1 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:17,560 Hello everyone, and welcome to the final edition of ADP 2 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:19,880 Chasing. It's been a long summer. 3 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:22,760 You've been went up with us through the February debates of 4 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:26,720 DJ Chark for Adam Feeling, and now we're finally wrapping 5 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:29,470 things up. We have a great show plan today. 6 00:00:29,470 --> 00:00:32,150 We're going to be going over our closing line value game 7 00:00:32,270 --> 00:00:36,350 throughout the off season as well as hitting on key news with 8 00:00:36,350 --> 00:00:41,070 the Cooper cop injury and Jonathan Taylor non trade. 9 00:00:42,350 --> 00:00:46,790 But yeah, we'll also probably hop in a draft at the end, so be 10 00:00:46,790 --> 00:00:49,390 sure to stick around for that. Let's do it. 11 00:00:52,820 --> 00:00:56,940 Pat Fryer homo This is why. This is why I'm hot. 12 00:00:56,940 --> 00:01:00,100 Anita Hand. Fix your site, Jamar. 13 00:01:00,780 --> 00:01:06,500 Elfo, play chase. You can't handle the heat. 14 00:01:06,860 --> 00:01:08,260 It looks like we're finally assist boys. 15 00:01:08,300 --> 00:01:19,540 You're right. Great start. 16 00:01:20,940 --> 00:01:23,930 There we go. Kerrain is that you're looking 17 00:01:23,930 --> 00:01:26,210 at. A man who moved cross country in 18 00:01:26,330 --> 00:01:30,450 the middle of best all summer. A man drafting Rottweiler team. 19 00:01:31,690 --> 00:01:34,010 A man who just timed out on a drafter's draft. 20 00:01:35,610 --> 00:01:37,490 You're. Probably in. 21 00:01:37,490 --> 00:01:41,370 You're probably in one with me. We're chasing overlay. 22 00:01:41,370 --> 00:01:44,890 We're feeling good, Kerrain, you're probably not feeling that 23 00:01:44,930 --> 00:01:46,970 good. You're probably feeling beat to 24 00:01:46,970 --> 00:01:49,450 shit. No, I'm feeling good, guys. 25 00:01:49,530 --> 00:01:54,090 Just finished my last PBM team. Gonna get that tweet out in one 26 00:01:54,130 --> 00:01:55,930 one second. Took me a little little more 27 00:01:55,930 --> 00:01:59,050 walk to the walk to the coffee shop, got some, got some cold 28 00:01:59,050 --> 00:02:04,610 brew, got Brittany a ginger tea, and crafted a tweet with a bunch 29 00:02:04,610 --> 00:02:07,690 of stupid emojis in it. So you'll see that soon they go. 30 00:02:08,490 --> 00:02:13,800 Amazing. So you're all moved in to to San 31 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,400 Diego now, Pat, you're getting? I'm in San Diego. 32 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,400 I wouldn't say I'm moved in or settled in. 33 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:20,600 The apartment is completely empty. 34 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:23,760 Your audio sounds great, so I don't. 35 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,120 I mean, it seems the acoustics seem really good, so that's the. 36 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,560 Acoustics are great in here. Yeah, well that was one of the 37 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:32,160 things we we talked to a realtor and said I'm gonna need a house 38 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:37,400 with great acoustics. So let me I can actually not 39 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:38,760 plugged into anything. This is on the laptop. 40 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:41,560 So this is like this is the empty apartment. 41 00:02:43,130 --> 00:02:44,610 It's completely empty. Nice. 42 00:02:44,690 --> 00:02:48,450 There's nothing in it. Incredible. 43 00:02:48,850 --> 00:02:52,410 Just extremely good vibes. I mean, I can't believe one. 44 00:02:52,410 --> 00:02:55,850 I can't believe that your your take was I'm gonna win 45 00:02:55,850 --> 00:02:58,850 $2,000,000 and then move to the least tax friendly state in the 46 00:02:58,850 --> 00:03:02,250 Union. And then also I'm gonna do that 47 00:03:02,290 --> 00:03:04,690 on September 1st. Just really great stuff. 48 00:03:05,050 --> 00:03:07,890 For me, Hey, yeah, well, you know, when you win, you gotta 49 00:03:07,930 --> 00:03:11,330 you gotta make sure that you don't seem like out of touch. 50 00:03:11,950 --> 00:03:14,390 And so I just immediately wanted people to, like, think I wasn't 51 00:03:14,390 --> 00:03:16,390 sharp at all. And so it's like, I'm gonna move 52 00:03:16,390 --> 00:03:20,470 during best ball season. And not only am I gonna move to 53 00:03:20,470 --> 00:03:23,470 a highest tax state, I'm gonna remind people that I was in 54 00:03:23,470 --> 00:03:25,830 literally the highest tax place in the entire country before 55 00:03:25,830 --> 00:03:29,230 that This is actually a lower tax move for me because I was in 56 00:03:29,230 --> 00:03:31,790 New York City. That's probably the yeah, New 57 00:03:31,790 --> 00:03:34,470 York City is the only place you can move from where that's 58 00:03:34,470 --> 00:03:36,670 probably true in San Diego, that's. 59 00:03:37,350 --> 00:03:40,710 Yeah, this was an upgrade. We love to see it. 60 00:03:41,530 --> 00:03:44,770 Well, I made the much easier move from Maine to New 61 00:03:44,770 --> 00:03:46,650 Hampshire, which is just a couple hour drive. 62 00:03:46,650 --> 00:03:50,490 But yeah, this is my probably like 6 different backgrounds 63 00:03:50,490 --> 00:03:53,130 I've had over the course, the ADP chasing offseason. 64 00:03:53,130 --> 00:03:55,530 I gotta put some stuff back here, so. 65 00:03:55,650 --> 00:03:58,090 Yeah, busy, busy, busy offseason for you guys. 66 00:03:58,090 --> 00:04:00,930 I haven't done shit. I've just been same place I've 67 00:04:00,930 --> 00:04:04,260 just been. Literally, literally I I just I 68 00:04:04,260 --> 00:04:06,540 don't know if you guys are feeling this but I the the sense 69 00:04:06,540 --> 00:04:08,540 of relief. I finished on DraftKings this 70 00:04:08,540 --> 00:04:11,420 morning and I finished on underdog this morning and so all 71 00:04:11,420 --> 00:04:14,220 I have left to do is these drafters teams and like you know 72 00:04:14,220 --> 00:04:16,860 that's overlay anyway. So if those teams suck they 73 00:04:16,860 --> 00:04:17,899 suck. It doesn't matter. 74 00:04:17,899 --> 00:04:21,100 I I feel a giant sense of relief right now. 75 00:04:21,100 --> 00:04:24,020 I feel great to be done drafting these teams. 76 00:04:26,100 --> 00:04:27,980 I'm gonna see drafts tomorrow. You're you're done. 77 00:04:28,980 --> 00:04:31,340 Oh, I'm gonna keep. I'm gonna keep drafting 78 00:04:31,340 --> 00:04:34,140 obviously until kickoff. But it's all low stress now. 79 00:04:34,220 --> 00:04:36,940 It's like it's like what's done is what's done is done. 80 00:04:36,940 --> 00:04:39,900 The flagship contests are over my chances of winning 81 00:04:39,900 --> 00:04:41,980 $1,000,000. You know it is what it is. 82 00:04:41,980 --> 00:04:44,530 That's all done I. I can just. 83 00:04:44,530 --> 00:04:47,050 I can just draft guys I like. I can just take Brees Hall. 84 00:04:47,050 --> 00:04:49,210 I can take Wanda. I can take Wandale in every 85 00:04:49,210 --> 00:04:50,290 draft. I've been doing this. 86 00:04:50,810 --> 00:04:53,290 Brees, Hall and Wandale are all my final BBM team I'm about to 87 00:04:53,290 --> 00:04:55,570 tweet out. Yeah, yeah, Wandale. 88 00:04:55,890 --> 00:04:58,450 Honestly, if I could go back in time and do one thing, it would 89 00:04:58,450 --> 00:05:01,730 be telling myself that to not be worried about Wandale's knee and 90 00:05:01,730 --> 00:05:03,930 to just draft him the entire time. 91 00:05:04,270 --> 00:05:07,590 Because I would love to do a final exposure tweet with 92 00:05:07,590 --> 00:05:10,670 literally 100% Wandale. With Wandale on every single 93 00:05:10,670 --> 00:05:13,990 team like that is my dream. But I obviously was not able to 94 00:05:13,990 --> 00:05:15,390 accomplish. You guys are gonna be fine 95 00:05:15,390 --> 00:05:17,910 without the Giants. Uh, third string slot receiver? 96 00:05:17,910 --> 00:05:19,830 Don't worry. That's You mean you mean you 97 00:05:19,830 --> 00:05:22,310 mean the Giants targets per route run leader? 98 00:05:24,070 --> 00:05:25,710 That's that's gonna be a I mean you, Sam. 99 00:05:25,790 --> 00:05:28,230 Yeah. That's 5:15 on the last show. 100 00:05:28,270 --> 00:05:32,830 OK, yeah, I just wanted to get a couple bad, couple more bad 101 00:05:32,830 --> 00:05:36,070 takes off, But I think you're going to be OK without the 55 102 00:05:36,990 --> 00:05:44,190 backup slaughter seater for how? He he got recruited to Nebraska 103 00:05:44,190 --> 00:05:46,550 as a running back. If there was a way to 104 00:05:46,630 --> 00:05:50,590 analytically measure guys who had that dog in him, I I think 105 00:05:50,590 --> 00:05:54,870 Wandell might lead the entire NFL in dog per pound like he. 106 00:05:54,990 --> 00:05:57,070 Dog per dog per pound I. Mean dog. 107 00:05:57,310 --> 00:06:00,550 Dog per pound would. Be close, I mean 22 not. 108 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:03,040 Tutu doesn't have that much dog tank. 109 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:06,280 Tutu doesn't have that much dog. Deuce Vaughn is the other guy. 110 00:06:06,280 --> 00:06:09,960 Dog, yeah. I don't know, I think. 111 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,960 I think it might be deuce. I think Deuce actually weighs 112 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:17,680 more than Wandell. I believe that's. 113 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,480 I mean, he must. He's won 70 in Wandell. 114 00:06:20,840 --> 00:06:22,640 That might actually be close. Do you know what? 115 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,400 Yeah. I OK, I'm gonna guess. 116 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,800 Nice tight show already. Nice tight show. 117 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,640 I'm gonna guess I'm gonna. I'm just OK. 118 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,000 I'm just stalling because I don't want to show these this 119 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:36,920 closing line value game. I really. 120 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,360 I fought hard with the lawyers to not have to show this 121 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:40,520 because. Oh really? 122 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,640 Boy, I mean, it's resolved this thing and you know, yeah, yeah, 123 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,720 that you did. You made the worst pick by far 124 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:48,440 in this. Let's just get into it. 125 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,200 I'm gonna guess Karain one. I'm gonna get Karain one and. 126 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:53,520 All right. Big breeze, baby. 127 00:06:54,490 --> 00:06:59,090 Oh, man. So I just kept did pretty well. 128 00:07:00,330 --> 00:07:04,690 I just kept picking guys that I was taking and the market didn't 129 00:07:04,690 --> 00:07:07,050 like. It took the market until the 130 00:07:07,050 --> 00:07:09,950 last week. To start drafting Hardy in Tutu. 131 00:07:09,950 --> 00:07:11,910 But like, I just like, I think I nominated. 132 00:07:12,070 --> 00:07:15,230 I think I nominated every 5-7 wide receiver I was drafting. 133 00:07:15,270 --> 00:07:18,110 Yeah, so some people we're trying to. 134 00:07:18,470 --> 00:07:20,910 Some people were just trying to give like good picks and not 135 00:07:20,910 --> 00:07:23,510 just jump on the steam of players that were clearly gonna 136 00:07:23,510 --> 00:07:25,750 rise in value. And some people tried to cheat 137 00:07:25,750 --> 00:07:30,300 the system and win the game and that's that's how Pat got to 9% 138 00:07:30,300 --> 00:07:32,260 here. So Davis, if you went with 139 00:07:32,260 --> 00:07:37,060 Davis, you invested in a very safe, like treasury bond type of 140 00:07:37,060 --> 00:07:38,980 investment. Yes, it was a solid return. 141 00:07:40,060 --> 00:07:43,020 If you invested with me, I beat the stock market. 142 00:07:43,340 --> 00:07:47,540 If you invested with Sam, it's better than an NFT it. 143 00:07:47,540 --> 00:07:51,580 Was better than. What's so funny though, Karane, 144 00:07:51,580 --> 00:07:53,980 is that. I was telling you this whole 145 00:07:53,980 --> 00:07:56,660 time, if you like Brees Hall in the third, you're gonna love him 146 00:07:56,660 --> 00:07:59,540 in the 4th. And I ended up being right. 147 00:07:59,540 --> 00:08:00,300 I love. Him in the 4th. 148 00:08:00,580 --> 00:08:04,580 But but The thing is The thing is now is that I am jamming the 149 00:08:04,580 --> 00:08:06,820 shit at a breeze hall. Like when we started doing this 150 00:08:06,820 --> 00:08:11,180 I was the I was the Breeze Hall bear and I I bear. 151 00:08:11,180 --> 00:08:14,180 I don't think I had. I bet I had like 2 or 3% of him, 152 00:08:15,380 --> 00:08:18,760 you know, before, before the. What was even the impetus for 153 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:20,960 him starting to go in the 4th? I don't even remember. 154 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:22,600 It was just the cook rumors, I guess. 155 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:27,280 He fell to the late 3rd, but didn't really in the DraftKings. 156 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,480 You could get him in the fourth during the cook rumors, then 157 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:32,080 cooked. I think the impetus grim on the 158 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:35,520 4th, yeah, was like the cube symbol on DraftKings made him 159 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:37,760 drop. Even the fourth, yeah. 160 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:43,000 But then he came back up from there because I like sat that 161 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,040 fall out. Like I or I I took some of the 162 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:48,160 4th on DraftKings but I I kind of cooled off because I was like 163 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,240 oh this is going to happen. I can get even cheaper. 164 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:54,400 But then Cook left New York and it didn't like seem like super 165 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:55,720 imminent. He was going to sign or maybe he 166 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,480 wouldn't sign and he creeped back up and I I dipped my toes 167 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:01,600 back in at the the mid third prices. 168 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:03,680 But then, once Cook signed, that's when he was. 169 00:09:04,550 --> 00:09:05,670 Truly in the. What? 170 00:09:05,750 --> 00:09:07,350 What feels? Go ahead, Sam. 171 00:09:07,510 --> 00:09:09,870 Yeah, I just wanna set the. I think some people in the chat 172 00:09:09,870 --> 00:09:11,790 are confused. So let's set the stage here. 173 00:09:11,790 --> 00:09:15,510 What we actually did is I'd say in about half the shows from 174 00:09:15,510 --> 00:09:20,950 February until now, we picked the best value at the end of the 175 00:09:20,950 --> 00:09:24,670 show and this is measured in percent increase or decrease in 176 00:09:24,670 --> 00:09:28,750 my case in ADP from when we made the pick till now. 177 00:09:29,070 --> 00:09:31,970 So this is not our entire portfolio. 178 00:09:32,330 --> 00:09:36,330 This is like 12 to 14 players, I think slightly different numbers 179 00:09:36,530 --> 00:09:39,690 for each of us. So I would say that like you 180 00:09:39,690 --> 00:09:43,370 know you should judge us as fantasy analysts purely based 181 00:09:43,370 --> 00:09:47,610 off the results of this game. This is like a clear clear. 182 00:09:48,050 --> 00:09:50,970 Signal of how good we are. Fantasy football. 183 00:09:50,970 --> 00:09:53,800 This is kind of pretty, yeah. Everything seems like a good. 184 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:55,560 Metric to judge people on for sure. 185 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:57,160 Yeah. So let's let's dive in. 186 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,640 This is the overall numbers. I think the devil is in the 187 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:01,560 details here. This is what really matters. 188 00:10:01,560 --> 00:10:04,000 So. So Pat yes he got you some kind 189 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,720 of cheap big wins you know picking Tony Pauler. 190 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,760 Jalen Warren that was obvious you know. 191 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:13,640 But but he gave you the two worst picks in the entire game 192 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:15,800 and Kyle Pitts and Brisal. So if you. 193 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:19,480 Stuck with Pat, you got honestly stacked together a couple small 194 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:23,320 wins, you know, maybe a little bit more couple small losses, 195 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,680 but I was. Trying to say fuck, why did you 196 00:10:26,680 --> 00:10:29,360 choose Kyle Pitts when everyone hates Kyle Pitts? 197 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,080 There was like, what? What could have? 198 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,560 The only thing that could have gotten Kyle Pitts as a riser 199 00:10:34,560 --> 00:10:36,240 would have been if they traded for a quarterback. 200 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:38,480 That would have been the only. Thing I think I had a couple 201 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:40,640 outs of the Kyle Pitts. One, I forget when I made it, 202 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:42,360 but they traded like quarterback. 203 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:43,960 I can. I can check when you made it. 204 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,200 Yeah, that might have been like an April one or something. 205 00:10:48,050 --> 00:10:50,010 They trade for quarterback. You're also at the time and he 206 00:10:50,010 --> 00:10:54,130 went in the he's probably going the late 6th at the time and he 207 00:10:54,130 --> 00:10:58,210 was a third round pick the year before and he's coming off this 208 00:10:58,210 --> 00:10:59,770 injury. So I was like, you know he's 209 00:10:59,770 --> 00:11:04,770 going to be practicing making highlight plays again and we're 210 00:11:04,770 --> 00:11:07,770 going to return to the same hype that we that we had on this guy 211 00:11:07,890 --> 00:11:09,810 to some extent, you know he jumps to the 5th. 212 00:11:09,810 --> 00:11:11,510 That's a big win. Well, it did. 213 00:11:11,550 --> 00:11:13,590 It did happen with some guys, right? 214 00:11:13,590 --> 00:11:16,110 Like Sky Moore, Like nothing really happened for him, right? 215 00:11:16,150 --> 00:11:19,790 He just returned to where he was going last year as someone who 216 00:11:19,790 --> 00:11:21,470 is completed. The Darren Waller rise is 217 00:11:21,470 --> 00:11:23,750 basically what I was hoping for. Yeah, also I should say quickly, 218 00:11:23,750 --> 00:11:26,510 sorry Davis, I won't wanna let you continue but I didn't put 219 00:11:26,510 --> 00:11:30,270 this on this chart. But on this chart red is is me. 220 00:11:30,310 --> 00:11:34,630 Sadly green is Pat and purple is Davis. 221 00:11:35,390 --> 00:11:38,550 So that's that's assured that, but Davis worried about to say. 222 00:11:39,620 --> 00:11:42,100 Well, I just. I'm in this spot where I've 223 00:11:42,100 --> 00:11:45,020 completed 425 drafts on Underdog. 224 00:11:45,340 --> 00:11:49,180 I have $1297.00 of exposure to Kyle Pitts. 225 00:11:49,180 --> 00:11:52,580 He is my third most drafted player overall, and I don't even 226 00:11:52,580 --> 00:11:54,140 like him. Like, I don't even. 227 00:11:54,140 --> 00:11:58,910 I'm not even all that like. It's it's it is purely a profile 228 00:11:58,910 --> 00:12:02,790 bet on a guy who is so good and gets open so easily. 229 00:12:02,990 --> 00:12:06,470 But like, you don't have to tell me I'm a dipshit for taking him. 230 00:12:06,470 --> 00:12:08,550 Like, I totally get how this goes wrong. 231 00:12:08,550 --> 00:12:12,750 Like Parker Hesse is out there. He's, you know, Desmond Ritter 232 00:12:12,750 --> 00:12:16,360 sucks ass like. The the people have just made-up 233 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:19,600 their minds on Kyle Pitts really is I think what it is, is people 234 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,880 just there. There are there are not good 235 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,480 people on both sides. It's just it's just two people 236 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,960 who are totally entrenched on both sides of the Kyle Pits 237 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,080 debate. I don't know, man. 238 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:33,320 I think my read on it was once we got the preseason stuff of 239 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:36,120 Kyle Pitts not running every route. 240 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,520 Then we all we all pooped our pants. 241 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:40,600 That's what happened because we were all so nervous. 242 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,360 We're going to get burned again. That we're all just like, God, 243 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,400 it's it's all going to hell. We're losing. 244 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,360 We're losing again on Cal pits. I actually do think. 245 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,280 It's gonna happen. I actually do think he, but it's 246 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:54,400 much more palatable as a seventh round pick than as a second 247 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:55,600 round pick. Like basically I. 248 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:57,080 Can just smash in the seventh round? 249 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,760 Yeah, I looked and I was like man, I didn't have enough. 250 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:03,760 I made a point in my last few drafts to target him cuz I felt 251 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:07,800 like I didn't have enough. So, so the thing about the word 252 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,960 is the 7th rounder, the thing about the Pitts preseason usage 253 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:15,920 stuff is like, I think I would chalk that up as nothing. 254 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,880 And I still like mostly I'm chalking that up as nothing. 255 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:22,760 The only small part of me that makes me think that is real is 256 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:26,520 the knee injury thing for him. And he had that, yeah, that knee 257 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,200 brace he was wearing. I think he's shed that now, but 258 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:33,090 he wore that like much later than what sort of the Twitter 259 00:13:33,090 --> 00:13:35,170 doctor consensus sort of predicted it. 260 00:13:35,170 --> 00:13:36,330 It was like flagged. Yeah, sort of. 261 00:13:36,490 --> 00:13:38,610 This is a bit of a red flag. He's still hobbling a little 262 00:13:38,610 --> 00:13:39,130 bit. He stills and. 263 00:13:39,130 --> 00:13:40,690 Maybe they were lying about how much. 264 00:13:40,690 --> 00:13:44,010 Yeah, maybe the injury is like, yeah, exactly, exactly. 265 00:13:44,010 --> 00:13:47,490 So that's what had me just a little worried on Pitts. 266 00:13:48,490 --> 00:13:52,970 I think I'll end up being, like, slightly underweight him. 267 00:13:53,290 --> 00:13:57,290 But yeah, I I definitely see. Like I I would not tell people 268 00:13:57,290 --> 00:13:59,770 that you're dumb for being in on Kyle Pitts this year. 269 00:14:00,850 --> 00:14:03,690 It's just not it's not my favorite play with sort of the 270 00:14:03,690 --> 00:14:06,250 different concerns there. But anyways couple funny things 271 00:14:06,250 --> 00:14:09,690 here I wanted to highlight. Davis somehow scores a win for 272 00:14:09,690 --> 00:14:13,930 the Baker Mayfield take. That ends up being a positive 273 00:14:13,930 --> 00:14:18,770 riser in ATP value, which. When I when I pick, when I 274 00:14:18,770 --> 00:14:22,050 picked him, he was like the quarterback 38 because people 275 00:14:22,050 --> 00:14:24,730 were still thinking Kyle Trask. People were thinking they might 276 00:14:24,730 --> 00:14:26,490 trade for trade lands. People are thinking they might 277 00:14:26,490 --> 00:14:28,930 trade for Tannehill. And I was like, no, dude. 278 00:14:29,550 --> 00:14:33,070 Baker is gonna win this job, so I like that win there. 279 00:14:33,230 --> 00:14:36,710 Feels like, feels like actually, if I had to go through all these 280 00:14:36,710 --> 00:14:40,150 picks, the one who should be graded as the biggest win is 281 00:14:40,150 --> 00:14:42,790 Brock Purdy. The Purdy was a huge win 282 00:14:42,790 --> 00:14:44,390 because. Yeah, I agree. 283 00:14:44,390 --> 00:14:46,750 Actually, that's green. Yeah, that's a good point. 284 00:14:48,770 --> 00:14:52,690 Will you Crane? You sort of saved me actually 285 00:14:52,690 --> 00:14:54,610 because there would have been a chance that I would have been 286 00:14:54,610 --> 00:14:57,690 very stubborn on Trey Lance and that I would be like, look dude, 287 00:14:57,690 --> 00:15:00,490 you play to win the game. What do you win when you win 288 00:15:00,730 --> 00:15:04,850 Trey Lance and the last round of Underdog and and just like it's 289 00:15:04,850 --> 00:15:07,130 an example, I think of something I really would have been 290 00:15:07,130 --> 00:15:10,570 stubborn on when I was like 27 years old and I'd never would 291 00:15:10,570 --> 00:15:13,610 have been a Purdy guy. But I totally changed course and 292 00:15:13,610 --> 00:15:17,490 before Purdy got really expensive like Purdy, I've 12% 293 00:15:17,490 --> 00:15:20,140 of him. Across 425 drafts on underdog. 294 00:15:20,660 --> 00:15:22,540 But at one point it was way more than that. 295 00:15:22,540 --> 00:15:24,860 At one point he was my most drafted quarterback because he 296 00:15:24,860 --> 00:15:27,700 was like the quarterback 28 and that. 297 00:15:27,700 --> 00:15:31,500 I was just like, that's just free money because he's the 49er 298 00:15:31,500 --> 00:15:33,420 starter. Now that he's like the 299 00:15:33,420 --> 00:15:37,140 quarterback 22, I like it a lot. Like obviously his closing 300 00:15:37,140 --> 00:15:38,380 price. I think it's pretty close to 301 00:15:38,380 --> 00:15:42,740 efficient, but to me that is one of the biggest wins and I think 302 00:15:42,940 --> 00:15:46,930 James Cook, Sam got on that. Very early as well, he ended up. 303 00:15:46,930 --> 00:15:50,210 I mean Cook is, I know this isn't a best ball show, but 304 00:15:50,410 --> 00:15:52,930 James Cook is just a middle of the fifth round pick in the main 305 00:15:52,930 --> 00:15:54,370 event now. Like if you're doing the main 306 00:15:54,370 --> 00:15:57,650 event this week and you want James Cook, you got to spend a 307 00:15:57,650 --> 00:16:00,770 fifth round pick on him. Well, if we're trying to win 308 00:16:00,770 --> 00:16:04,930 this game, I mean, here's a little bit of advice for for my 309 00:16:04,930 --> 00:16:09,370 competitors here, we should be checking the high stakes drafts, 310 00:16:09,370 --> 00:16:12,450 the early high stakes drafts, and comparing those underdogs. 311 00:16:12,450 --> 00:16:16,000 I think that's like a good. Way to figure out who's gonna 312 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,200 get steamed right? Like who are the high stakes 313 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:19,960 guys on? That show, That's a good point, 314 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:25,280 yeah. I will say the Purdy one, like I 315 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:27,160 do think maybe I should get double credit for that, cuz 316 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:31,600 that's a Lance faller pick too. And that was, I mean, probably 317 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,560 we didn't have to do fallers, but Lance was probably the 318 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,030 biggest. Like, I mean, obviously Grace 319 00:16:37,030 --> 00:16:40,110 was pretty big too. OK, do this. 320 00:16:40,390 --> 00:16:43,070 Do this next year with fallers and just be haters at the end of 321 00:16:43,110 --> 00:16:46,950 shows instead of. We could play the Bishop Tell 322 00:16:46,950 --> 00:16:48,590 show hate foot. Yeah, yeah. 323 00:16:48,750 --> 00:16:51,110 We actually actually dead ass. We should do that. 324 00:16:51,110 --> 00:16:52,750 We should pick a riser and a faller. 325 00:16:52,870 --> 00:16:54,430 I think that I think that would be a good idea. 326 00:16:54,430 --> 00:16:55,990 I think we actually like on iron. 327 00:16:56,030 --> 00:16:59,310 I think that would be helpful because it could even be, it 328 00:16:59,310 --> 00:17:01,910 could even be guys with that we might even like a little bit, 329 00:17:01,950 --> 00:17:04,609 you know? But it would be like, I'm not 330 00:17:04,609 --> 00:17:06,210 buying, I'm not buying at this price. 331 00:17:06,210 --> 00:17:09,970 I'm gonna buy, you know I'm gonna buy, I don't know, Jacoby 332 00:17:09,970 --> 00:17:13,170 Myers later, after everyone has found someone else to be in love 333 00:17:13,170 --> 00:17:14,050 with. Right. 334 00:17:14,369 --> 00:17:16,210 Or you guys could have gotten me on Breece there. 335 00:17:18,210 --> 00:17:19,810 Yeah, I honestly probably would have been. 336 00:17:19,810 --> 00:17:22,970 I probably backed up your Breece as a good pic take. 337 00:17:22,970 --> 00:17:26,329 So I can't even, I can't even criticize you for that, I think. 338 00:17:28,150 --> 00:17:30,350 Michael Wilson. How is Michael Wilson not a 339 00:17:30,350 --> 00:17:32,590 bigger riser? I see that guy go in the 15th 340 00:17:32,590 --> 00:17:34,230 round. I guess it's just because he was 341 00:17:34,230 --> 00:17:37,150 an 18th round pick and 15. Yeah, yeah, it's not that big. 342 00:17:37,230 --> 00:17:38,910 The percentage change isn't that big. 343 00:17:38,910 --> 00:17:43,550 That's the thing where like the Pollard thing, like he only rose 344 00:17:43,550 --> 00:17:45,510 what, 8 spots maybe or what? Maybe. 345 00:17:45,510 --> 00:17:47,030 But it's a huge percentage difference. 346 00:17:47,030 --> 00:17:49,470 Huge percentage. Yeah, like the penny thing. 347 00:17:49,750 --> 00:17:53,630 I got penny at like 2. Or maybe it was like 180. 348 00:17:53,630 --> 00:17:55,230 This is before he signed with the Eagles. 349 00:17:55,230 --> 00:17:56,470 That's when I had the Penny take. 350 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,760 So he had to shoot up a ton, like 60 spots and he still 351 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,960 didn't even match the the Pollard and Warren picks. 352 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:06,080 Yeah. The other thing to keep in mind 353 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:12,080 here, Pat has rankings where you can kind of influence of ADT. 354 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,440 So yeah, he has all these kind of sheep, sheep followers that 355 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,050 take his rankings and just draft this. 356 00:18:18,050 --> 00:18:21,650 Off we're we're we are, uh we are we are we are giving him the 357 00:18:21,650 --> 00:18:24,010 Leone critique of. I don't think it's time to give. 358 00:18:24,050 --> 00:18:26,290 Me, the market. I don't think I'm moving the 359 00:18:26,290 --> 00:18:27,010 market. I'm not. 360 00:18:27,090 --> 00:18:28,770 Yeah, no. Every time he made a pick, he 361 00:18:28,770 --> 00:18:31,370 just like shot those guys up in his rankings. 362 00:18:34,130 --> 00:18:35,810 Yeah, he was clearly gaming the system. 363 00:18:35,810 --> 00:18:38,130 So we have to fact, I think once you factor in all those 364 00:18:38,130 --> 00:18:40,810 variables, you could argue that I I won the game, but you know. 365 00:18:41,410 --> 00:18:44,250 Yeah. Well, we factor in them a lot, 366 00:18:44,250 --> 00:18:49,540 Sam. Feels like when did I can't. 367 00:18:49,540 --> 00:18:51,420 I can't see the color on the Ty Chandler pick. 368 00:18:51,420 --> 00:18:53,620 I assume that I made that one, Davis. 369 00:18:53,620 --> 00:18:55,420 We both had. Yeah, we both. 370 00:18:55,500 --> 00:18:58,420 We had a duplicate Ty Chandler. We both had that and neither of 371 00:18:58,420 --> 00:19:00,380 us really got paid off, even though I think we should. 372 00:19:00,380 --> 00:19:02,700 Have That's such bullshit. Ty Chandler. 373 00:19:02,700 --> 00:19:06,420 Ty Chandler is like the best pick after pick 150 now. 374 00:19:06,540 --> 00:19:10,700 Like Ty Chandler faded. He like like Neo in The Matrix. 375 00:19:10,700 --> 00:19:12,820 He faded for net. He faded Hunt. 376 00:19:12,820 --> 00:19:14,500 He faded. All these guys. 377 00:19:15,090 --> 00:19:19,570 And Kenne and Wong who who was reportedly ahead of him all 378 00:19:19,770 --> 00:19:22,410 preseason, gets placed on the short term IR. 379 00:19:22,410 --> 00:19:26,250 They claim Miles Gaskin, who all due respect to our friend's 380 00:19:26,250 --> 00:19:29,730 friend Laird, Laird and Gaskin go way back, but he is not an 381 00:19:29,730 --> 00:19:35,330 NFL running back. He really is subpart like I just 382 00:19:35,370 --> 00:19:39,410 you know and like Ty Chandler is the answer to the Madison fade, 383 00:19:39,410 --> 00:19:41,770 which I think all of us are on. I don't think any of us are 384 00:19:41,770 --> 00:19:43,530 Madison guys. So like. 385 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:47,960 Ky Chandler should be going where like he should be like the 386 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,400 running back 45. He should be going like after a 387 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:53,800 change, Yeah. I have a rant on this where 388 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,920 like, we kind of and I tweeted this out. 389 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,120 So apologies from repeating sort of the same take. 390 00:19:59,120 --> 00:20:01,760 But we've kind of like figured out or at least have good 391 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:05,240 guesses on a lot of these running back to situations now. 392 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,640 And people are still just like saying, yeah, let's just draft 393 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:12,980 like Devin Singletary. Who's maybe that the two down 394 00:20:13,020 --> 00:20:16,620 only back up to Damien Pierce. Not even gonna play on 3rd 3rd 395 00:20:16,620 --> 00:20:19,140 downs. Now let's just draft him at 170 396 00:20:19,140 --> 00:20:22,140 every time and leave. Like Rico Daddle, Ty Chandler 397 00:20:22,140 --> 00:20:23,340 Jerome. It's insane. 398 00:20:23,660 --> 00:20:25,820 It's all these guys that have much more upside. 399 00:20:25,820 --> 00:20:28,020 I get maybe you can say their floors are a bit lower, but 400 00:20:28,020 --> 00:20:30,220 everyone's like Singletary at 170 every time. 401 00:20:30,220 --> 00:20:34,740 And let's just leave Rico Daddle at .5% drafted in BBM. 402 00:20:34,860 --> 00:20:36,860 Because I just don't. It's like. 403 00:20:37,580 --> 00:20:40,900 Inertia is only powerful for like some players. 404 00:20:40,900 --> 00:20:44,060 It's like it's like Curtis Samuel has been the wide 405 00:20:44,060 --> 00:20:47,540 receiver 75 to 77 for five months now. 406 00:20:47,620 --> 00:20:51,220 Like like Sam Howell hype Mclaurin injury. 407 00:20:51,340 --> 00:20:53,140 None of that has moved him at all. 408 00:20:53,380 --> 00:20:58,220 But then like 1 poorly sourced Eagles beat report on Kenneth 409 00:20:58,220 --> 00:21:01,180 Gainwell made him an 11th round pick for like 5 days. 410 00:21:01,180 --> 00:21:02,260 I just like. I don't. 411 00:21:02,500 --> 00:21:04,340 I guess I don't really understand. 412 00:21:05,690 --> 00:21:10,730 The the market being so gung ho based on some information and 413 00:21:10,730 --> 00:21:13,010 then not reacting to other information at all. 414 00:21:13,210 --> 00:21:16,690 I I don't know, I don't know. I don't know if it's like the 415 00:21:16,690 --> 00:21:18,410 rankings that people are importing. 416 00:21:18,490 --> 00:21:20,330 I I don't know. I don't actually do not know 417 00:21:20,330 --> 00:21:22,970 what it is. It is strange because like some 418 00:21:22,970 --> 00:21:27,090 guys did because at times I wondered if like the underdog 419 00:21:27,690 --> 00:21:31,130 ADP was updating kind of slowly or slower than some of the other 420 00:21:31,130 --> 00:21:34,290 sites because but then. I don't think that's right 421 00:21:34,290 --> 00:21:37,490 because like, Darren Waller skyrocketed. 422 00:21:39,410 --> 00:21:43,050 And that was one where it was just people. 423 00:21:37,490 --> 00:21:44,690 Like truly. I think being like, oh he's 424 00:21:44,690 --> 00:21:47,010 healthy and he's the Giants number one wide receiver. 425 00:21:47,610 --> 00:21:51,970 And that that information was kind of like, it was one of 426 00:21:51,970 --> 00:21:55,290 those things where I think like the more casual people came in, 427 00:21:55,290 --> 00:21:57,290 they were like, I'm going to take this guy. 428 00:21:58,090 --> 00:22:01,570 Like why would I not take this guy in the 5th like? 429 00:22:02,630 --> 00:22:05,390 But then some other some other situations where I, you know, I 430 00:22:05,390 --> 00:22:08,270 feel like the case for for a player role was super strong as 431 00:22:08,270 --> 00:22:09,870 well. They, their Adps didn't really 432 00:22:09,870 --> 00:22:11,510 budget. So it's just it was sort of 433 00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:14,470 difficult. It was difficult to protect the 434 00:22:14,470 --> 00:22:16,470 risers overall. Yeah. 435 00:22:16,630 --> 00:22:20,030 And then we didn't really have, like last year we had the Jalen 436 00:22:20,030 --> 00:22:23,670 Warren thing where he kind of emerged out of nowhere as the 437 00:22:23,670 --> 00:22:26,950 clear RV2HE shot up draft boards, I think remembering 438 00:22:26,950 --> 00:22:28,790 rights like the 14th, 15th round. 439 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,320 We didn't really have that this year, even though I think we 440 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,280 kind of got like, I guess people just don't want to believe in 441 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,480 like the Rico Dowdl and Chris Evans stuff. 442 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,760 And I get why you don't want to believe in that. 443 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:42,080 But people seem to just not be buying like the camp news and 444 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:43,800 PCs and usage. We were getting on some of these 445 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,720 RB twos and just leaving them, you know, for free in the last 446 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,320 round. I kind of expected to see like, 447 00:22:50,360 --> 00:22:53,760 oh, once we get the information on who Dallas is gonna use at RB 448 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,480 2, that's a very valuable role. I think it's pretty clearly Rico 449 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,760 Dowdl with Malik Davis cut from the team and on the practice 450 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,320 squad and the market's kind of just like. 451 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:07,280 Rico I would take Rico Dowdl straight up ahead of Ezekiel 452 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,760 Elliott in any format. Like any format, I would take 453 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,960 Rico Dowdl ahead of Z, but you can get him in the 18th round. 454 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,970 Well that's the thing too is even if like I may be slightly 455 00:23:17,970 --> 00:23:20,450 disagree on like straight up over. 456 00:23:20,450 --> 00:23:23,370 But then once you factor in that Zeke is probably gonna be 457 00:23:23,370 --> 00:23:26,970 drafted in what 95? Maybe there was like a 5% of you 458 00:23:26,970 --> 00:23:29,130 know window when he was unsigned and he didn't get drafted. 459 00:23:29,130 --> 00:23:31,850 But I think he's gonna be drafted like 95% of drafts and 460 00:23:31,850 --> 00:23:35,930 Rico Daddlow is gonna be like maybe 10% like Chris Evans is 461 00:23:35,930 --> 00:23:40,330 gonna be like maybe 5% like these bets like again Chubba 462 00:23:40,330 --> 00:23:41,650 Hubbard. I think he's a pretty good bet. 463 00:23:41,650 --> 00:23:45,460 I'm not definitely not hating on the Chubba Hubbard pick, but is 464 00:23:45,580 --> 00:23:48,900 like, once you factor in team situation, like how many points 465 00:23:48,900 --> 00:23:51,100 are gonna be available for running back on the Carolina 466 00:23:51,100 --> 00:23:53,620 Panthers versus the Cincinnati Bengals? 467 00:23:53,820 --> 00:23:57,540 Like, is is Hubbard really a better pick in a vacuum than 468 00:23:57,540 --> 00:24:01,020 Dowdle Chris Evans? Like I'm pretty skeptical of 469 00:24:01,020 --> 00:24:02,460 that. And then once you factor in the 470 00:24:02,460 --> 00:24:06,660 roster, ship or ownership, I'm like, why should I be clicking 471 00:24:06,780 --> 00:24:09,100 him over these guys? I don't know. 472 00:24:09,100 --> 00:24:09,860 I've been. I also. 473 00:24:10,140 --> 00:24:12,860 Guys. I think, I think the Chuba 474 00:24:12,860 --> 00:24:14,540 Hubbard one is a good one because I was still taking him 475 00:24:14,540 --> 00:24:19,940 at the end and I was taking him at the end because I don't think 476 00:24:19,940 --> 00:24:25,780 very much of the starter and I am confident that he is the 477 00:24:25,780 --> 00:24:28,740 clear #2. So that like compared to Chris 478 00:24:28,740 --> 00:24:31,180 Evans, like how confident I meant that Chris Evans is 479 00:24:31,340 --> 00:24:33,020 actually the number two like in a. 480 00:24:33,700 --> 00:24:36,860 Chuba Hubbard might be Chuba Hubbard might be the 1B in 481 00:24:36,860 --> 00:24:39,860 Carolina. Yeah, yeah, exactly. 482 00:24:40,370 --> 00:24:42,450 And that that's big, right. You're you're almost getting 483 00:24:42,450 --> 00:24:44,250 like a jail and Warren type of bet with that. 484 00:24:44,250 --> 00:24:46,850 Whereas Chris Evans like if mix and misses a game. 485 00:24:46,850 --> 00:24:50,730 Is it Trayvon who actually leads in snaps or or Chase Brown? 486 00:24:50,730 --> 00:24:55,130 You know, I don't, but there are guys and the guy I would say is 487 00:24:55,130 --> 00:25:00,090 Kyron Williams, who, you know, I was on my final team and was 488 00:25:00,090 --> 00:25:02,770 rested with the starters. And, you know, we talked a 489 00:25:02,770 --> 00:25:06,410 million times how unathletic he is and everything, but like, I 490 00:25:06,410 --> 00:25:09,770 actually feel confident that he is the #2 there. 491 00:25:10,210 --> 00:25:12,490 And they've signaled all summer that he's the number two. 492 00:25:12,490 --> 00:25:18,330 And we got reports from like spring practices that he was 493 00:25:18,330 --> 00:25:21,690 looking good as a pass catcher. He gets rested all preseason. 494 00:25:21,930 --> 00:25:25,530 He's not the only guy, but there are running backs. 495 00:25:25,530 --> 00:25:27,930 So I feel like you've solidified themselves as like Kyonte 496 00:25:28,050 --> 00:25:30,770 Ingram's maybe another one. Kyonte Ingram is a really good 497 00:25:30,770 --> 00:25:32,890 one. Josh Kelly is another really 498 00:25:32,890 --> 00:25:34,590 good one. Like, those guys are cool. 499 00:25:34,870 --> 00:25:39,430 No, the Josh Kelly thing is, is. I actually think that's rational 500 00:25:39,470 --> 00:25:42,510 because Josh Kelly stinks. And Josh Kelly is. 501 00:25:43,070 --> 00:25:44,910 Josh Kelly is. He's on the Charger, She's on 502 00:25:44,910 --> 00:25:45,950 the Chargers. That's the. 503 00:25:46,230 --> 00:25:48,030 Thing. Josh Kelly is a backup to a 504 00:25:48,030 --> 00:25:51,910 different position than Eckler. If Eckler gets hurt, Josh Kelly 505 00:25:51,910 --> 00:25:53,790 is not going to become a high value touch. 506 00:25:53,790 --> 00:25:56,350 God, it will be. There'll be three guys playing 507 00:25:56,590 --> 00:25:58,510 and one of them got a little bit of preseason hype. 508 00:25:58,510 --> 00:26:01,710 I actually think the Kelly thing is totally rational. 509 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:06,560 Well, OK, I guess, but like Even so one of the guys that makes 510 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:07,760 you feel. Good cuz I actually didn't draft 511 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,360 a ton of Kelly. Yeah, I don't have in Kyron, I 512 00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:12,520 don't have a ton of Kelly either. 513 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,160 And I get you can make this argument for Kelly, for Dowdle, 514 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,040 for Chris Evans. I understand the argument and I 515 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,160 see a lot of people in the chat making it that, like when the 516 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:23,160 starter goes down, we don't know that this running back is going 517 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,880 to become a 60% snap player and be the clear starter. 518 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,200 I get that. But I think people are 519 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,620 overconfident that like, again, I'm not hitting on Chava 520 00:26:31,620 --> 00:26:33,220 Hubbard, I'm not hitting on Devon Singletary. 521 00:26:33,220 --> 00:26:36,660 But we're overconfident that those guys are gonna have those 522 00:26:36,660 --> 00:26:39,220 rules roles in the starter goes down like this happens every 523 00:26:39,220 --> 00:26:41,180 year. Last year, Melvin Gordon was 524 00:26:41,180 --> 00:26:43,860 touted as like. One of the things I can't even 525 00:26:43,860 --> 00:26:47,420 deal with the Melvin Gordon stuff because I just openly 526 00:26:47,420 --> 00:26:49,620 mocked people who bid on Latavius Murray. 527 00:26:50,050 --> 00:26:53,410 In my main events and they got paid off and it just like I just 528 00:26:53,410 --> 00:26:56,370 remember being like I do not know ball bro, I do not know. 529 00:26:56,810 --> 00:26:59,130 I did not. I did not bid on Las Vegas 530 00:26:59,130 --> 00:27:00,290 Murray. I don't know, Ball. 531 00:27:00,490 --> 00:27:02,570 Yeah, it's like the Michael Carter thing. 532 00:27:02,570 --> 00:27:05,050 Like Michael Carter and Melvin Gordon last year were touted as 533 00:27:05,050 --> 00:27:07,850 like, these are the best RB twos to take because when the starter 534 00:27:07,850 --> 00:27:10,290 goes down, they're gonna have massive contingent value. 535 00:27:10,570 --> 00:27:12,730 Guess what? Melvin Gordon got cut and 536 00:27:12,730 --> 00:27:15,290 Michael Carter was phased out for Zonovan Knight and 537 00:27:15,290 --> 00:27:16,890 undrafted. Free who has now been cut? 538 00:27:17,470 --> 00:27:20,590 The all these RB twos that we're confident in now like Zeke at 539 00:27:20,590 --> 00:27:23,710 1:45. Like that could completely fail 540 00:27:23,710 --> 00:27:26,870 for Mondre gets injured. So what I'm saying is like I get 541 00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:29,870 Chris Evans 100% can fail. You can tell me he has higher 542 00:27:29,870 --> 00:27:31,350 odds of failing than Chubba Hubbard. 543 00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:35,350 And I agree with you. But a lot of these guys, like, 544 00:27:35,470 --> 00:27:38,790 aren't gonna be that massive contingent upside play, and I 545 00:27:38,790 --> 00:27:42,190 want to mix in like the expected fantasy points going to the 546 00:27:42,190 --> 00:27:44,150 Bengals and Cowboys running backs. 547 00:27:44,150 --> 00:27:46,770 If you're just saying still uncertain, I don't want to like 548 00:27:46,770 --> 00:27:49,410 deal with those situations. I think that's a big mistake in 549 00:27:49,410 --> 00:27:50,970 a tournament. Like, that's what like those 550 00:27:50,970 --> 00:27:52,570 backfields are going to create a shit. 551 00:27:52,570 --> 00:27:54,210 You want it. You want to talk about something 552 00:27:54,210 --> 00:27:58,130 hilarious is that the signal for the last month of the season has 553 00:27:58,130 --> 00:28:00,770 been that cloud over to layer is going to be the Chiefs starting 554 00:28:00,770 --> 00:28:03,290 running back in week one. And no one cares. 555 00:28:03,290 --> 00:28:06,810 I mean, and I don't even I I care in the sense that I take 556 00:28:06,810 --> 00:28:10,330 him with he when it's the 1516 seventeenth 18th round. 557 00:28:10,530 --> 00:28:13,930 But even I don't have the stones to be like he's going to get 558 00:28:13,930 --> 00:28:18,310 more touches. Then McKinnon, you know, like 559 00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:20,430 even I don't really have the stones to put my name down. 560 00:28:20,670 --> 00:28:23,870 And I think, I mean Sean makes this point all the time, which 561 00:28:23,870 --> 00:28:28,110 is that like, Clyde stinks, Like he really does stink. 562 00:28:28,110 --> 00:28:32,670 So any production you get from him is all related to whatever 563 00:28:32,670 --> 00:28:36,230 the Chiefs decide to give him. And it could be they could 564 00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:38,510 elevate generic prints from the practice squad, they could 565 00:28:38,510 --> 00:28:41,190 elevate Le Michael P Ryan from the practice squad and I would 566 00:28:41,190 --> 00:28:42,830 expect them to get better results. 567 00:28:43,190 --> 00:28:46,350 But like Clyde stunk last year and was the running back 8IN 568 00:28:46,350 --> 00:28:49,070 fantasy for the first month of the season and the Chiefs were 569 00:28:49,070 --> 00:28:52,150 undefeated. Like you know it it it was or 570 00:28:52,150 --> 00:28:53,950 did they lose? Was the Colts game week 3? 571 00:28:53,950 --> 00:28:57,750 It doesn't matter. Point being like the market just 572 00:28:57,750 --> 00:29:00,950 decides on guys talent levels and they're right about Clyde. 573 00:29:00,950 --> 00:29:02,790 Like Clyde, Absolutely. The thing, I guess the thing 574 00:29:02,790 --> 00:29:07,150 about Clyde specifically is that you you feel he has no chance to 575 00:29:07,150 --> 00:29:09,470 contribute in the three-week Sprint like he will be a 576 00:29:09,470 --> 00:29:11,390 complete might. He might be cut by the 577 00:29:11,390 --> 00:29:14,080 three-week Sprint. But he is gonna be the chief. 578 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,240 That's necessarily true. Like it. 579 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,400 I mean, he has contingent value in that sense. 580 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,640 Like if if the checker was banged up like Clyde is 581 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,600 basically he's he's very bad. But he I don't think is bad 582 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,480 enough to get like cut as their first round pick. 583 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,440 Like they're gonna just see it out. 584 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,320 You know he won't. He's like, knows. 585 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,000 He knows the offense. I think they trust him to block 586 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,800 from a homes to some extent, like, yeah. 587 00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:42,470 He's like his talent, sort of like attacks on the opportunity 588 00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:45,790 that he will receive, but he's still going to produce like it's 589 00:29:45,790 --> 00:29:48,470 only like a 20% tax. So you know you're going to get. 590 00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:51,590 80% of the opportunities. He's going to get 12 carries and 591 00:29:51,590 --> 00:29:54,270 four targets against the Lions on Thursday night and people are 592 00:29:54,270 --> 00:29:55,390 going to be like losing their minds. 593 00:29:55,390 --> 00:29:57,310 They're going to be like, how did we not know? 594 00:29:57,710 --> 00:30:00,030 And I mean, he's going to turn that into like 38 yards and 595 00:30:00,030 --> 00:30:03,590 probably no touchdowns. But Pacheco's been dinged. 596 00:30:03,630 --> 00:30:05,630 They very, I mean, we don't even have to guess. 597 00:30:05,630 --> 00:30:09,030 We know for a fact. That McKinnon is not going to 598 00:30:09,030 --> 00:30:11,110 get the work early in the season. 599 00:30:11,190 --> 00:30:14,350 Like no, it no chance is he. I mean he'll be he'll play their 600 00:30:14,350 --> 00:30:18,150 downs but they're not gonna do the gadgety end zone stuff with 601 00:30:18,150 --> 00:30:19,830 him to begin the season. I wouldn't. 602 00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:22,830 I don't project. Yeah, that feels like more 603 00:30:22,830 --> 00:30:24,590 likely to come on later in the year. 604 00:30:24,790 --> 00:30:26,990 We saw that last year. I mean, I made this point in our 605 00:30:26,990 --> 00:30:32,830 chat like McKinnon was the RV two overall from weeks 13 to 17. 606 00:30:32,830 --> 00:30:35,550 Like he had this insane stretch. It kind of gets forgotten about 607 00:30:35,550 --> 00:30:39,440 because in the playoffs Pacheco did get more carries, did get 608 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,440 more targets, but McKinnon was still playing a bunch in the 609 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:43,840 playoffs. He loved the team and snaps in 610 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,760 the Super Bowl. So I do agree with you, Davis, 611 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,440 that I imagine they kind of want to arrest McKinnon for the 612 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,640 stretch Ron, assuming he has something left. 613 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,720 But, and they're just gonna do weird stuff. 614 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,160 I mean, they kept 7 wide receivers like the Chiefs are 615 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,730 going to be. They're going to be more 616 00:30:59,730 --> 00:31:01,090 annoying than they were last year. 617 00:31:01,090 --> 00:31:03,170 Like however annoying you thought that Chiefs were for 618 00:31:03,170 --> 00:31:05,730 fantasy football last year, They are going to be more annoying 619 00:31:05,970 --> 00:31:07,730 this year. It's gonna be like Justin Ross 620 00:31:07,730 --> 00:31:11,330 is gonna play like 3 snaps, then he's gonna play 35 snaps the 621 00:31:11,330 --> 00:31:13,050 next week, then he's gonna go back to 10. 622 00:31:13,250 --> 00:31:16,570 Then Rashi Rice is gonna play 11 snaps but get 4 targets on those 623 00:31:16,570 --> 00:31:19,450 11 snaps. Like it is gonna be a fucking 624 00:31:19,690 --> 00:31:21,690 nightmare. Seven wide receivers on the 625 00:31:21,690 --> 00:31:25,810 Chiefs, two of whom are awful in MBS and Justin Watson like it 626 00:31:25,810 --> 00:31:27,900 is. And it is a nightmare, dude. 627 00:31:27,900 --> 00:31:31,260 It's gonna be horrible. Yeah, okay. 628 00:31:31,260 --> 00:31:36,940 Anyways, let's move to touch on the two pieces of news we got 629 00:31:36,940 --> 00:31:39,380 since we last talked. Let's start with the Cooper Cup 630 00:31:39,540 --> 00:31:42,460 injury. So he's visiting a body 631 00:31:42,460 --> 00:31:45,540 specialist, whatever that means in Minnesota right now, to try 632 00:31:45,540 --> 00:31:47,380 to get his hamstring figured out. 633 00:31:47,540 --> 00:31:48,940 He dropped and. Don't want to hear bodies? 634 00:31:49,140 --> 00:31:51,980 That was, that was like, I felt chills down my spine. 635 00:31:52,060 --> 00:31:54,300 Yeah, when I read the words, when I read the words. 636 00:31:54,300 --> 00:31:56,580 He went to Minnesota to see a specialist. 637 00:31:56,580 --> 00:31:59,020 I was like, that is what you hear before. 638 00:31:59,420 --> 00:32:01,620 We're actually gonna, we're actually gonna sit him for three 639 00:32:01,620 --> 00:32:04,100 weeks. Not a doctor, a body specialist. 640 00:32:04,140 --> 00:32:06,180 Yeah. What is a body specialist? 641 00:32:06,700 --> 00:32:09,500 Yeah. I mean, Cooper Cup, Cooper Cup 642 00:32:09,500 --> 00:32:12,540 is he's a Deadhead. So maybe he's like seeing like a 643 00:32:12,540 --> 00:32:14,540 like a homeopathic, like, holistic. 644 00:32:15,390 --> 00:32:17,790 Like chakra lining specialist or something. 645 00:32:17,870 --> 00:32:20,190 Maybe Alex Guerrero, Is he involved in this? 646 00:32:20,190 --> 00:32:21,830 Maybe. Oh God, I hope not. 647 00:32:21,870 --> 00:32:25,430 I mean, The thing is, though, is that we have, like, demonstrable 648 00:32:25,470 --> 00:32:29,510 cases of hamstring injuries, like ruining seasons for really 649 00:32:29,510 --> 00:32:32,510 good wide receivers, Like, hamstrings are what turned Julio 650 00:32:32,510 --> 00:32:35,270 Jones from Julio Jones into a guy went to go play for the 651 00:32:35,270 --> 00:32:37,350 Titans. It was it was his hamstring. 652 00:32:37,550 --> 00:32:39,900 Like it is. Bad for a wide receiver to have 653 00:32:39,900 --> 00:32:41,020 a recurrence. I'm a hamstring. 654 00:32:41,020 --> 00:32:44,860 In great, it is, yeah. The recurrence was very OK, so 655 00:32:45,020 --> 00:32:47,260 let's frame the conversation two ways. 656 00:32:47,340 --> 00:32:51,540 One, where would you guys take up, like, forget best ball 657 00:32:51,540 --> 00:32:53,460 mania? Like, forget the leverage of 658 00:32:53,460 --> 00:32:56,460 getting him later when most teams got him earlier. 659 00:32:56,460 --> 00:33:00,020 Let's just say like you're in a home league with your buddies 660 00:33:00,020 --> 00:33:03,050 tonight. See home league. 661 00:33:03,050 --> 00:33:04,690 I don't want to take him home league. 662 00:33:04,690 --> 00:33:08,330 Your payoff is so low and the risk of ruin is so much higher. 663 00:33:08,490 --> 00:33:11,530 The spot I feel like where you want to take him is in the main 664 00:33:11,530 --> 00:33:15,490 event is in these big tournaments where the payoff is 665 00:33:15,490 --> 00:33:17,810 massive. Your your payoff is getting a 666 00:33:17,810 --> 00:33:20,810 miss price player who can lead the position and points per game 667 00:33:21,010 --> 00:33:23,450 like home league. I'm taking him after waddle 668 00:33:23,490 --> 00:33:25,290 that. That's my line is is wide 669 00:33:25,290 --> 00:33:28,810 receiver, wide receiver 12, whereas I think I would take 670 00:33:28,810 --> 00:33:31,790 him. Still before Devonte Adams in 671 00:33:32,190 --> 00:33:35,430 like I I'm doing a main event tonight and we pick at the 1:05, 672 00:33:35,750 --> 00:33:38,990 so there's like a fairly decent chance he's there coming back 673 00:33:38,990 --> 00:33:41,070 around in the second round. Based on what I've seen, like he 674 00:33:41,070 --> 00:33:43,550 doesn't get there every time, but there's some reasonable 675 00:33:43,550 --> 00:33:46,750 chance and my guys who I'm picking with don't want to take 676 00:33:46,750 --> 00:33:49,070 him, but I kind of want to take him. 677 00:33:49,830 --> 00:33:52,230 I I would take him behind Adams at this point. 678 00:33:52,230 --> 00:33:55,270 Yeah that's that's I think what my line would be is it's very 679 00:33:55,270 --> 00:33:58,430 close to yours Davis but I would take Adams ahead of him cuz I 680 00:33:58,430 --> 00:34:01,550 think they both have like even without the injury. 681 00:34:02,070 --> 00:34:04,390 I think the systemic as much as I kind of was buying the 682 00:34:04,390 --> 00:34:07,510 Stafford cop stacks this season. I I think there is a lot of 683 00:34:07,510 --> 00:34:10,510 systemic risk with the Rams too. You can make that case with the 684 00:34:10,510 --> 00:34:15,800 Raiders, but Devante just being healthy, I'm taking him over cop 685 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,520 at this point. Well, we're already starting to 686 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:23,480 get the the overall bad vibes, and I hadn't even pondered this, 687 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:28,199 but the Los Angeles Rams do own their 2024 first round pick that 688 00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:30,159 had not a first. Time in 10 years. 689 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,120 That had not occurred to me until people started respond 690 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,639 because I sent a cup tweet yesterday and people started 691 00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:37,600 saying actually I sent a Caleb Williams tweet. 692 00:34:38,350 --> 00:34:40,590 Making fun of the Cardinals beat writers and people were like, 693 00:34:40,590 --> 00:34:43,389 no, the Rams actually have good beat writers and I was like, Oh 694 00:34:43,389 --> 00:34:47,030 my fucking God, that would be for so many reasons. 695 00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:51,150 Him going to the Rams would be a disaster for me, mostly because. 696 00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:54,190 Who going to the Rams? Caleb Williams that the Rams get 697 00:34:54,190 --> 00:34:57,190 the number one overall pick like I have a I have a lot of Higbee, 698 00:34:57,350 --> 00:34:59,430 actually. I guess in that world 22 699 00:34:59,430 --> 00:35:02,750 probably sees like 113 targets. If the Rams are the worst team 700 00:35:02,950 --> 00:35:05,990 in the NFL, it is. It is Short King Fall from the 701 00:35:05,990 --> 00:35:09,350 Los Angeles Rams, probably, but it's really bad. 702 00:35:09,350 --> 00:35:12,310 I mean. I don't see like they're too 703 00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:14,470 good. Like they have Stafford, they 704 00:35:14,470 --> 00:35:17,950 have Donald's, they like, they've got McVeigh, like 705 00:35:17,950 --> 00:35:20,510 they're not gonna lose. I mean, I they would have to 706 00:35:20,510 --> 00:35:24,470 like outright like. Obviously Tank like to beat the 707 00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:26,590 Cardinals in the Bucks to the first pick. 708 00:35:26,590 --> 00:35:28,270 Like, I I don't. I don't really see it. 709 00:35:30,750 --> 00:35:33,270 I mean I think it's probably hopeium probably from people who 710 00:35:33,270 --> 00:35:35,670 root who root for the Rams because they know that as 711 00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:39,030 currently constructed there are no outs to like this team as 712 00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:41,950 constructed can't win a Super Bowl right now. 713 00:35:42,350 --> 00:35:45,310 I get maybe if Stafford like totally turns the clock back and 714 00:35:45,310 --> 00:35:47,990 plays like 25 year old minds Matt Stafford or whatever, but 715 00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:51,380 they're they're just so thin. Like, they're they're, they're 716 00:35:51,380 --> 00:35:54,140 they're the guy who shows up to your auction and does stars and 717 00:35:54,140 --> 00:35:57,420 scrubs, but instead of buying Justin Jefferson and Christian 718 00:35:57,420 --> 00:36:02,020 McCaffrey, he buys Naji Harris and Devonte Adams. 719 00:36:02,020 --> 00:36:04,700 And Devonte Adams like, suffers like an old guy knee injury. 720 00:36:04,700 --> 00:36:06,860 You know it's. Like the best analogy I've ever. 721 00:36:07,100 --> 00:36:08,940 I mean, Cooper Cup was sitting right there for you. 722 00:36:09,380 --> 00:36:10,660 Yeah, I guess. I guess that's right. 723 00:36:10,740 --> 00:36:13,420 He's the guy. He's the guy who shows up to 724 00:36:13,420 --> 00:36:16,100 your to your auction draft and spends half his budget on Cooper 725 00:36:16,100 --> 00:36:18,180 Cup and Jonathan Taylor. Like that is literally what? 726 00:36:18,500 --> 00:36:20,660 That's literally, that's literally what the Rams are. 727 00:36:21,820 --> 00:36:24,940 And so I I think you're right. I think they probably are too 728 00:36:24,940 --> 00:36:26,740 good. But the point being is it got 729 00:36:26,820 --> 00:36:31,460 people on the doom. The Doom thought of, they just 730 00:36:31,460 --> 00:36:34,220 set him out. He comes back, the Rams 731 00:36:34,220 --> 00:36:36,620 absolutely stink. He feels a twinge. 732 00:36:37,050 --> 00:36:40,130 And it's like, it's like the season that Devonta Adams got 733 00:36:40,130 --> 00:36:42,410 turf toe. I think he missed nine games or 734 00:36:42,410 --> 00:36:43,930 eight games the year he got turf toe. 735 00:36:43,930 --> 00:36:47,090 And the Packers were awful that year and they and it just kind 736 00:36:47,090 --> 00:36:50,970 of it just didn't work out. Like it's totally in the range. 737 00:36:50,970 --> 00:36:53,890 It is completely in the range of outcomes. 738 00:36:54,210 --> 00:36:55,650 They get the number one. I don't know. 739 00:36:55,890 --> 00:36:59,360 It strikes me as. Is very unlikely just because. 740 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,160 Like, not that, not that they're that bad, but that they're bad 741 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,520 enough that there's just, like, why are we even playing Cooper 742 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:05,600 Cup? Like, what's the point? 743 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:06,920 Yeah, OK. OK. 744 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,040 Sure. I'm with you there. 745 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,360 I'm with you there. Yeah, that seems possible. 746 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,600 So just to nail down where you guys would take him, let's let's 747 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,320 talk main event, manage leagues. We're in that season now. 748 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,280 You're in the clock. Say say pick 60 and Devonte 749 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:20,960 Adams. All those wide receivers are 750 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,470 gone and you have the choice between him and Mark Andrews at 751 00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:26,990 Pic. Like Andrews, Andrews, Andrews. 752 00:37:27,030 --> 00:37:29,710 Not like without without a thought. 753 00:37:29,950 --> 00:37:32,950 Like clicking it so fast. Yeah that and sent page. 754 00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:36,390 Yeah, Andrews. OK, what about then? 755 00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:39,350 Him versus Waddle? Olave, Devonta Smith, Calvin 756 00:37:39,350 --> 00:37:42,630 Ridley, those guys. I'm taking, I'm taking Waddle, 757 00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:45,350 but I'm taking, I'm taking him over. 758 00:37:45,390 --> 00:37:48,710 Alave T Higgins, Calvin Ridley, all those guys, I think. 759 00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:52,630 Yeah, I think. I think I'm with Davis there. 760 00:37:53,730 --> 00:37:56,370 I I would say in a home league like the. 761 00:37:56,370 --> 00:38:01,770 Thing with with the home league if you're I do want to think 762 00:38:01,770 --> 00:38:07,450 through like what can I not get later in a in a big way and the 763 00:38:07,810 --> 00:38:10,290 the idea of like I'm going to beat these guys like in a 764 00:38:10,290 --> 00:38:14,770 million different ways throughout this draft So what so 765 00:38:14,770 --> 00:38:18,770 cup I probably I probably would take cup over waddle in a home 766 00:38:18,770 --> 00:38:21,730 league just with the idea of like if he's if he's. 767 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,040 Out the whole year I can still win this league and if he's cup 768 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,120 I've already won the league. It and it depends like obviously 769 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,440 on your your bench spots and you're starting lineup. 770 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,160 Like when people say home league, they normally mean one 771 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,480 quarterback, 2 running backs, 2 wide receiver, one tight end, 772 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,760 one flex kicker, defense. But like my home league, we're 773 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,620 all. Virgin so we have three. 774 00:38:42,660 --> 00:38:48,380 We have 3 flexes and deep benches so like I I I mean he 775 00:38:48,380 --> 00:38:49,700 was a key was captain my home league. 776 00:38:49,700 --> 00:38:52,540 We do one keeper, but like I would probably. 777 00:38:53,980 --> 00:38:56,620 Probably not. I would have taken Waddle over 778 00:38:56,620 --> 00:38:59,740 him in that in that setting. Yeah that's fair because in the 779 00:38:59,860 --> 00:39:03,420 in the shallow home leagues like you can I I in a home league, 780 00:39:03,420 --> 00:39:06,100 once I took McCaffrey first overall the year he was out the 781 00:39:06,100 --> 00:39:07,500 whole season I still won the league. 782 00:39:07,500 --> 00:39:10,660 Like in those shallow leagues you can really recover from one 783 00:39:10,660 --> 00:39:12,460 of your top 2 picks completely busting. 784 00:39:12,460 --> 00:39:14,460 So I'm just kind of going all upside. 785 00:39:14,460 --> 00:39:17,260 But yeah in in like the sharper home leagues, more starting 786 00:39:17,260 --> 00:39:19,820 spots. I think Cop starts to get 787 00:39:19,820 --> 00:39:23,700 trickier because he's already, they're already saying he's 788 00:39:23,700 --> 00:39:26,780 gonna miss week one. It just seems like a very, very 789 00:39:26,780 --> 00:39:30,420 risky pick at this point. So if you are in leagues that 790 00:39:30,420 --> 00:39:33,460 reward that you know, then then make that selection. 791 00:39:33,460 --> 00:39:35,900 If you're leagues, I could see you just win, yeah. 792 00:39:36,300 --> 00:39:39,260 Oh, lava ahead of him in in that type of setting. 793 00:39:39,780 --> 00:39:42,700 But yeah, the the. Better payoff, you know? 794 00:39:43,300 --> 00:39:45,660 Sure, Ridley. Even Ridley, because Ridley's 795 00:39:45,660 --> 00:39:49,060 also high upside. But he's not injured, right? 796 00:39:49,100 --> 00:39:50,900 I mean. I'm not taking Ridley over Cup. 797 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,240 No, but yeah, I probably wouldn't either. 798 00:39:54,240 --> 00:39:57,280 But I could see, like, I wouldn't think if one of my 799 00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,080 buddies is like, I'm in a deep league. 800 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,840 Whatever, I'm considering this. I'm scared about the cop injury. 801 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,840 I wouldn't say you're an idiot for doing it. 802 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:06,080 I probably wouldn't do it though. 803 00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:08,560 I wouldn't say that either. I get it. 804 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,400 I wouldn't do it. The better home league pick is 805 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,480 Jonathan Taylor because generally running backs are 806 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:18,100 overpriced in. Home leagues and the waiver is 807 00:40:18,100 --> 00:40:19,580 going to be thinner at running back. 808 00:40:19,580 --> 00:40:21,820 Like people are going to read their you know they're going to 809 00:40:21,820 --> 00:40:25,540 read daggles for for waiver wire column and know which running 810 00:40:25,540 --> 00:40:29,220 backs to bid on. Whereas wide receiver is just 811 00:40:29,220 --> 00:40:31,620 like you're just not making up Cooper Cups points. 812 00:40:31,620 --> 00:40:34,340 You know, like you could like, you can take Jonathan Taylor and 813 00:40:34,340 --> 00:40:38,460 like you could start Deon Jackson week one, you could 814 00:40:38,460 --> 00:40:41,660 start where he most or Week 1 or whatever, and Frankenstein or be 815 00:40:41,660 --> 00:40:43,680 it a little bit. Cuz cuz. 816 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,640 But Johnson Taylor. If Johnson Taylor comes back in 817 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:51,240 Week 5 for the Colts or for whatever team he gets traded to 818 00:40:51,240 --> 00:40:54,160 because running back X suffered a season ending knee injury and 819 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,120 a team ponyed up a second round pick for him. 820 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,320 I mean and his cost is lower too. 821 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,240 Like at this like. So in my home league Jonathan 822 00:41:03,240 --> 00:41:07,080 Taylor lasted all the way to the seventh round and I took him. 823 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,300 Now the. It's a weird format. 824 00:41:10,300 --> 00:41:12,420 My team sucked last year. I traded for a bunch of future 825 00:41:12,420 --> 00:41:14,940 picks like it was the most obvious selection ever for me. 826 00:41:15,220 --> 00:41:17,420 But I do think when you're getting into the range of like 827 00:41:18,540 --> 00:41:23,060 17 games at Cam Acres or Rashad White or 10 games at Jonathan 828 00:41:23,060 --> 00:41:25,260 Taylor, I mean, I think I do probably. 829 00:41:25,260 --> 00:41:29,300 It's just a matter of I do think the the true 17 games sit out is 830 00:41:30,060 --> 00:41:32,980 totally. Like, I'm not taking Jonathan 831 00:41:32,980 --> 00:41:34,580 Taylor in basketball. I am not. 832 00:41:34,580 --> 00:41:39,020 I am, Yeah, not taking him. I my last 10 or 15 on underdog 833 00:41:39,020 --> 00:41:41,180 or DraftKings. I didn't take him a single time. 834 00:41:41,460 --> 00:41:45,300 I only turned out and took him in a in a Rottweiler it was. 835 00:41:45,380 --> 00:41:47,460 A real I don't know what's going on, though. 836 00:41:47,540 --> 00:41:49,620 The Internet here is even worse than in New York. 837 00:41:49,620 --> 00:41:53,820 I've timed out so many times, like every single draft I did 838 00:41:53,820 --> 00:41:56,860 before, like my last two, but like probably 5 drafts in a row. 839 00:41:56,860 --> 00:41:59,340 I timed out at least one pick and one of them was on Jonathan 840 00:41:59,340 --> 00:42:02,550 Taylor. One of them was on Aaron 841 00:42:02,550 --> 00:42:04,350 Rodgers. When I had a Russell Wilson 842 00:42:04,350 --> 00:42:08,070 stack set up, it was, yeah, there's been some rough time 843 00:42:08,070 --> 00:42:09,430 outs. I've been seeing a lot of sharp 844 00:42:09,430 --> 00:42:12,430 drafters post that Aaron Rodgers, Al and Lazard stack 845 00:42:12,430 --> 00:42:14,150 though, so I think that's. Enough. 846 00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:15,630 Yeah. There's a lot of sharp guys out 847 00:42:15,630 --> 00:42:15,790 there. A. 848 00:42:15,790 --> 00:42:18,950 Lot of sharp guys. Let's go back to Taylor. 849 00:42:19,630 --> 00:42:21,670 Let's have the best full conversation on him first, cuz. 850 00:42:22,130 --> 00:42:25,370 To me, it's absolutely insane. His ADP is still 42. 851 00:42:26,050 --> 00:42:28,690 It's He's unpickable. He's unpickable. 852 00:42:28,850 --> 00:42:30,970 It's awesome though. Isn't it awesome, like for guys 853 00:42:30,970 --> 00:42:33,890 who were taking John Taylor that he never got super cheap? 854 00:42:33,890 --> 00:42:36,850 Yeah, he hasn't even. Like come around all the way of 855 00:42:36,850 --> 00:42:38,890 the board, like it's, it doesn't make any sense. 856 00:42:39,090 --> 00:42:43,970 He's priced to me like, OK, what if you just said Taylor is 100% 857 00:42:43,970 --> 00:42:46,490 healthy there? He has no issue with the team. 858 00:42:46,490 --> 00:42:49,210 He's gonna play. He's just suspended for four 859 00:42:49,210 --> 00:42:53,290 games for PDS or something. I think that's basically what 860 00:42:53,290 --> 00:42:56,250 this price reflects the the price is reflecting like a 861 00:42:56,250 --> 00:42:58,570 four-game suspension. No other questions. 862 00:42:58,570 --> 00:43:00,890 He's gonna play. That's like not what the 863 00:43:00,930 --> 00:43:03,970 situation, that's what his current price would that he's 864 00:43:04,010 --> 00:43:05,770 priced efficiently for that situation. 865 00:43:06,290 --> 00:43:07,690 Exactly. He's priced sufficiently for 866 00:43:07,690 --> 00:43:09,490 that. But there's way more uncertainty 867 00:43:09,490 --> 00:43:11,850 than that in my mind. So I think, like, I don't know, 868 00:43:11,850 --> 00:43:15,250 you might not play all season. Yeah, they asked for Jalen 869 00:43:15,250 --> 00:43:18,330 Waddle in the trade. Like the odds of him being 870 00:43:18,330 --> 00:43:22,670 traded, we should view is like maybe like really low cuz they. 871 00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:25,110 Cuz they're now OK, I got. I got another question. 872 00:43:25,110 --> 00:43:29,070 Petulant press conference too. Did did Andrew Luck have a good 873 00:43:29,070 --> 00:43:32,030 running back like he was like this guy's? 874 00:43:32,510 --> 00:43:35,230 I don't think this guy's pulling off any kind of trade talks, 875 00:43:35,230 --> 00:43:37,230 man. He's not. 876 00:43:37,230 --> 00:43:40,470 He's not a negotiator. OK, so the Colts open up the 877 00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:46,110 year home to the Jaguars Rd. Texans, Rd. 878 00:43:46,110 --> 00:43:47,930 Ravens. Home to the Rams. 879 00:43:47,930 --> 00:43:49,690 You know what? They actually might have two of 880 00:43:49,690 --> 00:43:51,090 their winnable games to start the year. 881 00:43:51,090 --> 00:43:53,970 I was going to say what happens if I think if they start the 882 00:43:53,970 --> 00:43:57,130 year Owen for without him, the chances of him either getting 883 00:43:57,130 --> 00:44:00,050 traded because it doesn't matter or getting the contract 884 00:44:00,050 --> 00:44:02,970 extension or more likely. But I I'm seeing now that they 885 00:44:02,970 --> 00:44:06,490 play the Texans and the Rams. So there actually is a chance of 886 00:44:06,490 --> 00:44:09,650 them being two and two when the pop is up and that actually 887 00:44:09,650 --> 00:44:12,330 changes how I feel a little bit. That to me, that makes it less 888 00:44:12,330 --> 00:44:16,250 likely that he is traded. Or that he receives a new 889 00:44:16,250 --> 00:44:20,450 contract at that point? Yeah, my my like and maybe this 890 00:44:20,450 --> 00:44:23,570 is the wrong, it's hard to say, like this is the median outcome 891 00:44:23,570 --> 00:44:24,850 for Taylor, cuz it's so uncertain. 892 00:44:24,850 --> 00:44:27,610 But my sense is like, he obviously wants to accrue a 893 00:44:27,610 --> 00:44:29,930 season. He has to get six games to 894 00:44:29,930 --> 00:44:32,450 accrue a season. These four games on the PUP 895 00:44:32,490 --> 00:44:36,370 actually count towards that six games that he needs to accrue as 896 00:44:36,370 --> 00:44:38,610 long as he's activated, yeah. Exactly. 897 00:44:38,610 --> 00:44:42,570 So if if he is on the pup for these four, I think what he's 898 00:44:42,570 --> 00:44:45,840 gonna do is. Like get healthy enough or be 899 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,240 pretend he's healthy enough. Probably in like be enough. 900 00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,920 Honestly, he's gonna, I think, I think he's gonna play in like 901 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:55,400 two or three games and then go back to the, oh, my ankles hurt, 902 00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,560 I'm too injured to play. He can do that. 903 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,640 Like he had an ankle surgery. He has, like, enough plausible, 904 00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,200 you know, deniability. He can say that back or 905 00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:05,640 something. Yeah, he can do whatever he 906 00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:07,280 wants. I think that's what's gonna 907 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:08,920 happen. He's gonna play a couple games 908 00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:10,920 like. Probably not full workhorse or 909 00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,040 nothing, Taylor. And then as if he doesn't get a 910 00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,040 new contract, he's gonna say fuck you guys, my ankle hurts 911 00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:16,720 again and I just accrued a season. 912 00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:19,200 So let's go do this again next offseason. 913 00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:20,600 That's what I think's gonna happen. 914 00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:24,240 I think you're right. I think my read on it now is 915 00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:28,280 that basically they were they were like basically like piped 916 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:32,600 down like we'll we'll talk about a contract after the season. 917 00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,720 Like, yeah, play play out your deal. 918 00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:37,880 You know you're running back. We're not. 919 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,440 We're not gonna. And he was, he kind of forced 920 00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:47,320 the issue and they took an extremely ridiculous stance with 921 00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:51,870 the rest of the league that they wanted you know $10.00 on the 922 00:45:51,870 --> 00:45:55,870 dollar basically and and kind of did what we thought there was 923 00:45:55,870 --> 00:45:58,830 some speculation rate when the trade request rate when, you 924 00:45:58,830 --> 00:46:00,870 know they said they were allowing him to seek a trade. 925 00:46:01,150 --> 00:46:05,030 Some of the initial speculation was like, this is all BS they're 926 00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:08,590 they're not actually going to accept anything reasonable. 927 00:46:09,150 --> 00:46:13,230 And I think that was ultimately exactly right that they they 928 00:46:13,230 --> 00:46:16,070 were never serious about him getting traded. 929 00:46:16,070 --> 00:46:17,780 They were. They were like, yeah, if someone 930 00:46:17,780 --> 00:46:20,500 wants to pay us something outrageous and we'll certainly 931 00:46:20,500 --> 00:46:22,020 ask for things that are outrageous. 932 00:46:23,100 --> 00:46:26,300 But yeah, they're basically like they're they're kind of just 933 00:46:26,300 --> 00:46:28,380 playing hardball with him. And I don't know. 934 00:46:28,380 --> 00:46:30,140 I don't trust they're. I think they're. 935 00:46:30,300 --> 00:46:32,460 I think they're playing this really stupidly, frankly. 936 00:46:32,940 --> 00:46:36,580 Like they have a they have a young team they could have 937 00:46:36,580 --> 00:46:39,300 gotten something of value for a running back who's asking for a 938 00:46:39,300 --> 00:46:41,300 new contract and they should have taken it. 939 00:46:41,900 --> 00:46:46,230 And the fact that they didn't just makes me, I I don't know. 940 00:46:46,230 --> 00:46:47,350 I think. I think this could go really 941 00:46:47,350 --> 00:46:48,310 badly. I think, yeah. 942 00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:50,790 He plays the fact that it's Jimmer, the fact that it's Jim 943 00:46:50,790 --> 00:46:53,350 Merse just means like we don't know shit like this is this 944 00:46:53,350 --> 00:46:57,390 guy's one of the most like like they traded a first round pick 945 00:46:57,390 --> 00:46:59,590 for Trent Richardson when Trent Richardson like looked like 946 00:46:59,590 --> 00:47:02,110 shit, you know, like yeah they'll it just well that was 947 00:47:02,150 --> 00:47:03,870 different guy that was that was Gregson. 948 00:47:04,670 --> 00:47:06,550 Yeah, IRSE might have been involved. 949 00:47:06,630 --> 00:47:08,830 I mean the other thing is. That it was involved. 950 00:47:09,190 --> 00:47:12,750 Other teams like other teams. I think this was reported that 951 00:47:12,790 --> 00:47:14,510 other teams for similarly the Dolphins. 952 00:47:15,170 --> 00:47:17,890 Like we're able to come to an understanding with Taylor that 953 00:47:17,890 --> 00:47:20,690 like if we trade for you, we'll agree to this sort of like 954 00:47:20,690 --> 00:47:22,530 contract. And I don't think the reporting 955 00:47:22,530 --> 00:47:25,370 was that Taylor was asking to like have the entire running 956 00:47:25,370 --> 00:47:27,450 back contract be flipped on. It's like I think he was just 957 00:47:27,450 --> 00:47:30,810 asking for, you know, top end money, but not like some 958 00:47:30,810 --> 00:47:34,050 ridiculous CMC level insane running back contract. 959 00:47:34,770 --> 00:47:36,810 I don't think it's that crazy that the you could argue that 960 00:47:36,810 --> 00:47:40,130 the Colts should just kind of acquiesce somewhat the Taylor's 961 00:47:40,130 --> 00:47:42,450 demands. I mean, I think not having. 962 00:47:42,940 --> 00:47:46,580 Yeah, either trade him or give him the reasonable contract that 963 00:47:46,580 --> 00:47:48,860 he wants. You're you're now putting 964 00:47:48,860 --> 00:47:51,060 Anthony Richardson like a quarterback who already has a 965 00:47:51,060 --> 00:47:56,060 ton of questions out on the field with no running threats 966 00:47:56,300 --> 00:47:59,500 aside him in the backfield like that could be bad for his 967 00:47:59,500 --> 00:48:02,540 longterm development to defense is just gonna be able to cue on 968 00:48:02,660 --> 00:48:06,540 cue in on him even more now with Dion Jackson the backfield. 969 00:48:06,540 --> 00:48:07,810 So. I don't know. 970 00:48:07,810 --> 00:48:09,650 I think that really just butchered this whole thing. 971 00:48:09,650 --> 00:48:11,770 Either should have traded him or come to an agreement. 972 00:48:11,770 --> 00:48:14,810 I don't think he was asking for like an insane contract. 973 00:48:15,250 --> 00:48:17,650 They really just seemed like it's a great point about what 974 00:48:17,650 --> 00:48:19,730 he's asking for. Because because that makes me 975 00:48:19,730 --> 00:48:21,650 feel, actually makes me feel worse about this whole 976 00:48:21,650 --> 00:48:25,290 situation, that he wasn't asking for something outrageous because 977 00:48:25,290 --> 00:48:28,810 it's like 1 less thing that can change, right? 978 00:48:28,810 --> 00:48:31,730 If he was, if he was like in this position where he's asking 979 00:48:31,730 --> 00:48:35,960 for this huge deal and you know, then through this trade request 980 00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:39,480 it comes out that basically he's asking for too much and now 981 00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,400 Taylor might have to reconsider. That's like, OK, Taylor 982 00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,040 reconsiders and they come to an agreement. 983 00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:48,320 But the fact that he's not is just, it's all in the cults just 984 00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:52,000 like being Dicks. And it's like now I have to, I 985 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,040 have to count on the cults just magically decide to stop being 986 00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,640 Dicks at some point this year. And I don't, I don't know why 987 00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,900 they they would. I also, I mean, I wanted on the 988 00:49:01,900 --> 00:49:07,900 record Le'veon Bell, his ADP August 31st, 2018, was the 2nd 989 00:49:07,980 --> 00:49:09,740 overall pick in fantasy football. 990 00:49:10,420 --> 00:49:12,460 Like, Yeah, people thought they knew. 991 00:49:12,500 --> 00:49:15,820 People thought like. I took him in in one of the I 992 00:49:15,820 --> 00:49:18,740 was like, traveling or something that summer, and I was very 993 00:49:18,740 --> 00:49:21,500 tuned out from fantasy football. One of the few summers where I 994 00:49:21,500 --> 00:49:23,460 wasn't paying attention, I just went into a draft. 995 00:49:23,500 --> 00:49:25,900 I was the idiot that just took le'veon Bell second overall. 996 00:49:25,900 --> 00:49:28,860 And then I started Googling him after like I saw the blurbs and 997 00:49:28,860 --> 00:49:31,480 I'm like. Wait, he's he's not on the team. 998 00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,120 Like, what did I do? You went stars and scrubs with 999 00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,400 Le'veon Bell. I would start. 1000 00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:38,960 I showed up to the auction. I thought I knew what I was 1001 00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,000 doing and took Le'veon Bell. I ended up, I remember I had to 1002 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,600 ship him off like mid season or no. 1003 00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,160 I think I shipped him off before week one for a package of like 1004 00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,880 Lamar Miller and Daniel Jones. Like it was so sad. 1005 00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:52,880 So I'm called that dude you you get that's sure. 1006 00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:53,880 Yeah, sure. Yeah. 1007 00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,680 Anyways, we're in a draft now. We we stuck into this thing with 1008 00:49:57,240 --> 00:49:59,890 only one other badge, I think. We're taking McCaffrey here, 1009 00:49:59,890 --> 00:50:01,930 right, guys? Yeah, yeah. 1010 00:50:02,450 --> 00:50:06,410 OK. I actually, I think I had my 1011 00:50:06,410 --> 00:50:10,850 last draft, my 1:50. I got Chase at 3:00, which yeah, 1012 00:50:10,850 --> 00:50:14,370 mine too. I wanted to do cuz I didn't. 1013 00:50:14,370 --> 00:50:17,930 I realized I'd never done the Tyree Kill Mark Andrews, Lamar 1014 00:50:17,930 --> 00:50:21,290 Jackson start and I got a three in my last draft and I was like 1015 00:50:22,010 --> 00:50:23,970 beautiful. And then Tyree went right 1016 00:50:23,970 --> 00:50:25,730 before, so I got a chase start instead. 1017 00:50:27,910 --> 00:50:29,750 Beautiful. So the way I've been I guess 1018 00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:31,230 like let's talk a little strategy here. 1019 00:50:31,230 --> 00:50:33,350 We're kind of just doing this without without talking at all. 1020 00:50:33,350 --> 00:50:35,630 We'll figure it out. I've the way I've been playing 1021 00:50:35,910 --> 00:50:39,630 the last couple of BBM drafts is I've been going with a lot of 1022 00:50:39,710 --> 00:50:45,230 hero RV or like 0 RV drafts to take advantage of sort of the 1023 00:50:45,270 --> 00:50:47,390 undrafted RV twos at the end of drafts. 1024 00:50:47,910 --> 00:50:50,350 Lock ups for my wide receivers, lock up and elite tight end 1025 00:50:50,350 --> 00:50:51,990 maybe an elite quarterback early on. 1026 00:50:51,990 --> 00:50:53,870 Are you guys? We'll see what comes to us 1027 00:50:53,870 --> 00:50:55,390 obviously. But are you kind of on? 1028 00:50:55,750 --> 00:50:57,550 On board with that general approach, trying to play this 1029 00:50:57,590 --> 00:51:05,550 through an anchor after build. Yeah, I mean I still would take 1030 00:51:05,550 --> 00:51:09,070 maybe take breeze at the 4.3 depending on how it works, but 1031 00:51:09,070 --> 00:51:10,110 yes. OK. 1032 00:51:10,750 --> 00:51:14,390 That 3-4 turn man is just the two three turn. 1033 00:51:14,390 --> 00:51:18,750 The 3-4 turn and the 4-5 turn are just they're just miserable, 1034 00:51:18,750 --> 00:51:21,900 miserable places to draft. I'm just gonna put a couple guys 1035 00:51:21,900 --> 00:51:25,060 in the queue that we wanna have our eyes on later. 1036 00:51:27,900 --> 00:51:30,620 Let me know if you disagree with any of these guys. 1037 00:51:31,140 --> 00:51:34,820 I can't fucking believe you drafted Alan Lazzard on ironic. 1038 00:51:34,820 --> 00:51:36,780 It's really cute. Gosh. 1039 00:51:39,020 --> 00:51:39,740 OK. OK. 1040 00:51:39,780 --> 00:51:43,180 This is the position I was in. You know, I had Garrett Wilson, 1041 00:51:43,180 --> 00:51:46,460 3 picks fast ADP value. It comes around me on the turn. 1042 00:51:48,330 --> 00:51:52,770 Rogers and Alan Lazard are both staring at me and what did I do? 1043 00:51:52,770 --> 00:51:55,850 I I said, hey, if I take Lazard here, I'll be able to push 1044 00:51:55,850 --> 00:51:59,130 Rogers around the turn, get him at a huge value. 1045 00:51:59,570 --> 00:52:01,330 That's what I did. I don't know why you guys are so 1046 00:52:01,330 --> 00:52:05,490 upset about that building. I have a I have a Pieces team 1047 00:52:05,490 --> 00:52:07,810 and I honestly wish you'd been sniped on Rogers. 1048 00:52:07,850 --> 00:52:12,250 I really wish you had to come back to us and explain why this 1049 00:52:12,250 --> 00:52:15,330 team has Al Lazard and Garrett Wilson and not Rogers. 1050 00:52:16,980 --> 00:52:22,260 Man and fucking Zeke, dude. It's like. 30 picks fast you 1051 00:52:22,260 --> 00:52:25,340 gotta take, you gotta take 30 picks 80 No, I actually think 1052 00:52:25,380 --> 00:52:26,820 it's fine. I think it was fine. 1053 00:52:26,820 --> 00:52:30,180 Zeke was fine. I don't know. 1054 00:52:30,220 --> 00:52:32,540 I guess I was just hating earlier on the show of like 1055 00:52:32,540 --> 00:52:35,380 taking these gross RV twos and you could take the undrafted 1056 00:52:35,380 --> 00:52:37,660 guys, but this was in a Rottweiler. 1057 00:52:37,660 --> 00:52:39,780 This was not a BBM where I did this like. 1058 00:52:40,550 --> 00:52:44,990 I want one Zeke share to hedge my full I have actually like 0 1059 00:52:44,990 --> 00:52:52,470 Zeke up until that point. So seems seems all right Davis 1060 00:52:52,470 --> 00:52:54,150 is still best Davis. Davis is never. 1061 00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:56,790 I mean you get like what, 176 or? 1062 00:52:56,790 --> 00:53:00,430 Something I'm I am at this stage of the season, I'm ideologically 1063 00:53:00,430 --> 00:53:03,390 drafting. So yeah, I'm pissed. 1064 00:53:05,930 --> 00:53:08,690 If you guys want to recant your shares in this team, you're 1065 00:53:09,250 --> 00:53:12,170 fully I thought. I thought about it, I thought 1066 00:53:12,170 --> 00:53:15,930 about it, but no, I don't. Okay. 1067 00:53:15,930 --> 00:53:19,450 So coming up to us here, we're gonna get a chance at one of the 1068 00:53:19,450 --> 00:53:24,970 Smith Ridley T guys. Let's see what this drafter 1069 00:53:24,970 --> 00:53:27,410 does. I assume we're taking one of the 1070 00:53:27,410 --> 00:53:29,490 wide receivers here, unless someone wants to argue for 1071 00:53:29,490 --> 00:53:31,890 Andrews, I guess. What do you guys think? 1072 00:53:32,410 --> 00:53:35,770 No, cuz it's this version of the team is worse than the Justin 1073 00:53:35,770 --> 00:53:37,970 Jefferson, Mark Andrews from our Jackson teams. 1074 00:53:39,650 --> 00:53:42,010 Yeah, in my opinion. Ohh well we don't have that 1075 00:53:42,010 --> 00:53:43,530 choice. So I this is where I'd be. 1076 00:53:43,610 --> 00:53:46,930 I'm either Devonta to try to get Hertz or we play do Calvin 1077 00:53:46,930 --> 00:53:47,690 Ridley. What do you guys? 1078 00:53:47,690 --> 00:53:51,050 Say correct Devonta. I almost always go devonta to go 1079 00:53:51,570 --> 00:53:52,850 with. Hertz Yeah, let's let's go. 1080 00:53:52,890 --> 00:53:57,050 For the and then it and then you and then you tilt when the the 1081 00:53:57,050 --> 00:53:59,250 team that should not take deal nerds. 1082 00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,640 It takes jail, yeah. It works about 40% of the time, 1083 00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:04,440 yeah. This this Cameron guy is gonna 1084 00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,480 take Mahomes and then Hertz. I can already. 1085 00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:10,600 I can already see it coming. I saw an Allen Burrough in the 1086 00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,600 last draft and I had I had Jamar, Chase and Teague. 1087 00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:19,400 Someone went Allen Burrough. The only thing is like, you're 1088 00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,960 gonna be checking your leagues in like Week 13 and you're gonna 1089 00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:26,800 see a team that took Hertz and Mahomes. 1090 00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:28,960 They have the same bye week too. You're gonna see a team. 1091 00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,400 In your league, that took those two guys and is like crushing 1092 00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,280 you and advancing out of the pod and it's fine. 1093 00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,400 Yeah, that's fine. This shit is so stupid. 1094 00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,360 Why do we play this game? But then they take. 1095 00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:42,000 But then they take Ryan Tannehill in around 18 to tie 1096 00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:43,560 the room together. You can't even take Jimmy 1097 00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:45,400 Garoppolo cuz he also has a Week 13 by. 1098 00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:51,680 So we'll see what you know that it's been a long summer. 1099 00:54:54,070 --> 00:54:56,990 I did. I did the full Week 17. 1100 00:54:56,990 --> 00:54:59,630 My my home, my home league draft was this weekend. 1101 00:54:59,630 --> 00:55:04,070 We always go back to Kansas City and do all of our stuff and we 1102 00:55:04,070 --> 00:55:07,830 take tea. Yeah, if this guy takes tea, I'd 1103 00:55:08,630 --> 00:55:12,750 probably be. I don't know, Jacobs. 1104 00:55:12,870 --> 00:55:15,470 I can see arguments. For Jacobs Allen, I would take 1105 00:55:15,470 --> 00:55:20,310 Debo. I'm, I'm Metcalf over over Debo. 1106 00:55:21,290 --> 00:55:23,250 Have fun staying, Have fun staying poor. 1107 00:55:23,330 --> 00:55:26,610 I I've been, I've been, I've been so jsn pilled. 1108 00:55:26,610 --> 00:55:29,930 I was like so ambivalent on jsn I've been full of jsn pilled. 1109 00:55:31,370 --> 00:55:35,290 Wait, you told me have fun staying poor when I didn't have 1110 00:55:35,290 --> 00:55:37,010 Metcalf. Now it's have fun staying poor 1111 00:55:37,010 --> 00:55:38,530 when you do. OK, it's called. 1112 00:55:38,530 --> 00:55:40,090 It's called being. My boat here is actually 1113 00:55:40,090 --> 00:55:41,610 probably Josh. It's Josh Allen. 1114 00:55:41,730 --> 00:55:44,850 Let's do, I'll probably take Allen here and try to set up 1115 00:55:44,850 --> 00:55:46,610 some bills backdoor. So that's doing a thing, yeah. 1116 00:55:46,930 --> 00:55:48,130 I like it. Well, we can get we can get 1117 00:55:48,130 --> 00:55:49,570 Deonce Hardy. Yeah. 1118 00:55:50,260 --> 00:55:52,420 You can get Knox. Knox is still free. 1119 00:55:52,660 --> 00:55:56,860 I like Knoxitan Party's free. Hang on, I just. 1120 00:55:57,380 --> 00:56:00,580 I just love the idea of going around calling people and 1121 00:56:00,620 --> 00:56:03,900 selling people. Have fun staying poor with no 1122 00:56:03,940 --> 00:56:08,900 ideological consistency. This is called being Bayesian. 1123 00:56:08,980 --> 00:56:12,100 That's. Strong, strong opinions, strong 1124 00:56:12,100 --> 00:56:13,860 opinions, Weakly held. Ever heard of it? 1125 00:56:16,100 --> 00:56:21,220 Oh man, I have strong opinions about your financial position, 1126 00:56:21,820 --> 00:56:25,820 but weekly help. I mean, I thought the Metcalf 1127 00:56:25,820 --> 00:56:30,780 thesis was good, but the Metcalf thesis implies that JSN is not 1128 00:56:31,900 --> 00:56:32,940 the guy you. Need. 1129 00:56:34,180 --> 00:56:35,780 I don't know about that, so this is. 1130 00:56:36,180 --> 00:56:42,140 I think the Metcalf thesis is just. 6 Four 240 pound wide 1131 00:56:42,140 --> 00:56:45,020 receiver scores 15 touchdowns, and that's not. 1132 00:56:45,020 --> 00:56:47,580 It's not 2015 anymore man, we've moved on. 1133 00:56:47,580 --> 00:56:51,620 Our wide receivers are five £880 and they they got the quick 1134 00:56:51,620 --> 00:56:53,340 twitch muscle. I don't know. 1135 00:56:53,420 --> 00:56:57,220 So like Metcalf though, that that was like his thing coming 1136 00:56:57,220 --> 00:56:58,580 out of college. Everyone's like, oh, he's kind 1137 00:56:58,580 --> 00:57:01,500 of A1 dimensional wide receiver. He's just big and fast, blah, 1138 00:57:01,500 --> 00:57:04,260 blah, blah. The wide receiver film Bros are 1139 00:57:04,260 --> 00:57:07,260 telling us that Metcalf can run a full route tree he's really 1140 00:57:07,260 --> 00:57:09,380 developed the past couple years. Like Harmon. 1141 00:57:09,780 --> 00:57:13,260 Those guys love what he can do. I think he actually just ran bad 1142 00:57:13,260 --> 00:57:15,540 on like really good opportunity last year. 1143 00:57:15,700 --> 00:57:17,820 I think like Hayden Smothers have pointed out, he really 1144 00:57:17,820 --> 00:57:21,980 underperformed in touchdowns. I don't buy that DK Metcalf he. 1145 00:57:22,100 --> 00:57:24,940 Led the league in end zone targets. 1146 00:57:24,940 --> 00:57:28,180 Yeah, he's fucking huge. Like, I think that's the thing. 1147 00:57:28,180 --> 00:57:30,620 Like, I get the Metcalf faders argument. 1148 00:57:30,620 --> 00:57:33,060 It's like you're paying a high price when JSN and Lockett are 1149 00:57:33,060 --> 00:57:33,700 still there. But. 1150 00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:37,400 Then he's not leaving the field in two wide receiver sets for 1151 00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:38,200 JSS. Damn it. 1152 00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:40,480 It totally makes sense. It totally makes sense that 1153 00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,120 you're Metcalf guy because DK Metcalf is the running back of 1154 00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:44,880 elite wide receivers like that is. 1155 00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:48,560 And I I didn't one of my friends made that point to me this year 1156 00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:51,440 because of course the guy who took Naji Harris and our league 1157 00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:55,960 drafted DK Metcalf, he's always like the physique drafter, the 1158 00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:58,760 not like whoever the deadest dead zone running back is. 1159 00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:00,480 This guy in our league always takes him. 1160 00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:03,840 And he had this giant. Part on for DK Metcalf and we 1161 00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:05,840 were like, yeah, you just like him because he is the running 1162 00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,880 back of wide receivers and it's so it's so accurate. 1163 00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:12,280 He really is. Obviously I like DK Metcalf, 1164 00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:14,920 he's awesome, but I have just been JSN filled. 1165 00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:18,360 Yeah, I think he's just been. He's been overpriced all summer. 1166 00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:22,320 But like, in the order of wide receivers, are you just saying 1167 00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:24,200 overpriced relative to other positions or other wide 1168 00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:25,960 receivers that you think should other wide receivers? 1169 00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:30,000 Yeah. I would take, I would take Debo 1170 00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,120 over him, but I think positionally he's ranked 1171 00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:34,320 appropriately. Debo is the running back of wide 1172 00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,040 receivers. If you guys are getting lit out, 1173 00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:37,920 yeah. Literally, yes. 1174 00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:41,200 Debo. Debo is in these formats where 1175 00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:47,280 all the money is concentrated at the top and having fine weekly 1176 00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,300 floors doesn't matter. Ibo is such a guy you want 1177 00:58:50,300 --> 00:58:52,860 because he could be the fantasy point over expectation. 1178 00:58:52,860 --> 00:58:54,940 God. I mean, he could lead fantasy 1179 00:58:54,940 --> 00:58:57,940 football and fantasy points over expectation and has done so 1180 00:58:57,940 --> 00:59:04,180 before. Yeah, yeah, I just Metcalf, I 1181 00:59:04,180 --> 00:59:07,540 don't think is like a true elite receiver. 1182 00:59:07,740 --> 00:59:11,340 I think he's a good receiver, but he's he's on a team that's 1183 00:59:11,340 --> 00:59:14,930 not gonna have a ton of passing attempts and just added a really 1184 00:59:14,930 --> 00:59:18,130 good receiver as a third receiver and Locket showed no 1185 00:59:18,130 --> 00:59:20,730 signs of falling off. So yeah, you could get there on 1186 00:59:20,730 --> 00:59:23,730 touchdowns, but like, that's my bet in the third round. 1187 00:59:24,930 --> 00:59:27,050 Yeah, so here, let's, let's go back to the conversation. 1188 00:59:27,050 --> 00:59:28,490 But here you guys get with Drake London. 1189 00:59:28,490 --> 00:59:30,290 He would be my for sure pick Here. 1190 00:59:30,330 --> 00:59:32,530 Yeah, like a lot. But OK. 1191 00:59:32,530 --> 00:59:35,330 Like Drake London. Like Drake London could have 30% 1192 00:59:35,330 --> 00:59:37,250 target share in a true breakout season. 1193 00:59:37,250 --> 00:59:40,050 Like. 30% target share, 84 targets. 1194 00:59:40,530 --> 00:59:42,450 Yeah, well that's that's actually the kind of the crazy 1195 00:59:42,450 --> 00:59:46,950 thing is that like they over the last four games with rhetoric 1196 00:59:46,950 --> 00:59:51,230 quarterback, they weren't like super, super run heavy. 1197 00:59:51,350 --> 00:59:53,630 Yeah, yeah. The bet Catholics saw, I mean he 1198 00:59:53,630 --> 00:59:58,150 saw 141 targets last year. Like that's a shit ton. 1199 00:59:58,470 --> 00:59:59,510 I don't know. I feel like people have this 1200 00:59:59,510 --> 01:00:01,350 misconception. Maybe it's CUZ the raw stats 1201 01:00:01,350 --> 01:00:05,960 don't look that good but. Out of JSN man. 1202 01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:08,120 I mean, I know, but you don't think the pass attempts are 1203 01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:10,560 gonna like they're gonna run way more free wide receiver sets. 1204 01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:13,000 I think this pass attempts are gonna spike massively in Seattle 1205 01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:14,600 like last year. They literally had to put up 1206 01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:17,640 like what D Eskridge and Marquis Goodwin to get free wide 1207 01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:19,560 receiver sets. They're not gonna turn into 1208 01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:21,160 some. Yeah, but don't you think Pete 1209 01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:22,960 Carroll just wants to? Don't you think he wants to just 1210 01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:26,000 own Russell Wilson and like lead the league in pass attempts just 1211 01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:27,920 to prove a point? That could be kind of funny bit, 1212 01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:29,280 though. No? 1213 01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:32,560 I think Pete Carroll wants to have a Pete Carroll team. 1214 01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:37,330 I think he wants to have a balanced team, like not there. 1215 01:00:38,130 --> 01:00:42,290 He showed a different gear last year, but I don't think they're 1216 01:00:42,290 --> 01:00:44,530 gonna go like. OK, yeah, let's talk through 1217 01:00:44,530 --> 01:00:46,970 this. I would probably be Kirk here, 1218 01:00:46,970 --> 01:00:51,050 unless you wanted. Kirk, Kirk or Walker went, Yeah, 1219 01:00:51,050 --> 01:00:54,570 Kirk. Kirk Underwater receivers. 1220 01:00:54,870 --> 01:00:57,550 Yeah, we're just taking. Dude, this dude fucking drives 1221 01:00:57,550 --> 01:00:59,630 Zeke. He drafts Lazard and then he 1222 01:00:59,630 --> 01:01:02,510 puts Nazi Harris on the queue. I mean, are you just doing bits? 1223 01:01:02,510 --> 01:01:04,350 Are you? Are you reverse ideological 1224 01:01:04,350 --> 01:01:07,910 drafting? I hope we can also no, I'm just 1225 01:01:07,910 --> 01:01:11,070 too late. Guys, nausea 51 isn't isn't 1226 01:01:11,070 --> 01:01:13,310 horrible. You've not taken nausea in the 1227 01:01:13,350 --> 01:01:16,790 fifth round. Because if Nazi is a bad pick at 1228 01:01:16,790 --> 01:01:21,950 40, the context doesn't change it he If nausea Harris or Cam 1229 01:01:21,950 --> 01:01:25,510 makers, it's the IT. They're they're bad. 1230 01:01:25,630 --> 01:01:28,030 They're bad. Was OK in the 5th, but 1231 01:01:28,790 --> 01:01:30,990 everything, all the information we got in this summer makes me 1232 01:01:30,990 --> 01:01:33,750 even squeamish there. Yeah, fair. 1233 01:01:34,190 --> 01:01:38,590 I mean, I would mostly take her. Like, I probably randomize that 1234 01:01:38,590 --> 01:01:41,990 selection and take nausei like, I think I have like 2% nausea 1235 01:01:41,990 --> 01:01:44,950 this year and it is in this spot me falls the 5th. 1236 01:01:45,590 --> 01:01:47,750 I get the nausea. I'm like super low in nausea. 1237 01:01:47,750 --> 01:01:50,510 Like had zero percent of him for a very long time. 1238 01:01:51,030 --> 01:01:53,490 I just think. At some point, like I'm just not 1239 01:01:53,490 --> 01:01:57,010 super ideological about going 0 percent on guys like I I'll get 1240 01:01:57,010 --> 01:02:00,610 to one 2% even on guys that I I absolutely hate. 1241 01:02:00,610 --> 01:02:02,050 So that that's where that's coming from. 1242 01:02:02,090 --> 01:02:04,650 But I get it. I like, I like going with Kirk 1243 01:02:04,650 --> 01:02:05,770 there. He's he's a good pick. 1244 01:02:07,170 --> 01:02:10,690 Yeah, Yeah, I think we screwed up that pick. 1245 01:02:10,690 --> 01:02:14,170 But I'll explain why later. It wasn't. 1246 01:02:14,250 --> 01:02:15,490 It wasn't cuz I wanted Naji. He. 1247 01:02:17,210 --> 01:02:19,290 Did want? Yeah, I can't maybe know where 1248 01:02:19,290 --> 01:02:22,750 you're going with that, but. We'll see. 1249 01:02:22,750 --> 01:02:23,910 Taylor's still on the board here. 1250 01:02:23,910 --> 01:02:26,630 This is actually in my Bbm's. Maybe it's just a small sample 1251 01:02:26,630 --> 01:02:29,750 for me, but I have been seeing him get scooped up at this 1252 01:02:29,750 --> 01:02:32,230 4180P. This is one of the farthest I've 1253 01:02:32,230 --> 01:02:35,710 seen him slide. I guess at some point would 1254 01:02:35,710 --> 01:02:39,310 maybe have to have the discussion with him at 75, maybe 1255 01:02:39,310 --> 01:02:42,350 70. I'm still a little squeamish 1256 01:02:42,350 --> 01:02:44,350 there to be honest, but I think you can at that. 1257 01:02:44,350 --> 01:02:46,230 That's the point where you can start to make the argument for 1258 01:02:46,230 --> 01:02:49,820 me 75. I pick 40 as ADP. 1259 01:02:49,820 --> 01:02:51,500 I'm like, so, so far out of that. 1260 01:02:51,820 --> 01:02:52,860 Yeah. I'm very out at that. 1261 01:02:53,140 --> 01:02:56,860 Yeah. Let's look at the drafters here. 1262 01:02:58,260 --> 01:03:02,500 The one other red badge in the room scoops up 3 running backs 1263 01:03:02,580 --> 01:03:06,940 early and Barkley, Pollard and Aaron Jones reaches on Addison. 1264 01:03:07,300 --> 01:03:09,660 And Aaron Jones. Aaron Jones feels like one of 1265 01:03:09,940 --> 01:03:13,180 the he just like I just it never occurs to me to take him really. 1266 01:03:14,460 --> 01:03:17,620 So here's that Aaron Jones means that's like, one of the worst 1267 01:03:17,620 --> 01:03:21,160 picks. Kenneth Walker's range is 1268 01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:23,200 Kenneth Walker's I Kenneth Walker. 1269 01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:26,200 I think we might look back on this season and be like, what 1270 01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:29,000 were we doing? Being afraid of Zach Charbonnay 1271 01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:33,120 for Kenneth Walker, like Kenneth Walker is like, so such a home 1272 01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:36,840 run hitter and. I mean, look, if he go, what do 1273 01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:39,280 you have like 9 targets all of last season or something? 1274 01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:41,040 Like guys can improve and get better. 1275 01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:43,400 Like if he got like kind of like Henry, actually, he was a 1276 01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:46,960 horrendous receiving prospect. Though was like, was Gabe Davis 1277 01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:49,160 the guy who you were thinking of, Pat? 1278 01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:51,360 Yeah, Gabe Davis. We should have taken Gabe Davis 1279 01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:52,120 over Kirk. That was. 1280 01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:55,040 No, we're gonna take, we're gonna take Kincaid and Hardy. 1281 01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:58,280 That's that's actually why I think reaching for Gabe Davis is 1282 01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:02,600 is sharp because otherwise you end up taking Kincaid who's like 1283 01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:06,190 the worst pick. On the on the I don't want to 1284 01:04:06,190 --> 01:04:09,350 force it's a it's a ridiculous price we're paying for Kincaid. 1285 01:04:09,990 --> 01:04:13,870 He's he's flipping Jokeu right now. 1286 01:04:13,870 --> 01:04:15,030 It's, it's. You gotta give up. 1287 01:04:15,110 --> 01:04:16,910 You gotta give up the ghost, Gretch. 1288 01:04:16,910 --> 01:04:20,470 Gretch actually wrote this great post the other day on Sub Stack 1289 01:04:20,470 --> 01:04:23,910 about like why we have to stop being afraid or stop like stop 1290 01:04:23,910 --> 01:04:25,670 being afraid of rookies just being stars. 1291 01:04:25,670 --> 01:04:28,110 And Reeves did. Reeves did a bunch of research 1292 01:04:28,110 --> 01:04:30,710 on rookie tight ends and basically found like per snap. 1293 01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:34,680 They were all just in line with with where they were drafted. 1294 01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:36,800 It's just some of them didn't get the snaps and. 1295 01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:40,080 Yeah, this. That's The thing is those guys, 1296 01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:41,840 those guys are just covering their asses. 1297 01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:46,160 I'm out here saying guy the, the steamy tight end who everyone 1298 01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:47,920 thinks is breaking out, I'm gonna fade him. 1299 01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:49,840 And if it's if it's hurting me, it's hurting me. 1300 01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:53,960 I I have, I have capitulated slightly and drafted him 1301 01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:57,360 occasionally, but he's not a good pick at this price. 1302 01:04:57,360 --> 01:04:58,910 He just isn't. Yeah. 1303 01:04:58,950 --> 01:05:01,030 So I think we should take pickets here pretty clearly. 1304 01:05:01,030 --> 01:05:03,670 Are you guys on board with that 10 picks ATP value? 1305 01:05:04,110 --> 01:05:08,270 Yeah, would have been nice to have a chance of JSN coming back 1306 01:05:08,270 --> 01:05:11,030 around, but that seems like the pick so. 1307 01:05:11,790 --> 01:05:14,270 We're setting up for a good Zeke correlation on this team too. 1308 01:05:14,750 --> 01:05:16,710 Yeah, a couple things I wanna talk through. 1309 01:05:16,710 --> 01:05:19,830 So on the Davis, the research you pointed out by Reeves where 1310 01:05:20,190 --> 01:05:22,190 this is something we talked about I think early in the 1311 01:05:22,190 --> 01:05:25,430 offseason where that rookie tight end and give credit to 1312 01:05:25,430 --> 01:05:26,950 Liam here, he's talked about this as well. 1313 01:05:27,270 --> 01:05:29,190 The rookie tight ends aren't good in fantasy. 1314 01:05:29,190 --> 01:05:32,790 Take the mechanism for how that happens is that there's a 1315 01:05:32,790 --> 01:05:36,070 veteran guy on the team that blocks the player from playing 1316 01:05:36,070 --> 01:05:38,670 snaps. Now in this year, you have to be 1317 01:05:38,670 --> 01:05:42,110 really careful for the rookie tight ends and looking at does 1318 01:05:42,110 --> 01:05:46,070 that player exist on the team and that's whether you should 1319 01:05:46,070 --> 01:05:48,230 decide or not whether to buy in that narrative. 1320 01:05:48,590 --> 01:05:50,390 And freaking Kate, it's really tough, right? 1321 01:05:50,390 --> 01:05:53,630 Because I think Dawson Knox pretty clearly blocks him from 1322 01:05:53,630 --> 01:05:56,810 playing in 11 personnel. Kincaid. 1323 01:05:56,810 --> 01:05:59,850 He had a good preseason, but he was getting absolutely blown up 1324 01:05:59,850 --> 01:06:02,450 in blocking reps against defensive lineman. 1325 01:06:02,450 --> 01:06:04,810 Like, I think Knox blocks him from that. 1326 01:06:04,810 --> 01:06:08,690 So the question is, how much of this, like 11.5 personnel do the 1327 01:06:08,690 --> 01:06:11,290 Bills play with both Knox and Kincaid on the field the same 1328 01:06:11,290 --> 01:06:13,050 time? If you think that's their base 1329 01:06:13,050 --> 01:06:15,570 offense are gonna play that a ton, I think Kincaid can. 1330 01:06:15,610 --> 01:06:17,970 Well, one of the Adp's has to be wrong. 1331 01:06:18,170 --> 01:06:21,450 Either Kincaid's or Hardy's has to be Hardy's is wrong. 1332 01:06:21,930 --> 01:06:25,040 Hardy is. I think Hardy is is a Hardy. 1333 01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:27,680 I actually. I'm actually looking at his 1334 01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:30,560 Wikipedia page right now. He is way better than I 1335 01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:31,680 remembered. He played Hardy's. 1336 01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:34,640 Hardy's good, He's good. He's super fast. 1337 01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:38,680 So let's let's let's talk through this guys quickly. 1338 01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:43,880 I do think if we're going with the More Heroes 0 RB getting OK 1339 01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:47,600 that I would be Goddard here cuz we have to fonta kind of like. 1340 01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:49,320 Betting I would actually. I would actually take. 1341 01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:51,400 I would take Kyle Pitts if this was my team. 1342 01:06:52,810 --> 01:06:53,930 I'm fine with. I'm fine with Goddard. 1343 01:06:53,930 --> 01:06:55,570 I don't mind doing the Eagles thing. 1344 01:06:56,130 --> 01:06:58,810 OK. I think that I'd be on Goddard 1345 01:06:58,810 --> 01:07:01,410 here too, so. Tits gives us the Round 18 1346 01:07:01,410 --> 01:07:03,330 quarterback stack so we don't have to fuck with it. 1347 01:07:04,260 --> 01:07:08,140 I just this was a way for us to not have to take Dalton Kincaid 1348 01:07:08,140 --> 01:07:09,660 by sneaking this Dallas Goddard well. 1349 01:07:09,940 --> 01:07:12,940 Yeah, no, we still, we still need, we still need to take 1350 01:07:12,940 --> 01:07:14,140 Kincaid. What we're gonna have, we're 1351 01:07:14,340 --> 01:07:16,180 gonna, well, it's a it's actually, the way I look at it 1352 01:07:16,500 --> 01:07:20,580 is we can take Kincaid now and have him do what he's gonna do, 1353 01:07:20,580 --> 01:07:24,820 which is very little for most of the year, and then score some 1354 01:07:24,820 --> 01:07:27,380 touchdowns in the playoffs, which is how Liam's gonna get 1355 01:07:27,380 --> 01:07:30,580 there and shove it down my throat on this stupid fucking 1356 01:07:30,580 --> 01:07:35,610 take. Yeah, I do think it's 1357 01:07:35,610 --> 01:07:37,850 interesting. Like the Josh Allen drafter 1358 01:07:37,850 --> 01:07:40,290 again, I'm not one of these people that thinks focusing on 1359 01:07:40,290 --> 01:07:44,370 uniqueness matters that much in these things, but I do think 1360 01:07:44,890 --> 01:07:48,410 just betting on the Eagles offense being awesome when you 1361 01:07:48,410 --> 01:07:50,730 don't have Hertz is kind of tough to do. 1362 01:07:51,030 --> 01:07:53,790 But you can do it when you have Josh fucking at like the Eagles 1363 01:07:53,870 --> 01:07:56,710 can smash and the Bills can smash and we can be in a great 1364 01:07:56,710 --> 01:07:58,870 position. With I do like that 1365 01:07:58,870 --> 01:08:01,430 conceptually, taking the teammates of the other elite 1366 01:08:01,430 --> 01:08:03,510 quarterbacks when you have the elite quarterback, it. 1367 01:08:03,510 --> 01:08:06,030 Just exactly. Just get just get you into weird 1368 01:08:06,030 --> 01:08:08,870 parts of the game tree. I I do agree with that 100%. 1369 01:08:09,310 --> 01:08:12,310 Because if we were throwing out sort of a limp Dick quarterback 1370 01:08:12,310 --> 01:08:16,710 trio of like Brock Purdy, you know, Desmond Ritter and. 1371 01:08:17,430 --> 01:08:20,630 Whatever Kenny pick it. I would not do this because then 1372 01:08:20,710 --> 01:08:24,149 it's so thin that we can compete with like an Eagles smash week. 1373 01:08:24,390 --> 01:08:26,990 But when we have Josh Allen, I think we we totally can. 1374 01:08:27,189 --> 01:08:29,790 And if we can totally can with Josh Allen running in like 2, 1375 01:08:29,990 --> 01:08:32,149 yeah, we need. To put it put, it puts you in a 1376 01:08:32,149 --> 01:08:35,430 spot where maybe Diggs has like 4 catches and Gabe Davis only 1377 01:08:35,430 --> 01:08:38,430 scores like 9 points or whatever, cuz Josh Allen went 1378 01:08:38,470 --> 01:08:41,870 new as a rusher. Yeah, I I mean, I I don't think 1379 01:08:41,870 --> 01:08:43,430 it's optimal. Like I don't think that's the 1380 01:08:43,710 --> 01:08:47,029 best strategy you could do. But I do think it's a fine part. 1381 01:08:47,399 --> 01:08:49,520 Fine thing to do. We'll get our bill stacks. 1382 01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:55,920 I think we probably should take him. 1383 01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:51,760 Like, yeah, Kincaid. I mean, Kincaid's not totally 1384 01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:53,640 out of play. If he falls past, ADP Knox is 1385 01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:57,479 very much in. We're taking Kincaid ahead of 1386 01:08:57,479 --> 01:08:59,319 ADP. Yeah, we're taking Kincaid 1387 01:08:59,319 --> 01:09:01,479 ahead. We need the correlation. 1388 01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:02,240 We do. We need. 1389 01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:04,880 We need the correlation. Do it. 1390 01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:07,000 But why? I mean you can get correlation. 1391 01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:09,200 With hard, you literally, you literally do need it. 1392 01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:11,479 We could take both of them and then we can get a hard bolt. 1393 01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:15,750 OK, I mean. It's touchdown, man. 1394 01:09:15,750 --> 01:09:20,069 It's it's ultimately this is a it's a Week 17 tournament. 1395 01:09:20,229 --> 01:09:22,350 This is a Week 17 tournament. We need these Touchdown 1396 01:09:22,350 --> 01:09:25,630 partners. I I don't hate the Kincaid 1397 01:09:25,630 --> 01:09:27,870 Goddard pairing at tight end and being done. 1398 01:09:27,950 --> 01:09:30,270 I think that's that's totally fine structurally. 1399 01:09:30,870 --> 01:09:34,430 But are you guys saying a pick 99, we take him cuz I'm kind of 1400 01:09:34,430 --> 01:09:37,990 out on like I think we're gonna have what's his 80P, it's 17, 1401 01:09:37,990 --> 01:09:39,950 it's 117. So we'll but yeah, we'll take 1402 01:09:39,950 --> 01:09:41,910 him in the 10th. I'm not taking on the 9th. 1403 01:09:42,350 --> 01:09:45,430 Yeah. I mean stand for. 1404 01:09:45,750 --> 01:09:48,189 Yeah, Let's see what else is in the night. 1405 01:09:48,310 --> 01:09:50,430 If there's anything I like in the night, I think we should do. 1406 01:09:51,069 --> 01:09:52,069 It. I know that's what I'm saying. 1407 01:09:52,069 --> 01:09:57,150 It's like, I mean, come on, Knox is gonna run. 1408 01:09:57,150 --> 01:10:00,230 I mean, maybe it's not gonna run more routes, but in any given 1409 01:10:00,230 --> 01:10:04,430 week, I don't think Knox first Kincaid is like that crazy of a 1410 01:10:04,430 --> 01:10:07,830 discrepancy that we should reach for for Kincaid when we still 1411 01:10:07,830 --> 01:10:10,830 have the Knox and the hard. Well, the other thing, So I've 1412 01:10:10,830 --> 01:10:13,980 wrote about tight ends and this offseason and it was kind of 1413 01:10:13,980 --> 01:10:17,740 shocking, like how many of their touchdowns come on play action 1414 01:10:18,460 --> 01:10:22,140 and that's why the run blocking stuff matters. 1415 01:10:22,180 --> 01:10:26,020 If he's getting blown up and run blocking and they're doing play 1416 01:10:26,020 --> 01:10:29,180 action stuff around the goal line, then it's Knox. 1417 01:10:29,180 --> 01:10:31,300 Who might be the guy who gets there on touchdowns. 1418 01:10:31,620 --> 01:10:34,780 You know, the Knox might be the guy who scores that Week 16 1419 01:10:34,780 --> 01:10:36,980 touchdown. Josh Josh Allen can also. 1420 01:10:36,980 --> 01:10:39,140 I mean, Josh Allen can also throw 50 touchdowns. 1421 01:10:39,140 --> 01:10:41,380 Like they can both score 8. That's that's. 1422 01:10:41,420 --> 01:10:42,780 True. That's like that's like very 1423 01:10:42,780 --> 01:10:44,940 firmly in the range. That's wild pits. 1424 01:10:45,340 --> 01:10:48,420 Yeah, I hope pits might come all the way around to us, which 1425 01:10:48,460 --> 01:10:50,780 would be wild, I think. What it looks like that would 1426 01:10:50,780 --> 01:10:53,060 be, that would be that would be a podium pick. 1427 01:10:53,620 --> 01:10:55,940 That would be a podium pick cuz also so we can stop talking 1428 01:10:55,940 --> 01:10:57,220 about Kincaid. Yeah. 1429 01:10:57,460 --> 01:10:58,980 Yeah. And we also have London, which I 1430 01:10:58,980 --> 01:11:01,300 actually like them, correlated at these prices. 1431 01:11:01,380 --> 01:11:03,220 No, I actually hate it. I actually. 1432 01:11:03,260 --> 01:11:05,820 There we go. I actually hate taking pits in 1433 01:11:05,860 --> 01:11:07,180 London together. On the same team. 1434 01:11:08,030 --> 01:11:09,430 Oh God. Rashad Fucking White. 1435 01:11:09,470 --> 01:11:12,350 Sean White, I think is the good pick here. 1436 01:11:12,990 --> 01:11:14,590 I would be Connor over white, but I'll. 1437 01:11:15,350 --> 01:11:18,190 I would take, I would take Brian Robinson because he's on the 0 1438 01:11:18,190 --> 01:11:22,990 RB list, but structurally running back we do need one, I 1439 01:11:22,990 --> 01:11:26,870 think White over Robinson. OK. 1440 01:11:26,870 --> 01:11:28,870 You haven't been, you haven't been Sean Tucker pilled. 1441 01:11:30,630 --> 01:11:34,350 I mean, I think Sean Tucker could, you know, but like I take 1442 01:11:34,350 --> 01:11:38,930 and I've taken him some in the last round, but like they've 1443 01:11:38,930 --> 01:11:41,850 really given no indication that White's at risk of losing the 1444 01:11:41,850 --> 01:11:44,690 job to Tucker. I just feel like white verse 1445 01:11:44,850 --> 01:11:46,690 guys on the 0 running back list to be. 1446 01:11:46,810 --> 01:11:48,930 Out everyone hates. Everyone hates James Connor and 1447 01:11:48,930 --> 01:11:51,890 I kind of get it but but white verse Connors at least like. 1448 01:11:51,890 --> 01:11:54,050 I think there's outs. The Cardinals having good 1449 01:11:54,050 --> 01:11:56,770 quarterback play at the end of the year if Kyler comes back. 1450 01:11:56,770 --> 01:11:58,650 I know, I know there's a lot of conversations around that 1451 01:11:58,650 --> 01:12:02,570 there's some uncertainty. But like the Cardinals starting 1452 01:12:02,570 --> 01:12:04,530 running back at the end of the year, I think is going to be way 1453 01:12:04,530 --> 01:12:06,900 more valuable than. You know Rashad White, he's 1454 01:12:06,900 --> 01:12:09,220 gonna be, you know, healthy scratch on game days for Sean 1455 01:12:09,220 --> 01:12:13,500 Tucker and Keyshawn Bond. So I think, I think Connor could 1456 01:12:13,500 --> 01:12:16,740 be more valuable there. It's possible for sure, but I 1457 01:12:16,740 --> 01:12:20,780 just think, you know, 12 picks past ADP or whatever and you're 1458 01:12:20,780 --> 01:12:24,020 getting a starting running back who catches passes in his enter. 1459 01:12:24,060 --> 01:12:25,780 Of the second year? No, that's it. 1460 01:12:25,860 --> 01:12:28,220 That's kind of a no brainer, you know? 1461 01:12:28,700 --> 01:12:30,420 That's totally there that it's open. 1462 01:12:30,620 --> 01:12:34,660 Levitan just tweeted that the. Falcons beat writers Josh 1463 01:12:34,660 --> 01:12:37,140 Kendall said that he thinks Pitts is gonna be 4th on the 1464 01:12:37,180 --> 01:12:39,860 Falcons and targets. So I think we should go Bateman 1465 01:12:39,860 --> 01:12:43,820 or Burks here. Burks Burks is better for 1466 01:12:44,060 --> 01:12:47,260 setting up a secondary stack if we care about that, but it's 1467 01:12:47,260 --> 01:12:52,180 like the same bet. I I don't I kind of randomize 1468 01:12:52,180 --> 01:12:55,300 these do we have I do a lot of Bateman, but we don't have any 1469 01:12:55,300 --> 01:12:57,300 like reason to be on Bateman here. 1470 01:12:57,380 --> 01:12:59,740 That's fair, Yeah. We're strong at wide receiver. 1471 01:13:01,470 --> 01:13:04,990 Burks is back practicing. Yeah. 1472 01:13:05,030 --> 01:13:07,590 I think that's like a true toss up on that one. 1473 01:13:07,590 --> 01:13:10,230 I think those are those are the two best picks in that range by 1474 01:13:10,230 --> 01:13:12,270 far. It's crazy, the drop of the wide 1475 01:13:12,270 --> 01:13:15,030 receiver after those 2GO you go from Bateman and Burks, which I 1476 01:13:15,030 --> 01:13:19,710 feel so good about to like Dobbs, Odell, Boyd, Juju, like 1477 01:13:20,030 --> 01:13:22,830 we're we're lucky to get one of those guys coming around. 1478 01:13:25,110 --> 01:13:28,110 OK. So through 9 rounds, pretty 1479 01:13:28,110 --> 01:13:32,000 balanced build. We're drafting a good team here. 1480 01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:35,120 This is a very, very good team. This this gives us flexibility 1481 01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:38,400 to do a lot of different things. This is a team that could be A7 1482 01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:40,560 wide receiver team. This is still a team that could 1483 01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:44,840 be A5 running back team or like a six or seven even if we really 1484 01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:47,000 wait on it. It's a lot of flexibility here, 1485 01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:52,520 so this will be interesting. I'm starting to get. 1486 01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:55,920 I'm starting to get Kyle Pitts. Tbgb's just just so bad. 1487 01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:58,360 The The beat writers The beat who? 1488 01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:01,240 Who would even be third in the pecking order if it's not? 1489 01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:04,120 If it's not. So London and Bijon, Sure, 1490 01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:05,360 whatever. But who would? 1491 01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:08,400 Who could possibly get more targets on that roster than cow 1492 01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:08,920 pits? What? 1493 01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:10,080 What could that beat writer mean? 1494 01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:13,120 He thinks Mac Hollins is going to get more than Kyle Pitts. 1495 01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:16,400 So wait, did he say the beat writer said he could be third in 1496 01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:18,640 targets? This is the This is the full 1497 01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:22,960 blurb from Josh Kendall, who is the Atlanta Falcons beat writer. 1498 01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:25,520 Where should I draft Kyle Pitts in fantasy? 1499 01:14:25,830 --> 01:14:27,750 Not high unless you like to live dangerously. 1500 01:14:27,750 --> 01:14:29,430 For starters, pits is coming off an injury. 1501 01:14:29,430 --> 01:14:31,750 Head coach Arthur Smith said last year the Pits was a better 1502 01:14:31,750 --> 01:14:33,470 overall player than he was as a rookie. 1503 01:14:33,670 --> 01:14:36,630 What Smith means is that pits could be used in more places 1504 01:14:36,790 --> 01:14:38,630 that didn't necessarily lead to targets. 1505 01:14:38,830 --> 01:14:40,750 That's good for the Falcons, bad for fantasy. 1506 01:14:40,750 --> 01:14:43,910 I don't see pits being any higher than fourth on this team 1507 01:14:43,910 --> 01:14:45,870 and targets. Plus, he still must prove he's 1508 01:14:45,870 --> 01:14:48,630 healthy after last season's surgery, I guess. 1509 01:14:48,630 --> 01:14:51,950 I guess the third is Patterson. So the third I you know what 1510 01:14:51,950 --> 01:14:54,790 actually how pits can still pay off. 1511 01:14:55,770 --> 01:14:58,810 With 80 targets if he scores but but that, it's like now I'm 1512 01:14:58,810 --> 01:15:01,530 coping, I'm coping now. That I I can't. 1513 01:15:01,810 --> 01:15:06,770 That is such a pessimistic from the beat reporter saying 4th and 1514 01:15:06,970 --> 01:15:08,730 because OK, that means yeah, Bijon. 1515 01:15:09,170 --> 01:15:11,130 He does. He has to mean Patterson. 1516 01:15:11,330 --> 01:15:14,210 Yeah, but even just saying third, would it be bad? 1517 01:15:14,210 --> 01:15:18,130 Is that like Bijon being a lock to out target pits would be 1518 01:15:18,130 --> 01:15:20,370 really bad because how many targets is Bijon gonna have? 1519 01:15:20,370 --> 01:15:23,250 Not like we're hoping what 100 plus targets for pits like I 1520 01:15:23,250 --> 01:15:25,410 don't think Bijon's getting to 100 targets, so. 1521 01:15:26,020 --> 01:15:27,780 Man, that's that's not what you want to hear. 1522 01:15:28,380 --> 01:15:32,420 It's a wild report. That is, that is, almost all. 1523 01:15:32,420 --> 01:15:33,980 These beats are terrible at projections. 1524 01:15:34,100 --> 01:15:35,620 Yeah, yeah. I don't really put too much 1525 01:15:35,620 --> 01:15:37,380 weight in that. I put more weight, honestly in 1526 01:15:37,380 --> 01:15:39,860 the preseason usage, the the injury concerns. 1527 01:15:39,860 --> 01:15:41,660 That's why I'm hesitant on pits this year. 1528 01:15:41,660 --> 01:15:42,980 I don't put a ton of weight in that. 1529 01:15:42,980 --> 01:15:44,940 But this is, this is what is true. 1530 01:15:45,180 --> 01:15:48,820 Week 1, Lock in that Matt Collins is gonna have a higher 1531 01:15:48,820 --> 01:15:51,860 route rate than Kyle Pitts. I think you go for the Yeah, 1532 01:15:51,940 --> 01:15:54,100 yeah. Yeah, and so. 1533 01:15:54,980 --> 01:15:57,540 That's the thing, right? Like Matt Collins never gets 1534 01:15:57,540 --> 01:15:59,300 drafted in these. There's gonna be a lot of weeks 1535 01:15:59,300 --> 01:16:01,620 this year where Matt Collins out targets Kyle Pitts. 1536 01:16:03,500 --> 01:16:06,660 I'm not saying anything, but he doesn't have tight 1537 01:16:06,660 --> 01:16:08,540 intelligibility. I know. 1538 01:16:08,540 --> 01:16:11,980 I'm just saying like. Well, this was we are now we are 1539 01:16:11,980 --> 01:16:14,660 now making the Erst Gerald argument for Kyle Pitts. 1540 01:16:14,660 --> 01:16:22,740 Which fuck fuck can I get a do over underdog? 1541 01:16:22,740 --> 01:16:26,500 Can you just? Can I refund my 1:50 and 1542 01:16:26,500 --> 01:16:27,980 actually just do this over again? 1543 01:16:28,020 --> 01:16:30,180 Can I just start over with three days left to go? 1544 01:16:31,060 --> 01:16:34,020 All right, put them in the queue, but whatever the opposite 1545 01:16:34,020 --> 01:16:36,900 of roll the clip is, get ready. Get ready to do the opposite of 1546 01:16:36,900 --> 01:16:39,540 rolling the clip? Yeah, what's the opposite of run 1547 01:16:39,540 --> 01:16:42,870 to the podium? Yeah, slink away. 1548 01:16:42,990 --> 01:16:45,470 We're slinking away after making this selection all. 1549 01:16:45,550 --> 01:16:49,670 Right, considered Al Mazard here week, Week 15. 1550 01:16:49,670 --> 01:16:53,110 He's playing against the the Eagles, I think. 1551 01:16:54,150 --> 01:16:57,390 What do you guys think here? Putting Dude, dude puts Lazard 1552 01:16:57,390 --> 01:17:01,910 and Odell Beckham in the queue. I mean, find someone you're like 1553 01:17:01,910 --> 01:17:04,710 a little kid you gotta go like over to like the the relative 1554 01:17:04,710 --> 01:17:07,110 that you don't really know and you just gotta your mom's, like, 1555 01:17:07,150 --> 01:17:10,420 pulling you over. Yeah. 1556 01:17:10,900 --> 01:17:13,700 So this. I mean the the only thing I 1557 01:17:13,700 --> 01:17:16,340 consider here is the Warren pick is pretty nice. 1558 01:17:16,580 --> 01:17:18,660 Just taken, dude. Just just do it. 1559 01:17:19,540 --> 01:17:21,780 Put me through this. Remember we're gonna take we're 1560 01:17:21,780 --> 01:17:25,020 gonna take a chain with the next pick and then our team is is so 1561 01:17:25,020 --> 01:17:26,820 fun. We got our we got our second 1562 01:17:26,820 --> 01:17:28,860 running back 30 spots after Rashad White. 1563 01:17:28,900 --> 01:17:31,540 I am like Crane. I went back and watched some a 1564 01:17:31,540 --> 01:17:35,780 chain in college just cuz I like watched a lot of Texas A and M 1565 01:17:35,780 --> 01:17:39,100 but. The way they used him is so 1566 01:17:39,100 --> 01:17:41,980 goddamn encouraging. Like a lot of running backs his 1567 01:17:41,980 --> 01:17:45,740 size in college. It's all like they post these 1568 01:17:45,740 --> 01:17:48,900 crazy video game numbers, but you go back and watch and it was 1569 01:17:48,900 --> 01:17:52,180 all No one's near them. They get the ball in acres of 1570 01:17:52,180 --> 01:17:54,100 space. A linebacker doesn't even have a 1571 01:17:54,100 --> 01:17:57,150 chance to see them. The chain of Texas A and M is 1572 01:17:57,150 --> 01:18:00,590 just like OK we're playing against Alabama just run right 1573 01:18:00,590 --> 01:18:03,990 between the tackles just like we're wait wait like just get 1574 01:18:03,990 --> 01:18:06,870 after it you know like it's it was just like you are a real 1575 01:18:06,870 --> 01:18:10,910 running back he handled. So like we the season I always 1576 01:18:10,910 --> 01:18:13,750 remember is the Phillip Lindsay one where where that's kind of 1577 01:18:13,750 --> 01:18:15,150 how like Blair Andrews got turned on him. 1578 01:18:15,150 --> 01:18:19,350 A small running back but really high dominator rating 93% of the 1579 01:18:19,350 --> 01:18:23,670 running back touches for an SEC team in 2022. 1580 01:18:23,670 --> 01:18:27,090 I mean that is. If that I I tweeted this today. 1581 01:18:27,090 --> 01:18:30,010 If he was 206 pounds, I think he would be going in the sixth 1582 01:18:30,010 --> 01:18:32,170 round of drafts. Honestly, I really do, right? 1583 01:18:34,250 --> 01:18:36,050 Yeah. So let's talk through these 1584 01:18:36,050 --> 01:18:38,330 running backs. I would probably have them 1585 01:18:38,330 --> 01:18:43,290 ranked in this order. We do not need week one points 1586 01:18:43,610 --> 01:18:47,530 if we. If we we need, we need or no, I 1587 01:18:47,650 --> 01:18:48,410 think. A chain? 1588 01:18:48,410 --> 01:18:50,170 A chain for me? You guys are both on a chain. 1589 01:18:50,210 --> 01:18:53,150 OK, I'd be big to be here, but. That seems reasonable. 1590 01:18:53,470 --> 01:18:55,910 Can we just. I just we need to before we move 1591 01:18:55,910 --> 01:18:58,470 on. Sam put Elijah Mitchell in the 1592 01:18:58,470 --> 01:19:00,230 queue on a Christian McCaffrey team. 1593 01:19:00,390 --> 01:19:03,350 It's actually fine. I actually think that's 1594 01:19:03,350 --> 01:19:05,190 completely fine. This is worse than the Lazar 1595 01:19:05,270 --> 01:19:06,070 thing. You guys are not. 1596 01:19:07,110 --> 01:19:10,150 We're hand cucking in the 11th round. 1597 01:19:10,150 --> 01:19:13,550 No, no. I was mindlessly going through 1598 01:19:13,550 --> 01:19:14,910 the running backs I liked. I wasn't. 1599 01:19:15,110 --> 01:19:17,310 I wasn't thinking. The best ball data. 1600 01:19:17,310 --> 01:19:19,230 The best ball data on the hand cucking. 1601 01:19:19,790 --> 01:19:23,870 The data that we do have is overwhelmingly good for advance 1602 01:19:23,870 --> 01:19:25,870 rate. Hand cooking is probably good, 1603 01:19:25,870 --> 01:19:30,350 but I don't know about this. Cannot be McCaffrey the 103 to 1604 01:19:30,350 --> 01:19:32,990 take a guy in the 11th. There's no way that that can be. 1605 01:19:32,990 --> 01:19:36,590 Good, I actually hear me out. I actually think it's maybe 1606 01:19:36,630 --> 01:19:40,830 optimal for McCaffrey specifically because if this 1607 01:19:40,830 --> 01:19:44,310 stuff is true about. Them, like, there was that 1608 01:19:44,310 --> 01:19:46,510 report last week about them resting, and we're giving him 1609 01:19:46,510 --> 01:19:48,990 more time off than they did the year before. 1610 01:19:49,230 --> 01:19:52,110 And Jordan Mason and TDP have been super. 1611 01:19:52,510 --> 01:19:56,030 You know, they just like incredibly average in this 1612 01:19:56,030 --> 01:19:58,070 preseason. I I actually think you might get 1613 01:19:58,070 --> 01:20:01,830 games where you're 1, the 49ers run so much, you might be 1614 01:20:01,830 --> 01:20:05,630 getting points from both of them, and then, I mean, they're 1615 01:20:05,630 --> 01:20:08,110 going to be games where they're up 20 points or whatever. 1616 01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:10,640 The Rams games. I mean, you think you think 1617 01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:13,400 Elijah Mitchell might get 18 carries in the second-half 1618 01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:15,600 against the Rams. I it makes. 1619 01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:18,560 That stuff can happen, but you're paying so much for 1620 01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:20,880 McCaffrey, like you're kind of already losing. 1621 01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:24,200 So I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't do it over a chain or 1622 01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:26,600 Bigsby. But Jamal Williams versus Elijah 1623 01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:29,920 Mitchell in this spot, I mean, you could talk me into it. 1624 01:20:30,420 --> 01:20:34,220 If you fell like a full round past ADP, I would definitely 1625 01:20:34,220 --> 01:20:35,900 consider it. I think that the thing that's 1626 01:20:35,900 --> 01:20:38,300 also interesting, Pat, is our specific build. 1627 01:20:38,300 --> 01:20:41,660 If we wouldn't like, you know, bimodal running back or whatever 1628 01:20:41,660 --> 01:20:44,740 we're calling it, I would not want Mitchell as just like our 1629 01:20:44,740 --> 01:20:46,420 4th running back on a McCaffrey team. 1630 01:20:46,420 --> 01:20:48,300 But this is a McCaffrey team where we're gonna have what, 1631 01:20:48,300 --> 01:20:51,420 five, maybe 6 running backs. I think at that point you can 1632 01:20:51,420 --> 01:20:55,020 talk me into it more where Mitchell can contribute as just 1633 01:20:55,020 --> 01:20:58,180 like an RV2IN some weeks where White and a chain bust, like, 1634 01:20:58,220 --> 01:21:01,060 yeah. I think it has to be after ADP 1635 01:21:01,060 --> 01:21:04,420 for sure, but I'm not super ideological about the 1636 01:21:04,420 --> 01:21:05,620 handcucking. I'll do it. 1637 01:21:05,780 --> 01:21:08,220 I think also that. I'm not that ideological about 1638 01:21:08,220 --> 01:21:10,660 it either. I just like I take 2 Eagles 1639 01:21:10,660 --> 01:21:13,300 running backs a fair amount. Like I'll take, I'll take Swift 1640 01:21:13,300 --> 01:21:16,940 and Penny. Swift and Penny, yeah, I'll take 1641 01:21:16,940 --> 01:21:19,140 and I take. I take gain well with both of 1642 01:21:19,140 --> 01:21:20,660 them. Yeah, exactly. 1643 01:21:20,660 --> 01:21:22,900 I'll take any combination of two Eagles running backs. 1644 01:21:22,940 --> 01:21:25,140 I'll take Herbert and Rochon together. 1645 01:21:26,180 --> 01:21:28,660 I'll take a chain and moster like I don't. 1646 01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:31,280 I'm not all that ideological about. 1647 01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:32,840 It's just, it's just a rebuke of. 1648 01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:36,040 It's just a rebuke of the price of the of the the price of the 1649 01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:36,920 combined price. Yes, we've. 1650 01:21:37,200 --> 01:21:39,600 Made a massive bet on Christian McCaffrey on this team. 1651 01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:42,440 Yeah, yeah. I think we're all against that. 1652 01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:44,240 Yeah. I mean, I, I do agree. 1653 01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:48,440 The one thing I would say, and this is very like 2020 fantasy 1654 01:21:48,440 --> 01:21:50,920 before we even knew anything though, is it's like, let me 1655 01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:53,470 tell you a story. Christian McCaffrey misses Week 1656 01:21:53,470 --> 01:21:55,430 15. You have Elijah Mitchell. 1657 01:21:55,590 --> 01:21:57,950 Elijah Mitchell scores 27 fantasy points. 1658 01:21:58,110 --> 01:22:00,550 You're the only one with McCaffrey in the semifinal. 1659 01:22:00,550 --> 01:22:02,510 Then you're the only one with McCaffrey in the final. 1660 01:22:02,510 --> 01:22:05,590 That that I mean, and that is very like three years ago. 1661 01:22:05,590 --> 01:22:07,590 We know better than that now, but still. 1662 01:22:08,070 --> 01:22:09,630 Yeah, yeah. I think there's some like you 1663 01:22:09,870 --> 01:22:13,270 having players that are like very inversely correlated to 1664 01:22:13,310 --> 01:22:16,870 each other on a weekly basis. It's kind of interesting at the 1665 01:22:16,870 --> 01:22:18,070 running back position, right? Cuz like. 1666 01:22:18,570 --> 01:22:21,850 You want that effect where like if one of your guys bust the 1667 01:22:21,850 --> 01:22:23,570 other guy is going to be awesome. 1668 01:22:23,930 --> 01:22:25,570 Like that's kind of an interesting thing. 1669 01:22:25,570 --> 01:22:28,450 But anyways, Algeer here I think is interesting. 1670 01:22:28,570 --> 01:22:30,410 Algeer. Algeer I actually think 1671 01:22:30,410 --> 01:22:34,370 correlates really well with Pitts in London because it means 1672 01:22:34,570 --> 01:22:38,090 like the a lot of the scenarios where Algiers crushing means 1673 01:22:38,650 --> 01:22:43,170 that Bijan is injured, probably either injured or doesn't have 1674 01:22:43,170 --> 01:22:45,130 the role, yeah. The offense is good. 1675 01:22:45,130 --> 01:22:46,730 Like we just want the Atlanta offense to be. 1676 01:22:47,070 --> 01:22:49,470 Good, right? Like for Algier to pay off, you 1677 01:22:49,470 --> 01:22:51,910 need, you probably need a Bijan injury, but you just want 1678 01:22:51,950 --> 01:22:53,910 Atlanta to be firing in all cylinders. 1679 01:22:53,950 --> 01:22:56,750 So I think that's like that. I really do like that running 1680 01:22:56,750 --> 01:22:59,390 back wide receiver correlation there. 1681 01:23:00,390 --> 01:23:02,870 Yeah, I mean, if they're scoring points, both guys are paying 1682 01:23:02,870 --> 01:23:04,750 off. Yeah, yeah. 1683 01:23:06,310 --> 01:23:10,150 So our next pick, we do have a chance at the picket stack if we 1684 01:23:10,150 --> 01:23:12,070 want to be done at quarterback. We have plenty of outs, though 1685 01:23:12,070 --> 01:23:15,190 with Burks and we're taking Ridder. 1686 01:23:15,190 --> 01:23:19,010 Now we're taking Ridder. Yeah, so we could I I like the 1687 01:23:19,010 --> 01:23:24,770 Mingo pick at this price. Let's see what else. 1688 01:23:25,210 --> 01:23:27,290 If you wanna scroll farther, these are probably the other 1689 01:23:27,290 --> 01:23:28,530 wide receivers. This is. 1690 01:23:28,530 --> 01:23:30,370 This is right about the range where I just start. 1691 01:23:30,610 --> 01:23:32,970 This is about the range where I just start scrolling the guys I 1692 01:23:32,970 --> 01:23:36,130 like. Yeah, I mean, I actually, when 1693 01:23:36,130 --> 01:23:38,970 the top of the queue is Higbee, Thelin, Pickett, Zeke, I'm just 1694 01:23:38,970 --> 01:23:40,250 like, yeah, it doesn't matter anymore. 1695 01:23:40,250 --> 01:23:46,980 I can just take whoever I want. So we have the mini Carolina 1696 01:23:46,980 --> 01:23:52,500 Jacksonville thing with Mingo. He is the I think I would say 1697 01:23:52,500 --> 01:23:54,420 Spears or Mingo. I don't care which one. 1698 01:23:54,980 --> 01:23:57,260 Let's do mango. I think we can wait. 1699 01:23:57,340 --> 01:23:59,580 We can push the RV5, right? Yeah. 1700 01:23:59,580 --> 01:24:04,540 I think we can push the RV5, so Mingo is one of the losers. 1701 01:24:04,580 --> 01:24:08,650 I took in the ADB value game. I want that on record that, 1702 01:24:08,810 --> 01:24:10,330 yeah, that feels that feels unfair. 1703 01:24:10,370 --> 01:24:11,610 Should have gotten paid off on that. 1704 01:24:11,650 --> 01:24:16,090 The market like what do we like? Chark is injured already and 1705 01:24:16,090 --> 01:24:17,770 then Bryce Young looks pretty good. 1706 01:24:17,890 --> 01:24:20,770 In the preseason it was unfortunately Adam feeling 1707 01:24:20,770 --> 01:24:23,610 targets, not Mingo targets, but I think Bryce Young's be able to 1708 01:24:23,610 --> 01:24:25,410 play a little bit. I think Mingo's like pretty 1709 01:24:25,410 --> 01:24:29,050 clearly the favorite to be the leader in targets by the end of 1710 01:24:29,050 --> 01:24:33,880 the season. So yeah, I get that his prospect 1711 01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:35,480 profile is not perfect. He was injured. 1712 01:24:35,480 --> 01:24:36,680 There's some weird stuff going on. 1713 01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:39,560 He's a freak athlete, theoretically a really good yak 1714 01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:42,080 guy. His target competition is 1715 01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:44,000 absolute dust. I don't get why he's hovered at 1716 01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:47,360 this 150 range all off season. I think he's my highest exposure 1717 01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:49,280 wide receiver, actually. I've been hammering him. 1718 01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:51,120 Mingo. Yeah. 1719 01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:53,960 He's a smash. He's an absolute smash. 1720 01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:58,000 I don't understand why there was never any hype for him, cuz he's 1721 01:24:58,040 --> 01:25:01,340 a shitty prospect. You know he was not a great 1722 01:25:01,340 --> 01:25:03,780 prospect, you know. You know what's funny is my 1723 01:25:03,820 --> 01:25:07,420 highest exposure wide receiver is also a shitty prospect who is 1724 01:25:07,420 --> 01:25:09,380 just going to get playing time on a shitty team. 1725 01:25:09,580 --> 01:25:11,740 Michael Wilson is my highest drafted wide receiver. 1726 01:25:11,860 --> 01:25:14,740 What a fucking heel turn for me on Michael Wilson to go from 1727 01:25:14,740 --> 01:25:17,540 Greg George, Short King Summer to my most drafted wide 1728 01:25:17,540 --> 01:25:19,620 receiver. But my one of my other most 1729 01:25:19,620 --> 01:25:22,180 drafted wide receivers. One of my other most drafted 1730 01:25:22,180 --> 01:25:25,900 wide receivers is another bad, bad prospects but on a good 1731 01:25:25,900 --> 01:25:27,220 team. Brushy rice. 1732 01:25:27,670 --> 01:25:29,550 So I I get it. I I would be, I would be 1733 01:25:29,550 --> 01:25:32,470 sneaking out of both sides of my mouth if I was like, oh, you 1734 01:25:32,470 --> 01:25:37,150 gotta scoop up Rashi Rice and and and Michael Wilson, but you 1735 01:25:37,150 --> 01:25:39,350 can't. And look, I think Mingo, Mingo 1736 01:25:39,350 --> 01:25:41,590 was a better prospect than both of those guys. 1737 01:25:41,710 --> 01:25:46,070 You know he's when you look for, I think when you look at these 1738 01:25:46,070 --> 01:25:48,430 wide receiver prospects like there are ways. 1739 01:25:48,430 --> 01:25:51,710 I think it was too, yeah. There's It's like, how can this 1740 01:25:51,710 --> 01:25:54,350 guy kind of overcome the red flags? 1741 01:25:54,850 --> 01:25:58,410 And Mingo has size and elite athleticism. 1742 01:25:58,610 --> 01:25:59,970 Yeah, but he's. So kind of the better version. 1743 01:25:59,970 --> 01:26:03,850 Wilson has both of those. Yeah, but but we went to it. 1744 01:26:03,850 --> 01:26:05,050 Actually, he went to. It's not elite. 1745 01:26:05,050 --> 01:26:07,570 He went to an SEC school. It is different. 1746 01:26:07,570 --> 01:26:10,690 It is different. Yeah, yeah, Big time program. 1747 01:26:11,690 --> 01:26:14,730 He flashed a little bit. He's got this yards after catch 1748 01:26:14,730 --> 01:26:16,930 skill set that the team's really excited about. 1749 01:26:17,420 --> 01:26:20,780 Playing him, it sounds like at the Z, which is going to be, you 1750 01:26:20,780 --> 01:26:22,780 know, giving him routes, they're going to be conducive to yards 1751 01:26:22,780 --> 01:26:25,340 after catch not making him like the big bodied X deep threat 1752 01:26:25,340 --> 01:26:26,500 guy. They're gonna they're gonna be 1753 01:26:26,500 --> 01:26:28,740 getting him on stuff that's a little bit more interesting 1754 01:26:28,740 --> 01:26:31,700 where he can utilize that athleticism post catch. 1755 01:26:32,300 --> 01:26:36,620 Me and and Rice are just so goddamn lucky that they declared 1756 01:26:36,620 --> 01:26:38,860 the year they declared when every other wide receiver was 1757 01:26:38,860 --> 01:26:41,020 short. They like these are we're 1758 01:26:41,020 --> 01:26:45,770 talking about the most round six wide receiver prospect profiles 1759 01:26:45,770 --> 01:26:50,010 of all time, but they both got huge draft capital just because 1760 01:26:50,010 --> 01:26:52,650 their bodies were larger than the other wide receivers in 1761 01:26:52,650 --> 01:26:55,850 their class. Yeah, I mean, Bingo had an 1762 01:26:55,850 --> 01:26:58,930 unreal athletic profile. I think he was like a 9.9 on the 1763 01:26:58,930 --> 01:27:02,930 Ras score. Like, yeah, I mean, he's a big 1764 01:27:02,930 --> 01:27:05,790 dude and he ran A4. He's definitely a boom. 1765 01:27:05,790 --> 01:27:09,230 He definitely fills into the boom, bust profile of wide 1766 01:27:09,230 --> 01:27:12,830 receivers for sure, But I just think the how is he not gonna 1767 01:27:12,830 --> 01:27:14,910 get routes on this team? That's where I'm like the floor 1768 01:27:14,910 --> 01:27:18,550 seems pretty safe. He's not gonna not be playing 1769 01:27:18,830 --> 01:27:21,570 unless he's injured. I've never seen this before, but 1770 01:27:21,570 --> 01:27:23,490 Jonathan Mingo's wrote of his box score scout. 1771 01:27:23,490 --> 01:27:26,490 I've never heard of a single one of the other guys who are in his 1772 01:27:28,010 --> 01:27:30,610 Sims. I've never heard of Jamal Custis 1773 01:27:30,770 --> 01:27:33,610 or Dantavia Bogan or Terrence Tolliver. 1774 01:27:33,690 --> 01:27:35,530 I do not know who these. Guys are honest to God. 1775 01:27:35,530 --> 01:27:37,650 This is where I take Hubbard. I just take Hubbard here. 1776 01:27:37,730 --> 01:27:42,740 So yeah, this is where I started looking at Clyde. 1777 01:27:42,940 --> 01:27:44,820 But we actually don't need we don't need Clyde. 1778 01:27:44,820 --> 01:27:47,620 I would take Alec Pierce over over these other receivers. 1779 01:27:47,860 --> 01:27:50,500 You don't think DPJ is just the two wide receiver set starter 1780 01:27:50,500 --> 01:27:51,540 and? Cleveland. 1781 01:27:51,740 --> 01:27:52,340 Yeah. OK. 1782 01:27:52,540 --> 01:27:54,860 I I'd be OK with him. Are you OK? 1783 01:27:54,860 --> 01:27:56,340 I would probably just take cover to be honest. 1784 01:27:56,780 --> 01:27:59,900 These these are not a single one of these guys I've ever taken. 1785 01:28:00,340 --> 01:28:03,820 Pierce, I guess with Richardson, these are, these are these guys 1786 01:28:03,820 --> 01:28:05,740 just don't even show up preloaded in my in. 1787 01:28:06,700 --> 01:28:10,180 My Yeah, they're not in my. I'm trying to Isaiah Hodgins. 1788 01:28:10,180 --> 01:28:12,580 Dude, put a fucking star on it. I would. 1789 01:28:12,740 --> 01:28:15,220 I would take Wandell straight up over Isaiah Hodgins. 1790 01:28:15,380 --> 01:28:17,220 We're not taking. I let you guys get Rashad. 1791 01:28:17,220 --> 01:28:18,820 We're not taking Wandell on this team. 1792 01:28:18,860 --> 01:28:21,100 I'll let you take anyone else. Besides, I didn't want Rashad 1793 01:28:21,100 --> 01:28:22,540 White. I don't like Rashad White. 1794 01:28:22,540 --> 01:28:23,820 I'm. I've been Tucker filled. 1795 01:28:26,380 --> 01:28:27,740 We should probably get it running back on the. 1796 01:28:27,900 --> 01:28:30,140 Here. Sorry, go ahead, Pat. 1797 01:28:30,180 --> 01:28:34,980 OK, good the sue and pushed back on the idea that Rice was a 1798 01:28:34,980 --> 01:28:40,160 worse prospect than Mango. With Rice's prospect profile 1799 01:28:40,160 --> 01:28:42,480 doesn't include that he was on the Chiefs, that's that's not 1800 01:28:42,480 --> 01:28:48,440 part of his prospect. See, this guy saw me put Parker 1801 01:28:48,440 --> 01:28:50,960 in the queue and he said I gotta scoop him up at 168. 1802 01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:53,680 He he knew I was gonna try to. Let's take let's take Ty 1803 01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:57,440 Chandler here or Hubbard. We honestly probably should, 1804 01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:00,400 yeah, we probably should have taken taking Parker for the 1805 01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:01,880 Bills. Correlation there actually 1806 01:29:02,040 --> 01:29:04,760 probably would have been the play, as gross as it is. 1807 01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:11,520 Oh well. Yeah, Hubbard. 1808 01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:13,680 If Hubbard goes any of these other running, I think we can 1809 01:29:13,680 --> 01:29:14,960 just scroll at running back here. 1810 01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:17,680 I don't want to take Singletary. I don't really want to take Jeff 1811 01:29:17,680 --> 01:29:19,280 Wilson. All right, We don't even have to 1812 01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:23,040 have that conversation. Let's walk in, Hubbard. 1813 01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:26,800 Oh, OK. Once I put in his draft slot, I 1814 01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:31,400 get Mahabin Massacoy, Chase Claypool, Cody Latimer, Brian 1815 01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:35,000 Rabisky and Josh Huff. So we're back on track. 1816 01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:37,360 I've heard of those guys, at least. 1817 01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:41,520 I remember Brian Rubinski. I actually haven't, I actually 1818 01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:43,160 have not looked at this for Michael Wilson. 1819 01:29:43,160 --> 01:29:46,960 I wonder if I'll get if anyone close comps to Michael Wilson. 1820 01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:52,440 Trying to think who might pop up for Michael Wilson. 1821 01:29:54,440 --> 01:29:56,800 I'll tell you. I'll tell you if any when it 1822 01:29:56,800 --> 01:29:58,920 when it populates, I'll give you a chance to guess. 1823 01:29:59,800 --> 01:30:02,280 Cody Latimer would have been a good guess for Michael Wilson. 1824 01:30:02,600 --> 01:30:05,080 Yeah, OK, Michael Wilson. What was his? 1825 01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:12,680 What was his draft slot? Draft slot? 1826 01:30:12,680 --> 01:30:18,640 94th overall? All right, it's populating that 1827 01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:21,880 without draft, without draft slot, there was none of none of 1828 01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:23,000 them. Yeah. 1829 01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:26,440 Which is a good sign that a player was probably overdrafted 1830 01:30:26,440 --> 01:30:29,760 if if the draft positioning is needed to generate any comps, 1831 01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:33,440 actually. OK, there are there are some 1832 01:30:33,440 --> 01:30:34,960 good. There are some good ones here. 1833 01:30:35,080 --> 01:30:38,910 For more Michael Wilson. There's there's one. 1834 01:30:40,030 --> 01:30:41,950 I'll give you a hint, You'll get it immediately. 1835 01:30:44,190 --> 01:30:47,070 This guy went to the same school as him and they were both 1836 01:30:47,350 --> 01:30:49,790 selected with the same pick in the NFL draft. 1837 01:30:49,790 --> 01:30:51,430 They were both picked 94 overall. 1838 01:30:51,430 --> 01:30:56,910 What? Is Stanford. 1839 01:30:58,430 --> 01:31:02,550 Stanford haven't been very it's not it's not our fega. 1840 01:31:02,670 --> 01:31:06,630 It's not our fega Whiteside. I thought he was USC. 1841 01:31:08,630 --> 01:31:11,590 No. Our Sega white side was Stanford 1842 01:31:11,590 --> 01:31:18,070 because he scored 14% of the team's no 14% of Jjr. 1843 01:31:18,070 --> 01:31:22,990 Sega whitesides final season targets were touchdowns because 1844 01:31:22,990 --> 01:31:24,830 he only got targeted like 43 times. 1845 01:31:25,650 --> 01:31:29,690 He came into Stanford. It's it's it's shocking because 1846 01:31:29,690 --> 01:31:32,530 we don't remember him this way. But it's Ty Montgomery we don't 1847 01:31:32,530 --> 01:31:34,490 remember. Ty Montgomery being We don't 1848 01:31:34,490 --> 01:31:37,810 remember Ty Montgomery being big because Ty Montgomery is small 1849 01:31:37,810 --> 01:31:40,090 for a running back, but he's huge for a wide receiver. 1850 01:31:41,050 --> 01:31:42,930 That's interesting. I was gonna get my guess was 1851 01:31:42,930 --> 01:31:47,530 gonna be Dante Pettis Austin too small. 1852 01:31:47,570 --> 01:31:53,090 Austin OK Pettis, partial Chris, Josh Palmer and actually. 1853 01:31:53,610 --> 01:31:57,320 Yeah, that's a good one. Riley Riley Cooper and Deshawn 1854 01:31:57,320 --> 01:31:59,560 Hamilton are two. That totally makes sense to me 1855 01:31:59,560 --> 01:32:01,200 now. Cooper ended up out of the NFL 1856 01:32:01,200 --> 01:32:04,040 because he's a bad person. But Deshawn Hamilton I actually 1857 01:32:04,040 --> 01:32:07,160 kind of liked back in the day. He just he couldn't say healthy, 1858 01:32:07,160 --> 01:32:10,600 but he earned a bunch of targets as a rookie when he got starting 1859 01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:14,120 time. Josh Palmer feels very kind of 1860 01:32:14,120 --> 01:32:17,200 accurate like that is that is like that would be for for my 1861 01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:19,280 the size of my Michael Wilson bags. 1862 01:32:19,280 --> 01:32:21,800 Josh Palmer would be a win at this point, I think. 1863 01:32:21,800 --> 01:32:23,200 It'd be a win, yeah, because it's. 1864 01:32:24,140 --> 01:32:26,620 That's all Palmer was, he gets. Palmer was a shitty prospect. 1865 01:32:26,620 --> 01:32:28,500 Actually, Palmer was not a good prospect. 1866 01:32:29,060 --> 01:32:31,460 But he was a third round pick. And it was kind of similar 1867 01:32:31,460 --> 01:32:33,660 because the film, I don't know the film guys like Palmer, the 1868 01:32:33,660 --> 01:32:36,620 film guys liked him, but they but and the analytics guys 1869 01:32:36,620 --> 01:32:38,500 didn't like him and everyone blamed it on the school. 1870 01:32:39,020 --> 01:32:44,580 Yeah, all right. So at our next pick, we can lock 1871 01:32:44,580 --> 01:32:46,580 up one of our quarterback stacks. 1872 01:32:47,460 --> 01:32:50,940 We're gonna have either Tannehill, Bryce Young or. 1873 01:32:52,060 --> 01:32:54,020 I think will be the three options there. 1874 01:32:55,100 --> 01:32:57,700 Any thoughts on that debate in a Josh Allen team? 1875 01:32:57,700 --> 01:33:00,100 Why? Do we need to do it this round? 1876 01:33:00,100 --> 01:33:03,420 Why don't we? Well, because the quarterbacks 1877 01:33:03,420 --> 01:33:04,460 go. The quarterback. 1878 01:33:04,460 --> 01:33:06,620 I have noticed this the last couple days. 1879 01:33:06,660 --> 01:33:10,580 Like if Stafford goes, that's your Canary in the coal mine. 1880 01:33:10,580 --> 01:33:12,820 Because there's no reason to take Stafford right now. 1881 01:33:13,220 --> 01:33:16,190 That you and I mean. Yeah, that. 1882 01:33:16,190 --> 01:33:17,950 That's The thing is like, I just don't want to risk. 1883 01:33:17,950 --> 01:33:19,390 Like this guy only has one quarterback. 1884 01:33:19,390 --> 01:33:21,310 I just think it's kind of playing it cute to risk. 1885 01:33:21,750 --> 01:33:22,630 Yeah, don't. Do you wanna? 1886 01:33:22,630 --> 01:33:24,470 Do you want to debase yourself by taking? 1887 01:33:24,470 --> 01:33:26,150 Do we want to have to take, like, Strout? 1888 01:33:26,150 --> 01:33:28,790 Yeah. Jimmy Garoppolo or Kyler on sax. 1889 01:33:28,790 --> 01:33:30,670 I think we should. I I mean, we're also gonna be 1890 01:33:30,670 --> 01:33:31,830 taking Deontay Hardy in this team. 1891 01:33:31,830 --> 01:33:33,670 No one's gonna take this that guy either. 1892 01:33:33,670 --> 01:33:35,430 So, Ritter, what do you think? Ritter? 1893 01:33:36,950 --> 01:33:38,790 I like Ritter here. OK, yeah, let's take Ritter 1894 01:33:39,830 --> 01:33:44,350 loves Ritter. Yeah, I feel like they both. 1895 01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:47,680 I was trying to think through like we kind of just want a guy 1896 01:33:47,680 --> 01:33:49,720 who's going to be starting and not getting benched. 1897 01:33:49,720 --> 01:33:52,080 But you can make arguments for both getting benched. 1898 01:33:52,480 --> 01:33:56,960 Well, if Ritter, if Ritter gets benched, I forget who made this 1899 01:33:56,960 --> 01:33:58,160 point. I think it was Peter. 1900 01:33:58,840 --> 01:34:02,280 But that if Ritter gets benched, he's not going to get benched 1901 01:34:02,440 --> 01:34:05,200 quickly. It's going to be a lot of bad 1902 01:34:05,360 --> 01:34:09,720 games and like, you know, six really bad games, five really 1903 01:34:09,720 --> 01:34:12,760 bad games, four really bad games that your fourth round, Drake 1904 01:34:12,760 --> 01:34:16,140 London team is having fun staying poor if Ridder gets 1905 01:34:16,140 --> 01:34:18,140 benched. So how I played your 1906 01:34:18,140 --> 01:34:20,820 structurally guys is one more wide receiver and one more 1907 01:34:20,820 --> 01:34:22,940 running back. I think given we waited so long 1908 01:34:22,940 --> 01:34:27,340 to take our RV2, I don't think this team needs 9 wide receivers 1909 01:34:27,580 --> 01:34:30,820 since we got I agree trail on Burks is a wide receiver 5 here. 1910 01:34:31,580 --> 01:34:34,300 So I'd take Hardy here, cuz I just don't wanna get sniped on 1911 01:34:34,540 --> 01:34:36,620 that correlation piece and then we'll just see what. 1912 01:34:37,220 --> 01:34:38,980 Rose running back falls to us. I kind of wanted to. 1913 01:34:38,980 --> 01:34:41,340 Take party over Ritter, to be completely honest. 1914 01:34:41,340 --> 01:34:43,900 Just because. OK, have the Tannehill backstop. 1915 01:34:44,540 --> 01:34:45,900 Yeah. So I definitely would like to 1916 01:34:45,900 --> 01:34:48,220 take Hardy here. Yeah, I think maybe a third 1917 01:34:48,740 --> 01:34:51,920 tight end is also in play. Yeah, it's in play. 1918 01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:53,840 I was. I was thinking Knox would have 1919 01:34:53,840 --> 01:34:56,240 been interesting too. We maybe should have considered 1920 01:34:56,240 --> 01:34:59,880 that I take, I take those guys together, yeah, I take, I take 1921 01:34:59,880 --> 01:35:02,680 Knox and I take Knox and Kincaid together, which is like the 1922 01:35:02,680 --> 01:35:05,520 ultimate handcuck. I think though structurally like 1923 01:35:05,520 --> 01:35:08,760 we spent two pretty high capital side end picks. 1924 01:35:09,320 --> 01:35:11,840 That's the one thing I cannot have work. 1925 01:35:12,700 --> 01:35:17,340 If Knox and and Kincaid is what you need, I legit might like 1926 01:35:17,340 --> 01:35:20,780 close down legendary upside and like move to top. 1927 01:35:20,780 --> 01:35:23,580 That Pat's gonna become Pat's gonna become an insurance 1928 01:35:23,580 --> 01:35:25,900 salesman. If not, no kincaider on the 1929 01:35:25,900 --> 01:35:27,740 winning. It's just like you're gonna have 1930 01:35:27,740 --> 01:35:31,540 to, like you're gonna have to find me like 20 years from now, 1931 01:35:31,540 --> 01:35:33,260 you I'm gonna have a beard. It's always be like. 1932 01:35:33,830 --> 01:35:37,230 Pat find me on vacation on some random island. 1933 01:35:37,230 --> 01:35:39,270 Can you can you pull up one of these comments from the chat. 1934 01:35:39,270 --> 01:35:42,190 Can you pull up the Kyron is your upside late running back 1935 01:35:42,190 --> 01:35:46,350 play fundamental misunderstanding of what Kyron 1936 01:35:46,350 --> 01:35:48,270 Williams is. Kyron Williams is not an upside 1937 01:35:48,270 --> 01:35:50,470 play in any way. He is an unathletic. 1938 01:35:51,550 --> 01:35:54,110 You're the most he is Miles Gaskin. 1939 01:35:54,350 --> 01:35:57,990 He is Clyde Edwards Lair. He is what Kyron Williams is, is 1940 01:35:57,990 --> 01:36:01,700 if on a Breeze team, on a jumante team, on a Jonathan 1941 01:36:01,700 --> 01:36:04,740 Taylor team, you just need a guy who is going to be active and 1942 01:36:04,740 --> 01:36:07,780 playing in games for the first month, the first month of the 1943 01:36:07,780 --> 01:36:11,140 season and can maybe get, you know 10111213 points. 1944 01:36:11,140 --> 01:36:15,380 Kyron is is not. Sean Tucker is an upside running 1945 01:36:15,380 --> 01:36:19,100 back play Kiante Ingram. I think you could argue is isn't 1946 01:36:19,140 --> 01:36:21,180 yes. Yeah, he's a We can't. 1947 01:36:21,180 --> 01:36:23,220 We can't adjust these rosters ever. 1948 01:36:23,260 --> 01:36:24,940 All the points need to be drafted. 1949 01:36:25,220 --> 01:36:27,260 Zamir White Much better upside play. 1950 01:36:27,790 --> 01:36:30,630 Yeah, Damir White a better. Which on this build, I think you 1951 01:36:30,630 --> 01:36:32,870 can kind of argue what we need honestly. 1952 01:36:32,870 --> 01:36:38,150 Like we're kind of a little bit thin for RB 2 points but I I 1953 01:36:38,150 --> 01:36:41,430 would be leaning on the upside over the Kyron type on this 1954 01:36:41,430 --> 01:36:44,390 build cuz we have we gotta assume that John White is gonna 1955 01:36:44,390 --> 01:36:47,790 be oh I meant to I meant to read these Deonte Hardy stats off 1956 01:36:47,790 --> 01:36:50,750 earlier cuz I I haven't really done any research in them 1957 01:36:50,750 --> 01:36:52,950 despite completely packing my bags. 1958 01:36:53,150 --> 01:36:56,550 He's basically one of these guys who because he didn't. 1959 01:36:56,910 --> 01:37:00,830 He was not like a super elite. He didn't go to like a big high 1960 01:37:00,830 --> 01:37:03,590 school and he wasn't like a five star prospect or whatever. 1961 01:37:04,190 --> 01:37:09,110 He scored 17 return touchdowns and D2. 1962 01:37:09,430 --> 01:37:12,670 He set the D2 records for all time scrimmage yards he had 1963 01:37:12,670 --> 01:37:15,190 over. He had over 6000 all-purpose 1964 01:37:15,190 --> 01:37:18,390 yards. He like he was like you know 1965 01:37:18,390 --> 01:37:21,630 that the comp for him would be like a Miles Austin type guy. 1966 01:37:21,630 --> 01:37:24,790 Like a guy who just went to one of these small schools and just 1967 01:37:24,790 --> 01:37:28,860 was like unreal. I I feel so good about the 1968 01:37:28,860 --> 01:37:31,940 Deonte Hardy bet like he he just he just like does it all. 1969 01:37:33,780 --> 01:37:40,420 The thing about Hardy, like Hardy, is it's 2025 and over 1970 01:37:40,940 --> 01:37:45,500 the, you know, 2023 and 2024. There was no production. 1971 01:37:45,940 --> 01:37:48,460 But then Rasheed. Shaheed ends up on the bills. 1972 01:37:49,420 --> 01:37:51,940 That's the best. It's like, yeah, super easy. 1973 01:37:51,940 --> 01:37:52,780 Literally. Just Rasheed. 1974 01:37:52,780 --> 01:37:55,760 Shaheed. Didn't do much for two years and 1975 01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:59,320 then finds his way as a starter on the Bills, but he was so 1976 01:37:59,400 --> 01:38:01,960 Hardy. Hardy's had some injuries as a 1977 01:38:01,960 --> 01:38:05,840 member of the Saints, but he like when he was available. 1978 01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:09,120 I mean he was good last year like he was a productive player 1979 01:38:09,120 --> 01:38:13,480 for them last year and he's like a stud returner which the stud 1980 01:38:13,480 --> 01:38:15,480 returning doesn't matter so much for fantasy. 1981 01:38:15,480 --> 01:38:20,060 But it's it was one of actually one of the first really useful 1982 01:38:20,060 --> 01:38:22,380 Rd. of his tools where it was like these guys who are really 1983 01:38:22,380 --> 01:38:25,900 good returners that correlates well with fantasy production 1984 01:38:26,220 --> 01:38:32,140 because I guess just because it is a number of it shows vision 1985 01:38:32,220 --> 01:38:35,020 and like and agility problem by. Athleticism. 1986 01:38:35,500 --> 01:38:37,940 Yes. Yeah, so. 1987 01:38:38,500 --> 01:38:41,220 Let's talk through our decision here. 1988 01:38:41,220 --> 01:38:43,940 These are sort of the running backs that I'm interested in 1989 01:38:43,940 --> 01:38:47,750 that are still available. The Tucker is on Tucker with 1990 01:38:47,750 --> 01:38:50,110 white. Yeah, I think it's an 1991 01:38:50,110 --> 01:38:53,350 interesting one cuz we got white at a pretty big it's it's a 1992 01:38:53,350 --> 01:38:58,670 good, I mean I would probably take Daudle, but Tucker seems 1993 01:38:58,670 --> 01:39:01,390 fine too. Yeah, I'm actually OK. 1994 01:39:01,390 --> 01:39:05,710 So we have Christian McCaffrey who's going to smash, and he's 1995 01:39:05,750 --> 01:39:08,150 not only is going to smash, he's going to smash in Week 17. 1996 01:39:08,590 --> 01:39:11,630 So we were looking for like one other running back score. 1997 01:39:11,710 --> 01:39:14,410 I actually kind of don't mind. Tucker got Tucker. 1998 01:39:14,610 --> 01:39:15,370 Wow. OK, well. 1999 01:39:15,570 --> 01:39:16,690 There you go. I don't know if these guys are 2000 01:39:16,690 --> 01:39:19,650 watching, but they're just demolishing my queue right now, 2001 01:39:19,650 --> 01:39:23,570 but I would probably go Dowdle or Ingram here. 2002 01:39:23,610 --> 01:39:26,650 I'm Ingram Ingram. Yeah, that's fine with. 2003 01:39:26,730 --> 01:39:27,570 Me. You guys want Ingram? 2004 01:39:28,050 --> 01:39:31,770 Ingram is just more there. There is literally zero question 2005 01:39:31,770 --> 01:39:33,250 that he's the second running back there. 2006 01:39:33,250 --> 01:39:35,450 Whereas with Dowdle you could be like, well, Ronald Jones is 2007 01:39:35,450 --> 01:39:37,690 suspended juice. Vaughn's gonna get the package 2008 01:39:37,690 --> 01:39:40,130 stuff like, yeah. Yeah, seems like the only way 2009 01:39:40,130 --> 01:39:42,730 for them to play James Connor at the end of the year, yeah. 2010 01:39:45,530 --> 01:39:47,330 Yeah, I get it. I think they're both. 2011 01:39:47,410 --> 01:39:49,810 They're both fine picks. I'm happy to get outvoted. 2012 01:39:49,810 --> 01:39:52,330 I would have been daddled there, just cuz we're talking about 2013 01:39:52,330 --> 01:39:54,330 Dallas Cowboys versus Arizona Cardinals. 2014 01:39:54,330 --> 01:39:56,530 But I don't think Ingram's a terrible pick by any means. 2015 01:39:56,530 --> 01:39:58,170 I get the certainty there for sure. 2016 01:39:58,570 --> 01:40:02,250 We did take some Philadelphia players, so little mini 2017 01:40:02,250 --> 01:40:06,850 correlation. With Imagine Kian got her. 2018 01:40:06,850 --> 01:40:09,050 Kiante Ingram is this year's ERTS Algier. 2019 01:40:13,120 --> 01:40:16,040 The urge Algeer thing. You were right. 2020 01:40:16,440 --> 01:40:17,280 It was just. I was right. 2021 01:40:17,280 --> 01:40:21,680 It was just McBride Algeer. It was just the young tiger 2022 01:40:21,680 --> 01:40:22,560 that. Isn't that so? 2023 01:40:22,560 --> 01:40:25,080 Isn't that so funny, though, that, like, the meme of last 2024 01:40:25,080 --> 01:40:27,080 basketball summer, like, actually came through? 2025 01:40:27,520 --> 01:40:31,640 It came through in a huge way, like Algeer was a smash, and the 2026 01:40:31,800 --> 01:40:33,480 correlated tight end was a smash. 2027 01:40:35,800 --> 01:40:39,910 Yeah I don't know have you guys, have you guys had this that I 2028 01:40:39,910 --> 01:40:42,830 I've been doing less week 17 correlation just cuz there are 2029 01:40:42,830 --> 01:40:45,910 so many guys I wanna be drafting like there are like so many 2030 01:40:45,910 --> 01:40:47,030 guys. I'm just trying to get my 2031 01:40:47,030 --> 01:40:49,790 exposures on that. I'm doing like less week 17 like 2032 01:40:49,790 --> 01:40:51,550 as my player takes it solidified. 2033 01:40:51,790 --> 01:40:54,350 I'm just like obviously still doing the team stacks, but like 2034 01:40:54,350 --> 01:40:58,270 less bring back type stuff. Yeah, I've had some trouble with 2035 01:40:58,270 --> 01:41:01,950 the bring backs. I know what you mean. 2036 01:41:02,070 --> 01:41:03,670 I'm just like, I'm taking this guy, I'm taking this guy, I'm 2037 01:41:03,670 --> 01:41:05,590 taking this guy. Also, things are getting a 2038 01:41:05,590 --> 01:41:08,430 little looser in the rooms and people are going a little more 2039 01:41:08,430 --> 01:41:09,990 loose. You know, they're taking the 2040 01:41:09,990 --> 01:41:11,990 quarterback like they're blowing up your stacks. 2041 01:41:12,070 --> 01:41:16,390 And so I've been having a pivot, so I have more kind of like 2042 01:41:16,390 --> 01:41:20,270 unstacked game stacks. And also I've just been timing 2043 01:41:20,270 --> 01:41:22,590 out and taking unstacked quarterbacks occasionally 2044 01:41:23,190 --> 01:41:24,910 because of these, because of the Internet out here. 2045 01:41:25,310 --> 01:41:27,510 So yeah, that has happened. Yeah. 2046 01:41:27,590 --> 01:41:31,440 I've always like I. Definitely prioritize week 17, 2047 01:41:31,440 --> 01:41:33,760 but I always kind of think of it as a tie break. 2048 01:41:33,760 --> 01:41:36,360 As I learned in Best Ball Brunch, Week 17 is just a 2049 01:41:36,360 --> 01:41:38,600 tiebreaker. If you guys watched that video, 2050 01:41:38,600 --> 01:41:40,440 they were pretty clear about that in the intro. 2051 01:41:40,640 --> 01:41:43,520 Still haven't, still haven't seen, still haven't watched it. 2052 01:41:43,560 --> 01:41:47,640 But Levitan Levitan was tweeting that he had to watch it. 2053 01:41:47,640 --> 01:41:50,360 He had to watch it to do his solo pod because every question 2054 01:41:50,360 --> 01:41:53,200 he got was about it. Did he watch the whole thing? 2055 01:41:54,840 --> 01:41:55,560 I don't. He hasn't. 2056 01:41:55,600 --> 01:41:57,400 I don't. Think he I feel like was back 2057 01:41:57,400 --> 01:42:00,650 yet that's like. Levitan couldn't have concocted 2058 01:42:00,650 --> 01:42:03,490 a better solo pod like Topic in a it's really good. 2059 01:42:03,610 --> 01:42:06,890 It's really perfect for his brand, but the best small brunch 2060 01:42:06,890 --> 01:42:08,810 solo pod. I can't believe he hasn't done 2061 01:42:08,810 --> 01:42:15,490 like a watch along. Yeah, yeah, I do. 2062 01:42:15,530 --> 01:42:15,970 Yeah. There. 2063 01:42:16,010 --> 01:42:19,370 I mean, I there's some kind of structural issues I had with 2064 01:42:19,410 --> 01:42:21,570 with their draft. They reached some out of 2065 01:42:21,570 --> 01:42:23,130 feeling. But besides that, it was, you 2066 01:42:23,130 --> 01:42:24,970 know, pretty. Pretty solid team overall. 2067 01:42:24,970 --> 01:42:27,290 We can we can maybe review it next year on ADP JS. 2068 01:42:27,290 --> 01:42:29,050 It could be the the first episode of February. 2069 01:42:32,690 --> 01:42:35,530 OK anyways let's let's do a quick recap of this team and 2070 01:42:35,530 --> 01:42:42,010 then get out of here. So we went with A2682 build got 2071 01:42:42,010 --> 01:42:48,730 the Bills and Atlanta stacked up here kick it to you first Davis, 2072 01:42:48,730 --> 01:42:50,050 what are your what are your thoughts on this team. 2073 01:42:51,600 --> 01:42:55,360 I think this is a good team. It's you know, I mean we we're 2074 01:42:55,360 --> 01:42:58,400 we're betting on Kincaids. What does Donovan Peoples Jones 2075 01:42:58,400 --> 01:43:00,200 do for this team? Absolutely nothing. 2076 01:43:00,200 --> 01:43:00,600 Yeah. Nothing. 2077 01:43:00,840 --> 01:43:03,560 Yeah. Bad, bad, bad pick should have 2078 01:43:03,560 --> 01:43:06,520 taken. Yes, out there Wandale, I mean 2079 01:43:06,520 --> 01:43:10,040 Wandale is going to Wandale is going to lead the NFC and 2080 01:43:10,040 --> 01:43:12,480 targets per route run and the haters are just going to be 2081 01:43:12,880 --> 01:43:16,600 crying and and and rent the rending their garments on the 2082 01:43:16,600 --> 01:43:18,040 streets. It's going to be, it's going to 2083 01:43:18,040 --> 01:43:19,800 be a tough scene. I do. 2084 01:43:21,360 --> 01:43:23,680 Yeah, and the targets per outrun leagues, that's going to be 2085 01:43:23,680 --> 01:43:25,880 really nice on his like 11 routes per game. 2086 01:43:25,880 --> 01:43:27,560 That's going to be really, You can't. 2087 01:43:27,560 --> 01:43:28,480 You don't. You don't keep. 2088 01:43:28,480 --> 01:43:30,600 You don't keep guys that good off the field. 2089 01:43:30,600 --> 01:43:33,920 He is going to dust off Hodgins and Slayton and all these losers 2090 01:43:33,920 --> 01:43:35,440 so fast. Wandale Robinson. 2091 01:43:35,600 --> 01:43:38,600 Get per pound, per pound more dog than DK Metcalf. 2092 01:43:38,640 --> 01:43:42,560 That's just the fact, so much more dog than DK Metcalf. 2093 01:43:42,800 --> 01:43:45,240 The thing about the running backroom, I do really like doing 2094 01:43:45,240 --> 01:43:48,960 this on McCaffrey teams where you get one dust ball, our dust 2095 01:43:48,960 --> 01:43:53,280 ball is Rashad White and then you just take nothing but guys 2096 01:43:53,280 --> 01:43:55,640 who have. I guess Hubbard maybe is kind of 2097 01:43:55,640 --> 01:43:58,160 a dust ball in the sense that I don't think he's that good but 2098 01:43:58,160 --> 01:44:00,600 can get carries. But a chain Algae or and Ingram 2099 01:44:00,600 --> 01:44:04,370 are like exactly the types of bets you want to layer in there. 2100 01:44:04,370 --> 01:44:07,130 And also the two Philly guys with Josh Allen. 2101 01:44:07,130 --> 01:44:10,330 It is just the fun What if? What if Jail and Hertz misses a 2102 01:44:10,330 --> 01:44:12,850 playoff game again? But but Gardner? 2103 01:44:12,970 --> 01:44:14,210 Who's their back? Mariota. 2104 01:44:15,210 --> 01:44:16,930 Never mind, I'm taking this back, Mariota's. 2105 01:44:17,290 --> 01:44:22,090 It's a Heineke, no? No. 2106 01:44:23,410 --> 01:44:26,490 Like like what happened in the playoffs last year where Hertz 2107 01:44:26,490 --> 01:44:29,290 missed a game but all the Eagle skill position players did fine 2108 01:44:29,290 --> 01:44:31,730 because Minshu scored thirty points against the Cowboys. 2109 01:44:32,870 --> 01:44:36,270 The other thing is that like this, it can be optimal to have 2110 01:44:36,270 --> 01:44:41,790 Hertz, Goddard and Smith and we could still win because we have 2111 01:44:41,790 --> 01:44:45,790 Josh out so he can he can score like 3 points less than Hertz. 2112 01:44:46,230 --> 01:44:49,830 And like this, there's going to be enough differentiation 2113 01:44:49,830 --> 01:44:53,190 between the rest of the lineup and those lineups that have, 2114 01:44:53,190 --> 01:44:55,590 like how many Hertz, Goddard, Smith teams are in the final, 2115 01:44:55,590 --> 01:44:59,230 like 4, so. That's the thing I yeah, people 2116 01:44:59,230 --> 01:45:02,190 overthink that of like you need this perfect team to win. 2117 01:45:02,730 --> 01:45:05,290 That Pat seen last year did not have Mike at. 2118 01:45:05,290 --> 01:45:08,970 Like if you show me the week 17 in advance, I would say you need 2119 01:45:08,970 --> 01:45:10,810 Mike Evan. You need the Brady Evans sack. 2120 01:45:11,250 --> 01:45:13,210 You did not have Evans. You didn't even need Brady in 2121 01:45:13,210 --> 01:45:17,410 your lineup and you still won. So you people overthink 400 2122 01:45:17,410 --> 01:45:20,450 person tournament where the ownership and roster ship is 2123 01:45:20,450 --> 01:45:22,730 going to be all scrambled up because of what happens in the 2124 01:45:22,730 --> 01:45:25,890 regular season. Week 15 Week 16, like Josh 2125 01:45:25,890 --> 01:45:28,530 Allen, can. Actually be outscored by Hertz 2126 01:45:28,530 --> 01:45:30,810 by 5 points and this team can still. 2127 01:45:30,930 --> 01:45:32,010 Win. They can still win. 2128 01:45:32,010 --> 01:45:35,610 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's. It's not that obviously if he 2129 01:45:35,610 --> 01:45:38,570 gets outscored by 10/15/20, that's where it's like, OK, this 2130 01:45:38,650 --> 01:45:40,810 one's dead. But yeah, we just need him to 2131 01:45:40,810 --> 01:45:43,250 like, stay close with Hertz though, which is totally viable. 2132 01:45:43,810 --> 01:45:46,850 And it's also possible that, like it's Smith that you need. 2133 01:45:46,850 --> 01:45:50,250 Hertz has a great game, but Alan and Kincaid go off and I get to 2134 01:45:50,930 --> 01:45:54,770 take a victory lap on Dalton Kincaid, which is just, I mean 2135 01:45:54,770 --> 01:45:56,690 now that's the only thing I want. 2136 01:45:57,180 --> 01:45:59,300 Yeah, that would be a funnier verse like your lab. 2137 01:45:59,300 --> 01:46:02,420 What I also like about this team is I think it's actually, if you 2138 01:46:02,420 --> 01:46:06,980 take a tight end in the Kittle Goddard hits like Elite but not 2139 01:46:06,980 --> 01:46:09,660 quite elite tier. I think it's actually a little 2140 01:46:09,660 --> 01:46:13,460 bit thin if you just pair that guy with like your super late 2141 01:46:13,460 --> 01:46:15,860 Tyler Conklin or Kate Otten or whatever. 2142 01:46:16,180 --> 01:46:19,220 Because I think like these types of guys, Goddard, Kittle can 2143 01:46:19,220 --> 01:46:22,020 actually be like pretty low advance rate if they just have 2144 01:46:22,060 --> 01:46:24,700 sort of disappointing regular seasons and it's gonna be hard 2145 01:46:24,700 --> 01:46:28,450 to sneak them through. I think by I hate taking got her 2146 01:46:28,490 --> 01:46:31,410 most of the time, honestly. I love. 2147 01:46:31,490 --> 01:46:32,770 I love God this year. But. 2148 01:46:33,610 --> 01:46:35,570 I like got her too. I don't think I have a ton of 2149 01:46:35,570 --> 01:46:38,770 them, but it's only because I still was taking pits. 2150 01:46:39,610 --> 01:46:43,650 Which, you know, anytime you can take the 4th target, anytime, 2151 01:46:43,730 --> 01:46:46,770 anytime you could take Mac Collins's direct backup. 2152 01:46:46,810 --> 01:46:48,210 You just you gotta do it. You. 2153 01:46:49,890 --> 01:46:52,250 Gotta do it anytime you take guys gonna run less routes than 2154 01:46:52,250 --> 01:46:54,910 Johnny Smith and Parker Hessey. Oh my God. 2155 01:46:54,910 --> 01:46:58,230 The Johnny Smith bit like coming back alive like them trading the 2156 01:46:58,230 --> 01:47:00,630 seventh round pick for Jonu Smith and him like on. 2157 01:47:00,630 --> 01:47:03,390 Ironically, running routes is just gonna be awful. 2158 01:47:03,990 --> 01:47:06,510 Yeah, but 11% got it for me. I was. 2159 01:47:06,630 --> 01:47:10,910 I was in. Yeah, I was around that for 2160 01:47:10,910 --> 01:47:14,790 Goddard. Yeah, I think it's a good team. 2161 01:47:16,750 --> 01:47:19,430 I think, you know, if I'm gonna make sense, Rashad White shares. 2162 01:47:19,430 --> 01:47:24,490 This is the way to do it. Past ADP and literally forced to 2163 01:47:24,490 --> 01:47:29,050 do so and. So my my hands tied behind my 2164 01:47:29,050 --> 01:47:31,970 back, blindfolded. That's usually my preferred way 2165 01:47:32,010 --> 01:47:35,170 to take Michelle's. ADP and kidnapped, that's how. 2166 01:47:36,290 --> 01:47:36,650 Michelle. What? 2167 01:47:38,530 --> 01:47:41,370 Yeah, I guess I disagree with like DPJ. 2168 01:47:42,170 --> 01:47:43,690 I think you guys are wrong about DPJ. 2169 01:47:43,690 --> 01:47:46,690 I think he's a smash at 171. You're just getting the Browns 2170 01:47:47,130 --> 01:47:50,290 starting wide receiver for free. Like, he just doesn't. 2171 01:47:50,820 --> 01:47:52,460 He just isn't really that good. I don't. 2172 01:47:52,620 --> 01:47:54,940 He had 800 yards. He had 800 yards last year. 2173 01:47:57,060 --> 01:48:00,420 I mean, Cedric Tillman's coming for that, for that deep, deep 2174 01:48:00,420 --> 01:48:02,580 threat role, isn't he? Marquee's good when they talked 2175 01:48:02,580 --> 01:48:05,860 up a ton as a deep threat and he's back. 2176 01:48:05,860 --> 01:48:07,980 He's back with the team. He had blood clot issues and now 2177 01:48:07,980 --> 01:48:09,340 he's back. So I don't know. 2178 01:48:09,340 --> 01:48:11,700 I think DPJ could end up as a rotational guy to end the year. 2179 01:48:12,660 --> 01:48:15,840 He's not. Thinking Yeah, I guess So what 2180 01:48:15,840 --> 01:48:17,680 do you win when you win? What do you win when? 2181 01:48:17,680 --> 01:48:21,480 You're right, the Donovan Peoples Jones is the Zay Jones 2182 01:48:21,480 --> 01:48:25,760 of the Browns offense. I do have 7% DPJ, so maybe I 2183 01:48:25,760 --> 01:48:29,520 should be on the same side here. I wonder if I've taken him once. 2184 01:48:30,880 --> 01:48:33,000 He's good. Like he had 800 yards on the 2185 01:48:33,000 --> 01:48:35,760 Jacobi percent, like very low pass volume. 2186 01:48:35,760 --> 01:48:39,400 Then the Deshaun Watson. Absolute shit show offense. 2187 01:48:39,520 --> 01:48:42,040 I get Elijah Moore wasn't there, but I don't think that changes 2188 01:48:42,040 --> 01:48:45,720 what DBJ is doing on this. Well, it's it's two guys, right? 2189 01:48:45,720 --> 01:48:49,000 It's Tillman, It's Tillman and more who can put pressure on his 2190 01:48:49,000 --> 01:48:50,040 targets. Yeah. 2191 01:48:50,080 --> 01:48:54,120 But I mean, Tillman's just kind of in the Anthony Schwartz and I 2192 01:48:54,120 --> 01:48:56,840 guess. For me, the larger, the larger 2193 01:48:56,840 --> 01:49:01,080 thing for me is that I think that week 17 game is like maybe 2194 01:49:01,080 --> 01:49:04,680 the least attractive week 17 game, like two run heavy teams 2195 01:49:04,680 --> 01:49:08,610 and bad weather. It just it's so it's people, 2196 01:49:08,610 --> 01:49:11,010 people are they're laughing about it now. 2197 01:49:11,130 --> 01:49:13,090 They are not going to be laughing when the total for that 2198 01:49:13,090 --> 01:49:15,890 game is 33 1/2. Like they are not going to think 2199 01:49:15,890 --> 01:49:18,450 it's funny. Davis, if you have, if you have 2200 01:49:18,450 --> 01:49:21,530 zero teams in the finals across all your teams, but there's a 2201 01:49:21,530 --> 01:49:25,010 bad weather game, are you gonna victory laugh that spike the 2202 01:49:25,010 --> 01:49:28,530 football just just be like, Oh yeah, you guys drafted all these 2203 01:49:28,530 --> 01:49:30,250 Jets players. Congrats. 2204 01:49:31,780 --> 01:49:35,860 What you have to today you have to tweet out The Jets total. 2205 01:49:35,860 --> 01:49:39,700 The Jets Browns total being 33. Because if it actually is 33, 2206 01:49:40,180 --> 01:49:42,060 that's gonna be an all time victory lap. 2207 01:49:42,100 --> 01:49:44,500 And if it's like a high total, you'll just delete the tweet. 2208 01:49:44,500 --> 01:49:47,500 So it's a win, win. I gotta see. 2209 01:49:47,780 --> 01:49:50,460 There's gotta be a place that has Week 17 lines up. 2210 01:49:50,700 --> 01:49:54,320 It's a Thursday night game too. Oh my God, people. 2211 01:49:54,440 --> 01:49:57,840 The people. The people have been hoodwinks, 2212 01:49:57,840 --> 01:50:01,960 dude. Not the Thursday, December 28th 2213 01:50:02,000 --> 01:50:05,200 outdoor game. No, so. 2214 01:50:07,040 --> 01:50:10,640 You're saying the Garrett Wilson, Alan Lazard and Rogers 2215 01:50:10,640 --> 01:50:12,600 stacks not not looking so good anymore? 2216 01:50:13,120 --> 01:50:14,840 I I don't even take Garrett Wilson. 2217 01:50:14,840 --> 01:50:17,880 I mean, I I would only say that at the end of a 2 hour podcast 2218 01:50:17,880 --> 01:50:20,680 where where no one could hold me accountable for it, but I don't 2219 01:50:20,680 --> 01:50:23,360 even really take Garrett Wilson. Davis, I'm with you on that. 2220 01:50:23,480 --> 01:50:25,520 I was forced. Adams was gone. 2221 01:50:26,440 --> 01:50:28,160 All those guys are gone. That's the only reason I take 2222 01:50:28,160 --> 01:50:29,840 him. Should we review that, that team 2223 01:50:29,840 --> 01:50:31,320 or or what were you gonna say, Pat? 2224 01:50:31,760 --> 01:50:34,600 Well, no, I think, I think this is kind of a fun thing of like 2225 01:50:34,600 --> 01:50:35,720 who? And I don't know. 2226 01:50:35,720 --> 01:50:37,080 I need to think of who this actually is. 2227 01:50:37,080 --> 01:50:40,880 But who's like the the cool, like sexy player that like you 2228 01:50:40,880 --> 01:50:43,920 never really take the Garrett Wilson. 2229 01:50:43,960 --> 01:50:47,080 It's Garrett Wilson for me. Yeah, it's not even that I I 2230 01:50:47,080 --> 01:50:49,800 think Garrett Wilson is awesome. I think he's great. 2231 01:50:50,400 --> 01:50:53,680 It's just that he goes head of a Monroe St. 2232 01:50:53,680 --> 01:50:56,320 Brown sometimes and I always take St. 2233 01:50:56,320 --> 01:50:58,560 Brown and if St. Brown's gone I I almost always 2234 01:50:58,560 --> 01:51:01,600 take Adams. Cuz Adams has, Adams has like 2235 01:51:01,600 --> 01:51:04,760 all the outs, right He's got he's got Jimmy Garoppolo plays 2236 01:51:04,880 --> 01:51:08,080 to Derek Carr's level. He's got he plays the Week 17 2237 01:51:08,080 --> 01:51:11,800 game in the Dome like he just like he's it's all set up for 2238 01:51:11,800 --> 01:51:13,640 Adams. Other than that he's 30. 2239 01:51:13,960 --> 01:51:16,480 I think mine might be like the one I don't want to like talk 2240 01:51:16,480 --> 01:51:18,480 about. Least one of them would be 2241 01:51:18,480 --> 01:51:20,460 Christian Watson. I don't. 2242 01:51:20,460 --> 01:51:22,420 Yeah. I got a little nervous and I 2243 01:51:22,420 --> 01:51:26,540 never really took someone. Someone said he's Green Bay 2244 01:51:26,540 --> 01:51:28,660 Packers Chase Claypool and I can't Unsee it. 2245 01:51:29,020 --> 01:51:31,540 Yeah, I ended up with 6%. I might have been the person 2246 01:51:31,540 --> 01:51:33,660 that said it, but. I got. 2247 01:51:34,180 --> 01:51:36,620 It with you, I'm sure. It was you. 2248 01:51:36,780 --> 01:51:41,540 I've been hearing that a lot. It's even eerie down to the fact 2249 01:51:41,860 --> 01:51:45,320 that Watson scored 9 receiving touchdowns and two rushing 2250 01:51:45,320 --> 01:51:47,280 touchdowns, the same way Claypool at 9 receiving 2251 01:51:47,280 --> 01:51:48,920 touchdowns and two rushing touchdowns. 2252 01:51:50,280 --> 01:51:51,480 Yeah, it's. We are. 2253 01:51:51,480 --> 01:51:55,880 Proud of it but I but I have a Christian Watson semi fade, soft 2254 01:51:55,880 --> 01:51:58,200 fade. So that that Claypool take 2255 01:51:58,200 --> 01:52:03,600 Davis, I I can't cite the numbers but I think JJ Zacharys 2256 01:52:03,640 --> 01:52:06,080 actually did like a breakdown of that on his pod and his 2257 01:52:06,080 --> 01:52:09,640 conclusion was like their rookie years are not that similar like 2258 01:52:09,640 --> 01:52:12,760 Watson's was in a completely different tier from Claypool's. 2259 01:52:13,190 --> 01:52:16,670 I do the stylistic comp though. I totally get like they scored 2260 01:52:16,670 --> 01:52:19,910 rushing touchdowns or these kind of freak athletes that were sort 2261 01:52:19,910 --> 01:52:22,110 of raw from a hands route running perspective. 2262 01:52:22,110 --> 01:52:25,990 But I'm I'm still very bullish on Watson. 2263 01:52:25,990 --> 01:52:28,310 I do I do see like Pat you being at 6% on him. 2264 01:52:28,310 --> 01:52:31,350 Like I think that's reasonable like given his price I don't 2265 01:52:31,350 --> 01:52:34,830 think that's a crazy take. But I I'm pretty in on Watson 2266 01:52:34,830 --> 01:52:38,590 this year. The one for me, the the sexy 2267 01:52:38,590 --> 01:52:41,890 player that I'm not. In on and don't really like to 2268 01:52:41,890 --> 01:52:44,850 talk about. Stan just unfolds a huge scroll, 2269 01:52:49,050 --> 01:52:52,250 in fact. I just want I wanna make one 2270 01:52:52,250 --> 01:52:54,290 more point on Brown's jets before you do this. 2271 01:52:54,570 --> 01:52:57,170 Nowhere we'll even post a total for it. 2272 01:52:57,570 --> 01:53:00,570 No one will even post a look at a total for it because they 2273 01:53:00,570 --> 01:53:03,210 don't wanna get hit with the bad weather. 2274 01:53:03,330 --> 01:53:06,330 They don't want to get hit with an unpredictable bad weather and 2275 01:53:06,330 --> 01:53:09,930 have a bunch of people who have tickets of under 39 1/2 and they 2276 01:53:09,930 --> 01:53:12,650 have to move the line to 32 the week of. 2277 01:53:14,690 --> 01:53:18,090 Hey listen as long as there's enough enough win for just a 2278 01:53:18,090 --> 01:53:21,250 million short check down still fully healthy briefs hall I 2279 01:53:21,330 --> 01:53:25,450 think I'll I'll survive it it's it's it's you could you could 2280 01:53:25,450 --> 01:53:29,290 paint it as bullish for for briefs right that that he just 2281 01:53:29,290 --> 01:53:32,210 gets 22 carries. You prefer it to be high 2282 01:53:32,210 --> 01:53:33,970 scoring, but it yeah, it could be bullish, sure. 2283 01:53:35,410 --> 01:53:38,450 Yeah, so mine. My take. 2284 01:53:38,450 --> 01:53:43,890 The sexy player that I don't. No, no, I have like, okay, Let's 2285 01:53:44,850 --> 01:53:46,850 do my other one first. That's maybe a software 2286 01:53:46,850 --> 01:53:52,650 discussion, but Jalen Waddell. Jalen Waddell is a player who I 2287 01:53:52,650 --> 01:53:57,850 have 2% of. So a couple things on Waddell. 2288 01:53:58,930 --> 01:54:01,500 Wow, one. I think he was priced in a 2289 01:54:01,500 --> 01:54:03,740 range. A lot of the offseason where you 2290 01:54:03,740 --> 01:54:06,420 had the choice of Tony Pollard, you had the choice of Nick Chubb 2291 01:54:06,420 --> 01:54:11,380 very early on, so I was not clicking him when that was 2292 01:54:11,380 --> 01:54:12,780 there. Now I have been taking him a 2293 01:54:12,780 --> 01:54:16,380 little bit more as those guys moved up #2 I think there's this 2294 01:54:16,380 --> 01:54:18,660 like we did this last year with Waddle and Tyreke. 2295 01:54:18,660 --> 01:54:22,380 It's like, ah, this is really like A1A1D situation, Tyreke and 2296 01:54:22,380 --> 01:54:25,620 Waddle. Waddle had like 60 more targets, 2297 01:54:25,660 --> 01:54:28,980 or sorry, Hill had like 60 more targets than Waddle last year. 2298 01:54:29,480 --> 01:54:33,360 Waddle ran insanely hot on efficiency, which is a good 2299 01:54:33,360 --> 01:54:36,320 like, we do want to see what if that's just who he is though? 2300 01:54:36,440 --> 01:54:40,000 I mean, I'm with you on the early fade, but I don't see how 2301 01:54:40,000 --> 01:54:42,160 you are not taking him now when, yeah. 2302 01:54:42,200 --> 01:54:44,960 He's been such a smash. And how are you not taking him 2303 01:54:44,960 --> 01:54:47,360 now? When are you just taking Olabe 2304 01:54:47,360 --> 01:54:51,600 over him every time? No, I'm taking. 2305 01:54:51,600 --> 01:54:54,570 So what I'm doing is. I think I have like 2% waddle. 2306 01:54:54,570 --> 01:54:57,690 I do take Devonta Smith over him, cuz I think Devonta Smith's 2307 01:54:57,690 --> 01:55:01,890 actually the more well-rounded, better wide receiver and I think 2308 01:55:02,050 --> 01:55:04,410 being attached to the Eagles offense is better than being 2309 01:55:04,410 --> 01:55:07,650 attached to the Dolphin. So this is the player, player 2310 01:55:07,650 --> 01:55:09,970 take. I don't have an opinion, but 2311 01:55:09,970 --> 01:55:15,410 structurally, don't you find that hard because you are you 2312 01:55:15,410 --> 01:55:18,010 it's just harder to get a quarterback stack with your high 2313 01:55:18,010 --> 01:55:20,570 capital guys, whereas it's much easier when you take Waddle. 2314 01:55:21,100 --> 01:55:23,260 So The thing is, I think maybe it's a little bit like I always 2315 01:55:23,260 --> 01:55:26,220 tell myself, oh, if I take Devonta here at 20, I have a 2316 01:55:26,220 --> 01:55:28,420 chance at the herd Devonta stack and I get him. 2317 01:55:28,740 --> 01:55:31,780 But I I do have like a decent bit of it actually. 2318 01:55:31,780 --> 01:55:34,460 But yeah, that gets. You get it about 40% of the. 2319 01:55:34,740 --> 01:55:36,100 Time. You do get it some percentage of 2320 01:55:36,100 --> 01:55:39,500 the time and I just think like man, I think Jalen Hurts passing 2321 01:55:39,500 --> 01:55:42,380 stats are gonna really spike this year. 2322 01:55:42,540 --> 01:55:45,300 I I think so the two of stuff, this is the second part of it. 2323 01:55:45,740 --> 01:55:47,620 I'm just not a Dolphins believer. 2324 01:55:47,620 --> 01:55:50,300 And this is more like you can say this is less. 2325 01:55:50,600 --> 01:55:53,680 You know analytical and more just like my own personal eye 2326 01:55:53,680 --> 01:55:56,000 test and vibe. The Dolphins offense that was 2327 01:55:56,000 --> 01:55:58,920 running through the NFL for the first half of the season last 2328 01:55:58,920 --> 01:56:01,560 year I don't think is going to be replicated this year. 2329 01:56:01,560 --> 01:56:04,120 Defense is adjusted to that. You can also blame it on like to 2330 01:56:04,120 --> 01:56:06,240 his injuries, his concussions, I get that. 2331 01:56:06,240 --> 01:56:09,440 But second-half of the year, that Dolphins offense with two O 2332 01:56:09,680 --> 01:56:12,680 was really struggling once the defense is adjusted. 2333 01:56:12,680 --> 01:56:15,880 And one of the big adjustments is they were playing waddle with 2334 01:56:15,920 --> 01:56:19,040 much more man press coverage instead of just letting him run 2335 01:56:19,040 --> 01:56:22,320 free in zone. And Waddle like, you look at the 2336 01:56:22,320 --> 01:56:25,040 reception perception stuff. Waddle's actually not like an 2337 01:56:25,040 --> 01:56:28,520 elite man press coverage beater. He's a small wide receiver, so 2338 01:56:28,760 --> 01:56:32,880 once teams made that adjustment, he actually struggled a little 2339 01:56:32,880 --> 01:56:35,680 bit and the Dolphins as a whole kind of tank. 2340 01:56:35,680 --> 01:56:40,000 So I just think Waddle like he's an awesome player, but I think 2341 01:56:40,000 --> 01:56:42,160 he's vastly overrated as a talent. 2342 01:56:42,160 --> 01:56:44,520 Like, give me Devonta Smith over him. 2343 01:56:45,500 --> 01:56:48,620 So that that's honestly where the faith comes down to is I I 2344 01:56:48,620 --> 01:56:53,180 just will not take him really over Devonta Smith and it sort 2345 01:56:53,180 --> 01:56:56,940 of comes down to that like if you use price like tea like I've 2346 01:56:56,940 --> 01:56:59,540 mixed some tea eggs more as he's falling to like 2728. 2347 01:57:00,900 --> 01:57:03,100 I think that's the fair price from Waddell and I just I just 2348 01:57:03,100 --> 01:57:06,220 want that Devonta Smith stack instead of the two, the two. 2349 01:57:06,380 --> 01:57:07,620 I don't. I don't agree with this 2350 01:57:07,620 --> 01:57:09,660 particular take, but it is going to be funny. 2351 01:57:09,660 --> 01:57:13,590 Like how many? Takes like this are going to be 2352 01:57:13,870 --> 01:57:15,870 completely right like that. Yeah. 2353 01:57:15,990 --> 01:57:20,070 We're like, so set in stuff like you cannot take Waddle over 2354 01:57:20,070 --> 01:57:22,670 Devonte Smith. And it's gonna be like Devonte 2355 01:57:22,750 --> 01:57:25,550 Smith could like crush Waddle, you know, like there's like T 2356 01:57:25,550 --> 01:57:27,990 Higgins could crush Garrett Wilson. 2357 01:57:28,110 --> 01:57:29,750 You know what? I mean these these like these 2358 01:57:29,750 --> 01:57:34,190 like micro ABP differences where you're like I can't believe that 2359 01:57:34,190 --> 01:57:36,670 and then it just ends up being like so right. 2360 01:57:37,150 --> 01:57:40,730 No, it is I I was. So many of those I'm gonna do a 2361 01:57:40,730 --> 01:57:43,330 thread probably later today maybe tomorrow about just like 2362 01:57:43,330 --> 01:57:46,570 stuff from week one last year that just proved to be like 2363 01:57:46,570 --> 01:57:52,450 hilariously like non signaled like Devonta Smith going 000 2364 01:57:52,450 --> 01:57:55,130 against the commanders in week one last year. 2365 01:57:55,130 --> 01:57:59,290 Like, so like so funny in retrospect you know there were 2366 01:57:59,290 --> 01:58:01,970 ten team leagues last year where Devonta Smith got dropped in 2367 01:58:01,970 --> 01:58:04,170 week 1 where they were like no I'm not doing this. 2368 01:58:04,170 --> 01:58:06,570 I'm not doing this with this guy like so funny. 2369 01:58:07,890 --> 01:58:09,730 I mean, if you wanted to do numbers, you gotta tweet it out. 2370 01:58:10,290 --> 01:58:15,130 Monday, OK, I guess we're doing it. 2371 01:58:16,010 --> 01:58:18,250 Yeah. That that would have been a fun 2372 01:58:18,290 --> 01:58:21,210 we should have done like a take purge or something. 2373 01:58:21,210 --> 01:58:23,810 One of those episodes where we just fire off all of our like 2374 01:58:24,370 --> 01:58:26,690 hot cuz the waddle thing. Honestly that this is a take 2375 01:58:26,690 --> 01:58:29,970 that's like I'm not advocating people fade waddle cuz like I 2376 01:58:29,970 --> 01:58:32,890 see how I. Yeah, that's why I wanted to 2377 01:58:32,890 --> 01:58:35,930 bring it up, cuz it's like there's got another guy for me. 2378 01:58:35,930 --> 01:58:38,640 I have 4% George Pickens. And I don't. 2379 01:58:38,640 --> 01:58:41,680 Oh, God, that that feel like that could be painful. 2380 01:58:41,680 --> 01:58:43,320 I feel like that. I feel like you might. 2381 01:58:43,560 --> 01:58:45,120 You might. Yeah. 2382 01:58:45,240 --> 01:58:45,920 That. You don't. 2383 01:58:46,040 --> 01:58:47,640 That's why you don't hear me talk about it. 2384 01:58:48,000 --> 01:58:50,960 Well, I guess The thing is, is that's easy. 2385 01:58:50,960 --> 01:58:53,680 It's actually much easier to imagine based on where he's 2386 01:58:53,680 --> 01:58:55,560 going now. But I know you've been drafting 2387 01:58:55,560 --> 01:58:58,840 since May, so that there's got to be a lot of teams where you 2388 01:58:58,840 --> 01:59:01,680 passed on George Pickens and like pick 81 or whatever. 2389 01:59:02,340 --> 01:59:05,100 Yeah, I didn't hammer him in the 7th, I didn't hammer him in the 2390 01:59:05,100 --> 01:59:06,980 light 6th. And then he got priced up and I 2391 01:59:06,980 --> 01:59:09,420 was like, I don't feel like chasing this and I just stayed 2392 01:59:09,420 --> 01:59:13,580 behind and it's like, so I don't, I'm not proud of the way 2393 01:59:13,580 --> 01:59:18,020 I played it and but I also am not a huge believer in the 2394 01:59:18,020 --> 01:59:19,980 player. Like I think he could be good, 2395 01:59:20,380 --> 01:59:23,300 but I'm not. I never got quite on board with 2396 01:59:23,300 --> 01:59:25,750 all the Steam. It's kind of like Ridley, like 2397 01:59:25,750 --> 01:59:27,670 where I was like OK, you know what I think I'm in and then 2398 01:59:27,790 --> 01:59:29,910 everyone's like great. He's 6 fix more expensive than 2399 01:59:30,430 --> 01:59:33,590 the price you thought. But I guess I need to come to 2400 01:59:33,590 --> 01:59:36,470 terms with that now. And Ridley is another guy like 2401 01:59:36,470 --> 01:59:40,910 that for me where I never really got on board and I kind of, I 2402 01:59:40,910 --> 01:59:44,190 kind of wish I, yeah, I only have 3% Ridley and I don't feel 2403 01:59:44,270 --> 01:59:46,070 that you didn't see that training camp clip. 2404 01:59:46,310 --> 01:59:48,550 It just passed. You just saw it and it was like 2405 01:59:48,550 --> 01:59:51,670 nothing to you. I mean that that one could 2406 01:59:51,670 --> 01:59:53,110 definitely hurt. But Ridley? 2407 01:59:53,620 --> 01:59:56,340 Because I didn't want to have a big fade on Ridley, but I 2408 01:59:56,340 --> 02:00:01,180 thought he was a little priced up in the at the 3-4 turn and 2409 02:00:01,180 --> 02:00:05,820 then he went to the to the late 2nd and I never I never 2410 02:00:05,820 --> 02:00:08,620 corrected. Yeah, I wish I was. 2411 02:00:08,660 --> 02:00:10,780 I was like mixing Ridley in at that 3/4. 2412 02:00:10,780 --> 02:00:13,940 I had a pretty similar experience to you, Pat, but I 2413 02:00:13,940 --> 02:00:16,470 just like chase it up more. I'm just like I don't want. 2414 02:00:17,070 --> 02:00:19,270 To be out on chasing it up, chasing, chasing up. 2415 02:00:19,670 --> 02:00:21,750 A lot of research has found this. 2416 02:00:21,750 --> 02:00:23,710 Gretch has done some stuff on this, but a lot of people have 2417 02:00:23,710 --> 02:00:27,870 finding out that actually, a lot of the time ADP risers don't 2418 02:00:27,870 --> 02:00:31,590 rise far enough that the market gets excited on them. 2419 02:00:31,590 --> 02:00:34,350 But then at a certain point they just say whoa, whoa whoa whoa, 2420 02:00:34,350 --> 02:00:37,110 hold the brakes. Maybe that's not the case with 2421 02:00:37,110 --> 02:00:40,230 Ridley, but I could easily see us looking back and being like, 2422 02:00:40,230 --> 02:00:42,490 wait. We were just taking the Andre 2423 02:00:42,490 --> 02:00:45,730 Hopkins over George Pickens all offseason for for what reason 2424 02:00:46,090 --> 02:00:47,330 were we doing that? You know I. 2425 02:00:47,410 --> 02:00:49,010 Can see that too. Yeah, that's another thing. 2426 02:00:49,010 --> 02:00:51,690 We're like, see that back to the waddle thing? 2427 02:00:51,690 --> 02:00:56,170 Like two was clear #2 wide receiver, in my opinion. 2428 02:00:56,210 --> 02:00:59,130 And what happened last year compared to Tyree goes ahead of 2429 02:00:59,370 --> 02:01:01,530 Trevor Lawrence's #1 wide receiver. 2430 02:01:02,130 --> 02:01:04,250 That could look really crazy in retrospect. 2431 02:01:04,250 --> 02:01:06,970 Like, obviously, I could be wrong about that, but we could 2432 02:01:06,970 --> 02:01:10,720 be like, so wait, we just like, we shot Ridley up the board. 2433 02:01:10,720 --> 02:01:12,080 But we said this is where he stops. 2434 02:01:12,080 --> 02:01:15,080 Like, we're still taking these #2 wide receivers over him. 2435 02:01:15,320 --> 02:01:18,520 That could look, yeah, obviously, you never know in 2436 02:01:18,520 --> 02:01:25,160 retrospect. But anyways, man, the hell of a 2437 02:01:25,160 --> 02:01:27,040 summer doing the show with you guys. 2438 02:01:28,560 --> 02:01:31,360 Two hours in, that's. I'm gonna be so fucking 2439 02:01:31,360 --> 02:01:34,280 depressed if I end all of this and don't have a team in any 2440 02:01:34,280 --> 02:01:36,460 final. If I if I just spent, if I just 2441 02:01:36,460 --> 02:01:39,100 spent my whole summer, like drafting until my eyes and 2442 02:01:39,100 --> 02:01:43,220 fingers bleed, I got my screen time report yesterday from this 2443 02:01:43,220 --> 02:01:47,620 last week of like really doing drafts. 8 hours and 36 minutes 2444 02:01:47,620 --> 02:01:50,500 of screen time the last week. I mean, what the fuck? 2445 02:01:51,900 --> 02:01:54,700 So here's what you do, Davis. Well, this is the next summer 2446 02:01:54,700 --> 02:01:57,700 tip. You turn your screen so that it 2447 02:01:57,700 --> 02:02:01,720 never times out. So that it stays on always, 2448 02:02:01,760 --> 02:02:03,560 right? Cuz that's actually a helpful 2449 02:02:03,560 --> 02:02:05,480 feature for when you're trying to do work and draft. 2450 02:02:05,800 --> 02:02:08,560 You can put the phone right there and you can just like use 2451 02:02:08,560 --> 02:02:12,760 the phone and then work on your computer, but also your screen 2452 02:02:12,760 --> 02:02:15,540 time report is now. Meaningless. 2453 02:02:15,540 --> 02:02:17,580 It's you've. It's not accurate. 2454 02:02:17,580 --> 02:02:21,260 It's it's it's 16. It's 16 hours a day. 16 hours. 2455 02:02:21,340 --> 02:02:24,380 But that's not real. And it might be 14 hours of real 2456 02:02:24,380 --> 02:02:25,180 screen time. But you? 2457 02:02:25,380 --> 02:02:26,980 You don't have to live with that. 2458 02:02:26,980 --> 02:02:29,820 You. Can't my my big wish My big wish 2459 02:02:29,820 --> 02:02:34,660 for next offseason is that the DraftKings UI makes drafting on 2460 02:02:34,660 --> 02:02:38,300 mobile just nice and easy, just like is seamless. 2461 02:02:38,300 --> 02:02:41,620 Is underdog because if if the notifications and the app worked 2462 02:02:41,620 --> 02:02:43,780 the same way as good as underdog. 2463 02:02:44,950 --> 02:02:48,230 I mean, I could draft even more teams actually, because I I 2464 02:02:48,230 --> 02:02:51,910 really put off doing DK drafts cuz it's not fun to do them on 2465 02:02:51,910 --> 02:02:54,710 your phone. So that would be amazing. 2466 02:02:56,230 --> 02:02:58,950 Don't pause my music, DK, Don't pause it, please. 2467 02:02:59,190 --> 02:03:02,390 You you can you can You can. You can turn that off. 2468 02:03:02,710 --> 02:03:04,790 You can turn it off, but then you get no notification. 2469 02:03:05,430 --> 02:03:07,150 No, no. You just gotta go into Sound and 2470 02:03:07,150 --> 02:03:09,150 Haptics. It's in the little notification. 2471 02:03:09,150 --> 02:03:11,070 No, no. Like I'm having deja vu, I feel 2472 02:03:11,070 --> 02:03:12,750 like. Wait, you can change the sound 2473 02:03:12,750 --> 02:03:15,800 and haptics to. So you can turn off sound and 2474 02:03:15,800 --> 02:03:20,160 haptics, but there's a. You can receive notifications 2475 02:03:20,160 --> 02:03:25,600 but have no noise come through. My God, All right. 2476 02:03:25,840 --> 02:03:28,040 Pat Pat figured this out on Monday, so thanks. 2477 02:03:28,040 --> 02:03:29,960 For telling me this on fucking Labor Day. 2478 02:03:38,680 --> 02:03:40,600 Amazing. Glad that we were. 2479 02:03:40,880 --> 02:03:43,280 I'm glad that we were able. I'm glad that we were able to 2480 02:03:44,040 --> 02:03:45,360 cover that. But we'll remember. 2481 02:03:45,360 --> 02:03:46,680 We'll remember this for next year. 2482 02:03:47,600 --> 02:03:49,440 It's really not even that hard pad. 2483 02:03:49,520 --> 02:03:50,680 Yeah, I'm. Jumping in the. 2484 02:03:51,640 --> 02:03:54,560 App and changing it, Yeah, cuz I listen to podcasts while I do it 2485 02:03:54,560 --> 02:03:55,600 and it never pauses. Wow. 2486 02:03:59,280 --> 02:04:00,520 It's a good way. It's a good way to end. 2487 02:04:00,520 --> 02:04:03,880 It's a good way to end. Guys, it was a pleasure I hope. 2488 02:04:04,850 --> 02:04:07,490 I mean just like one final between between the show. 2489 02:04:07,490 --> 02:04:09,090 I think Pete said it best the other days. 2490 02:04:09,090 --> 02:04:13,090 Like if we all have a communal team to root for in week 17 this 2491 02:04:13,090 --> 02:04:17,730 year, it'll be that that given the size of the contest, one 1.1 2492 02:04:17,730 --> 02:04:21,650 million entrants on DraftKings, 660,000 on underdog, I think 2493 02:04:21,650 --> 02:04:23,770 getting one team through feels feels good. 2494 02:04:25,490 --> 02:04:26,250 Yeah. Think some, huh? 2495 02:04:26,930 --> 02:04:28,810 I agree. Yeah, I'm feeling really good 2496 02:04:28,810 --> 02:04:33,150 about our our shared teams. But yeah, the last thing I'll 2497 02:04:33,150 --> 02:04:35,910 say, I had a blast doing the show with you guys this 2498 02:04:35,910 --> 02:04:40,350 offseason. I think during the season we're 2499 02:04:40,350 --> 02:04:42,870 not gonna have a weekly show. I guess we haven't really 2500 02:04:42,910 --> 02:04:46,790 officially announced that, but. We'll do something, we'll figure 2501 02:04:46,790 --> 02:04:49,630 something out, portfolio review, something like that. 2502 02:04:49,630 --> 02:04:51,710 We will for sure. We'll do something. 2503 02:04:52,350 --> 02:04:56,830 So it's not not goodbye forever, but thanks to everyone who 2504 02:04:56,830 --> 02:05:01,010 joined us this offseason. Yeah, this is the most fun I've 2505 02:05:01,010 --> 02:05:02,730 had doing content fantasy football. 2506 02:05:02,730 --> 02:05:05,090 Really good engagement from the chat, from the YouTube, 2507 02:05:05,090 --> 02:05:08,530 commenters from people on Twitter got great reception for 2508 02:05:08,530 --> 02:05:11,810 the show. So this was a great experience 2509 02:05:12,090 --> 02:05:14,010 for me. And yeah, thanks to both Davis 2510 02:05:14,010 --> 02:05:17,250 and Pat for joining me on this. This was a lot of fun. 2511 02:05:17,250 --> 02:05:21,650 And yeah, like you said, hopefully you just get one sweat 2512 02:05:22,450 --> 02:05:25,050 for one of us. Get one team the finals and 2513 02:05:26,320 --> 02:05:28,040 we'll be back. But everyone, good luck to your 2514 02:05:28,040 --> 02:05:34,320 last couple days of drafting. We will see you at some point in 2515 02:05:34,320 --> 02:05:35,760 the future. Peace.