1 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:06,400 Today on ship chasing an annual tradition, a pre NFL draft 2 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:10,920 dynasty rookie mock draft. God that sounds so late when you 3 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:12,240 really start to say it. Out. 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:16,840 Loud, super flex, tight in premium, but to make it cool, we 5 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:19,920 have some heavy hitters joining Pat Davis and myself today. 6 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:23,200 We got Ray G from Destination Debbie, we got Ron Stewart, we 7 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,440 got Blair Andrews from Rhodobe is going to be a super fun show 8 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:30,880 as we go a couple rounds deep navigating this rookie before 9 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:31,880 the NFL draft. Let's do it. 10 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:41,680 Pat Fryer, Helmo Anita Handjob. Fix your sight. 11 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:48,880 Jamar Alpha play Chase, you can't handle the heat. 12 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:50,920 It looks like we're finally at this point, you're right. 13 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:03,440 All right, we got the usual crew, Pat Davis and we are 14 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:07,920 joined by some true dynasty thought leaders today. 15 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,280 Had to bring them in. Let's start right here with Ray. 16 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:11,720 Is this your first time on chip chasing? 17 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:12,920 I've done shows with you. Is this your? 18 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,200 This seems like a mistake if it's your first time on chip 19 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:16,720 chasing. You know what I'm saying? 20 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,080 Y'all had to add a little color to the show so I'm in. 21 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:22,680 Here, but this is the first. Time I'm up in on Davis and I, 22 00:01:22,960 --> 00:01:24,880 we're going to link up here real soon. 23 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:26,680 So now I appreciate you having me on, man. 24 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:28,560 It's going to be dope. Awesome. 25 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:32,280 Yeah, you are more than anyone I know deep into the weeds on this 26 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,920 stuff year round. So excited to see your takes. 27 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:39,520 We got Blair here in the middle, a fixture of this pre NFL draft 28 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:41,320 stream. Blair, you always come with some 29 00:01:41,320 --> 00:01:43,440 hot takes. You know you always, it was 30 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:47,600 Jameer Gibbs a couple years ago. You got some some corkers ready 31 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,720 for us today. You're setting the bar a little 32 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:54,000 too high for me probably, but I'll do what I can. 33 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,160 Yeah, he's going to. It's going to. 34 00:01:58,640 --> 00:01:59,840 Be hot as hell all. Right. 35 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:04,920 No spoilers though. And of course, we got the boy 36 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:09,600 wunderkind down here the our Jets fan extraordinaire. 37 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,560 We I actually, Ron, we got it before we get into the dynasty 38 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:14,320 stuff, can we get your Justin Fields take? 39 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:15,880 Are you, are you fired up about this? 40 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:21,120 Yeah, man, I'm really excited. The The Jets have brought me 41 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:24,040 nothing but joy. I'm just happy it'll be 42 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:26,640 entertaining football. I would like in a in a perfect 43 00:02:26,640 --> 00:02:29,480 world, we get Jaylen Millro and we just run like a read option. 44 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,880 We can get it out. If The Jets don't take Jaylen 45 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:34,360 Millro, they should give up as a. 46 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:36,360 Franchise, we've given up so long ago. 47 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,560 I I've, I've given up since Mark Sanchez, like stopped. 48 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:43,640 So that's where we're at. Do you have any thoughts on the 49 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:47,440 the Aaron Rodgers, you know, the the bidding war? 50 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:49,920 It's kind of, I don't even know if it's a bidding war anymore. 51 00:02:49,920 --> 00:02:53,080 But the bidding war, the. There was once a bidding war. 52 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,880 There was a bidding war that sort of ended, but like. 53 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:59,000 I hope Aaron Rodgers, like, I just hope he sucks, man. 54 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:02,520 I I I there's bad blood like I. Hope that. 55 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:03,680 Hard. I was going to say I got good 56 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:07,440 news for you, Ron. I got good news all right, 57 00:03:07,640 --> 00:03:11,560 because I want to maximize all of our time getting to talk 58 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:15,720 through these discussions here. I'm going to get our draft board 59 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:20,240 pulled up here. This is a sister site to 60 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:24,080 gretsch.com here, shipchasing.com, where we'll be 61 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,520 entering these pics and this is how I was thinking about doing 62 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:32,400 this. I put all of our, I can screen 63 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:36,200 share here, all of our names in random.org and I just put our 64 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,160 names in twice and was thinking I'll shuffle this up. 65 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:41,840 We each have two picks in round one. 66 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:45,280 We each have two picks in round 224 total picks, 4 picks total 67 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:46,800 for all six of us. That sound good? 68 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,120 All right, I'm going to give me a number. 69 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,120 Karine, how many times should I randomize this? 70 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:54,720 8. Eight. 71 00:03:54,720 --> 00:04:06,520 OK here we go. 1 2345678 Oh my God Ray wow. 72 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,560 Shipping. Wow, look at that. 73 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:16,839 Wow, so hot. So hard for me. 74 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,800 I'm not doing it either. I'm absolutely not. 75 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:22,840 You ain't. Gonna run it one more time. 76 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,680 No, this is there's integrity to this process. 77 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:30,320 Pat said it, and he deserves. I said 80. 78 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:34,360 I said 8080 times. Oh my goodness. 79 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:41,000 OK, So now that we have that set, you are in fact on the 80 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,640 clock Ray, is that has there been, I mean, I'm sure in 81 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,440 previous years there's been more of a layup at 1:01, but 82 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:50,440 considering the choices behind this, is this the easiest 101 of 83 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:52,480 all time? It feels like it. 84 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:54,440 It feels like I was prepping for the show. 85 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:56,680 I'm asking my community. I'm like, I'm on with these 86 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,200 dudes. It's Ron, it's Davis, it's Pat, 87 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:00,880 it's Blair's pick. What do I do? 88 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:02,360 They're like where you pick? I was like, I don't know. 89 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,040 I don't know, man. Maybe at the end. 90 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:06,560 Hey here at the top, man. Super flex. 91 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:09,440 I'm I'm rolling with the MVP man. 92 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:10,960 Like I don't even want to play around. 93 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:12,240 I don't want to beat around the Bush. 94 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:14,440 I think you can make some arguments for doing some 95 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,720 different things, especially given the QB landscape, but at 96 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:22,040 the top of the draft, man, any startup, I would love to shop 97 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:23,440 this. I would love to trade one of 98 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:26,280 these pics with somebody here on the board right now, but I'm 99 00:05:26,280 --> 00:05:28,680 going with the big dog out of Buffalo here at the one-on-one 100 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:32,440 spot, man. Wait, wait. 101 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:34,280 Who? Oh, Buffalo. 102 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:36,120 Wait. It's super slugs, right? 103 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,000 This is. It's a rookie, rookie. 104 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:44,600 This is a dude I'm reading the top dynasty superflugs, Mark. 105 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:49,200 Oh rookies, are we in the shit? Ashley Jetty Jetty. 106 00:05:51,840 --> 00:05:55,880 I did so bad I am as a host I didn't even correct. 107 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:57,680 Right. If we gave you the top 2 picks 108 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,280 in a startup draft, I think there have been a bit more. 109 00:06:00,280 --> 00:06:02,320 That's what I was like, are we going to rerun this? 110 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,680 Like what are we doing? This is easy. 111 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:07,920 It's still easy, is Ashton Genti. 112 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:10,560 It's still easy. Yeah, exactly. 113 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:14,920 This is easier I think. I think genti at one in this is 114 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:17,200 easier than the one in. Startups, I'm going to be, I'm 115 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:20,480 going to be how vulnerable can I be with the crew Real quick, I'm 116 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:23,000 going to be how vulnerable can I be and can I be real with y'all. 117 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,080 Be real. I'm as a fucking guy right now, 118 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:27,280 all right? I am. 119 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:29,720 I am. Shoot it you. 120 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:31,720 Want to you want to trade that pick then? 121 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,400 No, no, no, no, no, no, Pat, you got it, baby. 122 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,280 Ashton Gente, one O 1. It's easy. 123 00:06:38,280 --> 00:06:40,880 Super flex. I don't care the format outside 124 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,880 of anything super, super crazy where you're giving tight ends 125 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,200 like 5 pointed reception, which will never happen. 126 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,200 It's got to be Ashton Gente at the top and I don't want to play 127 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:50,760 around. I'm on the clock at one O 2 now. 128 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:54,920 I do think right here you can have some debate and 129 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,320 conversations about the running back value. 130 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,200 I'm not fooling with wide receiver and I know it's Tep, 131 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,680 but it's not enough for me to press the button right here. 132 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,600 So I'm rolling with the dog that I think is the RB2 in his class. 133 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,520 I don't want to make it tough for Davis at the 102 spot. 134 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:11,720 Yeah, give me two Ashton Genties, but it's Omarion 135 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:13,440 Hampton out of North Carolina. Big dog. 136 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,480 He's a he's a beast. He's a Speed Score freak. 137 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:19,120 He's an awesome running back. Give me them two guys at the top 138 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:20,640 of the draft. And he's and he's going to go 139 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:22,680 first rounds. Yeah, I think, I think this 140 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:24,080 probably is chalk after the draft. 141 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,160 Let's go. You sure you don't want to go to 142 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:29,720 Lamar here? It was actually going to be Jade 143 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:34,600 and Daniels smart ass but you know, it would have been JD 5 144 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:36,920 but we'll go with Omari and Hampton and we'll settle there 145 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:40,520 instead. Yeah, I mean Omari and Hampton 146 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:45,120 his his draft stock seemingly rising by the day. 147 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,760 Does does anyone here like by ADP? 148 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:49,840 Maybe you guys have different feelings on who you would take 149 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,840 one O 2 but like do you think by ADP it's going to settle here if 150 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:56,400 he's a first round pick? For sure people can't help it 151 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,920 first round running back. And The thing is like, he's a 152 00:07:59,920 --> 00:08:04,120 good bet to produce right away and he's a good bet for people 153 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:05,880 to be excited about him entering year 2. 154 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:10,480 So I think I would, I'm just like willing to just ride that 155 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:15,160 that wave and he could like, I don't think he's nearly as good 156 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:19,080 as Gente as a prospect, but he's a very good prospect. 157 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,800 And so we could end up feeling like this dude is awesome. 158 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:25,440 So you get the the likely year of production, likely value 159 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,240 increase after a productive year. 160 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:29,640 That's just a nice bet at running. 161 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:31,560 This is not that many running backs that give you that kind of 162 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,520 bet. And Ray, I actually set this up 163 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:36,520 specifically for you. I was like, I was like, I know 164 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:38,559 he's going to be super high. Let's just give him the two 165 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:41,720 easiest picks. He can go, you know, pack 166 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,159 another bowl, you know, have a little red, you know, come back 167 00:08:44,159 --> 00:08:47,640 for Round 2. I've, I've made it easy on you. 168 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,000 I mean, right. How close do you have? 169 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,480 Because I feel like there has been some conversation now 170 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:55,800 lately of like what one of the mock drafts had Hampton even 171 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,120 over GT. Like, do you think this gap is 172 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:01,120 is closing or is GT still just in a tier above for you? 173 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,040 I'm. I'm going to be real with y'all 174 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:07,280 man, when you're talking about them as prospects, I agree that 175 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,320 Genti is the superior prospect. I think one of the great 176 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:14,040 equalizers that none of us have the answer to right now, but we 177 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,120 will in a couple weeks, I want to see where they land the 178 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,760 capital really not as much they're going to be drafted 179 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:21,080 around. I mean, they're going to be 180 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:22,600 drafted in the range where they're going to get 181 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,000 opportunity. But as we see with some of these 182 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,440 franchises, offensive coordinator changes in the roles 183 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:29,720 in which these running backs are asked to be deployed. 184 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,880 I want to see where some of these cats land because I think 185 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:36,320 we'll get to a point y'all where there will be some dope spots 186 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,080 that some of these backs like a Caleb, like a handle, like a 187 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,640 Judkins, Sampson Scatti, they land. 188 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,920 You're like shit. I like that role for that 189 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:46,600 player. And you know, I think the 190 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,440 opportunity here might yield some more points, but right now 191 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:53,160 it's gently in a tear and then O Hampton might be in a little bit 192 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,080 of a tear of his own. But all of that could change 193 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,120 after night one of the draft. Night two of the draft, you 194 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,360 know. Is there a spot where it would 195 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,320 flip for you? Like if Genti went to the Saints 196 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:05,080 and Hampton went to the Bears back-to-back picks, would that 197 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,880 would that be enough to to flip him or is there any any kind of 198 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:10,320 situation where you would actually flip him? 199 00:10:10,560 --> 00:10:13,840 Pat in a one year, in a one year league, absolutely. 200 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,360 In a one year league where I just need points this year. 201 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:19,960 I'm not worried about long term. I think the community sentiment 202 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:21,960 around Genti is still like, you just take them. 203 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,280 Like you just yeah, you just take them. 204 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:27,160 So many people are going to love them and you got so much bacon 205 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:28,920 value. But if you're just talking about 206 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:32,120 which back might score more, I think there's some other spots 207 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,480 outside of Las Vegas outside of that that you might get a 208 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:37,880 running back that lands in Washington, which I think would 209 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:42,080 be an absolutely incredible spot to land that you look up Like, 210 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,480 damn, that dude was that dude was better than that one, you 211 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:46,760 know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. 212 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,600 Long term though, I agree. I, I, it'd have to be something 213 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,600 crazy for me not to take Genti. Because even in those scenarios, 214 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:54,920 Patton, like you talk about this a lot about how these guys can 215 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,760 still hold their value as assets even with a subpar year. 216 00:10:57,760 --> 00:10:59,880 It's like the worst case scenario is he? 217 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:03,040 Tears AC and and not lose. Anybody that would be the worst 218 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:05,400 case scenario, an injury. But I'm like, even if he's in a 219 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:07,480 timeshare, people are going to be like he has fresh legs and 220 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:09,560 now the guy's gone. Like now it's really blast 221 00:11:09,560 --> 00:11:11,560 offseason. Like his value could increase 222 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,320 like in a year. We're also not. 223 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:18,360 We're also not necessarily that good at evaluating spots this 224 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:20,480 far. I mean, even just one year out, 225 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:24,040 like you remember, I don't know, McCaffrey going to Carolina and 226 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:25,200 we were like, oh, that's terrible. 227 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:26,520 That was seen as a negative for sure. 228 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:28,040 And then they. And then partly because Cam 229 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:29,240 Newton wasn't going to throw to him. 230 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:30,800 And then they Clyde to Kansas City. 231 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:32,800 Best possible spot. Clyde to Kansas City. 232 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,840 Oh my God, how many points? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 233 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,560 Yeah, if you guys want to hear where Davis would take Omarion 234 00:11:39,560 --> 00:11:42,200 Hampton if he gets drafted to the Chiefs, you can listen to 235 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:46,520 ADP Chasing. This week, Davis has still never 236 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:48,080 said a running back he would take over him. 237 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:52,440 No, he changed the subject. If this was the Superflex mock 238 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,640 draft, the real one, it would have been Josh Allen one and 239 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:56,960 then Davis would have taken Omari and Hampton to the Chiefs 240 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:01,800 with the. 2nd overall Martin Hampton parentheses KC All 241 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,720 right, it's. You you are on the clock now 242 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,000 with the one O 3. The layups are are off the 243 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:08,880 board. Yeah, I so I wanted to go 244 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,480 absolutely nuclear. And just like when we look back 245 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:13,960 on this sheet for a year, be like, wow, Davis really had the 246 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:15,920 hottest take and he was so directionally accurate. 247 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:20,760 What an absolute genius. Sadly, I I it's just of no use 248 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:25,680 to to do such a thing. The the the fun pick obviously 249 00:12:25,680 --> 00:12:28,880 would be to do Matthew Golden here say he's going to the 250 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:32,200 Cowboys at 12, taking him at one O 3. 251 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:36,400 Just you look at actually I was talking to Ray's boy this 252 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,320 morning, Scott Connor at Charles Shill FFB. 253 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:43,640 We did a little video and he reminded me that before Ruggs 254 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,880 killed someone, he actually was on his way to having a good 255 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,600 season. He was, he was, he was actually 256 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,480 on his way to producing, which is like when you run anything 257 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:54,920 for Golden, you're going to find Ruggs as a top comp. 258 00:12:55,560 --> 00:12:57,800 All that is to say, I'm going to do the boring thing and take the 259 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,080 quarterback who's going first overall Cam Ward. 260 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:04,400 He's going to run a little bit more than the virgins want to 261 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:07,040 tell you because they have not actually watched Cam Ward play. 262 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:12,040 He he can run particularly I would say actually I would comp 263 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:14,600 him to Trevor Lawrence as a rusher where if you wanted to 264 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,360 get him, if his coaches were comfortable letting him get 6 265 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,280 rushing touchdowns a year, he could pretty easily do it. 266 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,000 He could run some read option stuff near the goal line. 267 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:27,680 I also think he's crazy accurate, which is the hardest 268 00:13:27,680 --> 00:13:29,880 thing to teach a quarterback. I think you can teach 269 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,240 quarterbacks lots of things at the NFL level, but you can't 270 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:35,320 teach them to be accurate. If you have the one O 3 in your 271 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:37,600 superflex time in premium league, you're probably bummed 272 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:39,680 about it. You're you're probably like, all 273 00:13:39,680 --> 00:13:43,840 right, I guess I'm taking Cam Ward, but it's also probably 274 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:45,920 like a he's probably going to start for four years and be 275 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,760 pretty good. Ron, what do you think? 276 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:52,840 Like Cam Ward's ceiling is as a fantasy player? 277 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:56,600 Like in two years, what's his QB rank heading into the season? 278 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,480 I'm going to be honest, I like Cam Ward. 279 00:13:59,680 --> 00:14:02,120 Like I know people like aren't stoked to take him. 280 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:07,920 He's good, but he could be like Justin Herbert, he could be CJ 281 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:09,840 Stroud. I'm not talking from like a tool 282 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,120 standpoint, but we see pocket passers do fine. 283 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:15,160 Burrow this past year and at quarterback, I've kind of just 284 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:19,360 learned I I've been humbled is really how how, how how we get 285 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:21,840 here is everyone has a take. Everyone has a quarterback they 286 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:25,280 love and they come out here and they either suck or a guy comes 287 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:26,800 out of nowhere. Jaden Daniels was no one. 288 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:27,880 No one. 'S was it? 289 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:30,440 Was it Herbert or Daniel Jones who humbled you? 290 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:33,560 It was Justin Fields, my Jets quarterback. 291 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:35,760 That's who I love. Justin Fields. 292 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:39,160 He ended up, you know, I I still wanted him to The Jets. 293 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:40,160 I thought he was going to be great. 294 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,360 He did nothing. I guess he scored fantasy 295 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:44,600 points, which is cool, but you also have with these 296 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:46,800 quarterbacks and I I I hate to harp on this. 297 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:50,240 I feel like I do it every year, but Caleb Williams was like fine 298 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,240 last year and he's in the middle of the second round of 299 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:56,680 start-ups. Drake May was good from like AII 300 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,200 know, I know Crane's here. I love Drake may look, I love 301 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,000 Drake may I I want to make that clear. 302 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:05,680 But if you want his points per game was myth, right? 303 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,360 So like he's a second round startup pick. 304 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,640 So Cam Ward a first overall pick, like a top five rookie 305 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,040 draft guy. He just has to have a pulse this 306 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:17,560 year and he's somebody that's going to be like a top three 307 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:19,520 round startup pick. So it's a really safe pick and 308 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:22,320 there's also the ceiling of like the top 6 picks in every startup 309 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:25,480 draft, our quarterback. So Cam word to me is like a 310 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,200 fine, like people see it as like a consolation prize, but a first 311 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,120 overall quarterback selection is pretty damn good. 312 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,600 Yep, he's fine. What? 313 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:36,560 Are the chances he's like Bryce Young though? 314 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:39,200 I mean. Bryce Young held. 315 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,760 Bryce Young, he's start, he's gonna start in Year 3. 316 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:43,080 You know, it's it's going to work out. 317 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,040 You you're probably fine with that's. 318 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,280 A fairpoint and you can sell yourself on the tools of Cam 319 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:48,680 work. You got to, you got to be 320 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:50,680 shopping Bryce Young, though, that dude. 321 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:53,480 It could, sure, but you thought it was dead. 322 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:58,080 But the getting getting picked 101 is like so much insulation. 323 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:00,680 It's like one of those baby sleep Merlins, you know, in 324 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:02,640 terms of playing time. Like it's just so. 325 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:04,680 Hard. That reference really hit for me 326 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:07,040 right now. I knew it would. 327 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:10,000 That was for you. That was for you, Ray is is is 328 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:13,000 Ward year three. If we just made you make every 329 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:14,440 one of these picks with with you. 330 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:17,280 Were you mad that you didn't get 3/2? 331 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:19,560 That would actually, I would have been pissed. 332 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:21,560 I needed that. That would have been Jalen 333 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:22,720 Hurts. Yeah, I think. 334 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,120 I think Ron, Ron hit the nail on the head. 335 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:28,240 I've been humbled by quarterback as well. 336 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:31,080 It is. It's a weird game to play. 337 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,560 If you're going to take one, I'll say this, I think people 338 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:38,360 like Cam Ward a hell of a lot more than they like Chador or 339 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:42,080 Jackson Dart for that matter. So you will have an out like 340 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:46,600 you, you, you have some kind of guaranteed built in insulation. 341 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,960 It it this just feels like a game where I I I would probably 342 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:54,200 go a different direction. I think this is a year where you 343 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:57,160 look at the NFL people. No one wants Gino Derek Carr. 344 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,320 If you're willing to just grind the edges. 345 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:03,720 I can figure quarterback out. So right here, I think there's a 346 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,599 case to be made that I I could go in a different direction, but 347 00:17:06,599 --> 00:17:08,359 I'm I've got no issue with Cam ward at all. 348 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:10,160 Like no issue with Cam ward at all. 349 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:12,680 What would that direction be for you? 350 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:16,200 I would probably bank on another running back here. 351 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,640 I think this is a great year to take that chance. 352 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:22,720 I listen right before this show y'all, I, I, I, I urge you, if 353 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:27,880 you are just bored as hell, type in way too early 2025 mock 354 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,840 draft, Look at Bleacher Report, Sports Illustrated. 355 00:17:31,120 --> 00:17:35,920 There's a chance right now that everybody's QB, 1RB1, wide 356 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,600 receiver one, tight end one, and EDGE one. 357 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,680 Most of them dudes weren't even mocked inside the first round of 358 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,880 a mock draft in August of 20, 2024. 359 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:50,320 No Tyler Warren, no gente damn sure, no Matthew Golden and here 360 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:54,040 we are today. So I I don't know, man, it's a 361 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:57,760 it's a weird game of how people feel about these guys today 362 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,320 versus next month versus June and July. 363 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:02,960 You did. Would anyone take Ted McMillan 364 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,200 here? Because that's that's what I 365 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,880 would have been tempted to do. I was really torn. 366 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:11,480 I'm excited to run to the podium here at 4:00 with TET but I was 367 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,960 legit torn on Am I getting too fancy passing on Cam. 368 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:19,480 It's too fancy. I think Ted is really good. 369 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:24,000 I don't think he is a CD lamb. Justin Jefferson, I, I think 370 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,160 he's could be the next year like. 371 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:28,600 I do. Next, next year, could we be 372 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,880 taking TET, where we're taking Drake London right now? 373 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:36,160 Is the wide receiver 9? Sure, Yeah, that feels fair. 374 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:39,760 But I, I think it is a bit fancy to take him and I think it's 375 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,160 definitely fancy to take him over the 1st overall 376 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,840 quarterback. Yeah, I don't and I it also a 377 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:50,040 lot of this probably would come down to a team need right in a 378 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,360 dynasty league, Like if you need a quarterback, you're fucking 379 00:18:52,360 --> 00:18:55,160 taking Cam Ward if you're looking pretty there. 380 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:58,280 I mean, we know how valuable having a deep wide receiver 381 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:00,800 bench is. We know if you hit on a Ted, Ted 382 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:04,000 McMillan, he's giving you like 10 plus years, you know, of like 383 00:19:04,120 --> 00:19:08,320 solid production from a really valuable spot. 384 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,560 So I don't know. For me, that's the only way I 385 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:13,560 think I would go Ward would be if I. 386 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:20,680 I think I think Ted has probably has higher upside as a, as a 387 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,520 pick. Like you're, you're looking at a 388 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:26,960 guy who could like jump into that Drake London type of range. 389 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:32,560 And Cam, I think Will is like safer in some ways. 390 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,960 But also, like, I think Cam Ward could bust, you know, it's not, 391 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:39,760 he's not a very safe for a quarterback going #1 he's an 392 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:44,080 extremely risky version of that. And I feel like he sort of 393 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:49,080 settles into like the Justin Herbert's, you know, CJ Stroud 394 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:52,640 type of tear if you're lucky. And those guys aren't being 395 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,840 drafted super, super high. I would just, I would just 396 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,400 counter that at one time they were. 397 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,320 Herbert was like a a top six startup pick. 398 00:20:01,360 --> 00:20:03,080 Stroud was a top six startup pick. 399 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,800 There's times to get on and off the carousel at quarterback. 400 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:11,120 I I would push back on the idea of like, like the quarterback. 401 00:20:11,120 --> 00:20:13,680 I think it is getting too fancy. Like the quarterback and dynasty 402 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,080 like it, it truly it runs the world. 403 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:20,800 Like you will see the the most heinous trade packages for Jaden 404 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,200 Daniels this past offseason. Or if you want to go back to 405 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:26,560 last offseason, CJ Stroud was going for first born children. 406 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:30,600 So it's like you like Ted Mcmillan's great, but unless if 407 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:34,560 he's Jefferson or Chase, like he's not, he's not netting that. 408 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,920 And we kind of already knew Chase was that coming in, right? 409 00:20:38,120 --> 00:20:41,040 Just kind of, you know, the best wide receiver of his generation. 410 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,360 And I do think that is probably where this kind of comes down on 411 00:20:45,360 --> 00:20:48,680 Ted because really early on it was like, all right, he's locked 412 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,280 for top ten. Maybe you see some like top 413 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,520 seven stuff or whatever. And now it seems like it's maybe 414 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:59,360 more round 15 or pick 15 to 20 ish range, which just kind of 415 00:20:59,360 --> 00:21:04,240 change it because you go from that like Julio type guy to OK, 416 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,800 now we're talking like we're looking for the JSN trajectory. 417 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,680 That's kind of been my comp where he kind of slips a little 418 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:10,440 bit. Still a really good prospect, 419 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,760 goes to an OK situation. Like Jason's value right now is 420 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:17,720 really solid. But yeah, it comes down to is he 421 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:21,040 like a top ten guy for you? Is he more like just a round one 422 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,240 wide receiver? Yeah. 423 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,840 And I also think it's like the the Cam value. 424 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,320 I'm also curious about like where are you guys taking Cam 425 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,920 relative to some of those wide receivers who aren't like a JSN, 426 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,160 like someone who's not like an elite guy? 427 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,600 Do you you? You'd rather have you'd rather 428 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:42,880 have Cam more than that guy. I have him just ahead of JSN 429 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,040 right now like I I did a rankings update so I have him 430 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,560 like ahead of JSN, ahead of TI. Have him like back-to-back with 431 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,000 like Marvlad. AJ Brown's like a third round 432 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:55,800 startup pick right in that area. So yeah, I guess like if you're 433 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:59,040 saying he can be London, but like it is, I have them all like 434 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,800 bunched together. But if the ceiling's like London 435 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,720 or quarterback in the first round of the start up, that's 436 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,560 just where I'm at. Like Cam Ward's not the strong. 437 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:11,280 Like I can't I can't stand on a a soapbox and tell you why Cam 438 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:12,760 Ward's the greatest quarterback prospect. 439 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,040 But that's kind of just like quarterbacks are just a mystery 440 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,200 and at a certain I'd rather just bet on the 1st overall. 441 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,000 Yeah, I, I would be like, I would much rather have some of 442 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,000 those veterans that like, I'd much rather have a Justin 443 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,640 Herbert than a Cam Ward. Like much much, much rather. 444 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:33,720 Yeah, I agree. So I I guess I'm struggling to 445 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:37,680 put Cam Ward like above those types of veteran wide receiver 446 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,240 like a JSN. That's probably the biggest 447 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:44,480 value difference I would say. Blair, you rose your hand. 448 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,480 You said you would have taken Tet at three. 449 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:48,520 Would you have taken him at 2:00? 450 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:53,200 Yeah, probably. I do like Hampton a lot. 451 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:58,240 I mean, this is a weird case where usually I'm the one that's 452 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,720 like, no matter who that running back is, I'm looking at the wide 453 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,400 receivers and saying how can I make a case for Tech going #1 454 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:09,720 but not this year. But I would probably have him in 455 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,480 that same tier as Hampton. So ahead of Cam Ward, ahead of 456 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,240 any quarterback. Yeah. 457 00:23:14,360 --> 00:23:18,960 Can I just ask a theoretical question here about we, we, I 458 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,360 think Ron nailed it. Like whatever you think about 459 00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:24,000 quarterback, like it is like gold, like the currency and 460 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:28,120 dynasty, even the ones you hate, whether it's bone, like it, it's 461 00:23:28,120 --> 00:23:30,040 worth something and there's insulation. 462 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,880 Are we approaching an era in fantasy, in dynasty where 463 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,200 there's so much wide receiver saturation? 464 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,800 If you're telling me what I'm getting out of tennis, Drake 465 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:42,880 London. And let's not forget that the 466 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,600 first two years of Drake London, people were kind of like people. 467 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,680 Were mad. You were you were not happy. 468 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,560 It seems like everyone's chasing the tight end and I'm not saying 469 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,200 it's Loveland or Warren that's going to be the next Brock 470 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:59,000 Bowers, Trey McBride, but are we getting to this spot where 471 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,600 you've got a better probability or chance of hitting the tight 472 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:08,880 like a high end outcome range tight end versus if McMillan is 473 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,280 Drake London his first two years? 474 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,160 Nobody's happy. Like nobody is happy about that. 475 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,280 I meant you start looking at what Devante Smith and T have 476 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,200 done. I get on a per game. 477 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,800 But just overall, I just wonder if in a tight end premium, 478 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,520 people are going to start to overreach and try to get Tyler 479 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,160 Warren if he's a damn top ten pick. 480 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,240 Man, people are talking about this tight end going 7th overall 481 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,680 in in the NFL draft. So just a a question I'm 482 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,240 throwing out there at a very scarce position like tight end. 483 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,160 They're both gonna get overdrafted. 484 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,480 I think in these rookie drafts, Warren and Loveland. 485 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,840 And I think to your point, Ray, what we're gonna see is the 486 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,920 premium tier of wide receiver. Your Jefferson, your Chase, your 487 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,840 Lam, Those guys are gonna actually get more expensive 488 00:24:52,120 --> 00:24:55,680 because there's going to be a group of 30 guys who score 489 00:24:55,680 --> 00:25:01,760 between 11 1/2 and 13.2 half point PPR points per game. 490 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:06,040 Or just like a huge swath of guys who are replaceable. 491 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,680 And I mean, anyone who's played Dynasty for a serious amount of 492 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,320 time knows that that the 12 1/2 point scoring wide receiver is 493 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,440 the most replaceable guy on your roster, basically. 494 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,280 Yeah, I think we're starting to undersell Mcmillan's ceiling 495 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,560 though a little bit in those scenarios. 496 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:28,200 I mean, this was a guide people were extremely excited about as 497 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,760 AI mean what? Why are, why are we less or why 498 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,240 are we down on McMillan? Why is it even a thing that 499 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,440 Matthew Golden could be going? Ahead of because because the NFL 500 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:40,360 is telling us that like the the the smoke signals are is the NFL 501 00:25:40,360 --> 00:25:42,480 telling us that about that? But the NFL is telling us that 502 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,560 for reasons that I just don't really care about, like they're 503 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:50,480 they're like this guy's like such a great like outside speed 504 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,200 guy who's going to help open up other routes for, you know, 505 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,760 like, like he'd be great on Dallas because he'd be such a 506 00:25:55,760 --> 00:26:01,600 great compliment to CD Lamb. I'm like, I don't, I don't care. 507 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,120 You're telling me that like, you're just not that interested. 508 00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:09,800 Like, well, Tat's an X and he's going to base, he's going to 509 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,160 dominate targets. And if you need like a big 510 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,880 possession receiver who can add after the catch, then he's a 511 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,000 really good fit for that. But, you know, as an NFL team, 512 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,240 I'm just like, not as excited about that, OK? 513 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,200 But like, that's great for us. That's really, really good for. 514 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:28,600 Us 100% Pat, just because the team, Just because a player has 515 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:33,640 WRRBTE behind their name does not mean every team views them 516 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,720 and how they will open up their they're not playing fantasy. 517 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,840 They're looking at Matthew. You're a great compliment to CD. 518 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,600 You can run down the field to open shit up for number 88, but 519 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,040 his role and Ted's role, they're probably not even the same. 520 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,240 Ted, you're going to be a target earner right? 521 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:49,440 You run over the middle of the field. 522 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,120 So totally agree Pat that teams deployment of these guys are 523 00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:55,600 completely different irrespective of the ranking. 524 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,360 And it the Ted kind of stuff, I mean, you kind of have two outs, 525 00:27:00,360 --> 00:27:03,120 right, where say goes top ten, say goes to the Panthers. 526 00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:06,760 Like that's a pretty significant investment in draft capital. 527 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,120 You're feeling good about that. You like the offense or even if 528 00:27:10,120 --> 00:27:12,960 he does slide, if he slides to the what, the early 20s, which 529 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,360 is probably the worst case scenario, you're going to a team 530 00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:17,520 with a good quarterback like the Packers would be interested in 531 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:18,880 him. We've talked about the Broncos 532 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,440 when we did our mock draft, like those are pretty good spots too, 533 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:24,960 tied to young quarterbacks as well. 534 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:29,680 So it does seem like his early outlook is going to be pretty 535 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,360 good almost no matter what. I mean knock on wood, like I 536 00:27:32,360 --> 00:27:36,160 guess some bad things could happen, but he seems pretty 537 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:37,120 insulated in that. Region. 538 00:27:37,120 --> 00:27:38,440 There's also like a really wide range. 539 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:43,120 I was listening to the NFL Stock Exchange podcast and they were 540 00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:46,560 like strongly considering as a what they would do, not what 541 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,480 they think would happen, but it's what they would do. 542 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,560 Taking Ted at 4:00 to the Patriots, you know, and I think 543 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:56,360 like he's still in play to go to the Panthers and, you know, be 544 00:27:56,360 --> 00:28:00,320 like the clear number one for a quarterback who really enjoyed 545 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,880 throwing to Adam Thielen. So I feel like, you know, a 546 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,200 possession receiver doesn't get a lot of separation anymore is 547 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,800 probably fine for him. So there are some really high 548 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,920 upside, like draft high upside, landing spots that come with 549 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,640 draft capital still. He's more likely at this point 550 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,320 that he's drafted in the 20s than in like the top 8. 551 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,880 But I wouldn't completely rule that out. 552 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,760 Make it clear I I like McMillan but I just would prefer award 553 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,000 over him. Like I I like 3 year producer 10 554 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,240 McMillan super clean. I just think positionally 555 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,000 quarterback just kind of rules it all in dynasty. 556 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:39,080 For people tuning in, this is a super flex tight end premium 557 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,240 rookie draft. So hence the quarterback at 3. 558 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,960 Blair, you're on the clock at 5. I'm I'm excited to see where you 559 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,440 go here. Well, I legitimately think there 560 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,240 are probably like four or five guys that you could take here 561 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,320 and be fine with, and I'm going to go with one who's maybe a 562 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,840 little controversial sentiments down on him, but I'm still a 563 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:01,840 fan. Luther Burden. 564 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,320 OK, yeah, talk to us about Luther Burden here. 565 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:12,240 Yeah, Luther Burden in a way gives off kind of strong Jalen 566 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,160 Rager vibes, but his decking? What? 567 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,160 Are you starting to boot case off strong? 568 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,840 Yeah. Hold on, you didn't let me 569 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,080 finish. His next highest comp in the box 570 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:27,320 score scout is Justin Jefferson. He's a guy who has kind of this, 571 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,240 it's a weird production profile. We saw it with like Juju, where 572 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:36,320 you break out in sophomore your sophomore year and then kind of 573 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,640 for reasons probably related to the offense in some way, take a 574 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:45,160 step back in in year 3. But I'm still still a believer 575 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,880 in his profile. Nice, I love. 576 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,680 It I've thought of him as like DJ Moore ish as I. 577 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,320 That's a good one. That's a good one with the 578 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:54,240 upside. He's the charm. 579 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,120 He's the charmilion of DJ Moore's. 580 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:01,160 Just stop it. You might be the char, the 581 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,200 Charmander. I have to apologize for Davis. 582 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,400 He likes to make Pokémon references to every player. 583 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:07,840 That's all right. I'm all about. 584 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:08,440 I was. Going to say. 585 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,840 You think Ray's not hip brother? He is. 586 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:13,640 He knows. Fucking it, brother. 587 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,920 Come on, baby. What what is what's your take on 588 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:21,760 on Burden Ray? He's fine, right? 589 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,560 The, the, the, the, what we're seeing is the NFL, they, they 590 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,840 think he's going to be a top 50 pick, which is great. 591 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:29,720 I, I think he's got a specific role. 592 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,280 Love to see where he lands. I, I, I, I think that's a player 593 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,920 that I'm very curious to see which team he ends up on and we 594 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:37,360 start to project some opportunity. 595 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:38,800 I think he's a good player. I think he's a good player. 596 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:44,520 Yeah, and it's probably with how deep this running back class is, 597 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,440 like ADP wise, he's probably going to get jumped here, right? 598 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,200 Because one of these guys that's still on the board is going to 599 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:54,440 bink a really nice landing spot. And dynasty drafters are not 600 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:58,040 going to be able to help themselves even if Burden does 601 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,640 get a good landing spot probably. 602 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,600 But Ron, any, any Burden takes. I like Burden. 603 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,080 He just scares me. You know, you have guys that 604 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,160 come up like I can't remember who the the first one was that 605 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,120 we just sort of touched on that was a but like Leviska Chennault 606 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,960 comes up like there's just a lot of these weird usage guys that 607 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,280 are kind of like gadgety in a way and have up and down 608 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:21,920 profiles. I don't know. 609 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,960 He just has a high ceiling, low floor, which I think is fine. 610 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,760 And then you have other like I I know JJ Zach Reese and his model 611 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,280 I think has him as like the wide receiver 1. 612 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,760 So it's a it's very interesting. Luther Burden, but. 613 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,360 Although JJ has, he has Ted as his wide receiver, one in his 614 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,200 ranks, but he cut. But Burden came out first in the 615 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,440 model, Yeah. Yeah, like like numbers seem to 616 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,920 like him, like early producer. He was a monster recruit as 617 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,400 well, which is like always a nice like cherry on top or 618 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,760 whatever. He just like I just I have trust 619 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,600 issues with NFL teams using him in a correct fashion. 620 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,400 He only played at Missouri big basically out of like being a 621 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,880 good dude. He's a local, he's a local Saint 622 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:06,400 Louis guy and they they offered him a he got offered a bunch of 623 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,920 NIL money to leave and he was like, no, like they recruited 624 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:09,760 me. They believed in me. 625 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,800 I'm staying very similar to Genti actually. 626 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,040 Like it's crazy that the the number one O one guy went to a 627 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,240 group of five school. Genti got offered like crazy 628 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,280 money to go elsewhere and he said, no, I'm staying because 629 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,840 they believed me when I was a freaking three star recruit 630 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,560 playing at Italian military bases. 631 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:31,160 Luther Burden is that's a true story, by the way, Luther Burden 632 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:36,240 is going to be you. You are going to be the happiest 633 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,120 game and relative to your league mates. 634 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,320 He he's not the same type of player, but he's going to be 635 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,640 like the Brian Thomas junior where we look back at the rookie 636 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,680 draft ADP and be like, holy shit, dude, I I just got Brian 637 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,720 Thomas junior at the 110 of my rookie draft. 638 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:54,320 I can't believe it. Yeah, yeah, we got a 639 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,360 sacrilegious said. This is a classic Blair pick. 640 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,760 If he hit, he's gonna nuke. I will point out previous years, 641 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:06,440 you know, Blair last year had Brock Towers at 4, obviously an 642 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,520 Uber smash there in Titan Premium. 643 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,040 And then three years ago I got it all the same sheet here. 644 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:16,720 Javier Gibbs at three be taking Anthony Richardson over him not 645 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,880 aging very gracefully. That's. 646 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,080 A good point of All right, Ron, it's your time to shine. 647 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,840 Let's go, Ron. Here at six and seven. 648 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:28,080 Let him cook. Let him cook. 649 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,640 Cook, Baby. Yeah, I'll just take both the 650 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,480 Ohio State running backs real quick. 651 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,560 Nice. Give me, give me Quinton 652 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,560 Judkins, Give me Trevion Henderson. 653 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,320 Any order that you'd like the record to officially show? 654 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,600 Give me give me Henderson first, Give me Henderson first, then 655 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,360 Judkins. People forget. 656 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,120 I know, I know raising these Debbie streets like Trevion 657 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,000 Henderson after his freshman year. 658 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,320 It was him in Bijon as like the the top two guys for a second. 659 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,480 Now, of course, you know, Debbie, it's kind of crazy. 660 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,520 You had years were like Quinn, yours was over Caleb Williams. 661 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,840 But Trevon Henderson was kind of the the Prince who was promised 662 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,360 monster recruit pretty crazy freshman year at Ohio State when 663 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,360 they were very good at football. And then some injuries, some 664 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,040 things kind of knocked him off course. 665 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,480 But when you kind of zoom out and you just look at two players 666 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,960 who are hyper productive, Henderson, one who caught 27 667 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,760 balls in 2021 on an Ohio State team with, you know, Marvin 668 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:25,639 Harrison, junior, JSN Olave, everybody there, very impressive 669 00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:27,560 stuff. They both test very well. 670 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:29,960 Judkins, you can kind of poke holes in that. 671 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:31,360 He didn't really catch many passes. 672 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:36,000 And I know a lot of the missed tackles, forced EPA yards, have 673 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,080 to contact. Don't really like him. 674 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,320 But at the end of the day with Quinton Judkins, like he ran for 675 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:44,840 over 1500 yards as a freshman at Ole Miss, which is pretty 676 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,600 impressive. And then he's never been like 677 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,239 under 1000 plus scrimmage yards the entire time. 678 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,719 And then he tests well, you know, also similar speed score 679 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,360 to a guy like Hampton. I think both guys too are kind 680 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,600 of in the mix to to be if there was going to be 3 running backs 681 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,680 off the board in the first round, it'd be one of these two 682 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,800 as well. And then there's also, you know, 683 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,680 some fun landing spots in the early second round for either of 684 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,560 these guys. So I'll take the running backs, 685 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,400 especially with, I was going to add this when we talked about 686 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:15,720 Hampton, but the running back landscape is so brutal that the 687 00:35:15,720 --> 00:35:19,040 four running backs off the board are probably like top 7 running 688 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,200 backs in dynasty the minute they get drafted. 689 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:23,600 It's just kind of like the nature of the position right 690 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,840 now. So I kind of like the idea of 691 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,760 getting one of these guys at the top of the draft as well. 692 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,360 Yeah, I think Judkins, he's like a little Josh Jacobsy in that. 693 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,480 Like, I think you kind of need him to get loaded up with 694 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,400 touches for it to be really all that fun. 695 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:45,400 But he performs so well at the combine that I think he probably 696 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,360 does get loaded up with touches. He ends up somewhere in the 697 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,720 early second round is like a clear cut starter. 698 00:35:51,240 --> 00:35:54,840 And if you like start with that, he looks pretty great. 699 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,080 You know, can he can he be really productive as a clear cut 700 00:35:58,080 --> 00:35:59,200 starter? Like definitely. 701 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,760 So Henderson actually, as I wrote up the the running backs, 702 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,680 I got like a little bit more scared on on. 703 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:09,320 I still have him ahead of Judkins, but the floor for him 704 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,720 is like a little bit more worrying I think. 705 00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:14,360 But his ceiling is really, really fun. 706 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:20,200 Let's see, Ray, I think you mentioned you were probably 707 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,520 going to be interested in a running back there at 3 or 4 708 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,320 again anyways. I assume it was one of these 709 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,360 guys. No, it was not. 710 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,440 No, it would have been Caleb Johnson. 711 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,360 Caleb Johnson is still, he's still my RB3 in the class. 712 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:39,680 I think a lot of people, Henderson is mad talented, but 713 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,440 up until this season, people were done with Henderson. 714 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,600 He couldn't stay healthy. He didn't produce Judkins going 715 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,520 there. He produces a freshman and then 716 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,800 he had two down seasons, right. Then Judkins comes in and it 717 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,200 really opened up and I think Trevion Henderson is going to 718 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,560 need that at the next level. He's going to be an excellent 719 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,720 compliment. He's efficient, he's great, he's 720 00:36:57,720 --> 00:37:00,400 fast. I don't think he's some all 721 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,960 world running back. I still think that Caleb 722 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:07,000 Johnson's ability to operate out of the backfield as like one of 723 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,520 those primary kind of guys, I'm not worried about a freaking 724 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,120 force. Caleb Johnson's definitely 725 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:12,000 better than him, right? He's. 726 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,040 Just not a fan. I don't care about a 457. 727 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,280 I really don't, man. I, I think we, we overreact to 728 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,400 some of those things to certain degrees. 729 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:24,920 But a 457 for a 225 LB running back, I'm, I'm perfectly fine 730 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,200 with that. You know, I'm just, I don't want 731 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,760 to say anything to influence the rest of this mock, but I'm very 732 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,200 curious where the next quarterback comes off the board. 733 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,360 Yeah, Blair, you have any thoughts on these running backs? 734 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,800 Henderson strikes me as a guy Blair would typically like. 735 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:45,800 Yeah, I like both of these guys. I think honestly I would take 736 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,480 both of them ahead of Cam Ward. OK, now we're getting. 737 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,880 Spicy. Now we're getting spicy. 738 00:37:52,720 --> 00:37:56,360 Is that an indictment award, or just how much you love these 739 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,280 two, or a little bit of both? A little bit of both, but yeah, 740 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:03,760 Henderson and Judkins, they both look, look like yeah, really 741 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,640 good, really good backs. I am probably a little bit 742 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,600 higher on Henderson just because of the the pass catching stuff. 743 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,960 And yeah, he is another another guy who's been good for a long 744 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:19,440 time, good as a young player. So yeah. 745 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,560 All right, but any other Davis you have takes on either of 746 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:31,640 these running backs? So I wonder if this will be one 747 00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,240 of the spots where we look back on it and we're like, wow, I 748 00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:38,360 can't believe we did take like Penderson's good and Judkins is 749 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,400 good, but they both kind of have like pretty obvious holes in 750 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,880 their game. Really. 751 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,240 They were both best when they were 18 and then kind of 752 00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:48,760 struggled and like worked through things in different 753 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:49,880 ways. Doesn't necessarily mean they're 754 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,640 bad, but I do just kind of wonder if we will look back at 755 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,520 this and be like, wow, I can't believe we were so thirsty for 756 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,920 these two specific guys from this class had Cam Scataboo and 757 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:03,120 Devin Neil and Bashel Tooten and Damian Martinez and Laquint 758 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:04,840 Allen. And like all these guys who were 759 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:10,320 like very good and are could be contributors even on J3. 760 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,120 Because the other thing about this NFL class is it's so deep 761 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,640 and it's so good that I think some teams in the NFL who are 762 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,440 not, you know, totally taken by the Barkley Henry Jacobs from 763 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,400 last year are gonna be like, this class is so good. 764 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,960 Let's just not take a guy on day 2 and there's gonna be 3 guys we 765 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,120 have big green flags on. And whichever 1 is there, when 766 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,080 we pick at 1:13, we're gonna take that guy and we're gonna be 767 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,840 really happy with it. Yeah, that's that's part of my 768 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,240 concern with this draft class. It's actually that teams are 769 00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:40,960 gonna be in that spot and they're gonna end up up and like 770 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,960 that team will have a starting running back, like a clear cut 771 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,600 starter. They do not need running back, 772 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,920 but they're but they like to invest in running back and 773 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,280 they're getting like the top guy on their board by a mile as a 774 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,200 running back because it's around 4 and this dude shouldn't be 775 00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,840 there. You know, that's like, but the 776 00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:03,040 nice thing about Henderson and Judkins is that that's not going 777 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,600 to happen to them. These guys I think have locked 778 00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:09,480 up top 50 draft capital so. That's one of the things I'm 779 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,920 actually a little bit nervous about with Caleb Johnson is I 780 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,280 think he might be like 1/3 rounder now and that could. 781 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,440 He's just too good. See, I just don't, I and I, I 782 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:23,080 cannot argue with any data, but just I don't think it matters. 783 00:40:23,240 --> 00:40:26,840 Like maybe if you're talking about longevity and how long, 784 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:32,120 but if a third round Caleb Johnson lands in Washington and 785 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,640 you've got a second round, mid to late second round Judkins, I 786 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,600 don't see that. I don't, I don't know how that's 787 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,120 that big of a difference. I mean, they both topped out at 788 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:45,240 22 receptions. The athleticism I can't argue 789 00:40:45,240 --> 00:40:47,280 with. I'm just speaking to the 790 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,520 deployment of running backs on specific teams and the way that 791 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,040 they're used. I I don't think the NFL teams 792 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,640 give a shit like we're going to utilize you until you can't play 793 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,720 anymore. Whether you're 5th, 6th rounder, 794 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,080 third round, or second rounder. Get these touches, make 795 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,280 something happen, or get out of the way if you. 796 00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:07,040 If you get the landing. Spot 17 PAT the the 1st 2 rounds 797 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,320 rounds 1 and 2 and 2017. You have 4 running backs taken 798 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:15,080 in the historic 2017 class. In the 1st 64 picks there were 4 799 00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:16,960 running backs, so the commanders. 800 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:21,720 Were. Round 3-4, I mean, I'm just, I 801 00:41:21,720 --> 00:41:24,520 think I guess we're going into just a different football era 802 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:28,720 where if you're pit tie, your opportunity is locked in for a 803 00:41:28,720 --> 00:41:31,160 little bit longer, but if you could ball what team you land on 804 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,000 and go ball. Right. 805 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,880 But I you have to be right. Like, I think the the issue with 806 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,520 Caleb Johnson's potential draft capital decline is that like 807 00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:44,520 now, it puts more emphasis on us being right about him being 808 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,080 really good. He's going to have to go earn an 809 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,080 opportunity unless he hits like the landing spot lottery, for 810 00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,720 sure. B lands in Washington and I kind 811 00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:53,840 of change this a bit, but you know, the further he falls, the 812 00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,400 more likely it is he lands somewhere bad, like kind of like 813 00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,840 a like a Trey Benson type of situation where it's like, oh, 814 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,520 you're just not going to be starting this year. 815 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,520 That's that's a bummer. Zach Charbonnet went went second 816 00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:06,640 round. But that kind of thing where 817 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,680 you're like, oh, I thought you were going to be starting this 818 00:42:09,720 --> 00:42:12,200 year and you're not. And the but the other thing is 819 00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,480 right, it's just like almost all of these guy and why it's going 820 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,320 to be so chaotic for the running back position in general is like 821 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,600 all of these guys are going to go have some kind of 822 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,640 competition. It's just how much do they 823 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,160 wrestle away from the incumbent, right? 824 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,720 Like it's like how much how much do you steal away from Jalen 825 00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:29,680 Warren and how much does he hold you off? 826 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:34,360 Like in that band there is going to go a long way in determining 827 00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,480 like how big a hits these guys are. 828 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,040 Right. And you know, my boy Ronald 829 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,880 Jones was a full red shirt as like the 38th pick in the draft. 830 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,360 So the second round draft capital doesn't doesn't lock you 831 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:45,960 an opportunity. It gives you a head start. 832 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,000 Yeah. All right, this is the the draft 833 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,280 so far. Ashton, JT, one O 1, Omari and 834 00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:53,840 Hampton. We get our first quarterback at 835 00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,280 3, Cam Ward. Then we piss yellow for a couple 836 00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,720 here, Ted McMillan, Luther Burden and then Ron comes back 837 00:42:59,720 --> 00:43:03,160 in double taps the Ohio State running backs Tribune, Henderson 838 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,640 and Quinton Judkins. This means Davis is on the clock 839 00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:13,000 for his 2nd pick today. Travis Hunter, wide receiver, 840 00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:14,200 New York. Times. 841 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,680 I almost took, I almost took him at three, I almost took him. 842 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,560 At 3:00 and then. I well, then I looked at the 843 00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,080 board, I looked at the, I just wanted to have this on the 844 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,240 record. And I then I looked at the board 845 00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:28,200 and I was like, oh, I'll probably be able to take him 846 00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,040 there if whatever team takes him comes out. 847 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,480 Basically, I'm assuming if the Titans don't take him at one, 848 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,920 all the other teams at the top, it makes so much more sense for 849 00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:40,000 them to play him as a wide receiver. 850 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,320 Browns need a wide receiver big time. 851 00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:47,160 Giants are like begging for for they they they have they 852 00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:48,920 actually have one good corner on the team. 853 00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:52,560 It's like one of their only good defensive players, Patriots. 854 00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,400 I mean, they just gave Stefan Diggs half the GDP of El 855 00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,120 Salvador. They need a wide receiver. 856 00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:04,040 Like it's it's it's it's it's it's big time and again, 857 00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:08,640 thinking about it more and more, all the money is to be made at 858 00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,800 wide receiver. All the fame for Travis Hunters. 859 00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,120 Like if you just want to talk about like national attention, 860 00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:18,280 how fans interact with them and from AGM perspective about a 861 00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:23,440 general manager wanting to save his job, Fans, fans are not 862 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:28,440 going to be able to kick out the fine. 863 00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,360 You know, oh, look, look how Travis Hunter, you know, 864 00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,160 deflects his body away so the wide receiver can't get to his 865 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,000 spot. Even if he is very good at that, 866 00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:40,720 even if he leads the NFC East in past breakups or whatever, that 867 00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:43,320 does not keep you from getting fired. 868 00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:44,880 You know what keeps you from getting fired? 869 00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,800 Travis Hunter. You know, scoring a 70 yard 870 00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,640 touchdown and then doing the Heisman Trophy celebration in a 871 00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,720 13 point loss to the Washington Commander. 872 00:44:52,720 --> 00:44:55,160 So that at least helps you keep your job. 873 00:44:55,240 --> 00:44:59,280 So Travis Hunter. I'm curious what you guys think 874 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:03,320 of this as maybe not as extreme of a Travis Hunter bowl as me 875 00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,280 and Davis. Because the other thing I was 876 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,440 thinking about this with through the lens of dynasty, right, is 877 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,160 we're generally more willing to take on some of these extreme 878 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,320 polarizing risks in basketball, right? 879 00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,920 The boom bust because it's like, you know what, you hit great, 880 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:17,920 you burn it, whatever $10 team, it's done. 881 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,040 Like in Dynasty, you are playing a bit of a safety game more, 882 00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,880 which on the surface, Travis Hunter seems like kind of like 883 00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:25,920 boom, busty from a fantasy prospect. 884 00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,160 But then when you zoom out on it, like you have the insulation 885 00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,280 of him being an incredible football player. 886 00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,560 And even in the scenarios where he does play some defensive back 887 00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,880 over the longevity of his career, if anything, the dynasty 888 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,520 market is going to be able to say, OK, but then what happens 889 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,360 when he does finally start getting used as a wide receiver? 890 00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,800 Almost similar to the argument we made about a running back 891 00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,640 going in a timeshare. It's like, well, what happens 892 00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,480 when he does get the full workload? 893 00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,960 So does anyone else find this price too high? 894 00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:55,320 Too low? I'm curious what the the 895 00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,680 committee thing. I was praying you'd fall to me. 896 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,440 I mean, I think the upside is just so high. 897 00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:06,000 His like digging into him as a wide receiver prospect. 898 00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:10,080 I think he's the wide receiver one and it's just like, does he 899 00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:14,200 play wide receiver? And you, you know, if you think 900 00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:18,400 that Shador's going top three, which is definitely still very 901 00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,200 up in the air. But if he goes top three, then 902 00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:25,240 Hunter is most likely going to end up on the Patriots where 903 00:46:25,240 --> 00:46:28,280 they desperately need a play making wide receiver and they 904 00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,520 already have a quarterback. So he's probably a wide receiver 905 00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,160 there if he doesn't go to the pay, if the Patriots were to 906 00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,880 like take Membu or something and pass or the trade off the pick 907 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,800 or whatever, like the Jaguars are in play. 908 00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,480 I think he's probably a wide receiver there. 909 00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,920 So and the other thing is that I've been hearing stuff at first 910 00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:45,040 it seemed like he was a cornerback. 911 00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:46,720 I thought he's a wide receiver. Now I think he's actually a 912 00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:49,000 cornerback. Recently it's been some of the 913 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,040 stuff I'm hearing is like, no, no, no, I think this dude's a 914 00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,600 wide receiver. Matt Harmon's write up on him 915 00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,720 was was glowing as a wide receiver, obviously. 916 00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,440 So I'm I'm starting to wonder if the NFL actually thinks this 917 00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:03,520 guy's a wide receiver and if if he's a wide receiver, this is 918 00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:07,560 way too late. All right, Ray, got to get the 919 00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,840 the official Ray Travis Hunter take here. 920 00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,960 I got nothing else to add, man. He's an incredible player. 921 00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,960 I, I, I honestly think from an NFL standpoint, teams would be 922 00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,960 silly not to try them both ways, that he's going to play both 923 00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,520 sides of the ball. You'd be foolish not to draft, 924 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,040 to draft this guy, not give him an opportunity to play. 925 00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,240 I think it's going to be the thing that we debate about all 926 00:47:28,240 --> 00:47:31,200 summer, and if I'm Travis Hunter's camp, if I'm an NFL 927 00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,800 team, I'm not letting anybody know how much or how little he's 928 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:36,120 going to play on either side of the ball. 929 00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,280 It's worth the swing right here at 8:00. 930 00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,360 I, too, agree that he would be the top wide receiver in this 931 00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:45,120 class today if he were to just say that's what I'm going to 932 00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,160 interact and declare at. I think he wants to do both. 933 00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,320 He's been very outspoken from the time he was a high school 934 00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,240 prospect of Jackson State at Colorado. 935 00:47:53,240 --> 00:47:55,920 I'm going to play both ways. They will run less plays in the 936 00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:57,600 NFL. He's going to do it. 937 00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,360 So I think it's worth a swing. It's a it's a, and here's the 938 00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:04,400 thing, in Dynasty, you don't need him to be Justin Jefferson. 939 00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:08,280 You just need a couple of other people in your league to think 940 00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:10,880 that's going to be the outcome. And then you probably can get a 941 00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,600 King's ransom for him. You also have if he goes to the 942 00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:20,080 Giants at 3:00 or if he goes to the the Browns at two, you also 943 00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,600 have like the he's going to at some point get a better 944 00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:24,440 quarterback. He might get a new coaching 945 00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,040 staff. There's going to be probably 946 00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,240 points along the line where it's like, no, no, he's actually 947 00:48:29,240 --> 00:48:31,640 going to play full time wide receiver now and he's got a 948 00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,960 quarterback upgrade. There's there's many times after 949 00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:36,800 this year that I think we get really excited about Travis 950 00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,000 Hunter because he can he's awesome at football like you 951 00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,680 have. How much of a discount should we 952 00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,720 give people on a guy who no one disagrees with the the 953 00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:46,280 statement? He's awesome at football. 954 00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,800 Ron, where you at on Stewart? On Stewart. 955 00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:53,840 I mean, I have, I have his jersey behind me. 956 00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,120 Oh, OK. Literally if you if you could 957 00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,960 guarantee me that he runs 80% plus of the routes for like his 958 00:48:59,960 --> 00:49:01,960 entire career, he'd be the one O 1 for me. 959 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,920 Like. He's he's literally like there. 960 00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,160 I just have him. I would have taken him at 8 as 961 00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:10,400 well. That that's this is like pretty 962 00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,440 much how it shakes out for me as well. 963 00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:15,920 Where this is the spot where you have to take him. 964 00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,000 He's an amazing football player. But there is something about 965 00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:19,840 Travis Hunter where he was the number one guy coming out of 966 00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:21,680 high school. He's been this guy the entire 967 00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:23,600 time. He wins Heisman in like the most 968 00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:25,680 showy, Otani spectacular way of all time. 969 00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,240 I'm just not betting against him at any point. 970 00:49:28,240 --> 00:49:30,280 Like I think no matter what he does, he's an all pro 971 00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:33,760 generational guy. Ron, 80% is too easy. 972 00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,680 What if we just told you right now he's going to be a primary 973 00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,000 receiver? You don't know any percentages. 974 00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,480 He's going to play. He's going to play some corner, 975 00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:43,920 but we're drafting him as a receiver. 976 00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,000 Where would he go? He's he's going to be more 977 00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:47,760 receiver than corner. Where would you take him? 978 00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,560 No 80% right now, though. I'd say 2. 979 00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:52,760 I'd say 2. If you, if he, if he comes out 980 00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:54,800 as receiver, his name's on the thing as receiver. 981 00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,360 He comes out, they they, they bring somebody out, you know, 982 00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,400 they have the, the lady interviewed about the draft. 983 00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:00,680 So, So what do we play in Travis? 984 00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:02,960 He says. I'm a wide receiver first, Boom. 985 00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:07,160 Second overall for me. Isn't it telling, though? 986 00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,080 All of these hypothetical exercises we've done are all of 987 00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:11,800 the reasons we should have him higher. 988 00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,520 No one is higher. But if this happens, he'd be, 989 00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,680 you know, a second. No, I, I, I literally raised him 990 00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,680 in the ranks because I was like sitting here, like, who do I 991 00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:21,200 want? And it's, it's Travis Hunter. 992 00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,280 And so yeah, I just, we should just have him higher. 993 00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:25,600 He should, I mean. I win. 994 00:50:25,720 --> 00:50:28,440 Can we all just agree I won this exercise I got. 995 00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,560 Not if he plays cornerback. Not if the colour coding's. 996 00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:32,840 Right on the chart. Not if he plays cornerback. 997 00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:34,640 I'm so scared. I I. 998 00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,160 Maybe tried drafting an offensive player? 999 00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,000 You're you're on record. Can't believe I passed on video 1000 00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,720 influence. Your your Travis Hunter outlook. 1001 00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:47,760 So I, I, I LED you to, to the water that that is. 1002 00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,480 Oh, go ahead. I was just gonna say I agree 1003 00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,880 with everything about the upside case, but the one thing I don't 1004 00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:57,520 want to necessarily bet on is NFL teams doing something that's 1005 00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:58,280 smart. So. 1006 00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:02,760 Yeah, that's where that's where I think the the downside case 1007 00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:04,800 comes in. And there's like a bell curve 1008 00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:06,680 like I, cuz I know you were saying Pete, like later in his 1009 00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,720 career he could maybe build up the routes or whatever. 1010 00:51:09,720 --> 00:51:12,560 I think that there is kind of a bell curve where you see guys, 1011 00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:14,520 whether they're at corner or wide receiver, like they stop 1012 00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,040 returning punts at a certain point. 1013 00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,320 Or like, I think like maybe Patrick Peterson used to like 1014 00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,640 return punts and play both ways, but that was like maybe only 1015 00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,160 like his first two or three years. 1016 00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,160 I think like after the first, you know, it like he's not going 1017 00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,800 to be DB through year six and then all of a sudden he's going 1018 00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:31,800 to come out and players like he did in college. 1019 00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:33,920 You know, Jackson State was a little bit, then a little more 1020 00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,200 and then a bunch. But there is kind of a bell 1021 00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,520 curve to it where I think, you know, you're 789. 1022 00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,360 If it didn't happen by then, it didn't happen. 1023 00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:46,360 Well, and I think Ray mentioned, and I completely agree, I do 1024 00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:51,280 think he is going to get a crack to play both ways and see how it 1025 00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,480 goes. But I think if anything gets 1026 00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,160 trimmed, it's like the defensive side, right? 1027 00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,080 Like maybe the dude is just the Unicorn of all unicorns and he 1028 00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,080 plays a lot on both defense and offense. 1029 00:52:01,240 --> 00:52:03,120 But like if something gets trimmed and they're like, you're 1030 00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,240 so good at wide receiver, let's just take you down to maybe a 1031 00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:09,680 few packages on defense, right? Like I find it hard to imagine 1032 00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,080 it going the other way. Like you're really good. 1033 00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,360 We're going to like scale back your offensive impact on our 1034 00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,840 team so you can be 100% defensive player. 1035 00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,520 That seems like the least likely of the scenarios to me. 1036 00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,240 And I think the fascinating part that's like over my head at this 1037 00:52:23,240 --> 00:52:25,880 point is just like how he handles both playbooks. 1038 00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,280 Like I think, I think at Colorado, the story is that a 1039 00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,680 coach on the sideline would just give him a signal to just like 1040 00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,400 run a route. Like he didn't even really, he 1041 00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,920 didn't really know the entire offensive playbook. 1042 00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:36,840 Like I don't know what that looks like. 1043 00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:38,360 You know what I mean? Like, I don't know how you 1044 00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:41,200 situationally deploy a corner, whether it's like only in dime 1045 00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,240 or something. But I think like this is just me 1046 00:52:44,240 --> 00:52:45,960 spectating, but it'll be very interesting. 1047 00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,600 I wonder if they almost like do it week by week to an extent 1048 00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,560 where you like, you know, let's say there's a rash of injuries 1049 00:52:52,720 --> 00:52:56,040 and it's like we need, we need Hunter on the defensive side for 1050 00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:59,080 the next couple weeks and they just like bring him over rather 1051 00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,960 than trying to have him do it like, you know, during a game. 1052 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,800 But also even think we talk a lot about, you know, when guys 1053 00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:07,840 are questionable, right? And they're like, well, he's 1054 00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,200 just going to be used in high impact scenarios. 1055 00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,000 You know, in this game, like not it's like, OK, like if Travis 1056 00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,200 Hunter is going to be used in high impact scenarios, we get 1057 00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,440 into the red zone, you know, we have the goal line and this guy 1058 00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,880 can just go and play one-on-one and beat whoever. 1059 00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:23,080 On but that that actually goes to the the concern that maybe 1060 00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:26,480 does play cornerback because if you're thinking about like how 1061 00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,560 can you bring someone in in a high leverage situation and feel 1062 00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,160 really confident, you're more confident about bringing this 1063 00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:35,440 dude who doesn't always play on offense out there and he can 1064 00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,640 make plays as opposed to like the cornerback. 1065 00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:41,320 Like this is a weak link system. So if it's like I'm this guy 1066 00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,800 doesn't play a lot on defense and now we're bringing him in. 1067 00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,800 I think of the Gronkowski Hail Mary where I think that they 1068 00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:49,240 bombed it over top of Gronkowski. 1069 00:53:49,240 --> 00:53:51,680 They bring him in and it just it looked, it looked rough. 1070 00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:57,200 So real quick to to the to the thing with Hunter's routes and 1071 00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:02,600 just the thing he ran 444 pass routes last year and I'm not 1072 00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,080 good at math here. That ain't that ain't no GQ 1073 00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,160 strong suit. So I'll leave the percentages to 1074 00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,400 y'all. Out of those hundred and those 1075 00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:15,840 444 routes, 117 of them were the easiest route that you can run 1076 00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:17,480 in college football, which is the hitch route. 1077 00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:21,480 Just run, turn around, catch the ball and go be an athlete. 117 1078 00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:26,320 of 444 were hitch routes and he was targeted on that route more 1079 00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:30,200 than any other route that he run in that he ran in 2024 was the 1080 00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,400 hitch route. Interesting. 1081 00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,400 I think it was a lot of that just could just go be the best 1082 00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:39,120 guy out there. All right, I'm on the clock at 9 1083 00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,600 devastated to not get to be the one to press the button on 1084 00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:44,000 Hunter, but I'm going to do Tyler Warren. 1085 00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:48,880 I hear people do forget this is Titan premium seems like a 1086 00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:53,320 virtual lock for the top ten. Maybe like falls a little bit 1087 00:54:53,720 --> 00:54:55,920 my. Man my man took Jelani Woods 1088 00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,280 rotational partner with. Get out of here. 1089 00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,120 Don't. Don't get out of. 1090 00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:06,260 Here he's already Zach has already added him to the Spider 1091 00:55:06,260 --> 00:55:08,080 man. Pointing meme graphic with MO 1092 00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:12,160 ally kids. Get out of here, Alan. 1093 00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:13,400 Granson. Get out of here. 1094 00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:17,120 Davidson just pissed he had to take Cam Ward and couldn't have 1095 00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:21,160 done a fancier pick. 44% of Anthony Richardsons routes at 1096 00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:22,200 the 1.9. Dude. 1097 00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:29,960 No, Tyler Warren, one of the most productive tight ends we've 1098 00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:33,360 seen coming out of college, can do it all. 1099 00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:38,240 And yes, he he doesn't have to be Brock Bowers to be a smash at 1100 00:55:38,240 --> 00:55:40,920 this this price tag for dynasty. And like Ray was saying too, 1101 00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:44,360 like the positional advantage you can now get in dynasty with 1102 00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,720 some of these elite tight ends is massive. 1103 00:55:47,720 --> 00:55:51,240 So I'm not going to overthink the the top ten draft pick. 1104 00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:55,560 And yes, the Colts landing spot would not be ideal, but we are 1105 00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:58,880 very bad at predicting those kind of things this far in 1106 00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,960 advance as well. I I got a question for everyone. 1107 00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:06,360 Let's say Brock Bauer sucked last year. 600 receptions, 3 1108 00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,960 touchdowns. Don't don't even include the 1109 00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:12,360 fact that Laporta and McBride also back-to-back years or 1110 00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,120 pretty well. McBride was bad until the final 1111 00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:18,120 four games but just pretend Bowers like sucked or was fine 1112 00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:21,160 but but did not was not the tight end one in fantasy. 1113 00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,280 Didn't break Pukunakua's receptions record. 1114 00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:25,520 Where are we? What are we thinking about? 1115 00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:29,240 Tyler Warren, who sat behind Brenton Strange and Theo Johnson 1116 00:56:29,240 --> 00:56:33,120 as a 21 year old for Penn State. That's a true story by the way. 1117 00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:36,400 He's he's Penn State's tight end 3 as a 21 year old. 1118 00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,880 Yeah, it was Theo Johnson, Brenton Strange. 1119 00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,280 And then his freshman year, Pat Fryermuth was there. 1120 00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:44,680 I was just digging into him a little more. 1121 00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:50,440 I, I, so I haven't been that high on Warren throughout, but 1122 00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,800 I'm digging in. I'm gonna get my tight end 1123 00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:56,240 article up soon. And I mean the final year was 1124 00:56:56,240 --> 00:57:00,480 just so, so good. And he's a traditional why tight 1125 00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:05,520 ends, you know, good blocker. You know, the the filmy vows are 1126 00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:10,040 are, you know, pristine. So you're he's actually he also, 1127 00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,800 you know, gets used a little bit around the goal line as a as a 1128 00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:19,320 runner Wildcat, all that. So you're I'm kind of more in 1129 00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:20,600 than I thought I was going to be. 1130 00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:24,240 And I don't know that that this is necessarily us chasing 1131 00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,040 Bowers. I mean, he hasn't been. 1132 00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:29,760 I thought it was going to get a little out of control and it 1133 00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:31,360 hasn't yet. It's been now if he goes to the 1134 00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:34,240 Colts, yeah, it's been rational. I think it's been rational. 1135 00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,840 So I'm actually kind of coming a little bit higher on on Tyler 1136 00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,400 Warren than I initially. I'm just being a Dick because it 1137 00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:45,840 was Peter's pick. Does the double whammy of 1138 00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:49,440 getting sniped on Hunter for David get all over my? 1139 00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:51,680 Pick. I think you could you could 1140 00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:55,000 argue for Warren as early as five in in this draft. 1141 00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:59,400 If he avoids the Colts, I think you could argue for him to be 1142 00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,600 3:00. What if the Bengals take him? 1143 00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:04,800 OK, Yeah. I didn't just scare the hell out 1144 00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:08,640 of me, man. Like, we got hours last year, 1145 00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:11,240 but before that we're talking like Pitts, like Hawkinson's 1146 00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:13,280 been cool, like a. Porta you know a. 1147 00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,040 Fan but Laporta wasn't like a round one dunk. 1148 00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:18,120 Michael Mayer was the consensus one overhead. 1149 00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:21,160 Michael Mayer is another name. But I loved coming out and it 1150 00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:23,280 doesn't matter. You could go like Noah Fan. 1151 00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,200 You could talk through like Tyler Eifer. 1152 00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:30,160 It is, it is the position where RSQ between draft capital and. 1153 00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:31,600 The lowest is. The lowest. 1154 00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:33,800 Yeah. And between like anything like 1155 00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:35,680 production metrics like none of it. 1156 00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:37,240 None of it. That's why like that, that's 1157 00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,000 that's why I was going to like say like I, I, I feel both 1158 00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,640 arguments because like with or you can kind of poke holes in 1159 00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:46,160 both where like Davis is saying, OK, look who he was behind as a 1160 00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:47,680 freshman for Titan. It doesn't matter. 1161 00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:49,960 Like you could like OJ Howard was a monster. 1162 00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,320 At Alabama. And that was just giving room 1163 00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,640 that was as a 21 year old junior that he was the Titan 3 on Penn 1164 00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:56,640 State just to be. Clear. 1165 00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:58,080 I just don't. I don't know that it matters a 1166 00:58:58,080 --> 00:58:59,760 ton. Like I was I was looking it up 1167 00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:01,400 just a kind of just a tongue in cheek of like. 1168 00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,840 Kittle as a junior was out produced by Henry Krieger Kobel, 1169 00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:08,720 a tight end to Iowa. If you wanted to play in all of 1170 00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:10,360 the top titles of our. Generation. 1171 00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:13,200 That's a good game. Kittle in the 5th, we're talking 1172 00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:16,400 Kelsey like the second or third. Like none of these guys like get 1173 00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:17,960 drafted. Like there is no Jamar. 1174 00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,120 There's Brock Bowers, but that's it. 1175 00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:22,720 That's that's literally it in terms of tight end. 1176 00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:26,520 I I, I I agree with both Davis and Ron. 1177 00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:31,240 I think there is a world where Tyler Warren is absolutely worth 1178 00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:34,480 this, if not more. But the beautiful thing about 1179 00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:38,040 this class is I can also make a case for Mason Taylor, who we 1180 00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:40,880 probably won't even take, and he's going to be drafted later 1181 00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:42,320 and he'll probably get a chance to start. 1182 00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:45,360 You've got Elijah Arroyo. There's like 10 Titans in this 1183 00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:49,600 class that at opportunity cost, like you better be right. 1184 00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,000 Tyler went for this bet to pay off. 1185 00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:55,760 He can't be pat fryer move. He he he you don't want that. 1186 00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:59,720 You don't want a good tight end. He's got to be Bowers or or up 1187 00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:02,080 there in that range. I think I'd rather just take a 1188 01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:06,840 shot on an Arroyo or whomever that tight end four or five is 1189 01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:09,280 that's going to be drafted in a spot to get opportunity to go 1190 01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:11,880 play. But I I could see both cases for 1191 01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:15,600 for here. I think at the very least Warren 1192 01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:20,840 is a much much stronger bet to be drafted in like the top 7 1193 01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:25,200 rounds of best ball drafts next year then like a Tailor or an 1194 01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:27,440 Arroyo. Like he or I mean he's a better 1195 01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:29,560 bet than Loveland all. I think they're probably similar 1196 01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:34,200 to your, but we're we're pretty likely to end up anointing Tyler 1197 01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,280 Warren as the next thing at some point. 1198 01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:39,560 I, I do want to say one thing on the record. 1199 01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:42,080 He's not going to get the Taysom Hill stuff that everyone is 1200 01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:44,040 imagining. If Brock Bowers didn't get it, 1201 01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:48,320 Tyler Warren ain't getting it. The, the, the Wildcat, the 1202 01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:52,240 running stuff, he's, he's bigger, but Bowers was, Bowers 1203 01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:55,400 was, I think 300 running yards, 9 rushing touchdowns off the top 1204 01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:59,320 of my head, Tyler Warren was like 250 and, and three I think 1205 01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,720 I, I, and I, I'm not saying Warren is bad. 1206 01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:05,120 I just think there's a lot of pattern matching going on from 1207 01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:08,680 we just saw rookie Titan who we all like smash to this rookie 1208 01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:10,840 Titan that we all like is also destined to smash. 1209 01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:16,520 If. 9th is fair though I will. I will say that 9th is 1210 01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:18,480 absolutely fine. It's of course we're just. 1211 01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:19,760 We're just talking about the player. 1212 01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:22,040 We're just vibing. I think part. 1213 01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:24,880 Of it too is like who, who else are you supposed to take here? 1214 01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:28,720 Like you're looking at like. I actually was excited to make 1215 01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:32,040 this pick because it felt like a pretty big tear gap after 1216 01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:36,360 warrant to me. I mean, Golden is a boom bust 1217 01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:41,320 prospect like this dude. I mean, I, I was hoping that we 1218 01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:44,200 were going to get the the reception perception write up on 1219 01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:46,400 him was going to be glowing because like that's such a big 1220 01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:48,240 part of it's like, oh, dude, this guy wins with route 1221 01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:49,400 running. That's fine. 1222 01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:54,680 And I'm like, OK, well, he's he's fast, but on tape he's not 1223 01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:56,720 supposed to be like this, this speed merchant. 1224 01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:58,840 He's kind of like he's not great after the catch. 1225 01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:00,600 You know, you look at his numbers, it's like his yak 1226 01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:03,080 stuff. He had some yak on behind the 1227 01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:06,200 line of scrimmage targets, but if you look at downfield yak, 1228 01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:10,120 really unimpressive. He gets open, but maybe he's not 1229 01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:13,320 like amazing at getting open. So it's really just like, yeah, 1230 01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:16,680 this guy is a three-year prospect, didn't produce a lot, 1231 01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:19,440 but that gives you maybe some upside given that he's going to 1232 01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:21,400 get drafted probably in the top 20. 1233 01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:25,600 But I, I have a hard time getting like super excited about 1234 01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:28,160 like, give me Warren, you know, over, over Matthew Golden. 1235 01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:30,120 I I think I feel confident about that. 1236 01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:34,040 I also think like, like in, you know, poking holes in, like the 1237 01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:37,080 tight end hit rates. We don't have that many tight 1238 01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:40,000 ends who have gone top ten, like in the past 20 years. 1239 01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:41,280 Like, yeah, she can point to Kyle Pitts. 1240 01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:43,800 You have what you have Hawkinson, Ebron would be a 1241 01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:45,880 bust, but you could go back to like, Vernon Davis. 1242 01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:48,240 I was just looking at some of the names, Like it is a very 1243 01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:51,240 small cohort of players who've actually gotten that kind of 1244 01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:53,640 draft capital. You also if Kelsey had micro 1245 01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:58,320 fracture surgery right coming in, he had some, I think it was 1246 01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:02,400 micro fracture issue and then Rob Gronkowski had a back 1247 01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:05,480 injury. So both those guys probably 1248 01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:06,880 would have been first round picks. 1249 01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:09,880 I don't know how high, but. Kelsey wouldn't have Gronk. 1250 01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:12,040 Gronk could. Have Gronk would have, yeah. 1251 01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:17,560 But, you know, the some of the great prospects that we've had 1252 01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:20,440 had like had red flags that pretend, you know, hurt them. 1253 01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:23,760 Now, Kyle Pitts obviously hurts, but Warren, if there's a Kyle 1254 01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:25,360 Pitts in this draft, it's Loveland. 1255 01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:30,560 Loveland is in that mold More, much, much more than than. 1256 01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:33,000 Yeah. All right, Pat, you're on the 1257 01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:36,240 clock with 10 and then we're we're probably going to have to 1258 01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:38,280 pick up our pace here. I want to, I don't want to keep 1259 01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:41,840 our guests too much longer than like 430 here. 1260 01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:44,680 So let's start to speed round a little bit, but I don't want to 1261 01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:48,280 short shortchange Pat on his his his picks here. 1262 01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:52,120 Well, yeah, I mean, it's been, you know, I've had to just talk 1263 01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:54,240 about the other selections because I'm sitting at 10:00 and 1264 01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:54,760 12:00. It's just. 1265 01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:57,960 The worst spot for this entire mock. 1266 01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:01,000 Draft well, it's the worst spot, but at worst this means that I 1267 01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:03,400 finished third in the league and I like to think I won the league 1268 01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:05,360 and also traded for for this 10th pick. 1269 01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:08,800 So I'll throw my Venmo in the in the private chat here Yeah as 1270 01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:12,400 the champ, I'm going to go ahead and take the the Kyle Pitts. 1271 01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:13,760 Give me, give me Coulson Loveland. 1272 01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:17,440 OK. Yeah, I think Loveland Titans, 1273 01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:20,840 he's just, he's, I think Warren's a better prospect, but 1274 01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:23,440 I think Loveland is a pretty strong tight end prospect. 1275 01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:25,040 He's going to have first round draft capital. 1276 01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:29,600 The fact that he might fall a little further could be pretty 1277 01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:31,680 good for us. You know, him going to like the 1278 01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:34,640 Chargers or something obviously would be awesome. 1279 01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:37,040 There's some landing spots that you get pretty excited about. 1280 01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:39,840 As long as you just get past the Colts, man, just get past the 1281 01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:43,320 Colts and we're good. But he's more of the pass 1282 01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:45,680 catcher. I think that gives a little bit 1283 01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:50,120 have a lower floor actually, like he could end up on a team 1284 01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:53,360 where they're they they aren't playing him in that full time 1285 01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:57,880 role. No a fan type of downside, but 1286 01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:00,880 obviously as the kind of the big wide receiver archetype and 1287 01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:03,560 actually kind of a good deep threat by tight end standards. 1288 01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:09,160 He he has kind of a Dalton Kincaid, but it works type of 1289 01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:12,360 type of ceiling. I do just want to point out Pat, 1290 01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:15,160 that you can't spell Colston without Colts. 1291 01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:19,160 So just remember that next time you say no Colts for him. 1292 01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:23,080 Any other takes on on Loveland here from the crew? 1293 01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:27,280 That could be a guy where you look back and you can. 1294 01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:30,520 I can't believe I spent my rookie first on this. 1295 01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:35,320 You can say that about any of these guys. 1296 01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:38,800 But I mean, we're talking like Warren at least like has like 1297 01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:41,640 high level experience, like clearly was the best player on 1298 01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:44,000 his team. That Michigan offense, not even 1299 01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,680 like a real football team. They they put Alex Orgy in at 1300 01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:50,120 quarterback and we're just like effectively running the Wing T 1301 01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:52,280 Like he was like not on a serious football team. 1302 01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:55,240 So like, I don't think we know what Colson Loveland is really 1303 01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:58,440 with any kind of like remember how Steven Hill had like a 90% 1304 01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:01,600 dominator rating? It just a totally a fake way. 1305 01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:05,760 Loveland, like Loveland, had a 20 or 30% dominator rating with 1306 01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:10,560 like 500 yards. Yeah, there's also like we were 1307 01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:13,360 talking about how this goes pre and post draft. 1308 01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:16,280 There's a really good chance like say these two landing spots 1309 01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:19,720 are the Colts and The Jets. Maybe Ron can speak on this, but 1310 01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:22,840 it's like the market's not going to be like super excited about 1311 01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:25,360 those spots. These guys are probably going to 1312 01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:29,880 get jumped by running backs in most, most scenarios ADP wise. 1313 01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:35,400 Ron, do you think your your Jets take a Mulligan on the passing 1314 01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:38,080 on Brock Bowers and and go ahead and grab one of these guys? 1315 01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:40,240 It would it would be perfect Jets. 1316 01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:42,240 It would be like the most jets thing ever. 1317 01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:45,240 I was on your stream last year. I mean Fasan who's great, but 1318 01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:47,760 like I wanted Bauer so bad. It would make sense. 1319 01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:49,560 It is worth noting it's a different regime. 1320 01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:51,680 So I don't think that like I don't know that Aaron Glenn 1321 01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:55,280 really cares, but it wouldn't shock me for them to go for like 1322 01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:58,960 a Loveland and what Glenn comes from Detroit who's kind of taken 1323 01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:01,320 like Gibbs and he's like they don't care about positions or 1324 01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:05,360 whatever. So I could see it as like a 1325 01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:09,560 weapon of sorts for The Jets. But yeah, I I wish I could say 1326 01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:13,480 something more positive. All right, Blair, on the clock 1327 01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:16,400 at 11. You started your draft with 1328 01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:18,200 Luther Burden. A little controversy there. 1329 01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:19,720 Do you? Got another spicy one for us. 1330 01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:23,160 Well, my tight end one, of course, hasn't even gone off the 1331 01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:28,240 board yet, but I'm still going to, I think, go with Ray's guy 1332 01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:32,520 here and take Caleb Johnson. OK, All right. 1333 01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:33,800 Yeah. I was wondering if Caleb Johnson 1334 01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:37,160 was going to fall all the way to Ray at 13. 1335 01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:39,480 Talk to us about Caleb Johnson and then we'll let Ray gush 1336 01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:42,920 about him a little bit as well. Yeah, obviously super 1337 01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:45,240 productive. A little bit disappointing that 1338 01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:51,120 he was, you know, 45740, but as Ray said, that's not bad at 224 1339 01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:54,040 or whatever he weighed in. And I think that that plays fine 1340 01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:59,680 at the NFL level. Yeah, he's young, he's 1341 01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:04,120 productive, he's what I like. I wish probably he caught more 1342 01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:09,400 passes, but I think we've seen a lot of a lot of backs be able to 1343 01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:11,920 not really add that. But they don't show it in 1344 01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:14,280 college necessarily. And then it turns out they're 1345 01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:16,800 actually pretty good at it. So it's not something that I 1346 01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:21,240 think is disqualifying. Ray, you, I think you inferred 1347 01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:23,560 you have Caleb as your RB3 in this class. 1348 01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:24,800 Yeah, I do. Yeah, I do. 1349 01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:27,319 I do. I know a lot of people will talk 1350 01:08:27,319 --> 01:08:30,600 about Iowa's offensive line and all this other stuff that to me, 1351 01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:35,840 this is the, the biggest piece of missing context with data in 1352 01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:41,160 college is there's 134 teams that they're, they're all so 1353 01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:44,640 incredibly different in how they deploy schemes, what they do 1354 01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:46,800 with these players, how they use them. 1355 01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:50,040 You just, you kind of got to just trust what you're hearing 1356 01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:52,960 from the NFL draft community, what the scouts are saying. 1357 01:08:53,399 --> 01:08:55,560 And then just like, he's a big ass running back, dude. 1358 01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:57,760 He's a big hammer of a running back. 1359 01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:00,319 I always talk about the difference between running backs 1360 01:09:00,319 --> 01:09:02,640 that can be deployed as pass catching weapons and those that 1361 01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:04,439 could just catch the ball. He's not a weapon. 1362 01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:06,920 Like he's not Christian McCaffrey, that that was never 1363 01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:08,960 part of his game. He can catch the ball, but he's 1364 01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:10,319 not going to be deployed as a weapon. 1365 01:09:10,319 --> 01:09:13,279 I just think that a player like that, he's going to serve a 1366 01:09:13,279 --> 01:09:14,920 purpose. You might not have liked Brian 1367 01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:17,640 Robinson, but you know exactly what you have. 1368 01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:20,920 When the Commanders drafted him, what role he was going to assume 1369 01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:23,319 he's a usable body at a running back position. 1370 01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:27,080 He's young, he's he's got speed, he's explosive, he's fast 1371 01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:29,359 enough. He's checked the bare minimum 1372 01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:32,160 thresholds and requirements for a player of his size. 1373 01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:34,279 And I think at the end of the day, he's going to be a day two 1374 01:09:34,279 --> 01:09:35,840 pick. And if you're a day 2 running 1375 01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:38,200 back and you're going to get some opportunity, then I'm fine 1376 01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:40,600 with with taking the shot. I think he's a good player. 1377 01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:46,040 Pat on the clock the the last pick of round 12, assuming this 1378 01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:48,000 is AA12. Person draft here. 1379 01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:54,680 Yeah, this is like this isn't the most fun spot to be. 1380 01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:57,960 You kind of feel like you're looking at, you know, maybe like 1381 01:09:57,960 --> 01:09:59,560 you want to trade back a little sort of flat. 1382 01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:00,960 But I'll, I'll go shoot door at this. 1383 01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:02,320 Point I'll I'll trade up with you. 1384 01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:05,280 Damn it, Pat. Damn you, Pat. 1385 01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:09,360 Right race Snipe twice. It's all, it's all the 1386 01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:12,920 quarterback arguments that we made for Cam Ward, but you're 1387 01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:15,560 getting him at the 1:12 instead. Of the one O 3. 1388 01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:17,640 Thank you. Why is there a gap? 1389 01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:21,960 Why, if, if, if we're going to spew all this draft capital and 1390 01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:24,280 we're we're talking about a player right now who's projected 1391 01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:29,640 to go #2 potentially right after Cam Ward, three at the worst. 1392 01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:33,480 But I don't want them get give me the goddamn tight end Colston 1393 01:10:33,480 --> 01:10:35,360 Loveland over Shadour. Hey, come on. 1394 01:10:36,440 --> 01:10:38,920 Come on away. That's too far, right? 1395 01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:42,440 When you come for Loveland, that's where we draw the. 1396 01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:44,960 Line. Sorry, sorry, sorry. 1397 01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:46,280 But you? Why? 1398 01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:49,840 Why? I think it's it's because the 1399 01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:53,160 perception is even when you're right or when you hit on Sanders 1400 01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:56,680 and he's good, that the fantasy impact isn't that big. 1401 01:10:57,680 --> 01:10:59,240 I think that's the that's the counter. 1402 01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:04,040 You know, in a in a dime. Throwing a Calvin Ridley, I got 1403 01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:04,960 Malik. Neighbors. 1404 01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:08,840 I got neighbors. Andrew, I was in a draft, a 1405 01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:10,400 rookie draft. It was pre draft. 1406 01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:14,640 This is the the Trey Lance Justin Fields year and I believe 1407 01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:18,280 it was Scott Barrett took Mac Jones at like the 112 and I was 1408 01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:21,600 like trying to trade for the pick to get Mac Jones and like 1409 01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:24,720 that was a good pick. You know, like Mac Jones didn't 1410 01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:28,360 long term work out, but he had that promising rookie season. 1411 01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:31,400 People were excited about. You know, we're drafting him in 1412 01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:32,840 best ball and stuff the year after. 1413 01:11:33,440 --> 01:11:37,040 I think even if Shaddor's like a straight up bust, we're probably 1414 01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:41,040 optimistic about his outlook in 2026. 1415 01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:44,960 In the summer of 2026, we have hope for Shaddor Sanders and and 1416 01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:47,320 a lot of a lot of outcomes. Not every, you know, he could 1417 01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:49,200 have the Bryson rookie year or the Zach Wilson rookie year. 1418 01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:53,120 But yeah, I think he's probably going to show some promise. 1419 01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:57,600 All right, Ray, you're finally back after your long absence. 1420 01:11:58,160 --> 01:12:01,800 The chat is incensed that a certain wide receiver is still 1421 01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:03,680 on the board. I will not lead the witness, 1422 01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:05,040 though. You are on the clock here. 1423 01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:07,920 Picks 13 and 14. I know they're just tearing 1424 01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:12,400 y'all apart for not taking Matthew Golden in round one and 1425 01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:14,520 I'm going to disappoint him because I'm not taking his ass 1426 01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:18,160 here either. Out of Ohio State. 1427 01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:20,720 Give me double EI want him Kik buka. 1428 01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:22,640 He's talented. He's a good receiver. 1429 01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:25,280 I I I I'm just being realistic here. 1430 01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:28,840 I do not believe he's a top 12 wide receiver in fantasy 1431 01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:31,200 football. I think he's a good number two, 1432 01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:33,080 number three option. But you know what? 1433 01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:36,280 I play the community sentiment. People like him, people like 1434 01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:37,920 Ohio State receivers, people like him. 1435 01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:41,840 Mecca, I'm taking Ibuka here, but I'm not going to disappoint 1436 01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:43,800 the crowd anymore. I just did that to Pander 1437 01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:45,480 because I know I had two back-to-back pitch. 1438 01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:49,440 Matthew Golden absolutely should be off of the board right here. 1439 01:12:49,440 --> 01:12:51,040 I'll take him. He's projected to be a first 1440 01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:54,360 round wide receiver, speed downfield threat. 1441 01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:57,680 And I'll just say, even through the disappointment of Jameson 1442 01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:00,920 Williams earlier part of his career, the moment he did get 1443 01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:03,560 loose down the field and start to do a little bit of something, 1444 01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:07,520 people got excited. Hell, even this season with 1445 01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:11,160 Quentin Johnston, when it looked like, oh, shit, he might be a 1446 01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:14,040 little bit OK. If you had something there. 1447 01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:15,760 I think Golden is a little better than them. 1448 01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:18,840 And I'm just going to say this, the context around college 1449 01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:21,920 football, No team understand what I'm about to say. 1450 01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:27,480 No team in college football in 2024 threw more screen passes 1451 01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:31,040 than the University of Texas. None, not one. 1452 01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:35,560 Quinn Ewers awful. Jalen Mill, Rowan Co folks, 1453 01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:37,160 completion percentage over expected. 1454 01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:40,480 Quinn Ewers worse than even Riley Leonard and Will Howard 1455 01:13:40,480 --> 01:13:43,240 themselves. Just a little context as to what 1456 01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:46,720 was going on in that UT offense. It was dreadful. 1457 01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:52,200 All right, I yeah. And obviously if I think the 1458 01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:55,880 thing that's fascinating about Golden, right, is it if he goes 1459 01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:59,000 to the Cowboys, he's going to go higher than this, probably in 1460 01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:01,320 drafts, like with that kind of draft capital. 1461 01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:04,280 But all the reports are like everywhere else. 1462 01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:06,520 And you look at the betting markets too, like they all have 1463 01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:08,760 him like outside the top 20 because they're still saying the 1464 01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:11,760 most likely thing is the Cowboys don't take him and he falls in 1465 01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:14,440 the draft. And guys like EE, like Luther 1466 01:14:14,440 --> 01:14:17,360 Burden could perhaps sneak ahead of him in those scenarios, in 1467 01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:21,400 which case this ADP or where he went in this draft represents 1468 01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:23,960 that range of outcomes pretty nicely because it's probably 1469 01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:26,600 going to be lower than this or higher than this. 1470 01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:28,760 And this kind of middles it pre draft. 1471 01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:34,080 I also think that like in a lot of other classes, one, because 1472 01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:36,240 there would be more wide receivers and golden just like 1473 01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:38,480 wouldn't go in the first round like he he's only going in the 1474 01:14:38,480 --> 01:14:41,960 real life NFL first round because there's it's not a good 1475 01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:45,160 wide receiver class. So he's getting pulled up. 1476 01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:47,680 I think pretty much everyone would agree, right? 1477 01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:53,240 And then you're also looking at a fantasy class that there's 1478 01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:56,040 maybe it'll feel deeper after the draft and we get landing 1479 01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:57,960 spots and we're super excited about some running backs we 1480 01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:00,680 haven't even taken yet. But as of right now, it doesn't 1481 01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:04,240 feel all that deep. We don't have a great 1482 01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:10,000 quarterback class for superflex. And so like Golden, I just he's 1483 01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:12,880 a type of prospect that you're would often be finding in the 1484 01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:15,920 second round of I mean, when do where do we take lad Mcconkey 1485 01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:18,880 last year taking him in the second round right he. 1486 01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:24,480 Was he was like the one 11112? He's he's not as good a prospect 1487 01:15:24,480 --> 01:15:26,760 as Mcconkey. You know, I, I don't know, I 1488 01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:30,200 think we're kind of any uproar that Golden still on the board 1489 01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:33,000 is, is very we're very kind of trapped in the moment. 1490 01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:36,000 No, he's he's the worst prospect than Mcconkey, I think. 1491 01:15:37,480 --> 01:15:39,360 All right, Davis, you're on the clock here. 1492 01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:42,440 Pick 15 chat talking about a big tear break here. 1493 01:15:42,440 --> 01:15:46,080 It it does start to feel just completely wide open at this 1494 01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:48,320 point. Yeah, I'm a little tilted. 1495 01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:51,000 I was hoping to get to take Matthew Golden and and 1496 01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:54,560 capitalize on that. I'm gonna select Harold Fannon 1497 01:15:54,680 --> 01:15:59,440 Junior. 53% Dominar rating from Harold Fannon Junior. 1498 01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:04,000 You wanna talk about he probably is gonna be a third round pick. 1499 01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:06,400 He's gonna they're gonna be running backs to go ahead of him 1500 01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:10,880 in the NFL draft that go after him here. 1501 01:16:11,440 --> 01:16:14,360 But if Harold Fannon Junior hits, I'll say this, the NFL 1502 01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:18,800 team that takes him, assuming it's not the Atlanta Falcons, 1503 01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:23,320 which would be hilarious. He is going to come in in a role 1504 01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:25,640 where he's used as a fantasy friendly player. 1505 01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:29,880 Like no one watched his his fucking blocking drill and was 1506 01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:31,400 like, you know what that guy could do? 1507 01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:35,240 He could be the lead. He's going to have like a 68% 1508 01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:38,800 route share as a rookie. And if he does well on that, it 1509 01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:40,400 can grow. I'm not saying Harold Fanning 1510 01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:43,680 Junior's like the Super smooth 10 Ras guy. 1511 01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:48,960 He's a he's a, he's a football player, man. 53% dominator 1512 01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:55,280 rating brother, 53% That's it's just, it's, it's insane stuff, 1513 01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:57,440 man. I feel like, I feel like I'm 1514 01:16:57,440 --> 01:17:00,200 kind of getting psyopped by the dynasty community that we don't 1515 01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:03,520 like this dude who like breaks tight end production metrics. 1516 01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:08,120 Did you guys read the the Bob McGinn piece on him where he 1517 01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:10,680 talks to the? Scouts I I didn't I didn't read 1518 01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:13,520 Bob Mcginn's sub stack article where he talked to scouts. 1519 01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:18,840 Well, the scouts weren't very happy with with Harold Fannon. 1520 01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:23,280 They are talking about how he he's duck footed. 1521 01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:27,160 You know, he's he's like he's kind of undersized. 1522 01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:31,440 But then they'd be like, but you know, he like super productive 1523 01:17:31,440 --> 01:17:34,160 and he's figured out a way to to overcome all of those weaknesses 1524 01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:36,200 I mentioned and just is really good at football. 1525 01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:38,520 But yeah, I don't know. I just don't really. 1526 01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:41,400 Like that's the thing, some team is going to be like this dude is 1527 01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:43,800 just good at the game. It doesn't look good. 1528 01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:45,480 Let me tell you. Watch her old fan of junior 1529 01:17:45,480 --> 01:17:46,680 film. You're going to be like Jesus 1530 01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:49,480 Christ, How did that? Happen yeah that's that's how it 1531 01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:54,360 is look pretty I think it looks awesome I I I'm a fan I love. 1532 01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:57,000 His knees slap together when he runs. 1533 01:17:57,000 --> 01:18:02,480 Dude, I think it's great. All right, I'm going to go. 1534 01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:06,400 I'm going to let you guys sort out this like big running back 1535 01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:08,280 mess now and let you guys get your favorites. 1536 01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:11,080 I'm just going to take Jane Higgins, who I think is the next 1537 01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:14,080 best available wide receiver here. 1538 01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:18,440 Seems like he's a lock for second round draft capital. 1539 01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:23,200 I will let someone else go in a little deeper on him but feels 1540 01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:25,760 about the right price for a guy like Jane Higgins here. 1541 01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:28,840 That's who I was going to take if I didn't take fan in. 1542 01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:32,400 That's a good pick. Ron, any thoughts on Jaden 1543 01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:35,120 Higgins? Not really. 1544 01:18:36,480 --> 01:18:38,520 Oh wow, you say, if I can't say anything nice. 1545 01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:40,640 Yeah, not a single one. Not a single thought. 1546 01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:44,320 Ron. Ron likes the other Iowa State 1547 01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:46,120 guy like me better. I already know it. 1548 01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:48,040 Come on, Ron. Come on, Ron. 1549 01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:49,680 I don't know. Higgins is OK. 1550 01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:52,760 He's like, I don't know, I've seen this guy a billion times. 1551 01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:55,520 Like he's somewhere between Nico Collins and Miles Boykin. 1552 01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:59,680 So he has that going for him. I don't know. 1553 01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:01,560 I like he's solid. There's just a, there's just a 1554 01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:03,520 lot of other guys on the board. I I probably liked here, I 1555 01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:04,960 think. Yeah. 1556 01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:08,720 All right, Blair, you're on the clock with 17. 1557 01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:11,560 Pick 17 here. All right, I'm gonna go with 1558 01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:14,720 what seems to be a chat favorite scataboo here, OK? 1559 01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:17,360 Yeah, really played in the slappies. 1560 01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:19,640 Get your get your Internet points Blair with. 1561 01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:22,000 That's right, that's right. I gotta get gotta get those 1562 01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:25,160 points. No, I don't know, actually, 1563 01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:28,720 Scataboo doesn't. He's one of these older guys who 1564 01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:31,760 normally I'm avoiding, but when you look at what he's doing on 1565 01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:36,520 the field, it's just hard to. Anybody concerned you're not 1566 01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:39,360 going to get any of that testing from that scataboo, he ain't 1567 01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:43,320 doing shit jumped. 40 jumped Credit for those jumps. 1568 01:19:43,440 --> 01:19:45,960 He got that vert, but he didn't do No 40. 1569 01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:48,160 He didn't. Do he'll never do a 40. 1570 01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:52,560 Ray, have you considered he might just hop over the 1571 01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:54,760 defensive line and not even have to run? 1572 01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:57,640 He could teleport, he could do it all. 1573 01:19:57,640 --> 01:20:01,040 I just. Well, I there was a report he 1574 01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:03,440 was going to do the 40, but then it turned out his trainer was 1575 01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:07,080 the same trainer that Xavier Restrepo used, so he opted not 1576 01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:09,520 so. Faster Xavier Xavier Restrepo 1577 01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:13,000 with a pulled hamstring or Cam scataboo, fully healthy in the 1578 01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:13,920 best shape of his. Life. 1579 01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:15,880 You don't want to know, you don't want to know, and you'll 1580 01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:18,360 never know because Cam is not going to let you know. 1581 01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:26,360 All right, Ron, you are on the clock here for back-to-back 1582 01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:28,480 picks. I'm gonna, I'm gonna do a call 1583 01:20:28,480 --> 01:20:31,200 back to what I did last year. I took in the second round. 1584 01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:33,600 I took Michael Pennix. I took Bonex this year. 1585 01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:36,040 Give me Jackson Dart. Give me Jalen Millro. 1586 01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:37,800 Wow. One of these guys are gonna get 1587 01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:40,880 drafted highly. I actually like Jalen Millro 1588 01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:42,720 more than Dart. I think the NFL disagrees with 1589 01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:46,080 me there. Jalen Millro looks a lot now. 1590 01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:48,680 He could very easily suck. He could be Malik Willis, but he 1591 01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:51,320 could definitely be, you know, Jalen Hurts is in his range so 1592 01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:53,360 much. More dog than Malik Willis? 1593 01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:58,080 He he's really fun. You know, I like to say that I, 1594 01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:01,240 I don't really watch filmaton, but Georgia versus Alabama was 1595 01:21:01,240 --> 01:21:03,000 amazing. Like watching that game live, he 1596 01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:06,800 just destroyed that defense. And he'll at least be somebody 1597 01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:10,040 that kind of burns bright, scores a lot of fantasy points. 1598 01:21:10,040 --> 01:21:11,400 And maybe he's not a long term starter. 1599 01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:14,440 Like there was a a split second where Justin Fields was a 12 1600 01:21:14,440 --> 01:21:15,960 turn pick. There was a split second maybe 1601 01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:18,520 we thought Jalen Hurts wouldn't be the the long term answer for 1602 01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:20,800 the Eagles. Maybe there's a spot there for 1603 01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:24,440 Jalen Millroy where he's a guy, he's scoring a lot of fantasy 1604 01:21:24,440 --> 01:21:25,640 points. You can offload him. 1605 01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:29,400 So yeah, I, I like Millroy. I would have taken him as high 1606 01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:33,080 as like early 2nd, like probably right where Fannin is. 1607 01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:36,200 What I've learned Ron is here to be slappy in. 1608 01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:40,200 Dynasty I am a QB Slappy I am. I thought you were the Jackson 1609 01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:42,600 dark Guy, Davis the fan and pick I thought would be dark. 1610 01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:49,000 So I think the thing was I was a huge dark guy like 3 weeks ago 1611 01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:53,840 before Geno Smith got traded for a third round pick to nuke one 1612 01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:57,640 of the most likely landing spots but then also kind of nuke the 1613 01:21:57,640 --> 01:22:01,960 Seahawks landing spot because they signed a 27 year old 1614 01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:04,280 instead of having a 35 year old as their quarterback. 1615 01:22:04,480 --> 01:22:06,920 Now I know the Darnell contract they can get out of it and it 1616 01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:11,560 can be a bridge, but it made it. Took one landing spot off the 1617 01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:14,240 board entirely and then made the other landing spotless. 1618 01:22:14,240 --> 01:22:16,520 Fantasy friendly. They're also probably going to 1619 01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:18,960 fire everybody, so Dart's going to have to learn a new playbook 1620 01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:22,400 after they draft him this year. Exactly, Davis is just 1621 01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:24,880 sandbagging. He's hoping Ron doesn't double 1622 01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:27,160 tack quarterback here because Davis wants to run to the 1623 01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:29,000 podium. Give me Jackson Dart. 1624 01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:34,440 Give me Jackson Dart. I know Davis Maddock. 1625 01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:38,000 I know Davis has spent a lot of time on on those sub stacks. 1626 01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:40,440 You know Bob McGinn. I don't know if you've seen. 1627 01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:46,200 Charles Davis's quarterbacks go 123 Mock draft on NFL.com But. 1628 01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:48,560 It acts. Like third overall. 1629 01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:51,920 Hosted odd sub stack they on their website over there. 1630 01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:55,080 Give me the quarterback who could get drafted in the first 1631 01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:56,720 round. It might not be pretty, but I 1632 01:22:56,720 --> 01:22:58,080 don't know. Penex got drafted to the spot 1633 01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:00,920 with Kirk Cousins and he seems to hold value pretty damn well. 1634 01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:03,560 I mean, he's, I mean, I'm not going to promote a dynasty sell 1635 01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:05,080 on here, but he played what, like three games? 1636 01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:07,640 And he's like a, he's like a fourth round startup pick Now. 1637 01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:11,120 If Dart just shows you something at the end of the year, he now 1638 01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:14,240 carries into the offseason really good value. 1639 01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:17,080 Yeah, that's the comp and it's a, it's a pretty good one. 1640 01:23:17,480 --> 01:23:21,200 I like it. All right, Davis, you are on the 1641 01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:22,120 clock here. Pick 20. 1642 01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:25,800 All right, I don't know which one I want to take out of Harvey 1643 01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:31,560 Giddens or Bashel Tooten or Jalen Knoll, but I'm going to go 1644 01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:34,720 just for posterity, just like I I will win the Travis Hunter 1645 01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:36,200 Wars when we look at this last year. 1646 01:23:36,480 --> 01:23:40,240 Give me Bashel Tooten, Virginia Tech. 1647 01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:44,760 He just like, dude, he ran a 4.32 at 210 lbs. 1648 01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:48,520 He did a chain's combine at 2:10 just like yeah, he fumble 9 1649 01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:51,480 times as two years of Virginia Tech as he stepped up in 1650 01:23:51,480 --> 01:23:54,520 competition from North Carolina, AT&T or whatever. 1651 01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:57,920 A. And TAT and. 1652 01:23:59,320 --> 01:24:03,440 T AT&T, that's pretty funny. North Carolina T. 1653 01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:07,080 You could, you could, you could make an argument for Gidns, you 1654 01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:08,720 could make an argument for Harvey, you could make an 1655 01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:10,760 argument for Devin Neil. You could make an argument for 1656 01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:14,400 any of these guys. But I'm going with with Tootin, 1657 01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:19,480 who also is better past 0 drops his two years of Virginia Tech. 1658 01:24:19,480 --> 01:24:23,040 Like like actually like Neil and Gidns get a lot of the passing 1659 01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:25,680 game stuff and Laquint Allen, obviously, but I I think Tootin 1660 01:24:25,680 --> 01:24:27,160 can do it. He just played with Kyron 1661 01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:31,720 Drones, who I think they they had something like 184 completed 1662 01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:37,040 passes last year as a team. So yeah, I'm going to slap it up 1663 01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:40,400 with Tuten. Yeah, I think I was going to do 1664 01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:43,000 that if you didn't. I'm going to select DJ Giddens 1665 01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:47,560 here at 21. Looks like top 100 draft 1666 01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:50,880 capital, which would be solid. Can catch some passes. 1667 01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:55,800 Really explosive. I'm going to go with DJ Giddens 1668 01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:59,880 at 21. Pat, you are on the clock at 22. 1669 01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:07,880 Yeah, this is it's you get to a point here where we're hunting 1670 01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:11,400 for the guy who's going to get drafted like one O 8 and we're 1671 01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:13,600 all going to be like, whoa, what are we doing? 1672 01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:16,960 We've lost our minds. And that's so much more likely 1673 01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:19,400 to happen at running back than the other positions. 1674 01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:26,560 I'll take Dylan Sampson. I think he's live to go Round 2 1675 01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:30,360 and unlikely to fall past like early round four. 1676 01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:33,480 He seems like fairly locked in. He's probably a third round 1677 01:25:33,480 --> 01:25:38,080 pick. Yep, Yeah, let's let's wrap up 1678 01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:40,960 the draft and then maybe we can get some like round table real 1679 01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:43,720 quick thoughts on this kind of deep running back tier. 1680 01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:51,160 Blair pick 23 here. I'll go Jalen Noel here, OK. 1681 01:25:51,440 --> 01:25:58,800 So we'll get a a wide receiver in here for Blair and Pat, who 1682 01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:09,200 you got rounding this out. Man, it's just a deep group of 1683 01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:10,960 running backs. I'll I'll go. 1684 01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:13,200 Devin Neil is the home run swing. 1685 01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:15,800 Just hope someone give this guy an opportunity. 1686 01:26:16,440 --> 01:26:19,600 I really like Devin Neil. I just I worry, I worry I just 1687 01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:24,720 took like a fifth round pick who when you look at Neil, like he 1688 01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:26,960 he's not like exceptional on a per touch basis. 1689 01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:29,520 He's not like like if you look at like RJ Harvey, who was 1690 01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:32,760 another the other guy strongly considered he's going to be 1691 01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:35,640 awesome anytime he gets the ball, but he's a smaller back. 1692 01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:37,280 Does he ever get like a huge opportunity? 1693 01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:40,600 Neil looks really good at like if you look at like per game 1694 01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:43,000 stuff. But does he have the draft 1695 01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:44,920 capital where he never really has a team believe in him? 1696 01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:49,720 But I'll take a kind of a swing that he goes, let's say late 1697 01:26:49,720 --> 01:26:52,800 round 3, early round four and installed as a starter in that 1698 01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:55,320 kind of Damien Pierce style situation. 1699 01:26:56,880 --> 01:27:01,680 Ray, any thoughts on kind of this, this deep tier of running 1700 01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:04,600 backs, any of that kind of stand above the rest for you? 1701 01:27:05,800 --> 01:27:09,200 I mean, I could get into personal preference, you know, 1702 01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:12,880 Damien Martinez, Prashard Smith, I think the bigger overall take 1703 01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:18,000 away is there a lot of guys in this cluster from scataboo down, 1704 01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:22,600 I think there's a clear at least top five, top 6 for everybody in 1705 01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:26,160 some shape, form or order. But once you get to this range, 1706 01:27:26,160 --> 01:27:29,360 know your league, know your league, know that there there 1707 01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:32,920 are people out here who stand for frickin Burchard Smith and 1708 01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:35,640 Damian Martinez and a bunch of other names that we didn't even 1709 01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:38,800 mention. Even on Ollie Gordon. 1710 01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:42,000 The second like a year ago, this was the RB 1. 1711 01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:46,480 So depending on some of the landing spots, I just y'all, 1712 01:27:46,480 --> 01:27:49,280 we're going to get to day three of the draft and you're going to 1713 01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:52,480 see these teams that just like we did with Dallas last year, 1714 01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:55,760 everybody thought Dallas was 1000% taken aback. 1715 01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:58,240 They didn't even touch it. You're going to get a Pittsburgh 1716 01:27:58,240 --> 01:28:02,800 an Lac that takes somebody like a Damian Martinez the top of day 1717 01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:05,760 three and round four and you're telling me that that guy's not 1718 01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:09,360 going to have as good of an opportunity as maybe a a Judkins 1719 01:28:09,360 --> 01:28:12,760 that's jammed in some committee. I just once we get to draft 1720 01:28:12,760 --> 01:28:16,320 night, the depth of this class in the lack of those guys 1721 01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:20,040 currently in the NFL is going to create a perfect storm of just 1722 01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:24,320 running back situations. Plant your flag on your guy. 1723 01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:27,640 Because I who the hell am I to say that Devin Neil isn't any 1724 01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:30,920 better than than Giddens or versus Smith when they're all 1725 01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:34,880 drafted probably within thirty 4050 picks of one another come 1726 01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:36,520 draft night. It's it's going to be really, 1727 01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:38,920 really fun. This is a good spot to have 1728 01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:42,600 rookie picks like this range and going and like for the next few 1729 01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:46,240 picks like before this. It's felt flat in a bad way of 1730 01:28:46,240 --> 01:28:49,600 like, you know, I'd rather just have like a few picks later 1731 01:28:50,120 --> 01:28:51,840 this. I think you could like live in 1732 01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:55,040 kind of that early third round range and you know, they've had 1733 01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:56,680 like 4 picks in there. I would love that. 1734 01:28:58,080 --> 01:29:02,560 Yeah, Looking at this like the tear break after 8 and then this 1735 01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:05,840 tear break after like the quarterbacks of just man if. 1736 01:29:06,200 --> 01:29:09,320 But again as we've been saying, like a couple of these guys that 1737 01:29:09,320 --> 01:29:12,960 were taken here are going to be like back into round one picks 1738 01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:14,720 or early round two. Like the guy Pat was saying, 1739 01:29:14,720 --> 01:29:18,360 like someone of these guys if not 2 will nail a landing spot 1740 01:29:18,360 --> 01:29:19,720 that people will get very excited. 1741 01:29:20,200 --> 01:29:23,880 I think Scataboo's live to go significantly earlier than this 1742 01:29:23,880 --> 01:29:27,200 in rookie drafts if he goes second round, because there you 1743 01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:30,960 see him like if you look around, you know, projected draft 1744 01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:34,320 capital and stuff, he will be, you know, in the 60s for some 1745 01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:36,240 people. So if he were to go like late 1746 01:29:36,240 --> 01:29:39,640 second round as a starter somewhere, I know he's not fast. 1747 01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:43,720 He's really not fast, but he's a pass catcher, He's a pass 1748 01:29:43,720 --> 01:29:45,360 catching running back and he's big. 1749 01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:49,200 So it's like if he has the short yardage work kind of assigned to 1750 01:29:49,200 --> 01:29:51,800 him out of the gate and he's on a team that's going to throw to 1751 01:29:51,800 --> 01:29:54,040 him and he's got second round draft capital, so he's going to 1752 01:29:54,040 --> 01:29:55,960 be like the 1A at worst probably. 1753 01:29:57,200 --> 01:30:01,520 I mean, why aren't we taking him over Colston Loveland? 1754 01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:03,160 I mean, give me a break. Colston, Loveland. 1755 01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:07,040 Fucking Davis Matic ass pick. Oh no, you took it. 1756 01:30:07,240 --> 01:30:11,360 You took it, Ron. Any other thoughts, preferences 1757 01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:14,520 on on these running backs? I would just say Ray makes a 1758 01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:17,160 good point of like not falling in love with the late running 1759 01:30:17,160 --> 01:30:18,720 backs. I remember last year I liked 1760 01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:21,520 Isaiah Davis a lot and then the judge grabbed Braylon Allen and 1761 01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:23,760 then also Isaiah Davis. There's a chance that one of 1762 01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:26,480 these running backs you like, they both get drafted as second 1763 01:30:26,480 --> 01:30:29,880 and third string guys. And, you know, I think back to 1764 01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:32,640 Izzy having a Conda and you know, they're just, they're, 1765 01:30:33,280 --> 01:30:35,560 these guys are all just names, man, Like that. 1766 01:30:35,800 --> 01:30:39,320 Half of them you know. 80% of them will be trivia answers in 1767 01:30:39,320 --> 01:30:41,880 in two years. But to me, that means spread it 1768 01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:43,960 out. Like spread out your bets don't. 1769 01:30:44,360 --> 01:30:46,480 Yeah, because there's going to be some hits in this group, I 1770 01:30:46,480 --> 01:30:48,960 think. Yeah, Blair, get us, get us 1771 01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:52,960 hyped on Jalen Knoll real quick. You're essentially saying here, 1772 01:30:52,960 --> 01:30:55,400 don't throw a dart on one of these running backs. 1773 01:30:55,400 --> 01:30:57,720 You have to stick to your roots with the wide receiver here. 1774 01:30:58,760 --> 01:31:01,000 Oh yeah, definitely you got to go wide receiver. 1775 01:31:01,320 --> 01:31:05,640 Noel had a really surprisingly good combine. 1776 01:31:05,800 --> 01:31:08,120 I don't know. Is he better than Jayden 1777 01:31:08,120 --> 01:31:12,120 Higgins? Hard to say, but I like both 1778 01:31:12,120 --> 01:31:14,680 those guys. I mean, I actually do think that 1779 01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:18,280 there is a running back in this range that kind of separates 1780 01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:21,080 himself and that's Tootin, who probably should be going, I 1781 01:31:21,080 --> 01:31:23,360 don't know, like 6 picks earlier than where he went. 1782 01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:26,520 He's obviously the fastest guy at the combine. 1783 01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:29,880 He's also the class leader in backfield dominator rating. 1784 01:31:30,560 --> 01:31:32,720 He's he's. One of your favorites. 1785 01:31:33,040 --> 01:31:36,440 I do just want to point out you did have a pick 4 picks. 1786 01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:40,520 Earlier. And you took another running 1787 01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:44,840 back that wasn't too. Well, yeah, that'll be a little 1788 01:31:44,840 --> 01:31:48,840 unpredictable. I mean, to be fair, by the time 1789 01:31:48,840 --> 01:31:52,320 Cam Scataboo finished his 40, if he did a foot race versus 1790 01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:55,400 Tootin, Tootin would be able to go get him a towel and a water 1791 01:31:56,480 --> 01:31:59,560 to help cool him down. By the time Cam was done with 1792 01:31:59,640 --> 01:32:01,080 his 40, you could meet him at the finish line. 1793 01:32:01,080 --> 01:32:03,240 Yeah. All right for for our audio 1794 01:32:03,240 --> 01:32:05,480 listeners here. Can I ask one more thing? 1795 01:32:05,640 --> 01:32:07,760 Yeah, do it. Trey Harris didn't come up. 1796 01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:13,280 And, you know, at one point early on, I think he would have 1797 01:32:13,280 --> 01:32:16,200 been taking over Golden for sure. 1798 01:32:16,200 --> 01:32:19,280 You know, Golden kind of had the the his rise has been related to 1799 01:32:19,280 --> 01:32:22,960 the kind of the scouting community's enthusiasm for him. 1800 01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:25,960 Harris seems to be falling like in concert with that, Higgins is 1801 01:32:25,960 --> 01:32:29,120 kind of taking over the big wide receiver second round draft 1802 01:32:29,120 --> 01:32:32,760 capital molds from from Harris. You guys like where you at on 1803 01:32:32,760 --> 01:32:38,000 Harris now? Scared to run the 40 if you're 1804 01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:42,080 scared to run the 40 as a big wide receiver and you are so 1805 01:32:42,080 --> 01:32:44,360 like, I understand why Tet would not want to run a 40. 1806 01:32:44,360 --> 01:32:46,360 I understand why Marvin Harrison junior didn't want to run the 1807 01:32:46,360 --> 01:32:48,240 40. But if you're Trey Harris and 1808 01:32:48,240 --> 01:32:50,320 you're like definitely not going to be a first round pick and 1809 01:32:50,320 --> 01:32:53,880 you're kind of in that, he's in the Leggett zone where he could 1810 01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:56,600 be like the 34th pick or whatever, but you don't run the 1811 01:32:56,600 --> 01:33:00,240 40 to try and give yourself a chance to really solidify that. 1812 01:33:01,920 --> 01:33:03,840 I don't love that. And he looks slow. 1813 01:33:03,880 --> 01:33:05,520 You watch him. He's look, Trey did. 1814 01:33:05,520 --> 01:33:11,040 Trey did run to 40 Davis, Trey ran it at the you wanted him to 1815 01:33:11,040 --> 01:33:12,520 read. Why would he read? 1816 01:33:12,760 --> 01:33:15,600 He ran a he was going to run slower at the pro day. 1817 01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:17,600 He hit a four or five at the combine right. 1818 01:33:17,840 --> 01:33:19,480 He hit me up. I missed this. 1819 01:33:19,800 --> 01:33:21,040 No, you're good. You're good. 1820 01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:22,760 He ran. He ran 1/4. 1821 01:33:22,760 --> 01:33:24,760 Metal Locker. And I'm not even high. 1822 01:33:24,760 --> 01:33:26,400 I'm not. Even have the excuse. 1823 01:33:26,400 --> 01:33:29,480 I'm not even listen. Davis No one I'm taking. 1824 01:33:29,760 --> 01:33:33,080 I'm making the case for damn. Josh Allen 01 Nobody is gone. 1825 01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:37,920 Come on man. In my sheet I don't have a time 1826 01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:39,840 for him. So that means ChatGPT messed 1827 01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:42,640 something up, yeah? For the first time up comes back 1828 01:33:42,640 --> 01:33:51,760 and throw it AI under the bus. Oh man, Ray, let people know if 1829 01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:56,360 they want to to get more superflex content. 1830 01:33:56,360 --> 01:33:59,320 You said you're going to have your entire 300 ranks. 1831 01:34:01,800 --> 01:34:03,600 Pete, real quick, I just want to say this. 1832 01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:07,440 I love, love, love the Mill Rd. darts selections. 1833 01:34:07,440 --> 01:34:10,400 I, I, I, I just Q BS and dynasty. 1834 01:34:10,600 --> 01:34:15,120 I just look at where we are, folks, where Sam Darnold has 1835 01:34:15,120 --> 01:34:20,240 value in dynasty today. Geno Smith has value. 1836 01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:23,920 I'm not saying you're getting first for him, but I mean, shit, 1837 01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:27,320 just hang on at quarterback. I just love the the the risk, 1838 01:34:27,760 --> 01:34:31,040 the it's it's a lot of return right there for for low risk. 1839 01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:33,000 I love that Ron, it's still king. 1840 01:34:33,520 --> 01:34:37,320 Anybody that wants those Josh Allen superflex ranks, 'cause I 1841 01:34:37,320 --> 01:34:39,920 got I know, I know you tapped in to hear that. 1842 01:34:40,360 --> 01:34:43,240 Just get at me. Ray Garvin NFL draft on YouTube, 1843 01:34:43,240 --> 01:34:45,400 or you can follow me on X at Ray GQ. 1844 01:34:45,400 --> 01:34:47,680 Appreciate y'all having me on. It's been a blast chilling with 1845 01:34:47,680 --> 01:34:51,120 y'all man. Yes, definitely check it out. 1846 01:34:51,680 --> 01:34:56,480 Awesome stuff from Ray. Ron, you got glazed by Ray there 1847 01:34:56,480 --> 01:34:59,280 for your selections. You even had little themes to 1848 01:34:59,280 --> 01:35:02,520 your picture, like I'll do the two Ohio State running backs, 1849 01:35:02,520 --> 01:35:05,160 I'll do the two unheralded quarterbacks. 1850 01:35:05,360 --> 01:35:07,320 I mean, you really did it all here today, Ron. 1851 01:35:07,680 --> 01:35:09,400 Yeah, I said, I said it just like that too. 1852 01:35:09,400 --> 01:35:13,000 I did, you know, when I was when I was taking both of them. 1853 01:35:14,120 --> 01:35:18,480 But yeah, you know, quarterbacks rule everything in Dynasty. 1854 01:35:20,440 --> 01:35:22,760 We were talking through before the show who had the best draft 1855 01:35:22,760 --> 01:35:23,960 last year. No one wanted to say my name, 1856 01:35:23,960 --> 01:35:25,720 but you know, Bonex in the second round, Pennix in the 1857 01:35:25,720 --> 01:35:27,240 second round. I'm eating good over here. 1858 01:35:27,960 --> 01:35:31,440 But as we close out, I do appreciate you having me on. 1859 01:35:31,560 --> 01:35:34,480 It's it's sweet to be on here, you know, three times in a row. 1860 01:35:34,480 --> 01:35:36,080 We'll see if it's a fourth next year. 1861 01:35:36,760 --> 01:35:40,280 It's always a blast to come in, you know, hang out in the P 1862 01:35:40,280 --> 01:35:42,880 overs at Universe, ship chasing Universe over here. 1863 01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:45,360 But you can find me at Ron Stewart on YouTube. 1864 01:35:45,640 --> 01:35:47,960 That's where all my content's at, whether it's Dynasty, 1865 01:35:48,040 --> 01:35:51,480 redraft, all of that. You're really only useful to us, 1866 01:35:51,480 --> 01:35:53,960 Ron, for as long as The Jets are really bad. 1867 01:35:53,960 --> 01:35:55,040 That's. Kind of, yeah, which? 1868 01:35:55,120 --> 01:35:57,320 One is the show which we. Don't get around. 1869 01:35:57,600 --> 01:36:04,400 You ever, Blair, let the people know what you guys got going on 1870 01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:06,440 at Rotoviz. You guys got your draft guide? 1871 01:36:06,440 --> 01:36:09,440 All kinds of rookie content coming, I assume. 1872 01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:12,120 Yeah, that's right. Draft guide is out. 1873 01:36:12,120 --> 01:36:15,640 Volume 2 is out. We got a lot of Rikki content 1874 01:36:15,640 --> 01:36:17,560 coming. I mentioned the Backfield 1875 01:36:17,560 --> 01:36:19,800 Dominator ratings. That article dropped today. 1876 01:36:19,800 --> 01:36:23,800 I'll have more nice more on that coming up over the next few 1877 01:36:23,800 --> 01:36:27,080 weeks. And yeah, stay tuned, We got a 1878 01:36:27,080 --> 01:36:30,560 lot of cool stuff. Davis, what Dino stuff you got 1879 01:36:30,560 --> 01:36:32,040 coming for the people if they want more? 1880 01:36:32,800 --> 01:36:38,000 I've got a video with Ray's Boy coming out on Saturday morning 1881 01:36:38,080 --> 01:36:40,400 on my YouTube channel where we go over the three biggest 1882 01:36:40,400 --> 01:36:43,520 questions that you have to answer about this dynasty rookie 1883 01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:45,800 class as you prepare to spend the ammo. 1884 01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:48,920 Is the first one whether Trey Harris ran a 40 or not? 1885 01:36:50,280 --> 01:36:52,720 God I hope I didn't say in this video that he didn't. 1886 01:36:52,720 --> 01:36:54,000 I got a. Have to go. 1887 01:36:54,360 --> 01:36:57,120 Dave is reading that sub stack that that had that arm. 1888 01:36:57,800 --> 01:37:00,480 I am I, I do, I do. Shout out Bob. 1889 01:37:00,600 --> 01:37:03,360 I'll link you Davis. On wall sub stack, of course, 1890 01:37:03,640 --> 01:37:07,320 the great, the great Bob McGinn. Yeah, so, so be on the lookout 1891 01:37:07,320 --> 01:37:09,720 for that and I'll, I'm going to stream tomorrow morning too. 1892 01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:12,720 What about you, Pat? Leg up. 1893 01:37:13,440 --> 01:37:17,760 Yeah, Leg Up would recommend an article by Bob McGinn and also 1894 01:37:17,760 --> 01:37:22,680 an article by Matt Irby that just dropped on Leg Up today 1895 01:37:24,120 --> 01:37:26,920 looking at a potential touchdown, positive and negative 1896 01:37:27,000 --> 01:37:28,440 regression candidates at quarterback. 1897 01:37:28,440 --> 01:37:31,760 He's going to dive into some other regression analysis as 1898 01:37:31,760 --> 01:37:35,280 well. And what was I say? 1899 01:37:35,320 --> 01:37:38,760 Oh, I'm going to be on with JJ Zacharisa next week talking the 1900 01:37:38,760 --> 01:37:42,520 dynasty class on the leg up pod. I'm going to be podcasting 1901 01:37:42,520 --> 01:37:45,600 tomorrow with Rhoda Pat on. We're going to do a live stream 1902 01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:51,440 live draft tomorrow afternoon. Got got, you know, my my rookie 1903 01:37:51,440 --> 01:37:53,160 profiles rolling out on the site as well. 1904 01:37:53,440 --> 01:37:55,840 I did want to ask before we get out of here, I want to put this 1905 01:37:55,920 --> 01:37:58,760 quarterback love to the test. Quarterback rules the dynasty 1906 01:37:58,760 --> 01:38:01,160 landscape. Where you guys taking Tyler 1907 01:38:01,160 --> 01:38:03,640 Shuck then, huh? Tyler Shucks gonna go second 1908 01:38:03,640 --> 01:38:05,040 round. In the end of Enough, you're 1909 01:38:05,040 --> 01:38:07,800 making us part of the Tyler Shuck propaganda arm. 1910 01:38:07,800 --> 01:38:10,120 By I just heard quarterback was the only position we care. 1911 01:38:10,120 --> 01:38:13,480 About Let's ask Rod. Rod probably would have taken 1912 01:38:13,480 --> 01:38:16,040 him there with an extra second round pick. 1913 01:38:16,640 --> 01:38:18,000 I'm like, I have missed a rookie third. 1914 01:38:18,320 --> 01:38:20,200 It depends. Depends on how you get drafted. 1915 01:38:20,360 --> 01:38:22,000 If he gets drafted, capital, I'm there. 1916 01:38:23,080 --> 01:38:27,400 OK, alright, there you go. If you guys missed ADP chasing 1917 01:38:27,680 --> 01:38:29,240 earlier this week, definitely check it out. 1918 01:38:29,240 --> 01:38:32,280 Great conversation. I love having Jacob in the fold 1919 01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:37,680 on that show as well. For me, I'll plug tomorrow on 1920 01:38:37,680 --> 01:38:39,680 After Dark on my channel. I'm going to have Matthew 1921 01:38:39,680 --> 01:38:41,840 Friedman from Fantasy Life. He's been pretty deep in the 1922 01:38:41,840 --> 01:38:44,520 weeds with the mock draft and all the college stuff. 1923 01:38:44,520 --> 01:38:48,360 So we'll have a fun conversation over there and we'll keep the 1924 01:38:48,360 --> 01:38:50,800 the rookie focus going here on ship chasing. 1925 01:38:50,800 --> 01:38:54,680 Probably book a guest for next week and continue to dive into 1926 01:38:55,480 --> 01:38:58,080 what's shaping up to be a very fun class and a fun draft. 1927 01:38:58,480 --> 01:39:00,000 Thank you guys all for hanging out in the chat. 1928 01:39:00,280 --> 01:39:03,080 Make sure you guys are following Ray and Ron and Blair and all of 1929 01:39:03,080 --> 01:39:05,440 their stuff. Hit the the like and the 1930 01:39:05,440 --> 01:39:07,560 subscribe on your way out. We'll see you guys next Thursday 1931 01:39:07,560 --> 01:39:08,280 on ship chasing.