1. Hi everybody, welcome to Ship
Chasing for Tonight Show Chasing.
It's the Deep End Invitational. I'm Mike Show.
My partner and I, Adam Pratwurst at the Deep End have created
this tournament. We're lucky to bring on some of
the very best in the business and it's a ship chasing crew
tonight. It's loaded.
I'll tell you everything about it once we get started.
Should be a fun night. Thanks for watching.
Pat Fryer, Helmo. This is why.
This is why I'm hot. Anita hand job.
Fix your sight, Jamar. And alpha play chase you.
Can't handle the heat. It looks like we're.
Finally, at this point, you're right.
So are we all set to take? Yeah, to take Patrick Mahomes to
to make Davis feel like he's going to get shot because he's
in the one O 4 and the Mahomes went one O.
One oh man wish that. Upon me.
Oh, Davis, He thought he was getting Mahomes.
Hey, Mike, you. Yeah.
You want to explain to people why there's a million
quarterbacks going off the board in this?
Draft So this is year five of the Deep End Invitational,
formerly known as the Draft Sharks Invitational.
Pete was our first champion and we have 4 divisions of 12 teams.
It is the FFPC Rotoviz try flex format.
So you start up to two quarterbacks, 2 running backs, 3
receivers, one tight end and then two additional flex players
or three if you end up with one quarterback somehow.
Basically you want as many starters.
You know, I think this is a a great format because the better
the deeper your team is, the more quality players you have,
the better you'll do, unlike some formats which are more top
heavy. So that's what we're going for
and we're Adam on his behalf. And I are very fortunate that so
many stocks, if I may, in the fantasy industry have taken
part, including especially tonight.
And is this best ball? It is best ball, OK.
It's like a premium, yeah. 'Cause it's like a premium,
people don't know. People don't know they'll.
Find out just for the audience, you know, just for.
The audience, yes. Yeah, go ahead.
I was just going to say, normally we try to get in
separate drafts the ship chasers, you know, we don't want
to trip over each other trying to go after the same players,
but all your other Invitational draft slots were on Thursdays
when we have streams. So we just all ended up by
necessity, in the same Wednesday night draft.
And I just got really unlucky I guess.
It happened last year too. I was in with you guys last
year. We didn't do a stream there, but
you know, hey, we're we're thrilled to have you.
So may I introduce everybody else in the in the draft?
All right, team one is Scott Connor, Dynasty and chill
destination Debbie, 6th in the main event last year with Jay
Reid, One of the sharpest guys I know.
Two is Ben. Three is Pat 4 is Davis Maddock,
who's got six other drafts right now that he has to be, you know,
with and that's fine. It makes sense.
It's that time of year. Five is AB Bagmetoba, who won
the fantasy pros and then the football guys championships at
FFPC twice in a row. Not bad.
Six is Dave Hubbard. I think you guys know that name.
Long time stud in the high stakes space. 7 is Fantasy Mojo
Darren Armani, eight is Joey Brown, who's won a lot of money
at a lot of different sites including the FFPC. 9 is Pete,
10 is Louie G, who I've been in Vegas with last few years
drafting main event teams with analytics are for the nerds.
It's his podcast. 11 is Jacob and 12 is Scott Pianowski from
Yahoo. Great career.
Nice. Awesome.
Every draft is different. Adam's goal for this was to make
it like the most even position choices you have as early as the
first round. So many drafts we do look look
so much the same here. The first night 6 if not 7
quarterbacks went right from the jump.
And then the second draft, which was last Thursday, a little bit
less like that and tonight the least like that with Davis
taking CD Lamb at 4:00. That's the that's the earliest.
What's the earliest non quarterback?
McCaffrey might have done that early last week.
I'll check. But earliest for Lamb, we've got
Pete on the clock, starting with Tyreek Hill.
And he goes Tyreek Hill, Garrett Wilson.
I'm, I'm making sure to service the audio listeners.
It's what I do. I mean, I'm in radio.
So are you? Are you?
Aware of this on camera. Draft just wanna.
Confront. Wait.
I kind of the whole point was Mike was gonna host and I was
just gonna zone out. So I actually haven't been
listening. To what he how many wide
receivers can we start? I'm actually this is a serious
question. It's it starts. 2/5 and then.
There's. One flex and there's a superflex
or there's two flex. Two flex and a superflex so.
That's the drive you. Can start up to five wide.
Receivers. Wait, it isn't it?
And that's five not including the Superflex, right?
Oh, it starts 3 receivers right, +2 flash plus the scuba flash.
So you could you could. Fill 6 receiver spots if you're
going to meet. If anybody's going to do it
over. Here brother, this is going to
be the busiest piss boys. Draft time to contact your
urologist. But you have the quarterback
challenges and you have the tight end thirst that happens in
every one of these FFPC drafts. Pat and I did pros versus Joe's
in the same group and Pat went pits at 2:11 in that.
It might have been tight end 5 or even 6.
Just you know how it is on the ends especially.
You feel like you've got to do that pretty early.
For sure. Yeah, I, I was torn.
I I did think about taking Stroud at 9 and I just, I
couldn't bring myself to do it there.
Pete starts Tyree killed Garrett Wilson and Jacob starts CJ
Stroud. Justin Jefferson right after
that at 11. Three running backs through the
1st 21 picks McCaffrey, Hall, Robinson.
No surprise Pat is up with Hertz.
A.J. Brown was taken I.
Knew you were going to go puka I.
Kind of take it. Oh, we got Pat and Ben side by
side. Yeah, I got Pat fucking boxing
me in every. Single time.
Now that's going to be so fun. Yeah, enjoy your followers that
you'll never see. Right, it's going to be awesome.
That's right, we're allowed to swear.
That's right. Ship chasing.
Not like my radio life. Where?
Fuck it, I'm just taking training right?
I knew. You were a man.
Like N1. Yeah, Mike, do you want to get
it out of your system now that you're not on public?
Airways he's. Like fuck, shit balls.
Oh, that feels so good. Somewhere that is in me, but it
never comes out. I don't know.
It could tonight. We'll see if you piss me off,
but I won't. I won't.
I won't be like that because I'm a guest here.
Even though I'm a host, I'm a guest.
Now make yourself right at home. I am at home, actually, Grand
Island, NY I was watching what was it last year, Pete, where
your flight home from Las Vegas. You landed in Buffalo?
Yeah. Yeah, that was last year and I
was like thinking about looking up Leoni.
I'm like if I'm going to be stranded in this bum ass town
to. Be clear.
Did you intentionally fly to Buffalo?
I know that's been a harder thing for some of us.
But no, that's, that's a Jacob problem.
You know, I actually had his ticket back to Boston.
Each flight had to land in Buffalo and he had Adam Levitan
on the stream and Adam says there's a airport in Buffalo.
Which? That was great to hear.
There's an NFL team in Buffalo. I don't know about an airport,
but yeah, you know, somehow we, we make it work. 3 quarterbacks
for Scott Connor at the one. Mahomes, Caleb Williams, Trevor
Watts. Pressure's on.
Oh, then goes Alan Mcgladden. Kincaid.
With Kelsey. Wow, Laporta getting absolutely
disrespectful. Well, I mean, I got Alan.
I wanted to take Laporta, but that's why I took my I was like
you, man. Fuck that's something to my brag
and kid. Another thing about this is it's
in my opinion it's just tournament enough where the
overall winner out of four leagues wins a main event
ticket. Next year the remaining three
league winners win a fantasy pros ticket.
So fine, but if you win the overall, that's better.
And so you are, you know, it's not best Ball Mania, but you are
competing against three other leagues where I think that would
make stacking, you know, more important.
Yeah. Davis is ready to take Xavier
Worthy at the three O 4. I believe Davis is doing a main
event draft right now concurrently with this.
Yes, that's fantastic. Yeah, and we are in a slow draft
together, but he. We can only start two
quarterbacks, correct? I'm just trying to figure out
yeah, 1 hole, OK? It's he's starving the beast.
I'm certainly feeling starved on the other side of the board.
I don't say that much. Yeah.
Right quarterback what? 1413 in Lawrence, halfway
through round three. First round goes Mahomes, Alan
Hertz, Lamb, McCaffrey, Breece Hall.
Fantasy Mojo takes Lamar Jackson.
He's got his play here if he wants it.
Joey Brown and Monroe St. Brown.
Tyree Kill to Pete, Anthony Richardson to Louis.
Louis never misses Anthony Richardson, which is not a bad
thing. Jacob takes Stroud and then
Bijan with then Jamar Chase to Scott Pianowski.
Come on, Mojo, right? We know this one.
We don't. I don't Saquon.
Now, this is pretty late for Barkley in this format, right?
Well, I will. I will tell you.
In the first draft he went 311 or is there an inside joke?
In the second draft, he went through town.
Mojo gave us a bunch of crap for not mentioning that Barkley went
the late, I think the latest he dawned in a draft, so I just
enjoy him taking him here. One of the best inside jokes in
fantasy right now, I think, is that Pat doesn't play guitar.
I mean, that's a great idea. Having guitars I should have
done. I should have thought of that.
Just having guitars behind you. It's.
Just the vibe, right? It's just.
The vibe wins. I mean, what's what's better for
somebody to have going on behind, you know, in one of
these? I've been told a lot of things
I've I've I've gotten some other suggestions.
Throw some guitars back there, all right?
Pete's on the board with Brock Purdy.
Is he good? Yeah, I hope so.
I just capitulated to this format you guys got that makes
me draft Brock Purdy in round three.
I know. I mean, my tight end, tight end
thing was fun when I did it, but in hindsight, I'm like, I wish I
would have taken Caleb or Lawrence at 2:11 and just got
the two quarterbacks. I'm never Pat's going to take
anyone that I want. I mean, I'm never going to get a
quarterback. We're just going one
quarterback. Fuck it.
This happened to me last year, it was ugly.
There's 2 rainbow starts, right? There's the Pat 1 Hertz, Nikua,
Kelsey and then the Lamar Brown, Barkley, I guess three, and then
the Breece, Jayden and La Porta. All right, Pete's up with the
fourth round pick, Scott Pianowski, Bijon Chase, Tua and
Cousins. Jacob Goes, Stroud, Jefferson,
Herbert and the stack with Nico Collins.
And there's Andrews to Lou. I thought for sure Mojo would
take Andrews, but I'm not saying he's wrong.
And then Kittle to Pete with Purdy.
That was the plan. Yeah, it was the plan.
I was hoping a couple. Well, yeah, once I did that, I
mean, it was just Pitts is the other pick there, and I'm
already committed to pushing this quarterback thing to a
devastating conclusion. Last year we.
Ride, dude, we ride. Last year it got so bad for me
at quarterback, I drafted Aidan O'Connell before it was over and
the long forgotten Malik Cunningham.
Just, you know, you got to hope and pray by the end of these if
you don't get 2 starters. You know what I think is
interesting right now is Pennex because I mean the summer's
almost over and has anybody drafted Michael Pennex once in
an underdog or in, you know, a tournament?
Why would you? I'm not talking dynasty
obviously, but everything sounds so good on him that I don't
know, like maybe he could be live this year.
It's either that or the Falcons are like gaslighting us from
making him think he's so good. Like we got to just sit him down
for the preseason. You know we can't see him.
Like I, I play a decent on a dynasty basketball and like you
usually want ideally 4 quarterbacks, right?
And not everybody's going to be able to get three starting
quarterbacks. So I, I think for sure in the
last rounds, drafting some of the higher upside backups,
definitely, definitely in play. You guys are enjoying as much as
I am that we are in the middle of the fourth round and there
have been 4 running backs drafted.
Yeah. Don Brand Premier Gibbs is on
the board at four O 8. I thought I might bring sort of
the the right level of Boomer to the operation where maybe that
would balance things out, but maybe not even actually who.
Knows he's he's he's got to swim ahead of the avalanche here the
Olave FEC I. Mean I'm pumped to take my third
tight end here in a minute. It fucking yes.
There you go. Somebody take pitch for the love
of God, hey? You can watch two tight ends
every week, Ben, you can you. Definitely can.
Round three. Let's just run through that.
I guess maybe I didn't do round two.
I don't need to do all these. I'm not going to.
I mean, come on, what do you want to know?
Audio listeners are getting overly serviced.
The audio listeners are are falling away.
Overly serviced? Oh yeah.
I can see into my future. I can see into my future and
that future includes needing Justin Fields to start by Week
2. Over under 13 1/2 the round that
you draft Nick Mullins. God, yeah.
I think we might take like a, a handcuffing approach to the
Minnesota quarterbacks Is is maybe what we're thinking.
Is fields anymore even like the number one backup?
Yeah, I think he's got to be. I haven't heard that floated.
What are you even floating, Mike?
Who's The Who would be the number two over him?
Well, you know it wouldn't be Brissette.
What's Waddell's deal? I just drafted him.
He's gone now, but somebody was asking about his health stuff
and I was like, I don't even know.
I. Think he's a cat?
He had a cat injury. Leave on his cat.
Injury people don't seem that worried yet.
Right, OK. But I also have like 24% Jill
and Waddle so I'm as soon as I see you don't need to be
worried, I stopped reading. I just choose to not be worried
so. I know I'm I.
Considered him there, but this one for the big swing.
Malik Yeah. I mean, I wanted neighbors.
Actually, science to unretire #1.
I was like Pat D Waddle, and then I saw you.
Do you knew you? Could see, yeah, just like he's
got week six buys. He's not taking waddle.
God damn it. Does does Malik Washington get
drafted? Yeah, I literally didn't
remember his name. I had to Google him after the
first time you mentioned him. All right, Well, you're back.
You know you got it. You're back.
Start around 5 Scott Conner, 3 quarterbacks and an Ingram to go
with Lawrence. Nice.
I'm feeling bullied. Man, no wide receivers, no
running backs through 4:00. 4 running backs through 49 picks
do. You know what's fun to think
about right now is that Davis is just like multi tabling, like
he's just on his phone, right Josh?
Just complete vibes based ripping in pics right now
throughout this draft. Anything to work?
Not a bad start. See DAC.
Let's do a. Grown ass man.
Nice. Still no Jonathan Taylor going.
There it is, but there's it. Is a free.
Role. Guys, he said.
Pat, does it feel weird to take Drake May to set up Pulk instead
of vice versa? No, it feels great.
It feels better. Wait.
So that took that took two seconds.
Were you running the clock down on the neighbors pick for waddle
or for you were trying to? Figure out if no, no, I knew I
was like I can't take May over Waddler neighbors like that's
too high a wider seed or caliber I can take.
I can take him over like, you know, Adam.
'S it wasn't figured if he come back, it was figured what was
too high, he testified taking it Ben sniping.
Pad on Drake May would have been tremendous.
Content. I thought you were going to do
it. I actually thought you were.
Going to do it after this entire summer of every stream that
either of us does. Ben just getting subject to
constant FUD on Drake May A. Little I messaged that recently
because I started taking a lot of Pulk to set up May and then I
was putting May in my queue every time after I took Polk and
I start, I've timed out Maya in like the one 35140 range I think
three Times Now. So I'm going to have the lowest
average draft position of Drake May of anyone in the whole
contest. What is the right?
Plenty of Drake May and it's going to be I'm going to look so
bullish, I'm going to be taking them pick 150 on average.
After everything you guys have talked about all summer,
tomorrow they announce it. What are the what is the over on
the right over under on with when he goes in?
Is it week one? No, it be like it's week.
One, I think now it has to be shout out to crack rock, who you
know, he's kind of the sex Panther of of you know, insiders
where it's sort of 60% of the time it works every time.
But he has and we're doing a draft with him tomorrow, main
event tomorrow. But he has said he's gotten word
that Drake May is going to be announced at starter tomorrow.
So wow, that's that's why you just take him in the the 5th
man. You don't let you don't let
Pete. Yeah.
He's the sex Panther of Adam Schefters, of something, someone
else. Yeah, he's a Sex Panthers.
He's the Sex Panther of Adam Schefters.
No, he has to be a third one. I I'm not smart enough to know
how to do those. I just want to say one other
thing about Davis snap picking Bo Nicks after he after Pat took
Drake. May has the same energy as
naming his puppy Murphy after Pat.
His Murphy and he's like oh freaky.
Quarterback, I have permission. Great has reached new heights
man. Jacob, I've been actually, this
is the perfect time. I literally had this question to
myself. I said to myself today I need to
talk someone from Big Brock Bowers Industrial Complex and
have them talk me off the ledge. With Brock still not practicing
with this foot injury, will you talk me off the ledge?
That sign would worry me if I could read, but I I see injury
updates that say things like Brock Bowers isn't practicing
and I go next page. This is a lawyer, yeah.
You've got to read the fine print, Jacob.
I have I have no interest in that type of information next
page. I also, I also don't have
interest in information that says Fred and Iuke will be
playing this year because we just we just added it to the
team too, but so. What I'm saying now he he's
supposed to be in the locker room or in the training room,
but not. They expected him to practice,
which was good, but then he didn't practice, so that was
bad. That's.
Bad that. Sounds really bad.
That combination is. Not doesn't sound.
Ideal at all? They expect him not to practice.
He doesn't practice. Maybe that's fine.
But good news. Is they wanted him to practice.
The bad news is he isn't doing it.
He didn't do it. Compete with two stacks, Rodgers
and Garrett Wilson, with Purdy and Kittle.
No accident? No.
I was sweating the quarterbacks there for a while but I'm
feeling fine now. Yeah, Aaron Rodgers.
So on my WGR Buffalo show today, I mean, I know why this does
make some sense. There are 50 quarterbacks who
have thrown for 300 yards in a game since he lasted, including
PJ Walker, Tyrod Taylor, Justin Fields.
I mean, several guys you wouldn't remember.
Well, you guys would have three or more.
I mean, OK, he missed a season and played another season hurt,
but it's been a while. Wow.
Sorry, Pete, was that that
seemed personal after you picked them, I didn't mean.
It Yeah, no, it's just. Is there anything else bad you
want to say about my picks? It doesn't seem not personal.
No. It didn't.
I'm in Buffalo, but I mean, The Jets have flown past the Bills
as the AFC East favorite for whatever reason.
However, the hype machine works, you know, Rodgers hasn't hurt
again yet or something. They have, you know, a top five
position unit kind of everywhere.
So it does make some sense, but it's been hard to swallow here.
I want Dicks. That wasn't very nice.
I wanted I wanted puka neighbors and digs.
It's been really fun being on this side of you so far.
You couldn't just ask. Yeah.
Next time I'm just going to say, pretty please, can I have this?
Player. Just put it out there who you
want. Maybe you guys know each other
so well that he would know who you want.
That's probably what's happening.
But you know, just show your cards.
You're in a heads up poker. I got a pair of nine.
Sniped unworthy. I would, I would have bet.
I thought Davis was one of. The four people on this stream
or Davis could save your money. I was going to take Mahomes too,
but part of what I was thinking about was if I did, Davis would
take Dave your worthy way too early.
That wouldn't come to me, but the Mahomes drafter gets worthy.
I think I know his next pick too.
I think I know his next pick too, but I don't want to.
I can't say it right. Producer Play.
Man, Scott, more of these off the board.
His is. I was wrong.
Can you guess mine? I think mine's obvious.
Is. There a tight end available.
No, I can't. I don't know yours.
Yeah, I I guess it would be the Gina to.
Watch Gina. I didn't.
Well, you. Just read you still follow me
about Will Levis all year. I thought maybe that was your.
Preferred You wanted Gina Pat. Yeah, like, I'm not going to
guess that. I was like, I figured you'd take
one quarterback and there's enough where I was like, I'll
get. Oh, you stacked it up to?
Yeah. Mike, I can't help but notice a
certain faller. Do you guys, does this leak have
punt return yards available? I don't know the FFPFFPC rule on
that. Whatever it is, is what we would
have. I think you don't.
You get the touchdowns. I'm just not.
Really counting on Kyron ripping off too many like 60 Yard House
calls on punts. So I I need the yards.
I think you get the touchdowns. What, what are your guys's
serious takes on this? Because I think it's like he got
asked about a punt return and he was like, yeah, we cut that guy.
We're going to have Chiron return on.
Like, I mean, is he really going to be the punt return on week
eight or is he just going to stand back there?
Even if he takes them, is he going to stand back there and
fair catch a couple? Yeah, they just that's that's
what he's going to do. Like that Cooper cop used to do
that all the time where he just, the job is like McVeigh just
values a good set of hands to go back there.
And yeah, some punts and I don't.
See that Dre Rodrig tweet, though?
I've been enjoying it because like I've been out on Chiron all
year. So I've I've been using this to
my my advantage, but I don't think it matters that much like
my expectation of the backfield's the same as it was.
I didn't see the Rodriguez rotation tweet.
What do we have there? So Emo Cowboy tweeted at her and
that yeah. Is that someone you know?
Yeah. Yeah.
For the audio listeners, he said.
I'm trying to read between the lines here and it sounds like
more of a split and car and filling in punt return while
quorum takes more away than just a drive every now and then and
she said that's my gut instinct. Yeah.
I don't think it changes anything.
I mean, that was that was already kind of what I thought.
But I mean, even her reply, she's like saying it's her gut I
mean. She's great.
She's pretty dialed in. Yeah, she's so I don't know.
To me, I'm like. I'm saying the way she framed it
is she's like, I'm not confident.
I'm saying it as this might might.
That's how I. But if he, if that's, if that's
possible, then he's like 6th round type of value.
I mean like he's very overdrafted if if that's on the
table. Is there really a good reason
why they would do that? I mean, well, I'll make the case
because I've been making this case all year and I'm not saying
that it's more likely to be right now than it was three days
ago. I don't think this moves it that
much, but I just think that all the Sean McVay uses one guy
stuff. To me, that's all case for He
uses one guy on one drive so they don't substitute and you
just have somebody you can play on all three downs to accomplish
that. I think Korum does that.
I think Kyron's undersized. I think that they made this pick
to me, and it's a read. It could be a wrong read, but my
read is they made this pick because they want to keep Kyron
upright so they've cloned them to play on every 3rd drive.
That that's my expectation is we see two drives Chiron one drive
quorum open and something maybe more 3:00 to 2:00 if quorum
plays really well over the course of the season.
But I I disagree with the round six part like I think Chiron's
been overpriced as a round 2-3 pick but like I don't know if
you gave. Even if I was right I would
still take him in like the 4th for sure if he starts falling on
this. I just failed to see why that, I
mean, all sure why the Rams would just like basically all
but replace him on any sort of significant level after what
happened last year. I mean, so many people were
against him as a prospect, but they went to the playoffs.
He he did everything for them. Would they really go into the
season after that and just like, are you going to play, you know,
half as much and return punts? I I feel like they would look at
last year as successful. I mean.
The same reason a ton of players like Buffet is really one of the
only coaches that's played running backs on like 90% of
snaps. Like, I think there's a lot of.
There's a lot of. Running backs and Kyron who
don't play 80 plus percent snaps, right?
Jamir Gibbs? Yeah, to play 80 plus percent of
snaps. There's room for him to come
back from the 90 and still have a really strong workload.
I, I, you can also read the quorum thing as a, a huge rubber
stamp on Kyron that they really liked him.
They changed their whole offense.
They changed their own running game to that shotgun run scheme
because of him. And then they drafted a backup
that was his clone because they like Kyron.
Like they, they didn't draft a replacement that does something
different. They drafted so they can
continue to use Kyron the way that they've used Kyron and use
another guy the same way that they've used Kyron.
And I'm with you. Show up like they like him, like
he's the incumbent, like he says all the little things.
They love him. They've talked about all the
reasons they love him. McVeigh, like Coach Big index
had some some comments after that that he didn't think he
thought people were reading into it wrong.
Then he also shared some stuff from early in the offseason.
He's like, there's so many quotes like this of McVeigh
talking about Kyron this favorably.
I mean, I don't. What I what I know is this.
Two years ago next week, we were all in Las Vegas.
I don't know if Jacob was there. I didn't know Jacob, but most of
us were in Las Vegas. In Los Angeles.
OK. It was the season opener, Bills,
Rams. I hosted the Bills Network pre
game show from my room at the Planet Hollywood and then went
to the party with the bare knuckle after the game.
And I had been drafting Tyron Williams and he got hurt on the
opening kickoff of the season in that game.
And my first reaction to the 2022 NFL season was great.
You know, like I, I haven't even gotten to a play from scrimmage
yet. And a guy, I mean, I wasn't all
in or anything, but, you know, he was kind of interesting on a,
the Rams had won the Super Bowl the year before.
Like, OK, nobody. It was Daryl Henderson's season
that year. Like, all right, well, who's
actually good? Akers ends up in that game
playing like 2 snaps and then he's sent home.
Anything can happen there, right?
So I thought Williams actually, well, this happens to all of us.
Sort of like the idea and then the opening kickoff, that's it.
Yeah, And I would still probably take over like Josh Jacobs.
So I guess like fifth round underdog is really more where
I'm where I'm saying. But I think one of the things
for covering his targets per out run last year including the
playoffs was 14%. He gets a lot of routes and he
gets used a lot just overall. But now, you know, to me it's a
sort of a fragile play where it's very volume dependent.
Like he's not an explosive runner.
He's not a very explosive pass catcher.
He's just like a solid, super solid chunk play runner and
great at the goal line. But he is undersized and he
dealt with injuries last year and the year before, as you're
mentioning. And they talked about the need
to lighten the workload. So I'm just, I'm nervous that
the workload does get lightened and exactly the way Jacob was
saying where they're rotating drives because Quorum is also
that kind of back where you can just leave them out there all
the time is. This what?
Who's it? Who's in the sex hole?
I was going to take Kev Hawker. Oh, that's Hubbard you got.
He's got Bruce Gibbs ET Ed and Walker and didn't even give up.
Like still took a different second, third and fourth round
pick. Like still still has an elite
tight end. So is Jane.
Daniel still has Debo, but he gets Gibson the 5th.
He just got Ken Walker in the eighth round.
I was going to finally take a running back.
If it makes you feel better is QB three is going to be Sam
Howell. It's not going to be fields who
went with the next pick. I was going to take fields on
this. Yeah I I wait till the 8th round
to draft my first running back. I was still second of the people
on the stream to select A running back.
I was also going to go with. Wow.
JSN there Davis. This is incredible.
I have to let Ben pick before I say it.
Yeah. Davis had no interest in giving
you your double stack. I know I wanted him and then I
wanted Fields on the way back. It was going to be so fun.
Or Kenneth Walker. That little run there wasn't
very cool. I got to take one of the Bears
receivers. If that's what's incredible,
that he's going to end up with DJ Mori and both the Dunes and
Keenan. It's just a question of whether
I actually take a Dunes I over Keenan.
I mean, you can't just let Fat Keenan stay out there forever,
guys. What about that hat behind you?
What happened to that? Doesn't that mean anything?
It does. It does.
I I mean I'm not in shape for bare knuckle because I thought
Scott would take a doons A at 7 one that was my guess was he was
going to do that at 7/1. He gets them at 8:12.
Wow, yeah. I botched that, too.
I dropped the, I dropped the ball there.
Oh, and he takes friend Thomas. All right.
Yeah, that is kind of fun at the at the there.
Goes all the interesting receivers.
It's the Deep End Invitational on ship chasing August 28th.
Thanks to everybody, Pete, Pat, Ben, Jacob for being a part of
it, Davis Matic too, who's not with us.
But it's a fun tournament. We're on the deep end.
FF1 stream tomorrow night again for League 4.
Adam Pratwurst who designed this tournament.
My Co host there will be in tomorrow's game with some other
big names. You guys will be doing your
thing on this show, so I shouldn't promote against you.
You can let the market decide. Scott, just kidding.
Ben, what's the QB 3 plan over in your neck of the woods?
I gave up after fields. What am I going to say?
Garner Minshew like. I've heard good things about
Russell Wilson Week 1. 31 Q PS that have gone I had minshew or
Russ were my options and I said fuck it I'm going to I got 2
great tight ends let's just roll it.
That's Davis sounds. Like he died from not getting.
Worse, Davis isn't with us. It's not the same as Davis is no
longer with us. There's an important distinction
there. I have had so much fun all
summer listening to you guys and watching as much as I can
consume. I can't I believe how much you
guys do. I mean, you make fun of the two
hour ADP chasing marathons and 2 1/2 hours and all the different.
I mean, every day there's so much I have I.
Don't get a lot done on Mondays, Mike.
Monday. No, that's.
That's Monday. Is ADP chasing day?
Basically. Yeah, right.
I mean, and I can't wait for it. I'll I'm on the air in Buffalo
three to seven. But the next morning is when I
listen to that show and like I admit 150 underdog drafts and I
feel like a a joke compared to the guys I watch and listen to.
Like what's 150? I mean I'm Charlie Bucket in
Willy Wonka where the kids are all shouting out how many Wonka
bars they bought 200 and he bought 2 Wonka bars.
Like, I don't know, I'm doing my best well.
He won though, didn't he? He won.
That's right, he. And it wasn't even one of the
two bars. It was the what he found in the
street. Or a third one, anyway.
Trivia. Someone commented on my video
because I posted a draft I did with Sacrilegious on the Deposit
Kingdom channel and he was talking about how he had done
over 2000 drafts which I of course put in the title and
someone commented he's far too skinny for having done 2000
drafts. I mean, you you guys were
talking Pat with Davis about doing his number was 91 auto
slow puppies and just so you can part your rankings and just set
it on auto. Then he forgot to change it back
with the, you know, the Geno Smith.
Right. Lyons Fullback.
Gates. Can can I get back in your Homer
good graces with this selection here, despite my AFC East
blasphemy at the start? Oh.
Thank God. I know you want you want lad for
your stack. I saw that.
Not just for my stack, but I was gonna because I listened to you
guys two weeks ago and I really enjoyed the Herbert lad
discussion. And I was like, if after all the
slander that Pete put on these Chargers, if he steals my lad
Mcconkey stack, I'm gonna be so pissed off.
You. Oh no, you, that's my shot.
Feels like. Yeah, I am officially.
That reference I know. That reference I know.
Still there, bud? Oh God, why are we going to
fucking take Alvin Kamara? What the fuck is this?
Oh my God this is disgusting. That's kind of, I don't know if
Louie meant to do that, but I know Louie and he probably did.
Oh. Man, I think, I think he did.
I think he's giggling right now, yeah.
His own His own podcast. Making it any better?
His own podcast is doing a post game show on this one later, so
you have that to follow up. I usually watch you guys when
mine's over. I don't know if I'll do that
tonight. Oh God, that.
That's been doing good. Stack double Minnesota.
Ready to learn, Brendan Rice, buddy?
Jacob, Dave, if you can sneak this team into the finals, it'll
really make some noise this year.
There we go. Well, we do have the Sam's
Arnold, Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison double stack for anyone
keeping track. At all.
I'll be adding Nick Mullins in the. 20s I thought about
Mcconkey for my week 17 bring back on May but I just decided
to do a normal stack with Hertz. It's a total points league,
correct? It's total.
Do I got to the format? OK, Yeah.
Yeah, but then that shootout could help.
It could help at the end, yeah. You never know.
It's Year 5. Pete won the first year, Chad
Schroeder won the 2nd. Then it was John Scoderi who
beat me by a a nose. I finished second to him.
Chic Okonkwo almost got me there from the last round in 2022.
Then last year Go Bills ran away with it.
Imagine that. Yeah.
My my secret sauce in year one was it was either last round or
second to last round. Mike Davis pick the year he was
just a sleeper smash and that like carried MY0RB room and and
made it all work. You know, one thing I wanted to
ask you guys, and I don't know if this is even possible.
There still is a week to go. Is there?
Can you think of a player? You have literally 0 shares of
that. Maybe you're you're thinking
will still come to life and you know, maybe you're going to act
on it in the next few days or it scares you.
Yeah. Kyron Williams.
Well, I was thinking someone more obscure but OK please.
Give me some round 4. Kyron, how about somebody?
What I mean is somebody that Nope, nobody has a share of, or
almost nobody I see. Oh, James.
Robinson, this person is looking like that because now, I mean,
the last couple of days has given us a lot of new
information. Yeah, how about like an Emmanuel
Wilson Maje type you? Know.
Yeah. All right, right.
What is OK? I know don't want to.
Click right, I just wrote a. Rashad White, but OK.
There it is Rashad White. I just wrote a team by team
breakdown of all the 53 man cut downs and claims and everything
and there was probably like 12 guys in there that answer your
question. Show me they're like, I mean
just like the. Article Yeah.
What the hell? The first name that came to mind
was Ryan Flournoy, who I think they only kept like 5 receivers.
That's a good one. Yeah, but they he made the team.
He was somebody. He was somebody in Buffalo.
We are so obsessed with receivers.
And just like the incredible reality that the Bills receiver
room has gone from what it was to like now it seems like a bit.
And so before the draft, this is the year, of course, like, let's
draft 2. We've got everybody sort of
getting together. Like let's draft 2.
We're talking about Brendan Rice.
We're talking about Flournoy. We were hot for Troy Franklin.
I mean, all those Jayvon Baker, all those guys got, you know, we
spent days on it. And Coleman, somebody dropped
something. Just messing around with the
yeah. You drop the guitar pick you're
just getting. Ready to stay, Clothespin?
It's a special pick for the Jaccard guitars that.
Requires a clothespin. Why would you be holding a
clothespin? Because it's here and I have ADD
so I'm just, you know, you missed a lot is.
It your version of like. Because it was near me.
Is that your version of clicking a pen like I do just?
Yeah, yeah, I do have a pic though.
I can I can go to go to the pic, fiddle with the pic.
What I was trying to say about that article is it just
published, so no one should have read it yet.
But if anyone's interested in in that kind of a play or those
kinds of thoughts, it's a, it's a long article, Go check it out.
I was trying to tease it. It's a great tease.
Mine is I I started drafting Cedric Tillman.
Really. Oh.
I added him on a team last night for.
The That's an interesting one. Think.
I mean, it's it's I've had a hard time this summer getting it
right with the Browns. And when you start with the
Dolphins, you can get, if you're on the end, it can be sort of
difficult. Somebody gets there early on
Watson and you know, the running backs are not exciting.
I end up a couple in a couple drafts at the end of draft
wanting to have a Browns piece and even Elijah Moore is
basically totally undrafted that that's this summer.
That's interesting too. But I feel like there's a little
bit of hope, maybe more hope. I just got shot.
Jamison. I fucking knew you were going to
do it again, but I just really wanted you to not fucking do it
again. Russell Wilson starting to look
pretty good here. Though God damn it, he is, isn't
he? Oh, boy.
Hey, total points, Ben. You get those first seven starts
from the Ross. They're no different than the
last 10. Wix was my backup plan I'd love
to give. Him seven of the 10.
I guess. I'm picking fucking Jerry.
Well, I thought that was like a hard maximum, but I don't know.
There are four teams with only two quarterbacks with the draft
half over and 32 have gone. So, Michael Pennix, it's your
night. It's a very on brand for this
draft that Russell Wilson was announced at the starting
quarterback today that it's not a playoffs.
Like it doesn't matter when the starts are, they're just however
many you get and we've drafted Justin Fields in the eighth.
No interest in Russell. Wilson, Samuel.
With Alan then. Yeah, I decided I probably
should have taken Keon, who I let go back to Pete, but had to
at least get Samuel. Yeah.
He'll be interesting here you're talking about, you know, a more
of a gadget type role like he always seems seems to get put
put on. Had a turf toe injury in the
second pre season week before that game.
But you know, it's so far away from week one.
They can say week to week and it still might mean he plays week
1. So I I'm not too worried about
him for opening day. Yeah, got to get water Sievert
up in this format. Jake, are you still?
Out on Jameson. You have it?
Yeah, you have. It I.
Very, very comfortably out on Jameson Williams.
Even at this price, are you? Would you entertain this price
or not? I I was very strongly debating
Wicks over Javonte Williams. Wasn't wasn't considering
Jameson Williams, but I, I mean, I get the appeal like I totally
at this price. I understand it just, I don't
know, tough. Tough for me to be.
Super. Yeah.
I mean the the next receivers on the board were were Curtis
Samuel and Joshua Palmer. Like I mean at that point.
Why do she was good? Palmer's starting to look pretty
good for. James I mean, I can tell.
He's now he's gone, dude. Oh, he is in the. 11th he went.
I'm waiting on Brendan Rice and Hayden Hurst.
Somebody could pitch later on, Ross.
I'm going to. The The Chargers traded for
Taylor Heineke today. I believe this.
Is actually crazy I saw that how bad that wide receiver situation
is here like I think I just got to start loading up on the R BS.
I was like debating taking Jalen Pulk but I was like I don't know
if I can just take Jalen Pulk over to DeAndre Swift.
The two block spot seems bad, but.
I have not been worried about his summer pull.
You do start 3 receivers and two flexes so it's true.
Good luck. It's probably going to miss
multiple games in season just. I mean, that's correct.
Pat, for all the Patriots, the time you spend on the Patriots,
I mean good and bad, I guess with the preseason May came on.
Where do you end up? Erect.
What do you mean? Well, I mean, Polk was playing
with the twos a lot. Yeah, right.
So some people. No, I think it's a bad.
Sign but I didn't. I don't take that as a bad sign
in the sense he did get plenty of work with the ones and is in
position to kind of become a key part of the offense pretty
quickly into his rookie season. So, you know, some guys I'm
definitely nervous about after after like really quiet summers.
But Polk didn't have a really quiet summer.
He just like didn't establish himself as a clear cut starter
in training camp as a rookie, which is fine.
That would be great if he did. But you know, he's he's behind
KJ Osborne. Taekwon Thornton was getting
reps with the one like this. This dude's gonna be out there a
lot. I mean if.
He's good if he's good ones. Didn't he get a ton of reps with
the ones in the last pre season game?
Yeah, that's the other. Yeah.
It's just that he's not a clear cut starter.
It's not that he's not getting work with the ones with all
these rookies. The bet is that they're better
than people realize. And if he is better than we
realize, then he's got a super clear runway plus upside of
maze. Good.
Hey Mike, we got some more Johnny Come latelys here
wondering about what scoring settings are causing the chaos
they're seeing on this board. So can you give a a rundown
again here for people? Of course, Rotoviz, FFPC,
Rotoviz, Triflex, this is their dynasty format.
When we brought the tournament, the Deep End Invitational over
to FFPC, this matched as close as there was to, you know, what
we wanted. Adam Pratwurst invented it where
you have tight end, premium Superflex, but then three
receivers and Triflex. So up to five or even 6 wide
receivers theoretically. So you really do.
I mean, you guys might disagree, but the way we talk about it is
you put drafters into, you know, the Crucible right away with
what position they want to go with, you know, because there's
an argument for everything in this format.
So you see, this will be 4 drafts, the 4th being tomorrow
night. You see all kinds of different
approaches to it. This one naturally was heavy
wide receiver. We had running back five go at
pick 54, you know, OK, So what when I drafted last week, I'm
just trying to figure out what everybody else is doing and do
something else and that, you know, might have gone OK, but
that's that explains it, I hope. Yeah, it's pretty funny.
We've been doing all summer, we've been doing the basketball
content of Oh my God, look at how crazy late these running
backs are going compared to these wide receivers.
And then we we beat that by about 3 rounds with.
The. Current running.
Backs. Watch Super Pricing in this
draft. Yeah.
And and it's the it's the double
whammy, right? It's the Super flex element, the
tight end premium and then being able to start three wide
receivers or, you know, the one extra.
Yeah. So I mean it just massively
devalues running backs in this. Format.
Maybe next year we throw in a .1 per carry or first down points
or something like that to make it even more, you know even.
Please don't. No, this is not.
You can. You can start 4 running backs
every week. Fine, you can.
You can start 5. I I was trying to add Blake
quorum to the queue and I was like what is wrong with this
with this app Bened already drafted?
I was, I, I was torn because I, I had Conklin in my queue
thinking get that stack with Rogers and I was like, is this
running backroom going to push him?
And that did not happen. Quorum did go after you, Pat.
No, I know I after I took white I tried to put quorum in the
queue for my next pick. Oh, I see for the next pick.
Yeah. Is is team one not killing it?
Scott has, I don't know if he has the best team, but
unequivocally the most aesthetically pleasing.
Aesthetic. It's.
Very aesthetically, that's. Incredible.
That's a nice pick there, Ben. Yeah, very nice pick.
Going for that wide receiver depth, Josh Downs, when is he
back? Jacob, that's your team.
Yep, not practicing today. So I would say I don't know.
I would say it's like 20 to 30% chance he plays week one is
probably my read on it. I would say probably about 50%.
He's week two and probably the latest comes back to Week 3.
There was a lot of back and forth on whether how Richardson
did this summer was a bad sign or not.
I'm I'm fine. I don't know how you feel as a
fan. Yeah, I mean, it's, it's hard
because I think sometimes I, I try to give Richardson analysis
and then some people think I'm just like taping.
So I try to that's. What I accuse you, When you came
on my show, I was like, God, this guy's just a fucking Colts
fan. Absolutely.
I think it's been so the first preseason game he played, he
barely played, but it was, it was quite bad.
The most recent one against the Bengals, I think a lot of people
have made a lot of noise about the interception that I don't
think was his fault. Like I think it was pretty
clearly Colin Granson kind of signals to the inside on an
option route, which is where you're supposed to then be on
the inside. And then he like swerves them.
Richardson throws it right to where he should have been.
If fumble was bad, the overthrow was going to happen.
But like some of the stuff was really fun, man.
I mean, he throws a jump pass on the touchdown pass, has some
great seams to Pierce to Granson.
Ben had a lot of great notes on all of the RPO play action
stuff. They were running to make life
really, really easy on him. It's Saiken is fantastic like
that. I would stand by 100%.
I think that they have one of the five best offensive play
callers in the league. I think he's going to continue
to put him in positions to succeed.
And the most exciting part for me is like, I think Mitchell's
showed a lot of twitch so far early in camp.
He's been earning a lot of targets when he's been on the
field. I think that if he can come
along and then when they get downs back, then potentially
have three really strong weapons.
So I've cooled a little bit from my early rank of Richardson, but
mostly has benched Amy into it. But still school.
Of everyone else, I mean, I'm getting Richardson, I've got
some BBMS I'm finishing up and he's dropping to me in the mid
to late 6th like regularly. Yeah, I'm smashing him there.
I mean, I I think that's he's so easily stackable with Mitchell
and downs later. The honestly, the only reason I
don't like it is because he has a week 14 by and it makes it
harder for me to draft May. That's true.
I, I but if he once he falls to the 7th though, then he can
really justify the three quarterback build with him in
May. And that's that's how you get
there. Trust me, I've done it.
I know you're picking here but I want to know if you think just
is is Gransom live? I think the best answer to Coles
tight end is usually a hard pass on Coles tight end, yeah.
I can't believe your boy MO Ali's going to actually make the
make the roster. Get paid a shit ton of money
dude. Colts.
The Colts like weird freaking obsession with this MO Ali Cox
guy. Is like.
So debilitating because they're just so committed to having MO
Ali Cox be a part of their team, but he's such a useless player.
Like all they can do then is just have them play 30% of the
snaps doing nothing. And they the crazy thing about
the Colts, people think that they run a lot of 12 personnel
because they have 80 million tight ends.
They don't. They had the third highest 11
personnel rate on drop backs last year in the NFL.
They just rotate 4 tight ends equally to play the same
position. 11 personnel. They don't actually play two of
them at once. It's just a revolving door of
useless tight. Ends and then early this Aussies
and you're telling me that how Mowali Cox had like 6 or 8
million or whatever non guaranteed it?
Seems like a million today. By moving on and they've
decided. Nope, don't need to.
They're going to guarantee. It they could have signed
Jonathan Simmons for the same amount of money as it would have
cost them to cut MO Ali Cox and this team has like no viable
starting safety and they could have had like one of the 10 best
safeties in the league and instead they need a 27% snap
share of MO Ali fucking. Cox It's ridiculous.
You know Pete, a host is only as good as his guests, right?
I mean, let's be real here. You just, you tee up Tyler
Branson. Look what you get sometimes.
Yeah, that's that's beautiful. There we go.
Go to Over the Gap and you look at that team salary, like we did
this with Jacob one time, like after his show and like Molly
Cox is making like the fifth most money on their team.
It's not it's like it's like 10s, but like it's not a small
amount of money. Like they're paying Molly Cox a
shit ton of money and it wasn't guaranteed.
They could have caught up at any point.
Per Southeast. That's so good.
Pat I have another name for a 0 shares.
Oh possible you know, non zero player a banacanda.
I mean, if they have 6 injuries in that backfield, I, I think I
do think he's alive. He did make it out of the loop.
Did he make the? Ross.
He made the Ross. He did.
He did, yeah. Oh, I didn't even check.
I thought that was like a total fate of complete that they
wanted another to do with them. That's interesting.
I mean, these are both guys, Tillman and Banacanda that some
of us liked and they just sort of drew bad, you know, in the
draft and I don't know certain other circumstances, but they
are just in their second year. So I don't feel like they should
be completely ignored. I took a ton of Abana Cannon in
the big board before the the draft and yeah, I was like, he's
locked in #2 this is great. But it looked me in.
I wonder what happened to where he made the roster, because it
looked like a foregone conclusion that he was done.
Like like in July, it looked like he was.
Going to get cut so. I'm not sure what happened.
I was hoping there was enough Dalvin Cook fear in the market
that Dalton would get back to me, but Pete sniped him.
All right, brother, it was funny.
I I posted that video with sacrilegious and his player
target at the top was Rico Dowdle and like half the
comments are like, oh, this age poorly man Dalvin Cook signed.
I was like, there are a lot of Dalvin Cook fans out there.
Pat, who's your most? Rapt in running back.
Gonna be next year because then I can tell everybody where
Dalvin Cook is gonna sign. It's an annual tradition.
It is an annual tradition. It's a tradition that I love, by
the way. This.
Yeah, it's so he didn't. He didn't long enough carries to
hang on. I'll figure this.
Out. I'll figure this out.
I'll throw in while Pat is thinking here, that one thing I
love about Breece Hall's season last year.
I mean, the whole discourse is about how, you know, last year's
discourse. Anyway, into the season, he'll
show how good he is once he's fully healthy.
He had literally the longest run of the NFL season in Week 1.
Right? I I should know by now not to
talk when Ben is about to get sniped, but in in the Monday
night opener against Buffalo he had an 83 yard run and didn't
score. That was the longest run the
whole season in the league. Breece Hall.
Some might say Pat is stealing signals right now.
You. Fucking asshole.
This. I knew this was going to suck.
With Pat on the inside of me, I did not realize it was going to
suck even worse. Pause.
Oh, this is the fucking this this suck.
Yeah, that sucks hard. Just complete the analogy.
I really wanted Jaleel McLaughlin there.
That would have been an exciting pick.
Gus Edwards still there. Gretchy actually makes sense on
this build. You could have some nice weak 1
running back. Weak one.
When in doubt, just take Bucky Irving.
Bucky wow I'm shocked didn't see that one.
Coming. I honestly didn't have a backup
plan. So Bucky Irving.
Can I tell you who I thought you were going to take Gretch?
Who I thought you would take Zach Charbonnay on your Geno
team. You know, that's not a bad call
and I do have him in my queue, but I've moved him down my ranks
a little bit. We'll talk about that in a SEC
because maybe I should take him. He is stacked up.
I'm going to take him if he if Scott doesn't take him.
You know Scott's going green, or he could start a new positional
run. I have another player I like for
him, but I'm just sort of enjoying his team.
Mahomes at what? I was stoked to get Julia
McLaughlin there. I almost took him at Downs and I
was like, dude, he's way low in this in a DPI, can maybe get him
next round. Literally the whole way down to
back, I'm like, Jaleel's still there, Jaleel's still there,
Jaleel's still there. And he was fucking pad choice I
was debating. Running the clock down and I'm
like, he's going there's, there's, he's not going to, but
he's going to. He's definitely, but he's not
going to. And then he fucking took it.
He no Pat Pat was nice to let me get through about 83% of my
briefs Hall. I was trying to let show to his
priests hall store. I didn't want to.
I mean, there's there's Breeze hall hype happening.
I didn't want to ruin him. So Chupa was another dude I was
thinking about taking here. Good pick.
Man, you're really down on sharps.
Yeah, I'm just going to take him.
But I'm I'm, I'm pretty concerned about him, honestly.
I don't I don't know the case on.
Sharps in this format. We talked about it early on in
the summer was like you get this new coaching staff and the
potential that they're actually going to use sharps a decent
amount. He's got size, he's got a three
down profile, but as a prospect there's nothing really special.
So it's kind of like, you know, he's got that but not
necessarily going to add anything.
And so the two things were like, OK, he could have some pretty
good stand alone value. And also he's got the clear #2
and Kenny McIntosh is an answer to one of those show questions.
He had a hell of good pre season.
He had a 54 yard touchdown run in the third pre season game in
his only carry. He was good all pre season.
To the extent that if Walker goes down, I think he could mix
in with Sharps a little bit because I don't know that Sharps
is actually a special talent. And then on the other side,
they've just been talking non-stop about Ken Walker.
They want to use him every single down.
I think he's a superstar and I'm really buying the Walker
Kool-aid. So I mean, I, I, so then what
does he have traits that I want to bet on?
Because like, if I don't feel like he, he's going to have the
stand alone potential and I don't think he's got the clear
RB2. It's like both sides of the bet
got a little bit knocked in August, a little bit a little
bit skittish on him. I love the Kenny McIntosh call.
That's like exactly the type of player who could emerge from
nowhere. Like he he's this weird prospect
who, you know, is like a committee back at Georgia, but
he had a career elusive rating of 108.
So he broke tackles when he was out there, 2.11 yards per route
run on athletic runs. A has a 4.01 rasp, but he's 210
lbs. So if you can get out there and
catch passes and then, you know, it's kind of it's kind of
Chirony in a way. Or, you know, if you're big
enough to where like if you show surprising football athleticism
based on the time to athleticism, then yeah, maybe
you can displace Charbonnet. He was like, not particularly
explosive in his rookie season. Yeah, I just, I was like hopeful
that if you know, if anything happened to Walker, Sharps would
be like this to read Outback because he's not like an
explosive play guy either, right Pat?
Like Sharps profile is not an efficiency profile.
Have you compared him to Paul Perkins?
I. Think there are a lot of people
in Paul? Here, but a lot of people in
Paul Perkins, he let me see. Put that in the bio.
Like, yeah, he's kind of a Paul Perkins type.
I'm like, alright, I've never drafted him again.
It's like, but you don't even mean it like that.
Everyone. Every bad running back that I
hear Pat give a comp on is either Paul Perkins or DeAndre
Washington. I I give a lot of DeAndre
Washington because DeAndre Washington to me is such like a
type of like undersized. You think he's going to be like
a pass catcher, but he's kind of not.
You know, it's like it's like a tweener.
It's a tweener position at running back.
Let's see, his comps for me were actually JK Dobbins.
This is sharpening JK Dobbins Cam Akers tank Bigsby with the
guys over the last few years. Man, you guys in these running
backs, so many of them I don't remember at all.
I think I could listen to 20 minutes on a loop of just Pat
and Davis naming running backs just like with no context at
all. And you know, maybe one in 10 I
could tell you anything about. Michael Bush, we got to the
other day. That was fun.
Oh, that was a good one. I want to just shout out, So I
in the in the draft applet, no one can see this, but there's,
you know, the chat function on FPC and there's Davis talking to
himself at 8:00. 19. He says laugh, Laugh my ass off,
motherfucker. I saw Karine took May and I
thought a QB Rod started. And then look back after Davis
takes six. There's not a quarterback for a
whole other round. Oh my God.
Now, because there's a little bit of a moment of silence, I'll
just name every pick to service the audio listeners.
We'll just go one through 187 so everybody can you.
You rattled them off so fast, but you get them in.
You know, sometimes the audio, I think that was kind of what
birth, the service, the audio listeners, you know, it's like
someone was like, can you save some of the pics?
And I was like, all right, you're going to smoke the whole
damn pack of cigarettes. In radio, it's always when you
have run out of you have silence, you run out of a
thought, you just sort of name everybody else who's coming up
on the show, who's been on the morning show, who's going to be
on tomorrow's show. You know what, what else is
going to? Is there a contest coming up
just sort of to get you to the finish line?
I don't think any of us have. Related to that right now Pat
for you to take so they're trying to figure out who I.
Would who would then want most? I think I got it's kind of a
jumble for me right now. This has Antonio Gibson written
all over it. Get you jinxed it Grace.
Obviously that was the one, though, of the jumble that was
on top of the queue. I mean, obviously that was the
first pick. And then on the way back I was
going to be like, all right, which of Chub or Gibson comes
back? I'm like, I got to get Videla,
the build that is literally fucking drafting my team by
grade. I mean it fucking blows.
Oh my God. What is better in fantasy
content than Ben on tilt? Nothing.
That's just. The best Oh.
My God, Jacob, how's your your draft going?
They're over. There, they're just starting.
The first round is going to be pretty easy.
I'm going to do, I'm going to stay on till we get this turn
done and then then I'm going to go and fight with Ron and Liam
here for round two. There you go.
We're almost done in one hour. Yeah, we're, we're it's fine.
What is this? The fastest round, like round
12, this is This has been great. You have professionals on a free
roll. I mean, why waste time?
Oh. Yeah, yeah.
Quote professionals, I mean. Experts, have you guys been
streaming all of the drafts, Mike?
Yep, the last two Thursdays and then the 4th one.
The final one is tomorrow at Deep End FF1.
Nice. I got the one O 8 last week and
Go Bills had the one O 8 the previous week and I was really
excited about theirs and they told me they were excited about
mine. So maybe that'll be the magic
number, which doesn't help you guys, but.
All right, all right. I think I'm going to.
I think I'm going to jump. We just selected Justin
Jefferson over at the 18, but this is a blast.
Thanks for having me on and thanks, Jacob.
Yeah. Absolutely.
Thanks Jacob guys. Peace.
Later. Didn't get to talk Leafs with
Jacob Sanderson tonight. Didn't get to talk.
Leafs was ready. Opportunity Sniper.
He Jacob, basically he thanks George.
I was. I had dorch in my queue.
That's good. That's good.
I'm, I'm buying that he's actually good.
Yeah, I, I love the, the, the name stuff like the the lame,
not lame like the, the simpler the name, if that's fair, the
more I feel like the guy's probably underrated.
You guys have talked about this too.
Not a cool name, yeah. We we had we had a hockey player
in Buffalo. I'll keep this short, Rasmus
Wrist aligning. It's about as good as a name
gets big. You know the good face.
It's a money football thing. They talk about the good face,
the good name, but you know, is it actually a good player?
Are we really being honest with ourselves about the player?
So you guys have said it. Greg Dorch doesn't sound like
somebody who should be amazing at football, but that makes me
want to bet on them. Someone pointed out on Twitter
that Tank Bigsby is such a sick running back name, but I he was
so bad last year that I had forgotten how cool Yeah, running
back name that is. Like it's not.
It's no longer a cool name. If it weren't for Dell, it would
be a curse. But Tank Dell is kind of
carrying that name on his tiny little shoulders.
He. Is.
Yeah, that is true. But Bigsby Bigsby is also a
sweet running back. Last name.
Yeah, it is he. Kind of sounds like a a
Speakeasy poet Bigsby and then Tank is like.
So it is like a very juxtaposed name, the vibes of it.
Speak easy, poet. If he was like, really good at
football, that would be like, that'd be really cool.
Yeah, like, oh man, takes me again.
He's getting another shot. They're sticking with him.
Yes. And I think, you know, everybody
agreed, everybody agreed how bad he was.
But the the narrative was always about like four or five plays
where the ball bounced off his hands for a pick six and just
sort of like a couple of mental lapses that doesn't have to
define him. Also DRS Johnson was NFL next
Gen. released the data for like the the guys with less than 100
attempts and DRS Johnson was horrible actually in in their
stuff. So I wondered like just because
Bixby was so bad, I was like he was worse than D earnest.
It turns out he wasn't actually so well.
Did you see who they signed today?
No. Carson Steele.
They picked up Carson Steele. No, no, no, no, no, no.
Not Steele. Steele made the team.
You're talking about Luis Reese Zammit.
Sorry. Sorry the oh oh mixing up my
gadget cut. No, no, no, no.
Sorry. Luis Reese Zami.
Thank you, Gretch. Yeah.
Jacksonville did. He's scared, all the Steele
guys. Jacksonville, the rugby player.
The rugby, he's a kick returner I think.
Where is P Ryan in this draft? Oh, OK.
I was gonna, I was going to. I still got.
It I still got. It I was hoping to circle him
back after Tracy I, I almost took Chubb as well, but I put P
Ryan ahead of Tracy in my ranks and then I was like, hey, maybe
I can get him to slide through and then Jacob just.
Is he Jerick McKinnon? I.
Think it could be Jerick McKinnon plus.
Yeah, why not on a fucking take. Yeah, yeah, I think he could be
in the stuff like basketball mania.
I mean, I'm being pretty aggressive.
Mike it is crazy. I remember that like the first
year of this draft, like just thinking about the ADPI remember
like when I selected Mike Davis, it felt like the most Hail Mary
dumbass. But like the the barrel was
empty. Whereas like in this draft, the
running backs available here, Antonio Gibson, Videl, Allen
Mason in the 16th round, like they're really good running
backs available late, which just shows the shift of ADP over the
years and the and the running backs really moving down.
The format. Is a late route.
Oh, go ahead. No, I was going to say the
format is almost identical, but I'm trying to remember what the
specific difference was. But you know, yes, how the
landscape changes and you know, that's that's correct.
You have this was a really interesting night with every I
mean, 5 running backs in the 1st 54 picks is like almost a first
in fantasy football history. Maybe we're getting to that
point where though you, you might, we might still have some
fun names here between, you know, the middle of the 18th
round and the end of 20. Aidan O'Connell goes to Jacob
Tavion Sanders tight ends. Just a couple of interesting,
interesting tight ends I think that I haven't seen.
But yeah, it it should get fun here.
I, I was going to say I I've been in, I tweeted this, but
I've been in a bunch of slows that are in the late rounds
right now. Pat, you said you've been
getting aggressive on Pure on it.
I think I've drafted him probably 20 times today.
Wow. So wow.
Where? Where are you targeting him?
Well, it's like all 16th through 18th.
I mean, maybe it's only 15 times that I've done it, but I'm in
those ranges in all my drafts and he's just sitting there and
I'm like, all right, well, I'll just and all my builds always
need a running back back there because I'm like, you know,
pretty receiver heavy early. He's like, all right, well, I'm
going to take a running back. I think the earliest I took up
in the 15th once. But it's just like 16th or
later. That's that's a no brainer,
Yeah. I've liked him a lot in the last
couple of weeks, ever since it was sort of a given that he
would be cut. I mean, I know this has been
Davis''s thing the whole summer is P Ryan gets cut, but when you
had Christ I. Was I thought I was already up?
I thought you took Mullins and then object S debate was in my
fucking queue at the top and he disappeared and I was like,
where did he go? Like if you go back and watch
that. I snapped my head around and
then he popped up over fucking here on Pasty.
I just noticed Davis took Tayson Hill too.
I had. This is my Rico Dowdell.
Fuck off, we got him. I've never seen Gretchman.
It's just a full tilt pick. And you're Larry.
That pisses me off because I'm the one who took Rico in this
one. I pissed you both off.
Dalvin's the answer. Holy shit, I can't believe you
fucking took Estimate too. I didn't get a single Bronco.
Oh, you got. You got me finally.
You already got me. Give me estimate.
Holy shit. Anyway, I thought P Ryan was
going to Dallas or Baltimore if he got caught.
Not even Cincinnati. Even that would have been.
Of course that would have been good.
So take him then. Yeah, I honestly, this is where
I'm at in my life. As someone who has heavy Chase
Brown bags, I would have taken P Ryan to the Bengals just to
watch Davis's like month long tilt Like that would have been a
worthwhile. Trade off?
In a way, isn't this the worst situation of all?
Because now he has to consider whether or not to draft P Ryan
heavily. He was.
Terrified of him? Now he might be a target.
I'm I'm honest to. God, after this, Pat, I'm going
to go back. Somebody said I'm just doing a
bit. I'm going to go back and watch
that estimate pick after because I, I, I promise you, when I
start back and forth, there was nothing but panic in my face.
I want I want to go see the panic in my face.
Oh my God. You didn't get me back with
Shipley there. I was hoping for him.
I honest to God, I thought you had picked and I thought I was
up and I was like what? What Like how did Pat smite me?
He already picked. Gainwell is a 0 shares guy this
summer by the way. It seems.
Never, never seen Gainwell. That's a good one.
He's still alive. Nick Mullins is a good pick
there. You know who another guy is.
Donald's going to get benched and Nick Bolens is going to play
a lot this. Year When Gima Gino's your QV
two at a Superflex format, Nick Mullen starts to look pretty
good for the other side of the draft board.
No, Gino's going going. He's going to have a Goodyear.
And it's gross, but Trey Sermon, Yeah, Evan Hall, they moved on
from Evan Hall. So yeah, Sermon, it looked like
he was dead, but maybe, maybe he rises.
Yeah, another guy that who's just not proven so much that he
can't do it. I mean, there have been, it was
bad when he did, when he did play, but we don't really know
that much about the guys we are. I have a grocer pick that I
unironically he's like one of the grossest names and I
unironically think is a good pick here.
If he gets back to me, I'm going to be a little bit bummed if he
doesn't get back to me. Shouldn't you just say it at
this point? No OK, God, no.
Pat will take him. I'll probably take.
Him anyway. Estimate was brutal there, my
God. Got to get that Broncos double
up. Ty Johnson never gets drafted.
That's a good one. That's a really good one.
He might be the bills #2. He was actually after he said
that, I was scrolling through my article trying to come up with
some names because I so weirdly like didn't give you any names
at that moment. And he's one that I came across
and was like, that's a good one for that question for.
Sure they did. I mean, they drafted Ray Davis
and that was it. They, they didn't do the thing
they do with Latavius Murray, Damian Harris last year.
They needed somebody as compliment.
Johnson did. All right.
Late in the season, maybe. I mean, running backs are just
so random. Maybe.
Well, it's the 20th round, fellas.
It's been an honor. Do I sound like I'm on the
Titanic playing, playing the violin or?
Something. I feel like I'm on the Titanic
trying to figure out what to do with this last pick.
I'm pretty sure I know Ben's pick.
That's how I'm going to try to avoid taking it.
Here's what I'm doing. We're going to try to nail
pretty sure whoever the Giants wide receiver two is by taking
all three Giants wide receivers that aren't.
Pulling neighbors. I thought it was unfortunate
they didn't keep Isaiah Hodgins with How Light they are.
But, you know, Hyatt and Wandale are kind of recent draft
capital. I feel like I could have won
this if. Pat wasn't very go.
I, I fucking, I had a really good draft here, but.
Your team was just my team. If I could have gotten Jaleel.
Or Videl or Estimate. My running back room would look
fucking great. It'd.
Be How many times have you heard that in the last two years?
I feel like I could have won what you won.
Well, thank you boys. Well, This is why we try to
generally get in different rooms, you know, But the
scheduling didn't allow for it this year.
Next year, we'll put these all on, you know, Sunday mornings.
We. Have two options.
I'm kind of hoping you do take the gross option that I think I
have to take so I can take the more fun option.
Is Mullins in Minnesota? Yes, Yeah, yeah, OK.
He's our new backup now and I think it's a pretty actually
like low key positive thing for. I'm shocked that Davis didn't
take Brendan Rice. Brendan Rice.
So here are my two names. They play for the same team.
Jamaal Williams, who's the right pick, and Kendra Miller.
Who you that? Kendra Miller was the one I
thought you were talking about, and I was like, I'm not going to
take Kendra. Miller, you got to give him Paul
Williams with Kendra. If Kendra Miller is actually
like, not going to play a lot. And you can I throw a name in?
Can I throw a name in? Do it Who?
Keaton Mitchell. Well, he, yeah, I mean, I kind
of. Got a lot of.
Production. I have 1234 rookies and Dalvin
Cook who's never going to play and so I need some front loaded
production. What about Miles Sanders for
front loaded production? I don't know if he actually
plays a lot. I think Chuba, I think Jumal
Williams is actually going to play like I think you.
I think Chu. I think Miles Sanders will
outscore Jamal Williams first four weeks.
He might. I do too, because I think
Taysom's almost the backup running back there.
Yeah, maybe. They love him.
Dennis Allen doesn't like anybody, and he loves Stacem
Hill. Bob Williams looked half decent
in the preseason. I'll say.
Like, that's part of the reason I took him.
It's really gross, but he looked half decent.
Finishes the Deep End Invitational league #3 pick
2012. Mike, you want to do a quick
rundown of our our three teams here and then we'll we'll get on
our way. I'd love to Right from the list
here. Ben goes, Josh Allen, Gino
Smith's going to live with two Blake Forum, Bucky Irving, Zach
Charbonnet, Antonio Gibson, Tyrone Tracy, Dalvin Cook, Will
Shipley, Jamal Williams. And I think, yes, that was the
order. Jalen Waddle, DK Metcalf, T
Higgins, Keenan Allen. Hollywood Brown.
Is he officially Hollywood Brown?
I never seen Marquis Brown anymore.
Jerry Judy Curtis Samuel, Josh Downs, Tight end.
Trey McBride Dalton Kincaid, Bam Bam.
Rounds 2:00 and 3:00. Those wide receivers, you can
talk about how shitty those running backs are, but those
wide receivers are pretty good. Has anybody ever brought up to
you guys how bad your running backs are?
Or probably not. First time.
First time it's ever happened,
it's happening. In how many things in the past
on Chuba in the last round, it wasn't Chuba, it was Miles
Sanders. Yeah, you know, it's long.
Gone. Yeah.
Jalen Hurts, Drake May, Baker Mayfield, Jalen Warren, Zamir
White, Jalil McLaughlin, Camille Kamani, Vidal Audric Estimae
Going light at running back. You don't have to make that
bigger for me. I got it.
Buku Nakua, Malik Neighbors Jaden Reed, Jameson Williams,
Demario Douglas, Greg Dorch, Ricky Pearsall, Brendan Rice at
receiver for Pat Travis, Kelsey Dallas Goddard, Hunter Henry at
tight end. Get it over with.
And finally, the first ever winner of this tournament.
Pete overzed, Brock Purdy, Aaron Rodgers, Bryce Young, running
back Jonathan Taylor, Rashad White, Romandre Stevenson,
Taijae Spears, Rico Dowdell, wide receiver.
Let's go. Tyree Kill, Garrett Wilson,
Christian Kirk, Keon Coleman, Wandale Robinson, Jalen Tolbert,
Malachi Corley, Jalen Hylet. And and I was doing so well.
Jalen Hyatt, Darius Slayton, George Kittle, Kolkamat,
Jatavion Sanders at tight end and that is that.
Thank you, Mike. Thank you more.
Thank you, Pete. Yeah, no, this is a blast.
I love that you guys keep this rolling every year.
We do obviously a ton of tight end premium, a ton of underdog,
but to get to mix in, you know, an Invitational with the
Superflex is always a a fun change of pace.
So keep up the good work and let people know the ship chasers you
mentioned, the Deep End podcast, let them know where they can
check out maybe the rest of these drafts and your guys's in
season content as well. Thank you.
At Deep End FF1 is where you can find our streams, including
tomorrow's. Lots of big names in there.
I'm also doing fantasy analysis every week for Purple Insider,
Matthew Koller's excellent Vikings podcast, and I'm on the
air every afternoon in Buffalo, including Bill's post game at
WGR Sports Radio 550. Pete, before we go, I just have
a request. Would you mind reading this
comment in the Davis voice? This Mike Show character is my
new favorite person. With the question mark.
Person No Mike. Mike is great if if you guys are
YouTube members on my channel. I did an interview with Mike
earlier this offseason and he tried to commandeer the the
podcast and interview me. So I tried to, you know, had to
bully him into being interviewed.
But we love Mike part of the the Buffalo Homer contingent.
You know, you guys go strong between Leone and gold Bills and
you and Adam and all those guys. So we are going to be back
tomorrow night. It is the infamous Crack Rock
draft, a note that is 7:00 PM Eastern that we are going to
kick that off. We're in the DMS with crack
right now figuring out what we want to do.
We're going to be drafting, I believe.
Is it from the 10 spot guys? I think it's from the 12/12/12,
yeah. The 12 SO.
That will be tomorrow night and then Tuesday, so we'll have the
long Labor Day weekend and then Tuesday we're doing a 5K big
playback, playback, big payback draft on FFPC with Leone.
So another classic ship chasing annual tradition.
And then off to Vegas. And then off to Vegas.
Yeah, have fun. Appreciate you not going.
I'm not going this year. Damn, Mike.
It was tough. I was hosting my show, I was
working as soon as I would land and go to my room and just sit
there for three or four hours and, and I don't know, like I, I
love being there. I love so much about it.
The bare knuckle, the bare knuckles.
Been at six out of 12 for like 2 months.
And you know, last year it was a little bit rowdy so I was kind
of turned off to it. But it's been fun to do that the
last three years. I will miss it for sure.
Yeah. We're saying it might not even
fall. I'm saying you guys should jump
in. That's a lot of kickers to
memorize. There's a lot of kickers.
Let's chase some fucking kickers, fellas.
Maybe too much chasing of kickers.
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