We've made it to the end of drafting season.
This is our last streamed draft before we head off to Vegas and
we are going out with a doozy. We are bringing our friend Mike
Leone on. We always have a lot of success
drafting in these Nosebleed high stakes leagues with him and
tonight we got a 5K league. This isn't the main event.
This is a self-contained $5000 buy in league.
Alpha plays only. That's the theme for tonight.
This is ship chasing. Let's do it, Pat Fryer, Helmo.
This is why. This is why I'm hot.
Anita hand job. Fix your sight.
Jamar. And.
Alpha play Chase. You.
Can't handle the heat. It looks like we're finally at
this. Point you're right.
All right, we are underway. CMCCD Lambreece Hall, Mike
Leone. How we doing buddy?
Good. I think we've, I think we're
three, not the jinx, but we're like 3 for three right in our
last, I think. Yeah, I think so.
We. We ran away with it year one.
We had a miraculous 2nd place finish Year 2 on a team that was
like kind of a disaster. And then last year we had the
painful. We tagged it, got second late
last week so. Shafter telling us not to play
Kenneth Walker and and we, we yeah, we really choked away
first place. We lost like 85 points in in the
final week. To lose first place something
like that it. Was.
It was. Brutal I.
Was kind of. But we won the most like the.
Regular season, we just didn't. Win the Sprint, so we.
Got stuck in them, even hit me because I just assumed we had
one and then I was like oh it took a while to tilt it.
I was in New Orleans for the final week and sweating some
teams that were really high up in like the FFPC, Maine and all
that stuff. And then I went to the the
national semifinal, my Huskies the day later.
But I remember when I heard about this, like as I was
hearing about a lot of stuff from different Co managers, I
was kind of in in, you know, in a in a blur.
Remember hearing about that. And I was like, wait, what?
I'm misunderstanding. Like there's no fucking way we
lost that one. Like that one was locked up two
weeks ago but we lost. It so the big watch tonight was
where Jamar Chase would go with the potential to maybe miss Week
1. He does go 1/8 here, so a little
bit of a slide, but nothing crazy here fellas.
Yeah, that's the top 9. I.
Think that's where I'd take him, Either 8th or 9th, yeah.
Right. Yeah, I definitely take
Jefferson ahead of him at this point, but.
This is sick to get the 112 in a sharp room.
I mean, it's not the place you want to be.
Yeah, we're not going to get any faller here that we had had kind
of hoped. For.
It was two years ago where we had the like 1-6 and it was
Eckler who we all kind of was like, God, are we gonna, are we
pulling the trigger here? And then we built an awesome
team with that pick. So I, I trust in our ability to
to make do with what's given to us here.
We've been, yeah, we've made some non, not non traditional,
but non conventional for US teams these three years.
And the original alpha play team.
The alpha play team is on the corner.
Yeah, it was. All kind of just talked about
for your show being comfortable with.
So I am puka tight end here I think if I'm.
I mean Puka McBride sounds sounds great to me.
Week 17, baby. That was that was my lean.
Where are you at, Pat? Are you in a garage?
I mean, I would I, I do have Chelsea over McBride, but I
don't mind going McBride if you guys prefer.
I'm neutral I I am neutral on this.
I would definitely prefer another McBride share.
I'm McBride Titan 1, so I feel pretty good about that take too.
So I'll, I'll wear that Pat, if you want to want to blame me.
Later, you could you could let me know that I was an idiot.
Well, you can blame me. We did a truth serum fix.
Yeah, we can go ahead and take McBride here.
I think in especially in Titan Premium, like I I'm I'm
definitely nervous about McBride, but I feel like if
you're gonna go in on McBride, then you should his superpower
potentially is just racking up receptions like that's that's I
think how he like if you're fading him and he burns you real
hard to me, a big part of that is he just like is APR machine.
Can you give the? But I did give on my Yeah what?
I was just a kid to give the anti.
Why? Why are you so nervous about it?
Well. He wasn't that great of a
prospect. He was he was like solid, but he
was kind of in like the Friar Muthi Cole commet type of range.
He very inefficient as a rookie, doesn't earn targets, doesn't
pass Eckerds. Then the second year he doesn't
pass Eckerds either. Zackerds gets hurt.
He consolidated volume in an offense that has really no one
else. You know, Rondo Moore just got
passed by Ray Ray McLeod before he got hurt.
You know, on the Falcons, Michael Wilson did not earn
targets as a rookie. Greg Dorch barely played.
So it's impressive. I'm not trying to take it away
as as not being impressive because it is.
And it's a good offensive coordinator.
And you get Kyler Murray, you know, health the year.
But they did add Marvin Harrison, which could
potentially shake things up from his ability to like, consolidate
all that volume now. I mean, their defense stinks and
I think they'll play to win. So it's not that I don't see
like the paths for him. I definitely do.
And I'm not fading him. I'm I've been kind of staying
with market on him. But I just my truth serum thing
was like, are we sure he's actually that good 'cause it
really comes down to half a season and everything we had
before that season was was either a kind of middling or a
little concerned. Well, I would.
We're very concerned. I would push, I'd push back on
that a little because and I, you and and Sean are two people that
I trust the most, most on the prospect stuff and you guys
sometimes have differing opinions, but you said he was
like a pretty middling prospect. Sean thought he was a really
strong prospect, wanted to target him in the second round
of every rookie draft. I remember him being really,
really high on him pre draft. He had a 26% target sprout run
as a junior over 30%. I mean, it was a senior year,
but he had 1100. He was a, he was a good as as
far as second round rookie pick targets go, No push back there
whatsoever. But just the fact that he was
going in the second round of rookie drafts I think tells you
something. Wasn't Laporta going in the
second round of rookie drafts? Laporta was like early second
round. Yeah, but but but like that was
more like mid to late 2nd. Yeah.
We haven't had a first round guy since since Pitts, right?
That was a first round rookie. I mean those are very rare first
round tight end prospects in in dynasty.
Yeah, but McBride was going like more in that like Colcombe at
Pat Fryermouth type range then then even Laporta cause Laporta
and Kincaid. Kincaid end up going late 2nd.
Laporta was early 2nd. He went like after Mayor.
Not to to interrupt this, this would have been a nice room to
pick from the front and maybe start Breeze Bijan and then see
all this green in the second round.
Yeah. Seriously.
Yeah, Since we picked McBride, JT, Derek Henry, Gibbs, Kelsey
Barkley. I mean, the other thing, it's
like, I don't know, can we can we hold against Trey McBride
that it was only a half a season?
Like Cliff Kingsbury buried his best player and then the guy
absolutely demolished when he got a full snap share.
Like how does he even? Hold that against.
Him. So that's true.
Yeah, that's true. The the the half season thing
is, I mean, it was from week 8 on.
He had 144 target pace, 112 catches was right there with
like the all time like career record for a tight end 1000 +
1100 plus yards, two plus yards per outrun.
The Porto was only at 1.75 last year.
He had a meaningfully better targets per outrun than Laporta.
Meaningfully better yards per target than Laporta at a lower A
dot. He added efficiency.
He's a fucking beast on on film. If you I like I watch all the
games. He I promise you that like if
you watch him play this year, you're gonna be like this dude's
the best tight end since Gronk. Like he's incredible.
But setting that aside, the numbers weren't just like a
decent year. And we know that Titans take
longer. To break out.
He had a rough rookie year and then he had a legit massive
breakout that I think it's, it has been understated not by
UPAPA, by the market, because before week eight, he never
played more than 53% of the snaps.
Excuse me, more than 60%. And then in week eight he
started and he started every game from that point forward.
He had started two games prior, like weeks two and three, but
was mostly not starting because ertz was starting.
He started every game. He jumped to an 82% snapshare in
week 8 and never went below. I think it's 69% was as low from
that point forward. The snapshare stuff doesn't
really matter but the point is like there's a clear delineation
when you look at it. He was sub 60.
Percent. He was their number one option.
He was their passing. Plus, yeah, and in that stretch
where he actually got an opportunity to play as a full
time player, he paced for almost 100.
And like, I understand the concern of like other target
competition this and that, but he pays for like almost 150
targets, like over 110 catches. His catch rate has been 75 plus
both years. People talk about how good his
hands are. Like you talk about the, the
Titan premium stuff. You're talking about like I
think that's maybe not emphasized enough either that he
was like considered an elite, elite hands prospect by film
watchers. And like, I just think like he's
going to get volume based on what he showed last year to some
degree and he's going to catch a really high percentage of it.
It's like it's really hard for me to see how he doesn't
actually have a pretty high floor.
And then I actually think the full season, if you just would
have played all of last year, I think he would have been going
maybe tight end one. Like I think people would be
going higher on him if you would have been the full time guy
weeks one to seven. I just think that that start of
the year has, I know the split data doesn't really matter that
much or there's like reasons not to buy it.
But when we see a like a legit role change from a young tight
end in year 2 and then he breaks out and he goes 2 plus yards per
out run. Like I want to look at the split
data and be like, this is how good this guy was on a per game
basis, you know? Leone it was it.
You wanted Kelsey, right? Just because he's a little bit
older. This is how it's going to be
remembered as Rush over Rd. Rush.
Over Rd. Leone at the Kelsey McBride
page. I know I'm not even going to get
going to get any shade through my I was actually.
Irritated when you posted your BBM exposures, how many rookies
you had? Really kind of destroying the
bit that we built up around here.
It was enough already. In the words of Adam, that's.
Right. Man we.
We, you know, you, you get the draft slot you get, but I think
we would have been really happy with some selections if we're at
the beginning part of this draft.
Oh yeah. I mean, yeah, so the Bichon
drafter gets Marv, the Biche drafter gets Olave, Lamb goes
ETN, and then the one hole Taxon cup and neighbors to ACMC start.
And like someone's getting Kincaid in round three, Yeah, I
think. I don't think I have to spoil
that. I highly doubt it's messed into
312 based on anything we say. Yeah, if I ruined that I
apologize. Well.
I doubt it. I don't think.
There you go. Yeah.
I mean, that's some.
Nice. What is the name of this team in
the three hole here? Dream chasers?
OK. We got Chad picking forth with
his usual cocktail. Dreams.
Dream chasers, The next to cocktails and dreams.
Yeah. Oh, that's funny.
Why? Why do I see Chris G here did is
this? Is this our Chris G next to this
dream Chasers G announce yourself.
Are you in this five Ki? See CG on the owner's list.
Here, man, that's I mean Chad getting going.
Bijan Marv. 8 Chan. Which one would G be what?
What draft slot? 3.
That's got a list. It is.
I got a list of seven guys and I think it's going to the list is
going to dwindle quite, quite fast before we pick.
Yeah, yeah. Paul wants to know.
Leonie, you didn't get to weigh in much.
Was was McBride an alpha play? I mean, you, you heard it from
Gretch. He's on film.
The best Titan since Gronkowski. How does it doesn't get?
More alpha play than that, it clarifies qualifies.
There we. Go.
There we go, He wasn't on. The Yeah, I I like that I'm
drafting with you, Gretsch, where you have such conviction
on McBride, 'cause I'm just nerve.
The my truth serum was like, I don't, I'm not convinced he's
like that good. Like we've seen mirages at this.
Position I'm like. It's my just like it's more
about the. With.
Harrison or above him in targets like that would be my true to
see him. Yeah, the I'm, I'm very
skeptical of that, but I would like, I would like it we have
him. I'm perfectly in the middle and
I agree with Pat that the tight end premium, like I I not to get
too bogged down on like getting too micro.
But I I do have McBride as like a really big gap between like
half PPR scoring and 1 1/2 points per reception, which I
know Gretchen has made some good points that like we could see
the volume plus the efficiency with the offense just being
better this year, which would be a huge slam.
But I think as a fall back in the, the Titan premium scoring,
I'd be shocked if we didn't get enough volume where he's not at
least fine. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, My floor concerns are more kind of like half PPR
focused. I would say.
I I'm more into it for sure in in 1 1/2 PPR because I also
think it increases his ceiling like his floor and ceiling go
up. I just had this moment as you
guys were kind of poking holes in that.
And you know, I've been very big on the elite tight ends and the
top seven guys and I just had this moment where I'm like, I
can poke major holes in every single one of these guys.
Like every single one of it went from like I could prop all of
these guys up on a pedestal and feel good taking any of them to
like shit every single one of these guys could fucking bust.
Well, that's the thing about the Kelsey thing.
It's like I feel like the holes you can poke in him are really
strong. I when when Milioni did the
projections pods, like I, I think I mentioned this probably,
but I had him the highest of any of my tight ends in projections
because his efficiency is so strong.
But I feel like his routes are like, yeah, that's a bummer.
Are like the most fragile. Like I was kind of concerned
that he they that they talked about it after the season.
They were definitely limiting him.
And now they have these good young receivers.
Like I feel like if he gets any bang, you know, Ding this year,
they're going to sit him down for two weeks and just let him
get healthy. Like, I've feel like this is the
year where we're like, all right, Kelsey is not playing as
much. When he's out there, he's good.
But like, I don't know, I'd rather take the ascending young
guy that just had a monster season.
Yeah, I, I get that, but I think that's why he goes where he does
is that everyone kind of has that, that nervousness about
that. Yeah, I, I think he's still
Kelsey. So any discount on him being
still Kelsey? I'm I want to take.
We are on deck in the second round.
Neighbors Andrews, Kincaid, A Chan, Pacheco, Waddle, Ingram,
Rashi Rice. Leoni let out a sigh for that
one. Nico Collins, Brandon Iuke on
deck. And then we have two picks on
the 3/4 turn after Arpuka and Trey McBride's start.
We're trying to see what the Laporta, Jonathan Taylor drafter
is going to do here at 3:11. I think we're going to like our
two. Picks though, guys.
Yeah, yeah, me too. I, I mean, as much as I like
Iuke in in the full PPRI wasn't sad to see him him go or Ingram.
I think we had sort of pretty decided.
What are you? I'm lagged here a little bit.
I mean, Leodi in our group chat said I have two wants.
Take a tight end at 1-2, Take Kyle Pitts anyways, if he's
there at 3-4, I mean, we're fucking taking Kyle Pitts.
We've been. Waiting for this.
To happen at the. 342. Mistake.
Pitts, but let's run this. Let's use the rest of the other
there's. 3. Good options and we can talk
about it. We're not.
We're not coming back. Nico falls here.
Debo falls here. Kyron Williams falls here.
Nico's gone. Nico went OK, I.
Missed Kyron Debo, Devante Smith are the three that I I like.
I'd probably go Debo Pitts though I think but.
I'm gonna get into that or. Chiron Pitts.
I mean, I'm. I'm also open to Chiron, but I
I'm completely fine with Debo. I'm.
Gonna put in Pitts. Put in Pitts.
Pat didn't trust me.
I was on sticks, buddy. I was ready.
Who's a bigger alpha play between you go?
Down to 10, you know. Devo, Devo, definitely a bigger
alpha play, yeah. Debo.
Is going to have a nutty season, but it's hard for me to justify
him over Debo. The only Kyron Williams thing is
like this. We're not going to like another
running back for a. Long.
Time that's. The only other thing are we
going zero RB or are we? Right.
If we don't take Kyron, we probably are.
We're going 0 but I'm comfortable with.
That I'm very comfortable with it on a.
Turn to get Kyron at 4 O one that seems I'm.
I'm in a self isolated league too.
It's like right? Should we should we just grab?
I I broke Kyron at this price honestly.
I think I'd vote Kyron too. What do you guys got?
Leona can break it, he said. Done.
Grocer So we took Derrick Henry. I I would be OK with Kyron if
that's how you guys feel. I think I'm Debo over Kyron.
But I don't know it's close. Do it, do it.
Pull the trigger on Debo. You're the do it alpha.
Play on the all right. Oh.
Just what has? Happened to us.
Leonie is the one pushing Gretchen I off the run.
That's a 0RP. Wow.
Was that, was that OK? Were we OK with Debo?
We were. Yeah.
No, it's an alpha playbo, right? But don't you get?
You get your hands over your face and say.
Is that OK? You got to go alpha play.
I'm nervous. Beta play.
Yeah, beta play. Let me.
Let me see the jump the shark in the chat right now for Leonie
passing on Kyron. Let me see the jump the sharks
in the chat. Yeah, let's.
Go Yeah, we probably should. Yeah, it was close.
It was definitely very close. I like the dito call, I think
it's fun. Yeah, this is every time I look
at Leonie, he's like. Jerry's got out of the chat.
Kyra the 4th. But Leonie here, let's let's
let's not let the Debo Chiron situation distract us from this
Kyle Pitts selection. You gave the true serum on the
Deposit Kingdom video. Kyle Pitts tight in one.
You called your shot. You wanted him here.
Give us the bowl case once more on Kyle Pitts.
Yeah. I mean, it's, it's a pretty
straightforward case. It's I think maybe the market is
still underestimating how massive of a change it's going
to be going from Arthur Smith to any other coaching staff pretty
much. And then the upgrade at
quarterback 2 is really hard to overstate, both in terms of the
quality of the targets he's going to get, but just the
volume. I mean, Cousins isn't going to
scramble. He's not going to take sacks.
He's going to Chuck the ball. I mean, TJ Hawkinson was going
to have like a million catches last year if the two of them
stayed healthy together. Yeah, I and I still think Pitts
is really good out. The one thing I'm worried about
is if I'm giving him too much of A pass for not being fully
healthy last year. You know, I get like the tiniest
bit of like Juju Smith Schuster vibes with how I've treated Juju
in the past in that regard, but. Yeah.
But but yeah, I But if he's as good as I think he is, I see no
reason why he can't put up numbers as good as or better
than the tight ends that go in front of them.
All right. Fire me up.
Yeah. Turn turn back around in support
of the Debo move. And I really like Jay's comment
here at 449. Be unburdened by what has been.
It's already. It's already done.
That's powerful. The Kyron thing, so I, I would
have been, I'm totally fine with Kyron there for sure.
I, I did not expect Debo to be there and I just really like
Debo. And I still think, I do think
one thing I've tried to be cognizant of that I've maybe
talked myself out of at times this drafting season is, oh,
there's going to be receivers I like later.
So take the running back. But we know there's still a
reason to take the better wide receivers earlier as like that's
part of the reason that zero RB works is that you get the best
wide receivers I love. That that's something that.
When Sean and I did AT0RB, like whatever one of the one of the
ceiling pinion episodes, talking through it for people who didn't
know it very well, that was one of the ways we landed on it.
I want to say two years ago that I thought of again this
offseason where his take was like, it's just like, if you
just think about these ranges, who's the better football
player, right? Like I was sitting there going,
well, we need Kyron for structural reasons, but Debo
Samuels way fucking better at football than Kyron Williams.
Like we should probably just draft the guy that's way better
at football. I do think, yeah, I do think the
the element that was in was in my head, was in my head.
There was this being a self-contained league, right?
A lot of what I get excited about the the zero RB is it just
absolutely supercharging a Sprint team where that's that's
all that matters. Like you just need that team to
peak 15 through 17 where we're here.
A lot else matters leading up to that.
And so that's what I was kind of weighing.
The one thing though, we do get a longer runway in the regular
season, you know what I mean? Like we get two more weeks
because there's not those league playoffs.
So those two weeks that sometimes are super important to
have that RB to, you know, just make the league playoffs, be top
four after what, week 12? You know, we do get two more
weeks to sort of hopefully run into, you know, a monster team
with all the anti fragility stuff that we talk about at RB.
Yeah. And personally I think Debo is a
lot safer than Kyron that IA. 100%.
Kind of goes back to the yeah, yeah, it goes to the betting on
talent point that Gretch made. Like you're you're getting the
much better football player, which comes with ceiling and
four. I agree, he for sure safer.
I think the whole thing, it's like if Kyron gives us, you
know, 85% of what he did last year.
He's a smash. Yeah, he he's just an absolute
smash. And then you look at the names,
right? Rashad White comes off the board
2 picks later, Jacobs, Walker, James Cook.
It's like he is he is not in this this year.
He's better than. Literally if he's around 85%
what he did last year, he's like the RB4.
Like he's ahead of Jonathan Taylor.
I mean, like we're talking like this is a massive discount on
what he was last year. He had a.
Huge. Snap, right one of him and
McCaffrey were the only dudes that were like separated in
terms of the the snap share and being like so dominant on in
their backfields. Obviously Quorum's going to
change that a little bit this year, but I think he's thought
about an OK, justifiable pick, but Debo's obviously extremely
justified for. Sure.
Do we get, you know, some of these receivers that at times we
get at the 7-8 turn and at times we don't, you know, it it it
could be somewhat frustrating at that point to be like, oh, you
know, we're probably going to look at the two V2 in day one,
which we had the Kyron side. But for the the course of this
season, it might end up being, you know, obviously the play is
that we're happier over the course of the full season.
Right. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah. And so like I said, since we
took Debo, the fourth round has been DJ Moore, Kyron Williams,
Devante Smith, Rashad White, Michael Pittman, Josh Jacobs,
Kenneth Walker, Mike Evans, James Cook, Alvin Kamara.
So yeah, the. Four O and the height.
We are not a piss boy Draft here.
This is the most running back heavy room we've been in so far
this year. I know, which is now making me
like it's like so running like I'm I don't want to see
receivers go, but at a certain point I'm like, Oh, if if we
snuck if you snuck Kyron in at 4 O one in a super running back
heavy room, you're like that's. Yeah, then things work out.
Oh, I was just gonna. The only Chad is pointing out as
a tiebreaker that Debo was the better pun returner.
Yeah, Did you guys see Blake Gorham got?
Listed as their first team kick returner today that.
Was Are you serious? Yeah.
That's exciting. The first.
Returner Blake Gorham's our first.
That's an awesome bit. You think like Sean McVay and
Mike McDaniel have a group chat where they're just like, you
want a troll fantasy community today or or do I got it?
They're they're good at it. Leonie, I want to ask you your
take on on Kenneth Walker. I know we we would have talked
about this like a month ago, but I don't remember necessarily.
And I've gotten way more into him lately.
And I don't know where you stand on him.
I'm just curious because I think he should be up there with like
Kyron. I really liked Kenneth Walker a
month ago. I'm worried that his ADP has
risen on a lot of the the coach speak where like I like Jacobs
better than Kenneth Walker. Probably still, but I do man, I,
I, I have a soft spot for Kenneth Walker, which is funny
because I was so against him in dynasty that year.
But I, I, I really, I still have visions of him being one of the
few backs in the league that can really, you know, break these
plays from distance and that being something that that really
matters. Yeah, dude, this one hole
started McCaffrey Cup, neighbors got Higgins, took McLaren over
digs. Like if that was us, probably
digs. Or at least for me.
I mean, it's a really nice start.
So the running back room is I'm definitely.
Taking digs over Mike Warren. That's dude.
Yes. And Chad, I mean, I know you
guys aren't into Mike Evans, but Kettle in round 5 is pretty nice
to if you we would have never passed on tight end as many
times as he did, but. You could have talked me into
Evans at that price and I have him as a clear fade, but like,
that's crazy after Michael Pittman, that's.
Real, That's that's about as low as he goes.
I mean, I, I project projected Tampa's offense to regress a
little bit. The market's not super in
etcetera. But one of the things that I did
notice because I do A dot and target share and all that is
when I was looking at my total area yards projections, like
Mike Evans was I think #2 in the NFL behind maybe like Tyreek or
Lamb, one of them because like he's a high volume guy that also
gets it at a high A dot. Like that's that's, that's a
that's a meaningful thing. Like this is the late 4th.
Like you could get a lot of air yards.
You just got to catch some passes, score some touchdowns
too. Like it's a good profile Kittle.
Goes then zay. We started Puka Trey McBride,
Kyle Pitts and Devo Samuel here in the 5th.
This is not the FFPC main event. This is called a 5K Big payback
self-contained league. We're actually going to be
drafting another one of these in two or three days.
Friday I believe we will be in Vegas communicating with Leone
over discord. Unless Leone change of heart.
You want to fly out? Do it again.
This this week is already no, no, not making it.
Bummer. Think What if I told you about
all those ice cream Snickers bars that they're going to have
on hand at the draft? I love an ice cream Snickers
bar. You're like you're.
My. Schedule, that's probably the
biggest selling point so far yeah, I mean, I love you guys
but the Snickers ice cream bar that I could get from the store
but. So teammate gets the Mahomes
double stack with Kelsey and Rice, which is pretty fun.
The Evan Ingram drafter double taps tight end takes Ferguson in
the fifth round. Oh.
Man this this could become a tough pick.
Tank Dell off the board. I definitely would have would
have had down near the near the top.
Yeah, Tank would have been fun. Me too.
Pretty big spread on these Texans wide receivers Nico 39,
digs 5 three. Dell 59.
That's not his height, folks. That's where he went in this
draft. I would have pushed her Hertz if
he was there. I I have Hertz, his QB one
overall I would have pushed for him I think.
But even unstacked, I don't think the stacking matters with
his rushing upside and being self-contained.
Leonie, I wish I could screencap this comment.
It's perfect. I mean, I'm just putting it out
there. It's similar to the Mike Evans
thing. You want another player that he
just touted? It sounds right.
All right, we are on deck. Hertz just went to the A.J.
Brown team. So we.
Get some stacks in here maybe I just seen so the the guy that
Gretch is giving me a hard time about but I said I'm already is
lasting pretty late. There he goes.
So I think we all do. We do we all like Worthy here?
Or I know Ben likes Worthy. I love worthy here.
Worthy's great. So worthy.
And then it's do we go double rookie?
I do like you'd be quarterback going zero RB, but well, I, I
think Lamar, I don't know I'm I could go receiver receiver here
though, too. I wouldn't mind kicking
quarterback down the can or the can down the road a little bit.
Yeah, I wish we'd down. I think double rookie wide
receiver would be fun. So it would be a doonesy and.
I would be worthy a couple guys ahead of a Dean say, but I could
be in on it for sure. OK, I've got wordy.
I'll, I'll, yeah, we want to put in get.
Worthy. Yeah, let's put in Worthy I.
I let's just, I got it. I got everyone.
You guys are all pretty out on Deonte Johnson, I think.
I think I'm out on Deonte here. I I, I prefer like if we're
going old, I prefer like Christian Kirk and Chris Godwin
over. Deonte, I would.
I would do Kirk as well. I actually kind of like Kirk, I
think Kirk. 'S those guys are not anywhere
close to the target under Deonte is but.
We'll just do we want to settle on a doomsday then?
What about JSN? No.
I prefer a doomsday to JSN. OK, I pretty strongly prefer
Doomsday to JSN. I'm with Gretch on on JSN, but
I'm happy to get a doomsday. I don't think we've gotten him
in a while. I just think there's probably a
better chance than JSM last, but maybe I'm wrong I mean.
I don't think either's coming back.
Maybe this isn't back either. This is a specific type of room,
so maybe. All right.
I mean, I'm Bowers doing that. We're OK.
We're OK with the. Yes, yes, it also brings
closure. Powerful play.
To a ship. Chasing.
Trilogy. Jalen McMillan, Jalen Polk, and
now. Roma Doomsday was so clearly the
alpha UW. I do.
Think there it is, the Devo pick in some ways makes it a little
easier to double tap the rookie receivers where you're not as
concerned about. I mean, both these guys were
kind of expecting to play a good bit from day one, but just.
But did you factor in? The clip equity because the the
chat is saying fuck. Oh, no, no.
We just got to make it one more show.
Well, here's the thing. I I like to think we have a
pretty smart audience. If you guys didn't put together
after the Jalen Polk clip with all the Huskies theme and then
the Jalen McMillan, if you guys didn't realize that a robe clip
was coming, I, I can't help you. I I can't help.
You on that well, I think they did I think they probably
realized but they also knew we might not get a chance to play
it and. If we don't play the curse,
there's no curse, Yeah. I love Aaron, that clip is huge
for Keenan. The the only positive buzz for
that Keenan. All offseason, it's been us.
Playing it as good. 2nd Gretch, I like your Keenan take on
Twitter the other day where I, I think especially the preseason
stuff, like he like, he doesn't care.
Like like we're really, I mean, I don't there's reasons why he
could fail because he's an older possession receiver.
But yeah, I think this fat Keenan stuff and him looking bad
and and a few preseason things is just not, not the reason to
be concerned. But we just took him.
We just took a doomsday over if that's the I mean, he was wide
receiver 3IN points per game last year.
I mean, I think I still have I have like steadfastly kept
Keenan ahead of a doomsday. I love a doomsday.
But if you think that like, isn't he the pick there?
I mean, we didn't really talk about Keenan at all.
Yeah, we didn't. That wasn't that.
Wasn't brought up well. Because there was a it was we
were arguing about which old we would take and then the IT
sounds like the one old there was a consensus on although we
we have so much Keenan Allen this year already.
I'm. Fine too.
Yeah, we. Do it.
It was fun. It was much more fun to take a
doomsday. We also.
It's funny though, that like we all had an old ahead of the
doomsday. It's just we, we can like we can
agree on the the younger player, but the old player is like,
right When you don't like the old player, you're like, really,
Yeah. Exactly.
That guy. But like I said, Deonte and.
You're like in on Deonte. And I'm like, I'm like Deonte.
I've got like like 12 guys out of him.
And then you felt the same thing with Kirk, you know?
Yeah. Well, that's why that's the
perfect way of putting it. It's like you have the everyone
has the one old that they that they're OK with in that spot,
but no one wants any of the other olds.
The turn just puts you in those spots, right where it's like if
we were in the middle part of the board, the room would have
probably decided for us worthy of roam.
And then you feel like you're getting a value and I don't
know, the decisions just are that second pick on the turn is
always hard. The hard part the only in the
Rome was not coming back, but there might be some other young
receivers at 7A and we might be like, you know, should we have
taken a Kirk or Deonte in some ways are comparable in terms of
like they should both be very high floor PPR guys, right?
Like, should we have taken one of those guys knowing that we'll
have worthy and a second or even a second and a third wide
receiver at at 7A in in the young breakout?
Archetype yeah, I mean you can also flip it the other way and
be like, if you take so many cracks at just the highest
upside swings like you're you're going to be really happy if like
roamer Xavier worthy and we all think they have the potential to
be like a top 12 wide receiver by the end of the season, like
they have that within their range of outcomes.
So it's like, just stack a bunch of those and then know you're
going to be good that way too. Yeah, and with the Debo pick, I
mean, we are already into our bench, which you know is fine
and maybe more reason to even just keep swinging on the
breakout of the younger players. So we start Puka, Tram, McBride,
Kyle Pitts, Debo, Samuel, Xavier, Worthy, Rome.
After we pick Rome Deonte comes off the board, then Bowers goes
to a team as their first tight end.
Lamar comes off the board in the 6th.
Then Pickens, Ridley, James Conner to a drafter who went
Jacob's mixing Connor the past three rounds, Najoku off the
board, Godwin to Chad's team there, and then Romandre as we
wrap up the 6th, Aaron Jones to the Josh Allen
drafter. And now we'll see what the one
hole does. They're the team that started
CMC Cup neighbors. Higgins, Mclaurin, definitely.
What's the next tight end off the board here?
Now you're into Goddard territory.
Yeah, yeah. That's where like as much I love
the breakout potential for for Bowers and I think in joke who's
solid, I just think, you know, McBride and Pitts where they
went are much better picks relative to the wide receivers
than Bowers and and and Joe who are.
We've never even gotten close to Pitts dropping to the the 3-12
when we're on that side of the board, so that was very fun.
Every single time we've been on, it's like Pitts goes where
Kincaid went. Every, I had a a series of
drafts where he I was either the end of the draft and he didn't
make it back to that 312, or there were times where like I
didn't take him at the 2-3 turn and then he made it to like 4-5
and I'm like, God, yeah, kidding.
Yeah. And again, that's that's a turn
dynamic too, where it's like it, it's a little harder to read the
room in the positional runs. But the way FFPC scoring works
in the early rounds especially, it's so hard to get a read on
what a team's going to do positionally.
Like they can literally justify any position other than maybe
their second quarterback. You know, like everything else
is always fair game. There's, I mean, I think we're
going to like this turn again, you know?
Yeah, yeah. We're just going to have to
figure out. We definitely have, like lots
of, you know, Kyler went off the board.
If there was a chance he fell all the way back to us with
McBride, I think that could have been fun.
But. He'd be very fun.
Do we have? I don't think we have a Kyler.
Share in high stakes this year, do we?
I don't think so. I don't.
Think we've we've landed on him. Kyler is that I don't have Kyler
and much redraft stuff. I I like him.
He just, he really steamed quickly.
Yeah, he did. Like early in the offseason,
then he kind of, he never really came back down, which you know,
he's probably fine where he goes.
It just, I'm actually kind of surprised positionally where he
went in this draft, not necessarily overall, but.
Yeah. Chad goes Javonte to add to an 8
Chan in Bijan room. Yeah, only, only a couple wide
receivers off the board in these past 8 picks.
If you guys missed it earlier. Oh, Kirk goes, yeah, yeah,
that's quite the slide there. Leon, you're still in on Kirk,
it sounds like. Yeah.
I mean, I was in on him last year and he basically did with
the offense not playing that well, Lawrence not doing that
great. He basically did he he was
totally fine for for where he went last year.
And I think this year it's sort of the same case, except I think
the offense could be better or should be better.
I do think we'll still stuff, yeah, we'll see.
The slot stuff is still going to be a a thing, but.
But I think it's overblown like he he played in ton in the slot
last year and he he he is actually a pretty decent target
earner. So, you know, if he has like 80%
round participation, I think it's OK.
You're, you're betting on the offense.
Take a step forward. Leonie, I I know you guys just
dropped your first batch of of week 1 DFS projections.
Did did any Week 1 projections surprise you?
Maybe with some of these top guys who have already gone off
the board? You know, our Jonathan Tower
projection feels really light and I'm having a hard time
getting it higher. That's that was kind of
surprising me, but I've been like so scrambling just on
inputs that I haven't like totally digested the output.
I just remember seeing that it is funny week 1, you see some of
these dustier guys that we're afraid of in redraft like Rashad
White, Alvin Kamara projecting with the guys that we really
like, you know, for a one week thing.
So it's it's an immediate mind shift when you get into DFS for
one week. I mean Camara, Like who's
stealing touches from Camara week 1?
Right. No one.
Yeah, and Keenan 7/7. Keenan falls to seven. 7.
I'm, yeah, I'm, I'm excited about this turn there.
There's some really good players still available.
Yeah, there's, there's, there's a lot of good.
Players, the question is, is like, dude, are we making room
for a running back here because. I almost think we're not, but I
could be There's one that me and Gretch both like there's there's
two that I think are pretty solid options.
One of one of my. Favorites is still on the board,
too. There's just so many.
This is going to be this is going to be a tough turn.
It's a really tough turn. There's like 3 different
positions we could go for sure that we're Keenan talk through.
Then Naji, then Jalen Warren, then JSN did go.
I was, I was kind of crossing my fingers seeing if he would come
all. The way back he almost like,
yeah, I mean that was that was very close.
There's a couple of questions we like.
You mentioned the running back, I mean QB.
To me, that in a self-contained league on stack makes sense here
too. And I think I I don't know my
vote in. Zero RB in zero RB that you kind
of want some high end quarterback upside as well.
So it's it's a lot of paths here.
This guy going to time out and get our their quarterback.
That we want. So you got the running back.
So I would be Stroud and probably Jayden Reid, but I
really like. Brian Thomas too.
Reid. Reid was mine.
I love Jane Reid, so having him all the way back here, I think
Reid, really. Fits the build.
I think Reid's a great pick. I think we're in unison on that.
You're even even liking Thomas. You're OK passing him here,
Leonie? Because to me, I like against
Stroud. I love.
Thomas But Jayden Reid is, I mean, yeah, I mean, this is just
a great, great spot. For you, this is a great spot.
For Reed for sure. But in underdog, Jayden Reed is
like a a full round round and a half earlier.
Let's just can we 1st and let this bleed.
I've got yeah, I've got him first I'll click it with like 2
seconds left just. Do you guys have any interest in
not this quarterback, but doing the stack?
Well, I was going to say, but do we use this to to push QB
knowing there's a lot of that have already gone?
My take here is I think Stroud could be could really separate
from the remaining quarterbacks and since we've gone 0 RB that
it's OK to take the luxury pick. We could take Brian Thomas and
just closeout receiver, or we could take there's one running
back that I kind of like that we could take, but I'd almost
rather just go 0 RB at this point.
I, I, I like it. Let's let's do the let's do the
quarterback and beat everyone everywhere else.
Are you OK with that? Yeah.
It's a 12 team league move for sure.
Unstacked, but I mean CJ Stroud at this point is.
It's also, I mean, this is like very minor scoring thing, but it
is one point for 20 yards passing, not 25, which is good
for Stroud. Yeah, obviously.
Yeah. And I we are, there is going to
be like a very good quarterback value in round 11 and that we're
going to be annoyed by. But I think that's where you
just have faith that you you've built in the Stroud going nuts
and then you can still win and it's not an overall contest.
Stroud can go nuts and we don't have the receiver.
It doesn't. We're we're stacked at pass
catcher like we're not, you know, it's not like we're dead
because Stroud goes nuts and we. Don't.
And if anything, like there's definitely possibilities where
that offense kind of plays out like the the Niners, right?
Where you're taking some pretty low scores from some of your
receivers each week because you know one of them's going off for
the insane game. And it's kind of a merry go
round of sorts where you're just happy to have all of the
production through Stroud and not even deal with the managed
start sets. Don't get me wrong, I'm very
happy to have those Texans in my lineup, but I there's lots of
ways where playing it through Stroud works out very nicely.
I'm curious who the running back was.
Will you put it in the? The Chase Brown was the guy that
I was thinking of. That's who I was thinking too.
And Pat, I think would have been out at this price, right, Pat?
So. I Yeah.
I definitely, especially with Brian.
Thomas or something? Fun.
Brian Thomas. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's the one. Part of why I was leaning over
Stroud is I felt like we weren't going to probably line up on the
run. That would have been my running
back. I was curious if it was yours,
Danny. Knock on wood, I wonder if we
see the room light up at running back now and we actually like
end up OK here at I mean, we're going to be OK no matter what,
but but there's there's a couple guys where we'd be like.
I don't know if they're gonna come back.
Dude, I mean these guys could start. 4 running backs and
they're gonna take. No, I know.
I'm just saying there's a chance we run.
Never underestimate how many running backs FFPC drafters will
draft. That's the thing that Crane
taught me, like the first time I came.
Came over. To ship chasing years ago, you
guys both probably Pat and Pete, you guys were like never
underestimate. We learned that lesson.
Yeah, we. The second you think they're
done. It's a hard earned lesson.
It's. Going to keep going.
It's been proven over and over again time and again.
Well, when? You when you get your heart
ripped out hoping Darwin Thompson falls to the 8th, you
know it's it's gone too far. But hey, we got Justice Hill,
man. It's honestly incredible, like
similar whenever I see Mike Evanson, like the fact that he's
been doing this since 2014, the fact that Justice Hill is still
kicking around in draftable considering that was a a target
when he was a rookie for us however many years ago.
I often think about that and I'm like in in like I got caught up
in it and I'm like, in hindsight, I'm like, what were
the odds that play would work out?
Not because it was a bit, not that it was a bad pick, but the
odds that that play, that rookie year will workout had to be like
20%, you know what I mean? In my head it was about 8085.
Percent, dude, I'm with you. But it's funny to like, we get
so attached to these guys and it's like the probabilities are
pretty low, you know? Right, dude, this.
There's a dude in chat that's having a rough show.
Do I need? I've been.
I think you can put him in time out at this point.
The rest of the what's? His name?
Who's having a tough? Night or something he's been.
Having yeah, I've actually seen yeah, bye dude.
We don't. We don't need to deal with.
Several other chats or other commenters are like this.
Is This is why this is enough? Enough is enough.
It is fun that we finally year 4 done AS0RD team right?
I mean, this is our first. 1st. We took year 1.
We took that was like the swift gun thing or it was like maybe
murdered somebody, but that was completely false.
And we got him at like 4-5 and we took JT at 1-2.
Then we had the Eckler Breece Hall.
I think we took Breece Hall two years in a row.
We did, I don't know. We had, we had Kenneth Walker
last year in some capacity with I think at another early running
back. We definitely got Breece Hall
last year. I think we got pretty called two
years in a row, I'm pretty sure. Well.
We no, we had TMC. Last year that was the the.
Hard. Oh, we had CMC.
OK. Yeah, it was Breeze 2.
I think it was Eckler and Breeze two years ago.
So we've had two running backs through round five each of the
first three years. Yeah.
Which has worked well. And so we decided to to pivot
but. But we decided you're going to
give us a four one Kyron we're. Going to smack it away.
That's exactly the play that has helped helped us in the past.
But no, I think The thing is that we have also been flexible
with our strategy in a really sharp way throughout.
And I think we're doing that well right now.
I mean, I think our team's strong.
Well, our starting lineup is going to be good, other than the
running backs, obviously, which matters, but.
So. The format is it is 12 weeks
still and then a three-week Sprint for four teams.
Is that right top? 12 it's I think it's, it's 14
weeks, it's. Later.
The Sprint is later. Because there's no league
playoffs, so we actually have more time to like get our
running backs and. Then I'll be able to just finish
top four. We'd like to win it because
there's probably a little prize in the 14 week.
So I think 6 out of 12 teams make the playoffs and then two
get eliminated and then there's a two week Sprint with the final
four teams, I believe. I mean, things we should
probably know, yeah. For sure I and I'm just asking
questions because I didn't. Bother to look.
OK, yeah, Six teams, six teams advance to the league playoffs
after Week 14. The three division winners and
three teams with the most victory points, which is like,
you know, they do victory points, which is.
Like this is head to head. Half had to had half yeah points
and then the top 2 seeds get a week 15 by and then week 15 is
you have to finish top two out of four to advance and then week
16 to 17 is just all four teams versus each other week 16 and
17. OK.
So it's pretty cool. Is there a?
Prize for like winning the byes or anything like that Regular.
Seed, I mean get the actual prizes so you get 5K which is
the entry fee if you're off first or second seed.
And then the league playoffs is 25 K to 1st, 14K to 2nd and 5K
to 3rd. OK.
So you so. We just get in top six and then
make it to the final four and then finish top three.
Top 2 wouldn't win it. It actually is top two win.
It, win. It.
This is top two win. It win.
It they're kind of. It if you get the one or two
seed, you're guaranteed 5K and then you've got like a three and
four chance at another prize. So like a top seed is obviously,
I mean it's always good, but it's definitely very good.
All right, so since we took Stroud, Chase Brown, went
Courtland Sutton, Brian Thomas, Christian Watson, Jerome Ford,
Zamir White, TJ Hawkinson, Tony Pollard, Keyon Coleman, Khalil
Shakur, Devin Singletary, Jordan Addison, Joshua Palmer, finally
have a little bit of a wide receiver run here.
There's one wide receiver on the board that like, I kind of hope
goes, but he's out. One of the.
I feel you. Things that has happened with a
lot of our drafts as well when we're in the middle of the round
is these rooms are a little different and we're we're used
to, you know a different style of play and I think we're able
to take some what we would consider values.
I'm not saying that the the room is wrong necessarily, but
certainly values to us in it in this room.
It's a little tricky being at the 12 man.
Like we've had some, we've had some near misses on some guys
that that almost made it all the way back to us that we would
have liked. I mean, we also got Kyron sent
all the way to us and just threw that away.
But there's, there's some stuff where if we were even just at
like 9, you know, things like Dell went five O 9, JSN went
seven O 10, you know, 710, Nico went three O 9.
There's some things in some spots that would like, I don't
know if we would have taken Nico even or, or any of those guys
necessarily, but we haven't quite been able to to capitalize
in some spots. I do think with the Chyron
thing, like I've been taking Debo over Chyron all summer,
like not even really thinking hard about that.
Like that's it's just to me that Debo was there.
Like Debo being there made him to pick in my opinion.
I I think in a way like, yeah, we would have gotten a great
deal on Kyron, but we would have thrown away a great deal on Debo
too. I agree.
We when we were at 33, there were like 7 or 8 guys and I'm
like they're probably all going to go and then there ended up
being like 4 guys there for us to pick from.
Yeah, it and basically what it kind of goes down to is the
luxury pick thing because if we go Chyron there, we're we're
taking probably Jane Reed and Brian Thomas and not doing the
Stroud thing. So then you're kind of looking
at do you like the, the, the Debo Stroud or like the Chyron
BTX quarterback is kind of how it would shake out versus
whatever running back we take here?
We are like on razor's edge of like maybe partying or maybe
being super sad. Like they could just go.
Was Vlad? Was Vlad the wide receiver you
guys were talking about? Yeah, that was the one that I
was like, if he lasted, that'd be crazy.
We probably have to take him, but I kind of hope he goes.
Yeah, there we go. There we go.
Even though I like him. Yeah.
I was going to say like, he's he's kind of crazy at this
point. So is I mean Chiefs wide
receiver that has fallen so much like.
There's two, there's two receivers that I think are are
very. It's absurd how far Hollywood
Brown falls at this point. It is.
It is to me, absolute nonsense. I don't even like him.
I. Don't know if you're trying to
tempt the the room in to take him so we.
I am. I don't want to have to take
him. He need running backs.
I should also mention I made an executive decision to flip the
chat to members only there. I wanted to actually get to
enjoy some of the chats from our our ship chasing community who
always have fun and smart insights and not the cesspool
that was forming. So members only comments the
rest of the way here. That was that was one of the
backs that would have been pretty nice.
Zach Moss goes. Not what have been.
Daniels. I would have been on that.
There's still like we're We might have a tough decision,
we're gonna have a tough decision to make.
I don't know. Either our hand's gonna be
completely forced and we're gonna begrudgingly make a pick,
or we're gonna be. Goes.
Yeah. I was hoping for that.
Damn. I mean, The thing is, is we are
actually, this is what kills. We're on the side of the board
now where a lot of people hadn't taken running backs, you know,
in the 9 and the 10 hole. It was on the other side where,
you know, Chad double taps Pollard and Spears as his
running back four and five. Team 2 has four running backs.
God, there's there's one running back.
I think that'd be like particularly good for our build,
but but there's two receivers too that like probably shouldn't
be here. I mean, I don't know, maybe we
might disagree on the second. I know who you.
It's not who you think it is, I think.
Jordan Love is a nice value here.
OK, OK. Dalton Schultz goes.
And get your quarterback slash tastic.
We'll double tap quarterback if we have to.
Don't force our. Hands.
Oh, we'll starve the beast, we'll starve it.
Get ready to learn, Sam Darnold. But if you don't grab a
quarterback here, so we're we are on deck.
We got Stroud, we got our five wide receivers here, Puka, Debo,
Xavier, Worthy, Rome and Reed, and we got our two tight ends,
Trey McBride and Kyle Pitts. The question is, do you know if
he's there to do we take Hollywood or do we just set pass
on the value? And and I do think we're going
to see a big drop off in running back after this, but.
I think we should probably grab the running backs at this point,
yeah. So Gus Edward goes.
Who's the running back you want? I I like Rico.
I like Rico and Quorum. I do that, yeah.
I'm, I'm, I'm all the way back in on Rico.
The the news lately has been exactly what you want to hear.
So. Core I I'm down with Rico. 15
running backs down right now I'd be Quorum Jaleel, but that's
fine. Let's let's try not to mention
running backs that we aren't going to take in case they come
back. I of course one on a team where
you passed on Kyra too. I know where you passed on,
Kyra. I kind of like that.
I know I think is grouch has been not voted on Rico.
I'm not. I don't want to be like.
I have, I have. I'm not voted on it.
I think it's AI think. Rico.
Fits. Bad pick, but.
He fits so well with this team as an RB.
Yeah, he really fits the structure.
I honestly think he's an absolute smash with this
particular structure. The question is, God, I hate not
taking Hollywood, but I think we take Quorum, but I think it's.
Hot, He can't take a wide receiver.
I don't think we can take a wide receiver.
I don't think we can either. I want a running back but I'm
I'm open to who it is. I think quorum sounds fun.
I mean, Quorum's like the biggest upside running back.
I'm porn off that. Exists.
I like Quorum. I mean, I do also like the angle
that we passed on Chyron, Like we made this bet already in a
sense, you know? All right, quorum.
Yeah, touch an alpha play. Who needs 41 chyron when you get
10/1 Rams RV one for the playoffs?
I do like we get the usable guy and then we get the highest
upside handcuff in all of fantasy football.
Yeah, this is how we dominate. Passing on Marquis was tough,
though. That was tough.
I think with the double tight end though, you know, you're
kind of you're down 1 less flex hopefully right with the two
tight ends. So it's like we have another
receiver. Yeah, that's the thing.
We've got 123456. We've got 7 pass catchers for
five starting spots. So we can definitely take some
more pass catchers at some point.
It just the RV was going to dry up fast if we didn't didn't go
to there I think. Yeah.
I also. Yeah, we.
Kind of already missed the tier which is a bummer.
And and not not that I don't think these guys can hit in
tandem, but I I think the like Uber Xavier worthy smashes are
pretty correlated with Hollywood being a little bit more
middling. You know, where he just because
I don't rosh, he's not going away.
Kelsey's not going away. Like if if both those guys are
are solid, don't you think it kind of limits the the Super
high and ceiling outcome of the other?
I don't know. I still I mean I think Hollywood
in round 10 is pretty insane, but.
No matter how I but that's that's an in a in a vacuum.
The the value I'm talking about as it pertains to what we hope
Worthy can be on this team. Yeah, yeah.
There's just also, like anybody, like, you know, Rice or Kelsey
could get hurt too. And then you're like you're,
you're you're you're dancing with both both Worthy and
Hollywood. I mean, yeah.
I don't want to make a big Rico thing, but I do just have to
comment on our guy RKFD Jonathan the chat, said Dottle.
Definitely an alpha play. There couldn't have been less of
an alpha play. That's there's no way that's an
alpha play. This guy's 26 and it's like
barely played. He's a special teams.
It's just like we're gonna get some touches.
We're gonna, we're gonna just put a guy in there cuz he's
like, there's no one else. We gotta use him like that's not
an alpha play. In my opinion.
Well, he's the lead running back.
He's the alpha running back on the Cowboys.
So that's, I mean, if he's alpha Jason.
Anything's an alpha play. This is like.
I would I would make an argument that other than just saying
injuries don't matter and selecting Nick Chubb, I don't
know if there was an alpha play running back selection left on
the board that this. That's fair.
That, I mean, well, yeah, you. Can just like.
Put your nuts on the table with a rookie and be like, I mean,
Blake Gorm was kind of an alpha play.
I honestly don't think like. Blake Gorm was an alpha play.
In in the context of us passing on Chiron and then getting.
Quorum. That.
It's a combo alpha play, yeah. Let's see those layers.
It's it's like the definition of or how everyone interprets true
serum now everyone's definition of an alpha play just slightly
different for. Sure.
What about What about this comment Crutch?
He's a regular guy and he was able to hang around the NFL for
years. That's pretty alpha.
Pretty alpha. I thought, I thought.
Alphas were like big and fast and strong and really really
good. Was an alpha for like a just a
normie? For a normie, yeah.
Next. Guy named would.
Compare him when you compare him to Zeke starts to look a lot
like an alpha play He. Really does, man, He really
does. So we got our 2 running backs,
Rico Corm, 2 tight ends, McBride, Pitts, our quarterback
Stroud, and those five wide receivers, Puka Debo, Worthy,
Rome Reed. And obviously we're treating,
you know, the tight end, one of them as a flex.
But it still is crazy either in even hammering wide receiver,
even going, you know, true 0 RB, you still are only at 5 wide
receivers. Like what are these guys?
Going to. I know.
One of them is going to get hurt like.
Yeah, one question for you guys. I didn't really consider him.
I definitely think Strada was the right pick, but this is
probably the only draft manageably draft where I think
Zamir White would have even been remotely in consideration.
You know, I mean, he went quite late.
Would you, would you if we didn't take Stroud?
Would he have been in the running back conversation for
you at 8:00 one or is it just a complete cross off?
I prefer Pollard or spear. I would have been Pollard over
him, but he would have been in the conversation.
I wouldn't. Have been, yeah, I, I actually
probably have. I would probably have taken him
over those guys as like the running back one.
You're just like hoping he just gets fed, you know?
I I don't see points for as long as he he lasts right and and.
Yeah, he's a rich man. He might last a while too.
There's no one really there. I mean, Alexander Madison is is
pretty watched and you know, I it's more the do we want, do we
even win anything if we get the Raiders lead back?
I think that's the sort of the downside, but.
Put some respect on Dylan Lobby's name bro.
He was on the pod. Yeah, that's actually part of my
Zamir case at this point. You.
Know. We'll always have our big
shares. I mean, I I took him in
basketball mania. I think Zamir like it.
There's no there's no jump to the shark element with him.
Leone like we're just taking him in the 90s like projectable
volume in best ball I. Think it like, I mean, this is
where you guys didn't want to take Jacobs and Jacobs.
It was so much better. Jacob was a first round.
Pick just to make the Zamir just with the Zamir white jump the
shark comp. I don't know if I've taken him
some when he slipped part like I, I, but I I'll draft anybody
kind of investment at the right price.
So I don't know if I'm the right person to ask.
I don't think we've jumped this shark, but I think he goes
around roughly where he should go, maybe just a little bit too
early when we probably all expected him to go way too
early, right? Yeah, I guess it is hard for me.
Yeah, I ended up slightly. Overweight.
I know none of them came back, but I just have a hard time like
Zamir separating from even like Singletary and Brian Robinson in
my head of kind of like what I'm getting.
So to be like the first of that wave of running backs just
always strikes me as as gross. Yeah, I, I once we got halfway
through round nine, though, if we had gone Moss Brooks, I think
that would have been. That that's what I yeah, Brooks
would have been really, really fun.
I was hoping Spears, that was my like, dream.
One to fall, I mean. Are you guys just out on Moss?
I just I feel. Like, no, no, I I I I like Moss
a lot. No, I'm in a lot Moss.
In our last draft. We it broke.
It broke probably medium for us. It almost broke.
Amazing. It almost broke really badly.
I think it broke medium for us. Either Tennessee back would have
been fun there. There's a lot of guys that could
have been, could have. Been so the one hole cuff cuff
CMC with with Jordan Mason there.
We saw a few other tight ends off the board in round 10.
Friar Muth, Commet likely finally seen some other
quarterbacks off the board too. Burrow, Love, Prescott, Caleb
Williams and teams continue to select running backs.
Chad just took his 12345. 6 Chad's really light at pass
catch and two of it 2O no, I was looking at 2:00, but he's got
two more bucks game receivers and he's he's only got 1 tight
end. It's a good tight end, but he's
only got 4 pass catchers. That does make I do like the
FFPC with the the dual flex though, just making it so that
teams can build completely differently, yeah.
Yeah, and I guess if you're going to take a 6th running
back, you want it to be a guy like Jalen Wright.
I do prefer how in NFC you get one less flex and everyone
drafts even more running backs. I wish people playing.
That is a nice dynamic. I felt like that one.
Other people didn't play to the format.
I feel like one year it like really switched.
Has it like kind of switched back?
I like one year people finally like got it and I think that was
the year we drafted live. Yeah, I don't know.
I don't think I've never saw it that way, damn it.
Eckler goes, McLaughlin goes. Bucky goes.
Well, this we we did not want to see all this green around 11,
no. No, we still got some plays.
I, I do think we, I think we probably just need to double tap
running back again, though. I don't really.
Think I agree that's one guy. There's no point saying.
We don't have to, but. I like the guy you you're
mentioning, Leonie, but I, I think I'm with these guys that
it would be tough. Yeah, that's that's fair.
It's good. It it it's going to get real
bad. And this is I I did a main event
with Levitan and Silva and this is dynamic that Levitan doing
all the best ball drafts. I had to explain, it's like once
you go to RB you kind of have to stay like you can't ping pong it
like you kind of best ball cause all the RBS just go and you're
drafting just like ghosts in round, you know, 14 plus.
All right, I think we're all on. Different guys on this too.
I would say my personal favorite is Ray Davis.
That's mine. I would not mind the guy Gretsch
likes with Ray Davis. We.
Could I mean we could try. I'm just saying I I don't.
That's fine, I. Wouldn't mind trying to squeeze
him but I get. My personal favorite I think is
Dobbins, just because we can play him right away.
Dobbins and Ray Davis are my top 2 but.
I. Retch, Do you like Ray Davis for
one of these? I'd be the other rookies over
him too, but that's fine. I'd be like Lloyd and Videl over
him, but we can go there. We could go Dobbins and Videl.
We could do. Dobbins Videl Double Tap OK,
let's I just say. Because we were at 5 seconds.
No, we're getting Leonie's. One of Leonie's favorite backs
is Ray Davis. I love Ray Davis.
That's fine. That's fine.
OK. I'm whatever you guys want to do
on the second back. The guys I like are like Ty
Chandler if we were desperate to start someone on Shuba Hubbard,
but I don't think we should do that.
I honestly think with Dowdell especially, that we should take
another rookie big swing like I think it should be Lloyd or
Vidal. Honestly, I think Lloyd.
Allen. Fairly bullish.
And Allen? You thought Allen requires an
injury more? I think Lloyd might play a lot.
They talked about playing them a lot early in the offseason.
They only kept 3 backs. Yeah, it might not probably.
Be part of my concern is they like actually like Emmanuel
Wilson more than they think. But sure.
But what about out of time? So you guys just you tell me I'm
happy with any of these backs. Well, I mean the one I mentioned
in the chat. If there's another, I don't
know. How about Allen?
I'm down for that one. I have no issues with that.
Which one? Braylon Allen.
No, that's the one. The one we might think about.
I don't I. Don't think anyone else is in it
in on. That tell me the name.
P Ryan. P Ryan, We.
Yeah. We you guys down in the name of
the chat. I'm like just tell me the name.
Well, we. That was just confusion.
I I wasn't in on on Alan necessarily.
I don't think Pat was. Pete brought him up again with a
few seconds left, but I don't think anyone else was with.
I heard you say big rookie swing and I was trying to move us to.
AI just wanted someone to give me an actual name.
Yeah, and. I'm fine with that one.
I mean, I I don't think anyone wanted him as the number one,
but yeah, I think he's fine. Sorry, it's just I was, I was
desperate for a name there. Yeah.
And no one gave me one. We were, we were all on like 5
different guys. It's just one of those ones
where no one could really give a name, you know?
Yeah, I thought Dobbins Fidel was fun like.
A You guys were talking about Dobbins a lot.
There were several names there. They're all in the same tier for
me. Right.
Yeah, That's why I was like, when you're like the one in
chat, I'm like, I don't know, we've been talking about a lot
of guys. Yeah, sorry.
Yeah, because that the chat was. About Ellen is Ellen is a fine
pick, though. I mean, he's certainly a big
swing. For sure, I thought Gretch got
off his guy for the big swing so I and then Peter said him but.
I met particularly one that well, yeah, yeah, it doesn't
matter. What's done is done.
What was that quote earlier? Whatever, whatever has been, is
done. Yeah.
The the thing that I was struggling with some of the
other names is I do think there's a chance that they come.
Back they come back. And that's and that's why I'm
like, can we really, if we could just get a couple of these guys,
whereas I feel like we're almost taking our own targets.
Ahead of based on based on ADP and the fact that this has been
a really running back heavy room, I think like they'd be
going ahead of ADP in this room because I think they all kind of
are going ahead of ADP, right. Yeah.
So I was just. Yeah, we'll see.
I. Do think like the guy I took is
the OR is by ADP? Yeah, sure.
Yeah. And I, as much as we joke about
these guys not stopping taking running backs, they they will in
fact have to stop at some point. At some point.
Will they? If I seem upset at all, I'll say
that the two two guys we took were my third and fourth highest
ranked available running backs. So it wasn't, it was not like
crazy at all. I would have probably been a
little more annoyed if we landed on Dobbins after we already took
Dowdle. I just I think.
We well, that's why that's why I push it off the three of us like
Dobbins. But I could tell the one thing
you didn't want was Dobbins. So then I'm like, let's try to
find because I didn't want to do the other two running backs
there, the rookies. But I didn't mind Brayling
because I thought we could sneak an extra one of those rookies.
In a Braylin's actually probably a pretty good compromise play
because I, I don't think there's no like he's a big swing.
I think he has pretty, I mean potentially massive handcuff
value, so. Right.
We you know. Zeke, that's who we should have
taken. You do that.
Start Donald Zeke Week 1. Start.
Honestly. Honestly, we could.
We could have. I almost was just like, let's
just take Wicks and see what see what falls I.
Mean that would have been fun too.
Honestly, Wix. Would I just think like when I
think about some of the late wide receivers?
And I like. Wix too, but it's just like,
man, the two V twos on the running backs and the wide
receivers late. Yeah, we'll like the wide
receivers. I kind of feel like in a 12
teamer like this, it's not even a 2V2.
It's just like it should be all running backs like the like the
our whole bench should be running backs almost.
And maybe that's in a in a an overstatement, but.
I just don't want to get too. We have. 7 Not by much.
You know, it's not like we had eight, I would be like 100%, but
with seven I still think there's, there's a little wiggle
room, but we did take the quarterback pick in there too,
an earlier quarterback, which makes our running back room a
little weaker. Yeah, yeah.
I'm not trying to pigeonhole us into that, to be clear.
I'm just saying like that's, that's fine.
I should say like if we ended up if we left this draft with like
9 running backs and we that we liked, it wouldn't be bad.
Necessarily no. I wish I could send screenshots
in the stream yard private chat just so everyone can see like
what I've got in the queue. Just.
So, well, we can we all, we can all see what you have in the
queue. Congrats.
Yeah, we can see that. No, I haven't been looking at
the queue, sorry. I'll get it open.
Because if you add the guys you like to the queue, I don't care
if you slide that around. I'd rather have more that
information earlier than later. OK.
This is like, you know, when Silva found out about the the
Slack chat halfway through Fantasy feud.
Though there's sometimes I put a guy at the bottom that you
gretches because I don't want to forget about him.
It doesn't mean I I want to take them just so you.
Know it doesn't mean you love LA.
Michael P Ryan. Yeah, well, Michael P Ryan is
like, hey, don't forget about him at the very end.
You guys have the queue exactly how my running back rankings go.
So for anyone who's watching the show and knows my running back
rankings. In out of the queue.
I shouldn't have said that out loud.
Did the turn just auto? There's the asterisk next to the
K dot and Locket picks. It looks like it, Yeah, it must
have. So every team in the league has
a quarterback and one team has 2.
The Mahomes team also took Burrow.
So Lloyd did go yeah. How was Braylon Allen going so
far? I mean I guess cuz of the hammy.
I just they were so so high on Lloyd and then they they IR
Dylan and only kept 3 backs and I know they like Emanuel Wilson
but like I thought that was really bullish for Lloyd
including that his hammy is not as bad as because they would
have kept the 4th back. Yeah, no, I like.
Lloyd, that's a good point. I I do like Lloyd.
I was kind of hoping the hammy would allow him back.
I mean, obviously the updated news is that he's at practice
and and he hasn't really suffered a set back.
So people paying attention, which this room probably is,
know that it's not an issue, but.
Yeah, it's weird that his price stayed down to me.
I talked about this with Sean recently as well in a draft and
he was kind of questioning me on it because I think he thought he
was questioning how high I thought Lloyd should have came
back after he fell like all the way back up to where he was.
He was thinking, I think that I was too high on Lloyd based on
the conversation. I don't know if that's the right
characterization of it, but I mean, it wouldn't be the first
time that I've been too bullish on Lloyd recently in a Co
managed draft. That's my point.
But I my my take away on the final cut stuff was like.
Yeah, Lloyd should fly right back up to where he was going.
Like I don't like he shouldn't go behind.
I mean he did miss most of the summer as a rookie, which is a
little concerning but but I agree.
I mean the age of Dylan going to IR thing is big.
That's like, really? Big huge.
So I'm I'm being repetitive, but there I know Levitan was looking
into this, he's very into Lloyd, but he was pointing out that if
you read some comments even going back to the very early
offseason like pre draft, that it is possible they do
legitimately like Emmanuel Wilson.
OK, Yeah. That's not a reason to like, not
take Lloyd, but like it, it might be.
It might be a bigger battle to to pass.
No, I mean. We're assuming, I guess.
That's the September 3rd running back take, right?
It's like 25 year old backs that have done nothing like him and
Rico Dowdell. We're just like, that's what we
do it on September 3rd. What is the Wilson profile?
That's Raheem Mostert. What were, you know, you were
arguing for Dalvin Cook the other day with a Raheem Mostert
comp. Maybe, maybe we found the next
Raheem Mostert. That might be true.
What is? What's the Emmanuel Wilson
profile? Is he like a scat back guy?
What is? What is he?
Two No. One Emmanuel Wilson literally
knows. Nothing about that plays running
back. Yeah, he's like, he's like a
little bit more of a pass catcher, but he's not tiny or
anything. What?
He's 226? Yeah, he's five, 10226.
Like he's got some size. He could definitely do stuff,
but he has eighteen career touches and he's 25 year old,
you know, I mean, he's not played a lot at the NFL level.
Yeah. Johnny Mack has a pretty solid
team. They took Marshawn Lloyd on on
Day 2. This was the point I was making
to you guys as well. Like Braylon Allen's a day three
pick, several other rookies. Bucky Irving goes ahead of him.
Now Jalen Wright goes ahead of him.
Those are day three picks. There's no other day two pick at
running back that goes within. Three.
I like it. I'm sold.
Can we we auto drafted Allen? Can we roll that pick back?
Can. We roll that back and take
Marsha. Lloyd the the the.
The round three pick. Yeah, I'm down.
You convinced me, for I'm not. I mean, I'm kidding about the
rollback, but he did convince me.
But. We probably.
Allen's a good. Pick and Davis, they're good
picks. They're not bad picks.
I like, I mean, I think I don't know, we'll see how much Ty
Johnson plays. I think there's a chance Ray
Davis is like playable right away with the and then the
contingent offside. Yeah.
Where it's like the juiced up Latavius Murray role, you know,
is is really not a bad role it. Looks like Benson at 11 do.
You think he has that because there was some talk of him with
Johnson. That's yeah.
The the how much I think Ty Johnson early might play more
than we want. It wouldn't be good.
I mean, this just happens. All right, we are on deck.
We had a few running backs going this round.
Lockett, Mitchell, Mike Williams, Cooks, Gabe were the
wide receivers. Goff and Trevor Lawrence were
the quarterbacks here. We're going to see what Team 11
does. And then we have the 1314 turn.
Our previous 4 picks Rico, Blake, Ray.
There you go. So.
We can sneak in one of these, yeah.
Braylon. Probably wasn't coming back.
So yeah, I'm fucking so great play.
Great play. The question is the second
running back. Yeah.
So we we all want Vidal, right? Vidal.
We all want Vidal. The next two can we say?
Him, I don't think they're both going to come back, so I think
we just talk about him. Yeah, I kind of like Gibson for
this team, but if we want to go all upside and take Tracy,
that's fine too. I kind of like the Gibson play
for this team and I have Tracy a big tear break in my rankings
above him, but I get it. I get the Gibson.
News. We, we, we could start Gibson
right away. Don't worry.
Yeah. We might start in week one,
right? What do you think, Pat?
I think Gibson is a little bit better filled for the build,
just like the week 1, but I don't, I don't feel like
strongly that we need to go Gibson over Tracy.
I'd be open to Tracy too. But yeah the counter to the
Gibson play would be fuck the build.
We're taking 7 running backs. Well, let me ask the.
Upside shots as possible. Let me ask a question that I
think will decide it. Would you guys want to start any
of these 4 rookies over Gibson in week one or would you
definitely want to start Gibson over those 4 rookies?
I would be starting. I would then.
Yeah, I'd be open to. Start Ray Davis, but yeah,
probably Gibson. It'd be Gibson or Ray David,
like I think. I don't think it's a huge gap
over Ray Davis, but I would be voting Gibson.
Then I think we'd take Gibson. Let's do Gibson's harder.
Yeah, If you're, if you're if that answer I think kind of
tells you what we should do in my opinion.
Yeah, the other thing too, like we were trying.
To take Gibson has such a. Deal.
Yeah, he's up. Yeah, let's see, Gibson.
Yeah, Gibson has contingent value.
Like for real? Contingent value?
He hasn't real sure what. Tracy's contingent value is
yeah. Right.
He might be the same play as Tracy in some ways.
They're both in a bad offense. He's super athletic.
Yeah, he's always caught passes. That was the appeal of Tracy as
he caught passes in college. It comes from a wide receiver
background. He's kind of the new Gibson,
right? This guy that was a converted
receiver in college. Like the upside for Tracy is
that he is Gibson, but they they brought him in as.
A right. And then another, another player
who cut down day was really beneficial for they cut Kevin
Harris, who was the expected. Sort of running back three.
It's it's just two guys. Yeah, it's just two guys.
Yeah, Jemichael Hastie is going to play on long down and
distance and special teams. They have 3 backs.
That's it. Like I think Gibson is going to.
And the way they were using him interchangeably in the preseason
was like he was playing on early downs.
He was running, which Washington got away from, and I thought
that the Patriots probably wouldn't be super into, but
seems like they might actually be into using him as a runner
more than Washington did last year.
So anyway. The other thing is that Romandre
was not very good last year. He was especially bad as a pass
catcher. And they they they believe in
Romandre. They just give him a new deal.
I think he's going to, you know, get more than just the first
crack at it. He'll be, it'll be his job for a
while. But like, there is, you know,
it's not impossible that he really starts eating the
Romandres workload down the stretch.
For sure they just paid him like you said, but I mean it's it's
not out of the question. That's not their plan.
Like it's definitely not their plan.
But like we see team plans change all the time in season.
This is like one of the things, right, that we know for a fact
and that people really don't like remembering in August and
early September. But do you?
Think Kamani Fidel though. Oh my God.
I mean. I think I was clearly.
Not super stoked about where our running back room was going, but
I'm really into colony. Of my Dell that's why I just
want I I thought there was a really good chance we would get
one of a dollar P Ryan and I just wanted to be like let's
just if we could get any one of these other ones I think we're
going to get one of these guys that's a good.
I like realizing. AP thing, I wasn't paying
attention to that. That's a great, great move.
Yeah. Other than P Ryan.
I was pulling up P Ryan and I thought he would go in this
room. Yeah.
That's a good call. Lloyd is better than Braylon
though, You know, I mean that. I just misunderstood where we
were at. But Lloyd is better than Braylon
because it's just going to be hard for Braylon to work out any
sort of meaningful role without injury.
Yeah, but isn't that like, I trust me, I, I, I love Lloyd.
I was drafting him for that same reason of, you know, hopefully
having a smidge of standalone value.
But don't both Braylon and Lloyd still need the injury in front
of them to be Uber smashes? Like are we getting excited
about a Marshawn Lloyd stand alone role when Josh Jacobs is
still getting 15 touches a game? The way they were talking, I.
I tend to agree. It was that they were going to
use Buck. Go ahead.
No, I mean, I tend to agree from the perspective of managed
league, like like your argument, Ben, I think is like very
convincing that we need to kind of like reassess where we had on
Lloyd probably like anchor to the his fallen ADP, which is
wrong, which is just incorrect now and get more aggressive.
And I probably prefer him to Allen.
I wish we could go back and and take Lloyd, I think, but I do
think that to be like, Oh yeah, we're starting Lloyd this week.
There's no question. He probably does need the injury
and that's in the injury cases. I think Allen is probably a
little bit better of a play. You know what I mean?
Like if they're both true. It's close.
It's it's close. It's probably useless unless we
get the injury. Yeah, it's close.
And even if you do get that stand alone value in a shared
backfield, it's harder to start right.
The best ball, you just get the bank like Marshawn Lloyd gets
the two touchdown game and you're like slotted in.
He's on the field boom like, but we're not going to know when to
start him over Antonio Gibson for as long as Josh Jacobs is
healthy. Probably it's kind of, but
they've used multiple probably meaningfully enough.
And they talked about Lloyd in a way that made me think that that
might not be. The the, the the.
Definite way that it plays out like right after the draft they
were talking about like literally saying straight up
Marshall Lloyd's going to have a role in this offense.
We think he's really explosive. He gives us something.
They talked about his speed a lot and how how much of a
different speed that he plays at gives us something different
than what Jacobs gives us. They really like Jacobs too.
They've talked a lot about how they're going to use him in the
past game. All these things.
I just keep remembering some of those quotes and I'm like, I
think they like see him as almost like the Jaleel
McLaughlin of that offense to, to some respect.
He's not the exact same player, but we'll get him 810 touches a
game. And if he's efficient on them,
we we there may have been scenarios where we'd be like,
yeah, we will plug him in. I don't.
I mean, yeah. I possibly I agree with that.
I agree. I I think it really comes down
to like, are we talking about a spot start we feel comfortable
with or are you talking about the smash?
And I agree with Pete that if we're getting the smash, it's
because Jacobs went down. Yeah, that's a great point.
And and a managed, if we're feeling really good about it, it
is just a contingent. Point and and I will again
completely admit I think if you, you know, pinned me down did the
true serum gun to head, I would say it.
But the like the fact that we had zero percent chance of
getting both Allen and Lloyd going Lloyd first where I was
like there's a smidge because of this hamstring still lingering
all that stuff that he comes back.
I'm like getting the chance at both was like worth breaking it
in that direction. That's what right when Fidel
made it, I said I think I said great play like I was.
I think I think that was really good drafting by U3.
I was missing the forest for the trees a little bit, but that was
that was sharp I. Was talking about JK Dobbins.
Don't. Don't include me in the good
draft, Yeah. I took I took the wrong.
I auto drafted the wrong player trying to draft P rhyme.
So Rach allows US1, JK Dobbins a draft and we already took Rico
Dowdell. We already took one.
Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
This is a good shout out here. I want to mention this, Steph
dropped her first fabulous article on her newsletter.
I'll get that dropped in the chat, Nick.
Maybe you can drop it in the chat there for us, a fun recap
of all of our high stakes team so far that she'll be leading
the charge on from a waiver perspective.
So if you want a quick rundown of what we did in all these
drafts, actually, I have at bookmarks.
I'm excited to read it because I'm asking, wait, do we have a
share of Kyler Murray? Reading that article will remind
me who we have shares of. So shout out Steph as always and
and Pat, let the people know because she's going to have a
regular column on legendary upside as well, right?
That's that column. That's that's, that's what
dropped. It dropped on Legendary, I'm
saying. Oh no.
Well, there was something in her her fabulous her her newsletter
too. I must have missed the the
legendary upside. 1 Well, the fabulous waiver wire article
dropped on a. Beautiful said earlier today.
Yeah, she did a recap of our teams in her newsletter post
too, I saw. So she's been cranking out the
the articles. This, this build really came
together, guys. I don't even mind the recount.
I did commodity Fidel. Really.
Tied the room together For me, it was that piece of furniture
that really tied the room together.
Yeah, that was really nice. Oh yeah sorry this is my
mistake. I just saw her logo and thought
it was from the newsletter but it is from Legendary Upside.
Thank you. And yeah, all the Arby's went,
so you guys were definitely right to just keep having RB
because. Yeah, that was great.
Yeah. When?
Trey Sermon comes off the board right after Gibson.
You know we've reached the end. Estimate didn't get through.
I mean, for real, the top of my list right now is, is Roshan
Johnson, who's still there. Jamal Williams, I have ranked
this high now because I actually think he's going to play.
I got like. Madison or lobby in there.
Yeah, it's not good at this point, I.
Well, I I don't. I don't want to throw out too
many names in case we're waiting later.
I think running backs done is what we're saying.
That's how I'm feeling. Yeah.
I mean, I feel like the last guys we've been taking have been
like the Shipley and Estimate. Those have been kind of the two
go TOS for us and now they're gone.
So we have four more non kicker defense picks and the ticker or
the tickers. The kickers are starting to come
off the board, some people catching up and
tight end and Senate Chig Noah fan.
So are we back to receiver here? Is that what we're thinking?
I. Think.
I think so. Yeah, I think you're back to
shut your mouth, Patrick. Wow, don't talk about players on
the board. I just put a threat.
I didn't I. Talked about a position on the
board. We're not going to talk about
position groups. We're too excited.
I just I just do a tight. End at the bottom.
If we do get snipe, I don't know if that's.
Oh, I like that one. I I kind of still like the two
receivers at the top. What do you think, Pat?
That's who I like to. All right, we are on deck here.
1516 turn. We have taken six straight
running backs previous to this back Rico Blake, Quorum, Ray
Davis, Braylon Allen, Kamani Vidal and Antonio Gibson.
By ADP The best remaining running back is Alexander
Madison. That's where we're at on the
running back front now. He's he's near the top of my
ranks too. He's.
Not far in mine either. Leonie, he's in this tier.
He's like 6 names now. You guys, you guys.
Are ranking too many players. That's what I'm learning.
Roll the clip. Roll the clip.
Roll the clip all right. Can we?
Can we do?
The can we do the first pick and then the the clip to to roll it?
Here we were. Trying to couple rookie.
Wipers. Yes, I think Lee gets the other
pick right. Yes, I.
I think so, right. I mean, I do like this, yeah.
I mean this year, but. This is where I feel even.
Better this cost you. You take the swing on the
rookie, right? Let's do the swing.
I agree it. It just let's try to cover the
angles. We could cut them right the
swing as well. Yeah, we're gonna.
Cut them. Yes, wow.
And let's do it, Leonie. You want to you want to roll a
fucking clip, Leonie? Jalen McMillan is my official
guest. University of Washington Con.
A touchdown for McMillan. No dogs.
Woof, woof, woof, woof, woof. He's correlated with, though
Doonsay. You know if Doonsay's sick, like
Macmillan's more likely to be sick as well, right?
So I like having one. Oh yeah?
Is this the first time we've had the two Huskies on the same
team? I think so.
Possibly most of our, I love it early teams I feel like didn't
have Macmillan on it. I feel like he's been a late
surge and a lot of our early ones had Rome.
Now, how do people feel? Because our highlight clips have
been a disaster, like an unmitigated disaster.
There's no Silver Linings. Every single one has been a
bust. But Romeo Dobbs Silver Linings.
Well, yeah, and Rojo did have that one run, but these teams
have been awesome. So we've got two of these guys
on this team like which wins out, obviously.
We're about to find out how. Powerful alpha play.
Alpha play trump card. The guy we didn't do a clip for
but and probably because he just got so expensive, but I think
was the most natural fit for a clip this year is also on this
team and that's Xavier worthy. Like he was like that that guy
this year, but he was just going so much higher because Pete was
on him pre draft. He's going to go in the first
round. I loved the fit after the draft.
Pat, I think you've been in on the profile.
I mean, I do have a Xavier Worthy clip in the hopper.
Yeah, should we? Just roll that.
We never rolled it.
Yo, you've seen it. Yeah.
You, you. You want to know what it's like
to get sniped on Xavier. Not getting Xavier Worthy and a
draft was like getting shot. Any draft where I get sniped on
Xavier worthy The next one I play mini men as it starts.
Mini men wish that for fun. Me blood in my dog and I can't
see. I'm trying to be what I'm
destined to be and trying to take my life away.
It's what I. Imagine getting shot.
I feel like I can't imagine a worse outcome for my day.
I don't cry no more, Don't look to the sky no more.
Many men, Many, many, many, many men wish there for me.
Davis, I'm going to. I'm going to ask a question that
I'm terrified to know the real answer.
Is this the earliest you've drafted Xavier Worthy?
Yeah. Can.
I say that one of the hardest I laughed recently was the crack
rock clip where he did not think that that was you doing.
The Davis impersonation was like the funny.
Just adamant that one wasn't me, and then just so adamant the
older. Was me, Yeah, the old guy with
the. Old guy with the big nose, no.
It wasn't you, It was an old. I wonder if it was the bustache
that really threw up for a loop there, distracted from the big
nose. God, that was so good that.
Was good. OK, JA.
Juan is gone, but we already had two tight ends.
I forgot about that one. I brought him up.
Can we get confirmation on Juan's teammate positionally
because he is not gone? Seems like nobody in the high
stakes realm is worried about. He's currently listed on as a
quarterback and so unless that changes like tomorrow, I guess,
or Thursday, then then he's. Weird though because like the
Titan premium scoring really kind of screws them over.
Right, that's what I was saying. I feel like he's not even that
like as valuable as people want him to be.
It's kind of a vibes play in my opinion.
Yeah, yeah, I get it. There are a couple of tight
ends, like kind of like if we want to dash, but like we could
just roll with two. We don't even have to draft the
tight end if we don't want. That's right.
Yeah, that's right. We could.
Just I don't, I don't think with this build like having a third
really high upside tight end stash, I think that could make
sense. That makes sense too, yeah.
Yeah, it's basically just flex upside.
What's the best flex upside at this point?
I think the thing with Tasem is like he he really is more
baseball. It really is more fun in
baseball. We both a good team guys.
I'm excited about this team. Clay, there's no way.
So Clay just said, can you please narrate Crack's recent
tweet about the Vikings update? So I was like, all right, I'll
go to Crack's page and and see what this is thinking.
It was 140 characters. It's a goddamn novel.
I'm not, I'm not reading this thing.
It's it's like approaching 5000 words.
Some would summarize what this says.
Run it. Run it to ChatGPT.
Yeah, I might actually just do that.
We'll get the. Oh, he he indented every
paragraph. This looks like a high school.
Like this is this is great. All right, ChatGPT, summarize
this drivel into a couple sentences.
All. Right.
Here it is the Vikings. The Vikings are optimistic.
Wait this is way too many sentences.
ChatGPT no one sentence. I'm not even reading this, all
right. The Vikings are optimistic about
JJ McCarthy's future despite his injury, but the loss of TJ
Hawkinson has forced them to pivot to a challenging Plan B,
focusing on defensive strength in the development of younger
players while managing expectations for the season.
The loss of Hawkinson caused that that that's great.
Right, there's a part here, he says.
But here comes the bad news. They know Donald has some
deficiencies. We all know the problem for
Donald, the team is the loss of Hawkinson.
Sam likes his tight ends and Hawkinson was to be a safety
blanket. Now wait, what?
Hawkinson was lost before they signed Sam Darnold.
That's not like. Yeah, I don't think this is
accurate. Keep in mind what you know Crack
rock. He got, he got.
Drunk with one of the wolfs. Like that's what happened.
You know what I mean? Like let's let's.
Be asked about. What we're getting information
from. I do need to read the last
sentence verbatim. I will let everyone know when I
will bathe in Lake Minnetonka in the waters of Minnesota, run
through my veins, and let the waters of Minnesota run through
my veins. All hail the Vikings.
OK then. Leonie, this is this is
generally a good time. I like to bring it up clearly.
Do you have any kicker and defensive takes you did do like
week 1 DFS projections? Anything hot there for defenses
for us? I mean, if we're, yeah, I mean,
the Bengals has that. We can start the Bengals like
three of the first four games pretty easily and just eat like
one. Tough match up for them.
Yeah. I got to read one more crack
paragraph. He goes.
Plan B also calls for Nick Bones to be ready to step in the fold
in case Darnold fails to impress in the first few games.
That's where he said all this adds up to a season that they
know will be difficult, but they felt felt it is a blessing in
disguise for the following reason.
And he went on to say they love McCarthy, but he's he's claiming
that Darnold could get benched after a few games.
That's interesting. I think Darnold has some sneaky
bench risk. I don't think it's high, but
like, I mean, he, they, they were, they were, they were
plugging, they were rotating guys.
It was a turnstile back there last year.
You know, Jaron Hall played 1/2. Nick Mullins came in, Nick
Mullins went out. Nick Mullins came back in.
Dobbs was in and out. I mean, it seemed to have no
problem doing that. I realized it was more of an
emergency situation last year. I think McCarthy might have low
key ended up being like pretty Goodyear one.
That's my like truth serum take. I agree.
I mean, he was, he was like very much an unknown, you know, not
like your typical kind of raw prospects, but he didn't have a
lot of attempts. So I think the aero bars are a
little wider, but that that system is awesome.
Like if he if he got the system down and then the weapons are
obviously awesome too. So yeah, on the other hand, they
might have gone pretty conservative with McCarthy.
So. But again, it's like just
created wider ranges I think. Yeah, I think I'd, I think I'd
go kick your defense here. But let's.
Get that Week 1 dub. Tolbert went.
That's his guy, went. Yeah.
Bateman's the only guy I'd be like, oh, I kind of like, I
wouldn't mind. Bateman but.
Yeah, we could. Yeah, I wouldn't # the table for
him either. We could do one of, I feel.
Like I would even be like one of these tight ends.
We could push kicker. We could.
So many tight ends that I like, I know kind of like here that
that's where I'm like, well, if we're going to do that, let's
just take the kicker and defense now.
And yeah. OK.
We kicker before defense, I think kicker were taking like
like like a really good kicker defense defense.
We could maybe wait because we're kind of just streaming it
like but. I thought you said do.
You think you? Start the Bengals a good chunk.
To start the year, I'm just saying it's not like you're
getting one that you're starting like the.
Whole no, no, but getting a defense you're starting.
I think they are are highest projected, at least on the main
slate. I didn't look at all the other
slates as the Bengals. Because they have the Patriots.
At. Home.
Oh, but Week 2, they're at the Chiefs, but then they get the
Commanders and Panthers. Got it.
Right. And that's the three out of
four. If you just eat the Chiefs game,
it's three really good ones, you know?
Yeah. I mean very good.
Yeah, I would. And KU is is in our tier one at
kickers. I think so.
Bears. Bears have the Titans at home
week 1 and then they're oh, then they go at the Texans.
They have the same issue. Nothing in Week 2.
Let's do the Bengals. I like that.
Yeah, Bengals. I I totally almost fucked that
up by the way. But don't I didn't bet you guys
good with Bengals. They're like up there in ADP,
higher up in ADP than I realized.
I guess I would, I would be interested in abatement if you
guys don't feel strongly about the defense and we can take
another one. But again, I'm OK.
With that, I guess mine is like if he, if he, if Pete likes
these, there's a few tight ends that we like is stashed.
Well, wouldn't we take one of those anyway?
Don't we have? Yeah, yeah, I guess I was kind
of hoping for an emergency running back still even though.
The back there's like there's a ton of options at wide receiver
and tight. End Let's go of the Bengals.
Looking at our queue. It's also possible that someone
slips just because a lot of these teams are going to be
taking kicker in defense now. And people will double tap it.
They'll you know, the Baltimore defensive draft already took
Cleveland defense, too. You took a kicker before we got
a chance to play the clip. Liotti got out in front of it.
I want to chase some fucking kickers.
OK, we can chase. I mean, it's the last stream of
the year. I mean, we can chase some
fucking kickers for sure. And there's like a million clips
in stream yard. Now I'm scrolling, trying to
find these kicker chasing. It's the show where we chase the
best kickers. The kickers that help you win
championships, the biggest legs, the breaking news.
It's everything you come to love and know.
The time is now for kicker chasing.
Let's get some fucking kickers. Is Justin Tucker the only kicker
in that video still in the foul? I think that's like the
Tennessee one. Like, is that like Randy Bullock
or something? And the first guy's that
Rodrigo? What was that?
Blankenship. Blankenship.
Yeah, Blankenship. He's not in the league anymore.
Who's the the Cardinals guy that got hurt?
Man, I don't remember. Oh, I remember that 'cause that
was like the whole. He had a whole conversation
about. The the backup kicker and then
he got he got hurt, but you had dropped him anyways for matchup
purposes. He dodged it.
Was it? No, it wasn't.
Was it lying? It was what the.
Fuck was it? It was Chandler Catanzaro.
Is. That right?
Who It was? Yeah, I remember that.
Catanzaro rings a bell. Yeah.
Yeah, I don't think that was it. OK.
No, that's a certain. It could have it definitely.
It definitely could have been. Let's look at Cardinals kicker
history and. In case you guys are wondering,
this is a normal search history for Mike Leone.
Catanzaro was out of the league by 20.
Gonzalez. Yeah, it wasn't Catanzaro.
It was Zane Gonzalez. Zane Gonzalez Yeah, I knew there
was AZ in there, yeah. That there was.
I knew it started with AZ. I'm glad.
Oh. I mean, is he still?
The leak is Zane Gonzalez. I don't think.
So for somebody. I think there's like. 4 kickers
in that video and 1:00. Is still in the NFL.
Zane Gonzalez says he's on the Carolina Panthers here.
I don't know if he's their starter.
If you guys had obviously not looking at this right now in
maybe say an hour ago, if I were to give you a quiz with every
single team and you just had to fill in their starting kicker,
how many do you think you would have gotten right?
Very few. It's just embarrassing with you,
yeah. I think I think I'd probably tap
out at like 10. I think I was gonna say 8 to 10,
yeah, all these guys on the board, I would have got these 6.
I and I know because I keep taking Norvison.
I think he's the best kicker in the league since since last
week. I mean you, you would get
Tucker, Butler, Fairburn, who, who's.
Iconic on the Elliott's been so solidified with the ego.
Tyler Bass. Yeah.
Elliott. McPherson.
McPherson I like I might have frozen live, though if you made
me do it live, I might have frozen and not thought of.
Them, but I probably am guessing Nick Folk at some point.
I'm pretty sure he's. Jason Myers seems to always be
on a team. I don't know if he is still.
Oh, are we? Are we saying, do you know?
What? Yeah.
Do we have to name the? Do we have to name the?
Right. Team yes, it's not just.
Name. Oh, Nick Folkman.
That's. Yeah, I would have got that
wrong. I would have said he was kicking
for the Patriots for sure. Moody.
If I if I had gone through the team systematically, I would
have gotten Moody, but I still don't think I would have gotten
more than 10. Like, do any of you know who the
kicker is for the Rams without looking?
I would see. I know it used to be Matt Gay.
Now he's on the Colts. So I would have gotten it for
the Colts, but I would not have gotten it for the Rams.
I was trying to remember Matt Gay's name.
Is where I'm at on a different team.
It looks like it's. Something I didn't remember his
name, Ben Dicker, the. Kicker we probably would have
gotten. Dicker, the kicker.
After that kicker. Was that?
Dicker, the kicker I would have gotten.
That Pam Little the kicker for the Jags now?
Yeah, by chance? No. 0 percentchi, yes.
Matt Prater's still with the Cardinals.
I just looked at the Cardinals and I I should ask you guys
that. But I think.
I wouldn't guess that. There's a guy named Will
Reichard that's kicking for the Vikings.
Nope, wouldn't have got that. No, these are great.
I'm going to throw them all in the queue though, just so we can
learn their names. I'm going to find one that quiz
you guys on that. I think it's gettable, but I'm
not a hard time. OK, here's one that's maybe,
maybe gettable. The Giants, This guy's been
around a little bit. Jason Myers, he kicked for the.
Panthers at one Seattle Myers might still be in Seattle.
Pinero, Eddie Pinero. Good guess.
Oh, it's. Graham Cano.
Graham Cano is Graham Cano, yeah.
It was a good guess though, yeah.
I just want to go have a long time skinks kicker.
Oh yeah. Will what?
Will Lutz is with the Broncos right now, man.
They love it. Dude, I've got some guys to make
cases for it here at this 1920 turn.
I'm ready. Leonie has named the same
running back like three times and then slash ducks every time.
Like how many ducks are you going to?
You going to? I want to last time, last time,
last time I did that, it was Elijah Mitchell and everyone
ignored me. I'm actually not ignoring you.
I will say as a it's very similar to what we did with the
Blake Corum pick. That's all I'll say.
I I was legit going to say like, is Damien Pierce totally dead?
Like, would you? He's like, I think he just went
yeah, but like, I, I think I would have been like him.
Maybe we should see if he's the RB2 at this this point.
But it's he was so bad last year that it's like he has to be like
I. I hate leaving the light on for
this player I think is bad, you know what I mean?
That's fair, that's fair. Derogatory or non derogatory?
I. Meant it non derogatory but all
I think about is the derogatory con conversation now.
Sam Sherman had a truth serum today that the basically elite
tight end is bad and that we should take the tight ends going
tight end 7 through tight end 12 instead of one through 6.
And me and Davis specified derogatory on our that's fairs
derogatory. We said derogatory.
That's fair. Terrified.
He's right, though. No, I'm not.
I'm way too. Confident in that well just
because it would be very bad for the bags.
Yeah, it. Would be very.
Bad. It's just like, I don't think
how all seven of these profiles could fail.
I just that would be. Well, he took Kittle for his.
That was part of it. He he stole Kittle because he's
going to. Yeah.
Got it. He took kettle.
Yeah. That seems unfair.
It is. I mean, he's, he's framing it
disingenuously. But yeah, yeah, that's part of
the fun of the of ADP chasing. I guess if you, I guess when you
say there's 12 teams, so you're just cutting it in half and
yeah, you get the top 6, I get the other six.
That's. I feel like everyone's been
pretty clear though, that it's like a a top seven, especially
an underdog. Literally everyone has been
clear by drafting those players together as opposed to and then
on the. Gap.
There's other sites even top eight with Ingram on like like
FFPC. I think there's good people on
both sides and that's why I have all the top seven tight ends mix
and match with every Brock Bowers configuration to match.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I'm overweight, all the
tight ends. I got a lot of I got a lot of a
Joku tight end 2 bags too. I mean, there's.
That's my own, like Pete Bestball Bros comment is I'll be
like, Oh yeah, I haven't gotten Kelsey with Bowers recently.
Or like, Oh yeah, I haven't had a pitch with Bowers.
It's always just like the other guys.
I have it paired with Bowers. That's great.
That's amazing. So there I think we should take
one of these tight ends. I think there's like a few tight
ends, let's do it. And then I think like.
The tight ends. I mean, we could take two, but I
just feel like we should probably, even though it's a
miracle throw, probably take a running back.
Yeah, I'm I'm fine. I'm the guy you want to keep
ducking. Running back idea.
Yeah, I'm fine with it. I would say I'm most interested
in the tight end at the very top of the queue.
Kind of your same thought process of like, where's Damien
Pierce on the depth chart? Like let's just see what these
snaps are like in Week 1. Probably be mine, but yeah,
that's a good one. Grudge too that you just put in.
I mean that's that's I'd be fine with that too.
I like that call. I don't.
I don't have a strong take, I'm just throwing names.
That look. I think I mean this is true just
like let's just see if they have any kind of semblance.
Of a role and we Burundo is interesting in terms of
definitely has more upside than the guy I'm thinking of, which
is Emmanuel Wilson. Mine is kind of like they're
clearly comfortable going into the season with Boyd not
practicing. Like if if Jacobs gets hurt Week
1, you know, it might be Wilson for a, for a good time, yeah.
They're very thin right now. I like it.
We might see a lot of Wilson in their first game, like we
honestly might see 30% of the snaps or something.
Which tight end do you like? Greg I.
I. Mean I'm open, but I like Mayer,
I think probably the best. Yeah, I think I like Craft or
Mayer the best, then Theo Johnson, then Disley are the
ones we have in the queue. I just think like it's there's a
greater than non zero chance that Tucker Kraft is just their
lead tight end like out of the gate and it would be a pretty
sick bink you. Think so if we're.
Just kind of wrong. I mean, the like the reading how
the beats have been talking about Kraft, like they've just
routinely said he's their best tight end.
Like like the past few weeks over.
And they drafted Hessgrave higher.
He played more as a rookie and he had a better yards per out
run. But yeah, but they, I mean, it's
hard because Musgrave got hurt, so it's hard to parse the end of
the season. But it did seem like Kraft was
at least even with him. And I just think, Mayor, I mean,
we're not going to be holding it like we know Bowers is just
going to come to. I guess it would be if we wanted
more of a spot start a spot start early, then I'm more
interested in to mayor as a. Whole I don't, I don't have any
information anywhere. So yeah, yeah, this is a good
take I want to get exposure to. This the information and then
easy cut if he's clearly behind Musgrave.
Can we cut him after the Thursday night game before
Sunday? I don't think so.
I mean, we we'd have we'd have some sick free runs here on, on
Wilson and Kraft, but I don't think, yeah, because it's
self-contained. I don't think they do that.
Yeah. That's, I mean, that's great
all. Right, we landed the plane.
Here's the team. CJ Stroud at quarterback right
here. We'll we'll go.
We'll start at the top. We we'll go.
Puka, Trey McBride, Kyle Pitts, Debo Samuel, Xavier Worthy, Roma
Dunze, Jane Reid, CJ Stroud, And then six straight running backs.
Rico Dowdell, Blake Gorm, Ray Davis, Braylon Allen, Kamani
Bedell, Antonio Gibson. Double tap these rookie wide
receivers Xavier Leggett and Jalen McMillan.
Grab it young ho ku, Cincinnati defense.
And then a little Packers cheese dip at the end.
Emmanuel Wilson and Tucker Craft.
How we feeling about this one guys?
Very. Team.
I know, yeah, Crutch doesn't like Rico, which is, you know,
he's the ninth round pick. So it's not key to the team, but
it's also kind of key cuz we're counting on him starting from
Week 1. But I don't know, I think it's a
really fun team. We went zero RB.
We get the elite quarterback at a very big discount and you guys
were really disciplined and making sure we just hit running
back six straight rounds, which we absolutely had to do.
I like the team. Yeah, I mean, I've been big on
Rico, especially in basketball where, you know, I think he just
like fits builds well because I do think he has kind of a, a
high floor in a sense. And like, I think it's
interesting to take him right next to core because like I
think he has like just as much contingent value as quorum in a
sense. But then he maybe he's the guy
to start, But the reason I've been, you know, kind of pulled
to him is that I think he lets you do stuff like there's
utility to Dowdle. And this would be like an
example of it. To me.
It was like we not only did we take him as our RB one in the
ninth round, the end of the ninth round, but then we took
upside swings after. I'm glad you guys pushed us away
from JK Dobbins and went to bigger swings.
Like I, I like him paired with a bunch of big swings.
Close it out with a guy we probably start Week 1 and
Gibson, but like this we're potentially scoring a lot of
points at running back in the, you know, back half of the
season. Like this is not, you know, we
did not punt running back here there there is upside.
But at the same time I think we we will score points.
We won. Yep.
Jaden Reed at 712 was really good too, especially with, I
don't know, I don't want to say a reach on a doomsday.
It's a reach by ADP. And there were a lot of quote,
UN quote, safe projectable volume receivers we passed on.
So that 2V2, that pairing ended up really nice to just still get
Jayden Reid after we took a Doonese there.
Yeah. Well, and a lot of the guys we
were talking about Kirk Allen, JSN, they almost all come back.
So I feel even better about grabbing Rome there because kind
of the other options, we're all making it back and then we get
one of those guys. And even with Reed, one of the
things to keep in mind is we took the two tight ends.
So like a doomsday was a bench player.
We're not playing 4 receivers. We're flexing 1 receiver and
reflexing a tight end week 1. And then we're playing the two
running backs. And so yeah, we're, I mean,
assuming we play worthy over read, maybe, maybe we would want
to play read. I don't know.
I, I'm totally down to play for safety worthy week 1.
But puka debo both those tight ends and then you have one flex
receiver out of Reed worthy of doons A.
You know. Rest of the bill.
One thing I was kind of curious about there was a potential 2V2
where we could have gone, let's say Chase Brown and Jordan love
as opposed to CJ Stroud and Blake horn.
Let's say do you guys because that love with the Reed pick
falling I, I did have him in the back of my mind.
I, I think I prefer this one, but what do you guys think?
I. I prefer this.
Maybe I'm underestimating Love's high on ceiling, but I prefer
this one just because I think there's a chance Stroud just
goes, you know, nuclear this year.
So I do prefer this one in in managed.
Like Leonie, I have kind of a meaningful gap on the QBs, but
if you ask me, Chase Brown. I didn't say Rico, Rico, that's.
Not what I said you never. It wasn't the two V2 you asked.
Yeah, it's hard to do the two V twos too, because you don't know
exactly like how other things would have changed.
Like, right, in theory we could have done, you know, Chiron and
Hollywood versus Debo and Quorum, but we don't know if it
really would have shook out that way because that's another
running back off the board, that's what.
That's what I was just looking at that exact what that ended up
being. So we had the Debo Stroud Rico.
I think a reasonable one would have been a Chiron, Hollywood,
Caleb. Those would have all have fit as
the the opposite of that. The Hollywood in 10, if I think
if we, if we, if we knew, if you 100% knew we were getting
Highwood in 10, we probably take Chiron you like.
Yeah, I think, I think you're right because it was, it was
pretty damn close to begin with. And that's a reasonable enough
tiebreaker. Yeah, that was that was a tough
decision point there, But I like I like this one.
It'll be fun to see how this shakes out.
There were definitely some super running back heavy teams in the
league, but we're going to be in such good shape at wide receiver
in tight end and quarterback that we've always said that too.
Like when you do the mega 0 RB having like, even even if one of
obviously like we can't afford one of these tight ends to bust,
but like even just nailing one of these guys in a huge way
would be such a a win in in that we've given ourselves so many
cracks at just an awesome starting lineup outside of
running back. Yeah, if we can, yeah, We can
survive the beginning of the season being so good at the
other positions and just having, you know, startable guys in Rico
and Gibson and then just, you know, one injury or one breakout
goes the right way at running back and then it's like, or
cocaine. I really, really like having
Videl and I know Gretsch that kind of tied the room together
for you too. But like there's one where we
don't need an injury, right? That's that's to me like, yeah,
you maybe it would help. But like, there's a case where
he's just good and by like week four or five, they're like, he's
our best back, right? That's what that's why I really
like him and I really like the Allen thing as well.
But it's, it's just, you know, you're behind Breece Hall, you
need an injury, right? And and no one really wants to
even think about Breece Hall getting hurt.
The I'm a little less in on Ray Davis and you guys.
I, I feel like the Buffalo running back situation is a
little tricky. Josh Allen rush TV's under the
new OC late last year. And then also just the profile.
I know like again, I, I, I end up leading on Sean a lot with
the, the prospect stuff, but I know he was not as high on Ray.
I think he would have had a like the whole Videl Lloyd, Braylon
Allen group ahead of Ray Davis. We had a.
Draft. But we do get two of those guys,
yeah. Yeah, we still got we got
multiple of them for sure. And and Quorum's another one
that from a profile and talent perspective perspective, I know
he was a little bit more down on some people have some questions
about, but Videl's one that like if you're into these, like the
idea of like the profile stuff like and Pat said like it
doesn't even necessarily take an injury if he's just, I think he
might play in week 1. Like that's one of my true CM
things is I think he's going to play like 30% of the snaps in
week 1 and people are going to be like, oh shit, he's this
year's chyron. After week, we're trying to.
Figure out and. Even.
That. Would be fucking fun.
Yeah, we've, we've been legit talking about that doing the DFS
projections where it's like is, is he going to play like more of
a pass down role? Like, because we're like short
on running back targets for the team and we're like.
Right, Gus doesn't play in the pass downs.
JK Dumps is still coming back from an Achilles like and he's a
really good pass blocker. There's some stuff that he can
do. Overall, they gave him a lot of
work in that second game and then they put him on ice in the
third game. In the preseason, everyone's was
worried about that first game, which rightfully so, but they
they gave him like 14 touches. He was 11 rushes and three
catches in the second game. Used him a lot but they wanted
to get a look at him clearly and then they put him on ice.
And Patterson's practice squad, right?
I mean, he's not, he's not even up with the team, right?
It's just those 3 running backs. They brought it.
No, They brought in Hassan Haskins, who Arbach coached in
college. But somebody pointed out that he
plays special teams. So I mean, he wasn't with them
all August. I doubt he's like a big but
he'll be active probably. Leoni, it's always a pleasure
getting to draft with you and like I said, we're gonna draft
another one of these in a few days.
Won't be on stream, but we'll be sure to post the the final
version of that team on Twitter. Same same format, 5K, big
playback. It's just three of us are going
to be in Vegas and we will miss you.
Leone, I know you guys are deep in the lab for all things week
1. Anything you want people to
check out over at Establish the Run right now?
Yeah, just we got our DFS stuff going, so check that out.
The Sims were teaming up with solver to work on.
I'm really excited for those this year.
You'll be able to edit your the projection on a player and have
the SIM kind of adjust, not perfectly, but enough good
enough that if you have your own takes, I think that'll be really
valuable. You shouldn't do it for like
every player, but if you have like three to five guys, you're
just like, oh, the Stroud stacks are better than, you know, ECR
projects. I think that is is going to be a
lot of fun to be able to fool around with that and see like at
what point does it become plus ROI or not.
So yeah, check that stuff out, yeah.
We used to bully the optimizer and now you can bully The Sims.
That's how we do it. Pat, what do you got going on
over at Legendary Upside here? I know you just released your
content schedule for in season. Yeah, Steph Miller just had an
article out today as we talked about her, her fabulous waiver
wire article. So check that out.
I'm working on the walkthrough, which is going to drop before I
head out to Vegas. Got Matt Irby, a new writer on
the site who's going to be profile or previewing the
Thursday Night Football game every week and also doing this
Sunday and Monday night games every week.
He's also doing the Friday night game this week.
So ton of content coming out and we're also adding weekly
rankings. So I'm going to do weekly
positional redraft rankings with help from Steph Miller, Miller,
Daniel Razz and Sacrilegious. Awesome Gretsch, putting a bow
on your redraft content. What can people expect here?
What should they check out other than a flurry of posts over the
past couple weeks? Yeah, I mean, basically the
whole month it's been a lot of content.
Probably gonna close that down for the rest of the week for the
trip to Vegas. And then obviously stealing
signals will be in in boxes next Monday, tomorrow at I believe, I
guess it'd be 1 Eastern 10 Pacific.
I think it is. Sean and I are reged for a main
and going to be in streaming that on the stealing signals
YouTube. So come hang if you want to
watch a main tomorrow morning or awesome depending where you.
Are a few ship chasing, housekeeping things?
So like I said, we're heading out to Vegas on Thursday.
If you guys are around drafting, definitely come say hi.
We will be at the Thursday night watch party Friday.
We're hosting our own party after the game.
That's gonna be at Blondies, which is in the Planet Hollywood
complex there, not far from where all of the drafts are
taking place. That's open to anyone.
We just rented the backroom, so feel free to swing by.
If you guys are in Vegas, there's going to be a lot of
ship chasers there hanging out. And I should also mention if you
guys are YouTube members in in the Discord, there's a thread
within the main ship chasing channel just for Vegas.
So if you guys are going and you're in there, I know people
have been making some plans for Wednesday night and other
things. Definitely hop in there.
That'll be probably a good point of communication.
Otherwise, yeah, we'll see you in Vegas.
And then as far as programming next week we're going to have,
so the ADP chasing guys just announced they're going to be
doing an hour show on Mondays in season that shows going to
continue. We will have the return of stat
chasing with Draco and Sacrilegious.
That's going to be on Tuesday nights.
And then we'll have the ship cast every single Thursday night
at 8:00 PM Eastern, our live hang sponsored by Underdog where
we'll share pickums, bring on guests, what the games,
giveaways, halftime pickums, all that good stuff.
So the channel is going to be firing in season.
Can't wait for all of that. And thank you for everyone who's
watched the draft streams here in August.
I know we all had best ball brain there for a while, but
nothing's better than getting into into the high stakes
streets and getting to draft these teams.
And again, thank you to staff for being our waiver Sherpa
throughout all of this. And yeah, we'll catch you guys
on the other side. Come say hi if you're in Vegas.
And good luck with your Huskies bags, that's all I can say.
Pray a little.