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Hello everyone, and welcome to a
special June 3rd edition of ADP 

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Chasing. 
We're back this week after a 

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brief hiatus. 
We'll be talking through rising 

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prices on Texans wide receivers,
camp hype on Jameson Williams 

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and Rashad Bateman, really an 
all time what could go wrong 

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moment and whether the market is
correct to be panicking on Kyron

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Williams. 
We'll be breaking it down all 

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here. 
Let's go. 

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ADP chasing is for when you 
watch ship chasing you go these 

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guys are just football guys. 
And the targets for outrun 

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leagues, that's going to be 
really nice, actually. 

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Back in if it's Ashenette. 
Ball, close your eyes. 

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You know all your entries are 
going to lose anyway. 

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That's fair. 
This is a Deus von show. 

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It's anti cabal. 
It's anti the best ball thought 

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leader. 
I'm obviously lying to some 

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degree because like I have a lot
of both of these guys. 

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It's. 
The most disgusting thing you 

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can make. 
But man, Pat Davis, it's good to

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be back. 
How you guys doing? 

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Grand. 
Yeah, I'm, I did have a moment 

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of panic this morning when I saw
the best ball Mania was 17% 

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full. 
And I think I've only drafted 18

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teams. 
I, I, I'm worried that I might 

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have to start drafting a little 
bit more in the flagship 

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contest, not on DraftKings. 
DraftKings is gonna be fine. 

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But you know, there there's 
definitely a chance that these 

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sickos fill best ball Mania like
two weeks before the season 

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actually starts. 
They're gonna. 

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They're gonna, they're gonna be.
I mean, we know, Underdog said. 

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We could have made it bigger, 
but we have some other stuff we 

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want to do. 
Well, that's cool, and they're 

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doing some other stuff and it's 
very fun. 

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But if you don't make it bigger,
we're just going to fill it 

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sooner. 
That's how this goes. 

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Like, and I just can't. 
I mean, Can you imagine the 

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nightmare of drafting 148 best 
ball mania, five teams? 

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You're just like, you're like, 
no, 151. 

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The 150 would have been a 
cactus. 

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Yeah. 
No, no. 

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You want to know something else 
fucked up? 

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They never sent me the cactus 
from two years ago. 

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I've yet to get a cactus, one 
because I had a draft cancelled 

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the like the day before it 
closed when I was in Vegas and I

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couldn't do it, and then the 
other the next year, the cactus 

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was sent to an old apartment 
that I used to live in in New 

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York. 
Yeah, I just don't. 

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Think that was my fault? 
They just never sent it to me. 

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What a bummer. 
I I still have mine, it's still,

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it's still kicking too. 
That's actually actually some 

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swag that my wife would 
appreciate. 

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As opposed to all these God 
awful T-shirts that fantasy 

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companies send you. 
Or like the DraftKings suitcase,

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you know, like I need, I need 
these companies to be giving me,

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you know, very minuscule rake 
back that my wife will at least 

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appreciate. 
It was funny, I was like in 

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between I was moving to school, 
I think when I got my cactus 

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this past year. 
So I had it shipped to my 

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parents address and my mom's 
like, oh, what is what is this 

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for? 
Is this for like winning a 

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tournament or something? 
I'm like, yeah, yeah, close. 

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To definitely, yeah, yeah. 
It's definitely for winning, 

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Yeah, pretty much. 
You won. 

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You won a contest. 
So yeah, anyway, since we've 

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been gone, I'm curious before we
get into risers and fallers, 

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have you guys been approaching 
these new contests with the the 

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Sprint and the marathon 2 like 
completely different types of 

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tournaments from what we've had 
with underdog so far. 

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So I'm curious, are you, you 
guys have preference for one 

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over the other? 
You, you messed around with the 

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revolver. 
I'm curious how you guys have 

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been approaching those. 
Conceptually, I like the Sprint 

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a lot. 
It's just another time element 

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to layer on top. 
And the price point is like not 

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great for if you want to Max it,
which I think I mean, you 

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probably don't want to like you 
probably do want to Max it to 

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approach it in a portfolio 
sense. 

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Maybe not Max it, but you want 
to have a fair number of 

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entries. 
And it's like, you know, I, I'm 

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going to Max all the flagship 
contests on these sites and I'm 

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going to, every time they 
release a single entry thing on 

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underdog, I'm going to Max that 
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And then I'm probably going to 
Max one of the puppies at some 

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point. 
And I got main events and it's 

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like, so how much money do I 
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fantasy football in a, in a 
given year? 

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Like probably not more that much
more than like $10,000, you 

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know, So it's like, I don't 
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undecided. 
I think the sprint's more 

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interesting for sure, because so
Sacrilegious had an article out 

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this morning on Legendary Upside
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actually really kind of brings 
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principles that he's been 
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Because whereas in Best Ball 
Mania, right, you don't want to 

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have like really identical teams
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both make Week 17 and you 
basically have one path in that 

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path. 
In that path, you're probably 

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winning first and 2nd. 
And it's like, that's not really

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how these prize structures work.
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play for that kind of outcome in
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probably not gonna happen. 
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happening. 
If those teams advance, they 

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compete against each other for 
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Yeah, if you if you nut out in 
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and you just have like 15 in the
same team, you're you're just 

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competing against your own EV. 
You've just just burned a ton of

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your own EV. 
It makes no sense to do it that 

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way. 
And he was actually using some 

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examples of starts where like 
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he's only sharing a couple picks
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And he's already breaking ties 
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Because of how stacking and you 
know, correlation is really 

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important, you pretty quickly 
end up consolidating onto fairly

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similar rosters, fairly similar 
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maybe you have different 
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they're kind of probably 
counting on the same players in 

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the final three weeks. 
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an interesting strategy element 
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through and it's not something 
you really need to think through

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so much in the main event. 
Like in the main event, everyone

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knows which is you know this 
structure is very similar to 

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FFPC main event, but everyone 
knows that your team is not 

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actually going to be the team 
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playoff Sprint in that format 
because of waivers right and 

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because. 
Of so, so much, yeah, so. 

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Much so. 
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pull the lever like when go 
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they specifically pulled 
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like we're starting Zay Jones 
this week and now we're going to

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bench Zay Jones, which no one 
who else has Zay Jones will have

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the balls to do. 
We're going to do that. 

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Obviously, that's not how best 
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So you can't kind of manually 
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And so you have to, I think 
think through just being careful

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about kind of scooping your own 
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can be more interested in 
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Actually I'm like, oh, there's a
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can. 
I've never. 

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My brain has never gotten big 
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the Sprint where you bench the 
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scored 35. 
My it's my it's. 

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Me neither, man. 
You're you're who you're. 

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Like that, that level of 
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I like to think of myself as a 
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style guy, But that is just I, I
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I mean, crack rock basically did
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He he just benched Amari Cooper 
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I just said it's fine. 
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I, I wasn't thinking about the 
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makes a lot of sense for the 
Sprint. 

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Cause I've heard you guys talk a
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the importance of 
diversification even for 

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Bestball Mania. 
And I certainly agree that it's 

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important. 
But I've always had the thought 

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in the in the back of my head, 
like even if I draft the 

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identical same team, like 
there's a chance in Bestball 

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Mania, right? 
That like one of those teams 

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just gets knocked out in week 15
cause of potluck and the other 

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one doesn't, right. 
So like, it it, it certainly 

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matters, but there's a chance 
that it just doesn't the 

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mattering. 
But and this that is, yeah, go 

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ahead. 
Sorry, that's actually a so that

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is a take counterpoint, which I 
think is actually an interesting

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thing to think through with 
diversification. 

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In order for that to be true, 
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the nuts. 
Like if you're saying I have the

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nuts and I want the nuts twice 
so that maybe the nuts gets 

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through to week 17 and one pod, 
not the other, that's but you're

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saying you have the nuts 
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And that is actually about how 
confident are you that any one 

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of your teams is the nuts. 
And if you feel that confident, 

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then yeah, OK, make a couple 
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But it's really about you are 
extremely confident from a 

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portfolio creation standpoint. 
Any two of your random teams 

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being identical is not Yeah. 
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Like I agree with that. 
I was just saying like in 

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comparison to the Sprint, like I
think you could at least make an

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argument in Bestball Mania for 
making like copies or close to 

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copies, like if you're really 
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But in the Sprint, there's 
almost no argument for it in my 

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opinion, because you're you're 
guaranteed to have both those 

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teams all the way to week 17 in 
the Sprint if they advance, 

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right? 
So that that's the point I'm 

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saying is, is I agree with you 
that diversification, not 

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building very similar teams is 
like even more powerful, I think

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in the Sprint, which is I 
believe the point you're making 

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originally. 
I, I, I like to, I like to think

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about this for the Sprint, which
is that you really, I mean, 

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you're just gonna have to have 
the three-week nuts. 

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I mean, there are a lot of 
reasons for that. 

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But a great explanatory variable
for that would be there were 

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there were pods in week 16 last 
year that straight up did not 

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have Amari Cooper or George 
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them. 
Like not only, not only were 

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there teams without one of them,
there were, there were just pods

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that did not feature an Amari 
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period, Which is, I mean, that's
in it's insane. 

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But that's it's just, you know, 
the, the, the law of large 

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numbers, I guess. 
Yeah. 

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And it's just it's so much 
dependent on. 

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That's not I think it's even 
large numbers that's. 

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That's not bad at all. 
I I want to I want to risk the 

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math from the. 
We'll edit. 

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We'll edit that out. 
Good thing this isn't isn't live

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or anything, but yeah, the same 
thing happened with Mike Evans, 

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right? 
The year that you won Crane, 

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like he had an absolute blow up 
game and it didn't matter 

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because what, three people had 
him or something like 'cause he 

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was a. 
Second round pick, he was 

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actually on the team that I 
built, went ahead of my second 

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round pick. 
He went in the early second 

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round in that draft and he was a
very, very poor advance rate 

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player and didn't do anything in
the playoffs up to that point. 

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So yeah, I think there were like
3-3 people in there. 

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So you didn't need Mike Evans. 
I think on some of the other 

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tournaments people are winning 
without Mike Evans. 

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But yeah, you'll you'll need 
Mike Evans I think, right, Maybe

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or maybe not. 
What do you need? 

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Mike Evans more or less because 
it is a It's a bigger pool of. 

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Well, but the the score of one 
week, the impact of one week is 

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minimized. 
Right. 

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So in in fact, you would maybe, 
maybe need Mike Evans less, but 

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the Amari Cooper, Yeah, but the 
Amari. 

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Cooper you would not have. 
You would not have been able to 

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win without Pickens and Cooper, 
but you could have, you could 

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have survived any player who 
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So you couldn't you you would 
have been fine for for any 

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player that did that once, but 
you could not have survived what

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Cooper went. 
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61, and both of them had good 
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In week 15 I think Cooper didn't
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In week 7. 
Cooper didn't play in Week 17, 

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which is so funny in retrospect,
right? 

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I mean, it's just so funny. 
Yeah, the is this is this the 

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ultimate elite tight end format 
where you get that spike week 

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because you have like the whole 
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like. 
I think I think the I think the 

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marathon I I think any, I think 
any contest that's just 

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cumulative, like the drafters 
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ultimate elite tight end because
you were just gonna there are a 

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lot of weeks where 13 might be 
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points doesn't matter that much.
And you know, if you if you 

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like, for example, every Mark 
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much does that outscore a Jake 
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Zachertz team by like, I don't 
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Well, but the elite tight end 
doesn't have great advance 

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rates. 
So just over the course of a 14 

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week season you can kind of make
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end production with with cheap 
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But it's that in the playoffs, 
elite one elite tight end is 

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probably going to go nuts one 
week. 

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And like we saw last year at 
Laporta, right, it wasn't an 

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elite tight end. 
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who went nuts. 
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to be the elites, but generally 
we're pretty good at pricing the

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tight ends. 
And so the bet is I'm going to 

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one of these guys in the early 
rounds is pretty likely to blow 

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up. 
And we saw a couple years ago, 

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Mark Andrews had insane he was 
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It was three years ago now. 
He was insane chalk in the 

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final, then doesn't do anything 
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You can win without Marc 
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you're winning without Marc 
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that year he went nuts for two 
weeks. 

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I think he went nuts one week 
and then another good week. 

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I've got a I've got a thought. 
You're gonna need him. 

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I've got a thought experiment 
for you. 

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At what, at what advance rate 
does a player actually become a 

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guy you wish he wouldn't have 
taken because they are going to 

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be so ubiquitous in the 
elimination rounds, right? 

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So like I think Josh Jacobs from
two years ago is a pretty good 

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example where what he he was 
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advance rate or something. 
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and I and I actually think he he
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playoffs, right. 
So he didn't end up making it, 

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But there there definitely is an
inflection point of a guy is so 

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owned in the elimination rounds 
that even though he would have 

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advanced your teams, you 
definitely would not have wanted

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to make him a core part of your 
strategy. 

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I think. 
I mean again, I'm just vibing 

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here so that could be wrong. 
I, I see what you're I, I think 

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The thing is though, it's like 
so hard, like I still know how 

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actionable that even if it is 
true, right, that there is a 

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certain point at which the 
really high advance rate player,

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you don't want to have them. 
It's like, how do we control for

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that one? 
I mean, yeah, there's there's no

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way to do so the way we're 
playing the game. 

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It's just a thought. 
Exactly. 

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Literally just. 
Yeah. 

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My other thought too is that 
like the guys never really get 

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that highly owned in these type 
of tournaments compared to like 

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ADFS weekly tournament. 
Well, it will in the Sprint, so 

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there will be in the in the 
Sprint. 

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But what's the highest even? 
In the BBM final, it's it's 

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still pretty high. 
I mean, you might have like 40% 

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or something. 
So. 

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So you must Sprint. 
There will be I bet. 

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If I had to bet, I'd set the 
line at 4 1/2 players above 40%.

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Probably something like that. 
Yeah, I guess I'd I have to go 

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look, but I mean the. 
You're basically saying the 40% 

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who had the highest advance rate
'cause you're saying there's 

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going to be someone with a 40% 
advance rate. 

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Yeah, that's. 
What I'm saying so highest 

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regulatory? 
Advance rates aren't that high, 

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are they? 
Puka, Kyron, Jacobs, Kelsey are 

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all guys off the top of my head.
I remember I. 

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Think you still want puka and 
kyron though. 

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Like those late round picks are 
so valuable. 

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Yeah, it's it. 
It would. 

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The Jacobs example is really the
only corollary where it's like 

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this guy who's like kind of got 
a shitty median projection even 

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though he keeps crushing every 
week. 

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I think this point is more about
the some of the issues of 

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stacking up week 16 in regular 
WrestleMania where like you're, 

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if you capture that week 16 
where everyone goes off and you 

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have all the people, it's like, 
and that's how you get in. 

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I I tell a lot of people, maybe 
got in you. 

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Know I mean we're. 
In with a lot of chalk. 

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We're, we're 16 minutes in, so 
it's not far enough that, that 

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no one's listening. 
But I don't get, I, I don't even

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know who plays anyone in week 
16. 

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I do not care at all. 
That's not what I'm optimizing 

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for. 
I, I don't care. 

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Why would I care? 
I mean, it's not, it's not my 

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priority. 
My my priority is 17. 

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I agree with that. 
Let's let's get into the risers 

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and follow. 
Share before everyone stops 

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listening. 
Yeah, this is killing me. 

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This top riser is killing me. 
Number one here, Jalen Waddle, 

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he's up four spots. 
This is over the past two weeks,

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a 15% increase in ADP from 27 to
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I think honestly a lot of this 
is probably driven by both ETR 

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and Legendary Upside You, Pat. 
Yeah, I was about to say I was 

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about to. 
Say ADP on Waddle. 

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We're all trying to find the guy
who did this. 

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Yeah. 
So Pat, do you want to give the 

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case for why you're so much 
higher than Waddle than than the

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market? 
Yeah, I mean, and it's not just 

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my case, A lot of short people 
are Owen Waddle. 

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I think it's, it's a pretty 
simple case of like he crushes 

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and basically everything you 
want a wide receiver to crush 

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in. 
He's very talented. 

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We there's like really no push 
back on the idea that he's very 

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talented. 
He's in an offence that produces

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efficiently through the air, you
know, is well designed. 

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He has sufficiently good 
quarterback play. 

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He really pops in a, in a lot of
the stuff that we care about. 

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It's just that he is so, so, so 
clearly the number 2 to Tyreek 

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Hill in that offense. 
But Tyreek Hill isn't, you know,

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insanely efficient that it's 
sort of like, I guess if the, if

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the the ceiling can be raised 
that high on the number one, 

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give me the number two, It's 
fine. 

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And then we we have contingent 
value here. 

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Like we have legitimate 
contingent. 

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Value with this wide receipt. 
So you're getting like a guy who

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is producing the efficiency, the
per route stuff of honestly, 

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like a late first round pick. 
And then because he's the number

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two, you're getting in the late 
second round. 

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And then on top of that, you 
have this, what if he is 

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actually the number, the number 
one by the end of the season? 

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You know, Tyree Kill in his 
final seasons on the Chiefs was 

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missing lots of games all the 
time. 

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So even for a couple games, if 
you get Waddle as like the 

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dolphins #1 in the Tyree kill 
role, I mean, it's a it's a 

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smash. 
It's it's a super smash. 

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I mean, Jalen was actually Jalen
Waddle was actually better last 

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season in in the advanced stuff.
So in yards per route run 

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targets per out run. 
Yeah, I knew I knew I knew Sam 

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would have this ready. 
I mean, the, the fact is, the 

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fact is he's just a very good 
player who basically just kept 

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getting injured at the most 
inopportune times last season. 

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He just would like roll over on 
his ankle. 

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He'd he'd, I, I remember, I 
remember a drive, I wanna say 

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this was the London game where 
it was a drive and he got the 

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wind knocked out of him in 
inside the red zone. 

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So we had to go run off to the 
sideline and it was another most

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hurt touchdown. 
Like it's just, I think it's, 

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it's basically just completely 
random. 

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You have the guy, he actually 
ran more routes per game then 

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Tyreek Hill last year because 
Tyreek just always goes off to 

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the sideline. 
So you're talking about the guy 

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who led the most efficient 
passing offense in the NFL and 

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routes and he got less 
expensive. 

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Now you guys are obviously ETR 
and legendary upside are 

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dedicated to ruining the game 
because there was a brief, there

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was a brief moment in time where
you could just get Waddle every 

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time in the third round. 
He was going after Diggs, after 

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Digimore, after Malik Neighbors.
He was like the wide receiver 22

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for like a week. 
And now, I mean, I think the 

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market is I actually would take 
him ahead of Nico and of Mike 

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Evans. 
But yeah, he's he's probably 

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like the best pick on the board 
at that 2-3 turn now. 

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Yeah, I think I think he's a 
great pick at the 2-3 turn in 

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the comments, someone saying in 
the game Tariq missed last 

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season water was really average.
That's just not true. 

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He had 28 PPR points in that 
game. 

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Week 15. 
That's Terry Gill missed. 

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Average, but it that's the thing
you're not understanding. 

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Yeah, I guess the fact that that
felt average to you is pretty 

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bullish. 
Yeah. 

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Last last two seasons that he's 
yeah, he's only missed one game.

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Yeah, I I was, I was thinking 
there was more, but yeah, it was

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only one. 
Yeah, but yeah, I, I think like 

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there's you look at all the 
advanced stats and I pulled him 

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up here, he's pretty 
consistently top 12:00-ish wide 

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receiver in the things that we 
care about here, you know, yards

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for outrun, targets for outrun. 
If you really wanted to, maybe 

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you could nitpick his, his 
touchdown upside, but I don't 

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know, I, I, I think that's, 
that's pretty hard to. 

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Do back-to-back yards for 
outruns are like Justin 

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Jefferson, like that's like the 
level we're talking about like 

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CD Lamb, like the very, very 
best wide receivers in the 

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league put up numbers like this.
So I you know, I understand that

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like he's not maybe going to run
every single route because of 

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the way that offense is set up. 
And I don't know, like, is it 

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maybe it's schemed and that 
feels a little grosser than if 

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it's like 100% talent related, 
but it's, it's largely talent 

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related. 
He's really good. 

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It's not, you know what Odell 
Beckham's yards per out run's 

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gonna be like 1.12. 
So like, don't worry, this guy's

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good. 
Yeah, and I do think like the 

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supporting I I think the reason 
this offense has been so 

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concentrated is obviously a, you
know, Tyree Kill and Jalen 

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Waddell are two of the best, you
know, 10 wide receivers in the 

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NFL And B, the peripheral 
weapons around those two have 

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been really, really bad. 
I think this year they're maybe 

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marginally improved. 
Like Jonnu Smith is a better 

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tight end weapon than than 
they've had in the past. 

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Odell is, I don't think is 
anything I, I don't know, Malik 

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Washington is maybe something. 
The wide receivers there are 

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still pretty thin. 
Other than last year but like, 

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is he better than Gazicki Jonnu?
He's he's like the same. 

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Yeah, maybe, maybe barely right 
and. 

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Then you really could you, you 
actually could argue that that 

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like in a way kind of helps 
model like just that. 

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It's not, it's not so much on 
those two guys like maybe the 

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per route, maybe the targets per
route run goes down a little 

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bit, but the overall efficiency 
comes up to some degree or the 

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our drives extend or whatever. 
I mean the really, and I I mean 

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this totally not ironically. 
I mean I am worried about Tua 

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playing outdoors and these cold 
ass games. 

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And I, I I was gonna get to 
that. 

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And like, I've heard Karain talk
about it and Karain look me in 

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the eyes. 
It's, you know, late December. 

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Yeah. 
He was going to Cleveland. 

446
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:57,840
Look us in the eyes and tell us 
you're not. 

447
00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,440
Tell us that you're not. 
You're not. 

448
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:00,200
Worried. 
I'm not worried. 

449
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,760
I mean, just like how many years
in a row do we have to see two 

450
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:12,880
more years collapsed and need 
more before we shot the trend? 

451
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,640
I need more years. 
I don't even know if it's cold 

452
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,560
on. 
I mean, December 28th is going 

453
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,320
to be colder than now, but I 
don't know if it's going to be 

454
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,840
like. 
Alright, we're we're thinking 

455
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,440
probabilistically though, right?
Like the odds of it being cold 

456
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:30,200
and shitty are much higher in Q.
I've got, I've got some real, 

457
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,240
I've got some real facts and 
logic for you, Crane, that 

458
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:39,600
you're not going to want to hear
to a Tego by LOA. 31 games, not 

459
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:45,040
in December. 20.56 fantasy 
points per game. 12 games in 

460
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:49,480
December or later in his career,
14.58 fantasy points per game. 

461
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,760
I mean, obviously there's more 
to it than that, and I'm not 

462
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,720
saying it's hard. 
He's going off a concussion and 

463
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:57,720
some of that stuff like give me 
a break. 

464
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,480
Like it's so it's December. 
December is the only, let's be 

465
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:02,760
honest, back here we could have 
here. 

466
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:04,920
He's from Hawaii. 
He just can't. 

467
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,000
He can't play in. 
The world this is the this is. 

468
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,440
The can't play in the cold. 
This is the Jared Goff thing. 

469
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,880
It's like I, I don't want, I 
don't want to ever have Jared 

470
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,440
Goff stuff in the the fucking 
frozen tundra in December. 

471
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,040
He's got the smallest hands in 
the world. 

472
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:22,120
He's California boy, that's. 
What I'm saying? 

473
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,080
Letting it influence this is 
what I'll say. 

474
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,720
We just did this and you wanted 
pieces from the Cleveland Jets. 

475
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,240
Game if you if you bring up the 
you bring up the El Nino I'm 

476
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,280
gonna quit I'm gonna rage quit 
the show we. 

477
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:40,920
Literally last year, Zach 
Wilson's Jets playing in 

478
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,640
Cleveland was one of the teams 
that you wanted pieces on 

479
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,360
expensive pieces. 
Well, Zach Wilson is better in 

480
00:24:48,360 --> 00:24:52,560
the cold than Tua. 
The stats The stats the. 

481
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,760
Stats literally don't lie. 
Zach Wilson is Zach Wilson is 

482
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:57,640
from Utah. 
He is used to the cold. 

483
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:04,000
Bro, give me I I will. 
I will just I will just say 

484
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,160
this. 
I'm not letting it influence my 

485
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:07,440
decision making. 
Yeah. 

486
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,040
What are we? 
Supposed to do You're not taking

487
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,120
Tyreek 3I. 
Guess what? 

488
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:10,760
What? 
I'm. 

489
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,920
Still taking him, but I wanna 
have this take on the record. 

490
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,480
That, too, is gonna collapse, 
end the season. 

491
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,640
A totally unactionable take that
you're not doing anything about,

492
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,320
right? 
Now I, I will tell you, I will 

493
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,160
tell you. 
Just have it on the record. 

494
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:24,400
I should have let the record 
show. 

495
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:25,720
I'm not. 
I'm not. 

496
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,480
Really taking Browns. 
I'm not really taking Browns 

497
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,320
with Waddle or a chain. 
I'm just kind of just taking 

498
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,600
them. 
But I'm not making it a point to

499
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,840
get Amari or and Joko or 
whatever on those teams. 

500
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,280
Yeah, I mean, it just feels like
every year the season starts and

501
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,720
we're like, oh, wow, the 
Dolphins are the best team in 

502
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,600
football. 
They're so exciting and by Week 

503
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,680
10, they're the worst offense. 
So I mean, that's so true. 

504
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:55,000
Like the 70 points against the 
Denver Broncos literally cannot 

505
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,880
score against the Buffalo Blues 
in their entire season on the 

506
00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,760
line. 
That Just remember that playoffs

507
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,160
game against the Chiefs? 
Do you remember how pathetic 

508
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,120
that was? 
It was, it was one of the most 

509
00:26:04,120 --> 00:26:07,160
pathetic efforts I've ever seen 
from a football team. 

510
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:08,040
It was so. 
Bad. 

511
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,600
You have to have conviction that
you just you just don't draft 

512
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,000
Dolphins. 
That's how you you. 

513
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,640
I'm just. 
Not drafting the Browns. 

514
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,000
I'm just not drafting Browns. 
I didn't hear anything about the

515
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,320
Browns collapsing down the 
stretch. 

516
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,000
They're from Cleveland. 
I think they. 

517
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,480
Live in the cold. 
They can't wait till it's cold. 

518
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,360
I'm predicting a 17 week 
collapse from the Deshaun 

519
00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:30,480
Watson. 
Now how I'll end up how I'll end

520
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,560
up being wrong about that is 
Deshaun Watson decides in week 

521
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,520
five he doesn't feel like 
playing fakes. 

522
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,240
A shoulder injury and Jameis 
Winston just I mean. 

523
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:40,640
He can't take a shoulder injury 
again. 

524
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,560
He can't. 
He's already doing it. 

525
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,520
He's he's throwing. 
Every already he's already, he's

526
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,560
called McCoy, he's pointing, 
he's out there pointing it with 

527
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,440
receivers. 
It's it's already very 

528
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,360
concerning. 
It's, it's over. 

529
00:26:52,360 --> 00:26:55,200
I mean, the Browns, we can talk 
with about the Browns like I 

530
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,480
know any projection will tell 
you that Deshaun Watson, the 

531
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,360
Browns are all great values this
year, but. 

532
00:27:00,360 --> 00:27:03,640
Great values. 
I'm just doing a vibes check on 

533
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,160
Deshaun Watson and that guy does
not want to play football 

534
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,680
anymore and I'll I'll sure I'll 
take some of them, I'll take 

535
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,200
some Amari and I'll mix them in.
But like, I do not want to make 

536
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,440
a core part of my strategy this 
season betting on Deshaun Watson

537
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,960
like he he just does. 
He doesn't want to play football

538
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,560
anymore if. 
I thought he had the dog in him 

539
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:22,680
if I. 
Thought. 

540
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,480
I if I thought the dog existed 
and he was like I'm going 

541
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,640
revenge tour on everyone. 
They all said I was done. 

542
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,000
They all said he does not care 
dude, he doesn't care. 

543
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,120
It really feels like he doesn't 
care. 

544
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,840
Yeah. 
Yeah, and, and, and the team 

545
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,200
doesn't feel like they care that
much about him. 

546
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:42,600
They don't care that much about 
him. 

547
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,240
They were happier playing with 
Flacco. 

548
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:49,560
Yeah, yeah. 
I mean, it's just he's so cheap 

549
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,480
in the upside. 
He's usually easy to stack. 

550
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,480
The upside is theoretically 
there. 

551
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,560
You know, it's just like, but I 
think you're right. 

552
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:05,800
I mean, I, I don't go into any 
drafts being like, Oh, I gotta 

553
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,880
get the, I gotta get the Browns 
and I generally am not drafting 

554
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,520
a ton of them already, but I do 
find myself backed into Judy 

555
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:14,320
fairly frequently. 
Well. 

556
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,480
That is a that is a personal 
problem and I advise you, I 

557
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,360
advise you to see your physician
about that because there are 

558
00:28:20,360 --> 00:28:22,280
plenty of good players who are 
going around. 

559
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:23,760
That religious has gone on 
strike. 

560
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,280
He got this article out and then
refused. 

561
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,800
He's refusing to write anymore. 
Until I stopped drafting Judy. 

562
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:28,880
He can. 
I mean, you could just. 

563
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,200
You could just. 
Simply take dantavian Wicks bro 

564
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,160
you could just say you know ball
like these are. 

565
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,080
Wicks is usually gone man. 
Wicks is moving. 

566
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:37,080
Up. 
Yeah, I know, I know. 

567
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:38,440
It's so funny. 
Dantavian. 

568
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,080
I would love to take Dantavian 
Wicks. 

569
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:44,240
He was drafted 18 picks ago. 
I took Dantavy and Wicks today, 

570
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,600
hand up. 
I took Dantavy and Wicks today 

571
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,640
in the 10th round. 
I just, I was just like 

572
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,080
whatever. 
I I need a wide receiver here. 

573
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,200
I'm not really, I'm not really 
that into it. 

574
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:54,600
I'm just taking Dantavy and 
Wicks. 

575
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,520
In which round? 
The tenth round. 

576
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,200
Whoa, baby. 
Well, maybe I didn't even. 

577
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,560
I think maybe I was going to 
take him and I got sniped. 

578
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,360
Let's let's go to let's move to 
talking about Wicks here before 

579
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,520
we get some of these other guys.
He actually he's on this list 

580
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,280
here, eighth biggest riser up 
like a full round. 

581
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,440
I think if you went back 
farther, I think he maybe 

582
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:18,760
started BBM around one 45150. 
So he's he's up a lot here. 

583
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,240
I'll share this chart as we 
discussed this. 

584
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,120
I think I pulled this together a
few weeks ago, but this is the 

585
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:30,080
five Packers wide receivers that
were part of the rotation by the

586
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,440
end of the season. 
Again, Wick, the case for Wicks 

587
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,080
is pretty simple is yards per 
out run, targets per out run. 

588
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:39,000
Those are very strong numbers as
a rookie, especially a fifth or 

589
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:40,680
sixth round rookie, whatever he 
was. 

590
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:45,440
The problem obviously is they 
used a heavy rotation last year.

591
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,720
I I guess I don't this is what 
we should talk about. 

592
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:53,520
Like what is the Packers 
incentive to get away from this 

593
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,320
rotation if all of these guys 
are playing well? 

594
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:57,880
That's, that's the hardest part,
right? 

595
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,640
It's that's the only thing 
that's gonna get them there is 

596
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,760
if one of them really separates.
I think the thing that is 

597
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:09,960
helping Wix the most is that 
we're getting they're just never

598
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,240
going to run Watson 70% of the 
routes. 

599
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,720
It's just never going to he they
just are not going to. 

600
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,360
They're not going to plan to 
play their team that way because

601
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:18,760
they don't trust them to be 
healthy. 

602
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,800
I've scoured every corner of the
Internet for Dantavian Wicks 

603
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,640
Bear take and I've yet to hear 
one. 

604
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,400
Are am I? 
Am I about to get one? 

605
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:27,920
Is this? 
Is this where you're headed, 

606
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:29,000
Sam? 
Sam No. 

607
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:30,800
No, I no. 
I I'm in on. 

608
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,760
He's like oh God, please don't 
come to me bro. 

609
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,320
Please Sam has made bear case 
against every player. 

610
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,720
Here's the bear case. 
I I can't do the bear case for 

611
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:41,960
Wicks. 
If that's what the people want, 

612
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,240
find no one wants. 
It there's no. 

613
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:49,320
Find me, find me one, Find me 
one stat that Dantavian Wicks 

614
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,080
was better than Bow Mountain in 
last year. 

615
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:56,320
Vibes vibes for. 
That's that's the bear case Bow 

616
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,760
Mountain 2.7 yards per outrun, 
29% targets per outrun. 

617
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,920
There's now the point, the point
of this take, the point of this 

618
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,720
take is just that. 
What if this is just, these are 

619
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,600
just Jordan Love stats. 
All these, all these stats for 

620
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,520
for Wicks are just Jordan Love 
stats and they just play on that

621
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,080
same 50% route rate 'cause they 
like the other guys better. 

622
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,920
That's it's not impossible, but 
at his ADP, I'm taking him, I'm 

623
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,600
drafting him. 
If you want to, if you Sam, if 

624
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,040
you really wanted to workshop a 
take, I mean, I'll just, I'll 

625
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:26,840
just help you. 
I'll just help you out here. 

626
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:32,120
You could do the Bo Melton was 
at the same Rutgers program that

627
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,040
hid Isaiah Pacheco from 
everyone. 

628
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,000
Like literally the worst. 
I believe they were the the 

629
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:41,120
worst team in their division. 
They were consistently like A2 

630
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,320
win team. 
And that's where Bo Melton had 

631
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,760
to play. 
So, so maybe you could go there,

632
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,040
but where where was he in 2022? 
Did he just not play? 

633
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,920
He graduated College in 2021. 
He was on the Seahawks, I think.

634
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,360
I think he got drafted by the 
Seahawks and then released after

635
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,960
not playing at all. 
Yeah, he ran 77 rounds. 

636
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:03,040
I think we can just sort of 
pretend for this conversation 

637
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,480
that he doesn't exist. 
I I think the the thing that 

638
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:09,600
Wicks has to do is he's got to 
eat the leftover Watson routes 

639
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:16,920
and he's got to jump Dobbs. 
I do, I mean, Sam, I think in a 

640
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,800
roundabout way you're kind of 
making like a Christian Watson 

641
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,800
bull case, right? 
Or like or a Jaden Jaden Reed 

642
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,360
bull case or like if one of 
these guys who's. 

643
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,800
Earlier. 
Yeah, like if if one of the guys

644
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,760
who's most likely to be a 
starter, it just is a starter, 

645
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,480
then they have Jordan Love 
potentially being very 

646
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,280
efficient. 
Now maybe you're saying it's 

647
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,720
just it's just going to be a 
rotation and all these guys are 

648
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,640
going to be tricky, but which 
is, I think very plausible, but.

649
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,120
I think they're just all. 
Pride in the offense. 

650
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,880
Oh yeah, I I want to be clear 
that I'm not anti Wix, I'm not 

651
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,960
anti real. 
I want to be very clear please. 

652
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,280
I know ball. 
I know ball. 

653
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,720
But yeah, I mean, this, this is,
we say this a lot, but this like

654
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,640
the Packers are the ultimate 
veteran best ball offense. 

655
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,960
Yeah, like when it comes to that
PC season, I probably won't be 

656
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,960
taking much Wicks, to be fair. 
Yeah, I mean you wanna. 

657
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,000
I say that. 
Retract that. 

658
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,240
I mean, we'll, we'll figure it 
out. 

659
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:26,960
We'll figure it out when we get 
there. 

660
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,400
The the, I guess the real thing 
is, is that I already don't care

661
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,720
about Romeo Dobbs. 
Dubbs, like, he might as well 

662
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,320
not exist to me. 
I don't know if I've ever 

663
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,280
drafted him. 
I think he's like totally 

664
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,000
whatever. 
And Jaden Reed kind of has the 

665
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,280
slappy Debo like getting there 
on rushing production and 

666
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:47,400
touchdowns type stuff. 
Like you could tell me that Reed

667
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,240
runs 50% of the routes this 
upcoming you like. 

668
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:54,440
I would believe that Wicks leads
the team in routes this up. 

669
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,640
I really would believe that. 
I actually kind of think Jayden 

670
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,240
Reid is is kind of a bad pick 
Again, like all these Packers 

671
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,080
wide receivers. 
I want to be in on Jordan Love. 

672
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,600
So I'm not saying it's a 
terrible pick, but he was 

673
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,360
healthy last year in the 
playoffs. 

674
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,920
Like he had already been back 
for two weeks before that. 

675
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,960
And in the playoffs last year he
had a 60% route, right? 

676
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,120
Like I, I think when all these 
guys are having. 

677
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,280
Questionable coming into the 
first playoff game, remember. 

678
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,120
He I know he was banged up a bit
down the stretch, but again, his

679
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,639
looking at this chart, his his 
route rate and games played this

680
00:34:27,639 --> 00:34:31,000
season, and this includes one 
game where he left early was 

681
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,480
63%. 
Like he's not a full time wide 

682
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,800
receiver. 
He's targeted heavily when he's 

683
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:41,880
on the field, but I don't know 
like give, give me like the the 

684
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,679
under on. 
Jordan, he's also like 21 years 

685
00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:46,040
old. 
Like he might just be better. 

686
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,560
He was banged up and he might 
just be better this year. 

687
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,120
Yeah, I know, but that I guess 
that means that they're going to

688
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,199
bench one of Watson dubs or 
Wicks, right? 

689
00:34:54,199 --> 00:34:56,480
It's. 
Watson, I mean, Watson is Watson

690
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,960
is giving sort of this is what 
you do when a guy enters year 

691
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,280
three and he just can't stay 
healthy and he can't 

692
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,520
consistently be there. 
These are the types of guys that

693
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:10,120
like fantasy managers can't ever
give up on, but real life 

694
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,560
coaches get sick of them, which 
is guys who just can't be 

695
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,080
available. 
And remember he had like a 

696
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:19,400
couple awful drops last year 
too, like like skull melting, 

697
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,320
bad drop. 
I think Watson and Wicks are 

698
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,640
functionally the same player for
the offense. 

699
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,760
So like, I don't think like Reed
is not. 

700
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,920
There's no three wide receiver 
set that's Wicks, Dobbs and 

701
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,760
Watson. 
Well, how would that? 

702
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:36,360
Look well, Watson was playing a 
decent bit of slot getting. 

703
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,200
Like. 
Getting like the handoffs and 

704
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:39,360
stuff like the gimmicky. 
Reeds. 

705
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,440
I guess I just wasn't imagining 
Watson in the slot. 

706
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,920
Watson to me was was more 
They're both kind of outside 

707
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,720
vertical guys Reid provides you 
with. 

708
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,640
Like a slot? 
OK, All right, maybe I'm maybe 

709
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:52,720
I'm not being creative. 
Enough. 

710
00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:56,000
We can't every Can't every NFL 
wide receiver basically play in 

711
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,120
the slot if need be? 
Isn't that kind of the secret? 

712
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,640
Yeah, sure. 
But Jaden Reid provides you I 

713
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,400
think that yards after catch 
underneath kind of quick, you 

714
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,640
know, quick twitch, you know, 
middle of the field slot guy, 

715
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,360
right, That those guys really 
aren't that. 

716
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,080
That was my point I guess. 
For sure, yeah. 

717
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,520
On some stuff they can. 
They can bump one of the outside

718
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:17,080
guys in the slot no problem. 
Yeah, I, I mean, I think it's 

719
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,480
just a confusing, like I think 
you can come up with tons of 

720
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,960
different iterations of how this
three wide receiver set looks. 

721
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,520
I think in reality it is just 
going to be like unless one of 

722
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,120
these guys is hurt, I think it's
going to be a true four man 

723
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,120
rotation. 
I think each of these wide 

724
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,720
receivers offers something that 
the other can't do. 

725
00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:37,480
Even Romeo Dobbs, I think he 
gets kind of thrown under the 

726
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,240
bus, but in the play offs last 
year he was clearly their best 

727
00:36:41,240 --> 00:36:44,520
wide receiver in those games. 
He plays on the outside much 

728
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,080
more than these other guys. 
So again, his his targets for 

729
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:48,600
route run. 
That type of stuff doesn't look 

730
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,840
as good, but he's also running 
the hardest routes out there 

731
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,560
compared to what Reid and Watson
are doing. 

732
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,760
So again, I I think it's just a 
better in basketball team. 

733
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,960
I would want to spread my 
exposure to the cheaper guys, 

734
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,040
which is Watson dubs and Wicks 
to me. 

735
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:05,720
Are you? 
Taking much dubs. 

736
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:11,840
Yeah, not a ton, but once I take
Jordan Love, he's a priority for

737
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,600
me. 
I find it hard to take Jordan 

738
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,200
Love 'cause he's always like 
kind of next to Kyler. 

739
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:18,000
I don't. 
Take a love I. 

740
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,360
Would just rather take Kyler. 
But when I take him, I think 

741
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,320
it's fun. 
It's a very fun build but it's 

742
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,560
like kind of hard for me to get 
to him as much as I would like. 

743
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,800
Yeah. 
Yeah, I mean, I could be putting

744
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,880
too much weight into his playoff
performance last year, but that 

745
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,760
Cowboys game, in the first half 
of the 49ers game before he 

746
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,320
completely collapsed down the 
stretch, Jordan Love looked 

747
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,400
like. 
Here's here's here's the deal is

748
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:47,160
all the ball knowers like say 
the Jordan love stuff is real. 

749
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,040
Like it's it's like the you 
know, obviously a comparison 

750
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,520
would be the fulls run to the 
Super Bowl where everyone kind 

751
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,440
of realized it wasn't real. 
But at like all like ball 

752
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,680
knowers stat people, everyone is
kind of like, yeah, Jordan love 

753
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,320
is it's it's this is legitimate.
This is real stuff to build on. 

754
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,640
Yeah, and it's like the the 
ceiling projection of a of a 

755
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,800
stack because all these wide 
receivers are fairly cheap. 

756
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,320
Like if it I don't know which 
one of these guys is gonna be 

757
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,760
the Best Buy weeks 15 to 17. 
But I have a feeling like the 

758
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,480
ceiling projection of the love 
Wicks or love Watson stack at 

759
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,560
cost is gonna be like really 
powerful in the playoffs 

760
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,960
compared to what you have to pay
for, say CJ Stroud and Nico 

761
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,360
Collins, right. 
Like it's a huge discount to 

762
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,440
that. 
And I think it could offer a 

763
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,560
similar. 
You would be on my counter on on

764
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,720
the love stuff, would I? 
Didn't hear a lot of, you know, 

765
00:38:35,720 --> 00:38:39,840
early on in the season went 
like, oh, this is real, right? 

766
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,480
Remember he was kind of running 
really hot. 

767
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:46,640
His CPOE was terrible and then 
in the middle of the season he 

768
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,240
kind of fell back down to earth 
a little bit. 

769
00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:50,960
I didn't hear a lot of like, 
don't worry, this guy's this 

770
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,520
guy's really flashing. 
He he's going to be fine. 

771
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,840
It's basically like he he was 
amazing and he looked amazing 

772
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,440
while producing amazing down the
stretch and into the playoffs 

773
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,080
that all lines up. 
But there's a body of evidence 

774
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,200
from earlier in the season that 
was like, not all that 

775
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,520
impressive. 
And I think he might just be 

776
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:15,240
kind of a streaky, you know, 
willing to take chances, high 

777
00:39:15,240 --> 00:39:18,040
upside in any given situation 
quarterback, which is pretty fun

778
00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:20,280
for bestball. 
But doesn't that kind of remind 

779
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:21,680
you a little bit of Trevor 
Lawrence? 

780
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:26,040
And we're now we're taking 
Trevor Lawrence way after him 

781
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,200
with a potentially much more 
concentrated offense. 

782
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,400
So if you wanna go, you know, if
you wanna bet on this. 

783
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,760
I I do take a lot of Trevor 
Lawrence. 

784
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,120
Yeah, I'm taking a lot of Trevor
Lawrence. 

785
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,360
Yeah, 'cause this. 
Is if you can't tell, I have a 

786
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,440
lot of Trevor. 
Lawrence well, because, and it's

787
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,360
so easy to backstop because you 
it's like, oh shit, I don't have

788
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:43,600
a court. 
I don't have a stack set up. 

789
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,480
Let me take Brian Thomas, Junior
or Ingram, and then I'll take 

790
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,240
Lawrence and then I can bail 
myself. 

791
00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:49,720
Out. 
Yeah, you can. 

792
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,200
Yeah. 
Kirk Ingram and Brian Thomas. 

793
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:54,680
I don't take a ton of Gabe 
Davis. 

794
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,120
I think he's mostly going to 
just kind of help keep safeties 

795
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,920
a little deeper. 
Now I think you want to be in 

796
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:06,720
true Jaccard tree SIM score. 
You want to be mixing him in 

797
00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:08,080
with Trevor Lawrence because you
don't. 

798
00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:11,120
You don't want to be. 
Dude, I drafted 22% Trevor 

799
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,400
Lawrence and I got him out of 
week 17 and Gabe Davis had three

800
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,320
targets, 3 touchdowns like you. 
That's a good point. 

801
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,680
You, you do not want to live 
that reality. 

802
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:20,920
I don't. 
I don't. 

803
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,240
And it and I saw it when you 
said it, I saw it. 

804
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,120
Yeah, so it's a. 
That's a good point, and we all 

805
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,600
know it. 
But his path to killing you is 

806
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,480
also pretty evident. 
Yeah, yeah. 

807
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:36,160
Yeah, yeah. 
I mean, if you I'm with you, 

808
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,080
like if you compare any team to 
the Jaguars, it might be doesn't

809
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,120
look as good because I'm also 
all in on the Jaguars. 

810
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,520
But yeah, it just, it's, it 
seems to me like, I guess the 

811
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:48,000
counter to your counter, Pat, is
that you could, if you're being 

812
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,040
generous, like effectively 
interpret Jordan Love's season 

813
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:52,720
last year, like as his rookie 
year. 

814
00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:55,360
The first time he got a chance 
to play with all the starters in

815
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,000
the preseason. 
The first time he was the guy 

816
00:40:58,240 --> 00:41:00,400
and he had a bit of a slow 
start. 

817
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,600
But honestly, like people are 
saying he was terrible to start 

818
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:04,760
the season. 
Like I think, yeah. 

819
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,880
He was good. 
The Yeah, it was just that the, 

820
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,160
some of the underlying metrics 
were really bad. 

821
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,240
Sure. 
And so it was like, this isn't 

822
00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:14,200
going to last. 
And then it didn't last. 

823
00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:17,840
And then I think kind of 
obviously in retrospect, we all 

824
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,960
got, you know, carried away with
that confirmation bias of, see, 

825
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,160
this guy sucks. 
He he consecutive weeks they 

826
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,880
lost to the Raiders, the Broncos
and the Vikings and people were 

827
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,560
like it's jover. 
It's jover for it's like lol 

828
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:35,720
Packers bro should have kept he.
Told this is coming this is yeah

829
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,240
this he was running hot. 
Everyone knew it and that this 

830
00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:41,120
is the real love and he sucks, 
which obviously, and it's 

831
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,600
probably the most wrong of all 
of these stuff of windows that 

832
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,600
we were in. 
But I don't know, I just I'm 

833
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:52,160
like, I don't I don't want to 
throw out everything that 

834
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,240
happened before the end of last 
season entirely. 

835
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,720
And I guess we're not, but it's,
I feel like every day we get a 

836
00:41:57,720 --> 00:42:00,800
little closer to doing that. 
Yeah. 

837
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,960
Really, really wanted to say 
that's fair there, but I didn't.

838
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:08,480
Let's move on to it's. 
All that's better or worse. 

839
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:11,840
Let's move on to talking about 
the Texans. 

840
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,560
Both Tank Dell and Nico Collins 
are up. 

841
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,640
Not a ton by raw ADP, but pretty
big as a percentage. 

842
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,920
Tank Dell's moved close to that 
3-4 turn now going at pick 39. 

843
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,960
Nico's sneaking farther up into 
the first or sorry into the 

844
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:32,720
second round going at pick 21. 
Davis, what are what are your 

845
00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:36,120
Texans takes your tank Dell your
Nico, your Stefon Deggs. 

846
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:36,880
How are you? 
How are you treating? 

847
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,320
These guys, I'm not that into 
taking these guys. 

848
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:44,000
I know they're fine, but I just 
like how can I justify taking 

849
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:48,840
quarterback 6 CJ Stroud I I 
truthfully really can't like I 

850
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:53,040
just I prefer Mahomes. 
I prefer Richardson like roster 

851
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,920
like construction wise, Mahomes 
and Lamar are just way better to

852
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:58,760
me. 
I prefer elite tight end to 

853
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:02,640
elite quarterback. 
And this is such an UN you you 

854
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:06,960
really have to think about this 
because what happens when you 

855
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:11,320
get like, like with Stroud, 
there is no backdoor wide 

856
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:12,880
receiver to take. 
Like, what do you do? 

857
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,880
No Brown. 
No Brown and CJ Stroud. 

858
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:16,440
Yeah. 
But it's like, what am I? 

859
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,960
I'm winning $1,000,000 with 
Steve Dalton Schultz. 

860
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,040
Probably not. 
I think the market is starting 

861
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,000
to order these guys correctly 
because I do think Diggs is just

862
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,000
not really that good of a pick, 
but it's kind of like a 

863
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,320
heuristic thing where it's like,
so I'm not that in to Stroud. 

864
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,440
So even if my individual 
rankings of Nikko and Tank are 

865
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:38,760
close to the market, which they 
are, what's the point? 

866
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,600
Because if I'm wrong? 
Because if I'm, if I'm wrong 

867
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:45,600
about Stroud and I'm right about
Nikko, then I, we get to the 

868
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:51,040
final and Nikko is how I mean, 
what is the Nikko tank Stroud 

869
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,040
correlation going to be for 
these teams that make the 

870
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:54,400
finals? 
Like it's going to be super 

871
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,080
high. 
Yeah. 

872
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,280
But I think even if you're out 
on Stroud, like Stroud's 

873
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:03,440
expensive and you can use that 
to your advantage where maybe 

874
00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:08,120
Stroud has a great season, Nico 
has a great season, and then 

875
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,680
you've got a different 
quarterback hitting your lineup.

876
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,800
Like there's enough quarterback 
upside later where you can you 

877
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:18,120
know, like a Jayden Daniels, 
sure you know, Hertz is 

878
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,840
sometimes fall into late forth 
you you can get him kind of back

879
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:22,120
you're. 
Totally right. 

880
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:28,760
I guess my question to you both 
would be what, what is your math

881
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:34,520
based feeling about having these
guys naked versus with Stroud 

882
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:39,120
like in in the week that matters
like what do you prefer and if 

883
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:42,440
you're not that in, if you're 
not that portfolio aligned with 

884
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,560
Stroud, what does it make sense 
to do with those guys? 

885
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:50,200
So I think I, I, I'm not really 
targeting Stroud 'cause I think 

886
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,640
I agree with you, Davis, that 
he's probably a little 

887
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,440
overpriced. 
But at the same time, I'm 

888
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:59,800
totally fine with having these 
guys naked because Stroud's a 

889
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,520
pocket passer. 
I think you get a ton of the 

890
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:07,080
value when you take, say, Nico 
and Diggs or Nico and yeah, you 

891
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:11,120
can capture a huge percentage 
and then say take, I don't know,

892
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,240
Jaden Daniels later, someone 
like that, right? 

893
00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:16,480
I think you can capture a huge 
percentage of it. 

894
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:20,080
I mean, I mean Stroud like he's 
basically, you know, Kurt 

895
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,880
Cousins to in terms of his 
rushing production, Like he, 

896
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,080
even though he is a good 
athlete, he offered almost 

897
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,000
nothing through the ground last 
year. 

898
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,920
So I think it's a totally viable
strategy to have one of these 

899
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:34,080
guys and not have have Stroud. 
So I'm not too worried about the

900
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,480
Stroud part of it. 
And I will I will still 

901
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,200
occasionally take Stroud just 
for the stack. 

902
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,640
Like, I kind of think it's like 
Joe Burrow and past seasons 

903
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:45,240
where it's like, yeah. 
That's that's exactly what it is

904
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,400
to me. 
And I never really took Burrow 

905
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,440
because you also couldn't 
backdoor him there. 

906
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,040
There was not. 
There was never a a a guy to 

907
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:53,840
take after. 
Yeah. 

908
00:45:55,080 --> 00:46:00,600
Yeah, but so you're, if you're 
taking Nico, right, you're 

909
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,560
sending some, first of all, 
you're sending someone else up 

910
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:04,960
potentially to have naked 
Stroud, right. 

911
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,720
The worst thing you can do in 
all of this is have naked 

912
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:13,440
Stroud. 
Stroud, Bateman, likely Schultz,

913
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:20,400
Noah Brown $1.5 million that. 
That what what do you win when 

914
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:24,040
you win like 25th place in BBM 
five what will you win? 

915
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,120
That's a bunch of Stroud stacks 
ahead of. 

916
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,960
You, you, you, you just, you 
show up, you're so excited to go

917
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,440
through and check all your 
advancing teams and you find 

918
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,720
your, your CJ Stroud, Dalton 
Schultz, Noah Brown team and 

919
00:46:35,720 --> 00:46:40,960
you're like, God damn it. 
He's so pissed. 

920
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:45,320
That's the team that got through
and it's like Nico and Diggs are

921
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,200
all like like go, they're going 
nuts. 

922
00:46:49,240 --> 00:46:52,320
You're like if he throws 4 
touchdowns to Schultz online 

923
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,040
like. 
It's like, I really need this to

924
00:46:55,040 --> 00:47:01,720
be a big Jawar Jordan game then.
Yeah, so don't. 

925
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:03,880
That's not what I want. 
But because that's not 

926
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,160
appealing, Stroud sometimes 
falls to the 6th. 

927
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,720
So, you know, you can get, it 
does it's easier to get Stroud 

928
00:47:09,720 --> 00:47:11,520
in the 6th of you off Dell, 
Right? 

929
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,840
He doesn't tend to come all the 
way back so often, but he 

930
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,440
sometimes will. 
And the more likely thing is 

931
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,480
that you can get Lamar. 
This morning with Pete. 

932
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,000
We got Lamar in the 5th. 
We went. 

933
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,000
Yeah, that's so I don't even 
think we had Nico. 

934
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,560
We had Debo, but then we got 
Andrews in the 4th and then 

935
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:30,920
Lamar in the 5th. 
But if that's like Nico Andrews 

936
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,880
Debo, that's sick and that's 
available. 

937
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:36,560
Yeah. 
And even with Lamar, like 

938
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,320
obviously you want Andrews or 
Flowers if you if you have Lamar

939
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:43,600
there, but Lamar unstacked or 
maybe a light stack with likely 

940
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:47,480
or someone late just because of 
how Lamar runs and scores, you 

941
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,320
could easily want the Texans 
pass catchers with Lamar at 

942
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,120
quarterback like that. 
Could be that's true. 

943
00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:55,560
That could be the move. 
So yeah, I like, I like that a 

944
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,200
lot. 
And someone in the chat said 

945
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,960
here I will chiming on this 
point like Stroud falls locked 

946
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,600
the 60s and 70s that happens 
with quarterbacks, right? 

947
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,600
Like if you take a couple of 
these pass catchers, push Stroud

948
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,120
maybe around. 
All the time Purdy. 

949
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,960
You'll just see Purdy 20 spots 
after ADP and you're like why 

950
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,280
would I even click this? 
Because what am I, what? 

951
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,280
What am I hoping for? 
What's the point? 

952
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,120
By the way, Chipsy Lark points 
out that that Stroud, Schultz, 

953
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,840
Noah Brown won you to Millie. 
Maybe. 

954
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:30,000
Well, Nico. 
Nico was out and Stefan Diggs 

955
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,120
was not on the team. 
So those Noah Brown games last 

956
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,080
year back-to-back just that 
that's when I decided I was all 

957
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,920
in on the Texans when CJ Stroud 
carried Noah Brown to 

958
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:42,080
back-to-back 150 plus yard 
performances. 

959
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,840
I mean. 
Noah Brown had not had. 

960
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,600
He did not have 100 yard game at
Ohio State. 

961
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,160
He hadn't had. 
He hadn't had one. 

962
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:51,600
He hadn't had one since. 
High school? 

963
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:53,560
No way. 
Are you kidding? 

964
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,880
I, I, I'm don't, don't fat, 
don't fat. 

965
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,320
No, I really, I really don't 
think I made that up. 

966
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,280
I really don't. 
I need to know. 

967
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,960
I need to know if that's real 
'cause if it's real, it's the 

968
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:11,480
best stat ever. 
Noah Brown I didn't make it up. 

969
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:12,840
Yeah. 
Zero 100 yard game. 

970
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,480
Had had not had 100 yard game 
since high school. 

971
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:17,840
Didn't have one on the Cowboys 
either. 

972
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,720
Probably. 
Maybe one, Maybe one. 

973
00:49:20,720 --> 00:49:23,000
Why are you trying to make me 
Fact Check this? 

974
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:29,160
But for the Cowboys? 
I mean, maybe he had one. 

975
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:31,560
Maybe one, but whatever. 
It doesn't. 

976
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,360
No, no, no. 
Officially 100% confirmed had 

977
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,040
not had OH. 
My. 

978
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,480
God 100 yards since high. 
School dude, you guys aren't 

979
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:43,160
taking Stroud. 
This dude hadn't had a 100 yard 

980
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,200
game since high school until CJ 
Stroud stepped on the field. 

981
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,880
Well, I remember, I remember 
looking that up at some point 

982
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,720
last year and being like, no, 
Noel Brown was on the Cowboys. 

983
00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:55,320
I Noel Brown's been on the 
Cowboys since 2017 and this 

984
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,480
dude's just going nuts. 
Do you know, do you guys know 

985
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,200
another wide receiver that 
hasn't had 100 yard game since 

986
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,000
they played with CJ Stroud? 
Jackson, Smith and Jigba. 

987
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,880
Jackson Smith and Jigba hasn't 
had 100 yard game since he 

988
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,360
played with CJ. 
Stroud people are people are 

989
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:09,920
just. 
Saying. 

990
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,880
I thought I thought you would. 
I thought you had reverse course

991
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:14,520
though. 
I thought you were now a JSN. 

992
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:16,440
It was all the wrist injury 
bowl. 

993
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,120
Yeah, I'm still trying to figure
out if that's a bit or not. 

994
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,200
Don't want to talk about it on 
the show but. 

995
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:23,160
I'm glad to. 
I'm glad to know you don't even 

996
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:24,920
know. 
Yeah, I'm not really sure on 

997
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,920
that one. 
I, I, I'm torn on JSNI mean, 

998
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:29,360
yeah, let's not talk about it 
now. 

999
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:30,720
Let's just. 
Say, hang on. 

1000
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,080
Credit to Davis here. 
For who else? 

1001
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:35,920
Who else? 
Just out of the balloons because

1002
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,000
he hadn't had 100 yard game 
since high school. 

1003
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:39,600
Is that right? 
I don't know. 

1004
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:41,320
Let's check. 
And it is. 

1005
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:44,160
That's amazing. 
It's true. 

1006
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:45,600
We all wouldn't have said it. 
We all wouldn't. 

1007
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:47,680
Have said it and then we would 
have been robbed of that 

1008
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,520
knowledge. 
Yeah, so here's the deal. 

1009
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,720
I think both of these guys are 
really good picks because I 

1010
00:50:53,720 --> 00:50:58,080
couldn't be more out on Stefan 
Diggs is going to hate his life 

1011
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,400
by like week five. 
He's going to be like, they're 

1012
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,680
not throwing me the ball enough.
You know, it's just like, can't 

1013
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,840
you just see in your crystal 
ball how this goes so poorly? 

1014
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,960
So I the I think the big debate 
with Diggs is in your doesn't 

1015
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,880
want to play football by week 5 
leagues, do you take Watson or 

1016
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:19,840
Diggs first? 
Watson, Watson still also maybe 

1017
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:23,080
just take, maybe take me in that
league if Derrick Henry does it 

1018
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,600
again, if Derrick Henry by Week 
5, Derrick Henry has six 

1019
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,280
touchdowns, probably take me in 
that league because I'm not 

1020
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:30,040
going to want to be. 
Around. 

1021
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:31,480
You're a sleeper. 
You're a sleeper. 

1022
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:38,400
Yeah, the, the digs thing, I'm, 
I'm mixing him in. 

1023
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,080
I think I'll be underweight him,
or at least that's my target. 

1024
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:45,200
I just, I, I don't know, I, I 
can see how this is how it goes,

1025
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,600
right for digs, right. 
Tanked Al and Nico Gollins last 

1026
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:51,280
year, like exclusively outside 
players. 

1027
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,000
So they line up Nico and tank on
the outside. 

1028
00:51:54,240 --> 00:51:57,120
They have Stefan Diggs in the 
slot in three wide receiver sets

1029
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:01,720
and Tank and Nico just draw so 
much coverage that Stefan Diggs 

1030
00:52:01,720 --> 00:52:06,720
is just like APPR like a Keenan 
Allen esque PPR scam that I 

1031
00:52:06,720 --> 00:52:09,280
think that's how Stefan Diggs 
breaks out. 

1032
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,680
I think he's lost like you look 
at the charting stuff for him, 

1033
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:15,240
he's lost a bit of the deep 
speed, the big playability. 

1034
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:19,560
I do think he's still like a 
sophisticated wide receiver that

1035
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:23,240
can get open against zone and 
just, you know, if the offense 

1036
00:52:23,240 --> 00:52:25,640
lines up this way, the defenses 
take away the deep ball. 

1037
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,640
It could be Stefan Diggs PPR 
scam season. 

1038
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:31,360
And then I think in two wide 
receiver sets because of tank 

1039
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,920
Dell's blocking, they're 
probably gonna have digs on the 

1040
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:35,720
field for two wide receiver sets
too. 

1041
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,280
So that that I think that's how 
it works out for digs. 

1042
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,960
It's just touchdowns. 
He's in there near the red zone 

1043
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:44,480
and he's appr scam 'cause he 
gets the easiest coverage in the

1044
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,600
slot. 
So that's why I don't want to 

1045
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,520
full fade him like I, I don't 
know, just full fading a Texans 

1046
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,600
wide receiver. 
I don't have the the the balls 

1047
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:55,240
to do it I guess. 
No, I don't. 

1048
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,760
Mind it, it's fine. 
It's fine, yeah. 

1049
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:01,240
What what is what's he really 
going to do? 

1050
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:03,880
Like you, you want to lose like 
a PPR scam. 

1051
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:05,680
Can't even really kill you on 
underdog. 

1052
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,600
Guys, we just talked about how 
CJ Straub facilitated Noah 

1053
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,520
Brown. 
Yeah, but Noah Brown was running

1054
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,240
routes. 
No, no, Brown was running routes

1055
00:53:14,240 --> 00:53:17,400
down the field digs. 
Digs will run routes down the 

1056
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,560
field. 
Digs can still break a player, 

1057
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:21,360
too. 
He will run routes down the 

1058
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,680
field. 
I I don't like digs. 

1059
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,440
You know what a man, a man just 
has to believe in something and 

1060
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:31,040
I believe that I like Nico and 
tank more and I like DJ more 

1061
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,840
more than dig. 
So that and and well, you're 

1062
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,760
going to get and I like, I like 
a chain and Kyron Moore too, so.

1063
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:40,520
Yeah, that's fair enough, you 
know. 

1064
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:45,680
Yeah, that seems fair. 
Let's move on to talking about 

1065
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:50,240
Jameson Williams and Rashad 
Bateman for some. 

1066
00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:52,520
Reason The heart of the show, 
this. 

1067
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,440
Is. 
I have David Skip on this. 

1068
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,160
We need we just make sure we get
the full. 

1069
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:59,000
Yeah, you guys got to, I, I got 
to leave. 

1070
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:00,280
I got to leave in like 4 
minutes. 

1071
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:03,680
But let let me just say this, I 
took Rashad Bateman in the 

1072
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:07,480
fourth round or in the 14th 
round of a draft today because 

1073
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:10,880
Lamar and it's just, it's, it's 
truly the most like, what am I 

1074
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,440
even doing here? 
Exercise like how this doesn't 

1075
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,440
even help me. 
Like what, what am I really 

1076
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,480
hoping for from Rashad? 
I should have just skipped him. 

1077
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:20,920
I should I should have just let 
it be. 

1078
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:22,600
And and the Jameson Williams 
pick. 

1079
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:26,280
I mean, I got I got this great. 
I got this great stat that I 

1080
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,600
pulled today. 
First round NFL draft pick wide 

1081
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:34,000
receivers 1st 20 games, less 
than 500 receiving yards. 

1082
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:40,360
Santana Moss, who did rip off a 
great he had multiple top ten 

1083
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:43,360
wide receiver seasons and then 
two additional top 20 Four 

1084
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:47,600
Seasons. 
Jameson Williams, John Ross Zero

1085
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:51,160
top 20 Four Seasons Quentin 
Johnston Obviously he's not 

1086
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:54,520
gotten to 20 games yet, but I. 
Think he might count him out? 

1087
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:56,160
Just count. 
Him I, I think he's not going to

1088
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:59,200
get there. 
Charles Rodgers, zero top 20 

1089
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:02,160
Four Seasons. 
Craig Davis, zero top 20 Four 

1090
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:05,040
Seasons. 
Kevin White, Remember Kevin 

1091
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:09,960
White, zero top 24 wide receiver
seasons and Troy Edwards, zero 

1092
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:14,240
top 24 wide receiver seasons. 
It's not a list you want to be 

1093
00:55:14,240 --> 00:55:16,360
on. 
I mean, two of those names were 

1094
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,160
straight up made-up. 
Craig Davis and never. 

1095
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:22,120
Never even. 
I I ran the filter back to 2000,

1096
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:26,760
I had never encountered Craig 
Davis in in a Pro Football 

1097
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:28,600
Reference. 
There's if you go back, because 

1098
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:30,480
I've done some stuff where you 
go back and look at some of 

1099
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,520
these early 2000s receivers. 
I don't remember. 

1100
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,320
There are these guys who like 
and Craig Davis might be one of 

1101
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:36,880
them. 
They'll be like came out of like

1102
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:42,840
LSU the first round pick like 
disappeared immediately and then

1103
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,320
like never it's. 
Like never he like never played.

1104
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:49,200
He he had 300 yards as a rookie 
and then like 350 yards of 

1105
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,000
sophomore and then he was off 
the team and you're like, what 

1106
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,320
happened? 
What like what is the story? 

1107
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,720
This doesn't hap like, but I I 
don't know, maybe maybe people 

1108
00:55:56,720 --> 00:55:58,560
know. 
And that's, I'm not saying that 

1109
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:00,720
was Craig Davis specifically, 
but there's all these guys. 

1110
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:01,760
Yeah. 
Who? 

1111
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:03,360
You're like what? 
Who was this dude? 

1112
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:07,400
He was a first round pick. 
That's gonna be Sky Moore in 

1113
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,400
like 10 years. 
Yeah, that'll be Sky Moore. 

1114
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:10,600
Yeah. 
Sky Moore's gonna get our. 

1115
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:12,680
Kids will be talking. 
Who was the Sky Moore guy? 

1116
00:56:13,240 --> 00:56:17,000
Never heard of them. 
Maybe we'll save the meat of 

1117
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:18,640
this debate. 
Davis, are you gonna leave now? 

1118
00:56:18,720 --> 00:56:20,000
The the. 
I'm gonna, I'm gonna leave. 

1119
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:22,280
I'm gonna leave and I'm gonna be
back in like 13 minutes. 

1120
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:25,840
Yeah, OK. 
We'll hit on some some fallers 

1121
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:30,320
here before we get to Bateman 
and JMO, starting with Kyron 

1122
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,560
Williams. 
He's by far the biggest mover in

1123
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:35,800
terms of percentage of ADP since
we last talked. 

1124
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:42,680
He's down nearly 25% five spots 
to now the early third round at 

1125
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:47,040
pick 26. 
This is obviously due to a foot 

1126
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,840
injury which is keeping him out 
of OTAs. 

1127
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:53,120
He's gonna be ready for training
camp according to the coaches, 

1128
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,320
which I, I believe is true. 
I I think that reporting is, is 

1129
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,280
probably accurate. 
Start with you, Pat. 

1130
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,920
Have you been ranking Kyron? 
Did you did you guys update him 

1131
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:07,440
in the rankings once the news 
about his foot broke or how have

1132
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,560
you been treating this? 
We didn't really update him, 

1133
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:14,720
thought he should kind of been 
here or even a little lower than

1134
00:57:14,720 --> 00:57:19,720
this the whole time. 
And so I don't know, I'm 

1135
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:21,520
actually willing to take him in 
the late 3rd. 

1136
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:24,320
This doesn't seem particularly 
concerning sometimes like the 

1137
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:28,880
market feels like it needs 
additional negative like 

1138
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:33,000
information that reminds them of
the information they should have

1139
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,760
already cared about and weren't.
And this feels like that to me. 

1140
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:39,520
Like this foot is probably a non
issue, but I think I think 

1141
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:43,200
people are waking up to like, oh
right, like this. 

1142
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:47,880
Not particularly explosive back 
who gets used on passing downs 

1143
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,880
but doesn't get thrown to a lot 
and is really pretty dependent 

1144
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:56,040
on locking down the touches to 
be worth a, you know, second 

1145
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:59,440
round pick might not get all the
touches because they drafted 

1146
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,560
Blake Coram and they keep 
talking about how they like 

1147
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,480
Blake Coram. 
And this foot injury is a 

1148
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:08,120
reminder that running backs are 
fragile and and you know, 

1149
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,440
especially role based running 
backs are, are pretty fragile 

1150
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:12,400
bets. 
So that's how it feels to me. 

1151
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:17,280
I don't think the foot injury, 
if you thought he was kind of a,

1152
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:21,480
a late third round type of value
this whole time, I don't think 

1153
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:25,760
the injury should push you to 
now thinking he's like a fourth 

1154
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:29,680
round value necessarily. 
But yeah, I I'm happy. 

1155
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:31,360
I'm kind of happy to see the 
market price this in a little 

1156
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:35,040
bit more 'cause I'm getting him 
some now in like the back into 

1157
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:38,000
the third. 
Yeah, I don't think I've drafted

1158
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:39,640
him yet. 
I I don't think I've had a 

1159
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:43,000
chance to take him in the 30s at
all in rooms I've been in. 

1160
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:46,440
But that to me seems about the 
right price for him. 

1161
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,880
I don't know, 3-4 turn, 
something along those lines. 

1162
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,600
Yeah, I think you made the case 
pretty well. 

1163
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:56,320
I think he's he's a really good 
running back. 

1164
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:59,120
Like I think we do have to give 
him credit for how efficient he 

1165
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:00,720
was last year. 
You look at the rush yards over 

1166
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,080
expected stuff. 
He's really good in that he's 

1167
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:05,840
clearly a competent receiver and
pass blocker. 

1168
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:07,560
They they trust him on a lot of 
those downs. 

1169
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:10,160
But the end of the day, he like,
like you said, he's just not 

1170
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:12,960
that explosive. 
You know, smaller sample. 

1171
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:16,320
We've only seen one season of 
him, but out of 50 running backs

1172
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:19,760
with at least 100 carries last 
year, he was ranked 30th in 

1173
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,840
breakaway percentage. 
You know, around guys like Josh 

1174
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:26,320
Kelly, Zach Charbonnet, Justice 
Hill, and you look at his 

1175
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:28,640
athletic testing and that lines 
up with that, right? 

1176
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:32,720
Like he's not a guy we should 
expect to have the Devon a chain

1177
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:35,520
60 yard touchdown run. 
Obviously it's it's not 

1178
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,720
impossible for him to do that, 
but I would think that's going 

1179
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:40,920
to be much less likely for him 
over the course of his career. 

1180
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:42,840
So. 
And he wasn't athletic, right? 

1181
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:44,560
So you get to The Who is this 
guy? 

1182
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:48,680
He was very, very poor and Ras 
and stuff like he's not, he's 

1183
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:50,600
not an explosive breakaway 
player. 

1184
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:53,720
Like we we know that about him. 
That's OK because he's kind of 

1185
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:55,080
do. 
He was doing sort of the Josh 

1186
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:59,040
Jacobs like gets every touch and
frankly was playing better than 

1187
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:02,360
probably Jacobs ever has, or at 
least as well as he had, you 

1188
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:03,240
know, in his breakouts. 
Yeah. 

1189
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:04,760
Maybe in 2022. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1190
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:06,880
Yeah. 
So he's like Pete Jacobs, which 

1191
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:11,120
is, I mean, Pete Jacobs in a 
stable situation is I think 

1192
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:12,400
worth probably a second round 
pick. 

1193
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:13,720
But the situation got less 
stable. 

1194
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:15,440
So now is what is Pete Jacobs 
worth? 

1195
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:18,480
Is he worth a third round pick? 
Do we know we're getting Pete 

1196
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:21,040
Jacobs? 
Not 100%, but I'm willing to. 

1197
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:22,440
I'm willing to chance it in the 
late 3rd. 

1198
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:26,320
Yeah, I think I think that is 
about the right price. 

1199
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:30,040
And the other thing for me is 
like he now enters this range 

1200
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:35,040
right where you look at running 
back eight to running back 13. 

1201
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:39,920
So Kyron, Derrick Henry, Etienne
Jacobs, Pacheco and James Cook 

1202
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:43,320
and what all these running backs
have in common is there on 

1203
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:46,800
offenses that are projected to 
be probably top ten in the NFL 

1204
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:49,640
and scoring maybe Jacksonville's
more like top 12, not top ten, 

1205
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:52,840
but right, Ravens, Packers, 
Chiefs, Bills. 

1206
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:57,680
Like I can make bets on these 
guys just purely based on 

1207
01:00:57,760 --> 01:00:59,560
touchdowns, right? 
Like these are really high 

1208
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:02,520
scoring teams, you know, these 
are guys that are projected to 

1209
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:05,880
get a lot of goal line work. 
And I do think the Rams are on 

1210
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:08,240
the more fragile end of the 
spectrum. 

1211
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:10,720
Like if I was going to say one 
of these teams is is going to 

1212
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:14,040
collapse this year, it's much 
more likely to be the Rams than 

1213
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:17,880
the Chiefs, Packers, Bills, in 
my opinion, just because age of 

1214
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:21,760
the quarterback, you know, how 
dependent the Rams are on a few 

1215
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:24,560
players, whereas the rest of 
those teams, I think are more 

1216
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:28,480
robust, stable environment. 
So that's where I'm kind of just

1217
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:32,240
I'm I'm passing on Kyron and and
taking my running back stabs. 

1218
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:35,720
More with these later guys in 
the low end RB1. 

1219
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:38,360
Range are you, so if you're, are
you passing on Kyron, like kind 

1220
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:40,880
of where he can fall to in these
drafts, 'cause I'm taking like 

1221
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:44,720
let's say I have DJ more versus 
Kyron, I'm taking DJ more, but 

1222
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:48,320
you get to the later range of 
the third, like are you taking 

1223
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:53,760
him over Devante Smith? 
So I haven't been presented with

1224
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:58,160
that choice. 
I I I probably would still take 

1225
01:01:58,240 --> 01:01:59,880
Smith there. 
OK. 

1226
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:02,960
And then I assume like Metcalf 
cup the. 

1227
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:05,400
The line would probably be 
Pitman for me. 

1228
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:07,920
I think I would take Metcalf 
over him and then if he was 

1229
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:11,440
there for me at 32, I would take
I I. 

1230
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:13,720
So the reason I'm hedging on 
this question is 'cause I don't 

1231
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:16,560
know if he can. 
If he continues to fall, then I 

1232
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:19,160
don't feel like I need to grab 
him there. 

1233
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:23,520
But if if he stays at like 2425,
then definitely I want to like 

1234
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:26,320
take him when he falls 5 or 6 
picks past the ADP. 

1235
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:29,080
But yeah, I guess that's a 
question for you. 

1236
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:33,040
Do you think like, do you think 
this fall is kind of stabilized 

1237
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:35,480
or is there more of a slide 
coming? 

1238
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:38,600
Like if we get the, you know, 
some more Blake Quorum hype 

1239
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:41,320
later in the offseason? 
What do you think about that? 

1240
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:47,400
Yeah, I doubt he settles here. 
I think he'll either fall like a

1241
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:51,720
little more because we do get 
some additional Blake quorum 

1242
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:53,800
stuff or the foot injury 
lingers. 

1243
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:56,720
Sean Mcveigh's not super 
trustworthy. 

1244
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:59,440
I feel like on the running back 
stuff, you know, on the, on the 

1245
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:02,120
injury stuff, like he's like, I 
don't know. 

1246
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:05,120
So it could be worse than than 
we realize. 

1247
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:09,040
So I'm not like saying like if 
you get any discount on Kyron, 

1248
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:10,720
you got to hammer it or anything
like that. 

1249
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:13,160
But I, he, he falls to me in 
like the late 3rd. 

1250
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:15,400
I'm like, OK, let me mix him in 
because I was really sitting him

1251
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:17,800
out. 
I took a lot in the big board 

1252
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:20,240
and basically since I drafted 
Coram, I was, I've been pretty 

1253
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:23,960
out. 
So I, I, I like for me mixing 

1254
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:27,600
him in at a good price, at a 
price that could be the cheapest

1255
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:30,840
we get all year, you know, or 
roughly, you know, if he comes 

1256
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:33,040
back, he's healthy training 
camp, everything looks good. 

1257
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:35,080
They're talking him up. 
He's like, no, no, no, like 

1258
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:37,480
Quorum's, they like quorum a 
lot, but he's the backup. 

1259
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:39,440
I mean, he's going to be a 
second round pick again. 

1260
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,680
So I, I like getting some 
exposure. 

1261
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:45,000
I'm making a bet that maybe this
is the cheapest price when I 

1262
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:48,040
grab him in the the late 3rd. 
I don't know if that bet's going

1263
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:52,320
to hit, but it seems like a 
reasonable enough bet and then I

1264
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:54,880
like and I like him at a third 
round price tag. 

1265
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:57,720
I think that's probably 
reflective of kind of the the 

1266
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:00,240
range of outcomes. 
I think that's smart. 

1267
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:03,760
You, you sold me on taking him 
there at like, you know, 3132. 

1268
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:06,440
I think it would have to be some
terrible news. 

1269
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:08,720
Like the ankle injury is way 
worse than we expect. 

1270
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:11,480
I think even if we get the 
reports like, oh, it's going to 

1271
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:14,440
be more of a committee. 
The thing is when guys have 

1272
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:17,760
these league winning seasons, 
people don't easily forget that.

1273
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:19,800
Like people are going to 
remember how good Kyron Williams

1274
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:23,160
was last year and then also like
the correlation Bros who take 

1275
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:26,480
puka at pick nine, like they're 
not letting Kyron, you know, 

1276
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:28,920
fall past like 36 or whatever. 
You know when. 

1277
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:30,360
They, yeah, they're getting in 
the fourth. 

1278
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:33,960
He's not coming back past puka 
in the 4th or Cup Cup and puka 

1279
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:35,120
in the fourth. 
Like he won't. 

1280
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:36,600
He won't. 
Yeah. 

1281
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:38,480
So I think that's a smart way to
play it. 

1282
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:40,640
I think is your chance. 
That's the cheapest price you 

1283
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:43,040
get. 
And yeah, I wouldn't totally 

1284
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:45,720
rule it out that once the more 
casual drafters come in, if all 

1285
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:48,360
the news is positive and they 
say Quorum is the backup, he 

1286
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:52,400
could be back to pick 1516. 
Like, I wouldn't totally rule 

1287
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:55,480
that out in August. 
So it makes sense to to get some

1288
01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:59,760
of him now. 
Jacobs, we've talked about him a

1289
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:02,800
bunch. 
He's down again, just the 

1290
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:06,240
committee stuff. 
Continue to get quotes from Matt

1291
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:10,200
Lafleur and the Packers about 
how they like Marshawn Lloyd, 

1292
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:13,760
they're committed to using a 
committee, all of that. 

1293
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:21,800
I'm curious if you are OK with 
Jacobs now at at pick 44 or do 

1294
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:25,840
you still think there's too much
sort of dead, dead zone risk 

1295
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:29,600
with him at this at this price? 
I'm OK with it. 

1296
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:35,080
I don't, I don't love it. 
I think we run into this part of

1297
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:40,400
the draft, I kind of run into a 
bunch of like, I don't order the

1298
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:43,080
next group of players very 
similarly to the rest of the 

1299
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:46,440
market. 
Like I would have, I would have 

1300
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:49,400
like if if you said like who's 
the next player that you think 

1301
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:52,360
should be going ahead of Jacobs?
I'd be like probably Christian 

1302
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:56,680
Kirk. 
Kirk goes, you know, like 5 

1303
01:05:56,680 --> 01:06:00,440
picks after Jacobs. 
So, and you can like who like 

1304
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:03,320
who can you get to come around 
the turn more easily? 

1305
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:06,920
Kirk So not that I haven't 
gotten Jacobs in the fifth 

1306
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:11,480
because I have, but it's like, I
don't know, I'm kind of like I'm

1307
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:15,800
willing to scoop Jacobs in like 
the late 4th or the early 5th 

1308
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:20,760
and then or let's say in the 
late 4th and then I'll probably 

1309
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:22,520
get someone. 
I like him in the 5th. 

1310
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:27,200
It's kind of how I'm playing it.
I don't I moved him behind ETN. 

1311
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:34,160
It says the market. 
If the market said OK, what 

1312
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:36,840
who's the next back? 
He's he's going to be behind 

1313
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:40,360
Pacheco. 
OK, I'm fine with it. 

1314
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:44,480
I don't think I would if they 
said he was behind Cook, I'd 

1315
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:46,240
think I'd be OK with it, to be 
honest. 

1316
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:54,560
If they said we're taking behind
Mixon, OK, fine. 

1317
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:57,840
What's the difference? 
So I guess like I don't want to 

1318
01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:02,320
just like be out on Jacobs and 
make like a big 'cause I don't 

1319
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:07,200
think like the the difference of
these prices isn't so critical. 

1320
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:08,800
And it's like if you're take if 
you're willing to take a running

1321
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:11,560
back here, you might as well be 
open, open minded to take Jacobs

1322
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:15,080
here. 
Sometimes we don't know which of

1323
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:17,520
these if even if all these 
profiles are similar, we don't 

1324
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:20,160
know which ones are actually 
going to be good, right? 

1325
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:21,760
Some of these profiles in 
retrospect, are going to look 

1326
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:24,960
like disasters, you know, and 
some are going to be the hits. 

1327
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:27,800
So I think mixing up your bets 
among this running back group is

1328
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:30,080
probably a good thing. 
But I don't think he really 

1329
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:34,440
stands out from like, you know, 
I truly like why should we take 

1330
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:35,880
him over? 
Joe Mixon, What's the? 

1331
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:40,840
Yeah, I don't know. 
I guess he's he's a little bit 

1332
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:43,240
younger. 
He got more commitment from the 

1333
01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:46,080
team by a little bit. 
I'd actually have to to Fact 

1334
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:47,960
Check that because the 
commitment that they came. 

1335
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:51,440
Yeah, they in a weird way, Mixon
got more commitment 'cause he 

1336
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:54,400
didn't even need the new 
contract, but he was under 

1337
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:57,040
contract. 
And they're like, hang on, rip 

1338
01:07:57,040 --> 01:07:59,120
that contract up, Joe we got. 
Another point. 

1339
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:00,920
Here's the thing though, I 
guess. 

1340
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:05,720
Is that, like, in my mind, Joe 
Mixon was in like the perfect 

1341
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:08,640
fantasy environment for four 
years on the Bengals. 

1342
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:11,200
Like he's playing with Joe 
Burrow on the Bengals, a team 

1343
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:12,720
that loves to target the running
backs. 

1344
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:15,160
You know, a really good 
offensive environment overall. 

1345
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:17,880
And he was still just not that 
good. 

1346
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:20,880
At least with Josh Jacobs. 
I can see the argument that this

1347
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:24,960
guy's played with Josh McDaniels
and Jimmy Garoppolo at 

1348
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:29,680
quarterback and Derek Carr like 
these these Raiders teams had 

1349
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:33,080
been really bad. 
And that 2022 season for Jacobs 

1350
01:08:33,319 --> 01:08:36,680
is still way better than 
anything Joe Mixon has done from

1351
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:40,880
a season long standpoint. 
So I I see more ceiling for 

1352
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:42,840
Jacobs. 
Like if he's just the same 

1353
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:46,240
player he was two years ago, but
on the Packers instead of the 

1354
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:50,240
Josh McDaniels Raiders, I could 
actually see that being a huge 

1355
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:53,439
smash. 
And yeah, again, like I'm just 

1356
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:56,479
making a bit of, I'm making a 
bit, I'm making a bit of a bulk 

1357
01:08:56,479 --> 01:09:00,840
case because I think the general
consensus on him is lower. 

1358
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:03,640
He's a guy I'd want to be sort 
of at market with. 

1359
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:05,479
I I don't want to take a huge 
stand on him, but. 

1360
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:08,160
That was a non derogatory. 
That's fair, by the way. 

1361
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:12,080
I think that's actually fair. 
And look, I am I saying why like

1362
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:15,040
Josh Jacobs shouldn't be taken 
because he's worse than mixing? 

1363
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:18,240
No, I would. 
My point is like I just don't. 

1364
01:09:18,359 --> 01:09:21,399
It's hard for me to get like 
super excited about Josh Jacobs 

1365
01:09:21,399 --> 01:09:23,600
as this falling value that we 
must scoop and we must 

1366
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:25,960
prioritize. 
And I'm like, I could get Joe 

1367
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:27,720
Mixon later. 
I can get Aaron Jones later. 

1368
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:30,840
I can get these guys who I feel 
pretty good about. 

1369
01:09:31,359 --> 01:09:32,800
I mean, you can go on and on and
on. 

1370
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:36,880
And I just don't I don't have 
that much interest in in what, 

1371
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:40,960
you know, what Jacobs is 
providing relative to what those

1372
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:43,600
other guys provide. 
Cheaper is really what it comes 

1373
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:46,880
down to, especially because like
mountain floor is like holding 

1374
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:49,920
like lectures on like the 
committee running back approach.

1375
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:51,520
He's like, they're like, what do
you think? 

1376
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:53,279
What are you going to do at 
receiver? 

1377
01:09:53,279 --> 01:09:55,480
He's like, hang on at running 
back. 

1378
01:09:55,480 --> 01:09:58,480
What we're gonna do. 
If you're gonna rotate the guys,

1379
01:09:58,480 --> 01:10:01,080
it's good for their careers. 
Frankly, if they they last 

1380
01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:02,680
longer, I think they're fresher.
This is a team. 

1381
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:04,680
We got playoff aspirations. 
We wanna keep our guys fresh. 

1382
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:06,080
OK? 
That's why we're gonna rotate 

1383
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:07,560
our running backs. 
Is he? 

1384
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:11,200
Just like is he sub tweeting the
GM for signing Josh Jacobs? 

1385
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:13,800
It almost sounds like every 
chance he gets he just wants to 

1386
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:16,960
blast the GM for. 
Well, well, is he doing, is he 

1387
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:19,360
doing that or is he mad they 
took Lloyd? 

1388
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:22,320
No, I think. 
They're happy they took Lloyd. 

1389
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:26,920
He didn't seem that psyched. 
I remember, you know, I remember

1390
01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:28,440
a crane. 
I can't remember if it was you 

1391
01:10:28,440 --> 01:10:31,960
or Barrett who was tweeting out 
the the coach blurb stuff from 

1392
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:33,960
after. 
I didn't do any this year. 

1393
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:35,440
I did. 
It last year, OK, So it was 

1394
01:10:35,440 --> 01:10:36,800
definitely Scott then where he 
was. 

1395
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:40,640
He seemed he seemed weirded out 
that they had took Lloyd. 

1396
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:46,880
But yeah, I mean, what do I miss
the I miss the Kyron chat? 

1397
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:50,040
I just want to say this is a it 
was a bad price before. 

1398
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:52,360
It's a great price now. 
I just want, I want that on the 

1399
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:54,560
record. 
Yeah, yeah, we're, we're taking 

1400
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:56,640
them, we're mixing them into. 
Yeah, yeah, the legendary The 

1401
01:10:56,640 --> 01:11:00,440
legendary downside has been 
outsourced a little bit, and 

1402
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:02,920
Isaiah Pacheco's a better pick 
than all of them, though. 

1403
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:06,960
I like the Pacheco pick. 
The the last thing I'll say on 

1404
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:11,480
Jacobs is I fully believe all 
the coach speak that the Packers

1405
01:11:11,480 --> 01:11:15,720
want to make this a committee. 
The problem is like sometimes 

1406
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:19,800
these third round running backs 
just completely suck and are 

1407
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:22,440
irrelevant instantly. 
Like we saw it with Tank Bigsby 

1408
01:11:22,440 --> 01:11:24,280
last year. 
I think we always have this like

1409
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:27,120
collective amnesia about the 
third run running backs. 

1410
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:29,400
Like you look at the list of the
third round running backs over 

1411
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:32,480
the past 10 years and there's 
obviously some there's some good

1412
01:11:32,480 --> 01:11:35,040
players in there, Alvin Kamara, 
like there's some big hits. 

1413
01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:38,400
There's also a lot of remember, 
remember that guys. 

1414
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:42,200
So again, like the coach can 
want to make it a committee if 

1415
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:45,840
Floyd is doing the Bigsby thing 
or is just, you know, he 

1416
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:47,200
obviously doesn't have to be 
that bad. 

1417
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:50,160
Like that's an extreme, but a 
team can want a committee. 

1418
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:52,960
And then if Jacobs is just like 
competent, not missing his pass 

1419
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:56,480
blocks, like way more successful
in short yardage, they're going 

1420
01:11:56,480 --> 01:11:59,320
to shift more work to him. 
So it's just not this like 

1421
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:02,080
stagnant thing where like if 
they want a committee, it's 

1422
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:03,880
going to happen. 
Like things will evolve over the

1423
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:06,160
season. 
So yeah, just want. 

1424
01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:09,120
To know, can we look at just the
49ers third round running backs 

1425
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:10,360
over the years? 
Yeah. 

1426
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:13,400
Yeah, this is your fun. 
I mean, run backs have been 

1427
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:15,600
pretty dangerous. 
What's? 

1428
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:18,560
Everyone's favorite? 
What's everyone's favorite third

1429
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:19,880
round running back for the 
49ers? 

1430
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:22,280
Me personally, Sermon is the 
funniest. 

1431
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:24,040
Sermon's the goat, I think. 
Sermon. 

1432
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:27,320
'S the goat. 
Well, is is TTP was Joe Williams

1433
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:32,440
though? 
Oh, TDP was like instantly. 

1434
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:35,160
Like at least Trace Urman 
bounced around and like got some

1435
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:37,800
playing time with the like. 
When's the last time you've 

1436
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:40,160
heard Tyrion Davis's Price's 
name? 

1437
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:43,960
Today he thought that it was 
three years ago. 

1438
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:50,240
No, I think OK, so Tyrion 
Davis's Price, Trace Irwin, Joe 

1439
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:51,480
Williams is the fourth round 
pick. 

1440
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:56,480
This is a sixth round pick, so 
I'm cheating Kevin Taylor. 

1441
01:12:57,000 --> 01:13:00,640
Mike Davis was a fourth round 
pick of theirs, the actual Mike 

1442
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:03,280
Davis, who we liked. 
The actual Mike Davis was a 

1443
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:05,320
49er. 
Yeah. 

1444
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:06,600
I don't. 
He's a 49er. 

1445
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:08,600
I really don't even remember 
that. 

1446
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:11,400
They took Marcus Lattimore in 
the fourth round after. 

1447
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:13,320
His I do remember that. 
Devastating the injury. 

1448
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:17,520
And everyone, James and everyone
said that that that that 

1449
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:20,240
particular draft was like the 
49ers. 

1450
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:22,640
The they had had the greatest 
draft of all time 'cause they 

1451
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:26,200
took Lattimore and and Tank 
Carradine, 2 guys who had 

1452
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:30,000
basically suffered career ending
injuries in College, in in the 

1453
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:33,280
same draft. 
Yeah, they also drafted Carlos 

1454
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:36,280
Hyde in the second round, Marcus
Lattimore and then, oh, 

1455
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:38,200
Lemichael James in the second 
round. 

1456
01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:40,000
Oh. 
Wow. 

1457
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:42,560
And then this is so there's a 
reason I I knew I did this. 

1458
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:44,520
I couldn't. 
I couldn't remember Kendall 

1459
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:46,200
Hunter. 
Oh my God. 

1460
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:52,320
Kendall Hunt, Baylor. 
I think no Oklahoma. 

1461
01:13:52,440 --> 01:13:53,600
State. 
That was Kendall Wright. 

1462
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:56,720
That was Kendall Wright. 
Oklahoma State, This is the 

1463
01:13:56,720 --> 01:14:01,760
Marshawn Lloyd to me. 
Kendall Hunter, Just like a kind

1464
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:03,480
of interesting dude. 
Oh, it could be fun. 

1465
01:14:03,480 --> 01:14:06,880
And then it's like, Nope, never.
He was 57199 so he's a little 

1466
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:09,120
smaller. 
But who's the who's the Ray 

1467
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:10,600
Davis? 
Is Ray Davis them? 

1468
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:13,000
Is the is or is there? 
Is there Ray Davis risk? 

1469
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:16,200
Are we feeling the same way? 
We we talked about Trey Sermon, 

1470
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:17,800
right? 
Yeah, OK. 

1471
01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:26,880
Well, not great. 
Let's get back to the the JMO 

1472
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:28,760
Bateman debate. 
Unless people have more third 

1473
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:30,200
round running backs they want to
talk about. 

1474
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:32,680
Good Hunter was the last one I 
wanted to cover. 

1475
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:34,880
Yeah, so Davis, you started 
this. 

1476
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:36,560
Here's the rant that I wanted to
make. 

1477
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:38,360
So I was looking at Jameson 
Williams. 

1478
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:41,240
I was looking at Rashad Bateman 
kind of digging into their 

1479
01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:46,520
advanced stats and you can just 
so easily make a case that 

1480
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:50,040
Rashad Bateman is better than 
Jameson Williams, or at least 

1481
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:53,080
like the same player. 
This is career yards per out run

1482
01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:55,880
for both these guys. 
Bateman is better than yards per

1483
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:59,840
outrun, better in targets per 
outrun, better in ESPN open 

1484
01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:03,960
score, better in PFF grade. 
I can much more easily see him 

1485
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:07,960
being the third weapon in the 
passing attack for this year 

1486
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:10,880
compared to Jamison Williams. 
They got a Monra Laporta and 

1487
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:13,320
Gibbs there. 
Jamo is is not passing those 

1488
01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:17,640
guys in my opinion. 
Like and then so again, like 

1489
01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:20,520
these aren't very impressive 
numbers and Bateman is barely 

1490
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:23,960
better than Jamison Williams. 
But I'm just like, how many 

1491
01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:27,120
excuses are we making for 
Jamison Williams that he's a 

1492
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:30,680
pick in the 80s? 
Like I get he was injured coming

1493
01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:33,760
to league. 
I get he was suspended for a 

1494
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:37,160
long period of time but like 
what if just tearing your ACL 

1495
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:39,720
and getting suspended for eight 
games is like bad? 

1496
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:42,280
It is, it is. 
I mean, that was the whole case 

1497
01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:44,720
we were making last week and and
it's. 

1498
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:47,360
Bad. 
I think it's, I think it's just 

1499
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:49,640
bad. 
How about how about how about 

1500
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:55,400
this how about this career 100 
yard games Rashad Bateman age 

1501
01:15:55,400 --> 01:16:00,440
22, he had already accomplished 
2 age 23 for Jamison Williams 

1502
01:16:00,440 --> 01:16:05,040
accomplished none zilch 0. 
Bateman has at least on a 

1503
01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:08,960
professional football field, 
demonstrated the ability to have

1504
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:13,360
a multi reception 100 yard, you 
know, explosive performance. 

1505
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:16,360
I mean, how about this Jameson 
Williams has been in the 

1506
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:20,680
National Football League for two
years and has two total games 

1507
01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:24,120
with more than two receptions. 
I mean we are talking about a 

1508
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:30,800
sub sky more level of 
performance like like sky Moore.

1509
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:34,760
Sky Moore has been Jamison 
Williams and Sky Moore are the 

1510
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:37,240
spider man pointing me. 
Not even not even Bateman and 

1511
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:39,040
Jameson. 
Bateman stuff has all been 

1512
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:42,360
injuries. 
Yeah, it's been injuries. 

1513
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:45,960
And they also kind of had the 
like, OK, we're kind of sick of 

1514
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:49,040
it stuff where they they bring 
in OBJ and like they they're 

1515
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:53,600
like, we need, we need reliable 
production out of this receiver.

1516
01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:56,040
We basically don't think he's a 
star anymore. 

1517
01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:57,880
So let's just make sure we have 
that. 

1518
01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:02,360
And now I what I'm feeling like 
with Bateman is the like, OK, 

1519
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:04,200
you know, he can, he can provide
us that. 

1520
01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:08,680
We're basically signing him to 
be the guy we replaced him with.

1521
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:11,920
Like we're we're bringing him in
almost like we brought in OBJ 

1522
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:13,600
last year to to have someone. 
Rely. 

1523
01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:16,600
I just, I need the chat to be 
serious for one second. 

1524
01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:19,920
Just like Jameson, Williams is 
just not that good. 

1525
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:22,640
And if he gets there this year, 
it's like total luck. 

1526
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:26,280
Well, like the Jameson Williams 
stuff, I mean, Sam's point about

1527
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:29,560
it maybe just being bad is dead 
on. 

1528
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:33,800
And like, OK, you know, the 
suspension, remember the 

1529
01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:38,320
suspension was him betting on 
stuff from the Lions facilities,

1530
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:40,360
non football. 
But like when they talk about 

1531
01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:42,560
these guys coming in at like 
5:00 in the morning and like 

1532
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:45,040
leaving at like 8:00 at night, 
it's not 'cause they're grinding

1533
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:47,560
baseball parlays, you know, 
they're supposed to be like 

1534
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:50,240
watching. 
Some of them are, some of them 

1535
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:52,240
are. 
Some of them are, but like 

1536
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:54,400
you're at the team facility. 
What do you you got? 

1537
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:57,480
Like you got the apps open and 
you're, you're, you're hammering

1538
01:17:57,480 --> 01:17:58,600
him. 
That's I don't. 

1539
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:01,840
Know Jamison is is drafting, 
he's drafting eliminator teams 

1540
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:04,000
while they're going over film in
the in the film room. 

1541
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:10,720
Yeah. 
So yeah, man, like people just 

1542
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:13,440
see this is like people just see
speed. 

1543
01:18:13,440 --> 01:18:19,560
They see 40 times and they say 
like upside, but man, like the 

1544
01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:22,960
amount of times Jameson has had 
more than like 5 targets in his 

1545
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:27,680
NFL career has got to be like 
once maybe like maybe twice like

1546
01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:28,240
3. 
Times. 

1547
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:32,800
Yeah, it's just and and one of. 
Them was a six target 0 

1548
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:39,400
reception game. 
He's skewing the stats, man. 

1549
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:41,000
He's cooking him. 
He knew this was coming up. 

1550
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:44,400
I, I think the, I think the 
evidence is, is that Jameson 

1551
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:49,320
Williams is like not a very good
NFL player. 

1552
01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:54,120
And if he does get there this 
year, it will be on a low 

1553
01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:58,760
volume, incredibly high 
efficiency, long touchdown thing

1554
01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:02,560
where it's like he just, he 
just, he scores like 550 plus 

1555
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:05,960
yard touchdowns, which he has 
demonstrated the ability to do 

1556
01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:08,920
at every level. 
Yeah, this is This is why I 

1557
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:11,760
think you can draft him. 
Sometimes if I find myself 

1558
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:16,200
desperately needing a receiver 
there, first of all, I, you 

1559
01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:18,240
know, I think about what I could
have done differently. 

1560
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:20,760
But then I will also take 
Jameson Williams. 

1561
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:26,160
He gives you spike week upside. 
It's pretty difficult to see 

1562
01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:29,840
like him consistently delivering
production as the third guy in 

1563
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:31,480
the Lions. 
Jared Goff's deep threat. 

1564
01:19:31,480 --> 01:19:35,000
Also not particularly citing 
archetype, but like Jared Goff 

1565
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:39,080
has the ability to throw deep. 
He just doesn't very often. 

1566
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:41,960
If Jameson Williams is really 
bringing it this year, he's 

1567
01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:45,320
getting behind the defense. 
You know, this is a defense that

1568
01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:49,080
is they run the ball a lot and 
they pepper the short area of 

1569
01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:52,000
the field of target. 
So like, this will be a defense.

1570
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:54,520
Defenses are going to be asked 
to kind of come up. 

1571
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:58,440
They're going to be fighting an 
urge to come up and stop the 

1572
01:19:58,440 --> 01:20:01,240
Lions from doing what they do 
best, which is all short stuff. 

1573
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:05,600
And so Jameson Williams is going
to be the guy tasked with, you 

1574
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:08,640
know, taking the top off but 
potentially doing that like 

1575
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:12,040
getting behind the defense and 
getting open for long touchdown 

1576
01:20:12,040 --> 01:20:13,120
throws and stuff. 
So. 

1577
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:17,640
That doesn't, it doesn't strike 
me as really all that hard to 

1578
01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:20,640
believe that he does have a 
couple big games this week this 

1579
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:23,240
year. 
And what weeks did they fall in?

1580
01:20:23,240 --> 01:20:26,600
And what did you pay for him? 
And I don't know if you're 

1581
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:30,880
paying, if you're like get him 
in the ninth round and you 

1582
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:34,120
probably get by like almost 
think about him like Hershey 

1583
01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:36,800
rice like you're getting that's 
like suspended guy. 

1584
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:39,000
But here hoping that. 
No, but I, I won't. 

1585
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:40,840
I'm totally unwilling to do 
that. 

1586
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:43,840
Like Raashi, Rice scored more 
fantasy points in like his first

1587
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:46,000
five career games than Jameson 
Williams. 

1588
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:48,120
Has period. 
Well, he's two rounds earlier, 

1589
01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:50,320
even with the suspension and 
Jameson Williams were like, 

1590
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:52,920
he'll basically be the 
equivalent of suspended. 

1591
01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:56,080
He'll be so unproductive for 
half of these games, but maybe 

1592
01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:58,520
the other half. 
Are five I just and also and 

1593
01:20:58,520 --> 01:21:02,280
also like I feel like for guys 
like Jameson Williams, applying,

1594
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:06,400
applying context is like 
actually bad because it just is 

1595
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:08,640
excuses. 
It's just all that it is. 

1596
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:09,760
It's just. 
Coach. 

1597
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:12,640
It's just dude, dude, he was 
suspended. 

1598
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:14,200
Dude, he was coming back from a 
knee injury. 

1599
01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:16,360
You think they traded up and 
took him in the first round for 

1600
01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:17,960
no reason? 
I'm like, yeah, teams do that 

1601
01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:20,080
all the time. 
I just mentioned Kevin White. 

1602
01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:22,520
Like what? 
You know, like there was no 

1603
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:26,960
reason for Kevin White to become
a first And like also, Oh my 

1604
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:29,280
God, he was coming off the tour 
in ACL then like, I don't know, 

1605
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:31,680
I, I, I hope you guys are not 
drafting any Jonathan Brooks. 

1606
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:34,440
Then if, if all we're doing is 
coping for James Williams, I 

1607
01:21:34,440 --> 01:21:36,960
hope your portfolio is bro 
Jonathan Brooks. 

1608
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:39,600
Like, come on, dude. 
I know we can't have it Bolt 

1609
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:43,560
like Bree Saul came back from an
ACL last year and was a league 

1610
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:47,160
winner. 
And I don't know, it's like it's

1611
01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:50,200
just guys can come back from the
ACL now and be really good. 

1612
01:21:50,440 --> 01:21:54,440
And if they come back and are 
bad, like I'm a, I'm a little 

1613
01:21:54,440 --> 01:21:58,040
bit skeptical to like completely
throw out that data now just 

1614
01:21:58,040 --> 01:22:00,200
cause of how many guys have come
back and been good. 

1615
01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:01,320
And it could be two things, 
right? 

1616
01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:04,200
It could be that this knee 
injury was really bad for 

1617
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:06,440
Jameson and he's just not going 
to be the same player he was in 

1618
01:22:06,440 --> 01:22:08,080
college like that that that. 
Probably. 

1619
01:22:08,120 --> 01:22:10,000
That probably is what it was it 
like. 

1620
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:12,040
It probably was just like bad 
luck for him. 

1621
01:22:12,480 --> 01:22:14,480
Yeah, like these injuries are 
not all the same. 

1622
01:22:14,480 --> 01:22:16,880
So I don't know. 
I do want to say Ness had this 

1623
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:18,200
comment. 
The Lions would definitely tell 

1624
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:19,360
us to have confidence in him. 
That's. 

1625
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:21,720
True. 
I totally agree with that. 

1626
01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:25,560
Like I'm I'm not dismissing the 
coach speak stuff and look at 

1627
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:28,800
their offseason like they let 
Josh Reynolds walk, who kind of 

1628
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:31,360
was their alternative to Jameson
Williams last year. 

1629
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:34,320
They didn't bring in anyone. 
I think it's, you know, Khalif 

1630
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:39,080
Raymond and DPJ behind Jamo. 
So I do believe they're going to

1631
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:41,480
give him a bigger role this 
year. 

1632
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:44,200
But again, like, imagine you're 
the. 

1633
01:22:44,440 --> 01:22:46,720
Chiefs had a lot of faith in 
Scott, Morric and Ariasoni. 

1634
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:48,720
Too they. 
They didn't bring anyone in and 

1635
01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:50,600
then he was. 
Straight up undraftable. 

1636
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:52,720
He was undraftable before this 
comment. 

1637
01:22:52,720 --> 01:22:55,000
I don't understand why anyone 
was interested unless you just 

1638
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:56,880
knew the lions were going to 
feel this way somehow. 

1639
01:22:57,120 --> 01:22:59,360
But I just didn't understand. 
I truly did not understand this 

1640
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:02,600
ADP at all. 
The Lions enthusiasm to me is 

1641
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:08,160
like, OK, I will take him if he 
falls like, you know, 8th, 9th, 

1642
01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:12,320
I'll mix him in sometimes 
because you know, he does have 

1643
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:16,000
the single week explosiveness 
and the Lions are very clearly 

1644
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:18,600
interested in him taking us a 
leap this year and he's going to

1645
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:21,200
get a chance to do that. 
He can he can get you out of 

1646
01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:24,800
jail too, because you can take 
you can take Goff. 

1647
01:23:25,440 --> 01:23:27,720
He correlates. 
He correlates with my favorite 

1648
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:32,160
second round pick, Debo. 
You know, I I'm not saying I'm 

1649
01:23:32,160 --> 01:23:34,960
not saying he's like 
unclickable, but the dude, the 

1650
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:37,520
dude stinks. 
And I this guy more into Tony 

1651
01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:41,600
Stunk too and I took them so you
know. 

1652
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:44,400
Just just close your eyes and 
imagine. 

1653
01:23:44,440 --> 01:23:45,880
You're we're all going to lose 
anyway. 

1654
01:23:47,200 --> 01:23:48,880
Yeah. 
And then also at the end of the 

1655
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:51,520
day, like it's fun and taking 
guys like Jameson is fun and 

1656
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:56,320
take and Bateman not that fun. 
I mean, I I will say this, I'm 

1657
01:23:56,320 --> 01:24:00,120
never taking Bateman if Lamar is
not on that team, not not even 

1658
01:24:00,120 --> 01:24:02,480
for Stroud. 
I'm Bate my my correlation. 

1659
01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:03,800
I'd use them as a Stroud bring 
back. 

1660
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:06,360
No, no, I can't. 
I can't go there. 

1661
01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:07,960
My I'm. 
I'm actually going back to the 

1662
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:09,840
Bateman. 
Well, I'm doing it. 

1663
01:24:10,040 --> 01:24:12,680
No, OK, this is what's. 
The point, dude, it's, it's so. 

1664
01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:15,520
Trying to You're trying to 
replace Devante Parker in your 

1665
01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:19,280
heart, and I don't. 
I have to I have to say Rashad 

1666
01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:23,040
Bateman going from exciting 
young rookie breakout to to 

1667
01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:28,240
Sam's new Devante Parker is is 
really, really tough. 

1668
01:24:28,440 --> 01:24:30,000
Tough. 
I really thought Bateman was 

1669
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:34,200
going to be so good too man. 
Here's the thing on like the 

1670
01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:37,160
Bateman thing too, and, and I 
don't know how much it matters, 

1671
01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:39,720
but like the charting stuff on 
Bateman, you see it on open 

1672
01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:40,960
score. 
And then also if you look at 

1673
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:43,520
Harman's like reception 
perception stuff, Harman is 

1674
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:46,960
still tripling, quadrupling down
on Bateman saying he's good. 

1675
01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:51,040
He's saying Jameson Williams is 
not good. 

1676
01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:54,640
If you look at that data, it, it
is pretty, pretty bad for Jamo. 

1677
01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:59,040
So that's the other thing, like 
if, again, if I forgot who came 

1678
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:01,560
up with this metaphor, maybe it 
was buying for is like chasing 

1679
01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:04,240
waterfalls a thing that he came 
up with this year? 

1680
01:25:04,720 --> 01:25:07,040
Yeah. 
Like if I'm chasing waterfalls, 

1681
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:10,200
I'd pick 150 plus I'm OK with 
it. 

1682
01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:14,400
Like at pick 87 I would. 
Rather take Greg Dort straight 

1683
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:17,160
up over Rashad Bateman, 
honestly. 

1684
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:23,840
It's hard to push back even. 
I just, I, I, I've got, I've got

1685
01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:28,480
no interest in round 14 Rashad 
Bateman unless I have Lamar 

1686
01:25:28,480 --> 01:25:30,680
Jackson on that team. 
None, zero. 

1687
01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:33,160
I will. 
I will not click an uncorrelated

1688
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:36,760
Rashad Bateman. 
Yeah. 

1689
01:25:37,360 --> 01:25:38,120
It's fine. 
Could take. 

1690
01:25:38,200 --> 01:25:40,760
I could take Luke McCaffrey 
instead, and to be honest, I'd 

1691
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:44,240
rather. 
Let's talk here. 

1692
01:25:44,240 --> 01:25:47,200
I wanted to to close the show 
talking about a couple more 

1693
01:25:47,200 --> 01:25:50,520
followers. 
We got TJ Hawkinson, Keaton 

1694
01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:53,840
Mitchell, Nick Chubb on here. 
What do they all have in common?

1695
01:25:54,120 --> 01:25:57,400
They have injuries that were 
just not being really priced in 

1696
01:25:57,520 --> 01:25:58,480
appropriately. 
Now. 

1697
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:03,280
Now, I think it's like fair to 
argue if they are, but I did 

1698
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:06,880
this research early in the 
offseason on pop candidates and 

1699
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:09,080
three of the top four guys here 
that are on the Smaller's list, 

1700
01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:11,600
TJ Hawkinson, Keaton Mitchell, 
Nick Chubb. 

1701
01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:14,400
I'll flag them again. 
I'm obviously not a doctor. 

1702
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:17,920
I just purely did the surgery 
date to average recovery 

1703
01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:21,000
timeline math. 
All these guys had three of the 

1704
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:25,440
four highest pop candidate risk 
in the league last year. 

1705
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:28,320
So I think the fall on all these
guys is appropriate. 

1706
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:31,760
I mean, it was insane. 
Nick Chuck was going at pick 69 

1707
01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:33,480
when these pre draft tournaments
opened. 

1708
01:26:33,480 --> 01:26:36,280
He's at like 120 now. 
TJ Hawkinson was going at pick 

1709
01:26:36,280 --> 01:26:38,240
98. 
Like they were egregiously 

1710
01:26:38,240 --> 01:26:41,320
mispriced for a while. 
I I do think it's interesting. 

1711
01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:45,360
Now let's start with Hawkinson. 
Like pick 133 is starting to get

1712
01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:49,920
a little more interesting to me.
I'm curious, Patton Davis, with 

1713
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:52,840
your guy's ranking starting with
you, Davis, have you been more 

1714
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:57,160
interested in him at this cost? 
I've got him ranked below this 

1715
01:26:57,160 --> 01:27:00,160
even. 
But The thing is, is it's very 

1716
01:27:01,400 --> 01:27:04,360
everyone who's done one of these
drafts has told themselves the 

1717
01:27:04,360 --> 01:27:07,880
TJ Hawkinson lie, which is you 
miss out on all the elite tight 

1718
01:27:07,880 --> 01:27:09,360
ends. 
Oh, Bowers went. 

1719
01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:11,760
What do I do? 
I need an elite. 

1720
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:14,600
So this is what I'm going to do.
No one will also think of this. 

1721
01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:17,040
I'm a devious. 
I'm going to take TJ Hawkinson 

1722
01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:20,680
slightly ahead of ADP, get a 
back to him with no a fan. 

1723
01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:24,160
And then I'm going to take one 
of the early season that Zach 

1724
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:27,960
Ertz Dawson knocks with him, and
by the time he's back, I'll have

1725
01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:29,960
access to elite tight end 
production. 

1726
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:33,200
Yeah, it's a good I've. 
Done that. 

1727
01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:36,000
I don't reach for it though. 
I only let it fall to me because

1728
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:38,680
I I think he's still going like 
20 picks too high. 

1729
01:27:39,480 --> 01:27:43,440
Like legitimately so I he has to
fall now he has fallen to me in 

1730
01:27:43,440 --> 01:27:46,480
some of these puppies and stuff.
He's fallen and I'll scoop him, 

1731
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:50,280
get a little exposure, but I 
don't know. 

1732
01:27:50,280 --> 01:27:51,800
I I think he's going to keep 
falling. 

1733
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:52,960
He's going to miss a bunch of 
he's. 

1734
01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:55,760
Going to he's when, when when 
that dude gets when they when 

1735
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:59,240
they put him on the pup round 
round 14. 

1736
01:28:00,440 --> 01:28:03,720
Yeah. 
So I have here week nine, I have

1737
01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:06,040
that as his optimistic return 
timeline. 

1738
01:28:06,040 --> 01:28:09,160
That would be nine months. 
That's the typical timeline for 

1739
01:28:09,440 --> 01:28:13,720
a clean ACL. 
Now he also torn his MCL that I 

1740
01:28:13,720 --> 01:28:17,080
guess the MCL according to the 
injury experts is not that bad 

1741
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:19,280
compared to like meniscus, PCL, 
etcetera. 

1742
01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:22,120
But it's not, it's obviously not
not good either. 

1743
01:28:22,120 --> 01:28:25,840
So again, optimistic return to 
return timeline is like week 

1744
01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:28,800
nine. 
Now some guys can come back in 

1745
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:32,520
like 8 months so extremely 
optimistic would be like week 

1746
01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:37,640
5-6. 
That's still pop list likely in 

1747
01:28:37,640 --> 01:28:39,920
my opinion. 
So yeah, I just don't see many 

1748
01:28:39,920 --> 01:28:44,560
avenues to him like skyrocketing
an ADP unless he just breaks all

1749
01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:46,640
these timelines and comes back 
way earlier than expected. 

1750
01:28:46,640 --> 01:28:52,200
The other thing is that I feel 
like, you know, we're we're not 

1751
01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:56,160
going to knock Jefferson because
he went from Kirk Cousins to JJ 

1752
01:28:56,160 --> 01:28:59,160
McCarthy because he's Jefferson.
Addison has fallen. 

1753
01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:01,720
I feel like a little bit like 
certainly lower than where he 

1754
01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:04,360
would have been if Cousins had 
resigned probably by a couple 

1755
01:29:04,360 --> 01:29:06,680
rounds. 
But like, how much of this is 

1756
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:08,520
going to get baked into 
Hawkinson because we're talking 

1757
01:29:08,520 --> 01:29:10,160
about the injury and when he's 
coming back, But we're talking 

1758
01:29:10,160 --> 01:29:14,840
about probably the third option 
on the JJ McCarthy Vikings. 

1759
01:29:15,520 --> 01:29:16,640
It's not. 
It's. 

1760
01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:20,720
Not that high ceiling of a play.
Yeah. 

1761
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:24,040
Yeah. 
No, it's not because I think, I 

1762
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:28,120
think the the thing we feel the 
most confident in is that it 

1763
01:29:28,120 --> 01:29:30,680
just doesn't matter for Justin 
Jefferson, or at least I should 

1764
01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:32,840
speak for myself. 
I don't think it matters at all.

1765
01:29:32,840 --> 01:29:35,720
I I literally think he could get
there with Zach Wilson. 

1766
01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:37,960
I think he's that good. 
I didn't get there with Darnold,

1767
01:29:38,240 --> 01:29:38,880
I don't think. 
Oh. 

1768
01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:40,880
Yeah, yeah, That's what I meant.
That's what I meant. 

1769
01:29:40,880 --> 01:29:43,520
That's what I meant. 
I I agree He's yeah. 

1770
01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:48,040
But there are going to be big 
knock on effects if if McCarthy 

1771
01:29:48,040 --> 01:29:51,440
is not quite great, they're 
going to be big knock on effects

1772
01:29:51,440 --> 01:29:53,720
for Hawkinson, Addison and Aaron
Jones. 

1773
01:29:53,720 --> 01:29:57,640
Where where those got the the 
the pie is gonna be much smaller

1774
01:29:57,640 --> 01:30:01,280
for those guys. 
Yeah. 

1775
01:30:01,440 --> 01:30:06,320
And I think with with Hawkinson,
I think it is like a sneaky 

1776
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:09,600
piece of Jordan Addison's ADP 
that's maybe not fully baked in.

1777
01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:13,360
Is that Jordan Addison, I guess 
and for Jefferson too, right. 

1778
01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:16,480
Like I was trying to think 
today, who's the wide receiver 

1779
01:30:16,480 --> 01:30:19,360
of three on the Vikings? 
Brandon Powell. 

1780
01:30:20,480 --> 01:30:22,640
It's yeah. 
So it's gonna be with Brandon 

1781
01:30:22,640 --> 01:30:26,600
Powell out there and I guess 
Josh Oliver as the tight end. 

1782
01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:29,520
It's going to be insane. 
Buddy, that is the 12th highest 

1783
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:31,480
paid tight end in the NFL. 
Yeah. 

1784
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:35,680
But yeah, it's going to be 
insanely concentrated between 

1785
01:30:35,680 --> 01:30:39,200
Addison and Jefferson for 
10/11/12 weeks. 

1786
01:30:39,200 --> 01:30:41,960
Like what are their, you know, 
combined target shares going to 

1787
01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:45,760
be? 
55% funniest possible 4th wide 

1788
01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:48,440
receiver for the Vikings. 
Funniest possible name? 

1789
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:51,920
First round pick Flake now. 
Laquan Treadwell. 

1790
01:30:52,320 --> 01:30:55,520
So Reger is a Patriot, but this 
is this guy is related. 

1791
01:30:55,520 --> 01:30:58,240
This guy is related. 
Treadwell is also on the roster,

1792
01:30:58,240 --> 01:31:01,600
but not the 4th wide receiver. 
Or Treadwell. 

1793
01:31:01,600 --> 01:31:05,240
Kevin White got him. 
No, Kevin White is the funniest 

1794
01:31:05,240 --> 01:31:06,880
possible. 
Kevin White is the funny Kevin 

1795
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:09,760
White was in the NFL as recent 
as two years ago. 

1796
01:31:09,960 --> 01:31:12,600
Yeah. 
The answer is the answer is in 

1797
01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:13,720
keel. 
Harry is on the. 

1798
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:15,760
Froster Oh wow, it's pretty. 
Funny. 

1799
01:31:18,520 --> 01:31:19,880
That's funnier than Rhaegar for 
sure. 

1800
01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:22,240
It's funnier than Rhaegar. 
It's much funnier. 

1801
01:31:22,480 --> 01:31:27,080
Although, although Rhaegar 
coming back to the Vikings in 

1802
01:31:27,080 --> 01:31:30,160
this like punt return role that 
he's in, I mean, that would be 

1803
01:31:30,160 --> 01:31:32,080
good content. 
That would be extremely good 

1804
01:31:32,120 --> 01:31:33,800
content, yeah. 
Jalen Rhaegar. 

1805
01:31:33,800 --> 01:31:35,240
Not the first time would be 
pretty. 

1806
01:31:40,160 --> 01:31:43,240
Funny. 
We'll talk quickly here on on 

1807
01:31:43,240 --> 01:31:46,240
Keaton Mitchell. 
He's also yeah, I just want, I 

1808
01:31:46,240 --> 01:31:49,600
know we talked about this Ravens
backfield a little bit, you 

1809
01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:52,080
know, two weeks ago show. 
Pete Mitchell, Undraftable. 

1810
01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:57,520
Yeah, man, he, he seems, I don't
know because he was so damn good

1811
01:31:57,520 --> 01:32:00,840
when he was on the field last 
year, but this so I have him 

1812
01:32:00,840 --> 01:32:03,200
here as just a clean ACL. 
There's been some like mixed 

1813
01:32:03,200 --> 01:32:06,480
reporting on that. 
Like the people who watch the 

1814
01:32:06,480 --> 01:32:10,280
video and say they can see stuff
from that say that it was like a

1815
01:32:10,280 --> 01:32:13,680
really nasty knee injury, even 
though nothing's been reported 

1816
01:32:13,680 --> 01:32:17,200
outside of the ACL. 
So I don't know, in spirit of 

1817
01:32:17,200 --> 01:32:20,320
avoiding dead roster spots, I've
been kind of avoiding him. 

1818
01:32:20,320 --> 01:32:21,840
So yeah, I think I'm with you, 
Davis. 

1819
01:32:22,280 --> 01:32:27,520
Rasheen Ali Learn the name I. 
Think Mitchell. 

1820
01:32:28,480 --> 01:32:32,440
I think Mitchell's like 
draftable on Texans and Raven 

1821
01:32:32,440 --> 01:32:34,160
stuff. 
Yeah, sure. 

1822
01:32:34,640 --> 01:32:38,800
You know, and I think in a weird
way, I think the Texan stuff is 

1823
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:42,400
almost more interesting because 
you're not betting on the 

1824
01:32:42,400 --> 01:32:47,120
Ravens, you're just betting on 
the Texans to score points and 

1825
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:50,800
the Ravens to, you know, get 
pulled into the game. 

1826
01:32:51,320 --> 01:32:56,640
So you just like you just need 
Keaton Mitchell to be active and

1827
01:32:56,640 --> 01:32:59,640
interesting in the final week. 
If that's if your bet is on the 

1828
01:32:59,640 --> 01:33:02,040
Texans. 
So that's where I'm doing it, 

1829
01:33:02,040 --> 01:33:05,560
but I'm not doing it a ton. 
But I do think he's draftable. 

1830
01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:08,520
I think he's draftable, just 
kind of with how much he flashed

1831
01:33:08,520 --> 01:33:12,800
last year and it was a pure end 
of the the season, like one 

1832
01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:16,120
spike week type of bat, which if
you get one massive spike week 

1833
01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:21,160
or one not even massive, but 
just like very usable 23 points 

1834
01:33:21,160 --> 01:33:23,720
out of Keith Mitchell. 
Pretty psyched. 

1835
01:33:23,720 --> 01:33:27,240
You're pretty psyched. 
You're gonna be. 

1836
01:33:27,480 --> 01:33:29,200
You're gonna. 
You're gonna be the opposite of 

1837
01:33:29,200 --> 01:33:32,920
psyched when Rasheen Ali is 
scoring a bazillion touchdowns a

1838
01:33:32,920 --> 01:33:35,480
game when Derrick Henry retires 
mid season. 

1839
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:38,280
The problem for Rasheen Ali, I 
think, is Justice Hill. 

1840
01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:42,760
No, I think I think this is your
classic Justice Hill is who he 

1841
01:33:42,760 --> 01:33:47,080
is and Rasheen Ali is the maybe 
even game day inactive but plays

1842
01:33:47,080 --> 01:33:50,440
when Henry gets injured like he 
he just comes in and runs runs 

1843
01:33:50,440 --> 01:33:53,400
the are you. 
Are you so but that's like a 

1844
01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:56,720
parlay where you you have to 
also then hope Mitchell doesn't 

1845
01:33:56,720 --> 01:34:01,160
make a a strong recovery because
he's he feels practice squatty 

1846
01:34:01,160 --> 01:34:05,280
to me Rasheen Ali like I need 
information that he's not gonna 

1847
01:34:05,360 --> 01:34:09,840
like he is he not Tyler Beatty. 
Oh my God, yeah. 

1848
01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:13,440
I mean, he probably is, but you 
know, man has to believe in 

1849
01:34:13,440 --> 01:34:17,320
something. 
Pop pop quiz on Keaton Mitchell.

1850
01:34:17,360 --> 01:34:22,840
He had 47 attempts last year. 
Did he have more or less yards 

1851
01:34:22,880 --> 01:34:26,960
per carry than Devon 8 Chain? 
Sorry, who? 

1852
01:34:27,760 --> 01:34:30,440
Keaton Mitchell Keaton Mitchell 
Did Keaton Mitchell on his 47 

1853
01:34:30,440 --> 01:34:31,800
attempts last year? 
Have more? 

1854
01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:34,080
More 'cause he had like an 80 
yard touchdown. 

1855
01:34:35,240 --> 01:34:37,640
Yeah, he had more he. 
Had more What did he do? 

1856
01:34:38,600 --> 01:34:43,840
He had 8.4 yards per carry on 
nearly 50 carries. 60% breakaway

1857
01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:45,840
rate. 
Literally like. 

1858
01:34:45,960 --> 01:34:49,000
He was great. 
He was actually so insanely 

1859
01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:50,400
good. 
It's honestly such a bummer 

1860
01:34:50,400 --> 01:34:54,000
because I I do think this injury
is just gonna tank him for this 

1861
01:34:54,000 --> 01:34:56,000
year. 
I'm excited to see him. 

1862
01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:58,600
I I bet they don't. 
I bet if he doesn't hurt his 

1863
01:34:58,600 --> 01:35:00,400
knee, I bet they don't do the 
Henry thing. 

1864
01:35:00,440 --> 01:35:02,080
Seriously. 
Like he was that good. 

1865
01:35:03,240 --> 01:35:06,440
Yeah, I don't. 
Know you, I think you're playing

1866
01:35:06,440 --> 01:35:09,960
for one week. 
Like I think, I guess I don't 

1867
01:35:09,960 --> 01:35:12,560
know, maybe he isn't draftable 
and we should just wait until we

1868
01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:16,360
have more information. 
But what the injury stuff. 

1869
01:35:16,360 --> 01:35:20,200
If he if he starts the season on
pop like he's he's going to make

1870
01:35:21,760 --> 01:35:23,400
like, I don't know. 
It's not like he's going to get 

1871
01:35:23,400 --> 01:35:24,840
cut or something is what I'm 
trying to say. 

1872
01:35:24,840 --> 01:35:27,760
Like he's going to be on the 
he's going to be in the mix and 

1873
01:35:27,760 --> 01:35:30,080
if he comes back, they're going 
to sort of get to see what they 

1874
01:35:30,080 --> 01:35:33,120
have. 
I don't know. 

1875
01:35:34,080 --> 01:35:37,360
Last round pick honestly like 
you're fishing in dead roster 

1876
01:35:37,360 --> 01:35:39,920
spot territory already at pick 
206 like I. 

1877
01:35:39,920 --> 01:35:41,280
Don't and I guess. 
I guess and. 

1878
01:35:41,360 --> 01:35:42,880
Correlated only. 
Correlated only. 

1879
01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:46,760
Yeah, yeah, to. 
Be to be fair, you know, they're

1880
01:35:46,840 --> 01:35:49,400
generally you're trying to do 
one of two things with your 18th

1881
01:35:49,400 --> 01:35:51,920
round pick. 
You're either granting big dead 

1882
01:35:51,920 --> 01:35:55,720
roster spot equity for, you 
know, this year's Kyron 

1883
01:35:55,720 --> 01:35:59,080
Williams, or you're just trying 
to patch a hole. 

1884
01:35:59,080 --> 01:36:01,280
You're like, I got to, I'm going
to take Dawson Knox because I 

1885
01:36:01,280 --> 01:36:05,080
might need 6.2 points in weeks. 
I'm just imagining right now 

1886
01:36:05,240 --> 01:36:06,840
something about Sam's look right
now, too. 

1887
01:36:07,160 --> 01:36:10,040
I'm just imagining him outside 
like tinking around in the 

1888
01:36:10,040 --> 01:36:12,440
garage, like just patching his 
hole with like a little Devante 

1889
01:36:12,440 --> 01:36:16,680
Parker. 
Mac Jones. 

1890
01:36:17,920 --> 01:36:19,960
Mac Jones is just building a 
stool. 

1891
01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:24,040
Mac Jones. 
Did you guys see the clip of Mac

1892
01:36:24,040 --> 01:36:26,280
Jones doing the gauntlet at 
Jaguars practice? 

1893
01:36:26,280 --> 01:36:28,280
That is one of the funniest 
things I've ever seen, no. 

1894
01:36:29,280 --> 01:36:31,600
Police, police. 
I can't wait for like the I'm 

1895
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:34,080
sure Danny Carter's going to 
have like a Mac Jones is better 

1896
01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:37,080
than Trevor Lawrence take. 
I'm I'm excited for that one to 

1897
01:36:37,080 --> 01:36:40,120
come out pretty soon. 
Yes, yeah, he's he's 

1898
01:36:40,120 --> 01:36:41,480
workshopping that. 
All right, let's do. 

1899
01:36:41,480 --> 01:36:43,960
Let's do Nick Chubb. 
Did you know Nick Chubb is the 

1900
01:36:43,960 --> 01:36:48,320
best pure rusher in the NFL? 
It's a darn, it's a darn shame 

1901
01:36:48,520 --> 01:36:52,000
he's not healthy. 
I'm taking him now. 

1902
01:36:52,080 --> 01:36:54,960
I'm taking him. 
I'm taking him now 'cause you 

1903
01:36:54,960 --> 01:36:58,960
can get him in like the 12th, 
13th round sometimes, but I. 

1904
01:36:58,960 --> 01:37:01,000
Why not? 
Why not at that point, I guess? 

1905
01:37:01,600 --> 01:37:06,720
I still prefer like Blake Korum,
Chardonnay, I don't know, maybe 

1906
01:37:06,720 --> 01:37:11,600
maybe this is totally like 
really bad takes, but he's a 

1907
01:37:11,800 --> 01:37:18,480
2829 year old guy with the 
combination ACLMCLPCLLLCL like. 

1908
01:37:19,800 --> 01:37:22,600
Dude, it's bad. 
Yeah, I, I don't think that's a 

1909
01:37:22,600 --> 01:37:25,920
bad take to prefer Quorum, 
Charbonnet, those guys over him.

1910
01:37:26,320 --> 01:37:28,280
I think if he if he ends up 
settling, it's. 

1911
01:37:28,640 --> 01:37:30,040
Just behind but I think I might 
flip them. 

1912
01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:33,960
Yeah, if he ends up settling in 
the 1:30's, like he would be 

1913
01:37:33,960 --> 01:37:39,120
like a 5% mix in guy for me. 
I think maybe 3 or 4% 'cause I, 

1914
01:37:39,240 --> 01:37:42,280
I don't know, like I just need 
these guys coming off these 

1915
01:37:42,280 --> 01:37:45,440
devastating knee injuries to, to
prove me wrong. 

1916
01:37:45,440 --> 01:37:47,640
I mean it's such a big 
difference like the rookie 

1917
01:37:47,640 --> 01:37:50,240
running back who tears his ACL 
and it's a clean tear versus 

1918
01:37:50,240 --> 01:37:54,280
like the 29 year old veteran. 
And he's already injured this 

1919
01:37:54,320 --> 01:37:56,520
knee before. 
He's already injured this knee 

1920
01:37:56,520 --> 01:37:58,080
before. 
Yeah. 

1921
01:37:59,400 --> 01:38:03,040
So it's like it's like when you,
when you recover, like look, I 

1922
01:38:03,040 --> 01:38:05,040
don't know if you guys, I don't 
know if you guys know this, but 

1923
01:38:05,040 --> 01:38:10,480
if you know ball your, your 
knee, you know you're, you're 

1924
01:38:10,480 --> 01:38:13,080
going to, it's going to get 
progressively weaker. 

1925
01:38:13,640 --> 01:38:15,600
Like it's not, it's not going to
recover the same. 

1926
01:38:16,880 --> 01:38:21,160
Yeah, I think if you, if you're 
getting Chubb at a price where 

1927
01:38:21,160 --> 01:38:25,600
you're basically betting on 
contingent upside to unlock late

1928
01:38:25,600 --> 01:38:31,360
season performance, which may or
may not happen, then OK, Yeah, 

1929
01:38:31,400 --> 01:38:34,760
like you're getting your 
Charbonnet or whatever quorum. 

1930
01:38:35,720 --> 01:38:38,200
The problem that I see even 
compared to those guys is that 

1931
01:38:38,200 --> 01:38:41,080
like OK, with Chubb, it's not 
contingent. 

1932
01:38:41,080 --> 01:38:44,120
He doesn't need contingency, he 
needs everything and actually 

1933
01:38:44,120 --> 01:38:48,360
kind of go best case scenario. 
And then he he kind of recovers 

1934
01:38:48,360 --> 01:38:50,600
from the knee injury and takes 
the rightful place as the 

1935
01:38:50,600 --> 01:38:51,960
starter again at the end of the 
season. 

1936
01:38:52,360 --> 01:38:53,760
But like, what are you even 
getting? 

1937
01:38:53,760 --> 01:38:58,520
Then when I had Matthew Betz on 
the pod, he was like, he did not

1938
01:38:58,520 --> 01:39:02,040
seem particularly bullish about 
what Chubb will be even down the

1939
01:39:02,040 --> 01:39:04,960
stretch coming off this injury 
at his age. 

1940
01:39:04,960 --> 01:39:07,040
I think age is a pretty big part
of this. 

1941
01:39:07,200 --> 01:39:10,000
Like Chubb kind of proved that, 
you know, in the first recovery 

1942
01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:13,120
that he had this devastating 
knee injury, but you can kind of

1943
01:39:13,120 --> 01:39:14,880
come back from that as a super 
young player. 

1944
01:39:14,960 --> 01:39:17,200
When we see this stuff in older 
players, it doesn't tend to go 

1945
01:39:17,200 --> 01:39:19,680
nearly as well. 
So I don't know. 

1946
01:39:19,680 --> 01:39:25,040
I, I definitely, it probably in 
like the 1:30's is really where 

1947
01:39:25,240 --> 01:39:26,960
Chubb starts to be interesting 
to me. 

1948
01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:29,440
He's fallen a lot. 
I think in the one teams there's

1949
01:39:29,440 --> 01:39:33,680
a fair amount of opportunity 
cost like you're getting, you 

1950
01:39:33,720 --> 01:39:36,640
know what, Javonte Williams 
might still be on the board or 

1951
01:39:36,640 --> 01:39:38,880
is just gone, gone off. 
You're getting him two years 

1952
01:39:38,880 --> 01:39:42,520
off, devastating the injury. 
I'll take that for sure, you 

1953
01:39:42,520 --> 01:39:44,720
know. 
Give me the chubby Chase Brown 

1954
01:39:44,720 --> 01:39:47,360
or Nick Chubb. 
Yeah, give me chase, Brown man. 

1955
01:39:47,480 --> 01:39:50,720
Yeah, give me Chase Brown. 
Yeah, I, I understand that like 

1956
01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:55,120
Nick Chubb could come back and 
be good and if that happens, 

1957
01:39:55,120 --> 01:39:56,520
he'll be better than Chase 
Brown. 

1958
01:39:56,520 --> 01:40:02,880
But like, there's this is a this
late in a guy's career, this 

1959
01:40:02,880 --> 01:40:05,960
injury is, is pretty concerning.
So I think you have to be. 

1960
01:40:06,800 --> 01:40:11,280
Really only paying for the 
second-half of the season and 

1961
01:40:11,280 --> 01:40:15,080
with running back prices being 
what they are that doesn't 

1962
01:40:15,080 --> 01:40:19,000
really happen until I would say 
after at least the one 20s like 

1963
01:40:19,000 --> 01:40:22,040
you're getting. 
You can get Zeke at 129. 

1964
01:40:22,160 --> 01:40:23,640
Are you paying for half a season
with Zeke? 

1965
01:40:23,640 --> 01:40:25,840
Maybe. 
Yeah, you probably are. 

1966
01:40:25,920 --> 01:40:27,400
You probably are you. 
Probably are getting eight 

1967
01:40:27,440 --> 01:40:29,280
games. 
Maybe, but you might get a whole

1968
01:40:29,280 --> 01:40:31,080
one. 
I know I'm not getting a whole. 

1969
01:40:31,520 --> 01:40:33,640
You know, you know what a great 
you know what AI mean? 

1970
01:40:33,640 --> 01:40:38,320
The the comp, the comp that 
obviously terrifies you is, is 

1971
01:40:38,320 --> 01:40:41,960
Adrian Peterson coming back from
the ACL where it's like he just 

1972
01:40:41,960 --> 01:40:46,520
he totally owns your soul. 
But yeah, I don't know. 

1973
01:40:46,520 --> 01:40:49,920
I mean, this just feels like a 
like, what do you want me to do?

1974
01:40:49,920 --> 01:40:51,760
What do you want me? 
You want me to take a guy I 

1975
01:40:51,760 --> 01:40:56,240
didn't like anyways ever for 
fantasy football because he got 

1976
01:40:56,240 --> 01:40:58,960
hurt. 
Like he's coming into the season

1977
01:40:59,080 --> 01:41:02,680
knowing I'm going to take six 
zeros from him at least. 

1978
01:41:02,840 --> 01:41:06,560
I don't know. 
So one thing that's interesting 

1979
01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:10,160
here is we can get in into a 
little bit of what the Browns 

1980
01:41:10,160 --> 01:41:12,800
expectations are based on the 
contract stuff and what 

1981
01:41:12,800 --> 01:41:16,080
happened. 
He could have been cut and the 

1982
01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:20,480
Browns would have only had 4 
million in dead cap this season,

1983
01:41:20,480 --> 01:41:24,320
meaning they would have paid a 
$4 million cap hit in 2024. 

1984
01:41:24,320 --> 01:41:25,720
Chub would have been off their 
roster. 

1985
01:41:25,920 --> 01:41:29,640
What they decided to do was 
basically reduce his cap hit 

1986
01:41:29,640 --> 01:41:34,480
from 15 to 6 this season. 
So they basically they tacked on

1987
01:41:34,480 --> 01:41:37,680
two more years or sorry, two 
more million in guarantees and 

1988
01:41:37,680 --> 01:41:40,720
said, hey shove, you're not 
getting paid 15,000,000, but 

1989
01:41:40,720 --> 01:41:44,040
we're willing to pay you an 
extra 2 million to be on the 

1990
01:41:44,040 --> 01:41:46,920
team this year. 
So essentially you can think of 

1991
01:41:47,080 --> 01:41:51,840
the Browns giving him kind of 
like a one year $2,000,000 

1992
01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:55,120
commitment this season instead 
of cutting him. 

1993
01:41:55,560 --> 01:41:59,760
That's not a ton of commitment 
for a running back, but at the 

1994
01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:02,720
same time it's it's not 
absolutely nothing like it. 

1995
01:42:02,720 --> 01:42:06,200
It does signal they have an 
expectation he's going to play 

1996
01:42:06,360 --> 01:42:08,160
this season, right? 
Like you, you would have just 

1997
01:42:08,160 --> 01:42:10,640
caught him instead of paying him
the extra 2,000,000. 

1998
01:42:11,240 --> 01:42:14,640
So that's where I think. 
I mean, they, they clearly like 

1999
01:42:14,640 --> 01:42:16,680
him, right? 
I mean no one, no one, no one. 

2000
01:42:16,760 --> 01:42:18,640
'S a fan, Yeah. 
It's a fan base. 

2001
01:42:18,720 --> 01:42:20,960
It's a fan base. 
And I think it's a locker room. 

2002
01:42:20,960 --> 01:42:23,480
I think the guy's a team leader 
when he got paid. 

2003
01:42:23,480 --> 01:42:25,680
Remember when there was a whole 
thing of are they gonna pay this

2004
01:42:25,680 --> 01:42:27,160
guy? 
And it's like, dude, you have to

2005
01:42:27,160 --> 01:42:31,640
pay this guy like he's, he's 
like what the like the heartbeat

2006
01:42:31,640 --> 01:42:32,960
of the locker room, Like this 
guy, he's. 

2007
01:42:32,960 --> 01:42:35,760
Like the he's like the only guy 
with a positive Q score on the 

2008
01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:38,840
entire roster. 
Yeah, like the Browns do not 

2009
01:42:38,840 --> 01:42:41,400
need to cut Nick Chubb. 
Like, that is just bad for 

2010
01:42:41,400 --> 01:42:44,320
business after, Yeah, after 
everything he's done for them. 

2011
01:42:44,320 --> 01:42:47,240
So I think very, very smart for 
them to find a way to bring him 

2012
01:42:47,240 --> 01:42:48,520
back. 
Exactly. 

2013
01:42:48,520 --> 01:42:52,400
But yeah, point being there is 
like, I think you can say they 

2014
01:42:52,440 --> 01:42:54,760
have some expectation he's going
to play this season. 

2015
01:42:55,760 --> 01:42:59,120
Just think it's far more likely 
it's gonna be like an 8 to 10 

2016
01:42:59,120 --> 01:43:01,840
carries per game as they're 
bringing him back. 

2017
01:43:01,880 --> 01:43:04,200
Like I don't think we're getting
20 carries a game. 

2018
01:43:04,200 --> 01:43:06,560
Nick Chubb off this injury. 
So yeah, like. 

2019
01:43:06,800 --> 01:43:08,840
I'd probably ever, right. 
Like, what are we ever getting 

2020
01:43:08,920 --> 01:43:10,280
there? 
Are we getting it in Week 17? 

2021
01:43:10,400 --> 01:43:11,520
That's the part that concerns 
me. 

2022
01:43:11,520 --> 01:43:14,520
Like what am I even paying for 
at the end of the season? 

2023
01:43:14,520 --> 01:43:19,760
Was it like 12 carries? 
Yeah, I think Charbonnet is the 

2024
01:43:19,760 --> 01:43:22,320
line for me, right? 
Or maybe even Rico Dowdell is I 

2025
01:43:22,320 --> 01:43:23,200
like. 
Rico More. 

2026
01:43:23,760 --> 01:43:27,640
Yeah, like once it's past there 
and we're getting to guys that 

2027
01:43:27,640 --> 01:43:31,200
we have no idea, like their 
depth chart position or if 

2028
01:43:31,200 --> 01:43:33,840
they're good at all, then I'll 
start getting back in a job like

2029
01:43:33,840 --> 01:43:38,840
around pick one 35140. 
But yeah, I don't know, 80 PS 

2030
01:43:38,840 --> 01:43:40,960
flat in this range. 
Like it's, it's not I, I no 

2031
01:43:40,960 --> 01:43:43,760
longer think if this is some 
like egregious pick that it 

2032
01:43:43,760 --> 01:43:47,400
clearly was at pick 70. 
I just think it's like meh, like

2033
01:43:47,400 --> 01:43:50,520
I don't know. 
I think I yeah, it went, it went

2034
01:43:50,520 --> 01:43:54,520
from terrible pick like would 
never do it to That's fair. 

2035
01:43:55,360 --> 01:43:57,080
Dude, that's fair. 
That's that's where I am at now 

2036
01:43:57,080 --> 01:43:57,560
too. 
Yeah, yeah. 

2037
01:43:57,880 --> 01:44:03,120
It's fair. 
All right, end of the show here,

2038
01:44:03,120 --> 01:44:05,480
guys. 
We, I think we've kind of gone 

2039
01:44:05,480 --> 01:44:09,640
away from this for a couple 
weeks, but let's get back to our

2040
01:44:09,640 --> 01:44:12,080
favorite closing line value. 
Oh, damn it. 

2041
01:44:12,120 --> 01:44:14,240
We we didn't do it. 
We didn't do it when we could 

2042
01:44:14,240 --> 01:44:17,640
have been taking or someone 
could have taken Rashad Bateman.

2043
01:44:18,440 --> 01:44:20,360
Yeah, I know. 
That'd have been a huge. 

2044
01:44:20,360 --> 01:44:23,040
One big miss, Big miss for us on
the CLV. 

2045
01:44:24,040 --> 01:44:28,000
Yeah, I am scrolling right now. 
I imagine you guys are as well. 

2046
01:44:28,000 --> 01:44:29,320
No, I got one. 
I got. 

2047
01:44:29,560 --> 01:44:32,200
One I got I jump in. 
You go first, Pat. 

2048
01:44:33,120 --> 01:44:34,760
Well, I'm worried I might steal 
your guy. 

2049
01:44:35,160 --> 01:44:36,240
So you? 
I don't think so. 

2050
01:44:36,640 --> 01:44:39,200
Mine is a mine is a high pick. 
OK. 

2051
01:44:39,440 --> 01:44:41,160
All right. 
I'll go ahead, Braylon Allen. 

2052
01:44:41,880 --> 01:44:43,000
Got it. 
OK. 

2053
01:44:43,360 --> 01:44:45,640
I just wanted to save him for 
future times. 

2054
01:44:45,840 --> 01:44:47,880
But yeah, the drum beat. 
The drum beat has been 

2055
01:44:47,880 --> 01:44:49,600
inevitable. 
The the thing that we knew was 

2056
01:44:49,600 --> 01:44:53,040
going to happen is happening. 
The There's two drum beats here.

2057
01:44:53,040 --> 01:44:58,680
One, Braylon Allen's starting to
get some hype. 2 Izzy Bandicanda

2058
01:44:58,680 --> 01:45:00,760
is loathed by The Jets coaching 
staff. 

2059
01:45:00,960 --> 01:45:04,960
That drum beat has happened for 
the last two years and it is It 

2060
01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:07,200
is deafening. 
It is deafening. 

2061
01:45:07,760 --> 01:45:10,800
There's just no chance that it's
Izzy. 

2062
01:45:11,040 --> 01:45:15,080
It's not Izzy. 
We know that this is not. 0.0 So

2063
01:45:15,240 --> 01:45:17,640
who is it? 
Well, now it's like it looked 

2064
01:45:17,640 --> 01:45:19,360
crowded before. 
Is it Isaiah Davis? 

2065
01:45:19,640 --> 01:45:22,560
You know, is it Izzy? 
Is it Braylon Allen? 

2066
01:45:23,200 --> 01:45:24,280
What's the point of even 
guessing? 

2067
01:45:24,280 --> 01:45:26,600
We're not guessing anymore. 
It's the answer's Braylon Allen.

2068
01:45:26,600 --> 01:45:29,960
It's that's who the the RB2 is 
for The Jets. 

2069
01:45:29,960 --> 01:45:32,680
I already feel pretty confident.
You know, the draft capital 

2070
01:45:32,680 --> 01:45:35,480
difference should be helpful 
with him and Isaiah Davis. 

2071
01:45:35,840 --> 01:45:37,480
I know they sound like Tariq 
Cohen to me. 

2072
01:45:37,480 --> 01:45:41,160
That's like, it's definitely not
Izzy underlined rather than 

2073
01:45:41,160 --> 01:45:42,600
anything to worry about with 
with Yeah, it. 

2074
01:45:42,680 --> 01:45:44,200
Literally, it's like it's like 
extra. 

2075
01:45:44,200 --> 01:45:47,200
It's not Izzy because there was 
a chance that Izzy could be like

2076
01:45:47,200 --> 01:45:49,480
the kick returner that could use
his athletics. 

2077
01:45:49,560 --> 01:45:52,560
No, it's like Izzy. 
Learn, learn, learn. 

2078
01:45:52,560 --> 01:45:55,120
CFL buddy. 
Yeah, so I think you're going to

2079
01:45:55,120 --> 01:45:56,600
get Braylon Allen's the clear 
RB2. 

2080
01:45:56,600 --> 01:45:57,760
You're going to get that drum 
beat. 

2081
01:45:58,080 --> 01:46:00,240
You're going to get, Oh yeah, 
Braylon Allen was massive. 

2082
01:46:00,240 --> 01:46:02,520
Didn't, didn't, don't you know 
what he did as a freshman at 

2083
01:46:02,520 --> 01:46:04,320
Wisconsin? 
You're going to get that back. 

2084
01:46:04,320 --> 01:46:05,800
Don't you know? 
Don't you know? 

2085
01:46:06,040 --> 01:46:09,840
And then you're going to get 
Nathaniel Hackett's always run 

2086
01:46:09,840 --> 01:46:12,480
committees. 
This guy always has a committee.

2087
01:46:12,840 --> 01:46:13,840
So we're going to get that 
whole. 

2088
01:46:13,840 --> 01:46:15,760
Narrow. 
So I think Braylon Dalvin, they 

2089
01:46:15,760 --> 01:46:20,280
were consciously giving Dalvin 
Cook the ball over Breece on 

2090
01:46:20,280 --> 01:46:23,040
purpose. 
They gave they gave Dalvin Cook 

2091
01:46:23,040 --> 01:46:27,400
$7 million last year. 
Last year. 

2092
01:46:27,640 --> 01:46:30,160
Like you're, you're telling me, 
you're telling me there's no 

2093
01:46:30,200 --> 01:46:31,480
chance. 
You're telling me there's no 

2094
01:46:31,480 --> 01:46:34,160
chance. 
This clown shoes organization 

2095
01:46:34,160 --> 01:46:36,480
isn't going to give Braille and 
Allen goal line carries. 

2096
01:46:36,600 --> 01:46:38,520
You're telling me there's no 
way. 

2097
01:46:38,720 --> 01:46:40,680
I don't believe it. 
That's what I'm telling. 

2098
01:46:40,680 --> 01:46:43,840
So he's he's rocketing up. 
By the time we get into August, 

2099
01:46:43,840 --> 01:46:47,000
we're talking about Braille and.
Allen RB, 46. 

2100
01:46:47,240 --> 01:46:48,640
They're holding hands, Yeah. 
Yep. 

2101
01:46:49,360 --> 01:46:52,560
Yeah, mine is. 
So mine is kind of related to 

2102
01:46:52,560 --> 01:46:54,880
that in terms of reading the tea
leaves for camp stuff. 

2103
01:46:54,960 --> 01:47:00,760
But it is Isaiah Pacheco. 
I I think the Isaiah Pacheco 

2104
01:47:00,960 --> 01:47:03,800
drum beat is going to get insane
for two reasons. 

2105
01:47:03,800 --> 01:47:07,160
The first being people are going
to realize they're just going to

2106
01:47:07,160 --> 01:47:11,440
have done the mental math of 
their Carlos Hyde's not walking 

2107
01:47:11,440 --> 01:47:13,440
through that door. 
Melvin Gordon's not walking 

2108
01:47:13,440 --> 01:47:15,640
through that. 
It's like this backfield is 

2109
01:47:15,640 --> 01:47:20,400
Isaiah Pacheco, a guy you hate, 
client Edwards, Hilaire and 

2110
01:47:20,520 --> 01:47:26,320
nobody, I mean, Deneric Prince, 
Kiante Ingram, maybe James 

2111
01:47:26,320 --> 01:47:28,960
Williams is going to come back 
out of the roster, out of the 

2112
01:47:29,320 --> 01:47:33,120
out of the ether. 
And and the Chiefs drum beat is 

2113
01:47:33,120 --> 01:47:36,240
also going to get louder as 
people realize they are going to

2114
01:47:36,240 --> 01:47:37,560
plan on scoring a bunch of 
points. 

2115
01:47:37,560 --> 01:47:40,680
Right now. 
The market is kind of Gretch has

2116
01:47:40,680 --> 01:47:42,680
mentioned this, Sean has 
mentioned this. 

2117
01:47:42,880 --> 01:47:47,960
The market is still kind of 
treating them like the 21, you 

2118
01:47:47,960 --> 01:47:50,560
know, like 21 1/2 points per 
game Chiefs and they're going to

2119
01:47:50,560 --> 01:47:54,080
realize pretty quickly that's 
not happening this year. 

2120
01:47:54,080 --> 01:47:57,200
And, and I think, I think the 
pitch echo will end up going 

2121
01:47:57,200 --> 01:48:00,360
into the third round and is 
going to flip Travis Etienne. 

2122
01:48:01,280 --> 01:48:03,400
It's not that different. 
Obviously the running back 

2123
01:48:03,400 --> 01:48:05,480
drafting landscape is way 
different, but it's not that 

2124
01:48:05,480 --> 01:48:08,160
different of a set up from when 
Damian Williams was a first 

2125
01:48:08,160 --> 01:48:12,160
round fantasy pick, right? 
It's not not that different. 

2126
01:48:12,240 --> 01:48:17,160
So I don't know if that's good, 
good or bad, but yeah, I think, 

2127
01:48:17,360 --> 01:48:18,960
I think. 
Damian Williams, I took in the 

2128
01:48:18,960 --> 01:48:20,760
second round of my first ever 
main event. 

2129
01:48:20,760 --> 01:48:22,080
Yeah, I. 
Don't think he was ever the 

2130
01:48:22,080 --> 01:48:24,400
first time 'cause I. 
He was a he was a second 

2131
01:48:24,440 --> 01:48:27,360
rounder, yeah. 
Yeah. 

2132
01:48:27,680 --> 01:48:32,600
But anyways, I'm gonna go with 
with a weird one here. 

2133
01:48:32,600 --> 01:48:34,760
I thought about a lot of 
different options. 

2134
01:48:34,760 --> 01:48:38,040
I got a Galaxy brain one Semaj P
Rein. 

2135
01:48:38,680 --> 01:48:42,280
I think he has lots of outs 
because I still continue. 

2136
01:48:42,280 --> 01:48:45,680
To this is such a coward one 
because it's a lock to be true. 

2137
01:48:45,800 --> 01:48:47,200
No, it's just right. 
It's just. 

2138
01:48:47,360 --> 01:48:49,560
Right. 
Oh, just be right, you coward. 

2139
01:48:49,640 --> 01:48:55,360
Yeah, here's the thing though. 
It is a bit of a coward pick, 

2140
01:48:55,360 --> 01:48:57,960
but I do think there's upside. 
OK, here. 

2141
01:48:57,960 --> 01:49:00,720
Here's outs to being. 
Like I don't see why it's a 

2142
01:49:00,720 --> 01:49:01,720
coward pick. 
This is a good pick. 

2143
01:49:02,520 --> 01:49:04,600
Here's why. 
Yeah, OK, He has out to be a 

2144
01:49:04,600 --> 01:49:07,920
pick in like the one 20s on a 
few teams, right? 

2145
01:49:08,320 --> 01:49:12,000
Say the Texans. 
They're like Damien Pierce, 

2146
01:49:12,080 --> 01:49:13,960
you're garbage. 
Samadre Pieran gets caught. 

2147
01:49:13,960 --> 01:49:15,680
Bring him in, pay him 
$2,000,000. 

2148
01:49:16,120 --> 01:49:19,560
Where's Samadre Pieran going as 
our clear RB2 on the Texans? 

2149
01:49:19,600 --> 01:49:23,160
I'd say one 20s, one 30s. 
He could go to the Cowboys, 

2150
01:49:23,200 --> 01:49:25,000
right? 
And I think again there. 

2151
01:49:25,000 --> 01:49:26,960
He goes back to the Bengals and.
Sends the. 

2152
01:49:27,040 --> 01:49:29,880
Ground to the nether world. 
The Bengals is the other one I 

2153
01:49:29,880 --> 01:49:33,840
was going to bring up. 
I am so fucked in that I 

2154
01:49:33,920 --> 01:49:36,320
shouldn't even you're. 
Telling me Zach Taylor doesn't 

2155
01:49:36,320 --> 01:49:38,720
want to sign some Ajay. 
Pi shouldn't even put it into 

2156
01:49:38,760 --> 01:49:42,120
the ether because it will be so 
bad for me if that. 

2157
01:49:42,120 --> 01:49:45,640
Happens own too, because it's 
like, got a bet on talent, got a

2158
01:49:45,640 --> 01:49:47,440
bet on talent. 
And then we take a big bag of 

2159
01:49:47,440 --> 01:49:52,640
this guy and some Ajay P Ryan 
shows up and we're like, look. 

2160
01:49:53,240 --> 01:49:56,960
If Sumash P Run gets traded for 
a conditional seventh round pick

2161
01:49:56,960 --> 01:50:00,200
to the Bengals, I might just 
take that as a sign to not play 

2162
01:50:00,280 --> 01:50:02,720
like it's like enough enough. 
That's gonna. 

2163
01:50:06,160 --> 01:50:07,240
Be tough, man. 
That'll be tough. 

2164
01:50:07,960 --> 01:50:09,000
Yeah, Let's not have that 
happen. 

2165
01:50:10,000 --> 01:50:12,720
He's he's got some outs. 
It's disgusting, but it's it's 

2166
01:50:12,720 --> 01:50:14,600
gonna happen. 
All right, guys. 

2167
01:50:14,600 --> 01:50:16,480
Are you? 
Directing him now, are you? 

2168
01:50:16,600 --> 01:50:20,720
Are you waiting? 
No, I he's been my emergency. 

2169
01:50:20,720 --> 01:50:24,080
Like I I'd take Clyde Edwards 
Hilaire over him, but if if CEH 

2170
01:50:24,080 --> 01:50:27,800
is gone and we're in like Tank 
Bigsby, like Will Shipley 

2171
01:50:27,800 --> 01:50:30,480
territory, that's when I'm 
clicking P Ron at that point, 

2172
01:50:30,520 --> 01:50:33,120
like he, he's my breaking case 
of emergency right now. 

2173
01:50:33,920 --> 01:50:37,000
Pick the Chargers. 
The Chargers, I'm gonna move him

2174
01:50:37,200 --> 01:50:39,200
to that range. 
Because like, honestly, if he 

2175
01:50:39,200 --> 01:50:41,960
doesn't get caught, then what? 
That just means that the Broncos

2176
01:50:41,960 --> 01:50:44,480
want him in that same role last 
year where he caught like 50 

2177
01:50:44,480 --> 01:50:45,880
passes. 
And you know what? 

2178
01:50:45,880 --> 01:50:48,440
If Jaleel gets hurt or something
right like. 

2179
01:50:48,440 --> 01:50:49,880
Well, well, it's not. 
That bad of a setup? 

2180
01:50:50,080 --> 01:50:54,800
I guess that means estimate and 
and the other guy Watson don't 

2181
01:50:54,800 --> 01:50:58,160
don't make the team. 
Yeah, probably means like 

2182
01:50:58,240 --> 01:51:00,440
estimate his knee scope. 
Watson's surgery. 

2183
01:51:01,040 --> 01:51:03,000
Yeah, Watson makes the team. 
P Ron's done. 

2184
01:51:04,000 --> 01:51:06,240
Well, if Watson makes the team, 
McLaughlin might be done. 

2185
01:51:06,480 --> 01:51:07,640
Right, right. 
Yeah. 

2186
01:51:08,400 --> 01:51:11,600
Yeah, but P Ron in the setup on 
the Broncos, like Sage Avante 

2187
01:51:11,600 --> 01:51:15,840
gets hurt man P Ron would I 
mean, who else is going to take 

2188
01:51:15,840 --> 01:51:17,400
like the between the tackles 
carries there? 

2189
01:51:17,400 --> 01:51:21,200
I guess that's yesterday, but 
but yeah, I yeah, that's the. 

2190
01:51:21,200 --> 01:51:23,240
Problem with the Broncos? 
There's always like two other 

2191
01:51:23,240 --> 01:51:27,640
guys it could be. 
Yeah, and it's not, it's not 

2192
01:51:27,640 --> 01:51:29,200
even. 
And and it's like it's like, oh,

2193
01:51:29,280 --> 01:51:32,120
you guys aren't taking Cortland 
Sutton as the wide receiver one 

2194
01:51:32,120 --> 01:51:34,560
for the Broncos. 
And it's like, great, it's Week 

2195
01:51:34,560 --> 01:51:37,080
15 and Lil Jordan just led the 
team in targets and. 

2196
01:51:37,080 --> 01:51:39,440
You're like, I'm still mad at 
Sam for not doing that threat at

2197
01:51:39,440 --> 01:51:41,880
Sam's. 
Sam's Cortland Sutton is going 

2198
01:51:41,880 --> 01:51:44,920
behind two Titans receivers. 
It's just, it's just sitting 

2199
01:51:44,920 --> 01:51:46,320
there for all of a sudden you 
won't do it. 

2200
01:51:46,320 --> 01:51:49,280
The thread, the thread for me 
would be Josh Reynolds Crane. 

2201
01:51:49,280 --> 01:51:51,680
It's a it's a mystery. 
To my friends, come on. 

2202
01:51:54,320 --> 01:51:58,000
Josh Reynolds is locked into 
three wide receiver sets for Bow

2203
01:51:58,000 --> 01:51:59,520
Nicks. 
For bow Nicks. 

2204
01:52:00,320 --> 01:52:02,960
For Remember Jameson Williams in
2023. 

2205
01:52:03,280 --> 01:52:05,160
Do you guys remember Debri 
Henderson? 

2206
01:52:05,200 --> 01:52:07,680
Cause boy do I. 
You're right, I I misread that. 

2207
01:52:08,200 --> 01:52:12,440
Yeah. 
All right, guys, let's get out 

2208
01:52:12,440 --> 01:52:14,800
of here. 
Crane legendary upside. 

2209
01:52:14,800 --> 01:52:16,720
I saw Sacri just had who's in 
the chat here. 

2210
01:52:16,720 --> 01:52:20,080
I saw he had a cool new article 
on legendary upside. 

2211
01:52:20,120 --> 01:52:22,600
Any anything else you want to 
mention going on there? 

2212
01:52:23,080 --> 01:52:24,080
Yeah, that came out this 
morning. 

2213
01:52:24,080 --> 01:52:26,920
Some good stuff in there on 
diversification and specifically

2214
01:52:27,280 --> 01:52:29,640
some really interesting thoughts
on how to attack the Sprint 

2215
01:52:29,640 --> 01:52:31,520
format. 
So if you're interested in that 

2216
01:52:32,920 --> 01:52:36,120
really almost in a sense how not
to attack the Sprint format, as 

2217
01:52:36,120 --> 01:52:40,200
we discussed you, you want to be
more diversified in that format 

2218
01:52:40,200 --> 01:52:42,040
than others. 
And he gave some really good 

2219
01:52:42,040 --> 01:52:45,000
examples in that in that piece. 
So check that out. 

2220
01:52:46,200 --> 01:52:48,760
And I'm going to have a article 
on running backs out later this 

2221
01:52:48,760 --> 01:52:53,000
week, so look for that. 
legendaryupside.com/perks You 

2222
01:52:53,000 --> 01:52:56,160
can see how to get $50 
underground credit with a yearly

2223
01:52:56,160 --> 01:52:57,600
subscription. 
Still have some of those 

2224
01:52:57,600 --> 01:53:01,280
available. 
Awesome, Davis, I see you're 

2225
01:53:01,360 --> 01:53:05,160
you're back to riding on 
automatic absolutes. 

2226
01:53:05,160 --> 01:53:10,240
Yeah, officially I've done more 
automatic absolutes than Cavish.

2227
01:53:10,280 --> 01:53:14,240
So that feels that feels like 
like a win sports, good fantasy 

2228
01:53:14,240 --> 01:53:18,360
football podcast take cast, all 
of the all that stuff. 

2229
01:53:20,120 --> 01:53:22,600
Sounds good. 
All right, guys, We'll be back 

2230
01:53:22,600 --> 01:53:24,000
next week. 
Peace.