,950 I do agree with that sort of take on him. 326 00:16:02,950 --> 00:16:05,030 I could see scenarios where he's kind of unplayable. 327 00:16:05,390 --> 00:16:07,550 Schultz to me is going to get plenty of routes and and he'd at 328 00:16:07,550 --> 00:16:10,110 least be like a floor tight end play and tight end premium. 329 00:16:10,150 --> 00:16:12,190 Not really that exciting breakout scenarios. 330 00:16:13,190 --> 00:16:14,950 So you're like, OK, if Dole Stitch really hits, you're 331 00:16:14,950 --> 00:16:16,590 playing him. If not, you know, at least you 332 00:16:16,590 --> 00:16:18,950 have a tight end to play. But I think I'm with you. 333 00:16:18,950 --> 00:16:21,110 We pushed running back long enough. 334 00:16:21,390 --> 00:16:25,230 It's a really true 0RV build. I mean, we took our first 335 00:16:25,230 --> 00:16:27,190 running back on the 7th, but it's 711. 336 00:16:27,190 --> 00:16:29,390 I mean, we took and and now we're here. 337 00:16:29,390 --> 00:16:31,190 You know, we're going to be in the 10th before we take our RV 338 00:16:31,190 --> 00:16:33,270 too. You, you get to a place where 339 00:16:33,270 --> 00:16:37,070 there's not a lot of running backs left. 340 00:16:37,150 --> 00:16:38,590 I mean, we're going to have a hard time. 341 00:16:38,870 --> 00:16:40,750 We can still build it out, but we're going to have a hard time 342 00:16:40,750 --> 00:16:43,840 getting. A lot of early season points. 343 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:47,480 I think prioritizing that might be the move. 344 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,480 We could end up in a situation because people don't stop. 345 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,440 This is the thing we always have to like remind ourselves when we 346 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:57,760 go back to to FFPC. It's that the the people do not 347 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:01,120 stop like this guy or the one hole is not done taking running 348 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:02,480 backs. He's going to go back to the 349 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:07,440 running back position later and so the, you know like the 6th 350 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,800 hole, right, He's taken 4 already, he probably take some 351 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:13,630 more so. We're going to end up seeing the 352 00:17:13,630 --> 00:17:16,230 next tier go pretty quickly. The next tier after that go 353 00:17:16,230 --> 00:17:19,430 pretty quickly and all of a sudden we're down to like true, 354 00:17:19,430 --> 00:17:23,630 true scratch off guys. You know the CEH tier where it's 355 00:17:23,630 --> 00:17:28,230 like I don't even know or we maybe throw in like a pier 356 00:17:28,230 --> 00:17:31,190 strong type of type of situation so I could. 357 00:17:31,230 --> 00:17:33,990 Actually saw that between our last two picks, where we were 358 00:17:33,990 --> 00:17:37,430 debating Connor and Dalvin Cook as followers who are sort of a 359 00:17:37,430 --> 00:17:41,470 tier up from the Gibson. P Ryan, AJ, Dylan Tier, But that 360 00:17:41,470 --> 00:17:44,390 whole tier got wiped along. Connor and Dalvin Cook went in 361 00:17:44,390 --> 00:17:46,710 the three pics right after us, and that whole tier I mentioned 362 00:17:46,710 --> 00:17:48,830 at the top of this mini sod all went as well. 363 00:17:48,830 --> 00:17:51,350 Six more running backs ago? Yep, you just blow through a 364 00:17:51,350 --> 00:17:53,030 whole tier between when you're on the turn. 365 00:17:53,110 --> 00:17:56,750 We weren't even really thinking about reaching on the Gibson or. 366 00:17:57,130 --> 00:17:59,450 Or Rashad Penny's, but we didn't get a chance to drop them the 367 00:17:59,450 --> 00:18:02,810 next time around either, so. One, one other point I want to 368 00:18:02,810 --> 00:18:06,170 make about Dolchich too is I legitimately think he's going to 369 00:18:06,170 --> 00:18:09,090 be a riser. Post this Tim Patrick news, I 370 00:18:09,090 --> 00:18:12,770 don't think it's fully taken yet, but I do really think 371 00:18:12,770 --> 00:18:15,370 Marvin Mims and Dolchich are going to be the guys that end up 372 00:18:15,370 --> 00:18:18,170 moving up the most relative to their current ADP's. 373 00:18:18,170 --> 00:18:22,010 And I I think even in the Titan Premium format, like it would 374 00:18:22,010 --> 00:18:25,530 not shock me if Dolchich ends up, you know, much closer like 375 00:18:25,530 --> 00:18:27,050 the new Joku and Ingram as people. 376 00:18:27,250 --> 00:18:30,010 Kind of convince themselves on him being like one of the 377 00:18:30,010 --> 00:18:31,970 biggest beneficiaries. I mean, you really remove the 378 00:18:32,010 --> 00:18:35,050 other main what big bodied red zone guy? 379 00:18:35,050 --> 00:18:38,290 I mean, like, Sutton is a big dude, but they've like never 380 00:18:38,290 --> 00:18:41,530 used him as like scheming fades for him around the red zone and 381 00:18:41,570 --> 00:18:45,890 stuff like Dolcich I think could have like a really locked in red 382 00:18:45,890 --> 00:18:47,970 Zone role. I think that's a good point. 383 00:18:49,130 --> 00:18:52,250 Yeah, I mean. Got caught as well. 384 00:18:52,610 --> 00:18:54,770 So yeah, opened opened up a lot of routes there. 385 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,240 In the early offseason, I viewed him pretty similarly to Fry move 386 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:06,280 like I had Fry move ahead, but I was like pretty interested in 387 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:10,200 Dolcich in that range. And then John Payton didn't 388 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:15,040 appear to know who he was, but his since learned who he was 389 00:19:15,360 --> 00:19:18,400 said a bunch of positive things. Recently roasted Nathaniel 390 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,280 Hackett, I think partly because he was like, I couldn't even 391 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:23,200 like. Get a sense of, like, who this 392 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,720 Greg Dulcich kid was. I thought that quote was bullish 393 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:27,120 for Dulcich. He's like. 394 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,560 The offense was so bad I didn't even know how he was using these 395 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:32,640 guys. Yes, I think that's great for 396 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,000 Dulcich. Like, yeah, so now I'm and then 397 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,680 with the Patrick injury, like I'm starting to feel like he is, 398 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,720 he belongs with this previous tier of tight ends. 399 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:43,360 Like he's kind of the last of that tier. 400 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,240 Maybe you could say Schultz is in that tier too. 401 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:49,200 But you know, I like getting him here and I think he gives us, he 402 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,840 gives us access to a ceiling. That I really shouldn't have 403 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:53,680 access to at this price. Right. 404 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:56,200 I agree with that. The the point you guys both made 405 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:58,960 that really bought sold me on it is the ceiling outcome. 406 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,360 I talked a little bit about shelf being more before play and 407 00:20:01,360 --> 00:20:05,760 then just for this build I I don't think, I mean there's no 408 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:07,040 way we would play both tight ends. 409 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:08,880 We're never flexing a tight end. We took seven. 410 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:09,760 Right. That's the other thing. 411 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,840 Yeah. So I mean, at this point, RB 2 412 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,200 fills a starting spot and there's something to be said 413 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:16,950 about. We need to start scratching off 414 00:20:16,950 --> 00:20:20,510 starting spots, right? Yeah, like the most sensible way 415 00:20:20,510 --> 00:20:25,030 to play this is probably grab an RB 2, probably double tap RB on 416 00:20:25,030 --> 00:20:28,230 the next turn, you know, and then maybe try to layer in some 417 00:20:28,230 --> 00:20:31,470 tight some tight end dark throws and. 418 00:20:31,470 --> 00:20:34,150 There's routes that we had back there, yeah, yeah. 419 00:20:34,270 --> 00:20:37,630 If dosage fails, we're gonna need to find a replacement for 420 00:20:37,630 --> 00:20:38,870 them. And so we can take some priority 421 00:20:38,870 --> 00:20:41,670 stabs at that. But the Schultz profile is what 422 00:20:41,670 --> 00:20:43,310 I mean. The routes like high routes 423 00:20:43,310 --> 00:20:44,750 profile. There are routes like like 424 00:20:44,750 --> 00:20:45,870 Hunter. Henry is the first one that 425 00:20:45,870 --> 00:20:47,270 comes to mind. Yeah, Hunter, we're gonna get. 426 00:20:47,470 --> 00:20:48,950 Accomplished the same thing, Yeah. 427 00:20:49,230 --> 00:20:52,910 Yeah, I think so. Yeah so let's just just because 428 00:20:52,910 --> 00:20:56,470 we probably won't do well we definitely won't do another mini 429 00:20:56,470 --> 00:20:58,630 sod when we're on the clock at 10 to. 430 00:20:58,630 --> 00:21:00,950 So let's we got a few more minutes to kind of like hash out 431 00:21:01,190 --> 00:21:03,350 the Charbonnay verse Herbert. It sounds like if one of those 432 00:21:03,350 --> 00:21:07,430 guys goes, we feel pretty good about taking the other if both 433 00:21:07,430 --> 00:21:11,000 are available. They are very different picks in 434 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,840 my mind as far as kind of like what they offer, where as much 435 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,000 as I like Herbert, as much as I think he gets off to a fast 436 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,480 start, I do think you could see Rochon really starting to chip 437 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,440 away at his playing time down the stretch. 438 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,000 That said, you can make the case like let's just get some early 439 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,440 season running back production, make sure we get to use all this 440 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,400 wide receiver firepower and we'll we'll piece it together as 441 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,640 we go. Does Herbert belong this far 442 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,560 ahead of Deonte Foreman? Not Rochon, but specifically 443 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,960 Foreman. It's a question I've thought 444 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,360 about for most of the offseason, and now that they're splitting 445 00:21:42,360 --> 00:21:46,960 first team reps, like, shouldn't they be pretty close in ADP? 446 00:21:49,360 --> 00:21:50,920 I mean, it's a good, it's honestly a really good question. 447 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:54,400 Foreman's been so efficient. He was great. 448 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,400 Last year's really good. The year before. 449 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:01,800 Herbert's been awesome, too. But I don't know. 450 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,000 I mean, for me, I was like, well, Herbert I know is going to 451 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,080 have a role. So I'm. 452 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,160 I'm happy to take him, even though I have to pay up. 453 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,440 But yeah, Foreman looks like he's gonna have a roll now too. 454 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,520 I guess that you'd probably like Rochon would be more likely to 455 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:20,800 displace Foreman of the two, but that's probably decided out on 456 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,560 the field, you know? So, yeah, yeah, it's, it is a 457 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,000 little bit of A at this point, it's probably too much of A 458 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:30,080 premium, yeah. Yeah, it's and it's tough with 459 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,760 the because like I said, with this Charbonnay stuff, right? 460 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,360 Like it could, it could swing wildly. 461 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:44,680 So for the Charbonnay injury is I think much worse from an ADP 462 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:48,160 perspective. And if all the were completely 463 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,840 good to go, you know, like, hey, there's no issue he's back at 464 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:52,800 practice. Like I don't even think he moves 465 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,240 up a ton, right. Like he's still like he's going 466 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,480 to go where a chain and a J Lynn and Penny just went here, you 467 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,240 know. And so that's where I'm kind of 468 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,750 wondering. As much as I like him, I again 469 00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:06,470 just from like the portfolio, the ADP, the market perspective, 470 00:23:06,470 --> 00:23:09,670 it's just like you could get really bad closing line value on 471 00:23:09,670 --> 00:23:14,310 him and not get that big of a win even if everything is OK. 472 00:23:15,390 --> 00:23:17,670 That's a good point too. Yeah, it does feel like more 473 00:23:17,670 --> 00:23:20,310 downside than upside as far as the injury stuff goes. 474 00:23:20,310 --> 00:23:25,310 But I mean, I also really do like him as a selection. 475 00:23:25,630 --> 00:23:29,510 I do too, if he's healthy. Can I? 476 00:23:32,190 --> 00:23:36,590 Talk you guys into reaching on Jalen Warren by like 15 picks of 477 00:23:36,590 --> 00:23:43,310 ADP, cuz I feel like we have some concerns about Herbert and 478 00:23:43,310 --> 00:23:46,830 Charbonnay. Yeah, you could. 479 00:23:46,830 --> 00:23:48,590 You could talk me into it. Yeah, you could. 480 00:23:48,830 --> 00:23:51,390 You could 100% talk me into it. He's not coming back. 481 00:23:51,390 --> 00:23:53,950 I wanna hear the argument. But yeah, but just know I'm. 482 00:23:53,950 --> 00:23:58,190 Listening just to and again. Not that this is the end all be 483 00:23:58,190 --> 00:24:01,710 all but like. Warren goes in the same running 484 00:24:01,710 --> 00:24:04,310 back tier range as Herbert in underdog. 485 00:24:04,550 --> 00:24:06,910 Charbonnay goes in a tier ahead of him, or at least he did 486 00:24:06,910 --> 00:24:10,110 before his injury. But now you could argue that 487 00:24:10,110 --> 00:24:13,070 Charbonnay sliding back and these guys are all in a very 488 00:24:13,070 --> 00:24:15,590 similar tight ADP range. I don't think it's crazy. 489 00:24:15,790 --> 00:24:18,310 I think I prefer prefer those other guys. 490 00:24:18,310 --> 00:24:19,870 But he's he's definitely in the mix. 491 00:24:20,790 --> 00:24:23,350 Doesn't Warren kind of have to finish ahead of like McKinnon 492 00:24:23,350 --> 00:24:27,550 and Jamal Williams or is that not going to happen on on FFPC? 493 00:24:27,550 --> 00:24:30,110 Does that not happen in? Underdog, I would finish ahead. 494 00:24:30,830 --> 00:24:34,390 In terms of ADP, I guess Warren goes after him on underdog. 495 00:24:34,670 --> 00:24:40,190 Yeah he's in that mix. I I take Warren ahead of Jamal 496 00:24:40,190 --> 00:24:44,910 Williams a fair amount but he but I think he's behind in ADP. 497 00:24:44,990 --> 00:24:47,150 But I could see that flipping very quickly because I think 498 00:24:47,150 --> 00:24:50,510 Miller's coming for for Williams in ADP and in real life. 499 00:24:52,830 --> 00:24:55,110 The case on Warren if if there's like you know, a case to 500 00:24:55,110 --> 00:24:56,630 actually be made, just, I mean he has. 501 00:24:57,140 --> 00:25:02,140 Size he's 58215. He's a big big cube for 5/8. 502 00:25:02,140 --> 00:25:05,020 Maybe people know that now cuz I feel like everyone says it cuz 503 00:25:05,260 --> 00:25:07,780 people didn't know it. But I think it's worth 504 00:25:07,780 --> 00:25:10,420 reiterating Warren is not small. He's not small. 505 00:25:10,500 --> 00:25:12,980 He's like Austin Eckler. Reminiscent, at least. 506 00:25:12,980 --> 00:25:15,180 I mean, not the not the same athlete Austin Eckler was. 507 00:25:15,340 --> 00:25:16,980 You know, a total workout warrior. 508 00:25:16,980 --> 00:25:20,220 But then last year, 4.9 yards per attempt certainly. 509 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,520 Got the advantage of running against lighter boxes than Nachi 510 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,760 Harris because he's, you know, more of a passing down back. 511 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,760 But also 33 targets, 28 catches efficient in the passing game, 512 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,880 6.5 yards per target is above average for a running back, I'm 513 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:34,360 sure as yards per outrun were solid. 514 00:25:34,360 --> 00:25:37,320 I don't have that in front of me, but Pat, maybe you do. 515 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,680 He would pull it up, but he was. He was more than two yards per 516 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,040 target, better than Nachi Harris in the passing game, which I 517 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:44,520 don't think you can make as much of A. 518 00:25:45,140 --> 00:25:48,620 You know, third down back I I think does it is still an 519 00:25:48,620 --> 00:25:50,740 efficiency boost as well because you you get some of those 520 00:25:50,740 --> 00:25:52,180 underneath throws on like third and 12. 521 00:25:52,180 --> 00:25:59,500 But anyway, yeah, 1.24 is a very solid number. 522 00:25:59,500 --> 00:26:03,340 And the other thing about him is receivers that he was running 523 00:26:03,340 --> 00:26:12,170 back 6IN open score and he was rated #2 in the overall receiver 524 00:26:12,170 --> 00:26:15,050 ratings using the player tracking data, ESPNS metrics. 525 00:26:15,050 --> 00:26:18,530 So Chris McCaffrey was was #1 and then he, Warren was tied 526 00:26:18,530 --> 00:26:21,610 with Austin Eckler for #2 in their receiver ratings. 527 00:26:21,610 --> 00:26:27,050 Which I mean you know, it's nice to see when if the bet is this 528 00:26:27,050 --> 00:26:29,810 guy's going to establish himself through talent because the guy 529 00:26:29,810 --> 00:26:33,290 ahead of him is not good and it's now the third year of his 530 00:26:33,290 --> 00:26:35,410 career and the team is going to be open to the fact that he's 531 00:26:35,410 --> 00:26:37,650 not good. You really do want to see the 532 00:26:37,650 --> 00:26:41,430 guy you're betting on, Flash. Some efficiency and impressive 533 00:26:41,470 --> 00:26:43,910 stuff. Yeah, and he already, he clearly 534 00:26:43,910 --> 00:26:45,270 did. And then the other thing I was 535 00:26:45,270 --> 00:26:47,870 thinking as I was like, can I talk you guys into it is just 536 00:26:47,870 --> 00:26:50,310 looking that we do have Deonta. I know I talked you guys into 537 00:26:50,310 --> 00:26:53,150 that pic too, but now I want to leverage it for this pic. 538 00:26:53,270 --> 00:26:56,750 But basically, you're already kind of telling yourself the 539 00:26:56,750 --> 00:27:00,030 story that the Steelers passing game is decent, That Kenny 540 00:27:00,030 --> 00:27:03,070 Peckett is throwing a lot, dropping back a lot. 541 00:27:04,900 --> 00:27:07,860 Naji Harris injury I think is a very correlated thing for both 542 00:27:07,900 --> 00:27:12,260 Beyoncé and Jalen Warren's upside or Naji Harris being so 543 00:27:12,260 --> 00:27:15,060 bad that the team kind of moves away from making him a focus. 544 00:27:15,300 --> 00:27:18,140 If Naji Harris is good this year and they run the ball a lot and 545 00:27:18,140 --> 00:27:20,980 they become more of a run heavy offense, that's obviously bad 546 00:27:20,980 --> 00:27:22,860 for Deonte, it's bad for Jalen Warren. 547 00:27:23,900 --> 00:27:25,860 But it is, yeah. There's there's some correlation 548 00:27:25,860 --> 00:27:28,500 there, I think. Well, I mean the thing. 549 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,840 The thing that's nice about Warren, and I do think you could 550 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,280 argue Charbonnay offers this too, although he's injured right 551 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,600 now, is that you have 3 outs to hitting, right? 552 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,280 You have. Well actually this is where I 553 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,680 would say Warren actually has an easier out because Jalen Warren 554 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:47,640 has the he could just outplay the incumbent and earn that job 555 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,520 outright. I think it's be very hard for 556 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:53,440 Charbonnay to just fully displace what what Walker does 557 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,160 as a riser. I like Charbonnay more as a best 558 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,860 ball pick because part of it is I think he's going to get, I 559 00:27:58,860 --> 00:28:00,900 mean they've talked about him getting work in the two and four 560 00:28:00,900 --> 00:28:03,420 minute offenses. I was just looking at Adam 561 00:28:03,420 --> 00:28:06,260 Levitan said they still have Charbonne projectors as a Week 562 00:28:06,260 --> 00:28:08,260 1A start. You know, not start but playing 563 00:28:08,300 --> 00:28:11,060 being active for Week 1 even with the shoulder injury and was 564 00:28:11,060 --> 00:28:14,340 noting that the role for him looks to be in kind of the two 565 00:28:14,340 --> 00:28:17,540 and four minute offense. And I think the goal line role 566 00:28:17,540 --> 00:28:21,740 you're you're hoping Charbonnay is taking over, but I don't 567 00:28:21,740 --> 00:28:22,980 know. You're hoping he racks up some 568 00:28:22,980 --> 00:28:27,960 catches in some hard to predict past heavy scripts, you know, 569 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,000 and potentially in while trailing with not that much time 570 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,880 left. It's not super predictable week 571 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,800 to week. And then you know he gets in the 572 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,440 end zone, which to me just seems like a little bit easier to have 573 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:43,200 on a best ball roster where Warren, I mean, the chances that 574 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,280 he actually just displaces nausea, you're probably not 575 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,960 great, but they're not zero. I mean, it probably takes nausea 576 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,360 being banged up and then Warren looking awesome and then, you 577 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,290 know, maybe it's a little polity where he never like fully 578 00:28:55,290 --> 00:28:56,770 displaced. Somebody gets enough work to 579 00:28:56,770 --> 00:29:00,370 matter. And I think we could feel better 580 00:29:00,370 --> 00:29:03,330 about putting Warren in our lineup like I can. 581 00:29:03,330 --> 00:29:05,170 I think I can imagine that pretty easily. 582 00:29:06,090 --> 00:29:08,170 Yeah, I'm. I'm certainly on board with 583 00:29:08,170 --> 00:29:09,930 that. I I think he's definitely firmly 584 00:29:09,930 --> 00:29:11,210 in the conversation with these guys. 585 00:29:11,210 --> 00:29:14,370 It's a bummer that we're drafting when Charbonne has this 586 00:29:14,370 --> 00:29:17,050 kind of injury risk looming because I think without it, I 587 00:29:17,050 --> 00:29:19,330 think he is kind of your pick here. 588 00:29:19,330 --> 00:29:22,050 But without it I I don't think it's clear. 589 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,400 Right, I agree. Where does Foreman go in this? 590 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:28,920 Quite a bit later, it looks like by ADP. 591 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:30,600 That's part of my Herbert thing again. 592 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:35,080 It's like, I feel like we can make that bet later because 158. 593 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:37,760 Yeah, that's. I mean that's. 594 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:42,320 Actually, the turn after That's the 1314 thirteenth, yeah. 595 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,600 Yeah. Yeah. 596 00:29:46,430 --> 00:29:47,990 Somehow he felt all the way there. 597 00:29:48,110 --> 00:29:51,390 He might not, but if somehow he did, you'd feel like a snap pick 598 00:29:51,390 --> 00:29:52,990 that you wouldn't want to make, cuz you'd already have heard. 599 00:29:52,990 --> 00:29:54,990 But we might have taken both at that point, you know. 600 00:29:55,590 --> 00:29:59,310 Yeah, yeah. And I do think, like what we do, 601 00:29:59,310 --> 00:30:03,830 expect Warren to have some standalone value out of the 602 00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:07,350 gate, right, that he might be able to catch a few balls, pick 603 00:30:07,350 --> 00:30:10,550 up 20-30 yards rushing, even if Nagi's getting, you know, 15 604 00:30:10,550 --> 00:30:12,390 plus touches. I do. 605 00:30:12,870 --> 00:30:13,630 I do. Yeah. 606 00:30:13,870 --> 00:30:16,770 Yeah, I mean, you know, I don't think it's going to be great, 607 00:30:17,290 --> 00:30:20,370 but he, you know who he kind of might be, he might be Khalil 608 00:30:20,370 --> 00:30:24,010 Herbert from last year with a little bit more receiving 609 00:30:24,890 --> 00:30:26,970 ability you. Know, but I think it would be a 610 00:30:26,970 --> 00:30:32,090 guy that we can start right and we're not taking zeros but that 611 00:30:32,090 --> 00:30:35,410 also then offers the contingent upside and the chance to assert 612 00:30:35,650 --> 00:30:38,130 the guy in front of him. That's a nice profile to have at 613 00:30:38,130 --> 00:30:39,330 this this range. Right. 614 00:30:39,970 --> 00:30:44,890 When we Fast forward to you know September 9th or whatever the 615 00:30:44,890 --> 00:30:48,250 date is, we're going to feel a hell of a lot better putting 616 00:30:48,250 --> 00:30:50,010 Herbert in our lineup than Jalen Warren. 617 00:30:50,090 --> 00:30:51,970 I feel pretty confident about that. 618 00:30:51,970 --> 00:30:55,210 It provided that not as healthy. Like it's easy to say like oh 619 00:30:55,210 --> 00:30:57,770 he'll have some standalone but we're going to feel like, Jesus 620 00:30:57,770 --> 00:30:59,010 are we really starting Jalen Warren. 621 00:30:59,810 --> 00:31:03,850 So I don't want to oversell that that part of it in week one. 622 00:31:03,850 --> 00:31:07,250 We're not going to feel like he has much standalone value, but 623 00:31:07,250 --> 00:31:10,330 maybe he earns that over time. Do you? 624 00:31:12,250 --> 00:31:14,770 Think that you would feel better about Herbert than deontay 625 00:31:14,770 --> 00:31:19,210 formant in week 1. If you do, then let's take 626 00:31:19,210 --> 00:31:21,770 Herbert. In week one I would Okay. 627 00:31:22,090 --> 00:31:24,730 In week one I would. But I could see by Week 3 being 628 00:31:24,730 --> 00:31:27,690 like, oh, I won. Just because he's the incumbent 629 00:31:27,690 --> 00:31:29,490 and he's better in the offense? Exactly. 630 00:31:29,850 --> 00:31:31,890 I know he knows the offense. I know he's a Fisher in the 631 00:31:31,890 --> 00:31:33,570 offense. I know they think he's good. 632 00:31:34,130 --> 00:31:35,450 Maybe. I don't think he's great, but. 633 00:31:35,570 --> 00:31:40,210 And Warren does go 127 like he might make it back to 132. 634 00:31:40,210 --> 00:31:42,490 I kind of doubt it, but it's possible. 635 00:31:42,490 --> 00:31:44,130 I. Suppose I really doubt it. 636 00:31:44,410 --> 00:31:45,650 I doubt it. Yeah, I doubt it too. 637 00:31:46,090 --> 00:31:47,530 Yeah, there's some. There's some pretty running back 638 00:31:47,530 --> 00:31:51,890 heavy drafters in this room. I'm I'm very much on on board 639 00:31:53,690 --> 00:31:59,330 with the with the he gives us a very compelling third option 640 00:31:59,330 --> 00:32:05,080 beyond Charbonnay Herbert and because I mean Brian Robinson 641 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:06,760 would be the guy where you're like well we know we're getting 642 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,400 some touches but like I don't know man. 643 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,200 Yeah, he's so boring. He's very boring. 644 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,360 Yeah, OK, cool. I got to wrap this up. 645 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,120 But I do think this tear is just flat enough. 646 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,760 And really, the big hope is that like another one of these guys. 647 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,720 You know looking at the top of the queue, these top 12 to 15 648 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,280 guys comes back right? Like that's that's kind of the 649 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,680 hope is that we get to grab a few guys from this tier and 650 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,880 right now we're just basically having to take our preferred guy 651 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:36,800 of these. Just looking at this, sorry, but 652 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,440 just just looking at it like who is the best running back on 653 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:41,960 this? Like when you look at this list, 654 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,400 who can you say is the best running back on their team? 655 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,510 Jalen Warren. Jalen Warren's like the only guy 656 00:32:51,510 --> 00:32:53,710 on the list where I'd be like he, I think pretty clearly the 657 00:32:53,710 --> 00:32:56,830 best run back on his team. It's like really the only one. 658 00:32:56,830 --> 00:33:01,550 I mean Khalil Herbert probably, but it's not certain so clear. 659 00:33:01,710 --> 00:33:04,550 Yeah, That's it. Yeah, Yep. 660 00:33:06,110 --> 00:33:09,160 I Dudes. Another mini sewed in the book, 661 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,800 Here we do get our first tight end Greg Dolcech. 662 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,640 Looks like we are dialing up Jalen Warren here in the tenth 663 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,720 round after a fun winding conversation. 664 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,240 And we'll see what comes back to us here at 10:02 and next time 665 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,120 we talk to you guys will be on the clock in the 11th round. 666 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:27,960 If you're listening to the audio version of this and you guys 667 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,680 want early access to the videos, you can become a YouTube member 668 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,160 over on Ship Chasing and that also gets you access to our 669 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:39,200 private Discord as well. You guys tuning in for Pat, for 670 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:40,000 Ben? I'm Pete. 671 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,680 We'll see you guys next time, OTC.