Hello everybody and welcome to week, 9 of Statue acing, the NFL
trade deadline erupted with the tongue moves today with a lot of
fantasy. Relevant players, switching
teams, we have not him Hines going to the bills.
Jeff Wilson on his way to the Dolphins.
Chase Claypool is now Chicago Bear and many more I'm here.
As always with my co-host. Connor O'Driscoll also known as
Echo here to break down all of the trades to impact the rest of
the fantasy season, as well as other important Trends from
week. Eight Connor.
How's it going with you? How are you feeling with this
crazy NFL trade deadline? Well, the yeah, the NFL is
drunk. So I'm on my way as well, I
actually looked I looked in my fridge, trying to grab a drink
as well as I heard, you're going to be drinking on the show but I
drink myself clean this past. Ken, so unfortunately can't
can't be joining you but living. Yeah.
I mean, I can't this is weird. I mean the NFL trade deadline.
I feel like, historically, has been very quiet.
We always get hyped up for it and nothing happens this year.
I mean along with the McCaffrey and Tony deals come in a couple
weeks before it it really feels like that.
I fell is starting to trade more than they ever have.
Yeah, I absolutely love it to be honest.
I think it's seems to be all part of a trend towards more,
kind of like aggressive going for it.
Like maybe this is bullshit but I think of it in terms of well
teams are going for it. Now on fourth down more often
like teams are more willing to pull the Triggers on these
trades. And it's, I it's the same to be
like, hey, You at you can't get anywhere unless you're willing
to take some chances. Yeah, I agree with that and it
seems like they're then sort of a long inefficiency and then if
we're teams weren't willing to trade draft picks or proven
talent, and I like to see, I mean, you can criticize some of
the trades, right? Like the lion, the Vikings, you
know, TJ hogenson. Hasn't shown a ton in the NFL
today with the second round pick.
But hey, they're six and one or maybe even 71 after last week.
Either way, there they have a great record herb.
Smith is out and they're going for it and I think It's the type
of move that you have to make, especially in a year where I
think like part of this is driven by the fact that the NFC
and an NFL in general feels a lot more wide open than it ever
has been. I think that see the bills and
chief still look pretty strong but then I see you have the
Eagles. And then I mean I don't think
there's any consensus on who and how you rank the NFC teams after
that. So sweet.
And I saw a tweet earlier today that said something along the
lines of the egos go going for it on Fourth and goal in the
Super Bowl. Kind of like was it broke a
plane almost in terms of like how team saw fourth down
decision making, where's the Rams?
Just like saying, fuck them kids at and winning a Super Bowl.
I think that that's, that was probably a bit of a mindset, a
mindset shift in, what good team building.
It looks like. And I'm not saying that it is
good team building but it's definitely exciting.
Yeah. Yeah, I'm with you there.
So anyways, let's we didn't have time to chat before the show.
But Connor, I think we do something slightly different
here. I know we have a decent amount
of live viewers tuned in and everyone wants to hear about the
trade so why don't we jump into the running back position to
start and Skip quarterback so we can get right after talking
through some of these trades at the running back and wide
receiver position. Is that that sound good to you.
So you want to talk through the running backs broadly at First
or just the specific guys who were traded?
Yeah, I think so. I'll pull up the charts here.
Well, is that looking weird too or just me?
Okay now, okay, sorry about that.
Sorry, what I was what I was thinking is Connor.
We just pull up starting running back charts and talk through it
as always. But why don't we like make sure
to cover the relevant trades? And yeah, you're like, wouldn't
normally do kind of like injuries and contingent value
that sort of thing? Yeah, yeah, that sounds good.
Okay, so for everyone following along, we're jumping right into
the running backs here, we'll jump back to quarterback at the
end. Just a lot of interesting trades
situations to discuss here at running back.
So on this chart again we're looking Running back, expected
fantasy points and efficiency on the y-axis.
Here, we have receiving expecting fantasy points per
game. On the x-axis, we have rushing
fantasy points per game. You put those together, you get
an idea of a total workload for each of the running backs here
in the AFC, so-called are looking at this chart here.
I think perhaps the first trade that we can discuss here is the
Infants, make the moves the Dolphins made today.
They sent Chase Edmunds to the Broncos and sort of swapped him
out with Jeff. Wilson coming to sort of take
his place, perhaps on the Dolphins we had seen in past
weeks. Raheem moster really consolidate
the the snap share and workload here in Miami.
What do you think the overall effects on Rahim most it is of
Jeff Wilson coming in and Chase Edmunds leave Ting.
And so if probably is in that - for moster, and I would say that
just because we already knew that most are just beat Jack
Chase, Edmunds, like you just better than them and and I think
he kind of did that to a Jeff Wilson.
He's already done that to Jeff Wilson Drew out his 49ers
career. But and It's the chase Edmunds
was probably the ideal backfield like not committee will
committee mate. Where's there's probably only
room for two to be a worse situation for most dirt than
Chase Edmunds. And so if I think that it
probably, you probably have a bit of more of it at wonder and
lightning a Here. And but I do think that Mozart
has been good enough that what? Like when he plays it, good
things happen for the Dolphins. And so I think he does have that
kind of security and that like as long as he keeps playing
that. Well and I'm not particularly
worried about his like starting value and but it's a pretty
probably and this is a total guess.
Probably not the Workhorse after a game or two maybe to get Jeff
Lewis in acclimatized. Yeah, I think I'm with you
there. Where it's I think there's more
downside risks in the situation where it seemed to be an
approach to kind of equilibrium where most sure to beat out
Edmonds. Now, that equilibrium
equilibrium is kind of thrown into flocks with Wilson
arriving, I'm just looking at the numbers here in terms of how
efficient each bit back has been on the respective teams most
yards. At according to FS data, -0.1 F,
P0 e per game. We're at I'm sorry, most routes
that -0.6 fantasy points over expected per game.
So slightly less efficient than you would expect.
Where Wilson is that -0.1 fantasy points over expect a
game. So similar similar range there
for each of those guys, but Wilson actually has been
slightly more efficient. So I think there's some risk and
the other thing I'd throw out is I think Wilson and Mozart have
really duplicative skill sets in a way that Edmonds and most
Ardent. So I do think there's some risk
here where they they sort of you Wilson as a backup and
complement to what moisture does and they view maybe miles Gaskin
as the backup to Edmonds and it becomes a scenario where maybe
there's a three-man split with Gaskin involved.
I don't think that's likely. I think it's I think it will
probably romantic again but Yeah, it's possible now with
with Edmonds gone that becomes a three man split.
So yeah, now go ahead. So the only thing I it does seem
like the the Dolphins did prepared to have it be a to back
split and am the only reason they are.
The reason the Edmond schools getting phased out was just
because he didn't play very well.
So yeah, if the only thing about the way I'm thinking about it,
is it Jeff Wilson? I think Jeff Wilson has to play
bad for a ped to wear to crack him for touches.
Whereas I think that most I know and I know the F P0 e hasn't
been great. I think most is playing good
enough that he still going to be like the dominant share.
Even if even if the I see a man's main path to getting on
the field is Jeff will something firstly?
It's how I say that's guess. Yeah.
Yeah, that's good point. So yeah, yeah I think I see it.
Similarly I think we can move on to another situation but yeah I
think we see it the same way most sure is likely.
If we were to sort of summarize our points, their most shirt is
likely to remain the lead in this backfield though.
We think will Austin is probably better than Edmonds.
So maybe there's a bit more risk that it's closer to 5050 whereas
the past few weeks that have really been most stirred
dominating the sort of snap share there.
Moving on to another trade within the AFC, we had the Colts
and bills doing a bit of a running back swap with the bills
sending Zack Moss along with some pics over to the Colts in
exchange for not him Hines. So I think let's start with
discussing the bills Back Field here, I think that's the more
interesting situation. Of how it's played out so far is
Devin. Singletary has taken a pretty
clear lead in workload, here. He shouted sort of the ten to
Fifteen expected fantasy, points range and neither James Cook nor
Zack Moss. Even really up here on this
chart, I don't think they even appear on our other snap charts
so it really had been Devon Singletary, taking full control
over this backfield. How do you see it now with
Singletary? Cook.
And hi. Heinz, join the mix.
How do you think this vacuole? Is going to shake out the rest
of the way so and I think it's a little bit similar in that
Singletary. Had like just taking this down
and grab of the backfield because at particularly Zack
moss on the performed and now you're bringing in somebody who
is unlikely to underperform to that same degree.
So, You just have to it's Zach. And he times is going to play
more snaps, get more opportunities than Zack monsters
getting. And I think that he it like,
it's pretty clear that Hans was brought in to be the kind of
like receiving back and that they've been looking for a
receiving back, the compliment Singletary for quite a while and
looking pretty hard. And so I think that I think that
Heinz is probably going to play that role and one thing.
So one thing that I had to look at and had a look at this for a
couple of the running back. So I just use the rotor, this
Greener. Which, what's fun about the
screener is that you can, you can narrow down these static
expected points. That's the stuff like turned
down. And so what I did was I actually
at narrow down expected It's tutored and 4-door longer, and,
and on 3rd and 4th or longer. At the Buffalo, running backs
have 48 games for last eight games.
I've had just five expected points.
And so if that's if, if the, if it's the kind of like clear
passing down roll that what you call it Heinz is going to come
in for. I don't I don't think that's
like that valuable for both of them.
And just because it they they're pretty efficient.
So those kind of third and long that they don't get in those
situations, as often as other teams and then they use our
running backs in those situation way less than other teams just
because they've got other good options.
And so it really comes down to how much of the are lie down
work. Can that Heinz take and I'm sure
he can take a little bit of it, but am I?
I do think that it's still going to be.
I think he's definitely going to be kind of the one, a single
there is still going to be the one.
A just probably not quite as valuable as he was in the last
few weeks. Yeah, I agree.
That's the most likely median outcome.
I do want to bring up with with Singletary.
I did a quick sort of look at fantasy points over expected.
Again, comparing Singletary and cook and and this is a small
sample for cook, right? Relatively few touches.
But for the season Singletary is underperforming, his expected
fantasy points at -1 fantasy points under expected per game.
Whereas cook, Is over performing his role with .8 fantasy points
over expected per game. So I just wanted to bring that
up to point out. That while Singletary has
emerged as clearly the top back by percent of snaps by how the
coaching staff use him. Maybe that's sort of a trust
Factor Don passing downs and pass blocking, whatever it might
be, he's clearly emerged there from a staff perspective, but he
has not emerged from an efficiency perspective.
So if I Can give one piece of a push back or just slight
disagreement. And so I always like to look at
and the expected points in terms of one thing that is nice about
PFF, they give you the expected points for yardage and then the
expected points from it. Touchdowns and so, one of the
big reasons that Singletary has a negative fantasy points over
expected, is because his expected touchdowns he showed
have by their models two touchdowns.
When he has that are two rushing touchdowns, he does have a
receiving touchdown and what he has zero.
So that's that that is that's like - 12 at points and and he's
slightly under on the receiving touchdowns and I guess to me
that's like the obviously the touchdowns are really important
but that's like the most volatile hard to roll, forward
project forward, part of the expected.
Points. Sure, or over expected.
And so I guess and I see if he's over his expected, receiving
yards and buy a decent amount. So he actually not maybe not
decent, he has 323 rushing yards.
Where is he should have expected 205 rushing yards and Yeah.
Now that a good way to look at it.
Yeah that's that's very pushed back and I guess other point is
it's oh yeah I see that a large part of his under expectation is
do two touchdowns. I also do think though that we
have a lot of data so that's supporting the fact that Devin
Singletary is just not. He's kind of a nothing in the
passing game. He showed that last year, I
think it was one of the worst wide receiver running backs in
terms of yards per outrun again. This year 0.98 yards per out.
Ron Singletary versus 2.79 for cook.
So, again, small sample, right? You know, I don't think cook
would maintain that on a larger role but I do think there is
something here where the bills want to upgrade their passing
down back. It's weird that they didn't just
do that by giving James Cook a bigger role because it seems
like he's shown enough now on his snaps to deserve that.
But I do think there's some risk to, to your Point you know,
where he started things off, we're Hines will get more snaps
and Zack Moss. Did I think that is the risk
here for Singletary? Where if this becomes a
three-man committee instead of just the two men, I think
Singletary, could sort of lose his, his weekly viability.
I think he's the median outcome again, is that he maintains the
lead here. We've seen that last year.
We've seen at this, thus far this year, but I think Take that
snap share again. If we go forward to this slide,
he's had a top-five role in terms of percent of routes and
Rush attempts of any running back in the league.
I have a really hard time believing that will hold going
forward. I'd see him more unlike the, the
far right-hand side of this chart verse that, the far left
hand side going forward. So, I do think he takes a decent
hit just by, not being on the field.
Yeah. I mean, they've replaced that
they've replaced Zack Moss. So it probably does look closer
to how the split was area in the.
And I know we're still early season but in weeks, let's say 1
thru tree. Donna has for True eight.
Yeah, and I think Stephanie had an interesting question in the
chat. Will Hines bees in the slot to
you. Think I'm always skeptical of
the running back being used in the slot.
I'll kind of believe. It when I see it, but that's
something I'm going to closely watch next week.
Does Hines, get some slots that's at the expense of Isaiah
Mackenzie. I think Mackenzie is sort of had
some bad plays, just fumbles drops that sort of thing the
past couple weeks. So maybe maybe there's a chance
that Heinz gets involved there in the slot.
But again, with these running backs, be used as a wide
receiver. I want to see it before.
I really buy into that. Are you on the same page there?
And you think yeah, yeah. I am.
Yeah, you know, like it's always one.
It's one of those things that's always easy to like Envision and
at have an idea in your head up, like them using this Dynamic
playmaker in that way. But teams just seemed hesitant
to give their running back significant receiving steps.
Yeah, yeah. It's it's very, it's very rare
that we see that sort of narrative work out.
Who knows with Buffalo. It will definitely track that
going forward. I think the final thing I guess
were to hit on AFC running backs here, I do you think this this
situation has gone a bit under the radar, compared to the other
teams, the Colt. Let's talk about the Colts so
they lose nine him Hines. I also think Jonathan Taylor
suffered a bit of a setback in the game with his ankle injury.
It's not clear if that's going to keep him out, I think he
taped it off and continue playing.
Yeah. But you know, we saw that was
equal two weeks ago, right? Where he suffered in game
injury, he finished the game and then was out the next week
because of that in-game injury, right?
So I'm the adrenaline for these guys and they return to the
game, then this can still be out.
So, we'll see you on Taylor but I'm interested in the the
running back to situation now in Indianapolis with, with Taylor
potentially injured or limited going forward, we have Zack Moss
coming in. We have Deon Jackson Who flashed
Big receiving upside in his one game as a stop a spot starter.
Think we still have Phillip Lindsay in the mix as well.
Are there any of these Colts running backs that you're
interested in going forward as the rb2 and in the app and
Indianapolis? And I think it probably is Deon
Jackson right where they've traded away.
And In Hinds and they've traded for Zack Moss.
But if I'm being honest, I will find it whatever way I can, I
can use and leverage the fade Zack Moss.
I'm gonna, I'm gonna push that foot in every time like for as
long as he's in the NFL, I'm going to look for ways of that
against him flying. Yeah, he's really not, not very
good. I think that's yeah, I'm in the
same boat, like we saw a little bit of upside for Deon Jackson.
Aye, I think the Zack Moss thing was just a throw-in in the deal.
I don't have the Colts, you know, we're going out of their
way to get sack Moss. It was maybe something to make
the salaries work, I don't know. But yeah, I like Deon Jackson.
And yeah, I this is a good thing to bring up JT's.
Ankle look pretty swollen. Yeah, he after that.
Injury. He doesn't look quite right out
there and you just start to wonder.
It's looking like a Lost season for the colds, they're trading
away, you know, they're bringing in Sam ehlinger at quarterback,
the trading away, not him Hines, like, you have to wonder if
they're going to be cautious with JT on sort of a Lost season
where maybe they're even outwardly tanking to some
extent. So, I'm pretty interested in
Deon Jackson. I think he's probably available
in a lot of leagues. Eggs, and I'll be making some
some bids for him where he's available.
All right. I mean, I'm sure.
Yeah. Okay.
That was hitting on all the trades in the AFC.
I don't think we covered the one we did in corporate.
Was that we did not cover. Chase Edmunds.
Good point. Chase Edmunds.
The Broncos? Yep.
Yeah, I had some thoughts on it and so the the Broncos coaching
staff, they've said that the tape Is Marie and Melvin Gordon.
Are you going to be the 1A 1B and early down starters?
And they brought in Chase Edmunds to be the the layer that
the turd down back. And so actually this is why this
is the first reason that I had my look at a which teams use our
running backs entered for or longer and and so there's a
Broncos actually 9th and And the percentage of expected points
going to running backs on 3rd and 4th or longer and they've
actually generated among the highest amount of points for for
backs are. So they expected points for
backs in that situation. But the problem is that, that is
still a mending to only tree expected points per game and so
to be fantasy viable. And in that, Roll.
You either need to be able to be really good, really efficient,
or you also need to be able to crack the area or down work.
And I think that given what we've just seen from Chase
Edmunds and the, it's neither of those things look too likely.
And so I think for me I'm not too interested especially given
the that's the Broncos. And the offense is not Nothing
good and and you have the two running backs to?
Yeah, I agree. It's not a situation that jumps
out to me as interesting. Look, I mean, we assume a bunch
of our listeners play in these super deep leaves long benches.
Like I think Edmonds is certainly worth a roster spot if
he got dropped by somebody, you know, I don't think he's the
worst end of your bench. Liar, just because I think
Gordon has been really bad. I know people have talked about
how bad Edmonds has been, but Gordon has had major fumbling
issue. They've seen the team just
outright bench him for off the street latavius Murray.
He's at almost - to fantasy points under expected per game
so far this year, like, I don't think we're that far away from
him being a healthy scratch. And maybe I think what Edmonds
biggest strength was it. At least in Arizona seem to be
his past catching ability and maybe that part of his game
which is completely muted by the fact that the Dolphins don't
really use running backs and their passing game and they have
Tyree kill him. Jill and waddle.
So maybe Edmonds can do some of the receiving stuff we saw out
of Javonte earlier this year. But again, I'm just sort of
trying to make a case for him. I guess, if you're, if you were
to force me to say, you can pick one Denver, Broncos, running
back to stash on your bench right now.
I I think I would pick Edmonds just because it's the highest
upside play. But the floor is really low.
Like, you're not starting him over all.
I'm like, not, not that excited. Yeah, makes sense.
And I do think it's worth pointing out as well.
Got a Miami, they do really have.
This is a low total pie expected points for running backs or at
least so far this year and whereas Denver have been a good
bit higher than that. And so in terms of like
expected, it's probably a better expected points environment.
Yeah. That Miami.
And probably, I guess what you call it worse at competition or
better competition for if you want to bet against them.
And And I guess it is still one where and I'm pretty wary of,
but yeah. Maybe on a deeper bench.
He, he does deserve to be trusted.
Yeah, I think like if you know if I chase them into my team I'm
I'm more excited than I was about it in Miami right because
he was toast. Yeah, he was done in my he was
done in Miami barring injury. Now I think he has like a some
path to Fantasy relevance even without injury.
And if that back heel goes down to two running backs, like, you
know, people have been hating on the Broncos but it's still a
team that is Lying a decent pie of total fantasy workload.
To the running back position, so it's yeah, it's just like, it's
a slight wind for admins but not like something.
I'm celebrating. If I have him on my team, okay,
they traded them away. Would you say he was so bad?
They were happy to get rid of them?
Yeah, he was, he was really bad but a lot of the, the advanced
metrics he which I don't have up right now, but I've heard cited
multiple times just how he's Art of ranks as one of the worst
running backs in the league, across a ton of rushing
receiving metrics at the position.
So not somebody we should have too much faith in the other
running back and they say I want to hit on.
Before we go on to the NFC was Ramon, Dre.
I think it's notable now that we've had two weeks of Damien,
Harris, being active and Ramon Dre has remained in sort of this
near Workhorse roll. Or again he out snaps Damien
Harris, quite significantly in week eight.
He had 49 snaps to Harris's 3125 routes Terraces 17, you know, so
on and so forth. Seven targets for to freres. 16
carries first, 11 for Harris. So yes, here it is.
Harris is getting more workload than the Pierre strong.
Kevin Harris guys were getting But it's really exciting to see
your Madre. Hang on to this one, a role with
the passing down work in this offense.
So wanted to bring that up and any thoughts on honor Madre, or
any other guys you want to talk about here?
And not really definitely agree, exciting.
The Sierra Madre, get this stronger workload.
And I will say, I'm a little bit surprised that he's that dusting
Damien, Hirst, this sad this hard given that Damon Harris has
just been a good NFL player. And so I there is a part of me
that wonders. If there is some kind of
niggling injury for Damien Harris and as the season goes
on, it goes back to 50 split and but having said that I've got
I've definitely got a ton of room Andre and been super
excited to see ya, how well he's been playing.
Agreed. All right, let's move on.
Then to to the NFC version of this chart, and again, let me
quickly check my notes, are there any running backs?
And then if I guess the 49ers situation, we can talk about
because Jeff Wilson departed. I thought tweetdeck that you
should you should pick up CMC and start him with confidence in
every day. Yeah, yeah.
For all those leagues, where people dropped.
You know, I dropped Christmas. Traffic Christian McCaffrey in
my leagues after you only got 10 carries in its first week.
The San Francisco I thought it was I thought it was droppable
so you should pick him back up in those type of leagues.
You're forwarding a five dollar five did.
Yeah. And your for team, you're 14
leagues. He's definitely worth the pick
up now but I do think that like again, this this show is kind of
catered towards deeper leagues. I think we should talk about the
San Running back to situation because you know we know San
Francisco there looked like a pretty good team that's an
offense that were McCaffrey to go down you would definitely
want a piece of that backfield. Do you have thoughts?
They're sort of a bunch of guys to talk about here.
You li Mitchell is may be back at some point TDP.
I think it's either been healthy scratch or not really playing
much. I don't know who else is still
there. They signed a bunch of guys, the
practice squad. Do you have thoughts on how to
play the SF? going back to situation on the
waiver wire this week and I mean I guess if somebody drops a
larger Mitchell definitely work and definitely weren't rostering
and outside of that, it's a tricky one because CMC for
Carolina for so many years when he's healthy is just T.
So good, that he counts for this massive share of the ring back
work. And like you, if he's on your
team, you want to use them on the go along.
You want him using it as a, receiving back and it it's kind
of hard to see a lot of value left over.
And, and so then you're left with pure contingency.
Ace. And the problem with, for me at
least would have contingency playing the situation is okay.
Well, first you have to rewrite that Christian McCaffrey go
down, and then you have to be right about which player to use.
And in my mind, with some, what the kind of caliber of, some of
these guys are not being, I get the pedigree, isn't that high?
And so This would be a Back Field where I would expect if
CMC goes down with the exception of a larger Mitchell then a
larger mesh up becomes probably those become and the and the
clear starter and but yeah outside of that likey even if
the the Red Sea opens up for TDP it does feel like to me that
they're just bringing in this clown car of like practice squad
room. earning backs, and it's going to be at reform on
committee and I know there's no such thing as a for my
community, but at it's still hard for me to see even in that
situation of there being enough Yeah I agree.
I think maybe you know, one to ten dollar bids on TDP is fine.
This week if a if a larger Mitchell was dropped, nearly guy
think he is a priority. Add I just saw this report, you
know, I haven't looked into it a ton but apparently according to
CBS, he is aiming to play in week 10.
So that's only a few more weeks, I guess one more week without
integral. So that's interesting too.
Me. I think I would be you know in
the hundred fish range out of 1,000 budget for Eli Mitchell
just because I think there could be some Standalone value.
If you're really desperate like he's not someone you want to
start but I think they could you know just just look at the snaps
from this week. They did have I think 20% of the
snaps they had two running backs on the field.
If I'm doing the math correctly, out of a total of 53, snaps
McCaffrey got B3, Jeff Wilson got 19.
So that's a decent overlap of both those guys in the same
field. Anyways, we're getting in really
into the weeds here, but I think Mitchell just be mostly.
Because the condition upside, I agree with the most your point
that it's basically a contingent upside play.
I think he's sort of a priority, add off the waiver wire just
because of how they've used them in the past, I think he's
talented and yeah, I think this is a good point.
By historical anomalies that it makes sense.
That if they traded Wilson, they think Mitchell is closed.
I kind of agree with that. That logic that I think the
49ers value the running back depth and they probably wouldn't
have shipped off Wilson. If they thought Mitchell was
still months from from returning.
Yeah. I think that makes sense for
sure and Yeah, I and I guess it does make sense to have some
value on a contingent play like that, where we know that absent
CMC, he Elijah Mitchell would be the Workhorse.
Like there's very few situations in finding and, and fantasy
football or the NFL where, you know, that this guy is the
Workhorse. If the sr2 goes down, but it
does seem like to me that it is kind of like a pure Cure
handcuffed yeah it's yeah I think it's one of the best.
It would be one of the best handcuffs that I can think of
right now. Outside of, you know, the super
obvious mass and Pollard agent Dylan, you know, those type of
guys I think I think Mitchell joins that tier of elite elite
handcuffed once he comes back and to be honest, people were
drafting those guys like early-ish.
Like maybe maybe not, I in some cases, I am like Tony Pollard.
I think was expected to have a sound of on Roll, whereas
Alexander Madison was drafted. Earley enough just on pure
handcuff value. So getting him for fob is
definitely good and you don't really want to drop them unless
you're absolutely desperate. But I don't, I don't think you
really want to drop them. No, but I definitely saw
Double-check our statue Racing League.
I feel like I saw him dropped that.
I've definitely seen him drop in some other leagues.
So anyways that's definitely I'm double checking on that
situation and all my leagues. If you lie, what Eli Mitchell is
out there, Connor moving on from the 49ers, I think with Ronnie
Rivers showing up in the chart for the first time it's
appropriate we talk about the Rams clusterfuck at running
back. I think Ronnie Rivers actually
led the team in carries this past week and let me pull this
up, just double check. Yes.
Ronnie Rivers, led, the team in carries with eight Henderson,
still slightly out, snapped him, 24 to 21.
Malcolm Brown also mixed in with 13 snap.
So this was really like a true three-man committee.
I don't know how cool sick right.
Yeah. It's I think he had like about
like flew in over 700 did. Yeah.
Okay I miss that regardless. I think like we've seen this a
lot with Henderson this year where he leads the team in snaps
and just doesn't really do shit. Like I guess with we're you
drafted him, he's been okay. But I don't know I don't know
what it is like, is it a symptom of the Rams offense just being
Look in that they can't really generate any points at running
back is Henderson. Just I made this comp last week
when I saw him was on the show that Henderson's almost playing
like that Daria Goomba male role from the box, you know, from
four or five years ago, that of a deep cut.
But basically like a past catching back that runs all the
routes, but doesn't get targeted and like, doesn't really get
carries. It's just weird like high snap
chair, but terrible like Fantasy Point.
Usage roll. Anyways, I'm sort of stumbling
around here, but do you have any read on this Rams backfield or
any way to attack it going forward?
It just seems like a lost cause to me at this point.
And yeah, I I largely agree and I do think that maybe when him
there are Henderson, maybe maybe on a week where he, he's not
sick in the lead-up, maybe there is still something there and but
it is still such a yellow. It's kind of a nightmare
situation for Fantasy Football, where they don't give this high
percentage of expected. It's two running backs in the
first place and except for going on calories and they haven't
been getting their doubt often and them if they're, if it's
going to be little it, I mean even even them.
How do I say this? even if it's getting split up in
in, in When he if it's still getting split up like that when
he's not sick. Yeah.
And it's, there's better. This better fishing territory, I
guess. Yeah.
Yeah, I agree. And again, we're now looking
moving on for those following Along on video.
We're now looking at the running back snaps and usage chart just
quickly quickly want to pull that up to make the phone with
Henderson that I don't know what you, I mean to come up with a
term for this type of role. It's kind of similar to
Singletary where they have high routes and Russia Thames
percent, but it's mostly routes and it's mostly empty routes.
So they're kind of Henderson and Singletary or these unique
weird, sort of backs where they're out there for a lot of
snaps in theory. You would think they're like,
decent by Lowe's, but the team just doesn't really give any
points to the running back position.
And, you know, singletary's on the bill.
So he has that upside at least where I think he could stumble
into a two touchdown game just because he's on the bills.
Whereas Henderson on the rims broken, ol0 line right now,
it's, it's hard to see that happening for him, but anyways,
I think that was, that was good coverage of the Rams before you
move onto water Seaver. I wanted to make a couple a
couple Points one, I think the Kenneth Walker stuff is really
exciting again. He's still somewhat muted on
this chart. With only about 40% of his
team's route / Rush attempts but this week, he passed the test of
having Travis Homer wrote in return from ir, and he still led
the team and staff. So I think even had more a
higher percentage of Team staffs.
Add weeks passed out of 64 snaps.
He had 49 to only 14 for Homer 52.
DJ at Dallas. He doubled up, Travis Homer and
routes run, doubled them up in targets, just two to one and
obviously led the team in carry. So this Kenneth Walker role, I
think, is actually better than I even expected because he's sort
of icing these. These passing down specialist
more and more. And yeah, I'll take a question
to you do. You think he is a top?
Top 10 running back for the rest of season in fantasy.
You know I think he's a top ten. Yeah yeah for sure top five top
five, let me see. I think he could be yeah I think
ordering I think, in terms of like, if I think about running
backs, who could end up scoring a lot of touchdowns and haven't
massive place to get them there. Like he's deaf.
He's definitely up there and what Yeah, it's a tough.
Tough five might be a little bit.
That's, that's a bit tougher to be confident in.
Yeah, I think it's tough eyes. May be a little aggressive just
because there's there's guys just with much higher, you know,
projectable receiving workloads that, right?
But yeah, yeah. He's kind of like a Nick Chubb
plus role and he's kind of like doing the Nick Chubb thing where
you just you know his efficiency almost seems projectable I know.
It's tough to say that other guy.
Guys played seven, career games, whatever and Kenneth Walker.
But he's kind of almost entering that territory for me, where I
think the right over performance is somewhat projectable.
So I think. Yeah.
I think like maybe in the running back, like eight, eight
to 12 range of sort of how I would probably project him for
us to season, but I think he has top five upside of some things
for sure. And I think it's been hot, it's
been pretty positive for him, because when Penny went down, we
called them a dollar store. Rick job and then we're calling
him. I don't know like Target at Nick
Chubb. Let's see what's where did the
rich people shop? Yeah, I don't know, department
store next to Apartment Store, Nick Chubb, Whole Foods.
Nick Chubb or yeah. That's a good one.
Yeah. Now I agree that at least and
and again, like to be cleared, I'm not calling a better Talent
than Nick Chubb, I think. Stuff to say that with
confidence but I'm saying that the role that he has right now
is pretty clearly better than chub.
Yeah. Wild that chub is not even on
this page. Yeah.
That that's what we're going on past weeks where Chubbs role is
just its unique right? In that he's still he only has
like 30 percent of his team's, you know, 30% routes and Russia
temps as a percentage. His team plays.
But when he's on the field, he's getting the ball like probably
every time he's out there close to it so it's slightly
misleading but I didn't the first week where he's not on the
front page, right? He wasn't he wasn't last week
either the way you missed. But yeah, it's also because His
role as I think. So, I'm now showing this at just
weeks five through eight. I think you had a couple weeks
to start the year where his role as a bit stronger because
they're in positive game scripts.
So anyways, any other running back points, you wanted to hit
on Connor, I think we can can move on to wide receiver if not
And I think it's interesting looking at this stat where James
Conner is following in where yeah, he's been mostly a root
only player and the the rush attempts is super though.
That's probably because of the game script and stuff like that
but still, that's so interesting.
Yeah, I think that that one is maybe a little misleading to
because so this is weeks five through eight.
I'm guessing one of those games. This is when he went out early
for injury but regardless the jams Connor role has just not
been, you know, even excluding that the James Conner role is
not been as strong as expected. He took, you're getting a lot of
go on calories and you haven't gotten them.
Yeah. Yeah, and you thought that with
Edmonds gone, he would get a bigger workload.
It actually that has not been the case with, you know,
Benjamin sort of emerging a little bit.
Yeah. So, anyways, looking now at wide
receiver. For those following along, we're
looking at wide receiver opportunity, reversed fantasy
points, and starting with the wide receivers that have Ron
more than 85% of their team's routes on the y-axis.
Here, we have fantasy points per game.
And on the x-axis, we have waited targets per outrun to
explain that metric. It is targets per outrun.
So for the percent of times on a route, the players earning a
Target, but waited by the players, average depth of
Target, such that a screen pass. Ass, you know doesn't count as
much as a 50-yard bomb down the field.
It sort of Weights opportunity based on how far down the field,
you are getting that Target that opportunity at the wide receiver
position. So that's the chart.
Those are the metrics before. We, there's a couple of Trades
we can hit on here again, Connor.
But I wanted to start with DeAndre Hopkins.
I mean, that's not. Yeah, it's crazy, right?
He's for those, you know, listening along gives 85%
weighted targets for outrun that is the best in the NFL, besides
Tyree kill. He is nearly breaking this chart
at at that extreme opportunity. So yeah, I was skeptical of
d-hop, a little bit coming into the year, but he clearly, I
don't know. He's clearly performing better
than he was last year, and he's clearly outperforming.
What Marquis Brown was doing in that offense, embarrassed to say
this, but the first game I saw him play back.
He looked and this is embarrassing to say almost.
He looked angry and that he was trying so hard to make up for
lost time. Like and and then you saw the
stuff on Twitter where he said something like, oh yeah, I'm
only turd. I'm 30 years old, I'm past my
Prime. I'm practically there.
And then obviously watched too much a ship chasing over the
summer and it just got I don't know what it is.
Well he just liked looked like he was trying to make every play
that he could and definitely and this is embarrassing is like one
of the most motivated players I've seen and and it's
definitely it's definitely coming across in the performance
and It's is a seasonal is obviously one of the best
players and he's fine like it. Yeah, I agree.
And I was going through the exercises today of, you know,
thinking through how many wide receivers if I was to draft an
see today, how many wide receivers or by pick ahead of
Hopkins? You know, let's pretend cup is
is healthy. I'm not going to throw the
injury into their I would take cop over him.
I would take Jefferson over him. I think I would take AJ, Brown
over him and then Tyree kill and digs, but then after that, I
think I would take him over to Vontae out, take him over my
cabins, take him / D Bo, you know, anyone else, you want to
throw out there, Jalen waddle, I think Hopkins would come, you
know, right in there at sort of my water Seaver, 5 or wide
receiver 6, right? Agreed.
Yeah. He's okay.
Yeah, Ron Waldo is where I'm starting to go.
Maybe probably what it doesn't feel that as that as, as
comfortable. So, that's probably exactly
where he should be. Yeah, yeah.
It's really Ben, you know, a perfect start for for DeAndre
Hopkins and his return, let's move on now to their region and
you move on past erect. Posture cover boy.
Are you not going to give me my 20 minutes to talk about?
All right. All right, take it away with
Rondell more, who I'll just slowly.
Let it be said that he does show up here in the cardio,
specialist tab, but go off on Rhonda.
So obviously he's getting, he's completely dusted.
And AJ Brown, actually, not AJ Brown and not a Drew Brown, and
Robbie Anderson. Who said, who said he was the
only major green AJ Green. Yeah, Easter.
He dusted him and snap share and he's averaging about
six-and-a-half targets, a game and which and I guess maybe you
do want to see a bit higher and but he, he's been, he's been
playing well with it. And he obviously had the big
game last week and I think that one thing that's maybe a little
bit disappointing, is that? So Last week last week, he he
had he had the big week but his at average that the target was
just one and a half but he did turn those at those one and a
half and he had just of that he had this 11 are yards then he
gave monkey to. He had 92 total yards so 85
yards off the couch and so I guess obviously And strong
performance for him and getting the Holly Roots getting the
targets at proud. Not really going to crack maybe
top 20 receivers on the season and I hope that's what that's
wrong and but definitely very I would consider a very startled
at receiver Yeah, I agree. And yeah he's I think there were
some concern that he would you know I think Greg dorit was
involved, AJ Green, they brought Robbie Anderson and I think
there was some concern that Rondell wouldn't hold on to this
massive role. But he's running all the routes
on this offense. I think this this team runs very
high percentage of three wide receiver sets.
So rondelle's going to be out there all the time and I think
with y'all Andre Hopkins out there instead of Marquis Brown.
It sort of allows it allows Rondell to do stuff that he's
more comfortable with the shorter.
A DOT targets with DeAndre Hopkins, taking a ton of tension
down field from the team's best cornerback.
So I like, you know, I like Rhonda like going forward again.
I think like it's a little bit of the, I don't know why
Lawndale Robinson, Curtis Samuel type effect where the low a DOT?
Gets are going to limit his upside but that doesn't mean he
can't be a good PPR starter. He's just probably never get on
merge into this Elite wide receiver, one wide receiver to
territory, you know, hard mode. If he goes.
He has to be truly. A truly exceptional.
Really Claire like people. Yep, I agree.
So the one wide receiver trade to break down.
Here was Chase Claypool going to the Bears.
Let's start on the Bears side of things with Chase, Claypool
coming into the mix it. You know, it's tough because I
want to ask, how does it impact Darnell Muniz fantasy season?
But people aren't even starting Mooney.
Anyways like I don't know, do you think maybe the more
interesting question is do you think Claypool has any life as a
fantasy asset on the Bears? He's probably going to a
situation that's going to wear. The team's going to pass a ton
last Also has less competition for targets.
So yeah. Is it you have any hope for
Claypool in in Chicago or how are you approaching the
situation? And I think it's probably a lot
better for the order to cago Bears down is for Claypool and
because I'm the biggest issue with with the Bears is they have
this their last in kosrae over expected and like is extremely
low. I think it's like mud To 17
percent. And we're like, they should be
one among the highest in the league in pass rate, but they're
actually like laughs and pass rate and which it that's kind of
hard to do. And it's hard to, it's hard for
a receiver to really produce in that environment.
And I mean, if I think about it, the fact that the other
receiving options, So bad. I mean they're so bad.
It's like, what's his name is Quinn?
Economists are saying Brown. Yeah, and I know I said that
wrong and I think you feel very lucky.
Larry actually ran as the water sea route to last week.
I think, or he was up there. It's great.
Drago. And, and you got these fires
that are so bad that you like, in terms of like a way to Target
for a run and I think he's definitely to improve and that
metric because the competition gets substantially worse like
incredibly worse. And it probably is quite helpful
to the old offensive arel just because the other players are so
bad and he does he is he does seem like a pretty good fit for
Fields. Where like I kind of See Fields
as this like kind of like playmaker where and he's got
this really good deep ball and when I said of the pocket, he
makes things happen and I think that could be like there could
be things were to link up at and boost each other in that way.
And and maybe having Claypool and encourages and passed more
just because it's not like, okay well like what are we going to
are we going to game plan around trying to it and kill?
Hurry and so maybe there's like a booster And I think I'm like
some what so it may be my basketball team and Chase.
Claypool, I'm like, somewhat encouraged of like oh, maybe
maybe that could that could be a good thing for him and but in
terms of like starting him I think you have to be in a tough
spot to at the Stark Claypool still.
Yeah, yeah, I drew up to the ton of Justin fields to chase
Claypool Stacks predicting. This trade would happen.
In week 7. So I'm really excited for my
best Bell shares there but joking aside.
Yeah, I kind of see it, similar Claypool.
I think there's some I mean you weren't starting in Pittsburgh
and maybe give him a couple weeks and you can feel.
Okay. Starting him in Chicago I think
it's unlikely but it at least opens up that possibility.
They gave up a second round pick for him which is pretty high
compensation. So you I think that they had a
clean overpay. Yeah, certainly seems like I'll
repay. But you think it would mean they
have plans to use him right? Well, we'll see.
They have a vision for how he fits into their team.
Yeah. And again, the last point I want
to make in Chicago, I wish I had the stats to back this up.
I don't have the team stats pulled up right now, but it does
seem like they're they're trending a little bit more pass.
Happy obviously. Still very run-heavy team, but
there are some truly ridiculous games to start the year.
Here in terms of Russia tabs, or lack of passing attempts.
And it's been a little less extreme recently.
So we'll see if they wanna, you know, at least test what they
have in, Justin Fields as a pastor.
Maybe there's some chance they open up the offense but I'm not
I'm not holding my breath there. Okay, let's move on to the next
chart. And touch on a couple quick hits
here. I wanted to, you know, first I
think we should talk about Tyreke Hill and how and say we
just talked about how insane Hopkins with targets for outrun
is Tyree, kills is even higher. He's fully breaking this chart
and he has a 8 week sample size or set maybe seven weeks sample
size verse just to for DeAndre Hopkins.
So this is truly an insane. Season The Tyree kill is having
I didn't expect this at all. I think he's on Pace for 2,000
plus yards, I don't really know what to say.
Look, there's nothing actionable.
You can do. If you have Tyree kill, you're
not right if no silly comment, body low because there's no way
to actually action that. And but for his strong, as his
yardage and receiving and all that has been, he's only scored
two touchdowns and eight get seven games, and which given his
yardage Lumber like and his big play ability, it does Like
there's actually there's actually positive a ton of
positive regression and not you but that you would have kind of
like expect for the second half of the year which is insane to
say given how good he's been. Yeah, I agree with that.
Yeah, I'm not selling Tyreke like I don't think anybody is
but yeah maybe the actual bus for like your home leagues where
you can trade like send out a digs for Tyreke plus another
asset. Send out a cop for.
For Tyreke plus another asset. Like, obviously digs and cough
up are amazing, too. And I'm not like, selling those
guys, but if you can, maybe get the Tyree kill manager to give
you, I don't know. Tyree kill and eat en4 digs
maybe, you know, again, it depends on your league.
Like that trade, might be quickly rejected by the manager
if they're paying attention, but to someone who's just box score
watching, they might be like, oh, I'd give up, you know, Ty
reeks, only giving me 20 points a game verse 25 for digs.
I'll give up Tyreke. And a big piece to get up to
digs like I would I would maybe look at that type of moves as
maybe some actual advice because I agree with you Connor.
I think Tyree kill is like underperforming his expectation,
which is insane because he's at over 20 fantasy points a game
right now, definitely a guy who were you?
You want to play him in DFS you want?
I guess you have to be careful about and ownership and whatnot.
And but definitely something where like, when he hits It's
like a 50 it is not you I would expect it to be multiple
50-point games, rest of the year.
Yeah. Wow, multiple 50-point games.
I love that. Wow.
It's going to get these huge bombs 200 yards receiving.
Yeah. With the decayed bonuses to?
Yeah. Yeah, I also want to say on Hill
that like also what this is under selling because he had, I
think you'll like five Rush attempts last week.
Let me double check that now. Did you have?
I think he might have had five Rush attempts a week before and
he had one this week. So sorry, maybe maybe I just
made that up in my head, but I do think he has gotten some,
like backfield snaps. I specially like just
tangentially. I've seen it in the Red Zone
where they're like, scheming them up with these routes out of
the backfield. So anyways, I mean, it's just
crazy. You should for Tyreke, let's
let's keep going through this. I want to make sure we have time
to hit on the tight ends before are hard enough.
Yeah. Back up tight ends.
This last wide receiver chart here.
So this is the rotational guys did have a Russia sent last week
by the way, you gotta rush time last week.
Yeah. Okay.
I must have dreamed. The five Tyreke Hill carries up
in my head somewhere. I don't know.
Yeah, anyways, last last wide receiver chart, man.
This isn't that. On to talk about.
But I did want to say that, like the WAN Dale stuff was a little
disappointing. Now I'm not giving up on him by
any means because it's a week wide receiver room, certainly in
in New York, but he ran, I believe like a Full Slate of
routes last week and only got three targets.
So sometimes your I get concerned about these guys who
have limited targets, And our sorry, limited staffs and they
get these huge Target rates and then when they get a full-time
role, it doesn't, it doesn't last.
So I'm a little bit worried about that with one Dale, but
I'm still holding him. I just think again like to the
Rondell more discussion. It's sort of a low, a DOT like
more scheme, touches roll. I don't think there's like crazy
League winning upside with him. I think it's more like Star
double PPR type stuff with with him.
But we'll see. Connor any gross got I know
you've been dying to talk about. Dennis Houston, right.
Dennis Houston. No, I actually met him two weeks
ago. Very nice guy.
Yeah, he's actually he's a car salesman and in the Greater
Columbus Ohio area. Yeah, he's got he won't stop
chasing and that we need to keep up the great work.
Okay, let's move on to tight ends.
I did have Have a ton of notes on Keith Kirkwood, but we'll
have to save that for next week. Tight ends we're looking at here
now, tie down utilization and efficiency for all the tight
ends with greater than 60% of routes run.
So to be clear in the start, this is just weeks five through
eight for the route. Percentage numbers, the targets
per out, Ron and a DOT numbers are the full season numbers
because we see those as more sort of sticky.
The larger sample size is useful there, whereas for the snap
numbers, we just kind of want the most recent snapshot of
what's happened over the last four weeks for those teams and
how they're thinking about their tight end rooms.
So, a couple things we can talk about here, what jumps out to me
is the Foster Moreau contingent upside is really strong as far
as Titans Go. He is out there.
Running all the routes without Waller, you know, 80% of his
team's Pastor outs. He has an 18% targets for about
Ron, which is passable, not amazing, but but decent for a
tight end, super low a dot. But again, you know.
And the leaves we play, we're tight end is Really dry in the
waiver wire. I think, false rumor row is a
good ad this week in hopes that you get one more start without
Waller. Yeah.
Connor. Anything else.
You wanted to talk through here at tight end?
I know, we'll get to the the Hawkinson trade at some point,
but anything else outside of that you wanted to talk about?
So I know and in general we want to kind of like more called out
and pop positive place that like People can go after and rather
than like Rye gone on players put one thing that does strike
me here is this High really high route, share for Dawson Knox and
then one of the lowest that Target for right run on that on
this chart and I think only kokum it is over at 11 and
thousand ducks is 12%. And I guess a possible
Seven-and-a-half 7.5 a.m but given how much it costs to draft
have how highly drafted us and Knox was I do think that's
pretty disappointing. Yep I agree.
There on the more positive side at, may be actionable side for
for the Casual leagues out there.
Greg dosages roll. Looks amazing to me.
He's running again a ton of routes.
You know, is in the Travis Kelce range for four rounds for on,
which is a good sign. 18% targets were outrun which is
solid. But then, the edad is what's
really exciting to me. Thirteen point three eight dot.
I know he's running a lot of slot, staffs on that team
because they don't have a great wide receiver three, there in
Denver, he's truly being used as more of a wide receiver than a
side, and that's how he profiled out of college.
So, I'm more willing to buy into that, high, a DOT.
I think it tight. And we're you know, the floor is
low for every tight end outside of, you know, your Kelsey
Andrews types that the ceiling is really what matters.
And when I see a guy there with a near 15, a taught at tight
end, that's a signal that he can get some Splash plays down the
seam score, some long TVs for for that team in Denver.
So I'm really excited about those Stitch.
I'm really happy for pack train who I know.
I think he actually took out Out a loan to invest in Greg dulcich
Dynasty shares. So I'm really happy for his long
and India. There's his hair out of his
apartment. That's what I heard.
Yeah, it's Clay. He's slowly collecting pieces of
Greg Dahl search in his house. Yeah, he's going to clone them
and free through the funny thing about that.
Speaking of Greg dosage clowns, I think they have some kind of
like hairstyle policy. See on the Denver Broncos, tied
and room because I got a bunch of guys with this long, long
flow, catching passes a tight end that I've been fooled once
or twice, where I think it's still such and it's, you know,
backyard Sauber door. I'm not gonna pretend to know
who all these guys are, but it's interesting there and Denver the
way we the wavy hair and group. Yeah.
Okay.
Tight end. Let's move on.
Then to 0. Now we got to talk about TJ
hogenson for. Oh yeah we did want to talk
about. I think that's kind of
emblematic of this whole charade that we are so excited to talk
about the other trades. But this Hopkinson to the
Vikings thing is just it's so boring to me.
I don't know why one thing it's, you know, let's start with.
Let's start with Hawkinson on. On the Vikings and then we can
maybe get into the lions deep cut stuff.
One way I want it to look aren't that.
I thought it would be good to look at.
This was what percentage of expected receiving points.
And those tight end is a whole, make the lines and receiving and
the Vikings receiving. So for the Detroit line, lines
moons and The the expected receiving share for tight ends
as a whole is 23%. And then for the Vikings, it's
21%. And what I've a, what is very
apparent that is that outside of, like, let's say the top five
teams for a tight end usage, it's extremely flat.
These teams are very similar. These middle of the pack to like
even lower in teams. Are very similar in the
percentage usage for their tight ends.
So moving from one of those mid-pack teams to another is, it
doesn't mean a whole lot to me. Yeah.
Yeah, I wish I had a different more exciting take.
But I'm with you there, it doesn't mean a whole lot.
It. Yeah.
If I have to jog in cinema teams, I'm like I don't know how
to think about this trade. Like, it seems like it seems
like a wash but it's also it's a mystery box, right?
Yeah. Maybe there's some unknown
upside there. I mean, maybe the reason that
they try to the second round, pick Freedom forum is like, oh,
we think this guy is awesome. We haven't we talked that we
went into this year thinking that teal and was going to be
the same register on the Red Zone trap that he always was.
And we discovered that's not quite the case anymore.
And here's a guy who's a big fast, hot end and maybe he's
that guy for us and and you win there and but that that I'm
really kind of stretching the tell a story here.
Yeah. Yeah, I think.
Yeah. Of to sort of stretch to tell a
story with Hawkinson. Yeah.
Okay. I think there was one other.
Oh, yeah. The other thing I want to talk
about is the Lions, back up, back up tight and situation
actually the chat, the chat is clamoring for the backup tight
end chart is that sham sermon? I don't I've no, I don't
recognize that that. Let me what's shot.
Theremin doing in our shop, he must be a new VIP that that was
brought by statues thing. I haven't heard of that guy, but
yeah, as we talk about the backup tight, end chart, I don't
think they're gonna be on there, but we were going back and forth
on on disk, or chat earlier about the Lions tight, end
situation. We got Brock right and help me
out here, who was the other, who's the other guy?
James Mitchell, James Mitchell. And so before we get into this,
I do want to tell The listeners just have much at Sam and stop
chasing cares, about delivering accurate.
Back up, tighten information for you.
So BFF if a player doesn't receive a Target and a game,
they shut them as not having played the game in their week by
week Dada. So we went back in and
redesigned our entire spreadsheet and charts system so
that we could get you the most accurate back.
Tight end information possible. So just just, just make sure
that you appreciate that. Yeah, we put ours in each week.
Looking at all the backup tight ends.
I can't even tell you how many hours of Josh Oliver in Jack
stole film. I watched in all 22 this week,
we told our parents and ask them.
Hey, what do you think your son is going to do this week Terry?
Yeah, character interviews. We want to know about these guys
as people not just as objects in our spreadsheet.
Sheets and on the football field.
So yeah that that's just a little behind-the-scenes statue,
sitting back up, tight end process.
We will give you the best Eric's.
Albert takes the whole business, so you know, subscribe to the
Discord. DM.
Me about John Bates and we can have a lot of fun on the
Discord. This year.
Anyways, getting to some real advice for the backup tight ends
Harrison Bryant. Yeah.
Historical anomalies brings up Harrison Bryant has been
canceled. That was a huge brand, hit four
statues. We talked up his contingent
upside for four weeks and he just goes out and Duds so hard
that we had to change our entire spreadsheet system to account
for him. So he has been canceled.
Yeah, he's clear. I had a bad take their you know,
his peripherals looks similar to and Joe Coos, but he did not
nearly have the snap share that joke.
We did as A starter heated earn zero Targets on I think like
close to 50% of the team route so they do not view him as one
to one replacement Fringe oku, it's not a foster Moreau
situation. You can safely leave Harrison
Bryant on the waiver wire even in your in your deep leaves
deeply except think and sadly. As you know we put 100 percent
guarantee behind every back up. Tighten take a weekend so you
lose money on our backup to a dentist contact there.
In. Yeah, we'll be in touch.
We it's actually Pete, then Moses you if you lost that you
lose money on any of her back, since we're not being paid for
this, any money you lose them back up.
Tight ends, Pete actually directly bed most you.
So yeah, I would just go directly to him, say, hey, I
lost money on Harrison. Brian Sam said, you're good for
it and he should fully recoup you for that.
Yeah. Anyways the other thing I'd like
kind of serious. Thing I want to talk about
before we go, we have to talk about these players for now, we
have to go. We have to, we have to Shag.
I we can't go without talking about David kenshin's, favorite
player, shig a conch. Whoa, I actually do think this
one is like, this is more of like, a Dom.
We've been, we've been doing. We have a special segment for
backup tight ends every week, and we just had a major
shake-up. We're back up tight ends and
could now foreseeably be prominent, we We have to talk
about them. But we have to talk about them.
Isaiah likely you're talking about?
No, I'm talking about checks notes Brock, right?
And then Jennifer oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, Brock, right.
Okay, okay. I think the take is quickly
because we're kind of guessing. I think add James Mitchell
speculatively for like a $115 and don't touch.
Walk, right, probably. So I actually, there is a, there
is stocks available on James Mitchell.
So, in his junior year, at Virginia Tech, he actually did
have a 32% Dominator rating and and mostly because of the
touchdowns. Yeah, just a 24%, and receiving
market share, and then early in his senior year, he tore his ACL
and and he was unable to add To perform like the 40-yard dash at
the combine because of that. What he did?
He, he did get taken in the fifth round this year and, and
he's also a two-time first team All Conference basketball
player. Oh, wow.
So G's like the next Jimmy Graham basically.
Yeah. More or less and so, I mean, he
is a rookie coming off an ACL share and but it's interesting.
It's a little bit interesting in your kind of like tight and
premium leaks. Yeah, if you're desperate side
and he's he's, you know, worth a couple bucks.
I think that's interesting, I knew nothing about his profile
before we go. Brock it, we both agreed that at
Brock right is without even looking at anything.
It's the name of a blocker is their first name even rhymes
with block. It should be block right in my
opinion. Yeah.
You see a name like Brock right? Or like Jack stole or even like
Cole Turner and you see the name and you can just tell it's a
blocking tight on. You don't have to you know, have
to check any stats. It's a full just sort of name
based analysis. If your name, you know, is
generally like one syllable for the first and last name.
Jack stole Brock, right? That's a blocking tight end.
You don't even you don't even think about adding him.
There is some So he was actually coming at a high school.
He was a number one, they're ranked tight end but then he
went to Notre Dame and as a four-year player and I think it
might've even been more than four years.
In 40-something games, it was only a starter for 11 of those
games. So when you're at a backup tight
end in Notre Dame, That's what you know.
We're going to be excited to talk about you in a stop
chasing. I like this from Josh.
He's he's sort of a big lie. He's doing the, not in my league
thing to me about, back up tight and he's been stashing.
James Mitchell sense. The second Bush Administration
apparently, yeah, I gotta get in some, a Josh's leagues because
apparently in those James Mitchell was drafted in like the
fifth round. So yeah, I will easily.
Yeah, this is a tight end premium At deviled egg
development where he's had them since his freshman year.
Yeah. So we'll bring will bring on
Josh the show next week I want to talk to him about Mason
Shrek, who is definitely a real person and not someone Connor
just made up to try to trick me this week.
That is definitely a real and I'll better fake tight ends and
track is. Yeah, that's Okay we've gone off
the rails. I did I did have one real point
before we go check Aqua for your Dynasty sickos.
He's been kind of interesting. 22% are throughout Run Deep, a
DOT. And like as far as contingent
plays go, I would like monitor if Hooper went down I would be
kind of excited about him, maybe at some point Tennessee throws
in the towel on their season and he gets more run, but I know he
was sort of a trendy Prospect and dying.
See circles and he's, he's flashing a bit as a receiver.
Obviously again on a super limited role.
Yep, he's been on he said on Stephanie's taxi for the last 10
years. So this is probably need a
panel, we need a backup Titan panel next week.
Yeah, we need to make it happen. I mean, our viewership is
clearly just skyrocketing. Once we start talking about the
backup tight ends, our engagements have been out of
control. Anyways, that was fun.
Connor, I think we're going to skip quarterback.
This week I don't think anything major to talk about their you
know as we're sort of approaching our our end time
here that was a ton of fun guys. A lot of fun going over all the
trades, you know, I think I think I got a better grasp of
some of the Situation's, they're from talking through it and
yeah, just a quick couple quick plugs, you can check out more
analysis and if you want to see these charts to look over them
yourselves, you can find it on my Twitter.
Here at Sherman underscore F FBI, post those charts every
week with a couple bullets and takeaways on each position.
So yeah, you can find that their Connor.
Anything else you wanted to plug before we head out?
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for that. Anyways, that sounds fun guys.
We'll see you here. Next week.
Good luck in week 9. Yep.
And yeah we'll be bringing on guest next week to talk about
Mason Shrek so you can also join for that.
Anyways, that sounds fun guys. We'll see you here.
Next week. Good luck in week 9.