Folks, ignore the title to this episode.
We were rubbed. The superflex draft filled just
about an hour or so ago, but we can pivot we're going to do a
private 12-man league with our ship chasing VIPs tonight.
Talk it through our final draft live on the show before.
For the NFL draft. Let's do it.
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Fix your sight Jamar. Alpha play, chase.
You can't handle the heat. Running your soul.
Gets me, man. Intro is so good.
I just gritting the whole time. He's loaded it to stream yard.
I watched it like eight times in a row.
Just I realized. Yeah, it's once a week.
Second time I've ever seen it. Yeah, time to was amazing.
I'm excited for time through. I'm excited for the rest of the
summer to like, actually figure out what's in there is silver
looking over his shoulder. Kind of like yes, yes, A great
moment. Delightful, I like it.
It's like a, it's like a little scrapbook of all the fun we have
here on ship chasing over the years Bullock.
I said the same thing to bend pre-show.
Well, it's saying the, the vacation key to looking slim the
second been hopped on. I was like goodness.
Yeah. The the and my response to you
guys would be my same to Bullock ezetimibe out the same way.
I was last summer. So I just lost the football
season. What you guys just got used to
my bloated face over? The winter know your response
should be Nick's car. I meant This Is Why I'm Hot.
Thank you guys. Pat big day tomorrow.
Can you disclose exactly what you're doing?
All right, just should show to start.
Now I'm not now tomorrow. I'm going to Stanford.
I'm recording a video with Chris Simms on the set of the
unbuttoned podcast. This week.
There is this your first time going to the studio.
Yes, it was the first time I've ever been this to the Stanford
office first time. I've ever met anyone besides
some of the writers in person. And what do you what do you have
to wear? I got a button-down I'm going to
rock, I think. Okay, you know, I've got like
five the pandemic definitely like hurt my depth but I do
still have like, you know, a couple you're still at your bar.
Chase at the top of the word. Yeah.
It's kind of like the running back class this year.
You know, there is a brief halt. Then there's a step down.
There's a Kenneth Walker. And then after, that is a really
anyone's guess. I just assumed that you've been
studying, Denny Carter tape from, you know, and Pat Doherty
from there. Appearances on and knowing kind
of what the dress code is. Yeah.
You know you think about it a little.
So pads I was getting a bigger shows.
He's got I mean like my I need a haircut he's got my kind of comb
over think on. He looks like such a dad on the
shows our buddy pad here. Did kind of resembled that's
there that always looks like a Suburban dad you know in a suit
but like yeah. And because Pat has an early day
tomorrow. We're going to hop in this draft
now like I mentioned in the cold open because we got rubbed on
getting to the last superflex trap.
I just created a private 12-man draft on Underdog.
I just shared it to our VIPs in the Discord.
I tagged you all. First come first, serve here to
come, do a friends and family draft.
Just a three dollar one to get us to 12 man, and I'm kind of
looking forward to it. I very much have enjoyed the
superflex draft. But other than our FPC drafts,
haven't gotten to do a ton of 1qb stuff.
So this will, this will get us back to Our Roots friends and
family, wouldn't you be? Yeah.
So what round does the 20th running back going?
The 12th, the 13th, Mike. This is, We're not gonna have
any running backs. We're gonna have to see how
ideological everyone's feeling this early in the draft season.
Actually don't have a read on ATP because I'm so used to the
superflex stuff. I don't like wine.
Others go, I know you kind of have to adjust everything like
at least in superflex you know, the cube is make it so that
there's a little more. There are the receiver issue is
not as problematic. Well, there's also one less Flex
to fill, so like you can go like you can do like eight wide
receivers and six running backs if you want, you know?
Right. Yeah.
Well, as your terrifying, me the, if I accidentally click
slow draft, we're about to find out here in a second.
GA has a question for you to ask him if he wants to know why he
hates Wilson. That's on the list.
Yeah, that's on the less, the Ohio State guys, because he
likes Jeremy Rucker, that's his number one, tight end.
So, you know, kind of well, I mean, you know, it's the
handshake meme. Pete, Chris Simms having tight
intakes that upset Pat. You know, we just some of us I
think doesn't upset as much as as a guy who might not get
drafted. Although I will say I just had
Curtis Patrick and Sean Siegel on the Pod and they don't think
Richard White's going to get, drafted, let's grab it.
It all. Yeah, sounds like Sean's, like
he's not getting arrested. What.
Yeah, holy shit. They're like look I mean when
you start to hear the you know he might go in the sixth round
stuff and it's two weeks from the draft.
That's what happens to guys who don't get drafted at all.
Hey, I don't know what a teams looking for.
He's got, I don't sighs, he catches passes.
He's like what the fuck do you want a running back?
You can keep on the field that all three Downs.
You'd think you'd think. All right, guys, take two, I
sure you guys are all down a three dollar.
Slow draft, who's gonna rub your listeners got rug?
You know, this is what comes accidentally gets there.
We'll all right, the D-League is it.
There Dubner mentions. Yes.
And we gotta send out some some promo codes to those people that
they need some discount, mentions our exposure.
I do want to get on the record, I'm pretty stoked about this.
Have done to Ricky drafts and have 100% scan more exposure
right now. I mineral Pat side I'm also not
then just like scooping up all the quarterback.
There's like five quarterbacks in this draft.
That no one likes and Ben, Ben has like three of them.
Now, this is madness I made for trade so far and we're like 2005
right now. Yeah, up and moving around, this
draft has been. My first pick is the is the to
12 because I will, here's here's what I'll do for everyone.
I will I'll double the price. Spool.
I'll double the prize pool for the, the slow draft since I rode
home. Right, there you go.
He's been waiting for the perfect.
My God. All right, so we need three
more. I posted the link of the
Discord. God I'm so bad at this.
I'm so Rusty. I did it once for a randomizer
draft to Great. Share to the slow draft.
Yes winner is that one of the prompts do this is the slow
drift. Yeah don't don't be sarcastic.
Okay I'm trying to I'm trying to be nice to the community.
All right. Six times, you're right Willis?
I did for that. Rid of visor was too slow draft.
All right, I'll post it here. I think we I think we have
strongly did them, the whole draft.
Well, not on air but yes, we concluded those drafts, just
said to exist. Yeah guys.
All right. Just everybody.
Relax. Okay, I thought I thought it was
first rupee first reviewed through Saturday night, wrist
straight. I mean, talk about this is
supposed to be a plus EV stream supposed to get trapped in a I
guess. I just plus EB.
Hey double prize pool. How many style rooms do you
think you? Done in the last year.
Drafts dreams are just dreams. Just fucking screams man.
I think I averaged like when you include the offseason way more
in season, I would say average like a two-week.
Holy so probably like 400 dreams.
It'll take like no time off. I mean, you've had like a week
off the entire year. Well, I have the, you know, when
I am on vacation because that's what Pat makes thumbnails that
it's generally had about twice a year.
I think I made three pump thumbnails so maybe some weeks
you've done eight streams a week, you're talking, but time
400 streams in a year. That's insane.
Yeah. We we need to tone it down.
Down. But still these are averaging
because you're like, you said, way more and season away, you
know, what's your Peak? How many, what's your Peak
stream? There was, there was a couple
times when I would do a guest spot or two and season where I
swear it was 11 or 12. Yeah, with her God, I thought
you were going to say 50 a week and I try to like pay attention
but I was like, I've been yeah well not clearly you don't care
enough. Yeah.
Okay we did get Did get the influencer 101.
Nice J, which is perfect. Perfect in this conversation,
what's up? Henry, have you heard of the
influencer 101? Who do you guys want to take?
I'm down for JT. I'm down for McCaffrey, I'm down
for either. Let's do JT.
What's tjt? It's half.
PPR. All right.
We're off to prevent on. I'm starting to get concerned
about that. Frankly, really speak on that.
well, just, I mean A big part of it was that, you know, last
year's running back scoring was downright.
JT was a low-scoring rb1 since 2015 yada yada yada.
So the question is like what is his well-timed?
Legendary article piece for me. What's that?
Yeah, here, yes. Yes.
You need legendary scoring lowest scoring running back here
in five years, right? But and so there's some stuff
obviously with his efficiency and everything like can he be
that efficient to get? Can he get that many greens on
touches? Again the thing for me is like
what he can do for sure still had to receiving, which we hoped
last year and was probably going to happen, until he just didn't
catch a lot of balls late now, they brought him a try.
My right likes to throw two packs a little bit.
He's exposed to, in the pass game and the ground game.
So like I just still upside to what he did last year and that's
if he catches 20 more both. You know he has he kept 60 balls
in the season but I think he might do that.
We got to see them you know sort of acknowledge.
He's an every down back last year.
So I like that take. Yeah, I think Matt Ryan's good,
form, Pat gun to your head, taking a guess right.
Now, you go to write this year's legendary running back upside
article. How many guys do you think meet
that criteria? I mean not a lot.
I think you're looking at like, everyone's kind of aged out
because one of the criteria was was age and I don't think, I
don't think camara's there anymore Caffrey's not there,
anymore Cooks, not there anymore.
Like a lot of the guys, one of the big red flags for basically.
All of them is can be age and then it's going to come down to
like Javonte Williams. You know, I don't release whole
like can these guys do it that early in their career?
Yeah, briefs. All rookies aren't rookies have
I've been good bets to do. It Devonte is a really good that
to do it in terms of yeah. Profile you're looking for a
year to guy that started at age 21 year to guy but they're
receiving is like at not quite where you want it to be and then
na zhi would be in contention because the youth and and the
reception upside is definitely there with how many legendary
running backs have been not good.
What percentage of the legendary, not a lot, but not
good. They're generally good.
Now, I mean, that's, that's actually a great point because
like the, when you look at like expected points, like if you're
familiar, just looking at, like, basically, anyone PFF wrote of
is, like, just any kind of the expected points models.
No one has like 23 expected points per game even in the
seasons where they score over 23 points, like they all have
efficiency on top. Like your, you can't get there
and work out a loan, right? So you do have to bring
efficiency to the mix now. I think Nagi could bring
efficiencies the mix as he scores more touchdowns than
you'd expect, you know, because that can happen.
Pretty easily just based on variance, he has a few were
bigger plays in the passing game.
Maybe. Yeah, but yet him not him.
In big places. A is a word.
It's definitely possible for me. I'm not saying it's not but
yeah, I thought I'd be mad at every point.
Every point you just made about the efficiency of the think is
like a reason to be concerned about taking Yeah.
Devonta Freeman. Legendary Seasons, great because
it's not actually a legendary season, right?
I was short. Yeah, I'll destroy you.
All right, we are coming back around here on the rap, not a
ton of surprises yet. Kelsey, the only tight end to go
can have some good early for Debo who just went with the,
with the trade request. Maybe.
Maybe I was wondering where he'd go.
Go feel it odds evening what odds been would you give that of
Debo getting actually getting traded walk?
I don't know. This offseason is thrown my
perception. I before this off season I would
say like 10% there's no shot that they're going to do it.
Now that we've seen this offseason I'm like it's 90%.
It's definitely happening. Like no idea.
I like Waller here, man. Yeah, I know.
I said I always liked in the tight end.
I'm definitely down for I'm gonna you want to build a little
hyper fragile been? Yeah, I'd be down with you.
These guys sequin or trip to the on.
Did you hear s quotes today? He sounded like I think he said
he wanted to kill people there. He what?
He's ready to kill her, something not kill people, but
he said he's ready to kill. Danny, tweeted it out.
He said something like I'm ready to kill and just like, he's like
so rearing to actually producing.
He said he to let the team know that they got the pledge that
they that they drafted and all this stuff.
And I mean whatever. That's just like a player's
quotes but he clearly is not pleased with where his career
has gone to, to this point. I mean, this guy is a freakin
And potentially just Legendary player, right?
I think he's still really good. Like, yeah, I know people were
not as impressed with him last year but like I saw vintage sink
one runs. He had them in there.
Yes he doesn't look like, he's done to me right before he
rolled his ankle on that little whatever Arrow Route.
He had a couple games where he looked great, right?
You know they wrapped him up and he look great and then he rolled
his ankle and like week 5, he was like week three and four
because it kind of wrapped him up.
He's like 48 percent, snap, share something weak one, but
about week, three week four is when he crashed, and then he
rolled his ankle week 5, mrs. Some games comes back isn't
always really the same. He's got to stay healthy
obviously. But this dude still got
legendary upside, for sure. Yeah, Casey of course, upset
with the, yeah, lack of yellow. We do have Willis though.
Holding down the piss boy Fort for us.
Started out with Cooper cup. He Higgins and DK Metcalf DK.
Metcalfe has Michael hitchhike, Hitchcock sis film, grinding,
and droughts, and running backs. That is true.
That's what we're doing. What we're doing and we do.
Yes, it realize. We just slowly moved into a
Philip grinding show. Yeah.
You know, II in the Giants, they should have taken sake 15.
I think that was a good pick for them.
You got it, you got to take the best players in and build your
team Around Talent, you know. Where you guys at?
I've heard, I think it was Levitan, who floated?
The take that if this was, I don't know three years ago.
Let's say the Z key Roar, the Leonard, fournette year, or even
the sake, one that res Hall would have gone like top ten
overall picks, do you agree with that?
Take yes, I do, but like, I'm not the person to ask because
like because like to me he's like, I'm like I look at him
like I kind of like him better than Zeke on paper.
Okay, he looks better to me than Zeke on paper.
Like even with draft position he still looks great like it even
if you say like second round pick for his first-round pick
like Bruce Hall, looks like a really strong pick.
One of the big things go don't like is tape as much as much as
some of those other guys. Sorry, I cut you off.
And well, I'm just saying that's not why.
I'm I think I'm not the guy to ask because I'm looking on paper
and the guys were watching the table like he's not that guy.
I was just going to say. Basically same point with Zeke
that One of the huge things that we heard about that whole
offseason you guys are you guys will remember, was his pass
blocking number? It was like he's going to play
every single down and we've heard about it as whole career
but like as a rookie that's why fantasy drafters immediately
started taking him in the top 10.
I he was going like 105 that year as a rookie when Dallas
took him, hmm. Because it was like very clear,
they made it very clear, they're going to play him every day.
They were going to play them on passed down to use get it
because they drafted him in part because of his past.
He's ability to plan passed down and he was really good as a
rookie, but Zell that's different than probably the
stats that you're looking at comparing briefs and Zeke in
terms of what they do with the ball in their hands, right?
Just like the elusiveness is off the charts with Bruce Hall.
The the ability to do that while still handling a huge workload.
He's efficient as a receiver, very similar to Z can kind of
like the kind of like a z cam Akers, you know like he'll be
out there but not Specialist. But yeah, I mean, like, I don't
know, I don't know why. Like, so he's another system is
awesome. So let me flush out this take
then the the era of drafting running backs with top 10 picks,
even with really, really good. Prospects has changed in the NFL
has wised up. Lindsay can fournette in those
guys. Got drafted, super early, they
were first and second-round picks in fantasy drafts, because
there was that draft Capital because there was that profile
now that draft Capital can't exist.
It literally can't exist in this new environment.
I mean we have there was two running backs last year.
That won the first round. No no.
But I'm saying like, going like top ten overall.
Like I'm saying that you're if you're saying like Bruce Hall is
in a different caliber and so the the take on fleshing out is
you can get Bruce Hall in the fourth and fifth round of these
drafts and in a different era just because he would have gone
top ten. He would have been a first or
second-round pick like is Bruce Hall massively undervalued
relative to his profile. I what I'm saying partially Is
that like the film guys? Don't view him as that category
of running back. Like they like even with the
discount they are all related discount.
Like he's not going to go or nausea when you know they just
it's not I don't know why because I don't I don't study
film but but there seems to be a consensus that he's that the
athleticism didn't show up. You know, the time to
athleticism was not on tape, the way you'd expect how was Calvin
Ridley to tell of a 40.6 ATP at the top like how they died
removed him. Yeah, that's it's gonna be an
eyesore for the rest of this draft.
I what I would have taken briefs all there.
If that was, if that's where you were heading, I think you would
have made a lot of sense. They're the other running back.
I was thinking makes a lot of sense.
Here is for net. I'm surprised.
He's not even on this board right now because I didn't see
him picked. How late is he going right now?
Did he go he what he yeah he went where it is.
Where the fuck is for Nat? And we have 14, a magnet.
Yeah, let's figure out good. in this, and I think you can throw
out that ATP because there isn't a lot of data in these private
Yeah, we got Mickey marker, it's too early for brown.
I was looking at him on the list, maybe it was a, I mean,
wide receivers get em mean in this graph.
Man, it's get what about for now?
So, for now, the only thing I'm telling you right now in this
draft, the way this is going, we are going to like the running
X6, much much, much more than the wide receivers.
It seems we take if we take for a network like done, I know, but
like a shit ton of receivers that we just like we will take.
We'll just take. We could literally 60.
Normally this is a less Lesson you will learn by July but we
can learn it. The hard way tonight.
Let's learn the hard way. Let's learn the hard way.
Fuck, yes, I'm beachhead knows that this is your fucking that
you're ignoring, hey, you're we're getting an extra, we're
getting an extra pick. We're getting extra pick because
there always have to be running back.
We're so good. We're just going to drive Fuller
with our hand behind your back. I mean let's be honest.
Israel up. The people were drafting against
yes. Yes everyone.
The ATP not getting updated as frequently for these these
private drafts. So dyo are not Financial advice
so maybe like I said, Marquis Brahma fournette going in the
second round of RTS right now. Thank you, Henry.
I know if I'm banging the table for fernet.
He's probably pretty good pick. Look at Willis Willis is just
gonna absolutely punish us. Five straight wide receivers
doing the Lord's work, Willis. I mean, he only has like two
good ones. It's John.
Yeah, Michael. Did you do it?
No cool. Wide receiver, bro.
Guys, I'm really excited to take visca the sixth round.
Again, we have not gotten out of here.
Let's go. Let's go Sky.
More than six, Pat 1 by T mindset for his interview with
Chris Simms. Yeah, yeah.
Well it's not very much my biggest thing apparently.
So I had to I put and I don't like this.
I don't like this. Any more than anybody else.
I have Kenny pick it as my quarterback to because, like, he
might go top 10 in my craw, might not be a first-round pick.
I'm just like, Hannah, the NFL like skinny pick it, what?
But Sims loves Corral. So now I'm going to tomorrow,
I'm gonna have to hear him a Visser ate my.
Can you pick it up for Matt Correll rank?
Which I actually agree with him on its I don't like.
Can he pick it? So anyway, that'll be fun.
Are you gonna are you just going to defer to him?
Or we gonna get like, well, I mean, wow, there's there's I
think some interesting discussions because like He's
got out Pierce ranked number three at wide receiver and
Christian Watson. Ranked number two, I don't have
those guys rank, very highly. So that'll be interesting to
talk through to really, I'm pleased, it seemed so very good
athletes. Yeah.
So he's, I think, it's, that's kind of what I'm asking about.
The kind of ceiling discussion on those guys, and then he
doesn't have either, Ohio State guide, ranked top 5, which I
think will be interesting discussion.
And then, We both have trailing Berks and Drake London, ranked
top five and in that order. So I'm curious about how if he's
worried about their floor because he's he's not as high as
some others but he's still like he seems pretty in you should
you should ask him if he plays any fantasy and you should ask
him Frank, some change for fan. Like I assume his ranks are for
just there for real life. Yeah, but I got a question for
you about perks because I've never taken my both my rookie
drafts. I've started to see him ranked
fifth, for some people, a couple different people.
I I've heard they're so overall in the class or wide receiver,
find a receiver. So there's this concern that
he's harder to project, right? Because we don't know, like the
fits going to matter so much. I have this theory that because
he is the hardest to project. He's also the one that could
easily mean. There's also this element of
draft capital and we're playing with incomplete information, but
right now, the expectation is, he might go fifth in draft
Capital, right? Like a lava.
Yeah, is actually potentially going to go up in the top 20 or
something. Like he's out the draft right
there. The four receivers at the draft,
or a lava Wilson London and Jameson Williams.
I think I wouldn't be shocked. Yeah.
La vie. Jameson Williams seems to be
just like skyrocketing up drop boards because everyone's like,
I think all these teams were like, oh we can get them at
2500. Fuck, maybe we can't.
Oh fuck, maybe we can't get my 1500.
Fuck. Maybe got to take them top 10 or
something like. Well, he seems really want
Jameson Williams which is a little surprising me because you
know, he had an ACL tear but that seems to be the way things
are moving. So James Williams going to go
ahead of them. Drakon is going to go ahead of
them. Gary Wilson is going to go ahead
of him and krisiloff is going to go ahead of him and I wouldn't
be shocked if like John Dodson went ahead of a meeting.
Okay, so that's the that's the expectation right now that seems
to be like consensus opinion on Burks especially.
So what I'm saying is like we're at this point right now with
like, a week left until the season.
This is my, my take, you got to tell me if it's wrong because
I've taken them into turkey dressing.
That Burks is basically at the lowest point is going to be at
because he hasn't had a landing spot yet.
People are saying he's the worst possible fit, we don't know,
draft capital and draft Capital seems actually surprisingly, a
lot. Worse than expected because it
was a point when he was considered the number one
receiver in this class. And now it's like, oh he's like
the sixth receiver in the NFL has eyes, but if he lands in the
back of the first round and just basically any team picks him,
we're gonna be like oh that team is going to use him in these
ways like we're going to tell ourselves that they drafted him
for. It's also the story and and
guess what? They're going to be like, we
love his versatility, we're gonna lose him like that.
So we're going to zoom like that we can use them down field like
they're going to say all the stuff they know it's tough to
say. He's gonna be the biggest riser
in like These types of drafts from now until three weeks from
now, that's my theory. I think you're completely,
right? And they'll go to be videos on.
I just got to say next time. Save that rant until after,
we're on the clock. Fucking.
Wow. That's like, it's fucking
Braveheart. Just like rally the troops.
Of course, they're gonna smash it.
We need red receivers badly, the Germans.
Oh my God. He's on the Rope.
Kris Hall. We both just like Bill.
Yeah, you did. You did give the whole thing
about freestyle. Stop yourself the top, Canada.
All right. I'm doing it.
Next, I'm doing next on someone. I don't know.
Yeah, I completely had forgotten that we were even drafting I was
in my mouth. I have an interview with Pat
about drilling. Burns's, asking them is opinion
ice there. Any wide receivers left?
Yeah, no. That don't even fucking start
with me right now. We should just stick another
running back. That's kind of cute me.
We need to take, we need to take Renfro.
And now let's, let's take. Let's say Drake London, London.
Yeah, let's take away. Let's go home outside here.
Keep scrolling down. We got more rookies.
We can say, As Garrett, Wilson, gone, he Garrett will take care.
Well, knock is, there he is no Wilshire long gone.
Okay, so this was all false flag.
We talked to the trail and Burks and we got is right London.
Like we're happy about that higher dry.
Not Renfro in this build. We need some I'll take my car.
Sure, run for OCS, fine. All right anyway, we're here
Sorry yeah, what we do York, I think you completely right?
Because one I actually don't think that trail and Burkes was
like ever going to go top 10. Like the NFL was never as into
him as fantasy. So In Sum I think it's in some
ways like it's like the fantasy guys coming around to the idea
that he wasn't going to be, you know, the first wide receiver
off the board and there's a comment here that he might fall
to the second round. I haven't heard any of that.
That seems like he's here. In like there's so much fear
about him. Yeah.
But but I think I mean I actually don't think if he falls
the second round. I don't think that's baked in
because now you're looking at like he goes to Houston.
Oh I'm saying difference of you like that is baked in relative
to the probability because I'm with you, I don't think it's
gonna happen but I think people are starting to say this or like
whole, he might fold the second. There's no buzz around him.
It's like, he's not going to fold the second, he's not
falling a second. Yeah.
And like I'd rather have him go late first.
First like, you know, if he's gonna go top ten like I think
there's some signal in that. but like, Does it really matter if
he goes like 12 or 25th? Like is there like that much of
a difference in terms of the NFL evaluation?
Like I don't really think there is.
I mean, first of all, you're looking at worst team selecting
him and we got smarter teams in the backend taking them.
So it's kind of the same to me. He gets the first round draft
capital and then you're also looking at him Landing
potentially with the Packers with the chiefs, with the bills,
like you're going to get London of the Jets and you're gonna get
Burke's to the Packers of the Jesus and everyone's gonna go.
Oh shit. I was weird.
Way too much about London. Going, top 10 and Burkes going
25 because now I want Burke's over London.
Yes, exactly. What do you guys think?
Michael mentioning, this is a steal for Hawkinson here in the
seventh. I mean both ghadir and Schultz
have been going ahead of Hawkinson and the superflex
drafts. Oh this is about what two rounds
later than where he was. And in last year's draft, swear
you guys out on Hawkinson feels about right to me on Hawk.
Yeah, I'm with you Pete I'm let's fire up another drafted,
dull drab, TJ Hawkinson, seventh round.
Yes, Ryan. Willis Willis has a super nice
team. Got the borough to Higgins stack
pissed. It yellow.
Loaded up there, then gets his Elite positions at the ones.
He's very nice 0 or be built here from Willis of corn,
everyone run for it was like a fifth round.
Pick. We just got steals at the 6th
and 7th round. You just said there were two.
We're out of running backs here. I mean receivers cheese, I
believe that ATP was before that was before Davante.
Adams was triggered like I'm with you guys on that, but I
like Dallas, I actually have a little bit of a fire.
Take that have been building up that don't Schultz is the one of
the most Mike sort of, I mean, I didn't realize he's going in
seventh round. So it's not even that big of a
value but like he's just a boring, right?
But he's like, he's new Jason Witten, like they were willing
to let him marry Cooper go. I think, in part because of
Dalton Schultz, not like, oh, don't Schultz can handle these
vacated targets, I think, they think they have a really good
tight end and that's part of why everyone's saying all the
Cowboys are super thin at receiver, their team that has
been mocked. You know, trailing Burke's might
land there. Everyone wants him to get her,
another receiver. I think the Cowboys are looking
at it. Like, we got this tight end is
caught what? I mean, when you catch a
t-ball's last year and their playoff game, I mean, DAC, likes
him whenever they get an act as I should weigh shins, he goes to
him at late in games, it was very clear like down the stretch
last year when they were trailing, when they're thrown a
lot he takes those passes. He's the he's the witan now.
Yeah he's not a big athletic tight end.
He's going to be really nice and like tight and premiums where
you can get him in sixth, seventh round.
I'm gonna fucking love taking him this year.
I think Yeah I think you're right.
He he's just had all of these outside variables as far as
perception that have kept people from just being completely sold
on him you know last year obviously coming to the season
it was everyone was fearing a split with Darwin and then this
year everyone just assumed there was going to be all these pass
catchers but it doesn't seem like the market has fully baked
in. How many targets they lost with
with a Mari and Cedric Wilson. As well.
I mean, there's so many targets available there and he's just
been good. Yeah, he got seven eight balls
last year 63 the year. Before I be, we have, he's got
to be what top three among tight ends in receptions over the last
two seasons, and he's 26 going into his prime, same team.
And they've lost receivers like, you just said, it's like, it's
not just a vacated Target point. It's like I said, I think they
maybe are thinking we could afford to get rid of him are
because of Schultz. And so, Yeah, there you go.
This is a good point from Alex to Once, once we start getting
projections, I mean, he's gonna, he's gonna pop and projections
in less everyone. Just super down on the Cowboys
offense, which I don't want unless they drop someone, right?
He's going to end up ahead of ghadir and ahead of these guys
once projections happen, because people are going to have
Phillies pass rate way down. Like, do you know what's gonna
happen? God give me got her on that
because it's like number one option in his passing game.
He's been very In on his routes. And I don't know what Phil is
going to look like, I think they're going to be running
heavy but they weren't run heavy all of last season.
Like maybe some weird shit happens like, you know, if I've
got the better player and there's a few more passing
attempts. This we're at.
Oh we're out of receivers. What do you guys think of hurts
as a getting a quarterback? Yeah like that like that and
then I mean surprise surprise wide receiver dried the fuck up
black like you knew this was gonna happen.
This is a bit that area, is there any other hidden names by
dropping ears? She's a Gallop Gallop.
Seems nice here. Right?
You judge shark. No, doubts coming off a torn
ACL, right? Yeah.
I want that I would use earlier or Landry their planes from the
for. Yeah, we could just don't know
if, you know, Peppa they don't have teams.
Does that concern? You not as much as it normally
would because there's no wide receivers left.
Landrieu, pick someone you got two seconds, I got it, I got
Landry that we got a stack to you.
Hunter Renfro, a Jarvis, Landry. Hey, I mean when you go hyper
fragile at a ship, JC draft, you gotta get some targets.
Oh, take a rookie was a good call from GA here.
What rookie? We could have found one.
What rookie will go. Rookie soaking wet.
They built scroll down yet, guys, we don't pick for forever,
don't add wanted to do identify, the values that we're going to
be trying to wait for. Oh no, this is my take on a
Dalton Schultz. My take is that him and Dak end
up being a teepee Brothers in the same way like Lamar Jackson
and Martin Andrews were where they became a super popular. 56,
double tap, I like that thing on either.
That's a good call. Yeah.
I thought you did Sky already go.
I thought, I don't know if she'll still get that popular.
I think on the one side of the argument of that take, we don't
talk about it. Yeah.
Let's let's keep talking about, don't Schultz, I don't know if
you'll keep getting if you'll get that popular because he's
not athletic. Like that's sort of part of my
take is, if people are just not talking about him because he's
the boring white, dude. He's like Jason Witten which,
you know, easy calm with the Cowboys, but He also wasn't that
efficient. Like the thing that worries me
about him is like is there another level?
It was it just last year again like my just betting on last
year to happen again. Which always scares me at tight
end that's why I didn't like Logan Thomas.
You know, it's like he's a just in my just hoping this happens
again because like there's a ton of variance of the tight end
position things, I'll say that the eyes II think there's
another level because especially because he was better after when
they only had the three receivers better, a little bit
earlier when Gallop was hurt and then when they had all three
receivers act, if he wasn't as good for stretch, Then he was
good lady who owned the post these in.
He actually like did benefit when they didn't have other
options to throw to, but he wasn't as consistent when they
were at full strength rhyming, it it catches last year.
I think you can have 100 kept, she's in.
Like that's that's sort of part of my point is with the wit and
conflict when witten's best year so you have like a hundred catch
here you know this I just want this very clear it up like this
blood is not on my hands. I try I knew what was going to
happen. I saw it coming, we did I'll
away. We didn't ask for a spice level
of 10 with this sauce. This reminds me of the thing
where you try to make the worst line up on DraftKings.
Derek goes off the boys level 10.
I might steal that there's somewhere.
I have to be pretty good comment, I'm gonna give someone
the Tommy Holly later. You got I mean how, how far we
have lost our way. We got buried by a wide
receiver, Avalanche, because we had to get Leonard fournette as
rrb. 3-play, what the fuck is happening?
Running backs are going to carry us.
Jonathan Taylor sink, one Berkeley Leonard, fournette.
Peter suggest various and you can just win with volume at the
wide receiver position. The other thing that stays I've
been working with Michael dumpster Tada, I'm working on.
Sabesp all videos it even looking at the hyper fragile win
rates from last year, which were not good.
And so you know it's just it's been it's been hard for me to
stomach this draft so far. So we've stopped to to who, what
receiver did we give up on instead of or not?
Or should we have not taken Berkeley?
Should we when would we all of them work?
Well because look I mean for net flow, net over all these
receivers. This, I think maybe Berkeley was
where we went wrong. I saw when you were scrolling
Dodson God, I don't know, these are these teams need running
back so they're screwed. You got?
Yeah. I mean I love you guys are
picking stocks and Sky more. These guys are in Jeopardy.
Oh, oh, it seems like there's some decent running backs
available who would have thought God damn it.
We almost don't to good rookies there and then I was gonna be
like, yes, we did it. Well, you said, you are Ricky,
I'll go ahead and put fucking nothing.
Absolutely. I appreciate that.
David belt. If you guys want to take wide
receivers, Discuss.
Let's go. Oh my God.
Alright guys, this is gonna work out, man.
He's gonna be fun. Yeah, he is, but I was saying
David Belle's going to go in the fourth round of the real draft.
So I think we're kind of buried there.
I do like, but I'm CO mean, Pickens Datsun, more just one of
those guys. That is just a knife in the back
by our, by our own audience. I mean, van Jefferson.
Mvs gauge van Jefferson, Joshua Palmer, all wet and the two
rounds. And then the rookies went Yeah.
Those rookies are much better pics than.
Yeah. Josh Palmer and Jericho steep
threat. Tommy.
Stop. Is that wrong pretty good.
Saucing my Tommy tonight. You see even Willis?
I mean yeah. Well assuming double Clifton.
Well that's what are you thinking?
You're good. Yeah, you blew it for ya, blew
it Willis, I did accidentally a little peel bit peek behind the
curtain hurt. Why can't I talk?
I accidentally clicked the sky more clip instead of the a clip
for a half second before I changed it.
Thank you bowl. Like, this is the kind of
positivity we need in the chat. Yes, unfortunately, Davante
Adams was horrible as a rookie. It took until you're 30.
So Curtis and Shawn were both very bullish on David Bell.
I threw out Jarvis. Landry is a comp they upped it
to Keenan Allen early career production for both guys.
I think wow watched it like Crusty with that day.
Wow. How many receivers do we have?
We have plenty. Look at our bar Ivar's.
Nice and yellow, or orange? Do we have six receiver.
Get all the roast comments out, guys.
Yeah, get them all out. Now, I'm glad you're enjoying
this. See if we stay, there's bad
drafts for when there's only $32.
I've, yeah, have fun. It's 32 bucks.
Yeah, Joe, no we're not gonna win 32, but yeah, this is
teaching experience, which is experimenting, dude.
Wow, Tommy, we got six elite receiver going friend.
Oh, you guys are talking about, you guys are brutal tonight.
The challenge has brutal. That's pretty good one though.
Where do you want when visca is finding a new home.
Hopefully be a trade. Where would you like that?
New home to be. I'll tell you exactly where he's
the new Debo Samuel in San Francisco.
Cool. Let's go.
How can a perfect is that? Well, we're are on the clock.
You know? I don't care.
Who cares? That's the good stuff?
DeVante Parker. Let's do it.
I'd be down for Robby Anderson, the only other Julio Jones.
If it was Jones plays guys. Yeah, I mean this is If he plays
he plays is yes that someone said reaps and Davis were
talking about Julio going to the box.
I mean might as well. I actually I'm still in on
drafting. Holy oh man.
Like well is he gonna pick on the screen?
I can't wait for someone to clip this.
What is truly? What is Julio going to retire?
Oh, techno fan. Hope he retires know.
Why does everyone think no offense?
Socks? Just because he's on a shitty
team, like, he's still good, right.
Well, they don't know these actually that good but it's
pretty similar for us. No, a fan just got drafted onto
another shitty team, where the Seahawks Come on.
Guys, I'm bullish on this team right now.
She want to buy me out. We have we don't have any
watches suits. You a dollar right now.
You don't do it P. If we win the 32 bucks and
you're not in part of that, you're going to be, you're gonna
regret it for life. No, I'm gonna, I'm gonna
actually make a note of this team when I'm when I Label it.
I'm going to make sure that we know will know.
I mean if you look at it you'll know immediately which to you
not gonna be like name is Evelyn.
Yeah, they named it buried by an avalanche.
It is true. She's all about Denial phase.
Well, not welcome to the roast of ship chasing.
I'm in the denial phase this team's great.
I will say this does seem like a pretty bad way to build team.
We tried it and it just doesn't work someone clip where I saw
this, I look deep into my crystal ball and you guys just
went fucking full steam ahead. Well, like to be honest, Pete.
Is Mike Williams. The difference between a good
team and a bad team here. But that's who we would be Mike
Williams, was the next wide receiver of the board?
I think we were already dead. I think we were dead as soon as
we took Berkeley into Waller. Yeah, you're probably right.
I mean, definitely, I want a wide receiver over for net but
yeah, we needed a wide receiver. We didn't read the roof.
I hate this guy. I'm about to power down this
stream pattern to bed. He needs to fucking shit and
take a trip. Kenny Walker Polo, all One's
Gonna hold it. Now, you're critiquing which
city wide receiver. We took over in.
Yeah, Kevin I don't think it matters to be honest Bud.
Okay, I'd rather Rocky Anderson. Wasn't the different?
Our only chance our only chance were those rookies.
He's when yeah William Jefferson was going before all those good
rookies for some reason and they almost made it back to us.
I was about to fucking do backflips.
If we got petkins and more or doc said you had one of my
favorite narratives of the off. Season has been that Florida
doesn't know how to play its best players because they didn't
play Damien Pierce. And also they didn't play
guitars Tony and also they didn't play Van Jefferson.
That's what's being being peddled these days.
It's the only way to make it a narrative because everyone's
David Pierce to be good. So we need another example, the
guy they do, so yeah, Jefferson War Two.
Get it all out guys, get them all out, get the roast comments
up because the second this draft is over.
I'm playing the outro music. Mark my words we got this week
will be easily still on the board.
We got this stay positive. I mean we have seven wide
receivers like right? How many do we have?
I think only, like 5, or on teams.
But yeah, seven and one we need to get traded.
And that's not a hard throw stones from glass houses JW.
Yeah I don't feel good about my saucing tonight.
God damn it. Henry I am.
Ian, I'm fucking powering down the great.
I hear myself into bed with you know, we had to Yeah, well
consider who take green still available, who's the who's the
Boomer wide receiver that the most fucked-up part about that
is that's a probably a really good picture.
It's a tree McBride. It's DeVante Parker know, we
need we need another quarterback somehow that we are weak and we
can wait on that. Let's just wait on that.
We got we got a let's take some more by receivers available.
Yeah, let's get smaller. So you guys see we need more
wide receivers but would give, yeah, I think we do drilling
shepherds. Good.
Keep scrolling. What?
Sterling Shepherd. Let's take him.
See how he's got it. You got Achilles tear that he
Hey, Jake, Home.
This is how you draft, a wide receiver cohort, Marquis Brown
Drake, London Hunter, Renfro Jarvis, Landry, David Bell, love
is conditional Julio, Jones kjm, learn Barbara Jones.
This nine guys. You started laughing at the
third, we would need I'm not convinced if we had five extra
drafts spot than anyone else our league.
If we would still be able to recover this recap, my Bullock
is incredible. Telling Shepherd is a
hammerhead. That's right.
They see out there until she finally understood our real plan
here. The long con was to throw
everyone off the scent for BB M3 with a red herring.
Yes, we can't be giving sharp Jake since early on speaking of
which you have that data from earlier that you showed me.
Yeah, so like I mentioned I've been working on some videos with
Michael Dubner and he was pulling, some robust are be
rates and he decided to splice the data pre and post our stream
with Eric by more last July. So the field utilization rate
for robust are be up to July 16th with 7.2%.
Which is as defined by taking four running backs before round
seven after the show. It dropped down to 5.5 present,
you're welcome, which is a pretty big pretty big shift.
Yeah, there you go. All of you guys.
I hope you start drafting really shitty wide receivers for BB of
three. Look we tried it.
We tried doing the running back early thing just doesn't work.
You end up with David Bell the 10th round.
Oh my God. Exactly, Alex, that's the hope
that is the Hope. I mean we are just absolutely
screwed. I mean guys, David Bell.
You just say is Keenan Allen the viscous chennault the new Depot
Samuel. We might need to drag our Jones
tables wide receivers. Yeah we do we do, can you can
you start getting some guys in the queue now?
Because we're going to start. Oh yeah, we're going to be
scrolling for a while. I don't mind Byron Pringle
hooking Jamal egg new is the fifth receiver on the line.
Where he's going to have to wait, he's going to have to wait
because we got to get this stack.
Silver gun matchy fish, pick kwesi believe you.
Let us get a stack today and Malik Willis Gave Over veggies.
You let lost. You're letting us get a stack at
this point in the draft with JT, say Kwan and fournette.
You blew it. On a serious note, JW.
We're on fucking Mega tilt right now and not making any optimal
decisions when she tore his ACL what like a month ago.
It's mid season last year. No, like season and the SEC
Championship December. It's that was Williams know.
He was in the National. Oh, you're right.
You're right Zoe's December. I think it.
Well, I don't know when they play the S.
I think you're right. I think I think your rose, I
think it was December year and might have been late, November
SEC Championship, Students in December.
So, what are you guys thinking? For our structure?
Are you thinking what I'm thinking?
Which is a 2313 to? Yes, yeah, sounds good.
We might need a third quarterback, but maybe we just
go with her tonight. I mean, this is super Flex Pay
on this is just yeah yeah we just go hurts in walls.
We're going to need some things to break, right?
One of those things is half our wide receivers signing with
teams. Play ball.
You guys. You guys think that you're good?
Having drafted 76 wide receivers.
No are 13. Wide receivers will overwhelm
you. We will suffocate, you Kaz Kaz.
He asked a question that I thought I had an answer to, but
I don't yeah, I was going to say James Washington, but he
actually plays for Dallas now. Because don't the Steelers love
Willis is not Suez levels. Yeah.
One of the possible places if they trade up or something.
Yeah. I mean, G A we could make a list
of things we need to happen for this team to win, and it would
be longer than your CVS receipt going once a year.
I mean, Got7. You draft like you're right in
this case. Yeah, probably hit this 13 like
traffic. Like you're right.
All we need is, you know, visca to get traded Jarvis and land in
a good spot Julio. You know, to definitely with the
box and about seven other things.
And, you know, we're thinking that we're going to be right on
those things. So this team's gonna be good.
This this team is like the equivalent of like that dynasty,
trade package that you send. This is like a bunch of
groceries. Fuck.
Wow. Who would have thought Everett
literally? Everyone's team looks better
than ours. Yeah, because they didn't have
to draft 13. Terrible wide receivers to don't
play anymore Drake. Lemons going to be a superstar
archive, I like, Drake London's gonna go off for 50 points in
week, 16, and we're going to be 900 points off of first place
Gambler, Gambler, or gobbler has a good comment here about this
his comments with a drunk Thanksgiving.
Episode needs to watch his back, not that, but we should make a
note to bring this team up on the Thanksgiving stream and
check in on it. I think that's what he say when
we're drunk on this coming thing's giving me to watch this
back and see how bad our team is.
All right, with me when I want to watch this stream but I want
to see the yeah. You see how the team is doing?
I've been to make, I will set up a calendar invite and I will
link to this team and I will, I will make sure I Notification
reminder to pull this up, don't actually set that up have a
mistake. No, some of them want to see.
I want to be drunk because the best part is that there's a
bunch of people who don't know the context for this team and
like this and we should be like, this is a really important
thing. Josh Reynolds not a three dollar
equals 30 Dobbs, he's gonna be like a late run, pick is
allocator still there, did he get taken Paris kids, Justin
Ross there, Yeah, Ross Meagher. Stack it out, sure.
God, Jesus Christ. Dude, to the east is tobert.
Gone is suggesting Ross gone. Joshua Reynolds taxes with
Willis. If walls goes to Detroit and
jerk-off, get SpongeBob, I love that.
Then not Josh Reynolds. Not Josh Reynolds who, that's
literally what I meant? Justin, Justin Ross is voice it.
Ross is gone. He's gone.
He's definitely got a song. Josh Reynolds is such a bad
pick. It just ties us to Wilson,
Detroit, but yeah, don't take him actually.
I'll take Brian Edwards. If Hunter Renfro get her on a
separate easily worse. He's too big for anyone.
Oh man, he plays the same position.
Folks we just sort of Taken doves at that.
This is how you break all the best ball analytic.
Bros construction model we not done.
Do we have another pic God? We're going to 313 to, right.
Can you keep scrolling? Let's lower it.
Silver man. Josh Bellamy Chester Rogers, Ted
Ginn. Larry Fitzgerald him like a bug
Isaiah Hodgins, remember him. Yeah, I'm down.
Marquis lie. Chad Hanson Laird's roommate.
Brennan Eagles. Pretty sure he's playing in the
usfl. Those points count lancelyn or
he's in the usfl to man this is like a murderer's row of usfl
studs. Jeff badet another usfl guy.
Derek Dylan, we're so far down this list.
Marvin Hall Taylor. Gabriel any Fowler never forget.
Who the fuck is Connor? Weddington, Derek Willie's usfl
man. Underdog really loaded up.
These usfl guys in your Dez, Bryant Cyril.
Grayson Anything jumping out to you, Pat, Jesus fucking Christ
and now yeah there's two more Yosef go guys.
Who the fuck is Maurice? Double F, French go back to the
top. Take Maurice, Reds feet, you
gotta take Marie's friends is our last big.
He does seem like a value here. Yeah, it take French.
Why didn't you step to me? There's no way to top weird of
me. Here is a better big than
friends is point. There's no better way to present
my play for the Chargers. So, you know, you gotta get that
Justin Herbert Equity, we gotta give it a teepee.
Any time you fuck up a draft this bag?
You have to take Maurice French. Your boy, I'll put it on
speaker. Yeah, Chris Conley.
Let's that's it. That's fun.
That's fair for the brand. All right.
Look at okay. Silver gun.
Got got bullied into a similar construction is us.
He's got a 2411 to going on. They had the dead zone starts
with the 101. Is what I've learned this trap.
All right? This is what I want to say.
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