All right, Pat we are really battling the elements here.
Getting these minisodes recorded.
We've actually made our third and fourth round pick here.
We had quite the sweat for our, third round, pick, or ultimately
happy with it, but it wasn't exactly what we wanted.
Yeah, we talked on the previous podcast about wanting AJ Brown
to fall to us. He got within one pick, he goes
right before us. We knew we had either AJ brown
or t Higgins lined up with our pick, both those guys available
but the brown Snipes still really hurt.
I think partially because like I'm taking Jamal KC G against
together and best ball. Yeah, I don't really have an
issue doing that, but it does feel a little bit less exciting
in the main event. We're like you're starting both
of those guys. If you make that the finals,
you're starting both those guys in your line and most likely,
they're probably not having gigantic weeks together.
So it's just a little less exciting than, you know,
Imagining the upside scenario playing operate a brown and
plugging him in which our chase, ya know, I feel the same way and
it's definitely we are all kind of locked in right now to having
done a ton of drafts and underdogs format where the, you
know, a Essentially, the for uncorrelated tournaments, these
Spike weeks from teammates can kind of really work out in a
nice way. But in this one where we're
looking at, you know, a million-dollar top prize to a
week, 15 through 17 cumulative scoring, I do think it kind of
hurts us, you know, the other teams like, if we're getting
ceiling games from two to three, AJ Brown weeks, weeks, 15
through 17 and 2 to 3 or 2 ceiling games from Jamar Chase,
that's probably better than, you know, even alternating Jamar
chased, e Hagin ceiling game. So I do think it kind of hurts
us overall. It also lowers our floor for
sure, in our individual 12-man League, you know, I think
there's, you know, the games where the Bangles go off.
We're going to be very well positioned, but we're going to
have, you know, assuming we also Target Joe burrow which I think
is likely, we're going to also have some weeks where the
Bangles just have rough weeks and that's going to just really
crater our team because we're going to be taking on Extreme
levels of variance, just on a week-to-week basis.
We lost past, but yeah, so we'll talk Through this while Pat hops
back on. So yeah, we were really pulling
for AJ Brown, you know, T Higgins is like an awesome
consolation prize like, you know, it's just in the context
of having taken your March a swear.
It's it just feels a little bit weird but it's like who can be
upset? That is Jamar Chase.
Kyle pits T Higgins. Start.
Yeah, I do think it also helps us take down the week, like, you
mention it, lowers our floor, but it also increases our
ceiling for winning the league, you know, and there is some
piece of money and just winning your 12-team league.
And then I also think like, you know, there are scenarios where
T Higgins has a smash week to Mark, chases fine, Jamar, Chase
has another has a smash week. Digging the spite of we do, get
Borough paired up with them then still.
I feel like we have a pretty darn high ceiling over through
periods. With these three players we're
going to need to hit on some other pics obviously.
But everyone else is going to need to do that too.
So I guess I mean maybe we should talk about why we picked
e Hagins over. Some of the remaining guys on
the board because all we've done is talk about how it hurts our
ceiling. But I still think he's a tier
above, you know, the guys like Mike Williams.
James, Conner. David Montgomery went right
after Travis etn, Nick Chubb, and then Waller.
And Kittle, I think a very good picks in this range, but we
already had pets. And I think, I like having the
extra wide receiver Firepower over second side in that early.
Yeah, that was really our big conversation.
I think we teed it up in the last mini.
So talking through what? The two V2s would look like with
wide receiver. In the second round, tight end
in the third because like Pat said, we'd obviously have access
to Waller kid'll. So we ultimately were looking at
Debo Waller verse, Kittle T Higgins.
And but at the time we also knew we had outs for AJ, Brown there.
And I think all of us were like Of us pits AJ Brown for sure.
And that to be too. I think in retrospect it is a
little close, right? Like, I don't know.
If you could tell me right now, we could swap this this start
and have Depot in Waller. I mean, would you undo it
knowing knowing how it went? I think I prefer pits Higgins to
Debo Waller but that's in a vacuum you know if we had just
in Jefferson instead of Chase I definitely would.
Yeah but it is closed. Once you add the fact that we
have Chase and you know, unless some weird stuff happens.
We're like Chase. Misses a game.
We've hit on another smash cake layer and Tegan's is like the
wide receiver to, you know, ranks going into week 15 or
something. He smashes and then you didn't
chase goes back and crutches. Like I guess those scenarios
could play out but overall, you probably probably do prefer the
Debo to V2. Having Jason Higgins together, I
think right? Yeah, no, I do as well.
And it's like, you know, I know people are getting high on Mike
Williams. He's going at the two, three,
turn on Underdog and a lot of drafts, he's flipped Keenan
Allen, a decent amount on Underdog.
But like to me there's such a massive like the way I view T
Higgins. Like I've UT Higgins is being
closer to CD lamb, like it's like atoms and digs go off the
board then I think it should be like Debo Higgins and lamb and
instead we had Tyree kill Keenan.
Alan Michael, Pittman, you know, all go ahead of him so like I do
feel like we got a legit value on Higgins at this cost.
It's just, we're feeling somewhat conflicted about it
because we also have to March Ace For sure.
Yeah. I think I think that's really
what it comes down to. I think this is an incredible
price for Higgins. I think he's undervalued.
In general, I take them on the two, three turn and Underdog.
A fair amount. Obviously it's a wide receiver
bit more valuable. Info PPR.
So I love them at this price. I don't know that maybe this is
like a super hot take but I think he's better in real life
than CD lamb. Yeah.
So like I think if Higgins was on the Cowboys instead of lamb
we do really Really excited. You know, I Lambs already gone
on the ones who turn but I think we might see him go.
We're kind of work Diggs is if he was in that situation.
So I don't know to get the player of that Talent level is
so exciting to get a player on offense.
I think I take a step forward in terms of our past volume because
their offensive line has gotten so much better.
Particularly in pass blocking their okay and run blocking last
year but they should be a lot better this year's pass blocking
unit. They were quite passionately two
years ago unders. Taylor, I know he was pretty
disappointing as play-calling at times last year, but I think
there's a lot of upside for this offense, to embrace the engine
of their offense being burrow in these two receivers.
So I think, you know, from a kind of an in-season ceiling
perspective, it's an awesome move over a three-week period,
not as exciting a brown, but still happy to get them.
Yeah. And I mean, we did, you know,
Gretch Gretch has traveling right now.
He'll be back for our other minisodes but you know, he
mentioned, you know, chub and ETS.
In here as well just as viable options but none of us were
passing on AJ Brown and Higgins. It was more if you know, Brown
and Higgins went and we were more debating like Keenan Allen
and Pittman verse like etn in chub.
Maybe we would have thought about grabbing a little third
round. Anchor running back here, but
ultimately there was no way we were not taking Higgins.
Here, already having locked up a tight end.
And, you know, I think all of us feel pretty big tear gap down to
Mike Williams after that. Yeah, the thought of getting
snagged on Higgins and AJ Brown actually gave me a pit in my
stomach. So I do feel like we made the
right decision to go Higgins over.
I mean, chubbin a third round. His job is so good that in the
third round he went three twelve year.
I mean that's we're not really targeting that archetype like
ever but like that's an awesome pick at 3:12.
Yeah. And so then we I think we kind
of knew how the board was going to fall that like unless we got
like an insane briefs Hall fall like I think it breathe All fell
to us here at the in the late 4th.
We would have been pretty interested in that but we were
always kind of on wide receiver watch here.
We had obviously a bunch of running backs.
Go on the board. If you're listening to the audio
version we had after Mike Williams.
James Conner, David Montgomery, George kiddo, went then etn chub
Hall at the 3/4 turn and then of course, we see one of our
favorites, go DJ more and then Sutton waddle go who were all on
our short list and, you know, we were then kind of, I believe our
decision. I mainly came down to Marquis
Brown versus deante Johnson, at this point.
Yeah, you made a really strong point on on Brown, which what
you should make here. Yeah, I mean, you know, in you
also brought up to so Brown is definitely going much earlier.
Well, not much, but he's going earlier than this on Underdog.
He's more of a 3/4 turn pick and he has the market has kind of
started to Value him. Ahead of even, you know, DJ more
and in waddle a bit. But my thought on Marquis Brown
is we know he's going to get off to a fast start because he can
be a Target hog. With DeAndre Hopkins out, we saw
even the Ravens using him as a bit of a Target hog kind of you
know moving past just being a downfield player.
So I like that heat in this format.
We can get off to a fast start with him which I think is, you
know, something historically. We've struggled with
specifically with 0r B bills that aren't giving us enough
point. So I like that Firepower early.
I also think he just has outs to dig weeks in the playoffs even
win Hopkins. Returns they also they mean the
Cardinals have just a beautiful chefs kiss playoff schedule so
that Also come in handy, you know, with that million dollar
top prize. And then, you know, finally to
like, you know, obviously, we're going to want to get Joe
Borough, but we're also open to some of these other Russian
cubies and want to be open to them falling at good prices.
So, getting a potential stack with Marquis Brown where it's
like, hey, we can get our access to the Bangles via Chase and
Higgins. We don't necessarily have to
force a Borough selection, like I really feel good about how
this kind of lined up for us. I do too.
Yeah, I love the quote about getting off to a fast start.
That's that's one of the things that really sold me on Brown /
Johnson, I think is fairly close.
But yeah, I mean this is shaping up as a zero running back
though, there's something very akin to that.
So getting a fast start wide receiver.
I think it's really nice. The point on the gap between
this ATP and underdogs ATP. That that's a product because
one I think underdogs ATP is pretty sharp.
So you kind of get it's like another Market thinks he would
be screaming value here. Also like, you know, he could
catch quite a few passes perhaps a lot more than we're used to
from Marquis Brown. Yeah, especially early in the
season. So you know, the PPR element, I
think it is pretty nice to get them at a discount to a half P
drdp. But then also like, This is one
of the first Main Events, right? So we could see some shifts in
the ATP going forward. So ultimately, maybe the ATP
moves towards Underdog here and we get a really, really nice ATP
value on Marquis Brown, you know, potential unique
construction, which could be quite nice in the three-week
period. If we make it there.
Yeah, no, I definitely think he could be someone that's going to
climb up and it is, you know, deante Johnson, I think is an
incredibly solid A pic. I know Gretsch has his been in
on Johnson. I know we've taken him on a few
of our streams, specifically Underdog streams to, but, yeah.
Marquis Brown seems just like a really, really nice pic for us
and I do, I know we all want to prioritize an elite quarterback
to and I do just like that this kind of gives us access to
really smart ways to do that. Whereas if we can get Kyler at a
value that then we'll really commit deflate, the pressure on
unlocking and burrow. Yeah, I think Kyler might we'll
both quarterbacks actually I think set up okay for us in
terms of pockets yeah Tyler might come back to us in a
sixth, right? And then we could be potentially
looking at Borough in the eighth or ninth.
So, I really do like having the out to an elite quarterback is
the one of the things that burrows.
Like, although it would be really nice to have him with
this top to pass catchers. He doesn't not going to the
rushing upside of Kyle. Sorry and I don't know, part of
me feels like we may be captured the entire Bangles passing game
already, so we get. Yeah, we get the upside with the
rushing. Maybe maybe that's just as good.
Yeah, and you mentioned it to, I mean, we're clearly on a path
for a true zero are be built here.
I mean, all of us are were open to certain, you know, values
falling. Like I mentioned, I think res
Hall would have been a very fun pick if he fell, you know, in
the fourth year. But the way this is setting up
now, I know We have a couple targets, we really like in the
early 5th. You know, if Gabriel Davis, is
there, if Rashad Bateman is there, you know?
Those are guys that are just going to be very very tough for
us to pass up on and then we're also like you said going to
maybe be looking at quarterback in round six potentially if
Kyler's there so I think we are on a trajectory for a very true
0r B build. You know, once Dobbins goes off
the board here, you know, Hall and Dobbins have really kind of
been my dead zone exception. Ztn as well.
His Deep he's gone up though. So I have a hard time seeing us
taking a running back in these next couple rounds right now.
Dobbins was the one I have my eye on, you know if you were to
get back just which is a long shot and he goes couple pics
after weeks a very, very nice but I guess after we took Brown.
So yeah I don't really see who he would take.
I'm kind of sitting out this like next year and a half.
So and I think we're set up well like and that's actually one of
the reasons why I like to Brown in the fast start arguments so
much is that you know it's like okay well Dobbins doesn't make
it back and you probably won't we're totally set up or as
You're a flake. This is going to be a true zero
running back build. So yeah get in that fast.
Start is important in that build which can give a talk to a
little bit of a slow start at the running back position as
well. But I mean this is this is still
like a really juicy time I think for some of these are running
back targets will probably have to be a little bit.
Ricci with some of the guys that we like it running back because,
you know, we're used to Underdog where they were drafters can
only stop drafting running backs.
Once once they have enough, then that might not happen here.
Yeah, no, for sure. And I do, I do agree.
And we always if you guys have been watching the show for
years, I mean Pat and I always reference the main event from, I
don't know what it has been three years ago.
Basically, it was the Darwin Thompson and Justice Hill year
and you know Pat and I are To pull off a 0, RB build.
And you're looking at these boards and these were the trendy
guys, going the 11th 12th round throughout the offseason, and
then they're going in the seventh and eighth round.
By the time, ffs PC draft weekend, kicks off.
So I do agree with path that. You know what drives running
back ADP is kind of projectable volume and we have a lot of
ambiguity with these back fields right now and I think that's
keeping there, a TPS, you know, bogged down a little bit in a
nice range whereas as we get more Or clarity as the season
moves on like the cream of the crop 0.
RB targets, are naturally going to get pushed up.
Whereas right now we just really haven't had that yet and I do
still agree that they the popular.
Guys, your Pollard, your AJ Dylan.
They're still going to be hot Commodities, but I do think just
in general. It's and I'd actually it's
really interesting because Sean might disagree with this.
I know he likes to draft later in the season.
We have more information but I do think it's much easier to
build like a 0. R.
Be super team earlier in the offseason.
There's just going to be so many more values to be had.
I completely agree with that. And I mean the FPC guys like you
know, they they pay a lot of attention to the news and
Journey camp reports and the buzz and stuff.
Like you know if Ramon Dre looks like he might start for the
Patriots by, you know, a couple weeks after the season, like
he's legit challenging for the starting job.
Like that is going to be fully baked in to September ATP and
ffp. See like, you know, we have our
disagreements Agreements with some of the FTC drafters about
like, you know, wide receiver value running back value,
structural Drafting and stuff, but like I'm not sleeping on
their ability to price in all the fat out outside training
camp. Yeah.
And it's the reason you can't be asleep at the wheel is because
we are racing to fill our Flex with wide receivers.
Well they're racing to fill their Flex with running backs.
So like we are going to meet in the middle, trying to get, you
know, a head-on collision. I was trying to get an D1 and
their them trying to get there are before for the flex.
And, you know, both of those pockets of the draft are going
to be attractive to 0, RB drafters and running back
running back lovers trying to start for running back so yeah.
And something will have to be cognizant of but I do think
we're going to be like just knowing like the Heinz and the
gain Wells. And you know these rookies right
now who you know, like we haven't gotten a ton of buzz on
Spiller and cook and you're starting to just hear it a
little bit now. Now and they're going to start
to inch up. So it's like I'm now being like
let's get this draft go and you know I want to get to the 10th
11th. Yeah guys, before the news
reports come out, Yeah, there were some stuff on Rashad white,
this week Gregg Allman Zone, a good football show mentioning.
He's like he's I think he's the number two back like this.
Again the Keyshawn Von situation he's already been over 2 so like
stuff like that. He's kind of you got to dig for
it a little bit more right now once you stop having to dig for
it, once it's like just kind of known for just like on all of
the newspaper sites and stuff. Yeah, all these guys probably
move up all the guys we want right now is probably going to
move up by two rounds. So this, this will be a fun one.
I don't know if whenever we've done the minisodes, I'm pretty
sure we've always had an anchor running back, so I believe this
might be our first minisode kickoff draft where we've gone
trees. Here are B.
So this will be fun will get grach back in the fold.
I know all of us have been like traveling and moving around.
I'll be back at my computer here, for the next couple of
pics at So appreciate you guys tuning in.
We'll keep walking through our thought process with this Main
Event. If you're listening to the audio
version, we are to recap Jamar Chase.
Kyle pits, T, Higgins. Marquis Brown heading into the
fifth round here. Pat, anything else?
I'm forgetting Now we get another one, receiver in the
fifth, another wide receiver in the fifth can never get enough
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