Today on ship chasing an annual tradition, a pre NFL draft
dynasty rookie mock draft. God that sounds so late when you
really start to say it. Out.
Loud, super flex, tight in premium, but to make it cool, we
have some heavy hitters joining Pat Davis and myself today.
We got Ray G from Destination Debbie, we got Ron Stewart, we
got Blair Andrews from Rhodobe is going to be a super fun show
as we go a couple rounds deep navigating this rookie before
the NFL draft. Let's do it.
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Jamar Alpha play Chase, you can't handle the heat.
It looks like we're finally at this point, you're right.
All right, we got the usual crew, Pat Davis and we are
joined by some true dynasty thought leaders today.
Had to bring them in. Let's start right here with Ray.
Is this your first time on chip chasing?
I've done shows with you. Is this your?
This seems like a mistake if it's your first time on chip
chasing. You know what I'm saying?
Y'all had to add a little color to the show so I'm in.
Here, but this is the first. Time I'm up in on Davis and I,
we're going to link up here real soon.
So now I appreciate you having me on, man.
It's going to be dope. Awesome.
Yeah, you are more than anyone I know deep into the weeds on this
stuff year round. So excited to see your takes.
We got Blair here in the middle, a fixture of this pre NFL draft
stream. Blair, you always come with some
hot takes. You know you always, it was
Jameer Gibbs a couple years ago. You got some some corkers ready
for us today. You're setting the bar a little
too high for me probably, but I'll do what I can.
Yeah, he's going to. It's going to.
Be hot as hell all. Right.
No spoilers though. And of course, we got the boy
wunderkind down here the our Jets fan extraordinaire.
We I actually, Ron, we got it before we get into the dynasty
stuff, can we get your Justin Fields take?
Are you, are you fired up about this?
Yeah, man, I'm really excited. The The Jets have brought me
nothing but joy. I'm just happy it'll be
entertaining football. I would like in a in a perfect
world, we get Jaylen Millro and we just run like a read option.
We can get it out. If The Jets don't take Jaylen
Millro, they should give up as a.
Franchise, we've given up so long ago.
I I've, I've given up since Mark Sanchez, like stopped.
So that's where we're at. Do you have any thoughts on the
the Aaron Rodgers, you know, the the bidding war?
It's kind of, I don't even know if it's a bidding war anymore.
But the bidding war, the. There was once a bidding war.
There was a bidding war that sort of ended, but like.
I hope Aaron Rodgers, like, I just hope he sucks, man.
I I I there's bad blood like I. Hope that.
Hard. I was going to say I got good
news for you, Ron. I got good news all right,
because I want to maximize all of our time getting to talk
through these discussions here. I'm going to get our draft board
pulled up here. This is a sister site to
gretsch.com here, shipchasing.com, where we'll be
entering these pics and this is how I was thinking about doing
this. I put all of our, I can screen
share here, all of our names in random.org and I just put our
names in twice and was thinking I'll shuffle this up.
We each have two picks in round one.
We each have two picks in round 224 total picks, 4 picks total
for all six of us. That sound good?
All right, I'm going to give me a number.
Karine, how many times should I randomize this?
8. Eight.
OK here we go. 1 2345678 Oh my God Ray wow.
Shipping. Wow, look at that.
Wow, so hot. So hard for me.
I'm not doing it either. I'm absolutely not.
You ain't. Gonna run it one more time.
No, this is there's integrity to this process.
Pat said it, and he deserves. I said 80.
I said 8080 times. Oh my goodness.
OK, So now that we have that set, you are in fact on the
clock Ray, is that has there been, I mean, I'm sure in
previous years there's been more of a layup at 1:01, but
considering the choices behind this, is this the easiest 101 of
all time? It feels like it.
It feels like I was prepping for the show.
I'm asking my community. I'm like, I'm on with these
dudes. It's Ron, it's Davis, it's Pat,
it's Blair's pick. What do I do?
They're like where you pick? I was like, I don't know.
I don't know, man. Maybe at the end.
Hey here at the top, man. Super flex.
I'm I'm rolling with the MVP man.
Like I don't even want to play around.
I don't want to beat around the Bush.
I think you can make some arguments for doing some
different things, especially given the QB landscape, but at
the top of the draft, man, any startup, I would love to shop
this. I would love to trade one of
these pics with somebody here on the board right now, but I'm
going with the big dog out of Buffalo here at the one-on-one
spot, man. Wait, wait.
Who? Oh, Buffalo.
Wait. It's super slugs, right?
This is. It's a rookie, rookie.
This is a dude I'm reading the top dynasty superflugs, Mark.
Oh rookies, are we in the shit? Ashley Jetty Jetty.
I did so bad I am as a host I didn't even correct.
Right. If we gave you the top 2 picks
in a startup draft, I think there have been a bit more.
That's what I was like, are we going to rerun this?
Like what are we doing? This is easy.
It's still easy, is Ashton Genti.
It's still easy. Yeah, exactly.
This is easier I think. I think genti at one in this is
easier than the one in. Startups, I'm going to be, I'm
going to be how vulnerable can I be with the crew Real quick, I'm
going to be how vulnerable can I be and can I be real with y'all.
Be real. I'm as a fucking guy right now,
all right? I am.
Shoot it you.
Want to you want to trade that pick then?
No, no, no, no, no, no, Pat, you got it, baby.
Ashton Gente, one O 1. It's easy.
Super flex. I don't care the format outside
of anything super, super crazy where you're giving tight ends
like 5 pointed reception, which will never happen.
It's got to be Ashton Gente at the top and I don't want to play
around. I'm on the clock at one O 2 now.
I do think right here you can have some debate and
conversations about the running back value.
I'm not fooling with wide receiver and I know it's Tep,
but it's not enough for me to press the button right here.
So I'm rolling with the dog that I think is the RB2 in his class.
I don't want to make it tough for Davis at the 102 spot.
Yeah, give me two Ashton Genties, but it's Omarion
Hampton out of North Carolina. Big dog.
He's a he's a beast. He's a Speed Score freak.
He's an awesome running back. Give me them two guys at the top
of the draft. And he's and he's going to go
first rounds. Yeah, I think, I think this
probably is chalk after the draft.
Let's go. You sure you don't want to go to
Lamar here? It was actually going to be Jade
and Daniels smart ass but you know, it would have been JD 5
but we'll go with Omari and Hampton and we'll settle there
instead. Yeah, I mean Omari and Hampton
his his draft stock seemingly rising by the day.
Does does anyone here like by ADP?
Maybe you guys have different feelings on who you would take
one O 2 but like do you think by ADP it's going to settle here if
he's a first round pick? For sure people can't help it
first round running back. And The thing is like, he's a
good bet to produce right away and he's a good bet for people
to be excited about him entering year 2.
So I think I would, I'm just like willing to just ride that
that wave and he could like, I don't think he's nearly as good
as Gente as a prospect, but he's a very good prospect.
And so we could end up feeling like this dude is awesome.
So you get the the likely year of production, likely value
increase after a productive year.
That's just a nice bet at running.
This is not that many running backs that give you that kind of
bet. And Ray, I actually set this up
specifically for you. I was like, I was like, I know
he's going to be super high. Let's just give him the two
easiest picks. He can go, you know, pack
another bowl, you know, have a little red, you know, come back
for Round 2. I've, I've made it easy on you.
I mean, right. How close do you have?
Because I feel like there has been some conversation now
lately of like what one of the mock drafts had Hampton even
over GT. Like, do you think this gap is
is closing or is GT still just in a tier above for you?
I'm. I'm going to be real with y'all
man, when you're talking about them as prospects, I agree that
Genti is the superior prospect. I think one of the great
equalizers that none of us have the answer to right now, but we
will in a couple weeks, I want to see where they land the
capital really not as much they're going to be drafted
around. I mean, they're going to be
drafted in the range where they're going to get
opportunity. But as we see with some of these
franchises, offensive coordinator changes in the roles
in which these running backs are asked to be deployed.
I want to see where some of these cats land because I think
we'll get to a point y'all where there will be some dope spots
that some of these backs like a Caleb, like a handle, like a
Judkins, Sampson Scatti, they land.
You're like shit. I like that role for that
player. And you know, I think the
opportunity here might yield some more points, but right now
it's gently in a tear and then O Hampton might be in a little bit
of a tear of his own. But all of that could change
after night one of the draft. Night two of the draft, you
know. Is there a spot where it would
flip for you? Like if Genti went to the Saints
and Hampton went to the Bears back-to-back picks, would that
would that be enough to to flip him or is there any any kind of
situation where you would actually flip him?
Pat in a one year, in a one year league, absolutely.
In a one year league where I just need points this year.
I'm not worried about long term. I think the community sentiment
around Genti is still like, you just take them.
Like you just yeah, you just take them.
So many people are going to love them and you got so much bacon
value. But if you're just talking about
which back might score more, I think there's some other spots
outside of Las Vegas outside of that that you might get a
running back that lands in Washington, which I think would
be an absolutely incredible spot to land that you look up Like,
damn, that dude was that dude was better than that one, you
know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah.
Long term though, I agree. I, I, it'd have to be something
crazy for me not to take Genti. Because even in those scenarios,
Patton, like you talk about this a lot about how these guys can
still hold their value as assets even with a subpar year.
It's like the worst case scenario is he?
Tears AC and and not lose. Anybody that would be the worst
case scenario, an injury. But I'm like, even if he's in a
timeshare, people are going to be like he has fresh legs and
now the guy's gone. Like now it's really blast
offseason. Like his value could increase
like in a year. We're also not.
We're also not necessarily that good at evaluating spots this
far. I mean, even just one year out,
like you remember, I don't know, McCaffrey going to Carolina and
we were like, oh, that's terrible.
That was seen as a negative for sure.
And then they. And then partly because Cam
Newton wasn't going to throw to him.
And then they Clyde to Kansas City.
Best possible spot. Clyde to Kansas City.
Oh my God, how many points? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, if you guys want to hear where Davis would take Omarion
Hampton if he gets drafted to the Chiefs, you can listen to
ADP Chasing. This week, Davis has still never
said a running back he would take over him.
No, he changed the subject. If this was the Superflex mock
draft, the real one, it would have been Josh Allen one and
then Davis would have taken Omari and Hampton to the Chiefs
with the. 2nd overall Martin Hampton parentheses KC All
right, it's. You you are on the clock now
with the one O 3. The layups are are off the
board. Yeah, I so I wanted to go
absolutely nuclear. And just like when we look back
on this sheet for a year, be like, wow, Davis really had the
hottest take and he was so directionally accurate.
What an absolute genius. Sadly, I I it's just of no use
to to do such a thing. The the the fun pick obviously
would be to do Matthew Golden here say he's going to the
Cowboys at 12, taking him at one O 3.
Just you look at actually I was talking to Ray's boy this
morning, Scott Connor at Charles Shill FFB.
We did a little video and he reminded me that before Ruggs
killed someone, he actually was on his way to having a good
season. He was, he was, he was actually
on his way to producing, which is like when you run anything
for Golden, you're going to find Ruggs as a top comp.
All that is to say, I'm going to do the boring thing and take the
quarterback who's going first overall Cam Ward.
He's going to run a little bit more than the virgins want to
tell you because they have not actually watched Cam Ward play.
He he can run particularly I would say actually I would comp
him to Trevor Lawrence as a rusher where if you wanted to
get him, if his coaches were comfortable letting him get 6
rushing touchdowns a year, he could pretty easily do it.
He could run some read option stuff near the goal line.
I also think he's crazy accurate, which is the hardest
thing to teach a quarterback. I think you can teach
quarterbacks lots of things at the NFL level, but you can't
teach them to be accurate. If you have the one O 3 in your
superflex time in premium league, you're probably bummed
about it. You're you're probably like, all
right, I guess I'm taking Cam Ward, but it's also probably
like a he's probably going to start for four years and be
pretty good. Ron, what do you think?
Like Cam Ward's ceiling is as a fantasy player?
Like in two years, what's his QB rank heading into the season?
I'm going to be honest, I like Cam Ward.
Like I know people like aren't stoked to take him.
He's good, but he could be like Justin Herbert, he could be CJ
Stroud. I'm not talking from like a tool
standpoint, but we see pocket passers do fine.
Burrow this past year and at quarterback, I've kind of just
learned I I've been humbled is really how how, how how we get
here is everyone has a take. Everyone has a quarterback they
love and they come out here and they either suck or a guy comes
out of nowhere. Jaden Daniels was no one.
No one. 'S was it?
Was it Herbert or Daniel Jones who humbled you?
It was Justin Fields, my Jets quarterback.
That's who I love. Justin Fields.
He ended up, you know, I I still wanted him to The Jets.
I thought he was going to be great.
He did nothing. I guess he scored fantasy
points, which is cool, but you also have with these
quarterbacks and I I I hate to harp on this.
I feel like I do it every year, but Caleb Williams was like fine
last year and he's in the middle of the second round of
start-ups. Drake May was good from like AII
know, I know Crane's here. I love Drake may look, I love
Drake may I I want to make that clear.
But if you want his points per game was myth, right?
So like he's a second round startup pick.
So Cam Ward a first overall pick, like a top five rookie
draft guy. He just has to have a pulse this
year and he's somebody that's going to be like a top three
round startup pick. So it's a really safe pick and
there's also the ceiling of like the top 6 picks in every startup
draft, our quarterback. So Cam word to me is like a
fine, like people see it as like a consolation prize, but a first
overall quarterback selection is pretty damn good.
Yep, he's fine. What?
Are the chances he's like Bryce Young though?
I mean. Bryce Young held.
Bryce Young, he's start, he's gonna start in Year 3.
You know, it's it's going to work out.
You you're probably fine with that's.
A fairpoint and you can sell yourself on the tools of Cam
work. You got to, you got to be
shopping Bryce Young, though, that dude.
It could, sure, but you thought it was dead.
But the getting getting picked 101 is like so much insulation.
It's like one of those baby sleep Merlins, you know, in
terms of playing time. Like it's just so.
Hard. That reference really hit for me
right now. I knew it would.
That was for you. That was for you, Ray is is is
Ward year three. If we just made you make every
one of these picks with with you.
Were you mad that you didn't get 3/2?
That would actually, I would have been pissed.
I needed that. That would have been Jalen
Hurts. Yeah, I think.
I think Ron, Ron hit the nail on the head.
I've been humbled by quarterback as well.
It is. It's a weird game to play.
If you're going to take one, I'll say this, I think people
like Cam Ward a hell of a lot more than they like Chador or
Jackson Dart for that matter. So you will have an out like
you, you, you have some kind of guaranteed built in insulation.
It it this just feels like a game where I I I would probably
go a different direction. I think this is a year where you
look at the NFL people. No one wants Gino Derek Carr.
If you're willing to just grind the edges.
I can figure quarterback out. So right here, I think there's a
case to be made that I I could go in a different direction, but
I'm I've got no issue with Cam ward at all.
Like no issue with Cam ward at all.
What would that direction be for you?
I would probably bank on another running back here.
I think this is a great year to take that chance.
I listen right before this show y'all, I, I, I, I urge you, if
you are just bored as hell, type in way too early 2025 mock
draft, Look at Bleacher Report, Sports Illustrated.
There's a chance right now that everybody's QB, 1RB1, wide
receiver one, tight end one, and EDGE one.
Most of them dudes weren't even mocked inside the first round of
a mock draft in August of 20, 2024.
No Tyler Warren, no gente damn sure, no Matthew Golden and here
we are today. So I I don't know, man, it's a
it's a weird game of how people feel about these guys today
versus next month versus June and July.
You did. Would anyone take Ted McMillan
here? Because that's that's what I
would have been tempted to do. I was really torn.
I'm excited to run to the podium here at 4:00 with TET but I was
legit torn on Am I getting too fancy passing on Cam.
It's too fancy. I think Ted is really good.
I don't think he is a CD lamb. Justin Jefferson, I, I think
he's could be the next year like.
I do. Next, next year, could we be
taking TET, where we're taking Drake London right now?
Is the wide receiver 9? Sure, Yeah, that feels fair.
But I, I think it is a bit fancy to take him and I think it's
definitely fancy to take him over the 1st overall
quarterback. Yeah, I don't and I it also a
lot of this probably would come down to a team need right in a
dynasty league, Like if you need a quarterback, you're fucking
taking Cam Ward if you're looking pretty there.
I mean, we know how valuable having a deep wide receiver
bench is. We know if you hit on a Ted, Ted
McMillan, he's giving you like 10 plus years, you know, of like
solid production from a really valuable spot.
So I don't know. For me, that's the only way I
think I would go Ward would be if I.
I think I think Ted has probably has higher upside as a, as a
pick. Like you're, you're looking at a
guy who could like jump into that Drake London type of range.
And Cam, I think Will is like safer in some ways.
But also, like, I think Cam Ward could bust, you know, it's not,
he's not a very safe for a quarterback going #1 he's an
extremely risky version of that. And I feel like he sort of
settles into like the Justin Herbert's, you know, CJ Stroud
type of tear if you're lucky. And those guys aren't being
drafted super, super high. I would just, I would just
counter that at one time they were.
Herbert was like a a top six startup pick.
Stroud was a top six startup pick.
There's times to get on and off the carousel at quarterback.
I I would push back on the idea of like, like the quarterback.
I think it is getting too fancy. Like the quarterback and dynasty
like it, it truly it runs the world.
Like you will see the the most heinous trade packages for Jaden
Daniels this past offseason. Or if you want to go back to
last offseason, CJ Stroud was going for first born children.
So it's like you like Ted Mcmillan's great, but unless if
he's Jefferson or Chase, like he's not, he's not netting that.
And we kind of already knew Chase was that coming in, right?
Just kind of, you know, the best wide receiver of his generation.
And I do think that is probably where this kind of comes down on
Ted because really early on it was like, all right, he's locked
for top ten. Maybe you see some like top
seven stuff or whatever. And now it seems like it's maybe
more round 15 or pick 15 to 20 ish range, which just kind of
change it because you go from that like Julio type guy to OK,
now we're talking like we're looking for the JSN trajectory.
That's kind of been my comp where he kind of slips a little
bit. Still a really good prospect,
goes to an OK situation. Like Jason's value right now is
really solid. But yeah, it comes down to is he
like a top ten guy for you? Is he more like just a round one
wide receiver? Yeah.
And I also think it's like the the Cam value.
I'm also curious about like where are you guys taking Cam
relative to some of those wide receivers who aren't like a JSN,
like someone who's not like an elite guy?
Do you you? You'd rather have you'd rather
have Cam more than that guy. I have him just ahead of JSN
right now like I I did a rankings update so I have him
like ahead of JSN, ahead of TI. Have him like back-to-back with
like Marvlad. AJ Brown's like a third round
startup pick right in that area. So yeah, I guess like if you're
saying he can be London, but like it is, I have them all like
bunched together. But if the ceiling's like London
or quarterback in the first round of the start up, that's
just where I'm at. Like Cam Ward's not the strong.
Like I can't I can't stand on a a soapbox and tell you why Cam
Ward's the greatest quarterback prospect.
But that's kind of just like quarterbacks are just a mystery
and at a certain I'd rather just bet on the 1st overall.
Yeah, I, I would be like, I would much rather have some of
those veterans that like, I'd much rather have a Justin
Herbert than a Cam Ward. Like much much, much rather.
Yeah, I agree. So I I guess I'm struggling to
put Cam Ward like above those types of veteran wide receiver
like a JSN. That's probably the biggest
value difference I would say. Blair, you rose your hand.
You said you would have taken Tet at three.
Would you have taken him at 2:00?
Yeah, probably. I do like Hampton a lot.
I mean, this is a weird case where usually I'm the one that's
like, no matter who that running back is, I'm looking at the wide
receivers and saying how can I make a case for Tech going #1
but not this year. But I would probably have him in
that same tier as Hampton. So ahead of Cam Ward, ahead of
any quarterback. Yeah.
Can I just ask a theoretical question here about we, we, I
think Ron nailed it. Like whatever you think about
quarterback, like it is like gold, like the currency and
dynasty, even the ones you hate, whether it's bone, like it, it's
worth something and there's insulation.
Are we approaching an era in fantasy, in dynasty where
there's so much wide receiver saturation?
If you're telling me what I'm getting out of tennis, Drake
London. And let's not forget that the
first two years of Drake London, people were kind of like people.
Were mad. You were you were not happy.
It seems like everyone's chasing the tight end and I'm not saying
it's Loveland or Warren that's going to be the next Brock
Bowers, Trey McBride, but are we getting to this spot where
you've got a better probability or chance of hitting the tight
like a high end outcome range tight end versus if McMillan is
Drake London his first two years?
Nobody's happy. Like nobody is happy about that.
I meant you start looking at what Devante Smith and T have
done. I get on a per game.
But just overall, I just wonder if in a tight end premium,
people are going to start to overreach and try to get Tyler
Warren if he's a damn top ten pick.
Man, people are talking about this tight end going 7th overall
in in the NFL draft. So just a a question I'm
throwing out there at a very scarce position like tight end.
They're both gonna get overdrafted.
I think in these rookie drafts, Warren and Loveland.
And I think to your point, Ray, what we're gonna see is the
premium tier of wide receiver. Your Jefferson, your Chase, your
Lam, Those guys are gonna actually get more expensive
because there's going to be a group of 30 guys who score
between 11 1/2 and 13.2 half point PPR points per game.
Or just like a huge swath of guys who are replaceable.
And I mean, anyone who's played Dynasty for a serious amount of
time knows that that the 12 1/2 point scoring wide receiver is
the most replaceable guy on your roster, basically.
Yeah, I think we're starting to undersell Mcmillan's ceiling
though a little bit in those scenarios.
I mean, this was a guide people were extremely excited about as
AI mean what? Why are, why are we less or why
are we down on McMillan? Why is it even a thing that
Matthew Golden could be going? Ahead of because because the NFL
is telling us that like the the the smoke signals are is the NFL
telling us that about that? But the NFL is telling us that
for reasons that I just don't really care about, like they're
they're like this guy's like such a great like outside speed
guy who's going to help open up other routes for, you know,
like, like he'd be great on Dallas because he'd be such a
great compliment to CD Lamb. I'm like, I don't, I don't care.
You're telling me that like, you're just not that interested.
Like, well, Tat's an X and he's going to base, he's going to
dominate targets. And if you need like a big
possession receiver who can add after the catch, then he's a
really good fit for that. But, you know, as an NFL team,
I'm just like, not as excited about that, OK?
But like, that's great for us. That's really, really good for.
Us 100% Pat, just because the team, Just because a player has
WRRBTE behind their name does not mean every team views them
and how they will open up their they're not playing fantasy.
They're looking at Matthew. You're a great compliment to CD.
You can run down the field to open shit up for number 88, but
his role and Ted's role, they're probably not even the same.
Ted, you're going to be a target earner right?
You run over the middle of the field.
So totally agree Pat that teams deployment of these guys are
completely different irrespective of the ranking.
And it the Ted kind of stuff, I mean, you kind of have two outs,
right, where say goes top ten, say goes to the Panthers.
Like that's a pretty significant investment in draft capital.
You're feeling good about that. You like the offense or even if
he does slide, if he slides to the what, the early 20s, which
is probably the worst case scenario, you're going to a team
with a good quarterback like the Packers would be interested in
him. We've talked about the Broncos
when we did our mock draft, like those are pretty good spots too,
tied to young quarterbacks as well.
So it does seem like his early outlook is going to be pretty
good almost no matter what. I mean knock on wood, like I
guess some bad things could happen, but he seems pretty
insulated in that. Region.
There's also like a really wide range.
I was listening to the NFL Stock Exchange podcast and they were
like strongly considering as a what they would do, not what
they think would happen, but it's what they would do.
Taking Ted at 4:00 to the Patriots, you know, and I think
like he's still in play to go to the Panthers and, you know, be
like the clear number one for a quarterback who really enjoyed
throwing to Adam Thielen. So I feel like, you know, a
possession receiver doesn't get a lot of separation anymore is
probably fine for him. So there are some really high
upside, like draft high upside, landing spots that come with
draft capital still. He's more likely at this point
that he's drafted in the 20s than in like the top 8.
But I wouldn't completely rule that out.
Make it clear I I like McMillan but I just would prefer award
over him. Like I I like 3 year producer 10
McMillan super clean. I just think positionally
quarterback just kind of rules it all in dynasty.
For people tuning in, this is a super flex tight end premium
rookie draft. So hence the quarterback at 3.
Blair, you're on the clock at 5. I'm I'm excited to see where you
go here. Well, I legitimately think there
are probably like four or five guys that you could take here
and be fine with, and I'm going to go with one who's maybe a
little controversial sentiments down on him, but I'm still a
fan. Luther Burden.
OK, yeah, talk to us about Luther Burden here.
Yeah, Luther Burden in a way gives off kind of strong Jalen
Rager vibes, but his decking? What?
Are you starting to boot case off strong?
Yeah. Hold on, you didn't let me
finish. His next highest comp in the box
score scout is Justin Jefferson. He's a guy who has kind of this,
it's a weird production profile. We saw it with like Juju, where
you break out in sophomore your sophomore year and then kind of
for reasons probably related to the offense in some way, take a
step back in in year 3. But I'm still still a believer
in his profile. Nice, I love.
It I've thought of him as like DJ Moore ish as I.
That's a good one. That's a good one with the
upside. He's the charm.
He's the charmilion of DJ Moore's.
Just stop it. You might be the char, the
Charmander. I have to apologize for Davis.
He likes to make Pokémon references to every player.
That's all right. I'm all about.
I was. Going to say.
You think Ray's not hip brother? He is.
He knows. Fucking it, brother.
Come on, baby. What what is what's your take on
on Burden Ray? He's fine, right?
The, the, the, the, what we're seeing is the NFL, they, they
think he's going to be a top 50 pick, which is great.
I, I think he's got a specific role.
Love to see where he lands. I, I, I, I think that's a player
that I'm very curious to see which team he ends up on and we
start to project some opportunity.
I think he's a good player. I think he's a good player.
Yeah, and it's probably with how deep this running back class is,
like ADP wise, he's probably going to get jumped here, right?
Because one of these guys that's still on the board is going to
bink a really nice landing spot. And dynasty drafters are not
going to be able to help themselves even if Burden does
get a good landing spot probably.
But Ron, any, any Burden takes. I like Burden.
He just scares me. You know, you have guys that
come up like I can't remember who the the first one was that
we just sort of touched on that was a but like Leviska Chennault
comes up like there's just a lot of these weird usage guys that
are kind of like gadgety in a way and have up and down
profiles. I don't know.
He just has a high ceiling, low floor, which I think is fine.
And then you have other like I I know JJ Zach Reese and his model
I think has him as like the wide receiver 1.
So it's a it's very interesting. Luther Burden, but.
Although JJ has, he has Ted as his wide receiver, one in his
ranks, but he cut. But Burden came out first in the
model, Yeah. Yeah, like like numbers seem to
like him, like early producer. He was a monster recruit as
well, which is like always a nice like cherry on top or
whatever. He just like I just I have trust
issues with NFL teams using him in a correct fashion.
He only played at Missouri big basically out of like being a
good dude. He's a local, he's a local Saint
Louis guy and they they offered him a he got offered a bunch of
NIL money to leave and he was like, no, like they recruited
me. They believed in me.
I'm staying very similar to Genti actually.
Like it's crazy that the the number one O one guy went to a
group of five school. Genti got offered like crazy
money to go elsewhere and he said, no, I'm staying because
they believed me when I was a freaking three star recruit
playing at Italian military bases.
Luther Burden is that's a true story, by the way, Luther Burden
is going to be you. You are going to be the happiest
game and relative to your league mates.
He he's not the same type of player, but he's going to be
like the Brian Thomas junior where we look back at the rookie
draft ADP and be like, holy shit, dude, I I just got Brian
Thomas junior at the 110 of my rookie draft.
I can't believe it. Yeah, yeah, we got a
sacrilegious said. This is a classic Blair pick.
If he hit, he's gonna nuke. I will point out previous years,
you know, Blair last year had Brock Towers at 4, obviously an
Uber smash there in Titan Premium.
And then three years ago I got it all the same sheet here.
Javier Gibbs at three be taking Anthony Richardson over him not
aging very gracefully. That's.
A good point of All right, Ron, it's your time to shine.
Let's go, Ron. Here at six and seven.
Let him cook. Let him cook.
Cook, Baby. Yeah, I'll just take both the
Ohio State running backs real quick.
Nice. Give me, give me Quinton
Judkins, Give me Trevion Henderson.
Any order that you'd like the record to officially show?
Give me give me Henderson first, Give me Henderson first, then
Judkins. People forget.
I know, I know raising these Debbie streets like Trevion
Henderson after his freshman year.
It was him in Bijon as like the the top two guys for a second.
Now, of course, you know, Debbie, it's kind of crazy.
You had years were like Quinn, yours was over Caleb Williams.
But Trevon Henderson was kind of the the Prince who was promised
monster recruit pretty crazy freshman year at Ohio State when
they were very good at football. And then some injuries, some
things kind of knocked him off course.
But when you kind of zoom out and you just look at two players
who are hyper productive, Henderson, one who caught 27
balls in 2021 on an Ohio State team with, you know, Marvin
Harrison, junior, JSN Olave, everybody there, very impressive
stuff. They both test very well.
Judkins, you can kind of poke holes in that.
He didn't really catch many passes.
And I know a lot of the missed tackles, forced EPA yards, have
to contact. Don't really like him.
But at the end of the day with Quinton Judkins, like he ran for
over 1500 yards as a freshman at Ole Miss, which is pretty
impressive. And then he's never been like
under 1000 plus scrimmage yards the entire time.
And then he tests well, you know, also similar speed score
to a guy like Hampton. I think both guys too are kind
of in the mix to to be if there was going to be 3 running backs
off the board in the first round, it'd be one of these two
as well. And then there's also, you know,
some fun landing spots in the early second round for either of
these guys. So I'll take the running backs,
especially with, I was going to add this when we talked about
Hampton, but the running back landscape is so brutal that the
four running backs off the board are probably like top 7 running
backs in dynasty the minute they get drafted.
It's just kind of like the nature of the position right
now. So I kind of like the idea of
getting one of these guys at the top of the draft as well.
Yeah, I think Judkins, he's like a little Josh Jacobsy in that.
Like, I think you kind of need him to get loaded up with
touches for it to be really all that fun.
But he performs so well at the combine that I think he probably
does get loaded up with touches. He ends up somewhere in the
early second round is like a clear cut starter.
And if you like start with that, he looks pretty great.
You know, can he can he be really productive as a clear cut
starter? Like definitely.
So Henderson actually, as I wrote up the the running backs,
I got like a little bit more scared on on.
I still have him ahead of Judkins, but the floor for him
is like a little bit more worrying I think.
But his ceiling is really, really fun.
Let's see, Ray, I think you mentioned you were probably
going to be interested in a running back there at 3 or 4
again anyways. I assume it was one of these
guys. No, it was not.
No, it would have been Caleb Johnson.
Caleb Johnson is still, he's still my RB3 in the class.
I think a lot of people, Henderson is mad talented, but
up until this season, people were done with Henderson.
He couldn't stay healthy. He didn't produce Judkins going
there. He produces a freshman and then
he had two down seasons, right. Then Judkins comes in and it
really opened up and I think Trevion Henderson is going to
need that at the next level. He's going to be an excellent
compliment. He's efficient, he's great, he's
fast. I don't think he's some all
world running back. I still think that Caleb
Johnson's ability to operate out of the backfield as like one of
those primary kind of guys, I'm not worried about a freaking
force. Caleb Johnson's definitely
better than him, right? He's.
Just not a fan. I don't care about a 457.
I really don't, man. I, I think we, we overreact to
some of those things to certain degrees.
But a 457 for a 225 LB running back, I'm, I'm perfectly fine
with that. You know, I'm just, I don't want
to say anything to influence the rest of this mock, but I'm very
curious where the next quarterback comes off the board.
Yeah, Blair, you have any thoughts on these running backs?
Henderson strikes me as a guy Blair would typically like.
Yeah, I like both of these guys. I think honestly I would take
both of them ahead of Cam Ward. OK, now we're getting.
Spicy. Now we're getting spicy.
Is that an indictment award, or just how much you love these
two, or a little bit of both? A little bit of both, but yeah,
Henderson and Judkins, they both look, look like yeah, really
good, really good backs. I am probably a little bit
higher on Henderson just because of the the pass catching stuff.
And yeah, he is another another guy who's been good for a long
time, good as a young player. So yeah.
All right, but any other Davis you have takes on either of
these running backs? So I wonder if this will be one
of the spots where we look back on it and we're like, wow, I
can't believe we did take like Penderson's good and Judkins is
good, but they both kind of have like pretty obvious holes in
their game. Really.
They were both best when they were 18 and then kind of
struggled and like worked through things in different
ways. Doesn't necessarily mean they're
bad, but I do just kind of wonder if we will look back at
this and be like, wow, I can't believe we were so thirsty for
these two specific guys from this class had Cam Scataboo and
Devin Neil and Bashel Tooten and Damian Martinez and Laquint
Allen. And like all these guys who were
like very good and are could be contributors even on J3.
Because the other thing about this NFL class is it's so deep
and it's so good that I think some teams in the NFL who are
not, you know, totally taken by the Barkley Henry Jacobs from
last year are gonna be like, this class is so good.
Let's just not take a guy on day 2 and there's gonna be 3 guys we
have big green flags on. And whichever 1 is there, when
we pick at 1:13, we're gonna take that guy and we're gonna be
really happy with it. Yeah, that's that's part of my
concern with this draft class. It's actually that teams are
gonna be in that spot and they're gonna end up up and like
that team will have a starting running back, like a clear cut
starter. They do not need running back,
but they're but they like to invest in running back and
they're getting like the top guy on their board by a mile as a
running back because it's around 4 and this dude shouldn't be
there. You know, that's like, but the
nice thing about Henderson and Judkins is that that's not going
to happen to them. These guys I think have locked
up top 50 draft capital so. That's one of the things I'm
actually a little bit nervous about with Caleb Johnson is I
think he might be like 1/3 rounder now and that could.
He's just too good. See, I just don't, I and I, I
cannot argue with any data, but just I don't think it matters.
Like maybe if you're talking about longevity and how long,
but if a third round Caleb Johnson lands in Washington and
you've got a second round, mid to late second round Judkins, I
don't see that. I don't, I don't know how that's
that big of a difference. I mean, they both topped out at
22 receptions. The athleticism I can't argue
with. I'm just speaking to the
deployment of running backs on specific teams and the way that
they're used. I I don't think the NFL teams
give a shit like we're going to utilize you until you can't play
anymore. Whether you're 5th, 6th rounder,
third round, or second rounder. Get these touches, make
something happen, or get out of the way if you.
If you get the landing. Spot 17 PAT the the 1st 2 rounds
rounds 1 and 2 and 2017. You have 4 running backs taken
in the historic 2017 class. In the 1st 64 picks there were 4
running backs, so the commanders.
Were. Round 3-4, I mean, I'm just, I
think I guess we're going into just a different football era
where if you're pit tie, your opportunity is locked in for a
little bit longer, but if you could ball what team you land on
and go ball. Right.
But I you have to be right. Like, I think the the issue with
Caleb Johnson's potential draft capital decline is that like
now, it puts more emphasis on us being right about him being
really good. He's going to have to go earn an
opportunity unless he hits like the landing spot lottery, for
sure. B lands in Washington and I kind
of change this a bit, but you know, the further he falls, the
more likely it is he lands somewhere bad, like kind of like
a like a Trey Benson type of situation where it's like, oh,
you're just not going to be starting this year.
That's that's a bummer. Zach Charbonnet went went second
round. But that kind of thing where
you're like, oh, I thought you were going to be starting this
year and you're not. And the but the other thing is
right, it's just like almost all of these guy and why it's going
to be so chaotic for the running back position in general is like
all of these guys are going to go have some kind of
competition. It's just how much do they
wrestle away from the incumbent, right?
Like it's like how much how much do you steal away from Jalen
Warren and how much does he hold you off?
Like in that band there is going to go a long way in determining
like how big a hits these guys are.
Right. And you know, my boy Ronald
Jones was a full red shirt as like the 38th pick in the draft.
So the second round draft capital doesn't doesn't lock you
an opportunity. It gives you a head start.
Yeah. All right, this is the the draft
so far. Ashton, JT, one O 1, Omari and
Hampton. We get our first quarterback at
3, Cam Ward. Then we piss yellow for a couple
here, Ted McMillan, Luther Burden and then Ron comes back
in double taps the Ohio State running backs Tribune, Henderson
and Quinton Judkins. This means Davis is on the clock
for his 2nd pick today. Travis Hunter, wide receiver,
New York. Times.
I almost took, I almost took him at three, I almost took him.
At 3:00 and then. I well, then I looked at the
board, I looked at the, I just wanted to have this on the
record. And I then I looked at the board
and I was like, oh, I'll probably be able to take him
there if whatever team takes him comes out.
Basically, I'm assuming if the Titans don't take him at one,
all the other teams at the top, it makes so much more sense for
them to play him as a wide receiver.
Browns need a wide receiver big time.
Giants are like begging for for they they they have they
actually have one good corner on the team.
It's like one of their only good defensive players, Patriots.
I mean, they just gave Stefan Diggs half the GDP of El
Salvador. They need a wide receiver.
Like it's it's it's it's it's it's big time and again,
thinking about it more and more, all the money is to be made at
wide receiver. All the fame for Travis Hunters.
Like if you just want to talk about like national attention,
how fans interact with them and from AGM perspective about a
general manager wanting to save his job, Fans, fans are not
going to be able to kick out the fine.
You know, oh, look, look how Travis Hunter, you know,
deflects his body away so the wide receiver can't get to his
spot. Even if he is very good at that,
even if he leads the NFC East in past breakups or whatever, that
does not keep you from getting fired.
You know what keeps you from getting fired?
Travis Hunter. You know, scoring a 70 yard
touchdown and then doing the Heisman Trophy celebration in a
13 point loss to the Washington Commander.
So that at least helps you keep your job.
So Travis Hunter. I'm curious what you guys think
of this as maybe not as extreme of a Travis Hunter bowl as me
and Davis. Because the other thing I was
thinking about this with through the lens of dynasty, right, is
we're generally more willing to take on some of these extreme
polarizing risks in basketball, right?
The boom bust because it's like, you know what, you hit great,
you burn it, whatever $10 team, it's done.
Like in Dynasty, you are playing a bit of a safety game more,
which on the surface, Travis Hunter seems like kind of like
boom, busty from a fantasy prospect.
But then when you zoom out on it, like you have the insulation
of him being an incredible football player.
And even in the scenarios where he does play some defensive back
over the longevity of his career, if anything, the dynasty
market is going to be able to say, OK, but then what happens
when he does finally start getting used as a wide receiver?
Almost similar to the argument we made about a running back
going in a timeshare. It's like, well, what happens
when he does get the full workload?
So does anyone else find this price too high?
Too low? I'm curious what the the
committee thing. I was praying you'd fall to me.
I mean, I think the upside is just so high.
His like digging into him as a wide receiver prospect.
I think he's the wide receiver one and it's just like, does he
play wide receiver? And you, you know, if you think
that Shador's going top three, which is definitely still very
up in the air. But if he goes top three, then
Hunter is most likely going to end up on the Patriots where
they desperately need a play making wide receiver and they
already have a quarterback. So he's probably a wide receiver
there if he doesn't go to the pay, if the Patriots were to
like take Membu or something and pass or the trade off the pick
or whatever, like the Jaguars are in play.
I think he's probably a wide receiver there.
So and the other thing is that I've been hearing stuff at first
it seemed like he was a cornerback.
I thought he's a wide receiver. Now I think he's actually a
cornerback. Recently it's been some of the
stuff I'm hearing is like, no, no, no, I think this dude's a
wide receiver. Matt Harmon's write up on him
was was glowing as a wide receiver, obviously.
So I'm I'm starting to wonder if the NFL actually thinks this
guy's a wide receiver and if if he's a wide receiver, this is
way too late. All right, Ray, got to get the
the official Ray Travis Hunter take here.
I got nothing else to add, man. He's an incredible player.
I, I, I honestly think from an NFL standpoint, teams would be
silly not to try them both ways, that he's going to play both
sides of the ball. You'd be foolish not to draft,
to draft this guy, not give him an opportunity to play.
I think it's going to be the thing that we debate about all
summer, and if I'm Travis Hunter's camp, if I'm an NFL
team, I'm not letting anybody know how much or how little he's
going to play on either side of the ball.
It's worth the swing right here at 8:00.
I, too, agree that he would be the top wide receiver in this
class today if he were to just say that's what I'm going to
interact and declare at. I think he wants to do both.
He's been very outspoken from the time he was a high school
prospect of Jackson State at Colorado.
I'm going to play both ways. They will run less plays in the
NFL. He's going to do it.
So I think it's worth a swing. It's a it's a, and here's the
thing, in Dynasty, you don't need him to be Justin Jefferson.
You just need a couple of other people in your league to think
that's going to be the outcome. And then you probably can get a
King's ransom for him. You also have if he goes to the
Giants at 3:00 or if he goes to the the Browns at two, you also
have like the he's going to at some point get a better
quarterback. He might get a new coaching
staff. There's going to be probably
points along the line where it's like, no, no, he's actually
going to play full time wide receiver now and he's got a
quarterback upgrade. There's there's many times after
this year that I think we get really excited about Travis
Hunter because he can he's awesome at football like you
have. How much of a discount should we
give people on a guy who no one disagrees with the the
statement? He's awesome at football.
Ron, where you at on Stewart? On Stewart.
I mean, I have, I have his jersey behind me.
Oh, OK. Literally if you if you could
guarantee me that he runs 80% plus of the routes for like his
entire career, he'd be the one O 1 for me.
Like. He's he's literally like there.
I just have him. I would have taken him at 8 as
well. That that's this is like pretty
much how it shakes out for me as well.
Where this is the spot where you have to take him.
He's an amazing football player. But there is something about
Travis Hunter where he was the number one guy coming out of
high school. He's been this guy the entire
time. He wins Heisman in like the most
showy, Otani spectacular way of all time.
I'm just not betting against him at any point.
Like I think no matter what he does, he's an all pro
generational guy. Ron, 80% is too easy.
What if we just told you right now he's going to be a primary
receiver? You don't know any percentages.
He's going to play. He's going to play some corner,
but we're drafting him as a receiver.
Where would he go? He's he's going to be more
receiver than corner. Where would you take him?
No 80% right now, though. I'd say 2.
If you, if he, if he comes out
as receiver, his name's on the thing as receiver.
He comes out, they they, they bring somebody out, you know,
they have the, the lady interviewed about the draft.
So, So what do we play in Travis?
He says. I'm a wide receiver first, Boom.
Second overall for me. Isn't it telling, though?
All of these hypothetical exercises we've done are all of
the reasons we should have him higher.
No one is higher. But if this happens, he'd be,
you know, a second. No, I, I, I literally raised him
in the ranks because I was like sitting here, like, who do I
want? And it's, it's Travis Hunter.
And so yeah, I just, we should just have him higher.
He should, I mean. I win.
Can we all just agree I won this exercise I got.
Not if he plays cornerback. Not if the colour coding's.
Right on the chart. Not if he plays cornerback.
I'm so scared. I I.
Maybe tried drafting an offensive player?
You're you're on record. Can't believe I passed on video
influence. Your your Travis Hunter outlook.
So I, I, I LED you to, to the water that that is.
Oh, go ahead. I was just gonna say I agree
with everything about the upside case, but the one thing I don't
want to necessarily bet on is NFL teams doing something that's
smart. So.
Yeah, that's where that's where I think the the downside case
comes in. And there's like a bell curve
like I, cuz I know you were saying Pete, like later in his
career he could maybe build up the routes or whatever.
I think that there is kind of a bell curve where you see guys,
whether they're at corner or wide receiver, like they stop
returning punts at a certain point.
Or like, I think like maybe Patrick Peterson used to like
return punts and play both ways, but that was like maybe only
like his first two or three years.
I think like after the first, you know, it like he's not going
to be DB through year six and then all of a sudden he's going
to come out and players like he did in college.
You know, Jackson State was a little bit, then a little more
and then a bunch. But there is kind of a bell
curve to it where I think, you know, you're 789.
If it didn't happen by then, it didn't happen.
Well, and I think Ray mentioned, and I completely agree, I do
think he is going to get a crack to play both ways and see how it
goes. But I think if anything gets
trimmed, it's like the defensive side, right?
Like maybe the dude is just the Unicorn of all unicorns and he
plays a lot on both defense and offense.
But like if something gets trimmed and they're like, you're
so good at wide receiver, let's just take you down to maybe a
few packages on defense, right? Like I find it hard to imagine
it going the other way. Like you're really good.
We're going to like scale back your offensive impact on our
team so you can be 100% defensive player.
That seems like the least likely of the scenarios to me.
And I think the fascinating part that's like over my head at this
point is just like how he handles both playbooks.
Like I think, I think at Colorado, the story is that a
coach on the sideline would just give him a signal to just like
run a route. Like he didn't even really, he
didn't really know the entire offensive playbook.
Like I don't know what that looks like.
You know what I mean? Like, I don't know how you
situationally deploy a corner, whether it's like only in dime
or something. But I think like this is just me
spectating, but it'll be very interesting.
I wonder if they almost like do it week by week to an extent
where you like, you know, let's say there's a rash of injuries
and it's like we need, we need Hunter on the defensive side for
the next couple weeks and they just like bring him over rather
than trying to have him do it like, you know, during a game.
But also even think we talk a lot about, you know, when guys
are questionable, right? And they're like, well, he's
just going to be used in high impact scenarios.
You know, in this game, like not it's like, OK, like if Travis
Hunter is going to be used in high impact scenarios, we get
into the red zone, you know, we have the goal line and this guy
can just go and play one-on-one and beat whoever.
On but that that actually goes to the the concern that maybe
does play cornerback because if you're thinking about like how
can you bring someone in in a high leverage situation and feel
really confident, you're more confident about bringing this
dude who doesn't always play on offense out there and he can
make plays as opposed to like the cornerback.
Like this is a weak link system. So if it's like I'm this guy
doesn't play a lot on defense and now we're bringing him in.
I think of the Gronkowski Hail Mary where I think that they
bombed it over top of Gronkowski.
They bring him in and it just it looked, it looked rough.
So real quick to to the to the thing with Hunter's routes and
just the thing he ran 444 pass routes last year and I'm not
good at math here. That ain't that ain't no GQ
strong suit. So I'll leave the percentages to
y'all. Out of those hundred and those
444 routes, 117 of them were the easiest route that you can run
in college football, which is the hitch route.
Just run, turn around, catch the ball and go be an athlete. 117
of 444 were hitch routes and he was targeted on that route more
than any other route that he run in that he ran in 2024 was the
hitch route. Interesting.
I think it was a lot of that just could just go be the best
guy out there. All right, I'm on the clock at 9
devastated to not get to be the one to press the button on
Hunter, but I'm going to do Tyler Warren.
I hear people do forget this is Titan premium seems like a
virtual lock for the top ten. Maybe like falls a little bit
my. Man my man took Jelani Woods
rotational partner with. Get out of here.
Don't. Don't get out of.
Here he's already Zach has already added him to the Spider
man. Pointing meme graphic with MO
ally kids. Get out of here, Alan.
Granson. Get out of here.
Davidson just pissed he had to take Cam Ward and couldn't have
done a fancier pick. 44% of Anthony Richardsons routes at
the 1.9. Dude.
No, Tyler Warren, one of the most productive tight ends we've
seen coming out of college, can do it all.
And yes, he he doesn't have to be Brock Bowers to be a smash at
this this price tag for dynasty. And like Ray was saying too,
like the positional advantage you can now get in dynasty with
some of these elite tight ends is massive.
So I'm not going to overthink the the top ten draft pick.
And yes, the Colts landing spot would not be ideal, but we are
very bad at predicting those kind of things this far in
advance as well. I I got a question for everyone.
Let's say Brock Bauer sucked last year. 600 receptions, 3
touchdowns. Don't don't even include the
fact that Laporta and McBride also back-to-back years or
pretty well. McBride was bad until the final
four games but just pretend Bowers like sucked or was fine
but but did not was not the tight end one in fantasy.
Didn't break Pukunakua's receptions record.
Where are we? What are we thinking about?
Tyler Warren, who sat behind Brenton Strange and Theo Johnson
as a 21 year old for Penn State. That's a true story by the way.
He's he's Penn State's tight end 3 as a 21 year old.
Yeah, it was Theo Johnson, Brenton Strange.
And then his freshman year, Pat Fryermuth was there.
I was just digging into him a little more.
I, I, so I haven't been that high on Warren throughout, but
I'm digging in. I'm gonna get my tight end
article up soon. And I mean the final year was
just so, so good. And he's a traditional why tight
ends, you know, good blocker. You know, the the filmy vows are
are, you know, pristine. So you're he's actually he also,
you know, gets used a little bit around the goal line as a as a
runner Wildcat, all that. So you're I'm kind of more in
than I thought I was going to be.
And I don't know that that this is necessarily us chasing
Bowers. I mean, he hasn't been.
I thought it was going to get a little out of control and it
hasn't yet. It's been now if he goes to the
Colts, yeah, it's been rational. I think it's been rational.
So I'm actually kind of coming a little bit higher on on Tyler
Warren than I initially. I'm just being a Dick because it
was Peter's pick. Does the double whammy of
getting sniped on Hunter for David get all over my?
Pick. I think you could you could
argue for Warren as early as five in in this draft.
If he avoids the Colts, I think you could argue for him to be
3:00. What if the Bengals take him?
OK, Yeah. I didn't just scare the hell out
of me, man. Like, we got hours last year,
but before that we're talking like Pitts, like Hawkinson's
been cool, like a. Porta you know a.
Fan but Laporta wasn't like a round one dunk.
Michael Mayer was the consensus one overhead.
Michael Mayer is another name. But I loved coming out and it
doesn't matter. You could go like Noah Fan.
You could talk through like Tyler Eifer.
It is, it is the position where RSQ between draft capital and.
The lowest is. The lowest.
Yeah. And between like anything like
production metrics like none of it.
None of it. That's why like that, that's
that's why I was going to like say like I, I, I feel both
arguments because like with or you can kind of poke holes in
both where like Davis is saying, OK, look who he was behind as a
freshman for Titan. It doesn't matter.
Like you could like OJ Howard was a monster.
At Alabama. And that was just giving room
that was as a 21 year old junior that he was the Titan 3 on Penn
State just to be. Clear.
I just don't. I don't know that it matters a
ton. Like I was I was looking it up
just a kind of just a tongue in cheek of like.
Kittle as a junior was out produced by Henry Krieger Kobel,
a tight end to Iowa. If you wanted to play in all of
the top titles of our. Generation.
That's a good game. Kittle in the 5th, we're talking
Kelsey like the second or third. Like none of these guys like get
drafted. Like there is no Jamar.
There's Brock Bowers, but that's it.
That's that's literally it in terms of tight end.
I I, I I agree with both Davis and Ron.
I think there is a world where Tyler Warren is absolutely worth
this, if not more. But the beautiful thing about
this class is I can also make a case for Mason Taylor, who we
probably won't even take, and he's going to be drafted later
and he'll probably get a chance to start.
You've got Elijah Arroyo. There's like 10 Titans in this
class that at opportunity cost, like you better be right.
Tyler went for this bet to pay off.
He can't be pat fryer move. He he he you don't want that.
You don't want a good tight end. He's got to be Bowers or or up
there in that range. I think I'd rather just take a
shot on an Arroyo or whomever that tight end four or five is
that's going to be drafted in a spot to get opportunity to go
play. But I I could see both cases for
for here. I think at the very least Warren
is a much much stronger bet to be drafted in like the top 7
rounds of best ball drafts next year then like a Tailor or an
Arroyo. Like he or I mean he's a better
bet than Loveland all. I think they're probably similar
to your, but we're we're pretty likely to end up anointing Tyler
Warren as the next thing at some point.
I, I do want to say one thing on the record.
He's not going to get the Taysom Hill stuff that everyone is
imagining. If Brock Bowers didn't get it,
Tyler Warren ain't getting it. The, the, the Wildcat, the
running stuff, he's, he's bigger, but Bowers was, Bowers
was, I think 300 running yards, 9 rushing touchdowns off the top
of my head, Tyler Warren was like 250 and, and three I think
I, I, and I, I'm not saying Warren is bad.
I just think there's a lot of pattern matching going on from
we just saw rookie Titan who we all like smash to this rookie
Titan that we all like is also destined to smash.
If. 9th is fair though I will. I will say that 9th is
absolutely fine. It's of course we're just.
We're just talking about the player.
We're just vibing. I think part.
Of it too is like who, who else are you supposed to take here?
Like you're looking at like. I actually was excited to make
this pick because it felt like a pretty big tear gap after
warrant to me. I mean, Golden is a boom bust
prospect like this dude. I mean, I, I was hoping that we
were going to get the the reception perception write up on
him was going to be glowing because like that's such a big
part of it's like, oh, dude, this guy wins with route
running. That's fine.
And I'm like, OK, well, he's he's fast, but on tape he's not
supposed to be like this, this speed merchant.
He's kind of like he's not great after the catch.
You know, you look at his numbers, it's like his yak
stuff. He had some yak on behind the
line of scrimmage targets, but if you look at downfield yak,
really unimpressive. He gets open, but maybe he's not
like amazing at getting open. So it's really just like, yeah,
this guy is a three-year prospect, didn't produce a lot,
but that gives you maybe some upside given that he's going to
get drafted probably in the top 20.
But I, I have a hard time getting like super excited about
like, give me Warren, you know, over, over Matthew Golden.
I I think I feel confident about that.
I also think like, like in, you know, poking holes in, like the
tight end hit rates. We don't have that many tight
ends who have gone top ten, like in the past 20 years.
Like, yeah, she can point to Kyle Pitts.
You have what you have Hawkinson, Ebron would be a
bust, but you could go back to like, Vernon Davis.
I was just looking at some of the names, Like it is a very
small cohort of players who've actually gotten that kind of
draft capital. You also if Kelsey had micro
fracture surgery right coming in, he had some, I think it was
micro fracture issue and then Rob Gronkowski had a back
injury. So both those guys probably
would have been first round picks.
I don't know how high, but. Kelsey wouldn't have Gronk.
Gronk could. Have Gronk would have, yeah.
But, you know, the some of the great prospects that we've had
had like had red flags that pretend, you know, hurt them.
Now, Kyle Pitts obviously hurts, but Warren, if there's a Kyle
Pitts in this draft, it's Loveland.
Loveland is in that mold More, much, much more than than.
Yeah. All right, Pat, you're on the
clock with 10 and then we're we're probably going to have to
pick up our pace here. I want to, I don't want to keep
our guests too much longer than like 430 here.
So let's start to speed round a little bit, but I don't want to
short shortchange Pat on his his his picks here.
Well, yeah, I mean, it's been, you know, I've had to just talk
about the other selections because I'm sitting at 10:00 and
12:00. It's just.
The worst spot for this entire mock.
Draft well, it's the worst spot, but at worst this means that I
finished third in the league and I like to think I won the league
and also traded for for this 10th pick.
So I'll throw my Venmo in the in the private chat here Yeah as
the champ, I'm going to go ahead and take the the Kyle Pitts.
Give me, give me Coulson Loveland.
OK. Yeah, I think Loveland Titans,
he's just, he's, I think Warren's a better prospect, but
I think Loveland is a pretty strong tight end prospect.
He's going to have first round draft capital.
The fact that he might fall a little further could be pretty
good for us. You know, him going to like the
Chargers or something obviously would be awesome.
There's some landing spots that you get pretty excited about.
As long as you just get past the Colts, man, just get past the
Colts and we're good. But he's more of the pass
catcher. I think that gives a little bit
have a lower floor actually, like he could end up on a team
where they're they they aren't playing him in that full time
role. No a fan type of downside, but
obviously as the kind of the big wide receiver archetype and
actually kind of a good deep threat by tight end standards.
He he has kind of a Dalton Kincaid, but it works type of
type of ceiling. I do just want to point out Pat,
that you can't spell Colston without Colts.
So just remember that next time you say no Colts for him.
Any other takes on on Loveland here from the crew?
That could be a guy where you look back and you can.
I can't believe I spent my rookie first on this.
You can say that about any of these guys.
But I mean, we're talking like Warren at least like has like
high level experience, like clearly was the best player on
his team. That Michigan offense, not even
like a real football team. They they put Alex Orgy in at
quarterback and we're just like effectively running the Wing T
Like he was like not on a serious football team.
So like, I don't think we know what Colson Loveland is really
with any kind of like remember how Steven Hill had like a 90%
dominator rating? It just a totally a fake way.
Loveland, like Loveland, had a 20 or 30% dominator rating with
like 500 yards. Yeah, there's also like we were
talking about how this goes pre and post draft.
There's a really good chance like say these two landing spots
are the Colts and The Jets. Maybe Ron can speak on this, but
it's like the market's not going to be like super excited about
those spots. These guys are probably going to
get jumped by running backs in most, most scenarios ADP wise.
Ron, do you think your your Jets take a Mulligan on the passing
on Brock Bowers and and go ahead and grab one of these guys?
It would it would be perfect Jets.
It would be like the most jets thing ever.
I was on your stream last year. I mean Fasan who's great, but
like I wanted Bauer so bad. It would make sense.
It is worth noting it's a different regime.
So I don't think that like I don't know that Aaron Glenn
really cares, but it wouldn't shock me for them to go for like
a Loveland and what Glenn comes from Detroit who's kind of taken
like Gibbs and he's like they don't care about positions or
whatever. So I could see it as like a
weapon of sorts for The Jets. But yeah, I I wish I could say
something more positive. All right, Blair, on the clock
at 11. You started your draft with
Luther Burden. A little controversy there.
Do you? Got another spicy one for us.
Well, my tight end one, of course, hasn't even gone off the
board yet, but I'm still going to, I think, go with Ray's guy
here and take Caleb Johnson. OK, All right.
Yeah. I was wondering if Caleb Johnson
was going to fall all the way to Ray at 13.
Talk to us about Caleb Johnson and then we'll let Ray gush
about him a little bit as well. Yeah, obviously super
productive. A little bit disappointing that
he was, you know, 45740, but as Ray said, that's not bad at 224
or whatever he weighed in. And I think that that plays fine
at the NFL level. Yeah, he's young, he's
productive, he's what I like. I wish probably he caught more
passes, but I think we've seen a lot of a lot of backs be able to
not really add that. But they don't show it in
college necessarily. And then it turns out they're
actually pretty good at it. So it's not something that I
think is disqualifying. Ray, you, I think you inferred
you have Caleb as your RB3 in this class.
Yeah, I do. Yeah, I do.
I do. I know a lot of people will talk
about Iowa's offensive line and all this other stuff that to me,
this is the, the biggest piece of missing context with data in
college is there's 134 teams that they're, they're all so
incredibly different in how they deploy schemes, what they do
with these players, how they use them.
You just, you kind of got to just trust what you're hearing
from the NFL draft community, what the scouts are saying.
And then just like, he's a big ass running back, dude.
He's a big hammer of a running back.
I always talk about the difference between running backs
that can be deployed as pass catching weapons and those that
could just catch the ball. He's not a weapon.
Like he's not Christian McCaffrey, that that was never
part of his game. He can catch the ball, but he's
not going to be deployed as a weapon.
I just think that a player like that, he's going to serve a
purpose. You might not have liked Brian
Robinson, but you know exactly what you have.
When the Commanders drafted him, what role he was going to assume
he's a usable body at a running back position.
He's young, he's he's got speed, he's explosive, he's fast
enough. He's checked the bare minimum
thresholds and requirements for a player of his size.
And I think at the end of the day, he's going to be a day two
pick. And if you're a day 2 running
back and you're going to get some opportunity, then I'm fine
with with taking the shot. I think he's a good player.
Pat on the clock the the last pick of round 12, assuming this
is AA12. Person draft here.
Yeah, this is like this isn't the most fun spot to be.
You kind of feel like you're looking at, you know, maybe like
you want to trade back a little sort of flat.
But I'll, I'll go shoot door at this.
Point I'll I'll trade up with you.
Damn it, Pat. Damn you, Pat.
Right race Snipe twice. It's all, it's all the
quarterback arguments that we made for Cam Ward, but you're
getting him at the 1:12 instead. Of the one O 3.
Thank you. Why is there a gap?
Why, if, if, if we're going to spew all this draft capital and
we're we're talking about a player right now who's projected
to go #2 potentially right after Cam Ward, three at the worst.
But I don't want them get give me the goddamn tight end Colston
Loveland over Shadour. Hey, come on.
Come on away. That's too far, right?
When you come for Loveland, that's where we draw the.
Line. Sorry, sorry, sorry.
But you? Why?
I think it's it's because the
perception is even when you're right or when you hit on Sanders
and he's good, that the fantasy impact isn't that big.
I think that's the that's the counter.
You know, in a in a dime. Throwing a Calvin Ridley, I got
Malik. Neighbors.
I got neighbors. Andrew, I was in a draft, a
rookie draft. It was pre draft.
This is the the Trey Lance Justin Fields year and I believe
it was Scott Barrett took Mac Jones at like the 112 and I was
like trying to trade for the pick to get Mac Jones and like
that was a good pick. You know, like Mac Jones didn't
long term work out, but he had that promising rookie season.
People were excited about. You know, we're drafting him in
best ball and stuff the year after.
I think even if Shaddor's like a straight up bust, we're probably
optimistic about his outlook in 2026.
In the summer of 2026, we have hope for Shaddor Sanders and and
a lot of a lot of outcomes. Not every, you know, he could
have the Bryson rookie year or the Zach Wilson rookie year.
But yeah, I think he's probably going to show some promise.
All right, Ray, you're finally back after your long absence.
The chat is incensed that a certain wide receiver is still
on the board. I will not lead the witness,
though. You are on the clock here.
Picks 13 and 14. I know they're just tearing
y'all apart for not taking Matthew Golden in round one and
I'm going to disappoint him because I'm not taking his ass
here either. Out of Ohio State.
Give me double EI want him Kik buka.
He's talented. He's a good receiver.
I I I I'm just being realistic here.
I do not believe he's a top 12 wide receiver in fantasy
football. I think he's a good number two,
number three option. But you know what?
I play the community sentiment. People like him, people like
Ohio State receivers, people like him.
Mecca, I'm taking Ibuka here, but I'm not going to disappoint
the crowd anymore. I just did that to Pander
because I know I had two back-to-back pitch.
Matthew Golden absolutely should be off of the board right here.
I'll take him. He's projected to be a first
round wide receiver, speed downfield threat.
And I'll just say, even through the disappointment of Jameson
Williams earlier part of his career, the moment he did get
loose down the field and start to do a little bit of something,
people got excited. Hell, even this season with
Quentin Johnston, when it looked like, oh, shit, he might be a
little bit OK. If you had something there.
I think Golden is a little better than them.
And I'm just going to say this, the context around college
football, No team understand what I'm about to say.
No team in college football in 2024 threw more screen passes
than the University of Texas. None, not one.
Quinn Ewers awful. Jalen Mill, Rowan Co folks,
completion percentage over expected.
Quinn Ewers worse than even Riley Leonard and Will Howard
themselves. Just a little context as to what
was going on in that UT offense. It was dreadful.
All right, I yeah. And obviously if I think the
thing that's fascinating about Golden, right, is it if he goes
to the Cowboys, he's going to go higher than this, probably in
drafts, like with that kind of draft capital.
But all the reports are like everywhere else.
And you look at the betting markets too, like they all have
him like outside the top 20 because they're still saying the
most likely thing is the Cowboys don't take him and he falls in
the draft. And guys like EE, like Luther
Burden could perhaps sneak ahead of him in those scenarios, in
which case this ADP or where he went in this draft represents
that range of outcomes pretty nicely because it's probably
going to be lower than this or higher than this.
And this kind of middles it pre draft.
I also think that like in a lot of other classes, one, because
there would be more wide receivers and golden just like
wouldn't go in the first round like he he's only going in the
real life NFL first round because there's it's not a good
wide receiver class. So he's getting pulled up.
I think pretty much everyone would agree, right?
And then you're also looking at a fantasy class that there's
maybe it'll feel deeper after the draft and we get landing
spots and we're super excited about some running backs we
haven't even taken yet. But as of right now, it doesn't
feel all that deep. We don't have a great
quarterback class for superflex. And so like Golden, I just he's
a type of prospect that you're would often be finding in the
second round of I mean, when do where do we take lad Mcconkey
last year taking him in the second round right he.
Was he was like the one 11112? He's he's not as good a prospect
as Mcconkey. You know, I, I don't know, I
think we're kind of any uproar that Golden still on the board
is, is very we're very kind of trapped in the moment.
No, he's he's the worst prospect than Mcconkey, I think.
All right, Davis, you're on the clock here.
Pick 15 chat talking about a big tear break here.
It it does start to feel just completely wide open at this
point. Yeah, I'm a little tilted.
I was hoping to get to take Matthew Golden and and
capitalize on that. I'm gonna select Harold Fannon
Junior. 53% Dominar rating from Harold Fannon Junior.
You wanna talk about he probably is gonna be a third round pick.
He's gonna they're gonna be running backs to go ahead of him
in the NFL draft that go after him here.
But if Harold Fannon Junior hits, I'll say this, the NFL
team that takes him, assuming it's not the Atlanta Falcons,
which would be hilarious. He is going to come in in a role
where he's used as a fantasy friendly player.
Like no one watched his his fucking blocking drill and was
like, you know what that guy could do?
He could be the lead. He's going to have like a 68%
route share as a rookie. And if he does well on that, it
can grow. I'm not saying Harold Fanning
Junior's like the Super smooth 10 Ras guy.
He's a he's a, he's a football player, man. 53% dominator
rating brother, 53% That's it's just, it's, it's insane stuff,
man. I feel like, I feel like I'm
kind of getting psyopped by the dynasty community that we don't
like this dude who like breaks tight end production metrics.
Did you guys read the the Bob McGinn piece on him where he
talks to the? Scouts I I didn't I didn't read
Bob Mcginn's sub stack article where he talked to scouts.
Well, the scouts weren't very happy with with Harold Fannon.
They are talking about how he he's duck footed.
You know, he's he's like he's kind of undersized.
But then they'd be like, but you know, he like super productive
and he's figured out a way to to overcome all of those weaknesses
I mentioned and just is really good at football.
But yeah, I don't know. I just don't really.
Like that's the thing, some team is going to be like this dude is
just good at the game. It doesn't look good.
Let me tell you. Watch her old fan of junior
film. You're going to be like Jesus
Christ, How did that? Happen yeah that's that's how it
is look pretty I think it looks awesome I I I'm a fan I love.
His knees slap together when he runs.
Dude, I think it's great. All right, I'm going to go.
I'm going to let you guys sort out this like big running back
mess now and let you guys get your favorites.
I'm just going to take Jane Higgins, who I think is the next
best available wide receiver here.
Seems like he's a lock for second round draft capital.
I will let someone else go in a little deeper on him but feels
about the right price for a guy like Jane Higgins here.
That's who I was going to take if I didn't take fan in.
That's a good pick. Ron, any thoughts on Jaden
Higgins? Not really.
Oh wow, you say, if I can't say anything nice.
Yeah, not a single one. Not a single thought.
Ron. Ron likes the other Iowa State
guy like me better. I already know it.
Come on, Ron. Come on, Ron.
I don't know. Higgins is OK.
He's like, I don't know, I've seen this guy a billion times.
Like he's somewhere between Nico Collins and Miles Boykin.
So he has that going for him. I don't know.
I like he's solid. There's just a, there's just a
lot of other guys on the board. I I probably liked here, I
think. Yeah.
All right, Blair, you're on the clock with 17.
Pick 17 here. All right, I'm gonna go with
what seems to be a chat favorite scataboo here, OK?
Yeah, really played in the slappies.
Get your get your Internet points Blair with.
That's right, that's right. I gotta get gotta get those
points. No, I don't know, actually,
Scataboo doesn't. He's one of these older guys who
normally I'm avoiding, but when you look at what he's doing on
the field, it's just hard to. Anybody concerned you're not
going to get any of that testing from that scataboo, he ain't
doing shit jumped. 40 jumped Credit for those jumps.
He got that vert, but he didn't do No 40.
He didn't. Do he'll never do a 40.
Ray, have you considered he might just hop over the
defensive line and not even have to run?
He could teleport, he could do it all.
I just. Well, I there was a report he
was going to do the 40, but then it turned out his trainer was
the same trainer that Xavier Restrepo used, so he opted not
so. Faster Xavier Xavier Restrepo
with a pulled hamstring or Cam scataboo, fully healthy in the
best shape of his. Life.
You don't want to know, you don't want to know, and you'll
never know because Cam is not going to let you know.
All right, Ron, you are on the clock here for back-to-back
picks. I'm gonna, I'm gonna do a call
back to what I did last year. I took in the second round.
I took Michael Pennix. I took Bonex this year.
Give me Jackson Dart. Give me Jalen Millro.
Wow. One of these guys are gonna get
drafted highly. I actually like Jalen Millro
more than Dart. I think the NFL disagrees with
me there. Jalen Millro looks a lot now.
He could very easily suck. He could be Malik Willis, but he
could definitely be, you know, Jalen Hurts is in his range so
much. More dog than Malik Willis?
He he's really fun. You know, I like to say that I,
I don't really watch filmaton, but Georgia versus Alabama was
amazing. Like watching that game live, he
just destroyed that defense. And he'll at least be somebody
that kind of burns bright, scores a lot of fantasy points.
And maybe he's not a long term starter.
Like there was a a split second where Justin Fields was a 12
turn pick. There was a split second maybe
we thought Jalen Hurts wouldn't be the the long term answer for
the Eagles. Maybe there's a spot there for
Jalen Millroy where he's a guy, he's scoring a lot of fantasy
points. You can offload him.
So yeah, I, I like Millroy. I would have taken him as high
as like early 2nd, like probably right where Fannin is.
What I've learned Ron is here to be slappy in.
Dynasty I am a QB Slappy I am. I thought you were the Jackson
dark Guy, Davis the fan and pick I thought would be dark.
So I think the thing was I was a huge dark guy like 3 weeks ago
before Geno Smith got traded for a third round pick to nuke one
of the most likely landing spots but then also kind of nuke the
Seahawks landing spot because they signed a 27 year old
instead of having a 35 year old as their quarterback.
Now I know the Darnell contract they can get out of it and it
can be a bridge, but it made it. Took one landing spot off the
board entirely and then made the other landing spotless.
Fantasy friendly. They're also probably going to
fire everybody, so Dart's going to have to learn a new playbook
after they draft him this year. Exactly, Davis is just
sandbagging. He's hoping Ron doesn't double
tack quarterback here because Davis wants to run to the
podium. Give me Jackson Dart.
I know Davis Maddock.
I know Davis has spent a lot of time on on those sub stacks.
You know Bob McGinn. I don't know if you've seen.
Charles Davis's quarterbacks go 123 Mock draft on NFL.com But.
It acts. Like third overall.
Hosted odd sub stack they on their website over there.
Give me the quarterback who could get drafted in the first
round. It might not be pretty, but I
don't know. Penex got drafted to the spot
with Kirk Cousins and he seems to hold value pretty damn well.
I mean, he's, I mean, I'm not going to promote a dynasty sell
on here, but he played what, like three games?
And he's like a, he's like a fourth round startup pick Now.
If Dart just shows you something at the end of the year, he now
carries into the offseason really good value.
Yeah, that's the comp and it's a, it's a pretty good one.
I like it. All right, Davis, you are on the
clock here. Pick 20.
All right, I don't know which one I want to take out of Harvey
Giddens or Bashel Tooten or Jalen Knoll, but I'm going to go
just for posterity, just like I I will win the Travis Hunter
Wars when we look at this last year.
Give me Bashel Tooten, Virginia Tech.
He just like, dude, he ran a 4.32 at 210 lbs.
He did a chain's combine at 2:10 just like yeah, he fumble 9
times as two years of Virginia Tech as he stepped up in
competition from North Carolina, AT&T or whatever.
A. And TAT and.
T AT&T, that's pretty funny. North Carolina T.
You could, you could, you could make an argument for Gidns, you
could make an argument for Harvey, you could make an
argument for Devin Neil. You could make an argument for
any of these guys. But I'm going with with Tootin,
who also is better past 0 drops his two years of Virginia Tech.
Like like actually like Neil and Gidns get a lot of the passing
game stuff and Laquint Allen, obviously, but I I think Tootin
can do it. He just played with Kyron
Drones, who I think they they had something like 184 completed
passes last year as a team. So yeah, I'm going to slap it up
with Tuten. Yeah, I think I was going to do
that if you didn't. I'm going to select DJ Giddens
here at 21. Looks like top 100 draft
capital, which would be solid. Can catch some passes.
Really explosive. I'm going to go with DJ Giddens
at 21. Pat, you are on the clock at 22.
Yeah, this is it's you get to a point here where we're hunting
for the guy who's going to get drafted like one O 8 and we're
all going to be like, whoa, what are we doing?
We've lost our minds. And that's so much more likely
to happen at running back than the other positions.
I'll take Dylan Sampson. I think he's live to go Round 2
and unlikely to fall past like early round four.
He seems like fairly locked in. He's probably a third round
pick. Yep, Yeah, let's let's wrap up
the draft and then maybe we can get some like round table real
quick thoughts on this kind of deep running back tier.
Blair pick 23 here. I'll go Jalen Noel here, OK.
So we'll get a a wide receiver in here for Blair and Pat, who
you got rounding this out. Man, it's just a deep group of
running backs. I'll I'll go.
Devin Neil is the home run swing.
Just hope someone give this guy an opportunity.
I really like Devin Neil. I just I worry, I worry I just
took like a fifth round pick who when you look at Neil, like he
he's not like exceptional on a per touch basis.
He's not like like if you look at like RJ Harvey, who was
another the other guy strongly considered he's going to be
awesome anytime he gets the ball, but he's a smaller back.
Does he ever get like a huge opportunity?
Neil looks really good at like if you look at like per game
stuff. But does he have the draft
capital where he never really has a team believe in him?
But I'll take a kind of a swing that he goes, let's say late
round 3, early round four and installed as a starter in that
kind of Damien Pierce style situation.
Ray, any thoughts on kind of this, this deep tier of running
backs, any of that kind of stand above the rest for you?
I mean, I could get into personal preference, you know,
Damien Martinez, Prashard Smith, I think the bigger overall take
away is there a lot of guys in this cluster from scataboo down,
I think there's a clear at least top five, top 6 for everybody in
some shape, form or order. But once you get to this range,
know your league, know your league, know that there there
are people out here who stand for frickin Burchard Smith and
Damian Martinez and a bunch of other names that we didn't even
mention. Even on Ollie Gordon.
The second like a year ago, this was the RB 1.
So depending on some of the landing spots, I just y'all,
we're going to get to day three of the draft and you're going to
see these teams that just like we did with Dallas last year,
everybody thought Dallas was 1000% taken aback.
They didn't even touch it. You're going to get a Pittsburgh
an Lac that takes somebody like a Damian Martinez the top of day
three and round four and you're telling me that that guy's not
going to have as good of an opportunity as maybe a a Judkins
that's jammed in some committee. I just once we get to draft
night, the depth of this class in the lack of those guys
currently in the NFL is going to create a perfect storm of just
running back situations. Plant your flag on your guy.
Because I who the hell am I to say that Devin Neil isn't any
better than than Giddens or versus Smith when they're all
drafted probably within thirty 4050 picks of one another come
draft night. It's it's going to be really,
really fun. This is a good spot to have
rookie picks like this range and going and like for the next few
picks like before this. It's felt flat in a bad way of
like, you know, I'd rather just have like a few picks later
this. I think you could like live in
kind of that early third round range and you know, they've had
like 4 picks in there. I would love that.
Yeah, Looking at this like the tear break after 8 and then this
tear break after like the quarterbacks of just man if.
But again as we've been saying, like a couple of these guys that
were taken here are going to be like back into round one picks
or early round two. Like the guy Pat was saying,
like someone of these guys if not 2 will nail a landing spot
that people will get very excited.
I think Scataboo's live to go significantly earlier than this
in rookie drafts if he goes second round, because there you
see him like if you look around, you know, projected draft
capital and stuff, he will be, you know, in the 60s for some
people. So if he were to go like late
second round as a starter somewhere, I know he's not fast.
He's really not fast, but he's a pass catcher, He's a pass
catching running back and he's big.
So it's like if he has the short yardage work kind of assigned to
him out of the gate and he's on a team that's going to throw to
him and he's got second round draft capital, so he's going to
be like the 1A at worst probably.
I mean, why aren't we taking him over Colston Loveland?
I mean, give me a break. Colston, Loveland.
Fucking Davis Matic ass pick. Oh no, you took it.
You took it, Ron. Any other thoughts, preferences
on on these running backs? I would just say Ray makes a
good point of like not falling in love with the late running
backs. I remember last year I liked
Isaiah Davis a lot and then the judge grabbed Braylon Allen and
then also Isaiah Davis. There's a chance that one of
these running backs you like, they both get drafted as second
and third string guys. And, you know, I think back to
Izzy having a Conda and you know, they're just, they're,
these guys are all just names, man, Like that.
Half of them you know. 80% of them will be trivia answers in
in two years. But to me, that means spread it
out. Like spread out your bets don't.
Yeah, because there's going to be some hits in this group, I
think. Yeah, Blair, get us, get us
hyped on Jalen Knoll real quick. You're essentially saying here,
don't throw a dart on one of these running backs.
You have to stick to your roots with the wide receiver here.
Oh yeah, definitely you got to go wide receiver.
Noel had a really surprisingly good combine.
I don't know. Is he better than Jayden
Higgins? Hard to say, but I like both
those guys. I mean, I actually do think that
there is a running back in this range that kind of separates
himself and that's Tootin, who probably should be going, I
don't know, like 6 picks earlier than where he went.
He's obviously the fastest guy at the combine.
He's also the class leader in backfield dominator rating.
He's he's. One of your favorites.
I do just want to point out you did have a pick 4 picks.
Earlier. And you took another running
back that wasn't too. Well, yeah, that'll be a little
unpredictable. I mean, to be fair, by the time
Cam Scataboo finished his 40, if he did a foot race versus
Tootin, Tootin would be able to go get him a towel and a water
to help cool him down. By the time Cam was done with
his 40, you could meet him at the finish line.
Yeah. All right for for our audio
listeners here. Can I ask one more thing?
Yeah, do it. Trey Harris didn't come up.
And, you know, at one point early on, I think he would have
been taking over Golden for sure.
You know, Golden kind of had the the his rise has been related to
the kind of the scouting community's enthusiasm for him.
Harris seems to be falling like in concert with that, Higgins is
kind of taking over the big wide receiver second round draft
capital molds from from Harris. You guys like where you at on
Harris now? Scared to run the 40 if you're
scared to run the 40 as a big wide receiver and you are so
like, I understand why Tet would not want to run a 40.
I understand why Marvin Harrison junior didn't want to run the
40. But if you're Trey Harris and
you're like definitely not going to be a first round pick and
you're kind of in that, he's in the Leggett zone where he could
be like the 34th pick or whatever, but you don't run the
40 to try and give yourself a chance to really solidify that.
I don't love that. And he looks slow.
You watch him. He's look, Trey did.
Trey did run to 40 Davis, Trey ran it at the you wanted him to
read. Why would he read?
He ran a he was going to run slower at the pro day.
He hit a four or five at the combine right.
He hit me up. I missed this.
No, you're good. You're good.
He ran. He ran 1/4.
Metal Locker. And I'm not even high.
I'm not. Even have the excuse.
I'm not even listen. Davis No one I'm taking.
I'm making the case for damn. Josh Allen 01 Nobody is gone.
Come on man. In my sheet I don't have a time
for him. So that means ChatGPT messed
something up, yeah? For the first time up comes back
and throw it AI under the bus. Oh man, Ray, let people know if
they want to to get more superflex content.
You said you're going to have your entire 300 ranks.
Pete, real quick, I just want to say this.
I love, love, love the Mill Rd. darts selections.
I, I, I, I just Q BS and dynasty.
I just look at where we are, folks, where Sam Darnold has
value in dynasty today. Geno Smith has value.
I'm not saying you're getting first for him, but I mean, shit,
just hang on at quarterback. I just love the the the risk,
the it's it's a lot of return right there for for low risk.
I love that Ron, it's still king.
Anybody that wants those Josh Allen superflex ranks, 'cause I
got I know, I know you tapped in to hear that.
Just get at me. Ray Garvin NFL draft on YouTube,
or you can follow me on X at Ray GQ.
Appreciate y'all having me on. It's been a blast chilling with
y'all man. Yes, definitely check it out.
Awesome stuff from Ray. Ron, you got glazed by Ray there
for your selections. You even had little themes to
your picture, like I'll do the two Ohio State running backs,
I'll do the two unheralded quarterbacks.
I mean, you really did it all here today, Ron.
Yeah, I said, I said it just like that too.
I did, you know, when I was when I was taking both of them.
But yeah, you know, quarterbacks rule everything in Dynasty.
We were talking through before the show who had the best draft
last year. No one wanted to say my name,
but you know, Bonex in the second round, Pennix in the
second round. I'm eating good over here.
But as we close out, I do appreciate you having me on.
It's it's sweet to be on here, you know, three times in a row.
We'll see if it's a fourth next year.
It's always a blast to come in, you know, hang out in the P
overs at Universe, ship chasing Universe over here.
But you can find me at Ron Stewart on YouTube.
That's where all my content's at, whether it's Dynasty,
redraft, all of that. You're really only useful to us,
Ron, for as long as The Jets are really bad.
That's. Kind of, yeah, which?
One is the show which we. Don't get around.
You ever, Blair, let the people know what you guys got going on
at Rotoviz. You guys got your draft guide?
All kinds of rookie content coming, I assume.
Yeah, that's right. Draft guide is out.
Volume 2 is out. We got a lot of Rikki content
coming. I mentioned the Backfield
Dominator ratings. That article dropped today.
I'll have more nice more on that coming up over the next few
weeks. And yeah, stay tuned, We got a
lot of cool stuff. Davis, what Dino stuff you got
coming for the people if they want more?
I've got a video with Ray's Boy coming out on Saturday morning
on my YouTube channel where we go over the three biggest
questions that you have to answer about this dynasty rookie
class as you prepare to spend the ammo.
Is the first one whether Trey Harris ran a 40 or not?
God I hope I didn't say in this video that he didn't.
I got a. Have to go.
Dave is reading that sub stack that that had that arm.
I am I, I do, I do. Shout out Bob.
I'll link you Davis. On wall sub stack, of course,
the great, the great Bob McGinn. Yeah, so, so be on the lookout
for that and I'll, I'm going to stream tomorrow morning too.
What about you, Pat? Leg up.
Yeah, Leg Up would recommend an article by Bob McGinn and also
an article by Matt Irby that just dropped on Leg Up today
looking at a potential touchdown, positive and negative
regression candidates at quarterback.
He's going to dive into some other regression analysis as
well. And what was I say?
Oh, I'm going to be on with JJ Zacharisa next week talking the
dynasty class on the leg up pod. I'm going to be podcasting
tomorrow with Rhoda Pat on. We're going to do a live stream
live draft tomorrow afternoon. Got got, you know, my my rookie
profiles rolling out on the site as well.
I did want to ask before we get out of here, I want to put this
quarterback love to the test. Quarterback rules the dynasty
landscape. Where you guys taking Tyler
Shuck then, huh? Tyler Shucks gonna go second
round. In the end of Enough, you're
making us part of the Tyler Shuck propaganda arm.
By I just heard quarterback was the only position we care.
About Let's ask Rod. Rod probably would have taken
him there with an extra second round pick.
I'm like, I have missed a rookie third.
It depends. Depends on how you get drafted.
If he gets drafted, capital, I'm there.
OK, alright, there you go. If you guys missed ADP chasing
earlier this week, definitely check it out.
Great conversation. I love having Jacob in the fold
on that show as well. For me, I'll plug tomorrow on
After Dark on my channel. I'm going to have Matthew
Friedman from Fantasy Life. He's been pretty deep in the
weeds with the mock draft and all the college stuff.
So we'll have a fun conversation over there and we'll keep the
the rookie focus going here on ship chasing.
Probably book a guest for next week and continue to dive into
what's shaping up to be a very fun class and a fun draft.
Thank you guys all for hanging out in the chat.
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